India v Pakistan, Asia Cup, Mirpur March 2, 2014

Karthik lets it slip again

Karthik Krishnaswamy in Mirpur
Dinesh Karthik has missed two important stumpings in two matches, and has lost his wicket at times when he could have helped India towards stronger totals
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Before bowling the fourth ball of his eighth over against Pakistan, R Ashwin waved to his fielders at deep backward square leg and deep midwicket. With a sweep of his right arm, Ashwin indicated he wanted both of them to move a few steps to their right.

Ashwin, bowling around the wicket, had clearly set his field for the sweep. It was obvious to anyone watching that he was going to shift to a leg-stump line. Sohaib Maqsood knew this, and it looked like he wanted to upset Ashwin's calculations when he tried to squirt the next ball - quick, full, on leg stump - down the ground in a slightly inside-out manner. Ashwin moved alertly to his left and stopped the ball.

Next ball, Maqsood jumped down the track. He had started too early, though, and Ashwin sent down a carrom ball wide of leg stump. Maqsood tried to flick, missed, and was stranded yards down the pitch. Behind him, the ball bounced off Dinesh Karthik's gloves.

The field change should have alerted Karthik that he might soon need to collect the ball down the leg side. He should not have been surprised by the carrom ball either. Ashwin had taken his first wicket with that delivery, bowling Sharjeel Khan through the gate.

With the match situation thrown in the mix, Karthik's error looked even more glaring. Chasing 246, Pakistan were 168 for 4 in the 38th over. The partnership between Maqsood and Mohammad Hafeez had just gone past 50. They added another 32 and took Pakistan to 200 before Ashwin dismissed Hafeez. Pakistan won by one wicket, in the last over, and it took two sixes in two balls from Shahid Afridi to get them home.   

In India's previous match, Karthik had missed a stumping when Kumar Sangakkara was on 30. He went on to make 103 and win the match for Sri Lanka. It was one of a series of errors the fielders made, and Virat Kohli, India's captain, spoke after the game of the need to play smarter cricket.

A part of his concern had been directed at India's batting too. Against Sri Lanka, they had slumped from 175 for 3 to 215 for 7, and Karthik had played one of the needless shots that had brought them to that situation.

Against Pakistan, Karthik walked in to bat with India on 103 for 4 in the 24th over, having lost Rohit Sharma and Ajinkya Rahane in the span of five overs. This was a big test for India's new middle order. For a while, it looked as though they were passing it, with Ambati Rayudu busy at one end and Karthik hanging in at the other.

Their partnership had just crossed 50 when Karthik moved to sweep Hafeez from outside off stump. The ball landed well short of sweeping length, and Karthik changed his stroke to an uncertain lap. The ball bounced a little extra, took the top-edge, and nestled into the hands of short fine leg.

It was a soft dismissal, and it came at a bad time for India. Yes, it was the batting Powerplay, after India had already lost four wickets. Their priority at that stage must have been to reach the 40-over mark without losing another. Karthik was out for a 46-ball 23.

India's squad at the Asia Cup is full of inexperienced players, and a large part of this inexperience is concentrated in the middle order. Karthik isn't inexperienced. He made his international debut nearly a decade ago. He has played 70 ODIs, and 23 Tests for good measure.

Karthik has had the misfortune of being a wicketkeeper-batsman in the MS Dhoni era, and it's meant he has seldom had a long run in the side. But the selectors have valued his talent enough to pick him as a specialist batsman in 47 ODIs and seven Tests. They have valued it so much that he has batted in the top five in 42 of his one-day innings, and has opened the batting 20 times.

Despite this, Karthik has an average of 27.48, a strike-rate of 73.15, seven half-centuries and a highest score of 79. It's fair to say he has rarely grabbed his chances.

From September 2009 to August 2010, he made double-digit scores in 17 straight ODI innings but only made two half-centuries. All but two of those 17 innings came as opener or at No. 3. He was dropped after scoring 9, 0 and 0 in the three innings that followed, and didn't play an ODI for nearly three years.

Karthik returned to the side for the Champions Trophy last year, on the back of some heavy scoring in first-class cricket and in the IPL. He showed ominous form in the warm-up games, scoring two hundreds, but reverted to type when the competitive games began. Replacing Yuvraj Singh, he scored two half-centuries in 12 innings over the course of three ODI tournaments, and was dropped once again.

Dhoni's side strain gave Karthik another opportunity, but he has let it slip in the most literal way possible, in two successive matches. As Afridi's match-winning six soared into the Mirpur sky, Dhoni's IPL franchise, Chennai Super Kings, pressed the send button on a tweet.  

"Do you think we missed Dhoni today as a captain / keeper / finisher? #missuMahi," it said.

Karthik Krishnaswamy is a senior sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY BrainsRam on | March 3, 2014, 5:36 GMT

    Yes. Karthik has let go the chances he has got to make an impact. Now, he can't blame anybody else but himself if the selectors look beyond him as a back-up keeping option.

    While the missed stumping made big impacts in both the matches, there are others also who dropped catches and played injudicious shots (like Rohit Sharma who was well set and threw it away). Karthik's errors get magnified because his skill is different.

    Again, there was no guarantee he was going to be in the team once Dhoni came back - but would have thought, he had a good chance in the Test level where I am sure Dhoni, sooner than later, will call it a day.

    Still, I would sign off saying - give him some more chances to gain in confidence and not judge him just by 1 or 2 bad performances. I had said the same thing about Binny whose confidence will also be down after getting dropped from the team.

    Amit Mishra has grabbed the rare chance he has got and it augurs well with competition for spinners.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 6, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    bring in Raina !! he's such an amazing prospect :)

  • POSTED BY TheLastJeed on | March 5, 2014, 12:07 GMT

    Wow. Its like being back to the Sri lankan tour where M & M Bamboozled the Indian line up. Pin the guy who made the most glaring mistake.

    Problem being he know people want him to make glaring mistakes so they can say "If Dhoni was there, he would caught the catch" while conveniently forgetting that Dhoni dropped sitters throughout last year. Ofcourse who want to take on Mighty Dhoni. Let pick the little guy.

    Dont wanna do a long drawn defense for Karthik. Simply put, if people had given him half the rope as given to Rohit or Vijay or even Raina, he would have done good. But why give the guy a long chance if it means a threat to Dhoni's position as Wicket-keeper.

    Karthik was sold for too much money and he will probably lead Daredevils in the IPL. Now who wanna bet that he will do much better than the last season? I would may be then people will notify how having confidence in a player can transform him.

    May be someone should petition the ICC to stop appointing Wicket-keepers as cap.

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    test matches dhawan vijay pujara kohli sehwag rahane dhoni jadeja vaaron uyadav mshami reserves mishra ozha wsaha gambhir isharma ipandey the spinners replace according to the wickets while the top eight can change for injuries and constant failures for one dayers dhawan pujara kohli rahane dhoni yuvraaj raina jadeja ipathan ashwin mshami on sub continent wickets on bouncyfast tracks bkumar r dhawan for one batsman one spinner the other players ipandey amishra sbinny rsharma in 20/20 dhawan ppatel kohli rahane dhoni yuvraaj raina ipathan jadeja ipandey mshami reserves yathan utthappa rdhawan rsharma ashwin

  • POSTED BY mk49_van on | March 5, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    Send the guy to oblivion - where he deserves to be.

  • POSTED BY rnkbornfree on | March 4, 2014, 19:21 GMT

    Instead of raydu pujara should be in the side , rohit sharma just waste and bcci is spending money on such players where other players who are performing in ranji are not even considered , another super hero r ashwin who is good for nothing , fine dk left stumping chance but nobody saw in next over when jadeja bowl ashwin dropped the catch though it was little tough for him as in in he a lazy and unfit player who cant dive, stop runs but if he would have taken that catch india might have won the game , fast bowling is waste , kamran khan where is he after ipl no one even bothered about that fine talent , yuvraj , gambhir ,shewag never got support from bcci and rohit sharma ashwin raydu just getting full support , and yes dhoni who wants chennai super kings to represent india the main culprit just a lucky man though he is good finisher but a very bad game player........

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    how sanju samson giving a chance lets c what has got for odi cricket

  • POSTED BY immi2711 on | March 4, 2014, 17:29 GMT

    Seriously!!! you guys are going to pin the loss to Karthik, Yes, an error was made, among other errors that day. Look, there were not enough runs on the board, simply, this game was lost before Pakistan started batting. Hell there was no hope untill the 20th over. With some good bowling and fielding India made a match of it. If anything, your top 4 batsmen failed to put on runs. You always new Jadeja could put on runs at the end. if India had batted with their head, this would have been diffrerent.....But please stop blaming Karthik...

  • POSTED BY arunsubbu on | March 4, 2014, 16:41 GMT

    DK was and never will be international material.its time selectors realised it.Why not groom a young keeper specially since dhoni seems to be a gonner after 2015 WC.We could try the keeper in such tounaments and who knows if dhoni get sinjured during WC he could take over.Almost every team has a backup keeper now..india doesnt and DK is not one

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2014, 14:47 GMT

    Below are the members of indian Team Sir Raydu who can't even touch Dale steyn ball Sir Ashwin who can only bowl only in India Sir Rohit who always throw his wicket Sir Sir Dhoni who keep playing same players even when they are not god enough in club level............

    Jadeja Much better player than the above. Make him as T20 Captain. India Lack Match Winners, there is only 2 at present (Dhoni & Kholi) Bowling dept very week that even afghan bowling line up is little bit better.

  • POSTED BY BrainsRam on | March 3, 2014, 5:36 GMT

    Yes. Karthik has let go the chances he has got to make an impact. Now, he can't blame anybody else but himself if the selectors look beyond him as a back-up keeping option.

    While the missed stumping made big impacts in both the matches, there are others also who dropped catches and played injudicious shots (like Rohit Sharma who was well set and threw it away). Karthik's errors get magnified because his skill is different.

    Again, there was no guarantee he was going to be in the team once Dhoni came back - but would have thought, he had a good chance in the Test level where I am sure Dhoni, sooner than later, will call it a day.

    Still, I would sign off saying - give him some more chances to gain in confidence and not judge him just by 1 or 2 bad performances. I had said the same thing about Binny whose confidence will also be down after getting dropped from the team.

    Amit Mishra has grabbed the rare chance he has got and it augurs well with competition for spinners.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 6, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    bring in Raina !! he's such an amazing prospect :)

  • POSTED BY TheLastJeed on | March 5, 2014, 12:07 GMT

    Wow. Its like being back to the Sri lankan tour where M & M Bamboozled the Indian line up. Pin the guy who made the most glaring mistake.

    Problem being he know people want him to make glaring mistakes so they can say "If Dhoni was there, he would caught the catch" while conveniently forgetting that Dhoni dropped sitters throughout last year. Ofcourse who want to take on Mighty Dhoni. Let pick the little guy.

    Dont wanna do a long drawn defense for Karthik. Simply put, if people had given him half the rope as given to Rohit or Vijay or even Raina, he would have done good. But why give the guy a long chance if it means a threat to Dhoni's position as Wicket-keeper.

    Karthik was sold for too much money and he will probably lead Daredevils in the IPL. Now who wanna bet that he will do much better than the last season? I would may be then people will notify how having confidence in a player can transform him.

    May be someone should petition the ICC to stop appointing Wicket-keepers as cap.

  • POSTED BY on | March 5, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    test matches dhawan vijay pujara kohli sehwag rahane dhoni jadeja vaaron uyadav mshami reserves mishra ozha wsaha gambhir isharma ipandey the spinners replace according to the wickets while the top eight can change for injuries and constant failures for one dayers dhawan pujara kohli rahane dhoni yuvraaj raina jadeja ipathan ashwin mshami on sub continent wickets on bouncyfast tracks bkumar r dhawan for one batsman one spinner the other players ipandey amishra sbinny rsharma in 20/20 dhawan ppatel kohli rahane dhoni yuvraaj raina ipathan jadeja ipandey mshami reserves yathan utthappa rdhawan rsharma ashwin

  • POSTED BY mk49_van on | March 5, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    Send the guy to oblivion - where he deserves to be.

  • POSTED BY rnkbornfree on | March 4, 2014, 19:21 GMT

    Instead of raydu pujara should be in the side , rohit sharma just waste and bcci is spending money on such players where other players who are performing in ranji are not even considered , another super hero r ashwin who is good for nothing , fine dk left stumping chance but nobody saw in next over when jadeja bowl ashwin dropped the catch though it was little tough for him as in in he a lazy and unfit player who cant dive, stop runs but if he would have taken that catch india might have won the game , fast bowling is waste , kamran khan where is he after ipl no one even bothered about that fine talent , yuvraj , gambhir ,shewag never got support from bcci and rohit sharma ashwin raydu just getting full support , and yes dhoni who wants chennai super kings to represent india the main culprit just a lucky man though he is good finisher but a very bad game player........

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    how sanju samson giving a chance lets c what has got for odi cricket

  • POSTED BY immi2711 on | March 4, 2014, 17:29 GMT

    Seriously!!! you guys are going to pin the loss to Karthik, Yes, an error was made, among other errors that day. Look, there were not enough runs on the board, simply, this game was lost before Pakistan started batting. Hell there was no hope untill the 20th over. With some good bowling and fielding India made a match of it. If anything, your top 4 batsmen failed to put on runs. You always new Jadeja could put on runs at the end. if India had batted with their head, this would have been diffrerent.....But please stop blaming Karthik...

  • POSTED BY arunsubbu on | March 4, 2014, 16:41 GMT

    DK was and never will be international material.its time selectors realised it.Why not groom a young keeper specially since dhoni seems to be a gonner after 2015 WC.We could try the keeper in such tounaments and who knows if dhoni get sinjured during WC he could take over.Almost every team has a backup keeper now..india doesnt and DK is not one

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2014, 14:47 GMT

    Below are the members of indian Team Sir Raydu who can't even touch Dale steyn ball Sir Ashwin who can only bowl only in India Sir Rohit who always throw his wicket Sir Sir Dhoni who keep playing same players even when they are not god enough in club level............

    Jadeja Much better player than the above. Make him as T20 Captain. India Lack Match Winners, there is only 2 at present (Dhoni & Kholi) Bowling dept very week that even afghan bowling line up is little bit better.

  • POSTED BY on | March 4, 2014, 7:01 GMT

    Dinesh Karthik the second highest paid ipl player for 2014 after Yuvi, should be stripped off from all forms of games that senior level indian national team plays. He is not just fit enough for the game. He missed many chances behind wickets and with bat. Bloody goose!

  • POSTED BY gr8-cricket on | March 4, 2014, 2:00 GMT

    Ok, DK can't just be blamed when Jadu dropped the catch against SL.

    I agree with BrainsRam. DK definitely needs be given chance again.

  • POSTED BY DCricket on | March 4, 2014, 0:48 GMT

    dinesh kartik should not be considered for national team. we should look for new talent rather than choosing him everytime dhoni is not around.

  • POSTED BY Witty365ca on | March 3, 2014, 22:40 GMT

    I do NOT want to name anyone here but how some poeple can think DK was better than Dhoni at one point in time. DK is NOT a thinking cricketer and many a times plays as if he is going thru the motions apart from his big lapses & errors. The previous match on the last ball of 50th over; when DK collected the ball with no run being taken, he aimed at the stumps as if 253 for 7 or 253/8 wd have made any difference to give an unnecessary overthrow in the end score being 254. Several instances in past where such errors that do NOT make absolute sense are made by DK which are unpardonable at international level. To be fair; all players make errors but one has to have cricketing brain and presence of mind on field to act according to what situation demands at a given point in time and DK just lacks that and is therefore no match to Dhoni by any yardstick in wicketkeeping or death period batting skills. Sorry to see that we do not have a good future replacement for Dhoni in the youngsters.

  • POSTED BY timepass2014 on | March 3, 2014, 20:25 GMT

    Problem with most of our modern talented batsman cricketers is that they somehow hate to grind it out. They just think that their way out of these kinda sitiuation is to hit out. This may work on occassions but more often it will not. The sooner they learn the better. Plus our bowlers, when will they learn, in crunch time they have to go straight and full or quick and short depending upon the batsman facing. It didnt make any cricketing sense going good length to tailenders/bowlers cos even they can tonk that ball out of the park and you don't need a good batsman to do that at end overs.

  • POSTED BY BigINDFan on | March 3, 2014, 20:00 GMT

    MSD is the captain of the IND team and you do not have to sell his profile. Let him show results overseas before you send out the twitter. DK lacks confidence becoz he knows he will not get a sure place in the team. So bring in a young player and let him use the opportunities. Kohli is wild and does not talk correctly about other teams but he is a great performer and has that energy to push his players. Ganguly was like that and he did wonders. Pujara needs to open the innings in place of Rohit and Rohit should play in the middle order. Rohit is good against spin and can score quickly. Mishra should be in as the top spinner and Ashwin and Jadeja needs to be rotated. Pandey can be tried in place of Shami or even as a 3rd seamer.

    MSD needs to be out as the captain in ODIs and T20s. He should focus on improving his Test record.

  • POSTED BY basusri133b on | March 3, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    It is critical that we need find a young 2nd Keeper for the Indian team. Preferably from the young under nineteen team. This person should be judiciously groomed, trained and given adequate chances to play in Tests & ODI's. For the next game against Afganistan, Karthik should be dropped & Rayadu should keep wickets. Pujara could be brought in to strengthen the batting. Rayudu could hardly do worse than Karthik. Jadeja should bat higher up. Pandey should play instead of Bhuveneswar.

  • POSTED BY Noni on | March 3, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    I have been a DK supporter for a long time. 5 years back DK was considered much better keeper than MSD.What happens is that confidence of being a captain and senior most in the team gives Dhoni the edge. He has improved in keeping too than what he was to begin with. Its not that Shoni does not miss stumpings and catches of spinner, in fact he has missed some in the last two series but we let those go because we know at times he has done really good too plus there is no better finisher in the world compared to Dhoni. In a year if he misses 2-3 catches or 2-3 stumpings he can easily be unnoticed. At this point we should be little bit soft towards DK because there are good phases and bad phases, good days and bad days. He might be on the wrong ones. Also the recent 12 Cr Auction at IPL might have made him behave like stylish at least by trying to do that stumping of Sangha which a part timer would have done simply following the normal way of stumping. DK should play Tests before Onedays

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 16:42 GMT

    DK did one great thing. He was giving instructions in Tamil when Ashwin was bowling so that no body could understand, as these words were audible in the stump mike. Great idea but only that and nothing else to prove, He should shun his cavaliar and efforvesent ways of keeping. SANGA stumping was much easier had he not made abackhanded attempt. Rayudu as Wk, Pujara in for DK, Pandy in place of Shami. If you are not going to try your bench strength at least against Afganisatan, when else. Now is the time as our chances of final are almost gone

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 16:23 GMT

    i'm surprised that only one person has mentioned Wriddhiman Saha as a back up wicketkeeper-batsman for Dhoni.This probably shows that, regardless of other factors, one needs a Godfather to be included in the Indian team! But then who is DK's Godfather?It is a matter of concern that that our cricketing world is not addressing the issue of grooming wicket keepers for the short term/long term future.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    All we can do is wish the selectors do this and do that..I am not sure why Pujara is not in the playing XI. Looks like all the cricket experts are saying the same thing. Yuvraj / Rohit cold be alternated as needed. Both are inconsistent at this point. I think Ghambir is not in the kind of form that can get him back. Raina is a consistent flop, I see it very hard (read only Dhoni's arrogance) can get him back to the playing XI. I really wish Pujara is played consistently in the first down / second down and he cements the middle order.

  • POSTED BY fairfan70 on | March 3, 2014, 15:59 GMT

    This very ordinary Indian team now has a poor wicket keeper too in Dinesh Karthik (Dhoni's wicket keeping is also average at best). This team now is not strong in any area of the game, but of course nothing to worry - all of them are guaranteed fat pay cheques in the upcoming IPL.

  • POSTED BY Temuzin on | March 3, 2014, 15:53 GMT

    Ramkumar Sanmugam: Forget Dhoni, even Kohli did not select ishwar Pandey and Umesh. Do you know the reason? because pandey, umesh and varun were/ are not impressing team management and captain in the nets. Look what happened with Varun, he was brought in and gave away over 70 runs in 7 overs and captain had to remove him from bowling. So no one should be just selected because he is in the squad. If they bolw/bat great in the nets during practice matches they will be selected.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 15:53 GMT

    I have been a Karthik Supporter-but time to give other keepers a chance especially if it is test spot we are talking about. Saha is a better keeper and not as cavalier as Karthik has been with his opportunities. I still have reservations about Rohit and Rahane in the one day set up. Maybe for the game against Afganistan Pandey could be tried and give Pujara a chance

  • POSTED BY Temuzin on | March 3, 2014, 15:47 GMT

    Karthik's problem is that he is replacement of Great MSD which he cant match neither in keeping nor in batting. Any body thought that any one currently in India can replace MSD is living in illusion. Groom Sanju Samson as understudy of Dhoni and when time comes Samson will be able to replace MSD.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    Give a chance to young Samson who can keep and bat. He is a motivated young player who can get into the team so quickly. Give this young man a chance.

  • POSTED BY AsherCA on | March 3, 2014, 15:17 GMT

    If the quality of keeping that Karthik provided is acceptable, Kohli should have asked Rayadu to keep wickets & brought in Pujara. Ask Pujara to open & move Sharma back to 6.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 13:51 GMT

    It is sad to note that there are still people supporting to give DK more chances, why these blind DK lovers are not thinking about Wriddiman Saha, arguably best keeper and one of the best batsman in Domestic Cricket, Selectors, please give Saha some chance, DK is not a good ODI cricketer, despite his overconfidence look in his face...

  • POSTED BY DangerousDevils on | March 3, 2014, 13:28 GMT

    Frankly speaking. I miss MAhi more for his keeping and Death over batting than his Captaining.... MSD does some great stumpings and he rarely misses. Karthik is the other way around.... He takes some breath taking catches and brilliant stumpings and missess pretty easy and simple ones...

    We need someone who is very stable behind the stumps... Even if he doesn't take some breath taking stumps..... We need to find some one stable after MSD behind the stumps..

  • POSTED BY premendrasinghal on | March 3, 2014, 13:19 GMT

    Why not India went in for Rayudu as a Keeper and Pujara as complete batsman. That could have given some solidarity and sensibility in batting. That could have supported Kohli a lot. As we have seen not a single team has crossed 300 mark. That is just due to slow opening or a major collapse in slog in all teams. None of the team had batted sensibly for whole inning in any match even though the pitch were very supportive for batting. But I feel there is some improvement in Indian bowling unit. May a comeback of Dhoni and Raina will improve the batting too. In batting we are definitely missing some responsible players like Gamhir & Pujara and fire power like Yuvraj and Raina.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    I have one thing to point out at. If you saw the way Kohli reacted when they got Saeed Ajmal Out. Kohli was roaring & staring at Saeed Ajmal as if he is some premature street cricketer. For God's sake you are a Captain, be responsible & act like a Mature. If the bowler who took the wicket would have done that, then I wouldn't mind but you are the Captain. I mean I never seen Dhoni doing this or Misbah, because they are mature Gentlemen !! Grow up Kohli !! (courtesy @Amjad Khan)

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 12:33 GMT

    it is a joke that DK was considered a replacement for the great MSD. Where is Mohinder Amarnath who wanted to make him the first choice keeper in all formats? This whole asia cup was lost because of Kartik. He missed easy and crucial chances twice, failed with the bat twice, proves he cannot perform under pressure. Just calling himself DK after winning the IPL lottery does not make him a brand name. He should be sent back to Ranji trophy to spend his last days in peace there.

    Cricinfo, please publish.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 12:27 GMT

    where are uday kaul , cm gautam , aditya taare ....consistent domestic performers

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 11:52 GMT

    It is a matter of sheer surprise that the selectors do believe in the talent of Karthik but Karthik does not.Karthik missed a stumping chance of Sanga when he was batting on just 37.It was so expensive that in the end India lost not to Srilanka but to Sanga.Sanga hammered 103 in the match.Karthik also missed a stumping chance against Pakistan against Shoaib Maqsud. Now if we discuss the batting performance, it is so dismal that it is not worth mentioning.So it is clear to all the supporters that Karthik is fit neither for batting nor for keeping. Selectors should justify their decision to give him a chance at the cost of ignoring the emerging wicket keeper batsman during the absence of Dhoni.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    I think DK's performance in Bangladesh, has again bailed out MSD, after the 0-4 and 0-1 drubbing we got in NZ recently. Everybody wanted MSD to go after the NZ series, we saw what happen when MSD does not play. Lets accept the fact that the No.1 rankings which MSD achieved for 2 years in Tests and 1 year in ODIs as Captain, cannot be taken away from him. Also the two World Cup wins, Champions Trophy as India Captain, two IPL and Champions League as CSK Captain cannot be taken away from him. He has achieved all that any other Indian player could have aspired for, so lets bear him out till the next T20 world Cup, next 50 overs World Cup as do not have better alternates. The people who propose alternates to stay alive in news channels guest lists also knows this. He is also the only Indian Captain to have drawn Test Series in SA,SL won in NZ,WI,Ban, never captained against Pak,Zim, only trophies he has not held are Test Series in Aus and Eng. Come on MSD, we still have faith in you

  • POSTED BY Man_from_Mountains on | March 3, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    @BrainsRam : Due to these 2 bad performances India has crashed out of Asia Cup. If Karthik has kept well India could win the matches against Srilanka & Pakistan. @stormy16: He is best only in IPL. He is not a neither a quality batsman nor a good keeper. It would be better if we nurture likes of Sanju Samsom or Shah. It time to move on now. One more thing which is hurting Indian cricket that is zonal based selection. I don't know who is the selector for South Zone but in my opinion Stuart Binny & Dinesh Kartikh do not deserve to be in this Indian team. One is a club level batsman and bowler where as other is a club level wicketkeeper. Kindly play a genuine opener instead of Rohit Sharma & let him play in the middle order freely. His career is under scanner now and that is more because of Dhoni's liking of Raina more than him. Whenever India lost 2 or 3 quick wickets, Dhoni always sent him before Raina to bat and he failed miserable. And when India got to a good start, Raina is preffered

  • POSTED BY Dielo on | March 3, 2014, 9:55 GMT

    Wicket keeping skills-wise, I always liked him and thought he was leagues ahead of Dhoni. Felt bad about him getting left out in the Dhoni era, but whenever he got the rare chance to establish his place (like the 2008 India tour of Sri Lanka which Dhoni stood down from to rest), he made an absolute mess of it.

    His defining moment on that tour was fumbling and dropping the ball when Kumble threw it to him after a change of overs. This after grassing everything else during that series.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 9:25 GMT

    I would suggest that we should start looking beyond parthiv and dinesh . Sanju samson is a right choice. He should be under the guidance of dhoni and i believe that he is a natural talent with bat and gloves both. His performance in under 19 world cup, in domestic circuit and IPL has been great and he looks to me successor of Dhoni.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 9:12 GMT

    I hope DK fans now realize that his 'keeping is not as good as they think and his batting is IPL class, but probably not international class. Of course, i would love to eat my words if DK proves me wrong. He's a nice, plucky player but he's got too many chances and he's not taking them. However, the calls asking for DK to replace MSD in all forms of game should now stop. DK was agile when he started but his 'keeping has dipped a lot. I still remember that 2008(?) series in SL where DK kept for 2 & PP for the 3rd. And, frankly, both were horrible which allowed MSD to take back his test spot, which was not sealed till then. MSD has been a very safe 'keeper in tests. For tests, Saha has to be the backup 'keeper and i sincerely hope he replaces MSD post his retirement. Saha is a very natural 'keeper and a handy bat. For ODIs, it could be a fight among DK, Ojha and Samson (once ready). But he must have good 'keeping skills. No point making quick 40 odd when you miss chances like DK's misses

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 8:53 GMT

    DK is surely at fault but should we not look at larger picture in the story? He was a very good keeper when he first rose on the horizon but slowly his keeping skills are diminishing and same thing is happening to Parthiv. Both have polished their batting skills over the years but not paid as much attention to keeping. Other keepes in 1st class circuit are also not much different. Why are we seeing this pattern? Is it because of Dhoni with whom they are always compared? Is it because they grew up watching Gilchrist? Or is it effect of T20 & IPL where a batsman-keeper gets millions but genuine keeper can go unsold? Same for bowlers n all-rounders, as we see now, all mediocre, no genuine world class talent. In T20, its enough to be bits & pieces all-rounders. Don't expect Kapil, Botham, Imran from this set-up, not even Flintoff. Stuart Binny is current best??? Big joke! India team reminds me of England in Adam Hollioke times, all bits & pieces, no genuine all-rounder. Wake up India!

  • POSTED BY ThePacifist10 on | March 3, 2014, 8:52 GMT

    Karthik is probably one of the world's worst wicketkeeping batsmen. Uthappa is probably better than him! No wonder that Karthik is Mr. Replacement. He has, however, lost the right to bear that tag. Time to find a new replacement wicketkeeper. His performance doesn't justify the 12 crores that were spent on him, as well as the central contract he received. Time to DROP DK.

  • POSTED BY timtom on | March 3, 2014, 8:37 GMT

    Exactly my thoughts. As a batsman alone he is very good and added to that better keeping skills than MSD both of which fails on international arena. He has been with the side for a long time so cannot really complain for not having chances. Also has the knack to mock or irritate fellow team members in interviews right from the early days with as recently as his observation on indian ODI loss in NZ.. He will remain in the sidelines..

  • POSTED BY himanshu.team on | March 3, 2014, 8:36 GMT

    I know people love to critisize people who are at the top, but surely we don't have better keeper+batsmen combination than Dhoni at present. He too misses an odd chance here or there, but is generally good behind the stumps. All that Dhoni needs to do is become more adventurous than he currently is. I would look at the positive and say our bowlers are improving. But we can not replace Dhoni just yet. for future, my hopes lie on Sanju Samson. I do hope that one year down the line he is the natural successor to Dhoni.

  • POSTED BY Khan_Ji on | March 3, 2014, 8:04 GMT

    One loss and so much of blame? Where is MS Dhoni? Let DK save his face after all he has delivered in the past. Would be a reciprocation for his contributions

  • POSTED BY stormy16 on | March 3, 2014, 7:35 GMT

    The question for India is - is DK the best keeper in India? If he is playing because of his batting there will be a price to pay for not playing the best keeper. You cant balme DK for that but if he is been played as a batter who can keep there will be a cost.

  • POSTED BY SamRoy on | March 3, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    Yesterday I read a funny comment on Cricinfo saying that Karthik used to be a good keeper cum batsman before surprisingly losing the backup keeper's slot in away tests to Saha. Well people are forgetful. Remember how Karthik dropped about 20 chances and ruined India's chances of winning 2008 test series in Sri Lanka. In the final test in that series he was replaced by Parthiv Patel who also dropped a dozen chances. In test matches you want decent keepers (not Mr. Butter Fingers like Karthik and Parthiv). Saha is a decent one, though for me, Dishant Yagnik is the best keeper in the country.

  • POSTED BY baskar_guha on | March 3, 2014, 7:20 GMT

    Karthik may have been better earlier in his career but he is past his prime and it is showing. His skills and temperament are just not good enough. Time to get a young batting wicket keeper who has an upside once Dhoni retires from any of the formats which could be sooner than later.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 7:08 GMT

    I am not supporting Karthik. But it's not simply that stump miss which caused this result. Even it was not that stump which caused SL won...

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 6:53 GMT

    Groom Samson n Kuldeep as early as possible for WC 2015. I m sure they won't disappoint like some others in IND team.

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | March 3, 2014, 6:49 GMT

    No need to blame Karthik for the loss. But he contributed to it. His keeping abilities were questionable from day one. But he was in the team as a batsman several times. Now, he got a chance in batting and keeping - but he failed in both. It is not fair to give that much chance to such a player again and again. Better to give some chances to youngsters like Sanju Samson.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | March 3, 2014, 6:29 GMT

    MUST ADMIT - I was one fan who backed Karthik to be included. He has just not justified his position in the team. Even when brought in as a pure batsman. My only hope is that team India comes up stronger from these recent losses. Defeat can help build character or show who are tough. India lacks big hitters when Dhoni is not there. Raina, Yuvi and Yusaf Pathan - need to be part of ODI team with fielding in mind as well.

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | March 3, 2014, 6:29 GMT

    It looks like the writer doesn't like his name used by somebody else. So, he hates Karthik. I am also starting to hate the guy a bit. But, definitely, his stumping fluff in this match didn't cost India the match. Because, other batsmen plays differently if the wickets fall early. I am sure everybody will agree if I said Rayudu only scored his fifty because India lost early wickets. If he came in at 40th over, when India is 300 plus, he may have been out cheap. Sangakkara miss was a big one. But, this one didn't matter in the end. It was the poor captaincy at the 50th over is what cost the match for India. When the 9th wicket fell, India lost the plot and thought they have already won. The job was yet to be done. They should have applied pressure to the number 11 who was sure to be looking for a single. You should try your best to not give strike to Afridi, who is a marauder of International bowling, spin and pace alike. The guy is the most aggressive batsman ever to play cricket.

  • POSTED BY we1234 on | March 3, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    please give one more chance to DK to retire from inter national cricket !

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 3, 2014, 6:07 GMT

    It's really one sided article from karthik on karthik. He is not alone the reason for the loss.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    D.K. got his opportunity even before Dhoni and could have cemented his place had his keeping has helped. He does not have good technique and as a result, Dhoni grabbed the opportunity and shut the door for others. Very rarely Dhoni skips matches, so Karthik should have at least scored some big runs. He has failed and that is it. From here on, Samson will be watched with great interest.

  • POSTED BY casimpk on | March 3, 2014, 5:53 GMT

    Jadeja was given not out ( which was plumb lbw) & he was dropped by hafeez, he went on to make 50! & not to forget the not out given to ashwin. India would have been bowled out for under 200 if these things hadn't happened, so be thankful that India was able to post 245! - we can make excuses as well.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:52 GMT

    Took Ishwar Pandey as an example. He was choose as a fast blower for test and odi against New Zealand. He didn't play a single match there. Even though Shami has been gone for 60 and 70 runs in Odi's , Pandey and Umesh Yadhav didn't get a single chance to play. Dhoni didn't have faith in our main bowlers and use part timers to give easy runs to the oppositions. Even though we lost the match to Pakistan we must salute our Captain Kholi to give full 10 over to our main bowler and have faith in them. I think that to his continuous failuer to win matches for India and to protect his place in the India Team, Dhoni already knows that Indian can't win Asia cup with this team . So he voluntarily removed himself from the Indian team by telling a reason called "INJURY" . If India needs to win world cup Dhoni must be removed from the captaincy, wicket keeper and Kholi should be crowned. What would India do if Dhoni got a real injury during the World cup. He can be in the Indian team as a batsmen

  • POSTED BY crick_wizard on | March 3, 2014, 5:44 GMT

    karthik just does not have the temperment / game to build a long innings..always he plays a few good shots, get off to a start and then throws his wicket away..same applies even in t20s as well..thats why i could not believe it when I saw DD buying him for 10.5 crores..I also cannot believe that yuvraj is not playing..its always puzzling for me when they say that youngsters need to be selected..does not mean every team member should be in 20s...yuvrai is only 32 and has atleast 2-3 years of cricket left in him..

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:41 GMT

    Well, there is one thing very clear about India's loss. Yuvraj Singh is sorely missed. Its not the loss during the past few matches that prompts me to say this. Its the manner in which our middle order misses the power hitting capability of Yuvraj and his outrageous talent. True, his failures have been more than well documented, but one cannot ignore the singlehanded manner in which he won the last world cup. He is a true match winner and his presence changes the attitude of the opponents. His sheer ability to transform defensive situations to offense. Critical that the India brings back his power hitting feature into the middle order. As for Pakistan, well played and the current bowling attack is doing an excellent job.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:35 GMT

    enough of dinesh karthik..time for sanju samson...!!! time is nup for bhuvanesh kumar too...he is not looking fit enough to play... Only bright spot from this asia cup is rayadu ,that too not very convincing thou... Time for gambhir to get bac ino the team. I would want rohit sharma to play in iddle order.

    My team to go forward from here at least till world cup.

    Gambhir/rahane, dhawan, Kohli, Yuvraj , Raina/rayadu/rohit, dhoni, jadeja, ashwin/mishra , shami, umesh, aaron,

    younsters : sanju samson-middle order and keeper ,unmukt chand -opener, kuldeep yadav -spinner , baba aparajit-middle order.

    Please suggest if there are anymore such talents.

  • POSTED BY VPSrivastava on | March 3, 2014, 5:33 GMT

    Neither Dinesh Karthik, nor Rohit Sharma and nor Ishant Sharma has temperament to play consistentently at the top. Rohit Sharma too, time and again failed to prolong his innings after getting initial start. Ishant Sharma more often than not gets so much hammering that we too sympathizes with him sometimes. The least selectors can do is to leave them out from team and save them from getting more embarrassed.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:31 GMT

    Don't blame Karthik for the loss. He was not the wicket keeper for India for the past one year. He was on his return to India team. If you give Dhoni a break of 4 to 6 months he will also do the same thing. India lost matches due to poor captaincy,tactics and strategy by our captain Dhoni. But no one has blamed him for the loss. In press conference he simply says that bowlers failed, batsmen doesn't score runs, fielding should be improved, but no remedy has been taken. In the last Australian tour Dhoni makes rotation policy for the opener(sachin, sehwag and gambhir) to give youngster chance to play in fast pitches, but how many of those youngster present in that team are now playing for India. India lost some many talented peoples due to Dhoni. He is the main reason. A new batsmen or bowler selected for Indian team based on his National form.Although if he was selected for the team, he was not given a single chance to be selected in the playing team. I will continue in the next post

  • POSTED BY AravindVatsal82 on | March 3, 2014, 5:30 GMT

    Its karthik calling karthik;;;shows its so impt to have focus as keeper has to watchfull what bowler is trying to do,unfortunate keeper did'nt read the carrom ball twice when ashwin foxed sanga would have changed result to india's favour & against when masqood vs pak,for me karthik looks low on confidence,even when he is batting its unclear what his role is,gave away wkt vs srl & taking all the time in the world just to play a shot of high risk in the air when pak spinners were in total control.its just overdose of 20-20 which change the mental state of plys & this is 1 example,its very surprising for not showing up in dhoni;s absence,kartk chances looks grim bec as dhoni has good 2~3yrs atleast in 1day / t20 is this the end of road for krtk ,,,,,,

  • POSTED BY SanjivAwesome on | March 3, 2014, 5:28 GMT

    Karthik is a long list of average India cricketers who will never normally get picked by the real top-3 - SA, Austrlia and NZ

  • POSTED BY ssenthil on | March 3, 2014, 5:24 GMT

    The fact remains same. India don't have a 2nd best W/K batsman in India after Dhoni. People asking Sanju Samson as W/K batsman are not clearly the followers of the game. He doesn't keep wickets for ODI or FC. He is like the A Rayadu who can keep wickets for T-20 game, where this kind of often mistakes doesn't cost the team much unlike in ODI and Tests and having said that Dhoni too misses a opportunity almost every match but what in turn happens they don't go on hurt India, so our quick memory loss Indian fans forgetting those. I think W Saha is the best W/K we have now but I would never count on him to score runs as a W/K batsman. I think DK had enough chances to Axe him permanently. NEVER EVER again please. This kind of losses really hurts every fan. It's strange that with 27 Ranji teams we don't have a decent 2nd best W/K batsman. The likes of P Patel, W Saha, DK, N Ojha who are tried in the recent times are not inspiring. Time for a new W/K batsman to broke out. But who?

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:14 GMT

    bring sanju,,,he is just 19 and he can gain experience over time, and his character is cool like msd..he is a good batsman and can play shots all around the ground..atleast make him as back up. he has shown his mettle while playing ipl.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 5:03 GMT

    Article is good but it says Karthik was given chances to play 47 ODI's. What about Rohit sharma and Ishant Sharma? They were given chances just by saying they are talented and not because of their performance. Both of them played more than 100 ODI's on test basis for India.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 4:56 GMT

    For Indians 2014 year so far is a mere story of dropped catches. Brandum Mucculam, Sangakara & now Maksud. VK & DK are the culprits. And all these catches costs Test series & Asia Cup. VK services as he is settled player but DK may cost his spot now.

  • POSTED BY job_eapen on | March 3, 2014, 4:50 GMT

    It's not understandable why the selectors are persisting with guys who are under performing when the chances are given... In all the matches in the Asia Cup , India could have used Ambati Rayudu as the wicket keeper and going in with a specialist batsman like Pujara in the middle order whose experience would have given some stability to the team rather than DK , who doesn't know how to bat , let alone be a keeper-batsman..

  • POSTED BY siddhartha87 on | March 3, 2014, 4:50 GMT

    Despite MS Dhoni being one of the greatest ODI batsman ever some people keeps on shouting to include "technically sound" DK in tests. DK had lots of opportunity in tests as well and he was a complete failure as well

  • POSTED BY sundoo on | March 3, 2014, 4:47 GMT

    D.Karthic does not temperamentally suit the needs of Indian team. He is avery agile and bubbly player but thats all one could say about him.Plays always thoughtless shots ,his glove work is always patchy and perhaps he lacks in mental skills.He should not be in the team having flunked all his chances so far .With Rohit sharma he could play in Ranji matches or in IPL only .Wridhman Shah or even Parthiv Ptel is better .

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 4:45 GMT

    the selectors made a huge mistake by selecting DK as wicket keeper batsman it should have been Saha who is more of a regular keeper than DK... DK maybe a good batsman but as a keeper i wouldnt give him the gloves wen we have more regular keepers... yes his fumble in both the matches caused us the game and also his batting he doesnt know how to grab the chances that are given to him.... he should learn that from Rayudu he grabbed his chance with both hands and played well for his 50.. and also i didnt like kholi's field setting in the first 10 overs... buvi should bowl over the wicket for lefties he will go for runs in that angle but the chance of getting a breakthrough is high and that is wer the first mistake begin... and then that fumble by DK but the credits should be give to four ppl in bowling the 3 spinners even though jaddu was expensive his maiden build the pressuer and kholi used them well.... now atleast MS will rethink and will include mishra atleast in few games

  • POSTED BY joseyesu on | March 3, 2014, 4:22 GMT

    Agree that Sangakara, and Maqsood wickets are crucial and the Karthick should have taken that, but that could not be the reason for the loss.

  • POSTED BY nkoch on | March 3, 2014, 4:02 GMT

    Karthik is not a natural keeper and not good enough at international level. Saha should be Dhoni's backup for ODIs and T20s

  • POSTED BY Alexk400 on | March 3, 2014, 3:57 GMT

    Dinesh karthick has all the skills in the book. He can play spectacular shots. And then he out so badly you wonder why its happening to him again and again. His fidgity is not helping. he makes poor choice for spectacular shots. I think he has timing problem. he needs to learn to grind grind. He is kinda like golf amateur. In that amateur always trying something new. Never satisfied with what they got. Always learning. But pro always know this is the end and now make money of what i know. I think DK needs to learn to be pro. Sachin counter every run as 1000dollar in pocket. hahaha. if sachin can graft runs , why not DK. I always liked him when he play big shots when it come thru. But he plays too many cute shot and gets out. Wonder whats going on his mind. Most skilled batsman in indian team except kohli. That does n't mean anything if you can't score century every other inning. its kinda tragic.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 3:41 GMT

    we did miss dhoni's keeping skills & his finishing skills.. but not his captaincy.. I'm really impressed with Kohli's captaincy, though it took a slight toll on his batting.. He TRUSTS his bowlers, not like MSD.. Anyone out there, do you think dhoni would've ggiven amit mishra a chance????? I dont think so.. He likes to stick to his team.. So, in short, we missed Dhoni THE FINISHER & Dhoni THE KEEPER.. but not Dhoni the CAPTAIN.. PS: I still don't think Kohli can take the load of captain & pillar of India's batting...

  • POSTED BY truebleue_cricfan on | March 3, 2014, 3:38 GMT

    Well, we have a certain Rohit Sharma in the team who seems to do exactly what kartik is doing now. Fail more often than he succeeds. As for backup keepers, I think Wriddhiman saha needs to be playing. His keeping is excellent and is quite good with the bat too.

  • POSTED BY SANATP22 on | March 3, 2014, 3:32 GMT

    Sanju Samson is better wicketkeeper & batman than Dinesh Karthick. Both game again Srilanka & Pak, loss stumping chance cost India match. Middle order is too weak, its time to find new faces in middle order like Abhishek Nayar,Mayank Agarwal,Gurkeet Mann & Parveez Rasol.

  • POSTED BY anupgcochin on | March 3, 2014, 3:30 GMT

    whist is happening in this team selection... it is taking back to the scary batting order which we had in the 90s sachin, ganguly, dravid then..... please include more attacking players in ODI's bring back sehwag, yusuf pathan. irfan pathan, yuvraj, raina.. selectors open your eyes.... Team... sehwag. dhawan, kohli, rohit, yuvraj, raina, dhoni, jadeja, yusuf pathan, shami, ifran pathan...

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 3:22 GMT

    @agent001I agree with you to some extent. But when he's repeating the same mistake again then there's some problem with him. A wicket keeper should be concentrated, and should have the ability to judge the ball.. But Karthik doesn't moved his body quickly and it cost the stumping...

    So,blaming him for the loss in this match I back that one.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 3:21 GMT

    No point in blaming for not getting an opportunity, as Dinesh Karthik has thrown this golden opportunity. Both his batting and wicket keeping skills are a big question mark at this level. Would have been a wise decision to allow Rayudu to keep wickets and have Cheteshwar Pujara or another bowler. Over all Karthik has pushed India out of the Asia cup.

  • POSTED BY sanjayasenewirathne on | March 3, 2014, 3:17 GMT

    Actually Sri lanka beat Australia in that match in 2011-12 tri-series and kick india out. I cant understand the reason for his lie. And india have no chances in this asia cup too. check rules for 2 teams with same number of wins. bonus point or net run rate aren't matter in that kind of situations. Little bit surprise even Cricinfo staff didn't know that. His tactics are same as dhoni, you can call it defensive or smart. But he really needs to work on his emotions in celebration of wicket. If your just a another player that might be OK, But when your Captaining your national side you should not insult other players. And he need to give some credit to winning team as well @ PMC

  • POSTED BY the_blaster on | March 3, 2014, 3:12 GMT

    Im not a huge fan of Karthiks, but the writer makes it seem like he was the sole reason for India losing. Yes, he contributed, but so did the sub par bowling, batting, and fielding.

    MSD is certainly India best wk/bat in the shorter forms of the game, but not in tests.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 3:02 GMT

    Why not the management try rayudu as a keeper. He is not going to miss more than kartik. This will give place for an extra bowler as well

  • POSTED BY sajid7137 on | March 3, 2014, 2:54 GMT

    Kohli scored only five runs before he was caught behind off Umar Gul. In his last Asia Cup match against Pakistan Kohli had scored 183 runs off 148 balls to chase down a target of 330. Excluding that match, from eight innings, Kohli has managed to score just 83 runs at 11.86 against Pakistan in ODIs. That says that he is Pakistan's bunny.

  • POSTED BY Sangeeth11 on | March 3, 2014, 2:52 GMT

    I dont think Dhoni was missed as Captain! I felt Virat did Captainship better than expected.. He was not stereotypical as Dhoni would be. He was ready to take risks and think Out of Box - a very good trait for a learning captain. But Dhoni as a Keeper and Finisher? Of course - who is better finisher than him in India?

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 2:48 GMT

    its was Indias match to win even with thier flop batting. I like both teams, both have world class players but Pakistan wins in pace bowling department. @ Varuna-Bhushana , Kholi isn't overrated he is simply the next best after Dhoni. Afridi is overrated. India vs Pak games are usually hard fought games so this game was great to watch.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 2:47 GMT

    Parthiv patel should be a better choice to DK....PP is a very useful keeper and can open the innings as well...Shikhar and DK should be axed...Bring in Parthiv for SD and Dhoni would eventually come back in place of DK...

  • POSTED BY Guduji71 on | March 3, 2014, 2:39 GMT

    You have to be fair with D Karthik. A player who only plays as a replacement and gets opportunities only, occasionally is tend to make more mistakes, than others. He is a very good player but unfortunately, India has destroyed his skills by not selecting him enough. Don't compare his with Dhoni who has no pressure of loosing his spot in the team. Let us assume for a minute that Dhoni was in place of Karthik I think Dhoni would have been the worst. I still believe D Kartik is far batter player than what he has shown but he needs confidence and he will be as good as Dhoni. Please be realistic.

  • POSTED BY doubleyukes on | March 3, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    Why not Saha we need a specialist wicket keeper hes the best now?

  • POSTED BY Basuz333 on | March 3, 2014, 1:47 GMT

    Sanju Samson is emerging player...he should be groomed...for future batsmen and wicketkeeper as well..after Dhoni retires...DK has been given enough opportunities both as a batsmen and wicketkeeper.No need to back him up again as we have seen him enough of him for the last 10 years.Dhoni captaincy is smowhat confued,he created Sir Jaddu...who with every match is improving but some what didnt given chance to Shami and now Amit Misra...see what d difference atleast they can make...similarly Varun should be groomed for test as well...as he can be handy in pacy conditions in overseas...Ambayati Raddu though not clean striker but can rotate the strike...with Yuvraj n dhoni in 20 -20 wc back for middle order...n misra with third spinner...watch out other teams...India is to be reckoned with in world cup...coz of conditions favoring them.

  • POSTED BY on | March 3, 2014, 1:39 GMT

    bring sanjusamson and make him grow

  • POSTED BY Humdingers on | March 3, 2014, 1:25 GMT

    India missed Dhoni the Keeper NOT Dhoni the captain. Mishra would never have got a game with Dhoni there. In the last over, they should have kept Juniad on strike instead of giving him and easy single.

  • POSTED BY electric_loco_WAP4 on | March 3, 2014, 1:24 GMT

    Unfair criticism of Ind's best w/k-Karthik-for 1 or 2 v diff. missed stumpings.If it was the mediocre Dhoni he would barely have got hand on those.Look at rate @ which Dhoni has messed c/s in these past games.Also DK has proved he's better bat/wk in IPL.

  • POSTED BY prasanna_79 on | March 3, 2014, 1:03 GMT

    Dk, parthiv & saha are all very unlucky to be playing in the same era of dhoni.. Undoubtedly dhoni is the best WK batsman India have in the ODI format.. But his captaincy in both ODIs n tests are very very ordinary to say the least.., with such a talented Amit Mishra regularly benched to play his favourite players.., being one example of his captaincy.. Also see how virat has managed to get a better performance from the same set of bowlers who were consistently giving away 300 plus scores., albeit in subcontinental conditions.. Credit to Virat for his excellent captaincy n attacking field placing as well..

  • POSTED BY street_smart on | March 3, 2014, 0:31 GMT

    Some people are making wrong comments that DK is the best WK in domestic circuits. He may be the best WK batsman but not a good keeper. Saha is far better keeper than DK & also has a gr8 batting avg in domestic circuit. He is already backup keeper in test. Why not play him in ODI too when Dhoni is not available. DK has got the most chances as WK as well as middle order batsmen in ODI but still he cannot do any justice.

  • POSTED BY Practical_person on | March 3, 2014, 0:01 GMT

    Again fickle fans. Karthik is playing international cricket after a long time. He was unlucky to be constantly overshadowed by Dhoni. I am sure he will get better in subsequent matches. His talent in batting is also unquestionable. Dropped catches and/or missed stampings are part and parcel of the game. Pakistan deserved to win this game and we should accept that. No point harping on what ifs.

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | March 2, 2014, 23:28 GMT

    Also, I don't think the missed stumping cost India this match. Because, if Maqsood was out then, Afridi would have came earlier and may be Pakisthan would have won it more easily. It is the easy single run given to Junaid Khan in the last over which cost India the match. There is no shame in giving couple of sixers to Afridi. Because he can hit any bowler in the world to sixers. But, spoiling the opportunity to keep him at the non-strikers end for one more ball was a big error.

  • POSTED BY khanofcricket on | March 2, 2014, 23:26 GMT

    Every one is talking about DK just because India lost. Two wrong decisions in favor of India and a dolly drop catch of Jadeja - if this didn't happen India would have bundled up between 200 and 220 and then there was no match. If Pakistan had lost we would have been talking about bad umpiring and Hafeez. That's how it goes, I guess.

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | March 2, 2014, 23:22 GMT

    Guys, I am as disappointed as everybody else with Karthik's errors. But, I do feel for the immense talent Karthik is going to waste. Poor guy made two bad mistakes and everybody wants his head. How many mistakes the likes of Jadeja, Rohit Sharma and even Dhoni, as a keeper, made when they were persisted with? Sadly for Karthik, he is only a temporary. So, even if he did reasonably well, when Dhoni comes back, Karthik has to go. Not long ago when India was struggling overseas, it was Karthik who inspired everybody by scoring heavily in those warm up matches. True, he didn't set the world on fire in actual tourney. But, he wasn't required. The team didn't lose a match. The guy has talent. But, prone to make mistake when it matters to him most. May be someone needs to talk to him. Also, I believe he should bat at No.4. That's the best position for him.

  • POSTED BY ThatsJustCricket on | March 2, 2014, 23:14 GMT

    Seen a lot of fans of DK on these forums who regularly bemoan the "unfair" handling of their hero. If this is his keeping standard then I can clearly understand why Saha is the back up keeper in tests in stead of this guy. DK is quickly becoming the Kamran Akmal of India.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 2, 2014, 23:14 GMT

    There you go, hope of some of you ignorant people now understand the value of MS Dhoni in this team. We have a keeper who averages 53 with the bat and has turned the tide around for us when needed with the bat & with the glove. Still just because he kicked out some of Underperforming Ganguly's men everybody staryed hating him. Had the old rusted Sehwag, dravid, yuvraj singh still be playing, team would have looked pathetic on the feild. They aren't contributing a whole lot with the bat either.Why are the selectors even persisiting with Karthik? 60+ odi's, averages 27. with barely three 50. One of them coming agianst Zimbabwe. I mean seriously? there are young guys waiting to get a chance. Selectors need to look past this guy or he will keep loosing india games when his role matters the most.

  • POSTED BY Hassan78692110 on | March 2, 2014, 22:47 GMT

    India has better rankings in Test/ODI, only because they play lots of cricket at home, unlike Pakistan. Just hats off to Pakistan that they are playing so well despite of the fact that there is no home cricket for them. Just imagine India's performance if they were playing away from home only. India is a team which is absolutely zero when it comes to real cricket overseas. And as far as Dhoni is concerned, I believe he has lost the right to be the captain of any international side after such a horrendous overseas record. Well done Pakistan, just hang in, once international cricket is restored in Pakistan, you will be right there at the top. Misbah probable is the greatest captain Pakistan has ever had.

  • POSTED BY mucheemaann on | March 2, 2014, 22:42 GMT

    Definitely missed the finisher / keeper. Captain? Not so much. I think Kohli did better with his limited resources. I wonder what happened to the finisher for the duration of time hen India played outside the subcontinent?

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 22:41 GMT

    Karthik is such a waste. Why not give Sanju Samson a go. He looks more matured then Karthik .

  • POSTED BY A.Ak on | March 2, 2014, 22:26 GMT

    Very unfair considering DK has been used only a fill-in player. He is not RSharma or Raina who had 50 or 60 games in one go and they still fail.

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | March 2, 2014, 22:23 GMT

    This is a team work. One day Jadeja picks up 2-3 wkts @ 4 rpo and today he goes for 0 wkt and 6+ rpo. That does not mean Jadeja should be dropped. Common people show knee-jerk reaction when some player fails in just one or two matches. I expect cricinfo analysts to do better than that.

    DK is unlucky that his mistakes are proving to be costly. MSD has also missed many but MSD is lucky that such batsman does not go on to make a century. I am not saying DK is world's great keeper. Selectors were right in giving him chances as pure batsman. By his over all talent, he is next best to Dhoni. He is better batsman in limited overs format especially than other middle order batsmen. He is a terrific ground fielder too. Karthik Krishnaswamy should put a similar analysis on how India is affected by one Mr. RGSharma and Rahane 's slow scorings, Kholi's and Dhwan's dropped catches, etc. instead of underscoring one player's failure only.

  • POSTED BY satchander on | March 2, 2014, 22:13 GMT

    I though both Rahane and Karthik were highly disappointing in consuming so many balls and then NOT getting a big score. But considering Rahane has just started playing ODI we can probably excuse him. But Karthik has played 70 odd ODIs and the way he batted it was atrocious. I seriously feel the idea of getting sanju samson into the side would be good for Indian ODI cricket.

  • POSTED BY pulkit10 on | March 2, 2014, 22:11 GMT

    The problem is that in the absence of Dhoni, there is no one to enforce a pace for the game. You have players in the middle order that'll either hit big or dig themselves in a hole. Dhoni has this uncanny ability to strike the balance between attack and defense and in this case, it would have been extremely handy (probably a 260+ score). For this reason alone, it is imperative to bring in Pujara. He's often looked on as a "test player" but his ODI-equivalent record will tell you that he's capable scoring briskly. For further proof...look at his tests partnerships with Kohli where he consistently outscores Kohli (S/R) after getting in. Absolutely baffling that the selectors haven't used him yet.

    This feels a lot like the 90s...the whole team relying on one guy (Kohli) to get them through. Bring Pujara in and help Kohli out. Easiest way is to give Rayadu the gloves and make Karthik serve drinks (he's earned it). Also, while at it...persist with Mishra. Looked good today.

  • POSTED BY KingSalz on | March 2, 2014, 22:03 GMT

    Dhoni is your best bet. Keep him, or get ready to be playing in the shadows of Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Seriously!!

  • POSTED BY vik56in on | March 2, 2014, 22:01 GMT

    Sanju Samson ! He is the best young batsman in the country !

  • POSTED BY jimmyvida on | March 2, 2014, 21:46 GMT

    As I said when India was in South Africa, ICC should allow 18 fieldsmen for India. Their ground fielding is beyond rotten.

  • POSTED BY whyshoulditell on | March 2, 2014, 21:34 GMT

    If Hafeez had taken the catch of Jadeja or If the Umpire had given him out before that drop, India had been bowled out for 210.

    Even the great players have been through these periods.

    I last AUS SA match; SA had dropped 7 catches but still managed to win.

    This is good to analyze one's performance but you can't only blame him for the lose.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 21:16 GMT

    WC & Champions Trophy winners India..also known for its best batting line in the world...has to play 2 Wicket keepers in the ODI team...such is the bench strength of team...Rahane,Rayudu,DK all seem to be kids not men & can do well only in domestic IPL,not at international level..

  • POSTED BY Nampally on | March 2, 2014, 21:03 GMT

    Sanju Samson or Lokesh Rahul are both better WK/Batsmen compared to Karthik. I had mentioned, either would have been better replacement when Karthik was the announced guy. If India needed a good WK, Saha is the best in India. With so much choice available, it was a bone headed decision by the Selectors to choose Karthik. Karthik's irresponsible batting & missed chances behind the wickets have cost India's elimination from the Asia Cup. There is no point in brooding over the spilt milk after the event. Second reason for the Indian losses to SA,NZ, SL & Pakistan in ODI's is poor & tactless selection of XI. Dhoni selects an insane XI & persists with it despite all losses. Bowlers like Mishra, Pandey & Batsmen like Pujara have been targeted to be benched by Dhoni & Kohli. Only in desperation was Mishra included by Kohli, vs. Pakistan & he was the real "star of the match"! Pujara remained benched! Is Politiking more important than selecting a XI based on Merit - which pushed India so LOW?

  • POSTED BY whyshoulditell on | March 2, 2014, 20:58 GMT

    If Hafeez had taken the catch of Jadeja or If Umpire had given him out before that drop, India might had been bowled out for 210.

    Even the great players have been through these periods.

    I last AUS SA match; SA had dropped 7 catches but still managed to win.

    This is good to analyze one's performance but you can't only blame him for the lose.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:58 GMT

    well why uthapa and any other keeper if dhoni is available then india don't need to think about any other keeper.dhoni captaincy is good people criticise him. I bet if we give world class bowlers to him on field then this dhoni will change his attitude and will go for the kill. whoever captain india wont do much bcz of this thin bowling. I have seens cricket a lot never ever give last over to any spiner. specialy when u need 9 runs to win. if any fast bowler were around for last over. Pakistan would have lost the game. anyways we human always learn from our mistakes. this is not the end of the world for indian cricket. but india needs to select good team as well as bowling is concern.

  • POSTED BY CricketLifer on | March 2, 2014, 20:57 GMT

    10 years and 70 ODIs and 23 Tests is plenty of experience. The thing one needs to demand most of Indian cricketers is consistency and intelligent cricket. We cannot keep getting side tracked by a brilliant game here and there. Time to look for some one new and Sanju Sampson is very capable. Groom him now. He can gain the much valued experience in a few series.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:57 GMT

    I am surprised that we do not have a decent wicketkeeper considering the IPL teams we have,

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 2, 2014, 20:50 GMT

    shouldnt be just putting all on karthik really. these types of things fo happen in game and cant say what would have happened if had not missed that stumping. jadeja got 2 lives as well , poor decision and a drop and made these count and almost won it for india. so no body can say what would have happened if this or that.

    i think because dhoni was there, nobody looked for any wicket keeper. in my opinion , it will be best to play dhoni as a batsman and play any keeper in there. that will give good experience to the new guy.

  • POSTED BY SinSpider on | March 2, 2014, 20:48 GMT

    *My apologies to MSD* ..... Dhoni is irreplaceable in Test, ODI and T20 format. His absence was glaringly visible in matches against SL and Pak. I think Dhoni missed the Asia cup deliberately because he was heavily criticized for India's performance in SA and NZ. Now all Indian fans (including me) have realised how much balance he offers to the team. I apologise unreservedly to the Indian captain.

  • POSTED BY inswing on | March 2, 2014, 20:43 GMT

    Any WK who drops catches or misses stumpings is unaffordable. Even more so for a weak bowling side like India. First and foremost WK has to be selected on their WK skills, and only secondarily on batting skills. A bad WK should not hang around in the side on the basis that he can score runs. Just as a bad bowler (read Ashwin) should not hang around in the side on the grounds that he can score runs.

  • POSTED BY lankawa on | March 2, 2014, 20:39 GMT

    I find these writings by some of these writers interesting reads - they tend to analyse to the death all the what ifs and buts that could have changed the end result. But what is the point - I wonder in doing these over-analysing you forget to mention how good the opposition is!! We perfectly understand the pain when your team lose - but it sometimes pays to be unbiased to become a true journalist. Take a cue from Andrew he writes really well. My comment is a general observation, not necessary aimed at this article. Fact of the matter is there is so much politics involved in team selection, especially among the Sub Continent teams, I do not know how these players perform the way they perform at all!

  • POSTED BY Rkhanten1 on | March 2, 2014, 20:36 GMT

    Karthick should be dropped from the next game, and bring Pujara in, and Rayyadu can keep the wicket. I don't know why Pujara is not given a chance. These are low scoring matches where batsman like Pujara can be very effective like Hashim Amla.

    Hope selector listen to my voice.

  • POSTED BY Varuna-Bhushana on | March 2, 2014, 20:30 GMT

    Overarted Cpatain, overarted fielders, overrated, bowlers, spinners, Wkt keeper that constitute an overarted team that underperforms every critical match. can you guess the team??

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 2, 2014, 20:23 GMT

    Dhoni is the guy who stopped our search for a regular keeper. Otherwise Dravid was keeping. Keeper Captain Finisher can there be a better all rounder

  • POSTED BY Temuzin on | March 2, 2014, 20:20 GMT

    Do we missed Dhoni? you bet. There is no alternative of Dhoni in India and may be in the world cricket. That guy is 3 in 1 for the team. Everybody in the world knows that except a few one eyed, biased Indian fans and experts.

  • POSTED BY agent001 on | March 2, 2014, 20:19 GMT

    Dropped catches and/or missed stumping chances, poor umpiriing decisions and missed run outs are part and parcel of the game of cricket. It is only when they become costly or impact the outcome of the match that the culprit is run into the ground. Nothing to feel ashamed about Karthik as leg side stumping with the ball obstructed by the batsman is never easy

  • POSTED BY xylo on | March 2, 2014, 20:15 GMT

    Nasser Hussain summed up Karthik's abilities perfectly - He takes some spectacular catches, and puts down some dollies. Karthik, the batsman, if is consistent, can easily get into the XI; he has a very good attitude, is quick on the field, and can stand in as a wicketkeeper.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:13 GMT

    same league as Dinesh Ramdin and Kamran Akmal.

  • POSTED BY Rjraza1 on | March 2, 2014, 20:10 GMT

    I can't understand although karthik started his career almost 10 year ago yet he couldn't make a count in international cricket till now neither as a keeper nor as a batsman but still he's always 2nd option and replacement for MS. Amazing!!!

  • POSTED BY agent001 on | March 2, 2014, 20:10 GMT

    Dropped catches and/or missed stumping chances, poor umpiriing decisions and missed run outs are part and parcel of the game of cricket. It is only when they become costly or impact the outcome of the match that the culprit is run into the ground. Nothing to feel ashamed about Karthik as leg side stumping with the ball obstructed by the batsman is nearly easy.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    Rayadu can keep, and that will allow one more batsman in team like Pujara or some body like Stuart Binny. If need badly Sanju Samson can do better than this.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 2, 2014, 20:07 GMT

    sanju samson is a much better player and very well matured in shot selection. Its time to look at him as a second keeper.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:03 GMT

    Well I still think msd is world class player and finisher. and way ahead good captain then kohli. today kohli made mistake when ashwin got his first wicket and he changed him in very next over. when bowler is in form and on top then u have to give him one more over he might get another wicket and maintain pressure. these little things kohli should learn. one thing is missing badly in indian team is all rounder like kapil dev(pa ji) india doesn't work on fast bowling all rounders and if we see their fast bowling attack that don't look like decent one. if you wanna win cricket matches against quality teams like south Africa Australia Pakistan and sort of new zeland . then you must provide good fast bowlers. era has been changed now no Tendulkar dravid laxman. you have to learn fast new ways of cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:02 GMT

    Karthik's keeping if anybody is following him, comes as a no surprise.. time to try uthhapa... he can stand behind the stumps & do nothing like karthik but bats better

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    Do you miss Dhoni ? i can mention several instances Dhoni won the matches just because of his keeping... Guys try to understand this before writing anything...

  • POSTED BY AlbertPintoGussaHua on | March 2, 2014, 19:50 GMT

    Karthik is clearly over-rated both as a batsman and keeper. Time to start grooming Sanju Samsom for the role of keeper-smasher.

  • POSTED BY hunny1 on | March 2, 2014, 19:42 GMT

    Kamran Akmal's brother :p

  • POSTED BY hunny1 on | March 2, 2014, 19:42 GMT

    Kamran Akmal's brother :p

  • POSTED BY AlbertPintoGussaHua on | March 2, 2014, 19:50 GMT

    Karthik is clearly over-rated both as a batsman and keeper. Time to start grooming Sanju Samsom for the role of keeper-smasher.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    Do you miss Dhoni ? i can mention several instances Dhoni won the matches just because of his keeping... Guys try to understand this before writing anything...

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:02 GMT

    Karthik's keeping if anybody is following him, comes as a no surprise.. time to try uthhapa... he can stand behind the stumps & do nothing like karthik but bats better

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:03 GMT

    Well I still think msd is world class player and finisher. and way ahead good captain then kohli. today kohli made mistake when ashwin got his first wicket and he changed him in very next over. when bowler is in form and on top then u have to give him one more over he might get another wicket and maintain pressure. these little things kohli should learn. one thing is missing badly in indian team is all rounder like kapil dev(pa ji) india doesn't work on fast bowling all rounders and if we see their fast bowling attack that don't look like decent one. if you wanna win cricket matches against quality teams like south Africa Australia Pakistan and sort of new zeland . then you must provide good fast bowlers. era has been changed now no Tendulkar dravid laxman. you have to learn fast new ways of cricket.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | March 2, 2014, 20:07 GMT

    sanju samson is a much better player and very well matured in shot selection. Its time to look at him as a second keeper.

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:09 GMT

    Rayadu can keep, and that will allow one more batsman in team like Pujara or some body like Stuart Binny. If need badly Sanju Samson can do better than this.

  • POSTED BY agent001 on | March 2, 2014, 20:10 GMT

    Dropped catches and/or missed stumping chances, poor umpiriing decisions and missed run outs are part and parcel of the game of cricket. It is only when they become costly or impact the outcome of the match that the culprit is run into the ground. Nothing to feel ashamed about Karthik as leg side stumping with the ball obstructed by the batsman is nearly easy.

  • POSTED BY Rjraza1 on | March 2, 2014, 20:10 GMT

    I can't understand although karthik started his career almost 10 year ago yet he couldn't make a count in international cricket till now neither as a keeper nor as a batsman but still he's always 2nd option and replacement for MS. Amazing!!!

  • POSTED BY on | March 2, 2014, 20:13 GMT

    same league as Dinesh Ramdin and Kamran Akmal.