India in Australia 2011-12

Vinay replaces injured Aaron for Australia Tests

Nagraj Gollapudi

December 9, 2011

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Umesh Yadav and Vinay Kumar have a chat, Ahmedabad, December 4, 2011
Vinay Kumar (right) finally gets a chance with the Test outfit © Associated Press
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Vinay Kumar, the Karnataka fast bowler, has been picked as a replacement for the injured Varun Aaron in India's Test squad to Australia. Aaron's injury was detected on Thursday evening, making him India's second first-choice fast bowler to pull out of the squad due to injury. Praveen Kumar had been ruled of the Australia tour late last month after suffering a rib injury.

Reportedly, Aaron is suffering from a stress reaction in his back, which was diagnosed during the Indore ODI. He will be reporting to the National Cricket Academy in Bangalore next week, to chalk out a rehabilitation plan. Incidentally, Aaron had to sit out of the Ahmedabad ODI only because the nail on a toe of his left foot had fallen out. Abhimanyu Mithun replaced him for that match.

Vinay, 27, has been on the fringes of the India's limited-overs sides for the past year and a half, but has not had a chance in Tests so far. Though he wasn't a part of the squad for the World Cup, Vinay was the most experienced of the quick bowlers in the side for the current home series against West Indies, until Irfan Pathan was included for the final two one-dayers.

He has been a consistent performer in first-class cricket for several seasons. He was the second highest wicket-taker in the Ranji Trophy as far back as 2007-08, a feat he repeated two years later when he spearheaded Karnataka's attack during their run to the finals.

It was only two days ago that Vinay had restated his desire to be a part of the Test set-up, a stage where several younger competitors - Abhimanyu Mithun, Umesh Yadav, Aaron - had already got the chance to show off their talent.

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Posted by   on (December 12, 2011, 19:26 GMT)

Vinay has palyed in AUS " he has been to Australia earlier on three occasions with the Karnataka team, and once with India A," Thats exp will count. He has performed consistently in First class for years to get his place in Team India. If speed is only the parameter then shoib would have been world's best bowler. J srinath, who started as fast bowler (He still holds the record for India) was effective even after cutting down his pace(remember 2003 WC). Vinay has got exp behind him. lets C if you guys will have the same opinon after the series.

Posted by   on (December 12, 2011, 19:06 GMT)

@Apoorv Pandey, Vinay was the top wicket taker in ranji session 2007 and again in 2009. He is also consistent and fit bowler.Not like the others who bowls @ low 140's in two matches and take rest for 4 months. If you are talking lightly about Venkatesh Prasad that shows your cricketing knowledge.

Posted by   on (December 12, 2011, 2:56 GMT)

and my buddies vinay was not highes wicket taker in emerging players varun aaron was

Posted by   on (December 12, 2011, 2:55 GMT)

his hopeless line length is still better than that truddler vinay kumar at 125 kmph he again strays the bowland goes over6 runs in4matches varun below 5 joke bowler like that joke venkatesh prasad even mithun is better he can bat 132 to134 vinay is below average truth shows in stats in england conditions he was smashed over 7 wat he want now swinging conditions going for runs inindia smashed for 6 in 16 matches 17 wickets at over 6 and 39 average wow wat abowler check his ipl records goes over 9 runs truddler joker india dont need these we have seen lost in past that cost us our self respect in manymatches

Posted by vinayespn on (December 11, 2011, 17:25 GMT)

well said Dravid Gravitas.. Vinay deserves a chance as Indians need a thinking bowler who can use the Australian conditions to good effect.. This could well be the blessing in disguise for Dhoni n co. Aaron is a good future prospect but he is still raw.. I dont see either Vinay or Aaron to be in the starting 11 on Dec 26th.. My pick would be Zak (if fully fit), Umesh Yadav, Ishanth Sharma and Ashwin..

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 11, 2011, 15:10 GMT)

@Apoorv Pandey, I'm no expert like you and Wasim Akram ;). But am commenting after looking at the way Varun bowled, his contorted action and his hopeless line and length.

Posted by   on (December 11, 2011, 8:55 GMT)

dravid gravitias vinay uses brains you think you are cricket expert wasim akram and steve waugh has a praise for aaron and yadav aaron was wasim discovery not a truddler tortoise like vinay 6 runs per over in ipl he gives 9 runs per over he is club bowler wasim has praise for aaron and yadav not for vinay kumble and tenvic cleverly selecting these players disgrace to india in england in one day this guy vinay was the main reason we lost one day series 125 kph bowler we have lots of dat joginder sharma is better than vinay or jaidev unadkat

Posted by   on (December 11, 2011, 4:21 GMT)

I think Chris shrikkant made the mind that he will not going to pick irfan for australia...though he picked for windies odi's irfan not got the his chances for tringular series is also faint...chris when your contact of selection comitee will end...BCCI please change selection panel...

Posted by manisacumen on (December 11, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

While all Indian fans will be miffed at Cheeka and co., at least the kannadiga fans will keep their mouths shut. For they have got two truly native players from Karnataka selected. While I am not jealous of their selection, at least people should be fair in judging the selectors, i mean cheeka especially.

Yes M. Vijay got a long rope. But he deserved it. Whenever he got a chance in tests,he did well and helped in winning. Only in the WI he flopped. Now he is no more in the scheme of things unless he comes up with something substantial. Mukund is certainly for the future,once viru retires or gauti suddenly loses form. But for now, he has to make tons of runs.

Whatever cheeka did or not, his team won the WC for us. He was confident before the WC. But his team won. Though credit should go to Dhoni for the WC victory, Dhoni got the backing of Cheeka and he got the team he wanted from cheeka. Cheeka's stint was really good for us except for the England series. The selec

Posted by manisacumen on (December 11, 2011, 3:19 GMT)

Sorry for IKP. But we all are assuming that IKP will do well based on his past performances. But he has done little to show that he has arrived. His performance in Ranji doesn't count much. He has to prove in International matches. He'll surely be in for the ODIs. I Pray fervently that he shines in the last ODI against WI today. Let him prove himself in the tri series. If he does, then he'll be a permanent fixture in tests and ODIs in the future. Let us wait.

As for Mithun and Vinay, their chances of getting into the XI comes only when zak, UY or IS breaks down. Otherwise they will be benched. And for the Sydney test, only two pacers will be played. Assuming that all the 3 first choice pacers will play in the first test, these two KNTK players will get realistically only two chances. And the probability of one of them playing the two tests is very small. I am sure they will not play at all.

While all Indian fans will be miffed at Cheeka and co., at least the kannadiga

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 11, 2011, 1:10 GMT)

Guys, Vinay Kumar is a much better bowler than Varun. He is a thinking bowler with line and length and speed in the mid to high 130s. Varun is a dumbo with no line and length and speed in the high 130s to low 140s. Varun is useless as he stands now. Vinay beats Varun in the two most important facets of pace bowling - using his brain and maintaining line and length.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

it looks like SRIKANTH just wants SOUTH INDIANS in the team. a day will come when our TEAM INDIA will be TEAM SOUTH INDIA. his selections make no sense. vinay kumar is ok till the ODI level. selection of abhimanyu mithun surprised me as well. he might be good, buit you need experience to play in places like australia or else you would be thrashed all over the park. this is what is going to happen. i m afraid we dont go down 4-0 again!

Posted by AbAdvani on (December 10, 2011, 17:14 GMT)

Vinay Kumar will ensure that the Aussies win the Test Series -India with the likes of Vinay Kumar and Mithun will struggle to bowl the Aussies twice -Maybe Srikanth should explain what he sees in Vinay Kumar that he doesn't see in Irfan Pathan or other promising pace bowlers (Sudip Tyagi, Bhuvanesh Kumar, R.P Singh, MS Gony, YoMahesh can all bowl much faster than Vinay Kumar and hit the deck better ) -Vinay Kumar is set to overtake Ajit Agarkar as the bowler who's been given the maximum opportunities to play despite his ordinary track record in all formats at International level -Thanks Srikanth for offering the Test series on a platter to the Aussies

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

For all those ppl who are against Vinay Kumars selection..!!! Have a look at this.. Vinay averages 24.29 and 26.05 in First class and List A respectively..!! Pathan averages 28.02 and 29.01 in First class and List A respectively..!!

If a person who consistently performing in Domestic circuits from past 5 years is not given a chance..then why the hell do we have domestic competitions..!!

Vinays pace is better than Pathan's...!! Pathan has performed well in 4 matches he played this year...but his last three years has been a very poor one..!!!

Vinay is considered to be as the best bowler amongst domestic circuit..!!!

Zak Umesh yadav Ishanth are the three quicks who should be in the eleven if they are fit.. any injuries then vinay should be brought in...For sure he will perform in Australian conditions..

Cos he did perform in emerging players tournament...

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 16:32 GMT)

Don't know, what makes the selectors repeat the mistakes of picking player like Jaidev Unadkat , Vinay Kumar in tours to places like Australia or South Africa. In Australia , we need hit the Deck bowlers. Swing at leisurely pace... is an eay cake-walk. Perhaps , the selection panel is more a batsman dominated one and so they are missing a point or two in selecting PACE BOWLERS.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 15:18 GMT)

our selectors are trying to put up a circus around by selecting clowns and jokers .. cm'on vinay kumar for aaron ?? what nonsense is this ... and mithun as well in place of PK , what are srikant and co thinking ??why are they playing with a nation's hopes and aspirations , agreed that pathan's lack of international match practice , but i believe there are other bowlers around who could have been included, a rookie maybe .rp was there, and what happened to Nehra ? he is one of our best odi bowler .. but mithun and vinay for australia ?? look at the way these two have bowled in the indore odi . agreed it was a good batting pitch but still could have maintained some line and length atleast. if these two can represent team India , then i think any 'gaali' cricketer can play for the country , mithun and vinay .. oh no, honestly trust me the result would be atleast 3-0 if not 4-0 to the aussie, guys be prepared for a royal hiding to the team ..

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 14:26 GMT)

those who r saying vinay better than varun australia play vinay like bowlers even not in their club 125 kph truddler joke bowler again foreign commentators will make fun and laugh disgrace varon has taken wickets in chances he got not like vinay after 16 mathces 16 wickets 6 runs per over in england not a single wicket disgrace tocricket

Posted by jam-11 on (December 10, 2011, 13:55 GMT)

everybody talking vinay is slow bowler. pathan bowls 140+.. What a joke who is talking speed of vinay. i think who r commenting vinay don't know his ranaji performance. if pathan i feel big joke. we will see both player performance

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 13:41 GMT)

The writing is on the wall already : 4-0 to Australia. The second whitewash within the year is on the way....instead of exposing first-choice bowlers to injuries sustained in MEANINGLESS ODI series, the selectors / BCCI should have shown some sense, some semblance of sense, by looking after the frontline bowlers and and batsmen, AND sent them ALL to Australia early...real shame..

Posted by crindo77 on (December 10, 2011, 13:35 GMT)

He is very good at carrying drinks and gloves. He can also carry 2 bats at the same time. I have seen it myself. We need someone to carry Zaheer off the field after he tears something in the first test. I'm pretty confident Vinay is the man for that job. For that he will be rewarded with a test berth in Sydney where he will open the bowling with Ashwin. After being violated by Ponting for his comeback double hundred, Vinay will be flown back to India where he will write his joint memoirs with Devang Gandhi ( remember him?)

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 13:31 GMT)

Vinay Kumar. Hope you do well in OZ. But... What is your strong point? Not, pace. Not Yorkers. If Oz batsmen decide to play late, swing at your pace will be easily read and smacked. Only thing you can do is McGrathian accuracy; but can you do that? Even at your speed, you have been giving wides, off leg stump. Fortunately in test matches they are allowed. Wides won't be called. Lest us hope, Oz batsmen will oblige you by snicking those deliveries outside the off stump into Dhoni's gloves. Hope is eternal... No? ( Only consolation for you is that others in the Indian pace pack also have been erring in line, and also bowling short, quite often. Some back-handed consolation for you)

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 13:12 GMT)

barring all things atleast experience and all round ability of pathan plus man of the match of perth test should get him on the flight to australia... it is high time,selectors need to give the rationale of selection to the fans of Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 13:05 GMT)

it does matter irfan r vinay , piont is india need experiance players to combat aus a... we have to want this series to regain no 1 spot ....but mr god of cricker mr srikant does know wht he doing ..let me remind u agin india doest have exp fast bowler which will helpp our team to performance spinner will take over once fast bowler will perform ....why this so called fast bowler instead of exp bowlers

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 12:49 GMT)

when our selector will keep repeating same mistakes...when we will learn ... best of luck indian team we have been given a best team as per mr god of cricket mr srikant , please think before boarding them no experiance fast bowlers in our team untill zak is 100% fit pls review our team again instead of get trashed ....

Posted by dariuscorny on (December 10, 2011, 12:44 GMT)

chief selector himself was a mediocre player,proved to be a mediocre selector selecting mediocre players to play for India.thus,wants to turn TEAM INDIA into MEDIOCRE INDIA

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

God knows what the selectors are thinking.... if Irfan pathan's age or pace is factor... then Vinay kumar's pace and age is similar as Irfan pathan...... i was surprised when he was not included in the 4thODI........ selectors wake up.......

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

Vinay Kumar is likely to do well with the New Ball

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 11:36 GMT)

Good going indian selectors :D

Time to lose another test series 4-0

Way to gay srrikanth & co.

By the way hope to see anirudha srikanth in the team soon :)

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 11:34 GMT)

its probably the worst selection blunder in recent times

Posted by dariuscorny on (December 10, 2011, 11:22 GMT)


Posted by dariuscorny on (December 10, 2011, 11:14 GMT)

@SrinivasBharath yes he is not as bad,he is really bad bowler with average skills.i wud once again say if India persists wid him in the long run,he will cost India crucial matches dearly

Posted by SrinivasBharath on (December 10, 2011, 10:37 GMT)

It is funny to see people commenting without knowing who Vinay is. He has been the leading wicket taker in the Ranaji Trophy twice and has the ability to swing the ball. He may not be a proven bowler like Zaheer but he is not as bad as you people think

Posted by Dalajit on (December 10, 2011, 9:12 GMT)

WHAT A JOKE AGAIN FROM OUR SELECTORS...There is no use in showing fans' view here as nobody care from the selectors to see these comments...they decide what they want...whom they want...not on performances. Good going Srikanth...u r the best selector, during ur playing time...u were one of my favorite cricketer but not a good selector at all.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 9:10 GMT)

shocked that selectors didnt picked irfan. he is a proven customer and has the experience to play in australia. also he is in terrafic form right now. and someone talked abt d difference in level b/w ranji and international, i want to say that irfan did splendidly well before chappel and injury destroyed him. now that he is fit again and back in form he should have been given a chance.atleast before vinay and mithun. vinay is millitery medium and mithun!!, huh u can see his performance at international level in d ongoing west indies series

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 8:54 GMT)

Its a good plan to pick vinay provided the aussies underestimate him and try to stamp their authority over the poor medium pacer, miscuing in the process, and benefitting vinay with wickets instead..he's gotta be the surprise element in the indianXI

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 8:51 GMT)

@Asim Jairajpuri -u have said wat i wanted to say..............the selectors think themselves the god of cricket............Wt do the selectors thnk of themselves....... they should go for irfan pathan

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (December 10, 2011, 8:40 GMT)

Vinay replacing Aaron? Well done Indian selectors. Its like a Lada replacing a Ferrari. That's not the definition of "replacement"! That's the definition of a selection panel which cannot select.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 8:10 GMT)

I'd have chosen Irfan through his Ranji performances and because he has talent, but we have got to be real - there's a huge difference in quality between Ranji and international cricket. We don't have a genuine indication of how well he'll hold up against the Aussies. Vinay Kumar isn't the worst replacement, better than Mithun if you ask me. Our tour is already under threat; Praveen Kumar really was a huge loss, having him and Zaheer as a new ball pair would have kept the pressure. We've lost Aaron now as well, but he was never going to get a game, unless there were injuries. If we get one more injury, we're in pretty serious trouble. Ishant has really got to step up on this tour and become a leader - you get the feeling he doesn't always run in with purpose; he needs to really charge in and let loose.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 7:58 GMT)

I dont get,how Vinay kumar would do well in the australian conditions?He's strict medium at his best,bowls 120-25 and cant extract much out of the bounce that can be generated.I can understand not picking irfan but why are guys like abu nechim,dinda,siddharth trivdei and pankaj singh ignored,their bowling style would be good in Australian conditions.I hope its not because of zonal policies.

Posted by jawadjamaal on (December 10, 2011, 7:56 GMT)


Am really Shocked y Irfan not there again??


coz of Shrikanth.look at His Performance in Ranji 2011 Match Over Maidens Runs Wickets BB Avg 5wk S/R Irfan Pathan : 3 110.3 28 297 21 7/114 14.14 3 2.68 A Mithun 3 81 20 250 10 3/29 25 0 3.08

Now Decid eur Self who is Better Replacement for Aus tour.

Irfan pathan +point His Batting and Experience.

Posted by Vilander on (December 10, 2011, 7:33 GMT)

Indian Selectors thought process.

1, Mithun a hit the deck softly slow bowler will replace swing exponent praveen.

2, Vinay a swing bowler replaces express Aaron.

3, Irfan not good enough to replace Praveen or Aaron but if Zak breaksdown he might be looked at since he is next in queue.

Amazing !

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 7:27 GMT)

Y not giving chance for the irfan pathan. he is a good all rounder. please give the chance for irfan pathan.

Posted by pavannayak on (December 10, 2011, 7:26 GMT)

I was watching the test b/w NZ and AUS this morning.Believe me AUSSIES are on the verge of loosing that killer punch needed as they did on several previous occasions when needed. AUSSIES looking down the barrel it's just the opposition teams inability to capitalize on good start have handed over last couple of test matches.Good news for INDIA though:::::.....

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 7:26 GMT)

VINAY KUMAR is a greattt bowler... best in the world at the moment.. and will be remembered as a legend.. forget dale styen and all..he will clock 160km/h this time around.. banana swing.. great control.. he is the best bowler india ever produced.. he will take all aussie wicket,s,,,, irfan pathan is a forgotten thing now.. krish knows well. so what if he took hattrick,,, so what if he was the architect of perth victory.. ranji trophy is the place for him... vinay kumar is the man who will crush aussies.. after all he is selector,s choice.. the great indian selector,s krish is doing greattt job..indeed.. what a man he is,, hatts off,, mithun is also a greatt bowler,, bowling in 150km/h bracket... what a great pace duo it will be,, i am looking forward ,,, Vinay you are the man ...go on,, get going,,, hahahhahahahahahhahaah.....

Posted by jnanesh41 on (December 10, 2011, 7:26 GMT)

vinay kumar was the highest wicket taker in emerging players tournament held in australia ... plz encourage youngsters ..

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 7:22 GMT)

Vinay Kumar? Seriously? We need genuine quicks in Aus -- not Venkatesh Prasad part 2.

Posted by kamriyas on (December 10, 2011, 7:14 GMT)

Anyway its going to be Zaheer, Ishant and Umesh yadav in the playing 11. Mithun and Vinay are going to serve drinks. So its good for Irfan Pathan not to get selected. Even if Zaheer or Ishant gets injured, Vinay will replace and gets smashed all over the park. It is a tough tour and it is good that Irfan is not included or he will ignored for lifetime for just one tough / bad series.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 7:10 GMT)

Wow i just got the news that Vinay kumar is fast bowler.It means that Hussey and ponting are fast bowlers of australia. Today I saw mike hussey and Rickey ponting bowling against NZ. Hussey was constitently bowling 125 km/hr. I was surprised to see Ponting fastest ball as 131.3 K. Now our faster bolwer Vinay bowl rarely with same speed. India should have picked Nehra or Dinda as they are capable of bowling consitently in highers 130s and occasional 140. Or they can go with Irfan pathan as 5 bowler as allrounder who can bat at 7.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (December 10, 2011, 7:08 GMT)

@yavaid... I think you will find that Dhoni will bring in Ashwin and rightly so. Remember Ashwin is still a mystery like Ajantha and we all saw how Mendis troubled the Aussies in Sri Lanka

Posted by shaantanu on (December 10, 2011, 6:57 GMT)

oh why but why are our selectors ignoring irfan pathan.we are playing australia and not zimbabwe.experience does count over there.......i am already having a negative feeling about our attack.vinay and mithun seems like no hopers to me(prove me wrong please)......aaron would have been exciting.umesh yadav does look like a good prospect......but Pathan is getting a raw deal from our selectors.whats the point of having him for the last 2 odis and not playing him in the first match he was back and then dropping him altogether for the australia defies logic.@#$% &@#

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 6:26 GMT)

Looks like our bowling unit is more of a South Zone attack..... Whr the hell is IRFAN or even Ashok Dinda???? Vinay kumar?? r u serious????

Posted by vivekk83 on (December 10, 2011, 5:59 GMT)

Oh dear, what clamour for Irfan's inclusion. He is talented no two ways about it. The guy has been a long injury lay off, comes back and performs well in 3 matches against really weak oppositions ( Delhi is weak as most of the play for the Indian team) and we keep saying , he is back to form, he can rip through the aussie line up. The likes of Mithun, Vinay slog it out through out the season and perform reasonably well without injuries and they don't deserve to get picked....Then lets get Murli kartik in.. He got a five for against them, let's Ajit agarkar in he got a five for against aussies.. Irfan has had his chances and he let it slip through.... He will need to wait.. Period.

Posted by mraviteja on (December 10, 2011, 5:24 GMT)

@Arnav Sawhny ..."Watson must be throwing a party tonight ..." ha ha ha..This is too Hilarious....:)!!!

On a Serious node...What can you expect apart from 300 -400 world record by Shane Watson against Vinay's Lolly-pops??

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 5:21 GMT)

Selection of Vinay Kumar to the team in place of Varun Aaron is surprising. Why they ignore Irfan Pathan again. These selectors are allowing out of form players like Ricky Ponting, Phil Hughes, Brad Haddin and Mike Hussey to come against India. You will not be surprised if Australia makes some big scores against Indians. Irfan has proved in Australia and still he left out. Vinay is OK for ODI format but Irfan should have included. Bad selection.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 5:20 GMT)

once again disappointed by the selectors. Why they are sideline Irfan again. I think it's time Irfan to say good bye cricket is it ? He will have to wait till another selectors come in place of shrikant. If ZAK not will be fit I am sure he will be replace by other karnataka bowler.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 5:17 GMT)

irfan desrves a place only when we play bangla or zimbabway

Posted by prakku on (December 10, 2011, 5:14 GMT)

It's too bad to see vinay got chance ahead of Irfan, Oh god please do some thing to vinay or mithun so that Irfan will be selected as replacement.

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 5:13 GMT)

i am too a serious admirer of irfan pathan... bt at the present its gud to select vinay kumar... let us pray for him to play to his best and giv his best

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 4:35 GMT)

Guys, I think we have all forgotten another exciting prospect called Deepak Chahar

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 4:33 GMT)

Should have taken "IRFAN" rather than inexperienced and fresh legs for crucial tours like australia tour...

Posted by Nirav1717 on (December 10, 2011, 4:32 GMT)

i think selectors is ignoring irfan pathan, why mithun and vinay kumar ahead of irfan pathan for australia tour?

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 3:45 GMT)

We need some one to bat also,zak and ishant can bat only on friendly pitches,not in australia.Irfan can do it,he has his swing back,his rhythm back,and can bat as an accomplished batsmen too,vinay and mithun have the same pace as pathan does and so pathan should be picked instead of mithun,muthun doesn't seem to use his brain even in one dayers,how will he fare in tests!

Posted by Johnny_129 on (December 10, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

Order of injury replacements should have been 1.Irfan, 2.Vinay, 3. Mithun. India is very short on bowling experience and they will struggle to bowl Aus out - they may be capable of bowling them out twice but not for low totals. The selectors have got the order wrong - major blunder by the selectors!!!

Posted by   on (December 10, 2011, 2:44 GMT)

I dont know why everybody is harping about IKP ? he is not express..his speed is comparable to Vinay or even less.

The swing argument doesnt hold either as both can swing, with Vinay having other variations which IKP doesnt have.

All of you look at the stats for last season's Ranji trophy..Vinay(captain btw) along with Mithun and Sreenath arvind(another worthy but unnoticed player ) brought Karnataka to the brink of winning ranji trophy..also Karnataka are top of Ranji this season as of now due to some fine bowling effort.

So how are you guys implying IKP is better than Vinay ? I am not able to get stats for last season ranji trophy for both Vinay and IKP, but I am sure thats what the selectors looked at and selected Vinay before IKP.

Posted by Nampally on (December 10, 2011, 0:58 GMT)

@NevadaSmith:Vinay may be OK but India needs someone who is likely to help their bowling in XI. If ZAK,Ishant & Yadev play, Vinay most likely will be benched. India needs is a wicket taker.The Selectors have overlooked that the OZ pitches are also helpful to good spinners who can get good bounce like Ashwin & Rahul - ojha to a lesser extent.. Rahul bowled brilliantly on a flat track in Indore & got 3 wkts. in 3 overs.I watched the Aussie N.Lyons getting lot of help in Brisbane. Even a part time spinner Warner appeared good with his fast leg breaks.Aussies are weak against spinners. India's best chances was with the spinners who recently got 42 out of 60 Wkts. against WI.Indian strategy should be to attack with spin mostly and use Seamers in short spells. ZAK & Ishant can do this. If Rahul was in instead of Vinay, India would have had 3 spinners in XI- Hence Rahul would have been a better replacement if only the Selectors had an action plan.Even Irfan Pathan a more versatiler choice.

Posted by 777aditya on (December 10, 2011, 0:36 GMT)

still no Irfan Pathan?!

Posted by couchpundit on (December 10, 2011, 0:03 GMT)

Lets face it...there will be only one spinner and i am pretty sure it has to be ohja, in that case there needs to be someone who can bat sensibly , because...the to porder will be back in pavilion in no time(lets say by lunch) except for laxman.

If not for Ashwin( who might play only one match in spin conducive wicket), irfan is the only better batsman to hold the other end.

I dont see other than Dravid, laxman and possibly one tailender doing the bulk of scoring.

how does mithun and vinay fall in scheme of things? apart from finishing up the alloted overs?

Posted by hm007 on (December 10, 2011, 0:01 GMT)

After having followed Vinay for some time I am finally relieved that he has made it into a test squad. Given his pace, he always will have it tough in ODIs to come good against smart batting. And most of our judgement here has been based on his ODI performance which is not right.

I am also not sure why we keep taking those old names again and again. Please dont say that you need pace to win matches. OK, Take is performance in his last full fledged Ranji season 2009/10 where Karnataka reached finals. Both Mithun and Vinay were the top wicket takers, by far. If these not so talented bowlers can take wickets. (;type=tournament)

Since then they have been on and off Indian team, often warming bench.

Accuracy and Variation is enough, esp in Australia. In the Emerging Players tourney played in Aus this year where Vinay took most wickets which had Aaron and Umesh as other bowlers.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (December 9, 2011, 23:33 GMT)

Sorry that Varun is injured. Hope he recovers soon and completely. Having said that, Varun isn't test match material. Selectors should select him for ODIs only.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 22:54 GMT)

Now, I doubt selection of Mithun is ridiculous , I mean this guy has no experience what so ever, no great Ranji form , failed badly when given chances,no great bowling speed. Mithun has played 4 complete test matches and only took 9 wickets and 1 wicket in 4 ODIs and have economy rate of 7.05 in ODIs . In T20, his records are far worse with an economy rate of 9.00 . Imagine the future of Indian bowling lies in the hand of Mithun . I personally feels, it should be Irfan Pathan to be selected. He played, 4 test match on Australian soil against Australia getting 12 wickets and those test were played at the age on 19 and 23 thats nearly Mithun's current age . Also to be noted that in his first 2 test he did not bowled much because he was young and had seniors to ball more overs. Coming to ODIs in Australia against Australia he have 19 wickets in 12 ODIs against Australia . Also he is having great form in Ranji this season he had taken 21 wickets in three Ranji matches, food for thought .

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 22:34 GMT)

@karan parikh well said, couldnt have said it any better.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 22:26 GMT)

People thoughts are that Umesh Yadav is not such a good bowler as compared to Vinay, Mithun but they did not noticed at least he can can hit around 150 kmph at Indian pitches so chances are there that he can hit 150+ on Australian pitches . Also he balls wicket to wicket so, there is lot of chances that he can pick wickets at Australian pitches plus he have a very good slower ball . Now, as far selection of Vinay Kumar is concerned I thinks he is okay at least he is performing when given chances . Now, I doubt selection of Mithun is ridiculous , I mean this guy has no experience what so ever, no great Ranji form , failed badly when given chances,no great bowling speed. Mithun has played 4 complete test matches and only took 9 wickets and 1 wicket in 4 ODIs and have economy rate of 7.05 in ODIs . In T20, his records are far worse with an economy rate of 9.00 . Imagine the future of Indian bowling lies in the hand of Mithun . I personally feels, it should be Irfan Pathan to be selected.

Posted by usernames on (December 9, 2011, 22:12 GMT)

Also, I don't see any issues with Vinay's selection despite my comments suggest otherwise. Vinay & Pathan should have been the two replacements instead of Vinay and Mithun. Pathan gives you a lot more options plus experience!

Vinay has been a good bowler, though not express, he's bowled well in whatever opportunities he's got. With time, he will improve, I am sure. He is hard working and bowls a good line & length. I don't think he'll get a place in the side but in case he does, I'm confident he'll do just fine.

Posted by zico123 on (December 9, 2011, 21:57 GMT)

we beg of you selectors pls replace Mithun and Vinay Kumar with Irfan Pathan and Nehra. Irfan have to be on the flight to Australia, pls pick him when he is in good form, if he is ignored like this, he will slip up again, if he is picked who knows he might find old touch and will resolve India's allrounder vacancy

Posted by dijkstras on (December 9, 2011, 21:27 GMT)

Some of the comments in Irfan Pathan's support are quite ridiculous. Firstly, he has been out of competitive cricket for so long due to injuries and this season (still un finished) he has bowled good but not great. And his batting hasnt clicked too. Irfan is perhaps a season away from attaining his rhythm. And people who are talking about Vinay's pace, he is far pacier than Irfan. Irfan was bowling at 120kmph in the Ranji games. Comparing speed, swing, fitness, wickets, avg - Mithun and Vinay trump Irfan in majority these areas. So be patient, Irfan is going to be back in a few months time.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (December 9, 2011, 20:51 GMT)

There must be an integrated plan between the BCCI and a young bowler's club team so that his workload is carefully planned and managed. IMO there is too much emphasis on the science and technology for cricketers. It's time they focused on the basics of running and proper diet and discipline-specific exercises including stretching and possibly weights depending on the individual's requirements. This will reduce the amount of injuries to fast bowlers and ensure that they have an uninterrupted time during the developmental phase of their career. It's a shameful waste when you think of what happened to likes of Agarkar, Nehra, Irfan Pathan, Balaji, RP Singh, VRV Singh.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (December 9, 2011, 20:50 GMT)

Yet again we are seeing the mismanagement of young Indian bowlers. Pace bowlers reach their peak form in all respects from about the age of 26 onwards. Before then it's all about learning their craft and looking after bodies to so that they can handle the demands placed their bodies at international level. India's young bowlers invariably pick up injuries and are then out of action and when they come back they are expected to perform at the same level as before the injury. And when unsurprisingly they don't because they lost a yard or three of pace , they are dropped and the next generation of young bowlers are then selected who then get injured, recover, picked again, dropped when they don't perform and the cycle starts again. This means that Indian pace bowlers rarely fulfil their true potential. IMO the right man to look after the youngsters is Venkatesh Prasad. BCCI please bring him back.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 20:50 GMT)

Wondering what is wrong with the selectors, Vinay and Mithun are ordinary bowlers. They neither bowl at a pace, neither can they swing, neither can they bat. Only selectors know what is their grief with Irfan Pathan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 20:18 GMT)

Selectors for Indian Cricket Team, Please bring in Irfan Pathan to the team and u will see how India is gonna perform against the Agneepath Series.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 20:04 GMT)


-> Note that Vinay Kumar was the highest wicket taker for India and overall 1st bowler among bowlers of all teams with best bowling average in the Emerging Players Tournament 2011 that was held in Australia this year that consisted of teams Australia,SA,NZ,Ind.India won that tournament.Vinay,Varun and Umesh have experience of playing in Australia while Mithun hasnt... Vinay is also among the leading wicket taker in ranji trophy for the past 2 years..The thing is Vinay is typically a very gud test bowler and he is made to play ODIs .....whereas Varun is a gud ODI bowler but poor in tests...

Posted by praveen4honestremark on (December 9, 2011, 20:00 GMT)

To all my friends here , i can say a thing. Indian cricket team can easily win over Australia team. I am not saying that because i am an Indian. It's like when you look the strengths and form of players and leaders who are leading them, all that matters. Indian team was pathetic in England, i agree. The conditions were seamy and there are mature Individuals in Indian team who have learnt lesson from England tour. And Indian bowling can Rip the Aussies batting apart, with some swing and accuracy. Eric Simmons is going to be great asset for India in helping Quick's. I expect this series will be tough for Clarke , an acid test for him. It will be hard to get into Indian top order this time around. Middle order will be managed by trio. Good Pacers with some quality swing bowling too will be great aid. I am sure that India will win series 3-1 or 2-0.

Posted by anexpat on (December 9, 2011, 19:49 GMT)

Both Vinay & Mithun are not the right choices.You can't call them fast bowlers. Irfan made his debut in Ausralia and had a dream run. I do believe he will be more inspired than either of the two mentioned above.One only has to read all the comments above to come to conclusion that how all want Irfan's inclusion other than the selectors.

Posted by TRAM on (December 9, 2011, 19:45 GMT)

Dear Selectors & Dhoni,,, Please bring in Rahul Sharma and play him , Ashwin AND Ohja all 3 spinners in the 11. Zaheer & Ishant/UYadav is enough for pace. If needed, Kohli can fill in with few medium pace overs (like Ganguly used to). The spin trio would be deadly for Aussies, since each one is unique skill and Dhoni can use them based on batsmen at the crease whether leftie or rightie, etc. India never ever ever ever never never destroyed oppositions with their pace bowlers - esp Eng/Aus/SA, because India never ever never never ever ever had good pace bowlers (ONLY exception Kapil). Dont follow the formula (3/4 fast bowlers in the 11) copying those countries. It will be do 3 fast bowlers in the 11. Please unerstand your strength and limits. And for god'sake please do 6+5 (batsmen/bowler). Plus you have Ashwin from the tail to show some batting.

Posted by vinay21 on (December 9, 2011, 19:24 GMT)

@santu21 well said!!! I completly agree with U...VInay and Mithun nxt superstars of indian bowling...

Posted by RaghuBose on (December 9, 2011, 19:10 GMT)

Congtratulation Shane Watson to score 300 or 400 with help of Indian selectors.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:50 GMT)

now i think the only to bring irfan back in the indian squard if anyone of those two (vinay or mithun) gets injured. Please god do some miracles. Get irfan in

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:44 GMT)

Pathan Should be selected in first place,rather than Mithun and Vinaya Kumar. We should give credit to people who are trying to earn their spot, rather than people who are showing good in shorter version of the game.Otherwise its going to establish a bat precedence.

Posted by AmazingGuy on (December 9, 2011, 18:39 GMT)

If there is another injury reported, the replacement can be anyone, even Joginder Sharma, but not Irfan. Or may be selectors can even ask Ravindra Acharya to come out and play, but Irfan???? NO WAY....Really very sad.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:31 GMT)

very strange decision, average bowler indeed. Shame about V.A - hope he gets well soon, he is the future.

Bowling attack of Zac, Ishant, Ashwin and Yadav isnt bad but back up of irfan and bhaji would have been better. We need some experience of people who have done well over there, this could damage a career of Vinay before it has started.

We should still beat the aussies.

Pujara also needs some more state cricket, he hasnt done well this last game for saurastra but he will get back to form soon. Him alongside, kohli and sharma is the future middle order.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:29 GMT)

Enough is enough!!! Vinay Kumar & Abhimanyu Mithun are below par bowlers who are just plain lucky! Irfan surely deserves a place in the side above Vinay & Abhimanyu.. He has 100+ wickets in both the forms of games.. Give him one bloody chance!!!!!!! I dont know what the selectors are playing at, but this is seriously insane.. Mithun & Vinay have performed only in the IPL! Their domestic career records are average at best..

We again have selected bowlers who bowl at 110-120 kph & we say we dont have quality bowlers!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:27 GMT)

i thnk instead of mithun, irfan pthan and instead of vinay kumar,ashish nehra is the best team for australia tour.....

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:25 GMT)

God only can save Vinay Kumar from Aussies.. Even a toddler can tell that how ordinary is Vinay Kumar , why d are not picking up Irfan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:17 GMT)

wht happened to ashish nehra, since aftr injury in world cup not been seen......he s the right replace ment.....

Posted by Vilander on (December 9, 2011, 18:14 GMT)

indian bowling in recent times, fast bowlers - yadav,aaron medium bowlers - r sharma slow bowlers - vinay, mithun,ojha,ashwin. vinay and mithun are legendary karnataka medium slow bowlers who trundle at great pace to deliver thunderbolts at 125ks, sight to behold. Vinay relies in swing, Mithun relies on his pace of 120 ks !!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 18:10 GMT)

I am an Irfan fan but guys be realistic..Irfan played 3 ranji games n got 21 wickets..he got 14 wickets in 2 games against weaker teams Haryana and Madhya Pradesh.He got 7 wicket haul against only 1 stronger team Delhi..but vats the big deal...Nehra also got 6 wickets in 1st innings of the match..and if anyone had seen live coverage on neo cricket,the delhi pitch was a greentop(nt a dry turner) as well as the pitch used for baroda vs mp match...

Posted by StopSmoking on (December 9, 2011, 17:52 GMT)

I am sure even Vinay Kumar would agree that Irfan should have gotten call ahead of him. This ridiculous!!! Again by Selectors! I am speechless! Sack these people, BCCI Come on!!!

Posted by ubermeow on (December 9, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

Oh Oh!, suddenly the fast bowler cupboards are going bare again, considering the number of first choice bowlers all getting injured. Pray, it is going to be a gruelling tour and we already are looking at having a PLAN C to be put in place. I am afraid we might be calling the services of Munaf Patel again - but this is no consolation since he's injury prone too. Vinay Kumar, Mithun and Pathan are not the sort of bowlers who can win matches for you. Somebody with a little more pace and guile is needed. like we did with Varun Aaron, a new and untried talent has to be scouted for us to make a comfortable journey to Australia.

Posted by micky123 on (December 9, 2011, 17:50 GMT)

Why the Fascination with Irfan Pathan? Just to layout the facts:

1) His speed has dropped below that of Vinay Kumar

2) Sure his last 4 games were good, but then do you look at 4 games or do you look at 4 years of consistent performance when making these decisions?

3) Vinay CAN swing the ball, i have seen it happen in Ranji!

4) Vinay is a hard-working and fairly fit cricketer

5) He was the highest wicket taker in the emerging players tournament in Australia! Did we forget that? This is the most important reason to back Vinay!

Vinays haters, let us give credit where it is due, he may not perform in the tests, but i sure as hell back him to the hilt as he represents our country!

Posted by amitoza on (December 9, 2011, 17:40 GMT)

Hit the nail on the head Gurlivleen Grewal. Complete agree with you.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 17:38 GMT)

this is getting ridiculous now ... I dont know how many people will have to get injured for Irfan to make the squad ... and VInay Kumai ???? ... common he isnt even good enough to play street cricket, a test match in Australia - Watson must be throwing a party tonight ...

Posted by amitoza on (December 9, 2011, 17:35 GMT)

Pls for God's sake!! Vinay is just an ordinary bowler. He is club class. Get in Irfan!! The tour down under is looking gloomy bcoz of inexperienced bowling.

Posted by vkypak on (December 9, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

i m from pakistan ....first of all to all indians many many congrats for viru knocks from my side......guys really i m shocked wat indian selectors doing.... i mean where is irfan pathan....i m very sorry to say that vinay is just mediocre bowler and i m sure many indians will agree.....pathan is a real performer and now he is performing in domestic matches pathan's record gud against mighty aussie , this was the chance varon got injured u shud hd been picked pathan but u selected vinay simply rubbish guys....i stil do hope india perform well in australlia but this bowling attack i dont think so guys.....

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:44 GMT)

Why the hell have they got Mithun for any form of the game.He isn't quick,doesn't swing the ball much,doesn't take wickets and is very expensive. Get Irfan Pathan,

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

why do selectors do opposite to what cricket fans want? We want Irfan Pathan in the team, simple as that. They didn't even pick him for the Indore ODI.What's the point? At least give him a chance for the Chennai ODI and then get him for the Australia One day series.

Posted by ansarahmadansar on (December 9, 2011, 16:36 GMT)

India need all rounder as irfan but some thing wrong with team selectors they are ignoring him but we will see soon he will play for india

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:34 GMT)

i hate tat bloody selectors.... all excepting IRFAN oly.. y the hell they r doing lik this nu i dont no....

Posted by shailbuch on (December 9, 2011, 16:31 GMT)

IRFAN PATHAN - Man of the Match at Perth.. The only victory of previous series... I wonder why people are talking about Zaheer, Harbhajan, RP... I would rather say ISHANT SHARMA ahead of Zaheer Harbhajan RP coz of the way he troubled a legend like RICKY PONTING who was in a very good form at that time... I am amused the way silently both the Karnataka Pacers with close to zero test experience and recent form have been picked without any fuss and Irfan being handed over a lollypop of 2 odis, one of which he hasnt been picked for!! Kris Srikanth and N Srinivasan are masters at doing this and amazing the way they successfully manage to do it every single time....

Posted by theswami on (December 9, 2011, 16:31 GMT)

The selectors it seems owe a particular gentleman from the IT City a huge favour. Therefore players he manages ( as well as selects for the local Ranji team) are favoured, thus boosting his portfolio. The man from the Hot City must be admonished for not considering players like the captain of the Ranji outit of his place, a man who was leading the Indian bowling attack before taking a prolonged break for recovery and has been performing consistently for 3 - 4 seasons hence as well as a rough old-timer who has just rubbed off well & is among the leading wicket -takers in the Ranji Trophy this season. This guy just single-handedly bowled out the men from the Land of the Eden Gardens in both innings.

Posted by Mashq on (December 9, 2011, 16:30 GMT)

Dhoni is following the foot steps of Ganguli in destroying the career of the yen cricketers. Irfan was selected but may be sehwag got instructions from blody illetrate dhoni not to includde him in playing 11.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:29 GMT)

I think we have lost our chance to win the series. aaron, umesh , zaheer and Ishant would have made a good bowling attack. Medium pacers like vinay at best can be containing bowlers, they can never run through a side…you have to look at indias record for that.

Posted by salam-india on (December 9, 2011, 16:26 GMT)

I am a Tamilnadu a tamilan i don't like the basics of indian they ignoring Irfan? and for you all..don't think that the tamilan don't want to see Irfan pathan performence in Indian team.. I took leave to watch 4th ODI for beganing of the match i was so sad and mad as Irfan is not playing 4th Sehwag mad 200 i was litbit happy but disapointed for Irfan.. :)

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:20 GMT)

@Abhijith Jagirdar .. we will soon find it out if they are better than Irfan... their record is pathetic against International team.. Irfan deserves to be given a chance to comeback .. not sure about Mithun but Vinay kumar is getting chances after chances .. we all know what Vinay kumar did in Eng in Seam and Swing friendly pitches...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:19 GMT)

@ALL WHO ARE CRITICISING VINAY KUMAR SELECTION..HAVE A LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING LINK PLEASE :;id=6593;type=tournament... Note that Vinay Kumar was the 2nd highest wicket taker for India and overall 1st bowler among bowlers of all teams with best bowling average in the Emerging Players Tournament 2011 that was held in Australia this year that consisted of teams Australia,SA,NZ,Ind.India won that tournament.Vinay,Varun and Umesh have experience of playing in Australia while Mithun hasnt... Vinay is also the leading wicket taker in ranji trophy for the past 2 years..The thing is Vinay is typically a very gud test bowler and he is made to play ODIs in which he is not too gud..whereas Varun is a gud ODI bowler but poor in tests....But I think Irfan deserved chance over Mithun but not Vinay..Mithun needs to polish his skills more...

Posted by deva606 on (December 9, 2011, 16:16 GMT)

i think before all this replaces please bcci replace srikanth as a selector

Posted by Raman.UV on (December 9, 2011, 16:16 GMT)

how come a guy like vinay represent us in Test ??? wat happened to RP, Irfan, Munaf, Nehra??? is viany better than any of these ???? this is such a stupid selection... he is such an ordinary bowler even in english conditions..... bad for indian cricket future

Posted by salam-india on (December 9, 2011, 16:12 GMT)

hey friends don't be surprised If Zaheer in unfit..Dhoni and Kris will select RP Sing.. :)...

Posted by svel on (December 9, 2011, 16:10 GMT)

vinay will prove that u r all wrong!

Posted by salam-india on (December 9, 2011, 16:08 GMT)

Somebody(MSD..and Kris) try to spoil Irfan mood (in form)..:)

Posted by idur on (December 9, 2011, 16:07 GMT)

dont reject vinay without reasons you are commenting as he as done something to you...........what umesh yadav has done why no words against him.everyone one was against sehwag till last night now no one talks talk after thinking think with open mind vinay and mithun may not be from north but they also belong to india............we love india we encourage indians talent from where ever he may be.........

Posted by santu21 on (December 9, 2011, 16:04 GMT)

vinay and mithun will rock in AUS they will b nxt srinath and venky........ this is to all irfan and umesh or varon fans......

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 16:02 GMT)

once again a poor selection. we need a player like irfan, selector can't justify why they avoiding irfan? even of him fine form, he didnt played in fourth game.. really shamed with Srikant with Irfan selection..

Posted by Romenevans on (December 9, 2011, 16:00 GMT)

Good call. Vinay is way way better than Aaron. Its not the pace only, you gotta swing it and set up the batsman with plans. Vnay is a hardworking cricketer and i know he'll do good there.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:58 GMT)

Dhoni needs to be carefull , his statistics for being the most successful captain can nose dive as the selectors are hell bent to spoil it by selecting military medium pacers like Mithun and Vinay. Mr.Dhoni act fast.

Posted by ganymede on (December 9, 2011, 15:58 GMT)

Vinay Kumar is an honest trier who has plied his trade successfully on the domestic circuit for quite some time now. He lacks pace but will give 100% effort--however it is unlikely to be enough against top quality test opposition.Abhimanyu Mithun is a young man who is extremely fit and athletic. He is promising but needs to develop his pace and conrol his line& length. If he keeps improving, he should be test match material in a couple of years. Irfan Pathan is far ahead of the earlier two in terms of talent and experience and seems to be in good bowling form at the moment, but one can never be sure whether this is a genuine comeback or simply another false dawn. It would have been better to have played him in the last 2 ODIs before taking a final call.With Praveen and Aaron out & Sreesanth as well as Munaf injured, the pace bowling cupboard is pretty bare at the moment..

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:56 GMT)

There we go again, another fast bowler injury. What's with the Indian fast bowlers, no sooner do they start playing, they get injured or loose their pace. Is there any kind of support structure in place or not. Varun Aaron is too young to be getting injured at the fall of a hat. Disappointing to say the least.

Posted by Vpx23 on (December 9, 2011, 15:54 GMT)


Posted by Percy_Fender on (December 9, 2011, 15:52 GMT)

Many people think that Australians are all from some other planet. They are all human beings. They should not think that the Australians have been playin cricket with wild animals. They are presently a teal on the rebound. Just because Cummins and Pattinson have done so well in their initial Tests does not mean that the Indians do not have the muscle to hit back. A combination of a fully fit Zaheer,Ishant and Yadav can give back to the Australian anything that they are capable of giving in bowling with the addition of Ashwin and Ojha.India has a much better batting line up in any case. Many comment makers had probably only been waiting for India to suffer the bad deafeat in England last summer to train their guns on India.The fact is that India is on a comeback and anyone in doubt of that is not a keen observer of the game.When Praveen was taken to Australia the last time people said the same things as they are now saying about Vinay. In my opinion, Vinay could be a revelation.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:41 GMT)

India have already won ODI series against West Indies. So, 5th ODI has no impact what-so-ever on the outcome of the series, except making it 4-1 or 3-2. Similarly, team for Australian Tour was already announced. It is unfair to wish some body should get injured and Irfan Pathan should b selected in that slot. Even if Irfan Pathan plays 5th ODI or not, no change in the outcome in the present series, and also the status of his selection to the Austrialian Tour. So, this debate will not serve any purpose, at least for the present.

Posted by r1m2 on (December 9, 2011, 15:38 GMT)

I think Umesh Yadav is someone to look out for. If Zaheer is fit, Umesh is fit and firing, and Ishant gets his groove back, Australia will be in big trouble against this pace attack. Would've been great with Aaron, because he's also very talented. I do not think much about Abhimanyu Mithun or Vinay Kumar's prospects in Australia.

However, good thing for India is that Australia plans to carry a walking wicket in their lineup for unforseeable future. India really needs to concern themselves with 5 real batsmen in the Aus lineup, and whoever gets Hughes' wicket, should consider it a gift from the Aussies. Aussies are nice that way. Out of the rest, Ponting remains the main threat, unless Ishant can once again neutralize him. Clarke is good, but can be handled by Yadav. Watson will be a bigger threat with the ball, but it'll be good if he bowls, then he's more likely to break down sooner.

Khawaja is yet to completely blast off. Marsh is not the great that he's been made out to be.

Posted by chetan129 on (December 9, 2011, 15:36 GMT)

Where is Sreeshanth ? Is he injured or ignored because of poor form ?

Posted by dariuscorny on (December 9, 2011, 15:36 GMT)

well,Aaron shud not be drafted so quikly into the team carrying injury,but if he gets fit in time he shud be sent at the mid of the test series,its sad no one can help injuries.hope he comes out stronger and more determined.Irfan shud hv been selected coz he has done well in the past Down Under.i hv got a feeling few more inclusions like Arvind ,Vijay.there are many promising younsters around but the selectors just dont want to see them.once again one qustion comes into the mind, "WHERE IS UTTHAPPA?".he is exceptional talent

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:32 GMT)

Pathetic Vinay just got lucky Why dont they try experienced Munaf and Irfan?? India is definitely gonna fell the heat Down Under with that weakest Pace Attack of this decade of India

Posted by ShashidharHundi on (December 9, 2011, 15:27 GMT)

I think it is a good decision given the circumstances. For sure, Vinay will give more than 100% on the field and he can swing better with red ball. Again he may just warm the bench unless Zaheer / Ishanth are not injured.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:21 GMT)

Are Srikanth and co. joking ? useless vinay is going to debut in test in Aus? Why not Irfan? logic. now Sreenath Arvind should be prepared to replace injured Zaheer........... What about Munaf......the unsang hero? Is Vinay better then munaf & irfan?

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:18 GMT)

Beleive it or not :: for most of the people vinay looks like a medium pacers .. for one who keen understands the bowler for test cricket .. Vinay is the right choice ; take a chance to blame when he under performs : if you want to criticize based on the current form , please watch the recent wickets taken by vinay at indian soil ::::: Cricket had lillees,akrams,donalds,steyn as well as Larsen , hansie cronje type of the bowlers ::: Vinay fits there .... beleive it or not captains love him in tests to bowl whenever they want him to bowl :: Im 200% sure is above average .. he is disiciplined , swings to take wicket ...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:15 GMT)

If Zaheer and Ishant get injured we are gonna repeat the England tour in Aussie land. The spin department is inexperienced and now the fast bowling i would rather say the medium pace dept is full of inexperienced players umesh, mithun an vinay!!! Irfan would have been a better choice with experience and swing!! Kris and other selectors have lost it completely!! Selectors are biased to the south players now as most of selectors are from south.

Some one compared Ifan with darren sammy. remeber the India tour of Pakistan where irfan swinged ball on flat surfaces and hit 140kmp frequently. It was the experiment by captain/coach to make him an allrounder he lost focus on his bowling.

He is a better and proven bowler than Mithun and vinay!!!

Posted by rshn on (December 9, 2011, 15:06 GMT)

Irfan has been habitual flop. Vinay has been bowling consistently, he hasnt been great. Vinay is still a better choice than Irfan who is not even playing well even in first class matches.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:06 GMT)

Gud choice for water boys ...vinay and mithun. Anyway zak, ishant and umesh will play with ashwin/ojha. Abu nechim was surely another guy with pace who cud have been a better bet for reserve back up.

Posted by jame_mids on (December 9, 2011, 15:02 GMT)

Bad selection irfan may be better option, he bowls faster than venay and have the experince in aus..... i think srikanth time is over he is preparing for sacking as chairman of selection committee :) and he should also select anirudha srikanth for vb series ..

Posted by rayfanatics on (December 9, 2011, 15:02 GMT)

Another humiliating loss coming up. Sorry to say but Vinay Kumar is not test material. Secondly for such an important tour, experience was needed in the field that wins you games and our bowling is basically in tatters. Oh Cheeka what have you done?

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 15:00 GMT)

It is utter nonsense to select these military medium pacers (Vinay and Mithun) to Australia, when they are being thrashed at will by this weak WI batsmen. I do not see either of them playing any test matches in Australia, unless Umesh or Ishant is injured.

Posted by Bruisers on (December 9, 2011, 14:59 GMT)

@priyeshm23 - Don't talk so lightly about Vinay and Mithun.. They are two of the best pacers going around in domestic circuit in India for about 2-3 years now. If anyone else like Irfan was picked, he would get hammered just like how RP Singh got in England.

Posted by cricketcrazy555 on (December 9, 2011, 14:53 GMT)

Somebody doesn't want to give a chance to Irfan Pathan, they knew if they he'll cement his place with his performance this time.

Posted by CandidIndian on (December 9, 2011, 14:52 GMT)

In current scenario,whoever goes wont make a difference.India's chances in Australia heavily depends on fitness of Zaheer ,him being leader of attack makes lot of difference.Yes people can say India managed to do well without Zaheer last time,but there is no Kumble to manage this time, while other experienced bowlers like Bhajji and RP are out of the team due to lack in form and fitness.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 14:41 GMT)

Same result will occur as happened in ENGLAND last Summer !

Posted by Nampally on (December 9, 2011, 14:40 GMT)

India needs Wicket takers rather than just replacement bowlers. Aaron should have been replaced by a spinner & Rahul Sharma would have been an ideal choice. Rahul was benched for 12 games before he got a chance to play in the XI. He did remarkably well to take 3 wkts. in his first 3 overs, all bowled. His fast bouncy leg breaks at over 90 KPH ar great on the Aussie pitches to give him lot of wickets. Vinay is just a another 130 KPH bowler who will bowl a few overs if he is in the XI and will be lucky to get any wickets. Aussies are used to faster pace at around 150 KPH. Without any mystery of cutters Vinay is just filling the void. India will most likely go with ZAK, Ishant & Yadev.India has a choice of spin bowlers Ojha or Ashwin. Aussies are weak against good leg spinners like Rahul.India need to be inventive & combat the Aussies with spinners.Lyon is doing well with his off spinners- a clear signal for India to focus on spinners to take wickets.Rahul is ideal guy on the OZ pitches.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 14:33 GMT)

Vinay kumar and Mithun can bowl faster than the overrated Irfan pathan but even these 2 r not great bowlers but better than irfan who is a darren sammy kind of a player bat a bit on flat pitch and swing the ball a bit on green top.

Posted by zico123 on (December 9, 2011, 14:31 GMT)

Vinay Kumar, Abhimanyi Mithun - wants going on with selection !! terrible, pathetic!! Ifran pathan is the best all rounder in the country and currently the best bowler in Ranji season also with 3 five fors, this selection begs explanation

Posted by Kalivarapu on (December 9, 2011, 14:31 GMT)

Vinay is very lucky..!! I do not know why selectors ignoring Irfan..!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 14:27 GMT)

this is a blessing in disguise!! Aaron would have benn hammered out of shape by the aussies. but of course, Ishant, Umesh n a fit zaheer should be the bowling attack.

Posted by Firebird914 on (December 9, 2011, 14:27 GMT)

Does MSD or K. Srikant have something against Irfan?? I have been wondering for a good year now. Vinay Kumar, I m sorry is not international material, we were in england and he got hammered in ODIs on bowler friendly pitches. Irfan can swing the ball a great deal and has shown hes good enough in AUS/ENG. Not playing him in the 4th ODI? what did Vinay Kumar do in that match? Dont you think you need a bowler who can bat well in AUS? If the pitches in AUS are like the current one against NZ, then batsmen will find it tough and Phatan would be killer on those pitches. SO SADDDD

Posted by muski on (December 9, 2011, 14:23 GMT)

Guys- the bigger news is yet to come- You will hear in 2 weeks that Irfan replaces Zaheer!!!. What on earth are these youngsters doing to their bodies. These guys have hardly played any cricket and get injured. Aussies will be lapping all these good news about our woeful bowling. Atleast bring in Munaf. He will bowl like a bowling machine.

Posted by zico123 on (December 9, 2011, 14:23 GMT)

why are the selectors ignoring irfan Pathan !!! terrible selection again

Posted by priyeshm23 on (December 9, 2011, 14:22 GMT)

India is going to be in trouble if any one out of Zaheer, Ishant or Yadav gets injured. If two of them get injured (which would happen by the Adelaide Test) then Ponting's return to form is inevitable. Anyone would like to bat when facing Mithun, Vinay!

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 9, 2011, 14:21 GMT)

Ok.. well I hate to feel cynical but after such a PATHETIC selection, it's safe to say Australia will win this series. Irfan Pathan should have been the obvious choice. I think Dhoni has a grudge with Irfan for some unknown reason. Srikkanth is turning out to be a reckless selector, much like the way when he was a reckless player. I feel that Irfan is ignored because he's an all rounder and can also bat. India feel they have enough batsmen to save them because Ashwin also bats. If that's the reason then I can ONLY feel sorry for the team. Pathan brings good decent pace with swing, plus he can bat well and the biggest factor of all - he's left-handed. Vinay Kumar and Abhimanyu Mithun are NOT test match players. They are AVERAGE and tend to bowl MEDIOCRE line and length. Mithun to a large extent is getting WHACKED by West Indian batsmen. Mark my words, Zaheer is unlikely for the Aussie trip. I don't think he's 100% fit yet. Anyway, the bowling department looks WEAK. India gonna LOSE.

Posted by mak25 on (December 9, 2011, 14:21 GMT)


Posted by cricketmaniagola on (December 9, 2011, 14:19 GMT)

good selection...vinay kumar has been more consistent performer in domestic circuit than any other bowler but why did they take Pankaj Singh on last tour to Australia and discarded him without trying ...its not necessary to select four rookies...for an important tour ...therefore..Nehra should have been there or even Lakshmipathy Balaji deserves a chance for comeback....he was leading the attack before that carreer threatening back injury put a stop on his progress.............Abhimanyu Mithun is a bad selection but it appears he is Duncan fletchers choice coz of the length he bowls.......

Posted by Patrick_ on (December 9, 2011, 14:17 GMT)

One good point is this series can't be worse than the England series. It can be only as bad as that !

Posted by cric_follower on (December 9, 2011, 14:16 GMT)

Irfan's non-inclusion in simply unbelievable. Vinay Kumar is not a test match bowler. You cannot tell he bowls any faster than Irfan and swings the bowl better than him. He has no experience playing test cricket. May be the captain does not like him. The board owes and explanation to its fans.

Posted by Sano27 on (December 9, 2011, 14:12 GMT)

Before 2 weeks we had a good bunch of pace bowlers,probably the bests to perform in down australian swinging conditions PK is a handy bowler though his pace below 130 case.....the likes of Aaron is what India need to restrict the australians.....remember what had happened in England after Zaheer missed out due to injury....similar conditions exists now too....lets pray Zaheer regain his full fitness & also Ishant & Umesh perform very well....Vinay is a hardworking lad who can bowl at a good line & length.....but dint have the calibre like PK be honest Mithun is a wrong choice.....the guy who lost all his control over the bowl at tough situations....we saw that many times in IPL & in the WI series too.....poor selection....even Munaf,Irfan are bettr.....lets hope everything turn around in India's favour...

Posted by Sarthak1305 on (December 9, 2011, 14:05 GMT)

I feel karnatka selectors are showing state favoritism. I mean there is now way there is place for both Mithun and Vinay Kumar on the same squad or there is a serious dearth of good fast and swing bowlers in India that we need to select these two

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 14:03 GMT)

@FoollyFedUp : spot on mate. @all guys who complain that vinay is military medium and takes wickets only in domestic cricket- what pace does does pathan bowl at?!! and he has only played 4 good matches. Also, this kumar vs pathan fight is senseless as none of them are getting into the team right now.!!

Posted by muksmoke on (December 9, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

Ridiculous Selection as far as Vinay Kumar & Mithun are concerned.Both of them are pretty ordinary bowlers.I have serious doubts over their caliber.Someone like Irfan Pathan and Munaf Patel or RP Singh would have been a sensible choice.Now we can only hope that Zaheer alongwith Ishant & Umesh Yadav remains fit for all the games and comes to India's rescue as both Vinay Kumar & Mithun are only going to be the tourist if these three remain fit.Had Irfan Pathan would have been selected it would have given us the right balance in both bowling & batting departments.Anyhow that's not the case keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:57 GMT)

lets hope Zak gets 100 % fit and with him let Ishant, Umesh play in that vinay will get less overs...he is suitable for ODIs certainly not for tests

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:55 GMT)

from tamilnadu or karnataka and you are team india wow.....where is nechim.where is irfan?shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:55 GMT)

agree with @Mohammed Wajahath Hussain....why not pathan...????

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:54 GMT)

I cannot think of any selection committee in history that has been as blatant in regional bias as this one .These selections totally defy any logic .I think all the selectors select the main team and then its the chairmans job to select the players as injury replacements so you get a pretty deecent main team and then when ijuries start happening you get players like VIjay,Mukund,S Aravind,Mithun,Vinay KUmar .Guaranteed that S Aravind is the next bowler down to Australia .Theres no sort of yardstick for selection ,none whatsoever .

Posted by atuljain1969 on (December 9, 2011, 13:50 GMT)


Posted by PiyushD on (December 9, 2011, 13:47 GMT)

If Vinay can be selected at 27 what wrong has Ashish Nehra done, he is by far the best available bowler in current set up and the mysterious case of ignoring Irfan Pathan...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:46 GMT)

Vinay Kumar in Australia.. What a disaster... Maybe he can spin the ball..

Posted by Prinzzzz on (December 9, 2011, 13:45 GMT)

nehra should b selected. he is in good form

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:39 GMT)

its very unfortunate.....missing irfan pathan

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:37 GMT)

very poor selection he is capable of bowling only lifeless Indian pitches

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:27 GMT)

Indian batsmen need to be very careful against cummins and pattison....dont repeat the mistake of england tour...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:21 GMT)

poor selection......irfan is the best choice in aussies..........

Posted by Raki99 on (December 9, 2011, 13:18 GMT)

Well, this series is over before even it got started, The Problem is the indian board is just not interested in playing the Test or winning the series. The problem is also that we don't have any fast bowlers who can bowl consistently at 140 k. Varun was good atleast he could bowl at 140 and this would have been good exp for him. But VINAY is just not good enough to play at the Test level and i only hope we don't get whitewashed like we did in eng. this summer. ZAheer has at the most couple more years left. But selectors din't had any choises, people wants IRFAN but even he is not a test match bowler he bowls as kumble speed. I have to say 2-0 or 3-0 to Australia.

Posted by mrcool on (December 9, 2011, 13:17 GMT)

Srikkanth purposely picking karnataka bowlers so that future chairman of selector will ignore robin uthappa and irfan pathan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:14 GMT)

Many people have criticized Vinay Kumar's selection but at the moment I think he's the best choice. He is in good rythym, and though inexperienced, he may still do some good. Mostly he will be used as a back-up bowler rather than frontline. I see, India has no other choice atm which could be a sign of concern. We need a good backup especially for paceman

Posted by VinodhG on (December 9, 2011, 13:11 GMT)

The Best selection comedy by the Indian selectors to this Aus Tour by a long distance.With no Disrespect intended towards Vinay or Mithun ,Irfan who replaced Zaheer as India's strike bowler during his prime is not even considered for the 4 th Bowler slot .<br> Not playing Irfan in the 4th ODi seems to be more of a political vendetta against Irfan within the Team and the Selectors.<br> It was atleast acceptable that Mitun was preferred over Irfan as the selectors maybe didnt want to take a decision on Irfan based on few match performances.But to overlook him in favour of Vinay is the biggest error made by this selection panel ever.<br> Vinay is not even the match of Irfan at his worst when compared to his swing and batting.So it seems that some parties doesnt want to see Irfan on that Australian flight,But with Zaheer not fully fit and to Ishant spearhead the attack, billions of Indians dream to finally cross the Australian Hurdle may be shattered even before the team lands in Aus

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:11 GMT)

Good selection. But I hope he never gets picked( That is Zaheer, Irfan and Umesh are all fitt). People here are crying for can we pick him when he has not done anything of note??? And people who ask for Rahul Sharma, instead of Ojha have to be crazy....drop a guy who won you the series and pick a new comer!!! Whoo!! nothing can be more illogical than this!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:10 GMT)

Irfan has already played in Australia and done phenomenally well and hes said to be as fit and bowling as well as before maybe even better so why take couple of unproven bowlers who for the brief time thdy have playef for India have shown no signs of being even close to the type of bowler that Irfan is leave alone his batting .with this selection chairman its almost expected guaranteed i say that the next bowler to Australia if another injury to arise wold be S Aravind .the same S Aravind who was hit for 10 runs an over in the recent champions trophy .its so futile and discouraging seriously to a true indian cricket fan . .

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:09 GMT)

The selectors are not at all interested to play Irfan Pathan. Were they really interested, they would have played Irfan in 4th ODI in the place of either Vinay or Mithun. Probably, they won't play Irfan even in the last ODI, on the theory that the winning combination should not be changed. Even if Irfan is played as a face-saving under public resentment, nothing great will happen. They will simply say that they can not select Irfan to Australia on the basis of just one ODI, which is a ready-made and tailor-made excuse. In that case, why selecting Pathan at all? I appreciate all supporters of a real cause, for raising voices against injustice and humiliation to a senior player, who wanted to come-back on the basis of his performance, and not through "back-door" methods.

Posted by singvel on (December 9, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

everybody back irfan, he is not doing well in domestic circuit also he pick wickets every time the opposition going past over 400 runs , this is not fair to say he in form

Posted by mrcool on (December 9, 2011, 13:07 GMT)

Selectors are very partial towards uthappa and irfan...they gave more chances to certain players like rohit sharma ,ravindra jadeja,parthiv patel and murali vijay..and look how irfan and uthappa getting just 1 match to perform.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:05 GMT)

What crime has Laxmipathy Balaji done? Why is he being ignored even after these numerous injuries ? Is he not even the 7th best fast-medium bowler in India?

Posted by g.narsimha on (December 9, 2011, 13:04 GMT)


Posted by Rajat_Mahajan on (December 9, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

Good to see so many I pathan Fans me too belongs to this category but for a second lets think logical Lets go point by point 1. Pathan has not played any international match from last 3 years all other are part of indian team in one or the another way it gives more comfort to captian to acomodate him. 2. If I Pathan is on tour and dint palyed a match as we have top 3 pace bolower ( Zaheer , Ishant , Yadav) then too its a west of an opportunity. lets hope that he keep up his good work and make a strong come back at right time.

Posted by sachinbkere on (December 9, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

why is evry1 slamming vinay?does irfan bowl at 145?noo he is bowling at around 115-122 in the ranji season,vinay has earned his place getting wickets consistently in ranji trophy and he has struggled only during the death overs in odis and bowled well with the new sure he well equip himself well...if he can rattle decent batsmen like jaffer,nayar,rohit sharma on a flat pitch in brabourne he can test the aussie batsmen too and who says he doesent swing it.....u guys are biased and not the selectors

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 13:03 GMT)

all the readers who decry vinay@mithun must peep backin to '79 in uk henry blofeld described our attack as'ragtag bobtail'outfit,&he regretted'80-81 ian commented we deserve to play africa not oz.he ate the humble pie.

Posted by WISHnU on (December 9, 2011, 12:59 GMT)

IRFAN...picked for last two ODIs to show his form....but not in playing 11 in the 4th odi....too ridiculous...i want to see Irfan in Chennai match....Lets hope he will get five wicket haul...

Posted by alfaomega on (December 9, 2011, 12:58 GMT)

I Thought the selectors had lost it when they selected Mithun for I'm sure they have lost it...these guys have no pace, no experience...they are getting slaughtered by a weak WI side at home. What can they hope to achieve in Australia. Even their club teams will whip them all the way back to Karnataka. The sensible choice would have been Irfan Pathan. He bowls at almost the same pace and is at least a useful bat down the order. True, even he will be whipped out of international cricket, but at least we would have placed our bets on someone who has some experience of Australian conditions...Mithun and Vinay...I'd rather go into a test with Rahul Sharma or Pragyan Ojha...even if its in Australia. Our only hope is that Zaheer, Ishant and Umesh stay fit throughout the test series.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:56 GMT)

For all those who are adverse to Vinay being selected, let us have a look at the choices available:- 1. Irfan - same pace as Vinay, probably even lesser. Given his lack of form when he last played test matches, if i were a selector, i won't have confidence in him yet. But then, Vinay does not give me much confidence either 2. Nehra- no way....he's more likely to break down than a 1950 model Ambassador 3. RP Singh - he's not even in the UP squad for Ranji 4. Dinda - picking wickets yes, but i won't risk a rookie. 5. Munaf - same as RP not even in the Baroda Ranji squad No other names come to my mind. where have the fast bowlers gone? Probably a toss up between Vinay and Irfan, but Vinay still wins IMHO. All we can now do is pray is that these backup bowlers are not needed at all there, which is highly unlikely.

Posted by playitstraight on (December 9, 2011, 12:53 GMT)

What has Vinay done to deserve a place in Tests? A time when Zaheer, Bhajji, Yuvraj, Raina, Kohli, and Rohit are trying to get in the Test team? I would at least expect Irfan Pathan to have come in, he has 100 wkts in 29 matches in Tests!!! and 2 10-wkt hauls!!!! Sadly, the Indian selectors have lost faith him and want to groom "new" talent, but Vinay has played 15 ODIs, taken 16 wickets at an average of 36 and his economy rate is 5.76!!! Come on now, even Mithun would have been a better choice. Hope that he takes it seriously and performs well in Australia. Good luck Vinay!

Posted by arsm25 on (December 9, 2011, 12:49 GMT)

Hope everyone touring does well to their expectations

Posted by Empty-Sequence on (December 9, 2011, 12:47 GMT)

Congratulations vinay!!! I really expect him to do much better than mithun and pathan(probably will be in squad as zaheer wil not survive all the 4 mtchs). Hope ishant hits some kind of form and umesh remains fit thru out the series.

Posted by rohanblue on (December 9, 2011, 12:46 GMT)

i wish india loses badly, may be another whitewash, our selectors will never learn frm their mistakes, this guy is a joke on fast bowlers, i hope india loses the series, so players like irfan and ashish cn prove their talent again...

Posted by Jayateerth83 on (December 9, 2011, 12:46 GMT)

This is nothing to do with Tenvic and also if Irfan had played last (Yesterday) ODI he would have made the cut. But still there lies a chance for Irfan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:43 GMT)

do we have a physio in the team???????????why is so many of our players getting injured????????????and vinay kumar????the guy was tonked in England. Irfan deserved a chance.........

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:39 GMT)

Still no Pathan.. even after watching Mithun and Vinay getting smashed to all parts... wat can i say..

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:36 GMT)

@Mani Chandru: Dude keep tour stats updated. A back injury forced Irfan Pathan to spend eight months on the sidelines after the 2010 IPL, and he missed the entire domestic season. However, he impressed during the 2011-12 Ranji Trophy, where he is the leading wicket-taker after four rounds..

Posted by India_victorious on (December 9, 2011, 12:35 GMT)

Selection of Mithun and Vinay is the best selection committee could do considering the options available.These two are presently the inform and consistent medium pace bowlers doing very well on Indian pitches for last 3 to 4 years. Vinay did well in the one day series against England and West Indies. Irfan, RP Singh and Munaf had their opportunities but are no more good.Congratulations to selection committee and best wishes to Vinay and Mithun

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:35 GMT)

nonsense and nothing else...

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (December 9, 2011, 12:30 GMT)

Again mistake by the selectors wby not IRFAN PATHAN is he just a time pass guy just call him and ask him to just sit in the dressing room and watch not played in the 4th odi wont be playing 5th and now not going to australia what happen to srikanth .

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:26 GMT)

Irfan deserves a chance but so as Vinay. His domestic record is better than Irfan's. He will be very effective in tests becuase he enjoys bowling with red ball (like most of swing bowlers). Starting from his debut season in Ranji, he has been performing consistently and works hard on his fitness, fielding & batting. Just because I am a big fan of Irfan, its not fair on my part to say, that Vinay is not a desrving candidate. All the best VK. Hope Irfan will play the final ODI.

Posted by rko_rules on (December 9, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

This is for Harsha Bhogle, who have written that we, Indians have to promote Cricket more and for any Indian team member who is reading. We are diehard fans of Cricket. BUT, if you are going to keep promoting 125k trundlers time and again, We are not going to watch Cricket. We have seen trundlers bowling for India for the last 40 years, sick and tired of this and they just keep on coming up with new trundlers. India has so much talent and so, so many fast bowlers. You need to find them, promote them, encourage them. For god's sake, just look at Vinay kumar, does he looks like a fast bowler to you. He is 5'8(average but very under standard for an Intl Fast bowler) and just a 125k bowler. Can he terrify batsmen with his bowling, No, Can he sledge like Sreesanth, NO. Can he swing like Praveen, NO. He can only gain sympathy instead of terrifying the opposition. Dhoni says, he wants spinning pitches. I say, brother, we dont have interest in Cricket anymore till you play proper fast bowlers

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:22 GMT)

Still no Ashish Nehra & Irfan Pathan.Bravo Selectors!!!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:13 GMT)


Note that Vinay Kumar was the highest wicket taker for India and overall 1st bowler among bowlers of all teams with best bowling average in the Emerging Players Tournament 2011 that was held in Australia this year that consisted of teams Australia,SA,NZ,Ind.India won that tournament.Vinay,Varun and Umesh have experience of playing in Australia while Mithun hasnt... Vinay is also the leading wicket taker in ranji trophy for the past 2 years..The thing is Vinay is typically a very gud test bowler and he is made to play ODIs in which he is not too gud..whereas Varun is a gud ODI bowler but poor in tests....But I think Irfan deserved chance over Mithun but not Vinay..Mithun needs to polish his skills more...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:06 GMT)

try and get sreesanth fit as soon as possible within 4 weeks and bring him in.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:05 GMT)

All you Irfan frenzy people face the fact that Irfan got fit only two months back. I know it will be exciting if Irfan gets his old magic back. But hey he didnt even play an odi in 2 years. Only god knows what makes you people back him so much. Vinay had done very well in the opportunities he got. He is no irfan. Agreed! But he had worked very hard and been consistent. Let irfan prove whatever he claims he is in the shorter format. And let's start respecting hard work and over charisma!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:02 GMT)

Ideally, we should go with Ishanth, Umesh yadhav, Zaheer(if fit)/Vinay Kumar and for spin with Ashwin and Ojha. Pity that Rahul Sharma has not been selected. On the true, higher bounce Australian pitches, he would have been very effective. Mithun may be hard working but the Australian batsmen will eat him. Any chance that he can be declared unfit so that we can take Rahul Sharma?

Posted by veerakannadiga on (December 9, 2011, 12:01 GMT)

@ Malolan2k mate just read the comments that are being posted on this page and you will see that there are unbiased people other than me who are also supporting Vinay Kumar and with good reason. If pace was everything than Shaun Tait would have been the highest wicket taker.Instead of sentimentally supporting a spent force like Irfan, wish Vinay good luck to perform well and make us Indians proud. Go Vinay Go. Jai Hind.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 12:00 GMT)

He desire to be in the happy to see two karnataka bowler's in the team.its remembering me the past where 3 bowler's were leading our nation...ALL THE BEST FOR BOTH vinay and mithun...

Posted by Raghavan_123 on (December 9, 2011, 11:58 GMT)

The team management certainly would have got a chance to look at Irfan Pathan and may not have found him impressive yet. Vinay siwngs the bowl and is way better than Pedestrian bowlers like Dhawal Kulkarni

Posted by chandy86 on (December 9, 2011, 11:54 GMT)

guys wait and injury 11 list is yet to come,then we see who are all gonna replace them

Posted by jitesh61 on (December 9, 2011, 11:52 GMT)

lol .. viany & mithun in Australia. :) .... Other players will have to run a lot on Ausiie grounds, to stop the boundries. I thought this time India had some chance to win a test series in Australia. But, after this selection, I m sure the history will be repeated. This guys can barely bowl a yorker or a good bouncer. Yes, Irfan pathan should have been in the team. His pace is equal as compared to both of them. But he is far better thn them.

Posted by Naresh28 on (December 9, 2011, 11:52 GMT)


Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:51 GMT)

what if zak is not fit...... bowling unit look like vinay, mithun, umesh hahah..

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (December 9, 2011, 11:50 GMT)

well, India desperately need ZAK back in the team. ZAK/Ishant/Umesh will be the best combination than Mithun, Vinay.

Posted by n_jraman on (December 9, 2011, 11:49 GMT)

i think its high time irfan get focus on playing club in australia and eng ..there is no point in proving selectors by taking wickets in ranji...feel pity for him...i can say that he has lost his rhythm..but even zak went offline for 1-2 years and then only came back strong...not sure whats the problem in taking irfan..ppl can bring RP singh from a holiday for 6 months and then ask him to bowl but no the guy who is in form...very strange....vinay is a offspine who bowl a medium pace.even if zak or ishant breaks i feel zinda or nehra/rp can be back not irfan..india is repeting mistakes and its going to be costly....

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:48 GMT)

Should give a chance to Irfan Pathan. They picked him for last two matches, but still didn't get a chance. will be bowl at least Chennai match? Don't know what these selectors are doing........

Posted by chaksiipm on (December 9, 2011, 11:48 GMT)

i don't think its a sensible selection , because if we look at our pace attack, every one is more or less the same kind of bowlers with same pace, there is no variation in our bowling lineup, and i think if they would have chosen irfan , it would have been a better choice rather picking vinay, some1 who was performing well 3 yrs back and his recent form is not so impressive. and some one who is in form in present has been denying by our cricket board. i didn't got the logic behind this, and he is quite an useful all rounder............ bad luck irfan...............

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:45 GMT)

Its clearly shows that Irfan PATHAN will not be in favour of these present selectors???

The only chance for Irfan Pathan to play for Indian Team is after these group of selectors are gone...

Lets see What Abhimanya Mithun does on tour to Australia??...

Posted by halish on (December 9, 2011, 11:43 GMT)

he he he super......!!!!!!!!!!!!! regain the same effort of english tour......

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:43 GMT)

When Siddle and Pattinson are bowling, the ball will reach the keeper at head high..but when our vinay and mithun bowl,dhoni will collect it on the 3rd bounce..Pathetic ..First it is Abhimanyu Mithun, Now Vinay Kumar, what have these guys done to go to Australia..Neither quick nor clever..Even recent Ranji record has nothing to speak about..Hard to think of these guys taking wickets in Australia. Irfan atleast has experience,good form,ability to swing and also batting to his credit.. Aussies will love these selections

Posted by jnanesh41 on (December 9, 2011, 11:42 GMT)

whats so special about irfan pathan??? yes he was a great bowler some time ago... he cant even take wickets in domestic matches...(except last 3 matches)..if he has found his form back let him prove tat in dis ranji season...its dificult to get selected just bcoz he took wickets in last 3 ranji matches...

Posted by switchgrind68 on (December 9, 2011, 11:41 GMT)

What is happening here is surely not selection, in plain terms it can be referred to as "picking favorites". I just don't understand the animosity for Irfan Pathan. Vinay Kumar has been given enough chances in the shorter versions and hasn't exactly set the stage on fire. Picking Mithun ahead of Pathan in itself was a bad choice, and now the number of bad choices has increased. After the addition of Abhimanyu Mithun and Vinay Kumar the Indian bowling attack looks pretty pedestal and surely not scary for the opposition. The addition of Irfan Pathan would have surely added a new dimension. Nothing against Vinay Kumar or Mithun but Irfan is a far better cricketer than both of them. There's surely something wrong happening here, and it's certainly not Cricket.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:40 GMT)

Firstly i was suprised to see that Irfan Pathan was not included for Australian TEST squad.. then when he was selected for the remaining matches of ongoing series, he was not even given a chance to play in 4th ODI.. Being a so experienced player presently in the squad in bowling department. Abhimanyu Mithun and Rahul Sharma was given more preference.. This clearly shows how Indian selectors lack in sense...

And Abhimanya mithun didnt even give good performance in both 3rd and 4th ODIs.

If they really didnt want to give him chance.. then it was better not to select him... Whats the meaning of getting an in-form bowler back to team and not giving him chance???

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:38 GMT)

good luck vinay...but i don't think its a good selection...irfan should have been selected...say if zaheer gets injured then we don't have the variety in indian attack: i think india doesn't have it in them to take 20 wickets ...indian batters must do the job...if not then it will be england dejavu all over again for india... its a bad decision to not to pick irfan... good for vinay though...good luck to him ...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:36 GMT)

A right choice. In fact, he should have been selected ahead of Mithun. Those vouching for Irfan, look he is just returning from injury. Agreed he has taken a few wickets in domestic circuit, but test matches are a different cup of tea. Vinay may or may not click, but you need to give this guy a break. He might just click.

Posted by Kashi0127 on (December 9, 2011, 11:35 GMT)

At last Vinay, you got the your chance that is so much deserved. Good Luck and go for it.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:34 GMT)

really a loss..aaron can hit 150 need to again see oz bowler hitting indian 120 kmph..with ease..back to the days of 60s indians never view fast bowling as important

Posted by AtticusFinch on (December 9, 2011, 11:33 GMT)

Mithun and now Vinay Kumar! Tenvic rules!

Posted by Rohan_K on (December 9, 2011, 11:32 GMT)

This is sheer South Dominance in selection panel...VINAY KUMAR & MITHUN dont deserve to play test cricket. Dhawal Kulkarni selected for NZ tour in 09, did not play a game, he had three good domestic seasons yet to no avail. Vinay and Mithun both have played awfully in whatever chances they got. Gave too many chances to Mukund, Vijay, Karthik, Vinay, Mithun and the worst Sreenath Arvind also got picked. Vinay, Mithun, Aravind what an awful karnataka attack...There was atime when they had legends like Javagal Srinath, Prasad, Kumble, Joshi.... Dhawal or Irfan should have been given the nod...

Posted by san00 on (December 9, 2011, 11:29 GMT)

If one among, Zaheer, Umesh Or Ishant could not play any of the tests then India's chances will reduce by 50% as we will have to play either Mithun or Vinay. Aussies will feast on their bowling. Useless selection. One Left arm seamer and 4 Right armers, why can't you pick a balanced side, Mr Selector?

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:25 GMT)

I'm sure Arvind is next in line of THE CHOSEN ONEs. Cant see any logic behind this selection. This is downright ridiculous! Selectors, Get it .. WE WANT IRFAN PATHAN....!!!!

Posted by Beertjie on (December 9, 2011, 11:24 GMT)

I agree entirely with Gurlivleen Grewal's email. What might save India is the inexperience of the Aussie attack, but if Harris partners Pattinson and a third seamer, India are gonners. Sure the batsmen will score runs, but what a powder puff attack (Zak and Ashwin excepted). Here was an opportunity to add a possible all-rounder so as to make a contest of it, once India fall behind in the series. Now they have to hope that the Aussies slip into complacency!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

Aaron injured ..okay..gulp gulp...was it while playing football or after he had tea and french toast on Thursday morning....anyways lets not crib about it...but in comes Vinay Kumar..omg!! Chikka wass up.????...for wat reasons Mithun was selected over Vinay when Pk got wen u already have mithun..wats the harm in taking another left arm seamer wo could really bat questions over Mithun or Vinay's capability...but isin't Irfan in the Squad brings more variety..100 wickets in 29 test and scored runs at 31+ average..he ain't tat bad...u took RP as a replacement wen ZAK the ripper got teared..i meant pun intended...ZAK hasn't played 1 entire series of 4 test matches abroad n i rem . Boycott sayin i bet my 2 million pound house if he plays an enitre series disrespect ZAK is phenomenol ..u need another seamer..c'mon.. now dnt temme u r waiting once Zak got injured u'll have irfan replacing him...Irfan has played down under at least he can acclimatize

Posted by pavannayak on (December 9, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

Wow great one from selectors..keeping faith in younger lot..i still believe these bowlers will get lot of assistance by Australian pitches with bounce and swing. Hope whole lot come up with good performances which their senior pals failed to do on several occasions. Cheers:::...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:20 GMT)

pure idiotic call.. soon indian test ranking will move to 5th

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:18 GMT)

How can a bunch of experienced people have no cricketing common sense in selecting the team? At sometimes they pick players on the base of statistics and sometimes based on expectation levels and sometimes based on form. What they lack is consistency and plan in selection.

Zaheer, Ishant & Yadav will be the pace trio. The two that need to tour with this trio should be Munaf (line, length and someone who can hit the deck regularly) and Irfan (as it lends variety to the attach as apparently he has got his inswingers going). Rahul Sharma's wrist spin should be preferred to Ojha (as an exception) as conditions will suit Rahul more than Ojha. Mithun has failed to impress. He will be butchered badly even by the domestic sides in the practice game. Vinay is a hard working bowler and I can only hope he does well. A sigh of relief as these intelligent bunch of experts have not summoned R P Singh to join the tour <wink>

Posted by Ramesh_Joseph on (December 9, 2011, 11:17 GMT)

I think Anil Kumble's Tenvic enterprises will see the death knell of Indian cricket. Mithun, Vinay Kumar and who next if Zaheer gets injured? G.Aravind?? There are so many promising fast bowlers in the country like Abu Nechim, Ashok Dinda, Manpreet Gony...all doing well in the domestic circuit, we have to take a 27 year old trudler. As for Irfan Pathan, everyone is going crazy for him but in Ranji Trophy he is bowling at speeds of 118 to 120 Kph. The Australians are going to thrash these bowlers. Our only hope is to pray that Zaheer, Umesh Yadav and Ishant remain fit throughout the Test series..otherwise the hiding we got in England is going to look like a picnic.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:16 GMT)

thy r ignoring irfan pathan, ashish nehra, munaf patel, RP Singh............

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:14 GMT)

Irfan Pathan deserve a chance ahead of all this bowlers..we need a good allrounder which irfan is.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:13 GMT)

I dont get this when people who badly wants irfan pathan into the team and the same time they are blaming vinay kumar speed . atleast vinay bowls faster than miltory medium of irfan. Vinay kumar and mithu performed well in domestic for 2 seasons now so they are selected ,where irfan is just started playing good . Irfan has to wait u cant select a players bcos he played well in 2 games in last 2 season.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:12 GMT)

dhoni n srikanth wants to destroy irfan pathan, he was selected for final 2 odis so that he could miss ongoing ranji matches n sum other bowler take his position as top wicket taker in ranji season. srikant has been the worst selector, the duty of selectors is to select few players rest of the palyers themselves gets selected. people might say he selected world cup squad but all the players except piyush chawla themselves got selected n piyush chawla was not a good selection made by him srikant is a looser...

Posted by vamshi_teamindia on (December 9, 2011, 11:11 GMT)

BADDDD SELECTION!! i dont understand the strategy of these selectors. MITHUN NAD VINAY ARE UNFIT FOR ANY FORMAT OF CRICKET!! i dont even understand why the bowling unit is SOUTH HEAVY!! i feel for IRFAN PATHAN wat a superb bowler he is.........and more importantly he is in gud form!! IRFAN PATHAN WAS THE MAN OF THE MATCH IN PERTH TEST LAST AUSTRALIAN TOUR........WHICH WAS THE ONLY WIN FOR INDIA! BADDDD SELECTION MR.srikanth...........too bad

Posted by FoollyFedUp on (December 9, 2011, 11:10 GMT)

Can some one tell the folks out here that old reputation does not get wickets, at least in Australia. Irfan Pathan gets regularly slaughtered in IPL, forget domestic cricket. Vinay is a sensible choice. If guys want India to lose because Pathan is not there, so be it. It was always about personalities in Indian cricket. Sachin's 100, even if India loses. Crazy.

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (December 9, 2011, 11:09 GMT)

I'm sorry. No disrespect to Vinay and Mithun. But, they are average bowlers. Aaron will be a big blow.So, will be Praveen Kumar - the only bowler who deserves a test match berth although he bowls at 120-130. Vinay and Mithun not only bowl at pedestrian pace, they do not have the skill and will never worry the Australians. Pathetic selection. I would have rather have gone with Irfan although he had completely lost it after rising to fame. Pathetic. Think this tour will be disastrous as well. Cos, with Zak u just do not know. Doubt he will be 100% match-fit come the boxing day test. Ishant is off the boil totally, not consistent at all. The only bowler who looks like troubling the Aussies is Umesh Yadav. In this scenario, I think India should stick to it's strength and play two spinners. Ashwin is the #1 choice, then I guess Ojha. Or maybe Rahul Sharma.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:08 GMT)

this totally pathetic, the selectors seem to have lost their minds

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:06 GMT)

worst decision......irphan shld have been there............

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:06 GMT)

It is heartening to note Vinay kumar at last got an opporunitiny to play is Test matches against australians. It was over due. He is hard working and a very good swing bowler. Pray he brings laurels to the country along with his state mate Abimanyu Mithun

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:05 GMT)

giv a chance to irfan yaa selctorsss................wats goin on???

Posted by MalolanR on (December 9, 2011, 11:04 GMT)

@veerakannadiga......Lol at u.....u are the only 1 who wants Vinay In The Team Instead Of Irfan......Australia Is A Place Where A Fast Bowling All Rounder....Thats The REASON Irfan Is Recommended Instead of Vinay

Posted by veerendrac on (December 9, 2011, 11:01 GMT)

Vinay has performed in Ranji matches season after season, and he richly deserves the call for National duty !

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:01 GMT)

Selectors for some odd reasons aren't taking into consideration other bowlers. Dhawal Kulkarni doesn't seem to be in the short-list all despite being the highest wicket taker in Ranji trophy matches this year. Then, Jaydev Unadakt, who played in South Africa, has been forgotten. Tamil Nadu's Yo. Mahesh has come up with some devastating spells in Ranji matches this year. Of course, the selectors could have waited to see how Irfan fare by giving him a chance in Chennai one-day match against the West Indies.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 11:00 GMT)

Good luck Vinay... Go for it.. Vinay will shine in Australian pitches....He did so well for Karnataka in Ranji..that too in lifeless Indian pitches. He deserves a chance.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:57 GMT)

If India had a choice of bowlers who could blow away players of the calibre of Ponting, Warner, Clarke and Hussey through sheer pace, it would have made sense to pick them. Even the quickest of our FAST bowlers would not make such world class batsmen hurry to pick the line, lest lose sleep playing the pace. Srikanth and team have done well to pick thinking bowlers like Vinay. If he can fox the best of Indian Ranji batsmen on batting tracks, he can do as well in better bowling conditions in Australia. If you are not bowling at 150, it does not matter if the guy is Varun Aaron or Joginder or Irfan or Mithun. They are all the same.

Posted by RagsGH on (December 9, 2011, 10:55 GMT)

It is a very good decision. Vinay deserves the place in test squad. I don't know people are contiguously behind him to criticize. I agree Irfan is a good bowler but he got many chances to prove himself and failed. It is time to move on. Am sure Vinay will play a good cricket if he gets a chance. He will be a another Praveen Kumar. He can bat also if required. I wish him to raise up the speed to 140 kmph. Good luck Vinay. Prove all wrong who are talking about you.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:54 GMT)

second bad selection in three the selectors,,,,i cant understand how can they ignore the player like irfan and select bowlers like vinay and mithun who are smashed all around the park by windies.....this is what partiality.........if zak will not b fit in time then this will b the repeat of england series..............

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:53 GMT)

Great opportunity for Australian batsmen to retain their forms.

Posted by jana8k on (December 9, 2011, 10:52 GMT)

Very Very bad selection.No pace in vinay kumar bowling.They should have select Irfan

Posted by Recordkar on (December 9, 2011, 10:51 GMT)

Why so many people crying for Irfan? Is he a McGrath or Akram to get such a support. Let him play one full season of Ranji and perform there against better batting line ups like TN and Karnataka and Mumbai. No point in considering the last 3 matches for selection. Pathan is an ordinary bowler and instead they can pick any batsman like Manoj Tiwary and ask him to bowl few overs. When Vinay was the second highest wicket taker few years back, why was he not selected to represent India? By far Vinay is better bowler in Tests than most of you think. Come out of T20s and follow some domestic matches(longer format) to know what each bowler is capable of. If at all they had to ignore Vinay, chance should have gone to either Dhaval Kulkarni or Sudeep Thyagi for their performances in the last many seasons.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:48 GMT)

Good to see vinay in test..He deserve that..

Posted by Yolk_Eater on (December 9, 2011, 10:48 GMT)

I will happily have Ajit Agarkar in place of Vinay Kumar...

Posted by Scrop on (December 9, 2011, 10:48 GMT)

I feel there is an issue between Irfan and somebody in the Team India, May be Dhoni. Else I cant find a reason to pick Vinay ahead of Irfan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:48 GMT)

hmm this guy has potential..but lets see how much he is using it and making his selection valid

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:46 GMT)

Selectors have proved themselves as jokers by selecting vinay kumar ahead of Irfan Pathan, whom aussies would play even with there eyes closed or sleeping on the bed on the wicket and will play him without any difficulties. I don't know what wrong has Irfan pathan done for selectors to ignore him time and again. He is fresh,raring to go then why not include him?? I hope vinay kumar breaks down with injury and pathan gets in that would be perfect or else i dont see this team picking 20 aussie wickets.

Posted by nkoch on (December 9, 2011, 10:44 GMT)

Vinay Kumar? Is this a joke? He could not make it to WI/ENG in Tests and in Eng ODI he took 2 wkts in 3 matches. Is HE going to be your pace bowler down under? He wasn't even considered during replacement of Pravin Kumar. Why now? Favorites getting picked again??

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:43 GMT)

im doubtfull...that srikanth might have some deal with Karnataka cricket board, as giving preference to those guys (vinay & Mithun) who haven't shown any selectable performance or any capability....they are just normal bowler...No way that these guys can included in forcomming Australian tour..........we are so exited to see india in austrailia................selectors please dont'd destroy our interest

Posted by ramli on (December 9, 2011, 10:42 GMT)

Why there is such a hue and cry about Irfan .... is he express pace to be picked immediately in any Indian squad? ... he has shown promise on return from injury break ... he got selected for 2 ODIs ... but team management brought in R. Sharma ahead of Irfan !!! It does not mean neglect ... may be others are equally good ... So,he has to wait to get a break ... as did many others before him ... there is no short cut ... till then .. continue to take wickets in ranji ... OK ... God bless everybody

Posted by IndiaNeedsBowlers on (December 9, 2011, 10:41 GMT)

When I saw the title I was expecting the comments. A few points for people to consider: 1. The rate at which India's fast bowlers get injured, I wont be surprised if Irfan pathan plays the 3rd test at Perth. (He could even be called before that.) Don't blame selectors, this is a master stroke to keep Irfan fit for Perth (pitch more conjucive for fast bowlers). 2. Vinay Kumar should have got his chance. He can swing the ball, and with Praveen Kumar out, he does take that place of medium pace swing bowler. Basically India has Zaheer - left arm fast medium swing, Vinay Kumar - Right arm medium swing and then Umesh & Ishant Right arm fast medium - seam bowlers. 3. Too early to write India off 4-0. I think India lost in England more because of the failure of the batsmen than the bowlers.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:36 GMT)

bad selection for vinay kumar he's waste for ever...i think irfan is best for mithun and vinay....BCCI once again go to wrong selection

Posted by AviDG on (December 9, 2011, 10:31 GMT)

Again a mediocre selection. A fast bowler who bowls at 130-135 kmph.

Posted by veerakannadiga on (December 9, 2011, 10:31 GMT)

Good luck Vinay. He has done well for Karnataka in the Ranji for sometime now.His bowling is more suited for Tests than ODI's.Get a life people,Irfan is no great shakes. He is a has been. Whatever talent he had, wore off after his first two seasons. Money & fame has nestled him on a high horse which he simply can't get down from.He is a spent force.So lets all forget about a no gooder(Irfan) and get on with the game.All the Best Vinay. GOOD LUCK INDIA.

Posted by Prakhs on (December 9, 2011, 10:30 GMT)

I would have loved to see Irfan Pathan back in the Test side but great to see Vinay Kumar in the reckoning. He is one very commited and dedicated player. Irfan can get carried away at times but none of that can be expected from Vinay Kumar. Way to go selectors, its not easy to satisfy everybody. Hope Irfan gets an opportunity to play the VB series that follows the Tests.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:29 GMT)

I am not sure what is in the minds of the selector? Why did they include Irfan Pathan in the remaining WI ODIs? If he is not the part of the playing 11, then there is no point!!! Anyone would guess, that since he is included in WI last 2 ODIs, and since, he also has the prior experience of Australian conditions, there is no doubt of him not getting picked for the Aus tour!!! I hope not, but what if 4-5 players (similar to Eng tour) get injured during Aus tour and then selectors have no choice but to pick Irfan then.. Do they remember, Dravid declared his announcement from hours within selectors announced his name for Eng ODIs, during recent Eng tour!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:26 GMT)

i dont believe this do the indian selectors have a hatred towards ifan pathan going into a tour down under with only 2 bowlers who played there before with one not even fit to play as of now this is ridiculous.......

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:26 GMT)

This is a selection without any rationale. Irfan Pathan who is in form now with his swing and thats what in the recent past has caused problem to the Australian batsmen. Take example of SA, where they got out to Philander, a swing bowler who was the slowest among the him, steyn and morkel. You should pick a bolwer in-form. I think this decisiion would come back and bite the selectors. Kris Srikanth is heel bent not to select Irfan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:25 GMT)

One of the most poor selection of recent time by the selector. Vinay is not even fit for ODIs. Rather than picking a bowler with a speed of 120 kmph, they could have picked some spinner. Trust me, the result is going to be 4-0 in favour of australia.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:25 GMT)

no idea why indian selectors are ignoring irfan pathan bowling all-rounder and very handy batsmen lower down the order in Australian conditions , if they are not satisfied with irfan performance then why did they select him for last 2 odi against west indies , at least he mit had played in ranji match against Gujarat... srikanth wake up ....

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (December 9, 2011, 10:24 GMT)

I am sure even Jogindar Sharma will get chance ahead of Irfan Pathan!!! . With due respect to all other bowlers like Mithun,Vinay or Sharama, Irfan is best among the bowlers. Considering His current form,Batting,experiance and match winning capability , He must have boarded the flight ahead of other bowlers!! We can not understand selection logic because the reason is beyond cricketing reasons!! very sad indeed :-(

Posted by SportsAce on (December 9, 2011, 10:23 GMT)

Abhimanyu Mithun already in and now Vinay Kumar - no pace and no swing. Indian bowling will just be cannon fodder for the Australian batsman who face such bowling day in and day out.

Posted by nkoch on (December 9, 2011, 10:23 GMT)

he's been rewarded for his excellent performance during English test series. what a waste

Posted by MerajusSalekin on (December 9, 2011, 10:22 GMT)

What seam experience India would be carrying to Australia, only half fit Zaheer? Irfan should be given a chance here, else there is no point calling him back if he doesn't fit in the scheme of things for the tour down under. Even if he is considered only for ODI's, he should have played the last two ODI's against WI or he'll be directly landing in Aus to play an ODI after 3yrs!!!

Posted by adyy0902 on (December 9, 2011, 10:20 GMT)

V.v. Bad on part of indian team and varun arun. But the worst of it is that the replacement named as vinay kumar, irfan pathan shuld hve been named now, after selector's having already made a blunder by picking unimpresive mithun first nd now vinay kumar. I thnk this team wl nw get a huge pounding and a repeat of eng. Series is now very much on cards. Watch out u bunch of fools i.e. The selector's of bcci.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:19 GMT)

the selection is to say the least awful

Posted by raja9787 on (December 9, 2011, 10:19 GMT)

Vinay???? In Australia??? haha.. better take rahul sharma.. he can bowl faster and may get few wickets..

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Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:13 GMT)

I THINK I pathan is good then Viny kumar I pathan have ability to take wicket and also bat but it is will be diffcult for india in Austrlia patches I pathan is good to give him chance in Test cricket

Posted by AjitDJ on (December 9, 2011, 10:12 GMT)

Is this a joke? Why not Irfan Pathan at least now?

Posted by Arjun_CB on (December 9, 2011, 10:12 GMT)

I am very much dissapointed by the decision. What made them to select Vinay again and again.. ?? how can we call him " Quick Bowler? " .......... i dont have a faith in him........

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:11 GMT)

oh wat the hell yaar??? y vinay? who just take 8 wickt in 6 inngs b irfan took 21 wickts in 6 inngs...n vinay gave 34 runs in just 4 overs in last odi

Posted by Chapel on (December 9, 2011, 10:10 GMT)

india wil once again be thrashed 4-0 in australia. Why Dont they pick Irfan pathan. They have picked him for oneday series but did not include in the playing eleven. I am a better bowler than vinay kumar

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:09 GMT)

i think bcci dont want to grrm irfan pathan as a all rounder .continuous negligence towrds irfan patahn will spoil his international carrer . now a days india is winning the matches because because of theier strong batting line up . it doenot mean that they should not develop a allrounder .after all its a matter of bcci i dont know what irfan has done wrong and why bcci is not looking him for the inclusion in playing x1 .but i think they will loose one of the great all rounder .if they will not groom hiom

Posted by sachinbkere on (December 9, 2011, 10:09 GMT)

this is tragedy....not particularly for the indian team cos varun aaron is a spray gun with a first class average of 40...and he cant be picked just cos he bowls 140.we get tooo excited by pace in india ,its swing that has won us games abroad...sree in joburg,pathan,rp and ishanth in perth,zak in nottingham and sreesanth in durban....however this is tragedy for karnataka cos we hav already lost mithun and for the knockouts of the ranji trophy ,our attack will be inexperienced....hope akshay and aravind step up to the plate and end karnataka's ranji drought

Posted by MathewsAdelaide on (December 9, 2011, 10:09 GMT)

Bad luck - Aaron, Once again Irfan Pathan ignored, if Zaheer doesnt get 100% fit for Aussie series,seems it is gon to be a disastrous tour again like England. where is Nehra?? Is he fit to play test cricket?? or ignored?? Need to wait and see how Ashwin play in Australia, India needed some experienced pace bowlers for Aussie series. Ishant is nowhere near the last Australian tour, fortunately most of the Aussie front line fast bowlers are injured, BUT just remember their new comers pattinson,starc all are in very good form...

Posted by Farce-Follower on (December 9, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

Good choice...he deserves it...has always performed well in domestic cricket.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

its a gd muv by bcci to replace the varun by vinay as it can help india to tour aus injury fre nd eng disastours tour could nt happen once again.

Posted by DilipanMA on (December 9, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

I dunno what the heck s wrong with the selectors, Why not Irfan? This is too much.. @@@

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:07 GMT)

Who is blocking entry of Irfan patan's entry to team it captain Dhoni or selctors?..definetly some non circketing reason blocking Pathan's re entry definetly not performance.

Posted by VinodGupte on (December 9, 2011, 10:06 GMT)

at this rate of injuries, it won't be long before the likes of Agarkar and VRV singh are made to travel. not a good news at all. one only hopes that ZK is fit before 26th.

Posted by arungv on (December 9, 2011, 10:04 GMT)

Good move by the selectors to include Vinay in the team. He was prolific when the Indian Emerging players team Visited to Aus recently. All the best for him.

Posted by Vijayendra on (December 9, 2011, 10:03 GMT)

Captain of the Dibbly-Dobblers XI finally makes it Australia.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:03 GMT)

What injury? Amazing??? Selectors selected Pathan.. He is warming the bench... no w vinay is given the chance.. what is up the sleeves of indian selectors is no body's guess

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:02 GMT)

Vinay Kumar is good pick for odi........But in test matches its five day cricket u need some pace who can bowl quick and surprise the batsmen of australia and pick wickets...He is bad choice ahead of irfan pathan,so disappointed of selectors not picking him for the australia tour he had already got the experience of previous two tours and he had done exceptionally well in the australian seaming conditions......The captain had to pick good pick fast bowlers....BUt he is picking military medium stuff bowlers.....even though he will be sitting in the 15 members squad,not in the playing its not fair enough discuss vinay kumar selection..........

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 10:00 GMT)

With 4 slow bowlers - Ojha,Ashwin, Mithun & now the fastest of them all Vinay Kumar...India will surely take 20 wickets in Australia...but in 4 tests put together...Ricky Ponting must be laughing somewhere. Hope Indian selectors have not planned to bore Aussies into getting out..ha ha ha

Posted by hard_hitter_guy on (December 9, 2011, 10:00 GMT)

Why still no Irfan? he was not included in the team in the last odi against WI also? Are Vinay and Mithun more penetrative than Irfan. I don think so. Irfan is more experienced and had some success in Australia in the past also. Irfan's experience should have come in handy in Australia, as Zaheer is doubtful and other bowlers like Umesh, Mithun, Ashwin, Ojha are inexperienced. Is Ranji performance is not good enough to win a spot in the squad or the team mgt have anything against him?

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:59 GMT)

What the did he manage to get injured so quickly...he just barely came into the international arena?and why on earth is vinay kumr the replacement?hope Zaheer returns and there are no more injuries...

Posted by RajKumarGoyal on (December 9, 2011, 9:59 GMT)

Wait, I heard this story already.. Now bowing department is over. We can see from tommorrow Gambhir,Sehwag,Rohit are out due to injuries.. And the result is again a 0-4 ???

Adding more.... what the Hell... what these selecrtors think? Why not inform and experienced Irfan?? Irfan was dropped from the team as he was out of form.. not he is in form.. what the hell they expect from him to come back into the team?? Shame on selectors.. is Mithun or Vinay are better bowler than Irfan.. Real turn back for Indian cricket? 2 karnataka fast bowlers? Never mind where they come from.. but why picking a debutant ahead of inform Irfan.. a common cricket fan's agony. Now Australia has the advantage. yes the result is more likely to be 0-4 for the Indians.. shame on you Srikkanth.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:58 GMT)

Its a funny selection, leaving out Irfan Pathan(who has got his swing back) for a bowler that bowls just line and length at a speed of 120-125kmph. Vinay Kumar has taken a few wickets in one day internationals but that was against not so good batsmen, whatever it is.. its a very very poor selection.

Posted by rishab.cricfever on (December 9, 2011, 9:58 GMT)

I was surprised when Mithun was picked ahead of Pathan in d first it has gone insane !!

Posted by LillianThomson on (December 9, 2011, 9:57 GMT)

India's selectors will clearly do anything not to send Irfan Pathan to Australia. First they called him up for the last two ODIs v West Indies - only to leave him on the bench. Now Vinay Kumar goes to Australia, perhaps as reward for yesterday's figures of 4-0-34-0? If Ishant Sharma and Zaheer Khan break down they are obviously more likely to call up Sidhu and Madan Lal from their middle-aged retirement rather than pick Irfan Pathan.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:57 GMT)

bad choice irfan should be there.

Posted by vijayroy on (December 9, 2011, 9:56 GMT)

Now, i am dam sure that India will loose this series by 3-0..... Why Vinay Kumar for a test in Australia........... Why??????????????????

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:56 GMT)

Varun misses out an opportunity of life, to tour Australia as a pacer at such an young phase of his career. Wished if it was Irfan, anyway let India win at the end!

Posted by FehmeedQ on (December 9, 2011, 9:55 GMT)

I just hope we do not need to play Vinay Kumar in Aussie tests...he does not have the pace and bounce to trouble the aussie batsmen on their pitches...Tests require bowlers who can bowl at a min 135 kmph plus movement plus line and length...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:54 GMT)

Good decision to send vinay for aaron but...Irfan should have been there in place of Mithun

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:53 GMT)

This is ridiculous, Irfan should have been selected,we cannot rely on Vinay,who is yet to debut in test. Even question on Zaheer fitness is yet to clear and if he doesn't make it to Australia then India will be in deep trouble with this bowling attack.

Posted by SanjivSanjiv on (December 9, 2011, 9:51 GMT)

Does he have a pace to intimidate any batsmen?

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:51 GMT)

well this is just too much of bcci now, i strongly feel irfan was the ryt selection for praveen and even now he has been ignored, this stupidity will see ponting and co. dig india deep down under!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:50 GMT)

wow...wat a terrorising fast bowler vinay is!!! cat believe such a mediocre ipl bowler is termed as India's future..

Posted by MalolanR on (December 9, 2011, 9:50 GMT)

I Think It Is The Most Stupid Decision Ever By BCCI. Why A So Called Medium Pacer Who Is Too Slow For That Category Selected Instead Of The Best Bowler In Ranji In Unfavorable Pitches For Bowler

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:48 GMT)

oh no! they could have bring Irfan Pathan or maybe Nehra. Bowlers like Vinay are not made for test cricket!

Posted by satish619chandar on (December 9, 2011, 9:46 GMT)

Sad news for many Aaron fans.. He could have been a valued addition in Australia.. Again this news disappoints Irfan fans.. Vinay deserves some attention because he is the best domestic as well as A tour fast bowler and can swing the ball some extent.. Mithun i think doesn't deserve the place with his one dimensional bowling.. Hope he breaks down and Irfan is picked atleast that time.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:45 GMT)

Downright S T U P I D Decision!! India will loose if he plays a single game!

Posted by IndianCoach on (December 9, 2011, 9:45 GMT)

Hail Kumble Baba. Irfan Pathan needs to sign for Kumbles company to get into Indian Team. Seriously Vinay over Irfan. !!!! If Zak gets injured, who leads the attack ? Krish Srikanth from Chennai ??? Admired Kumble a lot as player, but seriously this is too much..!!!

Posted by roversgate on (December 9, 2011, 9:44 GMT)

Wow I expect there to be a lot of Irfan Pathan comments on this news. I dont think its necessarily a bad decision though, Kumar has been consistent in the ODIs so far and should be picked ahead of Pathan who is coming off a few years of domestic cricket only. The more I think about it though, the more I consider the fact that if Nehra or Munaf had been playing continuous cricket at the international level post the world cup, I would feel they were better choices. There is far too much inexperience going into the Australian test series.

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:42 GMT)

I can't imagine him bowling even in ODIs & now TEST CRICKET?? This is hilarious

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:41 GMT)

Is this serious?!?!?! What the hell is wrong!! he gets tonked in India...he will be killed by Aussies in Australia!! God!! Why not Irfan pathan? Why not Nehra? Shit!

Posted by ashish_gajjar on (December 9, 2011, 9:40 GMT)

again india have start injury problum now whos no next????? pls bcci manage other 6-7 fast bowler ready for aus tour like irfan pathan,dinda,gony,arvinda,balaji,pankaj singh,sangwan

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:40 GMT)

why no irfan????? what he has done wrong????

Posted by Tendulkars_Tennis_Elbow on (December 9, 2011, 9:37 GMT)

OMG! Is it too late to pray for rain in australia?

Posted by usernames on (December 9, 2011, 9:36 GMT)

LOL. What kind of a joke is this?

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:34 GMT)

lol @ 'Vinay kumar, the karnataka FAST bowler'

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:34 GMT)

its just ridiculous.First PK now aaron. Who's next????????????????For some reason they consider vinay better than irfan

Posted by vcriyas on (December 9, 2011, 9:33 GMT)

a very very bad move. what srikanth is doing there in selection. he can wait until next match between india west indies and see how irfan pathan is bowling.....Even wasim akram , majeraker and all other Indians want irfan why not u ........................

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:32 GMT)

vinay kumar, the karnataka SLOW bowler rather...has been picked as a replacement for the injured FAST bowler Aaron....nd for goodness sake irfan is way better than mediocres like vinay and mithun..absolutely rubbish nd biased selection !

Posted by serious-am-i on (December 9, 2011, 9:32 GMT)

unbelievable to see vinay picked again. I haven't seen him doing exceptional either in friendly English conditions or in Indian conditions.

Posted by spinkingKK on (December 9, 2011, 9:31 GMT)

Quality and class got no place in the Indian team. Mediocrity always wins the race!!!

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:30 GMT)

Already lost the series - Vinay and Mithun - can't see in my wildest dreams these guys picking any wkts which would amount to wins in Aus. At least Aaron could bowl with some aggression, will miss praveen a lot as a steady bowler.

If zak is half fit then just forget it... at best for India 2-0 in favor to the ausies. If zak is fit, ashwin gets some help - 2-1 may be.

On the lighter side - he is not a Karnataka fast bowler - fast is bit too much for people who struggle to hit mid 130s! I so envy Pak and their fabulous mine of fast bowlers and spinners.

Posted by Absconding on (December 9, 2011, 9:29 GMT)

Still I am not able to understand from the Selectors Point of View - On What Basis Vinay is getting chances to play - and the kind of statements he is giving - as a lead bowler for INDIA is just par below Joke .Why selectors are not looking at I Pathan, Ashsis Nehra , RP singh .. and others .. who are match winners .I think Vinay is just go into squad only by influence

Posted by ashish_gajjar on (December 9, 2011, 9:27 GMT)

big lose for team india varun aaron will be best bowler at aus pitch but why vinay kumar or mithun at aus tour may be irfan is good mangment have what wrong with irfan pathan his good bowler and also good batsment ..........

Posted by givenUP on (December 9, 2011, 9:27 GMT)

Oh come on man!!! It should have been Pathan......

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:26 GMT)

Irfan Pathan is cheated again.... Really bad...

Posted by   on (December 9, 2011, 9:25 GMT)

Vinay kumar is a not the right bowler for austrailain conditons, Plus he is not a good bowler too

Posted by VipulPatki on (December 9, 2011, 9:25 GMT)

Please don't call him a fast bowler!

Posted by arun1094 on (December 9, 2011, 9:24 GMT)

Gud choice to pick Vinay. He can do a job like Praveen did..!

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