India in Australia 2011-12 January 17, 2012

Undone by pace and swing

Over the last four years, Sehwag has been the most successful Test batsman in Asia, but outside the subcontinent his stats have plummeted
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One of the tweets doing the rounds towards the end of the first day's play in Perth said this (or words to this effect): 'Finally saw a Sehwag innings. Only, it came from Warner.' The comment captured how destructive David Warner had been in the last session on that day, when he scored 104 from 80 balls, but it also showed up Sehwag's failure to play the sort of innings that has defined his batsmanship.

When he first burst onto the international scene, Sehwag was thought to be someone who'd be utterly destructive in good batting conditions, but would struggle on juicier pitches abroad. As soon as he got an opportunity, he went about busting that notion. A stunning debut hundred in Bloemfontein was followed by hundreds at Trent Bridge, Melbourne, and Adelaide, plus other emphatic performances outside the subcontinent.

Since scoring that game-saving century in Adelaide in January 2008, though, his ability to dominate and score runs in conditions conducive to seam, swing and bounce seems to have diminished considerably. You wouldn't know that looking at his overall numbers, for those haven't changed much at all: his career average till January 2008 was 50.46; since then, it's 51.50, in 41 Tests. There's some difference in his strike rate - 74.89 to 92.04 - and in his conversion rate of fifties into hundreds - 50% to 33% - but the average is as strong as ever.

However, look at the details and more significant differences emerge. Since that 151 in Adelaide, Sehwag's stocks outside the subcontinent have fallen: in each of the last tours to New Zealand, South Africa, England and Australia, Sehwag's average hasn't touched 30 - it was 28 in New Zealand, 24 in South Africa, 10.25 in England and 19.67 so far in Australia. That's 21 innings in which he has managed only two fifties, and a highest score of 67.

What's kept his overall average at the same heights of old are his stats in the subcontinent: his average of 64.28 in Asia compensates for his lean spell overseas. In 11 series in Asia during this period, he has averaged 49 or more in eight of them, and 65-plus in six. He has notched up scores of 319, 293 and 201 not out, plus six more hundreds in 53 innings. That's in stark contrast to no score of more than 70 in 21 innings abroad.

The strike-rate stats are interesting too. Before February 2008 Sehwag was already scoring pretty quickly, with a Test match strike rate touching 75, but since then, it's rocketed up to 92 runs per 100 balls. His attacking instincts have worked well in the subcontinent, when he has been more dominant than ever - no one has scored more runs in Asia during this period - but not in conditions that have aided the quick bowlers.

Two phases of Sehwag's Test career
Period Tests Runs Average Strike rate 100s/ 50s
2001 to Jan 2008 54 4441 50.46 74.89 13/ 13
Feb 2008 onwards 41 3657 51.50 92.04 9/ 18
Career 95 8098 50.93 81.77 22/ 31
Sehwag in and outside Asia in these two periods
Period Tests Runs Average Strike rate 100s/ 50s
Till Jan 2008 - in Asia 30 2634 57.26 74.93 8/ 8
Feb 2008 onwards - in Asia 30 3214 64.28 95.03 9/ 16
Till Jan 2008 - outside Asia 24 1807 43.02 74.82 5/ 5
Feb 2008 onwards - outside Asia 11 443 21.09 74.95 0/ 2

Against the quick bowlers, Sehwag's numbers have fallen significantly outside the subcontinent in the last four years. Till January 2008, he'd averaged 46 against them, but since then, it has fallen to 25, with 16 of his 21 dismissals coming against them. The lack of runs hasn't affected the strike rate, though.

Sehwag against fast bowlers outside the subcontinent*
Period Runs Dismissals Average Runs per over
Till Jan 2008 1426 31 46.00 4.25
Feb 2008 onwards 401 16 25.06 4.35
* Excludes matches played in Zimbabwe

The bowlers who've done well against him have all been those whose primary weapon, apart from pace, is swing. In the ongoing series in Australia, not only has Ben Hilfenhaus dismissed Sehwag three times, he has also kept him on a tight leash, conceding only 33 runs from 88 deliveries. Dale Steyn got him three times too in the series in 2010-11. (Overall, Sehwag averages 51.67 against Steyn in Tests in India, and 13.25 in Tests in South Africa.)

On the tour to England last year, Sehwag tried to dominate James Anderson right from the start, but there's no question about who won that battle: though Sehwag scored 22 runs in 13 balls, he was also dismissed by him twice.

On the other hand, against Morne Morkel, a bowler who mostly bowls back of a length and hits the deck hard, Sehwag scored 47 from 53 balls, and was dismissed just once.

Fast bowlers v Sehwag in Tests outside subcontinent since Feb 2008
Bowler Runs Balls Dismissals Average Runs per over
Ben Hilfenhaus 33 88 3 11.00 2.25
Dale Steyn 49 91 3 16.33 3.23
James Anderson 22 13 2 11.00 10.15
James Pattinson 36 56 2 18.00 3.85

One of the criticisms about Sehwag recently has been that he tends to play too many extravagant strokes early in his innings, which become low percentage in conditions aiding seam and swing. As argued in this piece, in some of his big innings outside the subcontinent earlier, his first few runs came at a relatively slow rate. However, a comparison of his numbers in the first 15 overs during these two periods show that the strike rates aren't too different. What it does show, though, is that Sehwag is scoring about 10% faster despite being in poorer form now.

Sehwag in the first 15 overs of an innings, in Tests outside subcontinent*
Period Runs Balls Dismissals Average Runs per over
Till Jan 2008 743 1005 19 39.10 4.43
Feb 2008 onwards 392 491 15 26.13 4.79
* Excludes matches played in Zimbabwe

After the three defeats in Australia, there's been plenty of clamour over who should be dropped for the Adelaide Test and further into the future. Looking at the stats of India's batsmen outside the subcontinent in the last four years, Sehwag's numbers don't look pretty. On average, he has faced 28 balls per dismissal during this period, which is a ball less than the corresponding average for Harbhajan Singh. In terms of averages, Sehwag's is worse than MS Dhoni and even Suresh Raina.

The last time Sehwag played a Test in Adelaide, though, he batted for almost six hours and scored 151, which remains his only second-innings century in Test cricket. An encore in 2012 won't save the series, but it'll surely end the overseas rut that Sehwag has got into.

Indian batsmen outside subcontinent since Feb 2008 (Excl Zimbabwe)
Batsman Tests Runs Average Strike rate 100s/ 50s
Sachin Tendulkar 13 1192 51.82 53.98 3/ 6
Rahul Dravid 16 1314 46.92 40.30 4/ 6
Gautam Gambhir 11 933 44.42 43.41 2/ 5
VVS Laxman 16 1018 36.35 48.61 1/ 9
MS Dhoni 15 753 31.37 57.56 0/ 7
Suresh Raina 8 343 22.86 49.56 0/ 4
Virender Sehwag 11 443 21.09 74.95 0/ 2
Harbhajan Singh 11 343 20.17 69.85 0/ 2

S Rajesh is stats editor of ESPNcricinfo. Follow him on Twitter

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  • Abhimanyu on January 21, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    Sehwaq needs to be dropped when touring outside the subcontinent. He has NEVER performed and thanks to cricinfo for doing this stats article on him to prove it to everyone. What boggles my mind is that there are so many Sachin haters out there, who are calling for his head. This stats article shows that he has been the best Indian batsmen outside subcontinent since 2008. Another proof for Sachin haters on why he his still the best batsmen on this planet.

  • Busie1979 on January 20, 2012, 2:49 GMT

    India's pitches at home don't do their best players any favours. They need some bouncy wickets to develop batsman and bowlers. They are squandering their talent.

    Sehwag shouldn't be dropped. His form in India shows that he is still a seriously good batsman. Opening the batting is much easier on a dust bowl than on bouncy, seaming wickets in conditions that offer swing. He is the most effective opening batsman in the world in those conditions.

    I think he should move down the order on bouncy wickets to hide him from the new ball. Dravid could open, Kohli at 3, and Sehwag moves down to 5 or 6. He can open in India.

    I'm not sure these guys are still India's best. They should be transitioning guys in now. There is no shortage of batting talent. Dropping them all at once will be a mistake. India's needs atheletic infielders - they are too sluggish. I think the old guys should go in this order over the next 1-2 years - 1. Laxman 2. Dravid 3. Sehwag 4. Tendulkar

  • ptnair on January 19, 2012, 23:27 GMT

    Is Sehwag the only player in the world who plays in Flat Tracks? Lots of people criticise Sehwag and Sachin that they are flat track bullies. Let me ask you this. In a flat track don't we have other batsmen playing in a match. Or is it like Sachin and Sehwag play for both teams. If a batsmen scores run in flat track, then admire them for being best in flat track, where no one else is not as good as Sachin and Sehwag. And don't say that they haven't played good innings in fast tracks. They had.

  • on January 19, 2012, 17:41 GMT

    This statistical analysis just exemplifies that he has become more irresponsible and is riding on his accolades and not thinking of the team before himself. Instead of playing responsible shots and aiming to stay as long as possible at the crease, he is trying to get his job done sooner and rush back to whatever he does when he is not playing. Despicable!

  • dosapati_anand on January 19, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Gizza made a good point there. Because we all think of talented people as someone whose skills are something that can only evolve but which are never lost. With this logic, we can only say when someone someone constantly flops that he is sorted out or found out as against thinking that that somebody might actually have lost his skills that got him success in the first place. It is amazing to see how often and how strongly a man can be affected by amnesia. May be Sehwag's(like Tendulkar's) case is one such of devolution rather than evolution.

  • aussiecrap on January 19, 2012, 13:58 GMT

    To all who say he is a flat track bully,how come all major test playing countries had 300s scored in their country.India was the last and only one300 scored in India.what does it prove?It is difficult to bat in India. How come all other batsmen cannot score on Indian pitches,after all it is the same pitch. FYI 300s scored in countries WI= 7,ENG=6,PAK=4,SL&AUS=3,NZ and IND=1. till 2008 a 300 had never been scored in India,.Which are the flat pitches now? Let me tell you ,Antigua and Sri Lanka,games where 300 scored and no results. Jayasuriya also cried off when he was out for 340.

  • on January 19, 2012, 13:53 GMT

    With so monies in the coffers of BCCI, they should export sub- continent pitch to where ever Mr Mushtanda plays. Bless Mr Mushtanda!!

  • MaruthuDelft on January 19, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    Some people compared Sehwag with Viv Richards!!! One Indian fan once said Sehwag is Viv, Sachin and Lara rolled into one!!! What a shame; he just doesn't have any determination; how come he became a first class cricketer? Should have bribed!!!

  • on January 19, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    He can't play swing.. he can play bounce.. Hilfenhaus was swinging the ball dangerously from middle to outside off.. it's difficult for any batsman in the world.. except few like R Ashwin.. ;)

  • spookygobee on January 19, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    yet another example for the difference between test cricket (real cricket) and T20 cricket (commercial cricket)....

  • Abhimanyu on January 21, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    Sehwaq needs to be dropped when touring outside the subcontinent. He has NEVER performed and thanks to cricinfo for doing this stats article on him to prove it to everyone. What boggles my mind is that there are so many Sachin haters out there, who are calling for his head. This stats article shows that he has been the best Indian batsmen outside subcontinent since 2008. Another proof for Sachin haters on why he his still the best batsmen on this planet.

  • Busie1979 on January 20, 2012, 2:49 GMT

    India's pitches at home don't do their best players any favours. They need some bouncy wickets to develop batsman and bowlers. They are squandering their talent.

    Sehwag shouldn't be dropped. His form in India shows that he is still a seriously good batsman. Opening the batting is much easier on a dust bowl than on bouncy, seaming wickets in conditions that offer swing. He is the most effective opening batsman in the world in those conditions.

    I think he should move down the order on bouncy wickets to hide him from the new ball. Dravid could open, Kohli at 3, and Sehwag moves down to 5 or 6. He can open in India.

    I'm not sure these guys are still India's best. They should be transitioning guys in now. There is no shortage of batting talent. Dropping them all at once will be a mistake. India's needs atheletic infielders - they are too sluggish. I think the old guys should go in this order over the next 1-2 years - 1. Laxman 2. Dravid 3. Sehwag 4. Tendulkar

  • ptnair on January 19, 2012, 23:27 GMT

    Is Sehwag the only player in the world who plays in Flat Tracks? Lots of people criticise Sehwag and Sachin that they are flat track bullies. Let me ask you this. In a flat track don't we have other batsmen playing in a match. Or is it like Sachin and Sehwag play for both teams. If a batsmen scores run in flat track, then admire them for being best in flat track, where no one else is not as good as Sachin and Sehwag. And don't say that they haven't played good innings in fast tracks. They had.

  • on January 19, 2012, 17:41 GMT

    This statistical analysis just exemplifies that he has become more irresponsible and is riding on his accolades and not thinking of the team before himself. Instead of playing responsible shots and aiming to stay as long as possible at the crease, he is trying to get his job done sooner and rush back to whatever he does when he is not playing. Despicable!

  • dosapati_anand on January 19, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Gizza made a good point there. Because we all think of talented people as someone whose skills are something that can only evolve but which are never lost. With this logic, we can only say when someone someone constantly flops that he is sorted out or found out as against thinking that that somebody might actually have lost his skills that got him success in the first place. It is amazing to see how often and how strongly a man can be affected by amnesia. May be Sehwag's(like Tendulkar's) case is one such of devolution rather than evolution.

  • aussiecrap on January 19, 2012, 13:58 GMT

    To all who say he is a flat track bully,how come all major test playing countries had 300s scored in their country.India was the last and only one300 scored in India.what does it prove?It is difficult to bat in India. How come all other batsmen cannot score on Indian pitches,after all it is the same pitch. FYI 300s scored in countries WI= 7,ENG=6,PAK=4,SL&AUS=3,NZ and IND=1. till 2008 a 300 had never been scored in India,.Which are the flat pitches now? Let me tell you ,Antigua and Sri Lanka,games where 300 scored and no results. Jayasuriya also cried off when he was out for 340.

  • on January 19, 2012, 13:53 GMT

    With so monies in the coffers of BCCI, they should export sub- continent pitch to where ever Mr Mushtanda plays. Bless Mr Mushtanda!!

  • MaruthuDelft on January 19, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    Some people compared Sehwag with Viv Richards!!! One Indian fan once said Sehwag is Viv, Sachin and Lara rolled into one!!! What a shame; he just doesn't have any determination; how come he became a first class cricketer? Should have bribed!!!

  • on January 19, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    He can't play swing.. he can play bounce.. Hilfenhaus was swinging the ball dangerously from middle to outside off.. it's difficult for any batsman in the world.. except few like R Ashwin.. ;)

  • spookygobee on January 19, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    yet another example for the difference between test cricket (real cricket) and T20 cricket (commercial cricket)....

  • MrTom10 on January 19, 2012, 11:03 GMT

    So he's a flat track bully, not exactly news though.

  • highveldhillbilly on January 19, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    @Mushtanda - he never made 300 in Bloem? You must be crazy. He made 300 on the flattest track even seen in India. That was possibly the most boring test I've ever watch. I don't think more than 30 wickets were lost in the entire match.

  • on January 19, 2012, 9:45 GMT

    lol..averages only 21 out side asia since 2008 ! One of the most overrated flat track bullies of all time~

  • on January 19, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    @Mushtanda - Sehwag's highest score outside the subcontinent is 195..He hasnt scores anything higher than that EVER..

  • crickettime on January 19, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    @Mushtanda. Sehwag scored his 300 in March 2008 at Chenai and not Bloemfontein. Having watched every innings in the last three tests, his lack of footwork means he never gets into the right position to counter swinging deliveries. The pitch for the first three days at Adelaide is usually fairly flat so he may just score some runs in this test.

  • Celtics24 on January 19, 2012, 7:32 GMT

    Definitely a flat track bully, but I would've thought everyone would've known that by now.

  • on January 19, 2012, 6:34 GMT

    flat track bullies, found wanting on fair test match pitches that offer a bit fir batsmen and bowlers

  • on January 19, 2012, 6:28 GMT

    Mr.Mushtanda check the stats again he scored his triple hundred at Multan, Pakistan .. pakistan also come under sub continent ..apart from the double against the dead WI & Bang he hasnt score anything even in ODIs in last 2 years... so now its time for Indians to think again..

  • on January 19, 2012, 6:26 GMT

    @Mushtanda Sehwag never scored a triple ton outside asia.. one of his triple tons came against pak in pakistan and the other one came against southafrica in chennai.. both are on dead tracks.

    His century in south africa was during his debut match where he came to bat at number 5.

  • on January 19, 2012, 6:10 GMT

    Mushtanda, he didnt score a triple century in bloemfontain.. which planet you living on? he scored a triple century in chennai in 2008. Infact sehwag just played one test in bloemfontain in 2001 on debut and scored a century then. He has performed poorly outside subcontinent since 2008

  • on January 19, 2012, 5:50 GMT

    @ Gizza..This is the best analysis about Virendra Sehwag.

  • mehulmatrix on January 19, 2012, 4:37 GMT

    Very good analysis. Such insights are important to get complete picture about a players performance in all conditions. Only average, etc don't give the complete picture. I think some of "In home conditions" and "Overseas" section should be there in the players profile. Sehwag has to work on overseas more difficult conditions and also second innings to be a complete player.

  • kuttyrsk on January 19, 2012, 4:30 GMT

    Hi Mushtanda he has scored 319 against SA in chennaia and not in Bloemfontein in March 2008, it clearly states he his more highly rated player that what he is from 2008. He was performing when he was uncertain about his state in team and viceversa. When players talk about phasing out seniors it is also including him.

  • ravi-1967 on January 19, 2012, 4:07 GMT

    More than technique it is the attitude that is the problem. You need to play the ball to its merit. However every one involved in Indian Cricket (Selectors, Team Management, His team mates and evern his coach) always have this to say

    "That is how Sehwag plays"

    Which I do not think should be tolerated. All the great players past and present who have succeeded in test cricket had the temparment and attitude for the game and Sehwag does not have both.

    Give respect to the bowlers (ie play the ball to its merit) and that is something whcih Sehwag has not been taught / coached by any one. It may work at times but not always. Temparment and attitude works always.

    When will Sehwag realise this or maybe he is a dumb guy and would never realise. He is fast becoming a liability to this team.

    You can boast that anything under 300 is acheivable (what he said in Melbourne) but you need to backup your claims with performance and there Mr. Sehwag has completely gone wrong.

  • on January 19, 2012, 3:45 GMT

    Very good analysis. It cleary shows the quality of Indian batting in overseas

  • Rooboy on January 19, 2012, 3:23 GMT

    Why do these stats exclude Zimbabwe? Tendulkar's 99 'international' 100s include 20 or so against heavyweights Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya, and Namibia(!), should we exclude these also? @TruthPrevails - yep Punter's record v spin on the subcontinent isn't as good as his overall record, but exclude innings where he was given out by umpire Venkat when he wasn't actually out, and the figures would look much better.

  • AvidCricFan on January 19, 2012, 0:43 GMT

    India actually needs two different test teams: one that dominates in subcontinent and one that can perform decently in overseas tours. It is clears that players like Shewag, Gambhir, Dhoni are not technically correct to be effective overseas. One can't be included in the team if he performs once in 5-6 innings. These players may have performed in the past distance when they were in 20's. Shewag now in 30's is not same as what he was 5 years back.

  • wc1992 on January 19, 2012, 0:08 GMT

    the stats can be misleading ... you can have good average but what counts is wining and performing under pressure ... say now if all these cheap legend score big runs in last match (which is most likely ) as there is no real pressure. Fact will remain that in 20 year of there career they could not win a single series in Aus despite being ranked in top 10most of the time ......what a disappoinment

  • wc1992 on January 18, 2012, 23:43 GMT

    same old story ... i guss best thing for these so called cheap legend was to avoid the Aus NZ and Eng for what ever career they have got left otherwise the end might come sooner then later.....

  • AbdullahShaikh on January 18, 2012, 23:35 GMT

    Ajinkya Rahane averages 68.18 in the first class matches about 10 more than SRT and yet he is rotting in the bench. with this kind of average i feel he was the next genius in the land of master batsmen and he is now 24 yrs old without an opportunity in the test matches. This is not a good sign. An other master Rohit Sharma is averging 62 in First class matches he is also 24. No batsman in the indian lineup averages so much in the domestic circuit as these guys. Yet what ever limited opportunities these guys have got was in the wrong format, i.e. ODI's. These guys dont average so much in the limited over matches (List A). When can we see the futher masters/genius's in Test cricket.

  • on January 18, 2012, 22:02 GMT

    Well the stats say it all. Regardless where Sehwag bats, in Asia or outside his SR is the same, meaning he can only bat one way, he cannot adapt to conditions. This means that it is very unlikely he will make runs in this series. Having said that, we all know this guy is phenomenal & can surprise us at any old time(ODI 219), for India's sake, let's hope soon.

  • SHP_LovesCricket on January 18, 2012, 21:54 GMT

    Really good statistics. This proves that Sachin still be the first in the chart among the Indian batsmen. I don't like seeing people criticizing Sachin even after he scores constantly. He is not a Run Machine / Super Man to score centuries in all the matches he plays. Some people expect that way and criticize him if he didn't score in couple of matches...

  • on January 18, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    @jegs Subcontinent is NOT synonymous with spin. Teams visiting India, has 3 pacers and one spinner. Likewise, Australia,England and South Africa are not synonymous with Pace bowling. Remember Sydney and Ravishastri? He has done a small matter of scoring a double hundred against a spinner by name Shane warne, on supposedly spin-friendly Sydney pitch! Remember BS Chandra sekhar? He has tormented the English batsmen with spin in supposedly pace-friendly England.And there is this small matter of SM Gavaskar won the series for India in West-Indies in their prime, when they have the best fast bowlers in business. Ponting is without doubt a great batsman, but that does not takeaway anything from Sehwag who has done wonderfully well. Granted that he has done better in sub-continent pitches but who has determined that performing well in subcontinent is inferior, where as performing in Australia is superior? Do you think a 50 in Australia is equivalent of a 100 in Sri Lanka?

  • SRT_GENIUS on January 18, 2012, 21:44 GMT

    I can see quite a few TN fans jumping with joy on this article! Guys, Sehwag can play bounce atleast (Morkel). M Vijay can't play bounce or swing! LOL!!

  • Jegs on January 18, 2012, 20:28 GMT

    @TruthPrevails Actually Ponting is an excellent player of spin bowling. He had a tough couple of tours of India where he struggled against Harbhajan but that can happen. He has batted well on their previous 2 tours of India now scoring his first test 100 in India 2 tours ago. And World cup final 2003 he destroyed Harbhajan.He has scored plenty of one day runs in the subcontinent and has always been one of the best players of Muralitharan scoring runs on their test tours of Sri Lanka. In fact when they lost in Sri Lanka in 1999 he was the only batsman who scored runs. And anyhow you'd much rather be a brilliant player of fast bowling and ok against spin rather than brilliant against spin and terrible against the quicks. Most bowling attacks are 3 quicks to 1 spinner. Go figure it out!

  • Jegs on January 18, 2012, 20:21 GMT

    As I keep saying you cannot expect to score runs with a technique like Sehwags on pitches with something in it for the quick bowlers. Either swing and seam in Ehgland or extra pace and bounce in Australia and South Africa. He just stands flat footed, backs away to leg and slogs through the offside. That is effectively a description of Sehwag's game in one sentence. And if you look at those overseas 100s mentioned in the article only the 2002 Trent Bridge one should have credit as far as this goes. And after that innings he never scored any runs in England test matches again- he was a walking wicket. The wicket in Melbourne when he scored 195 was an absolute road. DIdn't POnting and Hayden put on a massive partnership in that game? POnting going on to scored 250 odd. And Adelaide is hardly a fast bowler's paradise is it???

  • on January 18, 2012, 20:12 GMT

    More money less work is the mantra of Indian cricket. All Indian batsmen (Sehwag included) make so much money playing in IPL in India, so why do they need to make runs in test matches outside India.

  • TruthPrevails on January 18, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    Nice analysis, now how about analysis of "green-top" bullies like Ponting who struggle against quality spin and on turning tracks? Good batsmen should be able to handle pace, swing and spin, right?

  • tanveers on January 18, 2012, 19:09 GMT

    Very good analysis. Now we know, who should be dropped. Not Laxman but the "flat-track Bully!"

  • on January 18, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    @BnH1985Fan-mr when selectors r persisting wid him den v shud agree wid tat cuz warner is nt sehwag n there is difference cuz warner has learnt his game in australia n tats y he is used to it....but where as sehwag has learnt it in india.....n d way he scores its tough to have consistency like a sachin or ponting....so pls...just wait fo it

  • on January 18, 2012, 18:47 GMT

    What is the point of scoring big hundred on flat pitches and the result is a draw. What is the point Mr Sehwag? why can't you score runs when your team most needs it? answer: you're over-rated and you don't know where your off stump is. I think Sehwag should be dropped. I've been saying this for nearly 6 months now. I believe Murali Vijay...YES HIM...THE FORGOTTEN MAN should be given another chance. I think he is a good opener and has a better idea of what to leave. He also did quite well in his debut series against the aussies. Yes he had a bad series against windies but give him a break.He does seem to play the quick bowlers very well. He can play on back and front foot and his defense is solid.

  • dosapati_anand on January 18, 2012, 18:31 GMT

    Many people here are saying Sehwag may be better utilized down the order. But what the stats above indirectly imply is that Sehwag might be failing not because he has become impatient, of late, but, rather, he might have actually been SORTED OUT by the bowlers. That faster strike rate might actually be due to the bait-balls the bowler is using to entice him to play eventually that fatal shot which dismisses him. If that is actually the case then shuffling his order wouldn't do much good because his failings aren't then invoked not due to the stage of the match or the conditions but rather due to a flaw or the flaws in his game unearthed by a particular kind of bowlers, which is a given at any stage of the match irrespective of the position he bats at.

  • Mushtanda on January 18, 2012, 18:05 GMT

    "Feb 2008 onwards - outside Asia 11 443 21.09 74.95 0/ 2"

    Hello! Sehwag scored a triple century in Bloemfontein (in March 2008) and that means 300 runs-- am I to believe he has only scored ~140 runs in the remaining 10 tests oustide Asia? And why does the 100s/50s column read: 0/2 then?

  • Mayan005 on January 18, 2012, 17:46 GMT

    Sangakkara(supposedly, the worlds no.1 batsman) has similar stats outside the subcontinent.

  • the_blue_android on January 18, 2012, 17:42 GMT

    This guy cost us the SA series because he kept throwing his wicket away. And he was too scared to play in England test series. I hope selectors drop him and play Mukund, Rahane or find a real test opener.

  • on January 18, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    Great stats by Rajesh. Just goes on to show what Sehwag really is? Mr Chappell, I hope you're reading this. You call him a trump card, a crucial factor before every foreign series. See what Sehwag has been doing for the past few years out there. When the Red Cherry Talks, Sehwag's bat goes mute. People bashing Sachin and calling Sehwag a bigger match winner should look into this fact. The reason why he seems more impactful because he performs on flat tracks and we win in India. But its not Sehwag alone, other batsmen along with our spinners and inability of foreign players to see through 4th and 5th day win us the game. Can't believe he was even compared with Sachin. Like Michael Holding once said, Sachin and Sehwag are like chalk and cheese.

  • AjitDJ on January 18, 2012, 17:33 GMT

    Anyone who has watched Sehwag's innings in Australia would feel like Sehwag is thinking he has made more money than he needs, and is no more interested in playing for team India. He has done nothing to show why he even deserves a place in the team.

  • Rahulbose on January 18, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    He started playing T20 right about that time and that has messed his game. Also fitness wise he had done some work when he got dropped, but now the paunch is back in place.

  • on January 18, 2012, 17:19 GMT

    When our batting department was in good touch, Sehwag was meant to be a gambler in opening innings. If he stays for just one session he will get his 60 or 70 just like that. Same time if he fails, always Dravid and other guys are there to rescue the innings. But the biggest question is our one down and middle order batsmen are not reliable. I dont blame Sehwag, it is the way he used to bat.

  • Al_Bundy1 on January 18, 2012, 16:57 GMT

    This proves what all critics have been saying all this time - Viru is a FLAT TRACK BULLY. Don't take him on overseas tour. Give a chance to Rahane or Abhinav Mukund.

  • on January 18, 2012, 16:24 GMT

    sewag is supposed to be the best player of spin in this world on a rank turner,i dont think no other players outside the subcontinent can handle in those pitches..very few ,mathew heyden would do tat ,Nowadays india is not preparing spin friendly wickets, which turns from the first day,like aussies wickets seams from the first ball.!!! Bcci is not demanding the curator to prepare the pitch on the need of the team like australian board and english board does..!!!

  • binender123 on January 18, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    I don't know ...why they( indians) are not getting worked with riverse swing......if not then what for the Coach is..? from first test onwards aussies are hunting regularly with reverse swing....if any of the batsmet would have practiced hardly in revrse swing India would never be in such state......

  • TRAM on January 18, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    Thanks cricinfo statisticians, you guys help the fans' awakening. I would like to see similar stats for other legends too even the old generations like Gavaskar, Vishwanath & Kapil. How long they failed before they went out of the team? Another point: We talk about a lot of youngsters tried in the last 4-5 years. I would very much appreciate if cricinfo can also come out with some stats on how many chances each newcomer gets on what sort of pitches and against what teams. I feel Raina was given way too many chances compared to all of them. And I always pity Badri who was dropped with just 3 innings chance in which he scored a 56 in one innings. The same way, Mukund was tried in England where every Indian batsmen failed and he stood there for hours unlike Sehwag. Cricinfo, please show the "justice" stats for all new players compared.

  • Scrop on January 18, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    With those stats, Its high time Indian selectors find an authentic opener who can handle pace and bounce, handle pace bowling outside subcontinent.

    Its true that Viru gives a psychological edge when he gets going but with the stats, it shows it happens only in sub continent and outside that he is not able to replicate that. Its true he played some memorable innings in Australia (195, 151) but those are far and few in between a lot of mediocre batting.

    Its hard for Viru to change his game now, he doesnt gonna try it also. So its high we start grooming a genuine test opener, who over the time play consistently good.

    Selectors I hope you read this and act smartly and accordingly.

  • on January 18, 2012, 16:08 GMT

    I was hoping to see Sehwag dropped for the third test and as luck would have it he has a opportunity to play in the fourth test as well as possibly be the captain thanks to Dhoni's absence. Still hope to see Parthiv patel as wicket keeper, Rohit sharma in the team

  • NikhilNair on January 18, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    It's about time we bring fresh opener instead of Sehwag for matches outside subcontinent. No one compares with him in subcontinent... so I would day he's good for matches there.

  • 777aditya on January 18, 2012, 15:53 GMT

    Indian batsmen outside subcontinent since Feb 2008 shows only Sachin averaging above 50 - end of the story! at this rate, we will never win overseas - please enthuse young blood like Rahane, Pujara, Uthappa, Manish Pandey, Shikhar Dhawan, etc and make Indian test cricket more interesting, also the fielding would improve by leaps and bounds!

  • GMathews on January 18, 2012, 15:50 GMT

    Sehwag overseas perfomance is a worry at present,THAT IS THE MAIN FACTOR MAKING SACHIN GREAT, SACHINS OVERSEAS (aus,engla,sa,newze) RECORDS,CONSISTENCY,BATTING STYLE always ahead of Sehwag.

  • unbiasedfan on January 18, 2012, 15:20 GMT

    Basically he is little more than a flat tack bully. Once bowlers heeded Holding's advice which is to bowl short on the off stump and not give him room to free his arms he was a goner.

  • analyseabhishek on January 18, 2012, 15:10 GMT

    @BnH1985Fan- You might want a homework as to how many Indian openers, post Gavaskar, averaged even 35.7 outside the subcontinent. Sehwag's problem has been a simple one- he has been found out outside the subcontinent. When this happens, batsmen need to go back to the drawing board. This also explains why Sachin is held in such high regard. He kept working hard and never allowed any bowler to exploit soft spots.

  • sony_sr on January 18, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Don't know what to say. Too good! The stats for first 15 overs is worth a look for shewag himself.

  • on January 18, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Like manjerekar said maybe it is time for him to move down and put a genuine opener there....

  • on January 18, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    All the good wishes to Veeru for captaining the side that is going downhill becoz of poor captaincy and even if Veeru fails as a batsman, he will prove that he is a better captain than Dhoni.

  • Y2SJ on January 18, 2012, 14:06 GMT

    It is time the coach has a word with Sehwag and asks him not to throw away his wicket.

  • on January 18, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    Statistics shows that Sachin still is the highest run getter with an healthy avg and decent strike rate on test matches. Good analysis by Rajesh...

  • rahulcricket007 on January 18, 2012, 13:43 GMT

    hmmm . so , sehwag's average outsde subcontinent till jan 2008 was 43 but now it is 21 . the decrease is more than half .

  • on January 18, 2012, 13:09 GMT

    The stats dispel some of the notions of people going around. Gambhir seems not bad overseas. Sehwag may be tried in the middle order (at 5) overseas. Alternatives to VVS and maybe even to MS may need to be investigated.

  • the_wallster on January 18, 2012, 13:01 GMT

    This is why he is renowned for his nickname: 'Flat-track Bully'.

  • binender123 on January 18, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    I think indian player's are not preparing & logically...as we all know about the technology available....Australians r following that by analysing each players and the type of ball they bowl frequently........

  • BnH1985Fan on January 18, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    Thank you S Rajesh for statistically backing up what intelligent and unemotional Indian fans already suspected -- Sehwag is just not that good when playing in conditions that support pace. He is a flat track bully who has been "found out" by pace bowlers elsewhere. Over his entire career, using numbers you provided, he is averaging 35.7 outside Asia. And yet, Indian selectors persist with him. Either India is lacking the talent needed to play pace in conditions that support it, or, selectors are lacking in imagination, or both.

  • on January 18, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    As "destructive" as people may call him, he is just another flat track bully. Here you have the proof. He should have learned a few tricks from the likes of great VVS, Dravid or Tendulkar. All 3 of them are light years ahead of him when it comes to class and temperament.

  • Harry_Kool on January 18, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    This is flat track bully personified. What more can you add to this. Wow!

  • spin_king4 on January 18, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    folling on from my previous comment ( if posted) if you watched the final inning in perth you like me would have seen a new level of maturity enter kohli's batting which i think is a direct result of batting with dravid who was contsantly talking to him giving him advice and guidance and was a perfect example of the determination you need to suceed in tests, (even when not playing well to try your best and stick in there, something laxman dhoni sehwag gambhir could llearn in stead of trying to fire your way out. And on the another level besides experience you cannot drop dravid and tendulkar because if we look at the stats they are the only 2 batsmen who have shown any sort of ability to cope outside india as from seen above stats and in particular dravids 2011 where he average 51 away with 4 centuries. There has been a lot of calls for the big3 to go but you must ignore age and drop those not preforming, first sehwag/gambhir for rahane/mukund and laxman for rohit in future

  • spin_king4 on January 18, 2012, 12:30 GMT

    these stats clearly support the calls (well mine at least) that sehwag needs to make way for a new younger opener. it seems he has got tired of the longer version of the game and has become lazier. I would drop him for adelaide and bring in rahane for the openers slot. If we then look at more recent stats in overseas tests (from the begining of last year) i would also drop gambhir who in this time averages only 20 ( sehwag by the way averages 15 in this time). I would replace gambhir with mukund and give the new opening patnership 10-15 tests (some sort of extended run) to try and forge something. In addition these stats show that definatly the first of the big three to go would be laxman, once again if wee look at the last 12 months this average drops to around 25 so he must go, and i would give rohit a go in adelaide. dravid and tendulkar still from these stats are the only batsmen to preform regularly away so should be kept to pass on experience and aid in the younger batsmen

  • Gizza on January 18, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    If you watch his good innings on YouTube from early on in his career (In South Africa and England) you will notice that Sehwag moved his feet much more and used to hit a lot more along the ground instead of in the air (although still mostly off-side). Some fans may also remember his technique used to be compared to Tendulkar and that's because in the early days he entire approach to batting was much closer to Tendulkar than it is today. He has become excessively aggressive and casual in the latter part of his career which has helped him on the flatter home pitches and made him worse on the trickier away pitches. I would prefer a pre-2008 Sehwag over the current one.

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  • Gizza on January 18, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    If you watch his good innings on YouTube from early on in his career (In South Africa and England) you will notice that Sehwag moved his feet much more and used to hit a lot more along the ground instead of in the air (although still mostly off-side). Some fans may also remember his technique used to be compared to Tendulkar and that's because in the early days he entire approach to batting was much closer to Tendulkar than it is today. He has become excessively aggressive and casual in the latter part of his career which has helped him on the flatter home pitches and made him worse on the trickier away pitches. I would prefer a pre-2008 Sehwag over the current one.

  • spin_king4 on January 18, 2012, 12:30 GMT

    these stats clearly support the calls (well mine at least) that sehwag needs to make way for a new younger opener. it seems he has got tired of the longer version of the game and has become lazier. I would drop him for adelaide and bring in rahane for the openers slot. If we then look at more recent stats in overseas tests (from the begining of last year) i would also drop gambhir who in this time averages only 20 ( sehwag by the way averages 15 in this time). I would replace gambhir with mukund and give the new opening patnership 10-15 tests (some sort of extended run) to try and forge something. In addition these stats show that definatly the first of the big three to go would be laxman, once again if wee look at the last 12 months this average drops to around 25 so he must go, and i would give rohit a go in adelaide. dravid and tendulkar still from these stats are the only batsmen to preform regularly away so should be kept to pass on experience and aid in the younger batsmen

  • spin_king4 on January 18, 2012, 12:39 GMT

    folling on from my previous comment ( if posted) if you watched the final inning in perth you like me would have seen a new level of maturity enter kohli's batting which i think is a direct result of batting with dravid who was contsantly talking to him giving him advice and guidance and was a perfect example of the determination you need to suceed in tests, (even when not playing well to try your best and stick in there, something laxman dhoni sehwag gambhir could llearn in stead of trying to fire your way out. And on the another level besides experience you cannot drop dravid and tendulkar because if we look at the stats they are the only 2 batsmen who have shown any sort of ability to cope outside india as from seen above stats and in particular dravids 2011 where he average 51 away with 4 centuries. There has been a lot of calls for the big3 to go but you must ignore age and drop those not preforming, first sehwag/gambhir for rahane/mukund and laxman for rohit in future

  • Harry_Kool on January 18, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    This is flat track bully personified. What more can you add to this. Wow!

  • on January 18, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    As "destructive" as people may call him, he is just another flat track bully. Here you have the proof. He should have learned a few tricks from the likes of great VVS, Dravid or Tendulkar. All 3 of them are light years ahead of him when it comes to class and temperament.

  • BnH1985Fan on January 18, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    Thank you S Rajesh for statistically backing up what intelligent and unemotional Indian fans already suspected -- Sehwag is just not that good when playing in conditions that support pace. He is a flat track bully who has been "found out" by pace bowlers elsewhere. Over his entire career, using numbers you provided, he is averaging 35.7 outside Asia. And yet, Indian selectors persist with him. Either India is lacking the talent needed to play pace in conditions that support it, or, selectors are lacking in imagination, or both.

  • binender123 on January 18, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    I think indian player's are not preparing & logically...as we all know about the technology available....Australians r following that by analysing each players and the type of ball they bowl frequently........

  • the_wallster on January 18, 2012, 13:01 GMT

    This is why he is renowned for his nickname: 'Flat-track Bully'.

  • on January 18, 2012, 13:09 GMT

    The stats dispel some of the notions of people going around. Gambhir seems not bad overseas. Sehwag may be tried in the middle order (at 5) overseas. Alternatives to VVS and maybe even to MS may need to be investigated.

  • rahulcricket007 on January 18, 2012, 13:43 GMT

    hmmm . so , sehwag's average outsde subcontinent till jan 2008 was 43 but now it is 21 . the decrease is more than half .