New Zealand in Australia 2011-12

Starc, Pattinson, Siddle, Cutting to set pace for Gabba

Daniel Brettig

November 26, 2011

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Mitchell Starc cut through the middle order, Australia v Sri Lanka, 3rd ODI, Brisbane, November 7, 2010
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Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Peter Siddle and Ben Cutting have been named as the Australian pace quartet for the first Test against New Zealand after the new selection panel took a balanced approach to the injury dramas surrounding the naming of the squad.

The selections, announced by the national selector John Inverarity, suggest a combination tailored to the Gabba, as Trent Copeland, a Test debutant in Sri Lanka and first reserve in South Africa, was overlooked.

"Unfortunately Mitchell Johnson, Shane Watson, Patrick Cummins, Ryan Harris and Shaun Marsh are unavailable for selection due to injury and Michael Beer and Trent Copeland are the players to have missed selection after being part of the Test squad in South Africa," Inverarity said.

"The absence of these players obviously provides a great chance for David Warner, James Pattinson, Ben Cutting and Mitchell Starc to come into the squad and perform on the international stage and I know that is an opportunity they are all looking forward to Although injuries to those key players are not ideal, this provides an opening for these promising young players to come into the Australian squad and further their development.

"David, James and Mitchell have been in and around the Australian limited overs squad at various times recently and showed that they have the talent and skills required to perform on the international stage This is obviously the first time Ben Cutting has been included in an Australia squad and he has impressed us with his performances in the Sheffield Shield this year and this is reflected in his success at the competition's leading wicket-taker.

"Trent has had a lack of opportunities to push for selection in recent times. He will be disappointed but will work hard with New South Wales and I have no doubt he will again be putting his hand up for inclusion with good performances for his state."

Starc, Cutting and Pattinson provide the youth and aggression in the attack, with Starc's imposing record at the Gabba and left-arm variety helping to earn him a berth. In first-class matches Starc has taken 12 wickets at 18.41 at the ground, while he also claimed 4-27 against Sri Lanka in his one ODI appearance in Brisbane last year.

Cutting has enjoyed a strong start to the summer for Queensland, impressing with his aggression, speed and also his lower order hitting.

Pattinson has been around Australia squads for some time, touring India last year and Sri Lanka in 2011. He was a narrow omission from the South Africa Test squad to make room for Pat Cummins, but is now in line for a debut at the Gabba.

As expected, David Warner was named to open the batting, while Ricky Ponting and Brad Haddin were retained following their contributions to the Australian victory over South Africa in Johannesburg. Haddin has been named vice-captain to Michael Clarke in the absence of Shane Watson.

Test squad: Michael Clarke (capt), David Warner, Phillip Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Ricky Ponting, Michael Hussey, Brad Haddin (vice-capt, wk), Peter Siddle, Ben Cutting, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson.

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Posted by   on (November 29, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

I want to see team australia with their past performances.in the last decade they didnot well in the all format of the game.but they won the world cup 1999-2007.that is real cricket they have done.but losing the ASHES SERIES all the aussie team playing doubtful.but one man in the team mr cricket HUSSEY done his job very well.i think they have a very good chance to come as a number one team in the world.newzeland tour & indian tour is very good platform to built their GLORY..I WISH GOOD LUCK...

Posted by Claydo78 on (November 29, 2011, 8:53 GMT)

while i do agree copeland should have been atleast considered for the 1st at the Gabba, hilfanhaus has just lost all form and mckay should have never got a cap in the first place! Copeland is the only bowler to debut in the last 3 seasons that has deserved his cap! He bowls the way test cricketers should bowl with line and length and dries up the runs which creates pressure. other then exceptional bowlers what did warne and mcgrath excel at? Creating pressure forcing the bad shot from the batsman! Johnson, cummins, siddle, beer, lyon, mckay, george and bolly all bowl to many bad bowls an over which go for boundaries. I think Arthur is a great choice as australian coach but his first order of business is to get his bowlers to stop leaking fours and learn how to build pressure. when that happens we will be in a position to take 20 wickets in a test!

Posted by Claydo78 on (November 29, 2011, 3:36 GMT)

Why hasnt anyone suggested lyon getting dropped and starting with all 3 young quicks and siddle? Lyon has done his job well but brisbane has never been a spinners wicket, its always been a seamers wicket. Gone are the days when we had warne we bowled well just about everywhere, we need to be picking our best bowlers for the wicket we are about to be playing on. Clark can be our spin bowler if needed. What happens if one of our bowlers is getting spanked or worse gets injured? With no wato if leaves us with only 2 quicks and lyon. not the best situation to be in.

Posted by zenboomerang on (November 29, 2011, 2:49 GMT)

@Meety... Agree - we really must learn to pick a bowling team that suits local conditions... We used to send Alderman to Eng Tests because of his prodigious swing in their conditions... Don't know is Coulter-Nile will have to wait that long... CA Chairman Wally Edwards (WA), Chief Selector John Inverarity (WA), Coach Mickey Arthur (ex-WA coach)... aka tongue in cheek... lol...

Posted by zenboomerang on (November 29, 2011, 2:40 GMT)

@mehulmatrix... I thought you were referring to the current selections... You are talking about the old selectors - a different paradigm & the past has gone... The new selectors goal is to rotate bowlers & I assume batters... I agree about Hauritz & he can bat @8... I've watched Peter George a lot - goes through good/bad patches... He wouldn't be considered a no.1 or 2 bowler today, so would have to compete with Copeland & many other competent no.3 bowlers... Why don't you wait before condemning Warner as you probably did Cummins & give us your pick as opener... The time when we didn't rotate bowlers we had Siddle, Johnson, Bollinger & Hilfy bowling creamcakes & we got smashed...

Posted by jellobiafra on (November 28, 2011, 22:24 GMT)

Being a New Zealander I cant say I am unhappy with the current situation that the Australians find themselves in leading into the series(form and player injuries). I would add however that with optimism comes caution as We are playing Australia and it is a Test match, which would in nearly every instance for at least the majority of my lifetime would mean complete and utter destruction....for NZ.

Posted by   on (November 28, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

These Australian selectors have no respect for experience and are completely out of their minds... why would you bring in three uncapped players i.e. Pattinson, Starc, Cutting when you already have reserve pacemen with Test experience such as Ben Hilfenhaus, Clint McKay and Trent Copeland... This creates a golden opportunity for NZ to win the test series in Australia after a gap of 3 decades...

Posted by Meety on (November 28, 2011, 10:54 GMT)

@zenboomerang - the XI i picked was an emerging side who are "...Players who'd probably not get a guernsey for one reason or another for about 2 seasons." (I know Coulter-Nile is out for an estimated 6 weeks with a side strain). ree: Butterworth, I'm a fan, but I don't think he'll get selected for Oz. I think Faulkner will outshine him (bat & ball). IMO - Butterworth would be VERY good in England, it would be great having a "tail" that reads #8 O'Keefe, #9 Butterworth, #10 Cutting & #11 Cummins. Assuming they perform their primary task - they would be a difficult tail to get thru, with our first 7 not doing tooo flash, they might get a fair bit of action!

Posted by Meety on (November 28, 2011, 10:44 GMT)

@zenboomerang - I know Coulter-Nile is injured, my selections were an Emerging XI who "...probably not get a guernsey for one reason or another for about 2 seasons."

Posted by RandyOZ on (November 28, 2011, 10:00 GMT)

Brad Haddin and his pathetic keeping are a plague on this team. He is almost as bad as Papua New Guinea's Geraint Jones, who was pathetic during multiple Ashes matches. The sooner we drop him and refresh this team the better!

Posted by mehulmatrix on (November 28, 2011, 9:55 GMT)

@ zenboomerang thats the current situation. why was peter george taken for a single test and dumped? same with copeland, krejza doherty or hauritz.haurtiz was doing pretty good as well. even cummins made a sudden entry w/o much first class exp. he did well thats a different story though. cant be making such whimsical selection so many times. then the same principle should apply to batsmen as well. long term doesnt mean old, it implies long term consistency. warner doesnt have long term credential in the longer version. dave hussey or many others have them.

Posted by zenboomerang on (November 28, 2011, 8:31 GMT)

@mehulmatrix... "The musical chairs for bowlers in Aus continues."... lol... what musical chairs... Harris, Johnson, Cummins, Watson are injured... Are we supposed to pick a team without bowlers... You had better read the Argus Report - long term old stats mean nothing, its all about current form... i.e. last 3-12 months... Finally CA selectors are getting into selecting players on merit... The same as for football teams... Imagine if we picked footballers on their old records & didn't notice their failures over the last 12 months... Mick Malthouse is ROFLHAO...

Posted by zenboomerang on (November 28, 2011, 8:30 GMT)

@Samdanh... agree Johnson & Siddle are not strike bowlers & have cost us close matches with no containment & no team play... Just as Ponting & Clarke have let us down with the bat with 2 years of mainly batting failures along with Haddin & not playing for the team as a whole...

Posted by mehulmatrix on (November 28, 2011, 7:59 GMT)

The musical chairs for bowlers in Aus continues. Will not be too good for confidence of them. Trent did pretty well in containing in Lanka and deserved more chances. I think Aussies since a year or so not great in cricketing sense and go by short sighted views. Warner is also a surprising selection,hes been doing good recently, not from a long time. Long term performers in domestic wont be too happy i guess.

Posted by Samdanh on (November 28, 2011, 7:58 GMT)

I agree with some that Aus should have had a McGrath or Stuart Clark like bowler in their 11 . During the last 2-3 years Australia have lost some close matches which they could have won had they had a bowler like Copeland. Most of those matches they had aggressive fields even when bowlers like Johnson and Siddle were leaking runs. A bowler like Copeland is needed in the current Australia team and plan

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 28, 2011, 6:04 GMT)

I do agree not picking Copeland if they wanted to pick fast attack who can bowl 140s.. But why he was selected first of all??? Being selected and performed well and then getting dropped will never work out for any player.. Wonder what is the criteria for selection.. Hauritz dropped for below par Doherty, Katich dropped for Hughes.. Now, Copeland for Siddle?

Posted by zenboomerang on (November 28, 2011, 2:01 GMT)

@Meety @whitesXI... Interesting XI... Coulter-Nile is injured at present... Why not Butterworth? - leading fast bowler last season & started OK this season, though he is out with injury as well... His stats would put him ahead of every bowler at FC level & averages 28 with the bat & 2 FC centuries... Maddison needs more SS time - one of the two batting failures against NZ - the other S Smith... Warner definitely before Maddison if he is dropped after 1 Test for Watson... Burns - definitely not... Same for Ferguson... Noticed Christian batting at no.4 & Ferguson at no.6 in 2nd innings (SAvQld)...

Posted by gbh250 on (November 28, 2011, 1:49 GMT)

I think Copeland has been hard done by. The factor in selection that should be given weight above all others is a player's record, and here are the numbers: Pattinson: 32 first class wickets @ 28; Cutting: 84 @ 26, Starc: 49 @ 33; Copeland: 102 @ 23.

I don't believe that the selectors have any insights into the effectiveness of fast bowlers that are more valuable than what the record shows about the ability of these bowlers to dismiss batsmen in first class record.

Who cares if the selectors can't work out WHY he is so successful. That says more about them than it does about Copeland.

Posted by whitesXI on (November 28, 2011, 0:34 GMT)

@Meety - the 2nd XI team was in contrast to our current team, not a long term plan for a squad. Though I still think Ferguson should be there, he is scoring runs in the ODD I'm sure it will only take one confidence building innings and he'll be good to go in the shield

Posted by Meety on (November 27, 2011, 23:41 GMT)

@whitesXI - that's a good 2nd XI - but I hope you're not saying that it would do better over time than the current Test team? I have dropped off Ferguson - he should be playing his best cricket now, but is struggling to hold his place in the Sth Ozzy side. Maxwell & Faulkner are promising & Copeland is test class, Wade yes, Rogers a shame, & Christian is on the rise. However, blokes like Klinger, Cowan & Quiney have not had any sustained periods of form & are not yet test standard. I'd rather select an Emerging XI - 1. M Harris, 2. Maddinson, 3. Lynn, 4. Burns, 5. Christian, 6. Wade, 7. Maxwell, 8. M Marsh, 9. Faulkner, 10. Coulter-Nile, 11. Herrick 12th: Patterson. Players who'd probably not get a guernsey for one reason or another for about 2 seasons.

Posted by Wozza-CY on (November 27, 2011, 23:26 GMT)

Whatever about the personnel, tactically the selectors have failed their first examination. At first glance you might have thought with all the changes in personnel,for the test team they might go with existing members of the squad i.e. Copeland, Siddle & Lyon. So they have a 'bowl off' for the remaining seamers position. But they don't pick Copeland. Lyon may not get a look in if the GABBA is quick (even though Boyce & O'Keefe shared 7 of the 40 wickets in the recent sheild game). So not only have they shown the Kiwis who'll they'll be facing in the test match, they were forced not to over bowl them in the Oz A game because the test was so close. As a result, batsmen who don't even bowl for their states were forced to bowl i.e. Warner, Cowan & Maddinson which has not only broken FC records, it got all of their best batsmen in fine form. Kiwis go into this test with confidence sky high. Way to go.

Posted by MarkM33 on (November 27, 2011, 23:01 GMT)

As a kiwi I have no idea who the Aussie bowlers are other than the fact some of them have been smacked aorund by the NZ batsmen against Aus A.

You need to take 20 wickets in a test match to have a real chance of winning and on the face of it, neither attack looks particularly likely to do so (cue the typical NZ batting collapse). Aussie batting lineup looks a bit more solid especially given the high chance of NZ taking 4 seam bowlers and pushing Vettori up to 6 so I think Aussie still sit favourites but it could be closer than it's been for a long time.

This is the most even looking match between NZ and Aussie in many, many years and from this side of the Tasman, we're looking forward to it!! Go NZ!!

Posted by jonesy2 on (November 27, 2011, 18:37 GMT)

once again i am completely baffled by the comments in the comment section. absolutely bizarre.

Posted by HardCoreIndianFan on (November 27, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

Guys!! Understand the thing here. Nobody is injured actually. All main players are rested due to India tour to Aus next month. Auzzies are good in playing such ridiculous secret games...

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 16:09 GMT)

An amazingly weak looking squad.

Posted by PawanBandaru on (November 27, 2011, 15:18 GMT)

Haddin vice captain......cannot comprehend that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 12:45 GMT)

we may see even allistair mcdernott who bowls very fast and good.Starc is a very tall and a fantastic good bowler for them who is 6ft6 and a left arm bowler.

Posted by whitesXI on (November 27, 2011, 11:54 GMT)

Hypothetical Aus 2nd XI - 1)Klinger(c), 2)Rogers, 3)Cowan, 4)Ferguson, 5)Quiney, 6)Christian, 7)Wade, 8)Maxwell, 9)Faulkner, 10)Copeland, 11)Hilfenhaus, 12th man George. Would have had O'keefe instead of Maxwell if he wasn't injured. What do you reckon, would this team challenge the current Test squad? Going on current form I think they'd win

Posted by RandyOZ on (November 27, 2011, 11:38 GMT)

Agree with @dsig3, Siddle should be in the side for Copeland. Pathetic selections. Arthur already has a black mark against his name.

Posted by raghavendran7 on (November 27, 2011, 11:09 GMT)

are these aussie quicks really injured or are they being rested for indian tour ahead ????? i hope they do not take kiwis lightly .........

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 10:57 GMT)

not sure about hughes and warner as an opening partnership. And Copeland should be in for Siddle,

Posted by likeintcricket on (November 27, 2011, 10:35 GMT)

That must be great opportunity for Newzealand to win a Test series in Australia after Hadlee did it 80's. They have some good batsman in the side who can bat at faster rate than most other teams. But Australia main worry is their series against India which could result in a no contest with an inexperience side.

Posted by VivGilchrist on (November 27, 2011, 9:59 GMT)

Well, if the Australia A game is anything to go by, I find it hard to get excited about these new guys. Funny how Hilf walked away with the best figures. As for those calling for Wade, I agree, but Paine is the new Golden Child and the last thing they would want would be for Wade to succeed as the new keeper as it would make a dilemma for the selectors on how they could get Mr blonde hair blue eyes corporate puppet golden boy in the XI. Watch this space - M.Clarke mark II.

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 9:04 GMT)

I'm not sure about Starc, but then I was unsure about Cummins as well. Still I would have Hilfenhaus rather than Starc (his test record isn't great, but it's reasonable enough), and I'd have Ed Cowan opening rather than Warner (I guess it's because Warner has some international experience, & he does average nearly 60 in 10 FC matches), and possibly Wade rather than Haddin, and O'Keefe (averages about 25 with the ball in FC cricket) rather than Lyon.

Posted by Winsome on (November 27, 2011, 8:24 GMT)

beestings_11, I'm not sure that Starc would be in the NSW first 11. He's one of the chosen ones - wouldn't be if he wasn't a leftie - and the GABBA is his best ground.

Posted by takenaback on (November 27, 2011, 8:00 GMT)

News just in Johnson will be out for the season, thank God it has been taken out of the Australian selectors hands. Hell of a nice bloke but his inconsistency should have seen him gone a long time ago. We can't continue to carry someone who is for the most unlikely to take a wicket.

Posted by kearon47 on (November 27, 2011, 7:13 GMT)

The healthy Australian test team should be? (batting order), C.Rogers, E.Cowan, P.Hughes, S.Marsh, M.Clarke, S.Watson, M.Wade, G.Maxwell, B.Cutting, P.Cummins, R.Harris.

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 7:08 GMT)

Yes, finally the time came. Thanks for John Inverarity and co. Race begins.......!!!!!!

Posted by Mooky on (November 27, 2011, 6:47 GMT)

Kiwi's must be really worried about this attack, not. Second innings in a row they have hammered them all over the park, except for Hiffenhaus and hes not in

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 5:33 GMT)

oh from my last comment, ive back Warner to become a successful test player, he is not far from being picked, but i would give Cowan a chance because he performed well in this game, making him hungry and ready, have to reward players for working hard and who want it, Klinger would be my second option as opener, what ponting and haddin did i there last game warrant them more chances, i think lyons need to play this game for the A team cause he was under bowled, need a mix of solid performers,mitch took wickets but at a cost and so did pattinson, but not immpressed at the A teams bowling stats,

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 5:20 GMT)

i would have picked cowan, only one who performed, wade did well and also pattinson, i dont like looking at bowlers going for more the 5 an over, and they all pretty much did, we got attacking bowlers but we need bowlers who keep it tight like Copeland, they pretty much gave the Kiwis good batting practice, for the first up coming test, need tight bowlers who bowl a good line, for me i would pick Dougie Bollinger, he can keep it tight line ans slow the scoring rate and Cuttings inform, i dont like seeing bowlers going for more the 4.5 an over in a 5 day or even 4day match, maybe pick hilfenhus cause of his swing, for me for the first test, Doug Ben Cowans Cutting Christian and Klinger , if there serious. Christian is prob our best allrounder in australia apart from Watson so it and easy replacement,

Posted by pikk0n on (November 27, 2011, 5:18 GMT)

When 3 NZ batsmen score tonnes off your bowling attack, you'd think that something is really wrong unless you're the current national selectors. At least Beer and Smith isn't part of the test bowling line-up but I worry about the bowler who'll stem the flow of runs. We know Siddle can do that for one innings and go for plenty in the next. The Indian batsmen are going to have a feast unless our bowlers can find some significant improvement. Don't expect Harris or Cummins to be available for the whole summer. Don't expect either to bowl long spells too. Hussey being asked to bowl to keep stem the flow of runs is rather amusing when we have Dan Christian who has been in rather decent form plugging away in domestic cricket.

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 5:08 GMT)

Can't wait - Kiwi top order in form and the Aussie attack really weak compared to previous years.....

Posted by gothetaniwha on (November 27, 2011, 4:11 GMT)

Wow This bowling attack is getting smashed around by NZ v Aus A .Somehow I don,t think they fear this bowling attack any more .

Posted by AidanFX on (November 27, 2011, 3:55 GMT)

Me wonders what ever happened to Ferguson - the guy has barely made a bad score in the One Day Int team - seems to be consistent in first class - longer and shorter formats still; but sometimes I wonder if the Earth has swallowed him up or something - personally I thought he should have been in calculations long before Marsh. Whilst I agree with the selectors blooding raw talent - I would have thought with the loss of Watson who bowls accurate seamers and also Harris - who is also tight and moves the ball - Copeland should be in the 12 and even selected in the 11. Getting the balance right to win games is still important. Although I have mixed feelings about Hiffa - again maybe given his Int experience and is more likely to be tight then the 3 new younger players the selectors have chosen; maybe he should have got the nod at the expense of Copeland and one of those trio young players would have to sadly miss out - but glad we are blooding young players.

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 3:01 GMT)

There are 6 people in Australia who think that Brad Haddin should be in the Australian team. Unfortunately 5 of them are selectors and the other is Brad Haddin...

Posted by danielb999 on (November 27, 2011, 2:21 GMT)

I am not convinced about B.Cutting or M.Starc. I would only play Starc ahead of Cutting because of the Tour match. THis will be the probable tean for the Gabba. D.Warner, P.Hughes, U.Khawaja, R.Ponting, M.Clarke, M.Hussey, B.Haddin, J.Pattinson, P.Siddle, M.Starc, N.Lyon. P.Siddle and J.Pattinson to open the bowling with M.Starc as the first change bowler.

Posted by RandyOZ on (November 27, 2011, 1:47 GMT)

I am in strong agreeance with @dsig3. Siddle should be out with Copeland taking his place. I don't care if Siddle is the only one with experience. He is still rubbish and will get carted around the Gabba by the likes of McCullum. Why can't we drop this utter deadweight?

Posted by   on (November 27, 2011, 0:48 GMT)

Very inexperienced bowling attack, thought Hilfenhaus was unlucky. Starc is their project player Copeland is a victim of new selectors

Posted by GtExpress on (November 26, 2011, 23:16 GMT)

Copeland should have been selected ahead of Siddle!!! The team should be: Warner, Hughes, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Khawaja, Wade, Pattinon, Lyon, Starc, Copleland

A healthy Aussies squad should be: Watson, Warner, Ponting, Marsh, Clarke, Hussey, Tim Paine, Johnson, Harris, Cummings, Lyon

Posted by Moorei on (November 26, 2011, 22:56 GMT)

Some fantastic inclusions for this test, can't wait to watch these young kids have a crack, especially Warner. This kid has got the talent to be very special, and has a far better technique than Hughes, so expect him to maintain his spot with a good score at the Gabba.

Posted by Meety on (November 26, 2011, 22:37 GMT)

@Okakaboka - I agree that Haddin should go - but when was the last catch he dropped? His biggest issue is that he lets thru more byes than any Ozzy keeper ever. However, that could be explained by the fact he had to keep to MJ, who as we know does spray them. Also - bear in mind that he is historically Oz's 2nd best batsmen who is a keeper. @Wozza-CY - the NSW-bias arguement really has quite a lot of holes in it. Add how the best spinner in the country, (SOK), eventually makes the A-side against England, does well with bat & ball & then gets overlooked for some club cricketer Warney likes! @tfjones1978 - not a bad side or ideas - but SHOULD the KIWIS win, what do you think the backlash would be? It could destroy fledgling careers. The injury count was the decidin factor!

Posted by beestings_11 on (November 26, 2011, 22:36 GMT)

How on Earth can MItchell Starc be in this test team? Once again the selectors overlook Trent Copeland. Starc came out and played against our country team last 2 years ago and got none for plenty off 10 overs, how he even makes the nsw team is beyond me!

Posted by bubbageil on (November 26, 2011, 22:35 GMT)

Also, with a genuine talent at the top of the order in Cowan, maybe they can finally dispense with the Hughes experiment. Can't keep playing a guy who is ok at best one minute and rubbish the next.

Posted by bubbageil on (November 26, 2011, 22:32 GMT)

Not (yet) sold on Starc, also think Christian should've been given a go and despite Haddin's performance in Johannesburg they can't keep ignoring Wade forever.

Posted by Meety on (November 26, 2011, 22:29 GMT)

@Wozza-CY - yep its interesting how we got beaten in the Ashes by a side that's bowlers were basically man for man slower than ours in terms of sheer speed. Even Hilfy was faster than most of the Poms. Copeland operates less than 5kph slower than Anderson, although he would be better compared to Tremlett who is about 5kph faster. Perception is a funny thing! @Gordo85 - whilst I think Haddin should of retired (or be dropped at the end of the Saffa tour) - its probably been 25, (or 33) years since an Oz side has been so drastically changed. I can see why Haddin got selected - so if he gets selected - who is Vice, Ricky? Probably Hussey. @Luke Tapscott - Wade is a Tasmanian! LOL! @Mervo - Bollinger was injured recently. Patto & Cutting are definately test standard (IMO), Starc is a maybe - offset marginally by being a good batsmen, (ala MJ!!!!). @katandthat3 - IMO - Mitch Marsh is NOT an allrounder... YET!

Posted by Meety on (November 26, 2011, 22:14 GMT)

@Micgyver - they sort of did that to Pattinson in Sri Lanka (re: Copeland) @malomay - "...Warner 60 off 90 balls in the "A" game...Ed Cowan 145 off 270 balls..." - if you look at that as all there is to know about selections - you'd be 100% right. However, rightly or wrongly, Warner over a smaller career than Cowan's (in terms of FC games), has an average in FC cricket almost double Cowan's. Cowan's in good form at the moment - granted, however, he has not shown he can sustain this, still young enough to get there though! @one-eyed-but-keepinitreal - unfortunately for SOK - Beer somehow got the jump on him a year ago & it will take nothing short of a) a couple of 5 wicket hauls from SOK, or b) Beer getting slaughtered in a test (again), before SOK will overtake him. Probably take a year to get back ahead, (even though he already is ahead!).

Posted by straight_drive4 on (November 26, 2011, 21:28 GMT)

This inverarity sounds like a goose already. He says Copeland lacked opportunity, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU PICKED SIDDLE INSTEAD. he held his own on a very flat wicket in Sri Lanka and then didn't get an opportuntiy in a green top in south Africa. How does that justify him being cut when he hasn't had a real chance?? I hope inverarity isn't going to be another hilditch - but this isn't a good start.

Posted by filizant on (November 26, 2011, 21:23 GMT)

David Warner...sigh...they pick the guy who gets a big score every few innings with a 20-20 mindset, rather than the guy who has patience and can build an innings (i.e. Ed Cowan), like you're supposed to in test cricket.

Posted by slugger1969 on (November 26, 2011, 21:13 GMT)

So Cowan plays Australia A against the Poms and does well. He gets picked for Australia A again this year and makes 145. There's an opening spot up for grabs!! Hold on, what he has done is not good enough. Exactly how many did he have to make? Why was he bothering? Don't tell me that Warner was the heir apparent because Warner couldn't get picked in Australia A last year. So what has Warner done that is so magical to leapfrog Cowan?

Posted by Winsome on (November 26, 2011, 18:59 GMT)

Starc must have been picked due to his record at the GABBA. He'll probably do fine especially as the New Zealand batsmen like to play aggressively and so 'donate' their wickets. Neither he or Pattinson are that enthralling as prospects though. Neither of them hack a swathe through the Shield batsmen, but I would expect thems to do well at the GABBA.

Posted by uzairkhan87 on (November 26, 2011, 18:53 GMT)

Australia should win the series comfortably 2-0. Its their first series under Arthur coaching. Its a good opportunity to inject new talents in their side. New Zealand on the other end are short of match-winner like Shane Bond. They need someone like him although they ve got Bracewell who was promising in Zimbabwe. Its too soon to tell whether he will trouble Australian batsmen. They haven t beaten Australia in Test since 1993 and i believe they have to wait for further more years to inflict defeat on their Trans-Tasman rivals.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 17:30 GMT)

Dam Christian is more suited to the One day format. His bowling doesnt look to threatening to warrant a place in the Test Team. Michael Clarke needs to drop down to 5 and Hussey needs to move up to number.4

Posted by SamRoy on (November 26, 2011, 16:05 GMT)

@Haddin is a lucky *******. That 55 was the luckiest innings I have seen in a few years. Even though I am happy every time Australia loses, I still want fairness in team selection even for Australia. Brad Haddin's wicket-keeping is of Parthiv Patel and Kamran Akmal's standard (which means it is downright horrible. Just because you can catch some catches acrobatically doesn't make you awesome. Good quick hands and keeping in general while standing up is most important and Haddin looks a novice even after 30-odd tests.) and his batting has deserted him for the last few months....

Posted by whitesXI on (November 26, 2011, 14:38 GMT)

I really like the inclusion of Starc as a replacement left arm quick for Johnson, now Johno won't be retained later for his unique action. Pattinson and Cutting deserve their place as in form young guns. For all those Siddle bashers I'd like to point out that in his last 5 innings for Aus he has been the top wicket taker in 3 and only bowled 4 overs in one other, with an economy lower than Harris and Johnson most times. The biggest question from now is, does Aus play 4 quicks or 3 + Lyon? I am disapointed that Faulkner and Christian weren't considered as all-rounders, let's face it our batting line-up still looks very hit or miss with Warner, Hughes, Haddin, Ponting. I can't figure out Cowan's exclusion tho, he's not that old, has the right temperament, is in form and scored a ton in the Aus A match, what more do you need to do? Warner is worth trying in a dead rubber, but Cowan deserved a place in this test

Posted by Nathan30 on (November 26, 2011, 14:24 GMT)

Can someone please explain to me how Trent Copeland goes from 12th man to not in the squad? how could he have possibly done anything wrong. Personally he would be in my first XI even if every bowler in the country was available. I thought in Sri Lanka he balanced the side perfectly. Having an attacking wicket taker at the other end to Coplelad is the way to win a test match. We haven't had bowling pressure on the opposition since the Warne- McGrath era. Dissapointing selectors.

Posted by Tim40621 on (November 26, 2011, 14:11 GMT)

Well gone are the days of aussie greatness. Seems like baggy greens are handed out like sweets nowadays. If your an aussie youve got a chance now haha.

Posted by landl47 on (November 26, 2011, 14:04 GMT)

It's a promising, if inexperienced, bowling attack and this is the ideal situation in which to try them out. I feel very sorry for Copeland, who I think has been shoddily treated. He was picked in Sri Lanka on wickets that didn't suit him and bowled well; was overlooked in South Africa on wickets which would have been ideal for him and is dropped now because of 'lack of opprotunities'. Horse feathers. Siddle, on the other hand, only played 1 test in SL but then played in both the SA tests, didn't do much and is in the squad for this series. On what basis does he get the opportunities Copeland was denied? Otherwise, Starc, Cutting and Pattinson have all looked useful and deserve a chance. The batting, on the other hand, looks very flimsy. Warner, Hughes and Khawaja are all finding their way, Ponting's done, Hussey had a bad series against SA and Clarke had one memorable innings and three failures. With Haddin at #7 and the tail starting at 8, it's a weak line-up.

Posted by dsig3 on (November 26, 2011, 13:49 GMT)

Dont know how Copeland missed out. Barring Siddle who doesnt have a clue what he is doing, Copeland is the only bowler with some test experience. Its going to be a very green attack. I am now entertaining the thought that the Kiwis may be able to get a win in this series.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 13:36 GMT)

The Aussie selectors seem to obsessed with raw pace. It is dissapointing to see Starc getting a nod over Copeland. Copeland has a great record in domestic cricket whereas starc is yet to find his feet. He looks like a clone of Mitchell Johnson.

Copeland bowled great lines in Sl depite picking not many wickets. He is the bowler Aus should be looking at. Someone who can keep things tight at one end.

Posted by candycrutch on (November 26, 2011, 13:13 GMT)

guaranteed big score by Australia !!!! But will NOT bowl NZ out!! I think they have the Batting right finally ! It has to be Hughes, Warner, Khawaja, Ponting , hussy , Clarke ,, ( get rid of haddin ) Copland, Harris , Cummings, Lyon!! And I'm A Queenslander?? but cause of injuries, Change the bowlers to Copland , Cutting, Lyon and make Cummings bowl until his leg falls off!! Like the old Days when they were tough!!!

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

good to see pattinson get a look in but copeland should have been given opportunity after his success in sri lanka

Posted by tfjones1978 on (November 26, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

Haddin and Ponting has done nothing recently except for one innings. The squad should be (batting order): David Warner, Phillip Hughes, EJM Cowan, Michael Clarke (capt), Usman Khawaja, Michael Hussey (vice-capt), MS Wade (wk), Mitchell Starc, Ben Cutting, Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Nathan Lyon. I would make one of the pace trio 12th man. Whilst this would mean 5 players on debut and 8 players with little experience (exc Clarke, Hussey, Siddle) this would give Australia a good opportunity to blood new players and force the out of formers to do more to make their spot.

Posted by vamshi_teamindia on (November 26, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

good selection all over. Aussies now trying to blood the youngsters into the team! I think India test series will be the last one for ponting!!

Posted by Aaron1111 on (November 26, 2011, 12:10 GMT)

Matthew Wade is not Victorian, he is Tasmanian.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 12:06 GMT)

GOOD ATTACK AT LEAST SEEMS TO BE SO LAHORE PAKISTAN

Posted by VivGilchrist on (November 26, 2011, 12:04 GMT)

Still think Christian would've been a good option since Aus are missing an all-rounder without Watto in the team. He's in great form and scored another century today. I think Copeland is hard done by and Starc must have something special that I obviously don't see.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 11:53 GMT)

it will be good selection

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 11:50 GMT)

I would like to see Ponting and Hughes gone soon and replaced by people like Marsh (when he is fit), Cowan and even Ferguson. Hussey can still give runs and experience but I'm not too sure about haddin. No All-rounders. Surprise surprise.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 11:48 GMT)

AUSTRALIAN TEAM IS IN TRANSITION PHASE BUT THE NEW TALENT WILL COVER THAT GAP VERY SOON. THE ONLY WORRY IS WORLD CLASS TEST SPINNER.

Posted by Wozza-CY on (November 26, 2011, 11:29 GMT)

I still see a few clinging onto that old NSW argument, but really you're going to have to find a new one because there is simply no evidence or merit to your argument. For starters the selection panel is made up of Invers (SA) Marsh (WA) Arthur (WA) Bichel (QLD). NSW only has Clarke as national captain that has a say about selection. Katich was unceremoniously dropped this year without explination. Copeland performed credibly in SL & was the perenial drinks carrier in SA then dumped!! One out of the three new bowlers is from NSW, the others from Vic & Qld. Copeland has a better average than all of them. Warner has a FC avg of 59 vs Cowan at 37. But for those crying foul over Cowan vs Warner due to the NSW influence, the joke is on you because Cowan is from NSW.hahahaha. Seriously guys, find a new argument.

Posted by AidanFX on (November 26, 2011, 11:29 GMT)

Funny reading comments people bashing Warner for being only good at shorter form - sounds similar to the disdain the NSW seemed to show him earlier in his career - have a look at his recent stats in longer and shorter forms - his stats all round are very good because he is a class player. Warner has very good defensive shots as well as runs scoring shots - why because he is a genuinely class player. Other commentators such as Ian Chappel have noted his genuine skill and ability.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 11:19 GMT)

well i think that the openers are both sort of hitters and have deficient techniques although warner has improved somewhat...with ponting declining one would think that they could have looked for someone else..jacques, katich, cowan...also haddin is not that efficient a batsman and that makes it a very weak batting lineup...with no allrounder the new zealand fast bowlers if they play their best three must be looking to wipeup teh aussies..the bowlers are all inexperienced..starc did not impress in his earlier outings and siddle is a journeyman almost...hussey too was not at his best recently...so if new zealand are playing well they could think of this side as a sort of state side...clarke and hussey will have to block if teh top tumbles...with probably only cutting left down teh order if haddin fails...

Posted by the_flying_squad on (November 26, 2011, 10:29 GMT)

im over the nsw consipracies; look at the new selectors; w.a, qld, nsw and south afica.the anti nsw paranoia is just rediculous and i am from wa

Posted by Okakaboka on (November 26, 2011, 10:24 GMT)

@Meety..."I can hear the screaming already from the NSW-conspiracy brigade!"..Um..Sort of..errr...Yes! The retention of Haddin is scandalous.. Why keep the worst keeper in the country and not give the best or second best (Hartley's very good) keeper and quality batsman a run??? NSW favouritism ..or...the Captain's buddy. On a serious note, not happy about Copeland being dropped. Either Starc or Cutting should have missed. As I have pointed out before, a bowler can bowl great and not get wickets..other bowlers take advantage of impeccable line. Australia should have had the choice of Siddle or Copeland depending on the wicket. Pity about Ed Cowan..... Very good effort. Warner and Hughes NEED to perform. Hopefully this bowling attack really performs however, so we don't need to wait test after test after test for Johnston to perform. Hopefully Haddin won't do too much damage behind the stumps.. I don't like it when his dropped catches shatters the confidence of young bowlers!

Posted by hyclass on (November 26, 2011, 10:18 GMT)

Different selectors-same behaviour.I find myself speechless at selection policies that pay almost no heed to 1st class records over time. Cummins,Marsh & Harris' records are of players who are regularly injured.Marsh lasted exactly as long as his last 4 years said he would & the injury was the same one.Harris & Cummins were the same. Watsons record is of a player,who when bowled too often,gets injured,yet hes somehow down with the same injury again. Cutting has done nothing this game & is in the side. Were the selectors not watching the ODI that Starc played? It was v SL who had just won their 1st ever ODI series in Australia in the preceding game on 5th November'10. The game on the 7th November was a dead rubber and the SL played like they were hung over celebrating and were rolled for 115. McKay took 5/33 in that game.Warner has only ever made runs on small fast grounds,flat wickets v weak attacks.Any games with strong attacks or where there is bounce,swing or seam,Warner has failed.

Posted by thewayitwass on (November 26, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

excellent work from the selectors, although given the injuries this wasnt a tough job, honestly copeland should be there ahead of Siddle, but then your playing basically 3 debutants which is a bit too much inexperience.. Bollinger would be the perfect man to lead the youngsters in harris's absence

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 9:55 GMT)

im a nz fan and im shocked trent copeland got the boot he would of been great 4 australia bowling to mccullum who doesnt like to b tied down which is wat copeland specialisses in, i think nz can have a field dfay with siddles bowling which puts alot of pressure on the young guys,there excuse 4 siddle is we pick him 'coz he runs in hard all day' wat a joke,any way hears hopin to a great seriesgo u black caps

Posted by Simoc on (November 26, 2011, 9:54 GMT)

This is a weak selection for the new boys. But those selected start their careers on easy street if any tests can be called that. If they can't star against NZ well their career is somewhat limited. This is where the boys make there names in the big time.

Posted by hyclass on (November 26, 2011, 9:53 GMT)

@gjando....Its time people stopped blindly beating the technique drum.Nielsen invented it to cover his appalling behaviour.Hughes had 1637 runs & 8 100s in the preceding 10 games to the 09 Ashes tour.Pre Nielsen,Hughes was brilliant.See Youtube Hughes 115 v SA & 160 v SA.Nielsen forced absurd changes to Hughes game before that tour.It left Hughes a sitting duck.Hughes has 65 1st class games & 5435 runs at 49 with 17 100s. I consider that due dilligence. He is in Wisden as the youngest player ever to score twin 100s in a Test. He has 3 Test 100s & averages 38 in Test cricket.He recently became Australias 4th youngest Test batsman to 1000 runs. Hes won every junior & 1st class award & scored 231 runs in the Shield Final vs Tas in March this year,facing a total of 456 balls for the match. Cowans played 12 less 1st class games,scored 2100 fewer runs runs at a low 36. He has 7 fewer 100s. He scored 87 fewer runs in the Shield final. His 1st class average is lower than Hughes Test average.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 9:31 GMT)

Good Selection except for Haddin who should give way to Paine or Wade.Between Starc and Pattinson one should get a debut.Warner is a bit of a surprise inclusion given he has played very less Shield Cricket.However Warner for me is a left-handed Sehwag and can surely succeed in Test Cricket if he is able to get huge scores consistently.

Posted by popcorn on (November 26, 2011, 9:21 GMT)

The positives are - the opportunity has presented itself on a platter because of the 5 definites who are injured. Hope the debutants and Nathan Lyon grab their opportunities with both hnds and provide the Selectors with options to take forward to the India and West Indies series.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 8:56 GMT)

To those asking for Ed Cowan & Matt Wade to be picked, how many debutants do you think the selectors would have wanted??? We already have a minimum of 3 in the 1st test. Of course, I would have liked to see Cowan in place of Hughes but changing half your side is not a good sign; especially against the Kiwis who bring their top game to Aus always. And Warner has a solid technique and can stay at the crease long - watchers of Sydney grade cricket know. Given the circumstances, the selectors have taken a good step towards the future and I'm excited for the 1st test!

Posted by Garricks on (November 26, 2011, 8:54 GMT)

Copes a bit stiff...must be mates with Katich. I know its tough with injuries, but geez, who would part with their hard earned to attend this "Test Match". Expect a lot of straight half volleys miss timed to the fielders....

Posted by katandthat3 on (November 26, 2011, 8:50 GMT)

Not a bad squad and due to injuries not as exciting as I was hoping. Copeland is unlucky but just a little out of rhythm at the moment due to lack of game time, could still have gone ok. I think an allrounder could have been put in there like a Mitch Marsh, Faulkner, Butterworth or even McDonald. See how we go with our attack, happy for Cutting but still not sold on Starc although he has performed well at the Gabba. Siddle I'm never 100% confident about although he busts his hump but signs were a little more promising on the lengths he bowled in SA. Hopefully Pattinson can move the ball otherwise he'll come on to the bat beautifully. Haddin can count himself lucky as Wade should have been picked but as mentioned by a few others, they are keen to get Paine in there, still I didn't think a reason to keep an out of form player in from one who is in golden form. Might be Haddin's bow out after the NZ series. Still exciting times to see how this summer will go, it'll be a topsy turvy one

Posted by wix99 on (November 26, 2011, 8:44 GMT)

I think the choice of David Warner is great. He deserved the opportunity as he has shown that he can play the longer form of the game in the few first class matches he has played. Once Shane Watson and Shaun Marsh are both fit it will be interesting to see how the selectors shape the batting lineup.

Posted by RandyOZ on (November 26, 2011, 8:41 GMT)

What is Haddin the vice cpatina of? Pathetic Keeping? If so he should be the captain! I Can't believe that Haddin is still being selection. Mickey Arthur already has a bad mark again his name for this and the selection of Siddle. Pathetic.

Posted by RandyOZ on (November 26, 2011, 8:30 GMT)

Siddle? You are joking right? I spose at least the other 3 are absolute guns. Our fast bowling depths run incredibly deep.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 8:24 GMT)

Should have given Huss the vice captaincy, Mr. Cricket is the man. Shame Copeland missed out, deserves his spot in the team, but having said that, at least he wasn't over-looked for some aging has been, good to see youth the forefront on teh selectors minds, just hope those younger guys are good enough to win us the first test.

Posted by Bone101 on (November 26, 2011, 8:23 GMT)

I like this team. My only question mark remains over Haddin. Maybe with all the other debutants in for this match, they've held onto him for a bit of experience? Wade will hopefully keep pushing.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 8:19 GMT)

How many from this squad will feature against India ? If every one is fit their best XI could be: Warner/Hughes, Watson, Marsh, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Wade, Johnson, Hauritz, Harris, Cummins, Copeland(12th Man).

Only their 3 senior most players are playing in this squad. I wish Haddin and Hughes to continue their inconsistent performance against Kiwis to prove that their selectors are wrong.

Posted by Brendanvio on (November 26, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

A lack of opportunities for Copeland? He bowled well in Sri Lanka and unlike the other four has played test cricket! What the hell are they thinking there?

Judging from the results coming out of the NZ v Aus A game, they're going to enjoy facing one of those three.

About the only person I think that should be forcing his way into the squad would be Matt Wade. Brad better do well, otherwise this will be his last Australian summer.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 8:10 GMT)

Well they got rid of some of the dead weight through injury to Mitchell Johnson (Totally agree and have so for a long time with Neil Harvey). Mitchell Johnson is so hit and miss it is laughable. When he is in form with the ball he is a match winner - problem is - he is only a match winner once every 6 matches - the other times he goes missing. -- Wished they went one more and got rid of Haddin. His keeping is sub standard and his batting is hit and miss now a days. The way he went out in the first test's second innings is not acceptable when the occassion clearly needed a player to step up and take control of the situation. There is a perfectly good replacement in the form of Matthew Wade - Oh that's right he is a Victorian and only NSW players get selected in the national squad.

Posted by Mooky on (November 26, 2011, 8:09 GMT)

still say Johnson jumped before he was pushed

Posted by Ben1989 on (November 26, 2011, 7:35 GMT)

interesting about haddin, maybe last time playing in aus? hopefully so, surprised no Copeland but at least they've commented he can get back in the team, not just surprisde selections like previous era.

Posted by donda on (November 26, 2011, 7:32 GMT)

NZ is going to fancy there chances with this bowling attack. I hope NZ wins the series and have some respect in test cricket. This is the opportunity win in australia NZ.

Posted by SamimArif on (November 26, 2011, 7:29 GMT)

I think it should be Pattinson and Starc who get the call for the final Eleven and Waner openning with Hughes.

Posted by Aussierise on (November 26, 2011, 7:25 GMT)

pretty good from selectors..thumbs up!! i'm glad they are giving cutting, starc, & pattinson a go..even though only 2 of them will play with siddle. See how warner goes..could be good to partner him with Marsh/Khawaja to open down the track (I think Hughes will need to find a better medium between his best & worst or he will be out like M North..18 months solid in the state system will make him a much better player).The only real areas where I think selection could of improved is the obvious Haddin situation. It is now becoming clearer by the day that they want to wait until Paine is not injured and ready for the direct swap...Haddin for Paine. Wade has been in great touch....but obviously the selectors view that Paine is the next in line.....otherwise Wade would of been playing this test. Also worth adding that Paine and M Clarke are very good friends so you can see the path they are taking. Christian, M Marsh, Butterworth all great allrounders for future & maybe could of blooded one!

Posted by aokd on (November 26, 2011, 7:05 GMT)

Why would you not wait until the Australia A game has been completed before naming the squad? Also Trent Copeland very stiff, the only reason he wasn't playing for Aus A is because he was busy being 12th man for the test team in South Africa.

Posted by Meety on (November 26, 2011, 7:05 GMT)

Didn't think Starc would get picked. I can hear the screaming already from the NSW-conspiracy brigade - LOL! Dunno that Starc should of got the jump on Copeland. On a Green pitch - Copeland went wicketless but as usual he was tight.

Posted by gjando on (November 26, 2011, 7:04 GMT)

The selectors have got it wrong again. Opening with two batsman who both don't have the technique, intelliegnce or temperant for test cricket. Hughes is a liability on all fronts.

Ed Cowan was born to play test cricket; technique, patience, intelligence and temperant. So Cowan gets picked in Australia 'A' after getting runs last year and again early this shield season, he then scores 143 against the Black Cats and he cannot get a gig. Are these not the credentials of the past that got you selected to represent Australia...score a lot of runs at shield level.

Neither Warner or Hughes has done the yards to get selected...and Hughes as not cemented his spot to date...he scored a token century in Sri Lanka and one half century in SA and then went missing in the second innings in the run chase.

We might have new selectors but it's the same imcompetence.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:59 GMT)

This is what I like to see. A bit of brave selection for a change - most people had their money on Johnson retaining his place but he's been cut loose, and Cutting has leap frogged the Australia A boys. Would have liked to have seen at least Haddin replaced because by this stage he clearly isn't a long-term prospect but we'll see how things shape up from here.

Posted by smith49 on (November 26, 2011, 6:52 GMT)

What's wrong with Steve Smith?

Posted by gjando on (November 26, 2011, 6:51 GMT)

Haddin as vice-captain...give me a break. Haddin is a liability as a keeper and batsman, has no self-awareness and is completely self-obessed...how does a non-team player get the gig as vice-captain...probably because there is no-one else...what a pitiful legacy the previous selection panel left behind.

I don't care how new he is to the team, but i would have given the vice-captain job to Khawaja.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:47 GMT)

Fine team but where is Trent Copeland. He can be a healthy addition to the ODI team as well with his economic bowling.

Posted by elle119 on (November 26, 2011, 6:44 GMT)

So all the changes that the new selectors have made have been forced through injury. Would have been interesting to see how they picked if there had been no injuries. Unfortunately Haddin has once again been picked despite his horrible performances and and I do not see the selectors fascination with Siddle. Average bowler that does not takes wickets regularly. Would much rather have seen Copeland in the squad over Siddle. Here's to hoping that when Watson and Harris return from injury, they don't have to pick players based on "experience" and can finally drop Haddin and Siddle (and eventually Hughes as well). Am willing to bet that it won't happen though ... <sigh>

Posted by Heisenburg on (November 26, 2011, 6:39 GMT)

Why the hell isn't Copeland playing?

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:38 GMT)

Am I missing something? Is Hilditch still a selector? Copeland was the next-best fast bowler so was picked but left to rot in South Africa, only gets to play 2 first-class matches since September, doesn't get to fly back in time for the Australia A match, and when the opportunity arises he gets dropped because the selectors think he's stale. Who's fault is that?? It's like they want him to fail.

Posted by matthewthorpe on (November 26, 2011, 6:30 GMT)

interestingly all the media in australia has been talking about ben hilfenhaus making a return due to all these injuries. glad they're going for someone new

Posted by Behind_the_bowlers_arm on (November 26, 2011, 6:30 GMT)

No Wade? Haddin sounds worryingly entrenched being named as vice captain. Kick in the teeth for Copeland as some more bowlers jump over him but the thoughts of the new selectors will only become clear when all the injured players are available. The India First Test team I presume will show the longer term thinking. Will be concerned if we are still seeing Johnson & Haddin by then.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:28 GMT)

Nice Young line-up. Mixture of Youth and experience. Good Selection. Would love to see Starc and Pattinson.

Posted by bonner on (November 26, 2011, 6:27 GMT)

Where's Douggie WTH!!?

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:14 GMT)

I think D Warner is a mistake,nothing against him but i would have picked E Cowan before Warner only because P Hughes is also a dasher an with Cowan MAYBE have a steadier head an have a decent start of innings.Good luck to Warner tho its just my thoughts

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:13 GMT)

Very surprised at the exclusion of Trent Copeland, who I was hoping would be in playing XI having missed out in SA. Don't know what the selectors are thinking by picking a relatively new attack.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:13 GMT)

So far in the season, infact from previous years as well I was really impressed with Ben Cutting's performance. With his lower order hitting and wicket taking abilities he is as strong as any other all-rounder in their domestic circuit. Wishing him to get a game at his home ground in Gabba. I would also like to see James Faulkner in Oz colours sooner than later.

Starc is not that much matured to Test level, surely u will agree with me before the end of December. If u picked him based on Gabba record only that is a rubbish decision, especially at the cost of Copeland, who was seriously hoping for a spot after so many injuries to starting XI.

Posted by Kothandaram on (November 26, 2011, 6:13 GMT)

Probably the best squad that could have been selected given the injuries and all that. wish Warner rises to the occasion and proves his worth in the Tests. chance for the likes of Cutting, Starc, Pattinson to make a mark

Posted by HARIS355 on (November 26, 2011, 6:11 GMT)

great! now lets hope for the young Aussie blood to bring a better change in the test side, no Harris and Johnson will make our bowling attack less effective, but lets hope that Starc and Pattinson could fulfill their vacancy. Batting department, though, needs just a little betterment. Anyways, best of luck to Australia for this tour and specially for the India series!

Posted by Buggsy on (November 26, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

Hmm interesting. With India around the corner these injuries couldn't have come at a worse time, but I guess it's finally time to see if Warner is test material. I hope he goes extraordinarily well, although I have my doubts.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 6:00 GMT)

Wow i cant believe Copeland was left out. what a smack in the face for him. This is a weak bowling lineup. siddle wont take a wicket. starc will only get some tail enders slogging out. so the pressure will be on either cutting or pattinson. Who is going to bowl the long spells. Siddle may bowl with so called heart but the longer his spells the more he leaks runs, he drags the ball short and he goes for alot. i dont see cutting bowling long spells, neither pattinson. I guess hussey better get in some bowling practice in the nets.

Posted by PriyankBandhu on (November 26, 2011, 5:53 GMT)

I would have loved to see a better young team for australia. My playing 11 will be 1. David Warner, 2. Philip Hughes, 3. Callum Fergusion , 4. Michael Clarke 5. Cameron White 6. Usman Khwaja, 7. Tim Paine 8. James Pattinson, 9.Nathan Lyon, 10.Peter Siddle, 11. Mitchell Starc

Posted by Mervo on (November 26, 2011, 5:47 GMT)

Amazing and real second 11. Pattison has a bowling average in first class cricket of 29 with only 28 wickets. His batting average is 8. Not test cricket standard surely. In a couple of years perhaps.

Cutting has a batting average of 20, with 83 first class wickets at 25. Maybe ...

Starc has only 48 wickets at the unflattering average of 32. Can't see a case there either for test cricket.

On the stats of these three only Cutting might get a look in at this stage but surely Hilfenhaus or Bollinger would be the 'go-to' guys at this stage. It is Test Cricket after all.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 5:46 GMT)

excellent selections by Australia. Wade should have been included as keeper to keep haddin on his toes. Great bowling attack. Pattinson, Starc, cutting and cummins are australias future with bolinger, siddle and harris providing backup. Still need a spinner and watson should be our bowling allrounder in at 6.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 5:35 GMT)

Good news is David Warner is in the side hope he is doing well

Posted by pikk0n on (November 26, 2011, 5:31 GMT)

And Copeland misses out again. Well, I suppose his figures this season haven't been that impressive in domestic cricket but you need someone like him. At least pick George or you'll end up with the same farce that has been Aus cricket since they decided to get rid of Clark. Still early days but with the selection policy at the moment, I don't see any difference between the current selection panel and the one under Hilditch. Let's hope the players prove me wrong.

Posted by Gordo85 on (November 26, 2011, 5:24 GMT)

This is some kind of joke I think. Ed Cowan should be in the Test squad instead of David Warner for a start if Warner does play which it looks like he will you have the likes of poor old David Hussey never getting a Test because they all thought he was only any good in the shorter forms and to me David Warner is pretty much the same to be honest so one gets a go because he is from NSW and the other didn't get a go years ago because he is from Victoria? I am shocked to read Brad Haddin is Vice Captain I think that is due to Michael Clarke being a NSW team mate and being a selector. Mike Hussey is very lucky but I would have dropped Haddin for Wade and made Mike Hussey Vice Captain. If Mike Hussey doesn't improve soon he will be dropped. It is good to see two players from Victoria get a spot but it should have been three. On the TV the selectors said "the spots of Ponting,Haddin and Hussey were never mentioned about being dropped". Six players from NSW but I am not blaming Mickey Arthur.

Posted by MalolanR on (November 26, 2011, 5:20 GMT)

Why Still We Are Persisting With Phil Hughes Who Has A Very Weak Technique Instead Of Picking The In-Form Ed Cowan Who Has A Better Technique And Has Been Scoring Centuries Consistently For Australia A

Posted by Wozza-CY on (November 26, 2011, 5:15 GMT)

I have to say I'm shocked about leaving Copeland out. In recent times, ozi selectors seem to think unless you bowl 140 k's ur not up for test cricket... But that hasn't really worked has it? Can't really build any pressure going at 5 runs an over, which all these bowlers can do. No argument with Warner or cutting, but with Watto out, I would have preferred at least one bowler whose priority is accuracy.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 5:09 GMT)

I think the future just arrived. It will be interesting to see which bowler gets left out. It Cutting gets cut, the tail is going to start at 8. Even if he plays, the tail will still begin at 9.

Posted by Joh22 on (November 26, 2011, 4:57 GMT)

I like it. Only other possibility is perhaps an allrounder to help cover for Watto's bowling, i.e. Faulkner or M Marsh. As it is they will probably have to play Siddle as the workhorse as an experienced body.

Posted by samgannon22 on (November 26, 2011, 4:56 GMT)

Good team apart from Ponting, Haddin, Hughes and Siddle. At least they didn't go back to Hilfenhaus! That dead horse has been well and truly flogged. Pity the selectors couldn't start completely afresh and rid the afore mentioned players too. I'm hoping the vice-captaincy is just a bone thrown to Haddin to soften the blow when he is ushered out for Wade or Paine.

Posted by Saikat_Chakraborty on (November 26, 2011, 4:53 GMT)

last chance for Ricky Ponting?

Posted by smudgeon on (November 26, 2011, 4:46 GMT)

So the XI would likely be Hughes, Warner, Khawaja, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Haddin, Cutting, Siddle, Starc, Pattinson? Or Lyon in lieu of Starc or Pattinson? Not sure if they're likely to pick Lyon considering the recent history of the Gabba's surfaces. An all-out pace attack sounds quite attractive, although it'd be poor luck to Lyon who didn't do too badly in SA on similar pitches. I wouldn't have minded seeing an all-rounder in the squad seeing as Watson is injured (however they select, it'll be a long-ish tail), someone like Faulkner perhaps. Eh, I guess the A team picks show where the selectors were heading, shouldn't expect any surprises. In all, a good squad considering the injury situation. You'd think perhaps Haddin's on notice, though - Wade has scored some runs in the tour match & been tidy with the gloves, Paine isn't too far away from being fit again too.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 4:43 GMT)

Seen a few Aus domestic One dayers and Mitchell Starc did look pretty good.

Posted by HatsforBats on (November 26, 2011, 4:42 GMT)

Copeland should feel very hard done by here. Whilst I'm excited at the prospect of Starc and Pattinson, Copeland is a valuable bowler to have in the side keeping things tight at one end. Starc & Siddle can both be expensive (haven't seen much of Pattinson) and Hilfenhaus hasn't exactly forced his way back into the team through weight of wickets. Starc & Hilf have both have had good games in Brisbane this season, maybe that's the deciding factor? I'd prefer Copeland, Cutting & Hifenhaus with Starc for variation and aggression if they're going with a 4-man pace attack. Should be exciting to watch whoever they go with.

Posted by one-eyed-but-keepinitreal on (November 26, 2011, 4:40 GMT)

Not unhappy with the pace bowling selections given availability. Copeland can feel unlucky. SOK would have been a better spin option. Siddle bowled at a much better length in SA. Hilfenhaus would have been like selecting Scott Muller to hold back Brett Lee's debut....a great leap backwards.

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 4:39 GMT)

Doubt they can get 10 wickets in the match with this attack

Posted by malomay on (November 26, 2011, 4:39 GMT)

Warner 60 off 90 balls in the "A" game...Ed Cowan 145 off 270 balls.......I know who I'd rather have as an opening bat in a 5 day Test Match !!

Posted by jonesy2 on (November 26, 2011, 4:37 GMT)

that is so harsh on trent copeland. he has done absolutely nothing wrong.

Posted by Dashgar on (November 26, 2011, 4:31 GMT)

So disappointing not to see Matthew Wade in this squad after all Haddins troubles and Wade's form. Ed Cowan is also unlucky after a big hundred against NZ. Seems the selectors don't want to axe anyone with all the injuries we have.

Posted by getaclue on (November 26, 2011, 4:24 GMT)

I can see Copeland repeatedly being ommitted due to a supposed style that suits certain pitches, despite pretty fair stats throughout Aus. Pretty unlucky

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 4:20 GMT)

Thank God hilfenhaus isn't there. Sad to see that Wade and Cowan are not there. Wonder who will be 12th man? (hopefully not Pattinson)

Posted by farkin on (November 26, 2011, 4:16 GMT)

by the look of this team its the bowlers that will have to save Australia

Posted by carntheredbacks on (November 26, 2011, 4:12 GMT)

Not sure what else Ed Cowan has to do to get a game!

Classic modern selection decision by picking style over substance.

Brad Haddin filling in as VC is a joke, is very fortunate to even be there.

Posted by sifter132 on (November 26, 2011, 4:11 GMT)

Interesting. Starc has done well at the Gabba recently and previously. We'll see if he gets a run...

Posted by George1123 on (November 26, 2011, 3:53 GMT)

Understandable. Horses for courses

Posted by Micgyver on (November 26, 2011, 3:50 GMT)

Im not usually one to whinge too much about selections but why take Copeland on a Sth African tour as a reserve bowler then a week later discard him.Does'nt make any sense.

Posted by one-eyed-but-keepinitreal on (November 26, 2011, 3:48 GMT)

Pattinson and Starc would be very smart selections. Siddle's length was much better in SA He didn't bowl too short. Hilfenhaus is a great step backwards. Cutting and Copeland (Faulkner, Bird, Coulter-Nile, the guy playing second grade down the street and many others) should feel disappointed if he is selected before them.

Posted by MenFromMarts on (November 26, 2011, 3:37 GMT)

Please don't tell me they are leaving out Trent Copeland. What was that about seeing the forest for the trees??

Posted by   on (November 26, 2011, 3:27 GMT)

It could well and truly be Mitchell Starc to make his d├ębut. Pattinson doesn't have a good 1st class batting average and so Australia needs batting in the lower order given Johnson is injured. They could spring a suprise to NZ as they did to England with Siddle leading the attack. With no Watson, they look like they're a bowler short. Clarke needs to increase his workload with his left armers and maybe out bowl Daniel Vettori. It would be interesting to see how Lyon performs at home given he hasn't had a lot of success in the Sheffield Shield but he is Australia's no. 1 spinner.

Posted by mightymf2000 on (November 26, 2011, 3:15 GMT)

Personally hope that Starc makes his debut as he has been fairly promising though same goes for Pattinson.

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