Australian news

Cuts shouldn't stop with Katich - Warne

ESPNcricinfo staff

June 9, 2011

Comments: 93 | Text size: A | A

Shane Warne and Ricky Ponting search for answers on a forgettable day for Australia, Bangladesh v Australia, 1st Test, Fatullah, April 9, 2006
"Don't hang onto the older guys in there, say 'we're in transition, give us a bit of time', but have 35 or 37-year-olds still playing Test cricket or one day cricket" Hamish Blair / © Getty Images
Enlarge

Shane Warne has said the Australian selectors should not have stopped with Simon Katich when they chose to remove ageing players from the list of Cricket Australia contracts.

After Katich decided whether or not to continue playing and announced he would speak about his future at the SCG on Friday, Warne argued that other players - namely the 30-something trio of former captain Ricky Ponting, the middle-order batsman Mike Hussey and the wicketkeeper Brad Haddin - should also be making way.

"Katich losing his contract was a bit disappointing because I think he's been a true performer for a while. But I understand the logic of leaving him out," Warne told the radio station Triple M.

"The one thing about Cricket Australia I would say, and the current [group]; if you're going to say you're in transition, I think for the fans and the public and everyone out there who wants to support the Australian cricket team, let's see some youngsters in there.

"Don't hang on to the older guys in there, say 'we're in transition, give us a bit of time', but have 35 or 37-year-olds still playing Test cricket or one-day cricket. Get them in there, to get some experience and say 'we're in transition'.

"Let's stop sliding down to No. 5 in the world; [if] we keep playing the same players but saying 'we're in transition', it doesn't work."

Warne's sentiments were pointed in their direction at the likes of Ponting and Hussey, and also an indication that he would like to see the new captain Michael Clarke granted the chance to build his own team.

Katich, meanwhile, has taken time to reach his decision, which may involve cricket irrespective of whether or not he decides to play on. Paul Marsh, the chief executive of the Australian Cricketers' Association, has said that for Katich to be lost to Australian cricket altogether would be "a bad outcome" for the game.

Katich has, however, found support in former Australia opener Michael Slater, who unlike Warne, felt that Katich's age was irrelevant given his consistent performance. "I think he has been appallingly hung ... If his replacement (Phil Hughes) came in scoring hundreds and was red hot, then I can understand an injury stopping someone in their mid-30s," Slater told the Daily Telegraph. "But that clearly hasn't happened.

"The system that is being reviewed at the moment around the country, what are they reviewing? The first thing they should be reviewing is the selectors and the selection process and I'd start with the chairman of selectors."

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

Posted by Lancastrian on (June 10, 2011, 22:37 GMT)

I think Shane Warne is entitled to his opinion, but he is wrong. The greatness of Australia's dominance in the late 1990s to mid 2000s was that the veterans were able to bring the youngsters through. The balance was right and no-one could catch up. In 2011, the quality is not the same and Australia have been brought back to the field. It would be folly at this stage to ditch the likes of Ponting, Hussey, Haddin and Katich because the talent pool isn't good enough yet to put these proven match-winners out to grass. Rather than looking at a batting line-up that is still very capable of putting together good scores on the wickets of the world, they need to look at an attack, which over a number of tests, has not perormed consistently enough to make sure that both England and South Africa have been kept at bay.

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 19:54 GMT)

Warnie, mate, i've got to disagree. A blend of youth and experience is vital and Hussey, Katich, and Lee (in limited overs internationals) could have been that experience. Ponting, and possibly Haddin, should have got the axe. If Katich has to be re-contracted, he would have to wait a year and that would just be a backward step. The selectors have to move on with what they have now. They need to get Khawaja in and make him open, if they are looking for consistency. It won't be the first time that a number 3 or middle order batsman has been made to open; in fact, it seems to have worked really well in the past as long as the player is high quality, which Khawaja is. The Aussie first XI should now be (in batting order): Watson, Khawaja, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Paine, Smith/Hauritz, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Bollinger.

Posted by elsmallo on (June 10, 2011, 19:33 GMT)

Warne's capable of opening his mouth without thinking at times but he's shrewd too and this is a shrewd moment. Yeah he played himself into his late 30's then IPL and awful facelift blah blah but he was one of the all-time greats and I can't remember anyone else knocking on his door. Ponting is not of the same class, neither Katich who never impressed against England. I'd possibly keep Hussey and Haddin. It's not so much an age thing as about creating space for a new side and a new era. These guys have had their chance and should be grateful for it.

Posted by rohanbala on (June 10, 2011, 14:31 GMT)

Shane Warne should have stopped playing in the IPL long ago before talking about action to be taken on Ricky Ponting, Michael Hussey and Brad Haddin on the lines adopted by the selectors in the case of Simon Katich. Everyone knows why Shane Warne wants to play in the IPL!

Posted by landl47 on (June 10, 2011, 13:31 GMT)

The point that Warne was making and that a lot of people are missing is that Australia are losing to the better teams.In the last 12 months the only team they've beaten in a series is Bangladesh. They've lost to India in India, Sri Lanka in Australia and been thrashed by England in Australia. Their World Cup ended in the quarter-finals after winning it three times in a row. The comparisons with the Australia of 2006 or India now are not valid because those teams were and are winning. When your team isn't winning, the existing players aren't getting the job done and something has to be changed. Players that are only going to decline should be replaced. It probably means a few years in the wilderness, but eventually the new guard will come through. I don't often agree with Warne, but this time he's right.

Posted by Gizza on (June 10, 2011, 12:47 GMT)

Lot of commentors think Warne was serious about these cuts. He's not (so Warne is definitely not a sore loser of anything). You can tell he was being sarcastic/exaggerating if you followed what he said on twitter and on his official website.

Posted by fallschirmjaeger on (June 10, 2011, 12:47 GMT)

all i would say is let the aussies mess themselves up more. every nation has to ruin itself for others to go ahead. look at windies. now its aussies. no sweat. lets make hay when sun shines ;)

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 10:54 GMT)

Totally retarded I mean, just look at Tendulkar He'z in the 40'S and India aren't complete without him

Posted by Charindra on (June 10, 2011, 10:39 GMT)

Wow... Wonder how Warne would have felt if he was dropped when he reached 35??? I think he's still bitter about losing captaincy to Ponting. And let's face it, Warne would never have been that successful with a senior team as he was with club or county sides. He can handle youngsters, but senior pros need different man mangement skills.

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 9:18 GMT)

what is the hype about age. I think age does not matter when one is performing. Look at Sanath Jaysuria who at the age of 38 was performing like a youngster. Now he is almost 42 and the selctors have selected him to play ODI and T.20. I think all these glorification about blooding youngsters is going to back fire and the number 1 and 2 teams are going to go further down the ranking if we are overzealous in selecting young players. India is proving to be a formidable force even without the stars and this augurs well for the future of INDIAN CRICKET. We should applaud the decision of Tendulkar who wanted to take a break. At this age, he knows he cannot overstretch himself and thus the chance for youngsters to shine. This should be the policy of Australi and other teams and the more established players should be sparingly used and give a chance to the youngsters. If Sachin, and other senior players were available, Kohli, Raina and Badri would not have got their chances

Posted by Browndog1968 on (June 10, 2011, 7:57 GMT)

Interesting opinion Warnie from a guy who joined a team full of players like Border, Boon, Marsh, Jones & Alderman who were all in their 30s

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 5:49 GMT)

This is just Stupid! Now that warne was kicked out he is jealous of the others....Hussey has just peaked...nobody can replace him right now!

Posted by soorajiyer on (June 10, 2011, 5:12 GMT)

Katich getting an axe ? I thought he was their best batsmen for last 2-3 years. Along with watson, they get through the team to a decent 50 average start!

And their spin selection is a shame! Jason Krejza is easily the best attacking spinner in australia! Remember he bowled brilliantly in India - yes he went for runs but that was against Sehwag/Sachin not against any tom dick n harry! I really felt he should be given a season.

Andrew H - total waste of time. Selecting a team when the all time greats played the game is a job which even my 6 yr old son would do :) Give it to warne man, he will transform australia and please stop mr.Langer to tinker with Hughes. That fellow was a guy destined to greatness - untill Mr.Ponting jokingly dropped after a single test match. Getting out to Freddie isnt a shame, is it? Poor guy is down with confidence. Get him to speak to Mr.Waugh Sr please :)

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 4:29 GMT)

I am tired of 'youth policy' number 6 batsman & the first change bowler can be the kids but the other 9 should always be the top 9 players regardless. There are men still playing IPL/State cricket who are 'too old' or retired for IPL that you could put them into a team of their own & smash the current team to bits.

Australia A teams are the solution, get them playing associate teams with some TV coverage, revolve players from the Premier team to the A team & back again. They could have offered Katich captaincy of the A team & move him back up if the kids cant perform, now they just lose him like so many others.

Posted by ruester on (June 10, 2011, 3:30 GMT)

Haven't Australia been rebuilding for the last 3 or 4 seasons? How long will it take? From what I have seen Australian young batsman do not come close to the crop of batsman you had 10 years ago, who did not get a look in. The quality of player has fallen dramatically. A few years ago the Australian 2nd eleven would of and did give many a touring side a beating. What happened...complacency perhaps??? I don't know what the short term soloution is? If they are going to let the young players play. Let them all succeed or fail together, the best will survive and let all the older players go. Yes you will lose test matches but in the end you will know what players can cut it and who can't. Hughes, North, Ferguson, Smith, Khwaja and any number of bowlers can be given a go. But give them more than a series to prove what they can do.

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 2:40 GMT)

I think we should lose the misplaced arrogance which has plagued our side since the ashes loss in 2005. We've been waning ever since. Lose the attitude and get on with it. Katich was a player like that- no nonsense and no prima donna like Watson. Hughes may be possibly the next greatest thing in cricket but Langer keeps tinkering with his technique and he appears more confused than ever. Interesting times for Australian cricket. Shame that Clark doesn't appear to have the toughness of a Border or the tactical nous of a Taylor. They are the kind of people we need now.

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 2:38 GMT)

it may to some extent, but does age really matter?

Posted by   on (June 10, 2011, 2:01 GMT)

Australian Cricket finally seems to have hit the age-old road block just before the actualy "transition phase"... there are in a spot where they want to show that they are trying to do something.. but are completely unaware of what could be done... As Warne points out, Aus enters the transition.. so it means phasing out the "Aged guy"... But they cant dare touch Ponting or Hussey coz of their status and Persona.. Haddin doesn have a replacement to be honest.. so go back to the Fall Guy... the Scape Goat... the usually "silent" Mr. Katich.. and give him the boot..

Posted by bobagorof on (June 10, 2011, 1:30 GMT)

If the selectors are looking for a young player who is performing well and has some experience, then Copeland. But pandering to Ponting in the hope he will regain his former glory, at the expense of the most consistent batsman of the past 3 years is ludicrous. I understand the need to regenerate the team. But you do so by dropping players who are not performing. If a guy is fit and in form, don't kick him out of the team - surely results are what is important. If he retires or loses form, then you can bring in your wonder-child. There is no logic on dropping a performing player who could be around for another 1-2 years, but keeping a non-performing player who you hope will regain form so that they can be around for 1-2 years!!

Posted by Joji_ on (June 10, 2011, 1:29 GMT)

Simon Katich was a treat to watch when he was on the crease. The way he walked across and shuffled before playing a delivery was just beyond comprehension. Before he was injured, he had put up some magnificently solid performances on the board. Replacing him with someone like Philip huges is a bad decision in my book. In current day and age, a cricketers age doesn't matter a lot if he is performing !! Katich definitely deserved a cut to be in the team !! Its a big loss in the test arena where technically solid players are already on the decline. !!

Posted by slugger1969 on (June 10, 2011, 1:08 GMT)

Not a fan at all of the 'age' excuse. Sorry but I don't give a rats if you have youth on your side or not. If someone wants to replace Katich then get better than him. Why get a cushy ride just because you are younger? Prove your worth. If you aren't going to bust your way into the side with sheer weight of runs or wickets in domestic cricket then don't bother. Put Katich and Hughes on a Gabba greentop or a juicy Headingley deck and I know who I would back to survive. It's not all about how fast you score. If that's all you care about as a spectator then go and watch an old 'cowboys and indians' movie. Plenty of action there. On good decks, Katich scores fast enough and can go on with it as well.

Posted by Chris_Howard on (June 10, 2011, 0:47 GMT)

Furthermore, a young guy you can send back to the domestics knowing that the seed will have been sown for him to want to succeed next time. E.g. Hayden, Martyn, Langer, Ponting, Clarke, Katich, S Waugh. That's not a bad line up of guys who had a crack young, got dumped and came back better than ever. And I trust one day P Hughes will be on that list too. Old guys are a short term investment, young guys, as that list demonstrates, are a long term investment. Unless and old guy's form demands that he be picked (Tendulkar, Bradman, Warne, McGrath, Kallis) then he should retire gracefully or be pushed.

Posted by Chris_Howard on (June 10, 2011, 0:42 GMT)

Totally agree with Warnie. Our obsession with short term winning has hurt our long term future very badly. We can't have it both ways. All these older players are keeping young guys out who then get disillusioned, then look to T20 and lose their skills for Test cricket. You don't need 4 or 5 old guys around the team for experience. One or two is plenty. With IPL, the old guys should be looking to retire earlier and head off there and make some serious superannuation while they've still got the skill. The other problem with holding onto Katto or any other old guy, you then have to give them a reasonable time to succeed if they aren't making runs. So in that time you have to risk losing, hoping and waiting for an old guy to come good again. We went thru one of our leanest patches in years waiting for Hussey to come good again. It's not worth it.

Posted by crystosis on (June 10, 2011, 0:36 GMT)

And to think of it, Clarke and Ponting's performance are the real reason that Australia lost the Ashes. So you reward the guy who averaged 20 in the Ashes with captaincy and leave your most consistent performer for the last 3 years out citing age. A good Australian team is good for cricket and since Hilditch has taken over, its nothing but mediocrity with what was once a great team. The frustration is that they dont even put the best team on the ground.

Posted by SRT_GENIUS on (June 9, 2011, 22:54 GMT)

@5wombats: You are a genius!

Posted by dissapointed on (June 9, 2011, 22:04 GMT)

LOGAN's RUN... simply have a mandate that requires the fast men to retire at 33, batsman and the slow bowlers at 35 with a view that the selectors should be looking at getting the players in before 25, to have a chance at a 10 year career. Ponting, Sachin and Co, regardless of performing or not need to give other people opportunity, it's damn selfish and detrimental for the game in the long run to have players holding a spot.... move on and enjoy retirement.

Posted by 5wombats on (June 9, 2011, 19:52 GMT)

Mmmm..... - EVERYONE is finally agreeing with me that Ponting should get the boot - even Shane Warne! I told you so!!!! No more arguments please about Ponting and his effect on Australian cricket. It's as @VivGilchrist says; That man should be as far away from the team as possible. Never mind the disasterous influence Ponting is in and around the team, that's bad enough; On form alone he should have been dropped years ago. Of the 4; Ponting, Hussey, Haddin and Katich - the one with the worst form should be the first to go. Now who is that I wonder? If Ponting has been kept in there to "support" Clarke then that is sickening and Clarke & Australia will deserve everything they get.

Posted by SRT_GENIUS on (June 9, 2011, 19:33 GMT)

I think Warne is either being sarcastic and/or trying to rile up other senior cricketers to stand behind Katich - who are conveniently ignoring their teammates culling.

Posted by hrmalladi on (June 9, 2011, 19:08 GMT)

What is all this fuss; In the last 10 Tests Katchi played Australia won 5 and lost 4 with one drawn game. Mr. Katich had an avg of 66 in the 5 games Aus won and in the games Aus lost or Drawn he has an AVG of 23. He had 2 Hundreds and 6 fifties in the last 10 games and has only one fifty score in the last 5 matches. If I am correct Katich was expected to replace Hyden and Katich strike rate was in the range of 44 or so. What Hilditch and Party did was right

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 19:07 GMT)

First of all i am shocked to hear Katich's gone. If Hughes had so much promise than why drop him during the Ashes in England. Moreover it's really stupid of Shane Warne to ask for Ricky's and Mr. Cricket's head. Because if these 2 are gone i don't see anybody capable of scoring a big hundred. All these Watson's, Hughes etc. etc. will get their 50's and 60's and get back in dressing room. And the day is not far when these so called promising youngsters will show their hopelessness against India, england and RSA.

Posted by crikkfan on (June 9, 2011, 19:02 GMT)

absolutely ridiculous - this happening the same time that Jayasuriya is being selected to play ODI for SL - what a contrast although the merits of that are debatable as well! Selection should purely be merit or form irrespective of age - the only thing the age factor may influence is to shorten the length of the proverbial rope thrown to the cricketer. The ultimatum to perform or perish should be enforced tightly instead of dropping one cold turkey . This may be just the beginning however.

Posted by Winsome on (June 9, 2011, 19:01 GMT)

He's right about the ODI team. It was ridiculous all the same failures from the World Cup then running off to Bangladesh to beat up the Deshis at home. What the hell was Punter doing over there? Madness.

Posted by SRT_GENIUS on (June 9, 2011, 18:55 GMT)

Message is clear - don't mess with Clarke or you'll be out! :)

Posted by S.N.Singh on (June 9, 2011, 18:28 GMT)

I DO NOT THINK NO BODY OR NO TEAM WILL GO GRONG WITH SIMON KATCIH . TO MY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, HE IS ONE OF THE BEST PRESENT DAY OPENING BATSMAN. HIS TECHNEQE IS HARD TO GET THROUGH AND WHAT AUSTRALIA IS TRYING TO DO IS THAT THEY SHOULD GET RID OF POINTIN IN WHICH CASE OR HOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT. THE HAVE TO LET YOUNGER PLAYER FIGHT FOR THEIR PLACE. WARNE IS OS RIGHT HE MUST KNOW BECAUSE HE CAN TELL YOU WHO CAN BAT AND WHO CAN'T BAT. GOOD LUCK TO AUSTRALIA. S. N. SINGH USA

Posted by sharidas on (June 9, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

Irrespective of age, the criteria should be form. If there are players outside the team who can challenge anyone in the team, then, they should automatically be selected. If they are in the fringe, then use the rotation scheme to give them experience. There is absolutely no logic in discarding players who are in form.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 17:47 GMT)

Katich is the one who plays well @ #1, #2, #3, #6 / #7. AUS team's rules & plans make the fans not to happy... the same way they lost Bracken and some other key players..

Posted by Vindaliew on (June 9, 2011, 17:15 GMT)

If Katich wasn't injured so early in the Ashes series Australia might have made a better fight of things. His return to the Test team should have been seen as a positive sign, providing a solid senior player who can help out with the youngsters - isn't he younger than Ponting and Hussey?

Posted by SatishT2105 on (June 9, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

The yardstick sems to be different for Warne, Ponting, Waughs, Katich, M Hussey and the others. Warne himself played till he was 37, the Waugh twins as well and now it is surprising to see Warne citing age as an issue. Warne wasn't the same force at 37 as he was when he was 32 or 28 but he was persevered with because he was the best in Australia. Similarly, Katich is the best no. 1 opener in Australia to open the batting with Shane Watson at no.2 and Ponting is ideal at no. 3.

If they are talking about young blood, then the Aussies should straight away include Shaun Marsh in the playing 11 in all 3 formats immediately to groom him for the future. However, sticking with Phil Hughes or Steven Smith just because they are young is foolishness. Michael Hussey is faster than most of the guys half his age and is a fabulous player to this day, so he should play. Dropping Ponting before the Indians tour Australia will be godsend for the Indian team. Food for thought, Warnie.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 16:11 GMT)

Any team needs to strike that balance between youth and experience. For a team in transition such as Australia, keeping the Pontings and Husseys is as valuable as introducing the Warners and Johnsons. The experienced help take a lot of pressure off the youth both on and off the field and help the youngsters transition smoothly into the international arena. To believe going young is the answer would be blindsiding for CA.

Posted by indianzen on (June 9, 2011, 15:59 GMT)

What CA wants is irrespective of the age, players should score century in every test and a 50 atleast in every ODI. or else giving to the youngsters... people who want Katich back are just speaking it out for publicity and no real intention...

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 15:59 GMT)

Its a shame that age is a criteria for selecting a person or not selecting one. In my opinion , the best 11 should be put on the park , no matter what .Grooming youngsters is always a good idea , but they should be groomed side by side with the best 11. Selection for CA has been a real issue since the ashes followed by the WC. Its a pity that they could not come to the WC with one decent spinner in their side and it speaks how faulty and disgraceful their full selection process is.I loved the brand of agressive cricket the Aussies played and its a pity that they are slipping down the ladder with some stupid decissions of late.

Posted by Barnesy4444 on (June 9, 2011, 15:38 GMT)

I agree with Warnie. Haddin should have gone now too, Paine is just as good if not better with the gloves. If they are serious about getting young blokes in there then they really do need to put pressure on the older ones.

Ricky and Hussey should stay for now to hopefully teach young batsmen, but they are under big pressure.

Posted by Trapper439 on (June 9, 2011, 15:35 GMT)

Warne's words would ring a lot truer if either he or Glenn McGrath had done the right thing. They should not have both been allowed to retire at the same time. Losing two such great players simultaneously at the end of the 2006/7 season had the same effect on Australian cricket as losing G.Chappell, Lillee and Marsh at the end of the 1983/4 season did. Hilditch, of all people, should have seen it coming, as he was one of the players tasked to clean up the mess in the mid-80s. He should have done his best to persuade one of them to stay on for a year or two in order to help bring the youngsters along. The fighting spirit that Allan Border instilled in the Aussie dressing room has been lost, and it will take another leader like Border to bring it back. Those who do not learn from the lessons are doomed to repeat it, and that's excusable if one wasn't a part of that history themselves. Hilditch was right therein the 80s, he saw it happen firsthand, and he learned nothing from it. Sack him

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 15:28 GMT)

Shane is forgetting that Australia are where they are now cause of how many of them left en mass..and now he wants Ricky, Hussey n Huddin to leave when the team is still struggling. They still need some old heads in that team while you blend in the youngsters. He came in as a youngster and was surrounded by old guys to give him guidance.Ricky has still got a lot to offer. And why is Shane not in the CA set up to help with doin bowling instead of ending up in the English set up plotting the down fall of the Aussie team.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 15:19 GMT)

what a great batsmen, deserved his spot in the team, if he plays on then he will score heavily for nsw, but had his time,if u feel sorry for him then what about Phil Jaques? selectors are quick to forget,he should be first choice not Hughes, Hughes still has time on his side. looking froward when the aussies play again

Posted by Gordo85 on (June 9, 2011, 15:18 GMT)

Well done Shane Warne. For that I have more respect for you now more than ever. It is so easy just to let things keep sliding by all the time. The hardest part is making changes in life regardless of what it is. Warnie could nearly be a good selector with a good knowledge like this.

Posted by nikhilpuri on (June 9, 2011, 15:11 GMT)

I agree with Slats, Phil Hughes' technique and temperament have come under the scanner during the Ashes, and he has not performed well at all. Given that, and the fact that Katich is in the best form of his life, I don't believe this is the right decision. I would have the likes of Ponting, Katich and Hussey in my test team, but not in the one-day sides. Look at India, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid are all 36-38, but they still play in the test sides, and Tendulkar in the one day side too. Age doesn't mean anything if you are fit and performing well.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 15:10 GMT)

The players dont need to be developed in test cricket, that is what grade, state cricket and "A" Tours are for. In australia's prime u had no time to "play yourself into the side over 10-15 matches" , you had to fire from match 1 or 2 to be selected further, The selectors are too bias towards certain players, and under-rate others who are actually international quality. Aus selectors have blown it, they had brad hodge and phil jaques playing state cricket when they should have been in the test side, instead of North and Hughes. Now Hodge has retired from longer format and jaques is still being neglected. The aus team doesnt need "young guns" they need 28-30 year olds who can play really well and actually perform because they have been tested in many conditions over many years, then in 5-6 years u replace them, u dont need everyone playing for 15 years. If you get a good youngster like Chris Lynn, Matt wade, u need get them in team, but only blood 2-3 youngsters at a time

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 15:09 GMT)

I remember Steve Waugh being forced to retire even when he was averaging 90 something during his last cricketing year. Now Katich, who averages 50 something, is forced to retire as well. Do CA selectors have a grudge against the consistent performers ? If they really wanted to get rid of old players, why not Ponting ? I'd also like to see selectors give Michael Clarke a strong message. He has not been performing well for too long.

Posted by Blazedragon on (June 9, 2011, 15:03 GMT)

Now Michael Slater was the one who said the intelligent thing.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 15:02 GMT)

To drop Simon Katich is one of the most foolish decisions ever taken by an Australian selection committee. To think that they dropped him to blood the woefully inadequate Phil Hughes is even more baffling ! Australia, already depleted with lack of quality players, will pay heavily for this.

Posted by Blazedragon on (June 9, 2011, 15:01 GMT)

@Masud_BITK: Which so called youngster had beaten Warne with the spin? That's why we still can't a decent spinner even after trying out 10 of them. Legends like Mcgrath and Warne can't be replaced. But I must say he is kind of being a hypocrite. He retired of his own choosing even though he was only playing Test cricket and had given up on ODIs. But he is taking a shot at guys like Haddin, Hussey, Ponting who play both formats and provide plenty. As much as respect as I have for Warne I question his judgments sometimes.

Posted by Happy_AusBang on (June 9, 2011, 14:58 GMT)

These selectors are a strange breed of people; and that goes for selectors all around the cricket world. They must be from a different planet. What is the logic of removing one of the two consistent performers in the Aussie team? What was the logic of not selecting the run machine Alistair Cook in any ODIs when clearly England were struggling? How did they determine that he is not an ODI player? What was the logic in retiring Pakistan's star opening batsman the like of which they have never seen before - Saeed Anwar - that too after he had scored another century? How could they Dravid not make it into the Indian team when Tendulkar has been through worse slumps than Dravid has?

Posted by cmonaussiecmon on (June 9, 2011, 14:55 GMT)

Haddin is in his peak. definitely keep him, and ponting is old. keep him for 1 year, while he helps clarke a bit, and then make him the Aus. batting coach. Maybe a selector. the current ones we have are crap.

Posted by cmonaussiecmon on (June 9, 2011, 14:52 GMT)

Ha! Hussey get dropped? He's the best cricket player in the world! His average for both test and odi cricket are above 50, a unique feat, and his strike rate for twenty20 internationals is above 150 as well. This is truly remarkable, and something noone can beat. Plus, the last time pakistan came to australia they had a youth team, and lost every single game. sorry warne, but like most people i think you were good on the field but one of the worst players off it.

Posted by intcamd on (June 9, 2011, 14:39 GMT)

If the same yardstick was applied a few years ago, Warne would have been cut.

What is the metric anyway, that there should be a mandatory retirement age?

Since when is age, not performance, the right yeardstick?

Restructurings are difficult. Most organizations resist them to the last day, and when it becomes too painful, they do a wholesale cut, w/o proper discrimination. The fat is cut with the bone. This is true of companies, and if CA is not careful, will be true of them.

And I am not even a Ponting fan; can't stand him as a man, but as a cricketer, he deserves his due.

Posted by inswing on (June 9, 2011, 14:39 GMT)

Have to agree with Slater here. If someone is performing well, it is silly to cut them just because they are in their 30s when there are no great replacements available. If there is a 20 year old scoring centuries left and right being kept out the side because of a non-performing 35 year old, it makes sense to replace. But they hardly have any replacements who are better than the person they are replacing. The real problem for Australia is in their bowling, not in batting. And none of the bowlers are old. They are just not as good and consistent as their predecessors.

Posted by Salim_123 on (June 9, 2011, 14:33 GMT)

I completely agree with Sanj747. We should start with Hilditch and co. and than start afresh.Agreed we have to starat somewhere. Unfortunately Katich became the scapegoat. Yes CA should start rebuilding the team same way it did in 1989 and we can reclaim the top position. But it needs tough decision to through Hilditch and co.

Posted by vparisa on (June 9, 2011, 14:27 GMT)

I am sure Clarke had a say in this whole matter. He was Australia's best player over the past 2 years and decision to drop him does not make any sense.

Posted by bigwonder on (June 9, 2011, 14:25 GMT)

Finally, an ex-Australian player speaking about the real conditions. Warne is correct in indicating that Pointing and others need to be dropped (at least in ODI) to make room for young blood. Most of the Australian players in the past knew when to quit, but there is always one or two stubborn who will not give up at any cost.

Posted by DazTaylor on (June 9, 2011, 14:06 GMT)

Problem for Australian cricket, is who will replace Ponting, Katich, Hussey and Haddin? Hughes is clearly out of his depth, Khawaja is ok I guess but nothing special. Where are all the Australian young players? Who is good enough to demand a central contract?

Posted by rnkasthuri on (June 9, 2011, 13:55 GMT)

Understand Warne in correct sense. Katich and other older players can earn through BB, IPL, etc. Let the younger players take charge and play for the country.

Posted by a1234s on (June 9, 2011, 13:45 GMT)

there is no raw talent bursting through Australia right now. They were blessed with phenomenal players since the mid 90s and now they are struggling to replace them. It is just a down cycle for Australian cricket in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by dessertfox on (June 9, 2011, 13:35 GMT)

Slater is dead right. Katich has been the most consistent batsman of the past 3 years, and would be a better captain than Clark, even if it's just for a couple of years. Why do they think they have to pick captains for 5-plus year stretches? Hughes has been unimpressive since his golden test in SA. HILDITCH OUT!!!!

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 13:35 GMT)

Warne has asked the right question -> Cutting out an old player is a phased manner is absolutely necessary in any team. But the decision should have been to sack Ricky in that manner as he was the one struggling for runs unlike Kato. The intent was right but the shot missed it's aim.

Posted by CricketChat on (June 9, 2011, 13:33 GMT)

I don't subscribe to the view that if someone is 35, he should be done away with irrespective of good performances. After all, Katich had to fight his way back into a then strong Aus team. That's why he should be valued even more. He knows the hardships and has overcome them to be their most consistent Test batsman in the last 2/3 yrs. Neither do I agree that a new captain should be allowed to build his own team. A captain, new or incumbent, should be capable of getting the best out of the team given to him by selection team.

Posted by Jim1207 on (June 9, 2011, 13:20 GMT)

Clive_Dunn, That's what we need to understand here. Warne is not demanding old players to be removed. He is telling sarcastically why the right guy is not removed and the wrong guy had to face the punishment. There are places as you said where a talented batman like Hughes (according to selectors) can come in at no.6 and learn batting in international level while Katich can still open. And, when Hughes is ready, he can open and they can ask Katich to go. What Aussies are doing right now is have a novice at no.6 and bring another novice at no.2, already a great is playing like a novice at no.3 and captain is no longer to become great at no.4, so only no.1 and no.5 positions are strong in Aussie lineup. Even Afghanisthan with the likes of Hamid Hassan, if granted test status, would skittle out this brittle lineup. Selectors have picked the squad expecting someone would do miracle and save their pride. They have been waiting like that for last 3 years.

Posted by VivGilchrist on (June 9, 2011, 13:11 GMT)

Ponting needs to be as far away from this team as possible. Having an ex-captain around would be as positive as living with your ex-girlfriend.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 13:11 GMT)

age should not be an issue otherwise warne should not have got an IPL contract these past few years.

it all comes down to performance. why should the australian national team have different considerations to rajasthan royals.

some of you have called it right - it comes down to issues he has always had with ponting.

Posted by KALPANA. on (June 9, 2011, 13:09 GMT)

Warne is so intelligent...SOMETIMES WHAT HE SAYS DOES MAKE SENSE....SOMETIMES. ANT THIS TIME IS ONE OF THOSE SOMETIMES.

Posted by s.sreekant on (June 9, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

we need atleast two good experienced players in the team to hold up the team and hadin should be dropped his keeping is pathetic dropping many catches.

Posted by shaggy_23 on (June 9, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

sad to see tat katich did'nt get d contract , and it is funny to see warne commenting abt aged bar players ! i think australian board made a mistake by not giving contract to player like katich.

Posted by robheinen on (June 9, 2011, 12:55 GMT)

'...that he would like to see the new captain Michael Clarke granted the chance to build his own team' is the key phrase in this article.

Posted by Blokker on (June 9, 2011, 12:46 GMT)

Katich, Ponting, Hussey, Haddin. They're all batsmen, and they're not the problem. The problem is we have no great or even very good bowlers any more, and until we find some, it doesn't matter who makes up the top order, we won't be winning many series against the top teams. Bowlers win matches, batsmen are a dime a dozen.

Posted by thewayitwass on (June 9, 2011, 11:59 GMT)

Warne is right in a sense, because it is not as if australia could slip any lower! 5th is appalling low when you consider only west indies pakistan and bangladesh are below them. keep hussey and maybe haddin but ponting should have lost any preferential treatment after the ashes debacle

Posted by Jim1207 on (June 9, 2011, 11:52 GMT)

Warne has taken an indirect dig at Ponting's career. What he means is if selectors are ready to sack a person because of his age, do with everyone. Or just go on with everyone in the team. Why do you sack a person when someone else is enjoying the same privilege unfairly? Some one has to stand up brave and ask this question in a subtle way at least, and that's none other Warne when it comes to Ponting :-) Fair Enough.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 11:49 GMT)

Seeing katich dropped is sad as he was a true performer given his limited ability skill-wise. but CA has taken hard but right decision. people may argue performance counts & not age. true, but the axe has 2 fall sooner or later. As for dropping ponting/hussey, they should be tested for 2 more series & if they fail, then tht's it. blooding youngsters into the team is only way forward though it may risk losing few series & sliding down the ICC RANKINGS.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 11:33 GMT)

As it stands the Oz team is in transition, and has been so for the past couple of years. The team will start performing consistently again, soon. But to remove solid performers like Katich, Ponting, Hussey and Haddin too quickly will only hurt the team and set the process back another couple of years. Not a good idea..

Posted by Lovetesh on (June 9, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

Agree with Warne, Katich was not the person to cut and start the "transition". In any case test team is not the place to start the transition, ODI team is the right place. Why Ponting, Hussey and Haddin were playing in the Bangladesh series? Where was this concept of transition at that time?

Posted by Sanj747 on (June 9, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

Absolutely right Warnie. Can we start with Hilditch, Sutherland and Nielsen, then Ponting, Hussey and Haddin. Tim Paine should be our keeper. Khwaja in the middle order and Shaun Marsh to open with Watson. Can we interest Warnie and Darren Berry to take over CA and the aussie team. That would be a great combination.

Posted by monayi on (June 9, 2011, 11:16 GMT)

Exclusion of katich is a rubbish decision..He is a classy batsman and a handy bowler.We can find a good opener in Warner in ODIs and T20s..But in Tests, you need classy openers to deal with the new ball..Katich is the ideal batsman..He can be the successor of Justin Langer. I think Australian Board has taken a disappointed decision for the Australian fans.

Posted by Masud_BITK on (June 9, 2011, 11:04 GMT)

Hello Shane, Why you were still playing? Your spin was beaten by youngsters..you were still enjoying..Katich was such a nice cricket to lose AU cricket..Good luck to young stars..

Posted by farkin on (June 9, 2011, 11:04 GMT)

the Australian selectors change there mind on the Australian team more often then they change there underwear

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 10:39 GMT)

Easy for Warne to say that when he has retired of his own choosing... Other senior players played till their mid-thirties. Having a couple senior players still in the side is important while the young players start up. If they aren't performing in 12 months time then it is probably time for them to go, but I think the selectors want to see how Ponting goes post-captaincy, as well as Hussey who has continued to peform. I'm "Warne" out with Warne's comments

Posted by bigwonder on (June 9, 2011, 10:37 GMT)

Finally, we have an Australian who thinks Punter should be dropped. Warne is correct in indicating that the true rebuild of the team is needed and can't happen if they keep playing older players in all formats.

Posted by smudgeon on (June 9, 2011, 10:35 GMT)

Haddin would be lucky to be in the top three keepers in the country right now. His batting has been intermittently good, as has been his keeping. I can't help but wonder if continually dragging Tim Paine around with the team, but not playing him, is actually doing him all that good? If they want Paine to be the next wicketkeeper, then just do it. Don't wait for Haddin to drop off his perch.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 10:22 GMT)

Fair enough to mention ponting in this article, but i think mike hussey is still in great form and australia needs him still in all formats, pick the best possible XI for right here, right now, not for 5 years time. I'm not saying pick a whole team of 36 year olds, but i think if there is a 31,32,33 year old that is performng he should be picked regardless of age. "senior pro's" are also essential for all good teams, india with dravid, laxman, tendulkar, SA with Kallis and boucher, SL with sanga and mahela. i agree that brad haddin could be moved aside in ODI's for matt wade (wade>paine), but HADDIN IS STILL A KEY PART OF AUS TEST SIDE. At the same time, if aus can find someone better then katich, ponting, hussey then go ahead and replace them, i just dont think we currently do have anyone better that is really knocking down the door.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 10:19 GMT)

Warney that is the first bit of sense you have said. Well done sir.

Posted by sifter132 on (June 9, 2011, 10:18 GMT)

I would have thought Shane Warne of all people would be talking about the value of having a veteran player or 2 around, given his time at Rajasthan Royals.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 10:15 GMT)

Warne's right they should have gone further and cut one of Ponting, Hussey or Haddin this year and then dumped the other two next year because with those three in the middle order there's no room to develop the next generation of batsmen. Some say that you can't have that much experience leave the team when there are no obvious replacements but when you consider how poorly this current line up has performed over the past 3 years I don't think a few new kids can do any worse.

Even if Ponting, Hussey or Haddin did have a sudden change in form it's useless anyway because they aren't going to be around for the next 10 years and by keeping them in the side you deny a kid the chance to develop. Who cares if they don't have experience because if I recall correctly Warne and McGrath hadn't done much in domestic cricket before being given a chance on the big stage.

Posted by Clive_Dunn on (June 9, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

As much as I respect Warne as a player and thinker, I think he's way off the mark here. It's far easier to blood new players when you have experienced, proven veterans to shield them from the pressure and historically this is what Australian teams have done.

However, being English, if the Aussies want to put Smith in again at 6 as part of a youth movement I'll be very happy.

Posted by abyrao on (June 9, 2011, 10:04 GMT)

Katich despite his age had min 2 years of cricket left in him. Sidelining him suggests as if Aussies have marked a retirement age for cricketers never mind the form. And if the selectors are justifying then they should had been brave enough to have done the same with Ponting instead.

Posted by   on (June 9, 2011, 9:54 GMT)

well said Warne. put these older guys back to the state level, so that they can share their experience and guide the new players to the national side. Also, before some other country grabs Warne, appoint him to teach youngsters spin bowling (definitely not the guys in the national side), probably in some development centre or somewhere. I am already thrilled to see new guys in the national side :D

Comments have now been closed for this article

TopTop
Email Feedback Print
Share
E-mail
Feedback
Print
Country Fixtures Country Results
3rd Test: Australia v India at Melbourne - Dec 26-30
Australia 526/8
Syd Thunder v Syd Sixers at Sydney
Dec 27, 2014 (19:10 local | 08:10 GMT | 03:10 EST | 02:10 CST | 00:10 PST)
Heat v Melb Stars at Brisbane
Dec 28, 2014 (18:10 local | 08:10 GMT | 03:10 EST | 02:10 CST | 00:10 PST)
Syd Sixers v Scorchers at Sydney
Dec 29, 2014 (19:10 local | 08:10 GMT | 03:10 EST | 02:10 CST | 00:10 PST)
Melb Reneg v Syd Thunder at Melbourne (Docklands)
Dec 30, 2014 (19:10 local | 08:10 GMT | 03:10 EST | 02:10 CST | 00:10 PST)
Complete fixtures » | Download Fixtures »
News | Features Last 3 days
News | Features Last 3 days