Australia news October 22, 2013

Ponting attacks CA's lack of foresight

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Ricky Ponting, the former Australia captain, has spoken of his shock at being told by the Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland that "no one ever spends money when they are going well", a statement emblematic of the complacency Ponting believes has contributed to the nation's slide from the top of the game.

Sutherland's words were uttered during a conversation at the 2011 SCG Ashes Test, which Australia lost by an innings to complete a 3-1 series defeat at home that hastened the Argus review and the departures of former coach Tim Nielsen, the chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch, the chief of cricket operations Michael Brown and Ponting himself as captain.

Don Argus' report into the Australian team's performance brought a host of new appointments and a changed management structure, but Ponting has maintained that many of these supposed innovations had been advocated for as much as a decade by himself and Nielsen's predecessor, John Buchanan. Ponting told ESPNcricinfo he was stunned at Sutherland's lack of foresight, and believed Buchanan had risked his job more than once while advocating change when the team were enjoying their years of plenty.

"When he said that it was like 'What? What are you talking about'," Ponting said while discussing his autobiography At the close of play. "I said then 'Tiger Woods has just won the US Open, he'll be on the driving range tomorrow morning trying to make his swing better for next year and putting all his time and effort to make it better because he knows he's not the same player and he'll need to do things differently to win again next year'."

"But there was no foresight at all into where we were going. Buck was always ridiculed for asking for things. He saw where the game was going to go, and all the stuff that came out with the Argus review was the stuff Buck was talking about 10 years ago, and he was shut down and almost pushed out of his job because of where he thought the game was going to go."

When asked whether or not Sutherland had been held accountable for the slip in the national team's fortunes, and those of the the supporting competitions beneath, Ponting said that while the CA balance sheet was strong, other areas had been either neglected or cut back in favour of stratagems like the Twenty20 Big Bash League. He advocated greater CA control over the goals of the states and the preparation of domestic pitches.

"Business-wise and the last couple years in particular you'd say CA has done a really good job with making the BBL the success they have and other things they've done," Ponting said. "But it's been at the detriment of something else. State cricket's funding and coaches that work with them. One thing I think they should do is CA should employ all the state coaches. Take it out of the state's hands altogether.

"CA should employ them, then they can have some sort of input into the wickets they produce and the teams they pick. Because what we've got now is Queensland winning their first five games at home every year on green wickets. Tassie, to keep up, do the same thing. SA did the same thing last year where they had seaming wickets and Chadd Sayers took 50 wickets on Adelaide Oval. Where's all the spinners?

"They've got to have some sort of control over it, otherwise as professionals coaches have to look after themselves. They have to keep themselves in a job, so it's all about winning which you can understand and it should be. But conditions around the country have got to get back to what they used to be, and each ground have the characteristics they had when I started, which was how you learned a more rounded game."

Another area Ponting believes CA became complacent was in assuming the next generation of young players would spring up to take the place of the previous generation, leading to the early dumping of Simon Katich. Ponting has written that this decision flabbergasted him, but it was not the only call that did so.

"My view on selection is you only ever make a change if it's going to make the team better," he said. "A lot of the changes we made didn't make the team better, and I don't care what anybody says. The coach (Tim Nielsen) going when he did didn't make the team better. I think a lot of the stuff that happened with the Argus review was premeditated stuff that was already in the pipeline and they put this panel together to justify it.

"My meeting around the Argus review lasted less than an hour. I was dressed in a suit, prepared, notes, I thought I was going to be there all day, thrash everything out for six hours, get my opinions and views on everything. But they asked me a few questions, asked me who was accountable, and I was out. I said to James 'I need to have a chat to you outside', we did and it was just like they didn't really want to hear it."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY KhanMitch on | October 22, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    I am so impressed by Punter speaking up. The point i like most of his is backing our young batsman. How are guys such as Khawaja going to consolidate his position if he gets 3 tests only(1 in which he top scored at Lords and another where he got a howler in Manchester). Guys like Hayden and Langer who are legends of the game got 10 games in a row and then got comfortable. Cowan got 19 in a row and couldn't consolidate his spot but at least he knows he got a good run under Arthur. Now its time to give guys such as Khawaja, Warner or others such as Burns, Maddinson(when they are ready) a good go and only then will we have a solid batting lineup. Good on Punter for speaking out what most fans are thinking.

  • POSTED BY Jagger on | October 24, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    @brusselslion - yes you are spot on for all but the champions you mention are not a one-off. There are more champions to be found every year in Australia but there has been massive generational change. Detrimental change. There was a crusade in the Australian media which identified the enemy as winning all the time. It's boring, they said. I couldn't believe it. Such blasphemy and arrogance, let alone to preach it from the pulpit was staggering. Could it be possible the powers decided we needed to give everyone else a go for the betterment of the business both locally and internationally? What do the ICC do, exactly? Then there is the growth and poaching from the football codes and a population of 23 million. Theories all lead to one abundantly clear conclusion - The fact is we are losing and I want it fixed, pronto, but am I with the tide of opinion or against? I have no idea and I do not expect a truthful answer.

  • POSTED BY on | October 24, 2013, 9:59 GMT

    Ricky ponting one of the worst Ashes records of any captain. Don't think he can comment on leadership issues

  • POSTED BY The-Guy on | October 24, 2013, 8:27 GMT

    You would have thought after the decline of West Indies that CA would have learnt a few things from them. Guess not.

  • POSTED BY Shottrick on | October 24, 2013, 5:12 GMT

    @Ali_Chaudhary, read the article again. Ponting didn't have the administrative control that he otherwise expected that CA would provide to sustain the future of Australian cricket. What captains of other countries did is irrelevant, considering there are different hierarchies in administration. Read the entire article.

  • POSTED BY duralsumo on | October 24, 2013, 2:27 GMT

    I am not surprised with Ricky Pontings statements about James Sutherland or the lack of attention given to him by Argus review. As Gideon Haigh has said often Mr Sutherland's objective has been to turn to Cricket Australia from a sports administrator to a marketing organisation. One of his first actions was to rename Australian Cricket Board to Cricket Australia. As I can recall that the Argus review did not have the independence it was seeking as James Sutherland sat in all sessions of it. My perception is that James Sutherland has only looked at short term fixes and no long term solutions.

  • POSTED BY OneEyedAussie on | October 23, 2013, 23:06 GMT

    @ DyslexicWays on (October 23, 2013, 15:12 GMT) : Yeah, I did take a look at Ponting's record. In fact, I mentioned some of it in my post - a captain that lost 3 out of 4 Ashes, including 2 losses with a superior team. I think that qualifies as part of the problem.

  • POSTED BY USIndianFan on | October 23, 2013, 18:53 GMT

    Sutherland should resign.

  • POSTED BY jimbond on | October 23, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    Good, now that the Chappells have mellowed down, you need someone with stature to have a go at the administration. Warne was always there with his comments, but Pontings comments are welcome. Mere resignations do not mean anything, but Sutherland should take responsibility (when he felt that Mickey Arthur should be responsible).

  • POSTED BY Selassie-I on | October 23, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    This is definatley the best australian team I have seen, the should keep doing exactly what they are at the moment, not like those horrible Ponting/Waugh years... from an English point of view.

  • POSTED BY KhanMitch on | October 22, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    I am so impressed by Punter speaking up. The point i like most of his is backing our young batsman. How are guys such as Khawaja going to consolidate his position if he gets 3 tests only(1 in which he top scored at Lords and another where he got a howler in Manchester). Guys like Hayden and Langer who are legends of the game got 10 games in a row and then got comfortable. Cowan got 19 in a row and couldn't consolidate his spot but at least he knows he got a good run under Arthur. Now its time to give guys such as Khawaja, Warner or others such as Burns, Maddinson(when they are ready) a good go and only then will we have a solid batting lineup. Good on Punter for speaking out what most fans are thinking.

  • POSTED BY Jagger on | October 24, 2013, 12:29 GMT

    @brusselslion - yes you are spot on for all but the champions you mention are not a one-off. There are more champions to be found every year in Australia but there has been massive generational change. Detrimental change. There was a crusade in the Australian media which identified the enemy as winning all the time. It's boring, they said. I couldn't believe it. Such blasphemy and arrogance, let alone to preach it from the pulpit was staggering. Could it be possible the powers decided we needed to give everyone else a go for the betterment of the business both locally and internationally? What do the ICC do, exactly? Then there is the growth and poaching from the football codes and a population of 23 million. Theories all lead to one abundantly clear conclusion - The fact is we are losing and I want it fixed, pronto, but am I with the tide of opinion or against? I have no idea and I do not expect a truthful answer.

  • POSTED BY on | October 24, 2013, 9:59 GMT

    Ricky ponting one of the worst Ashes records of any captain. Don't think he can comment on leadership issues

  • POSTED BY The-Guy on | October 24, 2013, 8:27 GMT

    You would have thought after the decline of West Indies that CA would have learnt a few things from them. Guess not.

  • POSTED BY Shottrick on | October 24, 2013, 5:12 GMT

    @Ali_Chaudhary, read the article again. Ponting didn't have the administrative control that he otherwise expected that CA would provide to sustain the future of Australian cricket. What captains of other countries did is irrelevant, considering there are different hierarchies in administration. Read the entire article.

  • POSTED BY duralsumo on | October 24, 2013, 2:27 GMT

    I am not surprised with Ricky Pontings statements about James Sutherland or the lack of attention given to him by Argus review. As Gideon Haigh has said often Mr Sutherland's objective has been to turn to Cricket Australia from a sports administrator to a marketing organisation. One of his first actions was to rename Australian Cricket Board to Cricket Australia. As I can recall that the Argus review did not have the independence it was seeking as James Sutherland sat in all sessions of it. My perception is that James Sutherland has only looked at short term fixes and no long term solutions.

  • POSTED BY OneEyedAussie on | October 23, 2013, 23:06 GMT

    @ DyslexicWays on (October 23, 2013, 15:12 GMT) : Yeah, I did take a look at Ponting's record. In fact, I mentioned some of it in my post - a captain that lost 3 out of 4 Ashes, including 2 losses with a superior team. I think that qualifies as part of the problem.

  • POSTED BY USIndianFan on | October 23, 2013, 18:53 GMT

    Sutherland should resign.

  • POSTED BY jimbond on | October 23, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    Good, now that the Chappells have mellowed down, you need someone with stature to have a go at the administration. Warne was always there with his comments, but Pontings comments are welcome. Mere resignations do not mean anything, but Sutherland should take responsibility (when he felt that Mickey Arthur should be responsible).

  • POSTED BY Selassie-I on | October 23, 2013, 16:58 GMT

    This is definatley the best australian team I have seen, the should keep doing exactly what they are at the moment, not like those horrible Ponting/Waugh years... from an English point of view.

  • POSTED BY StrangeWays on | October 23, 2013, 15:12 GMT

    @BrownEyeAus... Ponting part of the problem? Take a look at his record and dedication to his country.. Aus have performed badly without him there.. There is a culture of arrogance that has crept into Australian sport as a whole.. Rugby players, swimmers, cricket players etc. That is the problem. And when the mighty fall then you see a people's true nature.. Finger pointers, blamers and the spineless. Man up the lot of you. Divided you WILL fall!

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | October 23, 2013, 13:33 GMT

    Buck (John Buchanan was the BEST COACH EVER in World Cricket. If CA could not listen to him to keep setting the bar higher and higher (like 400 runs in a day),Ca did not know what a treasure they had lost.And if they could not half an hour to Ricky Ponting, who epitomised cricket, right from grassroots cricket, Brooks, Mowbrays, Club Cricket, CA was bound to fail in their plans.

  • POSTED BY on | October 23, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    Incredible!!! Not only is the schedule biased but incredibly unsafe

    Let's all just forget the Queenland Team performances over the past 18-months and the forgettable last 18-months of the Australian Cricket Group.

    Let's all forget that a team that has been in the past two Sheffield Shield Finals scarcely gets a look in with the Australian Group ..... they couldn't even get one player, not one single player in the Australia A Group that toured Africa. Lots of NSW players though!!

    Yep. The Selectors are doing a great job. Together with our great Training Group who keep breaking every bowler they get their hands on. You know .... We should keep going down this path because it is working sooooo well and I love watching the Australian Test Group getting beaten.

  • POSTED BY Ali_Chaudhary on | October 23, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    @Shottrick bro. Did u ever heard the Name Imran khan? or Clive Lloyd? look how they groomed cricketers. Punter destroyed Aussie cricket. He as captain won almost every match bcoz of great Players like McGrath, Warne, Hydo, Gilli, Lee etc all being bettrer cricketer than him. When all were gone. He dint groom anyone. If he didnt had this power to selcect some gud Youngster and groom them then unfotunately it seems he was just a dummy captain. A powerless captain.

  • POSTED BY Shottrick on | October 23, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    @Ali_Chaudhary, how is that Ponting's fault? He had no say on team selection unlike Michael Clarke, and grooming younger players is the job of the administration and states. And how can he help the younger Test players when they aren't getting selected constantly? You're missing Ponting's entire point in this article.

  • POSTED BY Jaffa79 on | October 23, 2013, 8:39 GMT

    Marcio... stop being precious mate. I do not think the Aussie team or board are evil; just selfish and with twisted priorities (how did you deduce 'evil'?). Can you argue that they are not? Also, hillariously, you harp back to the days of empire! Brilliant! I couldn't care less about the empire and am not a monarchist myself mate! Your cricket team is very poor and your supporters delusional but this has nothing to do with Queen Victoria. Keep 'em coming though. Brightened my day that one!

  • POSTED BY Ali_Chaudhary on | October 23, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    Oh cĀ“mon punter. Move on. just trying to be in News when noone is interested in u. You are the one who destryoed Aussie cricket. Tokk the Team from Waugh and won matches but when those big guns retired u didnt groom Young Players. Ist not upto CA to groom Players. Look at Imran, look at Clive Lloyd. you are the one behinde the destruction of Aussie Cricket. Remember !

  • POSTED BY _Australian_ on | October 23, 2013, 6:13 GMT

    @joseph Langford. You keep harping on about NSW dominating test selection. What do you expect. Historically NSW and Vic born players dominate the Australian team. Reason is if you look at the cricketing census you will see both states each have twice as many people playing the game than QLD historically so logic tells you that majority of players will come from there. I bet you weren't complaining when Australia dominated in a side that had half the players coming from NSW. Even your best player now Harris was born in NSW and arguably your best ever player Border was from NSW as well. We are one country and whilst I don't always agree with selections who cares where they come from.

  • POSTED BY Little_Aussie_Battler on | October 23, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    Ponting is right and the entire cricket world knows it but Sutherland and his back slapping mates are all about getting big fat pay bonuses for themselves.

    In their contracts you can bet London to a brick that they receive bonuses not depending on Australian crickets successes but on how big the profits are.

    If cricket in Australia is going down the corporate path, then they should be taxed accordingly and player's playing in overseas 20/20 comps should have to pay the going rate for taxes in Australia because they are in those comps on the back of being Australian.

  • POSTED BY OneEyedAussie on | October 23, 2013, 4:23 GMT

    Ponting's gripes aren't unique - in fact they are similar to those many disgruntled former employees make against their old employers. "They didn't listen to me". "My opinion wasn't valued". The truth is Ponting lost us 3 out of 4 Ashes series and the team was falling apart in 2011. So of course CA didn't want to talk to him during the Argus Review - he had already been identified (justly or unjustly) as part of the problem. Now I am not defending Sutherland in any way (I think the guy is slowly destroying Australian Cricket), but I wouldn't put too much stock in Ponting's opinion of Sutherland.

  • POSTED BY on | October 23, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    @Joseph Langford, you complain so heartily about the schedule and yet Sth Aus aside, all the other teams are missing 2 or 3 of their best cricketers to the Indian series, Qld apart, who are at full strength! Tell me again how this is loaded against Qld? And who are all these Qld cricketers you'd have in the Aussie team? Harris is fantastic but there's no-one after that. Watching Cutting bowl right now he seems to be bowling medium pacers coming on 3rd change. Khawaja will more than likely get another run this summer and after that there is nobody I can see knocking on the door at all.

  • POSTED BY Livo on | October 23, 2013, 3:41 GMT

    James Sutherland needs to go. Its not the first time he has stuffed everything and it wont be the last!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | October 23, 2013, 3:23 GMT

    Same old story. First you have the players who are at the cold face of cricket and tend to see the trees for the forrest. Then there are the administrators, who would like to think they are at the cold face if cricket but actually spend the majority if their time justifying their positions and looking at cricket through binoculars. Then finally there are the executives...they tend to see the forrest rather than the trees, and the forrest next to the forrest, as they make calculations with the global game in mind and all the economic and political implications. All we get from the executives is a snapshot of this big picture view in truncated and spin doctored press releases. Everyone thinks they have the answer. Or at least part of the answer. There is the game and there is the system, they are certainly symbiotic. Well, as a spectator, I think I have the answer...just hit the ball

  • POSTED BY on | October 23, 2013, 3:05 GMT

    Its becoming a recurring theme from those who know Aust better then most - Sutherland and CA have made Aust Cricket financially rich while making our Test team talent poor. They have sold Aust's cricketing soul.

  • POSTED BY daBro on | October 23, 2013, 3:04 GMT

    Centralised Contracts for complete vertical integration. For people familar with Rugby, you need to look no further than the NZ All Blacks and the NZ Rugby Union (governing body). For Super rugby, they also centrally contract: a) head + assistant coaches b) 30 members of each playing squad c) back up players "wider training group" and c) all referees.

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 23, 2013, 2:47 GMT

    When Punter talks about not managing young players properly he is probably referring to Hughes. He had a magnificent start to his test career as a 20 year old, and lets not forget they forced Hayden to retire so they could select him, that's how promising he was.

    After only 2 low scores he was dropped and FORCED to change the way he bats. There was only one possible result from this, it totally stuffed him up. He became a shell of a batsman.

    Punter understands what it's like for a young batsman entering international cricket. I can guaruntee he would have kept Hughes in the side in 2009 and let him develop his game his own way and in his own time.

  • POSTED BY warnerbasher on | October 23, 2013, 2:17 GMT

    Its been clear for years what the problem is. With all the reviews, sacking of selectors, changes of coach, off field issues, subservience to the BCCI and lack of results what has been the one constant overseeing these debacles. JAMES SUTHERLAND. The scheduling is a mess. Why is the Ryobi Cup on 3 months prior to the home one day international matches. Last year there was no shield matches scheduled during the last 3 test matches of the summer. Its nuts. There needs to be some attempt to line up the domestic format with the international format . Shield games leading into test matches and while the test matches are on in the first part of the summer. After the new years test run the big bash for 4 weeks with the test players available. run the Ryobi cup in February while the international one dayers are on and finish off the season in march with the remaining shield games. Send me an email. I'll fix Sutherlands shambles at a price

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | October 23, 2013, 1:57 GMT

    @Joseph Langford: When NSW won the Champion's League in its first year, they started their Shield AND Cup matches 3 weeks after everyone else. So yes, I think Queensland would have been allowed to start earlier - just like Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania did also did this year.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | October 23, 2013, 1:51 GMT

    @Joseph Langford: Queensland's 'rotation policy' saw Burns dropped after scoring 1 run in 2 innings, Peirson come in as an injury replacement, and 5 players playing all six matches. WA had 6 players playing all six matches. NSW, with their 'extended' season, have 4 players playing all six matches. So who's implementing a rotation policy? Meanwhile, I think you'll find that Tasmania had exactly the same amount of games in the same amount of time (6 games, 24 days) as NSW, and Victoria had 6 games in 22 days. So is Tasmania in on the conspiracy too? Or Victoria, who were leading the competition before Queensland's fourth match? Which team were the organisers giving the advantage to? You've got 4 to choose from.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | October 23, 2013, 1:46 GMT

    @Milhouse79, there is indeed a lot of whining, but most seems to be coming from your relentless rants about how evil Australia is. Is there anything else that you post about on Australian articles? Anything remotely positive about any Australian idea, person or player? Seems to be a lot of English expats (or former expats) who hold your attitude. The glory days of the Empire - and superior colonial attitudes - never die in some.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | October 23, 2013, 1:42 GMT

    @Joseph Langford, your comments about NSW are irrational at best. People from other countries must be shaking their heads in confusion, given that very few selectors have been from NSW in recent years. In fact last time I looked there was only one. Even M Clarke (the NSWman you despise so much) is no longer a selector. The fact is that 40% of the players playing Shield cricket were born in NSW (many end up playing for other states, as they cant get a run for NSW). That means on average 4-5 members of the AUS team are probably going to be NSWmen.

    State has NOTHING to do with anything here! This belief that "NSW is stealing our thunder" really is bordering on paranoid. It reminds me of the Kiwis' thinking similar things about Australia, an attitude I found bizarrely pervasive when I was over there. It appears to be human nature to believe that we are the victim of some demonic entity - even when that entity is completely benign.

  • POSTED BY Jaffa79 on | October 22, 2013, 23:18 GMT

    @ Joseph Langford, you are wrong: Australia have incredibly average players. The most divisive captain in memory, a threadbare array of batsmen who aren't good enough and a horribly overrated bowling attacking with few if any spinning options. If you think otherwise, you celebrate mediocrity.

  • POSTED BY Gaswell on | October 22, 2013, 23:08 GMT

    Punter, hats off to you. Speaking out like this , as bizarre as it sounds, could be the greatest contribution you have ever made to Australian cricket. And that is indeed saying something. Keep speaking. Do not let this drop. Sutherland must go. If money is the only concern then CA should rename themselves BCCI. The points Ricky makes about the grounds all being different and having their own characteristics are vital. That is what made Australia the greatest touring team in the world. They were far better prepared to play in diverse conditions than anyone else. Also, this preoccupation with molly coddling batsmen in the shorter form of the game defies belief. Whether it is tests, one day or 20/20, the magic of cricket is the contest between bat and ball. I want that contest back. I hate watching cricket in the subcontinent where every pitch is a bowlers grave yard. If India produced more varied strips, they too would be a far better touring team and Indian fans would be the winners.

  • POSTED BY scarab666 on | October 22, 2013, 23:05 GMT

    I've said it all along that the demise of australian cricket falls solely on the CA management and the god himself James Sutherland.........surely his tenure is up and we need some fresh ideas.

  • POSTED BY silly_mid_on on | October 22, 2013, 22:56 GMT

    When will CA get the message. Australia's recent failures are entirely due to the management of james Sutherland. He's putting the bottom line ahead of quality cricket, the grassroots of the game, and preparation of the next generation of cricketers. We need to get back to a full program of first class cricket with the top players taking part, and not this ridiculous focus on twenty over rubbish. It's like eating sugar instead of veggies. It's fun for a few seconds but will kill you in the longf run. The decline in cricket quality is due to this focus on the short game.

  • POSTED BY ShutTheGate on | October 22, 2013, 22:51 GMT

    @ Milhouse79

    Go easy, it's not as though England are a great team. They're ranked number 2 in tests and 3 in ODI's.

    There's plenty of talent in Australia, they just need time to get the experience needed to make the transition from first class cricket to test level and they are improving. Even the improvement from the first test in the last ashes to the last test was very noticeable.

    It seems to me that England is in a similar position to what Australia was 5 years ago - that is an ageing team with average promise from the next generation.

    Let's see how you fair when Trott, KP, JA, Bell, Prioer and Swann retire around the same time.

  • POSTED BY Rooboy on | October 22, 2013, 22:12 GMT

    Time for Sutherland to move on. If what Ponting says is true, and I'm sure it is, sutherland needs to be held responsible

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    Why hasn't Sutherland gone yet? After the 2011 Ashes, there was a clean-out everywhere ... except in top admin. A whole generation after the Packer affair, Aussie cricket admin is still hiding its incompetents & power junkies. Fancy sacrificing the strength of the Sheffield Shield for T20! What was Sutherland thinking?

    The Aussie team's 2013 disasters would have happened a lot sooner but for Pup's glorious year with the bat, Huss' consistency, & the emergence of some fine quicks. Huss is gone, Pup's run has ended, & any team knows that if you can survive the Aussie quicks you can do well.

    It's time for one of these former test players to take over in CA admin. Mark Taylor, anyone?

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 21:36 GMT

    Most of the problems stem from CA, only interested in the Big Bash. Ricky has a good grasp of the problem, like a lot of the older players. Hussey has said much the same things.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 21:21 GMT

    @ Pelham .... In reference to this article, do you think that the NSW Groundsmen have been instructed to prepare a wicket that would favour or neutralised the bowling styles of Harris and Cutting??

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 21:08 GMT

    @FFL .... Actually Australia has some exceptional players.

    Unfortunately, as pointed out by RP in this article and myself over the past 2-years, the management of cricket in Australia is pathetic.

    The coaching has been pathetic and Boof with CM will hopefully resurrect the blight of past season.

    The training team has been significantly detrimental to Australian Cricket, breaking most of our best young bowlers.

    The selectors simply don't have a clue and I expect more of the same in Australia. I wish that they did what I suggested and show some consistency.

    And then we have Clarke.

    Yes ... Australia has some exceptional players. Unfortunately many of them come from outside the borders of NSW and are belligerently ignored.

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | October 22, 2013, 21:04 GMT

    I'm a bit staggered by the suggestion in a featured comment that David Warner is yet to have a "good go". He's played twenty-two Tests in little over twenty-two months. That's about one day of Test cricket per week! Now you can argue whether or not he deserves more, but you can hardly say he hasn't already had something like a decent run. I remember back in the days when Greg Ritchie took over fifty months to play thirty Tests. Now Ritchie had much the same average and the same number of centuries as Warner ... perhaps, he didn't get a good go either?

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 20:49 GMT

    @ Pelham .... Do you really think that if NSW won the BBL, Queensland would have been allowed to commence the tournament 2-weeks prior to NSW and play 2-games before NSW played their 1st game??

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    @ Pelham .... I have no doubt that Queensland's and WA's success in the BBL influenced the the lateness of their starting the commencing the tournament, but this success should not have influenced when NSW (or other teams) commenced the tournament.

    If NSW had started only a week before Qld, our debate may be more balanced!!

    If NSW had only played one game prior to Qld playing their first game our debate would be more balanced!!

    But this is not what happened. NSW commenced the Tournament 11-days prior to Queensland and during this time played two of their matches. This allowed the NSW Team to have breaks of up to four days between games while Queensland was forced to play their games every second day, playing 6 games in 11-days .... and as stated in posts almost 2-weeks ago, in Queensland came 2nd or 3rd on the ladder. They could have played 8 game in 16 days if they made the final.

    Unfortunately WA did not do as well a Qld under the same gruelling extremely biased scheduling.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    @ Pelham .... I have no doubt that Queensland's and WA's success in the BBL influenced the the lateness of their starting the commencing the tournament, but this success should not have influenced when NSW (or other teams) commenced the tournament.

    If NSW had started only a week before Qld, our debate may be more balanced!!

    If NSW had only played one game prior to Qld playing their first game our debate would be more balanced!!

    But this is not what happened. NSW commenced the Tournament 11-days prior to Queensland and during this time played two of their matches. This allowed the NSW Team to have breaks of up to four days between games while Queensland was forced to play their games every second day, playing 6 games in 11-days .... and as stated in posts almost 2-weeks ago, in Queensland came 2nd or 3rd on the ladder. They could have played 8 game in 16 days if they made the final.

    Unfortunately WA did not do as well a Qld under the same gruelling extremely biased scheduling.

  • POSTED BY Jaffa79 on | October 22, 2013, 20:40 GMT

    So so many issues with Aussie cricket and Aussie sport in general. Self serving, money obsessed management, petulant whiners like Ponting and divisive cliquey players like Clarke. All of that bundled with a stunning lack of talent across the board has seen Australian cricket and Australian sport descend into mediocrity. I hope the Aussies can get back some respect and stop thinking about money. Where has the pride gone? Where has the heart gone? Just think: after England and another Ashes drubbing, it is SA and Pakistan in the UAE! Ouch!

  • POSTED BY GeoffreysMother on | October 22, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    Ricky tells us that Queensland, and then the the other states, purposely prepared 'result wickets': Shane Warne tells us Aussie curators are independent and aren't influenced by captains and coaches. Which cricketing God is not telling the truth? Oh, and who used to be Queensland's state coach - Shane?

  • POSTED BY Batmanindallas on | October 22, 2013, 18:40 GMT

    It is sad state of affairs that people making these calls on cricket don't have even one percent of the knowledge Ponting has of the game.

  • POSTED BY StrangeWays on | October 22, 2013, 18:21 GMT

    Lol... At front foot lunge... So Aus should raid the stocks of it's colonies? Take out all the none english players in the England team and... Well England would be worse off than Aus.. I love it when you comment on things... Shows us you don't think before you speak.. The joker is the joke!

  • POSTED BY Barnesy4444 on | October 22, 2013, 16:52 GMT

    Punter was not a good on field captain. He lost his temper too often and his field positions were, well, curious. Off the field he was excellent, he got the best out of his players and he earned their respect. He would be the perfect test squad batting coach, or alternatively, Boof's assistant.

    About time some focus was placed on Sutherland's role in all of this.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    @Fleming_Mitch - What Ashes series did you watch? The only time Khawaja looked anywhere near comfortable was when Clarke was at the wicket with him at Lords. The rest of the time, he looked as inept as Kerrigan did against Watson in full flow. No Feming, the one Aussie cricketer who got a rough deal was Hughes whereas in comparison, Khawaja was pampered.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 16:25 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge HAHAHAHA. Lack of knowledge is always funny. Perhaps Australia should do what the poms do.Buy players from overseas cause they have no actual English any good. Anyway, in regards to actual knowledge of cricket: CA and Sutherland are the entire reason cricket has plummeted in Australia. They have absolutely no idea on running cricket or what is needed. Starting with decent pitches!!. What many realise but will never state (for fear of being abused) is that the typical Aussie attitude is disappearing quickly as there are more 'new Australians' then true ones and they have different attitudes and follow other sports.

  • POSTED BY GrindAR on | October 22, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    @FFL: Folks just ignore FFL. The user is a character of negativity and sarcasm.

  • POSTED BY GrindAR on | October 22, 2013, 16:02 GMT

    It take guts to be ruthlessly honest. I admire Punter for his outbursts, purely on the basis of his helplessness to witness the decline of his teams quality, by the arrogant management heads occupying the space because they are capable of doing so... He also brought up an eye wash committee to justify the actions of arrogance. It sounds nothing different going on in other boards compared to BCCI. Atleast, BCCI openly does things, where other managements do it behind the scenes, that even because they are able to buy the media out. The game of cricket is going in the wrong path, because of self centered managements around the world.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 15:08 GMT

    @FFL, this article has nothing to do with England? You spring up in some funny places. There are other teams in the game too you know. I will be thinking of you while England get a hiding in Australia. It's good to hear Ponting speak up, I think all Aussie fans want to know how the team ended up where it did but don't forget they played well against the best team in the world not so long ago.

  • POSTED BY Puffin on | October 22, 2013, 15:07 GMT

    Complacency, that is exactly the right word. It's painfully obvious even looking in from the outside. What amazes me is that Australia went through this before in the mid-eighties before bouncing back - so have England more recently. Sustained success relies on sustained effort, relying on luck isn't always going to cut it.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 14:50 GMT

    I like how the featured comment has a special view of history. Matt Hayden got a solid run of 10 Tests? When did this actually occur? He played 1 Test as an injury replacement, then didn't play for two years, he then played in 7 Tests, was rubbish and then didn't play again for another three years. When he came back again, he had an ok start in a series against the Windies before having a superb tour of India (averaged 110). Justin Langer was also in and out of the team at the start of his career. It wasn't until they both started performing at their best that those two players got a solid run in the team.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 14:29 GMT

    James Sutherland is a brilliant leader and I won't hear a word against him. But then, I'm an Englishman.

  • POSTED BY Pelham_Barton on | October 22, 2013, 13:56 GMT

    @Joseph Langford on (October 22, 2013, 10:58 GMT): Presumably the reason Queensland and Western Australia did not start until October 11 was to do with Brisbane Heat and Perth Scorchers being in the Champions' League Twenty20, which could have kept those teams there until October 6. The choice made in scheduling the tournament would be whether to run the whole thing in a compressed space, with more concurrent matches and presumably loss of television income, or to do what they actually did. Looking at things from a distance, I can see no evidence of deliberative bias against Qld and WA in themselves.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | October 22, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    It's clear that Australia just don't have the players these days. Or at least the players to match England which is what they'd want. The next 'Argus report', which will no doubt be annouced soon after the end of the Sydney test, will be an absolute ripper of a read. A lack of investment 10 years ago can only shoulder a small part of the blame when the plain facts are that man for man England have been the far stronger for years now. A lack of the right attitude, competence and skill are the real reasons for the ongoing and relentless nature of this Australian 'Slide'.

  • POSTED BY CricketIsnotlife on | October 22, 2013, 13:15 GMT

    Punter is not afraid to speak up. He is a true leader and not out to please everyone and make friends alone. I wish he takes up the coaching role at some point for the Aussies.

  • POSTED BY R_U_4_REAL_NICK on | October 22, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    How can you guys say the likes of Warner and Hughes have not been given chances? Both players have been given entire series (note the 's' on the end!) to work on their mindsets and form for TEST cricket (as opposed to short formats where they are at home) - and failed time and time again. One random, huge knock is not enough to cut it these days in test cricket - you need consistency and ability to anchor down an innings in tests, and neither player has delivered.

    CA and past players are doing absolutely nothing to develop and help new grafter-type batsmen to replace the Pontings, Clarkes and Husseys of the past, nor decent wrist-spinners to replace Warnes and MacGills etc. and instead are much too aggressive and banking on all-or-nothing players only.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | October 22, 2013, 12:30 GMT

    If Sutherland's comment was that no-one ever spends money when they are going well, I trust at this point that Australia is spending money like crazy.

  • POSTED BY Paul_Rampley on | October 22, 2013, 12:11 GMT

    @Flemingmitch you make alot of sense mate, well said

  • POSTED BY Simoc on | October 22, 2013, 12:04 GMT

    Sutherland is a PR pony and was hired for that purpose. He never says anything worthwhile because he is not a leader. But the frailties of our Oz batsmen are more than mental. We don't have the great players apart from Clark in the team. Most are serviceable and able but compared to the past not test quality. At present they are our best. The admin. side are in there to make some money while they can.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 11:55 GMT

    Constructive comments by Ricky Ponting. CA should take note of this and take some positive action otherwise they could end up at the bottom.

  • POSTED BY Sunil_Batra on | October 22, 2013, 11:48 GMT

    @FlemingMitch i echo your words

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 11:46 GMT

    Yes, the rot is at the top. Sutherland seems to judge his performance solely on the amount of money in the bank- not on any contribution to the future health of Australian cricket, in particular the standard of four day Sheffield Shield cricket that is the nursery for Test cricket.

    Sooner or later the law of diminishing returns must apply - poor results as a result of players, not necessarily lacking in skill but the technique and temperament needed for the longer form of the game, not producing the goods and the patrons turning off.

    Then, Sutherland, there will be a lot less money in the bank. It's time you went, in fact well overdue.

  • POSTED BY hycIass on | October 22, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    Flemingmitch well said champ, we must show our young guys such as Khawaja, Warner and Smith faith otherwise we will keep repeating the mistakes of the 80s. Amith i didn't know the story of Hayden going into the yoga place, great story mate.

  • POSTED BY spindizzy on | October 22, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    This is the end game of prioritising business and entertainment over the actual sport itself. Ricky has made a surprisingly astute analysis here, hopefully it will add to the already obvious need for change being constantly voiced by almost all the players.

  • POSTED BY Amith_S on | October 22, 2013, 11:15 GMT

    I agree with Punter that we must show greater faith in our younger batsman(i.e Hughes, Khawaja, Smith) if we are to be number 1 again. Hayden't example was great in that he said that in his first few games he was so nervous that after one of the games he walked into a yoga place to relieve the pressure but it didn't work. It was only after 10 odd games in a row before he started finding his feet and look how he turned out. Now if you take someone like Khawaja, he top score in Lords, got a howler in Manchester and was dropped. Hughes had a failed series in India but got only 1 ashes game. How can we expect our best young batsman to develop if we don't give them the time to find their feat. Stop picking on ODI form and reward the young players who have earned theiir way through shield cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    @ Mitty2 .... Queensland had to adopt a rotation policy throughout the tournament due to the ruthless scheduling of games in which Queensland had to play the same amount of games as NSW in less than half the time. It was if the people organising the tournament wanted to give one team a greater advantage over another.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 10:52 GMT

    Golly gosh!!! I wish I had the foresight to see how incompetent and inept Australia's Cricket Board is!!!

    Oh that's right, I have only been commenting about this for the past 2-years ..... along with Clarke's inadequacies which Ponting commented on a few days ago.

    How blind are people?!?

  • POSTED BY brusselslion on | October 22, 2013, 10:48 GMT

    I'm a Pom and when I visited Australia in the early 90s I was struck by the excellent organisation of Australian sport (in general), and how focused the authorities were on making sure that Aussie sportsmen/ teams were successful. Unfortunately, I haven't been back since, so I've no idea whether the Australian sporting infrastructure has fallen apart (due to incompetent management?), or whether it is just a case of the rest of the world learning lessons and catching up (this is my personal view).

    Australian cricket might not be anywhere near its' early 2000s peak but, surely this can't be blamed completely upon the existing ACB management? Players such as McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Gilchrist (not to mention 'lesser' mortals like the Waughs, Hayden, etc.) don't come along individually very often. To get a group like that come along at the same time is simply a freak event.

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    Sutherland is a cancer on Australian Cricket. He has put dollars ahead of the welfare of the game. He has turned his back on the very people who supports the game - we fans. And on his watch Australian Cricket has disappeared. The corporatisation of Australia's cricket assets has been its nadir and meant that development has been shelved for the sake of the Big Bash. Shame on Sutherland - he should do the honourable thing and leave - thus making Australian Cricket better.

  • POSTED BY Mitty2 on | October 22, 2013, 10:35 GMT

    @bobagorof, actually the Ryobi Cup was a great initiative. It's highly competitive, the standard's been high and it's been very good to watch. There's no resting of players because it was scheduled just after a Shield match and there's now an opportunity for batsmen to settle rather than just switching between formats randomly. You'll see that all of previous Australian or potential Australian batters have all benefited from this new scheduling, where the likes of Wade, White, Klinger, Marsh, Smith, Khawaja, Warner and even D Hussey are all doing well. Their confidence + a settled and fixed schedule will also only help the Shield, and you can bet to see more of the batters doing well this Shield season because of the fixed schedule. And if I'm not too greedy, after a few meetings the standards of the Shield pitches will probably have improved - retaining their traditional characteristics

  • POSTED BY dmat on | October 22, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    Ricky is one of the best batsmen of all time and whilst I've never been a big fan of Ponting the Captain but I think it is great he has stood up here and made a clear statement about CA and the management. There is no doubt that Sutherland must go (preferably before we get beaten by Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in test matches). It astounds me that he has lasted so long with such incompetence - surely there are people better able to run cricket in Australia???? You can understand why Ponting hasn't spoken up before - not only would his job be on the line but he obviously respected the position of CEO - shame Sutherland doesn't do the same and resign.

  • POSTED BY Jagger on | October 22, 2013, 10:26 GMT

    I have been saying this for years and it never gets published.

    Just as the point is made where coaches are judged on the number of matches they win, Sutherland hangs his hat on growing the bottom line. As Ponting has eloquently made the point that modern day successful coaching does not produce spinners, so too does the balance sheet show Sutherland robbing the success of Australian cricket for his own benefit. Sutherland must be the best excuse-maker known to mankind for him to still be there.

  • POSTED BY heathrf1974 on | October 22, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    Sutherland should go he seems more like a business manager than a sports manager and the wickets in Australia need to go back to how they traditionally were in the 90s so the players (both bowlers and batsman) can learn their craft. One of the main reasons I think why Australia has such a proud cricketing history is because we are the only test cricketing nation that is a continent and as such have (or did have) great variety in our wickets from state to state.

  • POSTED BY diddles on | October 22, 2013, 10:13 GMT

    Sutherland, as I have always suspected is just a PR man of little substance. The sooner he is replaced the better and someone of substance like a Ponting, a Gilchrist or a Michael Hussey. Sutherland was a very average Victorian shield player whose accession to his current role has always mystified me....because Crciket Australia is run out of Melbourne, I suspect his private schooll connections in that city have a lot to do with it.

  • POSTED BY Aristotle01 on | October 22, 2013, 10:01 GMT

    @slow.mo: Your statement is pretty darned stupid. You do realize that Ricky is fully retired and can now say what he likes while Sachin is still an active player and cant really raise a voice against his boss? Did Ricky ever say anything whilst he was active player and active captain? No. So please, talk some sense mate. Please Publish

  • POSTED BY Clavers on | October 22, 2013, 9:43 GMT

    Would Buchanan make a good replacement for Sutherland?

    What do you say, Ricky?

  • POSTED BY mican on | October 22, 2013, 9:09 GMT

    James Sutherland has to be the greatest disaster ever to afflict Australian cricket. The likes of Hilditch and Wally Edwards are the event horizon. Sutherland is the black hole our cricket has descended. The real problem with our cricket is those who commissioned the Argus report and little will improve by design until those in charge of CA are removed or retired. The same problems over team selection and preparation, pitch standards and player development have been identified but not acted on. CA wont fix anything because they profit too much by prioritising profits via meaningless tours to India and promoting the BBL over fostering excellence.

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | October 22, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    It's good Ricky Ponting is now speaking out. Too much control is exercised over individual opinions by CA, BCCI and ECB among others and the public need to know the facts.

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | October 22, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    None of this comes as a shock to anyone who has been following cricket in Australia for the last 10 years, or even 5. Cricket Australia has shown no foresight at all - there was no succession planning for the retirement of Shane Warne, except to rely on another guy who was the same age (and who retired a year or so later). Likewise, there has been an expectation that a new crop of young batsmen would crop up despite actively disrupting the structure that produces them. Pitches, First Class matches and the 2nd tier competition have all changed from 10 years ago and none have been for the better. Now the One-Day competition has been shoe-horned into the start of the season and is being played in a single city in preparation for a World Cup that hardly any of the players will participate in, when the World Cup will actually be played around the country. It's hard to find an example of an area that Cricket Australia haven't mucked up. But hey, revenues have increased...

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 8:55 GMT

    this is very interesting, I think Sutherland deserves to lose his position on the face of this, confirms what everything had been thinking, really can't believe what I just read!!

  • POSTED BY slow.mo on | October 22, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    This is why I will always rate Ponting over Tendulkar. Can you imagine Tendulkar showing as much care about Indian cricket and raise his voice against a running BCCI president?

  • POSTED BY slow.mo on | October 22, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    The more I get to know about Sutherland the more I find similarities between him and the dictators running some other boards. This doesn't go with a prosperous and democratic country like Australia. Sutherland must go.

  • POSTED BY slow.mo on | October 22, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    The more I get to know about Sutherland the more I find similarities between him and the dictators running some other boards. This doesn't go with a prosperous and democratic country like Australia. Sutherland must go.

  • POSTED BY slow.mo on | October 22, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    This is why I will always rate Ponting over Tendulkar. Can you imagine Tendulkar showing as much care about Indian cricket and raise his voice against a running BCCI president?

  • POSTED BY on | October 22, 2013, 8:55 GMT

    this is very interesting, I think Sutherland deserves to lose his position on the face of this, confirms what everything had been thinking, really can't believe what I just read!!

  • POSTED BY bobagorof on | October 22, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    None of this comes as a shock to anyone who has been following cricket in Australia for the last 10 years, or even 5. Cricket Australia has shown no foresight at all - there was no succession planning for the retirement of Shane Warne, except to rely on another guy who was the same age (and who retired a year or so later). Likewise, there has been an expectation that a new crop of young batsmen would crop up despite actively disrupting the structure that produces them. Pitches, First Class matches and the 2nd tier competition have all changed from 10 years ago and none have been for the better. Now the One-Day competition has been shoe-horned into the start of the season and is being played in a single city in preparation for a World Cup that hardly any of the players will participate in, when the World Cup will actually be played around the country. It's hard to find an example of an area that Cricket Australia haven't mucked up. But hey, revenues have increased...

  • POSTED BY Ms.Cricket on | October 22, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    It's good Ricky Ponting is now speaking out. Too much control is exercised over individual opinions by CA, BCCI and ECB among others and the public need to know the facts.

  • POSTED BY mican on | October 22, 2013, 9:09 GMT

    James Sutherland has to be the greatest disaster ever to afflict Australian cricket. The likes of Hilditch and Wally Edwards are the event horizon. Sutherland is the black hole our cricket has descended. The real problem with our cricket is those who commissioned the Argus report and little will improve by design until those in charge of CA are removed or retired. The same problems over team selection and preparation, pitch standards and player development have been identified but not acted on. CA wont fix anything because they profit too much by prioritising profits via meaningless tours to India and promoting the BBL over fostering excellence.

  • POSTED BY Clavers on | October 22, 2013, 9:43 GMT

    Would Buchanan make a good replacement for Sutherland?

    What do you say, Ricky?

  • POSTED BY Aristotle01 on | October 22, 2013, 10:01 GMT

    @slow.mo: Your statement is pretty darned stupid. You do realize that Ricky is fully retired and can now say what he likes while Sachin is still an active player and cant really raise a voice against his boss? Did Ricky ever say anything whilst he was active player and active captain? No. So please, talk some sense mate. Please Publish

  • POSTED BY diddles on | October 22, 2013, 10:13 GMT

    Sutherland, as I have always suspected is just a PR man of little substance. The sooner he is replaced the better and someone of substance like a Ponting, a Gilchrist or a Michael Hussey. Sutherland was a very average Victorian shield player whose accession to his current role has always mystified me....because Crciket Australia is run out of Melbourne, I suspect his private schooll connections in that city have a lot to do with it.

  • POSTED BY heathrf1974 on | October 22, 2013, 10:22 GMT

    Sutherland should go he seems more like a business manager than a sports manager and the wickets in Australia need to go back to how they traditionally were in the 90s so the players (both bowlers and batsman) can learn their craft. One of the main reasons I think why Australia has such a proud cricketing history is because we are the only test cricketing nation that is a continent and as such have (or did have) great variety in our wickets from state to state.