West Indies in Bangladesh 2012-13

'WI targeting top five in Tests' - Gibson

ESPNcricinfo staff

November 3, 2012

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Sunil Narine picked up three wickets on the opening day, West Indies v New Zealand, 1st Test, Antigua, 1st day, July 25, 2012
Gibson expects Sunil Narine to be a handful in Bangladesh © DigicelCricket.com/Brooks LaTouche Photography
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Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, wants his side to build on their success in 2012 by making it to the top five in the ICC Test rankings in 12 months' time. West Indies are currently at No.7, above New Zealand and bottom-placed Bangladesh, their opponents in the forthcoming two-Test tour starting November 13 in Mirpur.

West Indies lost the home series 2-0 against Australia before heading to England and conceding the Test series by the same margin. But they returned home and swept both Tests against a struggling New Zealand side, in addition to dominating the limited-overs matches. They carried forward their momentum to Sri Lanka where they lifted the World Twenty20 trophy.

"We have had a pretty solid 2012 so far so we want to finish on a winning note," Gibson said in Barbados before the team's departure for Bangladesh. "The aim is to find ways of moving up the (Test rankings) table. Because Bangladesh are below us, we will only be playing for two or three points. Our aim is to break into the top five in the next 12 months if possible."

West Indies suffered a setback when the fast bowler Kemar Roach suffered a knee injury during a club game in Barbados and had to pull out of the tour. He was replaced by Fidel Edwards. Gibson conceded that this was a blow, but was confident that Edwards, Ravi Rampaul and Tino Best would shoulder the responsibility well in foreign conditions.

Gibson said Roach's example was an eye opener for cricket boards to take steps to manage the workloads of certain players by ensuring they get enough rest as well as keep an eye on their fitness and conditioning.

"Last year during the regional tournament we took steps asking the regional boards to rest certain players who we felt needed a break. Roach's situation is unfortunate since he is on a very long break, since New Zealand," Gibson said. "He got hurt playing three weeks ago but didn't report it to anybody. In the past a lot of guys may have gone on tour with that injury, and if the injury happens in the first Test the team is a man short. We're trying to guard against that sort of stuff happening.

"You look at the amount of cricket these days, especially T20, a time will come when we need to tell a player or a regional board that this particular player needs a break. You put him in a strength and conditioning program. It's a realistic possibility that we could do stuff like that in the future."

Looking at West Indies' bowling attack, Gibson expected the spinner Sunil Narine to be a match-winner in Bangladesh, despite his inexperience in the longer formats. Narine has 12 wickets in three Tests with a five-wicket haul.

"Narine is a very fast learner. When he played his first Test it was on the back of very little first-class cricket and he had made his name in limited-overs cricket," Gibson said. "In alien conditions in England he didn't look very comfortable but when we returned to the Caribbean we saw the real Narine. Against New Zealand he started to bowl round the wicket so it shows that he is learning. We expect him to be a handful in Bangladesh and we believe he will be a match-winner in the long format as well."

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Posted by everfaithful77 on (November 6, 2012, 6:57 GMT)

It's good that Coach Gibson is setting goals for Windies. I think this is achievable provided the coach and selectors make sensible decisions in selecting Windies' squads. It isn't SENSIBLE when you continue to ignore YOUNG fast bowling talent in the region and instead keep RECYCLING the same small group of fast bowlers and expect to get BETTER results. The combined bowling avg for Rampaul, Edwards & Best is almost 40. You only have to look at Australia after being drubbed by England have bounced back to #2 with some exciting young fast bowlers like Cummins and Pattinson. The coach and selectors must not forget that Windies past SUCCESS was largely due to the young, strong fast bowlers we produced and INTRODUCED to international cricket at the time. Our success waned when Walsh and Ambroise RETIRED and the cupboard run bare. We've a few good batsmen & spin bowlers but we need to build a larger pool of fast bowlers with INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE the best of whom to make test squad.

Posted by   on (November 5, 2012, 14:40 GMT)

Check out these words of wisdom from the Australian coach.

"I wouldn't want to disrespect any nation, but against a nation like South Africa right now, and we'd probably do the same against England and India, you want an experienced head to come in," Australia's coach Mickey Arthur said. "It's not a case of blooding a youngster. You can't blood a youngster against a team like South Africa. We want a guy who is very confident in his ability, a guy who knows his game backwards, and a guy that has got a little bit of experience. That gave Rob the nod."

Maybe we can realize that cricket is success is achieved by experience and not youth. We write off players at 26. Australia starts them at 30.

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 5, 2012, 4:25 GMT)

They need two more bowlers to break into top 5. And need Chanders to continue for 2-3 years in same vein with Marlon and Gayle back in good form, they could threaten in batting department against good teams too. Gayle, Powell, Darren, Marlon, Chanders, Deo, Ramdin, Sammy, Rampaul, Narine an Roach would make a excellent team that might win many.

Posted by tappee74 on (November 5, 2012, 1:32 GMT)

It is a dream to see WI cricket towers once again.The GREAT Clive LLoyd era has left great memories of a champion side which brought tons of happiness to the region.Soon after his departure we were reduced from champion to the underdog. We saw the impeccable Richie Richardson,Alvin Kallicharran, Haynes,Greenidge,Dujohn,Holding,Roberts,Croft,Garner,but gone are those days.Today this important sport that bond the Caribbean people has been mismanaged by a handful of people who put their interest above the game.It is time they go.I am sure Gibson & Butts are good guys at heart,but we can well do without their services.

Posted by legend_963 on (November 4, 2012, 22:51 GMT)

2 match test series really doesnt prove much anyways 2-0 in favour of west indies. my real problem is when West Indies play South Africa I wanna see Steyn vs Gayle or Kallis vs Narine

Posted by   on (November 4, 2012, 18:16 GMT)

What ever happend to Devendra Bishoo or Shane Shillingford for that matter? Imagine if the Windies elected to play two spinners on Bangladeshi tracks, ithey would yield far more wickets, as the Bangladeshi batsmen have yet to see Narine or Bishoo fully enough to play each of them properly. If Gibson was smart, he would have put a word in for Bishoo to play along side Narine.

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (November 4, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

@ g.narsimha - dude, u comparing Pak to BD and Zim ? mind you, BD is way better than Pak.

Posted by g.narsimha on (November 4, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

htc-androids- i believe u r cricketing knowledge is not up to date , IND beat wi home & way last time these 2 teams met it is PAK team which could not win in WI, infact till date no series victory to thier credit in WI where as WI HAD 3 SERIES WINS right from 1971 to recently concludede series , be convercent before posting coments on public domain like cricinfo .

Posted by g.narsimha on (November 4, 2012, 14:32 GMT)

BRAVO BRAVO- WOW REALLY? remind u what was u r score line in AUS last time u r team visited 3-0, 5-0 , u r teamfailed N SL,still in the celebration mode of our last 2 white washes,those were in ENG, AUS now they are visiting,u r team is no-4 due to some un expected wins on spinner tracks in UAE but we all seen what happened once u came out even cant win iin SL , now u required to play in SA & LATER IN AUS cant emagine what will happen in those places to u team i am sure by the end of the SA TOUR u r team will comfortbl;ly placed in the company of BD, ZIM, only 3 points sepera IND & pak , at the end of ENG saries we will be either no-2 or 3 , so worry what is in store for u r team in coming moths .

Posted by   on (November 4, 2012, 13:14 GMT)

The WI coach's target for a Top Five spot in Tests is SMART. Windies have a current crop of players who can deliver as long as they stay focused and motivated. There are no dominant Test team like the Windies or AUS of recent years.

Posted by rubywoo on (November 4, 2012, 13:07 GMT)

I expect WI to come out on top in Bangladesh, but I dont think it will be easy. I expect Samuels to finish his great year in style! I think the wickets will be shared between Rampaul, Narine & hopefully Sammy. I would of definetly taken 1 of the young pace bowlers WI have coming through instead of Edwards. I think due to fitness issues Fidel should now concentrate on the shorter version's. Maybe they're taking him cos he did well in Bangladesh 12 months ago?

Does anyone know who WI will be playing at home in 2013? Last I read...Zimbabwe in March. A tri-odi series with India & Sri Lanka after the champions trophy in England. Are Pakistan going to the Carribean?

Posted by heartbreakerz on (November 4, 2012, 8:18 GMT)

to all indians...currently pak is 4th n india is at 5th position...so for west indies to get ahead of pakistan (most of u guys are claiming that they will) they will have to throw india out of d top 5 which is not very hard...is it ??

Posted by ftitumir on (November 4, 2012, 6:33 GMT)

This is gonna an exciting series........

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (November 4, 2012, 6:28 GMT)

It is the bowlers who win the match for their team even if you have ordinary batsmen that doesn't matter much. And Pak is a good example. Well if Pak can ride on Ajmal's success, a 35 year old Senior Citizen, so this WI that have young Narine who has more variations than Ajmal. All he needs to do is play more and more test matches. And then Roach, Rampaul, Edwards are better than Gul, Riaz etc any day. Good luck WI !

Posted by Sinhaya on (November 4, 2012, 4:10 GMT)

I adore West Indies big time and yearning to see them return to their days of glory. In recent years they have done well in tests, but only for the first 3 days. Main problem for them is the 2nd innings failure costing them the match. I think they can start winning tests at home but I doubt if away test match wins will be possible but hope I am wrong. Looking at the ICC FTP, they dont seem to have tests against the top teams until late 2014.

Posted by Meety on (November 4, 2012, 3:42 GMT)

I think a successful WIndies Test team is something 99% of cricket fans want to see, (Test cricket needs). There are some promising signs & I think the WIndies are managed better now than for a long while. I do think that they are setting the bar too low to just aim for the top 5. Will fans be happy more about being 5th or 1st? Set the sights for 1st, with intermediate goals of 5th.

Posted by Htc-Android on (November 4, 2012, 2:45 GMT)

West indies will surely whitewash minnows like india,bangladesh and zimbabwe. It doesnt matter home or away. But i dont think WI can beat any of the other top teams and reach to top 5.

Posted by Dhutugemunu on (November 4, 2012, 2:34 GMT)

Basically South Africa, England and Australia are having quite formidable Test teams right now. Pakistan also doing good with their spin attack. India lost 8-0 in away matches. But still they have a good team with strong batting. To displace one of these teams from top 5 will be very hard for West Indies. Currently Sri Lanka having a hard time with their test team since their bowling is not that powerful. In my opinion WI is just better than New Zealand and weaker than SL. Undoubtedly Bangladesh is the weakest test team.

Posted by Dhutugemunu on (November 4, 2012, 2:04 GMT)

Just after winning T20 world cup WI thinks they can be a good team in Tests. T20 and Test Cricket two far away in the spectrum people. If you guys remember that the BD was awarded test status just after they beat Pak in 1999 World Cup. Still BD unable to win a Test against a good opponent currently ranked 9th with 0 points. Be realistic people. Test cricket is totally different from limited overs cricket.

Posted by   on (November 4, 2012, 1:53 GMT)

bangladesh do play spinners very well bc after all most of their bowling is made up if spinners...some very good like shakib.......lets see how narine does in foreign conditions and if he is able to cope with bangladesh.......hoping for a windies whitewash....rampaul should do well here in the absence of roach

Posted by blackie on (November 4, 2012, 1:23 GMT)

I expect fans from other countries to be critical of Windies cricket but when i read negative comments from folk who appear to be West Indian i really wonder what's going on in their heads. Of course we have more than 15 players who deserve a chance on a tour but realistically all of them can't go. Thats the reason we have selectors. If it was left up to us the fans, we would vote only for players from our territories. The smaller territories would have no players on the team at all. I'm appealing to all Windies fans, let the selectors, coach and captain continue the good work they've started. We've been through 15 years of agony, disappointment and tears. Stop being insular and hateful and lets support our WEST INDIAN TEAM, whoever is in the squad. I'm from Barbados. These days we hardly have any players in the team like in the past but I support the team 100%. Come on Windies fans. The world seems to love our team more than we do.

Posted by   on (November 4, 2012, 1:05 GMT)

Sunil Narine is going to enjoy and learn cricket in Chittagong that's for sure......:)

Posted by bonobo on (November 4, 2012, 1:05 GMT)

I like these comments as I like Darren Sammy and i hope people are patient, as it will be a long road and some new talents will still need to be found to match the intelligence and commitment in the current WI leadership. I also hope the T20 acts a catalyst for test cricket in th WI again and not the opposite...i sometimes fear a world where NZ, Sri and WI decided to focus on more limited formats. A good step,for WI to reach the top 5, would be to beat the number 6 first of all, but the test series against Sri was cancelled....

Posted by BravoBravo on (November 3, 2012, 22:36 GMT)

@BD Pola: No offense mate. WI will not be whitewashed in BD. You must be mistaking WI for IND, IND remains the most whitewashed team in entire history of Cricket.

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 21:50 GMT)

Hold it! We are not world beaters yet. I enjoyed the success in the T20 tournament, but that wasn't test cricket.Bangladesh will be a handful playing at home,so focus on the game that will be played on the field.The WINDIES are still not a balance team,the batting is suspect especially at the top of the order & the lower middle order.Having Shillingford,Benn on tour would have made a tremoundous difference;The fielding is improved;lets hope Bravo & Kirk Edwards has found form to bat long productive innings.Gayle,Samuels, & Deonarine will be asked to shoulder lots of the batting.How much more are they going to rely on Chanderpaul? It is time the younger players earn their keep.Good luck WINDIES.

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 21:44 GMT)

west indies gonna be whitewash in bangladesh soil insallah watch lol

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

Only if we can somehow find Holding,late Marshall,Garner,Croft,Roberts,Ambrose,charlie Griffits, wes.Hall, again, but they are not looking.I am sure there are guys in the WI who if given the chance will come through Cottrell, Gabriel showed potential (I know got injured)if Holding came today maybe he would not get a chance because they have a guy (captain) who is taking a spot as a fast bowler which he is not, Russell showed potential but sidelined,he remindes me of Holding when Holding started before the turned into the demon he became,as long as we cant face the thruth do whats required its gona be hard,we also need tough domestic competition so players to showcase themselves,I dont want anyone resting (hiding from competition) unless is superstar .They want to pick who they favour,send to this socalled (high performance center and pick from there),call back Sarwan to captain test side , pick some young bowers for the third fast bowler we will find talent, truth hurts but........

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 20:08 GMT)

WI cricket is definitely on the march forward, heading northward in my view. Only the blind, Gibson/Sammy haters think otherwise. If you have been following WI cricket for the last decade or so and you possess even an iota of cricket knowledge, you should have detected a tangible change for the better in the team's play. They're playing smarter, disciplined, never-say-die cricket nowadays.

Will they get back to the glory days? I doubt it. But that's just my view and I hope for our team's sake, I'm wrong. They can definitely climb the ladder if they continue to play competitive cricket. Even in the absence of # 1 strike bowler Roach, we will handle Bang without too much difficulty. After all, they've been languishing at the bottom of the cricket totem pole ladder for years for a good reason.

So rally around the team loyal WI supporters and cease the nauseating harping and carping. Continue to enjoy their recent successes. GO WINDIES!!!!!!

Posted by mngc on (November 3, 2012, 20:06 GMT)

WI can move up the ladder but has to reconstruct completely. There are aging players and new ones must be brought in even if it means losing a match or series. The young pacers and spinners seem talented but not picked for this tour. Batting is the main area of concern if WI wants to climb back up. Other than Gayle, Samuels and Darren Bravo the cupboard looks quite bare. Pollard has not been picked for the tests and that is a big error of the selectors as he needs a chance to show his real worth. The other batsmen are of regional standard but not international.

Posted by AzAb12754 on (November 3, 2012, 18:45 GMT)

Honestly even as a Bangladesh fan I still can't see a test win from Bangladesh. West Indies look to strong especially with Gayle at the top but I do expect a lot of our players to highlight themselves bowling or batting. Shakib needs another 5 wicket haul to achieve his overall 10th and 100th test wicket(s). Tamim needs to get another 100 to become to become first on most 100s for Bangladesh in tests. Naeem, Junaid and maybe Shahriar all experience who have been doing well look set to return and its so difficult to choose who will be the second specialist spinner Sunny or Enamul Haque jr? remarkably though this is the first test series for Bangladesh late in the year.

Posted by FRRR on (November 3, 2012, 18:41 GMT)

Narine will be exposed in the coming series. Over hyped Bowler. He is an IPL bowler, not an International cricket bowler.

Posted by BravoBravo on (November 3, 2012, 18:15 GMT)

That seems like realistic. They have to displace IND from Spot 5 which is very likely and easy job for them. They need to be better atleast than IND and NZ to be a bit competitive among major test playing nation. Go WI make it happen.

Posted by omer123 on (November 3, 2012, 17:54 GMT)

i would say that there is a hell of a difference between t20 and tests

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 17:32 GMT)

This is a very interesting series, don't think it will at all be one sided in Windies favour but nevertheless favourites.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (November 3, 2012, 16:50 GMT)

Barring a few individuals, they don't have the class, quality or temperament to come in the top 5. The WI of the vintage era had a lethal bowling attack along with some exceptional batsmen. That's why they ruled world cricket for decades. This WI team barely has a few decent players in each of the department. Gayle, while a destructive batsman is still reckless. Samuels first needs to calm down and think modestly, Narine is very good but he alone cannot win games all the time. What about the rest ? Nothing much there.

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 16:44 GMT)

hope the west indies do well, might see some really big scores from the batters... Really looking fwd to see how @Chris Gayle and @Marlon Samuels do

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 16:40 GMT)

lolz @ counter strike pakistan have lost only 2 tests in last 2 years played 18 won 9 lost 2 hammered world no 1 3-0 :P

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 16:34 GMT)

Gibson expects Narine to be the lone bowler with others just in support; that is the type of attitude which will cause WI to fail. Narine will be overbowled get injured, meanwhile Sammy will bowl 10-15 overs per innings come in to bat at number 7 and not contribute with bat ball or in the field. When WI win he and Gibson will get the praise yet they would have done nothing yet again.

Posted by Midonoff on (November 3, 2012, 16:32 GMT)

Can be achieved looking at the current level of test cricket with no team dominaing at the top. Maybe we will have new no.1 team again very soon and WI is a gd team.

Posted by ExtremeSpeed on (November 3, 2012, 16:29 GMT)

I for some reason predict a 1-1 drawn series my opinion in total fairness.

Posted by ExtremeSpeed on (November 3, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

Narine will be exposed in tests even by a Bangladesh team. He's in my mind only a T20 specialist where you have no time to read all his varieties which is why he's so successful but in tests for him, it doesn't work even against New Zealand I think it took him some 40 or so overs to achieve a 5 wicket haul. Before you say Narine will find it too too easy against a weaker team like Bangladesh, Ajmal tried and didn't find it easy against such a team just okay same with Narine.

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 16:22 GMT)

yes they r WI FAICING bangladesh to have another banglawash lyk newzeland, bangladesh will b top ranked within 12 month then WI, MR Ben Manning i dont know wat do u knw abt bangladesh i m sure wi is going to faicing a different tiger dis time, yes they need better progress against bangladesh otherwise they will have BAnglawash

Posted by pvwadekar on (November 3, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

It doesn't matter if u are playing a number 1 team or number 10 team, test cricket is difficult and the fact that west indies want to go higher is a good sign. Previously the players just coasted through without motivation but now they have the motivation and desire. There is a feeling that the players are really united as a team and enjoying each other's success. West indies have a good mixture of experienced players and bright young talent (batsmen bowlers and spinners). They have had a really good T20 tournament and won an incredible final match, so they are on a high & right now is the time. This is a good strategy by the team think tank to try and go a little higher in the ranking. So getting in the top 5 is a good goal and they should have a similar goal for ODI's also.

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 16:02 GMT)

Tt baffles that we can leave out a spin bowler (Shane Shillingford)who have proven himself for a period of just over 10 years bowling an average of 30 overs per inning..after just a short time playing test cricket and having taken 10 wkts in a test match a record which existed for over 40 years,taken to England where Narine played his first test match who have played only 3 first Class matches , both of them struggled in English conditions... In the Caribbean series which followed vs New Zealand Shane was discarded Narine was preferred he bowled probably close to 70 overs in the Antigua test match did well in terms of his returns,but when he went to Jamaica the following week for the 2nd test it was evident that he did to much work in Antigua which he was not used to and couldn't do much in Jamaica,Deonarine thankfully took up the slack. My point is it funny the apparently we are depending on a bowler who has not proven or accustom to bowling long spells which to me is dangerous.

Posted by EnglishCricket on (November 3, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

I think they're getting a bit too carried away after winning World t20, first they said Number 1 in odis and now top 5 in tests.

Posted by PhaniBhaskar24 on (November 3, 2012, 15:06 GMT)

WI can defenitely do that. Beating Bangladesh in Bangladesh may not be easy.But, if you win first session of any day of cricket, they will succumb to pressure....then the win is yours..all the best

Posted by Porky_PigTheToon on (November 3, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

WI really have potential to become top ranked test team. if not top then at least better than pakistan.

Posted by InsideHedge on (November 3, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

It's not brash for the WI think tank to project a Top 5 standing but actually delivering will be very difficult. I expect them to stay above NZ and Bangla for the next 12 months, NZ have slipped alarmingly and Bangla just don't play enough FC cricket to stay competitive for 5 days.

However, getting ahead of India and/or Pak won't be easy. Do the WI have the ability to take 20 wickets consistently? Do their batsmen have the mental makeup to bat well in the 2nd inns, an area of concern since they routinely collapse in the 2nd after a good showing in the 1st.

The other issue they need to address is their appalling fast bowling injury record. It's interesting Gibson mentions strength and conditioning, that may well be the area where the quickies develop bad habits. They need to be bowling for long periods NOT spending time pumping iron and checking their heartbeats every hour!

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

Gibson expects Narine to be the lone bowler with others just in support; that is the type of attitude which will cause WI to fail. Narine will be overbowled get injured, meanwhile Sammy will bowl 10-15 overs per innings come in to bat at number 7 and not contribute with bat ball or in the field. When WI win he and Gibson will get the praise yet they would have done nothing yet again.

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 14:48 GMT)

It would help if the west indies actually had any test cricket in the next 12 months!!! why oh why so soon after playing them last do they face Bangladesh.. how can they ever progress??

Posted by   on (November 3, 2012, 14:40 GMT)

I don't really get the point of having a ranking table for tests I mean only 10 teams play it with 8 of them full time. Kind of embarrassing as a Cricket fan when these rankings are compared to other sports I mean 10th place in i.e. Football or Rugby is very very good while in Cricket its bad hope you can see.

Posted by Narbavi on (November 3, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

in ur dreams, or hey wait, u guys surely can finish above srilanka, pakistan and Bangladesh!!

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