Australia in England 2012 July 7, 2012

Australia no longer a top-class ODI team

Like all Australians, my proudest day was back on October 5 in 2009. It was the day when Australia proudly sported their white jackets as the victors of the most important prize in cricket, the Champion's Trophy
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Like all Australians, my proudest day was back on October 5 in 2009. It was the day when Australia proudly sported their white jackets as the victors of the most important prize in cricket, the Champion's Trophy. That victory was enough to wipe clear any memories of getting smashed in India, losing at home for the first time since Dakota Fanning was born - beaten by South Africa - or handing back the Ashes to England.

In fact, no matter how poor Australia could be in Test Matches, they have managed to stay on top of the ICC ODI table. Not that it means much as MS Dhoni lifted the World Cup. But the point is, they were still pretty good.

Now, they're not.

The current Australian ODI team has no No.3. They struggle to score against spin bowling. And their batting depth is even concerning the chairman of selectors. In this series, England have highlighted all of these problems with Australia. England have often struggled in limited-overs cricket, but with a near Test team, two white balls and a team that can run through any non subcontinental walls, they have smashed Australia so far in this series.

Eoin Morgan brought out the hammer against the Australian bowlers at Lord's. Up until that point the Aussies had looked ok, not great ok, but ok ok, and they'd kept England down. Then Morgan hit the ball where he wanted and Australia had no answer.

In their chase, their lack of batting depth could not have been more evident by the fact that Steve Smith was batting at No.6, after not bowling. There were times when Australia found themselves in good positions, but with George Bailey chopping on to a limping James Anderson, David Hussey getting bounced out and Smith nicking behind lamely, they never quite got there.

At The Oval, Australia's No.3 was Peter Forrest after George Bailey batted there at Lord's. He made 12 off 30. Forrest doesn't look like a natural No.3 ODI player. He has the ability to make big innings, but he doesn't stamp himself on a match, and the fact that both he and Bailey have been there show that Australia are unsure as to who their No.3 is.

When Bailey did come in, he scored a half-century. But he, and several other Australian batsmen, just couldn't get Graeme Swann away. Australia lost all momentum, and the chance to put a winning total on the board, Swann went for 3.37 an over. It seemed like midwicket was an industrial vacuum. It wasn't just Bailey who struggled, and it isn't the first time Australian batsmen have struggled to get the ball to the sweepers.

Some of these problems are not new, some are systemic, others have been exaggerated against England, and none have been helped by retirements of missing members. But Australia's claim, however tenuous, on the No.1 ICC ranking, may disappear very shortly. Australia are clearly no longer a top class ODI team. And they will have to rebuild their ODI side much like they have with their Test team. Sadly for them, the next time the white jackets of the Champion's Trophy are handed out, Australia will probably not be wearing them.

Jarrod Kimber is 50% of the Two Chucks, and the mind responsible for cricketwithballs.com

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  • nizar on September 12, 2012, 20:13 GMT

    i think no one must hurry to say aussis are weak this is temporary set back aussis always playing aggressive cricket without aussis there is no cricket

  • Muhammad Wasim on July 26, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    Aussies best ever.... new blood soon hard working and improvment... Ponting back...then team Australia still No.1 other wise No.3...

  • RohanMarkJay on July 11, 2012, 7:40 GMT

    Australia are still a good team. Their test team is not bad either. I think this particular Australian team would do alright in hotter drier conditions. Unfortunately for Australia, this summer has proven to be a very wet summer with heavy clouds etc. This has made the cricket ball to move around far more. England are very good in their conditions. They know it well especially this team.They England bowlers used the conditions better than Australia and they batted more circumspect in this wet summer unlike Australia.Had this summer been a hot dry summer which can sometimes happen. The ball wouldn't have been moving around as much and Australia would have coped better. Which means the series would have been a lot closer.For a lot of the Aussies who brought up on Aussie summers where the ball doesn't seam and move around as much as in England.So I think their failure here is not because Oz is a bad team as Jarrod Kimber says.It would have been interesting if this series was played in Oz.

  • ken bentall on July 9, 2012, 20:02 GMT

    I am crippled with mirth over the comments of tahir. Get off of your anti-English soapbox for a minute and accept that if any team was shocking away from it's own dust bowl back yard, it was India!!! It even needed a South African coach to meld the sometime brilliant, sometime erratic individuals into the number one test team in the world. Without Gary Kirsten you'd never have made it. Too much squabbling, politics and contrived no balls in your camp!

  • calypsocricket on July 9, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    What else can be said about a Team ( all 3 forms ) that barely scraped through a recently concluded series in the WI, by the skin of their teeth? Not to bother chappy, there will be much more to write about in the future! Hot teams now are Eng.SA,Ind.and SL.

  • calypsocricket on July 9, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    What else can be said about a Team ( all 3 forms ) that barely scraped through a recently concluded series in the WI, by the skin of their teeth? Not to bother chappy, there will be much more to write about in the future! Hot teams now are Eng.SA,Ind.and SL.

  • King Shani on July 9, 2012, 18:15 GMT

    Look there is change in an era.. for most of the teams there experience players are rietering look at pakistan, Sri lanka even england has young players and india... so there is no point in looking back at what you have achieved and its time to call the younger players like cummins, north and wade and many more talented players up. This is the best way for Austrlia cricket and the advantage is that 2015 world cup is in australia so Austrlians could really take this cup but they have to start playing with younger players and its time to say good bye to Lee and Ponting they were great over the years but not anymore

  • Aussie_Nrz on July 9, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    Aussie batting and bowling combination for this particular series was not good at all. And why can't M. Wade bat at number 3 he is a very good batsmen. And they can also bring C. White,S. Marsh, M. Marsh, Dan Christain back in their squad. For god sake play R. Harris, M. Starc, C. McKay as first choice seamers in playing 11 in ODI. And don't play any spinner for matches played in England, Australia, South Africa as we can use another fast bowler may be P. Cummins as M. Clarke and D. Hussey are good spinners and Warner can bowl 1 or 2 overs per game. They can combiningly fulfill the spinner bowling quota if necessary with reasonable economy and strike rate. And M. Clarke is a genuine partnership breaker. With four fast bowlers, one fast bowling all rounder (either Watson, Christain or M. Marsh) we will be worthy number 1 ODI side. Remember M. Hussey will also be back.

  • ted corbett on July 9, 2012, 15:25 GMT

    I'm only writing this email because I'm bored listening to the cuckoo music on the HMRC help line bu I read your book on the recent home Ashes series and enjoyed it more than most cricket books. (God, she's said it all over again. I swear if she . . . Christ, I'm talking to a human being and a helpful one). OK, all that is over so well done with the book. I do he same work as you so I know the difficulties and all that and wish you well.

  • Turbs on July 9, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    We have so many more better batsmen just staying idle in the domestic leagues. Players like Quiney, Finch, Shaun Marsh, Dan Harris, Michael Klinger all need a shot in the Aussie team. Even if we use all rounders like Dan Christian or Mitch Marsh we can still improve

  • nizar on September 12, 2012, 20:13 GMT

    i think no one must hurry to say aussis are weak this is temporary set back aussis always playing aggressive cricket without aussis there is no cricket

  • Muhammad Wasim on July 26, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    Aussies best ever.... new blood soon hard working and improvment... Ponting back...then team Australia still No.1 other wise No.3...

  • RohanMarkJay on July 11, 2012, 7:40 GMT

    Australia are still a good team. Their test team is not bad either. I think this particular Australian team would do alright in hotter drier conditions. Unfortunately for Australia, this summer has proven to be a very wet summer with heavy clouds etc. This has made the cricket ball to move around far more. England are very good in their conditions. They know it well especially this team.They England bowlers used the conditions better than Australia and they batted more circumspect in this wet summer unlike Australia.Had this summer been a hot dry summer which can sometimes happen. The ball wouldn't have been moving around as much and Australia would have coped better. Which means the series would have been a lot closer.For a lot of the Aussies who brought up on Aussie summers where the ball doesn't seam and move around as much as in England.So I think their failure here is not because Oz is a bad team as Jarrod Kimber says.It would have been interesting if this series was played in Oz.

  • ken bentall on July 9, 2012, 20:02 GMT

    I am crippled with mirth over the comments of tahir. Get off of your anti-English soapbox for a minute and accept that if any team was shocking away from it's own dust bowl back yard, it was India!!! It even needed a South African coach to meld the sometime brilliant, sometime erratic individuals into the number one test team in the world. Without Gary Kirsten you'd never have made it. Too much squabbling, politics and contrived no balls in your camp!

  • calypsocricket on July 9, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    What else can be said about a Team ( all 3 forms ) that barely scraped through a recently concluded series in the WI, by the skin of their teeth? Not to bother chappy, there will be much more to write about in the future! Hot teams now are Eng.SA,Ind.and SL.

  • calypsocricket on July 9, 2012, 18:43 GMT

    What else can be said about a Team ( all 3 forms ) that barely scraped through a recently concluded series in the WI, by the skin of their teeth? Not to bother chappy, there will be much more to write about in the future! Hot teams now are Eng.SA,Ind.and SL.

  • King Shani on July 9, 2012, 18:15 GMT

    Look there is change in an era.. for most of the teams there experience players are rietering look at pakistan, Sri lanka even england has young players and india... so there is no point in looking back at what you have achieved and its time to call the younger players like cummins, north and wade and many more talented players up. This is the best way for Austrlia cricket and the advantage is that 2015 world cup is in australia so Austrlians could really take this cup but they have to start playing with younger players and its time to say good bye to Lee and Ponting they were great over the years but not anymore

  • Aussie_Nrz on July 9, 2012, 15:59 GMT

    Aussie batting and bowling combination for this particular series was not good at all. And why can't M. Wade bat at number 3 he is a very good batsmen. And they can also bring C. White,S. Marsh, M. Marsh, Dan Christain back in their squad. For god sake play R. Harris, M. Starc, C. McKay as first choice seamers in playing 11 in ODI. And don't play any spinner for matches played in England, Australia, South Africa as we can use another fast bowler may be P. Cummins as M. Clarke and D. Hussey are good spinners and Warner can bowl 1 or 2 overs per game. They can combiningly fulfill the spinner bowling quota if necessary with reasonable economy and strike rate. And M. Clarke is a genuine partnership breaker. With four fast bowlers, one fast bowling all rounder (either Watson, Christain or M. Marsh) we will be worthy number 1 ODI side. Remember M. Hussey will also be back.

  • ted corbett on July 9, 2012, 15:25 GMT

    I'm only writing this email because I'm bored listening to the cuckoo music on the HMRC help line bu I read your book on the recent home Ashes series and enjoyed it more than most cricket books. (God, she's said it all over again. I swear if she . . . Christ, I'm talking to a human being and a helpful one). OK, all that is over so well done with the book. I do he same work as you so I know the difficulties and all that and wish you well.

  • Turbs on July 9, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    We have so many more better batsmen just staying idle in the domestic leagues. Players like Quiney, Finch, Shaun Marsh, Dan Harris, Michael Klinger all need a shot in the Aussie team. Even if we use all rounders like Dan Christian or Mitch Marsh we can still improve

  • Turbs on July 9, 2012, 12:57 GMT

    We have so many more better batsmen just staying idle in the domestic leagues. Players like Quiney, Finch, Shaun Marsh, Dan Harris, Michael Klinger all need a shot in the Aussie team. Even if we use all rounders like Dan Christian or Mitch Marsh we can still improve

  • Turbs on July 9, 2012, 12:57 GMT

    We have so many more better batsmen just staying idle in the domestic leagues. Players like Quiney, Finch, Shaun Marsh, Dan Harris, Michael Klinger all need a shot in the Aussie team. Even if we use all rounders like Dan Christian or Mitch Marsh we can still improve

  • Jackson Barrett on July 9, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    Australia still is a top class ODI side. Hussey is not playing for personal reasons and you cant do anything about that. He will come back back and improve the side...

    Also, you can not replace a player like Ricky Ponting straight away. He is a once in a lifetime player. Clarke, Hussey, Watson etc just need to pick up the slack now.

  • Aussie_Nrz on July 9, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    You cant say that they have not played their best possible ODI team available. They are using this series to make their test players familiar with English conditions. The best squad we can have currently: Warner, Clarke, M. Hussey, D. Hussey, Wade, G. Bailey, C. White, Watson, M. Starc, McKay, R. Harris, Doherty, B. Lee, P. Cummins, M. Johnson

  • coolindian fan on July 9, 2012, 6:05 GMT

    i am an Indian .But i still like Australia team as well.Their recent thrashing was sad. But they had no chance to compete with England.Their chances in upcoming dont look good either.

  • Adrian on July 9, 2012, 3:19 GMT

    The problem is that they went to this 5 match ODI series looking ahead to the future. They were looking at probably Forrest, if not him then Bailey and as the 3rd choice Steve Smith for a test batting spot. None of them were in the team on merit and if this was a first choice ODI squad not a single one of them would have been there. We would have instead had Cameron White, Mitchell Marsh and Dan Christian. Even Pat Cummins being in the side lacked legitimacy, with surely Mitchell Starc in better form. And was Mitchell Johnson really the best ODI bowler? Or was this just an attempt to get him into some form? Then, by refusing to play their best squad for this inconsequential series, they made it very easy for England. I can harp on about them letting England annoy them to death, getting bogged down, not going for their shots, lack of imagination with the bowling changes and all of the rest but if you have the wrong personnel - and the wrong attitude from selectors - then it is very hard

  • Junior#1 on July 9, 2012, 1:16 GMT

    The most frustrating thing about Australian cricket is that they aren't putting their best foot forward in terms of a squad. George bailey is being picked as a back-up captain and Peter Forrest has an ordinairy List A record and is picked for his 4 day form. Batsman like Finch, Quiney, Cooper need to be rewarded for good form. These are batsman that can dominate a bowler. And despite a terrible run in tests, Shaun Marsh remains up there as far as talent in world cricket. And just wait for his brother Mitchell if he stays fit.

  • Desihungama on July 8, 2012, 20:26 GMT

    Of course. SLPL player's auction. 18 players from Australia? Not many teams are able to balance all three formats with ODI's being affected specifically.

  • Sai Prasad on July 8, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    If this does not embarass the Aussie supporters, then I am sure losses to SA, India in India and the ashes will complete the circle.

  • Sudhir G.K on July 8, 2012, 15:45 GMT

    Every Team undergoes Transition and the current Australian side also is undergoing the same. Everyone has to understand that it takes some time to build stalwarts in the team. Remember that it took really some time to gather stalwarts like Ricky Ponting, Adam Gilchrist, Mathew Hayden, Justin Langer, Shane Warne, Damien Martyn, Glenn McGrath.

  • Deep Thinker on July 8, 2012, 15:25 GMT

    The problem is selecion policies. Voges and Ferguson both average over 40 in ODIs. Get them in there for goodness sakes, instead of persisting with Forrest, Bailey and Steve Smith. What a joke. Selection policies have always been dubious since the big swag of retirements came into place. Why Voges and Ferguson have not featured in the past couple of years beggars belief. They have not done anything wrong when selected. Clarke should be number 3.

  • AG on July 8, 2012, 14:40 GMT

    Well, I am glad to see Aussies getting thrashed. When they were on top they were so arrogant and bashful. They dis-respected opponents and brought in a heartless, bitter and hard game. The Aus media tried to unsettle touring teams by targeting their players, and often undermined opponents top performances. Then there's the cheating - Pls see the compilation on Youtube of Pontings cheating - both as a batsman as a fielder. There's a reason Aussie sports teams don't find fans overseas. Even the late-90s Wallabies had very few fans compared to All Blacks who had adoring fans all over because they played hard, but respected the game and the opponents. So, no sympathy for you, Australia!

  • Emsworth on July 8, 2012, 14:11 GMT

    Just going by the headline,did you really take such a long time to realize that 'Australia is no longer a top class ODI team'? A humble fan like myself and half the cricket world knew this a couple of years ago.Its not only ODI's but even in 20/20 and Tests, OZ are sadly a shadow of their former selves.

  • Jagger on July 8, 2012, 13:10 GMT

    Very well written and what's more to the point, very accurate. Like the Soccer-playing nations, there is a renamed, re-packaged leviathon sporting system omnipresent in Australian sport now known as the AFL. Each year they announce with such nationalistic pride that their football code, nee mega-business, has once again taken a future Australian cricket captain and turned the young lad into a Footballer. Cricket Australia was well aware the Warne, McGrath and Gilchrist had a use-by date. Yet the press blame the selectors and the "reject footballers". We're not silly.

  • B S Kumar on July 8, 2012, 11:17 GMT

    Just because England have got a few things going right, doesn't mean everyone who plays them and loses is getting everything wrong. England can be beaten and so can Australia, and so can any other team in the world, depending on the conditions. There is a lot of cricket coming up, and I wouldn't write any team off, and I wouldn't write up any team either.

  • Chintan on July 8, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    Hope I am not missing some hidden sarcasm..but in what world was the Champion's trophy the most important prize in cricket ?

  • Al Smith on July 8, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    For those who claim England cant play ODIs overseas, they beat a decent Pakistan team 4-0 earlier this year in the Emirates, the start of 9 successive victories. This team is getting stronger and will be no 1 in all three formats before the year is out!

  • CrocDundee on July 8, 2012, 7:49 GMT

    We are awful and currently would struggle to beats of likes of Canada etc. This is a dark day for Australian cricket and we should just accept that we can't complete with the best teams in the world. Hats to the poms, they are a very good team these days. Not looking forward to next year and more humiliation.

  • Vivek on July 8, 2012, 5:29 GMT

    just a phase for Aus team, every team goes through it, lets hope they recover quickly,

  • johnny on July 8, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    Thats right...australia is weak now....no.1 fav in odi is westindies now..and england is no.2....south africa has a gud team but they choke by default....india is no.3 in my opinion...australia,this is your end

  • Javed on July 8, 2012, 4:33 GMT

    Sure they are not no.1 side from now on , they have to reselect ODI team, where is Callum Ferguson, for me he is better no.3 player then Forrest or Bailey, why not using Finch instead of Forrest, and why not Cutting in the side, White too is good no.3 player in the absence of Ricky, Marsh too given chance but couldn't provided any thing useful, OZ badly needed opener like Amla or Bell, they have both attacking opener , but not fired yet, Watson yet to fire himself after his Injury comeback, OZ don't have good spinner X is good but he is not good enough thou, Lees should quiet now, Alone Pup looks in good shape.. CA must think about it, there most successful bowler is Clint McKay who is not even given Central Contract, this shows leaks in the side

  • tharaka.nc on July 8, 2012, 4:10 GMT

    if anyone say that this england team can be compared to aussie team under buchanan just because they are nr 1 ranked, thats a joke..... they have just beaten aussies when thay are at the bottom of their form, england have to beat SL,IND n PAK in subcontinent consistently if they are to be reckoned as a top class team

  • onthe side on July 8, 2012, 1:56 GMT

    The Aussies have been on the decline a while now the struggled to tie an ODI series against a poor WI Team that says alot

  • commonsense on July 8, 2012, 1:25 GMT

    All sides seem to be strong in their own backyards. Some teams are marginally better than others - otherwise all top teams, England,India,Australia,SA and even the second tier teams such as Pak and SL are tigers in their own land but pussycats on foreign soil.

  • Mad Dog on July 8, 2012, 0:55 GMT

    And don't we all miss Punter now???

  • Matt Fallaize on July 8, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    @Tahir, yes, I well recall what happened in UAE and Sri Lanka. England lost a test series, won an ODI series, won a T20 series and then drew another test series. What do you recall? Or were you not paying attention?

  • Matt Fallaize on July 8, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    @Tahir, yes, I well recall what happened in UAE and Sri Lanka. England lost a test series, won an ODI series, won a T20 series and then drew another test series. What do you recall? Or were you not paying attention?

  • Jimmy on July 8, 2012, 0:04 GMT

    What has happened to Callum Ferguson?

  • Jaberwock on July 7, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    This Australian team is second rate, and cannot be compared to the teams of the 1990's and early 2000's. I cannot believe that the current crop of players is the best that Australia can put on the field. Simon Katich and Chris Rogers would vastly improve the batting line up, and Katich would provide an extra bowling option. There is such a depth of talent in English cricket at the present time, that England could field an entire team of new players for the next game, and still win.

  • dontae on July 7, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    the australian team is lacking/missing something ricky ponting would bring to the team and somewhat with hussey missing they have been blown away by an ok english side. By their standards the feilding has been below par, the bowling has lacked discipline, the batting hasnt been up to scratch.Lets give credit where its due, england have played well but this is a very ordinary england side that has dominated the aussies left right and centre, they should bring back ponting into the team. yes the ball has swung but thats always the case in the uk and many aussie teams have won there.

  • Knots_in_Notts on July 7, 2012, 22:29 GMT

    @andrew shulz, to be fair the article did say that the England attack run through non sub-continental walls which I am surmising that the Jarrod Kimber's inference is that they don't do it on the sub continent

  • Parth on July 7, 2012, 21:39 GMT

    ahah why are we debating on 50 over format which IPL is gonna eat in few years...also we indians still thinks we are the best still after Eng and OZ series..

  • Parth on July 7, 2012, 21:39 GMT

    ahah why are we debating on 50 over format which IPL is gonna eat in few years...also we indians still thinks we are the best still after Eng and OZ series..

  • Anonymous on July 7, 2012, 20:00 GMT

    warner hughes white m hussey ferguson watson Paine cummins pattinson siddle harris

  • Jp on July 7, 2012, 19:42 GMT

    England are number one in all formats of the game, so it's no shame in losing to them. Australia have had a torrid time of it lately, they're either going to go home with a conciliatory victory or whitewashed.

  • Anonymous on July 7, 2012, 19:41 GMT

    England are number one in all formats of the game, so it's no shame in losing to them. Australia have had a torrid time of it lately, they're either going to go home with a conciliatory victory or whitewashed.

  • epochery on July 7, 2012, 19:33 GMT

    There are some ingtersting comments here, some that only say England can win in English conditions, or that this is not Australia's best side. Englasnd have had recent succes in UAE and Sri Lanka in ODI's and the fact is you can only win in the conditions that you are presented with. England are the most inform ODI side in world cricket at the moment nd do have a consistent selection policy that seems to be working. Australia on the other hand are using this series as a way to give some younger players a chance to get some international ecperienc and are exprimeting with its format. This is a nothing series with little immediate consequence and should be treated as such.

  • davidpk on July 7, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    before the series started some of our favorite writers were saying what they would do to england. i wrote then saying how many of this team collected points towards making the aussies # 1. not many. they are lucky for the rained of game at birmingham, or they could have been become tops in all 3 formats

  • mayan on July 7, 2012, 18:58 GMT

    if australia not a top odi team, who's the top odi team? england? south africa? the truth is there are no top teams right now in world cricket, not in odi's not even in test,

  • Umar Farooq on July 7, 2012, 18:57 GMT

    Australia selector must think about their team ,onetime they are number one and now like a club team. Every one has individual performance

  • Jon in Switzerland on July 7, 2012, 18:54 GMT

    If anyone needs to know how bad Oz are at the moment, they only need to look at this series so far. Losing ODIs to an England team which is more or less playing test-match cricket with a test-match team is a pretty poor effort. Never mind that England have a superb test team, several of their batsmen probably wouldn't get a go in most of the international teams in ODIs - indeed, in ODIs England didn't select Cook for ages, have angst about playing Trott, dropped Morgan recently, are unsure about Kieswetter, bounce Bell up and down the order and bring Bopara in and out of the team depending on the form of others. If that unstable batting line-up is battering the Aussie bowlers, then serious questions need to be asked of the bowling before you even start tearing strips off the batsmen.

  • Umar Farooq on July 7, 2012, 18:51 GMT

    Australia selector must think about their team ,onetime they are number one and now like a club team. Every one has individual performance

  • Thabo Makeleni on July 7, 2012, 18:30 GMT

    Mickey Arthur , the Coach, has said nothing yet ? In fact Australia has made no improvement under him.

    Is he the right man to coach Australia ?

  • ckt fan on July 7, 2012, 18:29 GMT

    its nice to see the termination of aussie domination.they looked off mode today.their batters are awful.cant hit the ball around for a single,cant score big.... time to change... what the hell is forrest doing??

  • Gv on July 7, 2012, 18:27 GMT

    Bring in Ricky ponting ....!!!!!1 Selectors, pls....!!!!! i beg u guys!!!

  • Gus on July 7, 2012, 18:20 GMT

    Lets see how good this english side really is whenthe Saffas tour in a couple of weeks...

  • maneesh on July 7, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    there was a guy called RICKY PONTING...who served aus at no3 for years...he wasnt willing to get aside of ODIs format...just a few bad scores,and he was showen the door...im an indian..and can undoubtedly say he still is aus best no3 player...he still has couple of yrs left in him...

  • Jayesh.V.K on July 7, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    Australia lost their 'fearless' attitude.After England series they will loose their numero uno status in ODI's.Never looked settled in England and now 3-0 down.

  • Jayesh.V.K on July 7, 2012, 18:09 GMT

    Australia lost their 'fearless' attitude.After England series they will loose their numero uno status in ODI's.Never looked settled in England and now 3-0 down.

  • Tybalt on July 7, 2012, 17:56 GMT

    Clean bowled by Ravi Freaking Bopara. I think it's time for George Bailey to get some rest, preferably in a dark, padded room.

    Good piece JRod. I think I'm going to continue to enjoy this rare and no doubt short-lived period of Aussie floundering.

  • CuttingEdge on July 7, 2012, 17:41 GMT

    Sorry

    But all those Aussies with rose-tinted spectacles were obviously not watching the same match I was listening to Jim Maxwell commentate on. He more or less said the 3 matches had been men against boys and he could only see the gulf widening when looking at who England had sitting in the wings. He was left with the impression that this was a very special team in the making.

    And Jim has always been a straight-up guy for many years in my book. For an Aussie ;)

    Seriously impressed with the balance of the England side - reminiscent of that great Windies side of the 80's:

    Great pace attack (+Swanny) A mixture of stable and flair batting.

    England's bowling? The current England side are far a far better fielding side than that Windies team.

    And they bat down to 9...

    so credit where its due, please.

    I would add I'm well impressed with Cook's clinical killer instinct as captain. Who would have thought it from such a nice young man?

  • akrishna on July 7, 2012, 17:39 GMT

    well india has lost to england in england for 5-0 ,when england came to india they lost to 5-0 .now a days home grounds becoming advantage ,so u cant say that Australia is the NO.1 team and it will be they are having a good bowling attack england has scored 201 in 48th over,but due to NO.3 spot they are having issues

  • akrishna on July 7, 2012, 17:39 GMT

    well india has lost to england in england for 5-0 ,when england came to india they lost to 5-0 .now a days home grounds becoming advantage ,so u cant say that Australia is the NO.1 team and it will be they are having a good bowling attack england has scored 201 in 48th over,but due to NO.3 spot they are having issues

  • Rajiv Srinivasan R on July 7, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    i keep saying this, it is not a systemic problem, it has been a consistent selection failure. selector, captain all select their friends and loyals. Why is players like smith, Warner keeps getting picked inspite of the techncial flawsand players like fergusson, Cosgrove,Quinney keeps getting neglected inspite of their perfromances.OZ's dominated because they had a stron top 3 in Slater-Taylor and Mark waugh and hen later in Hatyden-Langer-Ponting. today's top 3 stands a plae comparison of the names mentioned.Oz's need to remmeber no match can be won by bits and pieces player. Warner,Smith, Bailey are all bits and pieces player and should be discarded. Please do the same with Mitchell jhonson and lee.

  • Anonymous on July 7, 2012, 17:35 GMT

    i keep saying this, it is not a systemic problem, it has been a consistent selection failure. selector, captain all select their friends and loyals. Why is players like smith, Warner keeps getting picked inspite of the techncial flawsand players like fergusson, Cosgrove,Quinney keeps getting neglected inspite of their perfromances.OZ's dominated because they had a stron top 3 in Slater-Taylor and Mark waugh and hen later in Hatyden-Langer-Ponting. today's top 3 stands a plae comparison of the names mentioned.Oz's need to remmeber no match can be won by bits and pieces player. Warner,Smith, Bailey are all bits and pieces player and should be discarded. Please do the same with Mitchell jhonson and lee.

  • calypsocricket on July 7, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    Don't have to be a cricketing genius to know that Australia is on their way down in all forms of the game. Much have to do with the selectors and the way in which they select the various teams. HEAVY favoritism is at work in the selectors' teams. Australia world class proven potentials are given the short end of the stick, while average players are given more chances that they deserved. The selectors/authorities should also realised that they cannot keep forcing their best players out of the game when there is no proper replacements. Your are right on the money to say that they are no longer a force to be reckon with. This goes for all forms of the game. By the end of this year, they will be competing with NZ for a place above Ban and Zim. in the points table.

  • jackthelad on July 7, 2012, 17:21 GMT

    What exactly do you mean by 'number One'? Australia are king of the hill by a ridiculous numbers game, not because they are the best on the field. Have a look at today's result, if you doubt this. It's not just that Oz got beat, but they didn't have a clue.

  • Anonymous on July 7, 2012, 17:21 GMT

    Talk about stating the obvious Jarrod. There are officially no excuses for Australian fans left.

  • Anonymous on July 7, 2012, 17:07 GMT

    When an average "england" (aka world) team rank number one at tests and flog australia in ODi it shows just how weak world cricket currently is. Remember, this is teh same england team flogged by Australia (when they had decent players) and recently flogged by a lame pakistan. hardly a ringing endorsement of cricket or England. This certainly ranks as the weakest Australia team for at least 30 years

  • 5wombats on July 7, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    Yes - we are seeing Aussie for what they are now. The 2011 World Cup Quarter Finals exit by Aus was something that could be written off as being to do with Sub-continental conditions - but most people thought that Australia as "Number 1" ranked team should have at least have been capable of going to the Semis. It was an indicator that everyone excused. But the truth is that the current Aus ODI team are a shadow that that once great side.

  • yougander reddy on July 7, 2012, 16:52 GMT

    where are players like dan christian,cameron white,callum fergusson,tim paine,mitchell marsh and shaun marsh and klinger ?? even dan harris !! all are too good to be in this team !!steven smith never deserved to be in this team there are manyy better players than him but selectors are always stupid !!

  • jackthelad on July 7, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    I doubt that anyone here is stupid enough to call Australia a 'rubbish' team, the fact is that they are not very good and not within a million miles of being as good as their one-eyed fans think they should be.

  • RickyP on July 7, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    Clearly England are streets, years ahead of Australia at Test Cricket. Ahead on skill, ability and fitness. Now no one would sensibly argue the same is not true in the ODI format. Who would've thought it 5 or so years ago, we can all now say England are not just the better test team but the better one day team too.

  • Paras on July 7, 2012, 14:56 GMT

    Australia will be at 6th Rank in ODIs till the end of the year.

  • Subhash Devadiga on July 7, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Yes Australia are not that top class Odi team,Their poor performance has been masked to certain extent in their Home series Indian assault.Otherwise since World Cup they have been an Average side so average that even Zimbabwe,Bangladesh and Ireland on their day can thrashed Aussies convincingly

  • john cam on July 7, 2012, 14:35 GMT

    With reference to ODI's only Australia, unlike England have failed to fire for want of inovation. Rather than talk about England's flare and freedom of play...Our blokes are tad withdrawn, not playing the game in context... MJ was a mistake, failing with the ball, clout the bloody thing dammit,Aussies stop pussy footing and bash the ball, every ball... this is just not cricket school...just watch the English swing the willow !?@$%#

  • shamsul karim on July 7, 2012, 14:25 GMT

    Any of team can beat Australia now like Bangladesh,Ireland

  • Terry Jones of Australia on July 7, 2012, 14:07 GMT

    Its Australia's off season, Englands season. Australia is touring and England is at home. Yet despite this the points system grants the same number of points to each side as if the scenerio was the reverse. Regardless of who is the best in the world in each format, the current system wont show that!

  • Jared on July 7, 2012, 12:29 GMT

    They want a number three they should get Cameron White back in the side. I know it sounds crazy now, but Whitey's best international cricket has ALL been played at number three. He can play defensively and can accelerate. I don't think he's a test number three but in ODIs he has form in the role. Plus he can bowl better than Smith.

  • kijoh on July 7, 2012, 12:04 GMT

    I think a more appropriate title for this article would be, "The Currently Selected Australian ODI Team Is Not Top-Class." Serioulsy, in which alternate universe are Bailey, Forrest, & Smith the best options for top 6 spots in the Aus odi side?! It is embarrassing enough to be outplayed on the field, but to not even select the best available players is heresy. Regardless of the (lack of) importance of this series, or any 5-match odi series for that matter, international matches are not a trial opportunity for below-par domestic performers (as Forrest & Bailey most assuredly are; Smith gains some leeway via his youth). As for Doherty; he has had some success but there are far superior spinners in Australia, such as Katich. The Argus Review was meant to rescue Australia from the depths of a selectorial nightmare; nothing has changed.

  • Old man on July 7, 2012, 11:54 GMT

    I have to agree. The top order just looks out of their depth. Hard to understand why Australia don't pick some specialist one day top order players.

  • Mervo on July 7, 2012, 11:25 GMT

    Big call. 4 months ago they were the top side and now in their off season, they aren't. Must have that crystal ball out there Jarrod.

  • mitch on July 7, 2012, 10:50 GMT

    so after one dodgy series (so far) Australia is a rubbish team? even though at the moment they're playing against a strong opposition, have one of their best batsmen out and playing overseas in tough conditions. that's a bit harsh. say if Australia lost there next 2 series and one at home, then maybe start bagging them out, but 2 matches away from home against a strong opposition? please.....

  • mitch on July 7, 2012, 10:50 GMT

    so after one dodgy series (so far) Australia is a rubbish team? even though at the moment they're playing against a strong opposition, have one of their best batsmen out and playing overseas in tough conditions. that's a bit harsh. say if Australia lost there next 2 series and one at home, then maybe start bagging them out, but 2 matches away from home against a strong opposition? please.....

  • Riwaj on July 7, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    Kimber, I think you probably meant "Australia no longer a dominant ODI team". They have not really dominated an ODI series for a while now. However, prior to this series, they looked better side than their opponents. England, no doubt, have exposed the weakness of this aussie side. But, the point to be noted is that this is a good English side playing in home conditions. Comparatively, Australia should still be rated as one of the top three ODI side at any given day and hence, that makes them a top-class ODI side.

  • Riwaj on July 7, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    Kimber, I think you probably meant "Australia no longer a dominant ODI team". They have not really dominated an ODI series for a while now. However, prior to this series, they looked better side than their opponents. England, no doubt, have exposed the weakness of this aussie side. But, the point to be noted is that this is a good English side playing in home conditions. Comparatively, Australia should still be rated as one of the top three ODI side at any given day and hence, that makes them a top-class ODI side.

  • adam on July 7, 2012, 10:09 GMT

    It's somewhat of a leap to go from being no longer deserving of the number 1 spot to no longer being a "top class ODI team". What does that even mean? Does it mean not ranked in the top 3? Top 5? Or does it mean just not living up to some arbitrary set of standards from media pundits? Australia has always had weaknesses in their one-day efforts except perhaps at their absolute peak. When has there ever been an Australian team that didn't struggle to score quickly against spin? Big days against Murali were rare and Vettori has had their number for his entire career. Of course this is not the same team as any of the previous world cup winners but I just don't understand this kind of self-flagellating beat down on Australian cricket. We still have good cricketers, exciting cricketers and this is a very good English bowling attack playing in England in typical English conditions. What else is expected and what is the point in whining about it? It reeks of over-compensating self-pity.

  • Ali Mohammad on July 7, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    Australia has only one genuine all rounder in the shape of Shane Watson. They must use Steve Smith as batting all rounder.

  • andrew schulz on July 7, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    A few questions arise from this pseudo-hard-hitting article. What sub-continental walls have England run through? What about the fact that many more knowledgable than you have written off Australia at 50-over level, and ended up with egg on their faces? And how can you possibly believe that you have the credibility to make such judgements? You have about as much credibility as the fox sports anchor who tonight told us that England were heading for their ninth straight win against Australia in ODI's. Such is the ignorance of many who are passing judgement on this Australian side.

  • Rolski on July 7, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    Was winning the champions trophy really the proudest day for most Australians??

  • Zahid hossain on July 7, 2012, 9:22 GMT

    Today match win team i hope england....

  • ShAh00 on July 7, 2012, 9:18 GMT

    England 2-0 up, One Match washed out... still 2 to go, dont lose hope. I have been a great admirer of Australian Cricket and the way they carry the game. Being a Pakistani, I am still having faith in this Aussie team and you have lost hope already. Yeah it is correct that this Aussie team is the weakest which we have seen in last 20 years or so, but give them a chance. One Should not also forget the fact that this English team is the best, they have produced over the last 25 years ;).

  • Tahir khan on July 7, 2012, 9:10 GMT

    Doesn't matter what critics say about the depth of English team's batting and bowling this team will never achieve the heights achieved the west indies of the 80s and the Aussies of the 90s and 2000s, this team have not done well abroad at all except the last Ashes, they have great players but somehow seem to be lions at home only. I remember the comments by sir Ian Botham after beating India 4 0 how was boasting this English team will stay no 1 for long time coz of having players who are still very young then we saw 5 0 white wash india in Odis and we saw what happened in the emirates and Sri Lanka, even world cup they list to Bangladesh, don't how to rate this English team, my be no 1 at home and no 10 overseas.

  • Rick Javic on July 7, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    Interesting to think that Australia currently have no number 3, considering it was only a few months ago that they unceremoniously dumped Ricky Ponting who is probably the best number 3 ODI batsman ever. Maybe the best ODI batsman ever, period. You would think that to make such a move they would have to have someone ready to replace him but evidently they have no idea. Disgraceful really, what a way to treat a champion - Dump him for a poor run of form and then replace him with a bunch of no-hopers!

  • zatoo77 on July 7, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    How does one blame the last game on the batsman. We bowled so bad that England could of chased down 300. I hope that Paterson is better than Johnson it really is our only chance.

  • Abu Bakr on July 7, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    australia r on top of d ranking just bcoz of their previous record....they r not even a shadow of themselves now

  • tess tickles on July 7, 2012, 8:44 GMT

    to jarrod. before condemning the current aus odi side its worth remebering that the last time we won the ashes 5-0 with the likes of mcgrath,warne,hayden,gilchrist and co. we also smashed them in the odi's that year....up until the finals when they won the series.also remember that m hussey didn't tour this trip which obviously changes the look of the australian batting line up.yes we're not the side we were, but odi's are fickle and we're still no.1 for a reason

  • Anonymous on July 7, 2012, 8:33 GMT

    There are a lot of people keen to write off Australia as hopeless at the moment. That's certainly not the case but there's no doubt that they are not the team of yesteryear. This current team is not the team that got Australia to #1 and they may well be the team that see them lose it. This is not a bad team but they're certainly not great and probably not the best team around at the moment. There's definitely potential for improvement though, but that could be said of various other teams too.

  • Mulch on July 7, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    They are an odd looking side at present, but they are not bad just being shown up by a more talented and confident team. There isn't much they can do about that. Almost all the players that have been tried, players like Marsh, White, Voges are not that brilliant either. I mean all three of them are going to be faster scoring than Forrest, we've seen that already but in terms of this series, not sure they'd make much difference.

    Besides it was SOOOO funny watching Bailey and Watson try to rotate the strike. What a pair of clunches they looked.

  • Clyde on July 7, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    It is amazing to think you have written that something I cannot remember the name of is 'the most important prize in cricket'. But, if you were right, it would not be amazing that Australia were not very good. For who wants to be good at a not very good game? The short versions of the game are blurred and confused by colours and the discombobulation of the rules of hitting a ball with a stick and not letting the bowler hit the three sticks and not letting the batsman get the ball to the circle of uncounted sticks. Provided we don't see the colour of the boots creeping up the trousers, and we get better analysis than you have provided in your intro, Test cricket is a much more likely game.

  • Widuruwan Premathilaka (Sri Lanka) on July 7, 2012, 7:39 GMT

    Shaun Marsh is the best current option for Australia at the moment. Despite his poor form in international arena, he got what it takes to be a good No 3 in all forms of the game. So I think Australia should reconsider about Marsh n have a go with him.

  • pulkit10 on July 7, 2012, 7:29 GMT

    " It was the day when Australia proudly sported their white jackets as the victors of the most important prize in cricket, the Champion’s Trophy." Quite a bold claim, really. You are probably the first person I have encountered that thinks this highly of the highly marginalized event!

    As for Australia, well, yeah, it was long in the making. They still have a decent test unit mainly because they actually have some experience in batting and a pretty decent bowling unit (let's exclude Nathan Lyon here) whereas in ODIs they rely heavily on a few experienced batsmen and a bowling unit that severely lacks control, Lee isn't what he used to be, Johnson is hopeless and Doherety can't perform the job he is being asked to.

    The new talent just hasn't been coming through for ODIs. You have good hitters coming in for T20 and old players still in the test cicuit but ODIs are lacking. England faced a similar problem but showed immense resourcefulness, I expect Australia to do the same.

  • Kelly Powell on July 7, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    Not sadly for us non Australians though. This is what the majority of the 1990's were like for us English. Enjoy!

  • HH on July 7, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    Way too much extrapolation based on 2 games. How did this "no longer a top class team" recently beat SL and SA away from home? That's the problem with myopia. You can only see two inches in front of your face. It's amazing how fast people forget. Including England's recent disastrous away series and embarrassing world cup a mere year ago. All is perfect as soon as you win two games at home.

  • heath on July 7, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    The interesting thing is that our one day specialists are being shown up against englands test players. But most sides don't play the worlds best test attack in one dayers. Hard to see what england are doing catching on around the world, i thought one day cricket had evolved into a speciallist game very different from tests by the mid-90s.

  • surath on July 7, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    Love to see aussies struggling. Not only with England, but with all other teams including bangladesh & zimbabwe...

  • danoz on July 7, 2012, 6:25 GMT

    ausralia at the moment are short sighted,with test thier is no world cup so people can retire at any time with no fall out(d,hussey,m,hussey,ponting,haddin,lee all in thier mid to late 30's) but might have another 2 years left in test cricket,but will be around 40 years old for the next world cup.

    if australia want to win the next world cup they need a under 30 policy picking players who are 30 years old and will be 33 in 2015 world cup.

    picking these older players are robbing younger australians of experience(like brett lee playing in this current series has robbed a young player(like siddle,starc,pattison) of 5 matches of experience

    if this goes on for next 2 years it could rob younger players of 50 so matches of experience.

    in the 1987 world cup win australia had a lot of youth including steve waugh who took 20 test to score his 1st test century.

    give the youngsters 20 odd matches to prove themselves.

    it might hurt for a little,we are losing as it is,give youngsters a go

  • Mike on July 7, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    Take M. Hussey out of the line-up and the batting looks like the proverbial house of cards. Eoin Morgan played a similar hand at Lords.

  • Leonard Mushangwe on July 7, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Am a big Aussie fan and I would like to agree with you.The earlier we get a replacement for Punter,the better.

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  • Leonard Mushangwe on July 7, 2012, 6:09 GMT

    Am a big Aussie fan and I would like to agree with you.The earlier we get a replacement for Punter,the better.

  • Mike on July 7, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    Take M. Hussey out of the line-up and the batting looks like the proverbial house of cards. Eoin Morgan played a similar hand at Lords.

  • danoz on July 7, 2012, 6:25 GMT

    ausralia at the moment are short sighted,with test thier is no world cup so people can retire at any time with no fall out(d,hussey,m,hussey,ponting,haddin,lee all in thier mid to late 30's) but might have another 2 years left in test cricket,but will be around 40 years old for the next world cup.

    if australia want to win the next world cup they need a under 30 policy picking players who are 30 years old and will be 33 in 2015 world cup.

    picking these older players are robbing younger australians of experience(like brett lee playing in this current series has robbed a young player(like siddle,starc,pattison) of 5 matches of experience

    if this goes on for next 2 years it could rob younger players of 50 so matches of experience.

    in the 1987 world cup win australia had a lot of youth including steve waugh who took 20 test to score his 1st test century.

    give the youngsters 20 odd matches to prove themselves.

    it might hurt for a little,we are losing as it is,give youngsters a go

  • surath on July 7, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    Love to see aussies struggling. Not only with England, but with all other teams including bangladesh & zimbabwe...

  • heath on July 7, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    The interesting thing is that our one day specialists are being shown up against englands test players. But most sides don't play the worlds best test attack in one dayers. Hard to see what england are doing catching on around the world, i thought one day cricket had evolved into a speciallist game very different from tests by the mid-90s.

  • HH on July 7, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    Way too much extrapolation based on 2 games. How did this "no longer a top class team" recently beat SL and SA away from home? That's the problem with myopia. You can only see two inches in front of your face. It's amazing how fast people forget. Including England's recent disastrous away series and embarrassing world cup a mere year ago. All is perfect as soon as you win two games at home.

  • Kelly Powell on July 7, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    Not sadly for us non Australians though. This is what the majority of the 1990's were like for us English. Enjoy!

  • pulkit10 on July 7, 2012, 7:29 GMT

    " It was the day when Australia proudly sported their white jackets as the victors of the most important prize in cricket, the Champion’s Trophy." Quite a bold claim, really. You are probably the first person I have encountered that thinks this highly of the highly marginalized event!

    As for Australia, well, yeah, it was long in the making. They still have a decent test unit mainly because they actually have some experience in batting and a pretty decent bowling unit (let's exclude Nathan Lyon here) whereas in ODIs they rely heavily on a few experienced batsmen and a bowling unit that severely lacks control, Lee isn't what he used to be, Johnson is hopeless and Doherety can't perform the job he is being asked to.

    The new talent just hasn't been coming through for ODIs. You have good hitters coming in for T20 and old players still in the test cicuit but ODIs are lacking. England faced a similar problem but showed immense resourcefulness, I expect Australia to do the same.

  • Widuruwan Premathilaka (Sri Lanka) on July 7, 2012, 7:39 GMT

    Shaun Marsh is the best current option for Australia at the moment. Despite his poor form in international arena, he got what it takes to be a good No 3 in all forms of the game. So I think Australia should reconsider about Marsh n have a go with him.

  • Clyde on July 7, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    It is amazing to think you have written that something I cannot remember the name of is 'the most important prize in cricket'. But, if you were right, it would not be amazing that Australia were not very good. For who wants to be good at a not very good game? The short versions of the game are blurred and confused by colours and the discombobulation of the rules of hitting a ball with a stick and not letting the bowler hit the three sticks and not letting the batsman get the ball to the circle of uncounted sticks. Provided we don't see the colour of the boots creeping up the trousers, and we get better analysis than you have provided in your intro, Test cricket is a much more likely game.