Champions League T20 2012

Pollard, Bravo and Narine to play for T&T - Sports minister

ESPNcricinfo staff

July 26, 2012

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Sunil Narine was outstanding again, finishing with 2 for 14, Kolkata Knight Riders v Chennai Super Kings, IPL, Kolkata, May 14, 2012
Who will Sunil Narine play for in the Champions League? © AFP

The Trinidad & Tobago sports minister has said that allrounders Kieron Pollard and Dwayne Bravo, and spinner Sunil Narine, will play for T&T in the Champions League T20 this October instead of their respective IPL teams, in contrast to previous seasons. However, their team affiliation at the tournament is likely to be debated further before being confirmed, with the franchises expected to fight for the three players.

Pollard was part of Mumbai Indians' winning squad in 2011, while Bravo played for Chennai Super Kings. Both franchises have qualified for the CLT20 again this year. Narine played for T&T last year, but has also made it through with Kolkata Knight Riders in his maiden IPL season, in which he was named player of the tournament.

According to Trinidad Express, Anil Roberts, the minister of sport, said an agreement had been reached with the three players to turn out for their national team and not their IPL franchise. CLT20 rules allow players to pick the team they wish to play for and in the past players had chosen their IPL franchises, which then compensated the players' home teams.

However, the Knight Riders team director, Joy Bhattacharjya said on Twitter that the franchise's chief executive, Venky Mysore, had indicated Narine would play for his IPL franchise.

Roberts said the players were close to signing a Memorandum of Understanding and following that the details of the individual contracts would be worked out. "All three players have said they want to play for Trinidad & Tobago. The government of Trinidad & Tobago have said they will match their fees, so that they will not lose anything.

"We want the best team. Some of the Indian teams, the owners are obviously a bit upset because they would love to have Sunil Narine, Pollard and Bravo but I told them quite upfront that we are being professional, that we are not holding anything in secret. We are not going to wait until the last minute and then steal the players from under them."

Roberts also said he had spoken to the franchises to explain the government's position. "I also explained to them, because some of them are quite upset ... I said, 'please for a moment, just picture Mahendra Singh Dhoni or Sachin Tendulkar or [Suresh] Raina deciding or contemplating to play for a club ahead of India. I don't think that would even be a choice. I don't think they would even be able to set foot in their land of their birth if ever they even consider disappointing their countrymen and their country by playing for club for money'.

"So while they may be upset, I tell them I am very sorry they are upset, but the [T&T] population wants our best players, the government wants our best players. The players want to play for Trinidad & Tobago and they will play for Trinidad & Tobago."

T&T topped their qualifying group in part thanks to the performances of Narine and fellow spinner Samuel Badree, but narrowly failed to qualify for the semi-finals. T&T will play the qualifying tournament again this year.

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Posted by JG2704 on (July 29, 2012, 8:09 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster on (July 28 2012, 22:55 PM GMT) Not having a go at IPL here. Just stating to a poster who slates the CLT20 that it has more interest to fans from other countries

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (July 28, 2012, 22:55 GMT)

@JG2704 " I , personally find it very interesting to see how teams from different nations do against each other and unlike IPL it has added interest from more fans of different countries": The IPL is for Indians. As an England supporter you are not obligated to watch it. Do Indians care about your county games ? No ! It's the same thing. The IPL was fantastic this year and I loved every game of it. Most of India enjoyed it. It doesn't matter if fans from other countries don't enjoy it. The IPL is a proud Indian product and as Indians we love it. We also want team India to do well in all formats. It's like saying, I enjoy a nice, loud pub party but also appreciate homely, formal get together with family and relatives. You need to taste every dimension of cricket in a similar manner.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 28, 2012, 19:59 GMT)

@Jose Puliampatta on (July 28 2012, 13:17 PM GMT) I , personally find it very interesting to see how teams from different nations do against each other and unlike IPL it has added interest from more fans of different countries

Posted by   on (July 28, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

What is "Champions League" being played for? ODI World cup (and T-20 World cup) is something I understand; competition to find out who among the cricket playing countries is the true World Champion at that moment. Here, 3 'clubs' from one county, 2 each from a couple of more, one each from a few others. and one representing one of the countries among the various ones among the West Indies! What is it? I don't understand. Why ICC is providing a window for it; let alone recognition! Scrap it, for God' s sake!

Posted by JG2704 on (July 28, 2012, 7:06 GMT)

@ bigdhonifan on (July 26 2012, 18:39 PM GMT) - What a strange post there. Ronaldo never played for Porto and last played for a Portuguese club side 9 years ago. Also unlike cricket footballers only play for 1 club side at a time. And yes we all know how amazing IPL is and how helpful it has been in making the national team the success it is today

Posted by balajik1968 on (July 27, 2012, 23:15 GMT)

I always found this strange. The CL has a situation where the Indian teams are all clubs and the other teams are all state or county teams, or in the case of West Indies, countries. So somewhere this club/country thing does not gel, country would come into play if it was Australia, West Indies etc. Where does the question of representing your country come in when this is not an international competition, it is just the domestic teams of various cricketing nations playing each other.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 27, 2012, 19:29 GMT)

@ satish619chandar on (July 27 2012, 03:46 AM GMT) Agreed - I wasn't (still am not sure) how the contract works for CLT20. Obviously if they have signed a contract for their IPL teams to play CLT20 then that's that. I wonder if there would even be a chance that the same players could sign similar deals for different countries T20 reps?

Posted by JG2704 on (July 27, 2012, 19:29 GMT)

@ rsgarcia on (July 26 2012, 13:27 PM GMT) Some probably think IPL made Warne , Murali , Gilchrist and Gibbs the players they are

Posted by   on (July 27, 2012, 15:15 GMT)

I'd any day love to watch a full strength T&T play than the IPL teams. These guys are the band of brothers who play with their heart out and exhibit so much energy and passion. Hope these 3 guys play for T&T and add spice to the competition.

Posted by anver777 on (July 27, 2012, 9:28 GMT)

Hats off to those 3 players & sports minister !!!!!! certainly its an eye opener for any player who thinks franchise is everything & bigger than their motherland..... WI player's attitude has started changing a bit & definitely WI cricket is heading towards the right direction now...... Good Luck !!!!

Posted by noplay on (July 27, 2012, 8:50 GMT)

All who comment here, you have much to learn about T&T politics. When all is said and done I hope the three players are paid. T&T cricket may have invested in the players, but there is no doubt that Bravo and Pollard have benefited more from technical staff at IPL than anything WICB can offer them in terms of skills and player ethics so they are not one-season players. For the one who said Trinidad would have won all tournaments except the first. T&T did not even win the regional tournament in 2010, Guyana did. I hope for Anil Roberts' sake that T&T gets past the qualifying stage and if they do Pollard could wag his tongue at his Mumbail colleagues.

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (July 27, 2012, 8:40 GMT)

IPL is supposed to be to nurture Indian talent, but it is for all to see what it does...steal talent from other countries to win games. And this is coming from an Indian. It's a shame that such a rich league cannot produce goods whereas cash-strapped teams like T&T are able to produce talent that leaves IPL franchises salivating!! Does BCCI ever wonder as to why their IPL teams need 4 foreigners to compete in champions league while teams from other countries (e.g Warriors, NSW) can compete with almost 0 foreigners? If it was an ideal world, champions league would have equal no. of teams participating from all countries and more importantly with a rule that says players 'have to' play for their home side. No choice should ever be given.

Posted by riverlime on (July 27, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

desi_picasso, kapil_choudhary, lakhvinder punjabi, mirchy, rahul_78, Tanvi Chitnis, Sachinkhairnar5983, YS_USA. These are the 8 people out of 117 so far to have a problem with T&T's decision to have their HOMEGROWN stars play for the team that nurtured them to greatness. Everyone else has supported a small island in its choice to showcase its own talent. Remember, TnT is a third world Caribbean country with a population of 1 million. Surely Indian cities with 20 million people can find better players to replace these few, this "band of brothers".

Posted by 9ST9 on (July 27, 2012, 5:53 GMT)

good trend set by T&T - now lets hope the other countries will have similar backbone to insist that their players play for home teams.

Posted by   on (July 27, 2012, 5:52 GMT)

Yes... These players should play for their respective domestic teams. IPL teams can choose from their remaining overseas players pool. Good stand taken by T & T.

Posted by   on (July 27, 2012, 5:25 GMT)

A brilliant decision. Well done, minister.

Posted by arun_nva on (July 27, 2012, 5:10 GMT)

@Alexk400 from when on Gayle started playing for T&T ?? as far as i remember he is from Jamaica, which is another country in carribean.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (July 27, 2012, 3:51 GMT)

@ Alexk400 T&T can't pick Gayle. Gayle is Jamaican.

Gayle, Russel and Samuels are not eligible to play for T&T ..

Bravo, Narine, Pollard and Kooper and the T&T players with IPL contracts.

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 27, 2012, 3:50 GMT)

@funkyandy : IPL is not here to provide new talents.. They do try some new players.. Players like Yusuf Pathan, Umesh Yadav, Ashwin were already playing domestic cricket.. But weren't noticed that much by the fans around.. Plus, the competition they face in IPL and pressure is huge than the domestic games.. IPL though for T20 is something more than the normal domestic cricket we play.. Just think about the chances some of players like Arun Karthik, Menaria, Varun Aaron, Abu Nechim, Bhatkal etc to play with big guns.. It provides platform only.. It is upto the players to use it and evolve themselves as better ones..

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 27, 2012, 3:46 GMT)

@siddharth_r2001 : Warner did play for DD before itself.. Can you please check again.. @JG2704 : But a contract is a contract.. It was never hidden from the players.. Just like KP not allowed to play T20 because he wanted to quit ODI..

Posted by Vnott on (July 27, 2012, 3:24 GMT)

Bravos absence will not hurt CSK too much. However Narine will be missed by KKR and Pollard- maybe. But if the same mode is adopted by other countries then the IPL teams will die a soft death...

Posted by No_Chance_pal on (July 27, 2012, 3:20 GMT)

@bigdhonifan Why are you comparing Football and cricket. In football no player can play for many clubs at same time.. Only in cricket same set of playesr will play in india and then play in Australia and then again in england. When it comes to Champions league(which is half baked copy from football) they will choose whoever pays more money.. Cristiano Ronaldo can't play one month for real madrid and another month for porto and third month for Manchester united. If he is sold means sold.

@bigdhonifan REgarding Champions league teams- u compared with football again. in football champions league 32 teams will enter in main draw so top 3 countries with high UEFA coefficient will have option to field 4 teams(even in that case 4 th team have to play qualification round. And the coefficient is based on the performance not based on the money. Second regarding the Liverpool scenario- Why are you going too far to 2005 see what happened in 2012

Posted by darren235b on (July 27, 2012, 3:04 GMT)

Anil Roberts and the people of Trinidad & Tobago are completely right to insist that their IPL trio return to play for them (T&T) at the CLT20 in SA. Admittedly, the IPl did bring increased recognition to the players (especially that of Sunil Narine) and rewarded them handsomely with huge financial contracts. However, they were bought and brought into these teams because they were ALREADY world-class players. Their skill wasn't developed in India or in the IPL, but back in Trinidad & Tobago and the Caribbean ... through school cricket, cricket academies and national/regional tournaments. Trinidad & Tobago is a national team, so let them play for the nation where their skill and talent was harnessed.

Posted by   on (July 27, 2012, 1:27 GMT)

As a Trinidadian, we are happy for the support for our team to do well in the CLT20! However, last year, the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board failed to secure the services of Pollard an Bravo, which allowed India and the world the opportunity to see Nariine and Kevon Cooper. Having all our players back for the CLT20 will be cool, but with the current qualification system, and the nature of T20, nothing is guaranteed.

Posted by siddharth_r2001 on (July 27, 2012, 0:13 GMT)

@satish619chandar (July 26 2012, 12:17 PM GMT): Warner was not playing for DD in 2009. He was picked by DD in the 2010 auction. So there's no question of DD having 'released' him to play for NSW in the 2009 CL. @YS_USA (July 26 2012, 17:47 PM GMT): For every player that doesn't play for his home team, the IPL franchise would have to pay $200,000 to their home team. So if all 3 play for their IPL franchises, then KKR, MI and CSK will each have to pay $200,000 to T&T, which would mean T&T would receive a total of $600,000, not $1.5 million.

Posted by Alexk400 on (July 27, 2012, 0:06 GMT)

if all indian players in IPL for championship league will make IPL team deflated. For me IPL team winning makes Champions league will fetch more money. Its business first concept not merit based. They need to play for IPL team that said T&T should allowed to have one player of their choice from IPL team and other choice goes to players. Players will choose IPL team because thats one gona give him money. But T&T also should not lose all 3 players. I even thing they should be allowed to pick 2 max. They will definitely gona pick Gayle and Narine.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (July 26, 2012, 23:08 GMT)

It would be much better for INDIA and INDIANS if they just played domestic Indian players no overseas for the CLT20, playing competitive cricket without having to rely on on overseas superstars is a vital for experience ! CLT20 needs to become a domestic club world cup with both finalists from every nation taking part this way you'd create much bigger interest and audience worldwide as the clubs wouldn't just be playing for themselves they'd be representing their nations.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 21:54 GMT)

Alekx400 is T&T a club ?. The players should represent their home

Posted by fr600 on (July 26, 2012, 21:51 GMT)

IPL teams are nothing without foreign players. We'll see the outcome seeing CSK play. It'd be fun to watch how the domestic players perform.

Posted by wiseshah on (July 26, 2012, 21:29 GMT)

indian domestic players are so poor, all IPl win came from foreign recruit. even after not playing all matches--they are top scorer and top wkt taker

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 21:07 GMT)

As A CSK SuperFan I would love to see Bravo up in our Yellow! But I totally understand the point of view of the T&T officials, and I know that the players should play for their home team, rather than be swayed by the glitz and glamour of the IPL. Whatever decision is made, it should be for the betterment of cricket, and the inclusion of key players like Narine, Bravo and Pollard could make the T&T team a heavy side. I wholeheartedly support this!

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 20:34 GMT)


Posted by cric_info_man on (July 26, 2012, 20:23 GMT)

when will icc have the balls to take control of matters, champions league was the idea of the bcci and partners but surely icc can learn they can take over and make more by introducing something in lines of uefa

Posted by CRIC89 on (July 26, 2012, 18:59 GMT)

Thumbs up Mr.Roberts for your attitude. The players should be aware, how they began their careers and performed to pick up by an Indian Franchise. They(players) want to understand money is not everything.

Posted by bigdhonifan on (July 26, 2012, 18:39 GMT)

Yes.... All you guys say OD Cristiano Ronaldo play for PORTO if Real Madrid plays in Champipns League... All are jealous of IPL... IPL is greater than BBL+SLPL+BPL+ ABCDEFG etc

Posted by bigdhonifan on (July 26, 2012, 18:21 GMT)

An exception to the usual European qualification system happened in 2005, after Liverpool won the Champions League the year before, but did not finish in a Champions League qualification place in the Premier League that season. UEFA gave special dispensation for Liverpool to enter the Champions League, giving England five qualifiers... That happened here.. So Mumbai Indians will play....

Posted by Alexk400 on (July 26, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

Sports minister gets a million dollar , he will shut up. Money speaks everywhere. That is only currency. Also this is club level tournament not country.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 26, 2012, 17:54 GMT)

It's surely up to the players who they want to play for and it would be great if they played for T&T . However the one thing which concerns me is if it affects their IPL contracts . Still I doubt the IPL franchises would cut off their noses to spite their face. Personally I found it a bit sad that quality players like Van Der Merwe and Alf Thomas hardly got a game in IPL last year. I don't think Morgan played once.

Posted by YS_USA on (July 26, 2012, 17:47 GMT)

If I remember IPL and CLT20 rules correctly, IPL teams have to pay $1.5 million dollars to T&T if 3 T&T players choose to play for IPL and not for T&T. T&T needs $1.5 million dollars badly to support its cricket infrastructure and players and IPL teams can afford to pay. Even if T&T decides to give up $1.5 million, its chances of winning the title are slim and they are better off keeping $1.5 million than try to win the title.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 17:41 GMT)

if i am not mistaken (dumb) Roberts cannot do what he is doing is the trinidad cricket board that has to do that and each ipl player in on a one year or two year contract not a six or seven wk you think ipl does tell the players to just come and play no it not so all ipl contract clause stated they must make them self available for all club games for the period stated .

Posted by MrPontingToYou on (July 26, 2012, 17:17 GMT)

well said anil. i have always admired the tt cricket team, they play good, hard, competitive cricket, and everyone contributes in some way. they deserve their best team, ipl will deal with it.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 17:01 GMT)

I am a hardcore CSK fan. But I want Bravo to represent his home club and not CSK. That way there will be healthy competition. NSW beat CSK with their domestic players at MAC. That should be the quality of a domestic league team unlike IPL teams.

Posted by PanGlupek on (July 26, 2012, 16:06 GMT)

@Dashgar, it would be nice if it was that simple, and I really hope that's what happens, but to be honest, there is a bit more to it than that. Even though in theory they can choose who they play for, it could damage the relationships they have with thier franchises if they put T&T over thier IPL team (I've already heard rumours that franchises are threatening to not bid for T&T players if these guys end up not playing for thier IPL team - I hope that isn't true). @rsgarcia, very well put! I feel a bit sorry for the players who have to get caught up in this though. Also, as I said earlier, it's not like the IPL franchises don't have plenty of superstars in thier ranks anyway.

Posted by QingdaoXI on (July 26, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

Its fine that all 3 Bravo, Pollard and Narine will play for T&T in this CLT-20, but if they are forced to play by Mr.Roberts than this players will take care from next year of there team whether to win the Carribean tournament or not. I say this, i they are forced they can go to this extent in future not to face this problem in future. After all this championship is for club and in this case player should have a wish to play for certain club or not. For Mumbai if there in No Pollard, it will be well, because of him another promising allrounder T.Perera was not getting chances in the team. For Kolkatta, narine would have not that much useful in south africa and Chennai they have Styris as the allrounder in reserve, and recent exploits of Styris in county will definately earn him place or Faf can come in and have a go in South African conditons.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 15:50 GMT)

why are every one blaming bcci and ipl....we all know the finals decision is in the hands of the players.......

Posted by nehalpanch on (July 26, 2012, 15:49 GMT)

Every nation wants to see their players playing for their country rather than any rich cricket club... this is really great work done by Mr Roberts. Much better than out corrupt ones. and i am definitely sure that those players will play for their nation !!

Posted by nandwani88 on (July 26, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

Well said rsgarcia! Couldn't have said it better myself. And it is about time, Mr. Anil Roberts. You should have done this a long time ago. T&T would have won every single CLT20 till now (barring the first). Well, better late than never at least.

Posted by multipack on (July 26, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

nice to see the usual haters taking shots at india and the ipl. of course the players should play for their country over their ipl team. west indians in the ipl are in this unique positon of club v country and i don't think any indian fan would begrudge their loyalty to their nation. if this annoys some of the billionaire ipl owners, all the better.

Posted by RK204 on (July 26, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

i am with the t&t's decision...chudi vharot

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 15:15 GMT)

as a trini, i am very familiar with sports minister Roberts continuously making statements without having all the information..the players concerned have refused to comment but the minister is claiming that they have decided to play for T&T.. i hope he does not place our star/ipl players in an awkward position..

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

That will be unfair as Trinidad will squash every team then :P

Posted by bvnathan on (July 26, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

Please step back and review how the European Soccer League functions. The teams playing in the various European Soccer Leagues have players (recruited and paid) from various nations to ply their trade for the club they represent. The players represent their clubs for tournaments like UEFA which is played at the club level. Similarly CLT20 is a tournament organized to match the best T20 club teams across the CRICKET playing nations. Unfortunately for WI CRICKET, their local league is played by representing the countries that form WI CIRICKET. The players ply their trade among UK County Clubs, BBL, IPL or BPL as the case may be based on the schedule. Let the players decide who they want to represent in CLT20 matches and hope the franchises and the country they belong value and accept their decision. Guys, treat this as 'PROFESSIONAL' decision by the players and don't bring in Club/Country mix-up.

Posted by 777aditya on (July 26, 2012, 14:37 GMT)

what tug of war?! of course, playing for country definitely comes before playing club cricket. To be fair, IPL is where the money is, but for any player his country is where his heart is!

Posted by K.H.Dushmantha on (July 26, 2012, 14:32 GMT)

No matter what, first selection to be National team , club for any players. If National team only agree any other circumtance, player can be selected either IPL , SLPL , BBL, BPL as 2nd choice.

Posted by Raki99 on (July 26, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

Scrap the Champions League T20, there are enought 20/20 leagues in the world.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

com' need to get jealous....IPL teams have enough firepower to replace these players... the whole world is jealous of the IPL because it is the biggest platform for any player (apart from representing their country) and they cant do a thing about it...accept it...It is here to stay...the other leagues looks like a joke infront of it...

Posted by androyuvi on (July 26, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

i just cant understand what this big fuss is all about. its a player's decision to play for which team as CLT20 is one another club tournament. whoever pays more,and wherever the player feels comfortable, the player can choose to go there. cric fans, just chill and wait for the players to let their words out! :)

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (July 26, 2012, 14:05 GMT)

COOMONSENSE fFINALLY the CLT20 has huge potential if all players represent their home nations club first , there is already 4 IPL sides which is ridiculous W.I should have atleast both finalists but even with just 1 and they still want to take away the stars that made the CLT20 so exciting the first time round !

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

I am an Indian. I fully support Anil Robert's views. I also laud his very open professional approach and candid talk. Indian cricket administrators and Franchise owners, who are often secretive and manipulative can earn a lot from this very proud Trinidadian. I salute you Mr Roberts.

Posted by cricfan17 on (July 26, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

I really hope Bravo, Pollard, and Narine play for T&T. Not only is it a way to show pride for where those boys come from, but it is also a necessary statement of assertion in the face of the bullying of the BCCI and the IPL.

Posted by serious-am-i on (July 26, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

I am Indian but I honestly appreciate the decision for T&T minister. But hold on this issue isn't going to rest as soon or as easily as he thinks, we are going to have 1 ugly mess before the things settle out. May god bless the players.

Posted by rsgarcia on (July 26, 2012, 13:27 GMT)

How quickly we forget. @Kapil_Choudhary and @Lakhvinder Punjabi, our players are not famous because of the IPL. The dream run at the 2009 Champions League made us famous, and it was based on the performances displayed there that Pollard, Bravo and Co. were auctioned for the next IPL and even the Australian Big Bash. We did what we did on our own and we deserve our inclusion. Our stars made it playing for our country first, when no one knew who they were. Now others want to poach off us and weaken us, as they managed last season. It's beyond ridiculous that you think this is fair. We are the Caribbean champs, country or not, and our entire region has less people than Mumbai. Why are you so afraid to let us play our own players? Don't you have enough of your own to choose from? Why is it wrong for us to request that we keep the people we've developed? At this rate, you'll think Sachin should play for the highest bidder too. Cricinfo, please publish.

Posted by billy_bilal on (July 26, 2012, 13:09 GMT)

T&T invested heavily on these player's development and made them what they r now. They don't need to be apologetic to IPL sides as they should have first right on these players They should not even have to match the fee from IPL franchises for services of these players as these players owe it to their country and people who put in infrastructure in place to help them develop their skills and become superstars. All other first class teams should follow the example of T&T and protect their talent for the sake of their fans.

Posted by anoopshameed on (July 26, 2012, 13:04 GMT)

While completely agreeing with the general sentiment that country should take precedence over club, the irony is that most of the people commenting is settled outside their native countries and does nothing to serve the nation!-except of course preach!

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 13:02 GMT)

wonder if malinga plays for his slpl team over Mi in CLT

Posted by jaycee71 on (July 26, 2012, 13:00 GMT)

Kapil_Choudhary, your argument is that only clubs should be allowed on CLT20, not countries, in that case no WI teams will be in the tournament because they are all countries, in my opinion, players should be allowed to play for whichever team they qualify for, be that their home team or their IPL franchise, if IPL gets first choice all the time, then maybe they should just buy all the players and call it IPLCLT20 with all the Indian teams.

Posted by Dr3sco on (July 26, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

That is Excellent News....Great job minister. They treat T&T like trash by making us Qualify even if we have proven ourselves several times...thats rubbish!! They are trying to Sabotage T&T by taking our best players and sending us to qualify from scratch. Does the IPL have any consideration for Caribbean Fans? We want to see a professional team representing T&T. .

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 26, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

It is not that IPL teams block others from playing for them. IPL teams have to pay a amount to the home nation(Who also qualify for the CLT20) and then only acquire the player to play for them.. In first CLT20, DD released Warner to play for NSW as they had openers in Gambhir and Sehwag and didn't require Warner and saved money.. It did hurt them as Warner played very well but still, it was a team decision.. IPL teams have enough backup for a couple of players out.. None can guarantee the magnitude of performance but they can get a same quality team on paper.. It is the responsibility of the individual boards now to hold their players and not fall for money..

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

well done ............ thats how to react for IPL teams

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

No way dude! That is so unfair! Narine, Pollard and Bravo should play for their IPL teams because dude, in the end, those are the teams which are going to go ahead in the contest.

Posted by Dashgar on (July 26, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

This is hardly an issue. The players get paid the same either way. They should choose the team they want to play for. Obviously they'll choose their home. Anyone would. Good luck to them.

Posted by funkyandy on (July 26, 2012, 11:55 GMT)

None of the 9 IPL teams have helped produce a single, good cricketer who has gone on to play for India (Kohli was already U-19 captain and touted for great things before IPL). So instead of picking on a small nation with more talent than yourselves, try producing some good cricketers who could represent you. But no, the IPL is all about short-term gain and no long-term planning. And its not a club vs country thing - T&T invested time and money in these players when they were young, developing them into the good players we see now.

Posted by noplay on (July 26, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

I am from Trinidad and Tobago. IPL is a club tournament, not international. These three players must be torn by the decisions they have to make. We have heard nothing from the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board, nor the players, but the government through this "bragging minister" has said the players "want to play for Trinidad and Tobago", but the government will match the fees they would have received from the IPL franchises. If government has to match the fees then it would seem that "wanting to play for T&T" has conditions attached to it. I would have preferred that decisons were made without government (rad political) intervention, that the players were indeed free to choose between their IPL team or their WICB territorial team, which is no different from Somerset or Cape Cobras.

Posted by real26_03 on (July 26, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

Really happy hearing the news... T&T has always been my favourite in Champions League (I am not a West Indian).. Like others I am also sad to see that T&T needs to qualify twice to play in the league..

Posted by ravikini on (July 26, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

I don't think their absense will affect IPL teams. In terms of crowd gathering, yes , may be, but since the tournament is held in SA, absolutely no harm to the IPL franchises.

Posted by Sackz on (July 26, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

I agree. These players should play for their home clubs before IPL.

Posted by Baundele on (July 26, 2012, 11:26 GMT)

Give me Gayle and take these 3. Can any IPL franchise get Gayle in the CLT20?

Posted by eyballfallenout on (July 26, 2012, 11:22 GMT)

it would be great if they do play for there country, west indian cricket would really benefit from having these guys in the team to promote the game to the younger people. Also i believe in giving back and that you should be there for the country that gave you the start. they can still make plenty of cash in other games.

Posted by Muhtasim13 on (July 26, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

Letting go of Pollard, Bravo and Narine wouldn't be too difficult for any of the IPL teams. They can be replaced by other talented players. MI has Dwayne Smith. CSK can use Bollinger & Faf du Plessis. KKR can use de Lange in Narine's place since the tournament is in SouthAfrica this year. So it won't be a total loss for the IPL sides

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

where is standard in CL20...i dont think it is made up on any standard those teams who won tournaments in countries respectively are in qualifying round and teams on 3 coming directly ......simply killing should be first....if cricket was not in tnt how this players could be international gud if they play for own country's team .......for it should not be matter about money

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 11:16 GMT)

Country before self looks like an old saying now in the cricketing arena. But this looks a bit different on T&T's case. I think it is important to classify if T&T is a country or a club as far as CL is concerned. Fair enough T&T is a separate country as far as West Indies are concerned. But for the rest of the world in an cricketing eye WI is a country and T&T is a club. I am sure if this question is answered in a manner that satisfies both T&T and rest of the CL teams, this issue will be resolved amicably. If all agree that both are clubs then individual players' choice may prevail.

Posted by Samar_Singh on (July 26, 2012, 11:12 GMT)

Good one ..Country should always come first and the rule should be amended accordingly ...

Posted by paawanchamps on (July 26, 2012, 11:09 GMT)

writely said by mr roberts all player should play with their ntaive team. money should not be ahead of your country. T&T is a amzing team wid great fighting spiirit. last year they were fantastic without polly and bravo if dey will play dey will bchamps.

Posted by Windies2Dheart on (July 26, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

So India has over 2 times the population of the rest of the cricketing and cant find replacement for 3 guys.... what a laugh (lol x5). A lot of indians wouldnt understand but West indies is not made up of districts/regions/counties etc. We are 15 small nations (some with population under 200, 000). It'll be heartbreaking if these 3 guys sign for their big name clubs only to watch (or even contribute) to their country get knocked out of the competition. In the words of Dinesh Ramdin- talk nah, IPL.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:55 GMT)

The ICC should take more interest in domestic cricket, if it wants to avoid confrontations between different cricketing nations. For starters it should pass a law stating that a player can represent only one team at a time. Even though this might prompt the better players to sign up for teams with bigger pockets, but this is the only way out.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:54 GMT)

Right Decision, they keep producing talents like Bravo, Narine, Pollard to be stolen by these IPL teams for huge bucks, what difference does 1 or 2 players make to a franchise?????, something should be done to stop 4 ipl teams playing in Champions League...... (Yes i am from India)

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:51 GMT)

always choose COUNTRY over IPL...

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 26, 2012, 10:46 GMT)

@Posted by FBUSER on (July 26 2012, 10:31 AM GMT) : Ok.. You think T20 kills cricket.. let it be your opinion.. But why ban IPL and CLT20 alone? Why not BBl, BPL, FT20 and the upcoming SLPL and leagues in proposal for other nations? Ban T20 is fine.. but ban IPL is utterly one sided comment..

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 26, 2012, 10:43 GMT)

@woodhaven24 : IPL teams have enough backup.. KKR benched Shakib for Narine for most games.. Now without Narine, they can grant Shakib that place prrmanently and play Lee and another fast bowler.. After all, the CLT20 is going to be played in SA.. Pollard was not the primary matchwinner for Mumbai this season.. Bravo was really good but still, CSK has Kulasekara and Bollinger to replace him.. IPL teams will surely miss the TT guys but it wouldn't be void..

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 26, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

@Rahul_78: Malinga has never been the best test bowler for tests.. In fact, if you see his test stats, he just played 30 tests over a period of time.. His present fitness level wouldn't allow him to last through a full game itself.. If a home board can maintain control over player, no way he is going to join IPL..Are the Indian players going after money in BBL, BPL or any other league? NO!!

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:31 GMT)

The ICC should regulate some restrictions on IPL as well as on Champions League T20. Both tournaments killing the real beauties of the sport which are ODIs & Tests. T20 is only the smashing of the ball on every of the ground. These kind of tournaments will produce the class players Ricky Ponting, Viv Richards, Saeed Anwar, Etc. If we see the past two years especially, International Cricket lose some of best batsmen and bowlers, only because of one reason, "The Lust Of Money".

Posted by cskfangg on (July 26, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

I dont know why Mr.Robert brings in 'country' in this, IPL or CLT20 were created as like UEFA or other club level sports.Professionals will always love to Play for their country.Whenever they are playing in a club level sport they have their freedom to choose the team which pays according to their talent. Please dont bring country vs club debate in this.Please dont threaten them like "I don't think they would even be able to set foot in their land of their birth if ever they even consider disappointing their countrymen and their country by playing for club for money'".foolish statement.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

Good Decision Roberts. Country should come first!!

Posted by mngc on (July 26, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

This does not seem to be the end of it. A T&T newspaper ran an article yesterday which claimed that the franchises threatened to discontinue the use of players from T&T in future IPL matches.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

Good to know that other governments outside the subcontinest are serious about cricket

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:14 GMT)

@Rohit Bhargava,

It is disgusting to see on every drop of the hat to accuse BCCI. BBCI is the driver of this CL20, they have clear frame work to follow. Players have choice to select. Let us appreciate efforts of BCCI to host such entertaining sporting event like IPL and in future CL20. And sustaining such a event year after year is a challenge. So we need a powerful organisation like BCCI to handle this.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 10:09 GMT)

Good decision by Mr.Roberts.Country must come over club in any situation.Even in a friendly,we would not be comfortable watching Sachin Tendulkar play against India.I hope the IPL teams respect the sentiments of T&T and back other players in the squad to compete in the tournament.

Posted by Rahul_78 on (July 26, 2012, 10:05 GMT)

THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SL board tried to play hard ball and lost their best bowler in tests and costed them entire season of their own T20 league. I just pity the cricketers. When they will end up playing for their franchise's in Champions league with or without their own will they will be the ultimate fall guys.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 9:58 GMT)


Posted by mar2000 on (July 26, 2012, 9:35 GMT)

FINALLY these players have seen the light.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 9:24 GMT)

thats a good news for tt cricket...

Posted by joseyesu on (July 26, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

It is a big loss for Kolkata, whereas for MI, it is an opportunity not to depend on pollard always and for CSK, it is a little damage to their 8 batsman and 7 bowlers.

Posted by venkatesh018 on (July 26, 2012, 9:12 GMT)

If this happens and in future every players chooses to represent his own region's T20 team than their IPL franchises in CL T20, it gives a genuine chance for the Champions League tournament to succeed in getting some viewership in India. The BCCI should be happy if this happens.

Posted by FM97 on (July 26, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

EXCELLENT decision from Anil Roberts. How we all would love to see Trindad & Tobago playing some fantastic cricket in CL. I appreciate this sports minister ,specially for the fact that this move has is acted as a slap on the face of the team owned by a billionaire,ie: Mumbai Indians. I was terribly shocked when BCCI granted this fourth-ranked IPL team direct entry into CL and now justice is done !! While It shouldn't be much of a problem for KKR as even though they've lost Narine, they still have some excellent players other than him. But team that will be least bothered by this should be Chennai Superkings !! Remember... they won CLT20 title 2 years ago in South Africa and majority of the contributions came from their local and national players. Plus ,their pace attack has become deadlier, Bollinger,Hilfenhaus and Kulasekara will rock on those bouncy pitches !!

Posted by K.A.K on (July 26, 2012, 8:57 GMT)

Let's bend the rules. Narine can ball for both the teams :) Pollard to bat for both the teams and Bravo to do the same. We do it all the time in galli cricket.

Posted by PanGlupek on (July 26, 2012, 8:43 GMT)

I really hope this happens & that T&T don't get bullied into backing down. The IPL franchises have enough big name stars & overseas players to replace these guys anyway. T&T have been quality to watch in recent years & it would be a real shame if they don't qualify because they are unable to put out thier strongest team.

Posted by sneeky55 on (July 26, 2012, 8:42 GMT)

@ timohyj: thats a very interesting point, never thought of it that way before. now that you mention it, it definitely indicates the thinking of Pollard, Narine, co. they want to represent their nation in sport, which is the ultimate honor.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 8:42 GMT)

I sooooo hope they play for T&T! Even as an Indian, I am sick and tired of BCCI bullying the rest of the cricketing world.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 8:40 GMT)

@ Lakhvinder Calm down , it's BCCI itself which has given a player the option of choosing between his national team and county team. Players can do whatever they wish to.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 8:37 GMT)

@ woodhaven24: CSK had won CL 20 that was played on Fast and Bouncy pitches of SA and FYI, M. Vijay and Ashwin were the highest run getter and wicket-taker resp.. in that tournament. Badrinath and Srikkanth Jr. had played crucial roles for CSK. If there's an option of playing foreign players Why not use it ? It attracts more n more fans of other countries and spices up the tournament. But yeah it would be a big blow for respective IPL teams if these 3 WI players play for T n T. DD is a strong contender for this tourney considering their superb fast bowling attack and equally well batting and fielding.

Posted by mirchy on (July 26, 2012, 8:34 GMT)

To me it would seem the T&T govt. puts pride before practicality. The IPL franchises target the CLT20 and pay a heavy purse to those who will help to achieve those goals. I can't perceive any player discarding its franchise in the CLT20 and still expecting to return to its original franchise the next year. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Posted by o-bomb on (July 26, 2012, 8:25 GMT)

The sports minister is right. They should play for T&T rather than their IPL sides. T&T is the side they play for regularly in their home league and they would never have got IPL contract without playing for T&T. Also it would make the competition a little fairer and give it more credibility.

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (July 26, 2012, 8:16 GMT)

It is a good move... I hope in the end players will play for T&T...

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 8:16 GMT)

Height of foolishness....Mr. robert must no this three players are now famous just because of IPL and not for T&T i no that players should represent for there country first, but what about IPL franchises there team is made up of players from different team. and in no sense they can leave a player...and that too when that all three players are performing well. and Champions League T20 is a tournament made by BCCI and they sould take serious action against this issue.. no other team or country should dictate terms for Champions League T20.. or ban T&T from participating in the tournament

Posted by shantiratnamaj on (July 26, 2012, 8:08 GMT)

It makes 100% sense and I think the whole purpose of CL T20 is to see champions play against each other - so I am sure you dont want to win the tournament by buying players of competing teams - these 3 stars must certianly play for their state otehrwise no point having T & T in the CL T 20 tournament.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 8:06 GMT)

Being an Indian fan, I would like these 3 WI players to play for their national team that would make the competition healthy as IPL teams already have other big players but believe me these IPL franchises are World's highly ranked businessmen, they won't let these players go so easily, and it would be actually surprising if we get to see these 3 in their national team. Also, I'm really DISAPPOINTED with BCCI's decision of letting MI play in main tournament of CL directly instead of qualifiers. This step has reduced my interest in CL, though I will keep supporting my team DD. But MI's inclusion in main tournament happened coz it has BIG names like Malinga, Sachin, Pollard, Gibbs, Smith, Bhajji ... they are all crowd-pullers and BCCI knows how to make money ! More Indian teams , More viewership, More publicity, More Money ! CL 20 is more about making Money than playing Cricket. Vaise, I'm happy with inclusion of Pak's team. This will spice up the competition.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 8:03 GMT)

well... time will decide who will have the last laugh

Posted by Kapil_Choudhary on (July 26, 2012, 8:03 GMT)

T&T govt is opening a HUGE can of worms by opening the debate of "choosing the country over a club franchise" in the only cricket tournament in the world which is supposed to be a global competition between CLUBS and domestic teams, NOT COUNTRIES. There isn't any uproar in Delhi when Kohli chooses to play for Bangalore and Gambhir for Kolkata - but there will be an uproar if they refuse to play for India. While I completely understand the Trinidadian sentiment, if T&T is going to use national pride to make its argument then may be T&T should not be allowed to compete at all as they are a COUNTRY, not a CLUB. The reason T&T are allowed to compete in the first place is the unique situation in cricket where the West Indies, which is NOT a country, competes against other COUNTRIES. The argument of players choosing their home teams or clubs as opposed to foreign clubs is perfectly valid and is the one that can and should have been made here - not an argument about national pride.

Posted by desi_picasso on (July 26, 2012, 7:56 GMT)

Pollard,Bravo and Narine like many other players were made stars and brought into limelight through IPL. They should keep their loyalty with IPL. If IPL wasn't there this players like others e.g Chris Gayle may have been long gone. Don't worry this IPL I see pakistani players coming back which will push some of this stars to back benches exactly they did it past to Aussies.

Posted by woodhaven on (July 26, 2012, 7:54 GMT)

They should play for t and t. Period. Ipl is too greedy, they are too dependent on foreign players, can ipl team win without foreign players?

Posted by timohyj on (July 26, 2012, 7:44 GMT)

the CL will actually have a lot more meaning for WI teams than for others as the WI teams are actually getting their only chance to representing their country whereas when they play for WI they are not playing for their actual country. All the other people will be playing for their clubs but T&T players will be playing for their country

Posted by ziggy500 on (July 26, 2012, 7:41 GMT)

great move by t&t, sorting out the highly debatable eligibility issues with clt20

Posted by gtzshotta on (July 26, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

Exactly, players should most definitely play for their domestic teams. Kudos to T&T superiors for speaking up!

Posted by VSinha29 on (July 26, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

It will be great if this happens. A strong T&T team will be very good for the tournament and will bring the much needed excitement to their brand of cricket. Though being a kkr fan I know it will be tough for them without narine but I will choose the development of cricket over kkr any day.

Posted by yocasi on (July 26, 2012, 7:39 GMT)

There's nothing like playing for one's country, especially when said country is a mere dot on the world map. Would be great if the IPL teams would relent and let Narine et al represent T&T. India's population is more than 100 times that of Trinidad & Tobago so it would be rather selfish of the IPL teams to weaken a small nation.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

Finally...some sense into the minds of T& T and the players. Country matter what!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Alexk400 on (July 26, 2012, 7:35 GMT)

Without Narine , Night riders would not have won. So champions league will be void Without the full IPL teams.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2012, 7:33 GMT)

Good for you Mr Roberts! This is the way to make the IPL teams realise that T&T need to go straight through to the main draw and not have to qualify. It's ridiculous that a tournament is called "Champions League" when Champions have to qualify twice and those that came 3rd in one tournament go straight through to the main draw!!! (and no I'm not from WI, and yes, I do agree that the same should apply to the UEFA Champions League)

Posted by Raiyan24r on (July 26, 2012, 7:33 GMT)

the players should play for T&T.

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 26, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

Good one.. They should do this..Last time, they had direct entry and they could afford losing Pollard and Bravo but Narine too this time will hurt their balance.. More than that, the talents they nurtured and gave it to others will hurt them itself.. Hold your players and win the tournament.. As simple as that.. Loyalty should always be where it should be..

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