Mumbai Indians v Perth Scorchers, CLT20, Delhi October 1, 2013

Langer hopes for a Hollies on Tendulkar

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Perth Scorchers coach Justin Langer hopes one of his spinners will do an Eric Hollies on Sachin Tendulkar when they play Mumbai Indians in the last Group A fixture on Wednesday. Hollies, a legspinner from England, is best remembered as the man who bowled Don Bradman for a duck in his final Test innings, leaving him four runs short of an average of 100 in Tests.

"I hope we have a Hollies in our team tomorrow when we bowl to Sachin. Hollies - wasn't that the name?" Langer told journalists on the eve of their last match. "Well, I love watching Sachin bat and wish he never gets out. But tomorrow, I wouldn't like him to score too many runs. Even at this age of 40, he batted in the nets for two hours the other day. That was incredible."

"I would like my boys to take up the challenge of playing against superstars. This is an inexperienced side and they will learn a lot from this trip. Look at Otago Volts. They have come here three times and now it's showing results."

Tendulkar is now 26 runs short of completing 50,000 runs in first-class, List A and Twenty20 matches.

Langer also spoke of Harbhajan Singh, another international player for Mumbai who they would have to be wary of.

"They have to face a trouble-maker like Harbhajan," he said. "Well, please don't make a controversy when I term Harbhajan as a trouble-maker. I mean he is a guy who would always like to have a competition or two with us over the years."

Scorchers lie at the bottom of the points table in their group without a win against their name. While their first match was washed out, they lost their other two matches, against Otago Volts and Rajasthan Royals. They were the first to crash out of the Champions League from their group and were soon followed by the Lions. Langer stated that even though it was no excuse, the absence of several players, due to injury and some of them opting for IPL franchises, could have affected their performances.

"We didn't have the Marsh brothers - Shaun and Mitch - due to injury," he said. "We didn't have Pat Cummins, while Nathan Coultier-Nile and Mitchell Johnson decided to play for Mumbai Indians. So we had a side that was very thin on experience. But that's no excuse.

"The first match was washed out and we played poorly in the next two matches. If we hadn't dropped a couple of crucial catches, the matches could have swung in our favour. We packed our sides with four spinners and then found out that Jaipur track had a lot of pace and bounce. We didn't have Cummins and that became a factor,"

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  • on October 1, 2013, 20:25 GMT

    Best of luck for Mumbai Indians and Sachin.

    Target: If MI bat first, needs to win 49+ runs or if they are chasing then, needs to make 2.45 run rate higher than Scorchers. Suppose Scorchers scored 160, then MI needs to win within 15.2 overs. Hope Mumbai will play 1 more match in CLT20 2013.

    And the other exciting match, one of the favorite T&T... they will not loose more than 6 runs to reach semi..... Nice to watch two exciting matches.

    Best of luck Mumbai and T&T.

  • on October 2, 2013, 12:49 GMT

    Langer's wish has come true!

  • Htc-Android on October 2, 2013, 12:49 GMT

    @Mundrathy. Yes Warne had competition from his other bowlers, but it makes it easier for him when his other bowlers are supporting him. Even if Warne fails, his other bowlers will take wickets. Thats why he had no pressure on him. But Murali had noone to supporting him. If Murali fails the entire Bowling unit will fail. Also Murali did well in Green tracks as well. Here is Murali is record in Overseas(In England-6 matches,48 Wickets, AVG-19.20 In SA-6 matches,35 Wickets, AVG-26.02 In NZ-6 matches,30 Wickets, AVG-19.96 In WI-6 matches,37 Wickets, AVG-23 In Aus-5 matches,12 Wickets, AVG-75.41). So both had even records on Green wickets.

  • on October 2, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    ouch Duck for the little master, courtesy of Langer's curse.

  • BustIPL on October 2, 2013, 10:31 GMT

    I want to see more of neesham who is the face of future and no more of tendulkar. So, best wishes to Otago who need some heart shown by their trans tasman brothers the aussies.

  • BustIPL on October 2, 2013, 10:25 GMT

    MI will win it as all aussie sides are a piece of cake in india.

  • on October 2, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    Sachin the great must retire, it is getting too late

  • blaster.pk on October 2, 2013, 9:27 GMT

    For God sake MI has to loose ...

    There is only one differenece between other batsman and sachin .

    To sachin majority of people are asking why is he not retiring. To Other great batsman : peopled asked why did he retire.

  • on October 2, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    mi should bat .hoping someone from top order to score century

  • on October 2, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    By stupidly batting first in the first match where the ball was expected to move around AND worse, playing 2 spinners, MI have dug themselves into a hole, blaming the Ahd washout makes no sense - the way they have played, MI could have lost - then what ? At least 2 of their top 4 have delivered close to NIL in the tournament so far.

    Only options for them to reach the semi's -

    Replace flops till now in this tournament, Smith, Ojha & DK with Blizzard, Patel & Tare

    I know Patel is a gamble, but MI have nothing to lose.

    Bowling options still would be - Johnson, Coultier Nile, Bhajji, Rishi Dhawan, Pollard, Akshar Patel

    Batting first, , target 230 / 240 so the marginally weakened bowling can still win with 50+ margin.

    Batting 2nd, target to be achieved at Perth rate + 2.45.

  • on October 1, 2013, 20:25 GMT

    Best of luck for Mumbai Indians and Sachin.

    Target: If MI bat first, needs to win 49+ runs or if they are chasing then, needs to make 2.45 run rate higher than Scorchers. Suppose Scorchers scored 160, then MI needs to win within 15.2 overs. Hope Mumbai will play 1 more match in CLT20 2013.

    And the other exciting match, one of the favorite T&T... they will not loose more than 6 runs to reach semi..... Nice to watch two exciting matches.

    Best of luck Mumbai and T&T.

  • on October 2, 2013, 12:49 GMT

    Langer's wish has come true!

  • Htc-Android on October 2, 2013, 12:49 GMT

    @Mundrathy. Yes Warne had competition from his other bowlers, but it makes it easier for him when his other bowlers are supporting him. Even if Warne fails, his other bowlers will take wickets. Thats why he had no pressure on him. But Murali had noone to supporting him. If Murali fails the entire Bowling unit will fail. Also Murali did well in Green tracks as well. Here is Murali is record in Overseas(In England-6 matches,48 Wickets, AVG-19.20 In SA-6 matches,35 Wickets, AVG-26.02 In NZ-6 matches,30 Wickets, AVG-19.96 In WI-6 matches,37 Wickets, AVG-23 In Aus-5 matches,12 Wickets, AVG-75.41). So both had even records on Green wickets.

  • on October 2, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    ouch Duck for the little master, courtesy of Langer's curse.

  • BustIPL on October 2, 2013, 10:31 GMT

    I want to see more of neesham who is the face of future and no more of tendulkar. So, best wishes to Otago who need some heart shown by their trans tasman brothers the aussies.

  • BustIPL on October 2, 2013, 10:25 GMT

    MI will win it as all aussie sides are a piece of cake in india.

  • on October 2, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    Sachin the great must retire, it is getting too late

  • blaster.pk on October 2, 2013, 9:27 GMT

    For God sake MI has to loose ...

    There is only one differenece between other batsman and sachin .

    To sachin majority of people are asking why is he not retiring. To Other great batsman : peopled asked why did he retire.

  • on October 2, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    mi should bat .hoping someone from top order to score century

  • on October 2, 2013, 8:52 GMT

    By stupidly batting first in the first match where the ball was expected to move around AND worse, playing 2 spinners, MI have dug themselves into a hole, blaming the Ahd washout makes no sense - the way they have played, MI could have lost - then what ? At least 2 of their top 4 have delivered close to NIL in the tournament so far.

    Only options for them to reach the semi's -

    Replace flops till now in this tournament, Smith, Ojha & DK with Blizzard, Patel & Tare

    I know Patel is a gamble, but MI have nothing to lose.

    Bowling options still would be - Johnson, Coultier Nile, Bhajji, Rishi Dhawan, Pollard, Akshar Patel

    Batting first, , target 230 / 240 so the marginally weakened bowling can still win with 50+ margin.

    Batting 2nd, target to be achieved at Perth rate + 2.45.

  • on October 2, 2013, 8:49 GMT

    this time i remembring our paksitan team lahore badshah that team was awesome am a big fan a perth scorcheres this team is great but in this tournamemt some player was missing therefore this team cannot played well

  • on October 2, 2013, 8:41 GMT

    todays game mumbai will win sachin wil play beautifully.

  • biju25676 on October 2, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    As per the above equation I recommed MI to bat first and post around 165 - 170 runs and restrict Sorchers below 120. Pls. consider the Delihi status & records(become slow track in the later stages).

    Best of luck MI

  • TukTukVsBoomBoom on October 2, 2013, 7:32 GMT

    i am pakistani team fan it is my personal observation sorry for those two teams mumbai Indians And T&T they must will be eliminated in the Champion League t20 i am 100% sure

  • D-Ascendant on October 2, 2013, 7:21 GMT

    Tendulkar's blazing bat will leave Langer scorched! Today the Little Master will hit a T20 double hundred! ROFL!

  • Mundrathy on October 2, 2013, 7:17 GMT

    @ODI_BestFormOfCricket, I am not a fan of Warne or hater of Murali, but do you think Zim, Ban or any weak contries' batsmen withstand Mcgrath, Gillespie, and Lee so that Warne will have many wickets to take. Same applies "Vs Eng debate", At the time of Murali and Warne, Eng Batsmen were equally weak against Fast bowling as they were with spin bowling, Jas wanna say that stats dont say it all.

  • on October 2, 2013, 7:14 GMT

    CSK_ku_periya_whistle_adinga & Htc-Android, I too admire Murali, who performed decently against even India, unlike Warne. But, overall, Warne was such a nightmare for SA, Eng or even Pakistan. Even when his batters disappointed, he'd come good. If Mcgrath supported him, he accounted for so many too. Warne had to be contended with the rest. I purposely took Murali's example, as he stats-wise is the most unapproachable, apart from Kallis, as against Dradman's miraculous career.

  • ODI_BestFormOfCricket on October 2, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    Murali took 176 wic in 25 tests against zim and bang at approx 7 wicket per match, warne took 17 in 3 matches at approx 6 wic per match. Simple logic, what stats show is, warne's inability to take wickets against even MINNOWS is exposed. Even if he had played 25 matches he ends up with 150 wicket. So logic of warne might have picked more wickets had he played more matches against zim and bang are flawed Murali is superior.

    Murali in his six matches against eng picked 48 wickets, yes 48 wickets, 8 wic per match also at 19.4 average. on other hand warne In 22 matches picked 129 wickets at approx 6 wic per match. Had murali played 20 matches against he easily ends up in atleast 150 wic, if not 160. Once again murali is superior. And against india murali is superior And list goes on. Thanks espncricinfo for you great stats.

  • Mundrathy on October 2, 2013, 6:41 GMT

    @Htc-Android, how about thinking this way, since Warne has Lee, Mcrath, Gillespie, he has a tough competition to get wickets, and most of the time played on wickets which are unresponsive to the spin, and whenever he gets wickets conductive to spin, he has better batsman on the opposite side who handle spin well. Let me know your thoughts on this.

  • IndianEagle on October 2, 2013, 6:21 GMT

    @kress_tee: murali in his carrier bowled more for single innings than warne who had bigscore backing him and has two innings to bowl. And also warne bowl more to england which is below quality than zim at that time

  • mjrvasu on October 2, 2013, 6:19 GMT

    MI's previously scheduled match, if the authorities had stuck to Ahmedabad, would have been washed out. This was of course conveniently shifted; but nobody cared about later games being washed out, and with it the chances of Sunrisers. Any explanations for these actions, other than favours are being dished out to MI?

  • Deran on October 2, 2013, 6:13 GMT

    I just hope, Mumbai will lose, and Otago would go through. They've been very consistent from the playoffs, done all the hard work to get here. In current form, they will pose a bigger threat to CSK than MI if they come for the semis.

  • VVSR92 on October 2, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    Mi should take advantage of perth scorchers depleted squad missing thomas,cummins,coulte-nile,m.marsh,s.marsh,gibbs & set out to win grand enough to qualify from the group.Though this could be last T20 game of sachin's career I would prefer pollard/tare to open with smith & go wild since there is no point in MI just winning if they do not qualify.

  • cricpanther on October 2, 2013, 5:16 GMT

    Tendulkar did not loose anything if he batted aggressively from first ball, like Virendra Sehwag!! When he batted defensively cost him got out, so not to worry and thinking too much just play the game when he was used to play in his very early stage of career and set the fresh example to all the youngsters specially his son Arjun!

  • Htc-Android on October 2, 2013, 4:54 GMT

    @Kris Tee. Murali is actually a better bowler than Warne. Mainly because, 1. Warne had the likes of Lee, Mcrath, Gillespie to support him with the ball. But on the other hand Murali had to do everything by himself. He single handedly won many matches for his country. 2. Warne played more matches than Murali(Warne-145 tests, Murali-133 tests). 3.Another fact is Warne had 11 match winning players in his team. So he had no pressure on him. But the SL team was fully dependent on Murali. 4. Warne took half of his wickets against ENG,NZ and SA.These are teams who are weak against spin(428 out of 708 came against these teams). On the other hand Murali took good number of wickets against all cricketing nations.Even against India he took 105 wickets with an average of 32.61 Thanx to cricinfo for publishing my comment.

  • on October 2, 2013, 4:10 GMT

    As for comparisons, what sets Bradman apart is nobody ever looked coming close enough. All the other records appear academic compared to his. For example, Murali's stats-wise superiority does not necessarily suggest he is a better bowler than Warne.

  • JoshFromJamRock on October 2, 2013, 4:04 GMT

    At this point Langer should be hoping Sachin bats the entire innings so he'll make a 60-ball 70 or so. The most they'll have to chase is 150 which isn't to bad against this MI attack. Personally for all he's done, he'll go down as the 2nd best batsman (after the Don) stats-wise mainly because of his early start, longevity, hard work and consistency ....As much as I respect achievements, cricket is a sport and sports are supposed to be entertaining therefore players like Sir Viv and Lara will always be my favorites. Their priority was to win matches while entertaining the fans and yet still they have legendary stats and still have many long standing records in their more dominant format of the game. But thats another discussion. Since most are doing it here's my verdict on Sachin: 2nd best ODI player after Viv and top 10 best Test player after The Don, a few dead guys, Sobers, Lara, and Viv. Overall he's probably the 7th best batsman to grace the game. Just my opinion anyway.

  • cnksnk on October 2, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    Based on Sachin's current form , perth need not search for a Hollies. Any one of their players can turn their arm over and hope to take his wicket... But separately it would be great if perth wins today. Will give confidence to the Australian team, besides giving Otago a shot in the semis... MI is an over hyped team and Otago is certainly playing better cricket

  • on October 2, 2013, 3:13 GMT

    Sachin should not play, at least as opener, as he can not score fast enough in that position. Karthik should shed his gloves to Rayudu. Smith and Rohit should open and go bang bang from the ball one. Maxwell is a must in the tight situation MI are.

  • Siva_Bala75 on October 2, 2013, 2:43 GMT

    Clearly MI should chase. Psychologically chasing in 14.x overs is easier than winning by 48 runs margin

  • on October 2, 2013, 2:13 GMT

    50 run margin or chasing the target within 15 Over is really gonna be difficult in T20s thats too in Delhi's low bouncy Kotla surface..Really if MI match have not been washed out in ahmedabad, situation should have been different and clear. That shows how abondened matches can effect the tournament. IF otago's match against Perth has been washed out.. Otago's Net run rate goes to negative, & M.I have very simple equation..Any I hope M.I will rock today..Best of Luck for the Our great Master-blaster Sachin Tendulkar..

  • simba110 on October 2, 2013, 2:07 GMT

    Surely Otago are unbeaten in this tournament. They haven't lost and the tie in the super over ended up as a win to them, so where has the loss come from?

  • IndianEagle on October 2, 2013, 1:00 GMT

    so, impossible for mumbai to get into semis, happy to see ottago than mumbai in semis. Mumbai won ipl flukely.

  • TRAM on October 2, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    Decade after decade the sports talents have only improved in EVERY sport. The records in running and high jumps are examples. Even though both are my hero's, Pete Sampras would lose to Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. No question about that. The reason is simply the *techniques* have improved every decade, whether playing technique or strategies or the ways of physical training/conditioning, etc etc. Also mentally also today's players are stronger. Old timers were gentlemanly.

    Look at the fielding levels of today's players and the accuracy of bowlers !!! There is no way fielders would have dived during Don's period. Yorkers were probably unheard of. So Don's percentage success will come down drastically in today's standards. Apart from that, as others said Don essentially played only England. No one is going to even come near SRT's 100 100s. There is only one condition where I think SRT would be inferior - that is, playing when matters. I think SRT is weak (only) in that area.

  • srinideva on October 2, 2013, 0:45 GMT

    @Surendra Hegde, you must be kidding..As a csk fan, i want mumbai win this one and comes to delhi to get hammered by the men in yeloow..Fluke things can happen once in a while..not everyday..CSK is BEST..Will win CL..

  • Nerk on October 2, 2013, 0:06 GMT

    Ah, the old Bradman vs Tendulkar debate. Blah blah blah. They are both legends of the game. But to those unlearned individuals who go "bradman never had to play in turning conditions" I say pah. That's right... pah! An uncovered pitch that got a bit of rain on it spun and spat more than anything the doctors on the subcontinent could conjure up with their dustbowls. England, in the 30s and 40s, had some tremendous spinner too. Bradman had the reflexes and skill to play anywhere in the world and do well.

  • indianpunter on October 1, 2013, 23:21 GMT

    who cares about CL-T20? such a waste of space in the cricket calendar year. and Sachin, please retire from all forms of cricket. U have confirmed your lack of insight to the cricketing world.

  • on October 1, 2013, 23:14 GMT

    Whatever people think, Langer is showing respect to Sachin by comparing him with Don.

  • betubond on October 1, 2013, 22:01 GMT

    problem with MI roles are not define they dont have plan they have to think and implement they never try new strategy for sure there is no place Maxwell in playing 11,karthik has to take responsibility ,,give 7-8 over to pollard use bhajji in poweplay as well they have think some innovative

  • gsingh7 on October 1, 2013, 21:28 GMT

    cannot compare sachin to bradman. sachin when in full flow was unstoppable. i can bet my house that bradman wud have batted as poor as sachin if he played cricket for 25 years like sachin. he cud not muster even 8000 test runs whereas sachin scored twice what bradman scored. 99 average looks good but with playing 90% of cricket against same english team he cud have evalued even their teeth let alone balls that were bowled by english bowlers.who knows if he faced todays raNK TURNERS of uae or mumbai he wud survive or not? sachin for me did more for cricket world than any other cricketer in history.

  • on October 1, 2013, 19:59 GMT

    This is not the last game of suchin.last will be final RR vs MI.Tommorrow MI will win in 15-16 overs and go to semifinal and defeat CSK in semifinal.

  • betubond on October 1, 2013, 19:32 GMT

    sir might be your last game but you were my fav. you are my fav and you will be my fav sir,,because of you many young like me inspire,,,in India cricket is famous because of you,,,thanks a lot for beautiful memories whatever you achieve no one think about it,every trophy you have in your account,,,most runs most 100 most 50 most 4 first 200 first person who make 14K 15K 18K runs in odi,,,no one can even think to match with you love you sir:) whole india love you sir,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • on October 1, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    Here are the scenarios for MI to get into the semis which seems to be highly unlikely.

    If MI bowls first:

    If Perth gets to 120, then MI should win within 13.5 overs If Perth gets to 130, then MI should win within 14 overs If Perth gets to 140, then MI should win within 14.1 overs If Perth gets to 150, then MI should win within 14.1 overs If Perth gets to 160, then MI should win within 14.2 overs If Perth gets to 170, then MI should win within 14.3 overs If Perth gets to 180, then MI should win within 14.4 overs

    If MI bats first:

    If MI gets 120 - 140 then MI should win with more than 49 runs margin If MI gets 150 - 180 then MI should win with more than 48 runs margin

  • on October 1, 2013, 18:53 GMT

    Sachin come on.Need an answer with your bat to the crictics.

  • Nampally on October 1, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    This is a "Do or Die" game for MI. They need to thank the RR for keeping their hopes alive & saving their bacon. But the chance of advancing to the Semi's is right in their hands & they need to grab it with both the hands & make it happen with a big win. Johnson & Coultier- Niles need to give them a good chance to send the Scorchers back. In addition Ojha & Harbhajan will add their own spin to the game. Tendulkar will be hoping to finish off his T20 in grand style with a big score. Rohit, Rayudu, Karthik, Smith & Pollard need to add their power to build a big total so that they can have a better run rate differential when compared to Otago Volts. With all respect to the Scorcher, their side is grossly weakened in losing some of their bowlers to MI. They are likely to finish last in their group but hope to get back better experienced next year.

  • cric_freakNo2 on October 1, 2013, 18:44 GMT

    Its my small attempt to compare people of two different eras(No Offence). Don always played in extreme cricketing environments(not as fancy as today) and taking into consideration the amount of travel time it is certainly the greatest achievement in cricket. what more, a team is even ready to lose all of its resepect from opposition just to get a batsman out, i m talking about "Bodyline"(Not to mention he still averaged 56+) Mean while he didnt play against many teams but all teams he played against are good. Meanwhile Tendulkar played a lot of good cricket and is a cricketer in era where cricket is second largest viewed sport in world and we can watch his batting from anywhere(mind that most part of world didnt see Don's batting).I wil certainly rate him the secon best batsmen in world but after Don only.If u still dont trust me ask Sachin to play against the mighty Australans of his time with no "feild limit behind squareleg" and hold a average of 56+.Plz publish

  • sharidas on October 1, 2013, 18:28 GMT

    Tendulkar should go in at 5 down. not opening !

  • betubond on October 1, 2013, 18:25 GMT

    albart every crickter has bad time i think you forget he made 200 against you,,,boy he is sachin ramesh tendulkar,,,his fan following is more then South africa's population

  • cricpanther on October 1, 2013, 18:11 GMT

    make sure Mumbai Indians should be ready to score 225+ if batting first and all down Scorchers with 49 runs margins or Chase whatever score within 15 overs odd make them chance to play semifinal!! Pollard should up the order, one down is good spot for him, Rayadu should stay out as crunch time he is not performing specially batting and in pressure he makes himself a silly run out or his partner!! Sachin storm should require most, as well Rohit hitting sixes forms also needed. Don't forget to play inn GLENN MAXWELL!! Maxwell is the key for mumbai. I would replace Rayadu and play inn to Maxwell (the hard hitter) Rohit and Smith should open the batting, followed by maxwell and then pollard, sachin, karthik, bhajee.

  • abhiyog on October 1, 2013, 18:07 GMT

    Sachin should be allowed to stay as long as possible for Scorchers to have any chance of winning if Sachin stays for 20 overs it will be hard for scorchers to lose....Otago to go through and bye bye to MI....

  • abhiyog on October 1, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    Sachin should be allowed to stay as long as possible for Scorchers to have any chance of winning if Sachin stays for 20 overs it will be hard for scorchers to lose....Otago to go through and bye bye to MI....

  • Srinivash97 on October 1, 2013, 18:01 GMT

    I constantly pray god that sachin tendulkar, one of the greatest limited over cricketer plays well tomorrow. It probably will be the last innings from the limited overs great. Hope he comes good tomorrow using his tons of experience. May God be with him.

  • sachin_vvsfan on October 1, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    @Albert_cambell Dead wrong . I read an article some other site that Tendulkar was asked(by BCCI members who did not want to be named) to consider his future and he will not get any life line if he fails against WI. The WI series is more or less a farewell for his services to the national team and his 200th test will be mostly played at home Mumbai.

    I am huge fan of Sachin and if i were in his shoes and was offered a farewell series i would reject that and retire gracefully (like how VVS did). I think he retired in ODIS under similar circumstances (despite performing some what better than some of his colleagues in ODIS). Cricinfo please publish

  • on October 1, 2013, 17:31 GMT

    Forget about Hollies, Tendulkar's bat seems to be full of holes these days!!! Sadly he is a walking wicket now.

  • on October 1, 2013, 17:29 GMT

    Interesting to see how many have an opinion on perhaps the 2 greatest batsmen to ever play the game. Some have even gone to the extent of calling Bradman, a batsman with a 99.96 Test Average as "fallible". While others would disregard the 100 100s and countless other achievements that Sachin has. Fact is that ANY batsman would walk into ANY international playing XI if he had half the talent of either Sachin or Don. Haters just hate but they know that they won't be able to achieve ANYTHING close to what these 2 have.

  • zxaar on October 1, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    @ siddhartha87 " but again Bradman's rate of 100 is far better than SRT. That means Bradman is harder to get out when he gets to 1" --------------------- We are not discussing what happens when Bradman or Tendulkar score runs, we are discussing the ducks they score. It is a fact that Bradman has higher percentage of innings in ducks compared to Tendulkar. Which shows that Tendulkar is more likely to get off the mark.

  • on October 1, 2013, 16:51 GMT

    I don't see how superstars of the 2 eras can be compared because of: The weak teams that are available today as opposition - Bangla, Zim, Associates etc. The fat bats vs the little splinters they used in the old days The protective equipment - helmets, padding etc that protect the players from serious or prolonged injury. The non-stop cricket series' that allow the players to play more games in their lifespan The money available today to allow players to relax well and live a relatively stress-free life - no second jobs for this lot. Travel is more relaxed and quick Exercise/fitness is now a huge part of the sport.. It goes on and on... not comparable... Great athletes in each of their times.. no BEST !!

  • siddhartha87 on October 1, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    @Zxaar but again Bradman's rate of 100 is far better than SRT. That means Bradman is harder to get out when he gets to 1.

  • on October 1, 2013, 16:48 GMT

    Try your best Langer, this is India and not Australia. Here there is one master and that is Sachin. Don't ever make fun of the CRICKET GOD...

  • xylo on October 1, 2013, 16:35 GMT

    Sachin occupying the crease would mean him trying to accomplish his milestones. That would mean that MI will end up with a score of 120. Shouldn't Langer be happy if that happens?

  • Ankit_Sharma1 on October 1, 2013, 16:08 GMT

    @Karl: this is not for argument but just a question for you ... during cricket chats a lot of guys come up with the reason you just gave (weak teams, different time, at present scenario Bradman would be like other greats like now) ... so what argument will you raise against Bradman's first class average??? ... i mean other players also do not travel much for first class and also play weak state teams instead of good international teams..for instance indian players can easily play in subcontinent conditions and they are also strong against spin... so why does no one comes close to 100 in average for FC???

  • zxaar on October 1, 2013, 15:51 GMT

    "sachin is not fallible unlike bradman who had chunks in his armor and played only vs England. he was undone by a spinner unlike sachin who scored centuries against every test nation." -------------------------------------- Interesting fact is that Bradman has more number of innings in ducks compared to Tendulkar. It shows that it was easier to get Bradman out on duck compared to Tendulkar.

  • northumbriannomad on October 1, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    Langer's words seem to have been back-translated from an Indian report. "Well, please don't make a controversy when I term Harbhajan as a trouble-maker." That doesn't read like spoken English. Odd. Didn't anyone have the tape?

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    @Karl: I respectfully disagree. From an English perspective, I think the way Bradman maximised the use of his crease and injected maximum power into his drives regardless of the pace of the pitches, would have helped him prosper in any age. If he was playing today, I think his average would be about 70-75. Head and shoulders above the rest. In any case, Bradman played on pitches that were often stickier and less easy than many surfaces today, and also those figures I point out, while a limited sample, nonetheless hint at a remarkable scoring ability against a variety of opposition. Tendulkar I think averages at least 40 against all teams, but Bradman I think would have at least matched that.

  • Albert_cambell on October 1, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    Tendulkar is an easy wicket nowadays and thats BCCI cancelled the SA tour. Because sachin wont make more than 10 runs in the tour. In order to save his career BCCI arranged the series with a low ranked team WI in home flat tracks. Cricinfo publish.

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:31 GMT

    @steve -playing 1 or 2 tests against weak indian and sa team back then counted for nothing.ponting was hailed ad next big thing but on indian rank turners he was akin to phil hughes.in present tines I believe bradman wud be worked out preyty easily. sachin showed staying capabilities and diversity of playing conditions which bradman lacked.

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:22 GMT

    But it may not be his last T20 match...looking at today's match progress, MI chances for Semi are brighter if they win with big margin tomorrow.

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:12 GMT

    Karl Jenaway: Bradman did NOT play only vs England. He averaged 179 against India, 202 against South Africa, and 75 against West Indies.

  • EverybodylovesSachin on October 1, 2013, 14:54 GMT

    More fun if you act first than talk..

  • IndTheBest on October 1, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    Depending on how many runs :) Sachin makes, we can decide who is the better batsman between the two all time best!

  • CricketChat on October 1, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    For once, I do hope Sachin gets some runs (20/30 @100 strike rate which is what he seems most capable of these days anyway) in his final match. He can then retire on high. Should he fail again, we may have to wait much longer for his next big score for send off.

  • on October 1, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    sachin is not fallible unlike bradman who had chunks in his armor and played only vs England. he was undone by a spinner unlike sachin who scored centuries against every test nation.

  • on October 1, 2013, 14:12 GMT

    Hollies on Tendulkar? That can be done. After-all Sachin is also a human* (*Conditions Apply)

  • on October 1, 2013, 14:12 GMT

    Hollies on Tendulkar? That can be done. After-all Sachin is also a human* (*Conditions Apply)

  • on October 1, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    sachin is not fallible unlike bradman who had chunks in his armor and played only vs England. he was undone by a spinner unlike sachin who scored centuries against every test nation.

  • CricketChat on October 1, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    For once, I do hope Sachin gets some runs (20/30 @100 strike rate which is what he seems most capable of these days anyway) in his final match. He can then retire on high. Should he fail again, we may have to wait much longer for his next big score for send off.

  • IndTheBest on October 1, 2013, 14:48 GMT

    Depending on how many runs :) Sachin makes, we can decide who is the better batsman between the two all time best!

  • EverybodylovesSachin on October 1, 2013, 14:54 GMT

    More fun if you act first than talk..

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:12 GMT

    Karl Jenaway: Bradman did NOT play only vs England. He averaged 179 against India, 202 against South Africa, and 75 against West Indies.

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:22 GMT

    But it may not be his last T20 match...looking at today's match progress, MI chances for Semi are brighter if they win with big margin tomorrow.

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:31 GMT

    @steve -playing 1 or 2 tests against weak indian and sa team back then counted for nothing.ponting was hailed ad next big thing but on indian rank turners he was akin to phil hughes.in present tines I believe bradman wud be worked out preyty easily. sachin showed staying capabilities and diversity of playing conditions which bradman lacked.

  • Albert_cambell on October 1, 2013, 15:35 GMT

    Tendulkar is an easy wicket nowadays and thats BCCI cancelled the SA tour. Because sachin wont make more than 10 runs in the tour. In order to save his career BCCI arranged the series with a low ranked team WI in home flat tracks. Cricinfo publish.

  • on October 1, 2013, 15:48 GMT

    @Karl: I respectfully disagree. From an English perspective, I think the way Bradman maximised the use of his crease and injected maximum power into his drives regardless of the pace of the pitches, would have helped him prosper in any age. If he was playing today, I think his average would be about 70-75. Head and shoulders above the rest. In any case, Bradman played on pitches that were often stickier and less easy than many surfaces today, and also those figures I point out, while a limited sample, nonetheless hint at a remarkable scoring ability against a variety of opposition. Tendulkar I think averages at least 40 against all teams, but Bradman I think would have at least matched that.