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Ireland want 'meritocracy' in world cricket

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June 28, 2011

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Partying Irish fans at the team hotel at the team hotel, England v Ireland, World Cup 2011, Bangalore, March 2, 2011
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Cricket Ireland chief executive Warren Deutrom has welcomed the about-turn on contentious plans to bar the Associate nations from the 2015 World Cup, but urged the ICC to give developing cricketing countries such as Ireland a fair chance to join cricket's elite.

"The one thing that we shouted out more loudly than anything else is 'meritocracy' - not 'we want to be given this as a right', but 'we want the opportunity to be better'," Deutrom told AFP.

Ireland have made a strong case for higher honours in recent years, having beaten Pakistan during their first World Cup appearance in 2007 and scored a remarkable win over England in India earlier this year. Though their inclusion in 2015 continues to give them something to aim for, there remains no official route or timetable for them to be awarded Test status.

"All we've asked for from the very start is simply a road map to where we go next because what we've done, and what we've achieved, is everything that has been asked of us," added Deutrom.

"We've got a business and we are prepared to develop that business but the only way we can move that business on is to get that additional support, to be able to afford more ODIs and the opportunity to play those ODIs," he said. "And then a pathway perhaps to Test cricket. That has to be the holy grail for us."

Amid a myriad of tweaks and amendments made at the meeting of the ICC's Executive Board in Hong Kong, the format and composition of the next two World Cups and World Twenty20s and the implementation of the Decision Review System have attracted plenty of attention, but there remains another high-profile issue to be decided upon: whether or not to scrap the ICC's two-year rotational presidency.

Deutrom said he was in favour of doing away with automatic rotation, a policy which was put under review after Australia and New Zealand's nominee for the position, ex-Australian prime minister John Howard, was rejected by other countries last year.

"The principle is quite simply that it's the best person for the job," he said. "And the best person for the job might already reside within Pakistan or Bangladesh, but the idea is that as long as the best person for the job is found, we should support that."

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Posted by dinith_sw on (June 30, 2011, 11:39 GMT)

Well you're missing the point again. Ireland is an associate nation, that is why the financial and all other backgrounds exist for you as it is. No one is expecting Ireland to perform any better than the way they are doing right now. They are performing as a successful associate nation should. Which is the delight. For them to ascend in the cricketing hierarchy they need to be in position of what other full member nations are in possession of, which is not money. But all other assets that full member nations have. Think back, reflect whether Ireland and England or any other full member nation are in the same position when it comes to cricket. If that day arises I believe Ireland will become a strong cricketing nation like all other white cricketing nations have become. Afghanistan has one key asset that Ireland or the Irish are still to have.A four year a wait is the hidden blessing that Ireland needs. The hunger for cricket needs to arise. The fire is still too small.

Posted by   on (June 29, 2011, 20:16 GMT)

@Dinith, '' Ireland have proudly carried the associates' standard for two World Cups in succession. They're not asking for free lunches, just for a fair chance. '' Dileep Premachandran,

Ireland at the moment is doing great things with the little money they receive, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure these figures are near enough 100% correct, the full member teams got around 8-10 million for their World Cup efforts and Ireland received 50,000 - now how is a associate nation meant to be compete regularly when we can't get more funding from the ICC,

as the quote says, we're not looking for a free lunch, just a fair chance...

Posted by dinith_sw on (June 29, 2011, 18:05 GMT)

Poor administration arises when they only think of themselves (Ireland) apparently this chap is doing that.You can see the trouble the ICC is having because of the BCCI, its a good enough example to depict what I mean. Ireland just lost to Pakistan in their home series. How can you contest that Ireland is better than Pakistan? This chap needs to organize a few tours with member nations instead of running about doing nonsense and becoming nothing more than a puppet in the hands of bigger players. Learn to respect, the English and the Pakistanis have done so much more to cricket than Ireland can even hardly fathom. It is rightful they are given their dues and this might hurt you as you're an avid fan of Irish cricket, but Ireland are an associate cricketing nation. They are referred to that because of a reason. Let's talk about things that need to happen in the future when their due time comes. The time at the moment says, Ireland-Associate nation.

Posted by khurramsch on (June 29, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

yes give small teams chance in bigger events. icc dont even give them more full member matches in Ftp .ireland will play less than 10 matches next year with full member so how u expect them to learn.cricket should be international game not 10-12 countries. last time bangladesh got status 12 years ago after that no team yet.

Posted by Jonah58 on (June 29, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

@dinith_sw I take it you are just wumming? Ireland aren't good enough? Please tell that to England and Pakistan. JFYI Only a poor administrator would NOT be vieing for a chance to participate in a world cup in any sport. @Trotter yes buddy Ireland do have strength in depth coming through the stats for U13 U15 and U19 for all the major European associates and affiliates can be found at http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/index.shtml and you will see all these teams are winning along with the womens team as well.

Posted by Commenter123 on (June 29, 2011, 15:56 GMT)

@ Hosni Adnan : What are you talking about ? India is not going to stop Ireland or any other country to become successful. The more country cricket is played, more money India is going to make. You got your logic wrong, and the whole world knows how "good" BD is in test, so there is no point in rushing countries to test status.

Posted by dinith_sw on (June 29, 2011, 15:43 GMT)

Oh well, that's great to know that he has some credentials behind him, then he certainly wouldn't need any cricketing history lessons. If not he better get some. Moving on. If he is a good administrator he wouldn't be vying for either a rotation policy nor would he vie for participation in the next world cup. To play at the highest level you just need to good be enough. Ireland isn't good enough. There's no point in arguing over that. There will be 4 more ICC events when they will be included and considering the fact that a Pakistan team recently toured Ireland recently is more than enough exposure for them. The tide has changed for them undoubtedly. Its best they use these opportunities.

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (June 29, 2011, 15:28 GMT)

@Hosni Adnan , @smithie Funny how you guyz always bring up INDIA in to everything. Why did you guyz not acknowledge that it is Sharad pawar (btw i dont like him) who gave Ireland the much deserving qualifying chance for 2015.

Posted by trotter on (June 29, 2011, 15:22 GMT)

I'd love to see Irish as a full member. I think they deserve it in their current form. But the question is do they have enough quality players in the pipeline to sustain their performance? WI, ZIM are strugling with shortage of quality players, also and NZ to some extent. Performance curve for team like BD may stay flat or increase, but not falling because of sheer popularity of the game in the country, but can't say same for the Irish.

Posted by   on (June 29, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

India will never ever let Ireland have test status..ire having test status means icc control will once again fall in eng hands..and india will not let it happen..remember BD was given test status for that extra vote for asia..nothing else

Posted by offcutter on (June 29, 2011, 12:40 GMT)

A further point: why not let Ireland play weaker teams such as Bangla and Zim at test level, plus organise a series of fixtures against representative sides (eg England A, Australia under 21s, &c) to gain experience in the longer format? Maybe they could even play a rest of the world XI made up of players from associate countries: the very best Scots, Dutch, Afghans, & al could probably make for quite a decent side, and an enjoyable match. Indeed, it might make for quite an enjoyable pub game of who would be picked in such an XI.

Posted by offcutter on (June 29, 2011, 12:35 GMT)

When Bangladesh and even Sri Lanka started playing test cricket they were seen as whipping boys, but rapid progress was made. The difference with Ireland is presumably based on the fact that there is a relatively thin playing basis. I'd be curious, however, on this front to know how it compares with say NZ. Presumably if Ireland is to avoid fielding a team made up in large part of imports (and, yes, I know the English team at present has a distinctly southern hemisphere twang to it ... as well as a soft Irish brogue now and again!) the player base has to expand. The question is, will test status increase interest, or will repeated losses (which honestly are likely at the moment) simply turn potential players and spectators from the game. I do not have the answer, but I do think Ireland needs to be given cash from England, India and other major test playing nations to develop the team.

Posted by Jonah58 on (June 29, 2011, 12:33 GMT)

@dinith_sw what are you on about? Warren Deutrom is one of the most politically savvy and respected administrators in cricket! And as a former player and administrator at the ICC (he organised 3 or 4 CWC's before taking the helm with Cricket Ireland) he knows how the game works on an off the field! He, probably, like the rest of us, looks forward to the day when cricket is run for the sake of the fans and players and not for the petty foibles of national boards.

Posted by dragqueen1 on (June 29, 2011, 12:23 GMT)

i'm sure Mr. Deutrom doesn't need a a cricketing history lesson, however i think certain people should check the date. its 2011 not 1811. Sport by it's very nature is a meritocracy or at least it should be, Cricket isn't, it's a cosy cartel, the sport is hamstrung, in the 21st century, by the way it was formed 200+ years ago & just because the names & nationalities of the people running the game have changed doesn't mean the way it's run has been. the Irish(or any of the other associate nations) aren't looking for any special favours here, they just want to be able to play the game to the highest level they can.

Posted by Venki_indian on (June 29, 2011, 12:14 GMT)

@redneck in 1992 the same format followed but best team did not win.

Posted by cricket2011 on (June 29, 2011, 12:05 GMT)

(Irish player 1). D.T. Johnston ODI Bowling Ranking 19. (Irish player 2)P.R. STIRLING ODI Batting Ranking no 22, Best performance against Pak with 100+ this month. (Irish player 3) E.J.G. Morgan ODI Batting Ranking no 24, now he playing for England. (Irish player 4) K.J. O'Brien ODI Batting Ranking 45, Best performance against England with super 100+. (Irish player 5) G. Dockrell OD1 Bowling Ranking 42.

Irish player ed joyce, Joined in England in 2007, now he returned to Ireland. I hope Morgan will return from England if Ireland get test status.

There are such big players in Ireland. So I request ICC please grand Ireland the test status.

Posted by dinith_sw on (June 29, 2011, 11:11 GMT)

Rookie administrators like Deutrom should watch listen and heed. Respect the fact that this game wasn't born yesterday, unlike Irish cricket is. So cricket doesn't really need rookie mistakes, like him wishing this and that. Its a plague. Get rid of it. And in all accordance to what Deutrom says. cricket does need the best administrator and he himself understands that either country could have the best administrator. Then why go for another system, when the rotation policy works perfectly. Just because they didn't like Howard in the job, which happened to happen through the rotation policy doesn't mean this policy prevents Modi from being President. It still allows anyone to take the seat and with a far greater opportunity than ever before. The problem lies in the misplaced priorities of member nations. You can't fix that by getting rid of the rotation policy. You can only get rid of that by bringing them down to earth. Do that. You too Deutrom, back to Earth!

Posted by Jonah58 on (June 29, 2011, 10:46 GMT)

Guys can we make it clear that the argument is not whether we Irish are better than Bangla or Zim or even the WI (Dream on with that one!) the issue is what Ireland need to do to make the next step up and challenge to be allowed to play the longer format of the game. The ICup is not really representative of Irelands abilities as it is extremely rare that the English counties will release our best players for the competition as they are NOT test matches. I firmly believe that (outside of Asian conditions) a full strength Irish team would be a creditable match for either of the two lowest ranked Test playing nations we would probably beat ZIM and at best draw with Bangla at the moment, however with more exposure we could improve on that. All the uncertainty however is costing Ireland as we are losing some of our best talent to other sports eg: Jordan Coghlan a really exiting young prospect decided to sign for Leinster Rugby instead.

Posted by cricket2011 on (June 29, 2011, 10:43 GMT)

Irealand deserved test status

Posted by Smithie on (June 29, 2011, 10:41 GMT)

The last thing India wants is Ireland getting Test status since that would unlock their stranglehold on ICC voting ie ( having Zim and Bang in their back pocket ) "Bring it on" would be the catch cry of most cricket fans.

Posted by   on (June 29, 2011, 10:09 GMT)

lets base all we are saying on facts. I understand that we all want Ireland to play and all that, but surely the one match a dead rubber that Ireland did beat Zimbabwe does not qualify them to be a better team. Cricket and all other sport are always skewed towards continents that claim to the originators of the game. Look at kenya for example it had so much potential but just because it was not a big marketing drive everyone watched them sink just like that. Now all of you backing Ireland think the "shut my eyes and hit the ball" O Brien tactics will make them survive and lead to a good development of the game...no. firstly fix the current problems dogging the West Indies and Zimbabwe before you think expansion to add on another politically correct team. ireland has to dog it out like the rest of the other teams before their integrated. period

Posted by Udendra on (June 29, 2011, 9:15 GMT)

@Shail Buch: and Bangladesh doesn't deserve test status.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (June 29, 2011, 9:12 GMT)

yes. Ireland is far better team than BD. BD got test status not by merit, but due to lobbying by Asian boards. Thats what is reflecting in their performances.

Posted by Prashant_Dhamija on (June 29, 2011, 8:24 GMT)

If Zimbabwe can have the test status then why not Ireland? Ireland have performed well against many of the teams who have the test status

Posted by Notredam on (June 29, 2011, 6:30 GMT)

Ireland have every right for test status..they are better than bangdesh///and zimmies..on current form windies shall also struggle before them..as for afghansitan..in that first afgahsn shud get top of ladder.over dutch,,and sco,,thne speak before irish..

Posted by redneck on (June 29, 2011, 6:25 GMT)

@Rakesh_Sharma the logic is that 10 teams mean everyone can play the other 9 teams with the top 4 advancing to the semis. its the fairest and most credible way to run the world cup as the 4 teams that make the semis are 100% the best 4 teams throughout the tourniment. this can not happen with more teams as it makes the tourniment too drawn out. im disapointed being australian that the next one which we host will no longer have this format. happy that england's in 2019 will though! if the minows want to partisipate, then they should be able to beat bangledesh or zimbabwe. if they cant even do that, then there only making up the numbers anyway! i hate the suggestions of grouping the west indies and so on with the minows in a 2nd tier, they are clearly a cut above them still and to do as much would only harm the sport in the caribbean.

Posted by mihir_nam on (June 29, 2011, 2:16 GMT)

@Trickstar .Iam talking about FTP from 2012 to 2020 England are not playing bangladesh/zimbabwe. nor India will be playing them. they may tour only once in those eight years but surly will not host. @Azar Hamdard...Afghanistan is not an Associate please check its still Affiliate status.

Posted by   on (June 29, 2011, 1:10 GMT)

@Shail

Yes please! Lets play a "test" series in Bangladesh - would be fantastic - and then maybe a ODI tour to Pakistan, at the same time, which would give Ireland more experience and help in Pakistans road back to staging home tests.

Posted by Trickstar on (June 28, 2011, 23:30 GMT)

It should be straight forward this, the WC should consist of the test nations and the top 2 associate nations simple as that, it that way it gives the associates something to pan for and play for, they'll be able to attract young talent, who will have a dream of playing in the WC against the big nations and maybe causing a upset.

@mihir_nam What are you talking about ,England have played Bang home and away in the past year or so. They went to Bang and played 2 tests and 3 Odi's and a T20, then they, came over to England and played the same games last year.

Posted by cric_fanatics on (June 28, 2011, 23:13 GMT)

ireland is by far the best associate team..give them a chance and they will beat bangladesh and zimbabwe any day....PLEASE get ireland on board..their players are much fitter than many other teams..and they have the basic skillset..all they need to learn are the finer nuances of the game which certainly will happen once they get to play higher ranked teams more often....

Posted by   on (June 28, 2011, 22:21 GMT)

How about a Bangladesh vs Ireland test series?? If Ireland defeat Bangladesh that means they deserve a test status... If they can't, make them wait.

Posted by Rakesh_Sharma on (June 28, 2011, 21:07 GMT)

Unable to understand logic of 10 team for 2019. Also what is the logic for making 14 teams when the ideal was 12 teams. SO bad performance by last 2 associates will be clubbed with good performance of Ireland and Afghanisthan. It looks like ICC wants reason to eliminate associates. The logic to make last 2 Test teams who play regularly with top Test teams to compete with associate teams for qualifying in 2019 is treacherous as well.It is unfair way . These last 2 Test teams will take unfair advantage of experience of playing throughout against strong teams against associates. Ideal is 12 tea WC till atleast one associate like Ireland becomes Full member. AFter this it should be revieved. The decisions are illogical.

Posted by   on (June 28, 2011, 19:36 GMT)

@Azar, Ireland is the top associate team by far, we have shown this time and time again, we won the ICC Cup three times in a row and went unbeaten in the competition for near four years and this was also with a weaker team when we couldn't always field our county players...

Posted by   on (June 28, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

IRELAND has to not claim 4 that bcoz AFGHANISTAN lead associates team

Posted by   on (June 28, 2011, 16:22 GMT)

The next battle is 2019 and Test cricket for Ireland.

Posted by mihir_nam on (June 28, 2011, 15:44 GMT)

Well What Next for Ireland after being Top Associate and performing on regular basis. They can be included in league of Zim Ban WI ..anyways Test cricket is Unofficially Divided with India England not playing Bangladesh or Zimbabwe ..then why not include Ireland so these bottom 4teams can play 3Test series with each other

Posted by   on (June 28, 2011, 15:42 GMT)

Good decision taken by icc

Posted by   on (June 28, 2011, 15:32 GMT)

agree..with u............. so many new rules will make the game robotic but true noble game of cricket is not being found....

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