WA Chairman's XI v England XI, Perth, 3rd day November 2, 2013

England left with much to ponder

Brad Elborough in Perth
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Western Australia Chairman's XI 5 for 451 dec (Lynn 104, Towers 77, Harris 69) and 5 for 168 (Marsh 62, Lynn 61*) drew with England XI 391 (Bell 115, Trott 113*)
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England travel to Hobart with questions about the composition of their side for the first Test still largely unanswered after completing a none-too-convincing draw in their opening tour match against a Western Australia XI which could draw much more pride from their performance.

Boyd Rankin acquitted himself more ably than his fellow contenders for a fast-bowling place, Steven Finn and Chris Tremlett, but two wickets in WA's second innings did not represent an irresistible case for selection. And Jonny Bairstow, omitted at the WACA, benefitted from his inactivity as two options for his spot at No. 6, Gary Ballance and Ben Stokes, both fell cheaply in an England collapse on the final day.

Ian Bell, England's standout batsmen in the Ashes series in England earlier this year, added 38 in 28 balls to his overnight score of 77 from 28 balls before he retired for 115. His gesture allowed the likes of Ballance and Stokes their first hit of the tour, but it also exposed them to the second new ball, which was only one over old, and England lost seven wickets for 61 in the next 20.5 overs, with Matt Prior, deputising for Alastair Cook as captain, another batsman to fail.

England were dismissed for 391 runs, 60 runs behind, but they bowled more respectably second time around, with WA declaring its second innings closed at 5 for 168 to bring an early end to the third and final day.

Ballance made a second-ball nought on his one-day debut against Ireland last August. On his senior debut for England in first-class cricket, he fared even worse, edging his first ball, from Ryan Duffield, to the wicketkeeper.

Stokes lasted 10 balls, and managed a solitary boundary, before he fell in a similar fashion, off the bowling of the Glamorgan allrounder Jim Allenby, who took the opportunity to finish with four wickets as England's lower order crumbled.

The failure of Ballance and Stokes opens the door for opener Michael Carberry to leapfrog them into the side for the first Test in Brisbane starting on November 21. Carberry, 33, was only selected because Alastair Cook was suffering from a sore back, but he impressed with 78. England may consider bringing him into the side at Gabba and relegating Joe Root to the No. 6 spot.

But Carberry may struggle to get another chance to bat before the Brisbane Test, with Cook and Kevin Pietersen expected to play in the Hobart game against Australia A starting on Wednesday. Stuart Broad and Graeme Swann should also join the bowling attack for that game. England have to start taking decisions now.

Wicketkeeper Matt Prior is another of England's batsman struggling to find consistently good form. He was dismissed just four balls after Ballance departed, also caught behind off the bowling of Duffield, for 4. Prior made just 133 runs at an average of 19 against Australia in England earlier this year and has not posted a half-century in 13 Test innings.

Jonathan Trott, whose top score in the last Ashes series was 59, spent some valuable time in the middle. He was unbeaten at the end of the England innings on 113 from 236 deliveries.

Allenby was the pick of the WA bowlers, with figures of 4 for 58 from 22.5 overs after finding the edge against both James Anderson and Rankin late in the innings.

While Rankin failed to trouble the scorers with the bat, he did find a good line and length at the start of WA's second innings. He will go in to Wednesday's game slightly in front of Chris Tremlett and Finn for a final Test bowling spot. He made the most of the new ball, dismissing both openers cheaply. He had Luke Towers caught by Anderson at third slip for just one and Marcus Harris lbw for 22.

Rankin did Finn no favours in his first over of the innings though, dropping a catch, albeit a difficult chance, provided to him by Chris Lynn at mid-on. Lynn was on 12 at the time and went on to score an unbeaten 61, following his impressive 104 in the first innings.

Finn bounced back with two wickets late in the day, trapping Mitch Marsh lbw for 62 and then having Tom Triffitt caught behind without scoring four balls later. He finished with the figures of 2 for 53, following his first innings return of 1 for 123 from 23 overs. Tremlett also claimed a late wicket, his first of the game, just before the close.

England will be relieved to move on to two four-day matches against more recognised opposition, with their likely Test XI largely in place. After facing Australia A in Hobart, they will play a final warm up in Sydney against a New South Wales XI which due to a fixture clash with Shield cricket will be bolstered by several guest players on the instructions of Cricket Australia.

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  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 4, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    @Shaggy076 (post on November 4, 2013, 3:24 GMT): Indeed true, but in my case I've been voicing concerns and opinions long before this "net game" as you say. As I said to CricketingStargazer, these warm up games generally don't create/manifest new doubts in my head - they often simply reinforce them. What really worries me is that some of the bowlers don't appear to have any plans at all, be it a warm-up game or actual test. Look back through the last Ashes and read my posts about the abysmal bowling to 'so-called' tail-enders by England's bowlers. Yes we won - woo ha! But in order to even threaten South Africa and stand ANY chance of regaining number 1, the bowlers have to bowl to get people out and not simply pray for mistakes etc.

    @Liquefierrrr: I think you'll find the same comments can be made about every international team. It just so happens that the biggest England critics are their own fans.

  • Diaz54 on November 4, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    Jg2704 onions bowling version of Rampakrash! You must be joking. Obviously you have a tainted view of Ramps!

  • Shaggy076 on November 4, 2013, 3:24 GMT

    Seriously some people get over excited on what is merely a game for the English to blow off there cobwebs, jetlag and experience some Australian conditions. I bet that none of there bowlers had any plans for batsman and treated the situation more like a net session. Im an Aussie supporter, and optimistic that Australia can win the Ashes, but to start saying how bad England are that it is a formality that Australia will win from this net session to me seems ludicrous.

  • Liquefierrrr on November 4, 2013, 2:54 GMT

    Embarrassing for England to reveal their lack of depth here as their bowlers were pummelled around.

    This is no surprise to anyone - let's just think back to their 'new Swanny' in Simon Kerrigan. Or ST Finn's ridiculously embarrassing/humbling Ashes at home in favourable conditions, whereby he was treated like a net bowler (and rightly so).

    England have a solid Test side presently, but if we remove a single piece of that things start looking murky and concerning.

    This is why they are not a great team and their fans cling dearly to this recently victorious Ashes stint. They've had nothing to cheer about for years and are riding the wave whilst it lasts. Understandable, but very transparent.

    It will end shortly enough, and based on what we've seen here, in the last Ashes and also when trawling through the county averages, they have a lot of work to do to ensure they don't go into another embarrassing 20 years of meek underperformance.

    Until that time comes, enjoy it while it lasts.

  • jmcilhinney on November 4, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    @Srini_Chennai on (November 3, 2013, 5:05 GMT), if you're so determined that the state of the Test pitches was due to their having been doctored, can you please explain why all the pitches for domestic games were the same? Did they doctor those pitches too, even though neither Swann nor Australia were playing? The Test pitches were consistent with the domestic pitches so that would suggest that they were about as undoctored as they could be.

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 20:53 GMT

    @Yevghenny - , just an observation that I strongly think Eng's back up lacks balance and quality. This is not kneejerk either as I strongly disagreed with the selection when the squad was announced. I've given my reasons for why I think Onions non selection was a poor decision. If you disagree with my assessment then fair enough and yes the selectors probably have got most decisions right but by law of averages they haven't got everything right and this is one decision which baffles me. I personally don't see the point in just waiting for things to go wrong before voicing my concerns

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 20:53 GMT

    @CS- I stick by my comms on Onions. He may have had a rough winter but I'd still much prefer Onions to come in than any of those names mentioned from the performance squad. He does it year in,year out for Durham. Of course it could be argued that he'll be a bowling version of Ramprakash but in the last test he played I thought he bowled ok with little luck at times. Also are the performance squad players ready to step in on the day , say Jimmy or Broad pull up in warm up? I really don't see the point in having 3 similar type bowlers for 1 position at the expense of cover for the other 2 pace bowlers

    PS will be very surprised if they alter the batting order around at this stage

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK Last word I saw, Tim Bresnan was on course to start playing by the 1st Test. If you want a different kind of bowler though, you have a wide selection available in the performance squad. Part of the reasoning is that they are available, they are playing and can, if necessary, be picked in a Test. And there you have bowlers such as Reece Topley, Chris Jordan, Tymal Mills, etc.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 3, 2013, 18:05 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer: Like JG2704, I just think England are putting all their eggs in one basket by not bringing Onions. Without Bresnan at the moment, I just feel England are missing a 'different' kind of bowler, and Stokes has definitely not convinced me yet he can fill that void. An injury to Swann? = Very bad, but at least Magic Monty is there which leaves some hope... An injury to Finn? = No big deal because Rankin and Tremlett are there right... But an injury to either Broad and/or Anderson - or more likely (in my opinion), Broad has a poor series as he often follows up a good series with a mediocre one? = Devastating for England because (again, just my feelings/opinion) these 'lanky' back-up bowlers are not suitable replacements for either of them. England need Bresnan and/or Onions in my opinion, and this first warm-up game strengthened my concerns, rather than created/manifesting them.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    @Yevghenny I have seen these campaigns for years. In 2003 it was "Andrew Flintoff should never be picked again". In 2004 it was "Simon Jones is nowhere near good enough, Sajid Mahmood should be picked instead" and "Marcus Trescothick should never play for England again". In 2006 it was "Alistair Cook is useless". In 2007 it was "Andrew Strauss is not Test class". Etc. If the selectors followed the advice from fans not one of the current XI would be playing now.

    In general the selectors have made more right calls than wrong ones and the Onions call is at least defensible. They have also shown themselves to be pragmatic by hiring and firing when players don't make the grade or provoke doubts (recently Morgan, Compton, Finn, Taylor and, going back a bit further, Hoggard, or Rob Key). I am quite sure that all were selected as long-term solutions - England have rarely gone for short-term fixes in the last few years. So they are willing to be flexible, as Joe Root may soon find.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 4, 2013, 9:17 GMT

    @Shaggy076 (post on November 4, 2013, 3:24 GMT): Indeed true, but in my case I've been voicing concerns and opinions long before this "net game" as you say. As I said to CricketingStargazer, these warm up games generally don't create/manifest new doubts in my head - they often simply reinforce them. What really worries me is that some of the bowlers don't appear to have any plans at all, be it a warm-up game or actual test. Look back through the last Ashes and read my posts about the abysmal bowling to 'so-called' tail-enders by England's bowlers. Yes we won - woo ha! But in order to even threaten South Africa and stand ANY chance of regaining number 1, the bowlers have to bowl to get people out and not simply pray for mistakes etc.

    @Liquefierrrr: I think you'll find the same comments can be made about every international team. It just so happens that the biggest England critics are their own fans.

  • Diaz54 on November 4, 2013, 8:24 GMT

    Jg2704 onions bowling version of Rampakrash! You must be joking. Obviously you have a tainted view of Ramps!

  • Shaggy076 on November 4, 2013, 3:24 GMT

    Seriously some people get over excited on what is merely a game for the English to blow off there cobwebs, jetlag and experience some Australian conditions. I bet that none of there bowlers had any plans for batsman and treated the situation more like a net session. Im an Aussie supporter, and optimistic that Australia can win the Ashes, but to start saying how bad England are that it is a formality that Australia will win from this net session to me seems ludicrous.

  • Liquefierrrr on November 4, 2013, 2:54 GMT

    Embarrassing for England to reveal their lack of depth here as their bowlers were pummelled around.

    This is no surprise to anyone - let's just think back to their 'new Swanny' in Simon Kerrigan. Or ST Finn's ridiculously embarrassing/humbling Ashes at home in favourable conditions, whereby he was treated like a net bowler (and rightly so).

    England have a solid Test side presently, but if we remove a single piece of that things start looking murky and concerning.

    This is why they are not a great team and their fans cling dearly to this recently victorious Ashes stint. They've had nothing to cheer about for years and are riding the wave whilst it lasts. Understandable, but very transparent.

    It will end shortly enough, and based on what we've seen here, in the last Ashes and also when trawling through the county averages, they have a lot of work to do to ensure they don't go into another embarrassing 20 years of meek underperformance.

    Until that time comes, enjoy it while it lasts.

  • jmcilhinney on November 4, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    @Srini_Chennai on (November 3, 2013, 5:05 GMT), if you're so determined that the state of the Test pitches was due to their having been doctored, can you please explain why all the pitches for domestic games were the same? Did they doctor those pitches too, even though neither Swann nor Australia were playing? The Test pitches were consistent with the domestic pitches so that would suggest that they were about as undoctored as they could be.

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 20:53 GMT

    @Yevghenny - , just an observation that I strongly think Eng's back up lacks balance and quality. This is not kneejerk either as I strongly disagreed with the selection when the squad was announced. I've given my reasons for why I think Onions non selection was a poor decision. If you disagree with my assessment then fair enough and yes the selectors probably have got most decisions right but by law of averages they haven't got everything right and this is one decision which baffles me. I personally don't see the point in just waiting for things to go wrong before voicing my concerns

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 20:53 GMT

    @CS- I stick by my comms on Onions. He may have had a rough winter but I'd still much prefer Onions to come in than any of those names mentioned from the performance squad. He does it year in,year out for Durham. Of course it could be argued that he'll be a bowling version of Ramprakash but in the last test he played I thought he bowled ok with little luck at times. Also are the performance squad players ready to step in on the day , say Jimmy or Broad pull up in warm up? I really don't see the point in having 3 similar type bowlers for 1 position at the expense of cover for the other 2 pace bowlers

    PS will be very surprised if they alter the batting order around at this stage

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK Last word I saw, Tim Bresnan was on course to start playing by the 1st Test. If you want a different kind of bowler though, you have a wide selection available in the performance squad. Part of the reasoning is that they are available, they are playing and can, if necessary, be picked in a Test. And there you have bowlers such as Reece Topley, Chris Jordan, Tymal Mills, etc.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 3, 2013, 18:05 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer: Like JG2704, I just think England are putting all their eggs in one basket by not bringing Onions. Without Bresnan at the moment, I just feel England are missing a 'different' kind of bowler, and Stokes has definitely not convinced me yet he can fill that void. An injury to Swann? = Very bad, but at least Magic Monty is there which leaves some hope... An injury to Finn? = No big deal because Rankin and Tremlett are there right... But an injury to either Broad and/or Anderson - or more likely (in my opinion), Broad has a poor series as he often follows up a good series with a mediocre one? = Devastating for England because (again, just my feelings/opinion) these 'lanky' back-up bowlers are not suitable replacements for either of them. England need Bresnan and/or Onions in my opinion, and this first warm-up game strengthened my concerns, rather than created/manifesting them.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    @Yevghenny I have seen these campaigns for years. In 2003 it was "Andrew Flintoff should never be picked again". In 2004 it was "Simon Jones is nowhere near good enough, Sajid Mahmood should be picked instead" and "Marcus Trescothick should never play for England again". In 2006 it was "Alistair Cook is useless". In 2007 it was "Andrew Strauss is not Test class". Etc. If the selectors followed the advice from fans not one of the current XI would be playing now.

    In general the selectors have made more right calls than wrong ones and the Onions call is at least defensible. They have also shown themselves to be pragmatic by hiring and firing when players don't make the grade or provoke doubts (recently Morgan, Compton, Finn, Taylor and, going back a bit further, Hoggard, or Rob Key). I am quite sure that all were selected as long-term solutions - England have rarely gone for short-term fixes in the last few years. So they are willing to be flexible, as Joe Root may soon find.

  • Yevghenny on November 3, 2013, 15:44 GMT

    I think the reason there's so much moaning about the non-selection of onions is that people are happier when they are moaning. The selectors over the past 10 years have got most things pretty much spot on but never get credit for it.

    As for this game, Bell and Trott would still be batting had he not retired himself out. Good to see them look good in the middle, but warm up matches are quickly forgotten about when the real stuff begins

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    @JG Onions was genuinely awful last winter. He had a bad game in India, but in New Zealand was going at 7-an-over with no control at all. Could that be why the selectors have some doubts? County form on often friendly pitches isn't everything.

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    @First_Drop on (November 3, 2013, 9:45 GMT) It depends what anyone calls a doctored pitch? Personally I don't like that term esp when both teams play on the same pitch and nothing has been done between inns to alter the pitch. You do get pitches which break up late in the game which gives the side batting 1st an advantage but you still have to win the toss to get that advantage. Obviously if you then had a double headed coin that would start to look dodgy

    @Diaz54 on (November 3, 2013, 10:08 GMT) Ali has been around a while and only last season did he truly deliver. I think Eng want to (rightly or wrongly) bring through younger players now. They brought in Nick but then seemed like they could not wait to get rid of him when he was in the side. Mind you the Carberry selection defies that way of thinking

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    @markatnotts on (November 3, 2013, 9:00 GMT) Also much of the big swing etc comes from the weather conditions rather than the pitch. We saw what happened in the 1st test vs SA as an example. Day 1 (no overhead conditions) and Eng were 300+ for 4. Day 2 (with overhead conditions) and Eng were skittled out and at the start of the SA inns while it was still humid they lost a wicket and had several close shaves before the rain stopped play. The same 2 SA players then came out (same pitch - different weather conditions) and made it look easy

    And @ those who like to make mountains out of molehills - this is not an excuse. Eng had the same conditions in their 2nd inns and did nowhere near as well as SA in their inns

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 13:53 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer on (November 3, 2013, 8:45 GMT) I don't think they necessarily had a long term plan with Nick. They never publicly backed him after the India tour when there was original talk of him being dropped prior to him scoring the tons in NZ and then being dropped after the return leg. Re JB - I still wouldn't be surprised if he made the 1st test 11. I'd be genuinely surprised if they dropped Root back down the order and besides opening is his natural position for Yorks. Re Onions - also disagree. Eng ended up replacing one of their faster bowlers in the last Aus ashes with someone who has less pace but more control. This time they don't have the option. And Finn was bowling better in that series than any of the lankies are bowling now.

  • SirViv1973 on November 3, 2013, 11:24 GMT

    @diaz54, Moen Ali is with the performance squad & has played for the lions this year he is very much in the selectors thoughts and if he continues to score runs at fc level he will get his chance

  • OneEyedAussie on November 3, 2013, 10:40 GMT

    I wouldn't read too much into this game - most of the English players are undoubtedly rusty and suffering from jetlag.

  • 5wombats on November 3, 2013, 10:23 GMT

    @calcu (November 3, 2013, 8:54 GMT) what on earth are you talking about....? This England side contained no Cook and no KP. Do you really think they would have scored nothing? This England side contained no Broad - do you really think WA would have scored so many runs had he been playing? As well as that - a knowledgeable person like you would know that England conceded a 65 run lead to Australia at Trent Bridge, and won, and a 32 run lead to Australia at Chester-le-Street and won so your comment about conceding a lead is worth zip. Did you notice Bell and Trott both getting tons? Trott not out on 113 and Bell walking off because he wanted to give someone else a go? Probably not. @calcu with your knowledge I wonder if you remember what happened when England played home and away series against India and home and away series against Australia recently? Did "The Poms get a thrashing to remember"!? No.... See you when the real cricket begins mate.

  • Diaz54 on November 3, 2013, 10:08 GMT

    I had predicted England will fast track Ballance few years ago. That's exactly what's happened.......his credentials fit perfectly for this England set up...others who have who have shown equal capability do not get a chance or even a mention...Moeen Ali for example. No doubt Ballnce will succeed bu the point is contrast in support.

  • VillageBlacksmith on November 3, 2013, 9:58 GMT

    @dorothydix… well said, cdnt agree more, and sadly not just in oz… everywhere these anaemic shiny suits are bringing their 1 yr online MBA's into sport and somehow end up running the show… to the detriment of the club/team/supporter…

  • hhillbumper on November 3, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    Being given tips on touring from Australian fans is an irony.Lets see what the result is at the end of the series before we start saying how good all the Aus players are.Lets face it you haven't had good results this year. As for the pitch doctoring idea this was a very dry summer all round the country.Following our recent spell of summers which were damp we were going to get dry pitches.It was also an unusually late cold spring so some pitch preparation was behind. But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.As for the Indian fans on here what ever pitch we play you on we have you.Fast bouncy pitches make you weep and spinning pitches we beat you because if your best spinner is Ashwin then frankly you don't have a spinner

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 9:55 GMT

    @SamRoy I agree with you to a point, but there is a factor that you are missing. I think that we are beginning to see the start of the expected Darren Lehmann factor. When he was appointed, the wise old heads said that he could not do much with the Australian side in England, but would be much more dangerous in Australia. On the negative side, the Australian set-up is so poor and the strength in depth so limited that even he understands that it will be a long haul.

    In theory, the Australian attack can compete, as it showed last summer, but it is being crippled with injuries. Take out Ryan Harris from the 4th and 5th Test attacks and what was left was pretty ordinary. Make the pitches more lively to help them and they will help Anderson, Broad and co at least as much as their own attack.

    Like England's the Australian batting is famine or feast. Last summer they passed 300 just twice, making 500 both times. England's tends to be a little more consistent (6 scores over 300 last summer).

  • First_Drop on November 3, 2013, 9:45 GMT

    @JG2704 - re: doctored pitches - you'd think all countries were doing it wouldn't you...but Michael Clarke swears blind the Aussies dont do it. Either he's telling a fib or he bonkers for not doing it. Either way, doesn't look good for him.

    @Samroy, the last time round, Australia's batting lineup was better 'on paper' than it is today. But both Clarke and Ponting had awful series last time around. And with the openers failing we found oursleves relying overly on Hussey and Haddin et al. This time around, Pup is in better form and our openers look a little more comfortable. Watto, who IMO, looked the best of our Bats in the last series, is no longer walking across his stumps. Also, it doesn't hurt that there are clouds over the form of Cook, Root, Trott and Prior...unbelievable, I read in The Times yesterday the opinion that Trott's place could be in doubt by the end of the series...

  • SamRoy on November 3, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    I think England brought a better team to Australia last time. I think Australia had a better batting lineup last time around with Hussey still being there (Ponting had been fading since 2009). But Australia's bowling was quite poor especially to Cook, who needs to second invitation if the ball is short or on his pads; if you can avoid those two areas he becomes quite strokeless in five day cricket. Anderson had more endurance (stamina) last time around, Swann is probably slightly better but certainly less stamina with all those surgeries, Bresnan similar, Broad somewhat better and Tremlett has regressed a lot, Finn, a yard quicker but similar (bad) control and batting looking much more iffy than last time.

  • markatnotts on November 3, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    @JG2704, I agree. I think a sizeable minority of people on these pages just judge results that go against their team based on their prejudices rather than actually watching the match. Anyone who has watched a sizeable amount of Test cricket in England in recent years will clearly see the pitches are generally quite slow and low. It is the overhead conditions that help swing bowling. Indeed the ball was carrying through to the wicket keeper at ankle height in 2011 off the Indian steamers. This year was a lot dryer so the pitches in all first class cricket were bland as well.

  • calcu on November 3, 2013, 8:54 GMT

    If England concedes a 60 run lead to Western Australia, then what will happen against Australia? The Poms will get a thrashing to remember!

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 8:53 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK I can understand this point of view, but can see the reasoning behind not risking him. Back in the dark days of 2007 there was a massive outcry because Matthew Hoggard had one bad Test in New Zealand and was dropped. People could not understand why Hoggard was dropped, but Steve Harmison got more chances. Of course, we did not know until years later that Matthew Hoggard had some grave issues on that tour (depression, marriage difficulties) but, at the same time, the management had noticed that some of his nip had gone. When you bowl at 90mph like Harmison, you can lose a little nip and still hurry batsmen but, at Hoggard's pace, you lose a little and suddenly Test batsmen are right in their comfort zone. In the county game you get away with it, but not at the higher level. I think that the selectors believe that Graeme Onions has just lost that 1-2% that made him top class. He also had an absolutely dire winter last year in India *AND* in New Zealand.

  • dorothydix on November 3, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    Here we go again looking too much into the first warm up match! Its as predictable as all those incessant repetitive articles on Shane Watson. Lets have some stuff on how Australian cricket as a whole can regain all the credibility that its lost since the corporates and the non cricketers took over running the game.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 3, 2013, 8:45 GMT

    @JG England had a long-term plan with Nick Compton and with Jonny Bairstow. The fact that he drops back to #6 until ready to go back to the top if the order is not a sign of panic. He's had a run as an opener and has managed one score - albeit a daddy hundred. Since he moved up, England have had a problem at #6 and, now, a problem at the top too because Root and Cook are not getting the starts that Compton and Cook did.

    Was it panic to drop Nick Compton? No. Not really. Harsh? Possibly.

    Joe Root will be in the England side for another 12 years. It's hardly panic to play him in his best position!

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer on (November 2, 2013, 16:50 GMT) That would really surprise me. Eng seemed to have a long term plan for Root as an opener and to switch him back down the order after 1 series I believe would be showing pannicky signs

  • JG2704 on November 3, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    Got to love these debates with fans seemingly unable to accept reasons for defeat - ie team's shortcomings.

    Re doctored pitches - what actually constitutes as a doctored pitch and when does a pitch go from being prepared to being doctored? Surely every country prepares (or tries to prepare) pitches to suit their strengths - no?

    @Srini_Chennai on (November 3, 2013, 5:05 GMT) If it's a muggy wet summer - like it usually is in England - then we have little choice anyway. Let's be real here all sides try to prepare wickets which their team's are used to and also much of it is to do with weather conditions. Just like Capt Meanster says - India has baking hot summers - by the same token Eng often has humid/wet summers

  • RednWhiteArmy on November 3, 2013, 8:10 GMT

    @dunger.bob Well said! Unfortunately i think you've blown scottstevo's little conspiracy theory apart.

  • dunger.bob on November 3, 2013, 6:34 GMT

    A word on the pitch doctoring saga : I'm a farmer in Northern NSW and been at it for 30+ years, so I think I know at least something about growing things and this is what I think.

    You can irrigate till you're blue in the face but if the general water table has dropped and you are talking about soils and plants that normally get plenty of natural rainfall, you're screwed.

    Adelaide has soils and grass varieties adapted and hardened to low rainfall conditions as does India. England doesn't. .. Drought in England would have far a more drastic impact on their pitches than it does in Aus. or India as a result of it being far more unusual there.

    Look, I'm sorry if I upset anyone with this, but I just can't let this go on without at least trying to get some reality into the argument.

  • on November 3, 2013, 6:04 GMT

    England should not read too much about the failure of Ballance and Stokes..... having tried Root with opening they should go with that plan till 3rd test.England have to go with five bowlers apporach if they have to win the ashes ... My team for Gabba Cook, Root, Trott, Pietersen,Bell,Prior,Broad, Swann, Stokes, Anderson, Tremlett...... With this team they have variety in their bowling attack and also they can bat deep .....

  • Srini_Indian on November 3, 2013, 5:05 GMT

    @jmcilhinney: What a load of rubbish. You say English summer dries out the pitches, then what about Indian summers which is 10C hotter? Let me guess, next summer when India tours, the pitch will be green and moist, you'd be blaming the miserable English summer. Nice try though, but the truth is England doctors pitches according to the team.

  • VillageBlacksmith on November 3, 2013, 4:56 GMT

    maybe its carbs @ 6… i wd not put it past them, as they seem v stubborn for root to open… when imho it shd still be compo opening and root @ 6… i saw johnson bowling a bit in india… plenty of wides so looking forward to dusting off the hymn sheet..

  • dinosaurus on November 3, 2013, 4:25 GMT

    I'm 75 years old, so I have some experience of following the cricket here in Oz. The only real changes I can remember in Oz pitches are: Melbourne's become funny with the "drop-in" pitches (brought about by the use of the MCG as the main centre for Aussie Rules Football); the WACA isn't what it was since the orientation of the pitch was changed and Brisbane used to be a road (we too have long hot summers) but has been what it is now for 30 years. Adelaide and Sydney have kept the same character, though I am fearful of what the AFL-inspired remodelling of the Adelaide Oval will lead to. Even though Aussie pitches tend to be on the fast side, particularly at the start of the match, It's not that common to send the opposition in to bat first (of course, since the end of the uncovered pitches era). The early drop-in pitches were often low and slow (very unusual here) and the MCG pitch has quite good bounce these days. My point is that the tradition is to try to preserve pitch character.

  • on November 3, 2013, 3:30 GMT

    Just working out the right lengths to bowl, and then cashing in on some mediocre bowling. In other words, having a net.

  • dunger.bob on November 3, 2013, 3:18 GMT

    I totally agree that it's still very early doors and we can't read too much into this slightly unexpected result. I will say this much though. It makes a bloody nice change to see England meet some resistance from our 2nd tier blokes.

    Chris Lynne looks compact, organised and is a beautiful striker of the ball I've got to say. He's hit the ground running this season and this is a very, very good season to hit the ground running I'd say. .. For some of our young blokes the ultimate prize is right there in front of them. If someone can burst away from the pack and show some real class and form, then they will likely be rewarded with a little baggy green cap. .. Like I said, the ultimate prize for any young Aussie cricketer.

    Bell simply confirmed his class in this match, no surprises there, but I didn't like the look of Trott. He's starting to get that organised plodder mojo again. He's a real worry and we can't afford to let him get away from us. Let's hope it's a false dawn for him.

  • RednWhiteArmy on November 3, 2013, 1:57 GMT

    @scottstevo Complete rubbish! Ever heard of water restrictions?

  • souwesterly on November 3, 2013, 1:32 GMT

    On a good day, England have some decent players - they can all do their bit from time to time.....but how often will they all fire at once? I'd also say that conditions are very different from Perth to Brisbane, (via Hobart and Sydney) and the chances of picking the 'right' team for Brisbane are slim. A sunny and warm start for the first Test; remaining sunny for a few days then more cloud on days 4 and 5 - should be interesting if the forecast holds. The batting is ok but we do need Onions and I'd be prepared to drop Finn if his performance doesn't improve.

  • derpherp on November 3, 2013, 1:12 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Sponge haha love your work mate

  • Cpt.Meanster on November 2, 2013, 23:46 GMT

    @jmcilhinney: Dude, pitches on the sub continent are NOT doctored. They are naturally like that. When your country is roasted under a 40c sun every single day, you don't expect grasslands for pitches. If English summers can dry up pitches around England, expect Indian summers to bake pitches across India. Let some sense prevail.

  • Bonehead_maz on November 2, 2013, 23:45 GMT

    Good to see Mitchell Marsh back on a cricket field.

  • jmcilhinney on November 2, 2013, 23:44 GMT

    @ScottStevo on (November 2, 2013, 19:57 GMT), so were all the CC pitches at all grounds kept dry on purpose too and, if so, to what end?

  • Bonehead_maz on November 2, 2013, 23:35 GMT

    LOL @ CA ! How about knee jerk over reactions ? Genous in action :- .......... Our pitches are too sporting, and this is hindering the development of our batsmen. So from same year's green Mamba's to this first round ? Are we in India ? ROFL at the number of wickets taken by leg spinners in this round of matches. Sorry my English friends for the pitch conditions, you arrived on our shores at a time where fire fighting has moved into the boardrooms ...... :(

  • HatsforBats on November 2, 2013, 23:18 GMT

    The most striking thing for me since England arrived has been the lack of intent and positivity. Last tour from the outset they spoke of their desire to win all the warm-up games and play them as proper FC matches. First game this tour and it has been used as nothing more than a warm-up and a bowl-off (Anderson didn't even bowl in the 2nd innings). Things are a little different now with KP still to arrive and selections unsettled, but one can really sense the loss of Strauss right now, Cook doesn't make half the figurehead his predecessor did. Looking forward to the Aus A game and to see what kind of pitch they roll out in Hobart, it's been very wet and cold lately but the forecast looks good...methinks there might be a tinge of green.

  • Macker60 on November 2, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    @jmcilhinneyy, and those that even think the weather dried out the decks during that last Ashes, Think again, I will use Adelaide oval as an example, The state until last year was in a Heavy drought that had been going on for 7 odd years, Yes in Aus that means water restrictions, Yet they still managed to turn out good wickets, Funny thing is in Aus they are required to turn out wickets that have something for batsman and bowlers, And if a Test match does not go the distance then Questions are asked no matter who win. ie a few years ago the WACA was questioned resulting in changes being made. Aussie are a funny bunch we Rather see good wicket that last 5 days than Doctored wickets that suit our bowlers, And before you start check out the backlash whenever a test match did not go the distance, or there is a hint of Doctoring.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 2, 2013, 21:33 GMT

    @Yorkshire-86 A lot of England supporters feel that with Root opening instead of playing at #6 we *ARE* playing with 10.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 2, 2013, 21:02 GMT

    @ScottStevo (post on November 2, 2013, 19:57 GMT): A hosepipe is absolutely no substitute for dank, humid, usually miserable weather we have here in U.K. That's been one of the best summers I've seen here for years in terms of heat and dryness. Quite why a team like England, who are notoriously inept at playing spin (even it is only Smith/Clarke/Agar/Lyon etc. as the opposition), would insist on dry spin-friendly pitches is baffling and really clutching at straws in terms of excuses for a poor series. Harris seemed to enjoy the bowling conditions; why couldn't the others? Would England really deliberately prepare pitches to suit the opposition?

  • on November 2, 2013, 21:01 GMT

    So is the ECB running some kind of travel package? There seem to be a few passengers in this England squad...

  • hhillbumper on November 2, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    it blew the cobwebs out and is a start to the preparation.There is work to be done and it will happen so lets see what happens.

  • ScottStevo on November 2, 2013, 19:57 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, complete rubbish! How can you claim the weather dried out the decks during that last Ashes? What, you've never heard of a hose pipe? They were deliberately kept dry to enhance Swann's chances - and it was spoken of and discussed freely. I can't understand how you can even suggest that not to be the case. Personally, I don't care what boards/curators do to wickets. It's their home series and they can prepare tracks to suit them as freely as they like. Both teams still have to play on the same thing...

  • yorkshire-86 on November 2, 2013, 19:08 GMT

    Carberry play TESTS against TEST class bowlers? Might as well play with ten.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 2, 2013, 18:10 GMT

    @Sponge I think that 9 names can be put down for the Brisbane Test now, so the side is pretty settled. Cook, Root, Trott, Bell, KP, Prior, Broad, Swann and Anderson are all certainties. The only doubt is the final batting slot at 6: Carberry could open and let Root move back there, or Jonny Bairstow could keep his place and the third seamer (most likely a straight choice between Finn and Rankin until Tim Bresnan is fit again). Probably the selectors are genuinely unsure who to use to back-up Broad and Anderson in the absence of Bresnan and will use pre-series form to decide.

    Like @Englishfan, I would have liked to see Jordan in the Test squad rather than the Development Squad - I would have picked him instead of Stokes - but, like Stokes, he would most likely have sat out the Tests anyway barring an injury crisis and will still be in Australia and available anyway. Picking both Tremlett and Onions would have been a huge risk: have they lost some zip with their injuries?

  • bobbysimpson on November 2, 2013, 17:56 GMT

    It could turn out to be a poor selection decision to take 3 similar reserve bowlers instead of 2 of them plus Graham Onions.

    If Anderson gets injured, you can bet Onions will be over within 24 hours and in the test team.

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 2, 2013, 16:52 GMT

    I like the look of Rankin and get the feeling he might well become test match quality. I hadn't realised that he was a poor fielder and useless with the bat but England should be able to rely on their top order so it shouldn't be an issue. It is not as settled an England side as some would have us believe so it will make for interesting times.

  • CricketingStargazer on November 2, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    I just wonder if England might decide to open with Carberry and Cook and put Joe Root back at #6 where he seems more comfortable. However, as this was very much a 2nd XI playing on a track that made the pitches in Bangladesh for the recent series against New Zealand look lively, no one has really learnt much that they did not already know. I suspect that Stokes and Balance will not play again before the ODIs after the Tests. Tremlett is not the Tremlett of 2010, but will be better for the workout in this game, as will Finn and Rankin.

    There are two more games to go. The idea is to be ready for Brisbane. I would trust Andy Flower to know what he's doing here.

  • sillypointandshortleg on November 2, 2013, 15:52 GMT

    I agree that Onions should have gone; accurate line and length bowlers, who strangle the scoring rate, force errors at the other end. If the weather is blisteringly hot England should play four not three seamers. Over the years I have watched them wilt in such weather. I know it leaves the team a batsman short, but to win a team has to take twenty wickets.

  • 2.14istherunrate on November 2, 2013, 15:08 GMT

    Given this was a 3 day fixture England did reasonably in asmuch as the two main men made 100's. It may be a bit of a narrow view but I would rather that than they fail and the fringe players had made the runs. It was useful too to get a second bowl.

  • jmcilhinney on November 2, 2013, 14:47 GMT

    @Mitty2 on (November 2, 2013, 12:59 GMT), I think that he was replying @whensdrinks on (November 2, 2013, 11:57 GMT), indicating that England-born players won the game at Durham for England on a pitch that was more suited to seamers. To imply that England only won because of pitches doctored for Swann is burying one's head in the sand somewhat, as well as ignoring the weather conditions in England. Were all the pitches in the County Championship, which were also much drier than usual, doctored for Swann as well? If the Test pitches had been drastically different to the CC pitches then there might be an argument but they weren't, so it's just an excuse. We're talking about England and Australia, not some subcontinent team. Even if the pitches were doctored, any self-respecting Australian fan should still be too ashamed to hide behind that excuse and admit that Australia couldn't handle England's spinner on any surface.

  • CodandChips on November 2, 2013, 14:23 GMT

    I would still stick with Balance. Didn't Compton get a duck in the first warm up game last year?

    Hard to make judgements after 1 game but maybe the decision to overlook championship performance of the likes of Onions and Jordan could later hurt us. But there are still 2 warm up games and Australia aren't exactly a settled batting line up but do have attacking players to exploit poor bowling. I still think they'll pick Rankin.

    Root should stay as an opener- it is his trade.

  • on November 2, 2013, 14:16 GMT

    Bet Andy Flower wishes he had Nick Compton there now...

  • on November 2, 2013, 13:24 GMT

    Tremlett is pretty much a no-brainer for the 3rd seamer. Carberry should open and root drop down to no.6, unless England opt for 5 bowlers then Finn will probably be recalled, and Root would retain the opening slot

  • Jaffa79 on November 2, 2013, 13:10 GMT

    Whendrinks...so the attack doesn't worry does it? We all know about Anderson and Swann's prowess but you think Broad doesn't worry you? He ran through you guys at Durham and averaged 27 throughout the series. Bresnan? Averages 24 against you. Finn has looked erratic granted but Rankin bowled well in the ODIs and will step up and Tremlett will hopefully get back to his best (when he went through your hapless top order last Ashes for example). England dominant in all departments. I agree that an injury to Jimmy would leave us exposed but what will happen when Harris finally brakes down for good? Its ok! MJ is back!!! Brilliant news oh and Doug the rug is being touted again (if he doesn't hit any 'walls' before the Tests!!) By the way, I hope Ahmed and Khawaja play well for you guys...

  • Mitty2 on November 2, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    @geoffreysmother, was there meant to be a point there or did I just miss it?

  • GeoffreysMother on November 2, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    when drinks - Broad, Bresnan, Durham - Australia lost... again.

  • landl47 on November 2, 2013, 12:42 GMT

    The only real positive for England was that Bell and Trott made runs and the WAXI's bowlers couldn't get them out. Other than that, it was disappointing that Ballance, Prior and Stokes didn't do anything and Finn was wayward, although Finn has shown in the past that he bowls better the more he bowls. I don't think Tremlett is close to a place in the side; Rankin might be the best of the bowlers competing for the 3rd seamer spot, but like Panesar he can't bat or field, so he needs to be a good deal better than the others to win a place.

    The next game will hopefully show some improvement as England bring in the key players (Cook, Pietersen, Swann, Broad) and get a little more acclimatized.

  • jmcilhinney on November 2, 2013, 12:06 GMT

    As well as needing to improve with both bat and ball, England need to improve their catching as well. It's been poor ever since they played WI at home two summers ago and they dropped chances, albeit some difficult, in both innings here. I expect this Ashes series to be close and one dropped catch could decide the series. If they drop catches regularly, as they did against SA at home in 2012, then this series could end up the way that one did.

  • jmcilhinney on November 2, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    Nothing much to write home about from this game for England but I guess that's why they have scheduled 3 warm-ups. Looking ahead to Hobart, Cook will obviously come in for the next game, presumably replacing Carberry. That's a little unlucky as he's the only one who showed much other than Trott and Bell but he was always a long shot to play. KP will also come in and I'd expect Bell to get a rest so that they can bring in Bairstow but also let one of Ballance and Stokes play again. Broad and Swann will come and I'd expect Anderson to be rested as well. That would mean two of Finn, Tremlett and Rankin would play. Ranking seems to have firmed as favourite to play the first Test so they'll need to choose between Finn and Tremlett, neither of whom impressed. If they do rest Anderson then Stokes might get the nod over Ballance to add some bowling cover, although Stokes didn't impress with the ball here either.

  • whensdrinks on November 2, 2013, 11:57 GMT

    Millhouse79 - if England did not have so many garbage cricketers they wouldn't need to stack their team with South Africans or produce wickets that look like Dubai. Not a great hit out by the Commonwealth Invitational IX, apart from Swan and Anderson the attack looks weak. The POMS would be praying that Anderson doesn't break down as they wont get doctored pitches for Swan and the rest of the attack wouldn't scare most Sheffield Shield sides.

  • on November 2, 2013, 11:37 GMT

    A few days ago I openly stated that I believed he should be in the Australian A Team, after smashing the NSW bowlers in the Ryobi Cup, and was overtly criticised.

  • JG2704 on November 2, 2013, 11:31 GMT

    Re the 3rd seamer spot , I'd say Rankin is now in the box seat although I'm still not totally convinced. For me , Onions omission is the one definite bad decision. I've said before that he's better cover for Jimmy than any of the lankies. But another thing that springs to mind was a decision the selectors themselves made on the last Ashes tour. I believe Finn was the leading wicket taker when he was controversially left out for Bresnan - with the selectors seeing Bresnan as giving them more control. It turned out to be a great decision. This time round Finn and co aren't bowling as well and they have no one in the squad to come in to do the Bres job. So for me the selectors are limiting their options. Also Broad can extract pace and bounce if he's on his game

  • JG2704 on November 2, 2013, 11:29 GMT

    For me (and I guess most others) there are 2 places up for grabs. The number 6 spot and the 4th seamer.

    Re the number 6 spot - there is no obvious choice. Personally I'd have had Woakes out there instead of Stokes - despite his 1 test being less than impressive. So I wonder if they'll somehow try all 3 candidates in the next game , which might be at the expense of one of our established batsmen shedding the rust. Many are saying that Root should drop down with Nick opening with Cook. I can see reasons for and against this. But IMO once they made the decision they probably need to stick with it. It may be giving negative signals if you move it all around at this stage and also Root's mega CC form early 2013 was as an opener. I wonder if Jonny may be our best option out there after all. He certainly hasn't made the spot his own but he was part of 2 pivotal lower middle partnerships this year and has the Ashes experience.

  • RandyOZ on November 2, 2013, 11:28 GMT

    England may have tall bowlers but they do not have good bowlers (minus Anderson). This 3rd string WA attack almost beat them. A sign of things to come? Absolutely nothing in the shed for the United XI so they had better hope Bell fires again.

  • JG2704 on November 2, 2013, 11:26 GMT

    I guess it's one of those games where the fan can draw whatever conclusions they want to.

    Certainly a less than ideal start from an England point of view. Re the bowlers , Rankin's figures looked the best - but maybe the best of a bad bunch.

    Re the batsmen , it seems like a shocking collapse by the lower middle order/tail.

    The positives are that (on the scorecard) the bowlers (without Jimmy) showed some improvement - although that maybe because the Aus batsmen relaxed a bit. I suppose also that 2 of the 3 definite starting batsmen both scored unbeaten (technically) tons.

  • Jaffa79 on November 2, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    Good run out for the boys. Bowlers need to step it up a bit and it would've been good for Prior, Stokes and Ballance to get some runs but nothing to get worried about. I suspect some Aussies on these pages who have been bereft of success in the last year (or 5 years if we are talking Ashes) are going to talk it up but let us not carried away. If the Aussies had lots of depth in their batting ranks, they wouldn't have to resort to picking garbage like Cowan or Hughes or T20 sloggers like Warner. Seeing as this series is likely to be Clarke and Rogers' last Ashes, I'd say they are desperate for some young batters to come along and replace them and the aforementioned 30 averaging left handed 'batsmen'.

  • 64blip on November 2, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Considering what England really need from the third seamer is control, the economy figures are the most disappointing. I don't think Graham Onions will be feeling any better. Good to see Trott turning a start into a ton.

  • on November 2, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    Think Finn May have been confused by his coaches,which happened to Anderson at about the same age. However,he already has an impressive Test record at 24,needs to get his confidence back, Dropped catches don't help. On balance though,the decision to omit Onions may haunt the selectors ?

  • azzaman333 on November 2, 2013, 11:01 GMT

    Good to see Lynn batting well again after his horror injury that clearly affected his form last season.

  • MarkTaffin on November 2, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    Oh, the irony if Root ends up getting booted back down to six! What will Michael Vaughan say? Where will Flower be when the team is announced? Did the selectors really discuss Carberry for Trent Bridge....?!

  • ZCFOutkast on November 2, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    Two high profile fixtures with the English senior team and two ducks for Gary Ballance. Absolute pleasure seeing him fail!! With Carberry doing well and Joe Root's rot persisting, we might see Carberry opening with Cook, while whoever does better between Bairstow&Root will occupy that #6 slot. Root's previous recent success there might give him the nod. So much hinges on Carberry. Gary Ballance already looking like 3rd in line for that middle order position, possibly fourth behind Stokes if extreme conditions deem Swann&Monty surplus to requirements. Might as well get a ticket and WATCH the Rhinos play Logan Cup in Zimbabwe son!

  • on November 2, 2013, 10:50 GMT

    Quick! Reschedule the Ashes! Have the Ashes start on Wednesday instead of the A game!

  • Mitty2 on November 2, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    Well done Chris Lynn! Not even in his state team and he performs this well. A few Shield previews floating around talked about his and Marcus Harris' potential - which surprised me considering their records - but after this match their ability is well and truly established! Harris is a great striker of the ball whilst being technically sound and the same goes for Lynn. Both attacked the English line up and set the platform - and the Eng attack struggled to stop the runs and counter them. I was also really impressed with Mitchell Marsh's batting and I was surprised at his technique which was almost classical - I thought him with his 20 FC average to be your straight forward t20 slogger. Guess when the pitches aren't all green monsters we actually get to see the potential of our young batsmen.

    Finn was still dreadful and Tremlett still completely innocuous. However, Rankin bowled very well today and so Eng have a positive. Prior's choice of shot was terrible. He has no form whatsoever.

  • RednWhiteArmy on November 2, 2013, 10:35 GMT

    Good little workout session for England considering there was no Cook, KP, Swann & Bresnan. Still two more warm up games to go to finalize the 1st team. Good job the good folk at cricinfo aint the teams coach cos they would have firmly hit the panic button as a result of England drawing their first 3 day warm up game at their least favorite ground on earth. Get a grip.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 2, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    It simply proves that Compton should be there opening; Root should be down in the middle with Bell and support the bowling with his spin; Prior needs to find form; and Onions should be there instead of lanky metronomic bowling machines that have done very little for the last few months to justify a place on the tour at all. With the exception of Prior finding form, the same conclusions will be raised in all remaining warm-up games.

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  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 2, 2013, 10:33 GMT

    It simply proves that Compton should be there opening; Root should be down in the middle with Bell and support the bowling with his spin; Prior needs to find form; and Onions should be there instead of lanky metronomic bowling machines that have done very little for the last few months to justify a place on the tour at all. With the exception of Prior finding form, the same conclusions will be raised in all remaining warm-up games.

  • RednWhiteArmy on November 2, 2013, 10:35 GMT

    Good little workout session for England considering there was no Cook, KP, Swann & Bresnan. Still two more warm up games to go to finalize the 1st team. Good job the good folk at cricinfo aint the teams coach cos they would have firmly hit the panic button as a result of England drawing their first 3 day warm up game at their least favorite ground on earth. Get a grip.

  • Mitty2 on November 2, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    Well done Chris Lynn! Not even in his state team and he performs this well. A few Shield previews floating around talked about his and Marcus Harris' potential - which surprised me considering their records - but after this match their ability is well and truly established! Harris is a great striker of the ball whilst being technically sound and the same goes for Lynn. Both attacked the English line up and set the platform - and the Eng attack struggled to stop the runs and counter them. I was also really impressed with Mitchell Marsh's batting and I was surprised at his technique which was almost classical - I thought him with his 20 FC average to be your straight forward t20 slogger. Guess when the pitches aren't all green monsters we actually get to see the potential of our young batsmen.

    Finn was still dreadful and Tremlett still completely innocuous. However, Rankin bowled very well today and so Eng have a positive. Prior's choice of shot was terrible. He has no form whatsoever.

  • on November 2, 2013, 10:50 GMT

    Quick! Reschedule the Ashes! Have the Ashes start on Wednesday instead of the A game!

  • ZCFOutkast on November 2, 2013, 10:53 GMT

    Two high profile fixtures with the English senior team and two ducks for Gary Ballance. Absolute pleasure seeing him fail!! With Carberry doing well and Joe Root's rot persisting, we might see Carberry opening with Cook, while whoever does better between Bairstow&Root will occupy that #6 slot. Root's previous recent success there might give him the nod. So much hinges on Carberry. Gary Ballance already looking like 3rd in line for that middle order position, possibly fourth behind Stokes if extreme conditions deem Swann&Monty surplus to requirements. Might as well get a ticket and WATCH the Rhinos play Logan Cup in Zimbabwe son!

  • MarkTaffin on November 2, 2013, 10:54 GMT

    Oh, the irony if Root ends up getting booted back down to six! What will Michael Vaughan say? Where will Flower be when the team is announced? Did the selectors really discuss Carberry for Trent Bridge....?!

  • azzaman333 on November 2, 2013, 11:01 GMT

    Good to see Lynn batting well again after his horror injury that clearly affected his form last season.

  • on November 2, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    Think Finn May have been confused by his coaches,which happened to Anderson at about the same age. However,he already has an impressive Test record at 24,needs to get his confidence back, Dropped catches don't help. On balance though,the decision to omit Onions may haunt the selectors ?

  • 64blip on November 2, 2013, 11:06 GMT

    Considering what England really need from the third seamer is control, the economy figures are the most disappointing. I don't think Graham Onions will be feeling any better. Good to see Trott turning a start into a ton.

  • Jaffa79 on November 2, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    Good run out for the boys. Bowlers need to step it up a bit and it would've been good for Prior, Stokes and Ballance to get some runs but nothing to get worried about. I suspect some Aussies on these pages who have been bereft of success in the last year (or 5 years if we are talking Ashes) are going to talk it up but let us not carried away. If the Aussies had lots of depth in their batting ranks, they wouldn't have to resort to picking garbage like Cowan or Hughes or T20 sloggers like Warner. Seeing as this series is likely to be Clarke and Rogers' last Ashes, I'd say they are desperate for some young batters to come along and replace them and the aforementioned 30 averaging left handed 'batsmen'.