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'India are the most disputed No. 1'

The next few months will offer exciting Test cricket between the world's best teams. Will a definitive No. 1 emerge? John Buchanan, Mickey Arthur and Sharda Ugra discuss the issue (15:44)

Producers: Akhila Ranganna and Siddhartha Talya

September 28, 2010

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Posted by   on (September 29 2010, 14:51 PM GMT)

Yup, let someone else get to no. 1 and then let's talk, cant see that happening in near future

Posted by   on (September 29 2010, 05:05 AM GMT)

Seriously,...why is there so much dispute just because India is No. 1? We are playing by the same rules as anyone else. Further, India has beaten Australia more often than Australia has beaten India in the last 10 years. It's time for Aussies to just accept the fact that the rules are what they are and play hard to dislodge India from No. 1

Posted by   on (September 28 2010, 23:39 PM GMT)

Its a good talk really.. But at this stage,no one team is disputed or undisputed No.1 at a Stretched period of time, like WI did in 70-80's or Aussies on late 90's and last decade.. India is good.. But can't be consistent.. The way Australia have that quality of keeping the pressure on alll sides, they wil prevail for long time, no matter that they are fresh inexperienced side. Take India for example, if Sachin, Dravid, Laxman goes out, then India have a tough tme ahead.. i'd Say SA and Aussies have the bext chance..

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (September 28 2010, 20:56 PM GMT)

@Jay, but you see the Aus side that you are talking about were the best at bowling and probably only 2nd to SA in fielding even b-4 they eventually beat Ind in Ind. They also had several strings of winning streaks, not drawing streaks, winning streaks. Ind may have been able to get away with the tag of #1 if they could boast top fielding and top bowling but they just simply cannot. @Gopal, again u are making the argument of #1 RANK and #1, don't mix them up. When u look at Ind's win-loss ratio, is it that much better than some others? SA only lost ONE series to Aus in recent times, 2x drawing series in Ind. Aus only lost TWO in recent times and Eng similarly only lost 3. In the time space Ind lost ONE in Sri Lanka. So looking at it u have Ind losing 1, SA losing 1, Aus 2 and Eng 3. So Ind have the #1 RANK but can u say they are truly better than the other close contenders, especially when they haven't beaten SA anywhere, nor won in Aus. Its too close to say for sure, very disputable.

Posted by SaifQazi on (September 28 2010, 19:00 PM GMT)

the chase for Number 1 is sumthin will be seein for sum time in the future n its good for the game if v look at it as a cricket lover. the closest i think that can be Number 1 at present is South Africa. its a shame that they didnt continue as expected from them after late 2008, bt their failure to be consistent has actually opened doors for teams like India, Sri Lanka, England, and even Australia isnt too far away. i think the next 2yrs will be very interestin for Test Cricket, with India havin to go through wat Australia is going through now (rebuilding process) and a chance for teams like Sri Lanka and England to prove whether they r consistent or no. n 2ndly being a Pakistani as well as cricket lover, i would dearly want Pakistan team to do well also, though alot will be mockin me for wat i have said n rightly so coz the chances r low. bt really a settled Pakistani team, free from ne on or off field controversies, would always add alot of spice into cricket.

Posted by   on (September 28 2010, 17:58 PM GMT)

Completely agree with u anoopshameed, India's the best of the lot end of story. At least India didnt get to no. 1 by default (For eg. SA went to no 1 after losing to Aus at home and only after Aus lost the ashes). The last series India lost was to Sri Lanka in 2008!! Cmon ppl its one thing to say there's no one dominating yet, but another to demean the team which is the best. India would've been no 1 even earlier if not for Sydneygate. Anyways lets see what happens in the next few series, hope its all clear and puts an end to this nonsense

Posted by   on (September 28 2010, 17:10 PM GMT)

One thing I'd like to ask is when OZ's were on top they were also missing test series win in India and that did not come through till 2005. None really said OZ's are the disputed no. 1 Test Side (make no mistakes - they were a great test side) The point I'm making is when you're no. 1 side it means you've been consistent enough during the time period and you have a high win ratio compare to the others. In the process, if you beat every other team in their backyard - that's a wonderful achievement (one should look to do that) but by missing out on it should not trigger everyone to say you're no.1 spot doesn't make much of a sense and you're a most disputed no.1 test side.

Posted by fueltofire on (September 28 2010, 16:11 PM GMT)

Indian Cricket still requires paramount time to become unarguably the no 1 team in the world...their ranking at the top of the icc table can exist only if they become the best bowling & fielding side.....& it is this combination that has to win us matches rather than the mighty bat in the hands of our batsmen that sends the ball sailing inti the crowd.....if these three can coexist then we can walk with our heads held high as the champions......

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (September 28 2010, 14:40 PM GMT)

The panel for the most part do present the points clearly. It is OBVIOUS there is no clear cut #1. I always say the #1 rank and the undisputed #1 tag are 2 completely different things. The FTP is not good 1st of all. The reason why very few (outside Ind of course) see Ind as the #1 team is due to the fact that they are no where close to how Aus 1995-2006/7 and W.I 70's-95 were. These 2 teams were almost unbeatable in ANY conditions. Ind, who remain poor in the field and very inconsistent with bowling, twice fought to draw series vs SA in Ind and still failed to beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka (very close to Ind conditions) in recent times. SA you will have to say most flattered to deceive because after winning a string of tough away series and claiming strong batting, the best bowling and by far the best fielding, they lost to Aus in SA and then only drew with Eng (although the foolishly prepped batting wkts which suited Eng). I disagree they have an aging prob, most their side is U30!

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'India are the most disputed No. 1'

September 28, 2010
The Indian team and management celebrate going No. 1, India v Sri Lanka, 3rd Test, Mumbai, 5th day, December 6, 2009
India are yet to win a Test series in Australia and South Africa © Associated Press

The concept of a Test championship has gained momentum recently with the ICC considering a four-year cycle for a play-off event between the top Test teams. In the coming months, ahead of the 2011 World Cup, Test cricket takes centre stage again with several top teams taking each other on in what could possibly serve as a prelude to the proposed championship. India play Australia in October, South Africa take on Pakistan followed by India, Australia host the Ashes, while Sri Lanka face up to a struggling West Indies. Which of these teams is likely to top the table at the end of these series? Is there a possibility of Test cricket returning to a unipolar age where one team dominated the format, or are the teams too closely matched for that to happen? Will there be a definitive No. 1? And are the current rankings, with India at the top, a fair reflection of how the world's best teams actually stack up? We spoke to former South Africa coach Mickey Arthur, former Australia coach John Buchanan, and ESPNcricinfo senior editor Sharda Ugra for their views

Mickey Arthur: I was fortunate when we [South Africa] managed to get to No.1 in the world in both forms of the game. We knew we had India in India, England in England, Australia in Australia all in that year. We knew we had to go and beat those sides in their own conditions to really claim that undisputed No. 1 ranking. Until India beat South Africa in South Africa and win their next series in Australia, I'm not 100% sure they can be the undisputed No. 1 team in the world. As I said, the home ground factor plays such a huge role.

John Buchanan: One of the measures of being regarded as the dominant side in world cricket and then as the No. 1 side in cricket is that you need to demonstrate your ability to play well not only at home but when you tour, and it is that consistency that all sides strive for. Certainly India in South Africa would love to play well enough to win a series in a country that is challenging. India always has the potential. If they can get their systems and processes far more consistent then they really pose a threat to everybody around world cricket.

Sharda Ugra: India are certainly not the undisputed No. 1 in the world; you could say that they are the most disputed No. 1 in the world. They haven't won the big-ticket series in the big-ticket countries. They did win in England in 2007 but the two southern-hemisphere series that you have to dominate if you are to be considered the No. 1 side in the world are South Africa and Australia and that is what they have to do. They have the next two seasons to prove they belong at that particular spot. Do they have their weaknesses? This is almost a precarious time for them because their best batsmen are heading towards the end of their careers - the middle order, which has actually strengthened the way they play abroad. They made enough runs for no matter what the bowling attack to take those 20 wickets and win Tests abroad. That is going to be the test. India will always manage series by series to find a couple of bowlers who can pull off something. But it is the batting that is going to raise issues, particularly when they go to Australia towards the end of next year.

Australia dominated world cricket for much of the late nineties and most of the decade gone by. But since the retirements of several of their experienced players, their fortunes have significantly declined. They were beaten on their previous visit to India, they lost a home Test series for the first time in 16 years, lost the Ashes in 2009, and were most recently held to a 1-1 draw by Pakistan. Can their younger cricketers trigger a revival against India? And in the long run, are they capable of replicating the supremacy they enjoyed?

JB: I think they have a good chance of winning that series. A lot would depend on how their bowlers adapt to the conditions because they rely on their pace attack quite a deal, and how disciplined that pace attack can be. That is, if they have particular plans and strategies and how long they are able to stick to those. That series will be very much determined by the contest between Australia's bowlers and India's batsmen. Australian batsmen should basically bat well, given they have played there quite a bit both in the long form of the game as well as the short form - that is, the IPL.

In 2004 we had our plans and we stuck to those plans and certain players performed well individually, which gave us a chance to win that series. In terms of Australia going forward, they are one of the countries with good processes, good planning of what's ahead of them in the next four or five years and can certainly regain their dominance around world cricket but they have to contend with England because they have been putting some very good things behind their international side of late.

SU: I think Australia does have the chance to become the No. 1 team again. I am not speaking specifically about making their way up the ICC rankings, which can be a bit strange and skewed at times. But they certainly have a chance to begin to be, not Steve Waugh's team, but certainly the team everyone wants to chase and beat. What people seem to discount about Australia is that they almost seem to have an institution about the way they compete. They do have sort of a great fighting spirit, which sounds a bit of a cliché, but every time you look at how they perform when the chips are down, you do know it is something they have built in them.

 
 
"One of my biggest regrets was that once we got to that No. 1 mantle, we had achieved the end goal and we couldn't lift for the following year. I think South Africa certainly have the ability to win anywhere. As long as the players remain hungry, and as long as our top players remain in form, South Africa will be formidable" Mickey Arthur, former South Africa coach
 

MA: I see this Australian team doing really well. They have the personnel. Australia are always going to be very strong. I don't think Australia are going to dominate like they did through the end of the 1990s or the early 2000s. But they do have the personnel to win tough Test series and to win them well anywhere, both home and away.

The team to dethrone Australia from the No. 1 position was South Africa. The bowling of Dale Steyn and Morne Morkel, the leadership of Graeme Smith and the success of the likes of AB de Villiers and Hashim Amla have made South Africa one of the best touring teams around. They've drawn level in India, won in England and Australia, and most recently brushed aside West Indies in the Caribbean. Arthur and Buchanan differed about their chances.

MA: One of my biggest regrets was that once we got to that No. 1 mantle, we had achieved that end goal and we couldn't lift for the following year. I think South Africa certainly have the ability to win anywhere. As long as the players remain hungry, and as long as our top players remain in form, South Africa will be formidable. One key thing to switching and playing in different conditions is to know your gameplans in those different conditions and adapt to those conditions very quickly. Often it's a mental shift. I know when we've gone to play Test series away, mentally the guys have had to shift their focus very quickly depending on what conditions they're playing in.

JB: South Arica are always challenging. Over the next 12-18 months or so they may lose some of their key senior players, which could well mitigate their potential to consistently succeed around the world. They have shown in the past they are quite consistent - perhaps not that consistent away from home but that is not different to most sides. I think one of the things they might struggle with over the next few years is the exodus of certain key players. I don't really see the depth of talent coming through compared to what they had in the past.

England have been impressive at home, regaining the Ashes in 2009 and upstaging Pakistan quite comfortably in the recently concluded Test series. Graeme Swann has emerged as a match-winning spinner and Eoin Morgan and Steven Finn have been major finds this summer, while James Anderson and Stuart Broad have formed a highly potent fast-bowling combination. But performances overseas have been inconsistent. Can this team measure up to Australia Down Under later this year and cast aside the memory of the 5-0 defeat in 2007?

JB: Well, that would put them on the right path of course. But even if they beat Australia, it would only show that they've been a consistent Test performer against one or two countries for a period of some 12 or 18 months. To be, in my opinion, ranked as a No. 1 nation, to dominate world cricket for at least a minimum of four years, they'd have to beat a lot of other countries in a lot of other countries as well over the next couple of years. I think it will be a very closely fought series again. The series will be determined by the contest between the top four or five batsmen in either side and the opening bowling combinations. Whichever side can consistently either take wickets or consistently put together strong partnerships will be the side that will ultimately become victorious in the Ashes series.

SU: This Ashes series for them is going to be a test of everything: of their ambition, of their fortitude and whether they can actually do it. Every time a team comes to a point where it is either make or break for them and you do know what they are made of, the English have been stuck with this reputation of "They can't win in a tough situation", particularly when they are not playing in a comfortable environment. Winning the World Twenty20 will have done a lot for the general spirit of the team.

MA: England have got a realistic chance. It's going to be a very hard-fought series. If I was a betting man, I'd have my money slightly on Australia, just for the fact that they're playing at home. But England have shown unbelievable form through the last 12 months. They seem to have something really good going. They seem to have a structured team. They're a team that works well under Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower. So they're going to be a tough, formidable opposition for Australia. I can't see the series being 5-0, but if I had to say who was going to slightly edge it, I'd have to say Australia.

Ricky Ponting and Andrew Strauss with the trophy and Ashes urn, England v Australia, 1st Test, Cardiff, July 7, 2009
Buchanan: "The Ashes will be determined by the contest between the top four or five batsmen on either side and the opening bowling combinations" © Getty Images

Sri Lanka are a strong side at home but have been deprived of opportunities of playing away. Mahela Jayawardene, currently their most experienced player, has never played a Test at the MCG, and last played a Test series in South Africa in 2002. Buchanan, however, believes they have the potential to be No. 1 with their ability to churn out quality spinners even after the retirement of Muttiah Muralitharan, and the presence of several experienced players.

SU: That has been Sri Lanka's disadvantage - that they really haven't travelled enough. They haven't travelled to Australia and South Africa and played a lengthy series there for a long enough time. That is something the rest of the world is to blame for. Winning at home after some time becomes a staple that you have to do. You would look at all these results, of teams winning abroad and think that home advantage doesn't mean anything more, but in Sri Lanka it does. But for them to be the No. 1 team in the world you would want a ranking system to be structured in such a way that there are two factors. Firstly they can play abroad in all the major countries, and secondly, you only become No. 1 if you have an adequate number of home and away wins. If Sri Lanka were going to become the No. 1 team in the world in this last series against India that would have been completely skewed and unfair because they haven't had a well-structured calendar, and that is why you need the FTP to be organised in such a way that there is an even spread of home and away contests for all the teams in cricket.

Given how closely matched these teams are and how difficult it is to predict the outcome of their upcoming contests, is the era of one team dominating the format over? Or can the pre-eminence that West Indies and Australia enjoyed be repeated?

JB: Yes, I think that is possible. I say that because to really dominate in any particular field there is a lot of planning that goes into the process of winning. Not just in the short term but over a period of time. What, for me, determines a ranking of No. 1 is not one season or one year but the fact that you're actually ranked that way for a number of years in all different parts of the world. So I think that is possible but it requires a tremendous amount of planning in so far as looking at your schedule, your players, talent-identification systems, support systems and so on. But I think there are teams like Australia, England, potentially India, who have the wherewithal in terms of at least talent and the proper systems behind that to be No. 1 over a number of years.

SU: It does look as though the "super team" has run its course - the massively dominant team that can rule over decades. I think it is possibly because a lot of the other teams are catching up. They are figuring out all the stuff that, say, the Australians did particularly well. West Indies had a really special reign because they had this great generation of fast bowlers. I think teams are understanding overall that if they can produce bowling attacks that can take 20 wickets in all kinds of environments, they have a chance to win everywhere.

MA: I think you could have one team emerge eventually down the line but all your top four teams at the moment are very closely matched. A lot depends on who plays who at what venue. For India in South Africa, you've got to back South Africa. But then you go play India in India - you're obviously going to back them. Home advantage plays a huge role, and for once in world cricket you've got four teams evenly matched, which augurs so well for Test cricket.

The next few months promise some intriguing Test cricket between the world's strongest teams. The greater parity between them, compared to the previous decades, has made the prospect of a Test Championship all the more exciting. With Siddhartha Talya, this is Akhila Ranganna for ESPNcricinfo.



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