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Part eleven: Martin Crowe on Sachin Tendulkar's finely calibrated footwork, and his positive approach across formats (05:42)

August 19, 2014

Posted by swarzi on (August 27, 2014, 18:30 GMT)

Continued: I note also that Crifan 24 is saying that Lara never made a 100 against Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram before 2002. I think he needs to look at the records. In 1992, when Lara met the 2Ws for the first time at Melbourne in Australia, he scored 88 not out. In 1993, when he met them at Durban in South Africa, he won the match by making 128 and was man of the match. In 1993 again, in the match immediately after the Durban match, while playing against Allan Donald and Co. at Bloemfortein in South Africa, he won the match for WI by scoring 118 and was man of the match again (in consecutive matches). In 1993 again, when he met Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram at Kingston in Jamaica, he won the match for WI again by scoring 114, and was man of the match again. In 1993 again, he scored 153 against Wazim Akram and Waqar Younis once again at Sharja and won the game for WI, beingman of the match once again. This is what they're talking about when they say Lara wins matches. Research please

Posted by swarzi on (August 27, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

Gentlemen, when I assess cricketers, I take my cue from their performances in test cricket, the purest format of the game. And based on what I'm seeing here, after Tendulkar's 51 hundreds and his 15000+ (most 100s and runs in test cricket), he has no other record than to say, he played the most matches, the most innings, the most years, etc. The latter 'mosts' are not performance records which a player would be proud of, except that Sachin loves anything being called record. Then when you look at Lara's test record, he's miles ahead of Tendulkar, once it's done within the same dispensation when they competed against each other. And while I too agree that they cannot be compared in ODIs due to the main positions where they batted, a look at their records in ODIs would still give Lara the edge. Because Lara's avge as a middle order batsman and as a opener the few times in ODIs is the same (approx 40). Tendulkar on the other hand has an avge of 43 when he opens, but 29.8 as middle order!

Posted by IPSY on (August 27, 2014, 13:39 GMT)

CricFan, In my opinion, the hundred 100s that you all are talking about is not any record. The reason being that lots of other batsmen have scored a hundred 100 before Tendulkar. But even though some of their 100s were scored in first class matches, the oppositions in those first class matches were much better teams that either Namibia or Kenya whom Tendulkar has scored all of 5 of those 100s against. How do you think a man like Geoff Boycott who scored one hundred 100s in county matches against international bowlers of the calibre of Lilee, Marshall, Imran Khan, Joel Garner, etc feel, when it is said that Tendulkar is the only batsman who has scored on hundred international 100s, knowing that some of those 100s were scored against the Namibians who don't even play cricket? So what happen to the 100s that they scored against the world class bowlers?

Posted by CricFan24 on (August 27, 2014, 7:15 GMT)

The comparison of Lara to Sehwag extends to the Not outs as well.Both have 6. Yet noone bothers about Sehwag. I guess when you are attacking and all goes your way -people go "great" ! But when the same process leads to the batsman getting out then the fanboys want a means of neutralizing other batsmen with stouter defences. Kind of like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

Posted by CricFan24 on (August 27, 2014, 6:28 GMT)

And ZA77- I do not wish to go into records here. There is not enough room to fit in SRTs achievements and records. These will boggle the mind for generations to come.

Posted by CricFan24 on (August 27, 2014, 6:24 GMT)

IPSY and ZA77- same? So - the thing is now Lara had a few great patches and made sure to score when things went his away. Almost same as Sehwag...Almost all the the few points you make about Lara are contained with Sehwag- just that Sehwag scored even faster. ...You have studiously avoided the numerous points I have put forward re. how SRT was better than Lara ,for longer ...against all opposition, all conditions, all formats...As mentioned only 2 records will stand the test of time - 99.94 and 100 100s...And also the fact that both were made over entire careers- not individual spot points...And that the career spanned a quarter of a century and featured excellence against everyone in all formats ,everywhere for a period of time unimaginable by future generations.

Posted by IPSY on (August 27, 2014, 6:19 GMT)

Cont'd: CricFan24, Hear how ridiculously unfair your lousy grudge for Lara has become: You want to remove his 400 from his records and still calculate his avge via the total 231 remaining inngs to give him an avge below 50 (you say). But you're leaving Tendulkar with all his 15000+ runs and calculating his average minus his not outs to give him his full 53+ avge! What juvenile thinking? Well, the bad news for you is that if even you do Lara all that wickedness you're suggesting, and leave Tendulkar with all his runs, but calculate his avge via his total 329 innings, he will still avge less than Lara. You see, no matter what you do, in any kind of analysis of batting, you'll still find that Lara is way ahead of Tendulkar; and that's the gospel truth. Remember also, that Lara played 130 test matches (230 inngs); and not 131 (232 inngs). That exhibition match against the Aussies must be removed from his and other people's records; unless ICC makes every exhibition match official.

Posted by CricFan24 on (August 27, 2014, 6:16 GMT)

ZA77-The beter comparison to Lara is actually Sehwag...Both played the same style and attack throughout. If it clicked -great. Using 500 runs in a series is arbitrary. For eg. SRT has 490 in some.This also depends on how many innings in a series- how much of it a batsman got to play.i.e was he "allowed" to complete his Not outs etc.i.e a completely arbitrary measure. ...As mentioned a better comparison to Lara is Sehwag. Both very attacking against spin and weaknesses against raw pace. Both better home than away Both made sure to mile an innings when in as much as possible. Actually Sehwag was even more attacking than Lara. Sehwag was effectively Lara on steroids - in both Tests and ODIs.

Posted by CricFan24 on (August 27, 2014, 6:11 GMT)

SRT s total internationl run tally and 100s tally is 25% and 41% better than the next best - over an entire career. As mentioned - and very importantly - this has been achieved over a quarter of a century - in all conditions, all formats, all comers, all countries, So -There are only 2 unbreakable records in cricket - 99.94 and 100 100s." As mentioned - a thorough cricket education would serve one in good stead. One may enjoy Lara's flamboyance and some great innings ( so do i)- but once careers are placed in perspective it is Bradman/SRT...then the rest.

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