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Nottinghamshire stars barred from IPL deals

Andrew McGlashan

December 21, 2012

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Alex Hales tried to get England's chase moving, England v West Indies, World Twenty20 2012, Super Eights, Pallekele, September 27, 2012
Alex Hales has enjoyed a productive year for England but will not heading to the IPL © Getty Images

Nottinghamshire have told three of their England players - Michael Lumb, Alex Hales and Samit Patel - that they will not be able to pursue interest in taking part in the IPL next year.

The trio, who are all part of England's current Twenty20 squad in India, had been keen to try and secure deals in the tournament which runs in April and May, therefore clashing with the start of the English domestic season. Of the three only Lumb has previous IPL experience with Rajasthan Royals and Deccan Chargers.

It is by no means certain that any of them would have been picked up for the IPL although Hales has consolidated his England place this year with consistent scoring including a 26-ball fifty in the first T20 against India in Pune. On Thursday Hales was bought in the BPL auction, from which Lumb withdrew his name.

Mick Newell, Nottinghamshire's director of cricket, said: "We were very clear that we expected all of our players to be available to us as we would be severely weakened if we were to lose them for that period of time at that stage of the season.

"The players asked me to consider releasing them to enable them to take part in the IPL but they are key members of the squad and I explained that we wouldn't be able to allow them to take part."

Nottinghamshire's stance continues the uneasy relationship between English cricket and the IPL. Although the county game has not seen an early-season mass exodus to India, it will be interesting to watch whether other counties take a lead from Nottinghamshire to try and protect their own interests instead of losing key players.

Players fortunate enough to secure deals are understandably keen to take them up, but they can leave significant holes in the counties for the first six weeks of the season. Essex have previously had to cover for the absence of Owais Shah and Durham for Paul Collingwood.

The tournament has also meant weakened international sides arriving for tours and players arriving at the last minute before a Test series. That is likely to happen again next season with New Zealand's two-Test series clashing with the IPL.

Nottinghamshire's centrally contracted England players, Graeme Swann and Stuart Broad, would have their participation in any IPL deals that were offered decided by the ECB. Current central contracts have clauses allowing players a window to appear at the tournament, although last year that only impacted Kevin Pietersen and Eoin Morgan, subject to any fitness issues.

Earlier this week MS Dhoni suggested that as England's leading players are not available for the entire event it will make it difficult for them to earn deals with franchises.

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Posted by Harmony111 on (December 24, 2012, 15:06 GMT)

@JG2704: Pls don't accuse me of generalizing a minority PoV. I would argue that in general the amount of flak any action/inaction of BCCI receives from Eng fans & others is immense and this comes from not merely a few of those. Perhaps most of them are merely trolling. I wish it was statistically possible for me to provide you proof of my point. The 'typical' opinion of Eng fans indeed is that they prefer Tests over ODI. This is fine in itself, I see nothing wrong in it. But within this group a large %age of ppl go on to describe ODIs and T20 patronizingly. And in the same vein make fun of IPL too. Why so? Why ridicule IPL? Earlier ppl used to play County for quick bucks now its IPL. One more thing, I do not insist/expect that Eng fans love or like or watch or accept IPL. TBH IDC. I don't dislike County, I do watch some part of it when I get time but the my awareness is low. Its one thing to not watch IPL quite another to hate it or criticize it to the core even w/o seeing it.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (December 23, 2012, 10:17 GMT)

@Baundele, you do realise this is nothing to do with the ECB, it is Notts as an organisation that is preventing the players from going as they would miss HALF the county season if they went to the IPL, which would put Notts at a serious disadvantage as the three members are critical for its County championship hopes.

In regards to Bopara, I think you might find he played more than 1 innings last year, even so Bopara is not a test quality player, hes never really stood up to be counted, a little like Samit Patel, so they dropped him however he still plays a part in the ODI set up along with Samit and others.

Posted by gristy83 on (December 22, 2012, 21:41 GMT)

Good for Notts. These 3 players are contracted to them and Notts pay their salaries. I do find quite amusing how the Indian fans are blaming the ECB when the ECB have nothing to do with these 3 players as they are not contracted to the ECB. It's almost as comical as the Indian fans saying that the IPL is the best T20 league in the world! History suggests that the Big Bash in Australia is of a far higher standard than the IPL.

Posted by Baundele on (December 22, 2012, 19:05 GMT)

I do not understand why comments focused more on the poster than on the topic get published. There are far too many comments containing personal attacks. Cricket is a politics these days. BCCI does not accept the UDRS, because a British company will get the money. The ECB and County admins are paying it back. Once Ravi Bopara withdrew from the IPL expecting a place in the test team. The ECB dumped him for a single innings from Morgan. KP has been in persistent clash with the administrators. English Cricket admins should understand that cricket is a profession for these players and they need to make money. Banning them does not help anyone but satisfying the ego of some people whose salaries do not get a cut. There is some reasons why football is so popular in England and cricket is not.

Posted by Baundele on (December 22, 2012, 18:30 GMT)

A good decision by Notts. The ECB should also ban all English players from playing in any money-making tournament. That will ensure more control over the players. Once they get rich, they tend to become unmanageable like KP. :D

Posted by JG2704 on (December 22, 2012, 18:24 GMT)

@Barry Chandler on (December 22 2012, 11:35 AM GMT) TBH I'm not sure if Morgan (for whatever reason) played much of the season for Mddx once he was back but I felt the same when Alf Thomas was benched for most of the IPL tourn and Somerset were down to the bare bones. Luckily enough our reserves came in and did a job but it's horrible seeing these (key county players) not playing any cricket when they're not injured or anything. TBH if (and it's a huge IF) someone like Hales was picked up by an IPL side the same could happen to him.

Posted by JG2704 on (December 22, 2012, 18:17 GMT)

@jmcilhinney on (December 22 2012, 11:31 AM GMT) I think I'm fighting a losing battle trying to explain that it's not about players/teams dissing IPL - it's more because it all clashes and if an IPL franchise won't shell out 400k for Swann as happened last year then how many of our players would they be interested in anyway? As for the ODI series. While I'm always disappointed when we lose I wouldn't be 100% surprised with a whitewash defeat. Re Briggs , I think he still has time ahead of him but right now I'm liking Tredwell who was our best bowler in both games (doesn't take much) but particularly today he impressed me greatly as it seemed like the ball was hard to grip. If Swann is not playing then JT should def be our 1st choice spinner in the shorter formats. Would love to have seen them both play together in the ODI series

Posted by JG2704 on (December 22, 2012, 18:03 GMT)

@ Harmony111 on (December 22 2012, 11:22 AM GMT) I put 2 posts across earlier but only one got published but I will resubmit it as there was nothing offensive in the post. I'm not sure what the typical response was re India and their ranking but I have never said as much and re a typical English response/attitude etc - I tend to find that when literally one or 2 cheerleaders say something it becomes typical. As I said before , if you look at the posts who mention the number 1 ranking quite a few of them are directed at the guy who basically says we are rubbish at the shorter formats.

Posted by JG2704 on (December 22, 2012, 18:03 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (December 22 2012, 06:38 AM GMT) ctd Re the county championship you say ". The last time I cared for county cricket was when Lara played in 94 for Warwickshire that too cos he was in his zone in those days" - the funny thing is that just like the fact that you're not going to lose any sleep over Eng fans not following IPL , Eng fans aren't going to be that concerned about IPL fans not giving a stuff about the English game. The fact is that our counties have developed these players so if they come good is it so wrong that they (as the ones who invested in their potential)are the ones who benefit from the faith they have shown in them? Regardless of who pays the most bucks,has the bigger audiences etc. Please publish this time

Posted by Harvey on (December 22, 2012, 12:34 GMT)

Re. Eoin Morgan, I don't think Middlesex had much choice about releasing him to play in the IPL. Isn't his contract with the ECB rather than Middlesex?

Posted by   on (December 22, 2012, 11:35 GMT)

All credit to Mick Newell for this stance - as a Middlesex fan, I just wish that Gus Fraser had taken the same approach with Eoin Morgan last year. Allowing him to go was made to look even worse as he hardly played in last years IPL. I haven't got such an issue with Paul Stirling playing in the BPL as it doesn't affect the English county season.

Posted by voice_of_reason on (December 22, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

As so many of the English posters have pointed out to the Indian posters here, it is Notts that pay these players, not the ECB. Some England cricketers are centrally contracted to the ECB (e.g. Cook, KP) and the ECB say what they can and cannot do.

A recent survey was conducted in this country, on behalf of the ECB, with 25,000 respondents from all areas of the cricketing community. The results have helped shaped domestic cricket's structure for County cricket for the 2014-17 period. It will include T20s played mostly on Friday evenings, 14 per county. Whether it will work remains to be seen but it shows the ECB are trying to get it right. (Remember the ECB does not retain income from domestic tournaments)

For all their faults, the ECB does a lot of things very well. It puts a huge amount of money back into cricket at every level. Just last week it announced an additional £7.5m donation to the Cricket Foundation to help increase cricket participation in state schools.

Posted by SDHM on (December 22, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

During Hales' 50 the King's XI Tweeted about how well he was playing, so there would definitely have been some interest in him if he was able to enter the auction! As it is though, I have no problem with a player actually playing for his domestically contracted side for once, so I don't mind this move from Notts. That said, I'm sure a compromise could be struck - surely if these players really want to play IPL cricket, they're just going to seek a move to a county that will let them?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 22, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

@JG2704 on (December 22 2012, 10:32 AM GMT), agree 100%. England can't be a bad ODI side if they are currently ranked #1. In fact, they've been performing better in ODIs than Tests for a little while, winning all completed games against Pakistan, WI and Australia and a drawn series against SA. That said, Cook himself has said that England's #1 ranking should be taken with a grain of salt and that the real aim is perform well and hopefully win the 2015 WC. I rate England an outside chance in the upcoming series but India are undoubtedly favourites. I'd be very disappointed if England don't win at least one game though and hopefully at least two. They played poorly last time in India and probably still would have won one game but for poor fielding. They seem to have got their act together in the field so, if that continues, I'd expect them to win at least one. Swann will definitely be missed though. Not sure about Briggs, who has virtually no domestic limited-overs experience.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 22, 2012, 11:22 GMT)

@JG2704: The typical response to India's#1 test rank used to be - What have Ind done to become #1 ranked test team, right? Almost that very same set of ppl now brandish their #1 ODI rank as proof of their team's quality. I stress I've never said Ind are necessarily the best team in any format and I've never said Eng are decidedly a poor team in any format. I just want ppl to be consistent when they make the same argument both ways. When Ind were #1 the only places where they had not won a Test series was Aus and SA. As of now when Eng are #1 in ODIs what have they won? I do not try to denounce any team here but if an Eng fans talks of his #1 rank then I got to ask that question - what exactly has your team won to be justified as #1 team. Had the other side been obj when Ind were #1 I would be obj too.

It is more a case of prep in advance for an anticipated defeat so that you can always say "we we were never interested in it anyways". You as in plural. Why this pretension?

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 22, 2012, 11:00 GMT)

When the BCCI 'advises' its players from not taking part in SLPL cos its promoters had dubious credentials then the world in unison tries to criticizes BCCI for being a bully and not letting other nations have a league similar to IPL. And now when Eng's county team (only 1 so far) categorically asks its players not to take part in IPL (for whatever reasons) then the world in unison supports that county for whatever reasons. Need I say anything more on how partisan and blind these ppls are when it comes to criticizing BCCI? They expect BCCI to pay for the high costs of DRS, they expect BCCI to help other nations et up their domestic leagues, they expect BCCI to openly allow anyone to take part in their league, they expect BCCI to help the associates in getting stronger for eg Afg, they expect BCCI to do be altruistic but none of it they will ever admire. They will always find some reason to criticize BCCI.

Posted by Essex_Man on (December 22, 2012, 10:34 GMT)

@bobmartin - you summed it up perfectly!

Posted by JG2704 on (December 22, 2012, 10:32 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (December 22 2012, 06:38 AM GMT) 1 - re the number 1 ODI ranking vs the world cup winners. I'd prefer to have the trophy every time. I think those that bother responding to the trolls are basically saying we are ranked number 1 - not as a gloat or even pretending we are the best ODI side at present but more that we are not AS bad as the trolls are making out. As I've said before I think we'll do well to get anything out of the T20/ODI series. Even with a full strength side and as said before without Swann in both and KP in T20s no one can say this is a full strength side.

Posted by Harlequin. on (December 22, 2012, 8:32 GMT)

@Cpt Meanster, you should reconsider your grape supplier - your current ones seem a little sour!

England players are paid well enough, if they want to earn a little more once their playing days are over, then they are welcome to entertain a some wannabe cricket fans. But until then, they should stay loyal to the clubs that made them famous in the first place and play cricket not ipl.

Posted by Harvey on (December 22, 2012, 8:00 GMT)

Ask most Notts fans or English cricket fans in general whether T20 or First Class is more important and they will say First Class. Should Notts allow three of their contracted players to miss vital First Class matches to play in another country's domestic T20 tournament? Absolutely not! Notts exist to win cricket matches. They are answerable to their own members and supporters. Their function is not to give players something to do between other countries' T20 tournaments or to please armchair followers of those competitions.

Posted by Harvey on (December 22, 2012, 7:26 GMT)

To those who say nobody cares about the County Championship outside the UK - why should they? It's a DOMESTIC tournament, and unlike a certain other domestic tournament it doesn't keep crying for attention and tugging at the skirt of the rest of the world saying "Look at me!" To those who point out that County Championship crowds are small, how big do you think T20 crowds would be if matches started at 1030 am on working days? Now that the novelty has worn off, T20 crowds in England tend to be pretty small in any case. As for advocating city-based franchises in England, the idea is laughable. In Australia (which is more suited to city-based franchises than England) crowds have already dwindled to the extent that a couple of days ago, Sydney Thunder had a crowd of 4,101 in a ground that holds 82,500! How long can they (or the BBL) survive on crowds like that? In England it is mainly the provinces (Taunton, Chelmsford, and Hove) where big crowds still show up to T20, not the cities.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 22, 2012, 6:38 GMT)

@ GoCho: Do you know which team is the current World Champion in ODIs? Its India. And as for your current #1 rank, India did that already in Sep 2009. And Ind have wont the WC twice, once in your own homeland. After all this you must be having a totaled brain if you suggest Eng are better than India in ODIs. Cpt.Meanster may have his issues with test cricket but he is dead right when he says no one outside Eng cares for County cricket. County cricket has had its time and once used to be the place to go to earn some quick money but IPL displaced it long time back. Hardly anyone would now remember who i the current county champion and what is the relative strength of these county teams. The last time I cared for county cricket was when Lara played in 94 for Warwickshire that too cos he was in his zone in those days. County per se had nothing to do with it. So keep your #1 flag with yourself it wud be over soon but Ind's 2 WC wind will remain for ever.

Posted by Bruisers on (December 22, 2012, 6:27 GMT)

Well, who said franchises were interested in Samit Patel? I guess the only worthy player was Hales who could have bagged half a million dollars. Even Lumb did not find buyers last time... And yeah, the only reason why Swann wasn't bought last time was that he won't be available for the entire season due to the West Indies series coinciding with major part of the IPL season. It's not because of ego or politics as some people have ignorantly mentioned.

Posted by   on (December 22, 2012, 5:53 GMT)

@Nutcutlet, AlfredMynn & JG2704: precisely. What the gibbering pro-IPL masses fail to understand is that the players concerned are all contracted to Notts: they're *not* free agents; nor is this yet another tiresome episode in the perennial ECB vs. BCCI battle for one-upmanship; it's simply a case of Nottinghamshire reminding three of their employees who pays their bills.

@Cpt. Meanster: Up until very recently, I invariably valued your contributions to these forums, but ever since India were comprehensively outplayed by us during the recent Test series, your comments about England's ODI side have become increasingly shrill & inane (as have your observations about Test cricket, which you claim never to watch, but which you nevertheless never tire of commenting on). Want to know how England got to No. 1 in the ODI rankings? By winning TEN consecutive matches against Pakistan, the West Indies & Australia. Would you like a little whine to wash down those sour grapes with?

Posted by AlviroPatterson on (December 22, 2012, 4:42 GMT)

If those Notts players asked Mick Newell to play in next years Sri Lanka Premier League, they would still get the same answer for the same reason. Counties don't have the largest of playing squads and it's hard enough for coaches who often lose players to England and it's development squad during mid-season.

County Championship and IPL are simply incomparable, format aside one is played when many are at work and the other is not. A fairer comparison is County Championship v Ranji Trophy, no brainer which is the better competition in terms of attendances and standard.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (December 22, 2012, 3:36 GMT)

Can't say I cricket tournaments are hardly worth it if you want to play cricket. It just how much people are willing to pay to stop people playing their chosen sport. There are two ways to hate cricket-Don't play it or play IPL.

Posted by bennybow on (December 22, 2012, 2:52 GMT)

Caught in two minds over this. On the one hand, I'd like to see strong county teams playing and I'm uneasy about central contracts denying counties their top players let alone IPL. On the other, I'd welcome cricketers being richly rewarded for their work. Having seen Balotelli being fined 2 weeks wages = £340K, the cost of a house for most people, I reckon cricketers are seriously underpaid compared to the spoilt children playing football.

Posted by garibaldi on (December 22, 2012, 0:37 GMT)

Good for Notts- but it should be a no-brainer: as JG2704 put it, why on earth should their contracted employer allow them time off to earn money elsewhere whole damaging the employer's chance of success? It's just bad luck that IPL clashes with the English domestic season- nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (December 21, 2012, 23:39 GMT)

It's tough on Hales especially as he is England's next generation of batting pedigree, and why shouldn't he get to show off his skills to those in the sub continent? The IPL's audience numbers about a billion. Hales would absolutely massacre bowling out there.

Posted by here2rock on (December 21, 2012, 23:22 GMT)

England have made the right choice by not allowing it 's player to participate in IPL. Country should come first not money unlike a lot of players from other countries.

Posted by trav29 on (December 21, 2012, 22:53 GMT)

cant believe the complete over reaction from IPL fans here. this is a sporting decision made by notts county pure and simple. they cant afford to have three of their top players missing for the start of their season, especially when they will already have both broad and swann, and maybe even taylor, all involved on england duty.

the players are contracted to notts, signed their contracts in full knowledge of their obligations and thats that. its got nothing to do with the ECB and nothing to do with any ill will directed towards the IPL so put your toys back in the pram guys.

ironically for all the people blaming the ECB if any of the three had been on ECB central contracts they probably would have been allowed to go into the auction.

Posted by AK47_pk on (December 21, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

Fair play. They are contracted to notts nd ipl nd county season running at same time so players shud be playing where they are contracted already nd where they belong too. They are english so english cricket nd fans shud come 1st. Great courage from notts. Hope international boards will do same cuz country nd fans comes 1st.ipl 2nd.

Posted by JG2704 on (December 21, 2012, 21:52 GMT)

What an absolute load of hissy fit jargon from the IPL fans. Is it that difficult to understand that Notts are these players paymasters and see these players as major parts of their squad and challenging for silverware etc? As Clarke501 says , it's purely because the IPL clashes with the domestic season , nothing against IPL at all. Why do IPL fans take it so personally? In whatever occupation you're in I'm sure if you asked your boss if you could take time off to work for another firm the answer would usually be a strong negative. Personally I like seeing how our players do in IPL but as an example , as a Somerset fan I'd prefer Alf Thomas to be playing for our side. Same with Jos Buttler or any of our other players. If IPL didn't clash with our domestic game I'd love to see many more players playing IPL. Anyway half our players who went for it last year weren't picked anyway. I mean Swann went unsold at 400k.Egos,spoiling party's - get a grip

Posted by alfredmynn on (December 21, 2012, 21:41 GMT)

The thought process of Indian fans like @Cpt.Meanster is interesting: they expect others to place as much importance on wealth (or "cricket-body-wealth") as they do. They expect other fans to fear, respect, and be envious of them because the BCCI is rich. They expect non-indian players to come sniveling for handouts. The illusion of being able to dictate terms to great players from other nations (while not having much talent in-house) probably feels good ("we're the best because MS Dhoni is 10x richer than Dale Steyn"). The BCCI (and not Sachin) carries the aspirations of billions to be a global force at something, however trivial. Other fans simply don't understand - why would anyone be envious of a country that's produced no bowler even as good as Merv Hughes? Thus, with little cricket talent to boast of, Indian fans drone on about finance in a cricket forum, where nobody cares about finance. Perhaps they also talk about cricket on business forums and politics on science forums.

Posted by sweetspot on (December 21, 2012, 21:39 GMT)

Usain Bolt and Yohan Blake - top stars in their field, have both said they would change tracks to play in the IPL. It needs no other endorsement. Valued at $4bn US dollars in 5 years from inception. Absolutely no surprise people are jealous and absolutely no surprise India will bury Test cricket.

Posted by sweetspot on (December 21, 2012, 21:36 GMT)

If the IPL had been a poor, struggling tournament, which paid peanuts, I'm sure Nottinghamshire would have encouraged its players to play for the experience!

Posted by GoCho on (December 21, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

@ Cpt.Meanster high time you create a new account as the moment I see a post from you, I know it will be a load of nonsense. Do you know which team is #1 in the ICC odi rankings, 2 places above India? At some point soon we will stop finding your trolling even remotely amusing to respond.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (December 21, 2012, 21:18 GMT)

Excellent news! Participating in the IPL has very little to do with adding to a player's credentials, only his bank balance.The players that Notts have barred from the circus will readily understand the reasoning behind the veto. All three are in England's thinking for the shorter formats of the international game (and Hales may make it to the top level if things fall right for him) & vital to their county's requirements. England & the counties have got the right perspective on the IPL. It is there to fill the coffers of various Indian enterprises, esp. the BCCI. From an international player's point of view, it is a nice little earner once you are no longer required (i.e. contracted) by your national side. It is therefore a repository for the players who have either retired or are in the twilight of their careers. It's very good way of boosting your pension pot! Standard of cricket? Mediocre at best; that's why old stars are comfortable in it. It's really about Indian TV ratings.

Posted by BoonBoom on (December 21, 2012, 20:39 GMT)

I don't know when this IPL circus will be over. This IPL is an absolute disgrace to the game of cricket and must be scrapped forever.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 21, 2012, 20:26 GMT)

@ hhillbumper: Your comment made for an amusing read. As per you a more recent WT20 win is more imp eh...Hmmm....if I build on that logic then your team has lost its last 2 T20s to Ind. Clearly Ind are superior. On similar lines, your darling team was 80 a.o. on a very flat wicket in SL, clearly your team must be full of garbage to do that. And your last line really made my day. You said ... "you can't get any decent players without hiring them from over seas."....are you sure you meant that for Ind? Its apt for England actually :-p

Posted by Aussiesfalling on (December 21, 2012, 20:06 GMT)

I suspect that if Mick Newell only had to consider one of his contracted players wanting to participate in full then he might have said yes. If I was the ECB, I would find some way of putting young England T20 regulars on a contract that would enable them to develop their skills in overseas domestic T20 competitions.

Posted by Kalasin on (December 21, 2012, 19:45 GMT)

Dear English fans. The IPL is not evil. It is a decent tournament, with crowds and sponsorship deals that other leagues could only dream of. It is a great things to see cricket played in front of full houses and players getting a decent wage.

Dear Indian fans. Test cricket is still the premier form of the game for most of the cricket following world. A game that has thrived for so long without the need for 2nd rate cheerleaders, midmatch interviews with Bollywood stars and needless hyperbole from the commentators will continue to prosper.

Can we all get along now?

Posted by bonobo on (December 21, 2012, 19:45 GMT)

Its hard stopping professionals for taking part in a competition that will pay them more than their counties and allow them to play in front of audiences vastly superior. Hales and Patel have international ambitions at a level beyond T20, so perhaps there is an incentive, but why shoud someone like Lumb, not just turn his back on Notts and make a better living and enjoy a better lifestyle from the avrioys T20s leagues. I am a lover of test and county cricket and while I can enjoy watching it, would be just as happy if T20 never existed. But we have to find a way of accommodating it. The biggest threat from my view is not the IPL. but the proliferation of multiple leagues, meaning near permanent conflcits between formats. I would hope all test nations could agree to find space for the IPL and encourage it as the T2O league, at the expense of others. There would be no real loss to the county of early season games and Tests, in damp conditions with small corwds

Posted by DaveGCI on (December 21, 2012, 19:23 GMT)

Well done, Notts. County championship will be around long after IPL has disintegrated. T20 cricket is great at international level, but these franchises with players changing teams all the time are meaningless and have no following at all outside country where competitions are played. Explains why IPL is not on Sky Sports, but ITV4.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 19:17 GMT)

At last - a County saying no to the IPL. Other counties like Hampshire & Sussex please note. County followers are sick and tired of seeing their teams depleted whilst their best players play for everyone apart from their own counties. The BCCI prevent Indian players from playing in English domestic cricket so why should English players go and play in an Indian domestic tournament which is deliberately scheduled to run at the same time as the English domestic season?

Posted by brittop on (December 21, 2012, 19:08 GMT)

@mgr125128: What part do you think the ECB played in this decision? It is simply Nottinghamshire saying to players who are under contract to them, you can't play for someone else when we need you playing for us.

Posted by bobmartin on (December 21, 2012, 18:51 GMT)

You're the Salesman of the Year.. having sold more Rolls Royces that all the others sales staff put together....You approach the CEO and ask him: "Would you mind if I took a few weeks off to go and sell a few Ladas for another company ?" No prizes fior guessing what the answer would be... Get my drift..

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 18:45 GMT)

please allow the players to get some money.....

Posted by CricketCoachDB on (December 21, 2012, 18:35 GMT)

Completely agree with Neeraj Sharma on this one. County cricket's principle objective is to produce players for the England team, is it not? And as these are all English T20 Internationals, it is obviously in the interests of their development that they gain experience in major tournaments and exposure to T20 in different conditions. England were hopelessly out-classed in the first T20I v India yesterday, and one aspect of that was the lack of experience in front of big crowds in subcontinent conditions. One man and his dog in the rain at Trent Bridge in May simply doesn't compare. Sorry, this is just selfish bully-boys Notts, desperate to win that title they've been trying to buy for the past 3 years. It won't work-they'll now have 3 very unhappy players on their hands. Notts: the Chelsea of cricket, only without any of the success!

Posted by hhillbumper on (December 21, 2012, 18:26 GMT)

I love indian fans and their ability to see everything throught their own narrow perspective. Yep you have the IPL. We win at test cricket and have also won a more recent t20 world cup than you.Whats your point except for all the people in your country you can't get any decent players without hiring them from over seas

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 18:19 GMT)

@mgr125128 where is the ECB mentioned here? its ONE county. they want their team to be as strong as they can for their own domestic league.. whats wrong with that?

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 18:12 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster: I can only presume from the opening sentence of your post that you are deliberately trolling. If not, perhaps I'd better point out that in the not too distant past England have won the World T20 and been the number 1 ranked ODI team. Don't know how to play limited overs, you said?

Posted by OhhhhhMattyMatty on (December 21, 2012, 18:12 GMT)

3 world class T20 players shun the IPL! Embarrassing times for Lalit Modi and co!

Posted by tavares_stool on (December 21, 2012, 18:00 GMT)

STOP refering to the ECB - it's Notts that have stopped them, read the article instead of copy pasting old ECB bashing comments.

Yes the IPL is the best T20 league but that isn't saying much, if the wages were lower would this even be newsworthy?

Posted by PanGlupek on (December 21, 2012, 18:00 GMT)

@mgr125128 & samincolumbia, read the article more carfefully buddy, this was a decision from Notts CC, not the ECB.

It's true though, that if players actually want to play IPL, they will need to renegotiate thier contracts to make sure they are allowed time off for it. Will be interesting to see what the counties do in those cases...

Posted by Jaffa79 on (December 21, 2012, 17:50 GMT)

There is only one winner here: the IPL. As much as I am a traditionalist, it is hard to argue the case for a competition like the CC which attracts (like other 4 day competitions around the world) 4 men and a dog. A county player without a full central contract cannot be stopped from earning as much as he can. It is noble of Notts but will they pay Lumb (if he got a deal) the money that he could earn from the IPL? No. He is 32 and should be allowed to earn as much as he can. Expect more situations like KP had last year. Test matches are safe in England, Aus and a few other countries for a while but it is a sad inevitability that T20 will engulf the domestic game.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 17:41 GMT)

@Balldiñho II - try to understand how first class cricket works before you weigh in with thoughtless comments. The English counties are supported by the ECB, who in turn get money from Sky for TV rights to England. Therefore it's in the ECB's interest to develop players for England. Spectators don't come into it.

T20/40 over is where counties make money. However Sky pay big bucks for test cricket. Different economics and priorities, that's all.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 21, 2012, 17:27 GMT)

I feel like laughing at some of the counter arguments provided by the English fans. Seriously guys, your county cricket is a no show beyond the UK. Even inside the UK, I have seen the sorry state of some of your county games. A few retired seniors with their dogs watching a 4 day championship game begs for mercy. T20 cricket is the future of the game and the BEST format of cricket. The IPL has provided players the opportunity to play in front of truly appreciating fans for well paid $$$ just as the way sport is supposed to be played. Cricket is not sacred in any way for it to be considered 'different' than other sports. The world is moving ahead steadily. England is lagging behind. If the ECB didn't like the IPL, then why do we keep hearing all these talks of a new city based T20 league in the UK coming from ECB officials time and time ? "Oh..I don't care about the IPL but, I do want a league that emulates the IPL". Come out of the darkness dear England.

Posted by mgr125128 on (December 21, 2012, 17:21 GMT)

ECB is still unable to digest the fact that how the hell did the BCCI pick up their own concept and implement it so better than they did to create IPL ..a league for which many cricketers are ready to retire early. Now the best way for ECB is to ensure they do not contribute to its success. So this ban on players. Well if you stop players from making money to boost/satisy your own EGO one day these players will revolt eventually. After all even Botham and other top class cricketers have done this in past (Kerry Packer).Now a couple of just decent T20 players have cropped up and ECB now feel they hold the glamour value for IPL in these two players they are banning.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (December 21, 2012, 17:18 GMT)

To be fairly honest, English players DON'T know how to play limited overs cricket. So it's a fair deal IMO that they are NOT allowed to take part in the IPL. Besides, most franchises don't have room for them anyway. England focus solely on test cricket because that's what matters to them. The county championship runs around the same time as the IPL. Everyone knows about the spat between the ECB and the BCCI over the IPL issue. The ECB will never want most of its players playing in the world's BEST T20 league. Vice versa, the BCCI will NEVER allow most of its players to feature in county cricket. So we all reap what we sow. Personally, I don't care about English players. They are plain boring anyway. Let's get on with it shall we.

Posted by shillingsworth on (December 21, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

@200ondebut - Notts are perfectly happy for players to go overseas provided it does not clash with their county commitments. The same applies to overseas players appearing for Notts - they do so only with the agreement of the board or team holding the player's contract. There is no 'double standard'.

Posted by MunafAhmed811 on (December 21, 2012, 17:12 GMT)

Its a simple case of trying to spoil someone else's party (IPL) because your own (ECB) party was not as popular or successful as the others (BCCI) party. Who invented T20 . The ECB. Who started trend of allowing foreign players to play in local leagues. The ECB. BCCI just went ahead ,adopted the model, applied better business sense and management skills and made the small shop the WALMART of T2 while the small shop of ECB remained a small store. Now obviously, ECB is trying its best to ensure IPL fails...not that presence of a couple of English players will make a difference. But one thing is for sure, like some other previos examples (Gayle,Malinga etc etc) , if you try to stop players , eventually they will try to find out a way to go to IPL.

Posted by usernames on (December 21, 2012, 16:50 GMT)

I think it's the correct decision--there's no need for these players to leave Notts and play in the IPL; that's good professionalism. If they have signed an agreement, more power to them. I do think that the chest thumping and ego boost from English fans is a little naive--no one's asking your players to come over here and play; the league is the best in the world *without* them. We'd love to welcome them here, but that's if they want to come.

Posted by samincolumbia on (December 21, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

Sour grapes from the hypocritical ECB!

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 16:42 GMT)

tbh I can't see anybody wanting Patel and Lumb enough to pay decent money. Hales maybe but he is under contract. The problem I see for Notts is if these players are sought after then they'll move to another county in the future who does let them play IPL. By barring them they not only reducing the income the players can earn but also fostering bad will.

I wouldn't be surprised if all highly rated english players don't have an IPL clause allowing them to be released on a loan basis going forward. Might be mickey mouse cricket but if they can earn twice what they get for a season then many will want to do it.

Posted by grizzle on (December 21, 2012, 16:41 GMT)

Balldinho: So is pro-wrestling played in front of a larger bunch of fans than actual wrestling. Your point?

Posted by MakaveliDon on (December 21, 2012, 16:23 GMT)

@Balldiñho you deserve a medal for what you have written..the english fans need to get off their high horse and realise t20 is the future. What they call hit and giggle cricket will be the standard format in the next 10 years..and test cricket will be dead in the ground.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

In the UK evening matches played at every level have been basically T20 for about 120 years. I've been playing 20 over a side - 4 overs per bowler - fielding restrictions - 15 minute between innings - since I was 16 - I'm 45 now. T20 in all but name has been played since the 1890's at village and league level. We even innovate more. If there is a delay before we have "16 8 ball overs" which is actually slightly longer in terms of balls bowled but quicker to get through as less over changes. Fact is Notts have a contract for these players to be available. If they play for someone else while contracted to play for them they will breach their contract. Maybe players negotiate new terms when renewal comes up to allow a 3 week IPL visit at the beginning of the season - but for now Notts need not have said anything. this is a simple and pre-existing contractual obligation. It starts in early February and runs until late September - end of story.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (December 21, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

Fair play to notts, they hold the contracts for these players and have the right as to whether they release them or not.

If the players dont like it they are free to move to another county who may facilitate their playing in the IPL.

As for the ECB being jealous of the IPL, meh, people forget that the ECB created and led the way in regards to T20 Tournaments, and they were popular long before the IPl was a twinkle in Modi's wallet.

The problem with English cricket is that it doesnt have a fanatical following as it does in the Sub continent, comparing CC to T20 is like comparing the Ranji trophy to the IPL, how big are the crowds in the 4 day game in india, Ill bet they arnt that much bigger than those in a CC game.

Posted by glance_to_leg on (December 21, 2012, 16:04 GMT)

Good for Nottinghamshire. If players wish to prostitute their talents in a form of the game that seems to be destroying Indian test cricket (and is also profoundly tedious), that is fine. But then they should not expect to hold on to their county contracts. I can see the point of T20 specialists like Luke Wright playing in the IPL or the Big Bash (the latter incidentally seems both more entertaining and of a higher standard than the much hyped IPL from what I can see) to hone their skills, but anyone with aspirations to play proper cricket should stick to the real game. There again, would any of the IPL teams really want to shell out for any of the three named players?

Posted by naadnat on (December 21, 2012, 16:01 GMT)

i agree with most of the comments.for people blaming it as mickey mouse cricket,some things have to be 2007 odi worldcup in westindies many legends of the 70s 80s were giving interview for money.that was their only source of their survival.does test cricket bring bacon to players today's globalised world everybody have their their own economic goals to acheive.if somebody says i am going to serve my country he should do it without getting paid.if not for odi worldcup concept, cricket wouldnt even have touched 10 survived 20th century because of 50 over format and the icc tournaments like odi worldcup commercialised and marketed.21st century the innovation of 20-20 had made cricket more revenue is only from 20-20.even after 30 years the same 10 nations will be playing test cricket whereas t20 will be keep growing worldwide.

Posted by Sinhaya on (December 21, 2012, 15:53 GMT)

England players need not care any bit about IPL because ECB pays them well enough. Same applies for the other rich cricket boards like Australia and South Africa too. Small powerless boards like SL, NZ and WI have to depend on IPL for survival. SL player wages are paid out of the 10% of the IPL earnings.

Posted by 200ondebut on (December 21, 2012, 15:44 GMT)

Very short sighted from Notts. There seem to be double standard at play here - they are quite happy to get overseas players to play for them but not happy for their players to go overseas. How Notts perform is irrelevant - what is important is how England perform. Playing in the IPL will only help Englands one day players.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 21, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

@Neeraj Sharma on (December 21 2012, 15:07 PM GMT), that's a ridiculous statement that you have obviously put no thought into whatsoever. How can you possibly say that a county would not be affected by losing three of its top players for six weeks of the season? Obviously Notts would like to improve on their fifth-place finish in the county championship last year so do you really think that they should just be happy to let three international standard players go for the first month and a half of the season? You might try looking at the situation objectively in future rather than just using it to justify your bias.

Posted by Essex_Man on (December 21, 2012, 15:27 GMT)

These players are contracted to Notts who clearly shouldn't be releasing them, particularly for a mediocre hit n giggle tournament. How can they expect their employer to agree to give them time off work to go to work for another employer?! If these players would prefer to play IPL instead of participating in the world's strongest domestic cricket system (with the chance to play for England if they perform well enough), then they should simply choose to do so and resign from their contract with Notts. It depends whether their motivation is making as much money as possible or playing as high a standard of cricket as possible.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 15:18 GMT)

@BigZipZ proper cricket? County cricket makes NO money and gets NO fans to come out and support! It's a joke, and it's near dead. These guys have a chance to play sport like its MEANT to be. INFRONT of an audience and for money (just like every other sport). Cricket needs to stop acting like its on some. Oral high ground above others. That's why it hasn't expanded beyond 10 nations!

Posted by Herbet on (December 21, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

I don't see any English/county players argument here. If you have signed a contract to play for a county for the English season, you can't expect to play for anyone else, excepting national sides, in that period. It would be like Steven Gerard saying to Liverpool "I know I've signed a contract with you for the next 4 years, and I know the football season runs from August to May, but there is this 5 a side tournament in India in September, the Bangalore Bad Boys have offered me £10m for just that month, can I go?" Its a joke, If they want to play happy clappy slap dash cricket in India then don't sign for a County, or a central contract.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

I dont understand whose the looser here, IPL?? Huh... definitely not!!!! Its these three players who are the looser and their soo called club just to satisfy their ego hamper the growth of such good players by not allowing them to play and grow in other conditions other than their own and more ever deny them a change of making some money for themselves where they have only few years to do so!!! Neither IPL is a looser here nor the county is going to gain much but feel pity for these players!!!

Posted by here2rock on (December 21, 2012, 14:43 GMT)

There are so many T20 tournaments now that English players do not have to rely on IPL. The players are getting too greedy.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 14:43 GMT)

@BIGZIPZ I'm sure that you're simply speaking for yourself. There's a reason why all the other boards including the ECB have been falling all over themselves trying to replicate the IPL's success. From what I've seen, crowds for the CCC games do not really match those of the T20 league either.

Posted by madras_boy on (December 21, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

Who introduced T20 in cricket ??? Probably they are the ones to be blamed !!!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 21, 2012, 14:04 GMT)

It's a difficult situation in which I can see everyone's point of view and it's not really anyone's fault. I don't imagine that any of those players will break ties with Notts to pursue an IPL contract that may not happen but hopefully it won't cause conflict at the county.

Posted by   on (December 21, 2012, 14:03 GMT)

Hopefully Jos Buttler will not play in the IPL. It's mickey mouse cricket and Somerset need him.

Posted by BIGZIPZ on (December 21, 2012, 14:00 GMT)

It is difficult for people outside of England to understand that in this country we PREFER 4 Day and 5 Day cricket. It used to be only England and Australia who could fill their grounds for all test matches. Now it is only England.

We prioritise proper cricket over Mickey Mouse cricket.

Posted by shillingsworth on (December 21, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

In addition to Shah, Essex have also had to cover for the absence of ten Doeschate and, in previous years, Bopara and Napier. Notts' decision makes perfect sense.

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