India in England 2014 August 11, 2014

India flummoxed by Moeenalitharan

Not enough respect, or too much respect? India have got themselves in a right mess when it comes to facing Moeen Ali when keeping the game simple would have been the best method
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Amazed by Mo's improvement - Cook

First day of the series. India have made a cautious start. It is a slow pitch on which stroke-making is not easy. After the early runs through third man, India have been sedate. Half an hour before lunch, Alastair Cook brings on Moeen Ali. Cook has copped a lot of criticism for underutilising Moeen against Sri Lanka. So on comes Moeen. He bowls round the wicket, flights it around off, and Cheteshwar Pujara drives the first ball forcefully. This is the first time Pujara has ever faced Moeen. By the time the over ends, Pujara has hit a four, although this is thanks to a rank full toss. In the next over Pujara is skipping outside the crease. In the second innings of the same Test, Shikhar Dhawan faces Moeen's first ball - again the first time he is playing Moeen - and he goes for an extravagant flick to leg. He survives an lbw shout.

The plan is clear: we don't want to let Moeen bowl. Four Tests into the series, Moeen has taken 19 wickets at 22.94. These are serious numbers. Outside Asia only three spinners have taken more Indian batsmen out in a series. He is one behind Ray Illingworth, five behind Lance Gibbs and nine behind Alf Valentine. Even if you include series in Asia, Moeen is not too far behind: if he takes eight wickets at The Oval, traditionally the most spinner-friendly track in England, his series figures will be among the five best against India. Not quite what you expect of a bowler you did not want to let bowl.

On paper it sounds like a sound plan. The opposition's attack is lop-sided. They have only one spinner, a part-time bowler before the start of this series, who is often the fifth man Cook goes to. If you take runs off him, Cook has to go back to his quicks, who are all carrying miles in their legs. By going after Moeen, you force Cook to do something he does not want to do. Also you add those miles in the fast bowlers' legs, and possibly force them to miss a Test in the series.

A spiffing plan really. Except that India might have both underestimated and overestimated Moeen. They tried to hit the first ball he bowled away. In Southampton Rohit Sharma tried to hit him over the top five minutes before tea and perished. India ended up losing six wickets to him in an innings. They lost. MS Dhoni stuck to the team's guns. "I thought our batsmen played the fast bowlers better, but we allowed Moeen to bowl his line and length," he said. "There was considerable amount of wear and tear on the pitch that went his way, and there were a lot of close-in fielders too were there. I just felt that we could have been a bit more positive against him."

By now, though, Moeen had gone from one who should not be allowed to bowl to one who should be given special attention. Virat Kohli dedicated entire net sessions to just sweeping

The result of Southampton was batsmen spending hours practising their sweep shot in the lead-up to Manchester. Now Indian players are not natural sweepers. Their natural game of using their feet to get to the pitch of the ball or shortening the length by rocking back works well for them. By now, though, Moeen had gone from one who should not be allowed to bowl to one who should be given special attention. Virat Kohli dedicated entire net sessions to just sweeping. Trevor Penney worked a lot with him. Without doing this, too, Kohli has scored Test centuries against spinners in much more helpful conditions.

At Old Trafford, Kohli managed to face only four balls from Moeen, one of which he swept and nearly holed out to deep square-leg. By going out of their way to first eliminate Moeen and then negate him, India have let Moeen become a big factor in the series. If they had played him normally, like they do other spinners, they would have had the desired results anyway.

Even after Old Trafford, Dhoni said: "It is important to be positive. We will lose a few wickets. He is quite a consistent bowler. He keeps pitching in the same areas. He is quite good and uses the drift. At the same time we will have to put pressure back on him. If in doing that you lose a few wickets that is still good for you because that pushes the opposition to use their fast bowlers more. That is something we will have to follow. Pujara got a tough decision but others he bowled well to get them out."

As a bowler, Moeen is somewhere between what they earlier thought of him and what the numbers suggest now. Against Sri Lanka, in a short span, he took two classic offspinners' wickets. He had Kumar Sangakkara lbw when the ball did not turn and beat his inside edge. Lahiru Thirimanne was bowled after the ball turned and beat the outside edge. He gets some drift too. There is no mystery to him, though. He has two balls: the regulation offbreak and the one that goes straight on. The doosra he hardly ever uses. He even began this series negatively, from round the wicket. Now he is attacking more, bowling from over, and outside off, getting some drift, some dip, and then letting the natural variation from the pitch do the rest.

There might be a lesson in there for Indian spinners too, but by no means is he a demonic spinner that the numbers suggest. Not yet at any rate. On their 2006-07 tour of South Africa, India played Paul Harris with such caution they led to Ravi Shastri's calling him Lord Harris. On this tour India have created Moeenalitharan.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 14, 2014, 12:58 GMT

    He is no better comparing to murali..come on...we all know that... 800 wickets in tests..who could possibly pass this..

  • on August 14, 2014, 2:37 GMT

    Mooenalitharan!!! lol

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    Rahane started as opener and is an opener to larger extended before he was pushed to the middle by Dhoni. He puts prize for his wicket and has decent technique and good temperament for test. He should open with Vijay. Dhawan should be limited to ODI till he realizes that test is not about 30-35 runs. Rohit is a good middle order batsman. He threw his wicket last time he played, but he is good talent to have in the middle. Gambhir has passed his prime and limit his playing days to Delhi alone and not beyond. Kohli is a rare talent, no need to worry about him. He needs to talk to Dravid and model himself around Ricky Pointing as thier talent n agression resembles. Bowling still looks ok with right selection; Ishant, Bhuvi, Aswin, Aron, Umesh, Shami, Yadav are all decent; get most out of each. Ishant n Bhuvi don't have to play each test. Conserve them with good rotation policy for fast bowlers. Mishra and Ojha should be considered too. Play as a team like Lankans do, you will win often.

  • Sultan2007 on August 13, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    The bowling attack has to be Bhuvi, Shami and Aaron. With Ashwin as the spinner. Can't say much for the batting. For a side that started with so much confidence they seem to be out of knick collectively. Pujara is struggling because the openers are not giving him cover. And well, kohli, he is in trouble. His series seems to have been settled by the one that came in and took his off stump as he left it. His judgement outside the off stump has been uncertain ever since. Probably Dhawan needs to come back. Gambhir was really out of sorts. I still have belief in Rohit though. How can one not! He has so much pedigree in his strokeplay unfortunately nothing to show for it!

  • myStraightTalk on August 13, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    This will be Dhoni's final Test match as a Test Captain. The result of this test series will hurt india to the 1 day world cup. Only a good test playing cricket team can win the world cup and India does not show that talent..

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Part 3 Dhoni's best fit is ODI; and he has shown that he human and is no more invincible in T20 anymore. The 2014 IPL was a testament of his ebbing glory.... Ravi Aswin for Test Captainship for 2-3 years and depending on his performance and till someone else elevates and earn the rights to claims the Test Captainship. No one guy can be a shrewd tactician in T20, ODI and Test. These are completely different games. T20 is a brawl, ODIs, a battle but Test is a war; you need warrior not soldier or street smart brawler for Test and Dhoni is mere a goalkeeper.

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 13:40 GMT

    Part 2 As the name suggests "Test Cricket" is truly test of your cricketing skill and bits and pieces players like Jadeja, Binny, even Dhoni's lack of skill will be exposed sooner or later. Dhoni was lucky to have the greatest batsmen of all times in the form of Dravid and Tendulkar; and great supporting cast of Ganguly and Laxman in the middle but that Era is gone. Dhoni is exposed and he does not enjoy test cricket (known fact from the beginning) so should let go or forced to let go of Test Captainship. He is now inept for Test Captainship and Cricket. The guy who has bigger ego than his country (1.2 billion) should not be sustained as captain, period. Albeit he is so powerful now that he chose his own destiny, he should not forget there is nothing bigger than cricket and he has to accept his fall from grace. Even SRT lacked the charm in the twilight of his career so who is Dhoni, a goal keeper who made fortune keeping wickets.

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 13:39 GMT

    Part 1 I know it's not the right time to start captainship controversy but we need to talk about it such that we see a change when the team flies down under. Dhoni should step down form Test Captainship and Perhaps Aswin who is the unfortunate candidate to be left out due to inclusion of Jadeja, should be made captain. I don't think there is any automatic and stable player in white for India beside Dhoni, who is only there because he is captain. Beside Dhoni, I think Aswin is the 1st automatic choice spinner in both Home and away test and should be made captain. I thought of Pujara and Kohli too but India needs them immensely as a pure batsmen and any additional pressure is better if avoided. Dhoni should be replaced by other capable wicketkeeper in test, yes only in test because he is too good of player and effective captain in shorter version of the game.

  • Nampally on August 13, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    @rk_ks: Vijay has scored in SA, NZ & England apart from his scores on the Indian wkts. You read my comments (contd) only, because my earlier comments got "missed" out by Cricinfo! I clearly commented on lack of proper batting technique of some of our modern stars which includes Kohli- relies more on hand -eye coordination than correct foot work. Pujara, Vijay, Rahane , Ashwin are more "Old schooled" or conventional batsmen- getting right behind the ball on back foot defence & to he pitch of the ball on the front defence. In addition the bat remains straight not slant. Kohli has been getting out with half cock defence with slant bat at the balls on or outside the off stump. Anderson has noted this & gets him out each time! Unless Kohli corrects this he will continue his bad spell. The current squad is not the best when Yadev the pace bowler is omitted & the opening bats for India not right. Uthappa, Rahul, Nair, Chand, Jadhev wee Not considered as openers instead of Gambhir- Why?

  • Y2G_87 on August 13, 2014, 10:46 GMT

    Not sure how much sense it makes.

    Why not make Ashwin open along with Vijay, even though he has not done at international level.

    Than it opens a slot for a specialist batsman, bowler or allrounder, in which Ojha can be accommodated.

    I have seen Dhoni bowling with good pace and carry, so why not Dhoni bowl few tidy medium as fourth seamer, this particular move will get a extra seamer, a better wicket keeper without loosing Dhoni and last but not least he will learn importance of fifth bowler in test.

    So the playing XI can be,

    Vijay, Ashwin, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Ojha, Rohith, Dhoni, Bhuvaneshwar, Aaron, Sharma/Shami

    It might look odd leaving Jadeja, but this might work, because he has not troubled any right handed batsmen (frankly speaking not any) as of now.

  • on August 14, 2014, 12:58 GMT

    He is no better comparing to murali..come on...we all know that... 800 wickets in tests..who could possibly pass this..

  • on August 14, 2014, 2:37 GMT

    Mooenalitharan!!! lol

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    Rahane started as opener and is an opener to larger extended before he was pushed to the middle by Dhoni. He puts prize for his wicket and has decent technique and good temperament for test. He should open with Vijay. Dhawan should be limited to ODI till he realizes that test is not about 30-35 runs. Rohit is a good middle order batsman. He threw his wicket last time he played, but he is good talent to have in the middle. Gambhir has passed his prime and limit his playing days to Delhi alone and not beyond. Kohli is a rare talent, no need to worry about him. He needs to talk to Dravid and model himself around Ricky Pointing as thier talent n agression resembles. Bowling still looks ok with right selection; Ishant, Bhuvi, Aswin, Aron, Umesh, Shami, Yadav are all decent; get most out of each. Ishant n Bhuvi don't have to play each test. Conserve them with good rotation policy for fast bowlers. Mishra and Ojha should be considered too. Play as a team like Lankans do, you will win often.

  • Sultan2007 on August 13, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    The bowling attack has to be Bhuvi, Shami and Aaron. With Ashwin as the spinner. Can't say much for the batting. For a side that started with so much confidence they seem to be out of knick collectively. Pujara is struggling because the openers are not giving him cover. And well, kohli, he is in trouble. His series seems to have been settled by the one that came in and took his off stump as he left it. His judgement outside the off stump has been uncertain ever since. Probably Dhawan needs to come back. Gambhir was really out of sorts. I still have belief in Rohit though. How can one not! He has so much pedigree in his strokeplay unfortunately nothing to show for it!

  • myStraightTalk on August 13, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    This will be Dhoni's final Test match as a Test Captain. The result of this test series will hurt india to the 1 day world cup. Only a good test playing cricket team can win the world cup and India does not show that talent..

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Part 3 Dhoni's best fit is ODI; and he has shown that he human and is no more invincible in T20 anymore. The 2014 IPL was a testament of his ebbing glory.... Ravi Aswin for Test Captainship for 2-3 years and depending on his performance and till someone else elevates and earn the rights to claims the Test Captainship. No one guy can be a shrewd tactician in T20, ODI and Test. These are completely different games. T20 is a brawl, ODIs, a battle but Test is a war; you need warrior not soldier or street smart brawler for Test and Dhoni is mere a goalkeeper.

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 13:40 GMT

    Part 2 As the name suggests "Test Cricket" is truly test of your cricketing skill and bits and pieces players like Jadeja, Binny, even Dhoni's lack of skill will be exposed sooner or later. Dhoni was lucky to have the greatest batsmen of all times in the form of Dravid and Tendulkar; and great supporting cast of Ganguly and Laxman in the middle but that Era is gone. Dhoni is exposed and he does not enjoy test cricket (known fact from the beginning) so should let go or forced to let go of Test Captainship. He is now inept for Test Captainship and Cricket. The guy who has bigger ego than his country (1.2 billion) should not be sustained as captain, period. Albeit he is so powerful now that he chose his own destiny, he should not forget there is nothing bigger than cricket and he has to accept his fall from grace. Even SRT lacked the charm in the twilight of his career so who is Dhoni, a goal keeper who made fortune keeping wickets.

  • FishTail on August 13, 2014, 13:39 GMT

    Part 1 I know it's not the right time to start captainship controversy but we need to talk about it such that we see a change when the team flies down under. Dhoni should step down form Test Captainship and Perhaps Aswin who is the unfortunate candidate to be left out due to inclusion of Jadeja, should be made captain. I don't think there is any automatic and stable player in white for India beside Dhoni, who is only there because he is captain. Beside Dhoni, I think Aswin is the 1st automatic choice spinner in both Home and away test and should be made captain. I thought of Pujara and Kohli too but India needs them immensely as a pure batsmen and any additional pressure is better if avoided. Dhoni should be replaced by other capable wicketkeeper in test, yes only in test because he is too good of player and effective captain in shorter version of the game.

  • Nampally on August 13, 2014, 13:18 GMT

    @rk_ks: Vijay has scored in SA, NZ & England apart from his scores on the Indian wkts. You read my comments (contd) only, because my earlier comments got "missed" out by Cricinfo! I clearly commented on lack of proper batting technique of some of our modern stars which includes Kohli- relies more on hand -eye coordination than correct foot work. Pujara, Vijay, Rahane , Ashwin are more "Old schooled" or conventional batsmen- getting right behind the ball on back foot defence & to he pitch of the ball on the front defence. In addition the bat remains straight not slant. Kohli has been getting out with half cock defence with slant bat at the balls on or outside the off stump. Anderson has noted this & gets him out each time! Unless Kohli corrects this he will continue his bad spell. The current squad is not the best when Yadev the pace bowler is omitted & the opening bats for India not right. Uthappa, Rahul, Nair, Chand, Jadhev wee Not considered as openers instead of Gambhir- Why?

  • Y2G_87 on August 13, 2014, 10:46 GMT

    Not sure how much sense it makes.

    Why not make Ashwin open along with Vijay, even though he has not done at international level.

    Than it opens a slot for a specialist batsman, bowler or allrounder, in which Ojha can be accommodated.

    I have seen Dhoni bowling with good pace and carry, so why not Dhoni bowl few tidy medium as fourth seamer, this particular move will get a extra seamer, a better wicket keeper without loosing Dhoni and last but not least he will learn importance of fifth bowler in test.

    So the playing XI can be,

    Vijay, Ashwin, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Ojha, Rohith, Dhoni, Bhuvaneshwar, Aaron, Sharma/Shami

    It might look odd leaving Jadeja, but this might work, because he has not troubled any right handed batsmen (frankly speaking not any) as of now.

  • spot_on on August 13, 2014, 10:35 GMT

    Show them guys Kohli and Pujara where they belong. There are ample batting talent in the pool as well as bowling. Sack Dhoni and Jadeja sorts from test cricket. Give those non-performing players a boot and bring in guys who are proving themselves at first class.

  • on August 13, 2014, 6:41 GMT

    India proved once again they cant do anything in overseas....Mr.Dhoni should pick best 11 to win matches.

  • on August 13, 2014, 5:14 GMT

    What everyone is forgetting is the great batting talent Moeen possesses.

  • on August 13, 2014, 5:10 GMT

    I don't understand why shami is not playing instead if pankaj, who Dhoni was only bowling so he could get his first test wicket. And wow, he is absolutely clueless In his batting, shami would probably score at least another 25 runs before getting out

  • sureshsai on August 13, 2014, 4:29 GMT

    see Indian team facing drawback of batting and bowling issue. Dhoni all ways take decisions inside filed environment those decisions not proper guide to win or draw the match. the order of player 5th test 1. Gambhir . 2 Vijay 3. Pujara 4. rohit 5.Ashwin 6.Rahane 7. Dhoni 7. jadeja 8. Bhuvi 9. binny10. Aaron . I am believing these player unconditional or conditionally they show better performance. series 2-2 result is draw i am very confident. give to chance rohit has opening Gambhir is 1ST down.

  • mayuresh11 on August 13, 2014, 4:19 GMT

    according to me ashwin & should be drop if ali england spiner who takes 18 wk in 4 match in there pitches than what a wast to take ashiwin an jadeja for the tour they bowl like part time bowler and bat like a batsman ? so i dont know y they was pick they r playing as a bolwer or a batsman we dont know and because of more allrounders in the team team is not performing in bot the department

  • Gauti82 on August 13, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    We can not entirely blame indian batsman for the poor techniques against spinners, because they dont face quality spinners in FC cricket let alone in nets...in nets they are facing Jadeja and Ashwin, we can not call them as Test Spinners....Last generation indian batsmen are great players of spin in any condition, because they bat against world class spinners in the nets, comprising Kumble, Bhajji, Kartik etc...Another importanat fact to be noted here is the poor captaincy by Dhoni especially in Tests, for him, spinners are here to controll runs, you are not giving any confidents to ur spinners and let them bowl to specific batsman for continued period of 10 overs or so to be in that so called grove...dhoni will put longon/off fielders, sweepers and tell them to bowl negative lines...ridicules...

  • supercoolfan on August 13, 2014, 0:36 GMT

    The current India XI is a group of players; not a team. There is NO FOCUS, NO STRATEGY, and NO DETERMINATION. I felt dismayed to see how the Indian batsmen fell one after another without any fight. There was no plan on how to save the Test. Dhoni and Fletcher are out of ideas, I guess. This is what happens when we have a captain and coach for too long! Favoritism and complacency creeps in. It's bizarre that BCCI won't take notice of it!

  • ren1 on August 12, 2014, 23:13 GMT

    Once Dhoni win toss, he wants Gambhir out cheaply. Then he can not play Ghambhir Next match. thatswhy he bat 1st. India Lost the Match. selectors wake up. Next Match Gambhir must play. 1. Gambhir . 2 Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Naman 5. Rahane 6. Dhoni 7. Ashwin 8. Bhuvi 9. Yadav 10. Aaron 11. Ishant/ Pankaj/ Pandey India need 4 fast Bowlers and 1 spin. also Ashwin Can Bat. pls Rest Kholi he will play ODIS. No place for Jadeja.

  • whirlaway on August 12, 2014, 22:56 GMT

    Uh oh. An Indian commentator on a Cricinfo show said that spinners don't get a lot of wickets at the Oval, except when they are top-notch bowlers like Warne or Swann.

    If the Indian team goes into the game with the same attitude, Ali will get another 8 or 10 wickets in the next Test!

  • haq33 on August 12, 2014, 21:12 GMT

    When exactly in their entire cricketing history have India ever been able to justify the notion that they are one of a supposed "big 3"? Many Indian fans assumed that with financial and political control, results would naturally ensue, but that dream has clearly not materialised. Now the legends have gone and there is no chance India will have anything more than economic and political control. Other powers rose and fell. We are still waiting for India's rise. If BCCI had any shame, they would hand back their executive powers to the ostracised cricketing fraternity, eat some humble pie, and slowly try to rebuild their cricket team.

  • RipalParmar1 on August 12, 2014, 20:28 GMT

    It is a typical Indian mentality to support a player who fails in quite a few innings and then scores a century. This has been going on for generations and it is not going to change. In a way,it is good that India is failing in international cricket. People will loose interest and ultimately we will take other sports seriously.

  • on August 12, 2014, 20:06 GMT

    @RK_KS - Alongwith the lack of runs, Kohli has not spent too much time with the bat in the middle, is dropping catches as well - looks like he has lost focus. Dropping him it is not about making him pay for not performing, it is about giving the poor guy a break. With the amount of cricket being played, he is probably just unable to focus. The best performers anywhere are successful only if they are able to focus - Kohli's skills & technique are not in question, focus seems to have disappeared. Give him a slight break, maybe a jolt as well - in an attempt to help him get his focus back.

  • BashirKhalozi on August 12, 2014, 18:27 GMT

    There are just 2 things, first indian poor beating specially in the top order , so they should have an extra power and should have to play another bastsman , 2nd MooenAli's form. i think he is one the best offspineer currently and improves day by day ,but the milion question is why indian batsman are not capable to read ? i think they are very under pressure from team management truelly

  • on August 12, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    Why does it seem to me that nobody is concerned about the atrocious fielding of this Indian team. If I remember correctly, earlier Dhoni was criticizing the senior players in the team for poor fielding. But now it is the young guns like Kohli and Jadeja who are dropping catches left, right and center. Their catching is atrocious and their ground fielding is atrocious. With the standard of fielding exhibited by the other teams I think India are the worst in the business. The saddest part is that we have shown no improvement whatsoever in the past 2 years, despite the fact that the team is jam packed with youngsters.

  • Cricfever_PM on August 12, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    @whirlaway: So what is fun in India playing against Australia? Do you think they gonna thrace India by 4-0? If that happens also nothing gonna change in cricket. Winning and losing is part of game and we are ready to face it and we have cheered India when we thrace Aus 4-0 and if they beat us we will back them rather blame it. There is a saying that the day dream never come true so 1st you concentrate and win the serious against India (it's yet to win) in Eng and think of other team as just two wins doesn't give you success and the lose at leeds and people start park at Cook.

  • nisithchatur on August 12, 2014, 17:49 GMT

    The last Ind tour to SA if you see and remember the pitches.the pitches in SA looks same as of Indian pitches were bowl was not bouncing more then waist.I have never seen such kind of pitches in SA.If Kholi and Pujara hav scored runs in those pitches does not meant they hav scored in SA. once they go to down under we will see how good players they are against Mitch,Harris and co. 4 test matces in End and still not a fluent half century.

  • whirlaway on August 12, 2014, 17:27 GMT

    Indian fans who are looking forward to Aussies thrashing England in 2015, have to keep one thing in mind - before the Aussies play England in England, India will have to play the Aussies in Australia!

  • on August 12, 2014, 16:42 GMT

    England has to work hard for winning or drawing the next test so that the series can be won and in no way things can be taken for granted. Gone are those days of getting demoralized after one or two losses and nowadays teams can rebound back any time so england should not take india for granted. England should put their best effort at the oval test and try to get a draw at the least. Cook should try to stay at the crease as long as possible instead of going for silly shots like he did in the manchester test. Good runs from the top order is important otherwise there will be struggle again and a team cannot always rely on late order batsmen to fire. Good lucks England!

  • on August 12, 2014, 16:39 GMT

    Indian cricket has become painful to watch for fans all around the world. 20/20 has indeed ruined cricket for India. All the money in the world can't save this shameful team that displays zero discipline. Yet again the batsmen have been found wanting in foreign conditions. The indian board wants to flex its muscles, all the rules, all the laws, everything they have asked for they have gotten. Yet still India fails over and over again. If spin was all that mattered India might have been more successful but despite being a spin nation what have they got to show for it? What have they won recently with spin? Until India learns how to play fast bowling properly this excuse for a team will never win. Test cricket is the ultimate form of the game, yet India hides behind its glossy 20/20 cricket league and pseudo stars. Even at home they are not the force they once were. For a new generation of fans, there is no appeal to watch this team play, only pain as we see indiscipline and disgrace.

  • JustIPL on August 12, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    Since there is all the emphasis on Moeen's bowling, his batting capabilities are getting hidden behind the heaps of wickets he took against indians and also bagged Sanga twice that Ajmal could not do. Moeen almost saved a game for england against powerful SL side and also was executing MoJo at Lords before falling to short ball. He looked like negotiated short balls in the last test innings but then missed a fuller one. So, eagerly looking for Mo to score a century.

  • rk_ks on August 12, 2014, 16:27 GMT

    It's better if Dhoni voluntarily gives up without playing the match. Because even when they are playing, the team will just give up without any fight and are going to lose. They will not show any improvement at all and they will not show any signs of hitting back hard. At least they can get some vacation before the limited overs format.

  • rk_ks on August 12, 2014, 16:06 GMT

    @Nampally: Vijay has the right batting technique. Scoring once in every ten matches doesn't count even if somebody has good technique. Before Eng series everyone claimed to drop Vijay. Now all of a sudden he has become very good for just 2 innings. We Indians are always consistent about changing our opinion. Same thing happened with Ishant Sharma. He took 6 wickets in a match out of the last 20 matches and you want to keep him in the team. Have some patience and give Kohli, Pujara a chance. When you can persist with Vijay and Ishant for some 25 odd test matches why not Kohli and Pujara.

  • on August 12, 2014, 15:32 GMT

    Its a shame that Indian lead spinner was unable to take any wickets. Dhoni came here with a poor team. current indian team doesnt look like a team which can play test cricket.

  • fifer on August 12, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    I Hope Indian team puts up an improved performance at the oval, if not, its time for MSD to decide on his future not only as test captain, but also a test keeperbat. I'm sure fans wont love to see this kinda performance yet again in AUS! for me either Pujara or Ashwin should take over as test captain, though it will be a big test for both of them. and for goodness sake kick that "hit out or get out" Jadeja out of test squad.

  • JustIPL on August 12, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    WhoCaresAboutIPL: ALI is in total control of his deliveries. Still did not bwol the doosra but mixes turning ones with straighter ones beautifully. Indian batsmen have no clue at all what is coming next.

  • on August 12, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    Some people (and selectors) believe that once the likes of Kohli, Pujara etc., scored runs decades ago, they are entitled to keep scoring ducks and 2s or 3s for the next ten series.

  • on August 12, 2014, 14:44 GMT

    "Indian batsman caught in two minds ... they cannot quite decide whether to hit him (Moheen) for a four or a six" - so they get out instead then! Such comments are clearly what was circulating in Dhoni's head and which has now crystallized so dramatically in abject test defeats. Which is - "Moheen is a part-timer, we LET him bowl well, carry on trying to smite him out of the ground" Such conceit masked the fact that Moheen bowled some good deliveries, has a good cricket brain, and is improving all the time. How well he fares against Australia - or South Africa - is a question for the future. As far as this series is concerned, the Indian team's lack of respect for Moheen is directly related, so far, to his current success. RB

  • on August 12, 2014, 14:43 GMT

    A lot of Kohli bashing here so lets put it all in context here. Kohli averages 37 in Aus (not the worst), 78 in NZ, and 68 in SA. Those are super numbers outside the subcontinent. FIRST poor run since he started playing, and suddenly the mob cannot wait to lynch him.

  • luv_indo.cric on August 12, 2014, 14:40 GMT

    for the last test we have to draw the series. dont compare india with sri lanka.because if this were a two matched series ind is won. but itz not dat. for the final drop jaddu.too much trying him if raina is given a chance instead him, he would have been a better counterstriker than jaddu. dhoni is fed up with long format wket keeping bring naman ojha by resting kohli or pujara. GG should give anothr chance as well as Rsharma. varun bhuvi and ishant/iswar will be good choice.

  • Ajith1985 on August 12, 2014, 14:40 GMT

    Virat need Energy Boosters.Total loss of confidence for Indian batsmen and there is serious fatigue visible in them.

  • luv_indo.cric on August 12, 2014, 14:31 GMT

    plz admit that indian face attack is still growing and they missed their experienced bowler Ishant. so that it is not the fact indian are worst they are collecting experiences.happy to see english struggeled against him.well formed ballance was removed and cook and ali.dont forget anderson and broad have lot of experience now but at one stage he was shot 6 6s in an over.

  • Nampally on August 12, 2014, 14:17 GMT

    (Contd): Now that India have exposed rather cavaliar & irresponsible attitude to Test Cricket, they need to question themselves whether they can win a Test series with this approach. Dhoni's 100% loss record overseas is clear reflection. So the change must start with their attitude. Test matches need patient & disciplined batting over the entire series by all XI players. They did this in the first 2 Tests. But the last 2 were exact opposite of the first 2. Can they bring back that discipline & patience & will to win from the Lords Test? The series rests upon this positive winning attitude. Dhoni squandered it at Southampton by his irrational XI. The Oval pitch will not be as fast as Old Trafford but this is the same ground where Laker took 19 wkts. in a single test. Vijay, Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin & Kumar have right batting technique. Temper it with discipline & patience. Similarly the bowlers Kumar, Aaron, Ishant, Ashwin & Shami should rise to the occasion & deliver. Good Luck India!

  • on August 12, 2014, 13:56 GMT

    don't think every match to win.. even aus also struggled in Ind. sa also struggled vs Australia. eng lost against aus and SL. aus lost to nz. its all happens in every type of sports. we need to accept everything weather loss or win. just love d game.

  • whirlaway on August 12, 2014, 13:54 GMT

    @landl47: Yes, Dhoni said they have to be "positive" against Moeen Ali. What does it mean anyway? Most of them got out trying to hit aggressive shots against Ali. This shows he is still in the IPL mood. Dhoni himself got out to a rash shot when he should have known that there was a pretty good chance that the entire next 6 sessions were likely to be lost to rain. What was he thinking?

    In another interview, Dhoni said there were many close-in fielders?! WHAT??!! Again, it is the IPL brain talking there. They are not used to having slips, silly point, forward short leg, backward short leg etc. Probably makes them claustrophobic now, eh?!

  • yogesh.gg on August 12, 2014, 13:53 GMT

    Cricfever_PM: India won Lords Test because of genius of Rahane , perseverance of Bhuvi and panic attack of English batsmen in last innings where they gifted wickets to a mediocre Ishant Sharma. Kohli and Pujara failed there as well. Point is that we have to make players accountable otherwise they may become complacent. India has no dearth of talent and there is no harm at all in having a healthy competition by trying out other players like Ojha , Tiwary , Jadhav, Rayudu etc. You can't play someone only on basis of his talent. Dhoni has to go without any question after this series.

  • on August 12, 2014, 13:51 GMT

    just remember how well kohli pujara dawan performed in sa nz oz

  • CanuckCricket on August 12, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    I remember Kris Srikanth saying the Sri Lankans are no better than the Indians when playing spin ahead of the World T20 final. Obviously they are, the Sri Lankans did better against Moeen.

  • cric1965 on August 12, 2014, 13:31 GMT

    India has to blame themselves for their defeat. They sacrifice 19 wickets to Moon Ali, part time spinner up to now. If Indians cannot face part time spinner specially out side the sub continent how can they face genuine spinner inside the sub continent. This expose the quality and form in this present Indian test side.

  • Cricfever_PM on August 12, 2014, 13:09 GMT

    Our main problem is we wanted our top players to perform everytime. Guys Yes top orders didn't perform well but it doesn't mean you drop kohli and pujara as these two have really played well in almost all the matches and this serious will make them better batsmen so stop criticize them and try to live with the reality rather then comparing with others. We lost 0-4 in 2011 with all the legends in the side but this team have showed some fighting spirit and won a test match. if you keep drop the player who didn't play for 3 or 4 matches them entire Indian citizens has to make debut, even Gavasker have scored only 100+ runs in his 1st Eng tour and kohli have performed well in Australia, SA and NZ so there is no doubt about his technique and it's just a matter of time that he scores 100.

  • JustIPL on August 12, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    Simply stating Sri Lanka played Moeen much better than Indians did. Cook relied more on the quickies as a result. Against india moeen has been much successful due to very weak indian batting lineup. English quickies have also been very successful against India despite bowling too much outside of the off. Looking at the stats moeen bowled 13 overs per innings against SL and 17 overs per innings against Ind so far. On the other hand I don't believe that Moeen was included as a part time bowler as his county figures show he is a potent doosra. Dhoni/Ashwin played him okay and survived longer. So, lets face the facts which is a better way to live.

  • Al_Bundy1 on August 12, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    It's time to get rid of non-performers - Kohli and Pujara. Play batsmen from India A team who did so well against Australia A and South Africa A teams - Naman Ojha and Kedar Jhadav. But Jhadav is not even there in the squad. At least play Ojha instead of Kohli.

  • yogesh.gg on August 12, 2014, 12:23 GMT

    baghels.a : There are multiple things , one is flaws which have crept in technique due to over exposure to T20 style of cricket , another is hunger/will to perform well in longer version of game which requires relentless concentration over long period of time. When these guys are paid so heftily over such a short period , they sort of lose their hunger to perform well in longer version. SA gave us dry pitches that's why we did decently well there. NZ is not that strong at all and I don't think that tour churned out any unique positives. SA and NZ tours were just before IPL and why is it that just after IPL , again same drama started exactly same as it happened in 2011.Another is your captain who seems to think that this team can't win consistently and he is such a defensive captain as we all know. What coach is doing is anybody's guess as well. So i think IPL,T20 is part of the problem and not just the ONLY problem.

  • on August 12, 2014, 12:20 GMT

    It cannot be denied, what is helping Moenn Ali take all those wickets is that he has got the Indian batsman caught in two minds ... they cannot quite decide whether to hit him for a four or a six.

  • King-Cobra on August 12, 2014, 12:04 GMT

    I am wondering this. Why every senior pro (Gavaskar, Kapil, Venky, Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid etc) are keeping mum about it. Are they being kept quiet by the board? I feel they should lash the coach/captain/individuals at such inept performances. They just cannot keep silent all the time. Fans are reaching their limits of patience. Remember that there are thousands of good players waiting for a chance. Play or Perish please.

  • RipalParmar1 on August 12, 2014, 11:39 GMT

    Virat Kohli is an over-rated batsman, this fact cannot be denied. Sehwag is indeed a far better batsman than most of the players in the current team. Harbhajan is far better spinner than most of the players in the current team but they both can not be in the team until Dhoni is the captain. So forget everything and believe that nothing has happened, it will be surely 3-1.

  • on August 12, 2014, 10:39 GMT

    Lokesh01210-Really funny seeing your comments...you are missing these "Great Players"-remember the famous 4-0 loss against Eng and Aus came when all these players were very much in the team. The mistake Dhoni made then (because in India seniors cannot be dropped)was not to change and include fresh blood then...now we are facing the music once again.

    The less said about Tendulkar's performance in those 8 test matches the better

  • rkannancrown on August 12, 2014, 10:37 GMT

    The problem is not in the game plan but in the execution. Any school level cricketer would also tell you that you need to settle in and then play your shots. Moen is an average spinner but he bowls some good deliveries and each ball must be played on merrit - not on ego.Positive cricket does not mean hitting every ball but waiting for the loose ball and punishing it.

  • on August 12, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    Moeen has been a surprise performance for me.I never thought a part timer would be so effective against the Indian batsmen considered to be the best to handle spin in the world.Moeen is a wicket to wicket bowler wo keeps thing simple, yet some of his deliveries are straighter ones delivered at some speed that flummox the batsmen most.Moeen should be played late because there is every chance of getting beaten in flight due to the said speed if the batsman advances down the crease.

  • on August 12, 2014, 10:15 GMT

    Everyone will get in form once they come back and bat on dead track where ball keep below the knee everyone will start praising and making them "GOD". Last time when team lost 4-0 4-0 team was playing with all many GOD. The only thing we fan like is individual records 100/200...no matter team win or loose.

  • baghels.a on August 12, 2014, 10:07 GMT

    Too many Indian fans are blaming these defeats on some structural and systemic deficiencies and blaming IPL,overdose of 50 cricket, as i had commented earlier people with inherent biases and agendas are bringing IPL and 50 overs into it , then how do you explain the Lord's win ?? encouraging performances in SA and NZ ?? India has been losing in overseas conditions long before IPL came in.I saw similar discourse when Australia was beaten by England last summer , Aussie posters were saying IPL,BBL,too much 50 overs cricket has destroyed the technique of young Aussie batters and Shield cricket was being undermined but i guess after Aus thrashed Eng 5-0 in the latest Ashes all that has changed.Playing Country cricket might help medium pacers build stamina like Zaheer Khan and spinners to be patient but it does not help or transform a batsman,out of all English players only Sam Robson plays regularly at County level and he looks the worst English player out there in terms of technique.

  • on August 12, 2014, 10:04 GMT

    sehwag is still much better player then some of the current Indian player playing in 11

  • WhoCaresAboutIPL on August 12, 2014, 10:00 GMT

    I think Moeen has bowled well - better than the Chef expected - but many of his wickets were really earned by the opening bowlers. He was meant to be light relief and has proved to be a lot better than steady. Like many off-spinners his straight on delivery is really a failed off-break. If the bowler is not sure if it an when it will turn how can the batsman know? As far as next summer's Ashes are concerned, I feel it is still quite open. At least a part is which MJ will turn up - in 2009 for those who remember - he was cannon fodder and was dropped. I think the slower English wickets will still tend to limit his pure speed threat. Indeed Messrs Harris and Siddle may be more of a problem (if fit). I also feel the Oz batting is just as brittle - this was true even last winter - it is just that the tail did not come to the rescue in 2009 or 2013.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 12, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    @Valavan, its called transference, wanting another team to beat the team that beat yours, you often see it in Football football fans who will support a different club if I means the club they hate getting beat. Eg Liverpool fans supporting City when City plays United.

    In the End a lot can happen in the next 12 months, Aus could lose the services of Harris, Johnson, Haddin and Rodger. Don't care which team you are the loss of four experienced players is going to hurt.

  • spinkingKK on August 12, 2014, 9:32 GMT

    This Indian team haven't done anything its predecessors haven't done. It is normal to see Indian wickets tumble in overseas conditions. So, what is the big deal? My suggestion to the Indian selectors is to become tough. Nobody should be bigger than the team. It was time to drop Pujara or Kohli for N.Ojha in the fourth test and that didn't happen. The same thing happened in India's last Australian tour when it was time to drop Dravid or Laxman for the second test to bring in the in-form Rohit Sharma. But, never happened. By dropping a player, they shouldn't think that the player has been insulted. The team comes first. If there are possible better alternative available, the team should try that. If that didn't work out, the dropped player can always come back if he was good enough. Dhoni is now playing good and keeping decently. But, if there is another keeper who is too good a talent to ignore, they have to replace Dhoni with that wicket keeper. Always play with the best available 11.

  • on August 12, 2014, 9:25 GMT

    Whatever happened to this highly rated Indian team?? Getting thrashed by England on two occasions so far. It is a pity that Kohli and some of the other batsmen are in poor form in this brand of cricket. Is it the cause for playing too much of T20 cricket which produces unorthodox play thereby ruining the orthodox styles of many a player. The Indian cricket board will do well to analyze this downfall and restrict the T20 version of the game to a great extent instead of trying to make a windfall with each T20 tournament which seems to have an effect on their players. Thankfully players in other test playing countries do not have the same T20 exposure as the Indian players and thereby adapt themselves to the longer version without much difficulty and bring positive results.

  • dunger.bob on August 12, 2014, 9:24 GMT

    @ Valavan: As abrasive as it may be to many of my compatriots what you said is pretty much the truth. We Aussies have our problems that's for sure. The only thing I can guarantee is that we're trying like crazy to fix them. Other than that it's a case of worry about that bridge when we come to it.

  • nlight on August 12, 2014, 9:01 GMT

    Only time will tell whether this analysis is correct. Personally, I hope that Mo will continue to be a match-winner when conditions are favourable and play a holding role to rest our seamers, otherwise. In other words, I see no reason why he cannot become a fully-fledged replacement for Swann and possibly even surpass the latter's achievements. Perhaps, in time, he might even perfect a legal doosra, although this would make him exceptional indeed.

  • lokesh0210 on August 12, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    Bored & Tired of seeing this team losing matches abroad :( 4-0 vs Eng 2-1 vs Eng (Home) 4-0 vs Aus 1-0 vs SA 1-0 vs NZ and now 2-1 vs Eng already

    I miss Sachin(God), Dada(Captain), Dravid(The Wall), Laxman(Very very special), Veeru(2 times triple centurion) & Kumble(Jumbo) very very very much :(

    I hate Dhoni(in Tests), Jadeja(in all formats), New Openers & so called replacements of all above players.

    Lastly, Fletcher isn't John Wright or Kirsten, New Openers aren't collectively as effective as Sehwag alone, Poojara isn't Dravid for God's sake, Kohli is light years away from Sachin (the greatest batsman of all time), Dhoni doesn't have fire that Dada carried when toured England & start winning tests for us even on foreign soil.

    God save our Indian Cricket in the absence of Tendulkar please - he was a batting school our team always had available in the pavilion, ground & nets in last 24yrs.

    And we're not gonna win matches on Aus tour, neither the mighty World Cup :(

  • Valavan on August 12, 2014, 8:47 GMT

    i have no clue why Indian supporters look for England demolition in Ashes 2015. It depends upon the team management at that time. England lost 5 - 0 even in 2007 but that never affected their revenge series in 2009 when england was just after the defeat in the hands of WI. England batting flopped in Australia. Yes that does not mean Australia remains unbeatable, yes if England can make the Oz batting flop, whatever Mitch, Ryan can do, they cannot save themselves from defeat. example is Oval test 2013, 227 Target in 46 overs, rain interupted and clarke the so called sportive captain immediately walked back when england were 206 in 40 overs, If england can make plans to rout the lower middle order of Oz, they can have a hand in ashes, but ashes is 50 - 50. Oz defeated SA in 2009 away and unearthed Marcus North and he disappeared after ashes 2009, now the same case Aussies defeated SA recently, England can finish the career of some of aging pacemen. cricinfo please publish.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 12, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    Having watched the indian batsmen on the highlights, I don't think they are reading Moeen, as it appears that they play the wrong line, either playing for the arm ball when it turns or playing for turn when its the arm ball

    Having watched Moeens action, in Slow motion from behind, I cant see the difference between the two deliveries, or the ball.

  • _-Will-_ on August 12, 2014, 8:02 GMT

    To fellow Indians wondering how India might fare in Australia in a few months, we must accept that without drastic change, ie: coaches, captain and selection, we probably shouldn't bother going. Let a more deserving & competitive team go instead.

    There was a lot of talk about preparation before this series - we were assured there was plenty of it. There was also the Sri Lanka series - have our "think tank" and players even glimpsed any footage? Heaven forbid they begin analysing it. Instead, our batsmen are practicing sweep shots because clearly this is the only way Moeen Ali can be subdued. All part of the "process" of being "positive". Believe all this stuff at your own peril.

    And to Indians who are predicting England's demolition next Ashes, I don't follow the logic (if there is any?). How will that result help us improve?

    We need to improve. To hope that other teams deteriorate for whatever reason is shameful and an affront to the very spirit of this game we claim to love.

  • yogesh.gg on August 12, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    India should prepare different team with different captain for test matches. Players like Rahane , Pujara , Ashwin,Vijay can be added from current lot. These players should be discouraged from playing any T20 stuff and should be compensated with higher slab contracts. Every now and then defence comes that Virat etc have been playing too much T20 and some flaws have crept into their technique. Since India plays too much cricket this kind of performance is going to be repeated again and again in test matches if we don't recognise the problem with system and rectify it. BCCI should take care of T20 and ODI's only if they want and we can have separate body for controlling Tests if possible. These set of players should try to play in county and other countries as much as they can.

  • on August 12, 2014, 7:39 GMT

    Every ball should be treated / played its merit . cricket is a funny game as sometimes reputations of a player doesn't work

  • on August 12, 2014, 7:30 GMT

    We got trashed by England and getting thrashed in a test match is no big deal. What is a big deal is losing 0-8 versus England and Australia then Against SA and NZ and not accepting the fact that there is something inherently work with the overall thinking, captaincy,selection and planning and the unwilling to first accept it is even more dangerous. Let us all Indian fans that there is something majorly wrong with this team , captaincy and coaching included.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 12, 2014, 7:30 GMT

    @DanielRob, to be fair Dhoni I the one tat dug them out of a hole in the first innings at old Trafford with 71. and 27 in the second innings so with a match Agg of 98 runs was by far the best batsman in that test.

    As far as captaincy goes hes in a more difficult position than Cook, if he loses here and then again in Aus I cant see him lasting.

  • dee135 on August 12, 2014, 7:26 GMT

    Whoever plays for india today or will be playing for india in the future cannot win test match or series on foreign soils if they play for survival rather than attacking....the same is happening here in england when they play broad and anderson for surviving and getting out cheaply

  • on August 12, 2014, 7:18 GMT

    What the English team could not find in more than a year, India did it for them in a matter of 2 test matches - a life line for their captain, a "star" spin bowler, an "Adam Gilchrist" of a wicket keeper. Now if India can get the opener in to form, England will be qa competitive team against all teams other than Australia and South Africa.

  • on August 12, 2014, 7:17 GMT

    and the team should beVijay gambir/dhavan pujara kohli rahanae dhoni ashwin kumar aaron ishant (if fit)or pankaj and ishwar.it has 6 batsmen 2 bowling all rounders and 3 genuine fast bowlers.captain gambir or kohli or ashwin.

  • jmcilhinney on August 12, 2014, 7:15 GMT

    @indian1986 on (August 12, 2014, 5:53 GMT), a point to note: Duncan Fletcher did coach England but he is not an English coach. He hails from Zimbabwe. While it may seem wrong for these Indian batsmen to be practising sweeping when past greats didn't use the stroke all that much, they were only doing so because the same techniques so successfully by those past greats were already failing.

  • on August 12, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    the best thing that can happen to Indian test cricket right now is removing captaincy from dhoni. he completely mis manages his team. it Might suit odis and t20.but not tests.well.who ll replace him. ?I say anyone else can replace him.its not gonna get worse.but it might get better.kohli,.if given captaincy he might come back to form due to added responsibility.or gambir or ashwin.

  • on August 12, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    y is dhoni still supporting jadeja. its obvious to anyone who sees him that he isn't a test player.!!but dhoni keeps on giving chance to jadeja. if "the more he plays the better he ll get" what dhoni says of jadeja,then it should apply to everyone. y drop binny after two matches, y drop dhavan after 3 matches.but y not drop jadeja even after 4 matches in which he miserably failed in last two.!!clearly dhoni is very partial towards jadeja,god knows why.!!binny,clearly no one knows y he was picked in the first place.one thing I want to ask dhoni. y pick him if u are not gonna bowl him!!30 overs in two tests combined. that's nothing compared to the total overs.it not only reduces his confidence but also can have huge negative impact in his carrier itself.!!a captain should know better.

  • Vijendar on August 12, 2014, 6:48 GMT

    Regarding Virat kohli i would say one can surely get out in cricket ,but manner in which he is getting out is worrying ...i think he is thinking himself as a great batsman that is the reason for his downfall.

    Disciple is the key thing and this team lack that ...starting from Virat to Jadega...

  • pan22 on August 12, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    Real test of present English team will be in Ashes series. They performed well against the todays weakest force in the longer format of the game due to their over exposure to tamasha cricket like IPL. T20.As in the past after winning 2011 test series against India they suffered loss against Pakistan ,Srilanka.SA and Australia .So we cricket followers in india curiously watching your game to realize how far you are really star performing team.

  • DanielRob on August 12, 2014, 6:40 GMT

    MS Dhoni's shelf life as a captain ( in Tests atleast ) is over. He is not a good test batsman nor a good keeper. A captain with a away test record of just 2 wins out of 18- 19 Tests is pathetic. Many are saying that this Indian side does not have Dhoni's replacement so better stick with him. Its absolutely ridiculous. Gambhir is far better captain than MSD. Give him test captaincy. That guy is gutsy even if he is not scoring runs. He relishes challenge. That will bring the best out of him. Virat is not a captaincy material, he is under a lot of pressure whenever he captains a side. Ronit is better captain than Virat. Test captaincy should be given to Gambhir/ Ashwin/ Pujara.

  • HassanBadiwale on August 12, 2014, 6:29 GMT

    India are getting beaten by England. England bowlers bowl at a speed around 135 to 140kp. How they will play in Australia later this year where Johnson constantly bowls around 150 kph. current Johnson form makes him even more dangerous for Indian younsters career specially Dhawan, Rohit,Vijay and kohli. Indian Bowlers such as kumar and shami will be tested against in form warner and Co India will lose series 3-1 in england and 4-0 or 3-0 in australia.

  • on August 12, 2014, 6:11 GMT

    Indians have accepted the fact that one day cricket destroys the technique of batsmen and Kohli has fallen prey

  • dunger.bob on August 12, 2014, 6:07 GMT

    @ Samdanh : Thank you, thank, thank you. I've been trying to get that point across for years now but felt as though I was banging my head against a brick wall. .. I couldn't usually even get published and the few times I did no-one could see the irony involved. So to you, good sir, many blessings.

  • indian1986 on August 12, 2014, 5:53 GMT

    I just want to ask... Kohli Hatters, has the greats of the game never had a lean patch? everyone does and he will come out of it. The problem is both pujara and Kohli are in bad nick which is there FIRST of there career so give them a break. Let them struggle and get thru it, it will make them better cricketers.

    Coming to Moeen Ali, no doubt tht he has bowled well but i feel a English coach is ruining the ability of indian players to play spin. Clearly whoever has come up with the idea of sweeping lack the knowledge to play spin. When was the last time u saw one of the greats Dravid sweeping? Indian batsmen has to get there mindset right and use there feet to Moeen not necessarily for a big shot but even to take singles or smother the spin if there is any.

  • Yasiransari on August 12, 2014, 5:40 GMT

    Moeen Ali is like a Social or History subjects, Student trying to be overcautious against Maths or Science, they forget that even History can make ample damage to their score sheet, Which is exactly happened Moeen Taking Wicket in English condition....

  • cricfansince91 on August 12, 2014, 5:38 GMT

    Taking nothing away from Moeen's performance I would say the regime of Fletcher-Dhoni is equally responsible for this poor show by Indians against spin. Fletcher comes from a land which is not renowned for spinners and would give solutions like practicing sweep which does not come naturally to Indians who use their feet, over here Dhoni should have stepped in and showed faith in youngsters like Kohli-Pujara & others to not get swayed by 1-2 failures and asked them to trust in Indian method!! But with a negative captain and a foreign coach now we have done England a favour by creating an unplayable bowler out of part-timer and two established batsmen confused and having lost faith in their own abilities

  • _-Will-_ on August 12, 2014, 5:36 GMT

    The entire Indian camp - coaching staff, captain and players, should not feel they are beneath taking a leaf out of Moeen Ali's book.

    What I refer to, and admire, is Ali's willingness to recognise his weaknesses and do the actual work required to improve on these. In other words, he is humble enough to accept that he is not the finished article, but proud enough to work hard towards improving his skills. Furthermore, he has chosen not to defer learning until after the series - he's pretty much working things out on the fly.

    To me this is an indication of a diligent, disciplined and determined mind. Such individuals usually thrive in life, regardless of career choice.

    Moeen Ali will be tested by much sterner opposition in the future. He has earned fairly and squarely the opportunity to prove his mettle when the time comes.

    For all the talk of process and other rhetoric from a certain other individual, Ali has instead quietly gone about his business and actually done something.

  • niazbhi on August 12, 2014, 5:02 GMT

    Most of us are trying to analyze Moeen's game; All cricket analysis has to match the empirical results. Underwood did not spin more, he still got wickets. Maninder Sigh had all the arsenals of a left arm bowler, his career ended as an average one.Kapil had huge outswinger, Imran had inswinger (which is less lethal, Imran was quicker, but he slowed down). Imran was still more lethal. Moeen is bowling well got wickets in recent seasons, got wickets whenever he got to bowl against SL, got wickets against India. India went after him, he got wickets. They played defensively he got wickets.. You can do all your analysis. Rahul Dravid and Greg Chappel are already calling more of a genuine bowler than a part timer. Give the other side some credit... it only improves your chance against that side on the next time..

  • anver777 on August 12, 2014, 4:59 GMT

    Asian giants, India was foxed by Moeen Ali in the last test... he's improving in every game & a real find as a spinning all rounder for Eng !!!! A good future ahead !!!!

  • Realistic_cri_fan on August 12, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    As far as this so called captain cool is in the team, there is no hope.He is the worst strategic captain in 200 years of cricket!!Look at his field placings for the bowlers.There is always that famous leg slip in place.The ball goes there once in 30 overs.He simply don't know how to set field placings according to the weakness of the batsman or according to the strength of the bowler.A simple answer to why Mooenalitharan got wickets is that he got right fielders at right place.A good example is against Jadeja, everyone was inside the circle at there was no single available.So Jadeja had to go either over the top or defend the 6 balls.Poor Jadeja don't know how to defend and got caught at slips.If it was Dhoni, there always single available.Poor team selection,poor field placings,poor wicket keeping..how many poor??He simply has to go.

  • on August 12, 2014, 4:38 GMT

    But this whole article is misleading and the recent trend of thought that Moeen is the damager in force is as well, no? India have struggled for a few years now against all countries with the exception of SL, BD, NZ. Counting back to 2011 onwards, I thought the Indian bats were truly uncomfortable playing the likes of - Shillingford WI, Panesar & Swann Eng, Lyon Aus, Phangiso SA and Moeen Eng. I remember even Sachin was at sea against the ball that straightened and was repeatedly lbw or bowled. All were completely lost against Lyon who kept getting better and better as the series went on. Only Pujara was able to save face. SA was overall ineffective because Tahir was rubbish, and Duminy was avg. Ajmal always gives them trouble but they are yet to play a serious test match against Pak. ODIs are easier to get away. The batters are stuck are at the crease, not sure what to do. Funny to see Ashwin play like "I don't really understand what's all the big deal about?". Can he open?

  • landl47 on August 12, 2014, 4:37 GMT

    Moeen has bowled well, much better than I thought he would (or indeed could). He has listened to advice from the right people and put it into practice. The Indian mindset against him has been wrong, as exemplified by MSD's comments about being 'positive'. This is test cricket, not IPL. The England batsmen know that Jadeja and Ashwin are good short-format bowlers, so they have been content to play them carefully. The result: Ashwin didn't take a wicket in the match and Jadeja's wickets have cost 45 apiece in the series. Their economy rate rate has been good, but not good enough to stop England amassing enough runs to win in the time available.

    If India accept that Moeen is bowling well and concentrate on not getting out to him, they'll have more success overall.

  • on August 12, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    Issue is there is no exp senior test batsmen in this current indian team to show them the way so that others could follow. They forgotten why we dominated the best spinner,it is not complicated just use your feet,get to pitch of the ball and drive it in the gaps get runs..but non of them have done that. Moeen have not bowled gr8 balls to get them out,nothibg to worry just get focus right,i am sure we will win at Oval.

  • jmcilhinney on August 12, 2014, 3:59 GMT

    @whirlaway on (August 11, 2014, 19:36 GMT), why would any team select a player and then drop him after one game? Players are going to fail from time to time and it's not too surprising if they do when they've played little cricket. If you think a player is good enough to play one game and your mind can be changed by one bad game, especially for a batsman, then you shouldn't be a selector.

  • rawi_india on August 12, 2014, 3:36 GMT

    India forgot to play traditional off spin as they learn to play mystery off spin of narein,mendis play IPL as a 3 day tournement

  • yogicoolboy on August 12, 2014, 3:00 GMT

    India are treating moeen ali as englands best spinner instead of playing positive against him. I think they get scared when he comes on to bowl dont know why. If ashwin can read him well why not others

  • rk_ks on August 12, 2014, 2:20 GMT

    @ whirlaway: Because of people like you the team is not getting developed. Why do someone want to disturb Rahane who is well settled at his current position. And for god's sake why not give Gambhir another chance. Naman and Gambhir are of same age and Gambhir is way more talented than Naman. Just because Naman scored back to back centuries doesn't make him any good than Gambhir. If Naman fails for 2 matches then you will bring some other X. Give Gambhir atleast another 2 matches chance and then decide. He was a match winner once and one bad match after his return immediately take him off. If Aaron scores 3 fifties in a row, will you open innings with him. Or if Rahane takes two five wicket hauls will you open the bowling with him. Don't disturb Rahane who is well settled in his current position.

  • Sexysteven on August 12, 2014, 2:08 GMT

    Yea Cook needs to have more faith in moeens bowling he's adecent bowler better then apart time bowler abit like duminy he will do ajob for England they have no better spinners so all he has to do now is make some runs with the and and keep making a contribution with the ball very surprised the Indians have played him as badly as they have but that's credit to moeen any spinner that can bowl well to Indian batsmen must be adecent spinner

  • sray23 on August 12, 2014, 2:07 GMT

    I think India might be complicating their batting. Focussed net session, sweeping practice, etc is just muddling their minds - and for this I would blame Fletcher. For the next game it's best to keep it simple, play the ball on merit, take it ball by ball and fight like hell. These are quite young batsmen, we cannot expect to be too intellectual about their batting. All the fans want to see is some fight and desperation. I hope we still play 5 bowlers as we need to draw the series, and for that we need 20 wickets. The batsmen just need to take some responsiblity. Show fight, get through he new ball, hang in there, put some runs on the board and lets just see what happens.

  • CurrentPresident on August 12, 2014, 1:27 GMT

    I would say wrong strategy implemented properly is better than no strategy. Its all in the implementation.

    The new crop of Indian batsmen are not great players of spin - look at the success of spinners in IPL, look at the success of English spinners on India tour. Days of Veeru and Tendulkar were different - we cannot expect the same from the new batsmen.

    So just play each bowler on the merit instead of trying to dominate one specific one. If Moeen is not bowling bad balls, pay him the due respect and hit the bad ones when they duly arrive.

    The difference between a good spinner and a normal one is control and Moeen does not yet have the control to bowl six good balls an over. But, to take advantage of that you need the patience to play out three or four good balls an over. That was sadly missing.

  • jmcilhinney on August 12, 2014, 1:22 GMT

    @Starvybz on (August 11, 2014, 16:58 GMT), you mean that they'll bowl India out for under 100 in both innings, right?

  • jmcilhinney on August 12, 2014, 1:20 GMT

    @wnwn on (August 11, 2014, 17:28 GMT), people often say that a batsman got himself out rather than the bowler doing it but, often, when a batsman appears to get himself out to a ball that's not that great, it's because of the pressure built up by the previous good balls. If a batsman has had to hold cope with lots of pressure, he will often relax too much or get too excited when he sees an opportunity to score. That is still a wicket as a result of good bowling but bowlers are often not given the credit they deserve for it.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 12, 2014, 1:11 GMT

    @Jonathonjosephs-Having watched Naman in IPL he has serious tech. constraints.Firstly his laden footed back foot firmly o/s leg stump means he rarely covers line to balls cut/swinging out.Will keep nicking.Also limited front foot play,bottom hand play.

  • Melburnia on August 12, 2014, 0:53 GMT

    When I am going through the comments in Ind vs Brits in this site ,it is sad to see the disappointment of the Indian fans and a nursery rhyme we learnt when were young just stuck my mind. "Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall and Humpty Dumpty had great fall" they were ridiculing all other test playing nations specially Sri Lankans, and living the IPL bubble the bubble burst. Don't whinge taste your own medicine on this page.……face the real test this summer in down under …..we are waiting for you.

  • Batmanian on August 12, 2014, 0:24 GMT

    You can't tell whether an all-rounder like Moeen is going to be good enough on either front - and you can't endorse someone who couldn't make it as either a batsman or bowler (well, you shouldn't). At the moment, Ali's bowling is definitely Test-worthy, and his batting outstanding at times. Doing great!

  • miyer_cricinfo on August 12, 2014, 0:12 GMT

    Binny is one lower-order batsman who has shown determination and ability and was successful in saving a test match for India. Bring him back!

  • Rahulbose on August 11, 2014, 22:48 GMT

    Lot of analysis, but the answer is quite simple. The days of Indian batsmen dominating spinners are gone. The current lot are not test batsmen, they are T20 ball strikers.

  • Coolcapricorn on August 11, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    When India are even struggling against spin on this tour, it simply just shows how very poor the batting has become.

  • bford1921 on August 11, 2014, 22:26 GMT

    He is better than everybody thought, including Alistair Cook. He attacks, bowling outside off stump and forces the batters to play and he gets enough revs on the ball that if there is assistance he is getting turn and bounce. He is no mug and his skills have been underplayed by one and all. 19 wickets at 22, looks good to me, and he has compared will against both Indian spinners so far. if only he cou

  • Lmaotsetung on August 11, 2014, 22:21 GMT

    Gotta love reading all the comments from Indian fans here. That's like saying Mitchell Johnson wasn't a good bowler, just that England played stupid shots and I can guarantee you that most of the top order wickets he got in the Ashes were not hitting the stumps.

  • Lmaotsetung on August 11, 2014, 22:18 GMT

    Why no single journalist has mentioned India's team selection for OT? Days ahead of the toss, there were reports that this was going to be a pacy and lively pitch...DAYS AHEAD!!! Yet India went with 3 seamers only. Everyone including their grandmother would know that the way to go was with 4 seamers and in England's case 4 seamers and a part-time spinner. Why did India pick 2 spinners and 3 seamers for that pitch?

  • on August 11, 2014, 22:15 GMT

    Moeen Ali was Worcestershire's only spinner pretty much last season and at the beginning of this one - not a "part-timer" as so many people label him. No doubt as with other spinners (including Swanny), players will learn to work him out at some point. However, he will continue to improve himself - and probably add a mystery ball: most spinners get better with age/experience. Also his batting at some point once he steps up to Test level more regularly.

  • __PK on August 11, 2014, 22:10 GMT

    LOL. Why is Kohli working on his sweeping, when he can't cope with the quicks?

  • rickyvoncanterbury on August 11, 2014, 22:04 GMT

    OH NO ..... the poms think they have another spinner.... there goes any chance of wickets helping all bowlers in the old dart for a while.

  • RonG on August 11, 2014, 22:01 GMT

    India now have lost in Eng, Aus, SA, NZ and in Eng again; they have won 1 test match in all in all of these series. I think Dhoni should either retire from Test cricket or be sacked. India cannot do worse than what they have done and therefore it is time to try out somebody new. I do not know if Kohli is the right choice but once again he cannot do any worse than Dhoni outside India. In India even without Dhoni India may do well. Therefore India does not lose anything by trying out a new captain.

  • DeepThinking on August 11, 2014, 21:58 GMT

    No excuse for the batsman's failure...Captain is not keeping them in good spirit and right thinking...Changes we made for the fourth test is good starting point, now replace Jadeja with Binny, Pankaj with Pandey. Send Rahane ahead of Kholi, if wickets fall quickly send Ashwin ahead, just to change the mindset of our team and the opposition plan. If ur in rain without umbrella, u wont get wet, rather u look for a shade... same principle.. if ur in trouble, change the plan or usual procedure.. do something different and move forward... Dhoni should be removed test team for good and Duncan should be removed as a coach.

  • on August 11, 2014, 21:23 GMT

    Its all about the IPL Vs Test match.......that IPL mentality is making difference for all indian batsman.

  • Chris_P on August 11, 2014, 21:09 GMT

    To me, anyway, it looks as though they are not showing much respect to Moeen. Perhaps they believe all the hype written about them? They should be a better team than what they have showed us, I think they are, so it is very frustrating, as a cricket fan, to watch such a meek surrender & the resulting posts from their fans suggest they feel it deeply as well. Roll on Oval & hopefully a good game to be had.

  • milepost on August 11, 2014, 20:53 GMT

    I like him. At 70mph he can get bounced out. Mitch will like him too. 95+mph? Good luck.

  • on August 11, 2014, 20:48 GMT

    please dont even think that moeen is a part time bowler. Its just a negligence of indian batting. You know there are so many half-starts were considered after playing against india as batsmen/bowler. They were no where after India series. Just another lucky part timer..

  • SachinSRT10Tendulkar on August 11, 2014, 20:40 GMT

    Moeen Ali played brilliantly, he was getting more turn than the Indian spinners. He was putting the ball in the right places, GREAT BOWLING MOEEN!!!!

  • Sanj747 on August 11, 2014, 20:16 GMT

    Interesting how Mooen Ali hs taken wickes and his Indian counterparts have failed to have an impact. Jadeja has failed and Ashwin in fairness to him with only one test on tour so far has not created any worry for the poms. In saying that Ashwin has and continues to struggle to take wickets outside India. India are supposed to produce quality spin bowlers. Unforunately this has not been the case for a while and like many issues in Indian cricket is swept ner the carpet. Mooen is carrying on from Swann and Panesar who outbowled the Indian spiners when England were in India last and beat them.

  • supercoolfan on August 11, 2014, 20:12 GMT

    Clearly...India's planning was out of sorts during the previous two test matches. The coach needs to be accountable for this debacle. Ever since Duncan Fletcher became the coach, the India cricket team has a displayed a lackluster approach. The current players are generally good in Indian conditions, but fail to adapt to overseas conditions. Again it is up to the coach to make this happen. I don't see this happening as long as Duncan Fletcher is around. BCCI, please wake up. BCCI, you and the Indian fans will lose a lot if Indian cricket goes the way Indian hockey went. Time to take stock of the situation and act. No more sitting around and waiting for things to get better....... "you can't keep on doing the same things and expect a different result."

  • PMadhavarao on August 11, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    @SMACHTALK - I keep insisting the same , for that matter even for Anderson to disturb their lines. but unfortunately no one listens...

  • glen1 on August 11, 2014, 19:49 GMT

    The distinction here is that there was a strategy (complete with focused practice), it was just the wrong strategy. The culpability lies with the one-dimensional thinking of the captain and the coaching staff, as the players are following their leader and walking into the guillotine.

  • Dhanno on August 11, 2014, 19:43 GMT

    @Samdanh. Right on spot. No need for any indian to bring up DRS or lack of thereof. And in very relevant other news: Zim just managed to bat 92 overs in 1st innings against SA (against Morkel, Steyn and co.) That is still more than what India managed in two innings! The only way to stop this is to ask questions to Dhoni right there in interview. When indians utter rubbish like " we should attack Moen", "he bowls well, pitch helped him", Dhoni should be reminded of the fact that Moen is infact part-timer, you need to beat him even in half sleep and standing on one leg, he should be told about what SA just achieved in SL ( drawing 3rd test playing whole day, facing SL at their home). Someone should tell these guys point blank to stop whining about length of tour, remind them they are international cricketers, representing country at highest level. If 5 test match series is too long then hang up your boots, there are tons of Ranji players who will gladly come take their place.

  • whirlaway on August 11, 2014, 19:36 GMT

    @Thomas Cherian: I agree. Bad batting performances should have consequences. So drop Gambhir, Pujara and Kohli. Replace them with R. Sharma, Ojha and Binny. Get either Sharma or Rahane to open the innings with Vijay.

    As for the inability to play Moeen Ali, I must wonder how much of that stems from that deadly disease called IPL. The IPL formula says that it is not a good idea to give a dot ball to a spinner. So, you have to score off every ball, with at least a SIX or two FOURS in every over. If you didn't take 10-12 runs off every over from a spinner, the match is as good as lost!

    That is the pathetic mindset with which the Indian IPL T20 warriors have faced Ali. And the results are not good! What a surprise! NOT!

  • SMACHTALK on August 11, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    Stand 2 bails outside the crease to Moen and things should fix itself from now on till he is axed !

  • CrickFan1976 on August 11, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    @Starvybz I'm pretty sure people who are currently very shocked wish that others get shocked as much as they are now! Let's just hope that you are not going to get shocked 3 times in a row!

  • johnathonjosephs on August 11, 2014, 19:18 GMT

    Ashwin can be the next Jayasuriya if India manage him correctly. He has amazing batting technique and his average is already higher than both Kohli and Dhoni. Ashwin needs to improve his spin bowler outside the subcontinent though. I don't see that as a problem, since I have heard he is a very hard worker and sometimes wakes up at 5 AM to start practicing. He also is very open to criticism for his bowling and even tried to change his bowling and make it better for the 2014 T20 World Cup. Kohli on PRINCIPLES alone, NEEDS to be dropped. He is obviously having a terrible run and needs some time out for soul searching while another Indian batsman is given a chance. India has too many good young batsman waiting on the benches and to allow one "established" batsman to keep failing is a slap in the face to them. Let Manoj Tiwary (great technique) play. Let Naman Ojha come in for MS Dhoni. Dhoni must go for Test Matches. He is brilliant for limited overs, but has failed in Tests for some time

  • on August 11, 2014, 19:14 GMT

    Reason why Moenali succeeded and Indian spinner failed? Here is the answer. Indian batsman tried hard to get use to England conditions esp in terms of their pace attack. They never bothered about spin practice as seen in nets. This is the reason why they were successful in first two tests. Suddenly in 3rd test Moene Ali started creating problems and they were clueless. This shocked them and lost complete control even against pace attack. They were literally confused of their plans and were unable to come out it.On the other hand, England by default are good players of fast bowlers and in their own backyard, there is nothing like they need to adjust to conditions. They were playing both fast bowlers and spinners normally without paying much attention to one section of bowlers. So, They were successful. I feel more than England aggression, It is Indian batsman confusion that made them loose last two tests. Ashwin was able to play well against those England attack, A solid proof for it.

  • johnathonjosephs on August 11, 2014, 19:10 GMT

    How about India start accepting the DRS System? Since they started denying the use of the DRS, they have had this horrid series of losses outside the subcontinent starting with the England whitewash in 2011. I'm not saying anything, but what goes around will come around.....

  • FSL2013 on August 11, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    Moeen will need to do well against other teams like Australia and South Africa and also get some runs.

  • on August 11, 2014, 18:54 GMT

    Moeen Ali is brought into the team as a batsman. He is not justified as a batsman. But he proved that he played some part in bowling department and won matches for England. He played minds on Indian batsmen and it worked. It is exactly an opposite case of Afridi where he was brought in as bowler and became a batsman.

  • cricket_lover1 on August 11, 2014, 18:45 GMT

    India should pick the playing XI for 5th test- vijay,Rohit,ojha,Rahane,Pujara,Dhoni,Ashwin,Binny,Kumar,Aaron,Pandey

  • niazbhi on August 11, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    Moeen has only two balls. That why everyone under-estimates him. Even his captain. In SL series, even Moeen got wickets and put a decent show, Cook did not use him, by using him he could keep his quicks fresh. In the india series, they went after him (he only ve two balls), he got wickets whenever he was brought in. Cook did not even use him in some innings(even after his successes). Truth is Ashwin might have many variations, Moeen is utilizing his two balls from roun the wicket and over the wicket, putting more balls on a length and is not deviating from his length even if he is hit. Thats what a spinner's life is. And captains should use the successful bowler rather than thinking he only has two balls. Moeen has a simple game plan and he is making it work, which confuses every complicated men including me, this author, his captain and MS Dhoni. Simply beautiful Moeen!

  • Samdanh on August 11, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    There are some comments like if India had accepted DRS Moeen would not have had Pujara, and had not poor shots been played....and so on. If many of those ifs were applied to all dismissals in this series so far, India would be 0-3 now. So, let us - India fans, be more fair and grounded in realities. First of all once we rejected DRS we do not have right to decide on ifs by seeing the replays- not believing in which was our basis for rejecting DRS. So do not refer to replays please. Dhoni, past India cricket starts, BCCI, media, India based commentators, and all in India who rejected DRS do not an iota of right to comment on any decisions based on TV replays. Period!!

  • on August 11, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    How about dropping Kohli and Pujara maybe play Ojha and Binny or Pandey. Is it not 4 tests enough and a drop would be good for both of them, so that they dont take their place for granted. As for Dhoni and INdia to do that I might as well as plan to go to moon and come back

  • jimmyvida on August 11, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    Best advice for Cook. Win the toss, send India in. They should last two and one half periods max. Bat from that point to lunch on the third day. Bowl India out before the end of the day. This advice is given just in case of delays by rain. England would need 18 hours of cricket to win. That is how I did it with any weaker team.

  • on August 11, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    what if sehwag playd on those tests..straihtaway he would hav taken charge aginst ali..that makes his confidance low also cooks confidence ..but for tat to happen he shud survive anderson and broad..any we wil miss sehwag..a great entrainer

  • SohailMirza on August 11, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    @Siddharth Bhaskar !!! only Murli, Vitore!!! common have some courage to accept Saqlain and Saeed Ajmal are much above then vitori and murli ----

  • on August 11, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    gary ballanc nd bell are in very good fom... nd moein alli my god he is bowling really well nd indian betsman are under the pressr nd that the only reason that moein ali is succeid

  • wnwn on August 11, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    Out of the 4 wickets he took, only the Jadeja one was a good ball. Pujara would have been not out had India accepted DRS and the other 2 were stupid shots. But credit to Moeen who is now bowling more quicker and accurately than before.

  • ydoethur on August 11, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    I think part of the confusion about Moeen is that there is a difference between a 'part time spinner', i.e. a player who occasionally bowls spin, and an all-rounder whose primary role in the side is to score runs. Which roughly describes Moeen's position at Worcestershire, particularly given that New Road is not noted for its turn.

    Classic example is of course Wally Hammond - mostly a batsman, but had the reputation of being the fastest bowler in England when he could be bothered to take the new ball (which he usually couldn't unless he was cross about something). I don't think Moeen's a latter-day Hammond, but I don't suppose anyone would complain if he developed into a latter-day Ray Illingworth.

  • on August 11, 2014, 17:06 GMT

    Moeen may not have the gifts of Murali or Vettori but he is surely a very intelligent bowler, A classic old school player who outwits the batsmen and forces them into submission. I really think he may go on to get atleast 300 test wickets if given the opportunities. I also hope he doesnot loose his test match temperament by becoming a t20 bowler like Sunil Naraine

  • Starvybz on August 11, 2014, 16:58 GMT

    i have a feeling the next test is going to shock england

  • on August 11, 2014, 16:57 GMT

    its not a best bowling of Moin.....its just a lack of discipline and motivational force that leads to throw them wicket on loose balls............

  • on August 11, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    It should be Moeelitharan

  • rk_ks on August 11, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    @bindaas_fan : Naman for Gambhir. You are kidding right. Last 2 matches Naman played well. Did you look at his first class average close to 42.

  • ninjapintu on August 11, 2014, 16:46 GMT

    Indian batsmen are being too lazy here. Yes he is bowling good areas but they themselves are not playing him seriously. Traditionally what we did good was the use of feet. Either get to the pitch of the ball or go back on the backfoot. But now our batsmen only see to come out of the pitch to hit a six and keep playing rest of the balls from the crease. They need to do something to disrupt his rhythm or he will get more wickets

  • glen1 on August 11, 2014, 16:38 GMT

    Sid Monga is such a good analyst of the game; in particular, the mindless game played by India. No understanding of pitch conditions, weather, bowlers. No strategy, assuming that skill alone will do, and driven by some bollywood macho into brainless action. Sometimes, all of these come together and there is an odd tournament or two to brag about. Seriously, Sid Monga should be a paid strategist for team India; it would help stop this bleeding!

  • himmat on August 11, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    Moeenalitharan........that's a good one !!!!!

  • wide_gully on August 11, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    Winning and losing are part of the game. But it is high time and in fact a good opportunity for the India selectors to show some spine and smarts by taking some tough decisions - bring in Naman, Irfan and Yadav in place of Gambhir, Jadeja and Pankaj resp. Aaron was a little wayward at times but it was clear that his pace allowed him to trouble the English batsmen. Hence, Yadav would be a fine addition. It is almost unthinkable to have a resource like him wasted while the slow-medium likes of Pankaj and Binny are handed out chances esp in English conditions. Teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka would jump at the first opportunity to fully utilize a bowler like Yadav. The suggested team (in batting order): Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Naman, Dhoni, Ashwin, Irfan, Bhuvi, Yadav, Aaron

  • on August 11, 2014, 16:14 GMT

    Moen may go on to make a career out of this. for sure.

  • vinay224 on August 11, 2014, 16:04 GMT

    Virat Kohli do really deserves a place in Indian team. What about Rohit Sharma who is sitting on bench.

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  • vinay224 on August 11, 2014, 16:04 GMT

    Virat Kohli do really deserves a place in Indian team. What about Rohit Sharma who is sitting on bench.

  • on August 11, 2014, 16:14 GMT

    Moen may go on to make a career out of this. for sure.

  • wide_gully on August 11, 2014, 16:22 GMT

    Winning and losing are part of the game. But it is high time and in fact a good opportunity for the India selectors to show some spine and smarts by taking some tough decisions - bring in Naman, Irfan and Yadav in place of Gambhir, Jadeja and Pankaj resp. Aaron was a little wayward at times but it was clear that his pace allowed him to trouble the English batsmen. Hence, Yadav would be a fine addition. It is almost unthinkable to have a resource like him wasted while the slow-medium likes of Pankaj and Binny are handed out chances esp in English conditions. Teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka would jump at the first opportunity to fully utilize a bowler like Yadav. The suggested team (in batting order): Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Naman, Dhoni, Ashwin, Irfan, Bhuvi, Yadav, Aaron

  • himmat on August 11, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    Moeenalitharan........that's a good one !!!!!

  • glen1 on August 11, 2014, 16:38 GMT

    Sid Monga is such a good analyst of the game; in particular, the mindless game played by India. No understanding of pitch conditions, weather, bowlers. No strategy, assuming that skill alone will do, and driven by some bollywood macho into brainless action. Sometimes, all of these come together and there is an odd tournament or two to brag about. Seriously, Sid Monga should be a paid strategist for team India; it would help stop this bleeding!

  • ninjapintu on August 11, 2014, 16:46 GMT

    Indian batsmen are being too lazy here. Yes he is bowling good areas but they themselves are not playing him seriously. Traditionally what we did good was the use of feet. Either get to the pitch of the ball or go back on the backfoot. But now our batsmen only see to come out of the pitch to hit a six and keep playing rest of the balls from the crease. They need to do something to disrupt his rhythm or he will get more wickets

  • rk_ks on August 11, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    @bindaas_fan : Naman for Gambhir. You are kidding right. Last 2 matches Naman played well. Did you look at his first class average close to 42.

  • on August 11, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    It should be Moeelitharan

  • on August 11, 2014, 16:57 GMT

    its not a best bowling of Moin.....its just a lack of discipline and motivational force that leads to throw them wicket on loose balls............

  • Starvybz on August 11, 2014, 16:58 GMT

    i have a feeling the next test is going to shock england