Australia in England 2012 June 14, 2012

Trott warns against Australia overkill

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Jonathan Trott feels the special tradition of Ashes matches will be diluted if contests between England and Australia continue to spill outside the regular tours.

Australia arrive in the UK tomorrow for a five-match ODI series with England, starting on June 29. Trott warned against scheduling series outside Ashes years to protect the England-Australia rivalry.

"It definitely needs looking after," Trott told the Evening Standard. "It mustn't be overdone. You want it to be special. England used to play Australia at home every four years, it was in the books and people had years to look forward to it. Now, they were here two years ago, they're here now and they're here again next summer."

Australia's last full Ashes tour was in 2009 but they played a five-match ODI series in 2010, which England won 3-2. The upcoming ODI series precedes the next Ashes tour by 12 months, meaning Australia will tour England four times in five seasons - something Trott feels could send a dangerous message to supporters.

"You don't want people to think: 'I'm not going this year because I know they're here next year'. Or next year, people not coming to the games because they saw England-Australia in 2012," Trott said. "People might wonder what the point is, or they might think it's too monotonous.

"The public can sniff these things out and they know when it's a little bit too much. We've seen what happened with the domestic Twenty20 competition, when they started throwing in tons of games and there was overkill. It was about right when there were only ten matches in the first round."

The scheduling of this ODI series is the first part of a bilateral arrangement between the ECB and Cricket Australia. England will tour Australia for an ODI series in January 2015 to warm-up for that year's World Cup, which is being staged in Australia and New Zealand in February and March - a move hoped to improve England's poor record at recent World Cups.

While Trott maintains concerns about too many Ashes meetings, he understands why the ECB have taken steps to boost England's World Cup hopes.

"With England, everything has been about the Ashes, whereas Australia and the rest of the world have a balance," Trott said. "It's like in football, where European teams would put the World Cup ahead of the European Championships. In the past, maybe England were like that with the Ashes and our World Cup.

"For England, it was always the Ashes, which we hadn't won for 20 years before 2005. The attention to the World Cup -- because we've now won the Ashes home and away -- will be greater, and the tournament will be put on a higher pedestal. We set ourselves a target of being the No. 1-ranked Test team, and we achieved that, so now we set ourselves up to be top of the one-day rankings, too."

England begin their ODI series against Australia on June 29 at Lord's, the tour concludes on July 10.

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  • RandyOZ on June 17, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    I still can't understand how South Africa has now become a part of the Ashes.

  • hyclass on June 17, 2012, 0:56 GMT

    I agree with Trott's observations.It must be evident that there is an inverse variation between consumption & desirability.A pinnacle retains its value by the effort & intelligence which must be expended in its attainment. When it becomes regular & common-place, its lustre dulls. The Ashes are not simply another contest between to cricketing nations. They are a celebration of the creation of Test cricket & the founding nations differences and similarities.They represent times & generations whose qualities gave identity&d inspired youth to be of comparable character.To some extent,the results are less relevent than honouring the ethic & history of the contest itself. That this is called into question should sound a warning to this,the 'me' generation,that intelligence & integrity are timeless & that to dilute either is to rob oneself of levels of character excellence whose values are universal,long after stumps have been drawn.The Ashes are a celebration of a worthy united history.

  • YorkshirePudding on June 16, 2012, 5:04 GMT

    @jonesy2, hmmm, thats why CA and all the Ex-players keep demanding that the little urn return with them to Australia when ever they win, not to mention the fact that they havent played an ashes series of less than 5 games EVEN when england where appauling in the 1995-2004 periods. Or why the Australian media tore strips off the Australian team during the last Ashes series.

  • whatawicket on June 15, 2012, 18:39 GMT

    ats78 ur joking. then why dont you play each other.

  • jonesy2 on June 15, 2012, 15:33 GMT

    he is right in saying that australia doesnt hold the ashes as high in regard to england because england isnt the toughest opponent australia play and australia has rivalries in other series' and an obligation to be the one to beat at global tournaments

  • on June 15, 2012, 13:42 GMT

    @IamDan, he may be South African but he is correct in what he says!

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on June 15, 2012, 12:11 GMT

    I think that after the t20 World Cup is out of the way that a few more England players might retire from ODI's like KP. And mind-numbing series like this one will be to blame. A complete revamp of the international calendar is in order.

  • ats78 on June 15, 2012, 11:34 GMT

    I Am Indian and I completely disagree with Trott's comments. Its like India playing Pakistan , its one of the greatest rivalry in Cricket (eng vs aus) bring it on mate. no one will ever get bored.

  • bobmartin on June 15, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    @ Nadeem1976 on (June 14 2012, 16:54 PM GMT) I don't think you've quite grasped what the article is about here.. How on earth are England in ODI terms on a high moon or too much hyped and over rated (to use your terms) when they've never won the ODI World Cup and are currently rated 4th in the ICC Table.

  • JG2704 on June 15, 2012, 10:23 GMT

    @IamDan on (June 15 2012, 10:13 AM GMT) Maybe because he played in the Ashes (I believe he made his debut scoring a ton) and realised by the crowd,intensity etc what it all meant?

  • RandyOZ on June 17, 2012, 14:36 GMT

    I still can't understand how South Africa has now become a part of the Ashes.

  • hyclass on June 17, 2012, 0:56 GMT

    I agree with Trott's observations.It must be evident that there is an inverse variation between consumption & desirability.A pinnacle retains its value by the effort & intelligence which must be expended in its attainment. When it becomes regular & common-place, its lustre dulls. The Ashes are not simply another contest between to cricketing nations. They are a celebration of the creation of Test cricket & the founding nations differences and similarities.They represent times & generations whose qualities gave identity&d inspired youth to be of comparable character.To some extent,the results are less relevent than honouring the ethic & history of the contest itself. That this is called into question should sound a warning to this,the 'me' generation,that intelligence & integrity are timeless & that to dilute either is to rob oneself of levels of character excellence whose values are universal,long after stumps have been drawn.The Ashes are a celebration of a worthy united history.

  • YorkshirePudding on June 16, 2012, 5:04 GMT

    @jonesy2, hmmm, thats why CA and all the Ex-players keep demanding that the little urn return with them to Australia when ever they win, not to mention the fact that they havent played an ashes series of less than 5 games EVEN when england where appauling in the 1995-2004 periods. Or why the Australian media tore strips off the Australian team during the last Ashes series.

  • whatawicket on June 15, 2012, 18:39 GMT

    ats78 ur joking. then why dont you play each other.

  • jonesy2 on June 15, 2012, 15:33 GMT

    he is right in saying that australia doesnt hold the ashes as high in regard to england because england isnt the toughest opponent australia play and australia has rivalries in other series' and an obligation to be the one to beat at global tournaments

  • on June 15, 2012, 13:42 GMT

    @IamDan, he may be South African but he is correct in what he says!

  • Behind_the_bowlers_arm on June 15, 2012, 12:11 GMT

    I think that after the t20 World Cup is out of the way that a few more England players might retire from ODI's like KP. And mind-numbing series like this one will be to blame. A complete revamp of the international calendar is in order.

  • ats78 on June 15, 2012, 11:34 GMT

    I Am Indian and I completely disagree with Trott's comments. Its like India playing Pakistan , its one of the greatest rivalry in Cricket (eng vs aus) bring it on mate. no one will ever get bored.

  • bobmartin on June 15, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    @ Nadeem1976 on (June 14 2012, 16:54 PM GMT) I don't think you've quite grasped what the article is about here.. How on earth are England in ODI terms on a high moon or too much hyped and over rated (to use your terms) when they've never won the ODI World Cup and are currently rated 4th in the ICC Table.

  • JG2704 on June 15, 2012, 10:23 GMT

    @IamDan on (June 15 2012, 10:13 AM GMT) Maybe because he played in the Ashes (I believe he made his debut scoring a ton) and realised by the crowd,intensity etc what it all meant?

  • longrun on June 15, 2012, 10:16 GMT

    i've never known anyone to go on a world trip to see a 1 day series. world cup excluded. test cricket is where it's at and where it will always be. the ipl may have the cash but who won last year? who plays for chennai (spelling?)? fair play ecb and ci for acclimatising for the ashes - that's what's important, the ashes. i still hope australia win every game where ever we play, t20, 1 day, tour match, test match, what ever. trott raises a good point though, and can bat

  • IamDan on June 15, 2012, 10:13 GMT

    How can, a South African, born and raised player, like Trott, really, truelly, understand the significance, of the Ashes. You have to be born and raised, in England, or Australia, to really understand the oldest sporting rivalry in the World. Of all Test playing nations, the Saffer`s, were always miffed by this rivalry, it`s called arrogance, all Cricket Lover`s, on our planet love the `Ashes`, bar the arrogant Saffers. Cricket, was taken to the colonies, to help with morale, and also help different races and religions, get together and understand each other, it was way more important than religion in the 1800`s. By breaking down these racial barriers, we now have so many great, Cricketing Nations, where religion, or social, lives, mean nothing, when you walk onto the playing field. Cricket, is just not Cricket, without that little Urn, Mr Trott.

  • whatawicket on June 15, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    to those talking about these odis and they will spoil the ashes series in the future. not sure about the aussie ticket sales when if happens over there. but tell the 1000s of people who will try and get ashes tickets and be disappoined. tickets for the london tests will be £100+ and outside london £80.00+ per day. put that against other cricket playing countries currency's and you can understand the cost of going to test cricket in the uk. in most cases these monies the will be in the hands of the counties, 12 month before the tests are played. ashes cricket is big business.

  • on June 15, 2012, 9:45 GMT

    No such thing as overkill in the boards eyes if it makes money! just a shame cricket is the loser once again!

  • Hammond on June 15, 2012, 9:17 GMT

    I agree with Gloucsfan. I might watch a few overs. It won't bother me one little bit who wins this one either way. It's pretend cricket.

  • Vakbar on June 15, 2012, 9:11 GMT

    Vain hope Trotty! Agree with the sentiment - the reality is, however, that I can't get a ticket for any England ODI - they're all sold out and will be next year as well. And millions will watch every single game on the telly. So, from the ECB's point of view, job done - public support is strong, money is rolling in and the England Team get some ODI practice. So what if players like KP and Trott are complaining about overkill and burn-out?

  • CricketPissek on June 15, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    haha. i cant even remember an Eng/Aus ODI series in 2010. That's how memorable these ODI series are! Well said Trott, but unfortunately these series spin big bucks for sky and the grounds, so they're here to stay.

  • dsig3 on June 15, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    It is a bit of a cash grab. ODI's serve little purpose other than some minor mindgames for an upcoming ashes. When the first test starts it will all be meaningless though.

  • venkatesh018 on June 15, 2012, 7:56 GMT

    ECB, stop being greedy. Heed the warning bells and stop meaningless ODI series before it is too late.

  • dunger.bob on June 15, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    I agree with ZenBoomerang on this. The series is totally pointless in the overall scheme of things except that it gives our young fella's a taste of England at the top level. They are as raw a bunch as we have ever sent over there and they need all the exposure they can get before the Ashes. ... it might only be an ODI series but at least most of Englands main players will be there and our guys will get a bit of a look at them in their home conditions. .. I'm going to follow it for that reason. ... some people may think it's going to be boring but I reckon it is a very, very important series for the Aussies. This will be the first and only chance to check those Poms out so I'm hoping they take notes while they're there. Same goes the other way around to of course.

  • binojpeter on June 15, 2012, 7:07 GMT

    I believe that Ashes will be watched by purists of cricket, no matter what.

  • YorkshirePudding on June 15, 2012, 6:59 GMT

    what isnt mentioned is that this is a Quid-pro-quo series in return England gets 5 ODI's in the 2014/15 season in AUSTRALIAN conditions ahead of the WC to acclimatise to conditions. Also the 2013 ashes were originally scheduled to have taken place this year, but a minor sporting event called the Olympics is taking place in england this year and neither the ECB or CA want the ashes over shadowed.

  • on June 15, 2012, 6:52 GMT

    The back to back ashes is gonna be overkill but ill still watch every game lol

  • YorkshirePudding on June 15, 2012, 6:49 GMT

    @satish619chandar, I disagree the Back to back nature of the Ashes is just so that they can move the cycle, as they didnt want the Ashes (and neither did Australia), just before a WC. The original plan was to bring the 2013 Ashes forward a year to 2012, but due to the olympics they Decided against the clash. so the best option was Back to Back Ashes in 2013, with the next Ashes series in England being 2015, then 2016/17 in aus, resuming the usual 4 year cycle. ASl oone has to remember that ODI series between England and Australia are not Ashes Series they are simply ODI series.

  • Gloucsfan on June 15, 2012, 6:00 GMT

    Total waste of time. Wake me up when the tests and county championship starts again

  • zenboomerang on June 15, 2012, 5:55 GMT

    @jmcilhinney... Seeing so many Oz players have little or no national experience in playing Eng in Eng, this series will give them a bit of a feel on pitches, weather, crowds, etc... Bailey, Forrest, Warner, Wade, Smith, Cummins, Pattinson, McKay, Doherty - as will the Aust A squad to a lesser extent... Last Eng ODI tour you had Strauss, Collingwood, Pietersen, Morgan (is he in your squad?) who all put in good performances - will the replacements be as good?... While Oz has a squad of 7 bowlers that didn't tour in 2010... That also might be good for the Eng batters, come Ashes... Time will tell & another interesting battle ahead :) ...

  • satish619chandar on June 15, 2012, 3:45 GMT

    It is going to happen.. Back to back Ashes is the worst thing ever to happen in cricket.. No one really cared about(Among English and Aussies) the ODI scheduled between the nations.. If at all someone was paying attention, it is for the Ashes and they just killed the golden goose..

  • 1st_april on June 15, 2012, 3:42 GMT

    detrimental to the 50 over game.....this is exactly why 50 over cricket will struggle to stay relevant....

  • jmcilhinney on June 15, 2012, 3:34 GMT

    @RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on (June 15 2012, 02:35 AM GMT), I believe that Trott should make a concerted effort to lift his strike rate but, given that England's batting is ODIs has been shaky at best, his average of about 50 should not be sneezed at. He's been England's rock so dropping him for someone who scores fewer runs faster may not necessarily help. As for Cook, his selection as captain when he wasn't currently in the team and performing was dicey but it has proven to be a master stroke. Have you actually looked at his ODI stats since coming back into the team as captain? I don't how you could have because, based on those stats alone, he'd get into most ODI squads around the world. Like so many, you seem to be judging his ODI worth on his Test performances and perhaps his ODI performances prior to being dropped from the team. The way he's playing right now, he's an asset. Two hundreds in UAE at strike rates of 96 and 84 are not to be sneezed at.

  • jmcilhinney on June 15, 2012, 3:27 GMT

    It's interesting that it's Trott of all people talking about the Ashes rivalry. Maybe having grown up not caring about it but having experienced it later in life, he has a slightly different, and perhaps better, perspective on it than some of us born & bred Poms and Aussies. I can understand why ECB wanted the series just before WC 2015 but I'm not quite sure why CA wanted this series in return. Michael Clarke has talked about this providing exposure to English conditions for some of the newer players but ODIs only and a year out from the Ashes will only help so much. I'll watch these games and I'll enjoy them but I do still think that the series is ill-advised. Maybe a tournament with Eng/Ire/Aust where each team plays the others twice each and then a single final. One extra match but maybe more interest in the series and more benefit for Ireland.

  • Micgyver on June 15, 2012, 2:45 GMT

    Totally agree with Trott, he is spot on.These one day series might project money from ticket sales and tv broadcast initially but in time people wont bother turning up to the game or tuning in from opposite sides of the world.From someone that lives in Australia and loves the Ashes rivalry and has lost countless hours of sleep over the years watching Aussies in England, i wont be losing any sleep this series.

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on June 15, 2012, 2:35 GMT

    by the way ttrott should not be in eng odi xi and neither should be cook

  • samincolumbia on June 15, 2012, 0:06 GMT

    With Bell in the english lineup to complement the rest of the english batsmen, England's ODI batting should not be very different than their batting in tests!!

  • shakki on June 14, 2012, 23:56 GMT

    Pointless serious two boring ODI sides!

  • brittop on June 14, 2012, 22:59 GMT

    Of course the up coming ODI series against the Aussies is a complete waste of time.

  • yorkshirematt on June 14, 2012, 20:47 GMT

    I don't agree with the pointless ODIs but I don't think the english and australian public can have too much ashes cricket. The two 2013 series make it like a ten test ashes series to decide who keeps it until 2015, which I think will be very special

  • Leggie on June 14, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    Nice to see cricketers voicing their true concerns - instead of playing to the masses or sucking up to their boards. No wonder - the country that encourages their players to speak their mind - England - is on top of the international ranking

  • hampshirehog142 on June 14, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    Who wants so many ODIs. Not I but certainly SKY do. Will any of them be anything but instantly forgettable? I doubt it.

  • on June 14, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    I'm not so concerned about ENG-AUS overkill as the complete pointlessness of this ODI series and how it ruins the ENG-SA Test series. These ODIs come far too early to be of any use as preparation for the 2015 World Cup, so we can only presume that the reasoning is entirely financial. As a result of this infiltration of business over sport however, we are denied a 4th Test against SA, which promises to be one of the best Test series of recent times.

    Perhaps the ICC should take full control of all match scheduling instead of allowing individual boards to do it, and build a proper Test, ODI and T20 league system. They seem halfway there with the Test Championship idea but it needs some proper structure.

  • EnglishCricket on June 14, 2012, 18:55 GMT

    To be honest this ENG-AUS is a pointless series and may cause a lot of damage to the England-Australia Cricket rivalry because they're simply playing too much against eachother year in year out and needs to stop because its getting less and less important and boring. I'd rather see a IRE-AUS 5 match ODI Series than an ENG-AUS 5 match ODI Series because it will mean something and help Ireland learn and develop their game plus interesting.

  • cheeseburgers on June 14, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    IT WILL BE LIKE ENG:AUS :: IND:SL

  • Something_Witty on June 14, 2012, 18:35 GMT

    Can't say I agree with Trott here. As Maddy1987123 says, it's not like they're playing every other day. Personally I relish Eng-Aus contests and will be watching them intently almost regardless of how often they are played.

  • bddhika_harindat on June 14, 2012, 18:03 GMT

    Mr.Tott, there's a point to consider in your concerns, but then again why would England tour Australia just before the Worl Cup in 2015? If England to prove they're one of the bests, this is a good opportunity. You may not like Aussie's getting used to English cobditions quite often and your bowlers may not have something special by the time they play Ashes, so you may see this as a negative move.

  • Narkovian on June 14, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    Yes. 100% agree with Trott. I said in a previous post yesterday about Swann's comments. ... far too much pointless International cricket, which wil be forgotten the day after it takes place. Complete overexposure of the product. Just a question of time before we all get bored with it. I am getting close. Less is more !!!

    l

  • Stark62 on June 14, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    I agree with Trott's statement fully because the same thing happened to the Indo-Pak series.

  • 2.14istherunrate on June 14, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    Totally on the money, Mr Trott. Why cannot we paly two more games apiece against our real guests for the summer-WI and SA. We are not bored pof them at the time of writing. There will be a lot of hype surrounding these games v Aus- they have to after all, because people will not naturally be gagging for them as much as they will to play WI and SA, particularly with the return of Gayle, Bravo snr and one or two others.Overkill needs to be limited, and next year playing Aus will be very real indeed and very much to be enjoyed.

  • Nadeem1976 on June 14, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    I don't think it's over kill at all, currently eng vs aus is the only rivalry which is legit in cricket. India don't play pakistan at all and as cricket fans we need to watch real rivalries and this odi series is good to have.

    I hope aussies win this series so that england players can come back to earth from high moon. They are just too much hyped and over rated.

  • getsetgopk on June 14, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    Jonathan Trott is certainly not KP or Swann, very well said. The one man I would gladly listen to in this English team.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 14, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    Wow! what a very well balanced talk from Trott! Can't agree more. His talk is just as well balanced as his batsmanship.

  • Yevghenny on June 14, 2012, 16:29 GMT

    "what is the point?" is exactly what I'm thinking. This is such a pointless series

  • Maddy1987123 on June 14, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    ODI's are always good to see if its played once in two years. The crowds in england and australia wont mind. Its like IndiaVsPak and people will always want more of it.

  • on June 14, 2012, 16:17 GMT

    Wonderfully pointed out by Trott.

  • Heisenburg on June 14, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Well said Trott, agree 100%.

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  • Heisenburg on June 14, 2012, 16:12 GMT

    Well said Trott, agree 100%.

  • on June 14, 2012, 16:17 GMT

    Wonderfully pointed out by Trott.

  • Maddy1987123 on June 14, 2012, 16:19 GMT

    ODI's are always good to see if its played once in two years. The crowds in england and australia wont mind. Its like IndiaVsPak and people will always want more of it.

  • Yevghenny on June 14, 2012, 16:29 GMT

    "what is the point?" is exactly what I'm thinking. This is such a pointless series

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 14, 2012, 16:38 GMT

    Wow! what a very well balanced talk from Trott! Can't agree more. His talk is just as well balanced as his batsmanship.

  • getsetgopk on June 14, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    Jonathan Trott is certainly not KP or Swann, very well said. The one man I would gladly listen to in this English team.

  • Nadeem1976 on June 14, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    I don't think it's over kill at all, currently eng vs aus is the only rivalry which is legit in cricket. India don't play pakistan at all and as cricket fans we need to watch real rivalries and this odi series is good to have.

    I hope aussies win this series so that england players can come back to earth from high moon. They are just too much hyped and over rated.

  • 2.14istherunrate on June 14, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    Totally on the money, Mr Trott. Why cannot we paly two more games apiece against our real guests for the summer-WI and SA. We are not bored pof them at the time of writing. There will be a lot of hype surrounding these games v Aus- they have to after all, because people will not naturally be gagging for them as much as they will to play WI and SA, particularly with the return of Gayle, Bravo snr and one or two others.Overkill needs to be limited, and next year playing Aus will be very real indeed and very much to be enjoyed.

  • Stark62 on June 14, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    I agree with Trott's statement fully because the same thing happened to the Indo-Pak series.

  • Narkovian on June 14, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    Yes. 100% agree with Trott. I said in a previous post yesterday about Swann's comments. ... far too much pointless International cricket, which wil be forgotten the day after it takes place. Complete overexposure of the product. Just a question of time before we all get bored with it. I am getting close. Less is more !!!

    l