Australia in England 2012

Pattinson wants Test-proven bowling coach

Daniel Brettig

June 16, 2012

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James Pattinson is pumped up after dismissing Gautam Gambhir, Australia v India, 2nd Test, Sydney, 1st day, January 3, 2012
James Pattinson enjoyed a successful start to his international career under Craig McDermott's tutelage © Getty Images
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James Pattinson, Craig McDermott's most prominent pupil during a compelling year as Australia's bowling coach, wants Cricket Australia to choose a long-term replacement with Test match experience, describing such knowledge of international bowling as a "must" for whoever is appointed.

CA are set to commence formal interviews for McDermott's replacement at the conclusion of Australia's tour of England and Ireland but the team performance manager, Pat Howard, has already spoken with the former Pakistan captain and coach Waqar Younis. Tasmania bowling coach Ali de Winter is another contender, and will work in a caretaker capacity with Australia's fast men on this tour. Pattinson was adamant that the permanent role should go to a coach with international experience to call upon.

"It's fantastic to have someone as your bowling coach who has had that experience at Test level or [of] international cricket. I think it's almost a must now, with the amount of cricket that we play, to have someone around the squad who has all that experience in there," Pattinson told ESPNcricinfo. "For me it is a bit of an emotional roller coaster playing Test cricket, as I've found out over the six months I've been involved. So to have someone who has that experience and has done that before is outstanding, and definitely a must."

McDermott had an unmistakeable impact on Pattinson's bowling, encouraging the fuller length and unstinting line that laid waste to New Zealand and India in four Tests before a foot injury halted the 22-year-old's progress. He returned for one Test in the West Indies and tweaked his back when throwing from the outfield, but is now fully fit for duty in the UK. In the meantime, McDermott called an end to his touring with Australia for family reasons, leaving Pattinson to deal with the loss of a major influence on his progress.

"It is tough [without McDermott]. The bowling group were very happy with his input into the team, he did a fantastic job, especially for the young guys coming into the team and trying to find their way," Pattinson said. "I'm a bit disappointed to see him go, but that's life. Family things take a toll sometimes. It is sad to see him go, but he's only ever a phone call away and he's hopefully going to be there for the rest of my career giving me advice.

"I think for me in the West Indies, with such a good start I had [against India], I tried to do a bit too much with the ball and tried to take too many wickets - but the good thing is he's told me to keep it pretty simple and everything else will take care of itself. It's great to have him in the back of my mind, [someone] who I can give a call to and get some more advice."

De Winter will need to earn the trust of Australia's bowlers, though his widely admired work with Tasmania's seam and swing bowlers has preceded him. "We've had little bit of a chat, he's pretty fresh to me, I haven't had a lot to do with him over my career," Pattinson said. "But from all reports he's a fantastic bowling coach and he's done really well for Tasmania as you've seen over the last couple of years with their success with their fast bowling brigade. So he's another great inclusion into our squad of staff."

Having arrived in London ahead of a first tour match against Leicestershire on June 21, Pattinson is warming up for a trip that will provide him with valuable knowledge about how to bowl in England. Australia have one ODI against Ireland and five against England, before an Australia A tour will allow Pattinson and others to practice with the Dukes ball in a first-class environment.

"The conditions are pretty good for swing bowling over here, so it's just about my adjusting my skills to the situation and what the pitches throw up," Pattinson said. "It's almost a year to the Ashes, so I'll be doing my best to get as much knowledge of these pitches and tap into some knowledge of past bowlers as well, how they've gone over here and how they've succeeded."

As the younger brother of Darren Pattinson, who played one Test for England, James Pattinson has plenty of close links to the UK, and was understandably keen to make himself known in the land of his father. "My family's from here so it is a place I've always wanted to go and compete and play cricket," he said. "It's going to be a good lead-in for me going into the Ashes and get some experience over here, so I'm looking forward to it."

"With my brother it's always good to have someone who's got great knowledge of playing over here and the conditions to ring up and have a chat to. I'll be having a chat to him in more detail in the days to come."

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Posted by   on (June 19, 2012, 17:31 GMT)

waqar younus or mc grath,, should be coach

Posted by Meety on (June 19, 2012, 4:56 GMT)

@Deep_Point - "...right now, you wouldn't get near the squad anyway son." - please name an Eng bowler with better FC stats than Patto? Anderson - no, Bresnan - definately NOT, Broad, no, Finn - NEARLY (on S/R only), Onions - maybe (his S/R is microscopically better, but like Finn is inferior on ave & wickets p/match), Sidebottom - nope, Shahzad - nope, Tremlett - nope. Given JP's inferior brother got a go with England AND combined with injuries & work load management, JP would of had a Test debut with England at some stage recently, had he been still "dreaming" of it! LOL - thanks for the chucklle!

Posted by Deep_Point on (June 19, 2012, 2:41 GMT)

There is nothing to say Waqar could pass on everything he knows to the AUS group of bowlers, he was a unique talent and he never managed to pass these skills onto any of his team mates at any stage... As for Pattinson, I met him as a kid 8 years ago at a clinic at The Gabba...Still "dreaming of playing for England" James? right now, you wouldn't get near the squad anyway son.

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 13:47 GMT)

Australians should find bowling coach as soon as possible or else there ordinary bowling line up would be expose outside Australia

Posted by Bramblefly on (June 18, 2012, 13:18 GMT)

@BSimon, Tricky blighters actual results aren't they? You, RandyOz and Jonesy2 should talk more when it comes to rationalising serial Ashes defeats. So much for the "Waugh model's" legacy. I'd go for Waqar as fast bowling coach if I was Australia. Australia's best chance of success in England next year will be decent quicks who can swing the ball both ways in English conditions. The quicks appear to be the only part of Australian rebuilding that's going anywhere right now.

Posted by hyclass on (June 18, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

Utter rubbish from Pattinson-a kid with 5 Tests and no business attempting to influence team policy . Neither Cooley nor Saker had Test experience. Both have been strongly credited with Englands bowling renaissance. Mcdermott's stint was extremely brief and the sum of information that he imparted,was to pitch it up all day and encourage driving. Its hardly physics 101 and most club cricketers are well aware of it. These bowlers haven't been taught how to bowl by McDermott. They were already doing that in Shield cricket-successfully one assumes,as they were chosen for their country,a pinnacle which is supposed to be difficult to attain. They haven't been taught reverse swing,slower balls or anything of consequence. Virtually the entire attack was rotated in McDermotts time,often due to injury. India were a rabble before arriving courtesy of a rampant England,their batting lineup capitulating repeatedly there. NZ are hardly a top flight lineup. Far too much is being made of too little.

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

if Waqar can install his skills to our promising fast bowlers then we are gonna be unstoppable, people who dont know Waqar to well, all you got to do is look it up on youtube for a reminder what that man can do.

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 11:17 GMT)

Waqar would be the pic for bowling coach, that man could make the ball talk, also the knowledge he would have got from former fast bowling greats in the past would be priceless, for a young fast bowler learning some skills from proven fast bowlers is a must, i dont care if people say he is not aussie but my god that man can bowl.

Posted by RandyOZ on (June 18, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

@James - I wouldn't bother giving brother Darren a call, he played a test for England, and was good enough to never play again for them

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 6:40 GMT)

RandyOZ - He still has Bell and Cook. Two ducks and Bell will be history. Is Waqar good enough for a coaching job? If you are going by figures, Brain Lara and Sachin Tendulkar will be the best coaches the world has ever seen. What Australia need is proven coaches not Test greats (test great status would be nice to have).

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 5:25 GMT)

Seems strange to me that Australia has never really employed their best ever fast bowler as a bowling coach - Dennis Lillee.

I hope they consider some other greats such as Wasim Akram, Michael Holding, Allan Donald, Fanie De Villiers and Jason Gillespie as potential candidates.

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 5:05 GMT)

I m Pakistani & somehow i think waqar shoud be bowling coach because its better for aussie pacers specially for young aussie pacers like cummins...

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 18, 2012, 4:49 GMT)

@Chris Sun on (June 18 2012, 01:22 AM GMT), if that's what's required then I don't think that Waqar or any other coach would find it all that confusing to shift focus but maybe Waqar's way is better. Multiplication tells me that Australia's strike rate would require an economy rate of about 2.4 bowl the opposition out for less than Waqar could. This is where I'd normally say "but not every bowler is as good as Waqar" but RandyOZ would no doubt correct me and tell me that it's only the non-Australian bowlers who aren't that good, closely followed by some inane combination of the words "listless", "journeyman", "welcome back" and "end his career"... and possibly "I'm a very good driver".

Posted by Insult_2_Injury on (June 18, 2012, 4:13 GMT)

F-F-L ya kiddin",Right? Watch England? They haven't added anything innovative. They've just inherited the number one spot from their rebuilding opponents. They haven't stormed past strong teams with ground breaking team tactics and individual brilliance. Funnily enough Flower & Strauss have admitted that tactically they have used the Waugh era template, so it seems a waste of time to watch a poor imitation of proven Aussie tactics. Their imported top order - ironically - can't perform away from home! Their bowlers are one trick ponies. Broads' the only one who could play anywhere in the world. Maybe though, that's because he came into internationals an inexperienced 20 year old and has benefitted from Ian Ponts' 'hand holding' from experienced ex- international support. As Pattinson, Cummins, Starc and Marsh are in a similar inexperienced point of their careers then Australia could do no better than picking up the Sydney based talents of Waqar, to compliment McDermotts' tuition.

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 1:22 GMT)

Waqar Younis wouldn't even know the techniques that Australia uses in test cricket. The Australian way is to strangle the run scoring and get wickets, that's why they have strike rates of less than 60 and economy of less than 3. Waqar's method is to get wickets regardless of how many runs are scored off you. Waqar's strike rate is 43 but economy is 3.25.

Posted by   on (June 18, 2012, 1:19 GMT)

@Front Foot Lung - *cough* Pakistan *cough*

Posted by Peterincanada on (June 18, 2012, 0:54 GMT)

@Rooboy Well said. Their plan was English bowlers and SAF batsmen. So far it has worked out well.

Posted by Rooboy on (June 17, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

@front-foot-lunge - yeah Aus could learn from what made england successful, but Aus won't follow their plan because we don't want a team of foreigners representing our country

Posted by RandyOZ on (June 17, 2012, 14:25 GMT)

Top call from Pattinson. He must be really disappointed that KP has retired. He would've ended his career.

Posted by   on (June 17, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

I think Pattinson and the other young Aussie fast bowlers shouldn't worrry about bowling coaches, what they need to employ is strength and conditioning coaches, the amount of soft tiissue they get is beyond belief. There excuse is my foot or my toe, if they were playing Aussie rules football they would strap it up and get out there.

Posted by RandyOZ on (June 17, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

de Winter has done well but I would love to see Waqar in there.

Posted by   on (June 17, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

I can tell you that international bowling coaches know exactly where bowlers should bowl and how to coach at this level. You don't have to have played and been amazing to be a wonderful educator and teacher of skill.

Comments like the article headline makes the the Aussies look like they might need some hand holding. TBH if international bowlers have to be told where to bowl they are starting from the wrong place

Posted by   on (June 17, 2012, 11:01 GMT)

Village black smith meant lost a test to NZ at Hobart. That series was drawn.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (June 17, 2012, 10:00 GMT)

Australia have spent the last three years miles behind England. They should watch them and learn from their discipline and fitness, but the sad truth is they don't have the skill levels to match. Haunted by the last Ashes, they remain an average, middle-ranked team. More time in doldrums for them.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 17, 2012, 9:35 GMT)

I don't want to be too hard on Pattinson and I think some people here are. As I've commented in other stories, it's not like he would have called a press conference to make his demands for a coach with Test experience. Most likely it was a case of, during an interview, he was asked for his thoughts on replacing McDermott and this is what he said. My issue is his apparently saying that only those with Test experience are qualified in his eyes and then seemingly covering, if not outright contradicting, himself by saying that de Winter would be an asset. If you assume that Waqar and de Winter are the two primary candidates then he's pretty much saying that only Waqaris qualified, which kind of poses an issue if de Winter gets the job for whatever reason.

Posted by Governor on (June 17, 2012, 8:54 GMT)

James Pattinson does not have an ego. He is simply expressing an opinion. A fast bowling coach with international test bowling experience would be the most important selection criteria in the appointment of Craig McDermott's replacement. Cricket Australia would have learnt from the appointment of Troy Cooley back in 2006 and the appointment of McDermott in 2011. Craig McDermott won the immediate respect of Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Ben Hilfenhauss, Patrick Cummins and Ryan Harris. He took 291 test wickets and pitted his skill against Viv, Richie Richardson, Javed Miandad, Gower, Gatting etc. Hemce, Pat Howard and Mickey Arthur should look at the appointment of Waqar Younis as our new bowling coach. He resides in Sydney and his knowledge would assist Siddle, Cummins, Pattinson, Harris and Hilfenhauss. If CA don't appont Waqar, I think CA will make the same mistake if they appoint De Winter as Billy's replacement.

Posted by   on (June 17, 2012, 8:27 GMT)

@cricketcritic: England's diabolical four losses in a row is exhibit A in "confidence outstripping competence". England would do well to avoid a hiding at the hands of South Africa let alone what awaits them in the not too distant future. Australia's fast bowling stocks improved 100% with the coaching of McDermott, thus it is not an unreasonable request that a test class bowling coach such as Waqar be given preference to nurture a developing bowling attack.

Posted by jonesy2 on (June 17, 2012, 8:07 GMT)

de winters track record has yielded pretty amazing results to be fair with jackson bird, the new ben hilfenhaus and james faulkner

Posted by Reverend-Cavalier on (June 17, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

Village Blacksmith Australia did not lose to NZ at home.

Posted by   on (June 17, 2012, 7:11 GMT)

Good of Pattinson to think he is in a position to make such demands. What an ego.

Posted by kh1902 on (June 17, 2012, 6:07 GMT)

Not smart comments given that de Winter is considered a possibility for the role. What matters most is that the new bowling coach can bring out the best in the bowlers. I don't see having Test experience as being a prerequisite for that. Pattinson does alot of talking after having taken wickets against some weaker opponents in the most friendly conditions he can hope for and sustaining injury after injury. He seems like a player who's trying to boost his public profile with every opportunity he can get.

Posted by VillageBlacksmith on (June 17, 2012, 4:30 GMT)

Sir Alex Ferguson seems to have done alright without any international experience... There are not many 22 year olds at Man U demanding SAF should have international experience or move on.. Not all great players make great coaches.. And having lost to NZ at home and unable to complete test matches at 22 due to varied fitness problems he would be better off keeping his head down

Posted by neerajprasher on (June 17, 2012, 2:22 GMT)

Mate what about your injurires.you played 2 series and unfit 3 series.you need to concentrate on your fitness.Dont worry about bowling coach.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (June 17, 2012, 2:17 GMT)

I agree that young fast bowlers, particularly in a group without much experience, desperately need an experienced coach who knows what it is like to be a successful test fast bowler. Thus, with Australia's current circumstances, Waqar Younis is easily preferred.

Posted by Meety on (June 17, 2012, 1:46 GMT)

Great that Patto has an opinion. Possibly not the wisest comment to make IF it comes to pass that deWinter becomes the confirmed full time bowling coach. Hopefully deWinter & Patto will easily dust the article off under the category of stuff happens! @jmcilhinney - agreed, not really the best of comments, & a good coach MAY not have to HAVE had International experience.

Posted by ozwriter on (June 17, 2012, 0:43 GMT)

good call. nowadays, nothing can really replace that international experience. imagine the experience waqar has bowling in australia, west indies, england and india. he will have was experience and insight which his pupils can learn from

Posted by doctornikki on (June 16, 2012, 23:02 GMT)

Wasim wont be available...

Posted by cricketcritic on (June 16, 2012, 22:40 GMT)

Agreed Tomek. What i've seen from JP is a promising young bowler who carries on like a galah in the middle without the notches in the belt (yet) to justify it. As Australia struggles to reach the giddy heights of yesteryear the false bravado of it's players will reveal itself as a character flaw. The Symonds/ Bhaji debacle, Ashes defeats and Sa tour batting collapse being examples of confidence outstripping competence

Posted by   on (June 16, 2012, 21:55 GMT)

Waqar is the perfect choice AND he is from Australia! He's lived in Sydney for years.

And Muhtasim13 misunderstands Pattinson. What he wants is a coach who has been successful at Test level and can help him become a successful Test bowler too. A pretty reasonable request.

I think we need a spin coach too.

Posted by   on (June 16, 2012, 18:41 GMT)

Australia would be lucky if they are getting Waqar Younis as a bowling coach. He knows how to bowl on South Asian, Australian and English conditions. He will be key to their Ashes campaign. Pattinson a 22 years old kid is worried about McDermott is going. He is a good one but not the best.

Posted by montys_muse on (June 16, 2012, 18:26 GMT)

I think its the headline that has sensationalised Pattinson's statement.Coaches with international experience actually know how to bowl in conditions different from the Oz conditions. Domestic coaches would be at a loss of ideas in such situations, in turn harming their own reputation.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (June 16, 2012, 18:24 GMT)

If Pattinson wants advice on how to handle the rigours of international cricket then he has plenty of players and coaching staff to to turn to. All else being equal, yes, you would like a bowling coach who has international, and preferably Test, experience, but I'd say that the only "must" is that they're capable of getting the best out of their bowlers. David Saker never played internationally but he seems to be having some success with the England bowling attack. If Pattinson says that international experience is a "must" then how can de Winter be a "great inclusion"? Surely he's immediately unqualified by definition. This is what you get when players who aren't necessarily the best speakers trying to say what they think they should be saying.

Posted by Muhtasim13 on (June 16, 2012, 18:10 GMT)

The guy bowls well in 5 Test matches and wants coaches to prove themselves to him. You're flying too high Pattinson

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (June 16, 2012, 17:19 GMT)

Australia have spent the last three years miles behind England. They should watch them and learn from their discipline and fitness, but the sad truth is they don't have the skill levels to match. Haunted by the last Ashes, hey remain an average, middle-ranked team. More time in doldrums for them.

Posted by   on (June 16, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

dont think waqar and any pakistani is gonna be good for australia.....need someone from australia to understand the bowlers better

Posted by Tomek on (June 16, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

Who exactly IS James Pattinson to be talking about who should coach? 22 year old kids don't know how to bowl, they just know how to run in fast. Plenty of great bowling coaches out there that never got a guernsey. If they were to appoint Damien Wright would he, too, have to prove himself to some upstart kid who has played a handful of games? I guess it's a must that these players get interviewed at some point, but waiting til they are more than just a flash in the pan might help.

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