Australia in England 2012 July 2, 2012

Dernbach ruled out of series

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Jade Dernbach, the England pace bowler, has been ruled out of the remainder of the NatWest Series against Australia with a side strain.

Dernbach had already been withdrawn from the squad for the third match at Edgbaston on Wednesday - along with Surrey team-mate Stuart Meaker - on compassionate grounds as he will be attending Tom Maynard's funeral.

He had been recalled to the one-day side to replace the injured James Anderson, on his homeground at The Oval, and sent down 10 wicketless overs for 59 although had two catches dropped in the deep off him by Eoin Morgan during the final over

Following England's win which gave them a 2-0 lead, Alastair Cook praised Dernbach's effort. "Jade came in and did really well," he said. "It was obviously disappointing for Jimmy not to play - but that's the reason why we have squads, and our strength in depth in seam bowling is really encouraging. For Jade to come in and perform as well as he did, bowling a lot of Powerplay overs, is really good."

Chris Woakes had already been added to the squad for the third one-dayer although the ECB have said a decision on further replacements will be made after the Edgbaston match. Meaker was brought in after Anderson's groin strain and there will be a chance he will be included for the final two matches if England want further cover.

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  • Hammond on July 4, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    Wow jonesy2 welcome back mate- I agree with you Dernbach won't be missed- they were obviously just letting him have a net against mediocre opposition in preparation for the 20/20 world cup.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 4, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    @RandyOZ (Post on July 03 2012, 13:39 PM GMT): unlikely... he's attending the funeral of Tom Maynard, RIP. Maybe after winning this game and taking an unassailable 3-0 lead, England can afford to experiment more with their squad.

  • RandyOZ on July 3, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    Will they bring in Meaker to meet the required quota of South Africans?

  • Dashgar on July 3, 2012, 12:01 GMT

    This is actually good for England. A non-performing player who they now don't need to drop.

  • SDHM on July 3, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    @landl47 - I don't think it's Woakes' lack of pace that's the problem - though he certainly isn't quick - it's more what he does when the ball stops swinging. With two new white balls in ODIs and here in England that won't be as much of an issue, but that's what I think the selectors are looking at with Woakes. Anderson and Philander have shown you don't need to be express pace to be successful in international cricket, but you do need back-up options in your armoury. If Woakes can develop his game in that direction, he'll be a hell of a cricketer for England. He's a wicket-taker and can score first class hundreds - what more could you want?

  • Selassie-I on July 3, 2012, 10:48 GMT

    i don't know why woakes isn't given more chances, he's clearly class and if we're going to play with 5 bowlers(Which I agree with 100% looking forward to 2015 in aus), having him, bres, broad and swann is some tail, anderson is the only real tailender, but he even plays the odd decent shot nowadays.

  • SDHM on July 3, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    JG - I think Dernbach actually has the potential to be an incredibly good strike bowler in all forms of the game; he can bowl at 90mph and swings it both ways, both conventionally and reverse. It makes you wonder why he concentrates on that slower ball so much. In fact, I'd tell him to go and take wickets - he's not consistent enough to keep it tight, so perhaps he can become the man Cook turns to to take a wicket in future, not just a specialist death-overs bowler. For me though, there are better prospects out there.

  • jonesy2 on July 3, 2012, 10:45 GMT

    huge blow for the aussies

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    Bad for Jade. I actually thought the overs (pre 40th) which I saw from Bres and possibly Broad were worse than Jade's. I don't have stats to back this us - so it is purely an observation and I may be totally wrong - but to me it seems that Jade bowls significantly better (or at least goes for less runs) at the start than at the end of an inns in which case surely he should not be a death bowler. Also I feel Jade overdoes the variety and does too many slow balls etc to the degree where it becomes predictable and may even become easier to play. If I was advising him I'd get him to work on his fast Yorkers and use the slower one as a one off. Also feel he loses his radar by overcomplicating things

  • RedRoseMan on July 3, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    Woakes is a class act in the making - very useful all-rounder who I am sure sooner or later will be a Test player. Will do him no harm to get a few outings against Australia - assuming that it ever stops raining - forecast is not good for the next week or so.

    Wright is a useful bits and pieces player and there could be scope for him in a T20 squad, but not in the ODI line-up - he is like the all-rounders that England tried desperately to shoe-horn in after Botham retired - not quite good enough as either a batsman or as a bowler.

  • Hammond on July 4, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    Wow jonesy2 welcome back mate- I agree with you Dernbach won't be missed- they were obviously just letting him have a net against mediocre opposition in preparation for the 20/20 world cup.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 4, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    @RandyOZ (Post on July 03 2012, 13:39 PM GMT): unlikely... he's attending the funeral of Tom Maynard, RIP. Maybe after winning this game and taking an unassailable 3-0 lead, England can afford to experiment more with their squad.

  • RandyOZ on July 3, 2012, 13:39 GMT

    Will they bring in Meaker to meet the required quota of South Africans?

  • Dashgar on July 3, 2012, 12:01 GMT

    This is actually good for England. A non-performing player who they now don't need to drop.

  • SDHM on July 3, 2012, 10:52 GMT

    @landl47 - I don't think it's Woakes' lack of pace that's the problem - though he certainly isn't quick - it's more what he does when the ball stops swinging. With two new white balls in ODIs and here in England that won't be as much of an issue, but that's what I think the selectors are looking at with Woakes. Anderson and Philander have shown you don't need to be express pace to be successful in international cricket, but you do need back-up options in your armoury. If Woakes can develop his game in that direction, he'll be a hell of a cricketer for England. He's a wicket-taker and can score first class hundreds - what more could you want?

  • Selassie-I on July 3, 2012, 10:48 GMT

    i don't know why woakes isn't given more chances, he's clearly class and if we're going to play with 5 bowlers(Which I agree with 100% looking forward to 2015 in aus), having him, bres, broad and swann is some tail, anderson is the only real tailender, but he even plays the odd decent shot nowadays.

  • SDHM on July 3, 2012, 10:46 GMT

    JG - I think Dernbach actually has the potential to be an incredibly good strike bowler in all forms of the game; he can bowl at 90mph and swings it both ways, both conventionally and reverse. It makes you wonder why he concentrates on that slower ball so much. In fact, I'd tell him to go and take wickets - he's not consistent enough to keep it tight, so perhaps he can become the man Cook turns to to take a wicket in future, not just a specialist death-overs bowler. For me though, there are better prospects out there.

  • jonesy2 on July 3, 2012, 10:45 GMT

    huge blow for the aussies

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 7:59 GMT

    Bad for Jade. I actually thought the overs (pre 40th) which I saw from Bres and possibly Broad were worse than Jade's. I don't have stats to back this us - so it is purely an observation and I may be totally wrong - but to me it seems that Jade bowls significantly better (or at least goes for less runs) at the start than at the end of an inns in which case surely he should not be a death bowler. Also I feel Jade overdoes the variety and does too many slow balls etc to the degree where it becomes predictable and may even become easier to play. If I was advising him I'd get him to work on his fast Yorkers and use the slower one as a one off. Also feel he loses his radar by overcomplicating things

  • RedRoseMan on July 3, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    Woakes is a class act in the making - very useful all-rounder who I am sure sooner or later will be a Test player. Will do him no harm to get a few outings against Australia - assuming that it ever stops raining - forecast is not good for the next week or so.

    Wright is a useful bits and pieces player and there could be scope for him in a T20 squad, but not in the ODI line-up - he is like the all-rounders that England tried desperately to shoe-horn in after Botham retired - not quite good enough as either a batsman or as a bowler.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 3, 2012, 6:31 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, I agree I think sometimes bowlers try to bowl too fast, or put too much into thier 'effort' ball that they over do it and pay the price, also sometimes taking a bit of pace off gives you more control, look at McGrath, in his younger days he was trying to bowl 90+mph regularly and lacked control, by his own admission, yet when he cut his pace by a couple of mph, he found a lot more control, but could still suprise a bastman with a very good quick ball.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 3, 2012, 4:36 GMT

    I agree with the comments about Meaker he looks to one for the future, its a shame he isnt available on Wednesday, and Woakes is a good replacement, who can bat a bit. In regards to Luke Wright, I'd be more tempted to see how he does in the T20i's rather than ODI's.

  • satish619chandar on July 3, 2012, 3:21 GMT

    Dernbach is a decent bowler.. Comparing to the backup he has, i think he won't be missed that much.. Onions or Woakes or even Patel could be a handy replacement for him.. England's backup resources make them more special.. Engalnd are definitely on the rise and in their peak form.. I seriously hope they get the 5-0 and make it as top team in all formats..

  • jmcilhinney on July 3, 2012, 3:21 GMT

    I have to wonder whether some bowlers today are actually trying to bowl to fast. There are a few people who are just built for fast bowling and their natural action action complements that. Their may well be many others who just try a bit too hard and it takes them beyond what their bodies can take. Also, there's a lot more effort to bowl variations these days and I have to wonder whether that has an influence on injuries.

  • jmcilhinney on July 3, 2012, 3:13 GMT

    It's always sad to see a player get injured but I do wonder whether this is actually a blessing in disguise for England. I don't think that Dernbach is as bad as some people like to make out but I don't think he has lived up to expectations. The England selectors are always loathe to break up a winning combination and Dernbach was quite impressive in UAE. I do think that there are potentially better options though. I'm one of the many who would like to see Woakes get a chance. He wasn't exactly a resounding success in Australia just after the last Ashes but I did like what I saw. I would imagine that there has been some improvement since then and he could be effective in India.

  • Meety on July 3, 2012, 3:05 GMT

    No pleasure in seeing the injury "bug" is catching on in England. Didn't rate Dernbach, but I do rate Woakes. I think long term Woakes is a better prospect than Bresnan as whilst I like Bresnan, I personally believe he has over-achieved at International level & is due for some lean spells (when? no idea, LOL!)

  • landl47 on July 2, 2012, 23:45 GMT

    While I hope Dernbach recovers quickly, I don't think it weakens England significantly. Woakes is a useful 5th bowler and a better bat than Dernbach (not that England has needed the lower order up to now). I've always been a bit mystified by the high esteem in which Dernbach is held; he's not very accurate, everyone knows his slower ball now, he doesn't bat and he's not a great fielder. Woakes is still a young player (23), but I think his upside is a lot greater. Look at their first-class averages- Woakes' is 8 runs per wicket better (he's taken more wickets, too) and his economy rate in list A games is better. Has anyone seen him recently? He was injured at the start of the year and although his numbers have been very good, I'm wondering if he's put on any pace. His T20 numbers have been great- 3/27, 1/23, 1/26, 1/19 and 2/25- and in his last first-class game he got 4/67 and 3/36 against Durham. A good young talent and it's nice to see him getting a game.

  • pom_don on July 2, 2012, 23:09 GMT

    I too have been impressed by Luke Wright of late much improved over last outing with England.

  • katandthat3 on July 2, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    Woakes is a good addition to the squad, good allround talents. Luke Wright keeps improving too. Willey from Northants is going ok as well.

  • on July 2, 2012, 21:09 GMT

    This guy is over-rated for sure. Basically bowls normal stuff,has a slower one which comes back off the hand which looked great initially as many batsmen hadn't seen him. It's all predictable now. But England are lucky that they have a battery of so many fast bowlers-Jimmy,Broad,Bresnan,Finn,Onions,Tremlett etc. I think Woakes is a pretty good guy who bowled well in Australia[ODIs,T20s]. All round stuff which will help England. Woakes probably has 3 ODIs with him,if he performs,he surely will be making his case.

  • hhillbumper on July 2, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    Well there is a God and thankfully Dernbach won't be playing.Hope this is the end of his Career pretending to play for England

  • CricketingStargazer on July 2, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    Glad that Woakes is in. Personally, I would have added him to the squad earlier. Definitely time to give him a game as he could bat at 7 and do a good job with the ball: if he doesn't play, we will never know whether or not he can cut it at this level.

  • tbutt on July 2, 2012, 19:52 GMT

    Fully agree Tigg. Woakes in particular is a real talent, he might not have the pace of a Derback/Meaker but is accurate, swings it and takes wickets. Add to the fact he looks like he could be a genuine batter with 4 first class hundreds already to his name. He should bat at 7 with Bresnan 8, Broad 9, Swann 10 and Finn 11. This is a seriously good one day team when you add are solid batting order to it. Especially when you look at the talented guys not in the squad: Bairstow, Taylor, Buttler, Stokes, Harris, Tremlett, Onions, Hales and the list could go on.

  • on July 2, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    you're kidding me right.you've got to be kidding me. another fast bowler not playing got injured. man give me a break.

  • Tigg on July 2, 2012, 19:32 GMT

    No big loss. Dernbach is only useful in T20s. Even then not especially. I'd rather Woakes, Meaker or Harris any day.

  • Muhtasim13 on July 2, 2012, 19:19 GMT

    with Anderson & Dernbach out, lets see if Australia can avoid a 5-0 result

  • on July 2, 2012, 19:08 GMT

    Seriously? Somethings wrong with this generation of quicks. I'm tired of hearing of about these athletes getting injured over and over again.

  • Fifthman on July 2, 2012, 19:01 GMT

    These fast bowlers are dropping like flies. This is getting completely ridiculous. I can only begin to imagine what the late great Fred Trueman would have made of all this...

  • SDHM on July 2, 2012, 18:45 GMT

    I'd love to see Woakes get a game and Meaker to come back into the squad - I think both of them a much better long term bets than Dernbach in all forms of the game. I'm guessing Flower and Cook aren't going to risk Anderson with the South Africa series coming up, so I think Woakes could turn out at Edgbaston. It strengthens England's lower order even more too - he's a genuine all-rounder - so Watson's prediction of a weaker lower order look even sillier now!

  • whatawicket on July 2, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    at last a injury that does not hurt us. maybe an T20 player at best but never odis and dont mention test cricket

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 2, 2012, 18:07 GMT

    Just because he has a side strain, doesn't mean you have to show a photo of his side... it's not the caption contest you know!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 2, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    2 for 59 would have been a better performance on paper, but critics must remember he is usually in the team for containment rather than strike. That's why I was surprised when he replaced Anderson... Anderson is a strike bowler, and should have been replaced by another strike bowler after getting ruled out. I hope all the people who commented badly about Cummins getting ruled out are prepared for some feedback!

  • EnglishCricket on July 2, 2012, 17:19 GMT

    Shouldn't really cause any concern because us English are filled with talented replacements and I heard the young Chris Woakes will get an opportunity which is something I would seriously consider considering his past performances.

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  • EnglishCricket on July 2, 2012, 17:19 GMT

    Shouldn't really cause any concern because us English are filled with talented replacements and I heard the young Chris Woakes will get an opportunity which is something I would seriously consider considering his past performances.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 2, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    2 for 59 would have been a better performance on paper, but critics must remember he is usually in the team for containment rather than strike. That's why I was surprised when he replaced Anderson... Anderson is a strike bowler, and should have been replaced by another strike bowler after getting ruled out. I hope all the people who commented badly about Cummins getting ruled out are prepared for some feedback!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 2, 2012, 18:07 GMT

    Just because he has a side strain, doesn't mean you have to show a photo of his side... it's not the caption contest you know!

  • whatawicket on July 2, 2012, 18:18 GMT

    at last a injury that does not hurt us. maybe an T20 player at best but never odis and dont mention test cricket

  • SDHM on July 2, 2012, 18:45 GMT

    I'd love to see Woakes get a game and Meaker to come back into the squad - I think both of them a much better long term bets than Dernbach in all forms of the game. I'm guessing Flower and Cook aren't going to risk Anderson with the South Africa series coming up, so I think Woakes could turn out at Edgbaston. It strengthens England's lower order even more too - he's a genuine all-rounder - so Watson's prediction of a weaker lower order look even sillier now!

  • Fifthman on July 2, 2012, 19:01 GMT

    These fast bowlers are dropping like flies. This is getting completely ridiculous. I can only begin to imagine what the late great Fred Trueman would have made of all this...

  • on July 2, 2012, 19:08 GMT

    Seriously? Somethings wrong with this generation of quicks. I'm tired of hearing of about these athletes getting injured over and over again.

  • Muhtasim13 on July 2, 2012, 19:19 GMT

    with Anderson & Dernbach out, lets see if Australia can avoid a 5-0 result

  • Tigg on July 2, 2012, 19:32 GMT

    No big loss. Dernbach is only useful in T20s. Even then not especially. I'd rather Woakes, Meaker or Harris any day.

  • on July 2, 2012, 19:35 GMT

    you're kidding me right.you've got to be kidding me. another fast bowler not playing got injured. man give me a break.