Australia in England 2012

'They're the best we've got' - Inverarity

Daniel Brettig

July 4, 2012

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Peter Forrest lets a short one go, West Indies v Australia, 1st ODI, St Vincent, March 16, 2012
Despite his modest record John Inverarity says players like Peter Forrest are the most capable players outside the Australian Test XI © AFP
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John Inverarity cannot say why Australia's batting stocks are so thin in 2012, when in the past the country could boast as many as 10 batsmen outside the national team with legitimate claims to a place. But what Inverarity, Australia's national selector, is sure of, is that David Hussey, George Bailey, and Peter Forrest are the most capable batsmen outside the Test XI, and he has resolved to give them the best chances of exposure to England ahead of next year's Ashes series.

The absence of Ricky Ponting and Michael Hussey from the ODI team facing England in five matches has given Australia's batting a slightly anaemic look, the full-blooded strokeplay and intelligence of the two older men replaced by less certain displays from Hussey, Bailey and Forrest. Opinions in Australian cricket on whether these three are indeed the best batsmen outside the Test side are decidedly mixed, but Inverarity spoke of them with assurance.

"They're the best we've got," Inverarity said. "We made a decision six months ago that if through lack of form or retirement or injury there was a place in the team, we don't want these blokes making their international debuts at Lord's in a Test match, so we've got them going. They've tasted, they've toured, they know the guys, and they're familiar.

"When you select, you do the best you can, given the material you've got, and of all the players I speak to, whether they're in or not in, if they've been dropped, I'm in the habit of saying things like 'we're on your side, we want you to go out and prosper, to do as well as you can, we want lots of people knocking down the door'. We want the players to know we want them to do well, but in the end at this particular point of history, there are not as many prolific run scorers outside the Test team.

"Whether it's a cyclic thing or people going into other sports or the influence of T20 and people concentrating on hitting it over extra cover instead of straight, I don't know. But if you look at the 20-26 age group, we'd love to see more prolific players there."

Others to have tasted international cricket in recent times and not gone on to consistent success include Phillip Hughes, Usman Khawaja and Shaun Marsh. Inverarity looked to that trio among the next tier, and also made mention of Chris Rogers, the Middlesex and Victoria batsman, who played one Test in 2008 and is one of few players still playing to live up to the "prolific" tag, having reached 50 first-class centuries this summer.

"Phillip Hughes is doing very well at Worcester. It would be unwise to rush him back in but I think he'll come again," Inverarity said. "Usman Khawaja's over here with Derbyshire, which is great, they're playing T20 at the moment, which is not really his game, but it's good for him to be here for a season in wet and seaming conditions.

"Chris Rogers made 173 at Lord's recently and Shaun might come again if he gets his game settled. But the three we've invested opportunity in the last few months are Forrest, Bailey and David Hussey."

An advocate of cricketers who seek to widen their horizons as young men, Inverarity spoke approvingly of the moves Hughes and Khawaja have made to leave New South Wales. "I'm a great believer in when you get to the top of your mark to bowl, and when you've got one foot each side of the batting crease you're on your own," he said. "So you need to grow up as a young man, you need to develop independence, resilience, your own initiative, I think moving away from your support structures and having to stand on your own two feet enhances that sort of thing."

He was also dismissive of the ageist argument against the retention of Ponting and Michael Hussey, pointing out that fitness and health levels had greatly improved over time. "I don't see why age is relevant," Inverarity said. "If you compare now a 37-year-old with a 37-year-old of 25 years ago, in terms of the way they look after themselves, it is very different. Michael Hussey and Ricky Ponting are so fit, healthy and hungry, there's nobody fitter than they are. If they're hungry, playing well and they're fit, why do we leave them out?"

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Posted by AKS286 on (July 7, 2012, 16:54 GMT)

@ KHAWAJA fans i read many comments about khawaja since ashes is that tremendous talent, awesome talent, best batsman, very talented, khawaja is the replacement of punter,etc What type of talent he has? khawaja is the very much ordinary just below average batsman. a batsman who can't bats in ODIs. T20s & test.

Posted by AKS286 on (July 7, 2012, 16:43 GMT)

i read one of the column that "Warner will switch hit to swann" for this mr. warner you have be for 15 overs or better option bats in middle order.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 7, 2012, 11:26 GMT)

@jonesy2 on (July 07 2012, 07:35 AM GMT) re your last line - No just you

Posted by   on (July 7, 2012, 8:23 GMT)

Does Australia really have less young talent now than ever before? In the last 20 years or so how many young blokes have actually come in and held down a place for an extended period? Mark Waugh, Clarke, Ponting, Slater and i'm sure a couple of others that aren't springing to mind. In fact most of our 'greats' came in and departed again shortly thereafter. Hayden, Martyn, Langer, Katich, S.Waugh all had to go away and do a lot of work on their games in the manner of Hughes, Khawaja, Marsh and co. While others like Gilchrist, Lehmann and Mussey all came along later. It seems to me that we have a management issue as much as anything, in that recently the seasoned pro's have been summarily ignored while we've been seeing as many as two or three youngsters playing when perhaps we'd have looked a better balanced side, experience wise, with a Rogers, Hodge or Dussey in the team. Quite why the Likes of White and Smith have played any tests at all is beyond me.

Posted by jonesy2 on (July 7, 2012, 7:35 GMT)

is this a joke? arguably the best ODI batsman in the world in callum ferguson is left in australia along with shaun marsh, nic maddinson, chris lynn, james faulkner etc. HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY!?

Posted by landl47 on (July 7, 2012, 4:12 GMT)

@Meety, I might buy that, but these figures kind of make me doubt it: 513-1, 620-5, 517, 644. If England can make those kind of scores against the top Australian bowling, either England are even better than I thought they were or the top Australian bowling wasn't so hot. I think Cummins, Pattinson and Starc have a chance to be a really good seam attack, but the Aus batsmen haven't compiled their career averages against them. The fact is I can't remember any time when Aus had so few young promising batsmen. You'll know, from what I have repeatedly written, that I admire the Aussie grit and determination and I know that no series against them is ever going to be easy. I'm also sure that new players will come along. However, just at the moment, it's hard to escape the feeling that Australia is in for a tough few years.

Posted by Meety on (July 6, 2012, 22:03 GMT)

@mayan820/Viljoen - you are basing your assumption on 2 games? What about the 3 games in Sth Africa last year? Am I reading it right, you are relying on Pakistan to horribly wound the Ozzy mentality? No wonder Sth Africa are..... CHOKERS! LOL!

Posted by 5wombats on (July 6, 2012, 17:49 GMT)

@Marcio - what a little larrikin; "luck"! C'mon - who are you in real life? - Dave Hughes?

Posted by JG2704 on (July 6, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

@Mayan820 on (July 05 2012, 21:57 PM GMT) I seem to remember the average Aus batting line up chasing a 300+ total against your all conquering bowling line up in the last test and didn't the average OD side also beat SA in the OD series there. It's amazing how we are getting a growing trend of SA fans who believe in their own hype.

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (July 6, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

@CricHorizon well said mate, great to see Inevarity metion Khawaja as he along with Forrest will be the key batsman in the coming years for Australia.

Posted by First_Drop on (July 6, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

@ CricHorizon - yes, I'm a fan of Khawaja as well. I thinnk he is a tremendous talent who also shows substantial maturity. It's that maturity tha is required to get yourself through those mental straights when the pressure is on. I think he has it.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 11:10 GMT)

Jeremy, you have a short memory. Steve Waugh started out as an all rounder. He could bowl a bit. He became a specialist batsman when he applied himself to that part of the game. And yes, I can recall him making his debut.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 9:51 GMT)

Ja Meety . . . we shall just see about that! And with regard to your so called squad of excellent bowlers we have already seen just how excellent they are in the last two ODI's against England, alone, never mind drawing the ODI and T20 series in West India. The Pakistan batsmen will, moreover, give them such a hiding in the UAE that they will all want to rush back home and hide there forever . . .

Posted by Meety on (July 6, 2012, 7:34 GMT)

@Mayan820 - can't help but chuckle. What has changed since playing your mob on your home turf? I could say that our batting line up is better with Warner in & Marsh out! Our boys will sort your bowlers out. Tahir? If Swann or Murali couldn't do much in Oz - what makes you think Tahir will?

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

Peter Forrest's domestic One Day strike rate is a low 63! Now who would want to have him in the ODI side? Are they selected based on potential or based on form? Steven Smith was selected based on potential but hasn't lived up to that. Potential may be the world's most wasted resource if they don't grab their opportunity with both hands.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

There is a lack of batting quality available to Australia at the international level, to some extent it's just a quirk of fortune - among batsmen aged 25-30 there just isn't that much talent. But the issue is compounded by the last decade of Australian selection policy - falling for the old English mistake of picking bits and pieces cricketers who will never do anything but hang around the fringes of the side and be useful some of the time. Every spot given over to a useful but limited player like, say, Steve Smith, is a spot denied to a batsmen who might develop into a batsmen of real quality. Hussey, both Waughs, Martyn, Ponting all started specialist batsmen at number 6 in some form of the game. Every time Australia picks a guy at no 6 because he can bowl a bit, and not because he is the best batting talent around we make it a ilttle more likely that a selector will stand before the media five years later and say 'this is the best we've got'.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 5:36 GMT)

Now they r regretting the brave and stupid decision of retiring Ponting

Posted by ozwriter on (July 6, 2012, 4:20 GMT)

its great Inverarity has mentioned Khawaja. I look forward to seeing him back in Australian colours soon. He is young and he has plenty of potential for Australia.

Posted by Aussie5566 on (July 6, 2012, 4:16 GMT)

Experienced players like Ponting are needy here. Selectors removed Ponting due to lack of form. But I know many people in the world never care of it much because his form prior to CB Series is great. Everybody knows it. Not only that, such a big names can give a huge form to others too. If the selectors are continue to work like this,Australia will lose their no.1 ranking very very soon. I hate to see it. Selectors must get the responsibility here.

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (July 6, 2012, 4:09 GMT)

@Michael Hidden well said mate, Khawaja was unlucky to be dropped given he top scored few games before against the best bowling attack in the world in SA. He will score alot of runs for QLD this season and i expect him to be back in the Aussie side before the Ashes.

Posted by Mitcher on (July 6, 2012, 3:01 GMT)

To the victor goes the spoils and fair enough the England fans getting their jibes in. But don't delude yourself you know what real dominance is. You've won 2 series in a row. Come back when you've done 8... You haven't even won more Tests than Australian since (and including) when you broke the streak in '05. Hardly the sort of brutal domination that warrants some of the tripe being flung on this site.

Posted by caughtatcover on (July 6, 2012, 2:52 GMT)

The tables have surely turned against the aussies and the current England team is enjoying what the aussies have enjoyed a decade back.However, this is not exactly a panic room yet as there is quite a number of good quality players in the aussie domestic scene.Although not with the same amount of FC experience like their predecessors, the likes of Khwaja, the Marsh brothers, Ferguson, Hughes have the talent to succeed, its just a matter of converting their chances into a regular spots in the XI. This may take a bit of time and we ought to be patient.

Posted by Buckers410 on (July 6, 2012, 1:26 GMT)

aussie team should be Hughes, Wade, Watson, Clarke Warner, Hussey, Smith, Christian, Lee, O'Keefe, McKay, Cummins (when hes not injured)

Posted by Carpathian on (July 6, 2012, 1:19 GMT)

@RandyOZ Classy, very classy. Insensitive as well as hilariously one-eyed.

Posted by Meety on (July 6, 2012, 0:11 GMT)

@whatawicket - I know that the amount of fixtures are considerably more in a County season than Oz. My point was really about quality. Apart from the fact that there are 18 teams, FC fixtures are played against minor counties & University sides (start of the year) that all count to FC averages, with the quality of these teams (minor), being barely 1st or 2nd grade club level in Oz. There are also some significant differences in standard between the 2 county divisions as well. So I don't think it is a given - that a 21yo batsmen averaging say 45 in England, is any better than a 21yo Oz batsmen averaging say 37-40 in Shield cricket. The biggest difference will be that the 21yo County cricketer will be more experienced than the 21yo Shield cricketer. Take Klinger from Sth Oz. In the county scene this yr, he has scored 413 @ 37.5, which lines up fairly well with his Shield record - EXCEPT he hit 120 against Oxford MCCU, if you extract that innings his FC stats against County sides is 29.2.

Posted by getaclue on (July 6, 2012, 0:07 GMT)

@ozzboz - i never said Khawaja shouldnt get a game. I merely rebutted someone saying he led the Shield scoring in 2009 and 2010. He didnt. Enough said

Posted by MinusZero on (July 5, 2012, 22:01 GMT)

I am happy that they are over their obsession with Ferguson...over-rated

Posted by Mayan820 on (July 5, 2012, 21:57 GMT)

I have to say that I find it quite comical how these Ausies, from the players right through to their die hard fans are squirming around trying to look for solutions in an ever growing see of Australian problems. As a Saffer supporter I am certainly not shedding one single tear for this lot. I am just going to enjoy myself thoroughly seeing D. Steyn, M. Morkel, Philander, Imran Tahir and even the youngster M. de Lange tear through this average batting line up. After a good decade and a half of Australia winning everything in sight by pretty much only turning up at the cricket pitch, they will now find out what it is like to sweat blood and tears on a cricket pitch, even only to win one match. We Saffer supporters know all about the latter. Now the Ausies can suffer . . .

Posted by JG2704 on (July 5, 2012, 19:56 GMT)

To be fair , re the bowling 5 of the 6 ICC ODI rated bowlers are there. Bollinger I think was 3rd and obviously isn't. Not sure if he's injured or out of favour.I don't follow Aus crciket so can't comment on who they have in the wings. I have seen Starc and I feel he would be a decent addition to the squad and he's still young too. Pattinson I'd say is a no no for 2 reasons. 1 - I feel he is eratic , 2 - I think they'll want to save him for tests esp after the Cummins injury. Also feel the same re Hilf and esp Harris - not sure how good these guys are in this format. Re batting , again can't comment on who Aus have in the wings. Hughes is doing well in Eng this year and Rogers and Vogues seem to perform well over here. Maybe they're all just having a bad run as I didn't note the volume of comms criticising the squad when it was originally announced

Posted by JG2704 on (July 5, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

@Marcio on (July 05 2012, 12:31 PM GMT) In that 1st ODI in the Australian inns our bowlers also beat Warner (who scored well's) bat plenty of times. You do seem very blinkered/one eyed about these games and I'm sorry but but putting it down to luck above skill is just sour grapes.Probably most of your players have been used in the past and all done better jobs in the past but they are not (for whatever reason) performing to the best of their ability now.This happened to us in tests in the UAE and we had to take it on the chin. You might go on to draw the series from here and with Swann (who was the best containing bowler from us this series) out you stand a much better chance.But come on , learn to admit being outplayed , even if the margins are slim.

Posted by whatawicket on (July 5, 2012, 15:16 GMT)

meety re jacues and similar in state cricket you get 10 games and not sure of the amount of odis/ T20s. in england on average you are getting 4 days of championship and maybe 1.1/2 game of various short format games per week during our season. so once you are in nick what you want is that form to continue so the CC helps you do that. same as out of nick you dont have to fret for a few weeks,till the next game as you would in state cricket. various cricketers over the years have said that playing county cricket has helped their development. most overseas cricketers playing in CC, they have to perform so and im using australia as an example, the aussie guys should be up there scoring runs or taking wickets because as in league cricket they are the pro and its expected of them.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 14:57 GMT)

What exactly have Bailey and Forrest done to be so highly ranked in terms of the Test XI? Surely Khawaja deserves more of an opportunity in that arena - he copped a run out and at least one dodgy decision in the few test innings he has played. To me he looked like a guy with the patience and technique for the 5 day game. Of Khawaja, Marsh, Bailey and Forrest only Usman has a first class double century, he has the highest rate of centuries per first class innings, and the highest average of the four. He's also the youngest so therefore the best long term option. More to the point, cos stats don't tell every story, he looked assured and composed against two of the world's best attacks in England and Sth Africa. Keep Forrest and Bailey for the shorter forms of the game only. Usman is the future for our test team.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

guys wat abt usman khawaja and philip hughes? give them a go!

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (July 5, 2012, 13:32 GMT)

Its great to see the comments from folks from the sub continent supporting Khawaja, because we forget sometimes what a big step was made by this move as it opens the door for other sub continent players to improve our team just like England has been doing it for many years. I can see Australia having a player from an Indian, Sri Lankan or Pakistan background captaining Australia in the coming years which would be great. Clarke and the selectors deserve a big wrap for this.

Posted by Marcio on (July 5, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

I think the article puts a negative spin on things in a way Inverarity didn't. What amazes me is that these players, who have a done a fantastic job these past 18 months, are now getting bashed after, wait for it, two ODI losses abroad! It's just sad, really. I can understand the sneers of the Poms. It's standard. But Aussie fans should have a little faith in the players, especially considering they have won just about everything in the past season & a half. I confidently predict an Aussie win in the 3rd ODI. This series has been bizarely skewed by a period of ten overs at the start of the 1st ODI, where the ENG openers survived despite being beaten again and again and again by great bowling from Lee and co, while scoring at two runs an over (setting up later big hitting by morgan). The truth is that this was more luck than skill, and the AUS camp has since gone on the defensive, trying to copy the tactics. This style is simply not suited to us. Play your natural game boys! Attack!

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 12:29 GMT)

Rob Quiney easy fix state play of the year in great form and proberly in our top few batsmen. Problem solved

Posted by Moppa on (July 5, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

The selectors have got it mostly right, its just that they're mixing up their formats - perhaps with one eye on the Ashes as some here have suggested. Forrest has potential and looks a good shot-maker - but he's a poor 50 over player as he's inflexible and dependant on hitting boundaries (which is difficult outside the powerplays). I'm also not sold on Bailey as an ODI player. @landl47, you are right that Ferguson is a long way from Test selection, but IMO he should be lining up at 5 in this ODI team in the absence of Mike Hussey to pace the innings. I think Dan Christian is miles ahead of Smith as an ODI all-rounder, but both nowhere near Test quality. D.Hussey fully deserves his ODI spot, and would do OK in Tests given a chance. Australia's batting depth leaves a little to be desired but things would look better if the right players were playing the right formats. My ODI batting for this tour would have been: Warner, Wade, Watson, Clarke, Ferguson, D.Hussey, Christian, bowlers

Posted by Hammond on (July 5, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

@Sean Stoddart- I think you'll find Cricket Australia has the same strict qualification criteria that England has. Number 1 they have to be a citizen of the country, and number 2 they have to fulfil a qualification period to be eligible to play for the country. Englands is currently 7 years, I couldn't find what Australia has in place. Can anyone enlighten me on their policy?

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (July 5, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

@Satish you are right about Khawaja bein an inspiration to all the sub continent youngsters trying to make it for Australia. My kids love watching him play and I hope that he is able to get back in the Aussie side soon. Great ambassador for our wider community not only in Sydney and Melbourne but all of Australia.

Posted by ozwriter on (July 5, 2012, 11:35 GMT)

respect to inverarity for being honest about the resources. but this is not the best crop we have, that is the fundamental problem. also the timing of these comments leaves a lot to be desired. after a 4-0 defeat, perhaps. but mid-series? after 2 losses? if he had made those comments in Australia, the media and public would have been all over him

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 11:34 GMT)

@hyclass - several things - notice Inverarity specifically mentioned DHussey & Rogers? Also - regarding Hopes & AB Mac - what capacity would you have them in National sides??? BTW - regarding Smith, there is plenty of evidence in the completed Oz summer just gone (IMO), that Smith has some improvement. His Shield & Ryobi form was quite good & led his T20 team the Sydney Whatevers pretty well!

Posted by ozwriter on (July 5, 2012, 11:33 GMT)

@hyclass, well said too. the fringe type players should be groomed in Australia A tours against worthy opposition. It is totally farcical that bailey and forrest get into the limited overs teams on the back of a couple of good Sheffield Shield games (four-day games). remember forrest couldnt make into the NSW team, yet now he is one of the top 6 in the country?? ROFL, give me a break! it is equally absurd that cowan who has had a less than average record for many years leap frogs everyone else based on a few hundreds in one season, anyone watching him knows he is a grafter, his limited shot selection and only scored well against poor bowling teams. David Hussey is the only one out of this crop that deserves to be there based on his domestic record.

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 11:30 GMT)

@katandthat3 - exactly right. Whether the brain's trust are right to act within the current cycle of talent that we have is something we'll know more about 12 mths from now. In that time I hope for several things 1) The young batting talent that certainly does exists in the Shield start putting fwd undeniable cases for selection in the various formats, 2) The seasoned campaigners try their best to keep the younger upstarts out of the National squads, 3) The ODI squad is selected more on 50 over merit (with some scope for blooding). 4) The magic bullet is found for better management of our quicks - injury wise (Good luck - Howard), 5) We move more to specialised squads for the 3 formats (I like Siddle being considered a Test specialist for Example), 6) We kick some Pommy preverbials!

Posted by ozwriter on (July 5, 2012, 11:26 GMT)

lets put things into context. australia is a sporting country and has a wonderful sporting tradition. they have invested successful athletes in a wide range of sports ranging from triathlon and gymnastics to swimming, tennis, rugby union, soccer and rugby league. And above all these sports is CRICKET, which stands as the national sport of the country. it is the sport that dominates the summer. it is the sport Australians most love to win in and be the best in the world at. In light of this context, it is entirely inappropriate to use the national team as playground experiment. only those proven to be resilient and worthy through outstanding domestic records should be given a chance. As ponting has said umpteen times, in his day you needed an average of 40-45+to get a look in. the fact is there are a few players with this type of domestic record but they have been overlooked in favour of players with inferior track records but 'recent form' only (forrest/bailey/cowan)

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 11:15 GMT)

I know Forrest might be a good option for TEST cricket...but for short formats he is not suitable, he scores at a slow rate. George Bailey i think is a good player for ODI cricket and they should stick with him. D.Hussey has been there in odi's for a while and he is a solid perfomer so i would definitely hav him in my team. But i feel some of australias best options are NOT in the current squad, players including Adam Voges, Callum Ferguson, Phil Hughes and Tom Cooper(currently playing ODI's for netherlands). The most unlucky guy in this is Adam Voges, he has never had more then a couple of matches in a row and he has always played well when he has been chosen, yet somehow when we really need someone like him he is nowhere to be seen he's in england but he's playing FLT20 instead of ODI;s for aus..

Posted by Gordo85 on (July 5, 2012, 10:58 GMT)

I nearly forgot this does what Ivenarity said mean the same as far as wicketkeepers? I mean if it does include them then Brad Haddin isn't in the 'They're the best we've got' because lets be honest he wasn't playing well when he was playing for Australia last time and I think it went on for say 6 months wittout dropping him. In other words while Paine is getting back to his best it should be Chris Hartley instead of Brad Haddin in the contracted list.

Posted by hyclass on (July 5, 2012, 10:47 GMT)

Adam Voges continues to remain invisible to the selection panel.He has an excellent ODI record,averages 43 at a strike rate of 91,has a reasonable 1st class record averaging 41 and is currently playing well for his County side Nottinghamshire.There is a great deal of intelligence in Inverarity's comments on age and fitness but the practice of devaluing any International match by consciously playing less than the best eleven for the task is unprofessional and publicly stating that you don't have any answers beyond the current failed selections is a huge psychological advantage to England.I believe he should have kept this to himself.The national side is not a creche.Shield,List A and Australia A matches are the developmental tools.Nothing in the record of Forrest suggests he should be playing ODI's for Australia.Smith is being selected on ancient memories rather than recent form or any semblence of improvement.Guys like McDonald and Hopes must be tearing their hair out at being ignored.

Posted by Hammond on (July 5, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

@RandyOz- you were agreeing with me the other day about not having a go at injured cricketers. Why does Marcus not count?

Posted by anuradha_d on (July 5, 2012, 10:31 GMT)

Inveraity is playing games with the English......misleading them.....making theme hear what they would like to hear

Posted by katandthat3 on (July 5, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

I guess this ODI series was seen as a chance to give guys on the fringes of the test squad a chance against excellent international opposition with the Ashes next year. If it was a squad with an eye to building towards the next WC in Australia we'd see a different side (maybe it's too early to think of 2015 just yet). In the next 12 months I certainly hope to see a squad with more of an ODI focus towards the WC with the batting group like (Quiney, Warner, Watson, S Marsh, White, Ferguson, Voges, Clarke, Burns, Finch, Khawaja, Hughes, Bailey). Be interesting over the next two years to see how guys like Lynn, Maddinson, Patterson, Pomersbach & even Cosgrove (if he lost 25kgs) go. England have been too good so far and it's certainly given us plenty to ponder but I'm sure we'll see a different ODI side emerge in the next year. M Marsh, Coulter-Nile, Neser, Faulkner, Christian are the allrounders with a chance.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 10:23 GMT)

Lets open Australia's borders to all foreign cricketers. If we can't produce decent cricketers we'll import them like the poms.

Posted by AussieGreek on (July 5, 2012, 9:24 GMT)

Have the selectors forgotten about White and Marsh. Cameron White finally came back to form after a horror two summers and 2011. He was Australia's leading run scorer in 2010 and recently one of the leading run scorers in this years IPL. They played Steve Smith solely on IPL form. Interesting fact that Steve Smith did not bowl one ball this year in the IPL. What about Ferguson? he is a better middle order player than Bailey and could probably bat at 3. He can keep the scoreboard ticking unlike Forrest and has had a very good domestic one day record for the recent summer and has a fairly decent international record although he is terrible at T20. What about Tom Cooper who is smashing it for Holland, Dan Christian had an excellent summer with the bat and offers another bowling option why was he dropped?

Posted by OneEyedAussie on (July 5, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

I often wonder if in 50 years people will look back at S. Smith's sub-20 batting average and plus-40 bowling average and stroke out from trying to twist their mind around how he ever got so many international games? Of course, Inverarity is wrong - young doesn't equal better than old. Batsmen are in their prime from their late twenties to their mid thirties and this is when they should be picked and retain if they are doing well. Ferguson and White have good one day records and are entering into their prime, they should be picked.

Posted by RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on (July 5, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

John Inverarity , then who are Tom Cooper and Joe Burns.

This is the problem with putting people who have not played Long International Cricket in such positions. John is a good bloke and was a great wa capt, but selecting nationl teams is different. Rod Marsh should have been chief selector with shane warne (Warnie mentioned in his book dat he would love to be selector) instead of inverarity

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 5, 2012, 9:04 GMT)

Did someone mention Trescothick? Haha I still get a laugh thinking about this guy trying to play cricket.

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 5, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

@Carpathian... Agree, & I commented here a number of times that Ponting was still a much better ODI player than Test in recent years but couldn't see CA dropping him for Tests & keep him for ODI's... Still, there aren't any selections by the NSP that have proven to be as good as Ponting in ODI's so am leaving the whole topic open to debate...

Posted by Vakbar on (July 5, 2012, 8:59 GMT)

Great news. Looking forward to seeing this so-called batting line-up get pummelled next year as well.

And I'm afraid Hussey and Ponting are not going to be much help either. Ponting's average in england is about 35. So I don't think he'll be able to buy a run against this bowling attack at 38 years of age. Hussey has a better record and technique, but age will definitely count against him.

Australia have done exactly the wrong thing...they needed to repeat what they did with Waugh et al. post the Lillee/Chappell era - i.e. find talented yougsters and back them until they deliver. They're better off investing in Khawaja, Rogers et al. then a bunch of old-pros like D. Hussey, Bailey etc.

Anyway, what do we Poms care, we spent 20 years getting pummelled, so a few more years of payback are definitely required before we start moaning about the lack of competition Australia provide!

Posted by Herbet on (July 5, 2012, 8:58 GMT)

I can remember reading an article a couple of years back about how Australia would always have world class batsmen because of the 'culture', for want of a better word, of batting over there and the quality of coaching. I think this article was when Australia were just starting to slip, but they still had the likes of Jaques, Rogers, Hodge and Hussey seemingly in the wings to take over. I believed the article too. This article though, crucially, was when T20 was just a 2 week bit of hit and giggle played in England for a laugh, before any World Cups and the IPL. To my mind, it is these things that has done for Australia's batting. Too many of their young players have had their heads turned by Marsh & Watson's early success in the IPL and tried to emulate them, rather than the Waugh's, Ponting, Hayden and Langer. For now, I would say England will have an advantage in technique, because it is simply harder to bat here, and we aren't so in love with T20. For now.

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 5, 2012, 8:49 GMT)

@landl47... We are talking about the best possible Oz ODI team here & players in good recent form, so your comment is off base... Test cricket (with a capital T) is a completely different topic, so please keep that to the relative post :) ...

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (July 5, 2012, 8:46 GMT)

@Ozzbozz you are spot on mate, the bottom line is that if Khawaja gets runs in this coming shield season then he deserves to be called back into the Aussie team and I am confident that Clarke and Co will bring him back as Clarke is a very fair captain who rewards performances.

Posted by satish619chandar on (July 5, 2012, 8:43 GMT)

What i would have preferred from Aussies.. 1. Khawaja getting more chances at top order than Cowan.. Khawaja never looked out of sorts but just had a poor start at 6. 2. Bring back Katich again. 3. Bring back Hauritz.. Doherty or Lyon is certainly not better or equal to Hauritz.. And, he can bat too. ODI : 1. Voges for Smith in middle order.. 2. Callum Fergusson in.. Not sure what wrong he did.. 3. Hauritz in again.. Apart from this, i guess Aussies have no good steady options..

Posted by xavierBeru on (July 5, 2012, 8:32 GMT)

I think Ponting should've been retained in the ODI, Even though he was not in good form .big names in the team always creates bit pressure for the opposition. without ponting and hussey it looks very ordinary team.

John please bring Cameron White, Shaun Marsh,Michael Klinger,Callum Ferguson.

Posted by Gordo85 on (July 5, 2012, 8:30 GMT)

As much as I like Iverarity for being honest and having lots of sense but on this case he is wrong. To me Ferguson and Cosgrove both deserve to play more international cricket for Australia and they should have been considered infront of Forrest. Both players should play Test cricket at some stage while they are still pretty young otherwise they will keep on getting older and older and they will never get picked because people will says they are too old now. Time for a bit of a wake up call please. Ferguson is great in the field and Cosgrove isn't the worst either and Cosgrove can bowl if things are going wrong or if you need someone else to bowl.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 8:28 GMT)

after the retirement of punter nd huss from test team aus top 7 i believe sud look somewhat like this...1.hughes 2.shaun marsh 3.usman khawaja 4.watson 5.clarke 6.bailey 7. paine/ wade...nd groom joe burns, chris lynn,nic maddinson...hughes, marsh nd khawaja they r class act nd will come gud.hughes was asked to change his technique dat yielded so many runs for him..marsh was brought back without match practice against india...nd khawaja though didn't score big but looked good...nd as for bailey well he averages 40+ in first class so give him a go at 6 nd warner is missing from my top 7 bt i believe he needs to play more shield nd county cricket... as for odi 1.warner 2.wade/paine 3.hughes/s marsh 4.watson 5.clarke 6.ferguson/cooper/voges/white 7.mitch marsh

Posted by tasliskr on (July 5, 2012, 8:19 GMT)

i more thing ....cummins/mckay would make my present aussie xi

Posted by tasliskr on (July 5, 2012, 8:15 GMT)

yeah inveraritity said it right... now we lacks some good players in batting and bowling...we can't make our team a super power with these resources. so use rotation policy to make all players are filled in spot and confuse the opponents..my aus xi would be-wade/ warner,watson/d.hussey,clarke,bailey/white/forrest,hastings,lee,johnson,cummins,doherthy/hauritz/holland/beer.

watson is not good enough as an opener even though he scored runs....worse in making partnerships...david needs to bat higher ie;@3/4...we should rotate our spinners after 2 series.....bcoz none of them r good @test level

Posted by Ozzbozz on (July 5, 2012, 8:06 GMT)

Some folks are getting a bit too excited regarding stats and averages. Getaclue. If England did that then Trescothik would never have been picked for England when Knight was injured in 2000. Going by averages for that summer so far he was way behind others, it was only because Fletcher saw him destroy Glamorgan the year before in a game against them. Also Nasser Hussain would have been dumped because his stats were rubbish , except it was his leadership and tenacity that won them some matches they never should have. Sometimes coaches can see over and above averages. Which is why Khawaja deseveres another go, you can really see he has all the shots, its just whether the Aussies coaches have the foresight that Dunc had.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 7:54 GMT)

@Landl47. I think you are somewhere pretty close to the mark with your comments... Australia really needs to look past that group of 30+ year olds that contains the likes of Ferguson, White, Voges etc as none of them ever stamped their place in the team the way Clarke and Watson have. They need to concentrate on what's coming. The likes of Maddinson, Burns, Lynn, Khawaja, Hughes, Forrest etc have the next two seasons to work their way to the front of the pack before the departure of Ponting and Hussey. This should be ample time for one or two of them to stack on the runs. Maddinson and Lynn's records aren't great but i put that down to the infamous second season blues and expect both to bounce back hard this season after going so well in their intitial seasons. There's a heap of talent around in the aussie fc scene, it's just that at the moment you're seeing guys like Bailey and Forrest playing outside of their season in a format which is not their best.

Posted by Number_5 on (July 5, 2012, 7:49 GMT)

SR Waugh averaged nothing special before getting picked, albeit as an allrounder. His form early showed glimpses but nothing to suggest what he would become. Maybe the answer is picking young talented players and give them a chance to develop, accepting some pain otw. The Reality is guys (legends) like Hayden, Gilchrist, Punter and co have been kept in the team for too long. An the next rung of developing players missed their chance to develop in a team with enough experienced players to give them that time. Eng have a far superior squad. With McDermott no longer bowling coach and some inconsistent selection policies i dont think we can expect any chance of retaining the ashes till 2019 in Aust.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

mr inverarity u r wrong as Fergusan & Voges r better choices than these readymades

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

1- Wade/Paine 2 Warner 3 Watson 4 Clarke 5 Fergusan 6 Hussey 7 D Hussey 8 Doherty 9 Lee 10 Pattinson 11 Cummins

fergusan is way better than bailey/forrest & i fail to understand why is he out after averaging 41 in ODI's

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

Mr Inverarity, are you trying to be funny???DO you really think that Bailey, Forrest and Smith are the best batsmen?come on just look back and you will find Ferguson, Voges, White, Cooper, Quiney, Birt and Klinger scoring truck load f runs bt never mekin in2 d squads for som strange reasons...xactly d same reasons which prompted u 2 go 4 Cowan, play Forrest in ODIs and Smith in tests.. I just hope that you can get your senses right befor we plummet to WI depth...plz giv d desrvin a chnce n dnt mek d caps so cheap...When a player like Ferguson who has already proved his mettle at the intl stge is coolin his heels wat bgness Forrest has 2 blk 15 balls in an ODI n den gt out???

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 7:05 GMT)

@landl47 - the thing that needs to be recognised with Oz averages (IMO), is that the most recent seasons the bowlers are out performing the batsmen at Shield level. So whilst most of the batsmen you noted are not world beaters, I believe they will only find 2 pace attacks better than what they face at home (Saffas & your mob). To further put Oz batting in perspective - have a look at Jaques. For about 2 yrs he struggled to average over 30 in Shield cricket, he has retired - headed over to Eng. for a County stint & lo & behold he is averaging 60. Now I know that it is Div 2, but it is FC cricket - what is the best guage for averages? Katich has retired & is now averaging this County season @48, & it was 44 in the last yr gone in Shield. So - if we were to play a game of what if, what if the standard of bowling is better in Oz such that it equates to around 5 or 6 runs per innings?

Posted by getaclue on (July 5, 2012, 6:42 GMT)

Mat_Mcintosh - seriously mate check YOUR facts. 08-09 leading run scorers Klinger Rogers Hughes. 09-10 DHuss Cowan Hughes. 10-11 Cosgrove Quiney Jacques. You've just plucked Uzi coz you like him, no facts involved.

Posted by Carpathian on (July 5, 2012, 6:41 GMT)

@Zen Personally, I think Ponting should've been retained in the ODI and tapped on the shoulder when it came to Test matches, but an average of 5 runs per innings in his last 7 one-day matches didn't give him much cause for complaint.

Posted by the_flying_squad on (July 5, 2012, 6:33 GMT)

one comment @ landl47; Hussey averaged 50+ but look at his stats if you remove county cricket; from memory it's late 30's or very early 40's. Not as many of our players are playing consecutive years in the county system.

Posted by Keepa-batsman on (July 5, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

Warner,?????,Clarke, Ponting, Hussey, Watson,Paine/Wade,Siddle, Pattinson, Hilfenhaus, Cummins

Posted by bigfrank on (July 5, 2012, 5:59 GMT)

Katich only averages 30 in Ashes Tests in England,over 2 series - both of which Australia lost.He was dropped so Australia could find an opener for the 2013 Ashes series in England who can average more than 30 in the series.Having said that,it doesn't look as if that mission has been accomplished yet,and time is running out...

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 5:55 GMT)

and the only batsman who is forgotten is the big hitting cameron white, with the kind of form he is in rite now ,he should be given an oppurtunity again and he is also had the experience on his side having played in english conditions

Posted by David_Boon on (July 5, 2012, 5:14 GMT)

"Posted by zenboomerang on (July 05 2012, 03:12 AM GMT)

@Carpathian... Ponting wasn't dropped due to form - from Sep2009 to the end of 2011 his ODI ave@43.26 is above his overall record - of the 55 matches he played, only 11 were at home with 2 series against Eng in Eng + Ind, SL, at their homes... He was dropped for reasons that are obvious, but still don't make sense to most fans..."

^^This. Ricky Ponting, Ricky Ponting & Ricky Ponting should be playing. Enough said.

Posted by venkatesh018 on (July 5, 2012, 5:05 GMT)

Bring Simon Katich back from retirement, if Australia are to have any chance of regaining the Ashes next year.

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (July 5, 2012, 4:56 GMT)

Aussies have to start from the bottom. Play Zim beat them then BAN beat them then WI beat them then NZ beat them then IND beat them then SA beat them then ENG beta them then SL beat them. Then they are No 1.

Posted by landl47 on (July 5, 2012, 4:50 GMT)

Reading some of the comments here, it's hard to realize that Australians are making them. Saying that players like Klinger (age 32, FC average 38), Quiney (30 next month, average 37) and Birt (30, average 35) are going to lead Australia back to the top are just plain ridiculous. They have a few good Shield games in the course of an ordinary career and suddenly they're top test players? Joe Burns has a chance; he's 22 and averages 46, but he's only played 14 FC games. Maddinson is 20, only averages 33 but has time to develop. Faulkner might be a decent all-rounder, but bowling is his stronger suit and it's batting Aus lacks. Lynn's 22, av. 36. Cooper's 25, av. 37. Finch is 25, av. 32. Folks, Mike Hussey couldn't get in the Aus XI until he was 30 and he averaged 50. Rogers played one test and he averaged 50- because 7 years ago Aus had great players. Now you're pushing ordinary players and saying they'll beat top test sides. It just isn't going to happen and Inverarity knows it.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 4:45 GMT)

i've a feeling they need to dig up one or two one-day specialist batsmen, as i don't think Bailey or Forrest are really suited to one-dayers

Posted by popcorn on (July 5, 2012, 4:35 GMT)

This is a terrible admission. What depths have we sunk to,if Steve Smith is considered "among the best we've got!" Why not Callum Fergusson,Adam Voges, Micheel Klinger, Phil Hughes (only for ODIs),Usman Khawaja. All those I have listed are far better than Steve Smith.He's neither a good batsman, nor a good bowler.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (July 5, 2012, 3:56 GMT)

Our batting depth is light and Inverarity was just being honest. English batting depth isn't great either, but better than Australia's. They are just handling our bowling much better which isn't as great as the English.

Posted by Lakpj on (July 5, 2012, 3:49 GMT)

surely Calum Fergason got to be better than at least David Hussey, George Bailey, or Peter Forrest. What has he done wrong to get ignored. I think he averages more than 42 in the ODIs he had played.

Posted by mikey76 on (July 5, 2012, 3:42 GMT)

Randy. Can't wait to see Hughes get 800+ runs next ashes.....in his dreams. Oh you actually have to play to get the runs btw.

Posted by johnnycash on (July 5, 2012, 3:28 GMT)

This is what happens when you drop a guy that is scoring a mountain of runs but is deemed too old after one lean patch. I'm talking about Simon Katich. You can't tell me that any of the batsman we have on the up is going better than him in the last couple of years. You get dropped, sure, go back to shield cricket and score runs. Lots of them. You are trying to break your way in, sure, score lots of runs, breaking records like Katich did a couple of years ago will do it. But don't score a hundred in shield cricket and then expect a call up (ala Andrew Symonds). Score 5 hundreds and maybe you are a chance.

Posted by Mary_786 on (July 5, 2012, 3:14 GMT)

@getaclue, check your facts mate, Khawaja was the best shield batsman in 2010, he got the bradman medal that year, you need to check your facts before you blog mate. RahulF is spot on and agree with him that Khawaja is one of the best future prospects for the Aussie team who should be back in the side this season.

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 5, 2012, 3:13 GMT)

@Inverarity :- "They're the best we've got"... Didn't you read the Argus Report?... Current form + good record!... Last SS season Davis, Christian, Voges, Nevill averaged above 50, while Quiney, Klinger above 45, Cooper, Burns, Rogers above 40... In the Ryobi Cup Cooper was outstanding with ave@73 from 8 games, Reardon @57, Klinger @55, Ferguson @52, Quiney @44... Not sure what else some of these players can do to get recognised...

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 5, 2012, 3:12 GMT)

@Carpathian... Ponting wasn't dropped due to form - from Sep2009 to the end of 2011 his ODI ave@43.26 is above his overall record - of the 55 matches he played, only 11 were at home with 2 series against Eng in Eng + Ind, SL, at their homes... He was dropped for reasons that are obvious, but still don't make sense to most fans...

Posted by Paul_Rampley on (July 5, 2012, 3:10 GMT)

I think RandyOz may be trying to stir up negative comments against Hughes and Khawaja. But ingoring that the bottom line is that its good that players such as Khawaja and Forrest are on the radar as they are the stable batsman needed to take over once Ponting and Hussey retire. Don't agree with bringing David Hussey in at age 35 as he is more suited to the shorter formats. Looking forward to watching Khawaja and Forrest make plenty of runs for QLD and they could form our number 3 and 4 batsman for the longer term.

Posted by Carpathian on (July 5, 2012, 3:06 GMT)

@skkh Ponting wasn't performing in ODIs - he was dropped. Ponting's last 12 months: 13 matches, Avg 24.83. If you take the matches since his last 50, we've got: 7 matches, Avg 5.57. The previous 2 years: 25 matches, Avg 29.40 (compared to career Avg of 42.03).Ponting wasn't performing in Tests - Khawaja was dropped, even though he'd outperformed Ponting during the time he spent in the side. Khawaja's since been ostracised because his face doesn't fitin the boys' club and Ponting has gone onto success against a disinterested Indian attack and more mediocre form in the West Indies. It's been a long time since Ponting has batted well against high-quality bowling.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 3:04 GMT)

It's a shocking indictment of the state of Australian cricket that David Hussey & Chris Rogers - both in their mid-30s - are regarded by the Aussie selectors as being 'promising', & that mediocre State journeymen such as Forrest, Bailey & Smith seem to be the next Test cabs off the rank. Along with already-proven Test failures like Hughes, Khawaja & Marsh, they might *just* cobble together the occasional century against the minnows of India, New Zealand & the WIndies, but against the world-class attacks of England, Pakistan & South Africa, they're mincemeat. What's the use of unearthing a string of promising seamers & a high-class new wicket-keeper in Wade if you can neither keep those seamers fit nor hope to call upon any batting firepower at all for the next five years at least?

Posted by bantersaurus on (July 5, 2012, 2:32 GMT)

I've got no idea why Rob Quiney is not in England right now in either Aus or Aus A tour. Has been making truck loads of runs in all forms. Steve Smith has been in the set up for 2 years now, played near 40 ODI's and should be looking more comfortable at the crease but lets be honest he just looks too far out of his depth. Along with Warner opening the batting we need 2 genuine opening batsman at 2 & 3 to bat properly then Clarke, Watson and Hussey to come in and consolidate. We have been swept up in splitting up the ODI and test playing group when we should just go back to basics and pick a top 4 that can bat, 5-8 that can whack it when called upon and back the bowlers to defend it. Klinger scored 500 runs @ 55 for SA, Forrest 176 @ 29 in ODD cricket... Reward performance not potential.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (July 5, 2012, 2:29 GMT)

@RandyOZ on (July 04 2012, 22:48 PM GMT), but Randy, the selectors only did what you wanted when you said that Hughes and Khawaja needed to be AXED. They probably didn't even let Hughes down lightly, just like you said. They also got rid of Starc and Ponting, just like you said. You've really had an influence on team selection and now you want to just undo all your good work. Or were they all just rubbish in Tests and you never meant ODIs too? But hang on, If Hughes is back for the next Ashes then that will be Tests. It's all a bit confusing. Oh what a tangled web you weave.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 2:12 GMT)

@RandyOz "Phil Hughes is absolutely tearing it up in England at the moment. 800+ runs next Ashes." Didn't you say that last time?

Posted by skkh on (July 5, 2012, 2:10 GMT)

Carpathian ..mate your reasoning makes no sense to me. You say Ponting was dropped from ODI's as he was not performing. In the same breath you reason that Khawaja was dropped from the tests due to Ponting's sharp decline as a test batsmen. I think Ponting is not the same batsman that he was a couple of years back, but he still is a better batsman than the other aspirants by a far mile. He is getting older and his reflexes are not any better. The absence of Ponting and Mike Hussey in the ODI side has now turned the Australian ODI side into a mediocre side which will be mauled by one and all. Yes we in Australia should plan for the future and plan accordingly but we should also select the best possible side and in my opinion Ponting should be in both the test and ODI side till someone else can challenge for his spot in the team.

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (July 5, 2012, 2:02 GMT)

Watson said No 7 is a problem for POMS. Now Aussies found after 2 games. Aussies got a lot of batting problems. Trying to hide your own big problems by exploiting opposition's tiny problems.

Posted by jakeyboy91 on (July 5, 2012, 2:00 GMT)

Warner and watson both deserve a decent crack - although people like Aaron finch or Rob Quiney must be wondering what they need to do to deserve a chance. Clarke needs to move to 3 - hes the leader, needs to lead from the front. I think Marsh deserves another crack, yes had a terrible season at home against india but the guy is class. D Hussey and M hussey make up 5 and 6 in the order. Forrest and bailey are not international standard. Wade at 7 - although hope Paine comes back soon. Johnson has proven he is past it, Mckay is hugely overrated, same with doherty. Hilfy is a test player only. wheres harris? ODI pace attack should be Pattinson, Lee, Harris/Starc - for being left arm. To say this is the best Aus have should be considered insulting to players like Khawaja, O Keefe, Joe Burns, Ferguson, Tom Cooper, Michael Klinger, Christian, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, Glenn maxwell, Finch, Quiney, Marsh brothers, Coulter Nile, Voges, Birt - who could put australia back to the top

Posted by naveenpnayak on (July 5, 2012, 1:59 GMT)

Forrest is a real waste, I don't see any talent in him. There are some good batsmen in Australia like Aaron Finch, Travis Birt, Luke Pomersbach. Y not give them a chance and see. Also would like to see the inclusion of Mitchel Marsh, John Hasting, Peter Siddle, Doug Bollinger, Daniel Christian into the team. Even David Huss is doing no good for his brothers place, Hence should be replace by Mike Huss ASAP.

Posted by Trickstar on (July 5, 2012, 1:55 GMT)

@FreddyForPrimeMinister Your comments are way wide of the mark as far as Colly, he had been under performing for 2 years before HE decided to call it a day, the media didn't force him out at all, quite the opposite if it had most other players they would have been hounded out but Colly went to make room for younger guys. He knew he hadn't been performing that's why he retired, the press didn't call for his head, or ask him to retire the pressure was mounting and his lack of runs became a issue just like Strauss' had and you can't hide from that fact. LOL he's even spoke about it at length his reasons for retiring and Colly's not the kind of guy who would have gone out on anything less than his own terms. All you need to do is look how many runs he's scored for Durham since he retired, next to none. England made the right choice to leave him out of the one day set up as well, we needed to move on, you can't pick someone just because he was a good fielder that's ridiculous

Posted by rienzied on (July 5, 2012, 1:39 GMT)

Please look at other states. When all the contracts were given out, 4 of the batting contract were given out to men past 35! (2 hussey brothers, ponting and haddin (he might be 34 but he is batting like he is 90!).. We have plenty of talented batsment and proven players like Ferguson, Marsh, Robinson, Davis.. open your eyes John!

Posted by the_flying_squad on (July 5, 2012, 1:09 GMT)

I think a lot of people miss the point; yes there are a lot of players with talent, but hardly any of them are 'knocking the door down'. We need players to score over 1000 shield runs consecutively. This year we need to see the likes of Burns, S.Marsh, Maddinson, Cooper etc to dominate. Clearly the shield is a bowlers comp at the moment, the pitches produced are dictating that, but if we can create a stronger second tier of batsman obviously it will flow through. To suggest the selectors are to blame is ludicrous, they are picking players they believe (and clearly in discussion with respective senior players in the country) can make it at the top level. Hughes, Khwaja etc clearly have talent but they haven't exactly set the world alight. I wouldn't mind seeing Hughes at 3, perhaps it's more suited.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 0:47 GMT)

An ex australian fast bowler has told me he calls this current team yo-yo players as they are in and out of the team so much.

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 0:29 GMT)

@Paul Anderson - of all the players you picked (talking as test bating candidates), Neville is the only one with good enuff stats & appropriate career length. I believe Burns will be the next QLD test batsmen, but he is still a fledgling, our own KP (Kurtis), has played ONE FC match. All the rest you mentioned are either 1) Too young (career terms), 2) Not good enuff, or 3) Not good enuff yet. @montys_muse - I would consider S Marsh for a sub-continental tour. @Hammond "...We need to win one more ashes series before we can start doing that." - yep you are sooo Australian hey? @Truemans_Ghost - good point, it's a compliment, but also a slap in the face! @Markus971 - YES! Well said. I was so dissapointed that his 2nd season for Tassie was underwhelming, I felt if he backed it up with another season averaging say 45, he'd be at least on an A-tour. He needs to ensure his slips fielding is good, because he won't be winning many bowlers hearts in the covers!!!!

Posted by burnsy7 on (July 5, 2012, 0:22 GMT)

Australia should get the players like khawaja, cowan, hughes, smith, maddinson, ferguson, bailey, forest, cummins, starc and the players on the fringe of national selection, playing games as a group for Australia A more often, Like a tour and play a number of games.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 0:17 GMT)

"They're the best we've got' - Inverarity" ARE YOU SERIOUS, do they even watch the Australian domestic cricket games or dont they have foxtel either.

Klinger has been a solid performer, Quiney had a fantastic year, nsw young opener Nic Maddinson , Ben Rohrer, Tim Birt , Cooper, O'keefe, the Marsh brother and so on..... plenty, i dont want to even here were short of players batters or bowlers.

bowlers are struggling there with out Craig McDermott atm.

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 0:17 GMT)

@Heisenburg - re: whether the selectors are doing a good job. That's a hard one, I think there is certainly more EFFECTIVE communication between them & the players, however, I'd like to see that improve in the public domain. This is a top article, although it could of been produced more at the time of the original selections. Under the parameter of blooding/exposing batsmen to International cricket, the squad is a reasonable one, from a perspective of winning ODIs & retaining the #1 ranking (whatever that is worth), not so good. @FreddyForPrimeMinister - good point, the main weakness in the England team is the #6 position, which hasn't been properly filled since Collingwood. Whether Colly was past it or not, it possibly would of been more effective to have given him another shot at some time whilst the long term candidates put their case fwd.

Posted by getaclue on (July 5, 2012, 0:12 GMT)

&raulf - khawaja did NOT lead sheild run scoring in in 2009 & 2010. Everyone is banging on about khawaja, cooper, fergy et al - what Inveriarity is getting at is that we have no one in state ranks that has racked up big numbers year after year with the main exception of DHuss and Rogers. The fringe players have a had a decent half-season here or there but nothing substantial sustained over time.

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 0:10 GMT)

@Jono Makim - I think Inverarity has pretty much said he is blooding Bailey & Forrest for Tests via the ODI side. Whether that is right or wrong, he is pepared to have risked our #1 ranking for it. I think that Cric Oz needed to be trying to slot in more A-tours, I thought the Zim tour last year was extremely productive. A tour of India could be invaluable too. @Gilly4ever - (from a test perspective) DHussey - yes, White - he's had opportunities, & hasn't looked good of late in FC matches, so no, Smith - a bit like White, but I think he needs another Shield summer, Christian - no, he needs another Shield summer, he has a FC ave of about 30, (about 7 below Forrest), MMarsh - give the kid some time - atm, no way, he barely averages 20 in FC cricket, a big yes for short forms as a bowling allrounder, Ferguson, I think he's great but his FC form is underwhelming, so a big nope, Birt - no, he has an ave LESS than Forrest, AB Mac - yes but as an allrounder @ #6 or #7, not on batting alone!

Posted by threeslipsandagully on (July 5, 2012, 0:03 GMT)

RandyOZ, remember what happened last time Phil "c Guptil b Martin" Hughes tore it up in England?

Posted by Carpathian on (July 4, 2012, 23:24 GMT)

Ponting was dropped from the ODI side because he wasn't performing and wasn't likely to improve. Likewise, Khawaja was the fall guy for Ponting's sharp decline as a Test batsman which was costing Australia dearly. Ponting should've have been dropped from the Test side as well, but the fact the selectors and former players treat him like a deity left him a protected species. That's telling how it is.

Posted by Mary_786 on (July 4, 2012, 23:23 GMT)

@whatawicket agree with you mate on Khawaja, he will be a batsman to watch out and the county experience this year will only make him better. He was shield batsman in 2010 and i think he will do it again this year. Forrest and Maddinson are also good talents and i hope they do well

Posted by Sunil_Batra on (July 4, 2012, 23:19 GMT)

I am predicting a big season from Khawaja in QLD, he could be the leading shield scorer as he was in 2010 and 09. Its good to see that the selectors have got him on the radar. Forrest is another player to keep an eye on.

Posted by Markus971 on (July 4, 2012, 23:14 GMT)

"Mark Cosgrove",where are "You"?

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 22:55 GMT)

Have to admit the team looks weak without Ponting and Hussey - if he still wants to play Ponting should be there really. Ditto Katich for the Test team, though I don't know what kind of form he is in nowadays.

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 4, 2012, 22:51 GMT)

Phil Hughes is absolutely tearing it up in England at the moment. 800+ runs next Ashes.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 22:51 GMT)

Bailey and Forrest have only played a handful of one dayers. They need a lot more time than that. And frankly, if nobody is busting down the door behind them, they should keep their spots until someone does.

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 4, 2012, 22:48 GMT)

@Gilly4ever is spot on, with the addition of Hughes and Khawaja to his list. The problem isn't our talent, the problem is the selectors who play favourites and refuse to pick them. What about Tom Cooper?

Posted by Smithy49 on (July 4, 2012, 22:43 GMT)

What about Ferguson? I think people should give him another go. His ODI average for AUS is 41. Aus really need him and Steve Smith

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

Australian selectors take a bow.. Dropping Katich was madness. Dropping Ponting was a mistake. Hughes should have started as a one-day player. Mismanagement of players has disrupted their careers and damaged the confidence of Australia's young players.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 22:17 GMT)

rob quiney, callum ferguson, why not change the order around, thats a start.

Posted by landl47 on (July 4, 2012, 22:06 GMT)

The first step in solving a problem is to admit you've got a problem. It's good to see that Inverarity is acknowledging that for the next few years Aus is going to struggle with its batting resources. All the list-makers here need to remember that putting names down on a list doesn't make them test class; when I see Callum Ferguson's name, I know the list-maker is just putting down everyone they can think of. Ferguson is 27 and has a first-class average of 35. Australia will of course have new young talent coming through, but not in the next couple of years. The one exception might be Hughes; he has been badly managed. He has talent, but a technical flaw. He should either have been kept in the side and coached through his problems or sent down until the problem was fixed. Neither happened; he was sent down and brought back with the flaw still firmly in place. The result: ct. Guptill, b. Martin. Hopefully when he is brought up again he'll be OK- Aus needs him.

Posted by Busie1979 on (July 4, 2012, 22:03 GMT)

Bailey and Forrest are way off the mark. Agree on D.Hussey. In fact, he should play in Ashes. The only others worth their salt are two retirees (Chris Rogers and Phil Jaques), Simon Katich (who doesn't get on with Clarke), Phil Hughes (who has technical issues to fix), Usman Khawaja (who has been mishandled by the selectors), and Joe Burns (who is about a season short, but looks the goods). Throw in Phil Neville (as keeper or batsman) and there is enough talent there, if they get picked.

Also - M.Hussey should open - they need experience at the top of the order.

In my mind, the test batting lineup should be, in order - 1. M.Hussey 2. Warner 3. Ponting 4. Clarke 5. D.Hussey 6. Watson. That's a pretty solid lineup if you ask me. But they need Mike up top.

Posted by Truemans_Ghost on (July 4, 2012, 21:59 GMT)

Great moral booster for the team "You are the best players Australia has- but we don't think you are very good!"

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (July 4, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

Mr Inverarity is Stating the obvious! Everyone can see how far Australia are behind England, how England's batting, bowling, fielding and fitness lays waste to Australia EVERY time they play. Why didn't he say this years ago? Does he remember the Ashes? That's right, all those innings' defeats? Next please.

Posted by fitzy99 on (July 4, 2012, 21:11 GMT)

Maybe not such a good idea to drop Ponting when you didn't have anyone to replace him at 3

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (July 4, 2012, 19:42 GMT)

@ Nadeem1976 (post on July 04 2012, 18:14 PM GMT): totally agree. What's the point in dropping older players that WANT to play, BEFORE you've even got suitable players to replace them with? Katich, Ponting...

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (July 4, 2012, 19:33 GMT)

Taj old boy when have "more than half the team" been non English or is it a figment of your imagination I tend to think it is.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 19:33 GMT)

Take a look at Joe Burns, got the right technique and attitude.

Posted by Hammond on (July 4, 2012, 19:11 GMT)

@front-foot-lunge I haven't seen or heard anyone gloating. Yet. We need to win one more ashes series before we can start doing that. But you mustn't be English, because you would know that the county sides aren't doing any "importing". In fact, you sound exactly like an Aussie named RandyOZ.

Posted by hhillbumper on (July 4, 2012, 19:09 GMT)

Get some south africans in

Posted by applethief on (July 4, 2012, 19:04 GMT)

Really feeling the lack of Mike Hussey; I get the feeling Mr Cricket's been quietly masking a lot of Australia's batting problems of late

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 18:49 GMT)

@Milky76 :"As long as England keep a good championship structure and keep producing good young players" lol ????? England producing good young players ??? When last did you get a good look at nationality of "ENGLAND'S" young Test players mate ???? More than half of the team are talents of a different country !!! Wake up and smell reality. No other test playing country does that or have that mentality.

Posted by Nadeem1976 on (July 4, 2012, 18:14 GMT)

I would pick ricky ponting over most of the current aussies batsmen in ODI cricket even if he is old. Dropping Ricky made no sense to me at all. Live and learn time for Australia now, if they play like this they will lost their #1 ranking after a decade. Dropping Ponting from this side was bad decision and Hussey is not playing.

Posted by PunchDrunkPunter on (July 4, 2012, 17:51 GMT)

When you think England have Morgan, Bopara, Hales, Taylor, Compton, Stokes, Hildreth etc. sitting in reserve. Scary depth. Forrest would struggle for a gig in the Devon Leagues!!!!

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 4, 2012, 17:46 GMT)

@FreddyForPrimeMinister, shame about colly's batting which was causing problems, and the fact that he was getting more and more injuries, didnt he just miss the best part of last season with a shoulder problem?

Posted by mikey76 on (July 4, 2012, 17:43 GMT)

How the worm has turned. Who'd have thought Australia would let their empire crumble like this. It's like the West Indies all over again. As long as England keep a good championship stucture and keep producing good young players then I think we can hold onto the ashes a while longer. Gilly4ever. Most of those guys you mention patently aren't test standard, especially Smith and McDonald. If they were test standard they would be playing. You're best chance is with the fast bowlers, but keeping them fit seems to be beyond you at the moment.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 17:40 GMT)

Whatever CA selects,there will be no one who can replace Gilly,Symonds,Warne,Mcgrath,Waugh bro's,Hayden..........Al r missed in every matches whenever Aussies players fails to produce match winning knocks.Now at present Austrailia is struggling to maintain NO 1 ODI position in English condition.Let

Posted by Trickstar on (July 4, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

As if everyone hasn't been saying this for the last couple of years, all you had to do is check out the averages of the guys coming into the side, they were appalling and not international standard. Look around the States, cupboard is well and truly bare, Ferguson's been mentioned buts he's had a terrible couple of years, White got dropped because he couldn't put bat on ball but has found a bit of form around the domestic scene, Khawaja doesn't look international class either.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 17:29 GMT)

Are you demented Inverarity? Your selection panel booted Ponting and Katich. Now you are saying resources are thin. Sack Hussey and Watson see if that makes it better. Katich was so right, you really should be given peanuts.

Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (July 4, 2012, 17:01 GMT)

What most learned cricket watchers note with this 'admission' from Inverarity, is that even with the stocks being so thin, this side drew away so SA, beat Sri Lanka away and beat Pakistan away. Albeit not convincingly, but more convincing that the draw the english scraped against Sri lanka and the 3-0 drubbing Pakistan handed to us.

In the ODI field, the're still ranked No 1 in the world.

So fellow English fans, who are quick to gloat, this side is still dangerous. Heaven help us when their resources start to improve!! We'll be back to importing even more South Africans into the side to prop up our ailing domestic system that simply doesn't produce near enough quality players.

Posted by Slobberdog on (July 4, 2012, 16:39 GMT)

Australia's batting stocks may well be thin, but Peter Forest in limited-overs cricket? He's as slow as a wet week. We're in an era where 80+ strike rates are almost a requirement. Forrest is languishing in the mid-60s; a Chris Tavare of our times.

Posted by MrArmchairCricket on (July 4, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

you're an old man John, but there are plenty of batsmen around... Quiney, Finch, Maddinson, Khawaja, Cooper, Klinger, Ferguson immediately spring to mind... but because of age, or state, they're never considered... Maddison will play tests though

Posted by Brumby90 on (July 4, 2012, 16:10 GMT)

This is nothing new. Australian batting has been very poor in standard for the last 2-3 years. And there is NOTHING coming through. Things will only get worse. It comes down to talent not being allowed a chance at first class level and the lack of international players now involved in state cricket. Not to forget the 20/20 which is killing off technique. The future in Australia is very bleak and things are only going to get worse over the next few years at least.

Posted by Selassie-I on (July 4, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

Even the head slector admits that there is not any up and comign talent in Australia, these are bad times. Comparing to all the other young talent in England, SA, India, Pakistan and so on... maybe we should hand their test match status to Ireland?

Posted by montys_muse on (July 4, 2012, 16:01 GMT)

Shaun Marsh has a better record on sub continent pitches than on Oz pitches. He scored a century on test debut in Sri Lanka, and he has been an exceptional performer in the IPL over the years.

Posted by whatawicket on (July 4, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

well it taken him along time to admit it. on this forum we have been saying that since the ashes in oz. at that time the English supporters were of the opinion of the team as a whole. i must admit i thought the bowling stocks were similar but to a certain extent that may not be the case. they have some good bowlers maybe just abit young but time will tell. in the years iv watched cricket iv never known an ex aus captain been retained after it has been taken from him or a player who is now 37 or his brother a year younger at 36, its never happened unless someone can tell me different. the cupboard is bare, with some of the guys mentioned are simply odis players. what they should do is get more of the better players playing CC not T20. hughes i fear is a lost cause, but the Pakistani born khawaja has a bit about him and i think hes here for the rest of the summer which should help him and select him for the next series and give him 10 games with no pressure on him

Posted by whitesXI on (July 4, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

How about Callum Ferguson or Cameron White? Finch, Quiney anyone? Lynn and Burns can't be more than 1 or 2 seasons away from recognition by selectors either. Honestly IMO Bailey and Forrest are far from clear front runners in the Aus batting department as are the replacements suggested above, Hughes I would agree with but I'd prefer to see him return after he's fully confident that he has finished reforming his technique

Posted by GLORY2INDIA on (July 4, 2012, 15:36 GMT)

no batting talent...Ii daresay hire some from India,,,we've got plenty to spare. atleast now Inverarity is honest regarding his batting potential and stocks for the next generation of OZ cricket..

Posted by 5wombats on (July 4, 2012, 15:31 GMT)

There you go. Been saying it for a couple of years. Australia's national selector says so. The resources are thin.

Posted by Nuwan_R on (July 4, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

This must be why you booted Ponting from the One-Day side.

Posted by blink182alex on (July 4, 2012, 15:20 GMT)

To be honest i'm not sure Forrest and Bailey can be considered the best one day batsmen other than the settled guys of Watson, Warner, Clarke and both Hussey's. I wouldn't forget about guys like Adam Voges, Cameron White, Callum Ferguson and Shaun Marsh, all these batsmen have performed at odi level. It seems as if they are worried about the test batting resources and picking the next test batsmen in the odi side to give them some international experience so that when M.Hussey and Ponting retire there isn't complete newbies replacing them.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 15:19 GMT)

has he never heard of these players?

Nic Maddinson Alex Doolen Steven Cazzulino Callum Ferguson Kurtis Patterson Peter Nevill Wade Townsend Chris Lynn Aiden Blizzard Tom Beaton Mitchell Marsh Moises Henriques James Faulkner Aaron Finch John Hastings Joe Burns

he also needs to show faith with: Phillip Hughes Usman Khawaja Steve Smith

Posted by FreddyForPrimeMinister on (July 4, 2012, 15:19 GMT)

Delighted to hear Inverarity talk of the nonsense of dropping players solely because of age. Ponting and Hussey are as fit as anyone in the Aussie team so as long as they're playing well enough, they should be considered as 27 year olds, not 37. The English media effectively forced Paul Collingwood to retire from Tests, blaming his age - yet he was still by some margin the fittest and best fielder in the team. Why force him to retire? If his form had dropped (which it had) then give him a break from the side, just as they did with Ian Bell a couple of years ago, or Eoin Morgan. Nobody suggested they should retire! Ageism is not only unfair but also damages the team. England are still looking to find a replacement for Collingwood over 12 months on. Stick with Ponting and Hussey as long as their performances justify it or their fitness becomes a problem.

Posted by Heisenburg on (July 4, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

Forrest, Bailey, Dussey, Marsh, Khawaja and Hughes are certainly our best batsmen outside the test team, excellent job selectors.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (July 4, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

David Hussey, Cameron White, Steve Smith, Dan Christian, Mitchell Marsh, Callum Ferguson, Travis Birt, Andrew McDonald - all are test quality but aren't being given a shot. Peter Forrest should not be in consideration. Forrest is not. The batting only looks thin because you picked someone who was so far away from being good enough.

Posted by Hammond on (July 4, 2012, 15:12 GMT)

Inverarity really is a "Rarity"- an Aussie prepared to tell it like it really is. Brad Hodge should be playing. He would still be better than everyone in the current team. If age isn't relevant then Hodge should come out of retirement and help his country.. he is only 38.

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 15:05 GMT)

can anybody tell me where on earth is adam voges...he has a 40+ first class nd list A average...nd looked gud in few chances he got for australia i gues he deserves few more chances...better than forrest in one day...clarke IMO shuld move to three...nd bring the likes of james hope back...

Posted by   on (July 4, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

Yes but what are you trying to do here, Invers? Win an ODI series or have some match practise before next years Ashes? Surely that's what the A tour is for? While Bailey and Forrest may be amongst the better bats outside the test xi, surely using international matches as trial games isn't quite the right way to go.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 4, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

Its a fair point that Inverartity makes, though one would normally use A-team tours to prepare the young players for different conditions, sadly Aus dont have the time or luxury to do that as Ponting and M Hussey are very close to the end of thier careers. I would expect Aus to be competative next year and very competative by the time of the 2015 ashes, as the Endlgand team will be in the process of being 'renewed' with Strauss and Swannhaving retired and KP being very close to retiring from test cricket.

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