Australia in England 2012 July 8, 2012

Australia have been 'bullied' - Arthur

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Shocked by the margin of Australia's ODI series defeat to England, the coach Mickey Arthur has challenged the tourists to stand up to the bullying they have received so far in the final match at Old Trafford on Tuesday. In a stinging assessment of the one-day side, Arthur said there had been "something missing" for Australia in the 50-over format since he took over as coach last November, and stated the team had been too submissive in allowing England to sail to a decisive 3-0 series lead - inflicting the first loss of the captain Michael Clarke's 15 months in charge - for the cost of just 11 wickets.

Arthur gave the touring team a stern post-match address following the eight-wicket hiding suffered at Chester-le-Street, and followed it up by airing his concerns in public. While he did not question his players' work-rate or desire to succeed, he was worried about the vast gap that had emerged between training displays and what they were then capable of in the middle. Arthur was at a loss to explain why the ODI team had battled over a period in which the Test side has gathered strength.

"I think our Test team is really good, it's really settled, it's got that hard edge. The Twenty20 team, we haven't really had that much time together, but the one-day team there's just that something missing," Arthur said. "I've said it all through our home summer, there's just something missing. I'm not sure what it is. Is it character, is it ambition? I'm not sure - there's just something clearly missing. I've challenged the players, I'll always be honest and I'll say it how it is. I'm really looking for a response.

"I want to see a bit of mongrel come Tuesday, I really do. I think we've been a bit submissive this whole series. We've allowed [ourselves] to be bullied, and we're better than that. I don't think we've had a presence this series. I'm talking absolute presence when batters are out there, like the presence our Test team had against India - when we walked on that field there was body language, we were strong, we were decisive, there was that presence.

"But we haven't had that presence in our one-day side. We didn't really get that presence in our one-day side through the international summer at home as well, and that's something we've been fiddling with, trying to get. We just don't seem to have the answers at the moment."

Since losing despite having the better of the conditions in the series opener at Lord's, Australia have laboured under the weight of their own expectations. With each match the margin of defeat has only grown, making many of the tourists' pre-series boasts look empty in the extreme. The most pointed of these was the prediction that England's batting was on the thin side due to the selection of five bowlers. Having highlighted Tim Bresnan's presence at No. 7 as a possible weakness, the tourists are yet to bowl at him.

"We're looking for the guy who's going to take responsibility and say 'I'm the champ', I want to change the momentum. We seem to be a little bit submissive"
Mickey Arthur

"When we won the toss in favourable conditions at Lord's, I thought we bowled well. I'm certainly not having a go at any of the bowlers. I thought we bowled well," Arthur said. "England just seemed to find a way though, you looked at the scoreboard and they were 0 for 60, it was bizarre. We felt as though we'd beaten the bat and were well on top, but you looked at the scoreboard and they were 0 for 60 in about the 18th over.

"I guess in both disciplines we haven't found that way, and that's disappointing and worrying me a bit to be honest. I'm searching, I'm looking for those answers, I'm looking for that mongrel, looking for that guy who's going to stand up and change the game. We're looking for the guy who's going to take responsibility and say 'I'm the champ', I want to change momentum in a game. We seem to be a little bit submissive - we haven't stood up and we haven't grasped an opportunity like England have.

"We've spoken at length that if we can get them three down we're towards Craig Kieswetter then we're into Bresnan. Well, we've seen Kieswetter bat once at Lord's and we haven't seen Bresnan bat yet. And yet our batters, who are world class, seem to be getting out and put under the pump. Again, hats off to England, they're outstanding, but they're only doing the basics well. Cricket's about basics - we've got to do the basics better, we've got to be nailing those basics. I want to see them nail the basics like we do in training. We don't do it in the middle, and that's my worry, that's what I'm looking for."

A fourth defeat at Old Trafford would all but guarantee Australia's loss of the world No. 1 ranking in the ODI format to the winner of the subsequent series between England and South Africa. The ceding of top spot would confirm the slide of the one-day team from the group of solid practitioners who held on to top spot through the years of decline experienced by the Test side, to the muddled team swept away by England in this series.

"We're a changing team as world No.1, and I'm not having a character assassination of our team at all," Arthur said. "I'm looking for answers that are going to strengthen our team and lift our team again. It's certainly not a character assassination of them. I know those guys are bursting a gut to go out and do well. For us as management it's about finding that balance between their talent and performance, but somehow they are just not transforming that. That is what is perplexing me."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 20:15 GMT

    @AKS286 on (July 11 2012, 15:01 PM GMT) As I have said before. Ashes and being number 1 in tests was rightly or wrongly Eng's top priority. Whether that is how it should be or not is a matter of opinion but that's how it was.

  • AKS286 on July 11, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    JG2704 on (July 11 2012, 10:59 AM GMT) being a no.1 test & ODI team is a endless fight. every team has to loose their first stop. it matters only how long you keep it but winning a WC is an opportunity which comes in 5 years and the battle between 14 teams of different caliber and strength. many legends retires but they don't have the honorable chance to hold the WC. WC is above to ashes and WC is not sandwiched between other series lies pre & post WC. Oz fans will never be agree to you because they won ashes & WC both and maintained their No1 spot from many past year.

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    @AKS286 - Yes ODIs and tests are unrelated but I'm sure most fans will agree that we prioritised the Ashes win of 10/11 and the India win to become number 1 in tests above the WC which was sandwiched inbetween. Personally I'd have loved to have seen us win an ODI WC but we were indifferent in that WC as we have been in ODIs in recent years.Somehow we are currently number 1 in 2 of the 3 formats and number 3 in the other one and current T20 WC champions. Obviously we could come out of the SA series losing our number 1 status in tests and relegated to 4 in the ODIs if it goes wrong. If (a big if) it somehow goes right we could come out of those series top of rankings in all 3 formats which would be number 1 in all 3 formats which would be amazing

  • AKS286 on July 11, 2012, 5:26 GMT

    @JG2704 i'm talking about the ODI's because INDIfan comment "eng has to win WC to call a no.1 odi side". as you say the priority is to become test no.1 is out of blue to this comment.

  • JG2704 on July 10, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    @AKS286 - England's prioities over the last few years would have been to win the last Ashes and become number 1 test side. These 2 things they have achieved. They said they wanted to become number 1 in all formats (which doesn't look as far fetched as it did 8 months or so ago) and I know they have said they wanted to bewcome a dominant test side. I'm pretty sure they'd also have loved to have won a WC but that's been and gone and I'm sure if they had the choice of being the official test number 1 side or winning an ODI WC they'd have chosen the former. And I read the Smith article and it does say that a tearful Vaughan quit after that series but it does not say or intimate that he quit captaincy because of that series results.That's just folk putting 2 and 2 together to make 5

  • TheBengalTiger on July 10, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    5wombatz- Why are you only looking at Indias ODI record away from home against Australia and England? why not consider the other matches India have played away fro nhome? Fact of the matter is, over the last decade, Indias record away from home is much better than Englands. Its just in the last year where India has fallen away.

  • AKS286 on July 10, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    @JG2704 so A/C to you different horses for different courses means priority OK. so ENGLAND priority is to be rank 1 in odis is above to win a WC. OMG what happen to you.and about vaughan retirement just read that column. "Smith is ready for toughest eng series"

  • 5wombats on July 10, 2012, 12:01 GMT

    @cricket_lover1969 on (July 10 2012, 09:08 AM GMT) You state; "I am waiting to see this English team in the sub continent". You've already seen them; lost 5-0 in india and won 4-0 in UAE. In ODI that's won 4 lost 5. What's your point, exactly? What was india's ODI record in England and Australia in the last 12 months?

  • on July 10, 2012, 11:16 GMT

    the is a lack of ricky ponting but he is retired According to the condition of team he must be back in team . hussey is also fit and fine player

  • big_al_81 on July 10, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    How delightful to be an England supporter at a point when the opposition is doing the soul-searching rather than us. I don't really understand why some folks on here are getting upset about other teams - I couldn't work out at all why Murali had come up! What a digression. I'm pretty sure the point originally being made by some is that,eventually, after losing so many genuinely great players, there comes a time when Australia aren't really that great any more. They're not bad, and England aren't great at ODIs either - they've just been better throughout the series. That reflects roughly where the teams are right now. I'm going to enjoy all this until the serious cricket starts when we'll have a big fight on our hands against the South Africans who are probably just as good as us...

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 20:15 GMT

    @AKS286 on (July 11 2012, 15:01 PM GMT) As I have said before. Ashes and being number 1 in tests was rightly or wrongly Eng's top priority. Whether that is how it should be or not is a matter of opinion but that's how it was.

  • AKS286 on July 11, 2012, 15:01 GMT

    JG2704 on (July 11 2012, 10:59 AM GMT) being a no.1 test & ODI team is a endless fight. every team has to loose their first stop. it matters only how long you keep it but winning a WC is an opportunity which comes in 5 years and the battle between 14 teams of different caliber and strength. many legends retires but they don't have the honorable chance to hold the WC. WC is above to ashes and WC is not sandwiched between other series lies pre & post WC. Oz fans will never be agree to you because they won ashes & WC both and maintained their No1 spot from many past year.

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    @AKS286 - Yes ODIs and tests are unrelated but I'm sure most fans will agree that we prioritised the Ashes win of 10/11 and the India win to become number 1 in tests above the WC which was sandwiched inbetween. Personally I'd have loved to have seen us win an ODI WC but we were indifferent in that WC as we have been in ODIs in recent years.Somehow we are currently number 1 in 2 of the 3 formats and number 3 in the other one and current T20 WC champions. Obviously we could come out of the SA series losing our number 1 status in tests and relegated to 4 in the ODIs if it goes wrong. If (a big if) it somehow goes right we could come out of those series top of rankings in all 3 formats which would be number 1 in all 3 formats which would be amazing

  • AKS286 on July 11, 2012, 5:26 GMT

    @JG2704 i'm talking about the ODI's because INDIfan comment "eng has to win WC to call a no.1 odi side". as you say the priority is to become test no.1 is out of blue to this comment.

  • JG2704 on July 10, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    @AKS286 - England's prioities over the last few years would have been to win the last Ashes and become number 1 test side. These 2 things they have achieved. They said they wanted to become number 1 in all formats (which doesn't look as far fetched as it did 8 months or so ago) and I know they have said they wanted to bewcome a dominant test side. I'm pretty sure they'd also have loved to have won a WC but that's been and gone and I'm sure if they had the choice of being the official test number 1 side or winning an ODI WC they'd have chosen the former. And I read the Smith article and it does say that a tearful Vaughan quit after that series but it does not say or intimate that he quit captaincy because of that series results.That's just folk putting 2 and 2 together to make 5

  • TheBengalTiger on July 10, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    5wombatz- Why are you only looking at Indias ODI record away from home against Australia and England? why not consider the other matches India have played away fro nhome? Fact of the matter is, over the last decade, Indias record away from home is much better than Englands. Its just in the last year where India has fallen away.

  • AKS286 on July 10, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    @JG2704 so A/C to you different horses for different courses means priority OK. so ENGLAND priority is to be rank 1 in odis is above to win a WC. OMG what happen to you.and about vaughan retirement just read that column. "Smith is ready for toughest eng series"

  • 5wombats on July 10, 2012, 12:01 GMT

    @cricket_lover1969 on (July 10 2012, 09:08 AM GMT) You state; "I am waiting to see this English team in the sub continent". You've already seen them; lost 5-0 in india and won 4-0 in UAE. In ODI that's won 4 lost 5. What's your point, exactly? What was india's ODI record in England and Australia in the last 12 months?

  • on July 10, 2012, 11:16 GMT

    the is a lack of ricky ponting but he is retired According to the condition of team he must be back in team . hussey is also fit and fine player

  • big_al_81 on July 10, 2012, 10:06 GMT

    How delightful to be an England supporter at a point when the opposition is doing the soul-searching rather than us. I don't really understand why some folks on here are getting upset about other teams - I couldn't work out at all why Murali had come up! What a digression. I'm pretty sure the point originally being made by some is that,eventually, after losing so many genuinely great players, there comes a time when Australia aren't really that great any more. They're not bad, and England aren't great at ODIs either - they've just been better throughout the series. That reflects roughly where the teams are right now. I'm going to enjoy all this until the serious cricket starts when we'll have a big fight on our hands against the South Africans who are probably just as good as us...

  • ooper_cut on July 10, 2012, 9:08 GMT

    I am waiting to see this English team in the sub continent.

  • ozwriter on July 10, 2012, 8:26 GMT

    curious timing my mickey arthur. handing further confidence to the opposition and rendering his own team to tatters. why is he abrogating his responsibility like this? do you really think, the losses having nothing to with you Mr Arthur?

  • JG2704 on July 10, 2012, 8:20 GMT

    @Meety - re White - I don't have an opinion either way re whether he should be selected again. And re Bell , I didn't think he should be recalled but fair play to the guy , he's so far done well. I think you have to judge each case on it's merits , based alot on current form. Was just saying that if he was recalled and failed there'd be plenty on here (prob inc those who campaigned for his recall) who would say why have they recalled this guy?

  • JG2704 on July 10, 2012, 8:20 GMT

    @AKS286 on (July 09 2012, 10:44 AM GMT) Do you actually know what "different horses for different courses" actually means ? No it is not horrible at all , it is merely to say that what is a priority for one country might not be such a priority for another country. How is that horrible or sour grapes? And yes remember that commentor and still say it was a load of rubbish. Anyone who has a chronic knee injury which physically restricts his ability is going to be a liability to the side. Why continue to make the injury worse and hampering your own and your teams performances , just so that a few people can't fictionalise about why he retired? Please publish - nothing the slightest offensive or untrue

  • bored_iam on July 10, 2012, 8:07 GMT

    @ZiggyMarley: Think the coach has no real role in a cricket setup. He is at best a man manager. Like its wrong to give John Buchanan credit for being coach of Australia's greatest team, its wrong to blame arthur for the lack of talent in the Australian lineup. What I'm surprised is that despite such incredible talent at the domestic level, there's such a sudden dearth of international-level quality! Why??

  • AsZa on July 10, 2012, 7:55 GMT

    every one talkin about batting line up, where is brad Hodge, Cameron white and klinger etc.....where are the bowlres? ryan harris, siddle. starc......i reckon this is like the 3rd string oz team.

  • 5wombats on July 10, 2012, 5:13 GMT

    @Gilly4ever on (July 09 2012, 02:23 AM GMT). Agreed - just read your post. Joking aside; "By treating this as a warm up to the test series they just dug themselves a huge grave and the series was lost as soon as they did that". England did the same thing for the ill-fated ODI series to india last October and were summarily dispatched. If ODI's are treated as limber-ups for Test cricket rather than genuine head-to-heads with the best players in that format then consequences are going to follow. As it happens, we think most England fans could see that in reality we did need to send some players to india for the experience of simply playing there. We also think that England having had that experience and the experiences in UAE and Sri Lanka (all formats) will turn out to be very useful for india again later this year. Whether or not this Australian experiment to England turns out useful to Australia in advance of the real cricket next year - we reserve judgement!

  • Meety on July 10, 2012, 4:50 GMT

    ps: I absolutely HATE the heading!

  • phoenixsteve on July 10, 2012, 4:34 GMT

    Well I'm off to bed shortly here in Arizona. But as a Brit I'll be sure to be up at 6am to watch England thrash the old enemy! Hope so anyhow.... Aussie fans shouldn't get too down on their team though? The guys are playing to the best of their current ability - trouble is they just aren't good enough! Being from a great sporting nation though, it's only a matter of time 'til they bounce back? It's what kangaroos do you know.... Hope they wait for the proper cricket (AKA The Ashes) before they find some talent/ability! In the meantime .... COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on July 10, 2012, 3:28 GMT

    Cameron White should be batting at 3 or 4 & Steve Smith in at 6 (maybe pinch hit up the order when required too). Doherty is not good enough, but between Clarke & Smith they have 10 overs a game covered.

  • Meety on July 10, 2012, 0:45 GMT

    @JG2704 - just on White re: "...another poster said that he had plenty of chances before and if he was picked and failed we'd all be saying why him again..." - IF, current England selectors had that mentality, Bell would not be in the current ODI side, & we would never had the 2nd comings of Anderson & Cook. I have been critical of White, not completely sure at all as to whether he should be in the ODI side, but his T20 form suggests to me he should be in the T20 squad, certainly ahead of Bailey.

  • RandyOZ on July 10, 2012, 0:12 GMT

    @Si Baker - everything you have said is absolutely spot on. I wish you were a selector. Arthur and CA are ruining Australian cricket and it's painful to watch.

  • RandyOZ on July 10, 2012, 0:09 GMT

    @hyclass - here here. I could not agree with you more. Plus add his support to the spray gun Johnson. And don't even get me started on Langer.......

  • Simoc on July 10, 2012, 0:03 GMT

    Oz have a couple of weaknesses at present. One's batting and the other bowling. While the batters have scored enough to give us a chance the bowlers can't get early wickets or wickets at all. That's all our best players, the flops, failures are at home. It doesn't matter though as it's the footy season here and only the Ashes count.

  • on July 9, 2012, 21:20 GMT

    What the Aussies are missing in ODI cricket right now can be summed up in two words: selectorial wisdom. The bases are all covered re captaincy, wicket-keeping (Wade might be having a difficult series, but he oozed class during his debut summer & will come again for sure), seam bowling & the two opening slots, but what in God's name Doherty is doing anywhere near an international ODI side when you have a spinning all-rounder of the class of Steve O'Keefe - who should've been a fixture in both the Test & ODI teams for the last two years - in reserve is a mystery. Ditto the middle-order: Bailey, Forrest & Smith are all one-dimensional journeymen. Why hasn't Phil Hughes been given a chance in this format? Ditto Khawaja & Mitchell Marsh? Why were Ferguson, Voges & White ditched so early despite consistently producing match-winning innings? As for Arthur himself: he'll turn out to be as disastrous for the Aussies as Ottis Gibson & Duncan Fletcher have been for the Windies & India.

  • hhillbumper on July 9, 2012, 19:02 GMT

    Talk is cheap which was shown by what the Aussies had to say before the series. This England team know they have to beat the Saffers and then beat India in India and then we can say they are a good team. The scarey thing is they are getting better and there is more talent to come through.

  • Kaze on July 9, 2012, 18:59 GMT

    Does Arthur actually know how he sounds when he says since he took over something is missing?

  • 5wombats on July 9, 2012, 17:27 GMT

    Just read it again. Did he say Aus batsmen were world class!? Why the QF exit in the World Cup then? What happened against South Africa? And what happened here in England? England are NOT a good ODI side! We never once claimed we had "world class" ODI batsmen. Where is Arthur's evidence that Aus batsmen are "world class"? For such a big claim there should be ample evidence - but none of us can see it.

  • JG2704 on July 9, 2012, 17:09 GMT

    @ ejsiddiqui on (July 09 2012, 10:43 AM GMT) - I'm not sure Aussies would taste a Greenwash. They won a series in SL which to me says they can adapt quicker/better to SC type conditions than Eng did. Pak played superbly vs England but England were absolutely woeful with the bat

  • 5wombats on July 9, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    You hear that glug... glug...glug!? Yes - that is the sound of Aussies chances disappearing down the plug hole. It was perfectly obvious 18 months ago that Australia were in disarray. We said at the time that the Aus batting was particularly disappointing. New guys have been tried, but not much has changed. This was just a little try out for those Aussies that haven't been here before - but when they come back next year and The Ashes gets under way and the losing begins again they'll look back to this Summer and think mmmm.. we've been here before.

  • mdiggity on July 9, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    @ OzMongrel, well said mate! We miss Punter more than ever. Not just his batting and aggressive nature, but his energy in the field. There seems to be no urgency in the field at the moment, especially with Punter and Huss missing!

  • Master01 on July 9, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    Its so embarrasing to see the Australians and English slag off Murali like this. McGrath took a lot of wickets in Australia, wickets that were designed to help fast bowlers. Does that mean we discount his record? No. Also, if subcontinent pitches are so easy for spinners, why was Warne slaughtered most of the times when he bowled at Tendulkar, regardless where they played? Credit has to be given when credits due, and Murai was a phenomenal spinner. End of.

  • AlbertEinstein on July 9, 2012, 14:37 GMT

    Mickey, the answer is simple, you thought whitewashing India meant that your team is balanced and on way to world domination, whereas in reality your team had just beaten a Bangladesh/Afghanistan type team........which proves nothing. So focus on quality opposition like England, South Africa and Pakistan and your players will learn a lot of skills from them.

  • NaniIndCri on July 9, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    Arthur must be ashamed for talking like this, after bringing a team that had no chance of winning. Forrest and Bailey in one team? Smith is the back up? Bringing Johnson back without proper practice? Doherty the best spinner you got? Wade at No.7? It's Ok to make one mistake or two but this whole team is a mistake. You want to know what is missing Mr.Arthur, Its good players and a good coach.

  • hyclass on July 9, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    I opposed the choice of Arthur for coach. He demonstrated a considerable lack of acumen in his public statements as WA coach during the CA interviewing period & has continued to be obtuse in the extreme. His public support of S. Marsh in the face of all statistical data was embarrassing.His insistence on Cummin's Test debut when the teenager suffered serious injury following the Shield final was myopic & has undoubtedly led to a string of further injuries.His stance that injuries were irrelevant & that he would bowl the fast men into the ground must already be haunting him. The use of Forrest at this level on such a short run of 1st Class form & in a format opposed by his record suggests an arrogant disregard for his opponents & his own players.His public rant suggests he has nothing of value to offer this team.He is still unable or unwilling to move past his own hype & see that the Tests were played against opposition in terrible form.England is the first genuine Test-& huge failure.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 9, 2012, 13:57 GMT

    @LeoE, but then again Warne had a legal delivery, Murali did not.

  • Master01 on July 9, 2012, 12:42 GMT

    I read Grahem Thorpe's book, and he mentions how the Austrlains, in his first game, were constantly swearing at him, telling him they were going to kill him, and all sorts of other stuff. I dont care if you want to play the game hard, thats jut unnaceptable. We all remember Glenn McGraths behaviour towards Sarwan etc, not to mention Merv Hughes. The new generation are behaving in the same way. Its disgusting

  • OzMongrel on July 9, 2012, 12:21 GMT

    So Mickey Arthur is looking for some mongrel. Maybe he should speak to the Cricket Australia Media Minders and ask them to stop the boys from being boys. Or even better - recall Ponting. The only way to replicate the winning feeling is to battle it out and win, and while many people believe that Punter had an easy road because of the superstars around him, who do you think led them and made them believe? Clarkie's tactical nous and handling of the field isn't bad, in fact it is very good, but sometimes you need a bit of steel - someone who tells the opposition to jam it up their jumper and does something to back it up. Ponting has always had the knack, as has Mike Hussey. The lack of both of them has been shown up, and while David Hussey and the captain have done their best, they need some help. Interestingly, this is the first time since the retirements of Warne and McGrath that the changes in the team have been rushed.

  • Fourworldcups on July 9, 2012, 12:08 GMT

    I wish Aurthur would just button it as far as talking to the media about this sort of thing and get on with what he was employed to do. In perspective, It's an inconsequential ODI series that Aus have used to experiment with in terms of the team composition. Granted it would have been good if a few of the top order put their claim on their place. Congrats to England, but this clearly was nowhere near the best team we could have sent over.

  • RandyOZ on July 9, 2012, 11:51 GMT

    @LeoE - how come Murali couldn't bowl one legal ball?

  • rockugal on July 9, 2012, 11:37 GMT

    shaun marsh, luke ronchy, aaron finch, travis bart, cameron white, jim maxwell, daniel christian, mitchel marsh, ryan harris, michael starc, nathan coulter-nile.........this eleven will beat the current bunch anywhere, anytime. ODI/T20 needs impact players. Ronchy is a far better ODI/T20 player than wade or paine but never got the chance.bailey and forrest in ODIs! Sorry the selectors must have been out of their mind while selecting the team. Its not that australia doesn't have the players. Drop forrest, bailey, smith, wade and take any four batsmen from my list and see the result!

  • jb633 on July 9, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    @Le0, no no no. Warne was so much better than Murali and this is coming from an Englis fan. Murali bowled the majority of his deliveries on tracks that were doctored by the groundsman to suit spinners. Murali was the best bowler SL had and there only means of winning games. Therefore it was usually up to Murali to take all the wickets, and if ever there was a new batsman in Murali would get 1st digs at him. In the great Aus side, Warne had to bowl on wickets that would not turn for 3 days, and had the seamers liek Mcgrath, Gillepie and Lee to take the wickets also. I do think Murali is good, but Warne was the champion. And Mickey Arthur, there is one thing missing from this side: Ability. Witout talent there you will spend an eternity blaming the coach, captain and selectors but in reality Aus are just a rubbish side now. No point beatng around the bush.

  • on July 9, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    Hey LeoE! One word.. CHUCKER!! Murali took more wickets against minnow sides and he played twice as many home matches that Shane Warne ever did. Pretty hard for Warne to take 500 ODI wickets from only 194 ODI games! And he was competing against other legendary wicket takers in his own team to bowl out the opposition! And Leg Spin is a far more difficult art to master!

    As to this pathetic performance from the current one day team against England. Want my opinion its Karma for not letting Ponting retire on his own terms. Am I the only one who remembers his unbeaten 75 for his return to Tasmania! And guess what he batted at 5! What Australia promote him to opener and then he has to take over the Captaincy for the Injured Clarke! He sacrificed his career to help the team!

  • on July 9, 2012, 11:09 GMT

    Dropping Ponting is not a wise decision and now it reflects in terms of result. I am sure Ponting would have played gem of an innings in these circumstances... Bring back PONTING.. else u will loose ur No 1 ranking for ever. I am sure he will decide his retirement on his own... few cents from me. Cheers

  • AKS286 on July 9, 2012, 11:05 GMT

    @JG2704 remember one commentator who is writting all the time that "smith is responsible for vaughan's retirement and he gave up his captaincy"- we called him a joke, premature comment but its true buddy just read the column "smith is ready for toughest eng series"

  • on July 9, 2012, 10:57 GMT

    i know what is missing,they are missing the aggression on the field their being too nice on the field.They need tips on this by Steve Waugh or Alan Border both were very good at this an look at their records as captain regardless who is in their team at the time.Look back in 1985 Border went to England an played nice an lost the ashes,went back in 1989 played aggressively an won the ashes all the time as captain.Both Taylor then S Waugh after him captained aggressively,Ponting had the aggression but lost it an he has used the excuse of not having experience in the team anymore.M Clarke is too nice of a bloke an won't i repeat WON'T drop any players for poor form look at B Haddin he wants him back in the game in all formats an M Johnson he has not done anything in bout 3 years an he is still saying he is a match winner offering wisdem around the group the coaching staff do this.Okay i said my bit but read this an think back at what i said an comment if i'm right

  • Thron on July 9, 2012, 10:50 GMT

    REAL BULLIES ARE BULLIED AT LAST! VERY GOOD.

  • whatawicket on July 9, 2012, 10:45 GMT

    its not the english way for an official or player to go out, before a series/game to criticize. in all the years iv watched cricket, not sure what possible advantage they think they get. i heard the then SA coach with his surprise, that england had not selected their leg spinner from yorkshire to play against them so maybe its Arthur who thinks thats the way to go.

  • AKS286 on July 9, 2012, 10:44 GMT

    @JG2704 when read your comment that different courses for different horses. its a horrible. i comment on that but cricinfo did't publish it. on that comment your comment reflects grapes are sour.

  • ejsiddiqui on July 9, 2012, 10:43 GMT

    I am disappointed that we (Pak) don't have Test series in UAE with Aussies. Otherwise, they would have to taste what England has tasted. A Greenwash.

  • Orsoncarte on July 9, 2012, 10:37 GMT

    @Herbert. Well said. As an Aussie I am heartily sick of hearing them mouth off about the opposition before a ball has been bowled, and then fail miserably to deliver when it comes to the crunch. This Australian side lacks the talent of the England side, but far worse than that, they lack discipline both in their behaviour and in their ability to carry out the basics of cricket.

  • dsig3 on July 9, 2012, 10:26 GMT

    Just have to do better. You dont become rubbish overnight, the boys are in a serious form slump at the moment. No need to ring changes, these guys have to succeed.

  • Orsoncarte on July 9, 2012, 10:02 GMT

    When my dog proved to be difficult to train I used an electric collar, with which I could give him a little electric "nip" each time he transgressed. It worked really well. Perhaps the Aus bowling attack should be fitted with electric collars at net sessions. Bowl a no-ball? "NIP". Bowl short and wide outside the off stump? "NIP". Maybe then they will start to perform the basic fundamentals of seam bowling.

  • indoorminer on July 9, 2012, 9:57 GMT

    I totally agree with TommytuckerSaffa. I can't see the point in this series at all. The Aussies are coming here next year anyway, and their arrival should feel special. SA are a great team and any bout between two heavyweights should definitely be a 5 test series. There's more room for ebbs and flows, more chance of a series becoming something special. As it is, regardless of who wins, there will be a feeling that the series is just getting going and then it'll all be over. One can only conclude that, as is happening more and more, cricket is coming second to commerce. As for the Aussies ODI's - their pace bowlers haven't done badly and have been unlucky at times. McKay looks good in Eng conditions. The batsmen are a different matter, though Hussey was excellent the other day. Even so I don't think too much can be read into how easily Eng beat them in the 4th ODI. Eng won an important toss and then 2 Aussie bowlers got injured and couldn't bowl. It was one of those games.

  • Herbet on July 9, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    Being aggresive is no substitute for skill. England are not beating Australia because they are 'fronting up'. We open our batting with Bell and Cook, who are pussy cats, and Anderson and Finn are hardly Merv Hughes either. They are just very good. The only player we have who is a 'mongrel' at times is Broad, and when he does that he just bangs it in short and ends up going round the park. Australia should work on their skills, not their snarls.

  • Aussie_nrz on July 9, 2012, 9:38 GMT

    Australia can be far better ODI side if they can utilize their resources i.e. selecting ODI specialists. These names are for ODI side and please don't compare them with their test match records or form. The players name are arranged according to their preferences for selection in playing 11 i.e. highly probable at first. Batsmen: M. Clarke, M. Hussey, D. Warner, D. Hussey, G. Bailey,C. White, S. Marsh All rounders: S. Watson, M. Marsh, D. Christain, S. Smith Wicket Keepers: M. Wade, T. Paine Bowlers: C. McKay, R. Harris, M. Starc, P. Cummins, B. Lee, M. Johnson Spinners: X. Doherty, S. O'Keefe, N. Lyon

  • LeoE on July 9, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    Mark Thompson says Warne is the best bowler that ever lived. How come he could not take a test wicket once every 55 balls ? But Murali did. How come Warne could not take a wicket without conceding 25 runs ? But Murali did. Warne could not not take 800 test wickets ? But Murali did. How come Warne could not take 500 ODI wickets ? But Murali did. I can go on. The truth is that if Murali had Mcgrath . Gillespie, Kasprowich and Lee at the other end to apply pressure, and the bounce of Aussie wickets and massive scores of 500 and 400 plus put up by your own batsman, enabling him to bowl with four fielders round the bat, Murali would have got a thousand test wickets. Even though he was under constant scrutiny thoughout his career he excelled and Shane Warne's performance was bettered ball for ball and wicket for wicket. Any child can appreciate that Murali was far more successful than Warne, supported by standards set and records that will stand for 200 years .

  • on July 9, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Simple expalnation Mickey : bullies got bullied.

  • PutMarshyOn on July 9, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    @Dr.Vindaloo: Too right. Eng are a better side. It hurts, but it is so.

  • Paul_Rampley on July 9, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    Agree with J3456, The batting is a litte weak for us and will be good if players such as Khawaja and Maddinson make shield runs so they can strengthen it up. Khawaja is currently playing 20 20 cricket for Derby which is not his favored format but can't wait for him to get some runs in the longer format for Derby in County cricket.

  • on July 9, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    Hahaha...BULLIED...!! Super Shoot

  • Guernica on July 9, 2012, 9:26 GMT

    It's telling that the four Aus players who made double-figures on Saturday were also the four players aged over thirty. Maybe it is time for Brett Lee to retire but Aus are going to miss his batting as much as anything. It seems he is always required to come in and biff a quick 20 or 30 these days. They are missing Mike Hussey too, obviously, but they are going to have get used to that sooner or later.

  • Master01 on July 9, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    I think al this proves is that every team is great in their own conditions. No matter what team it is, as soon as they step out of the familier they are performing poorly.

  • Aussie_nrz on July 9, 2012, 9:17 GMT

    The best Australian ODI squad we can currently have: Batsmen: D. Warner, M. Clarke (Cap), M. Hussey, D. Hussey, G. Bailey, C. White All-rounders: S. Watson, D. Christain Wicket Keeper: M. Wade Bowlers: R. Harris, C. McKay, M. Starc, P. Cummins, B. Lee, M. Johnson Spinner: X. Doherty, N. Lyon

    ODI Lineup: 1. D. Warner, 2. S. Watson, 3. M. Wade, 4. M. Clarke, 5. G. Bailey / C. White, 6. M. Hussey, 7. D. Hussey, 8. R. Harris,9. C. McKay, 10. M. Starc, 11. P. Cummins / X. Doherty

  • on July 9, 2012, 8:50 GMT

    Sorry Folks its England time to reign supreme , It was West Indies then Australia then for a short period India but now its England and perhaps later it will be South Africa . I wish the English team all the best

  • BifferSpice on July 9, 2012, 8:44 GMT

    brilliant: "Having highlighted Tim Bresnan's presence at No. 7 as a possible weakness, the tourists are yet to bowl at him. " *snort*

  • TommytuckerSaffa on July 9, 2012, 8:33 GMT

    Australia used to be SAs biggest opponents, my oh my how things have changed. What happend to these guys, they used to be almost indestructable. I do however think the 5 match series was totally pointless and we couldve had a 5 TEST series Eng vs SA instead.

  • Dr.Vindaloo on July 9, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    Aus and South African coaches always put too much emphasis on psychological factors. Aus can sledge and snarl all they want but the fact is that they are technically much weaker than England and no amount of chest-puffing can disguise that. If Mickey Arthur thinks that the difference between the two teams is 'fight' then he's deluded.

  • on July 9, 2012, 8:31 GMT

    let bring callum ferguson and cosgrove

  • sportofpain on July 9, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    @oldpunk:Couldn't agree more. Why isn't Ponting in the side - not one of these batters can hold a candle to him and the poor guy is twiddling his thumbs while these guys are out representing their country. It is a SHAME and indicates that the selectors and administartion are absolutely clueless. Quality always, always matters. Hey if the guy is 50 years old but good enough to hold his place he should be in the side. There should not be an old person tax and a young person subsidy

  • Qudhar on July 9, 2012, 8:24 GMT

    im hurt my aussie aint playing well at all.

  • JG2704 on July 9, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    The one thing I will say about the Australian selections is that they seem to have no real forward plan or at least they keep chopping and changing it. They don't seem to know whether to pick the best side for now or build for the future and they seem to be stuck between 2 trains of thought. I've not seen much of Khawaja (many peoples choice as a shoe in) but I've not notice him do anything exceptional for Derbyshire. There are Aus players doing well over here and Starc to me fits the bill of young and good for the ODI side. All the others have played for Aus before and C White is a name that gets mentioned often but another poster said that he had plenty of chances before and if he was picked and failed we'd all be saying why him again. It's sods law that guys like Hughes are doing well in Eng and even Ed Cowan did well in a T20 game the other day

  • JG2704 on July 9, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    @SRB1709 on (July 09 2012, 03:55 AM GMT) I notice you haven't got Mckay in the side despite him being head and shoulders above any bowler on this tour. Also think Warner is still pretty good in this format and on his day can win a game single handedly . Mike Hussey has been a huge loss on this tour and he might well have made a big enough difference to at least have won 1 of the matches so far

  • JG2704 on July 9, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    @rahulcricket007 on (July 09 2012, 01:55 AM GMT) Aus have already played SA in SA and drew the test series (coming back from the disaster test where they were all out for 47 to chase 308 down to draw the series) and won the ODI series there too. I thought a stats guru like yourself would remember that. Quite amazing how you dredge up all these stats from yesteryear on certain situations but then forget what happened in more recent events. BTW , Aus will do better than Eng in UAE .

  • on July 9, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    The one day side is missing something? It's called Michael Hussey.

  • JG2704 on July 9, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    @Mervo on (July 08 2012, 20:45 PM GMT) No , they actually won 4-0 in this format @mikey76 on (July 08 2012, 22:10 PM GMT) Re tests - the 1st one wasn't close - we almost lost by an inns

  • JG2704 on July 9, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    @AKS286 on (July 09 2012, 05:00 AM GMT) Ponting had much better tools to work with. Clarke has done really well as captain. If anything Clarke's captaincy is one of the main reasons why SA are still on a par with Eng and SA. You say in a previous post "Oz team lost its mojo and fighting spirit under the clarke's captaincy" - What evidence do you have of that? Clarke took over as captain from Pointing towards the end of the last Ashes series (damage already done) and has not lost a series in tests or ODIs up til this one. A team which levels a 2 match series chasing 308 to win a test (draw a series) against a bowling attack who bowled them out for less than 50 in the previous match showed plenty of fighting spirit.

  • Buckers410 on July 9, 2012, 7:57 GMT

    I agree with sri2001 and his opinion, but the question for you is, who would replace these guys, johnson, bailey and forrest are not up to the international standards. But who can replace these guys, who is good enough. I would say S Smith would be. He needs to bat higher and not come in when the team needs slogger. That's not how he plays. D Christian can hit, where is he. He would be second after Smith. Where is Hughes, if we give guys like Bailey a go why not give Hughes a run, he might go well. Give him as many chances as we give Johnson or Bailey. I would still consider A Voges, A Finch, R Quiney, S O'Keefe, J Hazlewood, J Bird, M Cosgrove, C Ferguson, M Klinger, N Coulter-Nile, J Herrick, M Starc, M Marsh, M North (had a great season opening in one dayers for WA), P Siddle, A McDermott and others better than half the Aussie team ATM. Why not use these guys. BTW where is Mike Hussey when you need him. BUT NO CAMERON WHITE is a hasbeen, treat him like they treated Ponting.

  • on July 9, 2012, 7:56 GMT

    never ever imagined that Australia will be thrashed like this.......this proves that England are a very good ODI side now........last year India did give some fight in the ODIs against England in England...gave England some real scary moments......but its been a total dismal show by Australia.....no competition at all......hope to see a better show from Aus in the last ODI !! .....an Indian Fan

  • umairasgharbutt on July 9, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    every story has its end !!

  • Chetan007 on July 9, 2012, 6:57 GMT

    Clark should take the responsibility for the defeat along with the coach. He should have drop Warner from the side and bring Wade as a opener. He himself should have come at no. 3. followed by Forrest, Hussey and Bailey. Then come Steven Smith( since he can bat better than Dohetry and can score quick at the end. He can also be handy with the ball). Someone might argue that Bailey needs time to settle before he score some quicks but I had no option with present squad. Anyway if he come at no. 6, and Hussey batting the other side. He can rotate the innings. Also if the wickets fell down early he should be promoted up the order to hold the innings. Now come Bret Lee followed by Mckey, Hilfenhaus and Starc.This is the team I had selected from the present squad. It will be great to see White in the squad.

  • suruz9 on July 9, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    the problem is peter forrest, bailey and the middle order...mike hussey , daniel christian or cameroon white is badly missed..bt for the future i think aussie nid to find another ponting, mike hussey, they may hab quality bowler bt their batting is their big worry...and also the spin department is so much of worry for australia..........

  • YorkshirePudding on July 9, 2012, 6:50 GMT

    I dont see why CA or the selectors should be shellshocked at the loss of great players, most of who hung up thier bats and gloves 4-6 years ago. The problem with Australia is that they lack experience. One thing that I always admired about Aus was that they rotated new players into the squads such that we only saw maybe one new batsman and/or bowler a series (injury excepting). There is also the mythical Aura that aus had 10 years ago that contributed to teams failing, bowl Aus out for sub 250 and teams batting second wondered what demons where in the pitch which then helped aus win by distracting the team. The same used to go for McGrath and Warne naming thier Bunnies of the series before it had even started.

  • Meety on July 9, 2012, 6:49 GMT

    @Heisenburg - re: Bailey, well said. I did not rate Bailey at all prior to his elevation to the ODI side - still don't think he should be in the T20 side (let alone as Captain), but I have seen enuff of him to think he has a chance of being a handy ODI batsmen & potentially a good test batsmen. Not sure he is a #3 in ODIs though. @Gilly4ever - I am interested in giving White another go. ATM though, all his form has been in T20, where pretty much in all situations there is only one gear. This has been White's problem in ODIs, he doesn't seem to move thru the gears properly. I would have White lead the T20 side to SL. == == == I did not want Arthur as coach of Oz, & whilst I didn't like much of what he said in this article, blaming him alone for the series loss is misdirected. He is just one of 4 & there would have to be a consensus to pick players like Bailey, Smith & Forrest (&MJ). For the record, I think Arthur has done a par job thus far, but with signs of faltering.

  • priceless1 on July 9, 2012, 6:48 GMT

    when Clint McKay becomes the best bowler of the team then you know you have a serious problem in your bowling department

  • LALITHKURUWITA on July 9, 2012, 6:34 GMT

    Black Caps are playing better cricket than Aussies in West Indies although they lost.

  • on July 9, 2012, 6:21 GMT

    Come on ausies where your's fighting sprite is gone, fan of ausies from PAK

  • on July 9, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    apart from dan christian there are few batsmen left behind in australia obviously george bailey does not even have a great batting record and steve smith has failed quite a lot over teh years...i think coulter and siddle should be in teh team alongwith alongwith the quicks u need a solid journeyman and doherty should have been preferred and told to bowl upto the batsmen...i think wade and forrest need proper encouragement and the number three spot could many say only be filled by clarke himself...i find it difficult to understand a coach who cannot understand his players failings and to work on them...a coach's major job is strategy...seeing his players are fit and noticing what they are doing wrong...it is not only phsycology all teh time

  • Aussie_Cricket on July 9, 2012, 6:18 GMT

    Australia have lost their mongrel since monkeygate at the SGC years ago. The press slaughtered them (rightly or wrongly) over how they went about their sledging and gamesmanship tactics at the time.

    Since then they seem to have gone very P.C. It's not necessarily something that you can put your finger on, however they appear to be much more timid in their approach. It comes out both in the way they play and the way they apply pressure to other teams.

  • on July 9, 2012, 5:53 GMT

    Personally I think the australian team and governing bodies are still shell shocked at losing so many top, outstanding players all in one go. You cant go from a team housing the likes of gilchrist, hayden, langer, ponting, warnie, mcGrath etc. in their day any one of these players could win a match, to a inexperienced team learning how to compete at the top level. I believe there is too much pressure to perform at the level the old school players did.Warne is the best bowler that ever lived, Gilchrist is the best ODI opening attack batsmen that ever graced the game. I can go on, point being less of the ego and more knuckle down and get to grass roots. BTW I'm English and have enjoyed aussie cricket for years, don't panic mr mainwaring is the saying.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 9, 2012, 5:48 GMT

    No more excuses are left, they've all run out. England are streets ahead and have been for years. On skill levels, fitness and ability. Oh dear Australia.

  • Valavan on July 9, 2012, 5:31 GMT

    @rahulcricket007, what difference is SA going to pose, Australia won the ODI series and drew the test series in SA not long ago, Winning ENGLAND is ENGLAND is yardstick and required.cricinfo please publish.

  • on July 9, 2012, 5:26 GMT

    I think the fact that the one day team is in decline is apparent to anyone following the game. Obviously Arthur has a different view and I agree with some of the posts that the the team looks more like a test side .I do agree that players like White are out of favour but at least he has a greater chance of coming good in the one dayers than Forrest. I think as another of the posts rightly put it, the selectors had half a mind on next year"s ashes and that is showing in the muddled team. Even Christian might have done better in English conditions where the ball moves around and hopefully he would have bowled better at the death. If anything some of the players got a look at English conditions and hopefully be in better shape for next year"s Ashes. I think England have already played for a long time this season and are in peak touch while Australia are struggling and really they do not deserve the no 1 status, It would be a travesty to continue to be no 1 when the team is so dodgy, sri

  • din7 on July 9, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    so much talk. but i just can't understand why khwaja is not selected in the team. The guy has got amazing talent and composure and a very good techique. ignoring him has cost them dearly. yes, he might take time but he's best of all young aus batsman....leave that forest and bailey and oh ya....steven smith...i don't know why he's picked...he's ok in t20 but thats it! he's not for int cricket. Bring back PONTING till u find suitable replacement he's ur best bat and plz give wade more overs to play.. do this and aus tem will suceed

  • AKS286 on July 9, 2012, 5:00 GMT

    change the captain, then everything will be going fine. clarke divided the team, punter unite the team.

  • sri2001 on July 9, 2012, 4:59 GMT

    First of all many congrajulations for Eng winning the odi series. Australia made a mistake of selecting Forest, George Bailey who don't belong to international arena. Bret Lee should be dropped and Johnson is another disappointment. Also Clarke cannot raise the tempo, as Ponting did in his prime. Cameroon White should be given another chance.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on July 9, 2012, 4:49 GMT

    Before the start of this ODI series everybody knows that POMS are very good in every department and Aussies got problems in Batting & Bowling. But none of Eng players, management, or coaches criticized Aussies. But Watson jumped in and said ENG No 7 batting is a problem.

  • Rahul_78 on July 9, 2012, 4:43 GMT

    The circle of life has completed a full cycle for OZ. We really have to pinch ourselves to notice that OZ coach is speaking in public about his boys being bullied. The boot is on the other foot for the big bad boys of cricketing world. The POMs have been relentless and ruthless in their execution and haven't taken their foot of the throats of the opposition. What OZ has sorely missed is test class batsmen in Hussey and Punter. With 2 new balls in seaming and swinging conditions against the bowlers of caliber of Anderson, Finn and Broad the Baileys and Forests have been ruthlessly exposed. Agreed that Waughs and Haydens are not born everyday but OZ needs to find the batsmen who can survive and score in tough conditions be it seam and swing of England or heat, dust and spin of subcontinent.

  • Oldpunk on July 9, 2012, 4:43 GMT

    Talent is what is missing. Can any Oz batsmen in the top 6 put his hand up and say " I am a better ODI batsmen than Ricky Ponting and deserve my spot ahead of him". Who would you ask to bat for your life - Ponting - or Bailey, Forrest, Warner, Watson. The selectors need to keep things simple. PICK THE BEST PLAYERS ON MERIT FOR THE NEXT GAME. Lets stop all the spin and BS - I am sick of hearing "transition", "development", "X-factor","energy", " good to have him around the group learning and bonding", "good recce for the Ashes". Just pick the best 11 we have. I am happy to lose with our best 11 -- but it is torture losing with players that shouldn't be there.

  • pranab708 on July 9, 2012, 4:36 GMT

    There reasons for Australia poor show is pretty obvious. I don't understand why Arthur is so surprised. Apart from a smart captain and a few good fast bowlers, they don't have anything special in their one day squad. The biggest problem is the lower middle order. In fact the entire middle order is hollow, if you leave out Michael Clarke, who obviously bats with this in mind and hence the extra pressure. Michael Hussey is deeply missed. And it doesn't need any more repeating that after the retirement of Warne, McGill and Hogg, their spin cupboard is completely empty. I don't think they should be so sure of their test batting lineup also. There again if you remove the aging stars Ponting & Hussey, there is nobody apart from Clarke. And we will see the results in the subsequent Test series. The way I see it Australia's problem is pretty simple: they haven't found enough quality young batsmen to take over the mantle from the old ones. However the solution might not be as simple.

  • thalalara on July 9, 2012, 4:26 GMT

    The ODI or Test has become predictable these days since defeating a host country especially the top 5 Teams England, SA, India, Srilanka & Australia in their home grounds has become difficult for any tourists team ( exception last Ashes in Australia). England lost to Pak 3-0 in Dubai, Pakistan struggling in Srilanka, windies were badly defeated in England, NZ having horrible time in the hands of Gayle & co. Arthur should actually need not bother much, because gone are those days of Individual excellence aussies had 3 to 4 years back. Lets accept the reality.

  • on July 9, 2012, 4:15 GMT

    What in the world is Justin Langer doing with this side??? I observed last game that Warner's stance is now upright meaning he has no chance of going forward to drive full balls (give he already had a short stride)! No wonder he played all around Finn. Langer's presence has co-incided with this dramatic fall in batting skills and I can't believe he is still holding his job after the Argus review. Sack this guy and the team will already be 50% better! And also think about selecting your best XI - Forrest and Bailey are certainly not in it.

  • on July 9, 2012, 4:13 GMT

    They are getting their batting order wrong everytime.. Need to give some more chances to White, callum Ferguson, Shaun Marsh.. James Hopes is still a better allrounder than Steve Smith.. They shouldnt ignore these guys like Hodge, Bracken and others...

  • on July 9, 2012, 4:08 GMT

    I know what it is. They are just not good enough to beat any of the good teams now. West Indies should have won the last series.

  • bantersaurus on July 9, 2012, 3:58 GMT

    I find it funny reading all of the comments from some of you people on here @rahulcricket007 - We drew the series 1-1 in South Africa not long ago. @NAP73 - Don't know what your talking about there, we have the strongest first class system in the world it is just taking more time than it should than this to recover losing the players we did at once, money is no issue, only issue is losing players to AFL because they have more of a chance to make it there. @Gilly4ever - Mitch Marsh injured, Cam White couldn't score a first class run but agree with you in part with Christian but no a better all-rounder than Watson and only have room for 1. @skkh I think you'll find if Ponting wanted to prolong his international career and stay fresh he needed to drop a format and I'm glad it was ODI because I want to see a man on a mission next year bringing home the ashes. @micgyver - County cricket and international are 2 different things, Some blokes play county come here and struggle at club level.

  • NAZMO-CRICKFANN on July 9, 2012, 3:57 GMT

    WELL ITS ABOUT TIME AND I ENJOY EVERY MOMENT OF IT.... DO IT AGAIN ENGLAND

  • SRB1709 on July 9, 2012, 3:55 GMT

    There's no need to jump the gun - Australia'll be just fine. They'll need to learn from these losses. Right now, the focus should be to fill up two slots (that have been vacant for long) - a spinner (a real tweaker, not part-timer) !@ #7....in addition to the medium pace all-rounder Watson, and a strong batsman to be groomed for the crucial #3 spot - much in the same league as say, Kallis, Trott, Ponting......They need to do away with Warner though, who seems to be a rare lottery ticket....My team for the WC2015 would be: 1. Waston 2. Wade (wk) 3. (Yet to be filled in) 4. Mike Hussey 5. Clarke (C) 6. David Hussey 7. (Yet to be filled in) 8. Pattinson 9. Cummins 10. Siddle 11. Doherty......Yes, and Siddle needs to be there in the team for sure!!

  • jasonpete on July 9, 2012, 3:45 GMT

    I don't understand why forest and bailey is playing..? Haddin looked way better than wade as well in the previous series.Please bring haddin if his personal issues are solved.And looking at forest ,he is not an international standard.Bring Cameron white and Shaun marsh ,they are more reliable and age is also more or less same like forest and bailey.Selectors picking wrong team,can't believe apart from hussey and Clarke ,no one has the fighting spirit.Oh boy I am really missing Ponting and m.hussey.I don't know what's going to happen to our team once they announce retirement.sad and scary to think.Please win the last odi.good luck

  • Humdingers on July 9, 2012, 3:35 GMT

    The Test side is balanced? It's almost a similar makeup to this squad! Can't see the test squad doing anything differently. The recent wins at home have only papered over the deeper cracks (READ: Batting). Suddenly, India getting smashed 4-0 doesn't look so bad does it? At least they were able to pay England back with and equally humiliating drubbing! Can't see the Aussies doing that.

  • Micgyver on July 9, 2012, 2:55 GMT

    Firstly,Australia have taken too many players over there for a 5 match ODI series.Despite the injuries there are plenty of Aussies playing in County cricket who have adjusted to the conditions better then anyone in the squad.Secondly,players like Warner and Watson have not stepped up.In fact since Watson has come back into the team, he has produced nothing.What really bugs me though is his tough talk in the media.If you cant back it up(like Macgrath,Warne or Ponting),you shouldnt be saying anything.Thirdly,and i hate to say it, but Englands players are a step above,especially the batsmen and they should be credited with making Australia look 2nd rate.However if people think the Ashes next year will be a similar result,they are kidding themselves.

  • skkh on July 9, 2012, 2:39 GMT

    Funny Arthur speaks of trying to keep the No:1 position in the ODI's. Sorry mate our team does not deserve that slot anymore. Our team is an embarrassment. Do you not think that the sacking of Ricky was premature despite the fact that he has lost his old sheen? Do you really think Forrest or Bailey is the replacement? Ricky is still our best bat and not the likes of Watson, Warner or Clarke. Get in Hughes, Shaun Marsh, Khawaja, Mitch Marsh and young blood and invest in the future.

  • Ozcricketwriter on July 9, 2012, 2:23 GMT

    They went to this tour picking players for the future. They picked Forrest and Bailey not because they were the two best batsmen but because they hoped that they could prove themselves for the upcoming test series. They picked Steve Smith because he was in good form, but he too was undoubtedly picked with test selection in mind. They criminally ignored both Dan Christian and Mitchell Marsh, two players who could have made the world of difference, presumably because they aren't currently in test contention. Why ignore Cameron White? Because they persisted with him for so long while he was failing and they don't trust that his current run of amazing form is genuine. These 3 should have been in the side ahead of Forrest, Bailey and Smith. Do that, and then you have a starting point where you can hope to win the series. By treating this as a warm up to the test series they just dug themselves a huge grave and the series was lost as soon as they did that.

  • NAP73 on July 9, 2012, 2:22 GMT

    Australia needs to face up to the fact that their sporting golden age is over, not just in cricket. For a small population base with diminishing government assistance (which is the right approach as there are more important things in life), Australia has had a fantastic return on investment for a long time. The world has started to catch up with its professionalism however, so expectations need to be more realistic in future. Besides, you can always fall back on great domestic events like the rugby league state of origin (a great sporting event).

  • RoJayao on July 9, 2012, 2:05 GMT

    I wouldn't call it bullying but certainly there's been no spark in the Aussies. Mind you it's hard having any "x factor" picking types like Bailey, Forrest and Doherty, and stuffing around Wade in the batting order, completely confusing him about his role.

  • rahulcricket007 on July 9, 2012, 1:55 GMT

    ARTHUR IT IS ONLY YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT AUS IS A GOOD TEST TEAM . YEAH I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE SEVENTH SKY AFTER BEATING INDIA BY 4-0 . BY THE WAY ANY TEAM CAN BEAT INDIA IN TESTS NOWADAYS . REAL TEST WILL BE AGAINST SA , ENG , PAK . THEN WE WILL SEE HOW GOOD AUS TEAM HAS BECOME , OR IT WILL BE ANOTHER HAMMERING LIKE 47 ALL OUT , 88 ALL OUT , 98 ALL OUT .

  • Heisenburg on July 9, 2012, 1:54 GMT

    I don't know why Bailey is getting bashed alot here, he is one of out better batsmen in the team, and could be a good test player.

  • zdrgn on July 9, 2012, 1:47 GMT

    i think australia misses mike hussey in middle order. in middle overs, run does not come that much. hussey is an excellent player who can work balls through gaps and keeps run rate up.

  • D-Ascendant on July 9, 2012, 1:46 GMT

    The difference is Siddle?

  • bobagorof on July 9, 2012, 1:40 GMT

    Australia has been unable to play decent swing bowling for a long time - it first came to light spectacularly in the 2005 Ashes series. As for the bowlers, we'll see if Starc and Hilfenhaus might have any impact in the last match.

  • jmcilhinney on July 9, 2012, 1:40 GMT

    @Mervo on (July 08 2012, 20:45 PM GMT), England did indeed bat very negatively against Pakistan in the Test series and the paid a hefty price for it. They looked a different team in the ODI series and reversed the scoreline and they have continued that ODI form since. They did continue batting the same way in the first Test in SL and the result went the same way. They looked to start making a change in the second innings of that first game and looked a significantly better team playing positively in the second Test. I'm hopeful that that is an indication that England have turned a corner batting the subcontinent. Maybe Australia are being overly cautious against the moving ball and batting more positively would help. Of course, if they start swinging and nicking to the slips then they'll be criticised just as much for that. The bowling has also lacked penetration, which is only partially mitigated by the injuries.

  • bantersaurus on July 9, 2012, 1:26 GMT

    Too many knee-jerk reactions from the weekend. Australia did exceptionally well to reach 200 under those conditions, every talks of how good Bell looked but I can assure you all that wouldn't have been the case if him and Cook came out at 11 o'clock when the clouds were out and the wicket was juicy. In saying that I'm amazed they even got a game underway with the amount of rain they had the day before. You could see the look on Clarke's face when that coin landed that it it was a massive toss to win. I personally wouldn't be getting too carried away with this series. There is still a lot of cricket to be played between now and the next Ashes and both teams will host what I think is the most exciting attack in the next 6 months. Test cricket could not be healthier to the nations that care about it

  • bantersaurus on July 9, 2012, 1:21 GMT

    @Baldo1 You lost 3-0 in Pakistan and and drew 1-1 in Sri Lanka and bullied a 2nd rate India and West Indies on home turf so I wouldn't be getting too carried away especially with South Africa coming then your off to India with an already horrid record in the sub-continent. Pull your head out of the grass pal. Before you went to SL and drew we went there and won. and then we went to South Africa and drew 1-1 and apart from the bad 1 or 2 days against New Zealand we have played some pretty good cricket.

  • Kingtal on July 9, 2012, 1:09 GMT

    Sure there is a home advantage - thats part of the the game - but lets face facts - England's bowling is just superb at the moment. They are hitting the right areas ball after ball with pace and movement, with a beautifully balanced attack. Add that to a batting line that is really solid (Trott has to be one of the best players going around anywhere at the moment) And I say that as an Aussie...Shame they are such a bunch of chokers when they leave their green shores... ;-)

  • Gary_the_Pom on July 9, 2012, 1:09 GMT

    Mervo, go get a massage mate. Those shoulders of yours are really bittered and twisted.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on July 9, 2012, 0:38 GMT

    Aussies were saying that their A team can beat any Test team in the world. Where are those A team players?

  • landl47 on July 9, 2012, 0:33 GMT

    "I think our Test team is really good, it's really settled, it's got that hard edge." Mickey, the last Ashes series was 3-1 to England, all three England wins by an innings, and England had scores of 513-1, 620-5, 517 and 644. That's in Australia! Seriously, why do you think the Aussie test team is better now than then? Your top 3 are Cowan, average 29, Warner, average 42 and dropping fast, and Watson, average 37. Your middle order has two 37-year olds and no-one who even looks like an adequate replacement. You still think Haddin can play W/K. Your bowling, which was thought to be your strong area, has just been taken apart by England. Your team might have a 'hard edge' against the West Indies, but you couldn't beat NZ at home. It's saying stuff like this that is going to prevent you from improving. Your test batting is in disarray and the bowling, while there is some promise, is years away from being top-class.Get real and face up to it and you have a chance. Otherwise....

  • phermon on July 9, 2012, 0:30 GMT

    Long leg, I like your comment but you could probably have stopped after saying "There is a lot of rubbish being talked..." I don't know what it is but more rubbish gets hung out about cricket than just about any other human activity. And the interesting thing is that, from my experience, if you go to the cricket with friends you talk about everything but cricket. It's the people who don't go that talk so much drivel. Agree anyone???

  • Winsome on July 9, 2012, 0:29 GMT

    There's no shame in being beaten by a better team and England at home are certainly a far and away better team than Aus but I'm inclined to agree with him about the ODI's team's lack of spirit not just in this series.They somehow seem to give in to and fail to exert pressure a lot now. This series is just pointing that up. It was noticeable with some of the batting efforts at the World Cup. I have felt watching the team for the past 2 years that every single player is playing for his place every game. Stopping the trash talk in the press before series might be a start, it just sounds laughable.

  • on July 9, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    Who's choice was it to select Arthur as coach. Look out at the world cup, the Aussies may choke and Langer knows nothing about One Day batting because he was a former test opener.

  • Lmaotsetung on July 9, 2012, 0:14 GMT

    The difference between England having a very good winter season and a bad one was 1) Failure to chase a modest target of 145 in UAE and 2) two Monty Panesar drop catches of Mahela Jayawardena in Sri Lanka. That's how small the difference was. Take away the first test against Pakistan in the UAE, England were always in with a chance to win in every matches they played this winter. I can't wait for October to get here. I'm looking forward to the India tour more than the coming SA series to be honest. Much more satisfying to shut up 1 billion people than a handful of saffers :-)

  • on July 8, 2012, 23:46 GMT

    No decent spinner and batting that struggles against disciplined line and length.

    I hope the Aussies are looking back at the tapes of the past games and taking note of what the English team did.

  • SanjivAwesome on July 8, 2012, 23:28 GMT

    Mickey's concerns are difficult to accept - other than that they are an outburst of emotion not assessment of facts. It is not Australia being bullied at all. English are using home ground advantage and home grown pitches to maximum impact. In the modern game of cricket, it is now fast emerging that the home team will have always have 2 extra players - the home pitch and conditions.

  • on July 8, 2012, 23:24 GMT

    Wow, what an awful Australian team; spineless and clueless. Ponting and Katich should be playing. Clarke is small-minded and over-rated.

  • Vilander on July 8, 2012, 22:49 GMT

    India was demolished by both these teams in tests at home, but india competed better in ODIs. Aus seem to struggle so much against Eng, Comeone ausies you are being bullied by poms :)

  • on July 8, 2012, 22:24 GMT

    @scc08 so Philanderer will dismantle england in these conditions? I would be more worried about what Anderson, broad and Finn will do to your own batsmen.

  • Long-Leg on July 8, 2012, 22:16 GMT

    There is a lot of rubbish being talked about aggression and submissiveness. Surely you have to adapt your game to the conditions. If Australia had tried to bat more aggressively on Saturday they would probably have been all out for under 100. I think South Africa will have more success. Most of their players have lots of experience of English county cricket anyway so it will be like playing at home for them. Should be a better series anyway.

  • mikey76 on July 8, 2012, 22:10 GMT

    Mervo, all three tests in the UAE were close fought affairs that could have gone either way so we weren't exactly submissive. The last time you could truly say an England side was submissive was the back end of the 06/07 ashes. Thankfully those days are long gone.

  • Long-Leg on July 8, 2012, 22:08 GMT

    @Mervo: England lost the tests 0 - 3 in Pakistan, but then bounced back in the ODI series to win 4 - 0. It was a crazy tour!

  • Baldo1 on July 8, 2012, 22:01 GMT

    'There's something missing, there's something missing' Mickey - it's called TALENT. Australia have still not recognised how far they have fallen. No country could have handled the loss of the legends of the game they have in the last decade - Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Hayden (on flat wickets) etc. But with the likes of Forrest, Doherty, Bailey (who is he by the way) and a player who must surely be a popstar not a cricketer by the name of 'Daniel Christian', they will continue to be spanked by England for a v long time. Only an Australian (Bill Lawrie) can say 'we have the best fast bowling attack in the world' with a straight face. They lost the ashes with Siddle, Hilfenhaus and Johnson twice. Guess who is coming over again next year? Yes the very same county standard bowling attack. Plus a club spinner. Add to that the fact that as soon as the ball swings or seams, Australian batsmen stare at the pitch as if it just isn't fair. 2013 ashes England win by 4-0 or 5-0 I promise you

  • yorkslanka on July 8, 2012, 21:32 GMT

    i was at the match on sat and it was thoroughly one sided..England can only play the opposition thats in front of them, BUT this was a really poor Aussie team..Bell looked like he had all the time in the world to bat when the Aus quicks were on and none of the Eng batsmen looked at all troubled..the Saffers will be a proper test for England...

  • on July 8, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Australia and its Coach just cannot accept the fact that the Aussies are not way ahead in this time of world cricket . The Mighty West Indies fell after holding the number one spot for 15 years and at present they are "struggling" to make a come back . Its your turn Australia , others will rise as you fall .Now we will have good TEST matches and not one sided games . Its all good for the spectators and the game in whole .

  • johntycodes on July 8, 2012, 20:59 GMT

    I'll tell the coach what is wrong. Make some tough calls at selection. Brett lee should have been axed 2 years ago. He still concedes too many extras and has a terrible economy in that period. Also he is nowhere near in our future plans. So the aussie batters have been getting out cheaply, well if they are going to go out anyway why not start batting like they are playing one day cricket instead of test matches. Smash at the start of the innings. How simple is it.

  • Cricketfan101 on July 8, 2012, 20:54 GMT

    Mckay has been the stand out performer in the team and the rest of the over hyped bowlers like johnson and lee have failed

  • Mervo on July 8, 2012, 20:45 GMT

    I don't know. England were submissive against Pakistan. Weren't they whitewashed?

  • Afkham on July 8, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Along e bating Australian bowling was also below par . I think they need an able bowling coach like Waqar Younis to guid them as the likes of Cummins and Pattison and Starc are raw talent and need skillful grooming by a great like Waqar

  • voma on July 8, 2012, 20:35 GMT

    Have England been brilliant , or even good ? . Or Australia , have they simply not turned up . I think its pretty obvious that this has been a total nightmare for the Aussie managment , totally blown away . No young talent emerging and even the experienced players look like there on the downward slope .

  • Naresh28 on July 8, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    The English juggernaut continues. They demolished India and now its Oz. They seem more organized and have the arsenel. Next they will meet SA. At home they are lions.

  • i_witnessed_2011 on July 8, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    I think the missing part is "the Oz way"!!! . I mean the "Oz Aggressiveness" (Sometime it was called "arrogance"). It was surprised to see no body took on England. I agree Aus players do not have the class of players of old time but they have really lost the old character. Only Lee showed aggressiveness. May it is something to do with captain. I agree Clarke is intelligent but for ODI I dont think he s the man to lead. Watson or Warner would be the better choice.

  • SDHM on July 8, 2012, 19:46 GMT

    SCC08 - I'm not so sure. He was fairly underwhelming at Somerset - he took wickets, but mainly tail-enders and he was expensive with the new ball quite often. His is a style of bowling that's never really gone out of fashion in England because of conditions - virtually every county has a bowler like Philander. That's certainly not to say he isn't a class bowler - you don't average 19 in FC cricket not being one! - but if any side is well placed to counter him, it's England.

  • Riderstorm on July 8, 2012, 19:14 GMT

    I never ever imagined that a day would come where Australia will be bullied on the cricket field. I guess the statement, what goes around comes around is true after all. England at the moment are on the ascent and doing it at a pretty amazing speed too. They do have the arsenal to extend this dominance onto other test playing nations even on overseas tours which they haven't nailed it yet. Australia, in my opinion are neglecting the players with right tempermant, case of ferguson and hauritz (who although didn't perform exceptionally but had the attitude necessary).

  • on July 8, 2012, 19:09 GMT

    Sir Mr Arthur it is simple the problem is,Finn,Bresnan,Broad etc,etc, Australia has only two batsmen Watson and Clarke what do you expect,in hindsight you wont say it I will Pointing would be better than Bailey, forest etc (yawn) as a w indies fan I am fedup with boards, , selectors, coaches overreaching their importance,the team is going to win because of them. They are all picking teams for the future to detriment of the present, In contrast England plays their best present players.

  • Cricket7861 on July 8, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    To be honest Australia haven't been that good in ODIs recently.. Despite winning the Tri series with India and Sri Lanka they didn't really prove that they are the best ODI team right now and in some of the games against Sri Lanka they were really dominated in all parts of the game!!

  • jackiethepen on July 8, 2012, 18:50 GMT

    Spot on Clive_Dunn! How about England are actually a better side? At the Durham Riverside we thrashed them with ball and bat. It was 70 runs on the board again courtesy of Cook and Bell. How did that happen? Well, they batted skillfully against the moving ball. Australia didn't. Not really that difficult to fathom. When Cook got out, Trott came in, when Bell got out, Bopara came in. Only 2 wickets down!! Never mind not getting to No 7. We've had a wet summer so all the runs have come against the moving ball. Arthur hasn't prepared his side for the inevitable. Just like England were underprepared for spin against Pakistan. Wake up coach.

  • on July 8, 2012, 18:31 GMT

    this is beginning of the fall.Things seems to clear out day by day.They are certainly missing mr cricket also i see lack of spin beauty in the line up.

  • phoenixsteve on July 8, 2012, 18:09 GMT

    Fact is that England are playing very good cricket at present and the Aussies not so. They have been unlucky with injuries but there's no excuse for being outclassed. They just have to stand tall, look us in the eye and concede defeat. There's no shame in it and I expect the Aussies have a lot more to come? COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • maddy20 on July 8, 2012, 18:05 GMT

    @Mohana They miss a lot more like Hayden, Gilchrist, Gillespie, Bichel, Symonds etc.,

  • AKS286 on July 8, 2012, 17:52 GMT

    Oz team lost its mojo and fighting spirit under the clarke's captaincy. clarke divided the team. clarke wants respect from senior players but he did't get it. young players respect him but how to win they don't know. guys like lyon is the favourite of clarke because of very early comment "ponting don't know how to manage & utilize spinners, warne is the captain of himself".he knows how to impress skipper. players like voges, klinger, roger, birt, ferguson, cosgrove, mcdonald has to wait because clarke's favourite are different. Arthur's favours beer and arthur comment was beer is better than lyon if we provide more matches. everyone knows forrest is a good test batsman not as good in Odi and pattinson good in test not in odi. warner, watson (c), birt, clarke, voges, paine, hussey/mcdonald, johnson, mckay, copeland, beer.

  • ChobeMonster on July 8, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    If Arthur doesn't know what the problem is perhaps Australia should find itself another coach. Mitchell Johnson is the worst pace bowler I have seen for a long time. He might be quick, but he has no radar. The others are military medium seamers with no brains.

    Oz has been outplayed by a good England team in conditions that did not favour Australia, but which better Australian teams would have coped with.

    As for England, we are a good - but not great - one day team who will be horribly exposed in unfamiliar conditions such as India.

    Arthur was a poor coach of SA and he will be a poor coach of Oz. If I were an Ozzie (thankfully I'm not) I would be very worried about my cricket team.

  • on July 8, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    Bring back Ponting to ODI and make Watson captain.

  • Aspraso on July 8, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    All this Oz talk about replicating the English with a near similar Test and ODI teams can only mean the return of Ponting to the ODI side -- remember he was only not selected for the ODIs and he has not retired from ODI. Michael Hussey ofcourse naturally rejoins the ODI team after this tour. Picking Johnson for his "also bats well" logic has to be dismantled.

  • SCC08 on July 8, 2012, 17:08 GMT

    Wait for Steyn / Morkel / Philander before commenting that England are unstoppable at home. Philander will rip them apart in these current conditions.

  • glance_to_leg on July 8, 2012, 17:07 GMT

    The Australians must not panic. They are missing the older Hussey, and their two most experienced bowlers were crocked in this last match. They also had by far the worse of the conditions. I don't think this is a particularly good Australian team, but I dislike the sharp criticisms coming from Australian supporters and the Australian press. England are a very good team at present. As for Oz: MacKay looks a genuinely good bowler. It is really unfortunate that Cummins had to fly home early. Australia still have enormous potential. They need a captain with a bit of mongrel about him (think back to the great Alan Border when Australia were in the doldrums); they need a to find a decent spinner and stick with him. They need to nurture youth but not overlook experience (I would always be glad to have both Hussey brothers in my team). If the press get off their back, they will come good again, but it may take five years. Patience, alas, seems not to be an Australian virtue.

  • yocasi on July 8, 2012, 16:55 GMT

    Let's face it, folks. England are near unstoppable at home. Australia's travails put West Indies' recent defeat against England into perspective.

  • whatawicket on July 8, 2012, 16:46 GMT

    maybe at old trafford the aussies will do what we once did, in always winning a dead rubber. i hope not.

  • gloriouscricket on July 8, 2012, 16:40 GMT

    England is clinical in their execution of the game; Their batmen are showing that it is not necessary to strike each ball out of the park, concentrate on strike rotation, get some 4, the 6 will come along. Bowl a good steady length, make the batsman go for the ball, then attack the wicket; In other words cricket fundamentals. With all their big hitters WINDIES were missing out on these small but vital things.Run your first run fast, it increases the chances of turning 1s into 2s. I,m looking forward to seeing you play the Windies again,We will be a stronger team. A winning team.

  • del_ on July 8, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    Berate the team for sure - but also take some responsibility for opening with Warner and Watson, playing Smith as a specialist batsman (or at all) and playing Johnson at all. The test team is solid because there has been solid selections based on performance - this can't be said for the ODI team at all.

  • Clive_Dunn on July 8, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    I really don't understand what Arthur is trying to say here, is he saying he has no clue how to fix the problems or that he's done a good job and the players are bottling it on the field ? Either way, its a pretty strange message to be giving out after a meaningless ODI series in which their batters have appeared technically flawed against a swinging / seaming ball and bowlers inexperienced in English conditions. I'd be looking to fix those issues ahead of finding a mongrel, a quick trip to Battersea dogs home would sort that out.

  • SCC08 on July 8, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    Micky, you're in need if your old team members... South Africa!

  • Badgerofdoom on July 8, 2012, 16:32 GMT

    "there's just something missing. I'm not sure what it is." That's got to be right up there among the most worrying things a coach can say, if he does not know what the problem is hows he going to fix it?

  • RandyOZ on July 8, 2012, 16:32 GMT

    Arthur you haven't helped with your favouritism towards Johnson and introduction of the choke. Arthur and Langer to be dumped immediately.

  • on July 8, 2012, 16:30 GMT

    The thing that's missing, Mickey Arthur, is Michael Clarke's backbone. He never plays an innings when vitally needed - not EVER. I have watched his whole career and never seen him even once play an innings when vitally needed : he leaves it up to others. Even where he slots himself into the order is telling in the extreme, he lacks responsibility as a person, he should have been number 3 ages ago but he doesnt like that sort of pressure on him. He lacks spine, simply.

  • DSummerin on July 8, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    This is just the debacle for Kangaroos. After Windies, Kiwis, Banglas eroded it's their time. I just pray Pakistan can create a whitewash in UAE series.

  • on July 8, 2012, 16:23 GMT

    captain Michael Clarke's is of no use...they really miss pointing captaincy....clarke can never match ponting in any terms...this is the start of aussies towards downside they look like any ordinary team now...they should play more matches with bangladesh...zim..kenya

  • mohanan on July 8, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    It's amazing how fortunes change. Five years back Australia were dominating the world. They clearly miss McGrath and Warne...

  • maddy20 on July 8, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    Yeah RandyOZ talk nah! hahaha :D

  • wnwn on July 8, 2012, 16:15 GMT

    Mike Hussey's absence is massive for Australia. He gets them to good scores when they are struggling and excellent scores when they are going well. He also knows how to chase down any total.

  • ozwriter on July 8, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    and the test team is hardly 'settled'. australia played a lack lustre indian team in our home conditions. the current indian team is so useless, even WI would beat them. australia will lament mickey's arrival long after he departs.

  • ZiggyMarley on July 8, 2012, 16:08 GMT

    Mickey Arthur is a pretty mediocre coach. Also, Peter Forrest and George Bailey are not good enough for an Australian team. Not even close.

  • Brumby90 on July 8, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    The problem is this team is lacks any fight and has a defeatist attitude. Totally Un-Australian. For some reason, thy walk out believing they are going to lose. maybe it's the shadow of the past 15 years. But this English team would rate as average at best yet the Aussies act like they are one of the greatest of all time. If you have a losing mind set then you will lose. You should ALWAYS believe you are the best. Not the opposition.

  • Heisenburg on July 8, 2012, 15:45 GMT

    What we're missing is a strong batting order, we're missing Mike Hussey obviously, also Forrest, I like the guy and he could be a reserve test player, but he is not suited to ODI's, Smith is weak too, we also have a bad spinner, also Brett Lee, I love he guy, and he's one of my favourite cricketers, but it's time to retire, sorry bud, there are younger bowlers, just as good as him that can take his place.

  • Master01 on July 8, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    Or how about focus on the cicket? Australia needs to stop with this aggression rubbish, swearing at the opposition isnt acceptable. Thats why Ricky Ponting, no matter hot great a cricketer he is, will never command the respect that the Tendulkars, Dravids, Kallis's etc do. Australia shoul dbe punished everytime they behave this way

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  • Master01 on July 8, 2012, 15:37 GMT

    Or how about focus on the cicket? Australia needs to stop with this aggression rubbish, swearing at the opposition isnt acceptable. Thats why Ricky Ponting, no matter hot great a cricketer he is, will never command the respect that the Tendulkars, Dravids, Kallis's etc do. Australia shoul dbe punished everytime they behave this way

  • Heisenburg on July 8, 2012, 15:45 GMT

    What we're missing is a strong batting order, we're missing Mike Hussey obviously, also Forrest, I like the guy and he could be a reserve test player, but he is not suited to ODI's, Smith is weak too, we also have a bad spinner, also Brett Lee, I love he guy, and he's one of my favourite cricketers, but it's time to retire, sorry bud, there are younger bowlers, just as good as him that can take his place.

  • Brumby90 on July 8, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    The problem is this team is lacks any fight and has a defeatist attitude. Totally Un-Australian. For some reason, thy walk out believing they are going to lose. maybe it's the shadow of the past 15 years. But this English team would rate as average at best yet the Aussies act like they are one of the greatest of all time. If you have a losing mind set then you will lose. You should ALWAYS believe you are the best. Not the opposition.

  • ZiggyMarley on July 8, 2012, 16:08 GMT

    Mickey Arthur is a pretty mediocre coach. Also, Peter Forrest and George Bailey are not good enough for an Australian team. Not even close.

  • ozwriter on July 8, 2012, 16:11 GMT

    and the test team is hardly 'settled'. australia played a lack lustre indian team in our home conditions. the current indian team is so useless, even WI would beat them. australia will lament mickey's arrival long after he departs.

  • wnwn on July 8, 2012, 16:15 GMT

    Mike Hussey's absence is massive for Australia. He gets them to good scores when they are struggling and excellent scores when they are going well. He also knows how to chase down any total.

  • maddy20 on July 8, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    Yeah RandyOZ talk nah! hahaha :D

  • mohanan on July 8, 2012, 16:18 GMT

    It's amazing how fortunes change. Five years back Australia were dominating the world. They clearly miss McGrath and Warne...

  • on July 8, 2012, 16:23 GMT

    captain Michael Clarke's is of no use...they really miss pointing captaincy....clarke can never match ponting in any terms...this is the start of aussies towards downside they look like any ordinary team now...they should play more matches with bangladesh...zim..kenya

  • DSummerin on July 8, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    This is just the debacle for Kangaroos. After Windies, Kiwis, Banglas eroded it's their time. I just pray Pakistan can create a whitewash in UAE series.