England v Australia, NatWest Series, Old Trafford July 10, 2012

Bopara stars as England make it 4-0

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England 138 for 3 (Cook 58, Bopara 52*) beat Australia 145 for 7 (Bailey 46*, Bopara 2-8) by seven wickets (D/L method)
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Australia's coach, Mickey Arthur, had called for more mongrel but the Australian attack dog managed only a growl or two as England ruthlessly completed a 4-0 victory in a NatWest Series that remained in their control until the last. Australia remain top of the ICC one-day rankings solely because of the abandoned match at Edgbaston, spared by Pommie rain.

England were set 146 for victory in 32 overs, a target reduced to 138 in 29 as rain tumbled for the last time from churlish Lancashire skies. There was potential for it to be awkward as Australia took two quick wickets, but Alastair Cook, looking more and more like a one-day captain of status, and Ravi Bopara, in one of his most bullish innings in an England shirt, timed England's seven-wicket victory with 11 balls to spare with aplomb.

Cook fell with 12 runs needed, caught at slip off Ben Hilfenhaus for 58, but Bopara, his Essex colleague, saw things though. He has good reason to remember this series fondly. He finished as the second-highest run-scorer behind Ian Bell, strutting his stuff for England like he rarely has before, and has probably secured a batting place on the first Test ahead of Eoin Morgan and Jonny Bairstow on the strength of it.

Bopara had fun with the ball, too. His loosener strangled Steve Smith down the leg side and David Hussey edged another routine delivery to the wicketkeeper. If this weather keeps up, he can fiddle through a few overs as England's fifth bowler against South Africa.

Australia will want to forget this series by the morning. They have been not as much out of season as overpowered by England's high-class pace attack in challenging conditions. It was their heaviest defeat suffered by Australia in a limited-overs series.

They will console themselves that it has been a tour with no significance, a tour devised by administrators during misguided diplomatic tit for tat. But Michael Clarke, Australia's captain, sought no excuses: "It was a wake-up call for the team," he said. "England were class. A lot of our team have not faced an attack like that in one-day cricket."

The public have turned out in defiance of abysmal weather, and England have rewarded them with committed, powerful cricket, but not before time, a proper series, against South Africa, awaits. They have beaten Australia in a one-day series with conventional cricket and that will help convince them they can carry this form into the longer game.

There have been more beautiful visions than the one that met England and Australia at the end of this series. The skies glowered in various shades of Manchester grey, a colour now so popular that it has swept the nation, and an extensive rebuilding scheme had left parts of the ground covered in scaffolding.

Only the façade of the old pavilion remains. Walk behind it at the moment and it looks like a theatre prop except with more rubble. It could be excellent when it is finished, but it is not finished and a capacity crowd, having endured afternoon rain, suffered the privations of a half-finished stadium in the belief that a brave new world will have dawned by the time the Ashes Test returns a year's hence.

It was 13 degrees in Manchester, colder than Christmas Day apparently, and Australia looked ready for the tour to end. David Warner, at the start, and George Bailey in the final throes of a laboured Australian innings, batted gamely. Bailey salvaged something from 86 for 6, finishing unbeaten on 46 from 41 balls as 25 came off the last two overs.

However, James Tredwell was another England player with cause to regard the match as invaluable. Graeme Swann, England's premier offspinner, exudes the confidence of a chat show host; Tredwell, his experienced Kent replacement, displays a meekness that Swann presumably tossed aside soon after birth, along with his first baby rattle.

Be that as it may, Tredwell proved a more than capable replacement for his more outgoing colleague. He finished with 2 for 23 in seven overs and was involved in one of two England run outs as their ground fielding again achieved standards that in this series their catching has not matched.

Samit Patel redeemed himself for an earlier dropped catch with a sharp throw to Tredwell at the bowler's end as Peter Forrest failed to hustle a second run to long on. Clarke, again looking to up the tempo, sought a desperate single in to the off side and was comfortably run out by Morgan's direct hit.

Such has been the praise lavished upon England for their rise to No 1 in the Test and T20 rankings, allied to the suspicion that an identical standing in ODIs might not be far behind, that a slight deterioration in their catching standards has largely passed unrecorded.

James Anderson, the local favourite; the otherwise impressive Tredwell, who before his wickets would probably go down as the man least recognised; and Patel, who found himself playing the unwanted role of the fielding buffoon, dropped three catches between them in consecutive overs.

Wade was dropped off Stuart Broad and Steven Finn in successive overs, Anderson palming away a chest-high chance (a rare blemish from England's finest close fielder that almost had DEAD RUBBER stamped on it) and Tredwell, who stooped for a low one somewhat rheumatically as if the endless rain was beginning to take its toll. As for Patel's fumble when Warner hacked Broad to third man, the looks of disbelief on the faces of spectators behind him told its own story.

In that time, Warner fuelled Australia. He grafted hard and had one domineering moment when he swung Broad over the long-on boundary. He had a run-a-ball 32 when Tredwell produced turn and defeated an ungainly sweep.

Wade, opening because of Shane Watson's return, injured, to Australia, made no claim to the job for good, scrambling 12 in 41 balls before Tredwell had him stumped. It was a hard ask - in challenging English conditions and against Anderson and Steve Finn, armed with two new balls - but his critical stare at the spot where the ball had turned quite normally was a poor exit.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • A_Vacant_Slip on July 13, 2012, 21:14 GMT

    @Plz_Dont_Get_Whitewashed - saw your post. You are solid India cricket guy! England batting make fool in UAE Test but they will learn. Anyone who think England bowler no good is making big mistake. But India is still very major challenge for any visitor.

  • JG2704 on July 13, 2012, 20:37 GMT

    @zenboomerang - I think I'm in the minority who has noticed that our number 6 has been averaging less than our number 7 (Prior) or even number 8 (Bres/Broad).I seriously cannot recall a game in recent years when our number 6 has held an inns together when the batsmen above have failed. I can recall Prior and Broad doing so in losing and winning matches but I honestly don't recall it. I have challenged folk to give me an example and I've not so far had a response. As I said to Sirviv If they were prepared to go into the 1st SL test after being whitewashed by Pak with only 4 bowlers (with one of them being an injured beforehand) , then I can't see them ever doing the 4 bowler thing.Your guys are different in tests in that you have Hussey coming in at 6. To be fair Ravi has not done much wrong in the last year for Eng so he prob deserves his chance. I can now see SA going in with a 5/1/5 formation. Wouldn't it be ironic (if this happens) if Tsotsobe is the difference between the 2 sides?

  • JG2704 on July 13, 2012, 20:23 GMT

    SirViv1973 on (July 12 2012, 20:01 PM GMT) Do you seriously think Eng will ever go away from the 5/1/5 formation? I mean in the 1st test vs SL we went into it coming off a 3-0 whitewash in UAE and with Broad carrying an injury and we still only went in with 4 bowlers? If they're not going to try the 5 bowler thing out in that situation then what situation would they try it in?

  • Plz_Dont_Get_Whitewashed on July 13, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    I think this England team has evolved into an extremely competitive team, and are surely gonna win the Tests against SA... maybe 2-1 or1-0 ... PLUS during the India tour they are gonna humiliate India by beating them comprehensively and show the World that they are no longer JUST "fast track bullies" !!! - From a hard-core Indian Fan ;)

  • zenboomerang on July 13, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    @JG2704... Re: the 5-1-5 argument... From an outsiders point of view, I feel the Eng selectors are wasting what is a golden opportunity with Bresnan, Broad & even Swann who would be a no.8 in most int. teams... They are almost unique in their allrounder abilities as a group & your selectors really need to look outside the old & tried methods of past era's where such players didn't exist (as a group)...

  • zenboomerang on July 13, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark... I appreciate your comments, but losing Watson & Lee isn't the reason Oz lost - Eng, a better team with better batters & bowlers played better cricket... Though I complain against the Oz NSP selections, at the end we are stuck with what we had & we lost - whitewashed to be precise...

  • MattyP1979 on July 13, 2012, 0:04 GMT

    Ref the upcoming Ind/Eng series, yes it is going to be tough to take Ind down at home. If we have learnt a few lessons from Pak/SL then perhaps a few chinks might have been patched up. The result no idea, but I can tell you this, Ind bowlers are going to struggle to get 20 wickets for less than a bundle IF Eng have sorted out a few issues.

  • A_Vacant_Slip on July 12, 2012, 23:15 GMT

    @serious-am-i. You think England bowler have only "slight upper hand" on India bowler. LOL man what are you saying!? Did you see England bowler in UAE? Did you see England bowler in Sri Lanka? Did you see England bowler fail anyplace lately? Remember - no Anderson or Broad in ODI in India 2011. Finn is also present now. AND YET India bowler fail in all format in England, Australia, Bangladesh... you name the place - India bowler fail there! How are India going to beat England in the Test if they cannot bowl them out?

  • 5wombats on July 12, 2012, 22:17 GMT

    No @serious-am-i - you are completely wrong. Not for the first time either. We are talking TEST match here. You probably didn't even notice that England did not take Anderson or Broad or Strauss to India last October. It was an ODI squad, not a full strength Test squad. All have good records on all surfaces. Strauss hits a hundred in every 3 Test match Innings in india + 160 v india in WC. He's good in india. Panesar, Broad and Anderson were taking wickets for fun in Sri Lanka and UAE - what makes you think these guys won't go on and do precisely the same in india? KP will blast india "bowlers" in just the same way that he took the Sri Lankans for 150 at Colombo. That's England - lets look at india. No bowlers. Tendulkar past it, Dravid gone, VVS "not the toughest tour" Laxman finished, Sehwag & Zaheer constantly injured; short study isn't it? india don't have anyone like Herath or Ajmal or Rehman - this means india have a serious problem. And you know it.

  • JG2704 on July 12, 2012, 21:25 GMT

    @5wombats - I see the reasoning behind the 6 batsmen but to me it's never really helped us avoid defeat.I looked through the stats of the last year or so and purely by working it out by writing down figures and doing the maths ,not only was Prior averaging more than who was batting at 6 but Broad/Bres (whoever was at 8) was too. Even in the dominant display against India our number 6 was very much weaker than all the other batsmen and while I feel we will still do well with the 6/1/4 in England I still feel 5/1/5 would improve us as our 5th bowler would more likely help reduce the opposition's score than a 6th batsman would help us increase our own score.Another point is remembering what happened with Broad in the 1st SL test and I know he went in with the injury but that has always been a worry re bowlers breaking down and leaving us with 2 pacemen/1 spinner or 1 paceman/2 spinners and as another poster put 5 bowlers should reduce workload by 20% and reduce the need to rest bowlers

  • A_Vacant_Slip on July 13, 2012, 21:14 GMT

    @Plz_Dont_Get_Whitewashed - saw your post. You are solid India cricket guy! England batting make fool in UAE Test but they will learn. Anyone who think England bowler no good is making big mistake. But India is still very major challenge for any visitor.

  • JG2704 on July 13, 2012, 20:37 GMT

    @zenboomerang - I think I'm in the minority who has noticed that our number 6 has been averaging less than our number 7 (Prior) or even number 8 (Bres/Broad).I seriously cannot recall a game in recent years when our number 6 has held an inns together when the batsmen above have failed. I can recall Prior and Broad doing so in losing and winning matches but I honestly don't recall it. I have challenged folk to give me an example and I've not so far had a response. As I said to Sirviv If they were prepared to go into the 1st SL test after being whitewashed by Pak with only 4 bowlers (with one of them being an injured beforehand) , then I can't see them ever doing the 4 bowler thing.Your guys are different in tests in that you have Hussey coming in at 6. To be fair Ravi has not done much wrong in the last year for Eng so he prob deserves his chance. I can now see SA going in with a 5/1/5 formation. Wouldn't it be ironic (if this happens) if Tsotsobe is the difference between the 2 sides?

  • JG2704 on July 13, 2012, 20:23 GMT

    SirViv1973 on (July 12 2012, 20:01 PM GMT) Do you seriously think Eng will ever go away from the 5/1/5 formation? I mean in the 1st test vs SL we went into it coming off a 3-0 whitewash in UAE and with Broad carrying an injury and we still only went in with 4 bowlers? If they're not going to try the 5 bowler thing out in that situation then what situation would they try it in?

  • Plz_Dont_Get_Whitewashed on July 13, 2012, 16:03 GMT

    I think this England team has evolved into an extremely competitive team, and are surely gonna win the Tests against SA... maybe 2-1 or1-0 ... PLUS during the India tour they are gonna humiliate India by beating them comprehensively and show the World that they are no longer JUST "fast track bullies" !!! - From a hard-core Indian Fan ;)

  • zenboomerang on July 13, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    @JG2704... Re: the 5-1-5 argument... From an outsiders point of view, I feel the Eng selectors are wasting what is a golden opportunity with Bresnan, Broad & even Swann who would be a no.8 in most int. teams... They are almost unique in their allrounder abilities as a group & your selectors really need to look outside the old & tried methods of past era's where such players didn't exist (as a group)...

  • zenboomerang on July 13, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark... I appreciate your comments, but losing Watson & Lee isn't the reason Oz lost - Eng, a better team with better batters & bowlers played better cricket... Though I complain against the Oz NSP selections, at the end we are stuck with what we had & we lost - whitewashed to be precise...

  • MattyP1979 on July 13, 2012, 0:04 GMT

    Ref the upcoming Ind/Eng series, yes it is going to be tough to take Ind down at home. If we have learnt a few lessons from Pak/SL then perhaps a few chinks might have been patched up. The result no idea, but I can tell you this, Ind bowlers are going to struggle to get 20 wickets for less than a bundle IF Eng have sorted out a few issues.

  • A_Vacant_Slip on July 12, 2012, 23:15 GMT

    @serious-am-i. You think England bowler have only "slight upper hand" on India bowler. LOL man what are you saying!? Did you see England bowler in UAE? Did you see England bowler in Sri Lanka? Did you see England bowler fail anyplace lately? Remember - no Anderson or Broad in ODI in India 2011. Finn is also present now. AND YET India bowler fail in all format in England, Australia, Bangladesh... you name the place - India bowler fail there! How are India going to beat England in the Test if they cannot bowl them out?

  • 5wombats on July 12, 2012, 22:17 GMT

    No @serious-am-i - you are completely wrong. Not for the first time either. We are talking TEST match here. You probably didn't even notice that England did not take Anderson or Broad or Strauss to India last October. It was an ODI squad, not a full strength Test squad. All have good records on all surfaces. Strauss hits a hundred in every 3 Test match Innings in india + 160 v india in WC. He's good in india. Panesar, Broad and Anderson were taking wickets for fun in Sri Lanka and UAE - what makes you think these guys won't go on and do precisely the same in india? KP will blast india "bowlers" in just the same way that he took the Sri Lankans for 150 at Colombo. That's England - lets look at india. No bowlers. Tendulkar past it, Dravid gone, VVS "not the toughest tour" Laxman finished, Sehwag & Zaheer constantly injured; short study isn't it? india don't have anyone like Herath or Ajmal or Rehman - this means india have a serious problem. And you know it.

  • JG2704 on July 12, 2012, 21:25 GMT

    @5wombats - I see the reasoning behind the 6 batsmen but to me it's never really helped us avoid defeat.I looked through the stats of the last year or so and purely by working it out by writing down figures and doing the maths ,not only was Prior averaging more than who was batting at 6 but Broad/Bres (whoever was at 8) was too. Even in the dominant display against India our number 6 was very much weaker than all the other batsmen and while I feel we will still do well with the 6/1/4 in England I still feel 5/1/5 would improve us as our 5th bowler would more likely help reduce the opposition's score than a 6th batsman would help us increase our own score.Another point is remembering what happened with Broad in the 1st SL test and I know he went in with the injury but that has always been a worry re bowlers breaking down and leaving us with 2 pacemen/1 spinner or 1 paceman/2 spinners and as another poster put 5 bowlers should reduce workload by 20% and reduce the need to rest bowlers

  • serious-am-i on July 12, 2012, 20:18 GMT

    @5wombats: You must be seriously joking when you consider English bowlers to be superb in Indian conditions. The 5-0 whitewash in ODI series in India probably u forgot, almost same bowlers represented. And yeah if you compare it with the Indian bowlers, they have a slight upper hand but don't dream of getting either bouncy or green tracks after the tracks Eng gave to India in the England series.

  • SirViv1973 on July 12, 2012, 20:01 GMT

    @5Wombats , With SAF just round the corner perhaps its a bit premature to be talking about Ind but I can't resist posting my thoughts. I will be very surprised if Samit makes the squad for the tests particularly if Bopara gets runs against SAF. I think Eng will take 3 out & out spinners Swann, Monty & Treadwell which will mean they will pick their best 7 batters which I dont think Samit gets in to. RB is a certainty for series against SAF & would need to be as bad as he was against Aus in 09 not to go to Ind the other 5 are certs with I think Bairstow & Taylor vying for the back up sport. I think they will liklely start the series with 4 bowlers swann,monty, Jimmy & Broad & RB as 5th, but I do think there is a genuine chance they could start or at some point go to 5 bowlers providing Bresnan,Broad,Swann are all fit, something which will not be considered at any point during SAF series

  • 5wombats on July 12, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    @JG2704 Don't expect to see Morgan turn out for Eng in Tests again. Meanwhile - yes well aware of your stance re; bowlers. TBH England look always to avoid defeat as position 1. With this view 6 bats + w/k bat is the set up = 4 bowlers. In most of the world, that's the way. However, in places like SL, ind, or UAE its hot and knackering, so position 2 would be sacrifice a bat for an allrounder/bowler to spread the work = 5 bowlers. I suspect that they will try Patel in india and "rotate" the bowlers Test by Test. Tredwell could feature in that rotation. Much will depend on pitch conditions. 4 bowlers didn't work in UAE & Pak had superb bowlers. india have nothing in the way of bowlers so Eng could pick 5 bats + w/k and 5 bowlers with a view to applying pressure on the india batsmen. We have great bowlers, this would work. Our batsmen let us down in UAE - I don't see them making that mistake again. They learned a lot in Sri Lanka. plz publish

  • Yevghenny on July 12, 2012, 9:35 GMT

    If England are so average, what on earth are the overrated dinosaurs India?? "England cannot win away" - well they have struggled in sub-continent, but then again, also won 4-0 in ODI's against Pakistan recently. Haven't had problems winning in other parts of the world. And even then it was just the batting that let England down, the bowling was superb and will continue to take wickets on any pitch. Can you say the same for India's club bowlers?

  • jmcilhinney on July 12, 2012, 8:40 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 12 2012, 07:02 AM GMT), you know that Pattinson played two games, right? Maybe you didn't notice because he had little impact, despite what we were told before the series. Pattinson is undoubtedly a talent and will get better but I think that descriptions of Australia's bowling attack being the best in the world based on the likes of Pattinson and Cummins were grossly premature. Also, Pattinson has had more success in Tests than ODIs but only time will tell whether that's because of the opposition in each case or because his bowling is more suited to Test cricket.

  • JG2704 on July 12, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    @5wombats on (July 11 2012, 20:09 PM GMT) -. You know that I'm a strong campaigner to get an extra bowler in the side for many many reasons. My test side for UK tests would be Strauss,Cook,Trott,KP,Bell,Prior, Bres,Broad,Swann,Jimmy ,Finn or Onions and for SC would be the same but have Monty in instead of one ofthe pacemen.I'd be very surprised if Ravi isn't the number 6 for the SA series and if he does well I feel that the selectors would feel that they have solved their number 6 problem for the SC and he can bowl some overs there too. When Strauss retires , I'm not sure we have a natural to come in and open so I'd maybe move Trott up one and personally I'd still try the 5 bowlers approach but that won't happen so I guess it's whoever is performing at the time. Do you reckon Morgan has almost given up on test cricket?

  • JG2704 on July 12, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    @heathrf1974 on (July 12 2012, 00:31 AM GMT) - Many posters will post stuff and when they are pointed out to be incorrect they'll either ignore your response or try and get involved in some far fetched Top Trumps game of stats from yesteryear or say "That didn't count because.." , so absolutely fair play to you here - Class response. It was a bad series for Australia just like UAE in tests was bad for England. Sometimes the best way of looking at it is that both our sides built up a fair cushion which meant that both sides still maintain their 1 ranking.

  • JG2704 on July 12, 2012, 8:17 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 12 2012, 00:50 AM GMT) They may have done better with Watson and Lee but my point is that we all (inc yourself) knew that neither were playing when the preview thread was published where you say "Australia will win this match comprehensively. Players to watch out: Hilfy, Doherty, Clarke." And no mention of Watson or Lee. Had you not known that Watson or Lee were going to be missing or mentioned them in your players to watch then your argument would hold some water.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 12, 2012, 7:02 GMT

    @ SirViv1973 on (July 12 2012, 06:32 AM GMT)..Even it got incomplete squad. Mike Hussey a key player through out tournament missed. Pattinson the fast bowler is dearly missed too.

  • SirViv1973 on July 12, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark, Lee & Watson both got injured during Eng's inns in the 4th ODI. In all honesty the series had already gone by then. Aus were already 2 down and had only set Eng 201 in 50 overs to win.

  • 5wombats on July 12, 2012, 5:03 GMT

    @heathrf1974 on (July 12 2012, 00:31 AM GMT) = don't worry. Before this series started we thought Ryan ten Doeschate was available for selection for Australia!.... now, there's a thought! :-)

  • praveen4honestremark on July 12, 2012, 3:12 GMT

    @KURUWITA on (July 11 2012, 23:43 PM GMT...I am expecting,Aussies might become a good one day team and T20 side side by September when T20 world cup starts.

  • jmcilhinney on July 12, 2012, 2:15 GMT

    @samincolumbia on (July 11 2012, 17:38 PM GMT), noone said that England deserve respect for their #1 rank in Tests based on this ODI series victory. What was said was that they deserve respect for their #1 rank, period. As for what matters in regards to ODIs, it's very convenient to say that all that matters is the WC when your team won the last WC but isn't ranked #1. I'm sure that if India loses the next WC but earns the #1 rank then that suddenly the #1 rank will become more important. The truth is that they are both important. Obviously a WC win gets remembered more as your name is guaranteed to be there for 4 years but, just as in Test cricket, the #1 ranking is an indication of sustained success. Things are crowded at the top of the ODI rankings right now though, so the leader may change after every series for a while.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 12, 2012, 0:50 GMT

    @JG2704 on (July 11 2012, 19:37 PM GMT)..I appreciate England win, they crushed Aussies but i felt Aussies would have done better if they would have not lost Watson and Brett lee; that's what i was just feeling, but not an excuse though. Australia even with this team should have won.. England won and Australia lost. The best team won. @SirViv1973 on (July 11 2012, 20:30 PM GMT)...I am not crying over that Aussies didn't get any good team and so lost.It was crystal clear that England was dominant side through out this series and it won. But i felt that Aussies team lost Brett lee and Watson, if they would have been then it would have been good.

  • heathrf1974 on July 12, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    @5wombats it was an odd comment and wrong. My bad. I was trying to find something to take from the tour and I can't even take that.

  • Hammond on July 11, 2012, 23:56 GMT

    All I can say is that if England had been beaten 4-0 with one washed out, every man and his dog who has a beef with the England team would be on cricinfo gloating. And yet, the team that actually did win 4-0 against the WORLD'S NUMBER ONE odi side is supposed to not "read too much into it". I'm telling everyone what is going to actually happen. England will comprehensibly beat Australia in the next two ashes series, home and then away. Would we be allowed to gloat then?

  • LALITHKURUWITA on July 11, 2012, 23:43 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark Ha Ha What happenned mate? Aussies have to wait few more years.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on July 11, 2012, 23:40 GMT

    This is a good reply form ENG to what Watson said before the start of the series. "ENG Batting No 7 is vulnarable."

  • 5wombats on July 11, 2012, 21:07 GMT

    @heathrf1974 what an odd comment. Who did you say batted first in the 1st ODI at Lords?

  • SirViv1973 on July 11, 2012, 20:47 GMT

    @Rich Hamilton, very true statement from a neutral, perhaps the few deluded Aus fans on here should take note. @5Wombats, Yes I have seen Jonsey he is over on the Aus domestic giving his thoughts on NSW new look squad! It would seem that hes too frightened to come and talk about the battering his team has just got. lol @AndyZaltzmanshair, thank you for your gracious words

  • SirViv1973 on July 11, 2012, 20:30 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark, Well Eng can only beat what is put in front of them! You say Eng need to beat a full strength team but this was the team CA picked and thought was their best. M Hussey was the only stand out player who was missing & he is 37. Some people have mentioned the likes of C White & C Ferguson but they were available & overlooked by CA & I don't think either would have made a difference given the conditions. The other player getting mentioned is R Harris but his body is brittle and at 32 CA need to manage his workload carefully & besides 6 seamers should have been more than enough to cope with what was in the end just 4 ODIs.

  • 5wombats on July 11, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    With all the Hoopla kinda missed that England fielded a curious bowling unit; Didn't ever expect to see Bopara, Tredwell and Patel all playing in the same team! Curious that these bowlers were tried together. The pitch clearly offered turn and bounce. Warner was found out against spin again. But the point is - why were these bowlers tried? Are we looking at some of the thinking for the forthcoming india tour? Monty must go to india - that's nailed on, but what about Tredwell? Bopara will probably go anyway as a batsman unless he crashes and burns against SA. Then there's Patel - who is also in the mix and can bat. Thoughts anyone?

  • SirViv1973 on July 11, 2012, 20:05 GMT

    @Marcio As an Aus fan how can you say Eng are only any good at home in cold wet conditions ? You have kept reminding us all over the past couple of weeks of the ODI s played after the ashes, but you seem to have forgotten the ashes series itself! you may also have forgotten the last series we played in SAF where we had a more than credible drawn series which was preceded by an ODI series win. The only question mark remaining over this Eng team is the batsmans ability to play against quality spin on sub continental bunsens. I expect Eng to do well in Ind this winter, I think lessons of last winter will be learnt and I also think Inds lack of a top quality spinner will also work in our favor. This is a very good Eng team but it is a long way from being the Aus team of 90/00s, but even that team struggled on the sub continent for a fair few years before they finally cracked it.

  • hhillbumper on July 11, 2012, 19:54 GMT

    Love the Aussie and Indian fans.Keep crowing lads we are still going to be better than you.

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 19:37 GMT

    @ praveen4honestremark Hello , re my U turn remark it was in reference to you predicting "Australia will win this match comprehensively. Players to watch out: Hilfy, Doherty, Clarke" on the preview thread at 16.40 hours and then 01.41 on this thread (some 7 hours later) you're saying that Australia had an understrength/uncompetitive team which may well be the case , but that was known when you made the prediction , so surely you should either give England full credit or not make such predictions. As for the WT20 , well it won't be Cook,Bell and Trott at the top anyway and I thought Gayle and co were supposed to be giving us a hiding in the most recent T20/OD series , but it didn't quite work out like that. I'm still not 100% confident in our top order chasing a good score and maybe we could do with a power hitter up there but what we are doing is reducing the dot balls and running better between the wickets which is a start

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 19:37 GMT

    @ Long-Leg on (July 11 2012, 08:43 AM GMT) You're right but Mr M has been going on about thrashings Eng recd yesteryear like they're relevant too. Also he did say that Aus would win the 3rd ODI and when that didn't happen , rather than saying I was wrong and well played Eng he just went back to his stats of yesteryear. If he was the only guy commenting on here he'd still rant about Eng fans getting carried away

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 19:37 GMT

    @ jmcilhinney on (July 11 2012, 08:51 AM GMT) Must admit , it seems that Australia's transitional period seems to coincide with when Eng beat them. I'm quite happy to admit that Australia

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 19:37 GMT

    @Marcio on (July 11 2012, 14:14 PM GMT) Re tests , until the UAE series we were unbeaten both at home and away for 3 years. Now you were telling all that Australia are still a great ODI side despite their form in this series and I'm quite happy to buy that it has just been a series where your guys have underperformed. But now you are ranting about England losing the UAE series 3-0 and how they can't be a top side if they lose a series 3-0. So are you now admitting that Australia are a bad ODI side , because if not you are contradicting yourself by saying top sides don't get whitewashed. Or could it be that Aus are still a top OD side and Eng are likewise in tests despite these series results?

  • samincolumbia on July 11, 2012, 17:38 GMT

    @Andy - thanks for your advice. But can you please englighten us as to why England deserves respect for their #1 test staus based on their ODI series win against Australia? For ODI's, all that matters is the World Cup and India are the champs.

  • whatawicket on July 11, 2012, 17:08 GMT

    if a team beats another by a mile in 3 of the 4 games then perhaps it can be classed as a poor odi series. but im sorry there was nothing england could do about that. england select their team not the opposition. as they say it takes 2 to tango. marcio the last time eng played the saffers away they drew 1 - 1 in tests and beat them 2 - 1 in odis. and although india hammered them in odis 5 - 0 eng beat pakistan 0 - 4 but lost the the tests 3 - 0. so calm down dear. lets see how you get on against pakistan in odis.then we can say who beat who and who lost to who.

  • AKS286 on July 11, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    very good to see tredwell bowling. i always said he is ahead of panesar. what happens to Oz team. everyone knows forrest, pattinson is good for TEST cricket. no voges, klinger in place of bailey & forrest. very earlier warner gave the comment that he want to be a shewag. its true buddy you are shewag because when you all click no one knows but when you all click its a match winning. but who will wait for the clicks. watson, paine, klinger, birt, clarke, voges, mcdonald/hussey, johnson, mckay, beer, copeland

  • SDHM on July 11, 2012, 14:47 GMT

    stogster - you really think abandoning the toss would work? Australia won the first two of this series and didn't win either game!

  • YorkshirePudding on July 11, 2012, 14:46 GMT

    @stogster, I think the two innings was an aus trial, and honestly the players hated it espceially if they'd just got settled, and the fans really didnt grasp it, so it was dropped as a dead end, just like the supersub experiment.

  • heathrf1974 on July 11, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    The Aussies were completely outplayed. I do find it a bit interesting that the team batting second won all the games (England obviously). Maybe something to think about for other touring sides.

  • jmcilhinney on July 11, 2012, 14:27 GMT

    @RichHamilton on (July 11 2012, 13:08 PM GMT), the situation between England and SA in ODIs is the reverse of what it was in Tests a little while ago, i.e. they appear level on points but SA have been rounded down and England have been rounded up. If SA win the series then they will indeed go to #1 in ODIs. If England win it 3-2 then they will overtake SA but they will still be marginally behind Australia. England need a 4-1 result at least to go to #1.

  • samincolumbia on July 11, 2012, 14:18 GMT

    It looks England and Australia are hell bent on hastening the demise of the ODI format... An utterly boring, yawn inducing series! After this, I must admit I am eagerly looking forward to the India-SL series.

  • Marcio on July 11, 2012, 14:14 GMT

    Hammond.

    "I agree that this is the best England side in my lifetime." But they just got thrashed x2 away from home, & got smashd in the world cup! Just struggled to a drawn series with SL away? Are we just supposed to pretend that only this glut of recent home games count, & the rest dont? How can they be called "great" with recent 0-5 and 0-3 losses? What great team has ever been drubbed like that as soon as they step offshore? A complete failure to contextualise a few wins at home! ENG are a good team who have players suited to playing tests & ODIs at home in the big wet. VERY recent results indicate they are a VERY poor away from home. No such team can be called great, certainly not on the basis of beating a hodge-podge Aussie 11 on a whirlwhind off-season tour in cyclonic weather. Good? Yes. Great? Not by a long, long shot. Let's see how they fare against SA away. Their recent away form means they will start underdogs. Oh, and SA couldn't beat AUS at home, & lost the ODIs.

  • stogster on July 11, 2012, 13:15 GMT

    While I really do feel that England completely outplayed Australia (and I say this as an Australia supporter from swayback), I would have to say that this was about the dullest 1-day series I have ever seen. Each match was characterised by an almost complete lack of tension - despite the wonderful efforts of Cricinfo staff - and left me wondering about the future of the one-day game.

    I really do think that we need to move to a 2-innings a side model (what happened to that?), and I would also really like to see the toss abandoned in favour of the visiting side deciding whether to bat or bowl (thereby reducing home-side advantage). Anything that evens up the competition would be welcome at this stage!

  • hyclass on July 11, 2012, 13:11 GMT

    Any team that bats players with such appalling records as Smith and Forrest ahead of a world class champion like David Hussey,deserves everything it gets.For years,Hussey,with a 1st Class average of almost 55 and a strike rate of 70 including 41 centuries,has been unable to secure a Test birth in a team that has struggled, while non-descripts like Khawaja,Cowans and Marsh have been gifted caps.Criticisms levelled at Husseys game have been as varied as,'He scores his runs in County Cricket which is of a lower standard'. My reply is,that so does the entire England Team which is the world No.1.He was perceived to have a weak ODI record,but has languished at 6 and 7 in the order for his entire career and been forced to score under constant duress.There is no rational explanation for his treatment.Nor that of his fellow state players,Rogers and Hodge who would have formed a formidable top order over the last 3 years.Its impossible to feel sorry for Arthur,Inverarity or the Australian Team.

  • RichHamilton on July 11, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    My opinion is that there is no single great team in world cricket at present, but England and South Africa are the best two, and it will be great to see them slug it out during the next month. which ever one wins the test and ODI series will be the top rated (and rightly so). why not 5 tests??????

    As for Australia - the last generation was truly great. I am a west Indies supporter so don't get me started on how the mighty have fallen... the truth is that great players make a great team and when those players retire it leaves an unfillable gap. It happens in all team sports - during my lifetime WIndies after the 1980's, France football after 2000, England rugby after 2003, and now Aus cricket after 2008. It will happen to Spain football too in time, and to men's tennis after F-N-D retire.A 'golden generation' of a cluster of great players playing at the same time for should be truly savoured, go and see them when you can, recognise when it is happening. It does not happen often!

  • AndyZaltzmannsHair on July 11, 2012, 12:30 GMT

    I'm a Pakistan fan but it is high time people start giving respect to the England cricket team. They deserve their number 1 status. They and SA are a step above everyone else. It's getting tiring hearing Indian posters bash England for the odd loss here or there based on selective anecdotal evidence. Give credit where it's due.

  • ajith.kartha on July 11, 2012, 12:16 GMT

    Cannot think of a good reason why Ravi was not the man of the series, better than Bell, as he was unbeated and took a few wickets as well!

  • brusselslion on July 11, 2012, 11:36 GMT

    @MrPontingToYou:

    Re Bopara/ Bairstow - Probably (and hopefully) Ravi.

    Re England @ home: I seem to recall that we won an away series 3-1 18 months ago?

  • on July 11, 2012, 11:31 GMT

    Again England have shown their strength no all rounders just four top class bowlers six front line batsmen and a good keeper. that's how a cricket team should be selected. congrats England you have got it right.

  • RednWhiteArmy on July 11, 2012, 11:15 GMT

    I reckon afghanistan will thrash australia....what an embarrasment!

  • praveen4honestremark on July 11, 2012, 11:07 GMT

    @JG2704 on (July 11 2012, 10:00 AM GMT)...Ya, i thought this Australian team is not with full strength. Thought they are good enough to win against England but was not to be the case. I am with Australia and even now i bet on them any time they play matches against England because they know the art of winning from any stage of match and that's what history says. But this time sadly they lost. I think you got me wrong thinking that i supported England taking a U-turn. No, i didn't support England any time. I appreciated England and Congratulated but not supported it. I don't know where you felt i was supporting England. May be you felt that after i kept " i like it" for Hammonds' words said to RandyOz. I believe that when some one is due to be credited for their win you should give them credit even though your favorite team looses. I even now support Australia. I think you are clear now.

  • Hammond on July 11, 2012, 10:50 GMT

    I agree that this is the best England side in my lifetime, and probably since Hutton's great team in the early 50's. Just like then they have a great off spinner, heaps of willing and able quick bowlers to call on, technically correct openers and real depth and class in the middle order. The dangerous thing for world cricket is I don't think that they have reached their peak yet, and Cook looks like a great replacement as captain for Strauss when he retires. South Africa may well be the last team that may be able to challenge them at home for while.

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on July 11, 2012, 10:41 GMT

    @ed.dixon - agreed. In fact , there were a staggering 23 English batsmen who didn't score a single run over the 4 completed matches !! Thing is though - they were ALL DNBs !

  • MrPontingToYou on July 11, 2012, 10:40 GMT

    if only england could play every match at home...

  • MrPontingToYou on July 11, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    does this mean bopeep is going to make the test team ahead of bairstow?

  • on July 11, 2012, 10:18 GMT

    i think its time for icc to take on pitches ! becz look at d home factor ! aus comes to ind got lost 4-0 in odi , india go to eng again whitewash eng goes to uaae again white wash pakistan goes to sriloanka still searching for dere firt win ! n u all know abt gayle storms back in westindies ! its alll abt home now !

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:01 GMT

    As for the future - who knows. Australia had a bad series and I'm sure that - similar to us in tests in UAE - they are better than what they have shown. We've had many commenters saying how they are a bad side , how are they number 1 etc and when they play SA they'll get hammered. These people either have very short or very selective memories as Aus drew (coming from behind) in tests and won the ODI series in SA about 8 months or so ago. Also , the way cricket works , I'd say this has absolutely no bearing on what happens in the Ashes next year as it's a different fmt and either side's fortunes can change in that time. I mean Aus did much better in SL than we did and we have had a rollercoaster of a ride in the last year or so. Now we have to perform against a team that many say should be number 1.

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    Re this game , it just looked all too easy. Wade had a terrible day at the office which set the tone for the match. Our bowlers did well and maybe some of the Aus batsmen made them look better than they actually were. Broad often gets stick on here - described as petulant etc - but I thought he took the 2 dropped catches off his bowling with very good grace. Tredwell came in and did a decent job although I have to say it's much easier coming into a winning side than a struggling side. Ravi is starting to show his value in this format and Craig looked much better behind the stumps. Have had too many false alarms to get carried away but things certainly look better right now. Whether we can ever conquer India remains to be seen but one fact is that we are now above the mighty team in all 3 formats. Not bad for a bunch of rubbish journeymen.

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 11 2012, 01:41 AM GMT) Quite strange that according to your good self this "non competitive/full strength team were going to win this match on (July 10 2012, 16:45 PM GMT). I've seen opinions change quickly on these boards but never that quickly

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    @Rabbito on (July 10 2012, 23:45 PM GMT) Being as this a one day thread , they won 4-0 in UAE and lost 5-0 in India

  • JG2704 on July 11, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    @maddy20 on (July 10 2012, 19:18 PM GMT) Not number 1 in ODIs at present. Re next comment , I notice you remember to mention the 2 series we lost away but not the series we won. Surely that proves we are inconsistent more than a bad away side.

  • brusselslion on July 11, 2012, 9:58 GMT

    It's always a pleasure to beat Australia whatever the form of cricket. However, Australia may have learnt more from this series than England. It's pretty clear that some of this current squad simply aren't good enough (Doherty, Forrest, Smith) and that others are past it (Johnson, Lee) and that these five (at least) should be discarded immediately. Problem is that looking at the Australia A squad, the replacements don't seem to be up to much either.

    Unless Australia unearth a rich seam of talent in the next 12-18 months and/or England self destruct, it's difficult to see anything other than comprehensive England victories in the next 2 Ashes series.

  • CamS71 on July 11, 2012, 9:33 GMT

    Loving England's play atm, but let's not get carried away. Still a lot of work to do & improvement to make. Very hard nosed & talented opponent next, followed by a tough tour of India. However I see no reason why we can't win them both if we get our game right. Not saying we will, just that we can. The Aussies will be tougher next summer & have a pace corp that will cause problems IF they can keep them fit (Harris, Cummins & Pattinson all have injury issues). The Ausssies do have problems with their batting & spin though. Lyon is serviceable in the latter, but not much more than that (like Giles was for us), but relying on Mr Cricket & Punter to shore up the batting does not bode well for them.

  • asillypoint on July 11, 2012, 9:13 GMT

    @damo_s. You have hit the nail squarely on the head.

  • ed.dixon on July 11, 2012, 8:58 GMT

    Australia should look on the bright side. There are a couple of good points to take away from this:

    1) They only lost to one team on the entire tour.

    2) Only 6 English batsmen made it into double figures during the course of the four matches.

  • Kentheavenonearth on July 11, 2012, 8:56 GMT

    LET US WEEP a golden age my friends, our best side since the 1950s. I will be there for the summit match at super Rose Bowl. Fingers crossed, ALL THREE forms of our beautiful game.

  • on July 11, 2012, 8:55 GMT

    I like steve smith my fav player watchin him 4rm debut

  • jmcilhinney on July 11, 2012, 8:51 GMT

    @Green_and_Gold on (July 11 2012, 08:22 AM GMT), appreciate paying credit but I'm not sure that I can agree that Australia are rebuilding. How long has this rebuilding been going on? We were told that Australia were rebuilding during the last Ashes. I think that "rebuilding" is a euphemism for "we used to be good but now we're not". Australia had many great players for many years. Now they don't. They still have good players and I'm not claiming that England are great, but one can only claim to be rebuilding for so long before one has to admit that the bricks just aren't good enough to hold up the wall.

  • jb633 on July 11, 2012, 8:50 GMT

    @RandyOz, you need to learn how to lose mate. Throughout the 90's and 00's Eng were constantly beaten by a formidable Oz side. Instead of hating the Aus players like Warne and Gilchrist, people in England generally respected them for their skill levels and mental toughness. England have some high class performers now, eg Anderson and Cook and their skill should be appreciate globally. People go on about home track bullies, but the fact is if it is so easy to swing the ball like him in England why are no other people doing it. @Indian fans- the comments about home track bullies are very rich. Granted, we had a poor winter, but we were competitive in the Pak series and drew the test series vs Sri Lanka. Personally I agree that this England side is not great, but they are a good side. We will go into the Inidan series as underdogs for sure but I am 100 % sure that we will be competitive in every series of that tour. It will not be like the capitulation of your team in Eng and Oz.

  • 5wombats on July 11, 2012, 8:49 GMT

    @RandyOZ + @jonesy2 - how's that humble pie going down mates? Enjoying that sour grape filling? Wait... where is @jonesy2? Anyone seen him? His pie is getting cold. ha ha ha.

  • Hammond on July 11, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    @RandyOz- We shall see. Because it is going to happen. Maybe you can invent some new excuses, you have almost exactly a year to think about it.

  • Long-Leg on July 11, 2012, 8:43 GMT

    @Marcio: I am an England fan and I couldn't agree more. This pointless unwanted series tells us nothing about the Ashes battle coming up next year. I am sure that Australia will regroup, prepare properly and come at England hard. I still think they will lose, but it should at least be a proper contest.

  • Green_and_Gold on July 11, 2012, 8:22 GMT

    Credit to England for the series win, they look a strong team esp at home and in these conditions. Us Aussies are rebuilding, we have lots of new faces coming in and naturally its going to take time for the balance to be right and players to settle into their roles. The experience will do the players well in their own development. It was a strange series though (only the 5 scheduled ODIs) and I dont think there was a real buzz about it to begin with (and the weather certainly didnt help).

  • yorkshirematt on July 11, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    Yet again another excellent win for England. However a year is a long time in cricket and a lot can happen before the Ashes, like injuries and form for example. The Ashes is a different kettle of fish to a meaningless ODI series and the aussies will be much better prepared. It's not a vintage aussie side but if they're not determined to fight and get that little urn back then something must be wrong! i will reserve judgement until then.

  • on July 11, 2012, 8:18 GMT

    sO STRANGE SINCE LAST YEAR THE WORLD NO 1 TEAMS FROM ODI AND TEST WERE GETTING WHITEWASHED EG.INDIA 0-4 IN ENGLAND,ENGLAND 0-3 AGST PAKISTAN AND AUSTRALIA NO 1 ODI GOT WHITEWASHED 0-4

  • Damo_s on July 11, 2012, 8:16 GMT

    More than happy to see the formerly smug Autralians get a good kicking. I shall show the same amount of sympathy you showed us when the roles were reversed, which is absolutely none! With regards to England being great, we are looking like a really solid team. However, we need to perform in India otherwise we have no argument when being called green track bullies.

  • on July 11, 2012, 8:09 GMT

    @jezmondo ... you missed out Glen McGrath... he must be speechless.. and that'll be a first !!!

  • on July 11, 2012, 8:05 GMT

    A note or two to all those denigrating or belittling England's standings in the ICC Rankings.. Read them and weep. !!! Your moaning and groaning will make no difference.. Only winning can raise your rating... And to all you Indians who complain that England can't win away.. just check the results from your last series in England and Australia.. People who live in glass house should not throw stones !!

  • dariuscorny on July 11, 2012, 7:49 GMT

    @Marcio Eng didi beat India at home in odis last year,but that was not 5-0 ,it was 3-0 with 1 match tie and the fist odi was washed out with Ind in commanding position,unlike this Aus series,but then Eng were winners

  • Rafelgibt on July 11, 2012, 7:36 GMT

    Sorry to say but AUS cricket are in serious problem...........No doubt about that dark days of AUSSIE cricket are coming very shortly.......Though I never expect this so early.......Its really pathetic to watch AUSSIE lose like this.............ENG era is back..........It would be nice to watch who is going to compete with ENG........

  • allblue on July 11, 2012, 7:30 GMT

    Four big plusses for England. 1) Cook's captaincy is maturing nicely and the post-Strauss Test succession looks assured. 2) Has the improvisation required following KP's departure finally found Bell his role in ODIs? An encouraging start certainly. 3) Consistent performances from Finn augur well for when he is a Test regular. 4) Ravi Bopara. He is such talented player, but his international career had spluttered to the extent it was looking like he might be just another 'could have been'. Starting with the T20 against WI he has shown real maturity in the least few games, at 27 are we finally seeing the finished article? If he can follow this up with a good series at 6 against SA, he could be the final piece of the jigsaw for the Test side. So, very encouraging for England, ten in a row no mean feat but stiffer challenges await.

  • RandyOZ on July 11, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    @Hammond - do you mean like the silence we heard from you for the entire Pakistan and SL series? I highly doubt it mate!

  • CricketingStargazer on July 11, 2012, 7:26 GMT

    For England, there were serious doubts before the series. The number 6 position had become a major issue. Bairstow had not done well and there were major doubts about Bopara. Eoin Morgan had had a dreadful last 9 months and his re-habilitation was still on-going. Bresnan has not been the same since his injury, Finn had struggled in the 3rd Test and no one was convinced by the top 3 in limited overs games. Now, Ravi Bopara looks to have found his mojo and offers solid batting and useful bowling and the one occasion that Morgan had to bat he was brutal. And an array of ever less likely reserves came in and did well. So, in the knick of time there is a settled batting line up before the South African Tests and a "deus ex machina" in the form of a #6 who can be relied upon for 10-15 decent overs to settle the 4/5 bowler debate.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 11, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    @Tlotoxl on (July 11 2012, 06:04 AM GMT)..Yes, they are indeed the quality players; i completely accept it. But when you say they are best, it's just makes me think, are they really??? Their body language doesn't make me think that they are really meant for opening. As a opener you need to be aggressive in body language. Best openers in this world have aggressive body language. But having said that , it's my personal opinion and may be wrong too. let's see how they fare in coming years to come. And coming to Gayle he is even consistent too, you can see his knocks in NZ series he is playing.

  • jmcilhinney on July 11, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    I'm a fan of Ian Bell but, on balance, I'd agree with a few others that Bopara probably deserved the MoS award.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 11, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    (continued), Australia can take a lot from this series 1) Young bowlers and Batsmen had a look at conditions and batsmen ahead of next years CT and Ashes, 2) Obvious gaps have been highlighted, due to lack of experience in the middle. 3) with 2 new balls and seaming conditions england have it nailed in terms of formation, Aus will surely copy this, 4) Aus are now aware the MJ, Lee and the old guard that played are pretty much off the boil.

  • cric_fan_ on July 11, 2012, 7:09 GMT

    watson: England's lower middle order is the problem. me: how so? watson: it's impossible to get them to bat mate.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 11, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    The Australians of 10 years ago liked to talk of mental disintegration. Last night, if Alistair Cook had brought on the heavy roller it would have taken two cheap wickets and made a run out and that in a series where the home fielding has been sub-standard and some of the bowling has lacked intensity, particularly at the end at The Oval. There are players in the Australian side like Doherty and Johnson who have so much mental baggage that it is hard to know why they were picked. Last night some pressure had been put on England that was immediately relieved as the hapless Doherty leaked runs. Johnson does not intimidate the batsmen, they wait eagerly for him to come on and, by the end of his first spell he seems to be wishing that he'd get injured again to end the torture. So, if this was building for Test cricket it is not entirely clear what the plan was. Will Lee play again? How long can Watson continue to hold together the batting and bowling?

  • Bramblefly on July 11, 2012, 7:00 GMT

    @RandyOz July 10, 22.36 - ..and with that parting shot, he ran like the wind.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 11, 2012, 6:56 GMT

    @Posted by on (July 11 2012, 05:51 AM GMT), err the ashes is next year, and I wouldnt bet on it, Cummins, Starc, Pattinson, Warner, Wade and the other new faces have seen conditions and the coaches will know what they need to work on for next year....England can take a few positives from this series, 1) They were never really troubled in any game, 2) Bopara must be full of confidence by now, 3) They've had a look at bowlers that will play in the Ashes next year (McKay, Cummins and Pattinson), 4) Bell has stepped up and shown to be a decent replacement for KP.

  • atta4627 on July 11, 2012, 6:53 GMT

    Hi, Me from Kuwait actually from Pakistan, Cricket lover but Ponting lover, i suggest and request Australians to bring him back he still got enough in him to take the team home from the deep deep holes, please think again the players they chosen in his place are not even club players, please bring him back i want to see him in yellow color to means not only in test also ODI, hope Australians understand this, please CRICINFO convey my this message to them

  • on July 11, 2012, 6:48 GMT

    This is the sad news for Australian cricket team as well as Australian fan because the world no.1 lost the series with whitewash.Really their performance were too bad in England.The luck also hadn't gave them to positive result.Brett lee injury also makes them down because he is only played the all-rounder role from their team hitting hard boundary and also we saw their is also problem in Watson in the tournament.Forest and Bailey are playing the role of Ricky and M.Hussey but they can't perform as they hope ...really they we can see their is great problem if their is not ponting in team...micheal clarke is good batsman but he is not good captain ..so call to ponting again in odi team of ausises so that again team can go up and perform their performance and they can show their own talent..if Australia have Warner, Watson, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, D.Hussey, T.paine, S.Smith, Brett lee, Mckay, Pat cummins/pattinson/strac..or option is doherty and helfennus so the team will be perfect..

  • on July 11, 2012, 6:46 GMT

    Ravi Bopara deserved to be the Man of the series, just 7 runs behind Bell but he took 4 crucial wickets.

  • piper on July 11, 2012, 6:28 GMT

    Bopara should have been the Man of the Series. It is high time that the Bopara gets the respect he deserves.

  • Tlotoxl on July 11, 2012, 6:04 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark: Cook and Bell are quality players, Cook has scored quite a few big scores at better than a run a ball and Bell is quite probably the best batsman in the England team. With 2 new balls you have to be able to play the new ball, in the 4 games this series. Englands No 7 has not batted. Having openers like Gayle is all very well and when it comes off it is great but gettting out to a wild slog for 0 3rd ball does not give the innings a good foundation does it??

  • on July 11, 2012, 5:51 GMT

    now it's clear as daylight that England in England is unbeatable!I am sure England will win ashes this year!

  • jmcilhinney on July 11, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    When Jonathan Trott was bowled, it was a concern to me to see bails flying up around the face of Matthew Wade and his wearing just a cap after the recent injury to Mark Boucher. I guess the thinking is that the chances of such an injury occurring are so small that it's worth the risk not to endure the additional restriction that wearing a helmet would require. The price may be very high though, with no guarantees of Boucher's sight not being affected, so I would think that wearing the helmet would be the way to go.

  • on July 11, 2012, 5:38 GMT

    All things considered, the brittle bowling attack, the weak middle order, the one dimensional opening partnership, the most encouraging thing for me, as an England fan, is the way it seems Clarke and his team are larking about in the field. I mean that's what my team do on a Saturday afternoon. We are probably going to lose so we 'have a laugh'. Worrying times for Australian cricket...has Clarke got the right approach?

  • Animesh_Chauhan on July 11, 2012, 5:19 GMT

    england are very good team in their home condition but the teams that win overseas are true champions, just wait on when they will come to india later this year !

  • Cpt.Meanster on July 11, 2012, 5:12 GMT

    Well played England !!! The Aussies played dull and don't deserve to even win the dead rubber. Then again this was a meaningless series so as a neutral I am disappointed at the lack of drama. I think the dead rubber fixture should be removed totally. Time for the South Africans to test their mettle on English soil. As far as England go, I think they are a strong team in 'home' conditions, also a thoroughly professional team at that. However, they are still suspect outside England, particularly in the sub continent. I can't wait for them to tour India later this year. We need to settle the talk of who's world no.1, an undisputed champion. So far it's disappointing because England have been playing only at home.

  • RednWhiteArmy on July 11, 2012, 5:05 GMT

    england is the place where the ball swings the most, so england winning at home alot shows that our batsmen & bowlers are the most technically gifted in the world...everyone else are just flat track bullies

  • anver777 on July 11, 2012, 5:00 GMT

    My prediction of a close series was wrong..... i believed at least Aus will finish the series with a win in the final ODI............. but not to be & what a pathetic display by Aussies & the way Eng played in the whole series, they deserved to be No.1 in ODI !!!!

  • SamRoy on July 11, 2012, 4:53 GMT

    The Australian cricketers need to regroup and come up with a plan or two for next year's Ashes or else, weather permitting, they are going to lose their first 3 tests in England by an innings and for the first time in many years there would be empty stands for the last two Ashes tests.

  • jmcilhinney on July 11, 2012, 4:33 GMT

    It's really hard to know what we can realistically take from this series. England certainly played to their strengths in this series and it paid off handsomely. Their bowlers looked superior as a group but some weren't always as sharp as they could be. The ground fielding was good but the catching was of a standard that will lose them games if they keep it up. The batsmen looked comfortable and, in fact, dominant but they weren't really pushed except in game 1 and never had to chase a significant score. Australia have got some serious problems. The injuries didn't help the bowlers but realistically Mackay was the only one who ever really looked threatening. The team they fielded may not be the best ODI side they are capable of selecting but even those who all Aussie fans agree belong didn't really perform, e.g. Clarke and Wade. The Australian team may not be representative of next year's Ashes but I fear the series scoreline may be.

  • Marcio on July 11, 2012, 4:15 GMT

    Despite the result, I wouldn't get anymore worked up by this than the Poms got worked up in losing 5-0 in ODIs India or 3-0 in tests vs Pakistan a couple of months ago. This was such an out of character performance from the team under Clarke - it has been performing very well in ODIs and tests - no series losses even despite playing so many away series - that it has to be seen in that context. The bashers - and this site is full of them - have their day today, but there is no reason why the team cannot continue to improve and return to the good results it has been achieving before this series. In retrospect, I think this series has been a bad idea. The team was clearly undercooked and under-motivated. It would be better to give the team a clear off-season break, rather than shoving in a series like this - which has minimal significance, other than boasting rights. The long list of injuries is further evidence that the team was under-prepared. CA will learn from the mistake, I hope.

  • RednWhiteArmy on July 11, 2012, 3:49 GMT

    Yeaaaahhh! You got OWNED australia. All them years you gave it to us, well guess what? If your gonna dish it out you better be able to take it.

    Take a bow the mighty, mighty England...The best team ever!

  • kevinpp24 on July 11, 2012, 3:43 GMT

    Brilliant effort from England to win it 4-0. One can clearly we they had a plan in every department, they unleashed five main bowlers, they racked up the top order with test quality but fielding was atrocious Aus of previous years or any good team for that matter would've made us pay. I'm sure they are better than that. Would've been a great feeling to be No.1 team in all formats but deep in my mind says England still dont deserve the No1 ranking in ODIs yet but I can clearly see them getting there in couple of years.

  • on July 11, 2012, 3:05 GMT

    well hail to another home made team lets see how good is this team when they go to the sub continent later this year the only true world champion they really ever had is w/i and australia they defeated their opponent at home and abroad unlike india and england who can boast about their victories mostly at home we will see how they do against south africa in a few weeks time

  • on July 11, 2012, 3:00 GMT

    First off England thoroughly deserved their win. Their application and professionalism gave them a convincing series win. Secondly, who in Aust cricket approved this series! We've just come off a long domestic summer vs SA, NZ, India, SL and WI and we have a huge 8 months or so of cricket coming up this summer - who honestly thought flying half way round the world to play a handful of random one day games would have any use except for making money? It was a pointless series and the Aussies played as such. They need to get home, lick their wounds and get ready for SA. We've made great progress since Clark took over and we need to get back on track. Finally i dont quite get why people are criticizing Eng for winning at home - what are they suppose to do, throw home games? Making your home turf a fortress is the first priority of any sporting team around the world.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 11, 2012, 2:41 GMT

    @Hammond on (July 11 2012, 02:20 AM GMT)....Like that!! :)

  • on July 11, 2012, 2:33 GMT

    One has to worry for Australia when their top-order batsmen make our 5th-choice spinner, the self-confessed journeyman Tredwell, look like Murali on a raging 5th day turner at Galle, & when both their coach & chief selector blithely admit that they're using an ODI series as a glorified Test trial for 'youngsters' aged upwards of 26. Didn't that kind of muddleheaded thinking end in the 90s after it became clear that it's far easier to make a decent ODI player out of a player already successful at Test level than vice versa?

  • gpm86 on July 11, 2012, 2:33 GMT

    I find it hilarious the amount of pommies getting excited and saying you gonna smash us in the ashes. I barely think this is a reflection on the ashes squad given the top 7 for ashes would be : Warner Cowan Ponting Clarke Hussey (M) Watson Wade/Paine The 3 of the top 6 in there werent involved in the one day series, along with a number of other roughies. As for bowling stocks, itll be interesting who is selected. I really hope they stay away from Johnson in tests from now on since he is quite the liability. Anyways, there is plenty of talent in Australia- just people not taking their chances. and Selection panel that struggle to select a strong team. But based on the CA contracts handed out (only 6 batsmen given contracts to 9 bowlers) Im not sure what they plan on doing. Anyways, credit to england, they have a strong team. I do think the ashes will be a much stronger battle next year. We will see!

  • Hammond on July 11, 2012, 2:20 GMT

    @RandyOz- I don't think English fans need or want another back handed compliment from you. The best compliment will be your inevitable silence after Australia get thrashed in home and away ashes series coming up next year. Happy watching.

  • redneck on July 11, 2012, 2:17 GMT

    well done to the poms, they smashed us in every facet of the game in all 4 matches!!! i dont think this is the best XI australia could put on the park but close enough to know where miles behind england in their own conditions!!! still im glad the reality check was handed out this year and not next!

  • praveen4honestremark on July 11, 2012, 1:41 GMT

    Have to admit England is playing great!! But having said that it didn't get a competitive team or would say a full strength team from opposition to play. They are just doing fine now. But i doubt whether they can continue this. Lot to ponder for England too, even though they won here. Cook and Bell, you call them openers??? I never ever thought that they would open in my wildest dreams. Openers should be like Hayden and Gilchrist if i have to say, or like Gambhir and Sehwa; aggressive i mean. These two Cook and Bell are very slow for this format of game. Once every team gets settled then it becomes tougher for England. T20 world cup is acid test for England. If they are good they will come out good from Gayle's thrashing, if not England bowlers will be thrashed like anything. Many more explosive batsman waiting there.

  • steve19191 on July 11, 2012, 1:39 GMT

    Well at last we can say goodbye to the 4th rate Aussies and welcome the Saffers.

    Can any of the aussies tell me what has happened to their team cos as far as I can see they can´t bat can´t bowl and can´t field.

    Perhaps next years ashes series should be reduced to a 3 match series cos this lot aint gonna be offering value for money for the cricket loving english supporters.

  • DanielNarayan on July 11, 2012, 1:30 GMT

    THe core problem seems to lie with batsmen concerned for their place in the side, and therefore looking to post reasonable scores with strike rates in the 70s. Unfortunately, that may patch up your place in the side but doesnt win you matches! Where is the hustle and bustle? A common theme with losing one day performances is long partnerships where neither player wants to step on the gas. C'mon, the difference with Champions is that they have self belief! I grew up watching Australia in the face of all they encountered. Spark up boys!

  • on July 11, 2012, 1:10 GMT

    I read these comments and can't help but wonder why is England being critisize for winning at home? People need to wake up if they played in timbuktu the results would be the same. inexperience and no chris Gayle is the only reason jthey won a game in the Caribbean.

  • maddy20 on July 11, 2012, 0:40 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge Lets not get too ahead of ourselves. True at home England are strong, but we know what happened in tests against Pak in Dubai and ODIs in India. Egland are strong at home and they well and truly demolished formidable opponents. But outside England we know the truth. I am eagerly looking forward to the test series against SA a side that plays awesome cricket both home and away.

  • Chris_P on July 11, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    @bigdhonifan. England only wins in England? I guess the UAE where they beat Pakistan is now sovereign to the British? On another note, kudos to the English side who performed at a high standard. The writing was on the wall for the Aussies last summer where they meandered through some ordinary performances against the Lankans & India, continuing their form against the Windies to finally get touched up by a well functioned one day side. This certainly isn't our best side, but the back ups showed nothing, and to be a top side, you need to have a closet of about 18 players playing top level to cover injuries, rests etc. Roll on the test series.

  • on July 11, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    Truth is Aus hasnt played much cricket since start of year, england has been playing series agaisnt windies. Aus are rusty and this series doesnt mean anything i bet aus thrashed them in the ashes. england are known for getting all worked and then get thrashed just like when they was talking it up and they lost 5-0 lol.

  • mikey76 on July 11, 2012, 0:21 GMT

    Yeah Randy, obviously Aus were rebuilding for 20 years when the west Indies were trouncing everyone! They'll be rebuilding for another 20 years by the looks of things. Pretty much all of your batsmen coming through wouldn't make a county XI.

  • RodStark on July 11, 2012, 0:20 GMT

    It's sad but interesting that a lot of Australia fans are placing their hopes for next year on the return of M. Hussey and ponting--two guys in their late 30s.

  • Marcio on July 11, 2012, 0:16 GMT

    @Steven Nicholson, even a cursory glance at recent cricket history indicates your dreamed-of ten year domination of Australia will more likely last ten months. Let's take a look at some recent big series wins to put it in context, shall we? AUS won the 2007 Ashes 5-0 (lost next series 1-2). AUS beat ENG 6-1 ODIs in ENG in 2008 (lost return series in ENG 1-2). AUS beat ENG 6-1 ODIs 2011 (lost 0-4 2012). IND beat AUS 2-0 2010 tests in IND (lost next series in AUS 0-4). ENG beat IND 5-0 ODIs just a few months ago at home (lost 0-5 in IND mere weeks later). Bragging rights to England - for now! Or should I say "bashing rights" judging from so many comments here?

  • landl47 on July 11, 2012, 0:06 GMT

    Here's a question which we may have to 'Ask Steven'. Has a team ever previously gone through an entire 4-game ODI series and only used 6 batsmen ? England lost 5 wickets (Kieswetter was out to the last ball of the innings), 4 wickets, 2 wickets and 3 wickets. Since the batting order was the same in every game, only 6 players altogether batted. It makes for a very odd-looking series averages list, especially as Morgan was never dismissed and therefore doesn't have an average.

  • jondavies01 on July 10, 2012, 23:58 GMT

    @bigdhonifan @Harry Greene + others ... I'm tired of reading comments like yours saying England can't win abroad. Sure we have a stronger track record at home (which team doesn't?) but we have been doing rather well abroad in the last couple of years as well. We did badly against India and Pakistan in the tests but that was just two series -- take a look at the bigger picture:

    Pakistan (UAE) 2012: England won ODIs 4-0 and T20s 2-1 Sri Lanka 2012: England drew tests 1-1 India 2011: England won T20 Australia 2010-11: England won tests 3-1 South Africa 2009-2010: England tied tests 1-1 and won ODIs 2-1

    England's current ICC rankings are no accident. I hope England continue their current winning streak so that the naysayers will have to find something else to whine about.

    Good job England! Beating Oz feels sooooooo good!

  • duralsumo on July 10, 2012, 23:48 GMT

    Congratulations England on your fine win. You outplayed Australia in every department. There is a saying a week is a long time in politics. How does this apply to cricket? Australia will now go home with their legs between their thighs having suffered a humilating defeat. We will know what we are up against and work on improving it. One year out after an easy summer this is the best medicine the team can have and will gel them tighter. We do have ability coming through and will challenge next year. Enjoy your victory England but we are coming back. And we will win back the urn eventually.

  • spickandspan on July 10, 2012, 23:47 GMT

    @bigdhonifan How many countries of late have secured away series wins against top opposition? we all know what happened when india decided to leave the Subcon last year a series draw then two absolute thrashings, equally when England went to India they got hammered in the ODI series. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

  • Rabbito on July 10, 2012, 23:45 GMT

    gotta agree with @bigdhonifan.....england are only No1 at home...away and in different conditions they're rubbish....look at the series against pakistan....totally outplayed most of the time....they've got to win home and away before you start throwing praise around like mitchell johnson bowling on a monday morning.....(or steve harmison)

  • on July 10, 2012, 23:34 GMT

    Calling England home track bullies is narrow minded here guys. Barring our dismal performance in the tests vs Pakistan in UAE, England have been dominate. Won the ODI series there and won a test in Sri Lanka. While we are not dominate abroad, we still put up a fight more than people let on.

  • CoorparooMaverick on July 10, 2012, 23:27 GMT

    Australia are in a world of hurt, there is no-one coming through in the batting stakes, it will be 3 years before they can compete with England in oz or overseas. Quite simply Eng are a cut above and enjoying the fruits of 10 years hard work, its a pity that the next golden patch for oz will probably coincide with the slide of Eng back down the rankings.

  • PunchDrunkPunter on July 10, 2012, 23:23 GMT

    Bring back Pietersen at 5 and Buttler in place of Kieswetter at 6 and as the keeper and England will have a world class, world number 1 ODI side.

  • Deep_Point on July 10, 2012, 23:17 GMT

    To (sort of) paraphrase "Tiny" Ricky Ponting, "If you look at this thrashing in the way it should be looked at, you will see that we were outclassed in every department and are a sorry looking side" Really poor effort from start to finish on this tour, seems that the "nothing left to chance" preparation that Clarke and Arthur were talking about still doesnt come close to England's meticulous approach.

  • i_witnessed_2011 on July 10, 2012, 23:04 GMT

    I think Aus are as happy as Eng today for the reason that series is over!! I felt Aus had given up before the match itself. Nothing went on their way. Only time Aus wanted to be on the game today was when rain started in second innings. Clarke stood in the middle for sometime for some reason :). Today body language of Aus were like India team on last visit to England. Both were sesperate to go back. Both teams took Watson's pre-series comment seriously. Eng did their best to not to expose their No.7 and Aus exposed their no7 through out the series. Congrats to England team. Bell,Bopara are +ves. for Aus, As captain admitted +ve point is the wake up call they got. (I thought bell was ringing since a year!)

  • bigdhonifan on July 10, 2012, 22:54 GMT

    England only wins in England.. Come out , then you will taste the whitewash!!!

  • on July 10, 2012, 22:51 GMT

    England is a home bully. They will not have the same success in warmer conditions

  • on July 10, 2012, 22:45 GMT

    we hammered u australia....get use to this ! we will dominate u for the next 5-10 years !!!! ahhhhh it feels good :)

  • RandyOZ on July 10, 2012, 22:36 GMT

    A lot of complaints about no credit being given to England. Credit where credit is due though; they have poached themselves into the position of possibly the best side in the world in home conditions. As with the rest of cricket history though, a side is only ever dominant when Australia is rebuilding.

  • on July 10, 2012, 22:36 GMT

    England have been clinical once again, and even they have some work to do. I was actually against this series, but with the team England fielded it's clear that they treated every game played (except the washout at Brum) as a warm-up towards South Africa in 9 days time. Australia looked out of season and weren't as fit as they would like to have been, but take nothing away from England and the team selection. Australia might as well kiss their #1 rank goodbye. What this does mean is that the England vs South Africa series will be a tussle for the #1 spot in both Test (#1 VS #2 respectively) and ODIs (#3 VS #2 respectively), and that's a mouth-watering prospect for any Cricket fan, be they impartial or otherwise. Now if only the rain would play fair and stop spoiling our already damp and miserable summer...

  • glance_to_leg on July 10, 2012, 22:33 GMT

    I have been defending Australia, but, even given the conditions, this was an abject display. As a one off it would not matter, but what was disturbing was not a want of talent, but a want of application and character that seemed to become more and more evident as the series progressed. This sort of performance is not what I associate with Australian teams, which I usually think of as embodying a hatred of losing. This lot seem to lack grit. I hope they draw a line under this series, identify a group of talented and strong (ie not likely to break down) youngish players, throw in a few seasoned campaigners, and start planning for the future. I love to see a victorious England, but I want to see hard-fought games, not limp capitulation.

  • landl47 on July 10, 2012, 22:25 GMT

    Well, Praveen4honestremark, let's have an 'honest remark' about this series, in which you predicted before each game that Australia would win.

  • Carpathian on July 10, 2012, 22:21 GMT

    @MenFromMarts Despite repeatedly and undeservingly being handed opportunities to perform for Tasmania, Krejza has demonstrated that he's not even as good as Doherty in either form of the game. Krejza once took a load of Indian wickets AFTER a massive score had already been obtained, and has not done anything of note since; totally and utterly overrated by those who haven't followed his 'progress'.

  • Rabbito on July 10, 2012, 22:13 GMT

    shows how much we need hussy, dunno how the selectors ever thought of dropping him....im tipping he'll be still palying when hes 40....still, i rekon the test side would do better than this side has...and i reckon madinnson & O'keefe deserve a go @ ODI....

  • on July 10, 2012, 22:10 GMT

    I saw some of that game on TV and it looked like they played in Winter everyone wearing coats, jackets, jumpers, hoods, hats and bringing and using umbrellas, British weather is very interesting but congrats to England for thrashing Australia 4-0.

  • on July 10, 2012, 22:06 GMT

    Australia watch out: South Africa and England are hot on the heels of the no.1 ranking. India are the world champions. How are you gonna win the world cup if you put in performances like this? You won the 2003 world cup without Shane Warne. Forrest, Wade and Smith are a complete joke. Hilfenhaus can either be very good at test level or simply bowling at inferior batting lineups or feeling the loss of McDermott. Doherty's test career was ended by the English and the same could happen for his ODI career. Johnson keeps on trash talking and doesn't get a game. Pattinson is a rising superstar-only in tests or against inferior batting lineups. Plenty to digest for Australia. Well done England, you finally found consistency after a 5-0 beating by India.

  • on July 10, 2012, 22:06 GMT

    EVERYONE from the chief executive to the janitor connected with Australian cricket should go home an have a good look at themselves.This was a pathetic display of cricket being played.No fight,no desire,no spirit what so ever i am ashamed to be called Australian now.

  • subbass on July 10, 2012, 22:02 GMT

    Congrats to England. Looking a very good 50 over team now and lets face it, we would have won 5-0 if the 3rd game had not been rained off. Oh well we have moved above the great Indian team ! Now in equal 2nd place with SA. Lets win the Tests and the 5 match ODI series. Do that and we WILL rule the world.

    (publish plz)

  • johnnycash on July 10, 2012, 21:58 GMT

    The plan has worked. England has been lured into our trap with a false sense of security. Seriously, we have been outplayed from the start. Well done England. Obviously one-dayers aren't the be-all of cricket(thank someone), but looking forward to the ashes next year when i may be over for a day or two. I wouldn't read too much into this 5 match series, the test series against SA in Australia this summer will be more of a guide to next summer in England. Their is a lot of cricket to be played between now and then.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 10, 2012, 21:43 GMT

    Smith looks like the Joker in batman and bowls like a penguin with cramp. I think McKay looks good and it's a shame Clarke can't bowl more, the less said about the batsmen the better, I do think Aussie was a bit undercooked for the series but didn't seem to improve.

  • jackthelad on July 10, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    This Australia side would struggle in the county championship, there is - shall we say - need for some radical rethinking before they can be taken seriously again.

  • MenFromMarts on July 10, 2012, 21:41 GMT

    Off spin is an issue for Australia. Xavier Doherty is obviously not in the same class as his international opposites. Lyon, Hauritz, Krezja all have stronger claims than X. Wade does not look comfortable in England. Haddin or Paine now come back into contention. Mike Hussey was missed - it should prove a point to selectors that experience is invaluable.

  • SirViv1973 on July 10, 2012, 21:32 GMT

    Well another comfortable win hopefully we will keep it going through the SAF series. Fairplay to Randy oz who has continued posting on here despite his team's dismal showing (even though he still won't admit Eng are the better team) which is more than I can say about Jonsey2. Haven't seen a single post from him on any board relating to this series. However I noticed he has still been posting on the Aussie domestic boards. Jonsey I think it's time to give us poms a bit of credit.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 10, 2012, 21:31 GMT

    The whitewash is complete, and England just prove yet again how many years ahead they are of Australia, They certainly look like the Number 1 side in the world in all formats of the game now. As the best test side in the world, it's special to think how much work they've done to get to where they have in ODI cricket, the format long considered by English fans to be a poor second to the real form of the game. Now no one doubts their One-Day credentials, no one doubts they're better than Australia in ODI's, and they've made Australia look completely ridiculous. Take a bow England, top of the world.

  • MartinC on July 10, 2012, 21:27 GMT

    4-0 and another very comfortable win for England. Very poor performance by Oz over the full series. As an Emgland fan clearly I'm delighted but I can't believe this is the best batting that Australia have to offer in ODIs. The bowling has been better than the batting but even then there has been no penetration. I think I am right in saying they have not taken more than 4 wickets in a match in the whole series and that's not good enough.

    England now above India in the ODI rankings which will delight our friends from the sub continent. We are level with SA on points in the rankings and just behind Australia.

  • on July 10, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Australia best get used to losing just like England did in the 90's and early 00's as i don't see them winning the Ashes again for at least another 10 years, if i was an Aussie fan i'd really hope some of these players in the ODI side aren't their long term future as they look barely good enough to play club cricket.

  • Doogius on July 10, 2012, 21:12 GMT

    Another classic captains knock. Well worth the $3M a year we're paying him and yes, @Daz, Smith probably is the best no. 5 in Oz at the moment, and thats truly scary...

  • jezmondo on July 10, 2012, 21:08 GMT

    Ricky ponting, randyOz, skippy, Julia Gillard (welsh) jonesy2, flipper, merv hughes, justin langer, olivia newton john, mel gibson your boys are taking one helluva beating.......

  • Gary_the_Pom on July 10, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    Wheres a Mervo comment this morning, i need a good laugh.

  • maddy20 on July 10, 2012, 19:18 GMT

    A top class performance from the no.1 ranked ODI side, as they are all set for a 4-0 whitewash!

  • Adoh on July 10, 2012, 18:39 GMT

    Wow. Just when you thought Australia couldn't do any worse. Very dissapointing effort. A few quick questions...How much international playing experience does Inverarity, the cheif selector have? How can it be demonstrated that he is effective as a selector? What are the batting averages of the Australian top 6 since the appointment of Justin Langer, compared to say the previous 5 years? How is the selection of Bailey, Forrest and Smith justified in terms of on-field results from domestic performances compared with the actual top 3 performers with the bat?

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 10, 2012, 18:22 GMT

    You can't tell until both sides have had a bat but Aussies look clueless.

  • SLAZV600 on July 10, 2012, 18:01 GMT

    I think Ravi Bopara is nailing home the No 6 position in the first Test!

  • DazTaylor on July 10, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    Steven Smith batting at 5. Are Australia really that short of talent? Seriously? Smith at five?!?! Oh dear. The next few years are going to involve a lot of losses I feel for Australia.

  • DazTaylor on July 10, 2012, 17:45 GMT

    Oh dear. England do their best to help Australia by dropping dolly after dolly, yet Australia are so incompetent they fail to capitalise. Some comical run outs and disciplined bowling mean the Aussies look like being humbled. Again.

  • on July 10, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    The only way Australia wins this match is if Wasrne and McGrath bowl.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 10, 2012, 16:45 GMT

    Australia wins this game. Players to watch out: Doherty, Hilfy, Clarke

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  • praveen4honestremark on July 10, 2012, 16:45 GMT

    Australia wins this game. Players to watch out: Doherty, Hilfy, Clarke

  • on July 10, 2012, 17:40 GMT

    The only way Australia wins this match is if Wasrne and McGrath bowl.

  • DazTaylor on July 10, 2012, 17:45 GMT

    Oh dear. England do their best to help Australia by dropping dolly after dolly, yet Australia are so incompetent they fail to capitalise. Some comical run outs and disciplined bowling mean the Aussies look like being humbled. Again.

  • DazTaylor on July 10, 2012, 17:57 GMT

    Steven Smith batting at 5. Are Australia really that short of talent? Seriously? Smith at five?!?! Oh dear. The next few years are going to involve a lot of losses I feel for Australia.

  • SLAZV600 on July 10, 2012, 18:01 GMT

    I think Ravi Bopara is nailing home the No 6 position in the first Test!

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 10, 2012, 18:22 GMT

    You can't tell until both sides have had a bat but Aussies look clueless.

  • Adoh on July 10, 2012, 18:39 GMT

    Wow. Just when you thought Australia couldn't do any worse. Very dissapointing effort. A few quick questions...How much international playing experience does Inverarity, the cheif selector have? How can it be demonstrated that he is effective as a selector? What are the batting averages of the Australian top 6 since the appointment of Justin Langer, compared to say the previous 5 years? How is the selection of Bailey, Forrest and Smith justified in terms of on-field results from domestic performances compared with the actual top 3 performers with the bat?

  • maddy20 on July 10, 2012, 19:18 GMT

    A top class performance from the no.1 ranked ODI side, as they are all set for a 4-0 whitewash!

  • Gary_the_Pom on July 10, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    Wheres a Mervo comment this morning, i need a good laugh.

  • jezmondo on July 10, 2012, 21:08 GMT

    Ricky ponting, randyOz, skippy, Julia Gillard (welsh) jonesy2, flipper, merv hughes, justin langer, olivia newton john, mel gibson your boys are taking one helluva beating.......