England v Australia, NatWest Series, Old Trafford

Clarke digests first series loss

Daniel Brettig at Old Trafford

July 10, 2012

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Michael Clarke was left with plenty to think about, England v Australia, 5th ODI, Old Trafford, July 10, 2012
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Australia's captain Michael Clarke is digesting the first series defeat of his reign, and its nature cannot go down easily. Clarke's team was kicked around Old Trafford as England completed a 4-0 victory, the heaviest defeat of an Australian ODI side in any bilateral series in the 41-year history of limited overs internationals.

The tourists were given still more reason to recall the tour unhappily by a hamstring injury to David Hussey, preventing him from fielding in the seven-wicket defeat. Clarke said the series reflected a wider problem in the team's limited-overs cricket over the period of his captaincy, given that it had been preceded by battling series victories over Sri Lanka and South Africa away, before a triangular series win at home and a tied encounter in the Caribbean.

However he would not countenance the result as a "wake-up call" to the national side generally, given how strongly the Test team's results had improved over Clarke's tenure. "It's a completely different team, completely different format so I don't want to compare the Test team with the one-day team," Clarke said. "It's a reminder, not a wake-up call. We knew through the Australian summer we weren't playing anywhere near as good a cricket as we needed to be against Sri Lanka and India.

"We went to the West Indies and just got over the line there so it's not like this is the first series where we haven't played as well as we'd like. Our one-day cricket hasn't been as consistent as it needs to be if we want to stay at the top of the table. Hence how close the first, second, third and fourth are on the rankings points now. We've got a lot of work to do as a one-day team."

The ODI side has been used as a way of providing opportunities for numerous players to press their claims for other formats. Some like George Bailey have shown tentative progress, but others like Peter Forrest and Steve Smith are now struggling to justify their selection, developmental or otherwise.

"It's certainly not about opportunity. We're giving plenty of guys the opportunity to grab it with both hands," Clarke said. "There's a few players that haven't experienced these conditions so that was a good taste of it. Against good opposition in international sport you've just got to find a way to win, whether it's with the bat, with the ball in the field. Good teams do that, they'll be down or they'll lose the first match of the series, but they'll find a way to turn it around, and we haven't been good enough to do that so that's an area we have to improve.

"We need to play better cricket. We need to sit down as a team and have a look at our performances over the last 12 months and areas we need to get better. It certainly wasn't preparation. I thought our training was outstanding and we played some really good cricket in the couple of warm-up games but we have no excuses.

"I think a lot of credit needs to go to England as well. They've outplayed us in all four matches, they've been very consistent, their bowlers have bowled with good patience and discipline and their batters have made runs. We haven't done both. We didn't have anybody make a big score as a batter, we lost a lot of early wickets throughout the series and we didn't execute our skills as well as you need to."

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Posted by JG2704 on (July 13, 2012, 21:13 GMT)

@5wombats on (July 13 2012, 08:24 AM GMT) Actually I think WI are slightly behind India in the T20 rankings too.A shame they couldn't squeeze another T20 in vs that very weak NZ side. I do actually find it quite mind boggling at times how folk remember the Ind (OD) whitewash and Pak test whitewash but forget the Eng 4-0 win in UAE. I even just went on the womens ODI thread and one or 2 were at it there saying Eng can't win a match without rain. One guy said India lost the mens ODI series in England to rain? It's quite strange I've looked at all the ICC rankings tables and could not see "Rain" listed anywhere. I thought Rain would be above England in all 3 formats. PS I like these posters who say "only good in own conditions" like they've discovered a new theory .... BTW I've just invented a round wheel. Please publish

Posted by Meety on (July 13, 2012, 21:13 GMT)

@5wombats - can't wait for the showdown, the cricket will be good too!

Posted by 5wombats on (July 13, 2012, 16:54 GMT)

@Meety you know what - you've graduated. With your absolute lack of excuses re; 4-0 you have just joined the elite group of Australian posters that I would buy a drink for. In your case - a midi...... Ha ha! See you next year :-)

Posted by 5wombats on (July 13, 2012, 8:24 GMT)

@ JG2704 on (July 12 2012, 08:25 AM GMT) LOL - your reply to @dariuscorny! Never mind india crashing from 1st to 4th in the Test rankings in just 9 months; The funny part is indias T20i Ranking - do you know who are the 2 teams immediately below india in the T20 ranking table? .... Ireland and then Afghanistan...!! Wonderful things aren't they - facts.

Posted by   on (July 13, 2012, 8:08 GMT)

hey guys the problem for all cricketting side s are more or less same ,They are superior at home and slaughted abroad,Its not conclused just to India even Australia and England feeling the same.Australia World No 1 ODI side clobbered in England and England World best Test side Anihaletd by Pakistan in dubai and drubbed India in India in ODI

Posted by Meety on (July 13, 2012, 0:28 GMT)

@OzzyHammond- saw your slip up on the on (July 11 2012, 23:56 PM GMT) - "Would WE be allowed to gloat then?". Apart from the fact I don't have to "better admit" anything, I have no qualms about the selectors having far more knowledge about cricketing matters than myself. That matter does not preclude me from having an opinion (although unfortunate that @zenboomerang thinks that any opinion is fine as long as it is his). The "best we got" comment can be taken from many different angles, & the context of the article was in relation to tests. There have been recent articles on this very website that have suggested that there were better "qualified" ODI players (in particular batsmen), not selected. BTW Ferguson averages 60+ in ODIs in Eng @ a S/R over 90. I have said that I support the theory behind the selection policies of late, just theory is not working in practise. Also - I have acknowledged England's superiority thru-out this series, so I have no excuses.

Posted by 5wombats on (July 12, 2012, 21:46 GMT)

@landl47 Agreed about that famous Test & ODI hater cpt.meanster and all the other snipers. They took a beating they'll never forget in England and even while it was happening - they were forgetting it. They said it was a "fluke". Then they went to Australia full of the joys of Spring proclaiming that it was a "fluke" that England beat Aus, and that Aus were "there for the taking" (LOL). Then Aus handed india another beating that they'll never forget and they promptly forgot that too. Suddenly and mysteriously many indian fans became Pakistan fans when we were taking a beating in the UAE Tests, but most just as quickly disappeared when we started winning the ODIs. They claim England "can't win in the subcontinent" - which must mean that Sri Lanka is not in the sub-continent. And when England lost the Tests in the UAE - the UAE was in the sub-continent - but when England won the ODIs there, suddenly - it wasn't. A desperate group of people in a state of panic, hope is all they have.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 12, 2012, 21:38 GMT)

@ shrastogi on (July 12 2012, 19:02 PM GMT) To be fair to the Australians they are almost certainly better than what they showed here and Australia did also win the ODI series in SA. Maybe they're on a downward spiral but it could just be a blip. They were I believe undefeated in ODIs series for a few years and unbeaten in tests since the last Ashes series.

Posted by shrastogi on (July 12, 2012, 19:02 GMT)

If you've played in invincible Aussie teams of yore the arrogance is bound to be there. The sooner you realise harsh reality the better you would cope with it. English one day side in England has been playing very good cricket especially their bowlers but look at what Watson was quoted before the series begin. He said Wade at 7 gives them edge without giving due respect to English bowlers. That is arrogance without realising strength of opposition. You have tied a series with WI, beaten an Indian side ,which rarely plays well in Australia & SA and was burdened with out of form players - demoralised due to 4-0 test whitewash & overaged Tendulkar, at home and struggled to beat SL even there. Your new batsmen except Warner hasnt set any field on fire so the reality was harsh. Now I dont see a top place remaining with Australia but with new players you should hope to be 2 or 3 and then hope to build. You may still do ok on flat pitches but in conditions bowler enjoy you have to work hard.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 12, 2012, 12:31 GMT)

@ dariuscorny - PS , I didn't say England were a brilliant side did I?

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 12, 2012, 9:06 GMT)

@Hammond... Quoting Inverarity as the only source for selection is inappropriate - there are 5 selectors with Clarke having the biggest say... Also the selectors are not worrying about the Oz ODI/T20 teams to their detriment - as our standings show... Still unlike Meety, I do not profess to have a FC record, nor being a top indoor cricketer, a CEO of a 1st class cricket club, nor do I self promote myself as a guru on this website among many other things... Try google, they are funny...

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 12, 2012, 8:48 GMT)

@Hammond... Try some analysis on our team - even before selection... Forrest has none of the cred's that Voges, Ferguson, Cooper has in OD cricket... Smith got dropped the 1st time for a very good reason (needs more FC cricket) & Christian, Marsh are atm better allrounders... Johnson coming back from a long spell, needs much more cricket before national selection - Starc has been in good form... Pattinson doesn't have the smarts yet, while Harris has an excellent ODI record while McDermott was one of our best OD'er bowlers last summer in Oz... Cummins doesn't have any experience while Faulkner, Butterworth would have been much better suited to Eng conditions (remember Alderman?)...

Posted by JG2704 on (July 12, 2012, 8:25 GMT)

@dariuscorny on (July 12 2012, 06:03 AM GMT) Here we go with the "Mark My Words" syndrome. Let's be real about this , even if England loses all it's matches between now and the end of the year we're not sinking right to the bottom are we? India possibly will overtake us again in the ODI rankings , in tests and T20s it's highly unlikely. And maybe India always had been above Eng in the rankings but they're not now are they?

Posted by bouncedout on (July 12, 2012, 8:21 GMT)

@RandyOZ

Sour grapes my friend, sour grapes. England are where Aus want to be, so just admit it.

We have better players, a better coach, better discipline....i could go on

England may lose to SA but that is because SA are a very good side....Australia are not. However, if England win then all us Poms wil be expecting an apology.

No one loses like an Aussie...ha ha brilliant

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (July 12, 2012, 6:27 GMT)

@JG2704 What u said is O.K. but Aussies are in a different direction.

Posted by dariuscorny on (July 12, 2012, 6:03 GMT)

@ JG2704 Eng above in rankings in odis that does not mean Eng are brilliant side.infact Ind has always been above you and this position (of England)wudnt last for long as they will sink to the bottom very soon by this year ends.mark my WORDS

Posted by Hammond on (July 12, 2012, 3:39 GMT)

@Meety- welcome back son. I disagree totally that Australia didn't have it's best side available, even Inverarity admitted that they were playing "the best we've got" and unless Australia are going to sack every selector every time a series is lost you'd better also admit that Australia currently has the best selectors available too. If you want a better excuse than the ones already supplied, then I think a big difference was the two new balls, which allowed England to play basically a 50 over form of test cricket, 4 prong pace attack, ball coming onto the middle order, no reverse swing, the whole works. BTW still anything to say about my nationality?

Posted by Meety on (July 11, 2012, 23:55 GMT)

@5wombats - actually I believe Marcio is right in regards excuses after & during the 6-1 loss. Not checked for certain, pretty sure from you there was tired, series went on too long, tour to long, disinetrested & not full strength & my personal favourite - the luck is with Oz (that one I do remember vividly). That's regardless of whether it was 2nd prize or not & despite a W/Cup looming at the time. In regards this series, we was spanked, England can only beat what is in front of them. I don't believe it was our best ODI side, it was selected for multi purposes, that being said I expected that team to win. I expected the team to win for 2 reasons - thinking (wrongly) that England will forever suck in ODIs, & that we would be better performed than in the WIndies (also wrongly).

Posted by landl47 on (July 11, 2012, 21:45 GMT)

@Marcio: I don't want it both ways. This series was meaningless, the 2011 series was meaningless, the 2010 series was meaningless, the 2009 series was meaningless and the 2006 series was meaningless. It's you who dredges up the 2011 series as evidence of Australia's 'superiority'. The series which matter are the Ashes test series. Australia was invincible in Ashes series for 16 years, from 1989 to 2005. Since then, England has won 3 out of 4, including inflicting 3 innings defeats in 2010/11. If there is, as you say, a very strong trend in world cricket towards home advantage, that makes England's victory even more decisive. Unless and until I see some evidence that Australia has closed the gap, I believe that England remains the better team. This series provided no evidence to the contrary, did it?

Posted by JG2704 on (July 11, 2012, 19:59 GMT)

@TheBengalTiger on (July 11 2012, 17:26 PM GMT) No one was even talking about India until Indian fans start coming on our threads trying to either belittle Australia or England or both. Being that both England and Australia are currently BOTH ahead of your team in the official rankings in ALL 3 formats it might be time for keeping quiet.

Posted by 5wombats on (July 11, 2012, 19:51 GMT)

@Marcio on (July 11 2012, 11:54 AM GMT) - I'm smiling. See you next year! :-)

Posted by TheBengalTiger on (July 11, 2012, 17:26 GMT)

I love how everyone is reminding Indian fans that we lost against England and Australia. Er, we noticed. We remember. England fans spend so much time talkking about India losing that they seem to have forgotten that they got whiteashed by both Pakistan and India. India have had two poor series. Before that we plade brilliantly in Australia, beat England in England, played brilliantly in South Africa. England, on the other hand, rarely put up a good fight in the subcontinent. Focus on your own team England fans

Posted by samincolumbia on (July 11, 2012, 17:22 GMT)

@Mikey76 -Yes, India is not good anywhere...only good enough to win the World Cup!! lol. India has been whitewashing England every time they play in India...see ya next winter for more of the same.

Posted by TheBengalTiger on (July 11, 2012, 17:18 GMT)

mikey76- we havent lost at home in a test match since 2005. So clearly we are good at home. yorkshire pudding- they coped terribly. Which I and every Indian fan will be the first to admit. land 47- we also saw England get thrashed in India 5-0 and PAkistan in the test series 3-0. England have shown they can only play in familier conditions. Which is the state of every team in world right now. Difference is, England seem to act like they are brilliant wherever they go. Which clearly they are not

Posted by mikey76 on (July 11, 2012, 16:12 GMT)

@thebengaltiger. You're not good anywhere! See you next winter. Not sure how you're going to get any wickets. Randyoz. More stuff to beat you with over the next six months. Keep it coming.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 11, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

@TheBengalTiger, and just how did India's superstar cricketers cope with english conditions.....

Posted by ajayrcs on (July 11, 2012, 14:01 GMT)

Sinhaya, Ponting is the core of Australian cricket otherwise it will be lifeless. You can see in this series no one was watching it and either they are not even winning it.

Posted by Marcio on (July 11, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

@landl47, you Poms can't have it both ways. You want to draw all sorts of deep conclusions from the current series - which so many of you dismissed as "meaningless" at the start - but you then want to pretend that the last series - where you were humiliated in equal measure, and others you lost - don't matter. The logic is clear. the games you lose "aren't really real", but the games you win are "really, REALLY real." LOL, as they say. Reality check. They are all real. You show up, you play, you get a result. Period. You can't pick and choose which games matter after the series are over to satisfy the whims of the human ego. There is a very strong trend in world cricket towards home ground advantage. It's so obvous it cannot be denied. Eng beat IND 5-0, then weeks later lost 0-5 to the same team away. AUS beat you 6-1 last time, this time ENG won 4-0. Now you want to pretend that only the games you won count. 4-0 is eternal superiority, but 1-6 is neither here nor there. Yes, I get it.

Posted by ajayrcs on (July 11, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

If i am not wrong this is a first series loss for Australia without single match win in series after 1997 which was under captaincy of Mark taylor\ Waugh. Why anyone is not pointing at Clarke captaincy?

Posted by landl47 on (July 11, 2012, 12:53 GMT)

@Cpt. Meanster and all the other "England can only win at home' Indian fans: the truth is, you are clinging desperately to the HOPE that England can't win in India. You've seen England beat Pakistan 4-0 in the UAE; you've seen India lose in the Asia Cup. Dravid's gone, Tendulkar is 39, Sehwag and Zaheer will be 34 and are both having fitness problems, Laxman's finished. The bowling is in disarray- for the first time I can remember, India has no world-class spinner and the young quicks aren't working out. England has a well-balanced and efficient side, not flashy stars but capable players. All you have left is 'England can't win in India'. If that's gone, you have nothing. I'm not a psychic, so I don't know whether England will win in India, but I think there's a good chance of it. If they do- what then?

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 11, 2012, 12:51 GMT)

@Marcio, in regards to the 6-1 loss, we had to throw your guys a bone, and make them feel a little happier after demoishing them in the main event by 3 innings wins.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 11, 2012, 12:47 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster, SA are aa strong team away from home, the problem is they're bad at Home.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 11, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

It was good to see MJ back in form yesterday, oh, wait..........

Posted by TheBengalTiger on (July 11, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

You have to love English fans. Got whitewashed by Pakistan and India, and acting like you're the best around. You're only good at home.

Posted by whatawicket on (July 11, 2012, 12:13 GMT)

i dont go over board when we win and post little when we lose, but i do post on numerous non english cricketing topics.but what i do, is remember what previous posters have said. randy/jonesy you should do the same. whats worse, then not posting is thinking that just you can be right.but the the plain facts tell the truth.

Posted by landl47 on (July 11, 2012, 11:58 GMT)

@Marcio: you keep dragging out the 6-1 post-Ashes ODI series in 2009 and 2011 as though they meant something. It would make just as much (or as little) sense for an England fan to point out that England beat Aus 2-0 in the final of the triangular ODI tournament after the 2005/6 Ashes and claim that meant England were a better ODI team than Australia at the time. Aus has played England in two stand-alone ODI series in the last 5 years and England has won both; 3-2 in 2010 and now this series. Not only that, but England just beat WI 2-0 (after Aus had to win the last ODI against them to tie the series) and before that beat Pakistan, who won the Asia Cup this year, 4-0 in UAE. I'm not claiming this is a great England ODI team, but it is a pretty good one and certainly better than Australia at the moment. It's not just the wins, but how easy they were that makes that clear.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

Whatever Australia does, they lost the ashes in 2005, only to redeem themselves by whitewashing England 5-0, before losing the next 2. What sort of remedy has Clarke and Arthur got now? Great bowling depth who can't even bowl out the English and who far too often get injured. Maybe if Australia lose to SA and SL, there could be another Argus review, which won't solve anything.

Posted by Marcio on (July 11, 2012, 11:54 GMT)

@5wombats "See you next year for Round 3". Will be looking forward to it, old friend. Bragging rights to you and your mates... for the time being ;-)

Posted by landl47 on (July 11, 2012, 11:46 GMT)

@allblue: It's great to say that Austrlia needs a 'tough nut' to be captain, but whom did you have in mind? Is there a tough nut who is worth his place in the team? I don't see one. Clarke's by far the best choice as captain- there's really no-one else.

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 11, 2012, 11:27 GMT)

Seems all the poms have come out of hiding hilarious to see. They'll soon be back in their shell when SA trounces them. As I said not a good team just a poorly coached and selected Australian one.

Posted by applethief on (July 11, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster @Tom_Bowler You're probably right, it may be more useful to talk about who are the worst tourists right now rather than the best. In the current atmosphere, as Pakistan only play away, it would be fair to say they are competitive abroad, but South Africa are the one side that excels on tour. India's troubles will be masked by an extended home-season over the coming 2 years. England will have it all to prove when they tour the sub-continent next. @5wombats, if you're going for a 30-year time frame, why is it Round 3? Surely you mean Round 15? Is that because the picture isn't so rosy? And unsurprisingly, Doherty petered out this series, I think it'd be a wise move to drop him and look for a better spinner.

Posted by 5wombats on (July 11, 2012, 11:11 GMT)

@JG2704 - Mr meanster is having a laugh. Some people are so paranoid aren't they? Even the ones who claim they hate Test and ODI cricket. And what's this; "no team can boast that it is better than the rest". Well - that didn't stop india fans boasting when they beat us in the ODI's in india and india fans gloating when Pakistan beat us in the Tests in the UAE did it?

Posted by Hippiantor on (July 11, 2012, 11:02 GMT)

@RedWhiteArmy might I add the most successful team in cricket history?

Posted by JG2704 on (July 11, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

@allblue on (July 11 2012, 08:02 AM GMT) I'd say Clarke is a very tough nut indeed , but purely hasn't had the tools to work with that previous captains had. I'd say he has done extremely well to steady the Australian ship. I believe that since the Ashes series Aus had gone unbeaten in both tests and ODIs until this one

Posted by JG2704 on (July 11, 2012, 10:33 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster on (July 11 2012, 05:16 AM GMT) Where does Hammond mention (or even intimate about) India in his post?

Posted by bouncedout on (July 11, 2012, 10:31 GMT)

@RandyOZ You predicted a 5-0 win for Aus after you knew who was in the squad.

Now they have lost 4-0 it is simply because the selectors have picked the wrong players....

I would hazard a guess that the selectors know a little more about picking a squad than a keyboard warrior like yourself who clearly cannot accept his team being outplayed by a vastly superior England team

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (July 11, 2012, 9:54 GMT)

Australia....The most over rated team in cricket history

Posted by   on (July 11, 2012, 9:39 GMT)

This is all selector's fault. Selectors dropped Ricky Ponting and this is now the consequences the selectors face. Need a change of selectors here. If they don't do it within 3 years then in 2015,like in 1992 WC, Australia will again be knocked out of the group stage.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (July 11, 2012, 9:25 GMT)

RandyOz predicted it would be 5-0 before the series..! Even though he knew the team...why does this not surprise me? Always so far from reality in his comments, typical form continues for him. Beginning by stating that England are far better than Australia might be a start Randy.

Posted by 5wombats on (July 11, 2012, 9:06 GMT)

@Marcio on (July 11 2012, 08:34 AM GMT) - ha! Love this! 5 straight faces actually. TBH if you remember, and I'm sure you do - we didn't give a stuff about the 6-1 ODI series. You know why? Because - we won The Ashes in style and Aus went off with second prize. That's fine - win ODI series anytime you like - so long as England wins The Ashes, who cares about ODIs? In 30 years no-one will remember that 6-1 - but they WILL remember that famous England Ashes series win. I suspect you know this. See you next year for Round 3? :-)

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (July 11, 2012, 9:03 GMT)

I think it is 10 to 15 year cycle. Aussies had peak when Gilly, Hayden, Waugh's, MaGrath, Warne around. It is going down now it takes another 4 to 5 years to come to top. We have seen the same like WI, ENG, IND and SL. PAK are always unpredictable.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (July 11, 2012, 8:56 GMT)

@RandyOZ on (July 11 2012, 07:29 AM GMT), and yet you knew exactly who was playing when you made your prediction of a 5-0 result to Australia and told us that they were "coming to get us". It seems that the selectors just need to pick everyone who you said needed to be axed less than a year ago and everything will be rosy, right? By the way, I think that calling up Starc being called "depth" would require that those who went before him had actually had some success. Mackay and Starc: the great pace battery averaging 150 clicks.

Posted by Marcio on (July 11, 2012, 8:41 GMT)

Aussie 5566 "Mr.Ponting; Your team is falling after your lost." The truth? No it's not. It has lost ONE series in the last ten under Clarke, since Ponting retired as captain. 70% of those games away from home, 70% winning rate for series. How do people so quickly lose perspective? After a little series like this which had little riding on it but boasting rights? It is truly beyond me.

Posted by Marcio on (July 11, 2012, 8:34 GMT)

@5wombats, did you just write that with a straight face? You dismissed England's 6-1 whitewash in the last series because of X, Y,Z excuses, now you are berating another poster for doing the same here.

Posted by bouncedout on (July 11, 2012, 8:29 GMT)

Save for dropping a few catches England have played beautifully in this one day series. They are simply a better side and squad than Australia.

Andy Flower is the best coach in world cricket. The competitive atmosphere he has created throughout the English game is a joy to behold. Just see the example of the rarely picked Tredwell who came in and showed more ability and desire than any of the Aus bowlers.

I for one am looking forward to the next Ashes, but not as much as the one after in Australia......

Posted by allblue on (July 11, 2012, 8:02 GMT)

As for the skipper, Clarke's on-field tactical acumen has impressed me, but is he the right man for the job now? Possibly not, what the Aussies need at this time is a tough-nut, as Hussein was for England and Border was for Aus who recognises he hasn't got a team of world beaters so you start with the basics, make the team hard to beat and build from there. 'Rebuilding' is an easy word to throw around, but as a process it is long and difficult and there will be setbacks along the way. The first step is acknowledging the current status quo, and accepting that there will be bad days as experienced in this series. Most of all it requires patience, particularly from the supporters.

Posted by allblue on (July 11, 2012, 8:01 GMT)

I think a change in mindset is needed in Aussie cricket, particularly from the fans. The great side, and it was a truly great side, has long gone and Aus are now back down with the mortals. The fact is they are a pretty ordinary side these days and some new foundations need to be dug. I know it is the Aussie way to talk up their young players, but I think at this time it is counter-productive. A promising 19 year old bowler is just that - promising. They need time to develop and learn about what it takes at the highest level, heaping expectations on young shoulders can hinder or even destroy that potential. Four ODIs where England's no. 7 didn't get a bat, in damp and seamer-friendly conditions shows they have a long way to go yet. Maybe in time Cummins, Starc et al will come through as top quality international bowlers but that will take time, patience and a healthy dose of realism from all concerned.

Posted by Aussie5566 on (July 11, 2012, 7:41 GMT)

Selection is completely wrong. Forrest can't fill the PONTING's position anyway. What selectors can say now? PONTING,HUSSEY needy here. Small teams like Canada can play mush better than this. Selectors removed Ponting with their pride but now they must try to find some place to hide. AUSSIES will downfall with these SELECTORS. This kind of worst lost after 40 years, Ponting captained for a long time but never happened such a shame. He lost CWC 2011 though he played greatly but all errors done by selectors. Mr.Ponting; Your team is falling after your lost. That's the thing selectors wanted to see.

Posted by 5wombats on (July 11, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

@popcorn -"Not the season for cricket"! Give it up. Australia traditionally come to England in May or June for The Ashes every 4 years and play the series in June-July-August. Is this "not the season for cricket"? Never used to be "not the season for cricket" when Australia were winning The Ashes here. What's changed @popcorn? What a pathetic excuse. When England came to Australia in November 2010 that was "not the season for cricket" in England either, and we all know what happened after that. 2001 was the last time Australia came to England and won an Ashes series (in a season that was "not the season for cricket"...) - and that happy memory for you is just going to get further and further away..... please publish.

Posted by Tom_Bowler on (July 11, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

I'm sure this must be a fairly bitter pill for the Aussies to swallow but I wouldn't read too much into it myself. Green-ish team playing a meaningless series in the middle of their off season with really horrible weather conditions against a confident, well drilled home side in front of hostile crowds. A very tough set of circumstances and while they could have done better it's not equivalent to suffering three innings defeats in a home Test series. As for Cpt.Meanster you may be right that no team can boast they are better than the rest however a team with two humiliating whitewashes behind it in the last 12 months has got a realistic shout for being worse than the rest.

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 11, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

The poms are going way overboard, they aren't that good. If we actually had selectors with brains who could field our best side this series would've been a reversed result.

Posted by caughtatcover on (July 11, 2012, 6:49 GMT)

Agreed with @Erebus26 absolutely. This team doesn't have the superstars like McGrath and Warne who can turn matches to their favor form any situation. The aussies have relied upon their likes for too long a time and its evident why they haven't lost they way they did here against England. I understand that this is the off season for the aussies like @popcorn has pointed out, but hey we all also know that this not the first overseas tour for our boys and lets not use that as an excuse please. Its a professional team after all. I do not see anyone form the current crop turning into genuine match winner. Therefore my suggestion is that all of them work doubly hard as a team and put a stop to all those off field tactics and focus only on their game.

Posted by Meety on (July 11, 2012, 6:34 GMT)

@Erebus26 - regretably, well said!

Posted by Erebus26 on (July 11, 2012, 6:24 GMT)

I remember a few Aussie players saying a bit before the series started - talking about the vulnerability of this England side and all of that - but they've all gone quiet now. Basically some of these guys have got to realise that they are not Glenn McGrath, shut up, and start doing it on the field rather than in press conferences.

Posted by zenboomerang on (July 11, 2012, 6:21 GMT)

Clarke would have to be in denial to think the selection of future Test players into ODI's doesn't have a direct reflection on where all Oz cricket is heading... Clarke picked our team for this series & has a direct responsibility on the results... Picking Forrest, Smith, Johnson, Pattinson, Cummins, shows a complete lack of accountability or awareness on where our ODI team should be heading at this current time - players coming back from injury or not showing domestic form in this format or very little history of form... Replace Forrest - Voges, Cooper, Ferguson... Smith - Christian (better bat-bowl-econ aver in ODI's)... Johnson needs more FC cricket - Starc... Pattinson just doesn't have the game yet - Harris/McDermott... Cummins injuries & lack of FC cricket against him - Faulkner/Butterworth...

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (July 11, 2012, 6:21 GMT)

Out-captained, Out-thought & Out-Played by a better, fitter, more skilful England. Australia are no longer no.1 in ODI cricket. England are quite obviously are. Retire Clarky, you've been a bungler of a captain for years now, you are leading Australia further down down the slope.

Posted by tanstell87 on (July 11, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

No this is 2nd series loss under Clarke's captaincy....India defeated Australia 1-0 in 3 matches in India inOctober 2010...the other 2 ODIs from that series were washed out !

Posted by joseyesu on (July 11, 2012, 5:55 GMT)

AUS when are you going to bounce back...

Posted by   on (July 11, 2012, 5:17 GMT)

Guys, please, stop blaming Watson. He said England's number seven is vulnerable. He never claimed that they would get the number seven.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (July 11, 2012, 5:16 GMT)

@Hammond: So you mean every other team is ONLY fit to play in home conditions ? if that's so then why target the Indians when they reached the summit ? this defeat confirms that even Australia are ordinary outside their shores. England looked ordinary in India where they lost 5-0 in a ODI series. India got hammered in England and Australia. Now SA are the only team left to prove they are not weak away from home. I hope they have a good series in England. One thing is for sure, no team can boast that it is better than the rest. Makes for interesting cricket.

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (July 11, 2012, 4:23 GMT)

SL is visiting this year. Aussie lost ODI series to SL by 2 to 1 in 2010. Even Malinga thrashed Aussie bowlers around MCC in the 1st ODI. SL again beat Aussies at least in 4 ODI's last year triangle series.

Posted by Marcio on (July 11, 2012, 4:20 GMT)

@Hammond, AUS did just "compete" against tops sides - beating SA in SA and India and SL in Australia (and SL in India). Since Clarke had not suffered a single series defeat in tests or ODIs prior to this series, I would think that by the very definition of the word it has been competing perfectly well.

Posted by popcorn on (July 11, 2012, 3:42 GMT)

First of all, this is NOT THE SEASON for Cricket for Australia,or England, as the Commentators too admitted. It just did not have the intensity of the Old Enemies against each other. That said, it is a loss. And a horrible one at that. The Selectors have made a BIG MISTAKE dumping the experienced Ricky Ponting in a hurry. Sure enough, the young guys did not step up. Not even Peter Forrest, who scored 3 fifties and one century in his first four ODI innings and was touted as the replacement to Ricky Ponting. thee is not not enough seniority and experience in the Team.With the exception of George Bailey, none of the newcomers into the squad justified his place. It is frightening to hear John Inverarity say "this is the best we've got". I think Callum Ferguson shoud replace Steve Smith,and Usman Khawaja should be drafted in as back up to Peter Forrest at Number 3. Ricky Ponting should be recalled. No question. The bowlers need guile,they were pedestrian. Get a bowling coach FAST.

Posted by Raj1969 on (July 11, 2012, 3:31 GMT)

Eng will be t no.1 side .aussies u thrashed India now it is yr turn

Posted by LALITHKURUWITA on (July 11, 2012, 3:12 GMT)

Watson was trying to prove ENG No 7 batting position is vulnarable. Instead all aussies found out all Aussie batting positions are vulnarable.

Posted by mikey76 on (July 11, 2012, 2:52 GMT)

Out-thought and Out-played. This series might mean nothing and would preferably been replaced by a SA test match, but the Aussies will have this fresh in their minds when they come next year. So it still serves a purpose from an english point of view. Any time we hammer the aussies should be celebrated after all that hurt we suffered for so long.

Posted by Hammond on (July 11, 2012, 2:29 GMT)

Clarkey, you are a decent bloke and a pretty good captain. It is plain that you just don't have the personnel (or as we say in Aussie club cricket the "technology") to compete with the top sides. I just hope this doesn't herald a period similar to the windies had where cricket became less popular and young blokes are turned off the game. C'mon Australia! At home this year let's show the saffers (who in all likelihood will be returning from a thrashing by this awesome England side) that we still have the fire to succeed in international cricket.

Posted by MinusZero on (July 11, 2012, 1:26 GMT)

The west indies series where they were lucky to win should have been the wake-up call they needed, not this series flogging.

Posted by Nahal on (July 11, 2012, 0:44 GMT)

I am a Aussie Fan from 1996. I have watched every match since then. The difference B/w past aussie tem and current aussie team is past aussies have attacking approach but this team seems to be more defensive. See warner he is an attacking batsman but his strike rate this series seems to be droping down as he is playing more dot balls but previous aussie batsman like Gilly, Haydos, Symonds, Punter all attack the opposition whatever situation. This team have to grab that technique. I love Aussies and i really want them to start winning soon.

Posted by Marcio on (July 11, 2012, 0:25 GMT)

"the series reflected a wider problem in the team's limited-overs cricket over the period of his captaincy, given that it had been preceded by battling series victories over Sri Lanka and South Africa away, before a triangular series win at home and a tied encounter in the Caribbean." LOL. Every silver lining has a cloud! It was a terrible performance by Australia. But you cannot contextualise previous great efforts by a later series loss. That is really taking things out of context. The true context will only be known in coming series - as will be the case for ENG. The truth is that this was a very out-of-character performance by Australia. One bad apple in a recent barrel full of excellent results. Let's hope the rot doesn't set in.

Posted by Sinhaya on (July 11, 2012, 0:23 GMT)

Australia are not good in the limited over formats as proven by their performance since the CB series. Yes Aussie test record has been very good lately but they are a beatable side yet again. Batting is still the weak link even for test matches and looks like Ponting will fail against SA this November after a long break. Not sure if Australia will handle the Pakistani spin bowling in UAE next month.

Posted by stickboy on (July 10, 2012, 23:44 GMT)

i think it has a fair bit with the culture of the team too. The English team seem mentally superior to the Australians in terms of mental strength. I think that this is where australia has suffered for a long time, but the talent and strength of a few has carried them over the line in the past. England have developed a lot in terms of mental strength over the last few years, and they have some intelligent players too. I think they should never had dropped ponting in the one day team, since they pretty much did so as they thought they had found a permanent replacement in Forrest, simply due to him getting a century in one game and ponting getting a few crappy scores.

Posted by Favell on (July 10, 2012, 23:35 GMT)

Gees guys, I reckon half your problems would be solved if you would all stop running each other out!

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