England v India, 2nd npower Test, Trent Bridge, 3rd day

India's crown slipping

Another injured bowler was just one of MS Dhoni's problems as he watched the second Test slip away

Nagraj Gollapudi at Trent Bridge

July 31, 2011

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Harbhajan Singh left the field after feeling some discomfort, England v India, 2nd npower Test, Trent Bridge, 3rd day, July 31, 2011
Harbhajan Singh was the latest India bowler to pick up an injury and was restricted to nine overs on the third day © Getty Images
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It was the day India feared could arrive from the moment Zaheer Khan limped out of the Lord's Test after three hours. Through a mixture of hard work, talent, patience, perseverance and helpful conditions, Praveen Kumar, Ishant Sharma and Sreesanth did everything they could to keep the contest alive, but it was a bridge too far. As the Trent Bridge wicket calmed down on a sunny day, and Harbhajan Singh went off injured, England took control.

The pain inflicted was so harsh that at the end of the day the visitors walked back to the dressing room like prisoners trudging to their cells with their ankles shackled. The sessions became increasingly worse for India as the day wore on: 106, 124, and then a crushing 187 runs were scored in each of the blocks making it a huge 417 runs in the day. The ease with which the unbeaten pair of Matt Prior and Tim Bresnan tucked into the India bowlers exposed an exhausted attack that had tried everything and could only accept the superiority of England's batsmen.

Ian Bell might be remembered more for his silly walk-out on the stroke of tea, but he played an unforgettable innings. It was in the first session that he took the game away. Ruthlessness has been a characteristic of the greatest sides in the history of the game, be it with ball or bat, and so far in this series it has been England who have displayed more of it.

After their shocking collapse the previous evening, India needed to take a few quick wickets to stop England from building an advantage. They removed Andrew Strauss but that was it. Harbhajan pulled a stomach muscle early on and, after nine ineffective overs, wasn't available for most of the day. For the second time in two Tests, India were down a frontline bowler.

Even though the pitch wasn't taking any turn, and Harbhajan has been struggling in this series, he was needed to do a holding role ahead of the crucial second new ball. Instead, MS Dhoni was forced to resort to the part-time spin pair of Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina, who leaked easy runs.

It was a day when India's heavy workload in recent weeks - there was a three-Test series in the West Indies, in which all bar Sreesanth from this frontline attack played before coming here - started to catch up with them. This is the fifth Test that Praveen and Ishant are playing in six weeks; Praveen has bowled 221.3 overs while Ishant has delivered 223.5 in that period. Test cricket builds character and while both men have shown they can learn, their bodies can only handle so much. They are also missing their leader in Zaheer.

"For Ishant and Praveen, this is their fifth continuous Test back-to-back; they've been doing a lot of bowling for us," Rahul Dravid said. "They bowled over 60 overs at Lord's, 40 overs here again in three days. It's been hard, it's been tough on these guys and England bat deep.

"They've got some very good batsmen who can capitalise when your bowlers are tired. We wanted breakthroughs with the new ball and that happened. We got three wickets quickly but then the bowlers got tired, they'd bowled so many overs. England batted well and cashed in, so that was always going to put us under pressure once the bowlers got through that initial spell."

India are still the world's No. 1 Test side according to the ICC rankings but unless they dig deep into their reserves over the next two days, they are unlikely to be there much longer.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Jaggadaaku on (August 3, 2011, 21:44 GMT)

The following Indian cricketers should retire or throw them out immediately as follow: Sachin Tendulkar: Only plays well when there is no pressure. Never plays well in 4th innings. Still enjoys breaking millions of fans hearts throwing his wicket in crunch time. MS Dhoni: Never plays well (Not against even Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or W. Indies) Rarely gets passed 15 runs mark. Keeping is also below average. Try him for short format only. Grown-up stomach discourage him to dive. Suresh Raina: Good for only IPL and T20 sometimes. Harbhajsingh: Rarely gets wickets, gets only 1 wicket sometimes. Took 10 for exact 3 years ago, and since then, took 5 for only 3 times. A. mukund: Only good for Ranji Trophy where only unprofessional cricketers are playing. Senior cricketers of the current team stop playing there from many years. (Gauti should be only selected when his super home-buddy Sehwag is the other opener because he misses him a lot and throws his wicket when Veeru is not there)

Posted by Jaggadaaku on (August 2, 2011, 22:26 GMT)

The following Indian cricketers should retire or throw them out right a way as follow: Sachin Tendulkar: Only plays well when there is no pressure. Never plays well in 4th innings. MS Dhoni: Never plays well (Not against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or W. Indies) Rarely gets passed 15 runs mark. Keeping is also below average. Try him for short format only. Suresh Raina: Good for only IPL and T20 sometimes. Harbhajsingh: Rarely gets wickets, gets only 1 wicket sometimes. Took 10 for exact 3 years ago, and since then, took 5 for only 3 times. A. mukund: Only good for Ranji Trophy where only unprofessional cricketers are playing. Senior cricketers of the current team stop playing there from many years. (Gauti should be only selected when his super home-buddy Sehwag is the other opener because he misses him a lot and throws his wicket when Veeru is not there)

Posted by   on (August 2, 2011, 21:04 GMT)

fletcher is bad luck greg chappel oppoint Gnaguly as coach please

Posted by Jaggadaaku on (August 2, 2011, 6:59 GMT)

The following Indian cricketers should retire or throw them out right a way as follow: Sachin Tendulkar: Only plays well when there is no pressure. Never plays well in 4th innings. MS Dhoni: Never plays well (Not against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or W. Indies) Rarely gets passed 15 runs mark. Keeping is also below average. Try him for short format only. Suresh Raina: Good for only IPL and T20 sometimes. Harbhajsingh: Rarely gets wickets, gets only 1 wicket sometimes. Took 10 for exact 3 years ago, and since then, took 5 for only 3 times. A. mukund: Only good for Ranji Trophy where only unprofessional cricketers are playing. Senior cricketers of the current team stop playing there from many years. (Gauti should be only selected when his super home-buddy Sehwag is the other opener because he misses him a lot and throws his wicket when Veeru is not there)

Posted by   on (August 2, 2011, 1:04 GMT)

It's kind-of strange that everyone who had to prove themselves to stay in the side put on shows when they needed to : Broad, Bell, Yuvraj, Bresnan. Do the others (except Dravid) really need that harsh of a motivation?

Posted by Snesible on (August 1, 2011, 17:33 GMT)

Common guys, accept the fact that this Indian team is not a great side like Australia or West Indies or even SA of the 90's where they won in India consistently. Even ganguly has gone on record saying that Dhoni's record is skewed because under him India Played most of the test matches in Sub Contintent( read srilanka, India, bangladesh) guys drawing a series in South Africa or winning 1-0 against a third rate west indies side does not make any team great. perhaps India should arrange more games against Srilanka so they can remain number 1, pathetic state of the game

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

@zico123 "it is unfair to judge a depleted Indian side against a full strength England side" That's a full strength England side with Tremlett, Trott and Swann all injured. If you want to imagine how England would cope with a pace bowler getting injured during a game then think back to the Rose bowl against Sri Lanka where Anderson could not bowl in the second innings and we bowled them out for 82!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 16:38 GMT)

zico123. It might have been a little different with the addition of Sehwag, Zaheer and Gambhir. Not sure the laws allow you to use 14 players, but you might have been able to reach 300 at least once :)

Posted by dsig3 on (August 1, 2011, 16:34 GMT)

India is getting absolutely slaughtered! You guys trying to come up with excuses are disgracing yourself. Its men against boys.....actually its men against old men in England.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 16:28 GMT)

@ zico123: look mate while it is a tragedy that India are missing their leading bowler and 2 of their frontline batsmen, it would be really prudent to come to terms with the ground truth: England is far better at the moment. England has issues with injuries as well: Jonathan Trott ruled out with shoulder injury, Graeme Swann rendered impotent with injury to left wrist, and Chris Tremlett out with injuries. It is all about the replacement players raising their hands and staking a claim for the spots in the team. Look at Tim Bresnan, coming in for Tremlett and promptly bagging a five for in the 2nd innings. The fact that India's replacement players are failing miserably only adds substance to the notion that England has a far superior bench strength

Posted by Raj_In on (August 1, 2011, 16:04 GMT)

India should rethink of MSD's captiancy in test cricket. His batting form/technique in the longer format is pathetic...always leaving the team with a batsmen short. His scores for the last 5 test's - 0,16,2,5,74,28,16,5,0... does not inspire any confidence either. Also he does not seem to make the right kind of decisions vis field placements and bowling changes. Although he does an excellent job with T20 and 50 over format.

Posted by Amar_bw on (August 1, 2011, 16:03 GMT)

In a nutshell, 1. Players fitness, 2. No preparation 3. Poor umpiring. These are the causes of India's loss. But hey, India should be used to this when playing on bouncy wickets.

Posted by aracer on (August 1, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

@zico123 - I guess you've not noticed that this match England have been without Tremlett (their best bowler of the summer) and have lost Trott (statistically their best batsman). Full strength? Hardly - they just have far better strength in depth. Can I just check that none of the sides India played on their way to #1 ever had any injuries?

Posted by syedahmed91 on (August 1, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

He tottaly faked that injury

Posted by Pritt32 on (August 1, 2011, 15:47 GMT)

India is set to lose the test match by a heavy margin and England led will be extended 2-0. The Indian team do not deserve to be crowned no 1 based on current form. They struggled to win in the West Indies and are suffering a torrid time in England. I understand the team is depleted with injuries. India key players need to fully fit in time for the next test match, as they are just plain awful to watch. I do not like to see the team struggle. There is plenty of work to do if they want to square the series and that not going to be easy, as England looking world class compared to India. The bowling and inability to play quality pace bowling are areas of concern. The ageing batting line up and weak bowling attack are urgent areas to be addressed. England will be hungry for more and will have a great incentive to win the next matches. This is darkest day of Indian cricket and let's hope the team can change its fortunes which I feel will not be easy.

Posted by Master01 on (August 1, 2011, 15:37 GMT)

Beating a half strength India side couunts for nothing. No1 will take this seriously.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 15:37 GMT)

There goes the No. 1 rank....Team India somehow stuck to it for more than expected time !! Now is the time for them to realize how they can be exploited outside the sub-continent !! I guess Dhoni will make no excuses this time.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 15:35 GMT)

The difference between the two sides is the way last five players of both the side batted .

Posted by dms04 on (August 1, 2011, 15:20 GMT)

India geting what they deserve.They were just media world number 1. When Australia were numer one ,even they missed their best player they had players to defeat any team in the world.Dont cry over missing players ,,India got exposed..their stupid media cover gt brkn

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 15:16 GMT)

Still deluded India fans say they are the better side. This must be the worst #1 team since these tables were created. It's a shame really, because the excellence of England is being overlooked. Anghad11 what are you talking about? Tendulkar gets more than one life every innings he plays because of his reputation and Cook is given out in error. One lbw mistake against Harb would not have turned this match. Sri Lanka were far harder to beat. No wonder India didn't want to play Bangladesh. Less than 400 for you to win now...

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 15:12 GMT)

Only time will tell if we managed to salvage some cricketing pride from this English tour , but this Indian team (like all other since cricket was played) has put in a strong statement of how much it regards the game of cricket. There has been lot said about money , power that we enjoy but with time we will be remembered as a team which upheld spirit of game whenever it was tested be it sydney or trentbridge unlike other so-called torchbearers of spirit of game.... i am proud to be an Indian Cricket fan and will forever be....We are the real home of cricket and as truly said for every Indian it is a religion and we dont disgrace it even if it means that we might loose our top spot as none can be bigger than the game....

Posted by eomer17 on (August 1, 2011, 15:11 GMT)

can't help but say that Dhoni needs to learn how to bat.how he has managed to score runs at times still baffles me,though those times have been only 2-3 times but how the hell is he still there representing India?

Posted by hunksurat on (August 1, 2011, 15:03 GMT)

Finally Indian team is back to normal. Only depend on 3-4 people to win a test and then keep the ranking. Rest of the team is there to do the mandatory fielding and collect the pay check. Do not get me wrong for being so critical but it seems that way. I know may be they are trying their best but they miserably failed to adapt to English conditions and lack quality. Another fact is they are playing against the best team in the world right now. Big learning lesson for Indian team is to come prepared for big tours like this one and not to be too cocky because they just happen to be no.1.(not any more). I believe that England should win this series 4-0 or 3-0. This English teams deserves to be no.1 in world, salute to their outstanding performance. They are making so called no.1 team in world look like non-test playing nation team. Hope to see some better fight from India but its very unlikely.

Posted by NairUSA on (August 1, 2011, 14:59 GMT)

The Indian team needs more conditioning - both psychological and physical. You cannot walk in as superstars doing a roadshow and play with a team who is apparently well prepared. Well, back to the drawing boards and start coming out with a plan - maybe start dropping non-performers like hot potatoes.

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (August 1, 2011, 14:56 GMT)

Vow! What a performance by England. They thoroughly deserve #1 ranking without any doubts. Pathetic display by India especially the bowlers. England made batting look so easy and the so called strong Indian batting line-up is struggling bar some individual performances. SRT is playing in a lost cause and may notch up his 100th 100. At the end of the day super performance by England. I guess SL and PAK showed more fighting spirit than India. Abysmall performance. I hope this brings the team back to earth as they were flying high on cloud 9. Some of the players thought of no need to go the WI which would have been a great practise matc for them. Rahul Dravid and VVS are the ones who went there and are the ones who performing here. India should start looking for young talent right away w/o any politics involved. Let the true talent come through.

I am now looking for Eng vs. SA. What a cracker of a match it would be.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 14:49 GMT)

In case you haven't noticed, England are also coming off a 3-test series against a stronger opponent than WI on top of a long campaign down under. Too much is made of the #1 ranking. For it to have any meaning, all teams should play one another under identical conditions, maybe at neutral venues.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 14:46 GMT)

after all, those article with indias bounce back ability is useless. England beat australia 3-1 in ashes, can current indian team can do that? BTW rankings are useless

Posted by anexpat on (August 1, 2011, 14:10 GMT)

See the difference in bowling by two sides. our bowlers proved impotent in the second innings. Praaveen may be getting wickets but lack of pace makes him easily playable. Now England is finding all kind of pace,bounce and swing. mukund. raina are chicken feed. Even Dravid and Laksman were consumed by this potent English attack. But they cant be expected to rescue this woeful indian batting.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 14:00 GMT)

this shows how strong our's(india) reserve bench but at the same time we have to consider that eng played most of thei past series in eng and they did not have any injury pblms

Posted by aracer on (August 1, 2011, 13:56 GMT)

The lower order averages certainly tell a tale: Anderson 11.74, Sreesanth 11.43 (OK so far); Swann 24.03, Ishant 12.14; Broad 27.88, PK 9.66; Bresnan 32.80, Harbhajan 18.57; Prior 45.40, Dhoni 38.32. That's over 50 runs an innings more on average for England.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 13:52 GMT)

after the third test match in west indies it doesnt matter even if this indian team wins a match or two in england.they just doesnt have my respect.surely cricket deserves a better number 1!

Posted by vallavarayar on (August 1, 2011, 13:50 GMT)

Now, the Sri Lankan series in England in the early summer/late spring can be put into proper perspective. The SL batsmen fared way better than their Indian counterparts and the SL bowlers, who were a novice unit, performed as well as the Indian bowlers or better. By this evidence, the Indian dream of retaining their test crown is going to be a daydream.

Posted by zico123 on (August 1, 2011, 13:45 GMT)

it is unfair that India is losing their no. 1 ranking in a series where they are without their best bowler Zaheer and 2 best batsman Sehwag and Gambhir, it is unfair to judge a depleted Indian side against a full strength England side. i am sure the result would have been other way round if India was at full strength and England was without Peterson, Bell and Anderson. so bottom line it would have been true contest if India at full strengh was playing against a full strength England team.

Posted by Angad11 on (August 1, 2011, 13:29 GMT)

Dont want to sound whinny but frankly its been a long long time that i have seen such biased umpiring at this level as Erasmus has shown. You could clearly tell he was not doing an honest job even more against Praveen. Looks like he took the tiff from Praveen bit too personally. At this level you are expected to be professional. Learn something from Dhoni Mr Erasmus, if you could.

Posted by CricketChat on (August 1, 2011, 12:51 GMT)

Ind didn't look like a No.1 team in WI or Eng (thus far). BTW, Harbhajan might have done himself a favor by getting injured, so no one can say he failed again in the 2nd innings. This should be it for him rest of series. Seems even his great buddy Dhoni can't save him. Ind should replace Zaheer, Viru, Gambhir, Harbhajan, Tendulkar (who all are either injured or in sever loss of form) with proper replacements for the rest of Eng tour to have any chance to compete. I would like to add Dhoni also to this list, but he happens to be the captain!.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 12:51 GMT)

US Indian you are so right: rather than score another century with the ball and take no wicket, Harbhajan runs away hoping, expecting to fight another day. Dropped now his career could be over, but sick....how creative.And, yes, what if Sachin fails again in this inning?

Posted by dsig3 on (August 1, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

How can a number 1 team have an opening bowler who bowls at 115km/h? I dont care how accurate he is or how much he swings it. It really says to the opposition that we cannot intimidate you.

Posted by PTtheAxis on (August 1, 2011, 12:17 GMT)

still no one thinks dhoni is not fit to be a test captain. he is not fit enough to be the wicketkeeper even. he should not be in the test team as he is no test batsman either. his field placings can never get 20 wickets. all the good balls go to waste with no catchers in right places. if they don't take dhoni out soon the test-team will turn into a joke. the writing has been on the wall for long but it seems indians are too used to overlooking reality.

Posted by Vijay_Germany on (August 1, 2011, 12:16 GMT)

England 1st innings: 5-85 (36.4 ov), to 10-221 (68.4 ov) last 5 wkts scored 136 runs in 32 overs India 1st innings: 5-267 (85.4 ov) to 10-288 (91.1 ov) last 5 wkts scored 21 runs in 5.3 overs England 2nd innings: 5-329 (Morgan, 80.2 ov) to 10-544 (Swann, 120.2 ov) last 5 wkts scored 215 runs in 40 overs

Verdict: England are the No.1 Test side!!!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 12:09 GMT)

Seems like Dhoni should captain only T20, ODI format...Viru to take over Test side...We need a aggressive fellow as captain and Captain Cool is Clueless when there is a problem in Test. I am sure, India will have a tough time when the three great batsmen decide to retire...Viru, Viru...Viru, Viru...Viru, Viru....

Posted by JawadSyed on (August 1, 2011, 12:08 GMT)

This is an ideal situation for Sachin to score a century. There is no hope for India to even draw the match as there are five sessions of play left. There is no point in trying to win the match, this is the kind of situation Tendulkar like to score his century. Read about how india looses when Sachin scores a century and how many of his centuries have helped india win. Tendulkar's ODI centuries: http://cricblogger.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/sachin-tendulkar-odi-centuries/ Tendulkar's Test Centuries: http://cricblogger.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/tendulkar-test-centuries/

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 11:55 GMT)

This was waiting to happen for the Indian team even with their numero uno ranking in Test Matches have not exactly won an overseas tour with any great degree of comfort. The bowling in the absence of Zaheer Khan has been badly exposed. The IPL brigade like Murli Vijays, Yuvrajs and Rainas have yet to learn how to construct a Test innings. One shudders to think what would happen when the trinity of Dravid, Laxman and Sachin bow out. Most importantly, the Indian team has yet to learn how to prepare for an overseas tour. They just walk into it and then get exposed. The success of the IPL will not automatically guarantee the success of the Test team. Test cricket is won not by flamboyance when there are no close in fielders but by doing simple cricketing things day in day ouconsistently. This involves mental strength and good technical skills which the newcomers lack at present. The Indian think tank along with the BCCI needs to put a lot of thought into this.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 11:01 GMT)

It's a matter of relief to see indians getting injured during test matches n not during IPL. I am a die hard BCCI fan,never liked test matches.BCCI should be honoured with Bharat Ratna the way they're killing test players to save IPL.Time and again these jokers have prooved that IPL is the only game in cricket.If people like sehwag,Gambhir, Zaheer, Bhajji,sachin play hours of boring cricket in test matches N get injured in IPLthen it will be a matter of shame for BCCI.What if we loose the crown, we arethe best in IPL matches.

Posted by Mervo on (August 1, 2011, 10:49 GMT)

Harbajan is a grossly over-rated bowler. He has endured and has had no opposition in India. He should have been pensioned off years ago. He has a nasty disposition and feeds good batsmen.

Posted by DINESHCC on (August 1, 2011, 10:43 GMT)

m_ilind: I also have simlar dream of saving the test by India. But your dream of Dhoni getting a century in the fourth innings is beyond anybody's imagination.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 10:37 GMT)

India didn't win the test series in SA and AUS........they dont deserve to be number one. India is number one in changing umpires (BCCI) when ever there is a small error.

Posted by aalkool on (August 1, 2011, 10:14 GMT)

Completely agree with comments about Harbhajan's absence not being a body blow like Zaheer's. And while England have played very well, I hate to think what this series would have been like with a full strength Indian team. But that is a ponder for a different day. I am still hopeful of a drawn series, but if not, it will be up to England to justify their rankings over the next couple of years. Bring on the spin-friendly tracks in India and the English team and media will bring kit-full of excuses with them.

Posted by stormy16 on (August 1, 2011, 10:00 GMT)

After having Eng at 130/8 to be in this position is unforgivable and its a reflection of what Eng are about at well. Indian batting is yet to fire and if it doesnt happen in the next two days Ind are looking at a being 2 down with two to play and all the hard work down the drain. Excuses galore with injuries and form and conditions ETC but the reality is there is still time for India to stand up and draw the test and look ahead.

Posted by nawwabsahab on (August 1, 2011, 9:56 GMT)

and i bet sachin wont bat in the last innings or tests to come :P

Posted by abdman on (August 1, 2011, 9:53 GMT)

Indid is let down in both the tests by the batsmen. Other than Dravid and Laxman, who give a contribution to the team? In addition the management of bowling resource by the captain is poor. Whats the fun in trying Harbajan till he meet with a success? Hwy they dont try new spinners? Tendulkar is always coming to bat with his hundredth century in mind and he is restless to get that and he is getting out cheap. So the results of th ematches are a total failure and the team India is moving into the direction of West Indies in a couple of years unless there is some drastic measures be taken. We have no second reliable line of batsmen at this moment.

Posted by rismon on (August 1, 2011, 9:46 GMT)

Though I'm an Indian team supporter, I have to say that definitely England is far ahead of Indian batting and bowling. England is the no. 1 test team at present. India has a lot to do to regain the spot. And, is Bhajji's injury a blessing in disguise?

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 9:39 GMT)

It aint over till I see Ishanth's grim forward prod. C'mon India, play and pray (for rain).

Posted by TheUpperCut on (August 1, 2011, 9:37 GMT)

Honestly, Dhoni has been loosing it! His batting has been non-existent and his keepingn abilities have been well below-par! A leader can't get the best out of the team if he is such a state! My personal opinion - Dhoni has been overrated as captain and the problem is the thing has got to his head and he is now on a downward slide. Sorry to say this but this is the harsh reality. A sad picture for Indian fans like me, we will loose our 3 big names in the near future and also Dhoni will have to make way for a younger captain who will be in the team as a player first and then a leader!

Posted by TheUpperCut on (August 1, 2011, 9:31 GMT)

India are missing their 2 main weapons in Viru and Zaheer, make it 3 with Bajji not even being a shadow of himself! Viru is the best opener in world cricket today and can change the game in 1 session and we miss him badly in this series. I think the less said about this the better. Zaheer is our frontline bowler and he is sorely missed as well! Having said all this, there is no excuse for players like bajji, Sachin, and most importantly Dhoni to put up such a poor show. Sachin and Dhoni together have not scored 100 runs in the last 3 innings which no excuses can undo!

Posted by Chapelau on (August 1, 2011, 9:23 GMT)

Lots of great comments but a few additional thoughts.... England's ascendency owes a lot to the difference in fitness and preparation of both sides. A big lesson that the sport has learned from Australia in the last two decades. Missing players are a factor but also what if England had won the tosses instead of India? Would we have seen Indian batting collapses? I also think attitude plays a role - Harbhajan needs to be replaced, he casts gloom and despondency wherever he goes.

Posted by Sashank_sharma on (August 1, 2011, 9:19 GMT)

Well said Nipun.... Remove Harbhajan and take Amit, u ll see immediate results... I am itching to see Sehwag now..India is missing him badly.....So is Zaheer.

Posted by nitiinjain on (August 1, 2011, 9:07 GMT)

India has always been bad travelers, the ball swings in England and it's creating problem for the batters. India would be rated No.1 if they can compete with teams like England and Australia on there home grounds. Lets see how things pan out after the series is over. One thing I wanted to ask was, where is Sehwag all this time? His explosive batting would be handy for India in England.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 9:05 GMT)

I think this is a God sent opportunity to ease out Harbhajan. He has been a shadow of his former self and everyone knows it except Dhoni. It is the mates principle that hurt other teams like Australia. It was that which cost Hodge his place. The only player to be dropped after scoring a double hundred! It is clear that India has been outplayed, thanks to a combination of injuries - I think India misses Sehawag enormously and Gambhir to a lesser extent. I think the IPL is squarely to blame. Sehawag played the IPl despite being unfit and so did Gambhi. Zaheer is patently unfit, has not played a longer game for months! India also dumbly resisted the DRS and they are seeing the results. I think the series is well and truly gone, unless there is a miracle or rain. I just hope that India do not come back disgraced . As I wait for the fourth day"s play to start, India look like a beaten and battered team. Come on India , play for pride! sridhar

Posted by Jaggadaaku on (August 1, 2011, 8:58 GMT)

@ Salmaan Raza, Don't blame the IPL for this poor performance. You are blaming the IPL only because IPL doesn't buy Pakistani cricketers. I am still oppose the IPL, but this is not the time to blame IPL. Bottom line is team-India haven't prepared for this big series despite the poor performance in their recent series against the weak opponent as WI.

Posted by mrudarlz on (August 1, 2011, 8:57 GMT)

I still feel if we take that 4wkts quickly today mrng with lead around 400-410.. We can win. Dravid , laxman and Sachin should fire..

I'm happy if somebody lik dhoni opens the innings and play aggressive innings, let ur top batsman play in their own slots(3,4,5-- dravid, sachin, lax).. and yuvi shud bat at 5 and raina at 6.. Come on India.. Make us proud.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 8:56 GMT)

We may see Mishra, Zak, Gambhir and Viru next match in place of Bhajji, Sree(or Pravin), Mukund and Yuvi. To get a draw in this match, India needs super efforts from Sachin, Dravid and Laxman. As we know Dhoni is out of colors and contribution from other two(Mukund and Yuvi) is bonus. At the end of series even if No. 1 rank is saved will be great achievement. But for sure with the amount of cricket India plays should find alternative for every member in the team.

Posted by KP_84 on (August 1, 2011, 8:55 GMT)

It's quite remarkable that India have held the crown for so long. When they strolled to that 2-0 series win at home against a second-string Sri Lankan bowling attack one-and-a-half years ago, who would have predicted that they would retain it for this long? At the time everyone thought Dale Steyn and co. would destroy England at home and South Africa would regain the no. 1 ranking. But, of course, the best paceman in the world suffered an untimely injury and England scraped a 1-1 draw. What's even more remarkable is that, despite only managing to draw three of out of the four series they have played against sides ranked in the top 6 (sides other than W.Indies, N.Zealand and Bangladesh) in that time, India could still remain no.1 if they lose this series. What does this say about the current ranking system?

Posted by bluebillion on (August 1, 2011, 8:50 GMT)

While all Indian fans like me will accept that India have been outplayed (and unlucky with injuries), this series leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Not because India is losing but because of having to indure the English commentators on Sky Sports. Shameful and derogatory is what the commentary is. There is harsh criticism and sarcasm in each comment - especially from Atherton, Hussain, Holding (non-English!!) and even Gower and Lloyd. They are literally making fun of the cricketers and BCCI on public TV. Indeed any commentator will support his country and has the right to say that the opposition has played badly. It is the way is is being said that is hard to stomach. As an example, they are still talking with indignation about how Raina was given not out in the 2nd innings at Lords but are making fun and laughing about Bhajji's lbm in the first innings here. This is just one small example. Go on BCCI - you were in the right and I was wrong for thinking that you werent. Show em.

Posted by Hammond on (August 1, 2011, 8:35 GMT)

This is turning out exactly how I predicted. India outbowled, outbatted, outfielded and outcaptained by a superior side. I sincerely don't think that even with Sehwag, Gambhir and Khan in their side they could have bothered the best English batting side since 1953, and the best bowling side since 1971. If India are number one according to the BCCI- umm sorry ICC rankings then that is a woeful indictment of test cricket in 2011. This Indian side would never have beaten the 1984 windies side, or the 1948 or 2000 Australian team. It's only a paper tiger of an Indian side.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 8:29 GMT)

As much as England has played fantastic cricket, I believe fatigue is catching up with Team India. There seem no energy on the field. The batsmen without Sehwag seems to have lost there aggressive intent. Sure India is missing a few key players but the important thing is there seem no intent to fight. Only Raina, Dravid and praveen kumar showed some fight. I would not fault the 3 quicks, with there limited experience they did a great job by repeatedly troubling the strong English batting but could not finish the job firstly because of lack of experience and secondly 4th bowler (incidentally the most experienced bowler of the team) bhajji not pulling his weight. I feel Harbhajan is insecure about his place in the side and thats why never took a break. He does not want any other spinner to get a chance. Lack of fight by batsmen is hurting India really bad here. India had 2 chances of killing the match on Day 1 and 2, both were squandered. You cant win test matches like this.

Posted by 9ST9 on (August 1, 2011, 8:26 GMT)

@sashwin - you gotta be kidding me. They flopped miserably in the last two World T20's. Suggest you to check their overall T20 record pretty horrible for the land of T20 Cricket.

Posted by sweetspot on (August 1, 2011, 8:24 GMT)

This seems to me like long term fatigue catching up. Sort of what happened to England during the WC. This Indian team has been playing for a long time and look really drained of enthusiasm.

Posted by sweetspot on (August 1, 2011, 8:23 GMT)

Why is everyone so happy to bash India? Has India been a bad ambassador to the sport? Has this team even behaved arrogantly? Do they sledge? People! India did not even invent this ranking system. They just won enough in a given period to rise to #1. It is very hard to be #1 in both Tests and ODIs, and India have done exactly that. Why is that so "undeserving"? Ask the people who put the ranking system in place! India have played long enough that by law of averages, some losses have to come sooner or later. So WHAT? Are England more deserving of the #1 place? So, why were they already not there before this series? Things change all the time. Now if India loses the ODI series, they are no longer World Champions? Maybe some of you lunatics will claim they return the 83 WC too?

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 8:21 GMT)

Well this was expected as india previously only played in subcontinent where friendly wicket gave them an edge, they always surrender against pace and bounce its history. also their poor attacked made things worse Indian bowlers seem lifeless even these helpful conditions.

Posted by anexpat on (August 1, 2011, 8:13 GMT)

Let us face it . It would have made no difference if Bhajji was not hurt. He has lost his mojo. Enland is playing like India of past and are deservedly the successor of the crown . We have a week bowling attack Only two batsmen performing. How are we supposed to win matches. I think India will say a goodbye to the top ranking for quite some time now as they don't have worthyreplace ments for Sachin,Laxman,etc. The new breed is proving a diappointment. Even the performing batsment are labouring to score lacking authority whereas the English are flaying our attack. So, goodbye No1 position India.

Posted by ashishvt on (August 1, 2011, 8:08 GMT)

I am usually a fan of Dhoni's on-the-spot decisions, but whats with his prolonged madness over not accepting UDRS. 3 LBW decisions have gone against India, dont remember of many / any in favor though. Whats is he going to do now? Use his godliness of being the captain of Indian side and criticize Maraismus' umpiring, and then see him retiring from umpiring. Don't think that's going to work every time. C'mon champ, technology will be equal to all everytime, human umpiring always has a touch of temperamental. And if it was not for UDRS, Sachin wont have managed to get as much in Ind Vs Pak Semifinal in ICC WC 2011.

Posted by Chennaionline on (August 1, 2011, 8:08 GMT)

India can not with stand against strong bowling England side. That too out batsman are gifting them with poor shots. The shot that started the slide down is bcoz of irresponsible shot from our captain cool. England really deserves to be No:1 Test team after their Ashes victory.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 8:04 GMT)

English team is much younger than Indian team, English team is much better than indian team English team is much fitter than Indian team English team is much hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what else? Go England, future is your

Posted by avsandeep on (August 1, 2011, 8:03 GMT)

It is high time that we drop Harbhajan sIngh and give Mishra a chance. Harbhajan has been woefully short with bat and ball and has given over than 300 runs for the 2 wickets he has taken. Dhoni for what reason is supporting and persisting with him.

Posted by rahulcricindia on (August 1, 2011, 8:00 GMT)

India was badly criticized for not using the technology...Nasser was saying if there is technology why not use it...now England is himself criticizing this technology...now tell me who is right bcci or ecb...that guy Vaughan dared to suspect vvs integrity...gosh how dare he!!!...and broad has the audacity to checked vvs bat...has ICC appointed him as the bat inspector.....that is ridiculous...that is the most unfortunate tour of England by us not because of result but due to ongoing disgraceful incidents on our players....its a pity on England!!!

Posted by zubair01 on (August 1, 2011, 8:00 GMT)

Why is it that only India are expected to play in the spirit of the game. Harbhajan was given out off inside edge lbw, the edge that would have been heard by every spectator present at the stadium, but England appealed got their man and moved on. Further no England player applauded for the effort of Rahul Dravid. Is this the right spirit that is shown by Strauss & co.

Posted by rahulcricindia on (August 1, 2011, 7:59 GMT)

India was badly criticized for not using the technology...Nasser was saying if there is technology why not use it...now England is himself criticizing this technology...now tell me who is right bcci or ecb...that guy Vaughan dared to suspect vvs integrity...gosh how dare he!!!...and broad has the audacity to checked vvs bat...has ICC appointed him as the bat inspector.....that is ridiculous...that is the most unfortunate tour of England by us not because of result but due to ongoing disgraceful incidents on our players....its a pity on England!!!

Posted by rahulcricindia on (August 1, 2011, 7:57 GMT)

well england team may become no.1 after this series but for the time being as in some time they have to come to india for the test later this year...and they better be prepared for our conditions and pitches otherwise this ranking may quickly go other way round...that that will be more embarrassing for england for holding it for just few months...that is why i always fell to be complete no1 team in the world you have to beat each country in their home turf..if india is not undisputed no.1 team of the world england to does not deserve this title until and unless they beat us in our home turf..in few months time..enjoy till then!!!!!!

Posted by Nipun on (August 1, 2011, 7:48 GMT)

I'm honestly surprised to see India moaning the non-bowling of Harbhajan Singh.Had he bowled England could have finished the day with a lead of over 500.His absence allowed some real bowlers to have a bowl & that kept England in a relative leash.

Posted by karthik.nestle on (August 1, 2011, 7:46 GMT)

Being a hardcore Indian fan, its sad to see them lose tests. But then, lets accept that we have been woefully short against a world class England team. Time and again England have turned the tables around from tough situations, the hallmark of a great team-which even India did the previous few years. The difference between the 2 teams has clearly been the middle & lower order players. From no.6-11-While prior,bresnan, broad and swann probably make the strongest tail in the world, dhoni & co. haven't really done anything of note ! So, let's be graceful and Congratulate the English team on this win - we'll get our revenge back in a few years around !

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 7:46 GMT)

Come on india. We know that u are much better team as it seems. Come out and lose by a honorable difference. That can make up you all.

Posted by Nipun on (August 1, 2011, 7:43 GMT)

One day they blame Zaheer's injury on lack of cricket;the next day they blame their impotent bowling on too much cricket-how many more kinds of excuses do these Indians have ?

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 7:42 GMT)

This match, series and the ranking is gone for good. England deserve every bit of it as they have been far more focussed, done better homework on the opposition ( they have a great coach) and most importantly are very good it using the knock out punch Done so again in thismatch. I am skeptical as the new coach has yet to make a mark would suggest india try a more refreshing approach ( don't tell me that went with gary kirsten gone to SA): 1) India's problem is let face it bowling is no good w/o zaheer, but guys let face it he is also human. 2) Somehow some new spinners would be tried and if don't have a good spinner why play any? Harbajan has to sit out.... 3) Eng 6 down and their keeper and all rounder takes then past 400 and india we all know have avery long tail. 4) Batting, may be good to try something new... Hope the 5 wise men ( as some one said they are rightly the 'bunch of jokers) are listening .....

Posted by sashwin on (August 1, 2011, 7:25 GMT)

Test matches should also be restricted to 20 overs/ innings. Then India will become world champion in test cricket outside india also..

Posted by Mitcher on (August 1, 2011, 7:23 GMT)

@valvolux: Oops, obviously i misread your post. My bad.

Posted by spinkingKK on (August 1, 2011, 7:05 GMT)

Good captains try to use his players to the fullest use, regardless of their personal prejudices. To me, Dravid was the best captain India had since Ravi Shastri. Unfortunately, they both couldn't captain India for long. It is a shame.

Posted by CRICSL on (August 1, 2011, 6:58 GMT)

@khiladisher- What more lame excesses you have mate??? Eng playing back to back series and most of their players played country matches right after the SL series. Most of IND seniors were rested after the WC and didn't play WI series then who are tired mate?? When you play for your country you need to be the 01 contender if not then game over. The real fact is your team IND is too aged and too much depending on them and afraid to bring on youngsters fearing to lose 01 spot. Beside that the bowling attack is the most ordinary. Only Dravid deserves credit for playing good cricket and don't keep too much hopes on Shewag as his way records are too poor…

Posted by hassaanster on (August 1, 2011, 6:52 GMT)

200 plus overs in just 6 weeks...oh my!!...that's like a mere 30 overs/week...if as an international bowler you cant throw down 30 overs in a week then you have no right to play test cricket...and its not that praveen kumar or ishant sharma for that matter bowl with express pace or have a run up as long as Shoaib Akhters...And the funniest bit is Dravid blaming the english batsmen for making kumar and sharma bowl 60 overs at Lords and 40 overs at Trent bridge...the only reason theyve had to bowl that many overs is that harbhajan has failed to provide any support to these two

Posted by bhaloniaz on (August 1, 2011, 6:51 GMT)

@patchmaster: you are right. There were 100s of comments on how Sachin and Shewag are going whip Tremlett and Anderson. When Tremlett got indian batsmen in awkward hops (he would get others as well), there are 100s of posts how IPL destroyed indian cricket and how india might be 0-4. Its not the end of the world india is just 0-1 and they can still come back. If not, its not the end either. Lets just enjoy the great cricket.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 6:50 GMT)

this game cannot be saved by india......england will decalare at 450 lead, and will give india one day and 2 sessions to bat. over 140 overs. If india manage to bat those out haha they will probably win the match. I don't see anyone except dravid grinding out for a draw, india doesn't have the match saving batsmen.

Posted by bhaloniaz on (August 1, 2011, 6:45 GMT)

If England wins this match it would be despite all the misfortunes and misfires (Swan and Trot injuries, Tremlett and Zaheer do not count, they are not in the squad), losing toss, Cook got a bad decision in the first innings. England is lucky that Bresnan, Broad, Swan averages 25+ and Anderson is not bad as well. Prior is batting like a pure batsman. Otherwise I would argue this England side has weaker bowling than the older england side (Flintoff, Jones, Harminson, Hoggard) and similar batting strength as the older one (Strauss, Trecothick, Peterson, Vaughn etc). People may blame indian bowling for not getting the tails quick enough. English tail is really strong, and only 2 or 3 indian bowlers are bowling well. By the time india gets 5 or 6 wickets key bowlers are tired and the strong tail is taking full advantage of the tired bowling. If Swan cannot bowl, India might get similar advantage. (except indian tail is not as strong).

Posted by Sandt on (August 1, 2011, 6:38 GMT)

Bowlers- Praveen is doing well and sree to an extent is trying to give his best - a welcome change. Disappointment is Ishan Sharma- What is he doing. No variation nothing. I haven't seen him trying to bowl a slower bowl or Yorker. Don't tell that you cannot bowl these two. He is useless. Why Harbajan is still in the team. For what?. Batting- India have a long tail starting from Dhoni - You call yourself world class players. Is this world class. Shame on you. What is tendulkar doing- giving catching practice to slip cordon- I think he is thinking of coaching job now-may be practicing for that. Only Rahul and VVS done well-showed true class. Rest is pathetic- Miss you sehwag.India will all out today and Eng will win by at-least 150 runs. Still Indians will not study. They will do the same mistake again. Dhoni will keep Sree out next match once zaheer is back and keep his fav Ishant in the side with his world class spinner Harbajan.I can sense Indian cricket going downwards. We

Posted by Sandt on (August 1, 2011, 6:37 GMT)

I can read the headlines after this series will finish. India's disastrous tour of England finishes. India loses No1 position. And English/Aus media will celebrate this. Result in test series will be 3-0 England. Indian may get a draw in one test. I can tell only one thing about india's performance. They don't had a plan prior to this tour. They took it easy. Dhoni thinks that luck will always help him and will not lose under his captaincy. No planning, no execution… Nothing as a team. This is not the way to play when you are on top position.

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Posted by ListenToMe on (August 1, 2011, 6:26 GMT)

Even if Dravid, Lakshman and Sachin plays well, India can't win or draw this game. I am sure that the other Indian batsmen can't handle this Eng bowling attack. Maximum runs Inda can score is 350. The worst players are Dhoni and Habhajan. If Sehwag comes in for the next test, we should discard Dhoni and Harbhajan and include Sehwag and Zaheer or Munaf. Take my words, if Dhoni and Harbhajan plays, India will surely lose the next match as well.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 6:18 GMT)

It would be nice to see a fake team is not any more top of the ICC ranking list. india would be 5 or 6 in the ICC ranking.

Posted by BoonBoom on (August 1, 2011, 6:16 GMT)

At least Indian fans have few reasons to justify why India is about to give up their # 1 ranking. Zaheer's absence is being projected as if he would have taken all 10 wickets just for 20 runs inside 5 overs!!! My dear Indians.... This is NOT an IPL match where Chennai is playing Mumbai in batsmen friendly conditions on a dead track in India. This is INTERNATIONAL CRICKET against the best team in the world. You all need to admit you are only good for useless IPL. I do hope you all will soon realize the damage being inflicted by IPL on Indian cricket !!!

Posted by Jaggadaaku on (August 1, 2011, 6:14 GMT)

These Indian cricketers only get injured whenever they cannot perform well. The previous example was Saurav Ganguly. Once upon a time when he was batting against Zimbabwe, and literally he wasn't making runs despite trying harder, he pretended like he was injured and came back to the pavilion. The coach-Chapple worriedly said him to show the physio about it, but Dada (Ganguly) said he was alright, no need to show to physio. The coach said if you are alright, then why did you come back? After all, they all are more actors and less cricketers these days. They all have competition to each other to sell more and more products in India, and MS Dhoni and Sachin Tendulkar are the chief of the advertisement business. We all have been seeing how Dhoni used to play before and playing these days. That is the reason, MS Dhoni cannot make 10 runs these days. It is really okay, if the captain makes less than 10 runs in India. It is really okay, if Harbhajn won't take wickets, but hits 1 or 2 sixes.

Posted by CRICSL on (August 1, 2011, 6:11 GMT)

@vivekdhayalan_indian_tamilan- Sachin will score a double hundred but IND will lose by 200 run.. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 6:11 GMT)

I know bajji well...here he is playing too smartly..he is under severe pressure..so he is just escaping with a fake injury..he is just plain lazy that he never tried to evolve as an off spinner...now everyone has a fair idea about bhajji's bowling..its high time to give other spinners more chances..or for the next test match go with four seamers...

Posted by Ray24 on (August 1, 2011, 6:09 GMT)

England just dominated the third day. If Bell had not been called back, that would have motivated England even more, rather than giving India the spark. The decision to call Bell back was a very nice gesture and should be accpted as such. There are suggestions, and which may be true that Dhoni believed the match was already out of reach (almost, I'd say) and hence there was no point to channel the controversy towards India. Whatever the motivation, better sense prevailed. Take out Bell's additional contribution, and England are 20-30 short really - not sure if that will have the impact. UDRS is needed for LBW's - India were at the receiving end in this game like England were in the first one. At least we'll have fewer howlers. In the end, well played England against an overhyped Indian team.

Posted by CRICSL on (August 1, 2011, 6:07 GMT)

India is carrying passenger in the form of Harbajan Singh... He is simply overrated player and also himself overrates him. He can't take wicket nor stop run flow. Just pathetic bowling attack...

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 6:07 GMT)

India Massive Win at Ternt Bridge because of Sachin Dravid Lakshman and the Yuvi Century put India to win I hope That will happen in this test

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 6:06 GMT)

Its pretty silly what Dhoni has done. He is going out of his way to be nice. may be he expects if he is nice English will be nice to them. pretty foolish of dhoni..he is making every effort to give the crown to english ..

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 6:02 GMT)

When players like Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, MSD etc. give priority to IPL over tests & so called less important tours of West Indies, this is bound to happen. I think England will win this series very comfortably. They are least bothered about playing for the country & only making money & then they shout for hectic schedules. Hats off to Rahul Dravid though who has been a real champ, irrespective of the results that have come or will come. I am very sorry for this Indian team & yes they don't deserve to be the No.1 test team.

Posted by m_ilind on (August 1, 2011, 5:59 GMT)

I am still hopeful that India's batting will come good and save the game. Hopefully, Dhoni will crack a century and win the MoM!

Posted by HOTCHA on (August 1, 2011, 5:51 GMT)

Ian Bell was given run out - and that is how it should have stayed. Reverse the situation, and if a Laxman would have been in the same situation, would have Strauss allowed him back? Not a chance. The English go by the book, Out is out. The final England score might have looked different, if Bell was out then. By his generosity, Dhoni has put the test in England's favour, and with heavy weather forecast for the next two days? I don't see saving this test neither. Anderson should remain the biggest threat, together with Broad.

Posted by US_Indian on (August 1, 2011, 5:48 GMT)

So this is a pretext to be dropped for the next match, he knew his buddy captain will not drop him and at the same time he also knows that he would not be allowed to retain him and the relentless pressure from all corners, so to make matters easy for his captain and the team he has done this favor, at least it would appear on the surface that he is sitting out due to injury, much to help his indispensability, god bless him and i strongly believe that Sachin too does the same, in the pretext of making him score his 100th century he is goin on and on like the energizer bunny but without spark, he is not so magnanimous to step down so the team management should think in the best interest of the team and drop him.

Posted by pratit on (August 1, 2011, 5:42 GMT)

so,now india have managed to give away the driver's seat to engand even in this test.the real difference has been the positions 7-11 in both the teams.whereas indian top order can be blamed for a bad performance at lord's,the same is not true here.after england scored 221,the 5th indian wkt fell at 267.267-5 is not a bad position and had england been in that situation,i bet they would have taken atleast an 150 run lead or even more.but being india,we were bundled for 288.time to rectify our mistakes by introspection.should start by removing dhoni,the non-performing captain who started the collapse.but unlikely to happen because in india people idolise certain cricketers blindly and image gets more importance than cricket logic.duncan fletcher needs more control to turn this team around.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 5:41 GMT)

I hope india will show their strength and character ang give england their own medicine in the remaining days of the series.Once sehwag n gambhir return to the squad it is is inevitable. Yes,i agree with you that england were ruthless against indian bowlers and attacked them all the time.It is evident that as by watching the energy was missing in indian camp from day 1 at lords.I advice dhoni to lead them with aggression.Hope they will draw this one n win the next two and remain as the best side.

Posted by chandau on (August 1, 2011, 5:39 GMT)

LOL too much of anything is not good; so said Lord Buddha 2600 years ago. Just look at the IPL and the Super 15 Rugby. Both expanded this year and the impact on players is evident. In a Rugby WC year South africa reportedly has 22 first choice players injured. Both All Blacks and Australia have at least a half a dozen first choice players injured. Now look at the cricket. After the elongated IPL India has no bowling attack! The 2 most experienced are injured or not 100% and back up bowlers not upto scratch. While Rugby is a very physical sport that has INJURY written into the game, cricket is also a taxing sport on the body especially when one has to play for 6 + hours over 5 days in the heat (oh well maybe not in england - its the cold that is killing asian players) and then again after a 4 day break. Until the people who run the game put the players above the money, this will keep on happening, to most teams and most games.

Posted by myers74 on (August 1, 2011, 5:25 GMT)

India playing too much cricket? They did not send Zaheer across, nor the great man Sachin to West Indies. Zaheer was woefully underprepared and did an injury as one would expect without any decent warm up schedule. Great teams have depth but India's bowling attack lacks this. Test cricket is just that - a test! If bowlers are tired then they need more preparation. England is simply too strong and should deservedly take the Number 1 title. Poor umpiring cannot be blamed for an India loss, especially with lbw decisions. The BCCI can be blamed for that one. As an Aussie I am facinated by this series and to see who really is the number one team. England has the points so far and deservedly so!

Posted by Vernacular_Press on (August 1, 2011, 5:22 GMT)

Sachin should play like sydney 2004 test. leave outside off.

Posted by Vernacular_Press on (August 1, 2011, 5:21 GMT)

Sachin will score double hundred

Posted by tomhedley on (August 1, 2011, 5:15 GMT)

@ Venkataraman Ramaprasad, Maybe you should have agreed to use DRS!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 5:14 GMT)

@Venkataraman Ramaprasad , it was India's stupid move to not have DRS for LBW . You cant blame the umpire . Admit it without Sehwag and Zaheer, our team looks so ordinary.

Posted by Joby_George on (August 1, 2011, 5:08 GMT)

Even though i am in Indian fan, I have to say that, Team India stands no where to England in Test Cricket. They Deserves to be on No.1 Spot. This series is almost like Dravid Vs England. Just imagine if Dravid fails, India will struggle to make even 150 on the board. Natural aggressive batsmen should agressively, that makes Virendra Sewagh Special, he don't differentiate Test & ODI's muc, he bats on his own class as a natural aggressive batsman. Dhoni is really tensed to bat on these pitches, which can be read from his face. Harbhajan's biggest contribution to Indian cricket will be to keep himself away from selection for the next two test.Dhoni, Just follow the way Matt Prior bats, play attacking cricket, why you turn yourself over defensive & sachin stop dreaming about 100th ton and play your natural game.

Posted by only4win on (August 1, 2011, 5:07 GMT)

stop all redicilous things,the main reason is that indian bowling is not a International team bowling, they dnt have the bowlers to take ten wickets everytime, they beg to the batsman to paly a wrong shot and provede them a wicket,these bowlers r not capable of taking 10 wickets without the bad selection of shots by the opposition batsman, they dnt have the firepoweer nd talent n pace, can anyone tell me what bhajii is doing in the team,better that indian selection pannel sud start their serach to find a better spinner than bhajji who can spin the bowl even,bhaji era is over ,with this kind of bowling attack if we do think that india will reamin on top then we r big fools,these bowlers r bowling like beggers, they do beg for wickets,i want to tell Indian selectors that they sud search some genuine fast bowlers who can bowl around 150 km consistently,otehrerwise these kind of situations will come again n again,

Posted by fedora15 on (August 1, 2011, 5:04 GMT)

Seems that the Indian team is set for a 4-0 whitewash. Perhaps it's time to give the test captaincy to Gambhir, who is more aggressive than Dhoni. That way, we will atleast win the winnable tests instead of drawing them and bat for a draw in tests where we are sure to lose.

Posted by fedora15 on (August 1, 2011, 5:00 GMT)

A suggestion for BCCI: Please organize IPLs just before a major series. The players really get injury free and healthy because of it. Also, please make Harbhajan a permanent member of the team irrespective of his form.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 4:59 GMT)

It's kind-of strange that everyone who had to prove themselves to stay in the side put on shows when they needed to : Broad, Bell, Yuvraj, Bresnan. Do the others (except Dravid) really need that harsh of a motivation?

Posted by Chennaionline on (August 1, 2011, 4:51 GMT)

Even if Harbhajan went on to bowl 90 ovrs for the day, he is not effective the pitch offers him something. We need some one like Kumble who can penetrate thru the opposition batting line-up.Why Dhoni still prefers Bhajji than Amit Mishra? What happened to Ashwin and Rahul Sharma? Does Rahul Sharma does not have much domestic experience?

Posted by bhaloniaz on (August 1, 2011, 4:50 GMT)

India can still win this match. They were lucky to win crucial toss in this match. India got PK ( a new found weapon). England had Flintoff, Harmison, Hoggard and Jones. Jones and Flintoff were lost to injuries. Hoggard and Harmison no longer as effective. Still they found a new attack in Anderson, Broad and Tremlett. India should not worry too much about ranking. They will do alright.

Posted by CRIACE on (August 1, 2011, 4:48 GMT)


Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 4:45 GMT)

indians are are lukcy that harbhajan is injured and didnt bowl, otherwise england would score at 5 runs per over(now 4)

Posted by TamilIndian on (August 1, 2011, 4:31 GMT)

Sorry but I think it is a blessing in disguise - Harbhajan getting injured - he has not looked like taking any wickets. Atleast a good India team (with Sehwag, Zaheer and Mishra) will turn up for the third test

Posted by CandidIndian on (August 1, 2011, 4:29 GMT)

Well injured or not injured Harbhajan is a burden on team India, its the case where a player has become bigger than the game now.I remember even Zak and Kumble were dropped in the past so why cant Harbhajan be dropped.Also Dhoni may be greatest captain for his fans but i think he has achieved a lot as a captain in ODIs by winning lot of series in and outside India also the world cup at home,but as a test captain he has a long way to go.I even think he is very under prepared to lead the team in tests , as a captain and as a batsman too.India managed to save pride by saving the series against SL and SA and they are struggling in England now.Poor performance of Dhoni as a captain and player outside India continues.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 4:27 GMT)

Don't worry about the #1 spot. It is a musical chair now. It could be India today, England tomorrow and somebody else sometime later. Just forget about it and try to play good, hard cricket for pride. The real difference between the two sides is England's batting. They bat literally till 10. Whereas India, after 7, better don't count others to come good with the bad. Add to it, playing with 3 bowlers (discount Harbhajan playing or not playing).

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (August 1, 2011, 4:24 GMT)

I do agree with some comments re: IPL. It is obvious that golden goose of IPL has shot itself in the feet. I also do not understand that why there is always an excuse when India is playing badly? This is understandable that Zaheer is unfit but he is made to look like some all time great. Zaheer is an above average bowler amidst average Indian attack who averages 31 with the ball and has parctiuarly poor record against teams like Pakistan, SA and Australia. Same applies to Sehwag who is a well known flat track bully who averages rather poor outside India and a mere 34 in 4th innings of a test match. Injuries are packet and parcel of the game and a good side( not great) should be able to have enough backup resources. Reality is that India just does not have good enough bowlers to take up the 20 wickets. Credit should be given where due and England is a head and shoulders above India and probably closest team to England is SA.If home test match victories were criteria then SL is the best!

Posted by ankukam on (August 1, 2011, 4:23 GMT)

This series is panning out to be worse than a season of the NFL. Gambhir, Zaheer and Bhajji from the Indian side and Trott and Swann have gotten injured, albeit they can still play. Im pretty sure by the end of the series Ishant Sharma will also have some sort of shoulder or back injury.

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (August 1, 2011, 4:21 GMT)

This article seems laden with excuses. Eng has just come off a series vs Sri Lanka, yea it was rainy but it was cricket and guys like Morgan played in IPL and all 3 of Eng's formats. Broad also had a heavy load playing 3 formats and county. Eng r one of the top teams who play a lot of cricket too. Dravid played the series in W.I. while several others rested, some like Dhoni skipped the ODI's. Strangely, its the guys who have been playing cricket who are performing and not claiming fatigue. Eng had the toughest conditions to bat in in both tests and had to toil for a log time when the sun was out when Ind was batting. They lost Trott and Swann almost completely and their run machine, Cook has lost form. What do they do? Adjust and fight back...in the same match. They also look fitter, stronger, younger and better with their ground fielding and that is the main reason why Ind are being dominated at the moment. Only their senior batsmen can save them now.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 4:18 GMT)

in a way i'm very happy and wish that india should lose 4-0 only then will bcci and the pampered players(and former players on payroll of ipl) realise the folly of putting ipl before anything else. it is indeed embarssing to see my fellow countrymen making excuse about lbw's going against india, if i remember correctly the trott made only two runs,harbhajan had miniscule chance of making any runs and tendulkar, raina and dravid got favorable lbw's so it pretty much evens out, infact england have suffered more due to wrong lbw decisions, but then making excuse and whining after losing has become a habit with us mind u england are also sore losers

Posted by vertical on (August 1, 2011, 4:18 GMT)

Harbhajan should be out of the team neither is he containing nor taking wickets going at 5 an over and it was the same story in Lord's as well.Give mishra or munaf the chance instead.What's the harm they are already two down now.India should look beyond harbhajan now.Try ashwin in next series.And how horrible is the opener mukund averaging more than 50 in first class.Really poor technique shows the qualiity of our first class cricket.Australia had a review of their whole first class cricket after ashes loss.When will India have it.We don't even have a players association.BCCI should be made accountable for cricket in India though its a private body and should be brought under the right to information act.What does it do with all that money??

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 4:12 GMT)

for the poor LBW Decisions no one can blame other than India itself, they were the ones who started a campaign against DRS and made ICC take a big U-turn over it. The technology had more benefits than the drawbacks and even those failures could be lessened IF ICC had chosen another way instead of not using DRS at all. So, India boat will sink and will sink as sooner as i ever imagined, because of their pathetic bowling line-up, though their batting holds the success factor, it is also terribly down. Frankly Speaking if all other test playing nations had played the same number of test matches equivalent to India's, the ranking would definitely be different altogether.

Posted by 9ST9 on (August 1, 2011, 4:10 GMT)

@strategic_blunder - hilarious. try writing articles on page 2 . you will become an instant success.

Posted by 9ST9 on (August 1, 2011, 4:07 GMT)

Okkkk so it's Excuse making time boys. Get your minds together and come up with the best. Otherwise how come India be on the verge of losing 2 tests in a row against England who managed only a 1-0 win over that horrible flat track bully team Sri Lanka, who along with Zim and BD deserve to have their test status stripped?

Posted by kingcobra85 on (August 1, 2011, 4:07 GMT)

thank god harbhajan got injured or it would have been 30 or 40 runs more to the total..Yuvraj bowled better and he even picked up a wicket which to be honest harbhajan didnt even come close too...

Posted by 9ST9 on (August 1, 2011, 4:03 GMT)

@Venkataraman Ramaprasad - but the Crown of making up excuses will always remain with India. Grow up man. don't be so sour.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 4:01 GMT)

We have lost our spirit to fight. We let them off the hook ar 124 for 8. We capitulated after Yuvraj's dismissal. On a placid wicket, Sachin, Dhoni threw their wickets to miserable strokes. Yesterday we lost our bearings completely. We bowled shoddily, fielding arrangements were atrocious. I will have no regrets if we lose our place as the top team in Tests.

Posted by valvolux on (August 1, 2011, 3:58 GMT)

india only have the crown through luck in scheduling. they still hadn't won anything of meaning except beating australia at home with mind numbing negativity. india arent top 3 in the world at the moment - no doubt about that. at least australia put up a decent fight in england. india are a one trick pony - play at home or get belted away. its always been like that and im afraid their best players are on their way out...it isn't likely to change for a long time.

Posted by shenoyragh on (August 1, 2011, 3:48 GMT)

Big booo to the BCCI. Its clearly evident that Indians are tired of playing a lott of matches. Especially the 'meaningless' and 'worthless' IPL which has made a mockery of cricket and cricketers. Our quickies are made to bowl on flat Indian tracks for nothing. Bowlers have picked up injuries. All this, disadvantage India. For gods sake concentrate on real cricket!!! And as far as Harbhajan singh is concerned, we are least bothered. May be it's a blessing in disguise. We don't need him. Give the wicket taking bowlers like Pragyan Ojha a chance and we may draw the series. The last time we were in England in 2007, we won the series because we did not have the inefficient Harbhajan Singh in the team!

Posted by thebarmyarmy on (August 1, 2011, 3:45 GMT)

For all the Indian fans saying England cant be number 1 untill they win in India, you got it all wrong. We are more consistant overall (not just in one area of world) than any other team when we pass you in the ratings.

Posted by HellDiver on (August 1, 2011, 3:40 GMT)

@Venkataraman Ramaprasad: Because India were adamant in not using the DRS???

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 3:40 GMT)

Hectic schedule cannot be an excuse; the itinerary was known before hand. While we can cut some slack for injuries sustained during the match, cases like Zaheer cannot be taken lightly because it indicates a lack of discipline. These men are paid to be fit. As far as this match goes, England has played very well to claw back from the jolts on the first morning. From an Indian perspective, the advantage was handed right back when Broad claimed the first wicket in his hat-trick: Dhoni is not even dishing out a minor tailend cameo leave alone a middle order rescue act. P.S: I am sick of all #1 ranking discussions that end in how great Australia was 10 yrs ago. The ranking system is not a benchmark based on superior teams of yester years. Its about the present.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

"For Ishant and Praveen, this is their fifth continuous Test back-to-back, they've been doing a lot of bowling for us" - totally agree and with zero support from Bhajji and MIA Zaheer you feel for them. In such circumstances the batsmen need to stand up and count for more to cover for the bowling deficiency. But barring Dravid (and bits from Laxman) - that hasnt happened.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 3:26 GMT)

I am a die-hard Indian fan, but I guess it is time to admit that the bubble is bursting. We cannot go on with this bowling and expect the big-three to plug every hole in the batting lineup :-(

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (August 1, 2011, 3:25 GMT)

The callback of Bell cost us dearly. From 250 the score reached 323 when bell was eventually dismissed. Those 73 runs were crucial. The momentum shift massive. If Dhoni had been blunt instead of being "soft" India had a chance to get back into the match. After tea there was a flurry of boundaries. Obviously the team was demoralized - the price to pay for upholding the so-called "spirit". Just drop MSD. Ask him to apply for a slot in Lok Sabha or Karnataka CM's position maybe? That should do the test team a world of good!!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 3:23 GMT)

all you fellows...INDIA s a depleted side...no shewag gambir zak... still thy managing a stern test match...see wats going to happen to Eng bowlers on day 4 and 5...not tat bhajji s not doing well even the No1 bowler Swann has only same no of wickets as Bhajji...just relax guys TEST cricket will show something different on day 4 ,5...if INDIA pull out a win tis match then thy ll come as a grt team with all lead players returing to side...just BE PATIENT GUYS.....:-)

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 3:23 GMT)

Indian team is loosing its charm........once Laxman and Dravid Quits, then the real problem starts. Indian team will be shattered soon.

Posted by phoenixsteve on (August 1, 2011, 3:23 GMT)

@venkataramanRamadprasad and other the other Indian whiners...... maybe now you'll see the sense in UDRS? You guys have absolutely no right to complain about umpiring decisions when you rejected the fairest system we can presently come up with! Sure it's not perfect but it's the best we've ever had and all the other test teams are for it? Maybe when India gets relagated to obscurity in the meaningless ICC rankings you'll be in favour? Hope so.... COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Posted by amir_nirvana on (August 1, 2011, 3:20 GMT)

Is it just me or does it seem that this India team isn't as well prepared as England's is for this test series?

Posted by Buggsy on (August 1, 2011, 3:12 GMT)

"For Ishant and Praveen, this is their fifth continuous Test back-to-back"

Oh cry me a river. If India can't manage player fitness and work levels, that's their own fault.

Anyway who cares about Zaheer, with his 33rd birthday coming up and the number of injuries he sustains these days, he should be stepping down and making way for the next generation. Ishant has the talent, form, fitness and experience to be considered India's leader now. He deserves it.

Posted by Shaktiamar on (August 1, 2011, 3:11 GMT)

Its often stated that History Repeats itself. The "Summer of 2011" seems destined to follow the "Summer of 42" in 1974. To beging with, a numerlogist might state that 7+4=11 is an ill-omen considering the way injuries and ill-luck have dogged the Indian team.In 1974, Wadekar the cptain was in ill-health and had bickerings with Bedi.MSD is beset with poor form and the incident with Indian High Commissioner in this sereis is eeringly reminiscent of 1974's shouting by B.K.Nehru. All in all, it looks like just as in 1974, when Indis as the unofficial world champions coming on the back of 3 series wins lost the mantle, 2011 might well start the end of India's reign as Test Champions. I fervently hope I am proved wrong but omens are not good.

Posted by JustOUT on (August 1, 2011, 3:11 GMT)

@Mr.Venkatraman - its the result of half baked DRS. C'mon your team just passed the match to Bell & Co.

Posted by subbass on (August 1, 2011, 3:07 GMT)

If you look at the stats for Trent Bridge since 2005 the avg 3rd innings runs per wicket is 31.79, so knowing this I was not hugely surprised to see that batting looked easier, also as the article says the Indian bowlers were tired, the sun was shining and England were building a commanding lead. But the 4th innings runs per wicket are 15.73, plus you know that the England bowlers are gong to bowl better as a unit than the Indians and there may be more cloud cover when the Indians come to bat, plus of course scoreboard pressure, attacking fields ect. All adds up to India having it all to do to save the game, never mind win it ! You have to say that England were superb today though it's a shame the gloss of that is removed by the bell 'incident' but I fully expect England to win the game now and ok Zak and Sehwag may strengthen the Indian team, but we should have Tremlett back also, and be warned Indian fans England have an excellent record at Edgbaston, 4-0 is more likely than 2-2.

Posted by SanjivAwesome on (August 1, 2011, 2:57 GMT)

Harbhajan hasn't been really there. So he is no loss to India.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:54 GMT)

The only tournament where all Indian players play is the IPL!Even praveen kumar played in IPL but he didn't in world cup!Shocking!England deserve to be No.1!Well done!People please stop watching IPL atleast after that they will cancel that stupid tournament!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:52 GMT)

4-0 England.. after this series india will go down to number 3 position lol

Posted by cricketSB on (August 1, 2011, 2:43 GMT)

No offense to Dravid, but this is perhaps just yet another instance where after he scores a hard fought and labored 100 ... a couple of the opposition fellas came in and score briskly. Dravid over-complicates things and the pitch appears difficult. The next day, the sun comes out and the opponents bat like Viv Richards. This happens once or twice a year.

Posted by khiladisher on (August 1, 2011, 2:42 GMT)


Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (August 1, 2011, 2:40 GMT)

Frankly we have been very very poor.........

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:37 GMT)

its time for selectors to think about their options and harbajan obviously need a break from cricket .. match is still alive its just time for tendulkar and dhoni to prove their presence ....

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:36 GMT)

after watching the last two matches, i began feeling that we need to give sachin, laxman and dravid a break, and bring youngsters without thinking much about the ranking issue. the seniors look utterly tired and the current team looks disoriented

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:28 GMT)

If India lose this match, and if the Indian bowlers are exhausted its not for LBWs given against, or Dhoni recalling Bell, its Only because Dhoni getting out himself through a reckless shot when India were in control of the match.after all the hardwork done by the bowlers and then by Dravid, Laxman and Yuvraj -the way Dhoni came out flashing -when 3 days of play left-just shows hes just not good enough for playing test cricket!!he defenitely is to blame for India's misery!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:17 GMT)

I really dont think claiming Praveen and Sharma playing their 5th test in 6 weeks catches up with them. In that case, Ashes usually consists of 5 tests, and this is the same, isn't it?

Posted by landl47 on (August 1, 2011, 2:17 GMT)

One reason why this really is a good England side is that they can come back from adversity- just as India have demonstrated they can. From 124-8 on the first day, the last 2 wickets added 97 runs. When India were 267-4 and headed for a big lead, England took the last 6 wickets for 21 runs. With Jonathan Trott hurt and Alastair Cook out at the start of this morning, England blasted 417 in a day. With the momentum wobbling after the fall of the 6th wicket, the 7th wicket stand between Prior and Bresnan has put on over 100 runs at more than 5.5 an over, and there's still Broad, Swann and Anderson to come. England are headed for a lead of over 400, which will leave a lot for India to do in the 4th innings. I'm sure India won't make it easy for England, they're a fighting side, so we could be in for another two days of excellent cricket.

Posted by Humdingers on (August 1, 2011, 2:12 GMT)

I just can't understand why this constant barrage against the bowlers and the constant articles about the weakness in bowling. Had the batsmen done their job (especially the Captain) then the bowlers would be having more rest instead of coming out after less than a day in the field!

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 2:04 GMT)

The main question is how much has the pitch flattened out? Very odd that this pitch just seems to have got better. Also will anyone be left by the End of the test? Harbhajan, Swann, Trott all injured so far, will Prior get a bowl?

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 1:52 GMT)

India's obvious demons came back to hunt them. They don't have a world class bowling line up and their batting line up has aged and apart from Dravid failed to convert 50's into 100's. India will sink quickly.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 1:48 GMT)

Poor Umpiring will cost India the Match and the Crown. So many LBW decisions were given in favor of the England team. Why?

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 1:28 GMT)

Poor perfomance by team india,they let the match slip away...

Posted by rydwan78 on (August 1, 2011, 1:23 GMT)

I have not seen Indian people are not posting negative comments to our country. I am very grateful to England , so India will realize their team condition instead of criticizing other country.

Posted by strategic_blunder on (August 1, 2011, 1:00 GMT)

Dhoni chooses grace over gamesmanship, but over loss of a match and possible series (and the trivial spot in the rankings). I disagree completely that it would have been against the spirit of the game if Dhoni would have refused Bell's appeal reconsideration. On the contrary, it would have provided spark to the sagging Indian team and consequently the series more meaning....1) Lets look at the decision making process of Dhoni for the reversal. As I mentioned, it wasnt for the spirit of the game but more so an altruistic act for English decision to play in India despite the Mumbai terror attacks. Muddled logic I'd say, as those circumstances were beyond either team, this whereas was due to an individual's lack of judgement....2) The last time when the Spirit was in question in Sydney, it was REALLY in question due to childlike decision-making from the opposite captain....3) The absymal bowling was due to the psychological disadvantage, things wouldve been different otherwise.

Posted by shilsen on (August 1, 2011, 0:59 GMT)

I don't care at all about the Test (or any other) rankings and am much more interested in the result of the series. England is almost certainly going to win this one and even if both Sehwag and Zaheer are back and fully functional in the last two tests, I don't see India drawing this series. But I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

Posted by JustOUT on (August 1, 2011, 0:58 GMT)

I did not expect this from a batsman of Dravid's stature. He cannot underrate the current england batting lineup and say, since his bowlers were tired they scored. Then, the same can apply for Indian batsmen also, where 2 T20 heros(raina & yuvraj) and 1 burden captain cum batsman are there.

Posted by peterss on (August 1, 2011, 0:56 GMT)

With or without Harbhajan wouldnt have made a difference. He would have just stepped up and bowled freebies like he has been throughout the last 2/3 yrs.

Posted by   on (August 1, 2011, 0:28 GMT)

I believe this is a result of the IPL. When will the BCCI realize it's in their own interests to shorten the IPL schedule. This is ridiculous. I was hoping for a competitive series but it seems like another England vs Pakistan series. The Indian batting being a tad better of course but the way the English boys were playing with the Indian bowlers today showed India's weak bowling attack and how they depend too much on Zaheer Khan.

Posted by demon_bowler on (August 1, 2011, 0:09 GMT)

"India deprived of Harbhajan Singh." This was actually one of the things that went India's way.

Posted by Patchmaster on (August 1, 2011, 0:05 GMT)

India making excuses again 'heavy workload' etc etc - welcome to international cricket. England has an equally busy schedule before they beat the Aussies last year. India never say how well other sides played, they just have excuses. They are looking down the barrel of going two down in the series here. As for injuries - Eng don;t have Tremlett and swann is injured along with Trott - so I wold say that both sides have their troubles - I don't see ENG making excuses though. Funny that the IND fans have gone very very quiet, whereas before this match - all we heard about was how great this IND side was and how they would crush ENG......any thoughts anyone ?

Posted by Venki_indian on (July 31, 2011, 23:55 GMT)

England looks a lot better side than India..cant imagine one more test loss :(

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