India in England 2011 August 4, 2011

Mental fatigue is a concern for players - Upton

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Following India's demoralising defeats in the first two Tests of the England series, Paddy Upton, their former mental conditioning coach, has suggested that the increasingly relentless schedules could be draining the players and leaving them with little mental energy. Upton feels that there is little understanding of the "mental fatigue" a player goes through if he is on the conveyor belt all the time and that not only ends up reducing the quality of cricket but also results in situations such as those experienced by India's players during the World Cup, when they struggled to keep their food down and Yuvraj Singh was physically sick because of the anxiety.

"The current schedules ask players to be machines," Upton told ESPNcricinfo from South Africa. "We can guess the physical impact on players but what is very little understood is the mental fatigue the players experience when crossing the ropes in every single game where there is that much amount of pressure."

By the end of the England series, India would have played seven Tests in a span of nine weeks. This comes on the back of a lengthy and high-pressure World Cup followed, just six days, later by the IPL that lasted a further seven weeks. Upton feels preparing for the World Cup and then working through the plans diligently had taken a large toll on the India players and without a suitable break, many of the players would have remained vulnerable to injury or a drop in performance.

"That World Cup was a monumental process, both preparing for the tournament and enduring it for seven weeks. It was a very, very long tournament. The physical drain on the players, I don't think even the players realise the extent to which they were absolutely stuffed. I spoke to Yuvraj Singh who said he was sick for nearly two weeks after the World Cup and I know there were a lot of players who were mentally down after the World Cup."

The troubles for India started long before the tour of England. Virender Sehwag opted for shoulder surgery only after his IPL team, Delhi Daredevils, were eliminated from play-off contention. Gautam Gambhir picked up an injury in the World Cup final but that was only revealed during the knockout stage of the IPL. Sehwag was ruled out until at least the third Test of the England series while Gambhir missed out on the Caribbean tour.

The troubles didn't end there either. In less than a month in England, India have been knocked cold by a combination of a general loss of form and injuries to key players. Zaheer Khan left the field at Lord's on the first day of the series and Gambhir injured his left elbow while fielding and was declared unfit for the second Test. Then Yuvraj Singh and Harbhajan Singh picked up injuries in the second Test that have ruled both of them out for the rest of the series.

If that wasn't enough, there is the issue of form, especially in MS Dhoni's case. India's captain walked out to bat at Lord's and Trent Bridge only to return to the dressing room in a matter of minutes each time. Adding to his woes is his unconvincing glove work behind the stumps.

Dhoni said that the inability of his batsmen to stay at the wicket has exacerbated the workload on the fast bowling trio of Ishant Sharma, Praveen Kumar and Sreesanth. Though Zaheer Khan is expected to return for the third Test at Edgbaston, starting August 10, it remains to be seen whether he can go full throttle or will have to bowl within himself.

"It is an ideal situation for sponsors and for the revenue streams to have so much cricket, but it is not ideal for the quality of the product"

According to Upton, the need of the moment is to understand exactly why the India ship has suddenly found itself listing in high seas. "The team knows what to do and how to win, and are good enough to bounce back. By giving players so much cricket, there is a potential of diluting the quality of the product. We are possibly seeing the evidence of it now."

Upton said the Indian board was responsive to many of the suggestions made by him and Gary Kirsten, who was the head coach from 2008 through the World Cup. Most of those requests had to do with keeping the players in peak shape. "The Indian board accepted suggestions like allowing players to go home between Test matches while in India, allowing players to miss games during ODI series, so strategically resting players certain times," Upton said. "That went some way to alleviating the mental and physical fatigue of players."

Still, a player like Dhoni has barely had a break over the last few years, mostly because as captain and one of the country's most in demand celebrities, sponsors would like him to be on the team's roster no matter how important a series might be. "It is an ideal situation for sponsors and for the revenue streams to have so much cricket, but it is not ideal for the quality of the product," Upton said. "It seems there are other things that are dictating the schedules."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • amit_mallick on August 7, 2011, 15:46 GMT

    its quite unfortunate to hear it from people that india is not good on the fast track despite winning the last two matches played in durban and in perth against the sa and aus respectably. come on guyz........read between the lines.........its about the form tht indian batsmen struggling this time just because of minimum practice match. remember the tour in aus in 2004....langer said indian batsmen are like in a meditation while they are with their bat........wait for something like tht......they still have got the best trio .......let see.....

  • big_al_81 on August 7, 2011, 9:05 GMT

    @ devalyagnik2003, I think all of us in England have underestimated how much excitement was generated in India by a lucky 1-0 series win in 2007. It would have been 1-1 (still a creditable performance by India) had India not been saved by the rain at Lords. People would do well to remember the 3-1 victory in Australia just 7 months ago before disputing England's ability to travel well. And why don't India give sensible-length Test series to other major teams at home? 2 or 3 Test matches is not enough - India have scraped plenty of uninspiring 1-0 series wins which is why no-one outside India really rates them that highly.

  • big_al_81 on August 7, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    @insightfulcricketer (hilarious name on this occasion!) Broad and Bresnan have been involved in a winning Ashes campaign in Oz, the World Cup, the Sri Lanka series - at least some of those must count as meaningful. The reason they may not have played every match is that England have strength in depth beyond the XI who play. India have about 8 players between very good and world class and play them all the time and several of them are older. The whole point of this rather weak article and the spin of the psychologist is that they've played too much but several of them didn't go on the insipid Caribbean tour anyway.

  • devalyagnik2003 on August 7, 2011, 3:04 GMT

    Rightly said Aditya Sehgal... India won in England on last trip, India draw series twice in this decade in SA, played way better in AUS than old days, won in WI, so if someone says India is a flat track bullies he must be crazy.. India won T20 wc in SA as well. Secondly, if India's performance deteriorate on fast pitches and you say that they are not a good team then England, Australia and SA are not a good team because they are not good enough on flat pitches! if India need to perform good on bouncy pitches to prove their metal then England need to perform good on Indian pitches to prove their versatility as well! and everyone knows how did they perform last time in India!! even australia is 4-0 down in two last Indian trips...

  • on August 7, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    It is not mental fatigue, it is IPL Fatigue. IPL has cause Test Cricket Fatigue for this Team India which is looking completely unfit from 360 degree. IPL has taken betting to highest level. IPL is not a Cricketing event it is a worst commerical event. Team India and BCCI is completely focussed on IPL. Because of IPL, Team India is losing skill, inspiration, motivation and fitness to play Test Cricket. These curators, coaches and BCCI officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in other tournaments. IPL is completely meaningless and obsolete Tournament. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch between Countries unlike IPL Teams which look like clubs. Test Cricket is ultimate to watch on sportive pitches. But IPL is making these pitches Lifeless.

  • insightfulcricketer on August 6, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    I hate excuses but this time I think we have to agree this Indian team cannot become so bad suddenly. It is down to injuries and mental fatigue. Lets face it how many "meaningful" games Bresnan and Broad of all people have played in the last one year. ZERO. No wonder they are fresh and charged up.While this Indian team has played so many crucial and tough games starting last year with the SL tour - Ind-Aus, Away SA , World Cup at home and winning imagine the pressure of that - I feel this has numbed these guys to the constant whirl of important games and shuttling between hotels. These guys are human too with private lives. I congratulate the English team but I fervently request the BCCI to think hard about furthering the cause of the players by ensuring they get a good 3-4 months of downtime atleast every year . Otherwise they will be unwittingly killing the proverbial goose who lays golden eggs.

  • Clive_Dunn on August 6, 2011, 20:50 GMT

    Not really sure how mental tiredness can cause half the Indian top order to have no clue how to play a bouncer. Perhaps they fall asleep just before the ball is delivered ? I think it's much more likely that a diet of ODI and 20/20 cricket has caused them to become technically flabby, as well as literally flabby in some of their cases.

  • big_al_81 on August 6, 2011, 20:28 GMT

    All sides play a lot of cricket and when it gets too much their board have to decide what's most important to them. For the BCCI it's ODIs and T20s including the bloated and tedious IPL. For the ECB it's Test matches. As Mr Buttle so rightly says below, Dravid (who has been excellent), Laxman, Sharma and Kumar (who have all done OK) were in the Caribbean so it's not about tiredness - they're just not good enough any more to challenge the up and coming teams! They need to rebuild and it'll take a long while because everyone in India who can hold a cricket bat will want to be an IPL player, not a Test player. And for all the 'wait til you get to India' brigade, be careful what you wish for because England weren't in English conditions when they beat the Aussies 3-1...

  • on August 6, 2011, 20:08 GMT

    Dhoni is going through a bad spell. But he will bounce back as he always does. He did bounce back in a World Cup final. He can bounce back now.

  • JustIPL on August 6, 2011, 17:16 GMT

    @Apna Naam, Please also consider many tactics of dhoni that went astray due to wonderful performance of the english team. What he is given by the board is the veterans, youngster who are ordinary, players who are injured but hid that from board or board ignored their injuries. On top of that out of form bhajji and the ordinary seameers. This is demoralizing for dhoni himself. It should have been dhoni's idea to adventure in windies with the bench strength that backfired and will be responsible for loss of number one ranking.

  • amit_mallick on August 7, 2011, 15:46 GMT

    its quite unfortunate to hear it from people that india is not good on the fast track despite winning the last two matches played in durban and in perth against the sa and aus respectably. come on guyz........read between the lines.........its about the form tht indian batsmen struggling this time just because of minimum practice match. remember the tour in aus in 2004....langer said indian batsmen are like in a meditation while they are with their bat........wait for something like tht......they still have got the best trio .......let see.....

  • big_al_81 on August 7, 2011, 9:05 GMT

    @ devalyagnik2003, I think all of us in England have underestimated how much excitement was generated in India by a lucky 1-0 series win in 2007. It would have been 1-1 (still a creditable performance by India) had India not been saved by the rain at Lords. People would do well to remember the 3-1 victory in Australia just 7 months ago before disputing England's ability to travel well. And why don't India give sensible-length Test series to other major teams at home? 2 or 3 Test matches is not enough - India have scraped plenty of uninspiring 1-0 series wins which is why no-one outside India really rates them that highly.

  • big_al_81 on August 7, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    @insightfulcricketer (hilarious name on this occasion!) Broad and Bresnan have been involved in a winning Ashes campaign in Oz, the World Cup, the Sri Lanka series - at least some of those must count as meaningful. The reason they may not have played every match is that England have strength in depth beyond the XI who play. India have about 8 players between very good and world class and play them all the time and several of them are older. The whole point of this rather weak article and the spin of the psychologist is that they've played too much but several of them didn't go on the insipid Caribbean tour anyway.

  • devalyagnik2003 on August 7, 2011, 3:04 GMT

    Rightly said Aditya Sehgal... India won in England on last trip, India draw series twice in this decade in SA, played way better in AUS than old days, won in WI, so if someone says India is a flat track bullies he must be crazy.. India won T20 wc in SA as well. Secondly, if India's performance deteriorate on fast pitches and you say that they are not a good team then England, Australia and SA are not a good team because they are not good enough on flat pitches! if India need to perform good on bouncy pitches to prove their metal then England need to perform good on Indian pitches to prove their versatility as well! and everyone knows how did they perform last time in India!! even australia is 4-0 down in two last Indian trips...

  • on August 7, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    It is not mental fatigue, it is IPL Fatigue. IPL has cause Test Cricket Fatigue for this Team India which is looking completely unfit from 360 degree. IPL has taken betting to highest level. IPL is not a Cricketing event it is a worst commerical event. Team India and BCCI is completely focussed on IPL. Because of IPL, Team India is losing skill, inspiration, motivation and fitness to play Test Cricket. These curators, coaches and BCCI officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in other tournaments. IPL is completely meaningless and obsolete Tournament. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch between Countries unlike IPL Teams which look like clubs. Test Cricket is ultimate to watch on sportive pitches. But IPL is making these pitches Lifeless.

  • insightfulcricketer on August 6, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    I hate excuses but this time I think we have to agree this Indian team cannot become so bad suddenly. It is down to injuries and mental fatigue. Lets face it how many "meaningful" games Bresnan and Broad of all people have played in the last one year. ZERO. No wonder they are fresh and charged up.While this Indian team has played so many crucial and tough games starting last year with the SL tour - Ind-Aus, Away SA , World Cup at home and winning imagine the pressure of that - I feel this has numbed these guys to the constant whirl of important games and shuttling between hotels. These guys are human too with private lives. I congratulate the English team but I fervently request the BCCI to think hard about furthering the cause of the players by ensuring they get a good 3-4 months of downtime atleast every year . Otherwise they will be unwittingly killing the proverbial goose who lays golden eggs.

  • Clive_Dunn on August 6, 2011, 20:50 GMT

    Not really sure how mental tiredness can cause half the Indian top order to have no clue how to play a bouncer. Perhaps they fall asleep just before the ball is delivered ? I think it's much more likely that a diet of ODI and 20/20 cricket has caused them to become technically flabby, as well as literally flabby in some of their cases.

  • big_al_81 on August 6, 2011, 20:28 GMT

    All sides play a lot of cricket and when it gets too much their board have to decide what's most important to them. For the BCCI it's ODIs and T20s including the bloated and tedious IPL. For the ECB it's Test matches. As Mr Buttle so rightly says below, Dravid (who has been excellent), Laxman, Sharma and Kumar (who have all done OK) were in the Caribbean so it's not about tiredness - they're just not good enough any more to challenge the up and coming teams! They need to rebuild and it'll take a long while because everyone in India who can hold a cricket bat will want to be an IPL player, not a Test player. And for all the 'wait til you get to India' brigade, be careful what you wish for because England weren't in English conditions when they beat the Aussies 3-1...

  • on August 6, 2011, 20:08 GMT

    Dhoni is going through a bad spell. But he will bounce back as he always does. He did bounce back in a World Cup final. He can bounce back now.

  • JustIPL on August 6, 2011, 17:16 GMT

    @Apna Naam, Please also consider many tactics of dhoni that went astray due to wonderful performance of the english team. What he is given by the board is the veterans, youngster who are ordinary, players who are injured but hid that from board or board ignored their injuries. On top of that out of form bhajji and the ordinary seameers. This is demoralizing for dhoni himself. It should have been dhoni's idea to adventure in windies with the bench strength that backfired and will be responsible for loss of number one ranking.

  • on August 6, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    Will Dhoni rest himself for Champions League and stay fresh for the rest of the year, or give the same excuses for the Australia tour in Dec?

  • Kashi0127 on August 6, 2011, 12:36 GMT

    For Gods sake make up your mind on excuses! Once it is not enough matches to play for practice and next it is fatigue with more playing!

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on August 6, 2011, 12:15 GMT

    @apna naam-- and yet he wins you two world cups.in last 4 years.. ;)

  • simer553 on August 6, 2011, 8:56 GMT

    Where I live I am "lucky" enough to get Indian Satellite TV. Anybody watching this can easily give the answer to why most of the Indian players are 'exhausted'. Every time the TV is on there seems to be a new advert featuring at least one of the India squad. Dhoni advertising Cars and Petrol, SRT similar, Ghambir, Yuvraj Sreesanth advertising anything from Paint to airconditioners to booze. How a professional international sportsman can give 100% to their game when they are under such massive commercial pressure to spend so much time in the film studio is a mystery to me...... The commercial aspects of Indian TV cricket coverage are another bone of contention. Very funny in the 2nd test when England pushed the over rate they couldn't fit a full advert between the overs and kept missing the first ball of the over. However, this makes for poor TV! Take some lessons from other TV providers please guys (you "STARS" know who you are) :-(

  • on August 6, 2011, 8:35 GMT

    @David : Calling them "flat track bullies" is uncalled for. India has played and won in SA, Aus and even in England. What has, however, not happened is England coming to the sub continent and winning. So, should I disgrace England's performance and start calling them "Fast Track bullies"?

  • on August 6, 2011, 8:24 GMT

    These are the usual excuses trotted out when the team doesn't perform, "mental fatigue', "not enough match-practice , too much cricket et al. It's physical fatigue caused equally by a gruelling IPL schedule and off-the-field partying, plus injuries arising out of poor conditioning. Sure, a couple more county matches may have helped but I don't think it would have made a whole lot of difference. These guys are completely focused on IPL; of-course, the Rs. 2 crores/head for the commendable WC win would have helped, no such pickings in the hard grind of Tests, so what's there to play for ??

  • on August 6, 2011, 7:48 GMT

    for god damn sake stop that IPL.... no 1 gives these reasons when playing IPL.

  • on August 6, 2011, 7:29 GMT

    Erm, given that of their first choice 11 only Dravid, Laxman Dhoni, Raina and Sharma travelled to the West Indies, I don't really think this is a valid argument. In fact those 5 have, with the exception of Dhoni, looked better than the rested players on-the-whole. India's success over the last few years has been built on flat track bullies like Sehwag, who will be found out in English conditions.

  • trishool on August 6, 2011, 7:16 GMT

    **PLEASE READ** there is too much cricket right? These fools love to use that excuse? Fine! There is too much Indian cricket for us fans too. So lets turn off the TV or better yet, lets watch the Sri Lanka Australia series instead. We don't watch them -> they don't earn the advertising dollars -> they sigh harder to give us better matches!

    Or here is another solution.. Are you tired? Then don't play for your country!!! Make yourself unavailable. There are plenty of players waiting to take your place who will not whinge about every little thing.

  • JustIPL on August 6, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    @vivekn Then the fans should not complain when India loses the number spot in the world ranking just because they wanted to see them during cricket festival of IPL. I agree with you that they can make good money by endorsing brands and keep performing at the highest level. ICL and Lalit mody started this to make money for themselves and everyone knows they are the corrupt people.

  • mansi06042009 on August 6, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    i dont agree. did they force them to play IPL. they wanted huge money. they forgot national pride. most of the cricketers dont play for national cause. they play only to improve their bank balances....

  • JustIPL on August 6, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    The problem is India are not producing quality replacements of these players. Still have to bank on veterans who have passed theier shelf liife. It is demoralizing for them see that no new talent is worthy of callup. If there is more cricket in indian then their are scores of players as well but their quality is poor. Also switching between differnet formats is also difficult. Bench strength display was disappointing gayleless windies.

  • on August 6, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    Time to face the fact that Dhoni does NOT know how to be an "active captain", nor does he know simple facts fo playing "good" cricket. Examples:. 1. Recently, in a match he kept giving strike to tail enders while standing on the other crease and India lost the match. 2. Gavaskar has been openly crictical of Dhoni's "stubbornness" for not placing a third-man in field placing and, in Suni G's words, it cost India at least 150 runs in Trent bridge test. 3. Shastri & Gavaskar had been continuously discussing the flawed wicketkeeping of Dhoni and had said on air that even Farukh Engineers agrees that Dhoni should talk to someone to correct his flawed stance. 4. Srisanth, after the Trent Bridge test said that "he himself went and took the ball from the captain" to bowl. That means Dhoni was not even thinking of putting him into bowling attack. A captain, who is clueless about field placing, about required bowling changes, about his own batting & wicketkeeping? Wow!

  • woodhaven on August 6, 2011, 6:09 GMT

    lame excuses. just one player missing and india found excuse, they should just admit they are not good enough team to beat england

  • on August 6, 2011, 6:08 GMT

    Time to face the fact that Dhoni does NOT know how to be an "active captain", nor does he know simple facts fo playing "good" cricket. Examples:. 1. Recently, in a match he kept giving strike to tail enders while standing on the other crease and India lost the match. 2. Gavaskar has been openly crictical of Dhoni's "stubbornness" for not placing a third-man in field placing and, in Suni G's words, it cost India at least 150 runs in Trent bridge test. 3. Shastri & Gavaskar had been continuously discussing the flawed wicketkeeping of Dhoni and had said on air that even Farukh Engineers agrees that Dhoni should talk to someone to correct his flawed stance. 4. Srisanth, after the Trent Bridge test said that "he himself went and took the ball from the captain" to bowl. That means Dhoni was not even thinking of putting him into bowling attack. A captain, who is clueless about field placing, about required bowling changes, about his own batting & wicketkeeping? Wow!

  • nkoch on August 6, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    Couldn't agree more with Travor_G. Enough of these excuses. If 20 20 over T20 IPL games cause such a terrible degradation of performance, these player are simply not fit to play at international level. Most of them have had enough rest either by willingly sitting out or because they were dropped. Come on India, pull up your pants and show your mettle.

  • rahulcricket007 on August 6, 2011, 3:01 GMT

    take a look at the performance of team india in the series which starts just after ipl. IN THE YEAR 2009 INDIA LOST BADLY IN T20 WC WHICH START JUST AFTER IPL . AGAIN IN 2010 INDIA LOST IN T20 WC WHICH STARTED LESS THAN 7 DAYS AFTER IPL 2010 . NOW IN 2011 INDIAN TEAM IS PERFORMING POORLY IN ENGLAND AND ALSO IN WI. DOES ANYONE KNOWS WHAT IS COMMON INTHESE DEFEATS AFTER IPL ? SEHWAG INJURED DURING IPL IN THESE THREE YEARS .

  • Ahsan_Shere on August 6, 2011, 2:07 GMT

    There must be an example from any international side to drop captain of the side if he's not performing, it'll give birth to a very positive attitude to players & followers of the game that no one is above the game. Think upon it!!!

  • ramsharat on August 6, 2011, 1:25 GMT

    Well the only answer is because of IPL being played evey year the team gets no rest. Insted IPL should be played like once in 2 yrs or limit the no. of matches for centrally contracted playes so that they dont get tired and remain fresh. if this continues i bet in the next 1-2 yrs some of them might say good bye to cricket because of injuries!!!

  • Trevor_G on August 6, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    As a neutral (South African), I am getting tired of the excuses: "Injuries", "no in country preparation", "mentally tired"? Give me a break. Man-up India and get the job done! By the way, when I am not supporting the Proteas, I support India (I am from Durban after all).

  • S.N.Singh on August 6, 2011, 0:43 GMT

    IT MAY BE TRUE THAT OVERLOADING SCHEDULES CAN AFFECT THE PLAYERS, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS THE CASE. THE WEST INDIES SERIES WAS NOT A STRAINOUS SERIES FOR THE PLAYERS TO DEVELOP A MENTAL CONDITION. WHAT HAPPENNED IS THAT IN THE WEST INDIES , THE VERY THING IS HAPPENING IN THIS ENGLISH SERIES. THE INDIAN PLAYERS ARE SUBJECTED TO THE GAME PLAN. " LEAVE THE SHORT BALLS AND THE OUT SIDE BALLS. THIS IS GIVING A BIG DISADVANTAGE AND WILL TAKE OUT A LOT OF CONCENTRATION FROM A PLAYER. THEY HAVE TO THINK "TWICE" WHAT TO DO AND LOOK OUT FOR THE SHORT BALL. INDIA'S PLAYERS HAVE TO PLAY THE BALL WITH MERRIT. PLAY THEIR OWN CRICKET AND FORGET THE SHORT AND LIFTING BALL. HIT IT WHEN THEY CAN . "ONLY TRY A TAKE A SINGLE FROM IT OR IT IT IN THE GAP". THIS WILL CHANGE THE ENGLISH ATTITUDE. THERE NO MENTAL CONDITION TO WORRY ABOUT. S N. SINGH U.S.A.

  • sams235 on August 5, 2011, 23:54 GMT

    The effects of IPL are plain to see. Players dont reveal their injuries until IPL is over otherwise they will lose a lot of money. Dhoni has seriously ran out of luck. He should be axed for a while. He hasnt playing at all...apart from the fact that he is not a 'test' match quality in the first place.

  • on August 5, 2011, 23:08 GMT

    Is any one id forcing the players to play all the matches ?? there are ample number of players looking for an opportunity.If a player is representing India then he should have 100% focus both mentally and physically.If after loosing they give fatigue as an excuse, this is not acceptable. When dhoni asked for a rest didnt BCCI provided him? sachin opts for a series which he wants to play.Now stop these excuses after loosing and if a player feels tired,its better he takes rest and he does not have any right to let down the whole country saying he was tired so couldnt perform.Selector should have first announced harbhajan is dropped and then declared he is injured.But still they did it the other way.Are some players so bigger than game they cant be dropped.I am sure who ever replaces harbhajan ll be given a couple of matches and then dropped.When u can give experienced player 10 matches a chance to find his form,why cant u give a new player more matches to prove his worth.

  • Iyer on August 5, 2011, 23:04 GMT

    I dont care about mental fatigue or physical fatigue. No excuses. If you cannot stand the heat in the kitchen get out of it. For the money they are paid, there is no excuse for poor performance. If they cannot perform, give the chance to someone else, at least the payroll cost would be much lesser than dhonis and zaheers for the same result. And at least there is a possibility of a result other than loss.

  • Iyer on August 5, 2011, 23:01 GMT

    Dhoni supporters - I have one small request. Please do not defend dhoni citing past instances where other captains have failed to perform or by comparing his failure with failures of other team members! The fact is he is a failure and he needs to be dropped.

  • vverma on August 5, 2011, 21:20 GMT

    One can understand junior players not being able to manage their time well, but senior players like Zaheer and Sehwag have no excuse for being unprepared for such an important series. However I can see one excuse for this so called "unprofessionalism". I had been waiting two years for the tour of South Africa, since everybody knew two years in advance that South Africa was the team to beat at home. While I am guessing very few people knew about England's capability before the Ashes in Australia. This may have led India to underestimate the threat up until six months in advance, by which time all the schedules and commitments have been drawn up.

  • on August 5, 2011, 20:39 GMT

    If the mental fatigue is an issue, then why don't the team start revolving with the players, why does Tendulkar / Dhoni should always be in the team, why don't they take rest and play limited cricket, nobody is forcing them to play every match as it happen, but what's expected of them is, when they play they have to play to their potential and play for winning the game. when that doesn't happen then i think every common man has the rights to ask them regardless of the claim is bad patch or mental fatigue

  • jackiethepen on August 5, 2011, 20:24 GMT

    A lot of Indian fans were unsympathetic to England when the team was exhausted after the Ashes and had to play 10 more games in Australia before the World Cup. They had only 3 days off back home in 5 months. Jimmy Anderson said they were shattered. Consequently their form became very inconsistent in the World Cup. Mental fatigue became a serious problem even though the team still performed physically. Fans still poured scorn on them, talking in the same way about how much money they were paid. Mental fatigue is not affected by money or even the will to win. Only rest and recuperation can cure it. That is why the England players were given a month off after the World Cup and why they were given a week off after Trent Bridge. A lesson had been learned. Unfortunately the IPL took precedent over rest and recuperation.

  • 199703077494 on August 5, 2011, 20:19 GMT

    I totally agree with Nicky Tom Chandy, we have to support MSD

  • just_chill_chill on August 5, 2011, 20:03 GMT

    @InnocentGuy : One of the most sensible comments ever on cricinfo. WELL DONE.

  • Jaggadaaku on August 5, 2011, 19:55 GMT

    Why MS Dhoni can't even pass 15 run score these days? Not even against Northampton? India's bowlers even make more runs than him. Then why India need to stick with this unsuccessful batsman/captain? @ Vivekn, If our team India need support, they should earn it. Our support is not cheap, so anyone can get it. They should show some fights in next match. In the previous game England gave them target of 478 runs to win. I know in 4th innings, we can't survive 5 sessions. But they should have fought and lost the match by 100-200 runs, not 319 runs and got all out in only 158. England's only one batsman-Ian Bell made even more runs than whole Indian team. And you want us to give them support???

  • getsetgopk on August 5, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    Mentally tired from what exactly? that ruthless beating india will remember for the rest of the life ? lol

  • Imad_K on August 5, 2011, 19:40 GMT

    People like I explained before and said before the series India will not even come close to winning a single match. All these so called experts quote all these reasons and excuses. There are two reasons why India are no contest. India have no bowling even with Zaheer Khan that will trouble England enough in order to defeat them. However, the main and only real reason is that apart from one/two batsmen the Indian batsmen cannot play short bowling against good quick bowlers on quick wickets - that is why they are getting hammered. When you see players like Yuvray, Raina and others look so uncomfortable against the short ball what does that have anything to do with form, mental fatigue, physical tiredness or anything else of the kind. India only have two batsmen Dravid and Tendulkar that they can rely on - and to be honest I think now maybe just one in these conditions that will produce anything considerable would be Dravid.

  • on August 5, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    MSD is goin thru that phase where all d previous indian captains have gone...... Poor batting....vich spoils d his morale and finally d team spirit... wat else can v say abt dis situation... at dis stage, we need to support him rather than criticise him for his captaincy, coz if he quits india will lose one hell of a captain...

  • Pritt32 on August 5, 2011, 18:59 GMT

    It is very upsetting to see the Indian team suffer and everyone on their back. Team is simply going through a bad patch and could be do with a lot of support. IPL is a quick money scheme, rather than delivering quality of cricket. Who told the Indian players to play IPL? They are not under any obligation to play and should not be pressurised to. Playing for the country weighs greater importance. Team is suffering as a direct result of quantity of cricket played and IPL is not helping the situation. I wish people stopping being harsh by saying they will lose 4-0 and a true India fan will behind them all the time. I do admit they are a disjointed team at present, but they got to pick themselves up and put things rights. Selection, batting and bowling are few areas of concern and they need to be addressed quickly, otherwise the team will suffer even more which is not nice to see. Cutting down on quantity of cricket would help such as the IPL and then focus will be shifted to quality.

  • pudukkudikaryansujith on August 5, 2011, 18:56 GMT

    @Rahicecream. Well do you have any idea about how much these players are paid for? It is a fortune in terms of what is being paid by other country boards. Aussies and the SA show lot of commitment towards their National honour whereas they are earning a small pie to that of our celebrity cricketers. So, it becomes their duty "to flesh their skin out of the bone" for the national honour. SHAME ON THE INDIAN PLAYERS FOR THEIR LACK OF DEDICATION AND HUNGER TO EXCEL FOR THEIR NATION.

  • on August 5, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    I agree common Indian fan easily gets swayed by the emotional frenzy dished out by media especially electronic. It may sound sadistic but it is human nature to belittle the people when they have a fall from the grace. It is very natural England team fresh and enjoying home conditions , not having injury issues is having a nice roll but the real test of them would be also when they come to India and play on spinning tracks or tracks where there speed demons become pussy cats and are belted for the runs. Right now they are enjoying conditions which they are used to... so what big deal.... we should not Forget Dhoni for all good he has done as leader to Indian cricket team...I feel sometime ashamed by the outbrusts we see , at the same time we cannot win all the times... in loss is the bigger learning... wishing Men in Blue all the best and come out of the blues...

  • itsthewayuplay on August 5, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    Interesting comments but there are the underlying issues of why the same group of Indian players have to play 7 tests in 9 weeks and that's because there's no strength in depth. England lose Tremlett but Bresnan steps up to the mark and has now given the selectors a pleasant headache - how can they leave Bresnan out. India on the other hand have Zaheer available supposedly but this poses a different sort selection dilemma - do India take a risk of playing him and if he gets injured again increase the already overworked Ishant and Praveen. Or do they play Sreesanth in the faint hope that he'll someday bowl like he did in South Africa. India should be seriously concerned about Ishant. He's too good a talent to lose through burnout. A second issue is if mental fatigue is a concern how have they managed to get themselves in potentially strong positions in the 1st 2 tests but lost so comprehensively. Answer: inability to play short-pitch bowling and inability to bowl it themselves.

  • mosin007 on August 5, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    why this mental fatigue issue was not raised after the hectic world cup, just because there is cash rich IPL coming. please Indian greats take ur decisions for the team not for the money.....

  • on August 5, 2011, 18:33 GMT

    We just need to agree, we can't play outside. Don't look for excuses injuries, preparations, mental, etc.

  • on August 5, 2011, 18:23 GMT

    Pragyan Ojha is your trump card. Play 5 bowlers and you can't go wrong. Three pacemen, 2 spinners.

  • InnocentGuy on August 5, 2011, 18:16 GMT

    It's kinda funny when people here comment 'Dhoni should be sacked'. It really is funny. It's as though they think we have a Smith or a Waugh as backup and BCCI is just pressing on with Dhoni without any logical reason. Get this people. Dhoni IS the best Indian captain to date. He is there at the top. What the team couldn't achieve in this tour, it wouldn't have even come this far without him. There wouldn't have been a debate about losing the #1 position in the first place had it not been for Dhoni. Lucky or not, his records are their as reason to continue him in the role of captain. And there really isn't anyone right now who can take over even if Dhoni himself steps down. So just stop making dumb comments. Plus we have had far worse teams in the past, like bad-to-the-core teams. And I've supported them. This team, I worship. Just be patient.

  • on August 5, 2011, 18:10 GMT

    It is also important to mention that Dravid and Laxman who had just enough cricket during these period are the only players performing from the batting perspective. i do agree that they are also legends in test cricket. But if they were alos in a similar situationthey too would have had bad days.

  • rahulcricindia on August 5, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    i do not know why england supporters are yelling that indians are giving excuses.....there is difference between excuses and reasoning ...there is always a reason behind defeat ...and that is what the article is showing..reasoning...i think the article is not properly read by some english supporters and giving stupid perceptions of them...wait for your team defeat in the next test and than look for for some good excuses then..!!!

  • on August 5, 2011, 15:36 GMT

    @Rahicecream Well said bro!! True Indian fan!!!

  • Chris_P on August 5, 2011, 15:20 GMT

    @sweetspot. Have you seriously ever played a real game of cricket? Piddly series? For the #1 ranking of real cricket? Someone once said, "T20 is not real cricet. It is a sport played with cricket equipment" Amen.

  • on August 5, 2011, 14:43 GMT

    mental fatigue is not an excuse at this level. I dont understand why players like Dravid, VVS play IPL. playing IPL takes a toll on you as the action is fast, the parties that follow, the hectic travel etc. I feel that we were clearly underprepared and are paying the price dearly with our performance

  • landl47 on August 5, 2011, 14:40 GMT

    Ah, I see Paddy Upton has put his finger on why England didn't win the World Cup. They had a tour of Australia which lasted from October to the end of January and then had exactly three days at home before travelling to the subcontinent. Five test matches, 7 ODIs, two T20s and five other first-class games all without going home at all. No wonder they were mentally fatigued. As for the Indian tour, England also had 3 tests plus ODIs against Sri Lanka (a rather stiffer test than West Indies) and all their top players took part, unlike India in WI. If Upton were right, Zaheer, Tendulkar and Gambhir should have been in prime form and ready to go. In fact, most of the complaints on this board after the first test were that India had TOO LITTLE preparation. So which is it? Hmmm- it's amazing what excuses can be made for losing, isn't it? BTW, England still wouldn't have won the World Cup even if they'd had a month at home first. They're a better test than ODI side.

  • LegByeBeforeICreamPie on August 5, 2011, 14:01 GMT

    completely agree with the mental issues raised and 7 tests in 9 weeks is alot, but the Indian team has always played alot of cricket. obvious solution is not to play in the IPL, which means nothing and no one cares about anyway. how much many lahks do you need? secondly look at football clubs like man u etc who use a squad over a season and not the same 11 players. or england who lately use three of anderson, tremlett, finn, broad, bresnan...reduces burn out.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on August 5, 2011, 13:42 GMT

    2 losses and everyone has taken their knives out..i wonder how such people call themselves ''fans''..they just want to win win win and win.....not an iota of respect for a team that has win us world cup just 3 months back...anyways GO INDIA GO...we 'true' fans are always with you and we believe you will definitely come back soon...ATB

  • on August 5, 2011, 13:42 GMT

    One cant burn the candle both the ends..no time to iron out flaws n the nets and preparation sacrificed bigtime!

  • pk_cric_rox on August 5, 2011, 11:42 GMT

    yes mental and physical fatigues r realities of life.but in this situation and at this level? i dont think so.we as ordinary ppl r forced to join professions that we dont even like but still we work for 12-14 hours everyday without any rest.many of us (like me) dont get a chance to go back to home country n see our families for years n years.but still we stay motivated and keep our performance at a high level and we dont even get appreciated by our boss or anybody. then wat excuse these cricketers have who r enjoying the profession of their dreams?they r appreciated by the world and they earn in a month more then most of us earn in a decade.and oldies like dravid laxman n sachin r still motivated n give u a nice innings in almost every match, its the youngsters who get fatigued lol. they should b happy to get more chances while sehwag is having surgery but these ungrateful boys get fatigued.the reason is lack of passion and easy money.sachin n dravid still have passion,others dont

  • on August 5, 2011, 11:35 GMT

    Players are tired? Too much cricket? Then tell me, WHY only these HANDFUL of players are selected for ALL matches, whether 20-20, OR or test matches? Arn't there any other good player in India who can be selected in the Indian team? Of course there are, there are dime a dozen excellent players in India who deserves to be in the team, but then captain Dhoni "does not want" them to be in the team. Remember Saurabh Tiwari (junior dhoni), remeber Irfan Pathan? Who asked Dhoni to be captain in all 3 formats and then in IPL as well? At one hand, he want to gobble everything on the plate and then he complains of indigestion! Dhoni is responsible for keeping only those players in team who are in his good books; otherwise if another player is even selected in the team, he will not be included in the playing 11. Kapil Dev used to bowl in 5 day test matches but never complained of being tired. Boycott rightly asked about Zaheer Khan; "when was the last time he bowled in a 3 day match?"

  • on August 5, 2011, 10:01 GMT

    why did pady upton left indian team af6er the world cup , the bcci should have retained him, he could have been big factor , he knew exactly abt all indian pl;ayers .. som things we public cant understand .. or is it kirsten took upton along with him ??

  • Vivekn on August 5, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    @just_chill_chill: Do you have the pressure of being watched by 1.2 Bn people I dont think so. Guys our Team India needs support not the thrashing. I have been supporting this team from the past many years and I will do it everytime they will go out and play for us. Will you be supporting Mumbai Indian if Sachin would be sitting out and will be preparing for some Overseas tournament no right. Players like Sachin, Dhoni and all the top players play IPL for there Fans not for the money. They can earn that much of money by endorsing with a top company as well they dont have to play for 7 weeks for that but then we fan would not enjoy IPL then. Team India needs our support please support them.

  • Ashu23 on August 5, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    Mental fatigue? They should have taken a break and opted out of the few ipl matches. England aswell had tight schedule before they came to india to play the world cup later on they played srilanka n nw they playin india. They had long tour in australia . Morever out of this playing eleven, Zaheer Gambhir, Sachin, Sehwag, praveen, Yuvraj havent played any cricket since IPL they were rested ( 3 months of break). Moreover Dravid and Laxman are test specalist, they didnt play world cup and kept themselves fit during those times since the last test was played. Only Dhoni, Raina, Harbhajan, ishant, munaf are the ones who played worldcup, IPL , west Indies and now England tour. Munaf is not in the playing XI any way. Yuvraj opted out of west indies tour. Dhoni , Raina and Harbhajan needs rest. Apart from these 3 guys , everyone else had enough time to rest and get ready for this important series. 3 mnths is lng enuf time to get prepared for imp tours. I think we were underprepared.

  • Chris_P on August 5, 2011, 9:29 GMT

    @everstone. England was involved in a fierce one day contest in Australia after the Ashes. I don't recall them offering up an excuse if mental exhaustion then? Chuckles at you as you seem to have forgotten India's abysmal efforts in past WC's also losing to 2nd tier nastions (recall the 07 WC). Fact of life, every test playing nation will lose a game or 2 to a 2nd tier nation at one point. What they won't do is lose to them consistently. What breathing space are you talking about. Everyone knew how important this series was, yet many of the Indian players have turned up looking porkier than usual. Is that mental fatigue?

  • on August 5, 2011, 9:13 GMT

    @Sweetspot - No test series is 'piddly'. For anyone who has played the game at any decent level - it is obvious that test match cricket is the highest form of the game simply because it demands the highest level of skill, concentration, strength, stamina and speed in all the three disciplines of bowling, batting and fielding. It also demands similar levels of appreciation from the audience. There is a role for 20-20, of course, which is fundamentally a much less demanding form and can be used to attract a new audience to the game. But the important thing is that it is used to strengthen, not weaken, the best form of the game. All this MBA speak about IPL as a 'venture' etc. tries to disguise the fact that IPL and 20-20, despite some interesting formal innovations, serves overall to lower the standards of the game. We should not, as cricket lovers and players, simply lie down and accept this.

  • on August 5, 2011, 8:52 GMT

    @sweetspot: for your kind kind information - the IPL viewership is going down every year.

  • johnathonjosephs on August 5, 2011, 8:29 GMT

    One has to think, though, that even though the Indians have been involved in a lot of cricket, the English and Australians have been involved in way more cricket (Ashes is 5 Tests and 7 ODIs) tours. The English have the hunger to do good, while I feel India has lost their hunger in the Test arena after winning the world cup and after getting paid lots of money in T20. IPL and other high paying T20 tournaments is killing Test Cricket. Thank God the English don't participate in that. India isn't the same team it was when they toured South Africa, hungry to prove their number 1 spot. That being said, England is far better than India. India have two or three players injured and their team is thrashed relentlessly. England have two players down (previous man of series Chris Tremlett and THE Run Machine Jonathon Trott) and they still thrash India. England has good backup bowlers like Finn, and Bresnan (who got a 5 for and 90 runs!), while India has Sreesanth..... you tell me whos better

  • johnathonjosephs on August 5, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    I do not believe that there is a clear cut No. 1 team in the world at this point in time. England can beat India in England and India can beat England in India. Put South Africa in the equation (a team who can beat any team anywhere) and you have 3 No. 1 teams. Even Sri Lanka is a contestant, being unbeaten in their own homes for 7 years and putting up a better fight than the Indians currently are with a way more depleted side. Whether it be mental fatigue or whatever,the Indian side is definetely not in a mental state to win the series in England.I blame this on many factors, none of them being "fatigue".For one, the captain has not been performing. Mr. Cool has been worse than his tailenders with the bat and bad behind the stumps as well. Tendulkar is not functioning properly either and Harbhajan looks emotionally wrecked (maybe the Dhoni advertisement?).Was waiting for an English Thrashing, but its not fun watching India get thrashed this badly. Actually feel sorry for the Indians

  • YorkshirePudding on August 5, 2011, 7:50 GMT

    I have sympathy for the players, its not just india that get mentally drained, especially after seeing how drained the england players were after the recent ashes in Australia that was only 5 tests, and 4 games against state/a sides. Playing at 100% all the time is mentally and physically draining. Its compounded when you're losing and losing big, however when your winning the draining effect is lessened. India hasnt been helped by being 2 key players down for the first two tests.

  • sweetspot on August 5, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    No, I don't want to see any of our players sacrificing the IPL to be better at Tests. The IPL is an Indian venture and deserves to be the MOST successful thing in cricket. Why should a US$4billion league that is the flagship of commercial success for cricket be compromised for a piddly Test series? Expanding the game of cricket depends more on the success of elements like the IPL rather than the "traditional" humdrum of Test cricket, no matter how much hardcore fans, including myself will be glued to Tests. Cold logic, however, leads me to think the shorter, simpler, more colourful, fun format of T20 will race far ahead into the places where cricket is yet unknown. I'd be excited by 50 countries in a cricket WC, and that won't come about by playing these games in formals.

  • anonymousfan on August 5, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    @just_chill_chill dude do you think any of us can even dream of making as much money as these Indian cricketers make. So you are okay if they earn their fat paycheques but think up a "one billion people" excuse when its time to perform ? This is their chosen profession and they are expected to perform.

  • on August 5, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    Dear all I think Paddy is 100% right....and those who says they work for 5 days of week or 40-50 hours a week let me tell you, i was professional cricket 7-8 years back and I know how hard it has been to recover from one day match....it took 1and half day to recover physically & mentally...and it is even hard if you lost the match...you are just thinking if this goes right or that goes right result would be different...but it just a game of cricket where someone win & someone lose....we Indian always expect Indian team to win...but that is not the case my dear country men...just think we are the only team who became Rank one in all the format with this team only.....and that is the rule of nature that those who climb up will come down one day....just wish our team for good luck to play good match....All the best to Team India....

  • on August 5, 2011, 6:00 GMT

    England is the best side on paper and on the ground. Cannot argue with that. Barring The Three Musketeers SRT/RD/VVS and The duo --VS/GG the rest are crap in playing a test. By the way there is a time for each Cricket playing Nation to be on the top spot. Uptil now England were in the bottom now it is their turn. Just Enjoy Cricket. Hope India puts up a fight and at least try to live up to the expectations of the fans.

  • IndieFan on August 5, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    Guys!! give the players a break and stop blaming them for playing in the IPL. I ask this question to each of you who are commenting over here that the players should have skipped IPL and chosen to prepare for the country. Would you have done it if it were you. You can just write here that you would have. But think about it honestly, if there is a million dollars available for playing just 4-5 weeks, why would you want to miss that!! They are also human. I see a bit of jealousy written all over in these comments.

  • on August 5, 2011, 4:50 GMT

    One cant burn the candle both the ends..no time to iron out flaws n the nets and preparation sacrificed bigtime!

  • AjaySridharan on August 5, 2011, 3:24 GMT

    I go back to the article Manjrekar has written...these are lame excuses and don't deserve any sympathy. These are grown ups...it's not like these series dropped on the schedule without any warning. The Board, the captain and the players are smart enough (or should be) to know what's coming, how to prepare and be in peak shape. IPL is killing not only the quality of cricket on offer, but also the overall fitness and techniques of the players. Unfortunately, it is here to stay...yet again, India as a nation has chosen chest thumping on quick wins over sustained pursuit of excellence.

  • NRI- on August 5, 2011, 3:12 GMT

    Poor excuse, Paddy. Most of us work 5-6 days a week, 40-50 hours a week all year round except for 4 weeks of holiday and some public holidays. Injuries happen more often in fact to rested players out of condition like Zaheer. India does not have the bench strength needed to be no 1. You need 16-18 players at the top of their games and reserve batsmen and bowlers who can play almost as well as the main guys. Even in the main attack, Praveen lacks pace, HS really needs a rest, Sreesanth lacks consistency. England have the reverse problem, they have to choose two out of Bresnan, Broad and Tremlett, not to mention Finn. Now that is bench strength. Remember when WI had Holding, Marshall, Croft, Garner and a few others - the problem was who to leave out not who to take if ALL were fit.

  • just_chill_chill on August 5, 2011, 2:59 GMT

    @AvidCricFan "I go to work every day 5 days a week. I am expected to perform and have to. " - Do you have 1.2 billion people watching you every single second of the day?

  • AvidCricFan on August 5, 2011, 1:11 GMT

    Gambhir, Zaheer, Tendulkar, Yuvraj and Dhoni were not part of the WI series. Dravid and VVS were not in WC and one days. They had been given reasonable rest. Issue with many, like Zaheer, is keeping up with fitness during off time. In fact, the mental issue could be handling the success of the WC win not overwork. I go to work every day 5 days a week. I am expected to perform and have to. These players have chosen cricket as their profession. They should take is seriously and perform or get out of the way to give young ones chance.

  • everstone on August 5, 2011, 1:10 GMT

    Chris_P: Have you forgotten how pathetically England had planned for the world cup, and ended up losing to Ireland, of all nations?! India prepared, and India executed. Nothing wrong in giving the boys a bit of breathing space. Pro sportsmen, alright..but losing to a second tier nation..lol.

  • primal_d on August 5, 2011, 1:08 GMT

    first 2 admit that even if india was fully fit, drawing the series would have been tough. great eng team. having said that, pressure on india team (even indian fans!) is scarcely believable and has 2 be experienced. even if eng wins or loses all the test and odi matches until 2013, brits are still going to watch football and care less. india watches nothing but cricket and movies and want dream ending in both. heck, Dhoni is under more pressure even to win a freakin toss than strauss is to win the ashes.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on August 5, 2011, 0:31 GMT

    Mental fatigue an excuse for a 319 run loss? No thanks. Ind need hunger, they have the tools to bounce back but they are gonna need luck. Dhoni out of form? I think OUT OF TECHNIQUE. He should learn to play a moving ball.

  • Chris_P on August 4, 2011, 22:57 GMT

    What sort of excuse is this? England has come off an Ashes campaign, World Cup, the start of their own domestic season, a 3 test series against stronger opposition and they seem fine, in fact more than fine. We are supposed to be talking about professional sportsmen here. And don't forget a few of them had a break against the WI. Perhaps if the article had headlined "Mental toughness is not what it should be", perhaps it would ring true. The only fatigue I can possibly see is carrying their IPL cash in their pockets.

  • sreesam on August 4, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    All these players fully know about the physical and mental fatigue...but made sure that they did NOT miss even a single IPL game!! The players themselves know about this but cannot say anything because they will be 'forced' to rest in the next IPL and they do not want that to happen!! Dhoni is probably saving his energy for the big bash tournament.

  • on August 4, 2011, 22:43 GMT

    v Difficult to came back in series & beat England .. India Goona Loose 4-0 i m dam sure

  • on August 4, 2011, 22:33 GMT

    Workload excuse? No, thanks! India are not the only one! England - Ashes, WC, SL, Ind, Pak, SL. Australia - Ashes, WC, B'desh, SL, SA, NZ, Ind. Players all over the world have busy schedules now and Aus are up for a very difficult 6 months against top sides all around the world. When Eng & Aus performed poorly at the WC after coming off a grueling series (5 tests, 2 T20s, 7 ODIs), I saw loads of Indian fans ridiculing them. If they didn't accept this reason that time, why should they accept it this time? No double-standards for god's sake!

  • indian_rockers_2015_champs on August 4, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    only reason for fatigue is useless ipl matches.................and some meaningless tours ..i hate ipl...

  • cricmatters on August 4, 2011, 22:09 GMT

    India were very poorly prepared for this series both mentally and physically. In the past they have managed to draw or win even when not playing at their 100% but now the other teams have caught up with them. I think too much is being said about No. 1 rankings but I don't think Englad would be able to hold on to it for long. The top four teams will continue to go up and down in rankings depending on the amount of cricket played in the future.

  • Alexk400 on August 4, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    Another excuse. Get another layer. I am tired of Indian coaching staff. They just make money does nothing. Journey man coaches. No advanced planning. Not even reactive. They are going with idea of don't break until it break. Well they should have gone with 4 fast bowlers in 2nd test. They fail to do that. Now they will go with mishra instead of 4 fast bowlers knowing mishra give too much run per over to apply pressure. Mishra do not spin the ball well because his fingers are small. I hope duncan quit after going 4-0 down. He is unfit for indian team. Another greg chappel mould. Players are not responding well.

  • on August 4, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    i agree with nampally. also if its fatigue..what stops the player themselves from saying, i am sorry i cant play the ipl?!

  • ramanan.ch on August 4, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    All this noise is after this IPL introduction and comes only after heavy defeats. Haven't heard much like this before and hears nothing like this during IPL auctions. Now, these players can easily use IPL window to take rest. Because, Indian board is not going to get any tours during IPL and if these players can skip that voluntarily and go for rest family tours, they may feel better. Recently, Tony Creig read some statistics in a TV(I forgot) that in reality, the amount of cricket played at the moment is indeed less than the no of matches played before(decades ago). I think the problem now is switching series with really short tours and then traveling to another place. The tours should be planned for at-least 3~5 test matches and 5 one dayers and a 2~3 of weeks rest for them before the next tour. And, play against good quality sides. Don't keep on playing nearby..

  • Nampally on August 4, 2011, 21:19 GMT

    Giving the excuse of mental fatigue does not fly. Half the Indian team got a break from the WI tour. This 3 month lay off should have given them enough rest especially for players like Tendulkar, Zaheer, Gambhir, Sehwag & Yuvraj. Zaheer has reinjured himself because he never kept up with physical training during this lay off and was out of shape. Tendulkar batted poorly in the first 2 tests. Only Dravid & Laxman have shown some consistency.Of course Gambhir & Sehwag never got a chance to show up but they have a golden chance now. They are both mentally & physically rested. Compare this with what England faced - Aussie series, World cup, SL series and now Indian series.Is that noe comparable fatigue?

  • Sam_Patel_US on August 4, 2011, 21:19 GMT

    well said paddy upton....you have given the inside look into players life style, I know cricfans(specially our Indian cricfans) don't care abt anything...they just want to win win and win. i saw them celebrating worldcup victory few months back screaming in streets India Is the Champion. All these cricketers were heroes. Two games lost against england, I can see same cricket fans ,,,how they treating their heroes. Most of them have no cricketing knowledge or logic behind their rude and harsh comments. It wouldn't have made any difference if India would have won first two test matches....it was just matter of time...the moment they would lose any match...knives are out and cricket fans would ask for their blood. Indian team players have been walking on the sharp edge of the sword for years and it would never change unless Indian cricket fans start understanding that winning and losing is part of the games..

  • Meety on August 4, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    Excuses, excuses. Sorry, but that is not an acceptable excuse. England's workload generally has a higher International match content. Oz do too, India have a domestic circus that is expanding - but that is self inflicted. Also - several key players skipped a tour of the WIndies, so its not about mental strength. The fact is the Indians are underdone, & that's why the tour has turned into a nightmare. End of story!

  • hjthespawn on August 4, 2011, 20:37 GMT

    The players themselves are to be blamed for this mental fatigue. Nobody is forcing them to play a hundred games in IPL and sponsoring every product in the country.

  • Yevghenny on August 4, 2011, 20:22 GMT

    Is the IPL really that mentally tiring?

  • on August 4, 2011, 20:20 GMT

    another excuse... Indian fan, Indian supporter and Indian commentators, just tell me one thing , If there is no mental of physical fatigue , If Zahir Khan had not Injured, If Sehwag played all test,, and in all these circumstances, what if India still come out as looser

    You people need to give England some credit, i say atleast some credit for their exceptional and out standing display, Go England

  • vickyrIND on August 4, 2011, 20:02 GMT

    India have a big pool of player but they are not getting managed smartly. Within the current test team most of the players are playing (suppose to play) all matches in all form of cricket whether IPL, ODI, T20, test etc. They should be getting rotated and there should be a max and min number or matches assinged to each player in the contracted pool. In any circumstances none of player should be allowed to play more than the assigned matches. That will also help the bench players motivated and keep active. In that way we can maintain a balance between the players and also keep them fit. In the current pool of 30-35 contrancted players by BCCI some of them are playing 50 matches or even more per season while others are just limited to 10-15 or sometimes none and that is one of the biggest reason of mental and physical fatigue. Rotation policy should be implemented strictly and not as optional. This will also take care of the STAR status of the cricketers as well.

  • on August 4, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    At last some meaning to this madness. Only insane person can ask dhoni to be sacked. Hope this upson view will help in opening the eyes of the common man

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  • on August 4, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    At last some meaning to this madness. Only insane person can ask dhoni to be sacked. Hope this upson view will help in opening the eyes of the common man

  • vickyrIND on August 4, 2011, 20:02 GMT

    India have a big pool of player but they are not getting managed smartly. Within the current test team most of the players are playing (suppose to play) all matches in all form of cricket whether IPL, ODI, T20, test etc. They should be getting rotated and there should be a max and min number or matches assinged to each player in the contracted pool. In any circumstances none of player should be allowed to play more than the assigned matches. That will also help the bench players motivated and keep active. In that way we can maintain a balance between the players and also keep them fit. In the current pool of 30-35 contrancted players by BCCI some of them are playing 50 matches or even more per season while others are just limited to 10-15 or sometimes none and that is one of the biggest reason of mental and physical fatigue. Rotation policy should be implemented strictly and not as optional. This will also take care of the STAR status of the cricketers as well.

  • on August 4, 2011, 20:20 GMT

    another excuse... Indian fan, Indian supporter and Indian commentators, just tell me one thing , If there is no mental of physical fatigue , If Zahir Khan had not Injured, If Sehwag played all test,, and in all these circumstances, what if India still come out as looser

    You people need to give England some credit, i say atleast some credit for their exceptional and out standing display, Go England

  • Yevghenny on August 4, 2011, 20:22 GMT

    Is the IPL really that mentally tiring?

  • hjthespawn on August 4, 2011, 20:37 GMT

    The players themselves are to be blamed for this mental fatigue. Nobody is forcing them to play a hundred games in IPL and sponsoring every product in the country.

  • Meety on August 4, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    Excuses, excuses. Sorry, but that is not an acceptable excuse. England's workload generally has a higher International match content. Oz do too, India have a domestic circus that is expanding - but that is self inflicted. Also - several key players skipped a tour of the WIndies, so its not about mental strength. The fact is the Indians are underdone, & that's why the tour has turned into a nightmare. End of story!

  • Sam_Patel_US on August 4, 2011, 21:19 GMT

    well said paddy upton....you have given the inside look into players life style, I know cricfans(specially our Indian cricfans) don't care abt anything...they just want to win win and win. i saw them celebrating worldcup victory few months back screaming in streets India Is the Champion. All these cricketers were heroes. Two games lost against england, I can see same cricket fans ,,,how they treating their heroes. Most of them have no cricketing knowledge or logic behind their rude and harsh comments. It wouldn't have made any difference if India would have won first two test matches....it was just matter of time...the moment they would lose any match...knives are out and cricket fans would ask for their blood. Indian team players have been walking on the sharp edge of the sword for years and it would never change unless Indian cricket fans start understanding that winning and losing is part of the games..

  • Nampally on August 4, 2011, 21:19 GMT

    Giving the excuse of mental fatigue does not fly. Half the Indian team got a break from the WI tour. This 3 month lay off should have given them enough rest especially for players like Tendulkar, Zaheer, Gambhir, Sehwag & Yuvraj. Zaheer has reinjured himself because he never kept up with physical training during this lay off and was out of shape. Tendulkar batted poorly in the first 2 tests. Only Dravid & Laxman have shown some consistency.Of course Gambhir & Sehwag never got a chance to show up but they have a golden chance now. They are both mentally & physically rested. Compare this with what England faced - Aussie series, World cup, SL series and now Indian series.Is that noe comparable fatigue?

  • ramanan.ch on August 4, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    All this noise is after this IPL introduction and comes only after heavy defeats. Haven't heard much like this before and hears nothing like this during IPL auctions. Now, these players can easily use IPL window to take rest. Because, Indian board is not going to get any tours during IPL and if these players can skip that voluntarily and go for rest family tours, they may feel better. Recently, Tony Creig read some statistics in a TV(I forgot) that in reality, the amount of cricket played at the moment is indeed less than the no of matches played before(decades ago). I think the problem now is switching series with really short tours and then traveling to another place. The tours should be planned for at-least 3~5 test matches and 5 one dayers and a 2~3 of weeks rest for them before the next tour. And, play against good quality sides. Don't keep on playing nearby..

  • on August 4, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    i agree with nampally. also if its fatigue..what stops the player themselves from saying, i am sorry i cant play the ipl?!