England v India, 3rd npower Test, Edgbaston, 1st day August 10, 2011

England's bowlers bury India

In keeping with their current reputation, England's bowlers were relentless in their pursuit of breakthroughs, even on a wicket that proved to be a lot less responsive than might have been expected
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There's surely no way back into the series for India now. At Lord's and Trent Bridge, they held the upper hand for sessions at a time, only for England's force majeure to snatch the ascendancy from their grasp. Today at Edgbaston, on the other hand, they were not allowed even to pretend they had control, as two grievous blows at either end of the morning session condemned their batsman to their fifth consecutive sub-300 total. They now face the prospect of a long stint in the field against an opposition who have the No. 1 ranking in their grasp, and show no signs whatsoever of relinquishing it.

If Virender Sehwag's first-ball dismissal was the sort of accident that can happen to opening batsmen, particularly those returning from a three-month lay-off, then Rahul Dravid's detonation, right on the stroke of lunch, was a different entity entirely. Tim Bresnan is not the sort of chap with whom you'd normally associate such flashes of inspiration, but when he pegged back Dravid's off stump with a ball he's only ever bettered "in the nets", he confirmed the old truism that practice makes perfect.

"Like my old coach Steve Oldham used to say, 'top of off kid, and just land it on the seam'," said Bresnan. "It does work, because if you just hang in them areas long enough, you're going to get balls to just go like that."

In keeping with their current reputation, England's bowlers were relentless in their pursuit of breakthroughs, even on a wicket that proved to be a lot less responsive than might have been expected with a healthy grass covering and a heavy cloud cover. "It swung a bit, but not like Trent Bridge," said Bresnan. "We expected it to be a bit quicker and maybe seam a little bit more than it actually did, but as a seamer you look at the wicket and think 'yeah, I'd prefer to bowl on that now rather than later when it's flattened out'."

Chris Tremlett's ongoing back problems spared the selectors an awkward decision in the build-up to this Test, but even if he'd been fit, it's doubtful whether he'd have done a better job than Bresnan - a bowler who is now forging a reputation as England's slow wicket specialist. From the featherbeds of Bangladesh via a pudding at the MCG, he's showcased the stamina and discipline to harry his opponents into errors, as well the flashes of brilliance that ensure no-one dare to take him for any liberties. It was a loose drive from Gautam Gambhir that set India's collapse in motion, but as with the Dravid jaffa, that very moment was the product first and foremost of tenacity.

That tenacity extends to the whole of England's seam attack, for there is no weak link at present. James Anderson topped and tailed the innings to deny Bresnan and Broad a shot at their fifth wicket of the day, but given that he came into the contest as a reserve, Bresnan could hardly feel short-changed by a tally of nine wickets in two innings. "It is nice that the wickets were shared around a bit," he said. "It has definitely got the hunting-in-the-pack mentality to it. We do enjoy each other's success, which is great for going forward with team spirit."

India's coach, Duncan Fletcher, can only look on ruefully. In his seven years with England, Fletcher became accustomed to dominance on English soil, with the Ashes defeat of 2001 his only series loss in this country. Right now, however, he's more or less resigned to another dent in that record, for today's events had the same sort of one-sided feel as that rubber. Australia's spearheads on that trip were Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie, two men whose methods also centred around constriction.

"They are bowling well as a unit, they have good back-up, and they've been effective as we can see from the way they have performed," said Fletcher. "They are a good combination, they hunt in a pack well, which is very, very important, and they've got a good intensity. And they've really been helped by the conditions, by the way it has swung and seamed."

Fletcher's last point is debatable, however, for this was not a wicket that screeched with demons. It did not zip round corners to anything like the extent witnessed on the first morning at Trent Bridge, which meant that the parallels between England's recovery from 124 for 8 on that occasion and India's recovery from 111 for 7 weren't entirely applicable. Whereas England's collapse had been dramatic but understandable, India's really should not have happened in the first place.

"We are not naive enough to think that there was not going to be a partnership," said Bresnan of the stand between MS Dhoni and Praveen Kumar that spared a few of India's blushes. "It doesn't happen every time, that you blitz out their tail. Just because it happened twice at Trent Bridge is not to say the tail won't wag a little bit. From experience as the ball gets little older and softer, the wicket starts to do a little bit less, so you can't really rough them up, and it does get a little bit easier to bat."

That point was amply demonstrated in the final session, as Alastair Cook and Andrew Strauss reminded India's batsmen what it takes to tough it out in Test cricket. Both men have been in ropey form this series, but each found a tempo to suit their personal circumstances, with Cook concentrating on rediscovering that judgment outside off stump that had driven the Aussies to distraction, and Strauss taking a more aggressive approach to batter ten boundaries in his first home half-century since the corresponding Test last summer.

"It was a great day of Test cricket for us," said Bresnan. "To stick 'em in, bowl 'em out, and be 80 for 0, we'd take that at the start of play. I know that sounds like a massive cliché but it's definitely true."

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | August 12, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    it is a good performance by English team under(read English conditions)... as far as no 1 slot is concerned both teams are incapable of it....still cant forget how english were royally massacred by Srilanka in WC semifinal....long way to go...(doubt broad and company would be effective in Indian conditions)...but for now England should enjoy while the sun is shining ...

  • POSTED BY neil99 on | August 12, 2011, 1:35 GMT

    @ Iyer. Lol. If only you could turn back time...

    "Their (Englands) top order batting is a concern" Alastair Cook (unbeaten 182, a 19th Test hundred) added 187 for the first wicket alongside Andrew Strauss (87).

    "Let us not forget their first two victories were driven by performance by tail enders and not due to their top order batting." Having a tail that bats down to no. 10 is a weakness? Hmmm. If only India had such strength in depth.

    "England is not playing at the level of world number 1" India (the current no.1) can't even score 300. The batting line-up was hailed as the best in the world and they have been crushed and totally embarrassed. England have chalked up 4 x 100s - 3 x 150+; India has managed just 2 x 100s England has notched up 10 x 50s; India just 6 England bolwers have taken 46 wkts; India just 31 India fielding has been appalling as has Dhoni's captaincy.

    In short, India have been totally and utterly outlclassed in every department.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 13:46 GMT

    All those who are calling for indian fans, here I am and I agree that england have been a better team in this series by far margin, however calling england as the next great team will be a bit too early, I feel they will be out of top spot soon, only SA looks like capable of staying there for long period. As dar as indian team, I am disappointed and sad.All those who are calling for indian fans, here I am and I agree that england have been a better team in this series by far margin, however calling england as the next great team will be a bit too early, I feel they will be out of top spot soon, only SA looks like capable of staying there for long period. As dar as indian team, I am disappointed and sad.

  • POSTED BY shrastogi on | August 11, 2011, 13:09 GMT

    Englishmen are bowling well but they are made to look more potent by Indian batting. There has been a talk of more practice games for India when they tour abroad. I'm all for it as youngsters and those touring for first time do get used to conditions. I doubt if couple of practice games would have made any difference in this tour as except Dravid Indian experienced batters have failed. But BCCI should ask for a few games in Australia. Ganguly on ESPN commentary team thought India should have batted first in first two tests. I think those matches then would have got over in 3 days. The way England is batting here 5th day would come into play only if Indian batting changes dramatically.

  • POSTED BY Roshini on | August 11, 2011, 12:41 GMT

    OMG!!!! What is happening to worlds no # 1 test team and where are the so called God's and Demi God's who were pre hyped to give England a great hiding in this series. I think even the supporters have gone silent for not being able to prevent losing the test supremacy.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    England has played extremely well...but honestly india are themselves to blame in both the test matches there were in position to dictate terms but they let it slip away...or call it luck...they could have been 2-0 up...so i wont be too critical ..things that put apart both teams ..first the form of batsmen...sadly all indians are failing...they need a collective effort...secondly the lower order ..england bat down till number 10 and those batsmen are ideal for test cricket...as they can take their own time to settle..i doubt they would be effective in shorter format as would be under pressure to score quickly...and i dont see indian lower order improving in their batting...had it been sub continent i would have given them a chance..but it wont be fair in england when even the top order batsmen have struggled...and i do think we require some fresh faces...some people say pujara...but seeing him in south africa im not too convinced he could have done any better here.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:24 GMT

    india was absolutely poor in thier approach ,v sehwag wat a waste of a talent !!!

  • POSTED BY AzmeAlishan on | August 11, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Sachin fails again to help India win or even save India. A very talked about series and an important one too but Sachin as usual failed to bat for India. I guess Imran was right when he said that Sachin's battiinh has never helped India. All his centuries and batting records has never helped win matches instead has only resulted in piling up personal records for himself.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:20 GMT

    Haha India this is just a preview of things to come over the next few years when Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman retire. You can carry on all you want about how good Tendulkar is but he's not going to be around forever. If India has proved anything it's that they have overachieved with this current crop of players and have become number1 by luck rather than outright brilliance and consistency.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:13 GMT

    No excuses any more from us Indian fans, please. We are totally humiliated by these 'performances' - the batting has been spineless, the bowling, without Zaheer, is toothless (as was expected by all except us on-eyed Indian fans) and the fielding has been pathetic. It has been a very very very embarrassing month for us, and its not over yet. England deserve to be No1. Me thinks, the time to congratulate Team England has arrived. All of us Indian fans, bitterly hurt as we are, must applaud an England team which has played superbly throughout(and more or less wiped the floor with us)! Well done, England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 12, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    it is a good performance by English team under(read English conditions)... as far as no 1 slot is concerned both teams are incapable of it....still cant forget how english were royally massacred by Srilanka in WC semifinal....long way to go...(doubt broad and company would be effective in Indian conditions)...but for now England should enjoy while the sun is shining ...

  • POSTED BY neil99 on | August 12, 2011, 1:35 GMT

    @ Iyer. Lol. If only you could turn back time...

    "Their (Englands) top order batting is a concern" Alastair Cook (unbeaten 182, a 19th Test hundred) added 187 for the first wicket alongside Andrew Strauss (87).

    "Let us not forget their first two victories were driven by performance by tail enders and not due to their top order batting." Having a tail that bats down to no. 10 is a weakness? Hmmm. If only India had such strength in depth.

    "England is not playing at the level of world number 1" India (the current no.1) can't even score 300. The batting line-up was hailed as the best in the world and they have been crushed and totally embarrassed. England have chalked up 4 x 100s - 3 x 150+; India has managed just 2 x 100s England has notched up 10 x 50s; India just 6 England bolwers have taken 46 wkts; India just 31 India fielding has been appalling as has Dhoni's captaincy.

    In short, India have been totally and utterly outlclassed in every department.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 13:46 GMT

    All those who are calling for indian fans, here I am and I agree that england have been a better team in this series by far margin, however calling england as the next great team will be a bit too early, I feel they will be out of top spot soon, only SA looks like capable of staying there for long period. As dar as indian team, I am disappointed and sad.All those who are calling for indian fans, here I am and I agree that england have been a better team in this series by far margin, however calling england as the next great team will be a bit too early, I feel they will be out of top spot soon, only SA looks like capable of staying there for long period. As dar as indian team, I am disappointed and sad.

  • POSTED BY shrastogi on | August 11, 2011, 13:09 GMT

    Englishmen are bowling well but they are made to look more potent by Indian batting. There has been a talk of more practice games for India when they tour abroad. I'm all for it as youngsters and those touring for first time do get used to conditions. I doubt if couple of practice games would have made any difference in this tour as except Dravid Indian experienced batters have failed. But BCCI should ask for a few games in Australia. Ganguly on ESPN commentary team thought India should have batted first in first two tests. I think those matches then would have got over in 3 days. The way England is batting here 5th day would come into play only if Indian batting changes dramatically.

  • POSTED BY Roshini on | August 11, 2011, 12:41 GMT

    OMG!!!! What is happening to worlds no # 1 test team and where are the so called God's and Demi God's who were pre hyped to give England a great hiding in this series. I think even the supporters have gone silent for not being able to prevent losing the test supremacy.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    England has played extremely well...but honestly india are themselves to blame in both the test matches there were in position to dictate terms but they let it slip away...or call it luck...they could have been 2-0 up...so i wont be too critical ..things that put apart both teams ..first the form of batsmen...sadly all indians are failing...they need a collective effort...secondly the lower order ..england bat down till number 10 and those batsmen are ideal for test cricket...as they can take their own time to settle..i doubt they would be effective in shorter format as would be under pressure to score quickly...and i dont see indian lower order improving in their batting...had it been sub continent i would have given them a chance..but it wont be fair in england when even the top order batsmen have struggled...and i do think we require some fresh faces...some people say pujara...but seeing him in south africa im not too convinced he could have done any better here.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:24 GMT

    india was absolutely poor in thier approach ,v sehwag wat a waste of a talent !!!

  • POSTED BY AzmeAlishan on | August 11, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Sachin fails again to help India win or even save India. A very talked about series and an important one too but Sachin as usual failed to bat for India. I guess Imran was right when he said that Sachin's battiinh has never helped India. All his centuries and batting records has never helped win matches instead has only resulted in piling up personal records for himself.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:20 GMT

    Haha India this is just a preview of things to come over the next few years when Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman retire. You can carry on all you want about how good Tendulkar is but he's not going to be around forever. If India has proved anything it's that they have overachieved with this current crop of players and have become number1 by luck rather than outright brilliance and consistency.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 12:13 GMT

    No excuses any more from us Indian fans, please. We are totally humiliated by these 'performances' - the batting has been spineless, the bowling, without Zaheer, is toothless (as was expected by all except us on-eyed Indian fans) and the fielding has been pathetic. It has been a very very very embarrassing month for us, and its not over yet. England deserve to be No1. Me thinks, the time to congratulate Team England has arrived. All of us Indian fans, bitterly hurt as we are, must applaud an England team which has played superbly throughout(and more or less wiped the floor with us)! Well done, England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    india no match for engl so far ths series this series has bin 1 sided its all bin engl all ova india just like in the ashes wen engl were all ova aus

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 10:34 GMT

    yes.. England is the better team as of now... undoubtedly.. accepted.. As of to Team India they should realize that they cannot land in england just like that and stick their flag of victory... which essentially needs a lot of fitness, homework, hardwork, techniques and tactics.. Thanks to the BCCI for making team india play in the 2 months IPL.. and not agreeing to the review system for LBW.. which already proved worse for india... No matter.. Gavaskar is always there to defend the BCCI..

  • POSTED BY Lionz on | August 11, 2011, 10:18 GMT

    If India arrived in the early summer, their performances could have been worse. This series shows how over-rated the Indian batsmen are.

  • POSTED BY stormy16 on | August 11, 2011, 10:12 GMT

    I am afraid this star studded Indian batting lineup is up in the stars it seems - I cannot believe the way guys with over 100 tests are batting in these conditions!! Eng have been fantastic and what about Broad. Many called for his head ahead of the first test (me included) and now he is showing some real class. The depth of the Eng fast bowlers is scary when you consider Tremlet is injured. Ind have one last chance this morning to get in to Eng or its all over. It always amazes me how the same wicket looks very different when the opponents bat and there could be no better example than yesterday.

  • POSTED BY vishwa_a on | August 11, 2011, 9:51 GMT

    Super bowling by England! Not easy for players to just come, adjust and play. Remember -- Pakistan making just 70-80 runs last year...

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | August 11, 2011, 9:40 GMT

    Indian selectors didn't pick the team to suit the conditions. I don't know why they put Sehwag to open. He is coming from some 8 months lay off straight into the swinging conditions in England to face the new ball. They had Mukund showing some good form and they really should have opened with him. Sehwag could have batted at 6. I am sure he would have counter attacked very well in that conditions where even Kumar and Dhoni looked good. Anyway, it is past. All credits to England and full shame to the Indian batting line-up. They have managed to rattle this famous batting line-up with a bowling line-up which is only slightly better than average. Only real strength I can see in England is their batting depth with quality all-rounders in abundance. One positive about India's failure will be, Dhoni will probably lose the captaincy. He is a good player and is unique. Cricket needs players like him. But, his captaincy has been a big let down.

  • POSTED BY ListenToMe on | August 11, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    Now face the reality. This should be a wake up call for the selectors. India is only good in subcontinental conditions. This is just because they don't have enough test batsmen. We should have a separate test team. Remove Yuvraj and Raina and bring Pujara and Badrinath. When the fab 3 retires, we should have good test players to take their place. We have a lot of good test players in domestic cricket, but the selectors are sticking with just one team for both formats. This is really hurting India. Give the proven domestic players like Badrinath, Pujara, Ajankya Rahane, Rohit Sharma etc. Just look at their records and you will see how much better they are compared to Yuvraj and Raina. When the fab 3 retires, we still have enough good batsmen in domestic cricket who can fill the place. But the biased selectors give chances to players to their likes and spoil Indian cricket. I hope India should lose all matches until these ODI players are replaced with better test players.

  • POSTED BY madras_boy on | August 11, 2011, 9:11 GMT

    After watching yesterday's game, I can tell that India is not fit to be the No.1 team for now. It was like watching school cricket. I pity myself that i have got tickets for the 4th day. This match is definitely not worth 60 quids ! I hope the match gets over by 3rd day so that i can get a full refund of my ticket atleast ! - A frustrated indian fan.

  • POSTED BY Rajul_Tandon on | August 11, 2011, 9:05 GMT

    Super Performance from Engish bowlers...Though it pains to see India loosing like minnows but England had made India behave like this...After a long time (post Australia era) atleast there is a team with allround perfomance...even SA will not be able to match this current English team...All the best to new Test No 1's.... and I wont be surprised if this gets repeated in the following One dayers as well....So India pls come out of your past perfomances hangovers and start afresh....Congrats to all english fans....

  • POSTED BY Yevghenny on | August 11, 2011, 9:04 GMT

    so batting wise, India, the best batting line up in the world, have had a miserable series. They should rename this series England v Zaheer Khan, because that's the only thing left the Indians can point at for explaining this humiliation

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    @Michael Dickson : Come to India man. Win at least one test here , then we can think of considering you worthy for theno. 1 tag.

  • POSTED BY Dr.Vindaloo on | August 11, 2011, 8:11 GMT

    @millem: Bresnan is listed as fast-medium because of his shape. Fast bowlers should be toweringly tall like Morkel, small and wiry like Steyn, but definitely not built like a wheelbarrow.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 8:10 GMT

    england should have included steven finn in place of bopara..broad, bresnan both can bat well and if finn got chance india surely could not make 224.they would bowl out under 150 -175.bopara cant meet international level.4 men pace attack dent would dent india

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | August 11, 2011, 7:43 GMT

    India were certainly buried. Lack of heart and commitment by India. The very basic concept that partnerships need to be built in this team sport when batting was forgotten. India's pace attack will fail when conditions don't suit them be it in India or UK. They are slower. The fans of team India have been let down by this spineless display. Sometimes we feel whats the use of supporting a team which blows hot and cold. They are jaded - the seniors don't set a good example for the juniors. I think Rohit Sharma is probably the only good thing in India at the moment. Naresh28

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 7:42 GMT

    Where are all the Indian fans? Seems like the bubble is about to burst. Hand over the number one position to England and get back to reality. The dream is over!!

  • POSTED BY bhaloniaz on | August 11, 2011, 7:34 GMT

    @Iyer Its funny a lot of indian fans were bragging about their number 1 status and Sachin and Shewag hitting Tremlett and Broad out of test cricket. Now that England has done so well. Instead of congratulating England for their good play, we are investing our time saying England is not as good as old WI or Aus team. Who said they are? Not English fans. Many pointed out this is not as powerful as the 2005 team with Flintoff. England has not become number 1 team, how can they be as great as WI team that boasted Marshall, Garner, Holding, Croft and Roberts. Broad and Anderson would be happy to be remembered as good as Caddick or Gough. Tremlett can be great (but he only played a few tests). Lets enjoy the good game that England has played and the amount of talent they have (their reserves are equally good).

  • POSTED BY kr.saravanan on | August 11, 2011, 7:26 GMT

    sehwag's wicket was big + for England. Oh god , Kindly make way for sachins 100th TONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN please by K.R.S Tuticorin, India.

  • POSTED BY millem on | August 11, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    Why is Bresnan constantly listed as medium-fast in all forms of media? He now regularly bowls above 85mph and is consistently far faster than Anderson who is listed as Fast-Medium. Shurely shome mishtake.

  • POSTED BY Naresh28 on | August 11, 2011, 7:12 GMT

    England's bowlers have definetly buried India. Lack of commitment from India. Play as a team and not as individuals - that is what I would say to India. They have forgotten that there is a need to build partnerships when batting. Their pace bowlers will struggle on slower pitches even in India. After tiring tours team India is only going thru the throes of playing - no heart and commitment. Really if Dhoni & co would know how much they have let down their fans. Real rubbish.

  • POSTED BY sherishahmir on | August 11, 2011, 6:47 GMT

    It looks that indians really not prepare for this tour seriously, keeping view the Eng superb display over past six test series win and Indian weak reputation of overseas past performances and it is the most waited series for the decider of number one test team.

    The too many injuries for the leading indian cricketers and poor form of their top bats showed the fact of poor preparation or non seriousness of team india for this significant tour.

    I would end up in saying that moral of the story is to get the number one is probably easier but to maintain is the real task/challenge.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 6:29 GMT

    Bangladesh should play India in England.

  • POSTED BY AMLA-DRAVID-TROTT on | August 11, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    It is time for Raina to leave and give someone like rohit sharma a chance. I have never seen anyone wimper against the short ball. Dhoni is a one-in-10-innings-player. Dont expect him to perform in the rest of the series. India is going to lose unless England makes a tremendous blunder. 400 runs looks possible for them. England are definately a better side than India and their stay at No.1 will be longer than India's because they have a better bowling and fielding side and have good bench strength. However, they will never be as dominating as the WI's and OZ's and they still have to prove themselves in the subcontinent. I believe the next team who could be a true and supreme test team is SA. They are talented in all departments. Allan Donald and Gary(I wish he could come back) will bring SA to the next level.

  • POSTED BY PGW81 on | August 11, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    England bowlers made better use of the conditions and the Indian batsmen made poor use of their shot selection techniques. English Bowlers vs Indian Howlers. Other than Dravid who got out to a beauty the others just looked like they were ready for the next flight home. They lost the 1st test by 196 runs, the second by 300+ runs. Now they will try for an innings defeat and if possible, a defeat by two innings in the final test. So much for their consistency

  • POSTED BY Browndog1968 on | August 11, 2011, 6:00 GMT

    As an Aussie I am loath to say that England are the best team in the world at the moment. They have, by a long stretch, the best bowling attack going around in world cricket on any wicket. A bowling attack with the ability to collect 20 wickets in any conditions. I am not as convinced about their batting line up which, in my opinion, is equal to the best current line ups but not as good as those of the West Indies and Aussies in their periods of dominance. However, if you can consistantly keep other teams below 300 runs with a quality bowling outfit, a very good, but not brilliant, batting line up will allow you to win alot more tests than you will lose, in any conditions.

  • POSTED BY oops282 on | August 11, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    I am really Saddened by India's below par performance . For me , there is only one batsman in Indian Team who should bat and that is Rahul Dravid. Rest all should look for some other occupations. And its better we leave the Indian bowling aside as I don't consider it bowling when Stuart Broad ( A Tail Ender by designation) takes England out of shambles against the World Champions. The reason they were # 1 for some time was because of dead tracks that India is known for and they were playing all the Test Matches in India . Winning the WC would not have been a problem for India because they had what the pitch required for that particular endeavor . But this time around , it's a different ball game . This comes from India for betterment of Indian cricket. Bye now .

  • POSTED BY CSpiers on | August 11, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    @Iyer - That's one case of serious denial if I've ever heard one. Recognise the English bowling perhaps, or is your pride too large? Just because a team isnt a good as the dominant teams of the past doesnt mean they aren't no.1 right now. The England winnings were driven an all-round perfromance, batting, bowling, and fielding. that is what wins matches. Australia had many great tail end partnerships at their reign at the top, why must this take away from the quality of the team? you cannot expect a top order batsman to go out and get a big score more than 50-70% of the time. The key is they dont all fail on the same day. From an Australian, so many indian fans seem to not be able to comprehend that the majority of their batting lineup do not do well in swinging conditions, add this to an average bowling line-up and this all = a team that it is unable to adapt, a team that cannot adapt to the conditions of each continent can never be considered TRULY great.

  • POSTED BY valvolux on | August 11, 2011, 4:56 GMT

    awesome bowling attack - and all at a very good age - could dominate for a decade i reckon. truly the next australia this english team. no. 1 has been in limbo since about 2008, no one really looking that dominant. this english team has all bases covered and i think would do exactly the same to india in india.

    maybe just need another class spinner to be blooded, and need to get a few more batsmen on the outer a bit of test experience so they can slot in when there's injuries. they can afford to do that as australia did when the bowling attack is skittling opposition teams. question is, what sort of depth is there in english cricket? but while this 11 are out there, they'll smash anyone.

  • POSTED BY paulnath2 on | August 11, 2011, 4:46 GMT

    @Iyer If u r a NO1 team u should have proper replacements.U cant say these silly reasons.U have top run machines like sachin,dravid ,Dhoni and laxman.bt u haven't scored a 300+ in this series.Do u think KP, Bell and Prior r tail enders? haa haa.great joke. ENG is playing a top level game.ENG will be NO1 at the end of this series.I think Sl played much better cricket than this 'NO 1' IND team.SL managed to score 400 in two occasoins and a 300+ in three tests in wet conditions.they managed to draw atleast two of their three games.whereas the NO 1 team hasn't scored a 300+.With this match there r going to loose 3 in 3.

  • POSTED BY Shaktiamar on | August 11, 2011, 4:40 GMT

    Ind has fulfilled Kumble's vision statement with ascendancy to #1 Test ranking and winning the WC.When there are no goals left, fall is imminent and that's what has happened.We can blame BCCI, players, fletcher etc. but the point is that historically India have never been consistent performers at the top-level.We were having a golden age till now based on batting, but it was too much to expect that the batting will deliver forever.Btw,India are not the first #1 team to be mauled in a marque series.Aussies went to SAF in 1969-70 with a similar hype and were mauled 4-0.Basically, the all-round bowling of Saf was too much for the roos to handle.Ind are just portraying that bowlers win matches and history does repeat itself.Let's savour these last glimpses of the golden age of Indian batting.We might never see the likes of them again.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 4:31 GMT

    Sad as it may sound, India are trying to win games by getting their lower order to perform like Englands, while missing the bus in the top order, Gautham Gambir looked good today, but lost his wicket, Dravid is way too slow for a mordern day number 3, and cant really bat with the tail, Tendulkar needs long rest and way back through domestic cricket , he is failing regularly and then chooses games to play based on reputation. Indian selectors have got the selection completely wrong, they need an all rounder in the top 6 , if Yuvi is not in then it should have been Irfan. Currently top 6 cant bowl, and bottom 5 cant bat. Also Abhinav Mukund , the only non senior century holder should have been played instead of Suresh Raina, for their poor performance, Dhoni must think of having an order of Gauti, Sehwag, Abhinav, Dhoni, Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman as the order of batting.

  • POSTED BY Rahulbose on | August 11, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    Message to Eng team. Have some mercy guys! Question to cricinfo stasgurus: Has a top ranked test team ever been so completely outclassed. Message to BCCI: Cancel the Aus tour and organize one for Bangladesh.

  • POSTED BY Praxis on | August 11, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    I don't think the pitch had anything much to do with India's collapse, England's bowlers bowled beautifully. Later we've seen Indian bowlers wasting the new ball by pitching it wide and at 120 kph. Also, the last thing Indians need is Cook & Strauss getting back in form. Looks like it'll be 3-0 by the end of this match.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 11, 2011, 3:05 GMT

    I was mighty impressed with England bowlers in the first two tests. I think the first day of 3rd test was more of a poor cricket by India than good bowling by England. Apart from the jaffa that Dravid got, the rest of the collapse was plain poor batting, gifting wickets on a platter. See how the same bowlers were left clueless, looked pedestrian and club like when a gully level batsman like Dhoni played some shots. They got stuck into Swann, literally, and rubbed it in. I say it again. This was poor batting by India than anything else. Let's wait for the second innings. India can easily draw this match and may be win as well. Who knows? Once they stick it into Swann, he will be taken off the attack and I have no doubt that the remaining 3 pacers will be dead tired and start dishing out half-volleys. Just one partnership at the top would have done that trick for us. Poor batting changed the whole scenario. Second innings is going to be a completely different ball game.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 3:03 GMT

    The truth is, India batsmen are facing the semblance of a world class bowling attack for the first time in four years. We must remember that between the middle of 2004 up to the end of 2007 certain batsmen were allowed to fail innings after innings and still kept in the team with a batting average of 31, just to try to secure a so called record! That was the time young players like ROHIT SHARMER was playing really well and should have replaced ANY player with such dismal performances. But the BCCI put individual batting record before national objectives - this is the result! Remember also, the last world class attack any country had in the last 8 years ended after Mc Grath and Warne retired in early 2008. At the same time too, fast bowlers around the world decided to quit test cricket to play IPL. The India batsmen could not have been happier as no world class attack which included good fast bowlers was anywere. So they had a feast period for the last four years until now! REALITY!

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2011, 2:27 GMT

    @_Neutral_Fan_, I can assure you I've said much the same about Sehwag vs the moving ball. Most of the Indian side are unconscionably woeful against the seaming, swinging ball. Just look at their averages in New Zealand, and that is not a quality test side in anyone's view. England were mentally ready for this series, in fact I think they knew in their hearts that this series was only going to be theirs for the taking, and they prepared very well for it. India on the other hand, goodness me what a poor series they are having. To all the diehard Indian fans, quit blaming the losses on "selection" and other excuses, and own up - England are untouchable right now. They drew with south Africa in South Africa, thrashed the Aussies in Australia, which even South Africa couldn't manage (they won the test series, but one wouldn't call it a thrashing), and have ALL of the bases covered. If they keep this dominance up for the next 5 years, they will deserve to be compared to Aus and WI.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | August 11, 2011, 0:06 GMT

    Hmmm Sehwag's dismissal an "accident"? Was I the only one saying that there is no guarantee he will consistently tee off in these conditions vs the disciplined English attack?

  • POSTED BY Silloh on | August 11, 2011, 0:02 GMT

    Is this really India's A+ team ? This team looks so unprepared that it just ain't funny. Is it because of the change in coach or lack of match experience ? May be but I more believe the Indians are being outclassed by a united English PROFESSIONAL TEAM and I just can't see the jaded Indians bouncing back in this series. Clean sweep and handover of the number one position as I predicted at the start of the series.

  • POSTED BY xjunda on | August 10, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    Agree with Gerard Pereira, India is almost cheating the paying public by pathetic display & quality of cric has been unacceptable.

    Also selectors need to wake up, Although I'm a big fan of Dhoni but he & Raina playing test cricket outside subcontinent is a joke!

  • POSTED BY ibbotsoni on | August 10, 2011, 23:51 GMT

    Iyer you may be trolling but that is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen on here.

    ...England Top order batting is a concern? Indian team can be beaten by Zimbabwe in England? to allow this indian team to have moments of control during first and second test, proves that England is not playing at the level of world number 1???

    You are having a laugh right?

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 23:15 GMT

    who cares how many centuries indian batsmen have got............i never enjoyed the way they have played cricket since i been watching this game...., i am indian, but i never enjoyed the india plays cricket...never

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 23:12 GMT

    to honest i knew India will go down 4-0, England is just way better in every deparment of the game........people in india have got a short memory...they will forget this series loss if India win so called bloody 20-20 game. most people in india have no sense of cricket, they just love the ball sailing to the stands.....no wonder there is no bowler in team india, all they do in run, siwng the arm and throw the ball,

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | August 10, 2011, 22:48 GMT

    As predicted India look like losing again, as they will with the last test (weather permitting). Maybe now the fans and administration will get their heads out of the sand! De nial is not just a river in Egypt!

  • POSTED BY Chapelau on | August 10, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    nice to have the best of the conditions for a change !

  • POSTED BY Iyer on | August 10, 2011, 22:28 GMT

    let me put one thing bluntly which many or all of you have failed to recognize. This indian team can be beaten by even bangladesh or zimbabwe in England at present. The selection of playing X1 has consistently gone wrong through out the series either due to injury or poor decision-making. England is not playing any extra-ordinary cricket. Infact to allow this indian team to have moments of control during first and second test, proves that England is not playing at the level of world number 1 that was demonstrated by Australia and West Indies when they were at the helm. If England supporters feel that they are at the pinnacle of world test cricket, i can only say they are living under some sort of illusion. I am not trying to take away the joy of victory from England, but I just want to remind them of the reality. Let us not forget their first two victories were driven by performance by tail enders and not due to their top order batting. Their top order batting is a concern.

  • POSTED BY SDHM on | August 10, 2011, 22:27 GMT

    Not sure you can call them relentless after the oddities of the Dhoni/Kumar partnership - it was the one time they looked rattled, mainly I think out of a bit of surprise that there was some resistance in front of them. They could have reacted better, but the opening partnership at the end of the day put the bowling performance overall into perspective - it was a good'un. Another heavy roller in the morning and the batsmen need to do their business. We can do it, hopefully we will do it, but the Englishman inside of me is still thinking it will all go wrong...

  • POSTED BY Iyer on | August 10, 2011, 22:23 GMT

    Please dont think dhoni is back to form or anything. He is still technically weak, and can never prosper in overseas conditions in test matches. Period! Today he played like a tailender, slogging the ball. He was just lucky to add few runs, by no means this innings could justify his place in this test team. He is a good ODI player for now. Similarly dont write-off sachin or laxman or dravid based on this failure. They have sound technique, and are currently just out of form. There is a difference between their failure and dhonis, rainas, and harbhajans. The latter lacks technique. Harbhajan cannot spin the ball, unless the pitch helps the turn. it is his inherent weakness. he can never overcome that. Similarly dhoni and raina are made for ODI's, hit out or get out sorta batsman. Cannot play test matches in testing conditions. Please realize this. Dont play them as if there is none to replace them. Give chance to others and see what we can get out of others.

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | August 10, 2011, 22:20 GMT

    It's a flat track pretty much. ENG Bowlers are just fitter, harder working and more skilled than IND bowlers OR batsmen. Not many comments on here today - weird, because it's usually full of IND fans telling us that Sehwag will save them or IND always bounce back after losing the first test.....love this game !

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 10, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    Andrew Miller, you are on fire here. Yes India played very poorly yet again. England deserve the series and the no.1 ranking. No team can stay on top without top class bowling. India played well to remain no.1 for 2 years but then again a lot of that has to be accredited to Zaheer Khan, and the batsmen. Unfortunately, India's batsmen are all out of form except glimpses of brilliance from Dravid. The BCCI must learn a dear lesson from this. The excuses given by Ravi Shastri, Sunil Gavaskar, Sourav Ganguly are all rubbish. The Indian team will NEVER have a say over the BCCI so there is no point in arguing about extra tour games and stuff. India has to be PREPARED mentally, physically by hitting the gym, staying fit, keeping themselves away from ADS, PROMOS, Film events etc. They need to sell themselves for India because country is FIRST. Unless they are prepared to do that, then Indian fans need to brace themselves for a DARK period in Indian cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:41 GMT

    ALL is not lost go Sachin go for you 100 century thats more important to the indians then losing the series 4 nil .... lolz Honestly even Bangladesh played way better than this Tamim really went after the English bowlers and the only batsman to dominate them this summer

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:32 GMT

    It is time to recall and disband the team as they are cheating the paying public. With prices of tickets around £80 the way the team are playing is unacceptable. It looks like most of the team just want to go home. It is time to wave goodbye to Laxman , Tendulkar, Raina, Harbajan, and Munaf. Tendulkar seems to be hanging around for his hundred hundred and has lost all motivation after the WC win. Gambhir Shewag Dhoni are all playing below par. Dravid is a one man cricket team .

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    Fantastic performance from England. Fletcher can cry and say the conditions helped England here, but lets be honest, if India are the number 1 side, then they need to be able to tough it out in swingy conditions. England have the best swing-bowler in the world with James Anderson, but it wasn't even him who took the most wickets in this innings - it was Englands non-swing bowlers. Goes to show that England don't need to swing the ball to make Indian players look average. England deserve the number 1 spot. COME ON ENGLAND!

  • POSTED BY Fifthman on | August 10, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    Excellent performance from England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    Disgusting Performance from India.

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  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:07 GMT

    Disgusting Performance from India.

  • POSTED BY Fifthman on | August 10, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    Excellent performance from England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    Fantastic performance from England. Fletcher can cry and say the conditions helped England here, but lets be honest, if India are the number 1 side, then they need to be able to tough it out in swingy conditions. England have the best swing-bowler in the world with James Anderson, but it wasn't even him who took the most wickets in this innings - it was Englands non-swing bowlers. Goes to show that England don't need to swing the ball to make Indian players look average. England deserve the number 1 spot. COME ON ENGLAND!

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:32 GMT

    It is time to recall and disband the team as they are cheating the paying public. With prices of tickets around £80 the way the team are playing is unacceptable. It looks like most of the team just want to go home. It is time to wave goodbye to Laxman , Tendulkar, Raina, Harbajan, and Munaf. Tendulkar seems to be hanging around for his hundred hundred and has lost all motivation after the WC win. Gambhir Shewag Dhoni are all playing below par. Dravid is a one man cricket team .

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2011, 21:41 GMT

    ALL is not lost go Sachin go for you 100 century thats more important to the indians then losing the series 4 nil .... lolz Honestly even Bangladesh played way better than this Tamim really went after the English bowlers and the only batsman to dominate them this summer

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 10, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    Andrew Miller, you are on fire here. Yes India played very poorly yet again. England deserve the series and the no.1 ranking. No team can stay on top without top class bowling. India played well to remain no.1 for 2 years but then again a lot of that has to be accredited to Zaheer Khan, and the batsmen. Unfortunately, India's batsmen are all out of form except glimpses of brilliance from Dravid. The BCCI must learn a dear lesson from this. The excuses given by Ravi Shastri, Sunil Gavaskar, Sourav Ganguly are all rubbish. The Indian team will NEVER have a say over the BCCI so there is no point in arguing about extra tour games and stuff. India has to be PREPARED mentally, physically by hitting the gym, staying fit, keeping themselves away from ADS, PROMOS, Film events etc. They need to sell themselves for India because country is FIRST. Unless they are prepared to do that, then Indian fans need to brace themselves for a DARK period in Indian cricket.

  • POSTED BY Patchmaster on | August 10, 2011, 22:20 GMT

    It's a flat track pretty much. ENG Bowlers are just fitter, harder working and more skilled than IND bowlers OR batsmen. Not many comments on here today - weird, because it's usually full of IND fans telling us that Sehwag will save them or IND always bounce back after losing the first test.....love this game !

  • POSTED BY Iyer on | August 10, 2011, 22:23 GMT

    Please dont think dhoni is back to form or anything. He is still technically weak, and can never prosper in overseas conditions in test matches. Period! Today he played like a tailender, slogging the ball. He was just lucky to add few runs, by no means this innings could justify his place in this test team. He is a good ODI player for now. Similarly dont write-off sachin or laxman or dravid based on this failure. They have sound technique, and are currently just out of form. There is a difference between their failure and dhonis, rainas, and harbhajans. The latter lacks technique. Harbhajan cannot spin the ball, unless the pitch helps the turn. it is his inherent weakness. he can never overcome that. Similarly dhoni and raina are made for ODI's, hit out or get out sorta batsman. Cannot play test matches in testing conditions. Please realize this. Dont play them as if there is none to replace them. Give chance to others and see what we can get out of others.

  • POSTED BY SDHM on | August 10, 2011, 22:27 GMT

    Not sure you can call them relentless after the oddities of the Dhoni/Kumar partnership - it was the one time they looked rattled, mainly I think out of a bit of surprise that there was some resistance in front of them. They could have reacted better, but the opening partnership at the end of the day put the bowling performance overall into perspective - it was a good'un. Another heavy roller in the morning and the batsmen need to do their business. We can do it, hopefully we will do it, but the Englishman inside of me is still thinking it will all go wrong...

  • POSTED BY Iyer on | August 10, 2011, 22:28 GMT

    let me put one thing bluntly which many or all of you have failed to recognize. This indian team can be beaten by even bangladesh or zimbabwe in England at present. The selection of playing X1 has consistently gone wrong through out the series either due to injury or poor decision-making. England is not playing any extra-ordinary cricket. Infact to allow this indian team to have moments of control during first and second test, proves that England is not playing at the level of world number 1 that was demonstrated by Australia and West Indies when they were at the helm. If England supporters feel that they are at the pinnacle of world test cricket, i can only say they are living under some sort of illusion. I am not trying to take away the joy of victory from England, but I just want to remind them of the reality. Let us not forget their first two victories were driven by performance by tail enders and not due to their top order batting. Their top order batting is a concern.