England v India, 4th npower Test, The Oval, 2nd day August 19, 2011

Confident England have never had it so good

In the past eight months, the humiliation England have heaped on their two highest-profile opponents has been devastating
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Under cloudless skies and with their expectation levels at rock-bottom, India somehow opened the second day at The Oval with their best hour of cricket in approximately 21 sessions - dating back to Stuart Broad's seminal spell on the second day at Nottingham. By the end of it, however, they'd been condemned to another unquantifiable nadir, as England's punishing discipline and gargantuan appetite for runs made a mockery of that Test ranking that has long since been relinquished.

If India cannot pull out of their tailspin and claw something back from this game, they will have slipped to No. 3 in the world, with the prospect of facing the newly chastened Australians in the winter - who, if today's far-reaching Argus Report is anything to go by, have at least licked their Ashes wounds and set about the healing process with clean bandages. Whether England can sustain their current intensity will be a question for future Tests on different continents - and on this showing why shouldn't they? - but in the past eight months, the humiliation they have heaped on their two highest-profile opponents has been devastating.

It can now be said, without equivocation, that English cricket has never had it so good, for the stats they've amassed are simply incapable of lying. Last week at Edgbaston, Alastair Cook made a career-best 294 as England passed 700 for the first time in 73 years; today at The Oval, Kevin Pietersen and Ian Bell battered their way to an English third-wicket record stand of 350, the 14th triple-century stand in England's 915 Tests, and yet their third in the space of 13.

And what of tomorrow, when Bell will resume on 181 not out, with a chance of posting England's seventh double-century in the past 15 months, and beyond that, potentially something even more extraordinary? With seven wickets in hand and, tellingly, a nightwatchman at the crease, it's safe to assume that a declaration flurry is a long way off yet. "Bat once, bat deep" has been the motto all summer long, and there's precisely no reason to tinker with that formula with nine sessions remaining.

Pietersen was a self-satisfied man at the close, and with every imaginable reason. The angst that surrounded his long and laborious return to form has been forgotten, now that he's amassed three of his four highest scores in the space of 15 knocks. "I don't think we're surprising ourselves," he said, "because if you look how hard this team has worked in the last two years, the wheel has to turn and we're very lucky to all be dovetailing. If someone misses out, someone else gets the runs and that's what good teams do."

The one troubling performance of England's day was a plod of an innings from their only misfiring batsman, Andrew Strauss, who nudged two runs in an hour before swiping a drive to the keeper. However, as any Indian who is currently longing for the days of Sanjay Bangar will testify, there are several ways to build towards a Test victory. By the time Strauss departed with the morning drinks break looming, that new ball was 38 overs old, and ripe for a hammering from two batsmen who love nothing better than raising the tempo of an innings.

"One of the principles our team lives by is using up as much of the new ball as possible," said Pietersen. "We aim to get opposition bowlers into their third, fourth and fifth spells, because then we know we will end up with some opportunities for big scores." He didn't actively name-check Strauss in his explanation, but the inference was clear enough. This is a team with a plan, and right now it's all coming together.

Stopping England scoring runs at the moment is like catching custard in a sieve. It can happen occasionally, but eventually it all floods through, and today it was the turn of the two most aesthetically pleasing players in the team to scoop their fingers into the bowl. Whereas Cook's incredible 294 at Edgbaston prompted Shane Warne to tweet he'd never seen anything so dull, no such accusations could be flung in Bell and Pietersen's direction, as they thrilled a sun-soaked crowd with the purity of their performance.

With their contrasting heights and complementary approaches, Bell and Pietersen simply love batting together. That much was apparent way back in Faisalabad in 2005, when both men combined to score their second Test hundreds, but in the past five alliances - 116, 71, 110, 162 and now 350 - their returns have gone through the roof. At Adelaide during the Ashes, Bell's quick feet provided the perfect foil for a newly carefree KP, as Australia were butchered past the 600 mark; at Southampton in June, they provided a rain-dampened fixture with one of the sprightly stands of the summer.

In the past it could be said that Bell tended to shadow his more demonstrative partner, not least during their 286-run stand at Lord's in 2008, when Bell slipped along to his highest Test score of 199 while South Africa were pre-occupied with the performance of their former countryman. Since the injury to Jonathan Trott, however, Bell has had no place to hide at No. 3, and crucially, nor has he sought to for an instant. He outgrew No. 6 with incredible speed during the Ashes, and now, with two 150-plus scores in his last three innings at first drop, he's letting it be known that No. 5 is beneath him as well.

"Belly's been magnificent over the last 12-18 months," said Pietersen. "He's grown as a person, he's matured so much, and I love the fact he's scoring his runs so fluently. He's so pleasing on the eye when he's batting, and it's just nice that he's gone to his 16th Test hundred. The hard work he's put in since [being dropped on] the Windies tour is paying dividends.

"We have contrasting styles," he added. "I'm taller, he's shorter, and I batted pretty successfully with Paul Collingwood in the same way. Balls that he drove were really full balls for me, balls that I drove were nice punchy balls for Colly. It's a pretty similar story, and long may it continue."

England's current onslaught is relentless. In their last 20 Tests, dating back to the tour of Bangladesh in March 2010, they have amassed 33 hundreds - 21 of which have either been undefeated or in excess of 147 - and on only two occasions, at Edgbaston against Pakistan and during Mitchell Johnson's Test at Perth, have they failed to reach three figures. India, by contrast, have yet to amass a team total in excess of 288 in six attempts on this tour.

"There's lots of swing, lots of seam, and it's going to spin miles tomorrow," said Pietersen. "In the first couple of sessions it's going to be flat, and then when we bowl it's going to be all over the shop." He said it with a smile, but the scary thing is he almost certainly believed it. The confidence of this outfit knows no bounds right now.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY keshav021 on | August 21, 2011, 7:35 GMT

    For all those England Fans.. FYI... England is playing at home and ofcourse have home advantage... Now had it been England playing in India.. it would have been different story. Now I'm not supporting India performance..they should have performed like number# 1 team... as they are on a verge of a whitewash they don't deserve to be a Top Team... and rightly so its gone. Now if england claims to be number#1 than they have win series abroad (subcontinent) not in england. Any top team should win across countries and than claim that top like Australia ruled for years...

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 20, 2011, 22:54 GMT

    @ABD1; thank you. @CptMeanster - arrogance is when someone bigs up their own team at the expense of the other. The wombats (almost) never do that. Instead they look for crowing, inconsistencies and lack of evidence. They have had to endure plenty of crowing and silliness from one or two indian fans for months. That crowing, for example; "I strongly believe England don't have the team to beat Asian teams away from home. They will definitely struggle in India in the heat and spinning conditions" is irritating and requires rebuttal. Also comments like; "The bowling relies too much on swing and cold-cloudy conditions" - this is also utter rubbish unsubstantiated by the facts. By the way - how was being a neutral fan for you?

  • POSTED BY RohanMarkJay on | August 20, 2011, 22:42 GMT

    @ Valavan Well Said, I like the way Sri Lankans play their cricket. But the very good bowling attack on home soil they had in the last 20 years is no more. Whats coming through apart from Ajantha Mendis and he is nowhere near as good as a vaas or a Murali or Malinga. What they have now isn't very inspiring, SL fans like Indian fans can come on here and talk big about their chances. Then they attack me with their silly comments, I am a big fan of Sri Lankan cricket, so they need to talk proper cricket sense for a change. It seems these comment boards are for them to just attack other commenter. Sri Lanka has still a very good one day side but do they have equally good test side that is the question. Can their bowlers take 20 English wickets. I doubt it. More likely England can take 20 Sri Lankan wickets. Now that is the facts. Now don't come back at me and say thrashed Eng convincingly in the WC QF 2011 in Colombo, it has no relevance to test cricket whatsoever. Please talk sense.

  • POSTED BY aracer on | August 20, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    @Chokkashokka - maybe you should wait to see India bat before deciding how much of a feather bed it is. As for the conditions becoming much more difficult when India are batting - there may just be a simpler explanation for that than your conspiracy theories! Oh, and I doubt very much that BCCI would be keen to test the bench strength of the squads - not given that England have lost a couple of their best players and nobody seems to have noticed ;)

  • POSTED BY bigben_bigben on | August 20, 2011, 13:43 GMT

    Good lord, some of the comments here by delusional English fans, you would think that this England team is the West Indies team of the 80's. Admitted that India has stunk up the joint, but its more to do with the lousy show by the Indians than any performance like the Windies.

    You think every other team in the world is shaking in their boots at the prospect of playing England?? Ask SA, Aussie, SL or Pak fans. India will be ready for you when you tour next year for tests. If you can hold on to the No. 1 spot for 2-3 years (forget a decade like the Windies or Aussies), I will be the first to eat my words and acknowledge England deserve to be counted among the great all time teams.

    I can understand the euphoria of Eng fans, but lets get some sense of proportion here.

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | August 20, 2011, 13:37 GMT

    give it a rest why do u allow posters with the same old comments but not the guys who thinks it mundane. strauss was 6 and prior 11, when they movd to the UK and both with a english parent so please tell me how they cannot play for england. stop all this sour grapes garbage. dpk

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | August 20, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    to all the fans on here saying England aren't number 1 because they have not won in India.Well you aint won in England this time and have not won in Australia.So stroll on.You can harp on about WC but what will happen during the next wc.

  • POSTED BY mrhamilton on | August 20, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    The indians got to number 1 on merit...the same bowlers did it for them overseas in south africa and west indies. Ishant sharma and praveen kumar looked world class in windies and sreesanth was a aggressive explosive albeit at 79mph in south africa. I think Sanjay mangrerkar is whinging too much about "this indian attack being ordinary with zack and bargy" ...well hello harbajan played in 2 tests and was dire, and dont give me that he was off form he was fine in the windies. The fact is ishant, munaf and sreesanth are decent medium-fast bowlers and have served their country....against THIS england batting side in this form they were always going to be hammered even with ZACK....sadly now the indians are making excuses......worringly who is on the horizon....up in lucknow Ghookar Khutia may be the fastest indian bowler since srinath but no one has heard of him and where is the next great spinner? J S Milkanathan maybe?

  • POSTED BY andrew-schulz on | August 20, 2011, 12:17 GMT

    Yorkshire86, India did n ot win that series in Australia, and never have won a series in Australia. And what are you talking about when you tell us Australia are hosting England? It doesn't happen for over 3 years now! 5 wombats you can yawn all you want. Most of the statements you are yawning at are totally correct.

  • POSTED BY GULNATHANI on | August 20, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    INDIA EXPOSED: Reason for failures: 1. The team is aging 2. Lack of bowling talent 3. India has never been a good team outside India and the sub-continent 4. Delusion of grandeur (megalomania) 5. internal rift in the team 6. Not knowing how to adjust to fast pitch 7. IPL mentality 8. Dhonism is failing PREDCITION: Spot # 4 by the end of the year. Gulzar Nathani

  • POSTED BY keshav021 on | August 21, 2011, 7:35 GMT

    For all those England Fans.. FYI... England is playing at home and ofcourse have home advantage... Now had it been England playing in India.. it would have been different story. Now I'm not supporting India performance..they should have performed like number# 1 team... as they are on a verge of a whitewash they don't deserve to be a Top Team... and rightly so its gone. Now if england claims to be number#1 than they have win series abroad (subcontinent) not in england. Any top team should win across countries and than claim that top like Australia ruled for years...

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 20, 2011, 22:54 GMT

    @ABD1; thank you. @CptMeanster - arrogance is when someone bigs up their own team at the expense of the other. The wombats (almost) never do that. Instead they look for crowing, inconsistencies and lack of evidence. They have had to endure plenty of crowing and silliness from one or two indian fans for months. That crowing, for example; "I strongly believe England don't have the team to beat Asian teams away from home. They will definitely struggle in India in the heat and spinning conditions" is irritating and requires rebuttal. Also comments like; "The bowling relies too much on swing and cold-cloudy conditions" - this is also utter rubbish unsubstantiated by the facts. By the way - how was being a neutral fan for you?

  • POSTED BY RohanMarkJay on | August 20, 2011, 22:42 GMT

    @ Valavan Well Said, I like the way Sri Lankans play their cricket. But the very good bowling attack on home soil they had in the last 20 years is no more. Whats coming through apart from Ajantha Mendis and he is nowhere near as good as a vaas or a Murali or Malinga. What they have now isn't very inspiring, SL fans like Indian fans can come on here and talk big about their chances. Then they attack me with their silly comments, I am a big fan of Sri Lankan cricket, so they need to talk proper cricket sense for a change. It seems these comment boards are for them to just attack other commenter. Sri Lanka has still a very good one day side but do they have equally good test side that is the question. Can their bowlers take 20 English wickets. I doubt it. More likely England can take 20 Sri Lankan wickets. Now that is the facts. Now don't come back at me and say thrashed Eng convincingly in the WC QF 2011 in Colombo, it has no relevance to test cricket whatsoever. Please talk sense.

  • POSTED BY aracer on | August 20, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    @Chokkashokka - maybe you should wait to see India bat before deciding how much of a feather bed it is. As for the conditions becoming much more difficult when India are batting - there may just be a simpler explanation for that than your conspiracy theories! Oh, and I doubt very much that BCCI would be keen to test the bench strength of the squads - not given that England have lost a couple of their best players and nobody seems to have noticed ;)

  • POSTED BY bigben_bigben on | August 20, 2011, 13:43 GMT

    Good lord, some of the comments here by delusional English fans, you would think that this England team is the West Indies team of the 80's. Admitted that India has stunk up the joint, but its more to do with the lousy show by the Indians than any performance like the Windies.

    You think every other team in the world is shaking in their boots at the prospect of playing England?? Ask SA, Aussie, SL or Pak fans. India will be ready for you when you tour next year for tests. If you can hold on to the No. 1 spot for 2-3 years (forget a decade like the Windies or Aussies), I will be the first to eat my words and acknowledge England deserve to be counted among the great all time teams.

    I can understand the euphoria of Eng fans, but lets get some sense of proportion here.

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | August 20, 2011, 13:37 GMT

    give it a rest why do u allow posters with the same old comments but not the guys who thinks it mundane. strauss was 6 and prior 11, when they movd to the UK and both with a english parent so please tell me how they cannot play for england. stop all this sour grapes garbage. dpk

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | August 20, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    to all the fans on here saying England aren't number 1 because they have not won in India.Well you aint won in England this time and have not won in Australia.So stroll on.You can harp on about WC but what will happen during the next wc.

  • POSTED BY mrhamilton on | August 20, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    The indians got to number 1 on merit...the same bowlers did it for them overseas in south africa and west indies. Ishant sharma and praveen kumar looked world class in windies and sreesanth was a aggressive explosive albeit at 79mph in south africa. I think Sanjay mangrerkar is whinging too much about "this indian attack being ordinary with zack and bargy" ...well hello harbajan played in 2 tests and was dire, and dont give me that he was off form he was fine in the windies. The fact is ishant, munaf and sreesanth are decent medium-fast bowlers and have served their country....against THIS england batting side in this form they were always going to be hammered even with ZACK....sadly now the indians are making excuses......worringly who is on the horizon....up in lucknow Ghookar Khutia may be the fastest indian bowler since srinath but no one has heard of him and where is the next great spinner? J S Milkanathan maybe?

  • POSTED BY andrew-schulz on | August 20, 2011, 12:17 GMT

    Yorkshire86, India did n ot win that series in Australia, and never have won a series in Australia. And what are you talking about when you tell us Australia are hosting England? It doesn't happen for over 3 years now! 5 wombats you can yawn all you want. Most of the statements you are yawning at are totally correct.

  • POSTED BY GULNATHANI on | August 20, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    INDIA EXPOSED: Reason for failures: 1. The team is aging 2. Lack of bowling talent 3. India has never been a good team outside India and the sub-continent 4. Delusion of grandeur (megalomania) 5. internal rift in the team 6. Not knowing how to adjust to fast pitch 7. IPL mentality 8. Dhonism is failing PREDCITION: Spot # 4 by the end of the year. Gulzar Nathani

  • POSTED BY cool2cool on | August 20, 2011, 11:37 GMT

    Whay can't BCCI offer better contracts to non-englishmen like Strauss, Trott, KP, Morgan, Prior etc. and allow them to play for India? :)

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | August 20, 2011, 11:35 GMT

    im not sure when england come to select the team and batting order for the 1st test this winter. who will bat bell or trott for the # 3 position. most cricketing pundits say u play your best batter at # 3. trott a more old school test player or bell a free spirit these days, its a selection most countries would not mind having. for me it has to be trott, in the days of 20/20 its refreshing to see a batter with the mindset to bat for 2 days. bell is in the form of his life and the most natural batter in the team, see him over the last 2 years from the player of the mid 2000. he looks a thoroughbred in every sense of the word. dpk

  • POSTED BY ADB1 on | August 20, 2011, 11:22 GMT

    @bobmartin: "About the only excuse I haven't heard from them yet is that England bat on batting friendly tracks which immediately become bowler friendly when India bat." ..... You have now. Check out @Chokkashokka's comment. The toys are well and truly out of the pram. @MaruthuDelft: you do realise that saying England will be embarrassed in India is just the next stage of the premature trash-talking we saw from Indian fans at the start of the series?

  • POSTED BY yorkshire-86 on | August 20, 2011, 11:13 GMT

    How India got to number one. Idiotic Australian selectors picking 4 seamers and no spinner for *that* Perth test giving India an easy win against an attack with no variety. The weather in the last England/India series raining off games England were winning but not those India were winning. That gave them 2 very important away series wins, and coupled with thier supremacy in subcontinental conditions and Australia's fall from grace jumped them to the summit. India beating England in India is expected and will barely affect the rankings. England beating India away will give England a MASSIVE lead in the rankings. Australia home to England is the big series - if the Aussies win it will open the door for South Africa to claim the number 1 spot - depending on the result of the upcoming SA-Eng series.

  • POSTED BY sixnout on | August 20, 2011, 11:07 GMT

    Oh Damn!!! I waited for this series for a year hoping for a match up and end up watching not the current no1 vs the future no 1, but a marauding side that has trampled over their opponents

  • POSTED BY Valavan on | August 20, 2011, 10:37 GMT

    Oh ye whats happening here. England are in the mood of their life. Indian and SL fans resolve your disputes. But i can just giggle when some SL fans say about winning england when they visit SL. You can have home advantage, the English team that lost to india in 2007, also lost to SL in SL with 1 - 0. With murali, vaas, sanath and malinga gone, it wont be that easy for SL bowlers to inflict a win on England. Does SL have the combo to take 20 wickets? i doubt it. Dhoni wanted to win so he lost it or england humiliated them, but SL was trying to draw the rest of tests after cardiff screw job. Good Luck SL in your backyard, dont forgot England have won 2 -1 in 2001, with all the best players by your side, this time none of them other than rangana herath.

  • POSTED BY A_Yorkshire_Lad on | August 20, 2011, 10:21 GMT

    Thanks randyoz for yet another sour childish jealous catty remark. when will you stop.

  • POSTED BY MaruthuDelft on | August 20, 2011, 10:13 GMT

    Indians drummed on their number one status undeservedly; now England does it. I am fairly certain England will get thrashed when they come to India. Anderson goes demoralised very quickly; he is not the kind of bowler Dale Steyn is; from the resilience perspective. Although it is not fully appropriate to draw information from ODIs for forecasting test match performance it still has some relevance to say Tremlett and Bresnan from their performance in the WC wouldn't be lethal in Indian conditions. Chris Broad never performed well abroad. Yes England is the number one team, a strong team in most conditions and a better number one than India was but stll they will be embarrassed when they next tour India.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 10:12 GMT

    I think Mr. Pataudi has summed up the whole scenario pretty well, we Indians just don't love Test Cricket, we never approach test Cricket as we would a ODI or a T20, also quite frankly Dhoni is not a good test team captain, he gets defensive very easily, and i don't really see any good test team captain from the lot, we may still dominate with our batters again but we will never be a no. 1 test team for long with our approach

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    SA will be a test for England

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 9:53 GMT

    Funny day; yesterday. Indians escaped from getting COOKed. Like drowning men, held on to whatever STRAUSS ( straws) till lunch. After lunch, Ian BELLed them. Then the SONs came. One SON ( Pieters') blasted them like a machine gun and handed overthe victims to the other SON ( Anders') to shut the gate for the night. Now what? MOREGUNs firing. BOPARE"! Bop!! , as the Bengali moshais would say. You need a BROAD chest to take the hits. Alas, BRESt NONe ! There were enough PRIOR indications that this is going to be the SWANN song for many of our cricket heroes, at least in England. Felt crying looking at their faces, drooping, and dropping. Miserable. Hope something happens today to lift us all up.

  • POSTED BY Cricket_Junky on | August 20, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    I start getting bore now, There is no contest at all. Please finish the serious and go back to India bcz that is the only place where you can WIN. Rubbish bowling attack.

  • POSTED BY CharlieAlanJakeHarperFamily on | August 20, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    @alexk400 buddy why don't u refrain from making such communal/communist statements/thoughts on a cricketing website ur knowledge and points regrading test series will be well appreciated by everyone why drag hindu and muslim in fast bowling has it got any connection or have u totally lost it Eng will surely make an aura for 5-6 years till trott,bell,kp,swann,anderson all 30 yrs aged and can go on with the support of young bresnan,broad,cook,morgan already they have made a huge mark in world cricket

  • POSTED BY Herath-UK on | August 20, 2011, 9:11 GMT

    While it is good to see England is stamping its authority,this match as a contest is so boring and uninteresting.This is probably the weakest bowling attack and for competitive sake will the ECB please rearrange its programme for the Sri Lankan team to tour in the late summer next time around. Ranil Herath - Kent

  • POSTED BY BellCurve on | August 20, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    The following formula is an excellent indicator of team strength: (Sum of the batting average of all 11 players) / (Sum of the bowling average of the 4 leading bowlers * 10 / 4). Using this measure, England scores a whopping 1.44. To put this into context, the all-conquering Australian side of the 2000s scored around 1.53 when at full strength. India on the other hand scores a measly 0.96, which is poor (anything below 1.00 indicates a sub standard team). I suddenly find it hard to understand how India could have stayed at No.1 for so long.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 8:21 GMT

    All hail India! They are superb. Only they have the right to play test. All other countries should be stripped off the status.

  • POSTED BY PKochu on | August 20, 2011, 8:07 GMT

    @Rijvee Shishir, Zaheer's case is not an excuse, its a truth. For last few season he is like Head of Bowling dept. Its not that he will take 5 wickets every innings, but he takes charge as bowling captain and speaks to other bowlers regularly and make them perform by managing them better. Now that focus is gone. You cannot blame the batsmen even now because most of them had atleast one good innings even in this series and they were at their best for last 2-3 years. They are getting old, but the eldest of them is best Indian batsman in the tour so far. I agree with you that they should be replaced if they are not performing, but, that should be with some youngsters outplace them with quality and matching their talent

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | August 20, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    @keshav021, yes the fair weather fans will turn thier back if and when england start to lose, however the core of the fans (I'm one) that have been supporting the team since the 1990's and before wont turn thier backs. As far as ODI's are concerned most fans know England are pretty mediocre in that format, and we dont expect much from the team.

  • POSTED BY Scallopian on | August 20, 2011, 7:57 GMT

    My prediction:

    England: 750-6 declared.

    India First Innings: 250 All Out

    India Second Innings: 240 All Out.

    Result: England win the series 4-0. India go home embarrassed.

  • POSTED BY sachin_vvsfan on | August 20, 2011, 7:43 GMT

    I wonder even an English fan would enjoy this kid of destruction. Absolutely no context here. The first 2 days of second test (or the first session of first test when zaheer was available) was the only period in this series we saw an even context These SL fans still haunt us even after we lost the ranking.@ Sean Saranga Amarasinghe we shouldn't play ODIS ? may be you can include SL instead of Africa Remember the WC. @5wombats I can forgive you for your comments because i had the same feeling about ENGLAND when they lost to Ireland and Bangladesh in WC. Just enjoy your time (at home) and lets hope atleast one team will preserve the ranking for a long time.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 7:39 GMT

    Before the series started,indian fans said bell was an average batsman and the marauding indian bowling will be all over england.also,broad,tremlett and bresnan will be hammered all over.then came the excuse,england are at home.now,they arent good as the west indies and australian teams and they wont be at their best again.can you guys be gracious in a defeat?oh,i tell you once mr.harbhajan warne takes 15 wickets vs wi in their next series and the batsmen hammer centuries,all will be forgottenBefore the series started,indian fans said bell was an average batsman and the marauding indian bowling will be all over england.also,broad,tremlett and bresnan will be hammered all over.then came the excuse,england are at home.now,they arent good as the west indies and australian teams and they wont be at their best again.can you guys be gracious in a defeat?oh,i tell you once mr.harbhajan warne takes 15 wickets vs wi in their next series and the batsmen hammer centuries,all will be forgotten

  • POSTED BY keshav021 on | August 20, 2011, 7:10 GMT

    I totally agree that England are at the top of their game. But lets see how they perform against good bowling attacks like SA. On the other hand, india has been total disappointment in the whole series, they lake confidence and need someone infront to get that confidence back. Hopefully they will come back strongly in ODI's. People who are praising england for their achievements will soon turn their backs.. :):) that happens with every team like it is now with india.

  • POSTED BY PKochu on | August 20, 2011, 7:04 GMT

    Even before India landed in England, most of the people knew one thing - that is India was No.1, not because they are best, but others were having a bad time. You cannot find a team with good group of bowlers in last 2-3 years to match up Indian batwmen. Anytime in last 10 years, Indian bowlers could not dominate for an entire season across continents. Last few years their pacers were doing decent job with their mighty list of Batsmen dominating below par bowlers they face.

    The credit goes to England bowlers, for tieing up Indian batsmen and the Indian pacers lost their leader and so its head. Now they are just Individuals trying to do something and ends up doing nothing serious as a team. And if Indian batsmen continues to fail as a team you cannot expect them to be in top 4, because that is the only strength India have.........

  • POSTED BY bobmartin on | August 20, 2011, 6:59 GMT

    "The confidence of this outfit knows no bounds right now.".. That the last sentence in the article could also have added "and now the boot is on the other foot"... since I recall all the comments written by Indian supporters on cricinfo before a single ball was bowled in this series. The little master, VVS, MSD, the wall, et al, were going to pummel this lacklustre England attack into the dust. They are not quite so cocky now. About the only excuse I haven't heard from them yet is that England bat on batting friendly tracks which immediately become bowler friendly when India bat. I suggest India take a leaf out of England's book after the thrashing Australia gave us and after Australia did ater losing three out of four Ashes series, go away, lick your wounds, swallow your pride and admit you're no as invincible as you thought you were, then do something about it.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    All the Indian fans finding excuses about India not being at full strength are simply pathetic. Do you HONESTLY believe Zaheer alone would take 4-5 wickets each game? Seriously, accept the simple facts. India's bests are getting too old to perform against the best test bowling attack in the world. Stop giving excuses and accept England for the team they have become. India has work to do, Zaheer coming back will change little.

  • POSTED BY shuvoroy31 on | August 20, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    Insofar as having an opponent who regularly make a mockery of test cricket, reducing a competition between two ICC full-nations into an utter travesty, is concerned, the title of the article is wonderfully apt. Future generations may be led to believe with little persuasion that the famous KFC slogan "finger lickin' good" was the result of a moment of inspiration supplied to some advertising professional by the breathtakingly inept quartet of RP Singh, Sreesanth, Mishra & Sharma. This England side are miles ahead of their perennially mediocre predecessors and may indeed be the best test team at the moment, but a team as hapless and inadequate as India should never be used to accurately qualify a side's true mettle. Yet, that is not England's fault or concern and they should only focus on replicating their good work without bothering about such factors that are out of their control. As to how good they really are only posterity can tell. India, meanwhile, can relegate to oblivion.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    I think England has got the batting right after so many years. First time all their batsmen are firing very well and have built a nice bowling line with great reserve strength. So all the current teams in the circuit will find it very difficult to match. Indian attack is pathetic- so another defeat- is it the 1st time India losing all matches in a series? If it is 1st time it is difficult to digest, next time all of us plus Mr.Tendulak will get use it.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    Well played England.Deserved to win the series.But don't celebrate yet.Prove you guys can stay there.Good Luck.

  • POSTED BY ramkar on | August 20, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    I really doubt whether if india plays 100 test matches from now in england, can they win a single test match ? This is a terrible terrible bowling attack .England and Australias first class bowlers are miles better than indian prime bowlers . I dont think englands pace attack is stronger than SA ,in difficult conditions India managed to win a match a draw the series against SA,if they play like this it would be very difficult for us to win against australia in australia . As for as england is concerned if they have remain as true no1 they have to win matches in india and srilanka in slow pitches and SA as well .

    With a poor bowling attack we can manage to win a 20-20 ,one day ,but test cricket we need to 20 take 20 wickets .,only ishant looked like an average bowler . I feel india will beat england in 20-20 and ODI .Think this match ll be over in 4.5 days unless it rains .Single series wont make sachin or laxman poor players they ll come back stronger .

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 6:32 GMT

    forget all of this 'England have to beat India in India to prove themselves', because India have proven to be as poor as England are excellent. The only people we need to beat now are the Saffers - and as things stand, my money is on the Empire XI!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    India are just not over their world cup victory hangover !! I think its going to take us some time to recover from that. But we will always love & support our players, they will get over this& turn it around soon. God Bless Them !!!

  • POSTED BY CRICSL on | August 20, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay_TestCricketRules- Any team will be stronger at home soil for sure with very familiar conations and crowd support. Right now END is in a great shape and accepts the fact they play at home. Having said that ENG will not play as badly as many people predict in subcontinent. But accept the fact that it will be very hard to beat SL or IND at home. And when you say ENG not used to hot and humid conditions it's the same way around as subcontinent teams not used to cold and windy cloudy conditions. Making weather conditions as an excuse is not a good practice then ICC need to arrange all matches to be played on natural venues. Supporting your team at all the time (losing or winning) is a best thing to do as a good supporter. Not to criticize the team when they lose. The ENG team lost so badly in WC semis against SL and so against IND and remembers it's the same team and your best bowlers Anderson and co was not able to make any impact so look forward to see ENG in subcontinent.

  • POSTED BY CRICSL on | August 20, 2011, 6:13 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay_TestCricketRules- Any team will be stronger at home soil for sure with very familiar conations and crowd support. Right now END is in a great shape and accepts the fact they play at home. Having said that ENG will not play as badly as many people predict in subcontinent. But accept the fact that it will be very hard to beat SL or IND at home. And when you say ENG not used to hot and humid conditions it's the same way around as subcontinent teams not used to cold and windy cloudy conditions. Making weather conditions as an excuse is not a good practice then ICC need to arrange all matches to be played on natural venues. Supporting your team at all the time (losing or winning) is a best thing to do as a good supporter. Not to criticize the team when they lose. The ENG team lost so badly in WC semis against SL and so against IND and remembers it's the same team and your best bowlers Anderson and co was not able to make any impact so look forward to see ENG in subcontinent.

  • POSTED BY bigben_bigben on | August 20, 2011, 6:08 GMT

    All I can say about the test series so far is that India is not anywhere near as bad as they seem and England are definitely not as mighty as they appear. Yes this series has been utterly lop-sided, but I definitely believe that the terrific overdose of cricket played by the Indian team has finally caught up to them and at the worst possible time.

    Heck I, an avid cricket follower on TV, got fatigued watching the cricket in the last 2 years. I didnt even watch the WI series (except highlights). I just cannot imagine how the Indian team has coped with the workload. Fighting fiercely for 2 years (against odds and their own limitations) the Indian team first gained No 1 in tests and retained it for 2 years (all closely contested matches against strong opposition and lotsa away series). They then put up a fabulous show to win the WC.

    I don't blame them for mentally putting their feet up. They should just laugh this series away and move on. They are far far better than this.

  • POSTED BY CRICSL on | August 20, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    @CandidIndian- Mate kindly look at the current status of your team the 4-0 whitewash is looming in the horizon. SL not been trashed so badly in recent times by any oppositions. SL played far better than IND in the early part of summer when it was more cold and cloudy. Accept that. Also your cricketing knowledge seems to be not that sharp. SL defeated NZ in NZ and IND being No 1 team came to ENG with such hype getting trashed like this is a shame. With so called worlds greatest batting lineup IND couldn't manage a single 300+ score in six completed innings. Stop making excuses mate and accept the fact.

  • POSTED BY CRICSL on | August 20, 2011, 5:54 GMT

    @CandidIndian- Mate kindly look at the current status of your team the 4-0 whitewash is looming in the horizon. SL not been trashed so badly in recent times by any oppositions. SL played far better than IND in the early part of summer when it was more cold and cloudy. Accept that. Also your cricketing knowledge seems to be not that sharp. SL defeated NZ in NZ and IND being No 1 team came to ENG with such hype getting trashed like this is a shame. With so called worlds greatest batting lineup IND couldn't manage a single 300+ score in six completed innings. Stop making excuses mate and accept the fact.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 5:39 GMT

    I just cant enjoy watching any of the indian bowlers bowling.. I wonder why munaaf patel has been rested and i wonder why all these bowlers can not bowl above 135-139. Bcci should ban their participation in advertisements for a while....

  • POSTED BY murali623 on | August 20, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    It seems Indian players having problem with the current team heads........... This was happened in the past also. Something going between players and the MSD!!!

  • POSTED BY Stevieweivy on | August 20, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    Again - we get the same old comments - England can't play overseas (???), SA are better (not according to the last series on their home soil and not according to the rankings), England struggling in the world cup - sorry, but I thought we were commenting on the test side - not the one-day side, or the T20 side, or the county side, or the A side or the under 21s. It's time you suck it up and stop making lame excuses "...just saying that England have beat an underside and ill-prepared India..." - yea, you know what - if that's their representative side then THEY LOSE - the actual performance on the field is the culmination of training, discipline, preparation and the sum of all of those things is your PERFORMANCE - the history books won't say - ah yes but remember so and so got food poisioning so it doesn't count.

    I think you guys are right though - India ARE slow starters...

  • POSTED BY sanjay37b on | August 20, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    It's a good show by England team.They excelled in all departments under home conditions.One should not forget the Indian attack is pathetic,nothing to be talked about the batting and fielding.The captain is praised if all the team members perform to their potentials.Indian team lacked the motivation and planning to play in England. The real test for England will be against South Africa,the team rearing to get the no 1 spot.Current South African team is well equiped in all departments of the game and they will test the England side.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    To Nikhil Jain and other hopelessly deluded fans that keep bringing up this argument that for England to be number one they need to beat India in India, the folly of this argument is easy to expose. For one, some teams have a bogey country that they struggle to beat for certain reasons. For New Zealand in ODIs it would be Pakistan, for South Africa it would be any team playing in the World Cup. England could lose to India in India and it would mean nothing, as it might make India the bogey team for England, even though on present form that would seem incredibly unlikely. For two, India were the number one side not long ago, and they've never beaten Australia in Australia, nor South Africa in South Africa. So by your own argument, India shouldn't have been classed as number 1 NOR number 2! Consider England on the other hand, they thrashed Australia in Australia, and I wouldn't put it past them to thrash India in India.

  • POSTED BY visualdp on | August 20, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    @RohanMarkJay_TestCricketRules: Yeah Just waiting for the Sri Lanka vs England series. Lets see about this so called no1 team perform there. I think you guys are jumping too much in the sky these days. If you don't have any idea about SL bowling attack its better to keep your mouth shut. Best of luck

  • POSTED BY AidanFX on | August 20, 2011, 5:24 GMT

    @ ADB1 - For England to be compared to the success of Australia - they need to start winning at 50 over cricket. Yes I agree they are different formats but both pocess genuine attributes of cricket (which T20 lacks - more of an enterntainment show). Australia were ruthless at Tests and One Day cricket. Eng's inconsistency at One Day cricket despite clearly being the number 1# (perhpas SA is very close though) undermines their performace a bit. I take nothing away from what they have achieved. Yet they need to start winning One Day cricket.

  • POSTED BY TamilIndian on | August 20, 2011, 5:19 GMT

    Two things Indian players do very well

    1. Wait for England to declare. 2. Hurry back when its their turn to bat.

    A simple two step process to enjoy English summer!

  • POSTED BY chokkashokka on | August 20, 2011, 4:49 GMT

    sure - once the series was in the bag, they serve up a feather bed. The wickets in the first three test seemed to behave oddly - not sure how the pitch covers work - but there appears to something not right there. Swing and seam when the Indian bats were out there and then nothing when the other side came to bat. Just saying. India should extend a warm invitation to the English team to visit the subcontinent and return the hospitality. Let there be 5 tests and not 4 and lets see the fitness, bench strength and the batting and bowling skills of the newly crowned kings. Cricket fans would love to see them impose their authority over the Indians. Rematches are sweeter than the ambush jammy victory. BCCI would flex their muscle make that happen. India's been robbed enough - lets get the crown back and while we are at it - some of other jewels that are sitting in the London tower which belong to India as well. Now publish this if you are really for free speech.

  • POSTED BY ADB1 on | August 20, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    @mani_naryan "The reality is also that this is the same England team that anihilated Australia and then in the WC lost to both Bangladesh and Ireland...." How many times does it have to be said, Tests and ODIs are two very different formats??? "It tells you that England will find it very difficult to win in the sub-continent..." Who knows? We will see how England performs in the sub-continent when they get there. All this article is saying is that - based on the current performance and the recent Ashes - England are in a good place and doing very well. That's it. There are no grandiose predictions. Just acknowledgement of a job well done. The lack of grace from certain Indian fans on these boards has been stunning and a real eye-opener.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 4:34 GMT

    love to see the indians who commented when SL were playing in ENG few weeks back with much worse conditionsol..lol..lol...lol....lol..

  • POSTED BY ADB1 on | August 20, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster. 5Wombats is not being arrogant at all. He is just pointing out that India's performance has been utterly pathetic, and that the Indian fans have been coming out with a lot of excuses for it. It is not arrogance to state the truth. Talking of the truth, England fans have been quite restrained in their comments in this series. Do you think if the situation was reversed and England was receiving this pants-down thrashing, there wouldn't be hundreds of Indian fans on here gloating away, putting England down and singing their team to the heavens? As it is, the boards have gone pretty quiet. And rightly so. Many, many Indian fans should be quietly eating humble pie right now, after their arrogant predictions and comments earlier in the series.

  • POSTED BY RohanMarkJay on | August 20, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    @ Asanka Amarasingha what if this England team comes to Sri Lanka and beat Sri Lanka? What then? One thing for sure, if the Sri Lankan don't train and prepare properly before England comes they are gonna get hammered by this England team like India thats for sure. I heard Indian fans say the same thing about India chances now where are they? Seems to be Sri Lanka fans are just as capable as making inane comments about England as their Indian counterparts. If I was a follower of Sri Lankan cricket I wouldn't be so cock a hoop about Sri Lankan's chances right now. Sri Lankan's bowling attack is as much a pop gun attack as India's. The only thing in Sri Lanka's favour is the conditions in Sri Lanka which are hot and humid. England cricketers are not used to that.

  • POSTED BY bobbo2 on | August 20, 2011, 3:46 GMT

    The comment about India just concentrating on one day and 20/20 is terrible. No one remembers one day or 20/20 games unless it is the world cup. It is basically meaningless, less skilled cricket. India needs to see the error of its ways and rise to the occasion. So many great players and I like the Indian players - they seem alot nicer than the champion Aussie team of the last 15 years. Come on India, get it together and show us what you're about. To forget Test cricket would be nothing but a failure to cricket, your country and a win to the businessmen.

    Real cricket lovers want good Test cricket above all else and it needs to be the priority.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 3:43 GMT

    I think the indian fans have to face reality. There is no way that india will beat this england team even in india at this current rate. England's bowling line up is far too good. They are scoring 500+ runs without zaheer so even when he is back it is logical to assume they will score 400+. Their bowling line up is far too good for the indians to get past that, even if sachin and dravid score hundreds, the rest fall line nine-pins.

  • POSTED BY chillarparty on | August 20, 2011, 3:41 GMT

    aaaahh! what a day in test match cricket. I have posted numerous messages, but it seems cricinfo moderator is against my awesome tirade! Maybe he does not like my bouncers. Anywho, getting back to the point..there is no excuse to the pathetic display. Ishant bowled his heart out, but it does not matter. Our topclass indian team is making this England team look fabolous. All england batters are getting some good net practise from our thunder speed bowlers. Its a filthy shame that we cannot produce fast bowlers. Someone on this post mentioned that india is tired after worldcup and IPL? SOOO...are you saying that these overpayed cricketers are too good for national duty? Come On!! dont give cowcrap excuses for professionalism. Its a DUTY to be at the best for ones country, homesick, tiredness, overplaying, fatigue are the least excuses. Man UP! I iterate, England is not so fantastic, we just happen to be pathetic that we make them luk superior. Nuff Said....Chillar Party

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 3:34 GMT

    England are playing a very sub par Indian team. Don't get carried away by these victories. Even Zimbabwe can beat this Indian team. They are tired because they are fasting for anti-corruption movement :)

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    Just a reminder for all english fans that u guys hvnt beaten india in india....u guys can be called the true no.1 only when u do tht....

  • POSTED BY vichan on | August 20, 2011, 3:15 GMT

    @mani_narayan: "this is the same England team that anihilated Australia and then in the WC lost to both Bangladesh and Ireland. It tells you that England will find it very difficult to win in the sub-continent" What you forgot to mention is that England lost the ODI series in Australia 6-1. Yes, 6-1...in ONE DAY INTERNATIONALS. You are comparing England's Test performances in one set of conditions with ODI performances in another set of conditions. For what aim? To say that England will struggle in Test cricket on the subcontinent. It doesn't really work, my friend, because England are pretty mediocre WHEREVER they play ODIs. But when it comes to Tests, I predict that you will be in for a nasty surprise when England visit the subcontinent...

  • POSTED BY Anwaruzz on | August 20, 2011, 3:14 GMT

    Just look at Australia. New look team, wallah!! new look Board. Take the bull by it's horn and stop beating around the bush. It is like Eng is simply toying with India. The Ind team does not have bowling/batting capability anymore and Dravid personifies what age can do to your fielding. It is a toothless lion waiting to die. And what happened to MRF pace academy ala Lillee?? has he also been snared by bollywood and partyboys too?? Lucky Ind does not have Ban/Zim scheduled to visit Ind in the next 10 years, think it is enough time to rebuild and brag again.

  • POSTED BY vichan on | August 20, 2011, 3:08 GMT

    @mani_narayan: "What England have right now is a good set of players in very good form in their conditions and injury free." You mean except for (arguably) their best batsman, Trott and (arguably) their most penetrative bowler in all conditions. Tremlett. The fact that these players are out injured but it is not even noticeable, is because they are the number one side. For comparison purposes, if South Africa lost their equivalents - Amla and Morkel - it would make an immediate and negative impact for that side.

  • POSTED BY demon_bowler on | August 20, 2011, 3:05 GMT

    I enjoyed reading this. KP put in a lot of hard work to get back to form, and he deserves to bask in his success.

  • POSTED BY Yusuff on | August 20, 2011, 3:02 GMT

    What is happening to Indian bowlers?. Its a shame that they have allowed a partnership of 350 runs to flourish and dominate for most part of the day together with some senseless catching and fielding. Is it a hard and fast rule that Right hand bowlers have to bowl only over the wicket?. Why don't they bowl round the wicket. Make the batsman uncomfortable. Think differently. Unsettle them. Srinath used to do it with good results. The way its going i won't be amazed if Team India drop down in the ranking table very fast. What happened to dhoni?. where are his unique field placements?. Why doesn't he plug the third man gap?. Is there any understanding with the english batsman that u can score ur runs freely in that position!. Come on India. We need some fightback. Hope to see the best of Team India in the remaining 3 days.

  • POSTED BY vichan on | August 20, 2011, 2:58 GMT

    @Bhrigu Aneja "3-0 or even a probable 4-0 series win against India means nothing...The English are a very good team but certainly not as good as the South Africans." The sad thing is, if this series was between India and South Africa, and the South Africans were 3-0 up, then you would probably be saying that they are not as good as the English. It hurts to be crushed by teams that are better than you, but to react with sour grapes and denigrate that performance is, frankly, childish.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 20, 2011, 2:57 GMT

    Asanka Amarasinghe and Sean Saranga Amarasinghe-Its funny that just due to one series in which SL managed to play better than India has brought arrogance in your comments ,what about so many series in which India played better than SL.In 2006 SL managed to draw with England while India won 1-0, India won in NZ while you guys could not beat NZ in NZ,SL got whitewashed in Aus 2-0 , at-least we won one match there,you could not beat WI at home while we have beaten them in WI.India had a bad series but they are miles ahead of SL as far as achievement in test cricket in concerned.You guys havent won a single test in India ,SA and Aus ,in fact since retirement of Murali you guys havent won a test anywhere , even in SL.Look at your own poor condition before commenting on us.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 20, 2011, 2:57 GMT

    Asanka Amarasinghe and Sean Saranga Amarasinghe-Its funny that just due to one series in which SL managed to play better than India has brought arrogance in your comments ,what about so many series in which India played better than SL.In 2006 SL managed to draw with England while India won 1-0, India won in NZ while you guys could not beat NZ in NZ,SL got whitewashed in Aus 2-0 , at-least we won one match there,you could not beat WI at home while we have beaten them in WI.India had a bad series but they are miles ahead of SL as far as achievement in test cricket in concerned.You guys havent won a single test in India ,SA and Aus ,in fact since retirement of Murali you guys havent won a test anywhere , even in SL.Look at your own poor condition before commenting on us.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 20, 2011, 2:56 GMT

    Asanka Amarasinghe and Sean Saranga Amarasinghe-Its funny that just due to one series in which SL managed to play better than India has brought arrogance in your comments ,what about so many series in which India played better than SL.In 2006 SL managed to draw with England while India won 1-0, India won in NZ while you guys could not beat NZ in NZ,SL got whitewashed in Aus 2-0 , at-least we won one match there,you could not beat WI at home while we have beaten them in WI.India had a bad series but they are miles ahead of SL as far as achievement in test cricket in concerned.You guys havent won a single test in India ,SA and Aus ,in fact since retirement of Murali you guys havent won a test anywhere , even in SL.Look at your own poor condition before commenting on us.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 2:41 GMT

    @Maui3 I tend to agree with most of what you've said, however, it would not be wise for Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman to retire at the same time. I think BCCI should allow Sachin to play until end of Australian tour later this year,and leave Dravid in the side until around December of next year. Laxman, given his age, can probably play for at least another two years. In this way, the Indian team will avoid the slide that the West Indies has encountered ushering the new generation of batsmen.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 2:19 GMT

    Start struck Indian team seems to be biting the dust. Since the first day of the game has been washed out we would be able to see a fifth day cricket if India manages to hold on for more than four sessions in their allocated two innings. These games remind me of playing against Bangladesh which each top order batsmen scores a hundred and walk off (retire) to give the other batsman to score a hundred. I think England team should do just the same if not a hundred when one scores a double hundred he should give an opportunity to the next batsman to score a double hundred by retiring. This Indian side should be playing a tri-nation in Africa with Zimbabwe and Bangladesh not a one day and test series in England,

  • POSTED BY mani_narayan on | August 20, 2011, 2:09 GMT

    What England have right now is a good set of players in very good form in their conditions and injury free. Yes, England are absolutely destroying India right now but this is an Indian team that came in unprepared mentally, emotionally (after the WC high) and physically (injures, no practice matches etc). It is not an excuse but it is the reality. England also beat Australia when the Australian team was at its worst - which is again not Englands fault but the reality of the situation. The reality is also that this is the same England team that anihilated Australia and then in the WC lost to both Bangladesh and Ireland. It tells you that England will find it very difficult to win in the sub-continent and when the form of some of their players gets down,thats when its difficult to sustain things. To prove my point, we dont have to wait too long until Englands Pakistan/Sri Lanka tours that are coming up. And for India, it is a good wake up call that they needed to get their house in order

  • POSTED BY HazimEjaz on | August 20, 2011, 2:05 GMT

    @ subbass, yes poor old India. I really for sorry for them and their arrogant fans. It enough England stop the torture.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | August 20, 2011, 2:00 GMT

    Thanks miller for another blatantly biased article. when will it stop.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 20, 2011, 1:58 GMT

    Asanka Amarasinghe-Its funny that just due to one series in which SL managed to play better than India has brought arrogance in your comments ,what about so many series in which India played better than SL.In 2006 SL managed to draw with England while India won 1-0, India won in NZ while you guys could not beat NZ in NZ,SL got whitewashed in Aus 2-0 , at-least we won one match there,you could not beat WI at home while we have beaten them in WI.India had a bad series but they are miles ahead of SL as far as achievement in test cricket in concerned.You guys havent won a single test in India ,SA and Aus ,in fact since retirement of Murali you guys havent won a test anywhere , even in SL.Look at your own poor condition before commenting on us.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 1:42 GMT

    Are we beginning to be like the Ozzies when we wondered are we so good or are they so bad, on second thoughts the Ozzies would never think that the oppo was so bad, its not in their makeup......

  • POSTED BY KiwiPom on | August 20, 2011, 1:36 GMT

    You'd have to go back to Pakistan in England in 1962 to find an attack comparable to this current Indian one. This series says very little about England and an awful lot about India.

  • POSTED BY Drew2 on | August 20, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    England are absolutely destroying India, but some fans are still giving meaningless excuses. Does anyone honestly believe that, if this series was played in India , the roles would be reversed? Face reality, India has aging stars which couldn't elevate them to no 1, when they were in their prime. The injuries haven't change the result. Luck isn't a factor. Every team has these issues. As for England winning over seas, well their win in Australia was pretty comprehensive. It will be interesting when Inida tour Australia and play their rebuilt side. India have never, repeat never, won a test series in Australia. I don't hear that getting said very often. I do keep endlessly hearing about sides not able to win in India however, as if that is the ultimate measuring stick.

  • POSTED BY me54321 on | August 20, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    Haha, love Pieterson's comment at the end! I'm sure a few Indian fans will see it as arrogant and distasteful, but it's just good banter(with a hint of truth). With all these weak bowling line ups around, the England batsmen are all going to have averages like the flat track bullies of India, except Strauss it seems.

  • POSTED BY Champagne_Cricket on | August 20, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    Not crossed 288 in the past 6 innings!!! what a disaster..

  • POSTED BY Vishal_07 on | August 20, 2011, 1:20 GMT

    I think BCCI should just focus on 20/20 and ODIs from now on. It is clear that they don't care about Test so why make a mockery out of it. Get more money, have players who have stamina to last 3.5hrs - bowlers can bowl 5/10 overs and be done, batsman can just hit everything that come their way and with 10 wickets they can lost all 20 overs and majority of 50 overs. They of course have good bench strength when it comes to these shorter formats. Hell, even RP can last that long! Win, win, win, all around.

  • POSTED BY Jipster on | August 20, 2011, 1:15 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster - I wouldn't really say it was KP being cocky. ENG have trained hard, have worked to a plan and treated this series with the commitment and work ethic it takes to beat the #1 test side in the world. Sadly, ZK got injured and I haven't spoken to 1 person I know who thinks India have the bowling attack to get 20 wickets in a game. Praveen Kumar has bowled his heart out, and is my MOTS for India, but without him or ZK not even the most revered batting line-up in the world will win a game if you don't get 20 wickets. It would have been great to beat India at full strength, but ENG have only done the job against what we are presented with, which is sadly woeful.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 20, 2011, 1:04 GMT

    This whole series reminded me of first test at SA which India lost in similar manner ,since they won the next test ,BCCI never bothered to review the flaws.No hard feelings for England ,instead i have deep respect and thankfulness for them as they are like good old friends to us who always pull us out of fairy tale,which always proves to be beneficial for long run.It was them in 2007 who exposed the weak links in ODI team of India which eventually led to introduction of new players and Dhoni as captain,even if recent WC they exposed Indian bowling in that tie match and brought India down to make them realize that they are not runaway winners and they need to work harder if they want to become champs.Now they have exposed the ill management of BCCI of exhausting players through IPL, making things tough for batsman by not playing practice games hence touring under prepared and not enough dedication and seriousness towards improving the bowling.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 20, 2011, 1:04 GMT

    This whole series reminded me of first test at SA which India lost in similar manner ,since they won the next test ,BCCI never bothered to review the flaws.No hard feelings for England ,instead i have deep respect and thankfulness for them as they are like good old friends to us who always pull us out of fairy tale,which always proves to be beneficial for long run.It was them in 2007 who exposed the weak links in ODI team of India which eventually led to introduction of new players and Dhoni as captain,even if recent WC they exposed Indian bowling in that tie match and brought India down to make them realize that they are not runaway winners and they need to work harder if they want to become champs.Now they have exposed the ill management of BCCI of exhausting players through IPL, making things tough for batsman by not playing practice games hence touring under prepared and not enough dedication and seriousness towards improving the bowling.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 0:51 GMT

    The English are right now playing a team that can possibly be defeated by Bangladesh. Piling up 700 runs is not a big deal against the bowling attack their facing, and describing the batting performances pathetic would be an understatement. India played as worse against Somerset and that other team. 3-0 or even a probable 4-0 series win against India means nothing. I don't believe they will be able to hold their ranking for too long. The English are a very good team but certainly not as good as the South Africans. If India does not come back as the team that won the world cup soon I am positive the proteas will take their place.

  • POSTED BY Stevieweivy on | August 20, 2011, 0:48 GMT

    Ricardo - you mean like "yeah - but how would they go in Australia" or "how would they go in South Africa against the second or third best bowling attack in the world" ??? Have you been on a desert island for the last year ?

  • POSTED BY Shan156 on | August 20, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    @rocknrola, you are right, Strauss is a complete failure yet averages 38 in the series. Relatively, he is a failure but how many Indian batsmen would love to average 38 in this series? Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Raina all average less than that.

  • POSTED BY Shan156 on | August 20, 2011, 0:46 GMT

    @Asanka Amarasinghe, While the Indian bowling isn't great, it is miles ahead of the Sri Lankan pop-gun attack. Don't worry about us retaining our #1 ranking; instead, worry about how you are going to win the series against Australia at home or even a single test away. How many tests (not series, just tests) have SL won in India, Australia and South Africa? A big round 0.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 20, 2011, 0:38 GMT

    I think this pitch is one of those typical English Highways that we already saw in Edgbaston or even worser highway than the Edgbaston's highway. It would be a shame if Indian batsmen goof it up again. Of course, poor bowling from India too. The champions that KP and Bell are, you wouldn't expect a scoreline different from what we are seeing here. Too lovely batsmen will obviously make it count on such a dead wicket......

  • POSTED BY sohaibahmad on | August 20, 2011, 0:37 GMT

    cant help thinking of 1974, the 3-0 whitewash....atleast there was some fight then...the "infighting" in the Indian team :), even that is missing this time around :)

  • POSTED BY cricket_for_all on | August 20, 2011, 0:19 GMT

    Any team will be so good against the school boy bowlers.

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 20, 2011, 0:15 GMT

    @Swombats: Your comment reflects nothing but arrogance. Just enjoy the honeymoon England are having. India have been utterly rubbish and the Indian fans are only supporting their team. Since cricket is THE premiere sport in India, fans are fanatic about it and hence some of the emotional out pour. You should have had the common sense to acknowledge it and from your post it's evident you totally lack it. 15 months from now anything can happen in cricket. Hell, our lives can change in a matter of seconds; cricket is only a sport. The fortunes of team India can change between now and then. At the moment, England are brilliant and India deserve the thrashing they are getting. But writing off India, the current world champions completely from all future contests will be at your peril.

  • POSTED BY Rakim on | August 20, 2011, 0:03 GMT

    England's on fire!! these guys gonna remain on #1 for a long time.

  • POSTED BY Maui3 on | August 19, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    This england team is beginning to do what the current indian batsman did to countries world over last several years. There is no doubt they are the new king of the hill and has the potential to stay there for several years, if the hunger and drive stays. They seem to play with 13 players given all the all rounders they have and they have a core of young players. When Trott comes back, the #6 slot is the only slot for grab (and that too just barely) and a possibly an off-spinner missing to help win in the sub continent. As a Indian supporter it is sad to see the Tendulkars and Co go down this way and having tasted all the successes (World cup win. Test #1 spot) I wish laxman, tendulkar and laxman had retired before the series started!!! But, such is life at the top and it would be nice if their contribution to Indian and world cricket is not forgotten and are given an appropriate farewell at the oval, being their last test in england and possibly last ever.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:37 GMT

    England has the batting depth that will flourish under English conditions. It will be interesting to see how they perform overseas. England has out-classed India in every category. I still believe this English team will have a hard time beating West Indies in the West Indies once the West Indies bowlers are fully fit. I will like to see them face up to Edwards, Roach, and Taylor in the West Indies.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 19, 2011, 23:32 GMT

    The figures look nice - but it's too easy. There really isn't much merit in butchering India anymore. Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan - all these teams put up much more of a fight than this. It's wretched, rubbish cricket from india. The Oval is the most "Indian like" pitch in England - and Pietersen & Bell are giving India advance warning of what is coming their way next year. Despite what a lot of their followers want to believe; like Bangladesh, india have NOTHING, NOTHING WHATSOEVER with which to bowl England out. Not here - not anywhere. Nevertheless, I guarantee that there will be some fans coming on here to say that it's "unfair" or "unlucky" or that England are "weak against spin" (LOL) or "England only good at home" (LOL) or that "South Africa are the better team" or that "india will thrash England in india" or "india have great young players who will thrash England" or "England only good in cloudy conditions", etc, etc, etc, YAWN. Well - it wasn't cloudy at the Oval today.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:27 GMT

    Sadly they are playing a 3rd class team who obviously don't want to be there.

    Yes, you can only beat the players put out against you, but India are a disgrace and easily the most disappointing side to tour England since time began.

  • POSTED BY GHemrajani on | August 19, 2011, 23:11 GMT

    Agree with the article, but cant understand the conservative attitude to include 6 batsman specially with the series in the bag and a flat pitch on offer. Including Bopara is a waste. Onions would have been far useful if England gets to enforce a follow on. 5 bowlers would share the workload much better.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    plz guys... dont under estimate india s performance.... actully Team India gives support to anna hazare against corruption........so plz 3 cheers for Team India....

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:07 GMT

    Well English team should enjoy while they can. They are playing against a mediocre bowling attack. The current Indian bowlers will have a hard time even bowling out non test playing nations like Afghanistan. Their true test will come very soon in Sri Lanka. I don't think England will hold the no.1 ranking for more than a few months.

  • POSTED BY subbass on | August 19, 2011, 23:01 GMT

    brutal. poor old india. I am starting to feel sorry for them.

  • POSTED BY rocknrola on | August 19, 2011, 22:38 GMT

    I like Kevin Pietersen when he hits the switch-hit and the way he comes over the bowlers and play shots is very awesome. But, I was disappointed that Kevin did not get his 200.Bell remembers me my favorite stylish Rahul Dravid sometimes. Both Kevin and Bell put England team in stronger position after losing Strauss and Cook early. Strauss is complete failure in this series when compared to rest of their team mates.

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 19, 2011, 22:31 GMT

    Yet again the Indians have done it... a poor, dismal performance. England are so high on confidence that they could actually bat until whatever time they want to. However, Pietersen's remarks are nothing short of sheer arrogance and cockiness. This sort of arrogance from England is something they can do without. Getting to no.1 is a wonderful thing, but what's more important is maintaining it with a humble fervor. If India are not motivated to do well after hearing such remarks then I ain't so sure when they would be. I still hope the Indian batsmen can score runs on this pitch cause it's flat as a highway. It's all about application and doing justice to your overblown reputation and ego; the Indian batsmen have plenty of them.

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  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | August 19, 2011, 22:31 GMT

    Yet again the Indians have done it... a poor, dismal performance. England are so high on confidence that they could actually bat until whatever time they want to. However, Pietersen's remarks are nothing short of sheer arrogance and cockiness. This sort of arrogance from England is something they can do without. Getting to no.1 is a wonderful thing, but what's more important is maintaining it with a humble fervor. If India are not motivated to do well after hearing such remarks then I ain't so sure when they would be. I still hope the Indian batsmen can score runs on this pitch cause it's flat as a highway. It's all about application and doing justice to your overblown reputation and ego; the Indian batsmen have plenty of them.

  • POSTED BY rocknrola on | August 19, 2011, 22:38 GMT

    I like Kevin Pietersen when he hits the switch-hit and the way he comes over the bowlers and play shots is very awesome. But, I was disappointed that Kevin did not get his 200.Bell remembers me my favorite stylish Rahul Dravid sometimes. Both Kevin and Bell put England team in stronger position after losing Strauss and Cook early. Strauss is complete failure in this series when compared to rest of their team mates.

  • POSTED BY subbass on | August 19, 2011, 23:01 GMT

    brutal. poor old india. I am starting to feel sorry for them.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:07 GMT

    Well English team should enjoy while they can. They are playing against a mediocre bowling attack. The current Indian bowlers will have a hard time even bowling out non test playing nations like Afghanistan. Their true test will come very soon in Sri Lanka. I don't think England will hold the no.1 ranking for more than a few months.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    plz guys... dont under estimate india s performance.... actully Team India gives support to anna hazare against corruption........so plz 3 cheers for Team India....

  • POSTED BY GHemrajani on | August 19, 2011, 23:11 GMT

    Agree with the article, but cant understand the conservative attitude to include 6 batsman specially with the series in the bag and a flat pitch on offer. Including Bopara is a waste. Onions would have been far useful if England gets to enforce a follow on. 5 bowlers would share the workload much better.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:27 GMT

    Sadly they are playing a 3rd class team who obviously don't want to be there.

    Yes, you can only beat the players put out against you, but India are a disgrace and easily the most disappointing side to tour England since time began.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 19, 2011, 23:32 GMT

    The figures look nice - but it's too easy. There really isn't much merit in butchering India anymore. Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan - all these teams put up much more of a fight than this. It's wretched, rubbish cricket from india. The Oval is the most "Indian like" pitch in England - and Pietersen & Bell are giving India advance warning of what is coming their way next year. Despite what a lot of their followers want to believe; like Bangladesh, india have NOTHING, NOTHING WHATSOEVER with which to bowl England out. Not here - not anywhere. Nevertheless, I guarantee that there will be some fans coming on here to say that it's "unfair" or "unlucky" or that England are "weak against spin" (LOL) or "England only good at home" (LOL) or that "South Africa are the better team" or that "india will thrash England in india" or "india have great young players who will thrash England" or "England only good in cloudy conditions", etc, etc, etc, YAWN. Well - it wasn't cloudy at the Oval today.

  • POSTED BY on | August 19, 2011, 23:37 GMT

    England has the batting depth that will flourish under English conditions. It will be interesting to see how they perform overseas. England has out-classed India in every category. I still believe this English team will have a hard time beating West Indies in the West Indies once the West Indies bowlers are fully fit. I will like to see them face up to Edwards, Roach, and Taylor in the West Indies.

  • POSTED BY Maui3 on | August 19, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    This england team is beginning to do what the current indian batsman did to countries world over last several years. There is no doubt they are the new king of the hill and has the potential to stay there for several years, if the hunger and drive stays. They seem to play with 13 players given all the all rounders they have and they have a core of young players. When Trott comes back, the #6 slot is the only slot for grab (and that too just barely) and a possibly an off-spinner missing to help win in the sub continent. As a Indian supporter it is sad to see the Tendulkars and Co go down this way and having tasted all the successes (World cup win. Test #1 spot) I wish laxman, tendulkar and laxman had retired before the series started!!! But, such is life at the top and it would be nice if their contribution to Indian and world cricket is not forgotten and are given an appropriate farewell at the oval, being their last test in england and possibly last ever.