England v India, 4th npower Test, The Oval, 3rd day August 20, 2011

India have become a laughing stock

They arrived as the world No. 1 team but will end the series embarrassed and, in all likelihood, whitewashed
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Shortly after the close of play at The Oval, a drunken punter in a furry penguin outfit attempted to run out to the middle of the pitch. He fell flat on his face after five steps, was pounced on by six security guards, and was hauled off to face the consequences of his actions. With the possible exception of Suresh Raina's 29-ball duck, it was the most pitiful sight on another extraordinary day of cricket, but at least we can be sure that he won't be allowed back in for more.

Alas for India's cricketers, they won't have the same get-out. On Sunday England will set about administering the last rites of a sorry series, and to judge by the manner in which they shed five prime wickets in 31 overs in the fading evening light, India seem more than capable of shrugging off their remaining 15 in 98. Mentally they have already turned their backs on a contest in which only the absent Praveen Kumar and the unfailingly admirable Rahul Dravid have come close to maintaining their reputations, let alone enhancing them.

Dravid remained steadfast to the bitter end, magnificent in his defiance of all circumstance - including the concussion suffered by Gautam Gambhir that obliged him to step up as an emergency opener for the fourth time out of seven innings in this series (or sixth out of seven if you take into account Virender Sehwag's king pair at Edgbaston). His presence, experience and example shine out as a beacon of everything that India have squandered on this trip - technical proficiency, guts and reputation chief among them.

Something dramatic has come to pass in the course of the past four fixtures, and though the BCCI can ignore if it chooses, it would be foolish to do so. Indian cricket has become the laughing stock of the world game, and while that might not seem to matter to a board that generates 70% of the sport's global income and has in its locker-room the World Cup trophy, no less, ridicule tends to be a corrosive disease.

For all its undeniable flaws, international cricket remains, for now, the benchmark by which the sport is judged, and India's success in international cricket has been the very reason why their spin-off products are so marketable. It's easy to forget how sniffy the BCCI was about their new favourite form of the game, Twenty20, until India's global triumph in 2007 opened their eyes to its potential. Ever since then, the hype of the IPL - while thrilling, lucrative, and epoch-defining - has been underpinned by the solid knowledge that Indian cricket really is the best in show.

Thanks to India's sheer demographics, it could yet be that the tipping point has been reached already - that it will no longer matter if their blue-riband product degenerates into a World Wrestling Federation-style circus, so long as enough of the game's key players subscribe, for want of a better phrase, to the Hayden Way. But India is committed to the Future Tours Programme until 2020, so there's no ducking the sanctity of Test cricket just yet. Besides, given how far they have travelled in the decade just gone, there's plenty of scope for regression if they don't mend their ways.

In the past few years, instead of using their wealth to form the structures required for self-perpetuation, the farce of this current tour has demonstrated how the BCCI has relied on the brilliance of its top players for too long. A golden generation of batsmen is hurtling towards the end of the line, the team's key bowlers are unfit, and as the struggles of Raina, Abhinav Mukund and even Yuvraj Singh have demonstrated, the next generation lack the all-round proficiency to fill such massive voids.

That latter point is precisely the reason why Duncan Fletcher was hired as India's coach. Almost to a man, the England batsmen who are shattering new records every day, will swear by his wisdom and expertise, particularly in analysing and ironing out technical flaws. During his seven years with England, he set the team up for as-then unparalleled success, and though he's now in danger of being remembered for two of the most humbling whitewashes of all time, this latter failure is in no way his fault.

That much was clear in a fractious end-of-day press conference, when India's bowling coach Eric Simons was served up to protest his team's commitment to the cause. "There's no doubt this Test can be saved, but there's no doubt who are favourites," he said, with the sort of wearied clichés that Andrew Flintoff fell back on during that Ashes whitewash of 2006-07. "We know Rahul Dravid can bat long periods of time, MS [Dhoni] is coming into his own and Gautam [Gambhir] will be back tomorrow. We need someone to bed in for a long period of time."

It's not fair to mock Simons for his hopeless optimism. He is a diligent professional with a decade of experience in an international coaching set-up, but the futility of his role within India's lumbering unit, and by extension Fletcher's, is just one of many facets that has been ripped asunder in this series. For the bulk of his 15 minutes in front of the media, Simons fielded a range of frenzied questions including one monologue from an Indian journalist, the gist of which was: "When will the BCCI realise Zaheer Khan is not Superman?"

The answer, however, is not in Simons' remit, as Anirudh Chaudhary, India's team manager, made abundantly clear with his regular interjections. "Eric would not know about that," he stated on one occasion, after an enquiry about India's request for an extra practice match on this winter's tour of Australia.

Why would a senior member of India's coaching staff not be in the loop about such an issue, especially given that the seeds of their downfall on this trip were sown during their undercooked display down at Taunton in July? The question is rhetorical, because the answer is plain to see. But that's not to say that it should be allowed to remain that way.

India are not the first team to be humiliated in a Test series and they will not be the last, but rarely has such a shocking result been inflicted on a side with such pre-series expectations. Australia's 4-0 battering in South Africa in 1969-70, or England's Ashes disaster in 1958-59 are among the most notable parallels.

But every now again, such jolts to the system can only be A Good Thing. While it was ghastly to endure at the time, England's own whitewash five years ago was in many ways the best thing that could have happened to the team at the time. The result obliged a malfunctioning outfit to conduct a root-and-branch reassessment of their game, and while the resultant Schofield Report was criticised in places for its vapidity, it made some key recommendations which set out to protect the sanctity of the national team.

First among those was the introduction of a managing director of the England team. Hugh Morris's new position was soon tested to the limits by the Pietersen-Moores debacle of early 2009, but having survived that acid test, it came into its own in the exhaustive planning for the Ashes campaign of 2010-11. The presence of a conduit capable of reaching into the heart of the ECB, and delivering on virtually every one of Andy Flower's requests, guaranteed that that campaign would triumph where every other trip of the previous 24 years had failed.

It's no coincidence that Cricket Australia has aped many of England's methods in their newly unveiled Argus Report. Australia have a burning desire to return from whence they fell, and resume their long-held status as the best international team in the world. Do the BCCI have the same desire? For the sake of the sport, we have to hope so. But for the time being, they need to be mocked. It's the best incentive going.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Hammond on | August 22, 2011, 21:59 GMT

    @Angad11 "Who cares about Test cricket anymore"? Umm- the people who sold out the Oval test you just watched (including Indian fans) the people that sell out the ashes every time it is played, and the millions upon millions of TV viewers that watch it. And England has won the T20 world cup or didn't you hear about that? Savour the ODI cricket while it lasts, it has become too predictable and boring and will be extinct soon. Then what will India be able to brag about? Nothing. Maybe they will all play football then.

  • POSTED BY andrew-schulz on | August 22, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    Still think it was 'hopeless optimism' from Simons? I do hope India lose because they deserve to be whitewashed, but your assessment is still dismal, Miller.

  • POSTED BY Bang_La on | August 22, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    If, in case, table is turned and for some obvious reasons India needed to play most of their matches abroad, what would happen? I know one for sure, the sales of most consumer items will drop, poor CocaCola et. el. :)

  • POSTED BY Angad11 on | August 22, 2011, 3:09 GMT

    Who cares about Test cricket anymore, its for old, lethargic people living on social security income and have nothing else to do in life. ODI and T20's are the future of cricket and where all the fun is. Now suddenly, the English have started to talk about cricket. Seriously? You have not won a world cup since inventing the game, even SL has won and in a few years Bdesh will also but you will never win.

  • POSTED BY KAIRAVA on | August 22, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    The recently concluded series against WI should have served as an ideal reminder of India's shortcomings ahead of an all-important tour to WI where a top ranked Indian test team was supposed to beat a bottom ranked West Indies side 3-0 but instead India struggled to scrape past to win it by the narrowest of margins of 1-0. Indian bowlers struggled to pick tailenders wickets on pitches favouring the bowlers and even bought an out-of-form & out-of team batsman like Shiv Chanderpaul to score a match saving century against them. @PrajithR: Yes, India blanked Australia 2-0 but in both the matches, the results go have gone either way as the Aussies posed relentless challenge & India were a tad bit lucky to win atleast one of the matches in that exciting series. @ bhaloniaz: Yes it is ok to lose but its not ok when you lose a series in a blatant manner like this where Indians were outclassed in every department & in every session of the series. No excuses for such pitiful performances.

  • POSTED BY KAIRAVA on | August 22, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    Being an avid follower of Indian cricket for the past 20 years, I, for once agree with Andrew Miller that India has indeed become the laughing stock of test cricket during the past 5 months starting from the IPL circus. Inspite of the interest that it has generated among the cricket lovers in India, IPL doesn't create passionate Indian cricket players who put their nation before the humongous amount of money that they earn for just appearing for 2 months for their respective clubs in a tournament created by a money minded BCCI & being run by a bunch of the corporates & businessmen. Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer, Harbhajan & to some extent even the legend Sachin Tendulkar are guilty of such an undeniable & unpardonable offence. Harbhajan is in the team for his spin bowling & now he seems to have forgotten how to spin thanks to IPL. Even though he is 38 years old, Sachin had no business to miss the WI test series in what would have been his last appearance in the Caribbean. (CONTINUED)

  • POSTED BY crickeyt on | August 21, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    India has played poorly in this series, but to consider the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag as laughing stocks just shows poor taste. They have performed legendary deeds in Test cricket over 15-20 years. And one bad series makes them a laughing stock? The Indian team is the most overworked one out there and its achievements are in spite of an antagonistic BCCI. Such articles show no respect for the game, or its great players. One would expect Cricinfo's writers to have better taste, judgment and sense of history.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 21, 2011, 22:18 GMT

    @maddy20 - YOU lecturing people here about being childish!!! Incredible. Are you TOTALLY shameless? And why the hell are you still talking about the World Cup? For Gods sake. @Master01; similarly brazen ridiculous comments; "wait till you come to the subcontinent"….. la da la da la da. You boys have been crowing for months. I can't wait for the end of the series - then I and many other cricket supporters won't have to read your trash anymore.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 22:05 GMT

    I am wondering what took the world so long to laugh! India hardly wins on the road.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 21:31 GMT

    @PrajithR - Is that you Ravi Shastri?

  • POSTED BY Hammond on | August 22, 2011, 21:59 GMT

    @Angad11 "Who cares about Test cricket anymore"? Umm- the people who sold out the Oval test you just watched (including Indian fans) the people that sell out the ashes every time it is played, and the millions upon millions of TV viewers that watch it. And England has won the T20 world cup or didn't you hear about that? Savour the ODI cricket while it lasts, it has become too predictable and boring and will be extinct soon. Then what will India be able to brag about? Nothing. Maybe they will all play football then.

  • POSTED BY andrew-schulz on | August 22, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    Still think it was 'hopeless optimism' from Simons? I do hope India lose because they deserve to be whitewashed, but your assessment is still dismal, Miller.

  • POSTED BY Bang_La on | August 22, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    If, in case, table is turned and for some obvious reasons India needed to play most of their matches abroad, what would happen? I know one for sure, the sales of most consumer items will drop, poor CocaCola et. el. :)

  • POSTED BY Angad11 on | August 22, 2011, 3:09 GMT

    Who cares about Test cricket anymore, its for old, lethargic people living on social security income and have nothing else to do in life. ODI and T20's are the future of cricket and where all the fun is. Now suddenly, the English have started to talk about cricket. Seriously? You have not won a world cup since inventing the game, even SL has won and in a few years Bdesh will also but you will never win.

  • POSTED BY KAIRAVA on | August 22, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    The recently concluded series against WI should have served as an ideal reminder of India's shortcomings ahead of an all-important tour to WI where a top ranked Indian test team was supposed to beat a bottom ranked West Indies side 3-0 but instead India struggled to scrape past to win it by the narrowest of margins of 1-0. Indian bowlers struggled to pick tailenders wickets on pitches favouring the bowlers and even bought an out-of-form & out-of team batsman like Shiv Chanderpaul to score a match saving century against them. @PrajithR: Yes, India blanked Australia 2-0 but in both the matches, the results go have gone either way as the Aussies posed relentless challenge & India were a tad bit lucky to win atleast one of the matches in that exciting series. @ bhaloniaz: Yes it is ok to lose but its not ok when you lose a series in a blatant manner like this where Indians were outclassed in every department & in every session of the series. No excuses for such pitiful performances.

  • POSTED BY KAIRAVA on | August 22, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    Being an avid follower of Indian cricket for the past 20 years, I, for once agree with Andrew Miller that India has indeed become the laughing stock of test cricket during the past 5 months starting from the IPL circus. Inspite of the interest that it has generated among the cricket lovers in India, IPL doesn't create passionate Indian cricket players who put their nation before the humongous amount of money that they earn for just appearing for 2 months for their respective clubs in a tournament created by a money minded BCCI & being run by a bunch of the corporates & businessmen. Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer, Harbhajan & to some extent even the legend Sachin Tendulkar are guilty of such an undeniable & unpardonable offence. Harbhajan is in the team for his spin bowling & now he seems to have forgotten how to spin thanks to IPL. Even though he is 38 years old, Sachin had no business to miss the WI test series in what would have been his last appearance in the Caribbean. (CONTINUED)

  • POSTED BY crickeyt on | August 21, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    India has played poorly in this series, but to consider the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag as laughing stocks just shows poor taste. They have performed legendary deeds in Test cricket over 15-20 years. And one bad series makes them a laughing stock? The Indian team is the most overworked one out there and its achievements are in spite of an antagonistic BCCI. Such articles show no respect for the game, or its great players. One would expect Cricinfo's writers to have better taste, judgment and sense of history.

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 21, 2011, 22:18 GMT

    @maddy20 - YOU lecturing people here about being childish!!! Incredible. Are you TOTALLY shameless? And why the hell are you still talking about the World Cup? For Gods sake. @Master01; similarly brazen ridiculous comments; "wait till you come to the subcontinent"….. la da la da la da. You boys have been crowing for months. I can't wait for the end of the series - then I and many other cricket supporters won't have to read your trash anymore.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 22:05 GMT

    I am wondering what took the world so long to laugh! India hardly wins on the road.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 21:31 GMT

    @PrajithR - Is that you Ravi Shastri?

  • POSTED BY PrajithR on | August 21, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    Mr Miller, this is the only poor series played by India in past 3 years(unlike all other 9 test nations). If raina and yuvraj failed, then we will give oppurtunity to Rohit Sharma, Badrinath, Manish Pandey and Pujara. If Mishra has failed then we will give oppurtunity to Ashwin and Rahul Sharma. These things happen in every team. India will always be able to feild a competetive team in subcontinental conditions. How can you say India is a laughing stock? Let us see how England will fare in subcontinent. India will certainly rise above the current situation...For ENG it will be better to look how their batting line be without imported players liket Pieterson, Trott, Prior, Morgan, before commenting on strength and virtues of County Cricket.

  • POSTED BY PrajithR on | August 21, 2011, 20:09 GMT

    How can you say India is a laughing stock?..What was that when you lost 5-0 to AUS in 2007.. One poor result in three years and Mr Miller thinks India has reached the standards of England team in 90's (When their team was populated by half a dozen members of Ronnie Irani's class).. India blanked AUS 2-0 a year ago, drew with SA 1-1 in SA. Any article written about India by Englishmen reaches three conclusions 1) India controls 70% of cricket revenue (and growing) 2) India has IPL 3) India can stand on its own in ICC.. The above article is no different from those.Pure JEALOUSY.

  • POSTED BY PrajithR on | August 21, 2011, 20:01 GMT

    @dsig , So when Nasser hussain sets 7-2 field and makes Giles bowl one feet outside leg stump, for a whole series , that is a great tactical move and when dhoni does it , he should be punished ?

  • POSTED BY bhaloniaz on | August 21, 2011, 19:41 GMT

    Its ok to lose. Its not equivalent of being the laughing stock. But when you talk about Sreesanth and Ishant are going to play chin music to English batsman and when you say Shewag and Tendulkar are going to hit Tremlett and Anderson this way or that, then in the real test your batsmen jump around by the bounces of English pacers.. should not we laugh? Bt that was funny. If you pay respect to others, no one else would laugh at you. To be fair Indian cricketers for the most part are respectful.

  • POSTED BY MBhagat123 on | August 21, 2011, 19:40 GMT

    The English Cricket team must be feeling left out. They have been World Ranking 1 in being the Laughing Stock for as long as anyone can remember. :D

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 18:30 GMT

    ​I think India needed this to realise they are living in this planet with all of us not above in the sky! Here nothing is for granted even mighty Aussies had to kneel-down to the english in an emphatic fashion at their homeland. I hope from now on India will not deny UDRS system for no reason other then being stubborn, and play regularly team like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe to help them flourish their true potential.

  • POSTED BY dsig3 on | August 21, 2011, 18:23 GMT

    Well well, all Indians are very gracious now arnt we? You would think that your team was a model of respect when they were No.1 wouldn't you? Its easy to ask for a bit of mercy when your on the ground but you might struggle to find it now. Too much water under the bridge I am afraid. Whenever I think of feeling sorry for India I remember them openly vilifying an Aussie with Caribbean descent. I remember them threatening to fly home if things didnt go their way. I remember Dhoni selecting umpires because he didnt like their decisions. I remember Dhoni's famous 7-2 fields and the time wasting techniques he was never punished for. Cricket is in a better place with England as much as it pains me to say it.

  • POSTED BY cool2cool on | August 21, 2011, 18:17 GMT

    No 50-50 world cup, no major trophy except T20wc... Let them enjoy, first time after playing for so many years, they are enjoying some success.

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | August 21, 2011, 18:03 GMT

    i think in an odd way the indian ipl has helped english county cricket. the days of good overseas cricketers stepping into a county side seems in decline. that being said this helps our young guys getting more of a chance. me thinks if we are getting poorer overseas players why not stop them all together, and make the county game just english qualified players.more money for the english game. dpk

  • POSTED BY chintz2021 on | August 21, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    Mr Millers article when India have not yet lost 4-0 - "India have become a Laughing stock"

    Mr Millers article when England LOST 5-0 in the ASHES in 06/07 - "Pietersen the best of a poor bunch"

    What do you call this !!!!

  • POSTED BY PrajithR on | August 21, 2011, 17:59 GMT

    One poor result in three years and Mr Miller thinks India has reached the standards of England team in 90's (When their team was populated by half a dozen members of Ronnie Irani's class). India blanked AUS 2-0 a year ago, drew with SA 1-1 in SA. Any article written about India by Englishmen reaches three conclusions 1) India controls 70% of cricket revenue (and growing) 2) India has IPL 3) India can stand on its own in ICC. The above article is no different from those.Pure JEALOUSY.

  • POSTED BY chandar_77 on | August 21, 2011, 17:58 GMT

    Very harsh words.English suppprters and colominist need to accept the no. 1 ranking with lot of humility.Probably it becoming too much to digest for them.So much so that having being the founders of the game, it has taken such a long time to reach no. 1itself is surprising.Plus they have never won the 50 overs world cup.All the best and well played to the English team but a bit of humility and respect to opponents will lend some grace to your celebration!

  • POSTED BY voma on | August 21, 2011, 17:51 GMT

    India , have been a complete joke in this series . What makes me laugh is the way there fans try and make excuses for it all . It wasnt England fans making predictions on this site about the scoreline , we just wanted a good series ! . Bangladesh would have made a better fight of it .

  • POSTED BY chintz2021 on | August 21, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    Mr Miller,

    Hope you will use the same words when England tours the sub-continent.

  • POSTED BY wagon_wheel on | August 21, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    Looks like the author has conveniently forgotten to mention that England were whitewashed 5-0 just a few years ago in Australia, and before calling somebody a laughing stock, the author need not go very far to find out how England fared in the WC 2011. I guess the losses to Ireland and Sri Lanka were attributed to the fact that England team failed to get over the euphoria of winning the Ashes. Why should India be then now awarded the same excuse? More than that the India team has been hit with a spate of injuries which no one can deny. The Indian team may have performed below expectations but have been gracious in defeat. Well cannot really say that the English have been modest in victory. Wait cannot really expect them to be modest because for too long they have been the whipping boys of world cricket and suddenly dont seem to know how to handle the new found # 1 status.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    @cricindia208...Its funny how you bring in Pakistan when India is losing just to boast about your team...shame...I am sorry if you cant handle the pressure of your team losing

  • POSTED BY dsig3 on | August 21, 2011, 17:42 GMT

    Bye bye India, there are alot of teams who will be looking forward to playing you on your fall down the ladder. We in Aus have some unfinished business that I have been waiting for since 2007. This is not a flash in the pan. India have thrown their batting line up at Eng and been smashed to pieces. In years past that would never, ever happen and every Indian knows it. The greats are too old and the young players on every team will be after them like no ones business. See ya soon.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    If it leads to the end of BCCI's arrogance, then India's rout is well worth it!

  • POSTED BY RK.Chandru on | August 21, 2011, 17:27 GMT

    heads will roll after this tour and as usual, it'll only be South Indian heads that would roll. Mukund already suffered it. It'll be the turn of others now barring Dravid. Raina's failures are ok. acceptable. RP is even rewarded with a place in the ODI & T20 team for his failure. When it comes to poor South Indians (Badris, Vijays, Vinays, Srees, Mithuns...), they find it easy to dispense so that, more northies can be accommodated.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 17:26 GMT

    I'm neither an Indian nor an England fan but i've been watching cricket a lot longer than most of you have and probably before you were born. Sure England may have won the series but in all honesty looking at the way India have prepared for the tests its no surprise that they are losing here. Alot of you have stated that India are rubbish outside of their own country.Well if thats true then how did they manage to beat West Indies in west indies (granted they arnt good) but even more importantly how did India manage to square off against South afria in SA and same with Australia? To the English fans....i think this series win is all but a flash in the pan. i've seen it many many times before from England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 17:20 GMT

    @ Simon Jessup - Its so funny to hear you claim India to be made as an associate nation based on just one series.... I agree that the performance was purely pathetic, outrageous and utterly disgracing to the standards the team has set for quite some time now.... But asking to remove the test status is even more outrageous.... Hope you guys still didn't forget your players cutting the same "Laughing Stock" figure in front the Aussies with 5-0 whitewash, that too on the only cup that matters for you guys.... Learn to understand that one bad series doesn't make a team ordinary.... Let's see how you guys fare when you come onto the sub continent soon.... And let me also see whose Test Status would be questioned then....

  • POSTED BY slowbouncer on | August 21, 2011, 17:06 GMT

    Guys - take a white man's writing as constructively as possible. There's a job to be done. India needs to find a couple of good bowlers. England doesn't win too often at any sport so let them gloat a while. Zaheer meanwhile needs to get his legs right, and Bhajji his head. And India should be ready for them when they come here.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 16:58 GMT

    Hey Andrew, everybody knows who is the original loughing stock. England lost to India 3 times in last 10 years, 2001, 2007, 2008. That means India won 3 times and lost none. I admit, it will be 3-1 now. Anyone can win at home, but did England win a series in India in last 25 years? Nope. But I congratulate England for winning at leat at home with additional help from South Africa players. For India, it's temporary loss of form due to overplaying.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 16:47 GMT

    India are embarrassing as an international side. The series is so one sided that it must be considered whether or not India deserves full test status. Perhaps they should become an associate nation so far as tests are concerned. I now have no interest in the series. It is like watching the helpless and hapless beaten to within inches of their lives. As for India winning the only cup that matters? Can someone remind me which important trophy that was, I forget.

  • POSTED BY nikkam on | August 21, 2011, 16:42 GMT

    Mr. Miller, with due respect to the heading in the column...the series was lost the day zaheer pulled out due to injury...it was a psychological blow too...in the second game...harbhajan was injured....thus the mountains of runs scored by english batsmen in the last two tests is diluted by the relatively inexperienced indian bowling attack...what is significant in this indian team is that it has remained No.1 due to indivudual brilliance and not due to fitness, bench strength nor a collective team effort...all of which england has and is magnified by the home conditions...suppose if england tour england and lose anderson on the first day...with cook injured...and swann unfit....the english batsmen can be made to look like novices in indian pitches against even local indian spinners....so i think you need to keep your views up till that happens in reality and see who really is the laughing stock....

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 16:30 GMT

    Is this really the same Indian side that performed so doggedly in SA against Steyn and Morkel ? Granted India hasn't been fortunate with injuries, but it is glaringly obvious that India's star studded batting flopped even worse than their bowlers. On a batting friendly track to see such a distinguished line-up struggling to even get past 300 is a disgrace enough. It is a clean bill of testament to England's all round bowling capabilities.. I do remember Ravi Shastri, during the second test, in a drunken stupor iinduced ranting, said England 'have never been bloody No. 1' where cricketing history clearly begs to differ, and the most pathetically passable excuses of world champions aka India goiing down humiliatingly should be remainder of how tenuous their stay always was at the top

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | August 21, 2011, 16:29 GMT

    spa master iv know idea what ur r talking abount of the 4 cricketrs robert key james foster and john crawley were all pretty good cricketers. j f was as good a wicket keeper as u could find and would have been an international in most countries as a northener john crawley was unlucky the aussies who he played against in a tour match as a 20 year old thought him 1 of the best young batters they had seen for a number of years overseas. as to r k i saw him score 200 against the WIs at old trafford a cracking innings and just could not force himself in to the mid 2000 team. and a better lad u could not meet a gentlemen unless he had 1 of his strops on . talk sense spa master instead of out ur a***. dpk

  • POSTED BY pankajkumarsingh on | August 21, 2011, 16:28 GMT

    Fair enough.. India didnt do good in this series and are bound to be critisized. Wondering though, Mr. Miller could only recollect England's 1958-59 disastter when Englang has probably been one of the worst prominent test playing nation (baring the last 3 ys) in past 2 decades. Yes, India did have a bad tour, probably Inda's worst in recent history but to condemn the entire structure is plainly stupid. Blogs and posts from the likes of Mr. Miller are being read only because this very structure brought people back to the ground. This very structure brought viewership back to the game. I dont have a problem with a genuine critic but such posts immidiately give a stink of "how-is-India/BCCI-controlling-world-cricket". Why blame BCCI for this??? Baring Sehwag in the first 2 tests, this was the best side BCCI could pitch. Which other bowler/batsman was going to perform better??? Good team, bad tour due to very bad performance. MOVE ON!!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    I am surprised at the way English press and so-called pundits are quick to point out India are 'on their way down' or 'on their way out' . I am very sure some of these guys like Andrew Miller penned articles about India's descent years back so they can publish it now. Yes, the BCCI in their greed have made cricket a commercial commodity, but spare a thought for the Indian cricket team. They are caught between their bosses , their bodies and hunger to play for India - all 3 of which cannot co-exist together. I AM STILL WELL AND TRULY PROUD OF MY TEAM . To me, they represent what the only professional sport in India is all about.

  • POSTED BY PrajithR on | August 21, 2011, 16:02 GMT

    Wow! Any article written about India(+ve or -ve) by Englishmen reaches three conclusions 1) India controls 70% of cricket revenue (and growing) 2) India has IPL 3) India can stand on its own in ICC The above article is no different from those. India is losing the series because England has a good side (their best in 20 years) suited to pacy pitches- which incidently also thrashed Australia 3-1 in Australia. To blame it on BCCI it is way excessive. This is the only poor series played by India in past 3 years(unlike all other 9 test nations). If raina and yuvraj failed, then we will oppurtunity to Rohit Sharma, Badrinath, Manish Pandey and Pujara. If Mishra has failed then we will give oppurtunity to Ashwin and Rahul Sharma. These things happen in every team. India will always be able to feild a competetive team in subcontinental conditions. How can you say India is a laughing stock? Let us see how England will fare in subcontinent. India will certainly rise above the current situation

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 15:52 GMT

    Miller is 100% correct here. India is just a joke outside their own country and the track record supports the argument. Tendulkar, Dravid and a few other experienced one's are ageing and India just can't rely on them anymore. Bowling has always been the worst in India and am surprised they still haven't done anything about it. It's time for India to accept the fact that only a world-class bowling attack like Ozzie, Paki, SA or English will get them to higher ranks and if they fail to replace the experienced players then it's all over for India. A lot of fans out there are pointing to the world cup glory. There is a difference between earning something and buying it outright. And this series has indeed shown all the cracks in the indian line-up.

  • POSTED BY CricIndia208 on | August 21, 2011, 15:40 GMT

    INDIA ARE THE WORLD CUP WINNERS, THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS.

  • POSTED BY CricFan78 on | August 21, 2011, 15:32 GMT

    SirLen - " The English only care for test matches " ..... couple of years back when your team was laughing stock you only cared about Ashes !

  • POSTED BY Spuddinho on | August 21, 2011, 15:32 GMT

    @ Manjot Pelia - so you don't understand why England are so thrilled about the No.1 tag...? Probably for the same reason that Indian fans on this site belittled England's achievements down under last winter - as I recall the general consensus from India was that the Ashes wasn't worth squat as it didn't involve the world's top-ranked team and that England's victory was a hollow one and India would put them in their place this summer. Well, you certainly did that! ------------------------------------------- @Nilshils - Yes, we do claim to be the no.1 ranked side - and the stats back it up. You think the series was only won because we faced a 'depleted' side in the first two tests. So, what's happened since the last two tests? If anything your revamped side has performed even worse than your so-called depleted one!

  • POSTED BY blondblackberry on | August 21, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    come on man these comments r there even in worldcup that india can't win worldcup in this century & they don't hav bowlers,batsmen &that southafrica,england wil just bounce things out do magic this and that.for all those what happened, england & southafrica flew back home before newzealand.india won it in their home which is a world record.even in 2003 world cup same talk araised they won t20 who knows india may win inaugural test championship in england that timeless test.cricket is a funny game isn't

  • POSTED BY vichan on | August 21, 2011, 15:24 GMT

    @Spa-Master "Yeah, we are laughing stock, but not even close to what England was 7 years back": You're right there - the comparison is ridiculous! Because 7 years ago England were winning 7 wins in 7 Tests at home, and then following this up with a Test series victory in South Africa (something India has NEVER done)...

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 15:22 GMT

    I think this is a bit one sided. How can a team that under this captain has won the T20 world cup, ODI world cup and got to number 1 be called a laughing stock for one series loss? That too against a country that hasn't won in India themselves since 1984, whilst atleast India won here in 2007. They have been out of form, tired from IPL and missing key players. Harbhajan would have loved this wicket, so would Zaheer and a fully fit Gambhir or a Sehwag thats had match practice. Lets not forget awful decisions by Duncan Fletcher for picking Raina infront of Kohli and RP infront of Munaf. India don't have much to worry about - give them 1 year and they'll be right up there still.

    England and commentators like Miller have become over-excited at Englands No1 spot which means nothing, they have no trophy and haven't won any championship until they can do the same and beat India in India which they haven't for 25+ years.

  • POSTED BY demon_bowler on | August 21, 2011, 15:20 GMT

    Well played, Rahul Dravid. Second time he's scored three centuries in a series in England. Rest of Indian team -- hey, thanks for coming.

  • POSTED BY Munkeymomo on | August 21, 2011, 15:15 GMT

    @deconstruct that seems to be the general attitude of Indian fans to be honest. Before the series they were trashing England saying they would be destroyed and after a humbling they are trashing England saying they will be destroyed soon. So many bitter comments about ODI cricket. Nobody has claimed England are good at ODI cricket, only test cricket. I no longer care about being an 'insufferable pom' to quote a previous commenter, because at least I am an insufferable pom who can enjoy watching his team play well in the form of the game I enjoy more than any, test cricket. At least Aussie fans are a bit more graceful in defeat, rather than living in bitter denial, even if they are insufferable when they are on top, and rightly so.

  • POSTED BY sirishkr on | August 21, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    I'd like to see Andrew Miller eat humble crow after seeing India save this match. As an Indian, I am disappointed by my team's performance in this series; but also think we lost to a really good team that is in amazing form in conditions that suit their game. Andrew Miller - let's see what trash you have to dish out at the end of this game.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 15:03 GMT

    We were some kind of champions I think some time back? Or Maybe I was having a dream !! This is even worse than the summer of"42" ('74 tour ) !!!! India have always been hounded by English Seamers since time in memorial beginning with Sir Alec Bedser & co , Fred Trueman through to John price ,Snow, Arnold, Willis , Chris old, Mike Hendrick . Ian Botham . Somehow something went wrong in between or is it Indians countered seamers better beginning with advent of Sourav & Dravid in the '95 series ? I think the quality of English seamers astute leadership capabilities of people like Sir Len hutton , Ray Illingworth , Mike Brearly was lost for quite sometime and brought back by Michael Vaughn & then lost again & resurgence now through Strauss !!! The english ways of hounding our batsmen is akin to Christopher Lee as Prince DRACULA who would hound its victims and then suck out their blood !!! Alas the HOLY Cross could ward of the devil ( Our Ganapati could not save India from Asura!

  • POSTED BY Adeel9 on | August 21, 2011, 14:57 GMT

    Ques: "Do the BCCI have the same desire?" Ans: Champions League ad campaign explains all

  • POSTED BY WTEH on | August 21, 2011, 14:55 GMT

    Loss of 4-0 is inevitable. The question is, whether it is going to be an innings lost or whether India can put England to bat again, at least for 20 - 30 runs. The way Shewag flashes it looks like it is going to end pretty soon.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 14:47 GMT

    I guess non-Indian writers are having a ball thrashing team India. Dear England fans and writers how many world cup trophies do you have??? But truth is that they cannot stand the fact that Indian cricket board is powerful and have more revenue than any other cricket boards. Indian cricket team has performed badly. Even though IPL has contributed that does not excuse the pathetic performance. One good series and everyone is praising English county system and what not!!! I can understand if they continue winning say for about 1 year or more continuously and then start advising others.

  • POSTED BY shakkw on | August 21, 2011, 14:00 GMT

    Gentlemen, History books will read "this was one of the worst ever performance by so called worst ever no.1 team. No guts, no spirit, no talent, no heart and no respect to opposition. Indian arrogance had come to haunt them"

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 13:56 GMT

    everything happening for good only for Indians...its time to take a re look in to building a strong youthful team, with due respect to seniors like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman. We need to tame youngsters like Rohit, Jadeja, Mukund et al. I don't mind this series lose at england. hope my Team India comes back hard on English in ODIs, and shut the mouths of so called cricket analysts.

  • POSTED BY kapsy on | August 21, 2011, 13:55 GMT

    i live in australia but i'm an indian cricket fan and i will always be no matter what. we won the 20twenty world cup, one day world cup & took the no.1 spot with a very mediocre bowling attack. our batting didn't click and england trashed us. just because we have been annhilated by england doesn't mean that true indian fans will desert their team. team india will be back. it's a matter of time. until then, let those insuferable poms gloat.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 13:51 GMT

    not sure why England is so thrilled about this No. 1 tag. Everyday you see someone like Miller(who is a unknown entity) saying something to glorify England team and thrash India. Everyone knows that England is benefitting from the performance of expact Southa African cricketers. England has not won in sub continent .They are pedestrian side when they tour. I won't be surprised if they are down from No.1 in next 2-3 months.

  • POSTED BY KingOwl on | August 21, 2011, 13:31 GMT

    Media is great at creating hype. This is just one more. India was never a real #1 - but nor is England. The top few teams are all bunched together and they win when the conditions suit them and they lose, otherwise. That's the simple fact. So, while India has been kind of spineless (SL gave a good fight in alien conditions just a couple of months ago), England is no superman! They too will bite the dust next time they travel to SL and India - I have no doubt.

  • POSTED BY Nishils on | August 21, 2011, 13:26 GMT

    Are you trying to say that one bad series have made India one of the worst teams in world cricket??Are you trying to tell us that England will retain this crown for long enough?Do u claim that a HOME series win makes them No.1 when they played the first two matches against a half depleted Indian side??Do you think they are capable to beat Lanka and India when they tour??I sincerely think you are making these predictions too early....

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 13:25 GMT

    Let the time come, England hasnt proved themselves in the subcontinent, you cannot compare Australia with England. Its is just their peak period. Lets see how long they will sit on this No 1 position. England is not no. 1 in real sense, they havent won a world cup yet, they heavily rely on south african players.... they do not deserve to be no.q

  • POSTED BY deconstruct on | August 21, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    Despite being a Pakistani and, therefore, a firm supporter of Pakistan cricket, I always regarded myself as a cricket lover with balanced views. If anything, I admired - initially, at least - the admirable progress made by Indian cricket in recent times. However, after Indian cricket hit a high and Pakistan cricket degenerated almost to an all-time low, what was really distasteful was the attitude on display by most of the Indian fans and their media. When you're No. 1, you should behave with a touch of grace instead of being arrogant and stooping so low as to ridicule opponents verbally. Nothing exemplified this better than the tirade launched against the Pakistan team before the world cup semi-final, with even someone as (apparently) sensible as Ravi Shastri, calling the Pakistan team a Rickshaw and the Indian team a Cadillac! Well, Mr. Shastri, where's your Cadillac now? Standing on four flats it seems! Hope this series has taught you a lesson in humility - or maybe not!

  • POSTED BY demon_bowler on | August 21, 2011, 13:16 GMT

    Perhaps India should voluntary withdraw from test matches for a while, like Zimbabwe did. They could rename the IPL 'World No.1 Most Important Competition' and polish their 50-overs handicap cricket cup.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    perhaps this series is a blessing in disguise for Indian cricket team to look back and work on their negatives, it's hard to see an indian test team when the likes of dravid,laxman and tendulkar hung up their shoes. India has a lot of potential but they are too busy basking in the glory of t20 and WC victories.I don't think BCCI gives a shit about indian cricket team, all they care about is money and the easiest way is through t20's and odi's ....every once in a while things like this happen and people start crying about it..... being said that one good performance will shut everyone's mouth........

  • POSTED BY VincentSunder on | August 21, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    Mr Miller, do check the score cards of the 1957 tour of West Indies to England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 13:07 GMT

    Come back to India guys, we will show our attitude.... Indians will be stronger...

  • POSTED BY muniANDY on | August 21, 2011, 13:00 GMT

    It's about time India(BCCI) introduces radical changes to the game. Treat Cricket like the Americans handle football. The IPL is almost like the NFL today. Promote it even more, make it what the game of cricket is about, then we could possibly make it attractive to a larger world audience. That is what would expand the game of cricket to a larger audience and make it a world sport. The ECB or any other board for that matter do not have the money or muscle to pull off something like that.

    As for the grandpa format of cricket , test format I mean, Let the superior english team and their ECB duke it out for world supremacy in that format. They will make it a world sport and make it attractive to players like they have been doing so well in the past 75 years !!!

  • POSTED BY Karthik_CricketFan on | August 21, 2011, 12:56 GMT

    Blame the IPL.. It has made the players very tired and without rest and proper concentration, now they are at the receiving end.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    let's be honest. India was never a good cricketing nation. It's bowling and fielding dept is below par. Without a good bowling lineup no team can aspire to be #1. We were quite lucky in reaching the number #1 spot and also win the WC. most of the matches were played in the sub continent and scoring runs was easy.It's time to revamp BCCI and the team. You have corrupt politicians who never played cricket running the highest cricketing body. And with due respect to the seniors it's time to replace them.Not becoz of their form , but atleast start the process now.

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | August 21, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    very good piece andrew im surprised by u not normally, so deep and cutting, and a piece that if posted by a punter on here would not be allowed to be posted. i could not agree with u more. the bcci have ridden rough shod over all the icc members.they need to go back home and if its test match cricket that they want the most its in their own hands. get their house in order remove the older players ( even dravid ) let fletcher do the job u selected him for unless u picked him as an escape goat. spend the greater part of ipl on improving the game of younger guys playing 3/4day cricket with him having more say.( the so called ipl would be nothing if not for the overseas players) it will take 5 years min, but the have the # find the quality. guys prepared to bowl fast and bat for their lives. and the most important, improve your wickets, with bounce and pace and and as god meant grass to be on the top earth u then get good cricket wickets. suits all. dpk

  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | August 21, 2011, 12:41 GMT

    The sad part Mr Miller is that cricket is a big product in India because India have been playing well for some years.20/20 had never been played in India but India won the 2007 World Cup. So 20/20 became a household interest. This apart India have been performing above expectations in Tests from 2001. In 2004 when Australia was near invincible it was only India that gave them a true fright of losing their position. Indian interest in Tests got revived. They became No 1 because other top teams played worse than India. The point is that if India loses the plot in Tests, I am sure it will affect viewer interest. If that happens, this long long wait by England --the people who invented this game-- to become No 1 may not be too rewarding in monetary terms.India is where the money is. If a Test match tournament is held in India it will be a major success without a doubt.Then seam and bounce will not matter. But then you can well understand what the chances of the others will be.

  • POSTED BY adis26 on | August 21, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    This is EMBARASSING. Make no doubt about it. We Indian are still unable to understand what the hell happened but we back our team 100% and sometimes situations like these are needed to come back strong in the game. We have the talent and all this will do is give that essential kick in the back, bring back the down to earth attitude which we have seemed to have lost especially after the WC win and come back STRONG. Very strong.

  • POSTED BY slowbouncer on | August 21, 2011, 12:37 GMT

    I think Miller's plea (am reading it as that, whatever be its intentions) WILL be heard by the supreme power, but not before something else happens. India will have to go thru a wash at home, whatever colour. The current loss will be easily explained with a 'lack of preparations' excuse. The difference between that and lack of quality will only become apparent to these jokers with an emphatic home loss. As an Indian, I am not wishing it, but sadly that is what it will take.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:33 GMT

    It never pays to get cocky in cricket or in life. What goes around comes around. I'm already planning to be at Edgbaston next summer - England v SA, Dale Steyn v Pietersen and Trott. I use the term 'England' advisedly, of course, as it's really an International XI (or is it South Africa B)!!

  • POSTED BY maddy20 on | August 21, 2011, 12:32 GMT

    Looks like the English media is going from dis-respectful to arrogant. Did you forget that not long ago you were whitewashed 5-0 in Aus and 2-0 in India? Every great team has a lean patch but the Poms don't know it coz they are not a great team, they never won a WC and this probably the first time they made it to no.1 with a Psuedo South African, Irish, Indian team(United nations team in short) and they get cocky! This is nothing sort of Childish!

  • POSTED BY milepost on | August 21, 2011, 12:28 GMT

    To CricIndia208. You sorely misjudge the ICC's dependence on the BCCI and looking at the current India teams performance they are far from the best team in the world at the moment. Furthermore, the ashes packs stadiums in Australia and England as well as fantastic TV ratings and it doesn't matter a hoot what the BCCi does. Stop with this BCCI power tripping, fans of the game will turn up at their local grounds to watch cricket, the game belongs to the fans, not the administrating bodies. Being based in London at the moment, seeing India perform so dismally is a damn shame we were excited about the 1 vs 2 billing but who wants such a one sided contest. I'm Australian but I still think the 2005 ashes was enthralling and fabulous to be a part of.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:28 GMT

    I think Duncan Fletcher is already another Greg Chappell for us. As has been the case of the latter, who had apparently taken up the coach job to ensure that India does not topple Australia from their no.1 spot, Fletcher's objective seems to be to ensure that India stand no chance against England. I do not understand why we need a foreign coach, when we have Kapil Dev, Vengasarkar, Gavaskar, Mohinder & many others,and that too one who has not have any experience of Test Cricket and has played only 6 ODIs, these too from Zimbabwe. The lame excuses he is giving are absolutely pitiable. BCCI must wake up early and get rid of this gentleman. Or here also it is the case of lowest bidder as in Tenders floated?

  • POSTED BY Master01 on | August 21, 2011, 12:23 GMT

    Considering most of you english fans have only been watching cricket since 2005, i wouldnt expect you to undersstand. The way you've behaved after being number 1 for 1 week, you're comedown will be all the more sweet. Wait till you come to the subcontinent, then we;l see how your great bowling attack who cant bowl on flat pitches do.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:22 GMT

    My dear fellow Indians, when it comes to India let me tell you something everyone, I mean everyone feels the pinch to see them doing so well and coming on top of the world. Firstly beacuse Indian Cricket Board has enough money that they can buy any Board in the World. Secondly we Indian players play for PRIDE. Since MS has been heading the reins of captaincy, let the meek tell us how many white washes have India faced........does dear England forget when they came to India 2 years back they were white washed and sent back to learn the basics of cricket. At that time none made these statements of English being a Laughing Stock, they tried so hard yet could not wonder what came and hit them............my stats are just for the heck of it. If India ever will become a LS it will be the end of cricket era, why because then the legends of cricket will have to come and start playing again. With India it is always NEVER SAY NEVER DIE. Wait and see the one days when India will massacre them.

  • POSTED BY Jaga2011 on | August 21, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Andrew miller, another typical media vulture who does not know how to cook but jumps out of the woodwork with the knives when he smells dead meat around.

    Where were your concerns for the BCCI maladministration when india were winning as recently as couple of months back? Point I am making is - you people judge too quickly from bad results and try to look smart by just trying to connect some dots.

    By no means am I saying that the BCCI setup is great. But it's the same setup that has produced good results for more than a couple of years. So I dont think it's as ridiculous as it's made out to be.

    Be very cautious before you use words like "lauging stock" and try to show some consideration for the people you write about. These players are by and large honorable people and this is Dhoni's FIRST test series loss as Skipper ever. No team can win ALL the time and the same goes for England.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Go ahead , guy!!! you have the opportunity to go against this team.... do not worry!!! this is a 'PHASE' and even this will pass off!!! there will be a pay back time.... count your days as No.1. we were there.. and we shall be there again!!! We shall laugh too.... and when we laugh.. we make sure ... YOU CRY!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:17 GMT

    Summary of Indian defeat is bad batting as bowling without Zak was never good and test match squad has no fielding talent either. Main reason is batting only and partially due to injury and partially due to failures. But its very ironic to see English media and past players are jumping up and down and landing in overconfident mode. There are many recent past poor performances of this team outside the England. It will be interesting to see how they perform in Subcontinent and SA. Else great performance by South Africa A-English combo here. BCCI should learn the trick and start allowing Lankan and Pakistani nationals to play for India ;)

  • POSTED BY Cric_info_pak on | August 21, 2011, 12:16 GMT

    money champion tht's wht india is all about , any how the way india play remind bangladesh in england ..... only different poor bangla don't have money other wise they can win 2011 world cup the way india win

  • POSTED BY indianpunter on | August 21, 2011, 12:09 GMT

    Tendulkar has been the holy cow of indian cricket for far too long. He choses when to have family time, about what tours to miss and cherry picks what matches he wants to play. This isnt good enough. He should have put his hand up as the situation was dire. I am more concerned about our "tough nut" cricketer though. ie Gautam Gambhir..Mike Holding and Shane warne dint mince any words when they said that he should have played the 2nd test rather than give it a miss due to an elbow sprain. He is again playing the princess due to the "concussion" sustained while dropping a catch. Personally i feel that this is all a facade to his abject performance in the field. Let it not miss anyone's attention that he played on in IPL with an injury, thereby missing the WI tour. and how will we reward him? by anointing him future captain, of course....

  • POSTED BY MeraBharatMahaan on | August 21, 2011, 12:07 GMT

    Why does Sachin always hide behind in 4th position while real greats like Dravid and Laxman are forced to bat ahead him or open? Why??? Please tell me why?? It doesn't seem like our great Sachin can play good fast bowlers well. How can we call such a batsman great? Please pubish my article on our great sachin: http://blog.yahoo.com/_YC2PEQ34OS7WNX4ARD2QMHSFCQ/articles/117004

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 12:05 GMT

    Laughing stock? Yes. But not becasue of their cricketers, some of whom are all time greats. It's becaues of their shortsighted and greedy board and their emotional and often ignorant fans. The hype generated by some of the journalists also contribute humour value. The number one spot is a difficult crown to wear in cricket with its glorious uncertainties but this has been such a mauling that chance alone cannot be the cause. Many of us saw this coming as a consequence of BCCI's constant, blatant bullying and surprisingly imature postering that focus and purpose was very easily lost. Some higher authority needs to overhaul the board which is decidedly non sporting too political and unhealthily business oriented. The Indian journalists have had a reality check and quietened down to mutter some muted logic. And the fans especially those who contribute garbage here cannot be stopped. It's their damned right to hold the world cup aloft when we are talking test cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 11:58 GMT

    21 months guys ... 21 months ... and then we will revisit this. I, a loyal India fan, will readily surrender the No 1 spot to England, and with it some bragging rights ... the former is most deserved, the latter not so much as it is being used ... In 21 months, I will bow to England if they remain No. 1. My bet, they will last there about a year ... Unlike the Windies of 80s and Aussies of 90s, none of these teams have that kind of domination, so the No. 1 spot is going to be tossing around. As for this series, poor show by India but really a great team effort and lovely performances by a determined England. I am glad there is one more international team back on top, great for world cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 11:56 GMT

    @cricindia208...stop giving indian fans a bad name...this is not school cricket where you lose and then decide to go home with your bat so nobody else can play. England are the stronger team in series and no amount of excuses will change that. India have an ageing line-up that they need to revamp. This is a good opportunity to do just that. Whether England win or lose in India and SL, that does not hide the fact that the Indian team has glaring weaknesses that it needs to remedy.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | August 21, 2011, 11:53 GMT

    I do think that the situation is ironic. There is blame on the IPL but Ind are a poor t-20 side n have been shortly after their first n only title. Some r right, the irony is that many Ind's kept talking up their #1 rank when they had it and NO #1 team should be smashed like this, no matter what.

  • POSTED BY droppedcatch on | August 21, 2011, 11:40 GMT

    What goes up will come down. Just ask the once mighty WI and the long lasting Aussies. The English media and long suffered fans will make the most of that (No 1) tag, but not for long as there is a dirth of talent to help them cruise. (Unless there are more South African talent with British grand parents!) The end is nigh. The fat lady is putting on her make-up...

  • POSTED BY whiskey_dosa on | August 21, 2011, 11:40 GMT

    Toshiba Dulkar went to England 1 month before the Tests matches to practice. He spent a lot of time batting against Monty. He must be really surprised that England have fast bowlers too. Not to worry, the T20 Champions League will start soon. Thats where the moolah is. Right Sunny?

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 11:35 GMT

    just as england were the laughing stocks when they were regularly being ripped apart by the aussies or when the indians white wash them in india.. :-)

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 11:33 GMT

    indian fans...u got it wrong,,,dont say when england team got crushed from other teams why this people didnt call england team a laughing stock????where is ur sense people,,,"BCOZ ENGLISH TEAM WAS NOT IN NO 1 IN RANKING"...isnt that obvious people expect ATLEAST a fighting attitude from SO CALLED NO 1 TEST TEAM"most of indian fans so stupid even not to understand this simple thing..so after my comment any1 wants to argue with these people???i dont think sooo...save ur time guys...

  • POSTED BY ProudPom on | August 21, 2011, 11:26 GMT

    It seems that many of the Indian supporters below have failed to understand what Mr Miller has said. He is not attacking the Indian team per se but the BCCI who have let down the Indian team and their loyal supporters. As an English supporter I have been disappointed by the cricket this summer and not enjoyed the Indian team's capitulation. What I see is a team on the up (England) defeating and ill prepared and tired team. That is not England's fault, it is the BCCI's. If the BCCI started focussing on cricket instead of money then India have a chance in all conditions. England defeated Australia in Australia (something India has not yet done) because the ECB allowed for proper preparation and put its resources behind a properly prepared campaign. The BCCI by contrast treated the series with England with contempt - the money of the IPL was more important to it. Sadly, what I see in Indian Cricket is what has happened in English football - money and club before country - in that order.

  • POSTED BY shovwar on | August 21, 2011, 11:25 GMT

    Now when India is losing in Test cricket an Indian fan (sweetspot) is declaring "this is the beginning of the end of test cricket". Is cricket is all about India?..Come on dude Test Cricket is the pinnacle of professional cricket. This is where a team's real strenght, stamina and depth lies. For instance Bangladesh can beat India in a ODI but can they do the same in Test? India won the WC and thats it!!! No more test cricket? Anything can happen in a One Day game. Please dont mock yourself and the Indian fans. Have faith in your team. If you think Test cricket is over try to watch other teams play, for instance SA vs Aus the coming series...You would know what Test cricket is all about and it has nothing to do with ODI or WC.

  • POSTED BY CricIndia208 on | August 21, 2011, 11:19 GMT

    Andrew, stop writing rubbish. INDIA ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD. The results of this inconsequential series does not matter. INDIA HAVE WON THE WORLD CUP. INDIA HAVE KNOCKED OUT PAKISTAN SEVEN TIMES FROM WORLD CUP EVENTS. So maybe you should give up cricket journalism and take up something like rugby. If these insults do not stop now, we (fans) will petition the BCCI to pull out of the ICC. Remember, INDIA DOES NOT NEED THE ICC BUT ICC NEEDS INDIA. Without BCCI money you will not be able to watch your precious ashes contest. So show some respect.

  • POSTED BY Humdingers on | August 21, 2011, 11:11 GMT

    Well said A.Miller. For me, I can't see the BCCI changing it's spots anytime soon. They will have to learn the hard way. There is something definitely not quite right in the Indian dressing room. Ok, so they didn't get enough of a warm up at the start of the series. But what's their excuse now? They have played 3 tests and 2 warm up games! You would think a top level team would be acclimatised by now right? There is something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Shades of the Greg Chappel era all over again.

  • POSTED BY testcricketisdying on | August 21, 2011, 11:07 GMT

    The most terrible aspect of this series is not that India is losing. I think all Indian supporters will agree that this was a possibility. What is galling is the lack of contest. Except for a few sessions at the start of the series, it has not looked like a serious contest. Nasser Hussain was absolutely right this morning on SKY when he said that it only feels like a test match when England bowl. When India bowl, it feels like a county game. What it boils down to is that the team seems to have no fight left it in at all. Why did this team which fought tooth and nail in South Africa on hard, bouncy pitches against Steyn & co not want to put up a fight against England? Is it that the team is too tired because of too much cricket being played since the WC? IPL, immediately followed by the West Indies series? Why did the team not play more cricket against county teams before going into the tests? India are not a great side but even Sri Lanka managed to draw two tests against England!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 11:06 GMT

    Next time England lose convincingly (which is going to be sooner than later) , they are going to be ripped apart by Indian journalists surely

  • POSTED BY DukeJeyaraj on | August 21, 2011, 11:03 GMT

    Laughing stock? India! You got to be kidding me! Come on! One bad series will not make India a laughing stock! India's loss to England is like how the visiting teams regularly lose when they come to India. Don't read too much into it. Also, two of the finest next-gen Test Batsmen, Batsmen who will succeed the likes of Sachin, Rahul and VVS, are not playing in this series. I am referring to Cheteshwar Pujara and Rohit Sharma. Wait till they arrrive.

  • POSTED BY grameshk on | August 21, 2011, 10:55 GMT

    There is absolutely no doubt that the IPL is the cause of India's downfall. Indian cricketers are assured of astronomical income no matter how they play for India in international matches. They have made enough money for a lifetime and have no motivation to perform. Money has spoiled them. National pride is a middle class feeling and these bunch of cricketers are not middle class - more over they are assured of a place in one of the 10 IPL teams even if they never get to be in the Indian team - thus they are assured of steady income in millions of rupees well into their forties and even a loyal fan base.

  • POSTED BY Herath-UK on | August 21, 2011, 10:32 GMT

    How right Andrew you are ,India has become the laughing stock especially because of their tag they came with as the world No.one team but offered no contest whatsoever.This is simply injustice to the early touring team,Sri Lanka who was complaining of dismal weather and seaming bowling conditions but managed to give a better contest;we saw a marvellous 190 odd from Dilshan and later similar innings from Sanga and they posted scores over 300 against Tremlett (who is the most attacking with Anderson) & com etc and wonder ECB should give Sri Lanka next tour in late summer which they aptly deserve now without a doubt. Ranil Herath - Kent

  • POSTED BY seminoma on | August 21, 2011, 10:32 GMT

    England is winning after a longtime..u played well..but there is no need to deride the other team ..have u won a World Cup even once buddy..this Indian team was tired and had injury troubles that made it easy for you..they've been doing well for the past 2 years..only time will tell how good this England team is.. let's not forget you got beaten by Ireland and Bangladesh not too long ago..so don't get carried away

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:31 GMT

    Its not T20 and IPL to blame for the current series debacle...Its the Selection of the team and the trust a Captain puts in his playing XI....Here clearly Dhoni has faulted in not giving Munaf Patel a chance and playing RPS....Everyone including Gavaskar commented that Munaf is not capable of taking wickets, only in containing the batsmen. Did he forget that if you can contain a Batsman you make an opportunity for the other bowlers to take wickets.All through out this series only one bowler at a time has been able bowl well, it was either Praveen Kumar or Ishant Sharma. Sreesanth has been lordly in his bowling and giving away 8-15 runs when the other bowlers are bowling well and allow the batsmen to play freely. The team needs a Motivator who can can motivate these bowlers to perform well under pressure and not scowl when batsmen score off you when you bowl badly...These players have been losing confidence as the series progressed and the Sehwag's failure has added to this.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:27 GMT

    England also vanquished India 3-1 in India back in 1977.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:24 GMT

    sunnymate, do your research. England won a five-Test series against India 2-1 in 1984.

  • POSTED BY DazTaylor on | August 21, 2011, 10:22 GMT

    @Sunnymate. Firstly, the caps lock button is located next to the letter A. I suggest you stop using it. Secongly, England only good at home? Of course, 8 series wins in 9 including away from home proves you are talking nonsense. Thirdly, "When did England win in India or SL, never ever." Dear oh dear. Won in both contries quite a few times actually. Fourthly, England do not need to win in Inida to be number 1. This is a flawed argument by Indian fans because, let me ask you, when have you won in Australia in a Test Series? I say test matches because ODI is a completely different game. Now, please run along.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:19 GMT

    @X...I do not accept any of the excuses the Indian fans gave...India are truly on the decline in test cricket...but to say that BCCI paid off the other teams for the WC win, do you mean to say that the BCCI ran out of money to pay the ECB for this test series or do you mean to say only PCB and SLC accept money while ECB is proof to its charms?

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:16 GMT

    come on guys...lets give one chance to English team fans...lets allow them to celebrate..how can we be so harsh, we have to allow them to celebrate their win at least in their home soil :) lets see two series champions performance in the coming series

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:14 GMT

    When India won the world cup, people were like 'India got it because of their home conditions and all... doesnt deserves it' and blah blah blah.....!! well now when the England is winning, all are like 'England are playin like world champions'....!! If England got the guts then win a series in India or Sri Lanka or Pakistan....!! when last time England visited India... England were 4-0 down in ODIs when the series called off due to the attacks... ! Don't go cloud nine England...! Just because you are gonna win this 3-0(this test will end up in a draw) doesnt mean you are gonna stay there at the top for long... ! haha ! such a joke these people are ..! only show up when they are winning ! and don't you dare comparing Dravid and Sachin.. both are living legends ! Just because Sachin has a strong fan base in India doesnt mean they dont like Dravid...! they respect both ! So shut up you jealous ppl ! Btw Keep blabbering ! Its funny seeing some English couch potatos talking about cricket !

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 10:10 GMT

    The basic problem is that Indian cricket is run by a bunch of politicians (even the ICC is now theirs - be very afraid). This debacle will be forgotten in a hurry and fairly soon the media and the duped public will start focusing on meaningless performances on dusty, bald, lifeless pitches against sub-standard opposition and on meaningless performances in ODIs and T20s which no one remembers even two days later. This team is not as bad as it has looked on this tour. This same team went to South Africa earlier this year and levelled a series there against an attack that included Steyn (England are good but none of the top England bowlers are anywhere near as good as Steyn yet). This debacle comes down to the management of the team by the BCCI and the way that it chooses to run the game. The primary responsibility lies with them. But who will dislodge the people currently running it?

  • POSTED BY sweetspot on | August 21, 2011, 10:07 GMT

    As an Indian cricket fan, I really could not care less about this series. Sure, it would have been nice to win, but our cricketers have provided so much fun over the years and given us so many memorable wins, that I don't really grudge them for losing once in a while. They cannot suddenly become laughing stock! My memory is certainly not that short. How long ago was it that England lost to Ireland and Anderson went for 91 in 10 overs against Bangladesh? Around that time, India won the World Cup. So what? Did England become laughing stock? Kudos to England for playing great cricket against a beleaguered Indian team, but what's all this heckling the Indian team about? Maybe this is the beginning of the end of Test cricket. Who knows? I'm looking forward to the Champions League.

  • POSTED BY SirLen on | August 21, 2011, 10:01 GMT

    Why do Indians bang on about ODIs and the fact they are world champions? It is a non-argument. The English only care for test matches, the true form of the game and undoubtedly the form that sorts the wheat from the chaff. We could win the ODIs 5-0 and it will barely raise a ripple here. And we don't need to win in SA or the subcontinent to be number 1. We ARE number 1 based on the ICC criteria, the same criteria that you didn't belittle when you were number 1. Swallow those sour grapes and deal with it, there is a new world order and it will be around for a few years yet.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:59 GMT

    the author is too harsh in his statement. Every team undergoes this sort of situation. now its India's turn, its true they have been beaten red and blue by formidable(any how its their home) English side.Is it also not a joke that the founders of cricket could never lift ODI world cup ?

  • POSTED BY BoonBoom on | August 21, 2011, 9:59 GMT

    Delighted to see this article from Mr Miller. Indians are truly a laughing stock of cricketing world. Whatever they achieved during the last three years or so (like top ranking in Test, winning WC, IPL, CL etc.) is all due to having large consumer market and thereby huge financial power. Else, they dont have any calibre or strength except being masters at ridiculing Pakistan and geting that country islotaed from ICC. India is a country of over 1 bilion people yet not able to produce a single fast bowler who can ball at least at 85 mph consistently. If RP Singh is their opening bowler then one can really imagine the lack of talent in India!! The team either playa for money or for personal records. Unfortunately the team is also involved in all possible corrupt practice but again due to their financial position all the corruption is hidden under the carpet. I am glad to see India disintegrating is such a clumsy manner. Good job by Englishmen!!! Make it 5-0 in ODI as well.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:59 GMT

    It's only natural that SOME Indian fans would try to demean England's victory. It's called "being a sore loser." Every nation has its fair share of them. I don't really think any comment is required other than that. It's apparant to any serious cricket fan on either side that India have beaten by the vastly superior team here, and no amount of "WE'D HAVE WON IF WE'D HAD X" will take the shine off what has been, for me, a really wonderful display of all-round cricketing from the England team, and it's made me very happy indeed, even if the series itself has been a bit of a damp squib.

    To the rest of you more sporting and intelligent Indian fans: thankyou for your words of support and encouragement, and I look forward to seeing what will hopefully be a much closer contest when England visit India :).

  • POSTED BY MaruthuDelft on | August 21, 2011, 9:58 GMT

    Whatever it is Indian fans don't have strength to accept verdicts and truths. How cane we compare overseas performances of India with England. England is far far superior. Can we imagine India ever playing like England did this winter down under? No way. We just don't have the physical capabilities to match Oz, SA, Eng and Wnds. We definitely have to eat Beef big time to improve.

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | August 21, 2011, 9:55 GMT

    oh please can we play this team every day.Next time we should get India as the warm up before Bangladesh.At least they put some effort into their tour.Shakib is better than anyone from this Indian team except Dravid.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:53 GMT

    Dear Indian Fans....its time to be honest to urselves......Few significant moments dont make someone a champion or NO. 1 for that matter.....its all about consistancy, resilience and fighting spirit...if going down, then go with honour and fight.........Everyone saw that there was absolute no gesture or fight or statement from former NO. 1 team during this series.....infact, they were outclassed by England....Now call it tiredness, or lack of warm up games, or injuries or whatever...the fact is u lost and without a fight.........If u wana blame someone, blame ur own board....and players to some extent...Realize the fact that u lost the series badly and try working out for better results in the future....

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:50 GMT

    It doesn't really make sense of those who simply criticize Indian fans or BCCI in particular for the under performance of Indian team. It is utterly rubbish to criticize players based on a single series bad performance but to take stock/action based on their form & fitness. A true sports loving fan will always support the good performance irrespective of any nationality (be it England, Pakistan). As an Indian, I fully appreciate England's exceptional all-round performance and they really deserve their due credit at the moment. Their current magnificent bowling and equally complimenting batting is amazing. Now it is the responsibility of BCCI to introspect to address the collective failure and take immediate counter-measures. As a cricket loving fans, we expect good fight from the teams which makes cricket much exciting!

  • POSTED BY Nightwing32 on | August 21, 2011, 9:46 GMT

    The thing is that England is crushing India but India hasn't put up a fight. Heck at least we put on more of a fight against England in the Ashes but they were just too good and we made too many rash selection options.

    India needs an innings from Dhoni to make England bat again. I repeat for all those that said Raina should be dropped should think about this. You have a player who can bat well but needs more time out in the middle, a good fielder and a great bowling option who can take wickets. That type of player should be kept and harnessed. The problem is simply Tendulkar, Laxman, Sehwag, Harbhajan and yes even Dravid (even though he is doing well). After Australia if you lose then you guys have to rebuild because this isn't pretty to watch, it is beautiful.

  • POSTED BY tlverma on | August 21, 2011, 9:44 GMT

    Most significant change in the Indian team structure during the year has been that of the COACH. The " CREDIT " of fall from glory to the present " FLOP SHOW " is largely or say wholly on account of the departure of one and only one KIRSTEN and his replacement by FLETCHER. Perhaps the tricks of the game as taught by Fletcher to the players are more suited to the English way of life/ cricket. The same was true of Chapel. So let Fletcher say good by to Indian cricket. Sooner he leaves better for Indian Cricket.It is strange that Fletcher has not owned this failure on his part so far for which I repeat that only HE and HE is responsible.

  • POSTED BY MyMeeru on | August 21, 2011, 9:42 GMT

    Common Miller! We all know how England suffered in India in its last tour. And we all know how it suffered in world cup. Everyone has its own up and down fall days. I don't want downgrade English team just because of your article. You guys suffered when Fletcher was coaching. Now, India's turn. Let us look at that way. Let us wait and see how Indians bounce back in the series. We still have ODI.

  • POSTED BY sunnymate on | August 21, 2011, 9:42 GMT

    @spin_king 4 this is for you. we accept it ENGLAND IS PLAYING REALLY WELL. INDIA IS PLAYING LIKE bangladesh. But but if u think england is best or india is nothign then u r wrong. i read ur comment u r so pessimistic about india. FIRST OF ALL ENG IS ONLY GOOD IN ENG. EVEN SOME TIME NOT. TELL ME ONE THING DID ENG WON ANY SERIES IN INDIA OR SRI LANKA, NEVER EVER. BUT INDIA WON 2 OR 3 TIMES TEST SERIES IN ENG, LATEST 2007. and if u think india never beat another teams u r wrong. we drawn the series 1-1 WITH AFRICA, WE BEAT NZ IN NZ 2009. WE BEAT AUS IN AUS IN 2007 ONE DAY, EVEN IN TEST SERIES WE ALMOST NEAR TO WIN THER SERIES IF SYDNEY TEST 11 DECISONS WAS NOT AGAINST US.WE BEAT THEM IN PERTH. OK we maintain number 1 spot for 18 months and i bet with you this ENG TEAM CANT MAINTAIN EVEN FOR 1 YEAR, SO DONT BE TOO HAPPY FOR ENG

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:41 GMT

    All credit goes to

    1: Indian cricket team because after successful world cup they played IPL will injuries and made thing worse

    2: BCCI not scheduling the practice matches before england tour

    note: England played more 3 than 3 warm up matches before ashes

  • POSTED BY chandrase51 on | August 21, 2011, 9:39 GMT

    Laughing stock is right... I've never felt so humiliated. Even those who never speak to me at work ask about the cricket!

  • POSTED BY Pritt32 on | August 21, 2011, 9:39 GMT

    England tour is turning out a complete humiliation for a shabby Indian team. Their cricket is uninspiring, club level and lacking intensity. I bet everyone is having a real laugh at their pathetic displays and you to applaud how professional England team is. It is like watching Holland and Kenya level of cricket, as it is so horrible. The Indian selectors are not tuning into reality. I hope great Indian players can have a full discussion with the selectors and contribute their ideas in reforming the team. India will lose the Oval match, as England is far too superior. India never clicked in any departments of the game in the series. They deserve to lose the series 4-0 and be dethroned as no 1 for being They have let down their country and fans. IPL is damaging India 's appetite to play longer form of game as their bowling and batting is well below the mark in test cricket. The matter needs to be urgently addressed.

  • POSTED BY ak72 on | August 21, 2011, 9:38 GMT

    lets start by stating the obvious, England have played superbly, India have sorely disappointed. 3-0 or 4-0 does not make much difference and does not make india a laughing stock.... being kicked out of CWC 2007 did not make them a laughing stock similarly as england losing ashes in 2005-06 did not make England a laughing stock. The real reason for vitriolic comments from some people like few of the commentators and ex-england players is that during their own playing / commentating career, in recent years, England have never been able to lord it over India and in the last decade have lost more often that they have won, and these people are just taking out their own personal frustrations out.... people like Nasser Hussain should just be ignored....most of this is not against team India...it is against the clout of BCCI...eg. issues with UDRS, IPL shedule etc. Can team India come back...why not...they have done it before....are England true world number one...next year will show !!

  • POSTED BY chapathishot on | August 21, 2011, 9:38 GMT

    Mr.Miller Remember one sparrow will not make a summer

  • POSTED BY samcri on | August 21, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    The only thing Indians improved in the series is LOSING MARGIN 196 runs<319 runs<innings and 242 runs I hope this test wont turnout into innings and >242 runs defeat

  • POSTED BY pom_don on | August 21, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    !0:29am & just got the sofa plumped ready to watch today's cricket (or should that read carnage) I am looking forward to Swann in particular & look forward to the Indian comments after he takes the so called 'best players of spin' in the world apart......will they then deem him to be the current best spinner in the world?.....probably not it will just be another fluke?/?/?/?

  • POSTED BY cricbits on | August 21, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    Just went through most of the comments ( especially by INDIAN fans) so funny....Just try to accept that your so called great team were totally outplayed by England..I remember when SL played ENG 2 months ago, Indian fans were calling them FLAT TRACK BULLIES...he he...i guess the karma bit your back side....Come on England....go for a white wash.....

  • POSTED BY shahab2058 on | August 21, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    Some Facts:

    1- India has failed to prove that winning (complete political)WC 2011 is justified. 2- Tendulkar career bag is full of useless 100's and 50's. He is good player but for easy matches. 3- Dravid is class regardless of what the match situation is and what the pitch conditions are... 4- No bowling future for india really (no pace , no seam , no swing , no spin) 5- Dhoni is one other good one among few in indian team. Truly the best captain + useful with bat. 6- Its time for indian board to say good bye to all 35+ otherwise they might lose "test status" :)

  • POSTED BY NumberXI on | August 21, 2011, 9:30 GMT

    This has been a humbling experience for Indian cricket. However it is hardly excuse for dismissing the track record of cricketers who have time and again defied expectations - and endured lots of ridicule - to get to the top of world cricket. This was pretty much the same team that defended a first innings score of just over 200 just a few months back to beat South Africa when everyone in world cricket was confidently declaring how Steyn and Morkel would decimate them. Also, while it would be churlish to not give England their due for this series won it would be equally head-in-the-sand like to attribute all of India's success to wins at home. The win at Perth didn't happen at home nor did England 2007 or wins in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, West Indies and South Africa. While a speech to the BCCI from Cricinfo was inevitable it is probably time for Indian cricket to ignore such speechifying and get back to fighting to regain the top spot.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:28 GMT

    Agree that India has become a laughing stock now.What about England team which has been laughing stock for 36 years for not able to win a single ODI Worldcup given the fact that they have started cricket.Some years down the line England fans might forget about this series but will still remember that India are the winners of the 1983 and 2011 WC.Anyways enjoy the momentary glory...!!

  • POSTED BY gentlemans-game on | August 21, 2011, 9:25 GMT

    Very accurate and timely, Andrew. I couldn't agree more. Other teams have vacated the No.1 spot; but they've done so while losing a fight. This Indian team might as well have couriered the mace to the ECB, and sent them an email vacating the penthouse.

    This article should be required reading for the BCCI, the selectors,the team, and aspiring test cricketers in India. Indeed the Indian team should also read the comments from their fans : no other team has such a loyal following - slightly misplaced, perhaps, but loyal nonetheless.

  • POSTED BY Bobby_Talyarkhan on | August 21, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    couple of quick points guys:

    1) note how the BCCI set aside THREE warmup matches for the one dayers (Leicestershire, Kent and Sussex) but only ONE for the test series (that shows you where their priorities lie)

    2) Dhoni has shown himself to be an inept captain who practices favouritism to certain players we know will never make it in test cricket. He is a fine player and could be even more effective as a player but his famed "luck" as captain has well and truly run out. Make Sehwag or Gambhir captain - they still have a few years left in them - I would make Sehwag test (not one day) captain to cultivate a more responsible attitude in him and also to make him realise the priority of test cricket over other forms of cricket - SHOULDER INJURY OR NO SHOULDER INJURY!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:21 GMT

    Even though I'm from Pakistan,i seriously believed this indian team would make england fight.i expected a 1-1 or a 2-2 draw.but this performance has been shameful.now that i think of it,india hasn't really won any series outside the subcontinent since england in 2007.they couldnt beat safrica(home and away) and lost to australia(under kumble) and have been literally raped by england this time.the IPL has brought them money but it's time for them to think where their priorities lie.it should be test cricket.when pakistan went to england last year,they lost 3-1 and brought us disgrace with that spot fixing fiasco,but at least they gave england a fight.true they got out for double digit scores,but did our bowlers not make eng batsmen sweat?did we not win a frickin' test match?..sorry but india have just not shown up.it is time for a major revamp and major major reality check for these emotional and over-patriotic indian fans.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:21 GMT

    So it's all down to India being poor and not with England being good. It's so rare to see anything on this site that isn't Indian Centric. This whole site might as well be re-named. "Cricinfo..Solely and Entirely from an Indian Perspective".IPL needs current and ex test players to be a viable product outside India. No one outside India is interested in IPL if it is just full of Indian domestic players and maybe Kieron Pollard. IPL without test stars is NOTHING outside India. The BCCI would do well to remember that.

  • POSTED BY Sheela on | August 21, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    All Indian cricket lovers should accept that England are definitely are better side and so their victory should not surprice anyone. We see in Indian grounds great rush of spectators only for 50 over ODIs and T20s. A real shame as Test Cricket is the one where skills in all departments are required to be first class. In the 50 and 20 0vers field restrictions exist and in India boundaries are shortened for such games. It is heartening to see in England and Austraila there is bigger crowd in Test matches and unless Indian cricket fans attend Test Matches in large numbers, the Indian Board may not wake up to the reality that Test cricket is the pinnacle and not the foolish limited overs games.

  • POSTED BY reality_check on | August 21, 2011, 9:19 GMT

    People are missing the point here. India is not a laughing stock just because they lost... every good or bad team loses at some point BUT it's the manner in which they lost. England dominated the series TOTALLY in every department of the game. Granted that India lacks in pace attack but India was tipped to have "best" batting lineup in the world for last few years. Was that just a hype? Was it because of mostly playing on familiar Indian slow pitches where even best pace attack can be hammered by midiocre batsmen? Sehwag... flat track bully. Tendulkar... hype or washed out? Laxman... nothing special so far. Dravid... only batsman in Indian lineup that has delivered so far. Even 2nd string Pak team (not known for it's batting prowess) touring Eng in 2010 was able to score 300+ runs on one occasion and won two test matches, one each against Aus and Eng.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:16 GMT

    the real test for this Indian team is the Australian series at the end of the year. A respectiable performance there will show that they have just been beaten by a side at the peak of their form and in conditions ideally suited to them against an Indian team that has not prepared properly.

  • POSTED BY SagirParkar on | August 21, 2011, 9:11 GMT

    a very succinct and well composed summation of the way Indian cricket has been.. i reckon we Indian fans were given a glimmer of hope after India's improved performances overseas over the past 2-4 years and had come to expect a degree of consistency.. no one had ever thought that just a few months after winning the world cup, we'd have to endure such humiliation.. i feel like almost apologising to my English friends who had expected a contest at least !

    as for the last paragraph, the Argus report, and for that matter the Schofield one too, aren't really treatises on theoretical physics but putting into words what many cricket lovers call common sense... backroom management is fine and good, at at times necessary but what matters most is smart team selection, stability, having long term plans, executing them and inculcating good habits among players throughout their development.

  • POSTED BY klobania on | August 21, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    ha ha ha i cant stop laughing the way indians r trying to defend their old aged team disaster against young english team. they are bullying abt home series but right now they r real laughing stock to the world cricket. thumbs up for such article

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    Kudos to the England team for playing well and playing it graciously. Indians can keep on blaming their coach, blaming their circumstances etc etc, but any excuse isn't really working.

    All the same, accusing BCCI for dismal performances of the Indian test side, is like establishing a correlation between the Maternal Mortality Rate of England, with the daily rainfall during the Indian Monsoon.

  • POSTED BY Bobby_Talyarkhan on | August 21, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    i hope the bcci are reading this article - or failing that i hope the ridicule and humiliation they will suffer after another crushing defeat will make them come to their senses. Quite simply, BCCI are destroying the legacy of Indian cricket - Indian cricket was the wealthiest and most marketable in the world and they have set out on a singleminded mission to destroy it. That is why I hope the Indians suffer another crushing defeat here, and another crushing defeat in the one dayers - actually defeat in the one dayers will really grind the bcci's ego to the dust much more than defeat in the tests (such being the priorities of the BCCI). This is the only way BCCI can be taught the lesson that they need to change their ways. Will Fletcher have the gumption to take the BCCI on and insist on long term changes such as a healthier structure of the first class domestic game, proper backroom staff, more warmup first class games on tour, less ipl and odi? or will he take the money and run?

  • POSTED BY anuradha_d on | August 21, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Laughing STOCK?

    did Eng beocme a laughing stock when they were walloped by BD and IRE in w'cup and ejected prematurely?

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    ShilajitBava @ I think you have your facts wrong there my friend . Exactly when was the England team ridiculed in the Caribean ? . I cant remember the last time the West Indies beat England in a series ! .I take your point on the games ahead in the subcontinent for England , they will prove exactly how good this current England side is .

  • POSTED BY Fleabite on | August 21, 2011, 8:45 GMT

    Twenty-20 and ODIs fill stadia in India and provide enormous gains for players. However, BCCI and Indian cricket fans, beware! Your cricket is going down the same drain as English Football did some years ago. 'Club before Country' is the motto in English football. If could become the same for Indian cricket. The Indian team in England in 2011 appears to dislike being here. Whether this is due to fixture congestion, the weather, the lack of financial remuneration, inability to concentrate or lack of the physical strength to play for 5 consecutive days, 6 hours a day, I do not know. Proper cricket is a mind game as well as a physical one. The mindless pap of ODIs and Twenty-20 involves little or no mental input. Test Cricket does. India has been out-thought as much as anything in this series, although lack of physical condition has also been a contributory factor. However, most worrying for India is the manifest lack of reserve talent. India cannot rely on its fading stars for ever

  • POSTED BY harshacc on | August 21, 2011, 8:45 GMT

    Teams lose all the time.It is the manner of the loss which people have a problem with. Dravid seems to be the only one who knows how to hold a bat.Sehwag,Zaheer,Sreesanth,Yuvi,Sachin,Gambhir and RP came to England short of match fitness and practice and it showed.Why was RP chosen to play over Munaf? I s Munaf also nursing an injury?BCCI needs to ask itself serious questions on what the hell it is doing.Zak is selected for ODI squad and replaced the next day as he is ruled out? Can this inquiry not be made by the selectors before announcing the team? Nobody seemed to know when RP was getting to England.Teams will rise and teams will fall.Ask any WI fan and he will tell you there is not much you can do about it.Being a professionally run cricketing board, now there is much BCCI can do about that.Why would you not take up Farook Engineer's offer on the a consultant?

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 8:44 GMT

    As long as there is no UDRS, marginal decisions will go in favour of India, and they will win. When there is a robust UDRS in place, India has no chance of winning, anywhere anytime.

  • POSTED BY george204 on | August 21, 2011, 8:41 GMT

    One thing I find very curious about India: When the coaching staff attend a press conference, they have to have a BCCI official to "nursemaid" them & stop them from attempting to answer certain questions. Why? It implies that the BCCI don't trust their own coaching staff. At Duncan Fletcher's first press conference, he hardly got a word in edgeways for the chap that kept butting in!

  • POSTED BY Ravenous on | August 21, 2011, 8:35 GMT

    Bunch of sorry losers making excuses. Wake up Indians! It's not you..it's England. Learn to give credit when it's due. England are playing like true champions and they desreve appreciation. Stop making excuses about your over-rated batsmen who are only dominant on sub-continent pitches. Hats off to Dravid! The only "batsman" in the sub-continent. Man for all weathers and pitches. I hope the thick heads in BCCI would actually get some use out of Dravid, when he retires. .and good job Miller, an article like this was much needed for a long long time to remind India who they are.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    Who will be sent to meet the press tonight? The Physio?

  • POSTED BY aschisch on | August 21, 2011, 8:30 GMT

    to all those patriotic indians! y r u trying 2 demean england win? the article is abt poor indian show n a pointer 2 lowering of indian cricket standards. those who r saying eng, aus,sa cant win in india, pls check how many times they lost 3-0, 4-0 in india n how many series india have won there. no 1 teams dont lose by such margins, they have able substitutes n depth in all depts. btw fast pitches r not doctored pitches but pitches turning from day one are n many of our stars even struggle on turning tracks. to miller! no use preaching us. very soon v will b in our backyards n our rainas n yuvis will be hitting sixes y even bhajji wud b a batsman. all will b forgotten n media will be awash with indian glory. all izzzzz well.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    Going by the gist of thıs article , ıt ımplıes that Englısh crıcket and ECB were the laughıng stock of the world crıcket for decades. . BCCI dıdn,t pay other teams to lose to Indıa on our way to beıng the TOP team ın the world , we all know how we got there... and for Pete's sake stop crıtıcızıng BCCI for everythıng..maybe ıt 70% percent of revenue whıch ıs the real bother.

  • POSTED BY CricketingStargazer on | August 21, 2011, 8:13 GMT

    @ShilajitBava, although, strangely, England have won more series in India than India have in England...

  • POSTED BY 5wombats on | August 21, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    For those of you who know our posts, you will know that the wombats LOVE cricket - especially TEST cricket. The Lords Test was the nearest approach this series came to being like Test cricket. Miller is right - India have become a laughing stock - but they haven't had me laughing for a while. It's not funny. Sure - some of the india fans have made me laugh; but the performance of the team is simply SHOCKING. In previous posts I have wondered whether this series was a symbol that Test cricket is in terminal decline. Clearly indian cricket is in the wilderness, with it's pocket filling PLI trashing every aspect of temperament and technique. The question which I want answering is; "Is Test cricket a priority for India or not"? Hey! @Landl47; Your point about the strength of England at the moment is of course totally correct. This England team is on the brink of Test greatness - but I genuinely worry whether the rest of world cricket places Test cricket at the top where it should be.

  • POSTED BY spin_king4 on | August 21, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    i find it funny how indian fans claim that england cannot be counted as number one because they have not beaten teams away from home such as south africa, yet these are the same fans that a month ago were saying how great a number one test side india were. LET ME ASK YOU THIS INDIAN FANS, HOW COULD YOU BEFORE THIS SERIES CLAIM YOUR TEAM NUMBER ONE WHEN YOU YOURSELVES HAVE NOT WON A SERIES IN SOUTH AFRICA OR AUSTRAIA ENGLAND JUST WON IN AUS THATS ALREADY MORE THAN YOU HAVE DONE (and before you say they beat a weak aus team you played the same team in 08 but could not win the series) and if i remember correctly you could not beat SAin your own home conditions. SO WHAT BEFORE THIS SERIES MADE YOUR TEAM SO DESERVING OF THE NO.1 RANKING AND THIS ENDLAND TEAM NOT, IS IT BECAUSE YOU MANAGED TO BEAT WI AND BANGLADESH AWAY???

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    @Satyam Kumar Varma: Nice to read about your comparison. So this means only India has the right to be called as Great? Before this series there was like India has this batsman and this batsman and zaheer blah blah!!! And now what an excuse where you say they were not ready!!! Well mind you brother its not England fault. It's India's. England have won Ashes twice. They have beaten Pakistan. And when I talk about Pakistan, I talk about the fight which Pakistan gave to England last year. Cut out the controversies and you will see that every match was a fight and we were not champions, only a kind of second string team. before the series it was said that Indian batsman will kill England, well that's not going to happen. And zaheer is not superman. Strong media doesn't mean a strong team. So when you call India great you should consider that you got to first ranking by chance and so you lost it. England will show on subcontinent as well, dont worry. We will then hear your excuse after that.

  • POSTED BY Rajesh.Kumar on | August 21, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    This clearly suggests that malady in the Indian team runs deep. Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman cannot go on for ever. Ganguly retired three years back, but no one has been able to replace him so far. Raina and Yuvraj have failed the test, while Pujara is injured. Now it depends upon how Duncan Fletcher handles the transition phase of the Indian team. Several younger players like Manoj Tiwary, Pujara, Rohit Sharma, Paul Valthaty etc. have to be tried and tested. Tough times are ahead for Fletcher, because Indian fans are very impatient, and will not like it if their team hits the rock-bottom of rankings. This will be a true test of character of Duncan Fletcher.

  • POSTED BY --X-- on | August 21, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    @ AnotherCricketFan well coming from just winning the world cup everyone expected more from the Indian side...Also since you did mention, in the worldcup it was not Indias win but more of Pakistans loss...through out the world cup Indians didnt play up to their potential and they won the world cup which seems a little odd...the game of cricket is no longer clean and who ever has the most money gets to take it all as we all saw from all the strange things happening in the world cup. Right now BCCI is the daddy of cricket because of its financial status and no one in cricket wants BCCI against them which is why the world cup was pretty much handed to them which is what explains their soon to be whitewash against England because they were never really that good to begin with. Anyways, much respect to Dravid...this man is the one holding it down for India. There are way too many matches being played and not enough money where as in soccer, baseball, basketball that;s not the case

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    Lol Frankly, I dont give a damn what these journalists and the medias and the keyboard bashers out here say....! Okayy so England is the best TEST team now... Agreed ! But still India is the second best... keep that in your mind...! I dont think England is gonna stay at the top for so long ! And Come On ! One bad series cant value a team...! Every team have gone through bad patches..! Now its India's bad time...! Doesnt mean SRT has to retire ! this is the tym India need Sachins n Dravids n Laxmans to get India back on track...! If they retire then things are gonna get worse than this ! its not yet the time for them ;)

    So, To all Indians fans - Whatever happens... instead of criticizing, try supporting them more !

    To all England fans - Well Done ! Your team is the best TEST team atm !

    To all other team fans - Dont compare teams HERE ! We all know how good the international teams are ! let them compare themselves on the ground ! ;)

  • POSTED BY johnathonjosephs on | August 21, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    "Sometimes you don't realize what you got until it's gone" People have been crediting M.S. Dhoni's "brilliant" captaincy for India's win when critics see obvious flaws in his captaincy and so many mistakes (many fielding errors and don't get me started on the bogus selection errors).... He has also been overhyphed by the Indian media and commercials to have people thinking he's some kind of a demigod (also heard a bollywood movie by the name of victory is based on him)...The more intelligent analysts find out the root of success/problem and sadly (many Indians might flame me for saying it), it is GARY KIRSTEN. Gary Kirsten, not Dhoni, was responsible for India's success and we will see Dhoni's true "captaincy" with the new coach and without the support of the last 3 great batsman of India.

  • POSTED BY kancnaic on | August 21, 2011, 7:55 GMT

    Evenif we lose the series 4-0 we will not worry about that.we will give our HEROS more chances and let them get back their form in one of the matches against BANGLADESH or ZIMBABWE.If they hit a century then, it will be enough for us. we will cherish those memories for next two years.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    BCCI has to make a policy that, Indian players should not play more than 5 games in IPL...!! also, we should select our team according to the strength of opposition.Most funny thing i ever have see, RP'S bowling ...!! his pace is musch lesser than Praveen... !!! and his bady language not better than a net sesssion. i totally agree with Ajay Sharma and i would say you had rasied very good point friend...

  • POSTED BY Yabba on | August 21, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    It is funny to read Indian fans talking about their team's abject failure in this series as though it is entirely down to what the Indian players have done and nothing to do with what England - as a team and not a bunch of individuals - have done.

    Whatever the Indian players would have done would not have hidden the fact that they have only one bowler in Zaheer Khan, who is capable of taking wickets and the rest are just medium pacers who are simply cannon fodder... I would mention the spin department but if Harbhajan and Mishra are the best yuo can offer, there really is no point. England's bowling attack is simply far superior - as evidenced by the fact that they have demolished the Indian batting line-up in every innings so far.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:49 GMT

    There has been talk in the media that Ranji trophy is going to be scrapped, and Indian domestic cricket is going to be sold to franchisees, sponsors etc. This is the worst injustice we can do to Indian cricket, and its also a horrifying thought.

    How can we expect Indian cricketers to have national pride, and Indians to have pride in the team, when greed is the prime motive? BCCI's simple solution will be to scrap all forms of cricket, except IPL. I sincerely hope, all countries boycott India and teach BCCI a lesson.

  • POSTED BY HasnainKhalil on | August 21, 2011, 7:49 GMT

    I've never seen a weaker team with the No. 1 status. India's ranking is more representative of the fragile state of cricket than anything else. India's team seems suitable for subcontinental conditions but it's not a team that can compete internationally. Its bowling is far too weak and its batting is either ageing or simply not made for the moving ball. India needs to start making its transition quickly. Replace the old batting guard as soon as it can - it's already a bit late. To find talent it needs to rotate players. It also needs to downgrade the importance it gives to secondary formats such as 50 over and 20 over cricket.

  • POSTED BY ShilajitBava on | August 21, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    @Freedom_of_Preston All U hav said is right. But lets see what Eng can do in India. They hav jus one successful series which was Ashes and they haven't tasted the major part of a Champ's repertoire subcontinent on thr way to No.1 and we all know of thr history here and even the WI whr India won its last series but Eng were ridiculed!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:44 GMT

    There has been talk in the media that Ranji trophy is going to be scrapped, and Indian domestic cricket is going to be sold to franchisees, sponsors etc. This is the worst injustice we can do to Indian cricket, and its also a horrifying thought.

    How can we expect Indian cricketers to have national pride, and Indians to have pride in the team, when greed is the prime motive? BCCI's simple solution will be to scrap all forms of cricket, except IPL. I sincerely hope, all countries boycott India and teach BCCI a lesson.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:43 GMT

    One series England wins and the world is praising them... and that too... a home series.... Yes, India has played in a very pitiful manner.... But that doesn't by any means make England the best team... There is no best team... England is only the 'better team for the moment'.... The fact is Indian Team hasn't played well enough for a No 1 side... but that happens in sport once in a while... That's what makes sports interesting... England has played well... but the same England Team will suffer when they are plagued by injuries in an away series.... Its good to write articles, but not a good thing to mock at sporting teams...

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:32 GMT

    @ecricl : very well said. SRT is the most over-rated cricker in the history (u can't chalenge that..lol).. I am SL fan but I feel Kallis is the best cricker, if not the best bastman.. David is much better than SRT.. in deed.. hr is the best indian batsman.. only good thing with SRT is the maintaing fitness for long time and started high quality cricket at the very young age.. but he never close to even Lara, ponting, sanga.. any many.. If indian thinks sachin is god of cricket, i have a serious doubt of other god also..

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:32 GMT

    After the World Cup'11 - England have played Tests only on home soil against SL (won 1-0 in 3 tests) and this series. Their true abilities will be tested on SA and Sub continental pitches. And already this team being hailed as the greatest team. Thussss. In ODIs they won only by 3-2 against SL at home not to forget SL emerged victorious in the only T20I. There are lots of miles to travel before they can claim to be great. Take my word, they will be back to where they belong very very soon. Indians in this series have not applied themselves at all and that is why they've floundered.

  • POSTED BY TemporaryInsanity on | August 21, 2011, 7:31 GMT

    This is very bad performance by Indian team......... i totally agree wid this........ bt the say that india was undeserved no1........ hurts....... every1 say Indian batsmen are flat track bullies.......then i want to ask a serious question...... why does so called fast track gr8 players frm england aussie or SA fails on indian flat pitches....... if they can play swinging ball so well they shuld hit 100 every time they come to india..... bt history shws there are very few of them succeed in india........... and sad to see so many ppl commenting abt sachin..... when sachin was in peak and dravid was struggling fr his form every body ruled out dravid.... i think we indian jst cant digest a defeat.... accept fact that Poms were superior in the series..... and we have to look for improvement......

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:30 GMT

    Sunny says that Sachin should NOT have taken a break during the WI Series. Hence failure is due to the break he took.

    Dhoni's reason for bad performance is back to back series making it 7 tests in a row (without break) and hence the failure.

    There seems to be a debate on whether it was ok (or not) to skip the WI Test Series. But there seems to be NO debate whether IPL should have been skipped

    As per me, Sachin has been playing limited overs cricket non-stop since Jan 2011 and no tests. He should have skipped the last 7 games of IPL and taken rest. Then skipped the ODI Series and played the 3 Test Series in WI. Got into the groove of the longer format of the game before the start of the England Series. Im sure he would have got at least 2 or 3 centuries (instead of one fifty so far). If Shewag, Ghambhir and Zak had also skipped the last 7 games of the IPL, they all would have been fit / match ready for the Eng Series. Ooops forgot, cant talk abt IPL. Thats the HOLY CASH COW

  • POSTED BY shanx24 on | August 21, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    The new coach is a sign of huge change for the Indian team. It's not only about the team and its members, it's to do a lot with the milieu created by the coach. Kirsten will be missed in months to come.

  • POSTED BY cricket-fan2011 on | August 21, 2011, 7:28 GMT

    I think India should have chosen Waseem Jaffer and Irfan instead of Raina and RP Singh. Raina is kind of 10 to 15 overs player at indian flat pitches specially prepared for ODIs or IPL. He almost had beaten 20 times in an innings of 29 balls. Tendulker might had a sight problem during his innings and Laxman was soft dismissal as usual.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:26 GMT

    we had lots of discussion about pace wkt, bouncer etc... but our players are not even playing well against spinner Swaan... !! BCCI, just need to make money and players too... when i see our batting yesterday, i felt so pitty. I was great fan of Sachin but now i would say Dravid is the best test player india ever have seen and just becouse of Sachin he did not get enough attension.

  • POSTED BY amit_mangal30 on | August 21, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    Disastrous series. worst possible or was in my lifetime ('84 born). But we will bounce back. I know. That's what we are best at right :).

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    Why you guys waste time about writting about this team. Do you think BCCI will take any action or do you think the public will keep away from watching cricket.As long as there are mad and crazy Indian cricket fans , next Championship tournment at flat piches will bring plenty of runs to Dhoni,Raina & Mr.Tendulkar- all of us will forget this and will start cheering this useless team.

    Let us just accept ,Indian cricket team now can be compared only with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe .Watch I did not they can beat them-

  • POSTED BY CHARLA on | August 21, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    THANK YOU ANDREW.No indian journalist will have the guts to write these truths.to me SACHIN'S shot was probably the most irresponsible he has ever played. why did you not highlight it?sport is always unpredictable--you win,you lose,but all good sides fight and fight like the army is taught to. not so the the indian cricketers,even our hockey for that matter.we need an ARGUS committee now to reorganise indian cricket.look at the prompt manner in which the AUSSIES reacted.BCCI will take its time and then appoint their faithfuls and cricket illiterates,along with a few politicians,who will further mess it up.against my will,can we have a foreign and objective committee--say with people like GARY KIRSTEN,ANIL KUMBLE,MARK TAYLOR and the like.but no CHAPPELS OR BOYCOTTS,who will only spoil things further.AND THE FIRST STEP SHOULD BE TO RETIRE THE AGED PLAYERS AND GROOM THE YOUNGER ONES,EVEN IF WE LOSE FOR 4/5 YEARS TO COME.AND,OH YES,REDUCE THEIR PAY AND MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

  • POSTED BY Anurag_India on | August 21, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    Schadenfreude of non-Indians - bar a few - is understandable. India have been doing very well the last few years, couple that with their financial power, and they've pretty much been ruling the world cricket for the last 3 years or so. It has built a lot of frustration in others which is now coming out. As a Team India supporter I can only say, thanks for the wonderful 3 years, the world cup and most importantly the bragging rights :-) now its gone, hopefully it'll come back someday soon enough. Performance in England has been embarrassing, but hey its not like we can change the team we support. So time to lie low and wait for a turnaround. That my friends is bound to happen, such is the nature of this wonderful game.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | August 21, 2011, 7:17 GMT

    I've read all the comments and the article, I have to say India has some tough times ahead, if it doesnt act, in the same way that the ECB reacted after 2006/7, and australia after last winters (2010/11) Ashes. I see a lot of critisim of Raina, when he was the best fielder during the england Innings, he probably saved 40-50 runs in the covers, and managed to dislodge the 2 england centurians. I would not say India are a laughing stock, thats just jouranlistic tripe, as the England fans I was sat with at the Oval want to see India fight back, just as much as we want our team to win.

  • POSTED BY Nightwing32 on | August 21, 2011, 7:15 GMT

    Sad to say but I thought Tendulkar should have retired after CWC.

    See the thing is that India needs to play more warm up games but they don't. See with Australia's scheduling in Sri Lanka it is a good one. Two T20, 5 ODI's, a warm up game and then the test series. India basically jumped straight into England and they are doing to same in Australia.

    Another thing is that India is hanging on its elder players too long. Dravid in the ODI team is just too odd. Laxman and Tendulkar aren't doing well. Sehwag shouldn't have played in the IPL and nor should India have rushed in back in the team. Your bowling attack is pretty weak. Zaheer should have gotten more fit and Harbhajan should have been dropped long ago.

    I would keep Raina in the team because I think he can perform and he isn't just having the right series. Dhoni needs to fix up his game. The captaincy has pretty much caused his batting and keeper to decline but that is what captaincy does I guess.

  • POSTED BY afon2002 on | August 21, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    Most important reason behind the downfall of Indian Team is the mentality of the players. It showed clearly after the world cup final win over Sri Lanka, most Indian players are swollen headed and full of over estimation of their capability, they think no one can beat them, so now they get beaten left, right and center, hope at least now they will realize it is important for sportsmen to be well grounded and humble.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:07 GMT

    sachin you are a great servant of indian cricket........but please left this lust for money and ipl......dnt like you to be a puppet of ambanis........plz once again become a leading light......your voice is powerful enough to reach dumb ears of bcci.....dhoni has no guts,not a true leader who can speak truth......n we lost a great voice in sunny because he lends his voice to bcci.....plz sachin become anna hazare of cricket......a request from an ardent fan.......

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 7:04 GMT

    This is one of rare bad series for India, they have the capability of bouncing back soon(may be during the odis itself), only concern areas are the fast bowling department, the no.6 position(test) in batting order and a genuine all rounder.

  • POSTED BY george204 on | August 21, 2011, 7:01 GMT

    @ Master01- Yes, England were a laughing stock after '06/7. Worse still, England were a laughing stock for pretty much all of the 1990s. We know, from bitter experience, what it is to be a laughing stock. Miller's article, far from being poor journalism or disrespectful, is one that should be read by everyone at BCCI.

  • POSTED BY ecricl on | August 21, 2011, 7:01 GMT

    i never been a great fan of SRT. I like his play but what i think he is a much hyped player.look at indian cricket history there was only a single star in their initial 55 years gavaskar. The fans had no one much to cheer about except some very good player like Vishy, Azhar, Kapil, and if go far back merchant, Hazare. before gavaskar there were very few indian batter with 40+ average or 100 + wicket at good under 30 average (excluding the spin quartet). so when they got SRT a player more talented than his mentioned predecessors the media and fabs got after him making him next to bradman. i think he is even below par lara. can any one throw up 10 instances when this guy with 99 century and 25thousand + runs made valuable contribution to Indias win?

    when SRT scores century india loses, he has very low contribution to India. Dravid is the best indian batsmen of his era but deluded fans underrates him to SRT

  • POSTED BY Full-Blooded-Wallop on | August 21, 2011, 7:01 GMT

    @stopsmoking, loved your comment..Anyways never expected such an article from a senior editor.Regarding saving the match you used the term ''hopeless optimism'', isn't it a bit too early or just going by the performances in the series.I strongly believe such types of comments should come after the match is over..India can still very well save the match..A really tough phase for our team..but didn't expect everyone laughing at the team.Hope such people have to eat their words and hide their guffaws soon.True that world salutes the rising sun,but never heard that the world mocks at the setting sun..because once it was also shining brightly and provided warmth to everyone...

  • POSTED BY anand32026 on | August 21, 2011, 6:52 GMT

    when u know bowl gets turn lott of why u send ishant.....why dhoni not come after fall of raina...what happens ishant go in 9 balls then dhoni come....this is sign of poor captaincy.....i always said rina is not type of test players he is only oneday and t 20 specialist....rp and raina plays in this test because they r good frs of dhoni..

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:50 GMT

    every team will go this phase kw its bad times for indian side sure india will come back in ODIs. @cricpolitics :- Indian have work hard to become no1 and beten all big tems dn't forgot that

  • POSTED BY ParamIyer on | August 21, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    Indeed, well said Andrew. India has become a laughing stock. I could scarcely have imagined a drubbing to the extent of this. There is no thought process within the team; they look disjointed.

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | August 21, 2011, 6:45 GMT

    India have become a laughing because it is clear to every cricket watcher in the world, no matter what team you support, that England now are the best team to have existed since the Australian team of Warne and Mcgrath. Every one of England's bowlers has made India's equivalant look like Men against Boys. Every one of England's batsman has, with the exeption of Dravid, shown themselves of far better skill and ability than their opposite number. England level of fitness and Ahleticism has blown India away: The Stand out James Anderson has rubbed India's faces in it, I mean here is England's opening bowler who is a better grounds-fieldsman than any of India's players, AND stands at 1st slip to swann. Could you ever IMAGINE an Indian opening bowler being a specialist slip fielder? Time and again, Indian fan's excuses before a game, and the reason's they give for the previous loss, have been laughed out of court by England proving them wrong. And that my friends is the truth!

  • POSTED BY mensan on | August 21, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    It is Tendulkar's long standing selfish policy never to bat at 3 and face newer ball. Always Laxman is made scapegoat. Many people here wouldn't know that Tendulkar has never made 500 runs in a single test series. Even Mudassar Nazar has made 700+ in a series.

  • POSTED BY sirishkr on | August 21, 2011, 6:43 GMT

    It is true India has been comprehensively outplayed in this series, and England are playing some amazing cricket. They fully deserve the #1 spot for now. However, the tone of this review is absolutely uncalled for. This is a sport, and there are ups and downs - wins and losses. Shall we talk about how England performed in the recent World Cup? It was a series that didn't go their way; much like this series didn't go India's way. If you find that laughable, I must say the problem is with yourself, Andrew Miller.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:40 GMT

    Well written Mr Miller. Really, very welll written.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    With all the blame to BCCI for tight scheduling an away tour without enough rest to players and its hatred of practice matches in, it is now batsmen to blame because after playing 3 Test with 6 innings they can not blame for enough practice matches. A practice match can provide at the most 2 innings to bat. So why they fail? They're now nonchalant to their prestige. Wheever a person subjected to more torture a time comes when he does not feel pain, likewise when a person is insulted and abused daily in life, a time comes when he does not feels insulted or get agnered by abuses. Sadly!!! Indian players have reached to that state, not feeling any hurts from the loss of prestige of theirs and their country, being a jokes for english media. I bet they wound't recover soon from this trauma. The defeatist mantality of players psyche, scratched off was painfully by Saurav Ganguly and John Write will come again. Prepare to see the example of India against Pakistan in Sharjah quite often.

  • POSTED BY AVaidya on | August 21, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    Absolute cracker of a headline - the Indian team is pretty much a laughing stock

  • POSTED BY Tom_Bowler on | August 21, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    I feel sorry for Dravid and Kumar who have done all that could be expected of them. Dhoni I've got a lot of respect for, he's maintained his dignity and good humour in the face of chastening defeats. The rest of the Indian side have been contemptible; Sehwag sulking with his hands in his pockets or going off with a headache, Mishra overstepping off two paces, Sreesanth giving batsmen the evil eye while bowling at 80 mph and averaging 60, Yuvraj and Raina showing naked fear when they get a bouncer and, saddest of all, the refusal to countenance SRT moving away from number 4 when the rest of the order has to bat out of position. As for the Indian fans I can sympathise with the decent guys who are realistic about the relative achievments of the two teams this summer, as an England supporter I know how hard a battering like this is to deal with, but for those who still perversely retain a sense of sneering superiority this series has been the ideal rejoinder.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:33 GMT

    who is laughing now? and you suggested SL moving down to tier 2.. Atleast we drew a couple of tests! lol

  • POSTED BY Leggie on | August 21, 2011, 6:32 GMT

    I cannot agree that Fletcher has no role to play in this pitiable state of affairs. Fletcher has been with the team now for the last 3 months and if a coach cannot at least iron out the chinks with such a talented bunch of batsmen, what is he being paid for??? One can understand the failure of the young bowlers, but what about batsmen? While the western journalists take the easier route of bashing the BCCI, I'm surprised to see a softer glove used to punch the coaches Fletcher and Simons. Its a COLLECTIVE FAILURE and Mr.Fletcher and Mr.Simons are very much part of it. They're paid by the BCCI and they have a job to do. If they see constraints which prevent them from handing out they responsibility, let them quit the job instead of trying to hide behind the media.

  • POSTED BY Lord.emsworth on | August 21, 2011, 6:28 GMT

    The great Bards quote ...'This is a sorry sight' (Macbeth) is wonderfully befitting the Indian team. As for England and quoating the Bard again... 'I am as constant as the Northern Star' is the best way to describe the number one team right now the magnificent way they are playing!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:28 GMT

    ha!!!! so many hate mails regrdng Indina team yes they are loosing as sleeep walking but why the hatred and non acceptance !!!!! of the fact that they were number one just wo tests back and they should accept that rather than repetedly ignoring it or try to ignore it and yes I do think India is not going out of this they gonna loose 4-0 and if things continue the same I predict a Whitewash in Australia too!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY hyclass on | August 21, 2011, 6:27 GMT

    Thankyou Andrew Miller for that subtle gem on,The Hayden Way. Im left wondering if,as a CA and QLD Cricket Board member,whether,as unethical as his behaviour was,it was even legal.It also beggars questions behind the scenes at CA,who issued no objections,rebuttals or apologies at what amounted to gross dereliction of duty and random insulting of all organisations not connected to his profitibilty.

  • POSTED BY BellCurve on | August 21, 2011, 6:20 GMT

    Guys you're all too negative. There are two days left. The weather forecast is good. The umpires are required to make up lost time. As a result there are around 200 overs left in this match. With players like Sehwag in their ranks, India can bat for 140 of those overs and score 700 runs (i.e. batting at a rate of 5 rpo). Then, all they need to do is bowl out England in less than 60 overs and for less than 200 runs. With RP and Amit spearheading India's bowling attack this should not be a problem. I say bring it on! India is going to win this!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:16 GMT

    Hey 2007 world cup was held in west indies did westindies win it.. Did south africa win 2003 wc when wc was in their home soil.... But india managed it u english .... Let first england win a world cup and then speak... You will lose your rank one soon....

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:16 GMT

    An Englishman's concern about the state Indian cricket is in? As an Indian and as an avid follower of Tests, i am sad but not very worried. This team is now down and out, outplayed in all aspects by a well performing England team. But anybody who has followed Tests in the recent past will know that this same Indian team has performed brilliantly up to the World Cup. The series in the WI gave signals that this was a very tired team. They made 300 only once against a weak WI bowling attack. The bowlers were not able to take wickets as expected. The fast and spin bowling attack looked toothless. The same very brilliant players did look very ordinary. I have a feeling that those players who were in the World cup squad are still mentally fatigued from their efforts. Only time will tell. Do you remember The Ashes, Nov 2006 - Jan 2007 (England in Australia) series were England lost 0-5? Now if that team can make a turn around and be World No.1, so can any team. I have faith in Team India.

  • POSTED BY HarishVS on | August 21, 2011, 6:13 GMT

    One major factor for this disaster is the selection. Shrikkanth has been strong believer in the saying "Class is permanent, Form is temporary" and he would repeat it umpteen times in media with any given chance to speak up. Dravid was not doing well much for a no. of series after 2007 except few good knocks here and there that helped India win or draw a losing test. But he was persisted as Shrikkant was a big believer of Dravid's class and dependability. If we still are witnessing Dravid's class it is solely bcos of Chairman of Selectors. If it were More or Vengsarkar, Dravid would have gone long back. But, Shrikkanth has overdone this a bit too much in selecting Sehwag and then RP Singh. Dhoni or the thinktank also did not show much cricketing sense in opting for Raina instead of Mukund and RP for Munaf or Ojha. But this is not an excuse for this shameful performance by team India, but some sensible selection was the need of the hour. Shrikkant! Please come to senses!

  • POSTED BY iconoclastix on | August 21, 2011, 6:10 GMT

    One bad series. And the daggers are out? Clearly they haven't been themselves. Can happen to the best of teams. England were the laughing stock for a decade. They almost awarded the entire team with knighthoods after an upset Ashes win a few summers back. Yes, they have a fantastic team now, but they had lost 5-0 to the Aussies not too many seasons ago! Things move in cycles. Let's not get all flippy out there.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    i can very well understand the excitement in the hearts of English cricket fans, being the inventor of this game, it took them really long to be at its pinnacle, i mean really very long.

    As far as laughing stock, i don't see a reason for people calling my team as such. it didn't play well, played poorly, but that's normal to have a bad series. I do remember a team coming to india, loosing badly, flying back coz they were afraid, again coming bak and loosing. No one insulted them.

    It is easy to make fun of World champions, take a digg at them, but you do understand that they are world champions and the second best test team right now.

    And i don't get this idea of BCCI or the players being rich. Are you guys sad that you don't have enough fan following to make you rich in your country. Our players are richer than all of you and humble than all of you. Don't be jealous of our players earning capacity.

    England really played well, but Its my team, and it will get back to you.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    number 1 , its a shame to the lebel. winning seris with weaks at home made a team no 1. it was just a stat, india showed her real guts and ability. go to australia, south africa even srilanka the real face of india will come out. to earn no 1 status team needs performance not money or over hype.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    Ha ha ha... Indians are a laughing stock indeed. Poor BCCI.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 6:06 GMT

    I won't say England is no.1 , because India has played pathetic in this series. We accept India has performed badly and we are no where near no.1 status but for England to prove they are no.1 they have to beat SA .... and that will be the best test for England batsmen and bowlers....We will be back with some changes.....but none can ignore the fact that these are the 5 best teams in test arena (England / SA / India / Australia / Sri Lanka) ....and e'1 here should be clear that no.1 test status is gained or lost not only be performing in England / SA or Australia..... no.1 team should be capable of performing inside and outside the subcontinent.....and to accept that fact.....no other team than Australia has done it in a best way.....

  • POSTED BY henchart on | August 21, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    @Mranjan inthenet- get real man.Do you follow cricket objectively or only the over paid ,under performing mercenaries being made out to be demigods?Laxman was not able to put bat on ball to the swing of Anderson,Bresnan and Broad.Tendulkar is so obsessed with his 100th 100 that cant bat freely.No wonder he is not going to get the elusive ton in Oval also .Gambhir is always hiding behind injuries while Sehwag cant last 5 minutes on the English pitches.Raina is unaware of what hit him and Dhoni has shown only patches of resistance.Dravid alone stands tall amidst ruins but for how long?4-0 whitewash awaits in Aus also.Reserve your optimism .

  • POSTED BY aarpee2 on | August 21, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    Let us hope better sense will prevail when India tour Australia in terms preparation,selection and fitness levels from BCCI,SELECTORS, team management and players respectively. Meantime let us not forget it was VVS at No.5 who held team and the ranking in place against SL,Aus and SA. Making him a virtual opener at No3 walking in the first over in swinging and seaming conditions was an unkind and dumb act.Had he played at his regular position some stability and sense would have surely come into the proceedings-he has proved beyond doubt he can save or win matches for us-poor tactics by the management.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:56 GMT

    can any one inform me about India's road to no 1 in test. I want to know how they become no. 1 :)

  • POSTED BY DaGameChanger on | August 21, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    Unbelievable, India has lost complete plot in this series. But saying that, it is also true nobody has defeated India at their home and they almost drew all the series before that in last 3 years. So winning at home is not big deal for England. Real test would come when they toured India.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    Adrew Miller, Do you know that England never won a single world cup? Laugh at your team than others. The no.1 team ranking wont stay with england for long time. South Africa will take over in the series. India has won the World Cup twice. twice......

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | August 21, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    The only hope Indians have now to become number one again is to start hosting Bangladesh and Zimbabwe on their turf. I'm sure BCCI has extensive experience in that kind of setup.

  • POSTED BY Freedom_of_Preston on | August 21, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    @RaviChandranS which centre kine are you talking about really? I wish people at least get their cricketing facts right before posting on this forum? If India was not good enough, please just accept that, and be happy when they win a home series again.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:49 GMT

    Give players from South the chance to perform to give a true fight. Nullify stupid policy of picking only players from North. Ashwin and Balaji can be included instead of Tendulkar and Harbhajan. They are more worth than them. Tendulkar can score only against the minnows. If players need lot of rest then send them home including the top players. Winning spirit should be there to play the game. In a country of more than 100 crores of people, it is a shame and ugly scene that we do not have any all round ability players after the great Kapil Dev Nikanj. Kapil Dev won matches for India when it mattered, but Sachin could not, while Ashwin did make India proud by winning matches for India in world cup.

  • POSTED BY Talha.Asif on | August 21, 2011, 5:48 GMT

    Ravi Shastri once said on an Indian talk show before the World Cup that even on a green pitch, India would beat Pakistan because of their batting lineup. I would love to know if he still sticks to that after this disaster! Pakistan came to England and although they managed to win only one test, but that was without Muhammad Yusuf and Younis Khan, the only two capable of handling the swing. It was Asif, Aamir and Gul that kept Pakistan in the contest all the time till the last test, and managed to win one test for them. I would love to see an India Pakistan series in England!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    It is no use complaining about how India have never been No. 1 test team and how England have always been a champion team. The fact remain even England were the laughing stock when they were whitewashed by the Aussies 4 yrs back.There was lack of communication and internal squabbles even in that team- nothing succeeds like success.Similarly regarding India- team cannot become bad or good overnight but India's stupid administrators have look beyond short term profit and develop a team for the future and the answer lies in not protecting bowlers but making them match fit by making them play more First class games. How many first class overs do the future Indian bowlers like Pankaj Singh, Abu Nechim, Yo mahesh, Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron bowl every year- is this at par with the order young prospects play elsewhere? Make them get wickets and learn how to........

  • POSTED BY SixoverSlips on | August 21, 2011, 5:44 GMT

    Seriously? India have become a laughing stock? Some perspective, please.. Glorify England all you want. But India is a laughing stock? This is the team that has been no.1 in tests for 2 years, and just won the limited overs World Cup. This English victory has clouded the senses of some English journalists. How about some grace in victory? This article is not even cohesive. It just meanders to take a shot at everything without any line of reasoning - Raina, Yuvraj, BCCI, Eric Simmons, Sehwag, bowlers. Yeah they all came together in a matter of weeks. Let's not worry about what happened in India in March, or the test series in South Africa or Sri Lanka. Yeah, we are laughing stock, but not even close to what England was 7 years back. Remember Robert Key, John Crawley, James Foster, Tufnell??

  • POSTED BY D.Nagarajan on | August 21, 2011, 5:41 GMT

    Dear Desi, People in Indai prefer the shorter form??? Frankly the reason for this myth is , the greedy BCCI wants to promote only the junk formats of the game which is T20 and ODI. Test matches in India sometimes start on a Monday, its the most horrible way to attempt to kill tests. Tests should start on Thursdays but they dont in India because the touring team has to play 2 tests and 7 ODI's who cares what happens in these ODI's. The fact is for a cricketer to progress, he needs to be an outstanding 1st class cricketer first then he graduates to tests, then ODI's and then T20's. A player straightaway jumping to ODI's and T20's will never be good enough for tests, the BCCI needs to understand this but its like asking a ruthelss businessman to give up on profits!!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:39 GMT

    don't laugh INDIA still is a much better team then england. it's just underestimating english team that has given such results...

  • POSTED BY vinchester on | August 21, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    If the BCCI & others have any concern for improving test cricket in India, let them not think anymore of no1 or any other number, but let them start afresh from scratch & begin a new, ; start thinking about improving, the infrastructure; the pitches ; the players fitness; payments to test players in the making; fast bowling is what we lack in; in such a large country you can unearth a big number, provided u make a sincere search. many such ideas will flow if BCCI asks our extest cricketers . all this can only be done if the BCCI is concerned about test cricket .

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:37 GMT

    ASHWIN should have been picked ahead of mishra and ojha...

  • POSTED BY GULNATHANI on | August 21, 2011, 5:35 GMT

    INDIA EXPOSED: Reason for failures: 1. The team is aging 2. Lack of bowling talent 3. India has never been a good team outside India and the sub-continent 4. Delusion of grandeur (megalomania) 5. internal rift in the team 6. Not knowing how to adjust to fast pitch 7. IPL mentality 8. Dhonism is failing 9. Tendulkar too old 10. Arrogance PREDCITION: Spot # 4 by the end of the year. Gulzar Nathani

  • POSTED BY SpeedCricketThrills on | August 21, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    Andrew Miller has written a by and large good article but has screwed it up by exaggerating the situation with the phrase "laughing stock". No doubt, there is complacence on the part of BCCI, and more dangerously, they seem to be more focused on generating money than unearthing cricketing talent ... but that is a separate topic altogether, not to be mixed up with an inept display by a very competent team. Let it not be forgotten that cricket depends heavily on pitch condition and each country has the right to "doctor" it the way it suits their team. India will indeed be the laughing stock if they get whitewashed on Indian pitches. I don't think this has happened after 1980

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    its same for all england have not mon in india for 25 years

  • POSTED BY OutCast on | August 21, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    I am tired of Indians repeatedly say Zaheer & Sehwag could've made it 4-0 for India. There came Sehwag and he could not stap past 6 balls in 3 innings. Noone should blame Dhoni or the indian line up. It's Indian politics that makes cricket misery just like SL where politicians run the sports. The best XI that must have: Mukund, Kohli, Dravi(doh), Dhoni, Luxman, Sreesanth P.Kumar, I.Sharma. I would have selected R.Sharma, Y.Pathan, S.Badrinath, Ashwin, Patel.

    Australia is licking its lips somewhere in the jungle in SL. Can't wait for India to arrive...

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    @RaviChandranS: Thats just an Indian cricket fanatic talking rubbish...who has lost his senses to this lousy team...refusing to accept whats happening...there are lots of people like this in India...thats why the this unseserving team is still celebrated...!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    somebody please end the torture asap. Broad, Jimmy, Bresnan, are you guys listening? This is a humble plea from an Indian!

  • POSTED BY timelord24 on | August 21, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    the criticism levelled at india has been thoroughly deserved but some people like ian botham have been too mean spirited about it. lets not forget that england have been in the middle of the world rankings for a long period. that being said the BCCI deserves every single criticism that is laid at its feet. we have a MRF pace academy where fast bowlers can hone their skill but we haven't produced any "fast" bowlers. we have the NCA for budding cricketers but its purpose seems known only to the BCCI. even though they generate 70% of the income,they cant be bothered about ranji cricket. no proper pitches are prepared. grounds are pathetic. the BCCI likes to make money and fill up its coffers. the problem with indian fast bowlers is not new. in a country where the ball doesn't get upto more than shin height and where temperatures can touch 40C+ in summer,who would want to be a fast bowler?

  • POSTED BY vattettan on | August 21, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    I guess the drubbing England received from India in the 1993 tour was an equally humiliating one. Now the roles just changed.

  • POSTED BY IAS2009 on | August 21, 2011, 5:20 GMT

    umpiring will not decide a series in favor of team 4-0, it is india who hide behind udrs, umpires are always reluctant to give india top order batsmen out early in their innings specially lbw decisions. India are benifciary for no UDRS in SA this year big time.

  • POSTED BY MAAMBA on | August 21, 2011, 5:20 GMT

    Gunning team vs funny team...it is boring..no competition.....

  • POSTED BY Front-Foot-Lunge on | August 21, 2011, 5:15 GMT

    Wait a minute: Where's the great comeback from India that their fans said was SURE to happen?? England may have always been better certainly in away series, but Who though that despite almost two days lost to the rain, India could lose this match as well???

  • POSTED BY Hindh on | August 21, 2011, 5:10 GMT

    @pak fans However weak india might go down . But Indian players are enough motivated and are capable of beating ur Pak team anyday anywhere.

  • POSTED BY Longmemory on | August 21, 2011, 5:10 GMT

    Just the title alone is worth a million bucks. Thanks to Andrew Miller for telling it like it is and not hiding behind understatement and politeness. This has got to be one of the most pathetic sides that ever toured England - and RP Singh's first over to set off the Oval test pretty much epitomized everything that is wrong with Indian cricket. While the BCCI deserves all the derision sent its way, what about players like Zak, RP, Yuvraj and others who could not be bothered about their own fitness? We are in for a 5-0 thrashing in the ODIs as well - and this time, administered by a second XI. By the end of the ODIs I expect England may well be blooding promising High School cricketers against this hapless lot from India.

  • POSTED BY Quazar on | August 21, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    @RandyOz, please ask your own cricketers like Ponting to retire... he hasn't done anything worthwhile in the last 4 years. Tendulkar and Laxman were brilliant all through 2010, and have been prolific for the last 4 years. This has been a bad series for them, but I back them to prove over the next year that they still have plenty to offer to Indian cricket.

  • POSTED BY manjulap on | August 21, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    Undoubtedly India has become a laughing stock. The news papers read "London under siege" they compared this series to the "Ashes" what a hype! They can't even restore their own pride. Good lessen thought to the Indians by the mighty Englishmen. Like I said in my message before "Never count your chickens before they are hatched" I hope they have learned a big lesson by this. And Please, please don't interfere to other nations cricket. You play your cricket (like present) and let the others play their cricket to their potential. Don't compare others to India. Because you are now well exposed and cannot be compared to any other nation. All the very very best ENGLAND You are now No. 1 and please remain there.

  • POSTED BY Quazar on | August 21, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    @RandyOz, please ask your own cricketers like Ponting to retire... he hasn't done anything worthwhile in the last 4 years. Tendulkar and Laxman were brilliant all through 2010, and have been prolific for the last 4 years.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    I suggest we stop overreacting. Yes it has been horrendous and perhaps even that is an understatement. However, I do believe that we should wait for the ODI's and finally, the Australia series. That gives Fletcher time to gel with the players and it will finally give Indian players some much deserved rest. After the World Cup, Indians have played the IPL, West Indies, and now England. England have only played Sri Lanka and now India. That means a month off that England have gotten which India haven't, perhaps this was the tipping point as far as fatigue is concerned.

    Even though this is embarrassing, every team is bound to have bad a bad series here and there. So we should not make any significant changes until after the Australia test series.

  • POSTED BY Veteran50 on | August 21, 2011, 5:03 GMT

    It is easy to write a 100 page thesis on the poor performance of Indian cricket team on this tour and the counter measures. I have been following Indian cricket since 1977. If the opposition scored 600 plus, Indian batting teams always made sure the test would end up a draw. The selection committe should be ruthless. Any player however big he is or however popular he is should be treated as an ordinary cricketer. The selection committee should go for a innovative selection process after this tour making sure that no batsmen or bowler position is taken for granted. It is a very sad story for supporters that out of 11 cricketers at any time in any innings in this series only 3 or 4 at the maximum performing and the remaining giving a very sub standard performance. With the state affairs the Indian cricket team is now, unless they take drastic measures the ENGLAND, SA, AUSTRALIA, SRILANKA and PAKISTHAN will be ahead of Indians for forseable future.

  • POSTED BY cricveda on | August 21, 2011, 4:57 GMT

    i have told before and i am telling again and again bring new bowlers pace bowlers cant maintain their as they have to play too much cricket on indian flat tracks and lose their pace .Ishant sharma is bowling very nice but he is not getting support from foolish sreesanth and others.bring in new fast bowlers.and batting wise india have failed because tendulkar,laxman,gambhir,sehwag,raina failed its a total failure !!!it totally reflects they were not prepared for this series.Its not any magical bowling england had same bowlers of 2007 and almost same team because india had humiliating defeat in 2007 wc they were serious about england tour .this time its comedy show.its time for a big surgery and rejuvenation.

  • POSTED BY rahulcricket007 on | August 21, 2011, 4:56 GMT

    MR. MILLER , I AGREE WITH YOU THAT INDIA HAS ITS OWN PROBLEM IN BENCH STRENGTH & RUBBISH TOUR SCHEDULING OF BCCI . BUT TO SAY THAT INDIAN TEAM HAS BECOME A LAUGHING STOCK IS QUITE DISRESPECT TO THE TEAM . ONE BAD SERIES DOESN'T MEANS THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PLAY CRICKET ANYMORE .WHAT ABOUT ENGLAND 'S DISATROUS 2007 ASHES . YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT . WHAT IF INDIAN TEAM THRASH ENGLAND IN ODI SERIES . THEN WHAT WILL YOU SAY ABOUT YOUR TEAM ? ENGLAND TEAM IS PLAYING GOOD CRICKET AND THEY DESERVE TO NO.1 AND I HOPE WITH THEIR CUURENT PERFORMANCE THEY CAN REMAIN NO.1 FOR A LONG TIME .BUT PLEASE STOP MAKING JOKES OF INDIAN TEAM .THIS TEAM HAS ALREADY GIVE US SO MUCH JOYFUL MOMENTS IN THE PAST . I STILL HAVE FAITH IN MY TEAM THAT THEY WILL PERFORM BETTER IN AUSTRALIA .AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THAT INDIA CAN SCORE ONLY IN SUBCONTINENT SHOULD LOOK RECORDS OF SACHIN, DRAVID ,LAXMAN EVEN GAMBHIR SCORES 3 HALF CENTURIES ON SA TOUR THIS YEAR .

  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | August 21, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    It is so significant that Eric Simmons was fielded to answer at the press conference. He has been the bowling coach of this Indian team for the last 4 years. And the bowlers have been going only downhill. All of them either with injuries or through loss of pace or bowling form. I wish he resigns after the tour.

  • POSTED BY RJHB on | August 21, 2011, 4:52 GMT

    India have great players who are well past their prime and no one to replace them of any great significance. These sorts of results are inevitable. The country as a whole has to decide if they want to play test cricket or just be kings of the "nobody gives a stuff" T20 which soon will be as irrelevant,predictable and boring as ODI cricket has for the most part become. England and Australia will always hold test cricket in lofty esteem, if India or anyone else decide not to bother anymore, well, it'd be a shame but, we'd get over it! Seeya later! 4 ZIP!!!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    @Vichan, Last 25 years' stat of India against England: India in England Test Series 1986 India 2-0 (3) India in England Test Series 1990 England 1-0 (3) England in India Test Series 1992/93 India 3-0 (3) India in England Test Series 1996 England 1-0 (3) England in India Test Series 2001/02 India 1-0 (3) India in England Test Series 2002 drawn 1-1 (4) England in India Test Series 2005/06 drawn 1-1 (3) Pataudi Trophy (India in England) 2007 India 1-0 (3) Pataudi Trophy (England in India) 2008/09 India 1-0 (2)

    India won 5 series England 2 India won 10 tests England 4

    So even after pathetic loss of form of indians in this series, the trend remains solidly in favor of India. If the author wants to call India loughable, it is his opinion. But to me, to be called loughable, you got to play consistently bad. Looking back at this history of 25 years, that claim sounds empty and opportinistic.

  • POSTED BY Chncricfan_2k0 on | August 21, 2011, 4:49 GMT

    Again, consecutively for the 7th time in this tour, Indian team batting looking down the barrel.this is a big shame for the ex-no.1 team.except Dravid, the ever reliable.there is no one in this team have any honor or pride.especially SRT what he is doing in the team.nothing he shows as a most senior player in the team whether in guiding youngsters or playing like a senior batsman when the team is in trouble and the situation needs him to.I think he did like playing for MI in IPL rather than India as his dismissal throughout this series was an evident of wat Im saying.yesterday's dismissal was pathetic looking to score each and ever ball.wat to do.he is the god of Indian cricket by many people for many years..Anyhow Indian team is in total disarray and short of confidence even in Oval great batting wicket.at least they need to save this match to show some kind of honor...!

  • POSTED BY contrast_swing on | August 21, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    Come on, you are concluding too much too soon. Indian cricket has never relied on the methods of BCCI, instead it has thrived on the individual brilliance. BCCI did not plan for the emergence of Sachin or Rahul or for that matter any one. Given the huge population of cricketers just by the laws of probability, some brilliant cricketers will emerge. While Australian, England and other countries with smaller populations will have to define methods for proper identification and nurture of talent. The Indian team in 1990 was not any better and it has happened to many other teams, not long ago England was defeated 5-0 in Australia. Cricket is all about bouncebability and India will do it soon. Yes right now they perhaps at their lowest but then things can only improve. The same experts will be singing to Indian tune as soon as one or two players start making runs.

    You are saying too much too soon, Andrew....in cricket forecasts dont work...

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    The morale must be at the lowest ebb now! Why kick them when they are rolling in the sand. Perhaps all Indians should pray to Lords of The Rain to prevent the ignominy of another innings defeat.

  • POSTED BY Des_65 on | August 21, 2011, 4:46 GMT

    Is Indian team planning ouster of Fletcher as a coach?

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    2012 is for the end of Indian Cricket. Old crop is dying, no new crop coming up. Everyone trained on white ball, pajamas, flat wickets. Indian cricket works on batting. Here the batting is failing and bowing is weak and not making an impact. Time to save electricity and turn off the tube, or stay focused on Anna. Anna's mass negative hysteria is saving Dhoni and team from whiplash

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    I think India will show better results in Australia. But i also think that time has come for tendulkar to hang up his shoes after scoring his hundredth ton. That is the only way he can save his earned respect over 20 years. I think he May get it soon in ODIs

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    I believe its time BCCI realises that dream run of this Indian team is over.BCCI should be learnt a lesson for its high handedness.It will have to change its money minded mentality and start thinking about the players and their concerns.In a way I am deeply pleased with this series whitewash.It has reminded BCCI that its just can't mint money riding on the shoulders of players since by now they would also have understood that the size of their pockets is directly proportional to the success of Indian team on field.

  • POSTED BY knpradeep77 on | August 21, 2011, 4:38 GMT

    @ RaviChandranS it is sad to say the least that india is being compared to bangladesh and zimbabwe. really, those teams (BGLD & ZMBW) are much better than this indian team and will really hurt the sentiments of the followers of those teams. Possibly we can compare indian team with Nepal or Afghan or Malaysian teams, hopefully those teams will not disagree

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:35 GMT

    ODI's will be a different ball game.I am quite sure that india is better than england in that department.we've all seen what happen in the ashes 2010.england won ashes 2-1 and the same team lost in odi's 6-1.even in the recent series against srilanka,they just managed to snatch the odi series.

  • POSTED BY Quazar on | August 21, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    @Mahmood Siddique... your Test team managed a 1-1 in the WI. We sent only half of our regular players to the WI, and won 1-0 very comfortably (it could have been 3-0 if more than 100 overs hadn't been lost in each of the last 2 Tests).

  • POSTED BY Bang_La on | August 21, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    Brave Lad Andrew Miller spelt it out, "Indian cricket has become the laughing stock of the world game......" And its so painfully true. Most Indian players were selected to model billion dollar consumers' product in bill boards and tv commercials turning them demi-gods. As a plain marketing theory, those players had to be blown out bigger-than-life. The TV-fed Indian fans swallowed that but few noticed that there was no new capable cricketers were rising in the horizon. My this statement is proven when we watch the performance of the "newer" cricketers. In addition, being the richest sports body BCCI invented new style of cricket to inflate their vaults. Moreover, BCCI gained political power to control ICC and started bullying. It contaminated the cricketers (who made belived they were genuinly heroes) also so to show arrogance. Now they pay the price. Heavily.

  • POSTED BY Quazar on | August 21, 2011, 4:32 GMT

    @Mahmood Siddique... your Test team managed a 1-1 in the WI. We sent only half of our regular players to the WI, and won 1-0 very comfortably (it could have been 3-0 if more than 100 overs hadn't been lost in each of the last 2 Tests).

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:29 GMT

    I don't have a problem loosing as long as we put up a fight. This is just shameless, spineless, ballless cricket.. They have surrendered without a fight.

    We should have played Munaf/Virat/Ohja instead of the RP/Shewag/Mishra.. A fit Virat is certainly better than a unfit Shewag. It must be mandatory that the any player plays a few domestic games with close supervision before they come out of a injury break. We had our lessons for this series and hopefully for the future.. Zak/Shewag ..

    2 more days, I think we will loose the 15 wickets end of tomorrow if we play like this. Worst case by Lunch time on 5th day...

    I am just mortified with my comments.... BCCI has no clue of what they are doing..

  • POSTED BY friendfromusa on | August 21, 2011, 4:27 GMT

    Some numerology: we were all expecting to see 100th 100, which has a total of four zeros (4 x 0), but what we got to watch was 4-0!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:27 GMT

    India the Ex World No 1 was beaten by a team that was more HUNGRY, had FIT players and above all WANTED TO CAPTURE THE WORLD, while its sad that WORLD NO 1 never offered a fight, one must understand that at some time this fall in grace was coming, if not in 21st month then may be 36th month, but it was bound to happen, AUSSIES when No 1 were given a 2-0 drubbing in India , and that happened because the AUSSIES were on the decline. So what lessons should India learn from this defeat. 1. To win matches you need at least 2 fast bowler and 1 geniune Spinner in your rank, else its a lost cause. 2. No 4 and No 5 is critical for success, golden days had Steve Waugh, Miandad in those position, and in near future , we had Wall and Sachin. 3. Don't take your opposition lightly , you will be pleasantly suprised, remember so many who landed up in India during early 90's on the reputation that India lost matches outside only to get gobbled in the sub-continent. 4. You need fresh legs to win matches

  • POSTED BY Kashi0127 on | August 21, 2011, 4:26 GMT

    I agree It is wrong to compare India with Bangla Desh and Zimbabwe. India is not going to lose to either of them. Winning against them - well that's another matter....

  • POSTED BY Kashi0127 on | August 21, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    Tendulkar is so selfish, he does not want to change his position in the line up. Whereas Dravid is ready all the time (had to open), Tendulkar sticks to his position as he is more important than the team. After all he is as some believe GOD.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | August 21, 2011, 4:19 GMT

    I think the irony is that after Ind won the first t20 WC, they have been a pretty poor t20 team. In the 50 over WC they were very good but not great and the non-subcontinental teams did perform fairly admirably (bar Eng, irony again). I think Ind are being passed due to their rigidity n stubbornness.

  • POSTED BY Joby_George on | August 21, 2011, 4:18 GMT

    Sachin Tendulkar should retire, or else, I am sure he is going to lose his respect he earned for last 20 odd years. He will never adjustable to the conditions Indian needs him to bat but India should adjust on his ways. Why can't he bat at No.3? India lost laxman's vital wicket just because of that. He always sticks on to his positions. He never deserves to bat at No.4. Even in ODI's Shewah-Gambhir will make a good opening pair, again sachin decides who should bat and where to bat. Can any one point out a single game (excuse to his performance against aus in 1998, sharjah) that he won single handed for India? He is not a match winner. He is dreaming of his 100th ton and its pressure result in his failure. Dravid deserves more praises than Tendulkar who can bat only of the team performs well. Total failure, disastrous…Stop playing and give way to youngsters. Don't spoil India cricket

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    Let see whether India can save this match with the help of weather. at least.. Then they can realize SL played much better to them in England. Good luck india.. Keep it up..

  • POSTED BY Kashi0127 on | August 21, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    And Why RP Singh? Is it because some people heard he had played some cricket in last decade? At least if they had tried Vinay Kumar or Mithun it would be forward looking.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    Uve been itching to write this article, havent u? planning it in your mind ever since India started its climb to the peak, hoping that one day they will fall. Need I remind you of England's dismal performances. Remember the 5-0 whitewash in ashes. That wasn't so long ago, was it?

  • POSTED BY Kashi0127 on | August 21, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    For Gods sake. Get Rid of Tendulkar. How much more humiliation should India suffer. We have problems like IPL, Tendulkar Milestones . Unless we overcome these India cricket can not prosper.

  • POSTED BY Marsh_aussie on | August 21, 2011, 4:08 GMT

    RavichandranS: I think you dont know cricket that well. The ball shouldnt picth outside the pitch map only for the left handed batsman. In shewag's case, he was a right hander and Anderson was also right handed. So Taufel was right to give shewag out. Learn the rules first b4 criticising umpires like taufel

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:07 GMT

    Its not T20 and IPL to blame for the current series debacle...Its the Selection of the team and the trust a Captain puts in his playing XI....Here clearly Dhoni has faulted in not giving Munaf Patel a chance and playing RPS....Everyone including Gavaskar commented that Munaf is not capable of taking wickets, only in containing the batsmen. Did he forget that if you can contain a Batsman you make an opportunity for the other bowlers to take wickets.All through out this series only one bowler at a time has been able bowl well, it was either Praveen Kumar or Ishant Sharma. Sreesanth has been lordly in his bowling and giving away 8-15 runs when the other bowlers are bowling well and allow the batsmen to play freely. The team needs a Motivator who can can motivate these bowlers to perform well under pressure and not scowl when batsmen score off you when you bowl badly...These players have been losing confidence as the series progressed and the Sehwag's failure has added to this.

  • POSTED BY r1m2 on | August 21, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    Dear Andrew, mock India at our peril. I've been afraid of one thing and one thing only. Just as you hinted, despite T20s existence for a while, it was only when BCCI put their weight behind it (due to India winning the trophy), that T20 really took off. Now, I had read that India was going to be one of the top three nations along with England and Australia in terms of number of tests to be played in the next year of ICCs FTP. BUT if India suddenly cannot hold their own and starts getting embarrassed series after series, it could be bad news and the final nail to be hammered in slowly in Test cricket's coffin. I do not think Test cricket is going to survive with India ignoring the format. India is getting increasingly commercial every day, and if India's Test team fails to attract the sponsors, it is not going to be good news for cricket.

    So, for the sake of survival of Test cricket, let's pray and hope that India bounces back from this disaster, within the next series or two. My 2c.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 4:02 GMT

    England has never won in India or SL in past many many years apart from 2001 fluke in SL , lol , India has won everywhere they have went in past few years and just one loss and people write articles and views lendign out jealousy and frustration of years of seeing England beaten all over when they had all England teams , India rocks and will leave this tour away -:P

  • POSTED BY desi1 on | August 21, 2011, 4:01 GMT

    People in India prefer the shorter versions of the game, evident from the empty stadiums in India for the test matches. There are lots of indian fans who are very sad at india's performance in test matches but how many of them actually watch even 70% these test matches, one dayers and Twenty20 have more demand in India and obviously cricketers want to concentrate more on it, what is wrong in it. Rohit Sharma makes more money than VVS Laxman why should he slog hard to improve his technique, to play short balls when he has shortcuts for getting money. The fact is people in India do not watch test matches seriously. They only check the score card once in a while or at the end of the day and curse the cricketers for their failures. If every fan was made to watch a whole test match everyone would have opted for twenty20. Cricketers are choosing Twenty20 because that is better choice for them at this point.

  • POSTED BY AidanFX on | August 21, 2011, 3:56 GMT

    @ RaviChandranS are you for real? Serioulsy! England outplayed India. As much as anything you will ever see. Good teams make their own luck - they create more oppurtunities for themeselves and make less for the opposition. And if you want to blame decisions - blame Dhoni for being such a spoil sport when it comes to the DRP. He is always winging about umpires decisions, including 3rd umpire and vid support. He complains victim stauts like no other captain. Perhaps that has come back to bite him big time.

  • POSTED BY KTiwari on | August 21, 2011, 3:50 GMT

    Pathetic show by Indian team. Some heads should roll after the series otherwise this rot will continue. Places for Tendulkar,Laxman,Raina, Sreesanth, Amit Mishra, Harbhajan, even Sehwag should be challenged. This culture of walking straight into the team after injury should stop. Please need to spend time in the middle before they can go into a match.

    I am quite disillusioned and looking at F1 now, it has Indian team and few Indian drivers and now an Indian circuit so bit better to look for and it will be over in a day not this 5 painful days and happening four times.......

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 3:49 GMT

    india should only play at home. their status of no.1 ranked test team has been exposed and the following odi series will expose their world champion status in odi

  • POSTED BY dr.thirsty on | August 21, 2011, 3:47 GMT

    Well, well, well. Every time you think India has just about reached rock bottom, England throws them a shovel! Still, there's a couple of days left - maybe they can tunnel their way out of this particular hole? No, I don't think so either.

  • POSTED BY blondblackberry on | August 21, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    don't blame ipl the way sachin,laxman play is difficult to digest.poor show may b it happens and some of the injuries put india down atleast five players r out one day or another if u say ipl is the reason u can't play cricket at all.

  • POSTED BY vichan on | August 21, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    @Nick Gentle "welcome to your new reality - world leaders at T20 and rubbish otherwise": Not quite, Nick - England are world champions in T20...

  • POSTED BY Quazar on | August 21, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    If this series doesn't wake the BCCI up, nothing will. And it is up to the fans and the cricket media in India to speak so loudly that the BCCI can't ignore their responsibility to Indian cricket.

  • POSTED BY Meracric on | August 21, 2011, 3:43 GMT

    INDIA & BCCI finally realized that they are highly over rated team. Most of India"s past wins comes from Home games or against weaker opposition. Unless India improve their home pitches to International standard like the one they have to play in England, Australia or South Africa, they will not be able win away series and will not be able to hold their so called No.1 position. IPL has played a big negative part for India's real cricket. Too much IPL has spoiled the real game of Cricket. Let's hope INDIA can do better in ODIs.

  • POSTED BY vichan on | August 21, 2011, 3:34 GMT

    @Mranjan Inthenet "In last 25 years, India always dominated England"... Hmm, in that time England have won 3 series and India 4, with 2 drawn - hardly what I would call "dominated". I'm willing to put on a decent bet that this record will be very much in England's favour in about five years time. Anyway, India's overall Test record against England is laughably poor (16 series defeats in England alone, and counting...)

  • POSTED BY vgsr on | August 21, 2011, 3:34 GMT

    I dont mind India losing , if they put up atleast a semblence of a fight. We are surrendering here, esp, the the vaunted batting !! But if BCCI comes to its senses, some good may come out of this humiliation.

  • POSTED BY desi1 on | August 21, 2011, 3:33 GMT

    People in India prefer the shorter versions of the game, evident from the empty stadiums in India for the test matches. There are lots of indian fans who are very sad at india's performance in test matches but how many of them actually watch even 70% these test matches, one dayers and Twenty20 have more demand in India and obviously cricketers want to concentrate more on it, what is wrong in it. Rohit Sharma makes more money than VVS Laxman why should he slog hard to improve his technique, to play short balls when he has shortcuts for getting money. The fact is people in India do not watch test matches seriously. They only check the score card once in a while or at the end of the day and curse the cricketers for their failures. If every fan was made to watch a whole test match everyone would have opted for twenty20. Cricketers are choosing Twenty20 because that is better choice for them at this point.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 3:28 GMT

    Rahul, Humble request, Save Indias respect. U r the only reliable Indian............................

  • POSTED BY RaviChandranS on | August 21, 2011, 3:22 GMT

    Its really sad to say the least that india is being compared to bangladesh nd zimbabwe and lot more of complain regarding teams ability..

    if u had really seen the matches u wud know how mch the game has been biased .. taufel giving sehwag out lbw for a ball pitched outside the centre line and going to hit the leg stump.

    if we take it for england then the complete top order where out without scoring any runs..

    the wicket of raina was much too harsh on him when his foot was on the line.. kp was out caught twice but third umpire supported the batsmen in the first and fourth test.. he went on to make 200 runs...

    agreed that putting the pressure has not been great from the indian side but this is no way on insulting a team.. fourth test was complete joke on india...

    always look at better things that come up in future..

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    the shame old story is being repeated ... its disgusting to see sachin playing such stupid shot when the need of the hour demanded something else.. his innovative techniques has become his cause of downfall.. 100th hundred is playing on his mind.. suresh raina was looking more like a night watchman than an established batman.. ishant was well equipped than him.. the only remedy is stop the IPL to immediate affect or else bear such humiliations..

  • POSTED BY inswing on | August 21, 2011, 3:17 GMT

    Good article. India deserves nothing but mockery, and the BCCI better think hard about the schedules and work loads. However, I am not so sure that the "methods" of the administrators have a lot to do with English success. Teams go through periods when several players are not performing well simultaneously and the team performs badly. Administrative changes do not fix that, although they my coincide with the arrival of new players or older players coming back into form. It is doubtful that English success in 2010-11 ashes is due to the appointment of a managing director. It has a lot to do with Australia's decline combined with the maturing of several English players.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 3:04 GMT

    This one is to all Sachin fans! Enjoy!

  • POSTED BY citizenkc on | August 21, 2011, 3:04 GMT

    Hammond, you are perfectly right about the overall record of the Indian team against England. It is not one worth boasting about, and clearly Mranjan's statement is without any basis in fact. However, the statement "and will continue to be so for the next 80 years as well" is not worthy of a cricket fan. We don't know what the next years will bring, although as I wrote earlier, the portents for the near future are not good. England is playing excellent cricket now and as fans we should all be glad at the quality of cricket we are seeing from them--irrespective of our national affiliations. Likewise, as fans we should all be dismayed at the showing of the Indian team. Their performance is a detriment to the game and not just to their followers. If we truly love the game then we would all want to see an even contest. Ultimately, I hope we are all fans of the game and not just supporters of our teams.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 3:02 GMT

    This Team India is IPL servant and completely unfit and useless to play International Cricket or Test Cricket. IPL has taken betting to highest level. IPL is not a Cricketing event it is a worst commerical event. Team India and BCCI is completely focussed on IPL. Because of IPL, Team India is losing skill, inspiration, motivation and fitness to play Test Cricket. These curators, coaches and BCCI officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in other tournaments. IPL is completely meaningless and obsolete Tournament. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch between Countries unlike IPL Teams which look like clubs. Test Cricket is ultimate to watch on sportive pitches. But IPL is making these pitches Lifeless.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 3:01 GMT

    Am an Indian fan . England r on top of their game. India never matched them in dis series. hope would come good in ODI and T20..... All the best team India.....

  • POSTED BY MiddleStump on | August 21, 2011, 2:57 GMT

    None of these experts or fans seem to realize the simple truth that a likely whitewash in this series has been brought about by India's bowlers. Instead every writer seems hell bent on talking about Dravid, Tendulkar etc. In reality, they are almost irrelevant to the dismal one sidedness of this series. Even if each of the big three (Dravid, Tendulkar, and Laxman) had turned into Bradman (average 99) and the remaining batsmen contributed another 100 or 150, India's best hope would be to reach 400 or 450. What difference would that make to the final outcome of a test match considering that England is able to score 600 or 700 runs with ease? It is the bowling stupid!

  • POSTED BY BWSHAH1976 on | August 21, 2011, 2:47 GMT

    Whether we like it or not, IPL has ruined Indian test cricket and T20 cricket is going to do the same for other countries. All the indian fans complaining about the IPl, will be the first ones to watch it live. I have been a huge cricket fan all my life and still haven't found myself watching a single match, a single moment of IPL. A tournament where Keiron Pollard is a big star, is not a cricket tournament to me. I do believe that a whitewash is going to be a good thing. Maybe we can get someone with high intelligence into BCCI and start changing things around. We have the talent in our batting department, just bowling needs a lot of help. I really don't understand what is MRF pace academy doing for our fast bowlers?

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 2:46 GMT

    England's batting line up is the best in the world under any circumstances for the test cricket. Bell,trott and cook all of them is very solid and classic test bastman. Strauss is great and peterson, morgan added a bit variety in this line up. Matt prior is the exeptional wc batsman.On the otherhand , english bowling is the 2nd best after south african atack at the moment. I really want to south africa-england battle for the 1st test spot. Over the years, indian's greatest strength was their batting and probably it was the best in the world from 2007 to 10 for the test cricket. However, shewag and gambhir is better batsman in flat wicket . I am not a great fan of sachin either but this guy played well in all the conditions for last 15 years so I am not saying he can't play quality bowling or abroad but should have done better. Honesly i believe laxman and raina cant negotiate with quality fast bowling. They should be kicked out. I really want to see rohit and kohil with classy dravid

  • POSTED BY AidanFX on | August 21, 2011, 2:43 GMT

    Looks like India have this one in the bag again. Having said that; as good as Strauss has led the team; his captaincy is beyond reproach. After having amassed 540 odd runs on the back of losing almost a day to rain - Strauss should have declared at lunch or just prior. Batting on like he did was sub-continent skipper like. I know you believe Test cricket is the pinnacle of the game Strauss - well you need to be comitted to attacking cricket for cricket sake - and not endanger a dead rubber game of being just a boring draw.

  • POSTED BY Gizza on | August 21, 2011, 2:38 GMT

    Another thing to add to my previous comment. England themselves were quite confident is winning in Australia during the 2006/07 Ashes because of their previous victory. I'm pretty sure I remember the Pommie hyping the series up as the battle between No. 1 and No. 2. Other parallels which I forgot to mention in my previous post include the common coach for the visiting team (Fletcher), fitness/injury issues with they key bowlers and some batsmen,

  • POSTED BY CricFan78 on | August 21, 2011, 2:33 GMT

    I must say they have truly become a laughing stock. Since 1st Test I have been waiting for them to show some backbone but barring Dravid and PK no one has stood up and be counted. Its almost as this result doesnt matter at all. A 4-0 will be big blot on CV of VVS, Sehwag, Sachin and Dravid.

  • POSTED BY Swingit on | August 21, 2011, 2:24 GMT

    Sachin does not deserve to get 100 100s, why must he wait for some garbage team or an innings where it is of no help to India to score big? He should be put out to pasture, as one commenter noted he is embarrassing himself. He was always about useless records and still is. Funny how SRT fans are still deluded themselves into thinking that their god is a superior batsman to Lara (or dare equate him to Bradman?). Get a grip. CANTdulkar is now where near the batsmen Prince Lara Sir Viv, or the Great Gavaskar were, in fact this series has finally proved conclusively Dravid NOT SRT is by far India's best batsman and has been so for as long as he has been on that team.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | August 21, 2011, 2:17 GMT

    @kanjithem. Huh? 6 of the top 7 batsmen are over 30!!! How are these guys not seniors??? This isn't masters cricket!!! If you think keeping the geriatric eleven will be a savour then you will be very disappointed and I would suggest a (very) large box of tissues for the next few years.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 2:15 GMT

    BCCI is the richest cricket body but how much of this wealth has been used to improve domestic cricket? The Ranji Trophy has become a joke really and so have the Duleep Trophy and The Irani Trophy. Why, this year the Irani Trophy which was once the premier domestic competition in India coincides with the CLT20. This alone shows how lop-sided the priorities are.No wonder India does not have any bench strength in either Batting, Bowling (Fast and Spin) and the selectors still put on a smug face and say that nothing to worry about. Being an ardent fan of cricket and an Indian, I have resigned myself to the fact that India will be competing with Bangladesh and Zimbawe in the near furure for the wooden spoon.

    How do we, as cricket fans in India help to contribute to stem this rot? I say that we stop attending the IPL matches and begin with the CLT20. Continued abscence of spectators in stadiums will hurt the BCCI financially and this is where the spark to change things will arise

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | August 21, 2011, 2:09 GMT

    At least Dravind can hold his head hight. He has not only shown that class is permanent, but his attention to physical requirements needed has shone out. He must have been shaking his head in total disappointment at the efforts down the other end this series.

  • POSTED BY Buggsy on | August 21, 2011, 2:06 GMT

    @Master01 - England WERE a laughing stock after the 06/07 Ashes campaign. That's the whole point of this article - the team were ridiculed to the point that they had to do something about, and do something they did. The Schofield report is what triggered the about-face of England, the Ashes debacle in Australia last summer had the same effect with the recent Argus report and Andrew Miller is suggesting the same course of action for India. For the sake of the future of test cricket, let's hope BCCI isn't too arrogant and ignorant to do so.

  • POSTED BY MeraBharatMahaan on | August 21, 2011, 2:05 GMT

    Why does Sachin always hide behind in 4th position while real greats like Dravid and Laxman are forced to bat ahead him or open? Why??? Please tell me why?? It doesn't seem like our great Sachin can play good fast bowlers well. How can we call such a batsman great?

  • POSTED BY citizenkc on | August 21, 2011, 2:00 GMT

    If the daily press statements and comments by the likes of Dhoni and Srikkant are anything to go by, nothing has been learned by either the BCCI or the Indian team. They are hoping that our memories are short; they will win a few ODIs and then make hay when the West Indies arrive. They will prepare dead pitches, Sachin will get his century, and all will be forgotten--until we arrive in Australia and are once again exposed for what we are: a mediocre team. Don't be surprised if you don't see a single concrete proposal from the BCCI. Why should they as long as the money keeps coming? Here's one worth trying: create an emerging players program, give young players a 3 year contract (so that they are not tempted to play in the IPL), send them to England to play county cricket, have them tour Aus, SA, etc. and get used to playing overseas. Really, really, really invest time and money in our youth and in the future. This is the only way we are going to emerge from this morass.

  • POSTED BY slakkoju on | August 21, 2011, 2:00 GMT

    Being an Indian cricket fan, better not to follow cricket for some time, if Dhoni thinks Indian cricketers are playing too much cricket, who asked you senior guys to play IPL barely 1 week after long WC.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 1:57 GMT

    last time India won the world cup west indies did same thing to india what england doing to them now LOL.

  • POSTED BY Dannov747 on | August 21, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    I honestly don't want India to collapse tomorrow. I hoped this series would be a close one but I don't think India ever had the right mindset, its actually quite sad. Underprepared and tired the team might be, but they could at least have put up a contest and besides, its the BCCI and the IPL's fault that the players were underprepared and tired. It just seems that with the IPL and ODI matches so popular, India no longer cares for test cricket.

  • POSTED BY petz on | August 21, 2011, 1:48 GMT

    see guys am hard core Indian fan,really feeling petty of India's performance.England are on top of world with a class perfomance ,we have to admit that.Indian bowling is nothing without zaheer,but lot was expecting from batting dept.we thought the likes of lax,gauti,sachin,dravid could easily negotiate england bowlig................ and India didnt have a future player to show even.looks missarable....... Realy money has gone over indian cricket....... selectors should show more courage..........atlest try to build a strong team in future..

  • POSTED BY Hammond on | August 21, 2011, 1:37 GMT

    @Mranjan Inthenet "history tells us that England themselves have been a laughing stock against India" Umm- what history exactly? Since 1932 India have played 103 test matches against England, have won 19 of these. Have played 29 series against England, and have won 9. Of these 9 they won, 6 have been played in India. So to me it looks like India are the overrated joke, the huge laughing stock that has now actually been found out- can't play away from home, can't play the bouncing ball, can't play the swinging ball, can't bowl and can't field. England have been consistently the better test side in the last 80 years, and will continue to be so for the next 80 years as well.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 1:34 GMT

    welcome to your new reality - world leaders at T20 and rubbish otherwise

  • POSTED BY CricketChat on | August 21, 2011, 1:27 GMT

    It is quite apparent from the observations and reactions of cricket writers and fans alike, that India as Test team is gone downhill a lot. The aging stars sans Dravid have lost stomach for fight. Morey worrying is the lack of bench strength. The next 2-3 yrs will be a struggle to find competent replacements for the soon to retire stars.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 1:26 GMT

    I am just amazed by the failure of Indian player and lack of willingness to fight back. They are just bamboozled.

  • POSTED BY Amar_bw on | August 21, 2011, 1:26 GMT

    I even said before the match - Bring Mukund in place of Raina. What is Raina doing in the team when you have a century maker (at least from a practice match). India also needed two spinners. PP Ozha should have been tried in place of RP Singh.

  • POSTED BY Rajdev on | August 21, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    An important factor in the BCCI's power, is the performance of Team India in the last few (particularly couple) of years. England may have found a loophole in the BCCI's clout, by thrashing India 3 to 4-nothing. There will surely be repurcussions for Indian cricket, and surely its impact will be felt in the BCCI. Rajan

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | August 21, 2011, 1:18 GMT

    Over hyped, over paid, over fed and over there.

  • POSTED BY mensan on | August 21, 2011, 1:14 GMT

    @ Thomas Cherian: I agree, BCCI should arrange a series with BAN/ZIM to give Tendulkat a final chance for chance for 100th 100 and retire with respect. Yuvraj has been there for so long and still he is not willing to take a responsible role. @AnotherCricketFan: If indian team is unmotivated, whose fault is this? Does an unmotivated team has any right to be No. 1? @Mranjan Inthenet: Correct yourself. England has certainly won against India during the last 25 years. At the least I remember 1990 series (maybe after that also). Also putting the blame on playing too much is not right. Cricketers are professional and should not complain about workload if they have to spend 120 days on field(1/3rd of the year).

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 1:09 GMT

    So how bad does England need to beat India to get some credit from the Indian fans? Innings and 200 runs? Innings and 1000 runs? :) I have never come across such a lack of good sportsmanship from supporters in the face of defeat!

  • POSTED BY Andigumps on | August 21, 2011, 1:05 GMT

    1st. I thought Duncan got the coaching position because they had a schedule to tour England

    2nd. It was a silly move for not sending entire senior squad to the west Indies

    3rd. u can't have IPL taking up so much of the players energy n wen its time for test cricket they r injure r tired

    4th. Being #1 means and says a lot but if pple keep on saying it don't it's just a number then to u it will not stay

    5th. the cricket board need to search for genuine fast bowler time to change history time to look beyond wat was then

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    Mranjan, you're dreaming. India are not bad, not bad at all, but England are so much better that they are making them look bad. Dravid has been class, but when have you last seen an attack demolish Sehwag, Tendulkar and Laxman? It just doesn't happen. England are good. Very good. They have the best bowling team in the world and the best batting. Chuck in the fact that they are the best fielding unit and you have the best team in world cricket. England will dominate for many years (but I think SA will take the number 1 spot for a brief moment).

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 1:01 GMT

    Mr. Andrew Miller, thanks for reminding that India have become a laughing stock but England faced more assault from Australia and India over last decade and a half. IPL can not be blamed as it has been instrumental in developing Indian team for shorter format of the game. At the moment, taking this series into consideration, England has been a better team in all aspects of the game and Indians have been outclassed by them. There are many things that haven't helped India's cause and I will not use it as an excuse for lack of performance in this series. To put it in a perspective, India haven't played as expected. Also, I would like to mention that that there was never a fuss in India when we won against Sri Lanka on December 6, 2009 to be number one side in the world as I compare with current series. Finally, I would just like to you to note that English team was always at the receiving end, in the past, and it is only since past 18 months that England clicked together as a team.

  • POSTED BY NRI- on | August 21, 2011, 0:44 GMT

    India' most technically adept youngster, Rahul Sharma, was ignored for test cricket despite being by far the best performed in WI against the pace of Fidel Edwards and Ravi Rampaul. Ajinkya Rahane continues to shine as well and these two are not excellent at playing the bouncer but have first class averages above 60. It was a lucky toss to win of course, Swann would not have been as effective on day one and two. But on day one, Anderson, Broad and Bresnan would have been handful. England are esily the best team in world cricket right now, Anderson and Tremlett are among the best ten pace bowlers in the world, Swann is the best spinner in the world, each of Cook, Trott, Bell and Pietersen are among the ten best batsmen in the world and Bresnan and Broad are surely among the top ten allrounders in the world. 9 world beaters. SA are overdependent on Kallis and Steyn whereas England without Trott & Tremlett have looked formidable. Like Australia, India should sack the chairman Srikannth

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:44 GMT

    Indian players played too much cricket, for the benefit of a money churning body run by seasoned politicians and lawyers. Because of that, India is so off colour that it is hard to understand if England is really good or just looking good comparably. Because history tells us that England themselves have been a loughing stock against India. In recent years they have lost almost always to India. One bad series. That's it. England will overreact though, because it is there only success against india in last 25 years or so.

  • POSTED BY Silloh on | August 21, 2011, 0:42 GMT

    If India prevents a whitewash it will be nothing short of a miracle. How can a team dis integrate and lack all the spunk that is expected of a side, ranked number one prior to this test series. Is it that England is really that great and outstanding or India has self destruct because of all the IPL focus, or their players are injured and their reserves are dry, or there are internal problems within the team ? Whatever, the derogatory comments being made are quite harsh but justified as this team, with the exception of Dravid, has virtually desecrated the game of Test cricket .With over a billion persons, it is inconceivable to accept that this is the best when it comes to India's cricket reserves which appear to be dry. But for now congrats England ! It has been sheer hard team work over time by the English. Hopefully in the not too distant future, India will rise again. All test playing nations have suffered the same faith at some time. How the recovery is managed is what matters

  • POSTED BY kanjithem on | August 21, 2011, 0:40 GMT

    I am not disagreeing with you, RAVI_BOPARA, but you need to also scan the stats. In the current Indian team, there are 3 seniors (only) and 8 young 'uns. The only one to shine has been one of the seniors. Not a single one of the younger brigade has done anything noteworthy. Have you given thought to the possibility that their administration's aim was to mix age with youth, and to then slowly phase the older ones out - 3:8, 2:9, 1:10 and 0:11. In this series, they have collectively, failed miserably to compete. This disaster has nothing to do with age - it may have more to do with psyche and the fact that England, over the last few years, have had an objective. If, for their next assignment, the Indian team is comprised of 11 players from the younger generation, and if they fail as miserable, who do they then fill their team with - the Indian Schoolboy champions team?!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:36 GMT

    True, this is the worst series for India, due to playing too much cricket this year, but one should not judge by one series. England looking good, but we don't know if they are really good, or just because Indian players are tired. We should not react more than we need to. In last 25 years, India always dominated England. Take stock of the last 25 year and see who has been the loughing stock. Things go up and down. These indian batsmen with sufficient rest can clutter english bowlers for 6 sixes in over, or handover a Test series whitewash, as they have done in recent past.

  • POSTED BY HazimEjaz on | August 21, 2011, 0:35 GMT

    India....hahahahah.....a laughing stock for real.

  • POSTED BY East_West on | August 21, 2011, 0:35 GMT

    Sohel- where are you watching/reading? There are so many indian fans criticizing their own team and of course they are some who still are living in a fool's paradise!! so don't blame every indian fan!!! we are more disgusted with our #1 hyped fake team than you:)

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:33 GMT

    Wait a moment, what happened to the mighty come back from India and the 3-1 win that India were going to serve up against England? this is what these Indian fans were claiming and now they've gone all "turn coat" on us!

  • POSTED BY mensan on | August 21, 2011, 0:32 GMT

    I think talk about under-preparation should be over now. This is India's 6th match on tour and if they are still "under-prepared", I wonder how long they will need to be "prepared". Rain may still save India from 4-0 whitewash. The final day has rain forecasts.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:32 GMT

    It is a sad thing to see India humiliated like this. They have no excuse other than their lack of commitment and concentration. They never looked like a Number 1 ranked team. We knew that the bowling line up was weak, but the batsmen haven't lived up to their expectation. Even in the series in the west Indies, the Indian batsmen struggled to muster 200 runs. England has capitalized on India's weak bowling line up, and they have slaughtered any resistance left in the Indian batting line up.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | August 21, 2011, 0:31 GMT

    Good to see Miller not talking up England into the clouds for once. Tendulkar has now become a joke and should retire immediately. He is embarrassing himself now.

  • POSTED BY East_West on | August 21, 2011, 0:31 GMT

    Andrew - Finally this is my kind of Title - as an Indian, I am ashamed to see the way India is going down the toilet - except Dravid no one has showed a SPINE! We have seen indian media and indian cricketers themselves rating as the BEST AGAINST SPIN, the BEST against everything, Fab 3, Sehwag the Savior..all these adjectives are useless! I thought at least these socalled hyped cricketers learnt a lesson after the first innings of first test, but nah! they never and now they don't even care! My 3 year old kid was watching the game with me, and guess what he asked, I thought India is #1 test team but how come no one is staying with the bat [ in his language one with bat stays at the crease] whereas other team is playing too long [in his language - you got it don't you]!!! When I was a kid I watched Graham Gooch, Mike Gatting played for days without getting out....anyone remember those innings ??? These tests reminded me that!!! England, you folks deserve the BEST and good luck!

  • POSTED BY Hammond on | August 21, 2011, 0:29 GMT

    @ AnotherCricketFan- I don't thing England cares about the ODI series. Wouldn't surprise me if they play all their younger players just to practice against this weak Indian bowling line up. And one thing is for sure- England will certainly not be 3-0 facing a whitewash when they play against India at home next. No matter how much the pitches are doctored.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:28 GMT

    R they really the laughing stock of the wrld? Maybe not. Will they be whitewashed? All the signs r there. Raina sums up India's future & SRT is telling us an era is coming to an end. R u still going to down play the negatives of the IPL. India's formidable attacks were spin base. India were r yr great spinners? Ask IPL. The 20/20 format doesn't encourage spin bowling. Check the way Bhajji & Mishra now bowl as agst the way Swann bowls & tell me later.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:28 GMT

    Andrew's absolutely correct: Indian cricket is in an almighty hole (of its own making) at the moment. In Test match terms, it's begun a tailspin to oblivion: none of the batsmen - Vijay, Mukund, Raina, Yuvraj or Kohli - earmarked to replace its fading stars have the faintest idea how to play the genuine pace & swing they'll encounter in every country outside the subcontinent, its bowling bench strength amounts to a big fat zero, the containment-oriented ethos of the IPL has ensured that every promising Indian bowler has defence on his mind rather than attack &, worst of all, there's just no fight & no guts at the heart of the Indian team anymore. It wouldn't surprise me if they slip back to No. 6 or 7 in the Test rankings over the course of the next two/three years.

  • POSTED BY The_Wog on | August 21, 2011, 0:25 GMT

    It's not the India lost - it's that they lost with basically 9 of their 11 playing HORRIBLY.

  • POSTED BY Iyer on | August 21, 2011, 0:23 GMT

    I got nothing more to comment than to agree 100% to what Ali abbas has written. Ali, thanks for making my job simple!

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:16 GMT

    What the hell are the team management playing at? Mukund should have been playing in this test and not Raina. He was involved in the highest opening partnership of the series scored a century at Northants and would have given India the option of dropping Shewag to number six or as events have panned out opening in place of Gambhir. Raina is not an international player of test match standard. It is also apparent that Laxman is a spent force and Kholi should have been in the team if only to give him test match experience . Khoili would also have given the fielding a big boost. The selectors have also left the best spinner India have namely Ashwin at home together with some raw pace talent who could be worse than Sreshant and an unfit RP.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:14 GMT

    An injured over aged Akhtar is better than all of India bowling line up.

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | August 21, 2011, 0:14 GMT

    I know that Indian fans believe that their team played badly and some share AnotherCricketFan's completely groundless belief that England will struggle in sub-continental conditions (like Australia is struggling in Sri Lanka?). I am surprised to find an English cricket writer reinforcing that belief and writing a complete article without mentioning that this might be the best England side ever. India, in their three test series before this one, beat Australia in India and drew with and beat South Africa and WI respectively in their own countries. That's not the kind of form which warrants this article. Sure, very few of the Indian players have had series they will want to remember, but it is because they came up against a much better side. Today Graeme Swann showed that England are better than India in every department including spin bowling. What is disturbing for India is not this defeat, it is that their great players will soon all be gone- and there's no-one to replace them.

  • POSTED BY lananad on | August 21, 2011, 0:11 GMT

    Highly overated Indian Team. Come on Sachin now s the time team needs you. At least before you end your career win some crucial games for your country.

  • POSTED BY on | August 21, 2011, 0:11 GMT

    are these the number one guys who have played so many many n many cricket comparing from another cricketer? just look at them, all those runs, records n efforts are of no use if u can't even score 300 runs in 6 innings. its more than a shame for those Indian kindergarten team. what are they proud of? likes of Sachin, Dravid, VVX and etc, well they have been visiting England for yrs n yrs n series now so better not make any atmosphere or conditions issue. For God sake get out this bloody overseas conditions mind set.

  • POSTED BY merchant187 on | August 21, 2011, 0:08 GMT

    Ah well TEST cricket is getting boring n boring ... nobody cares about TEST cricket... nowadays its all about ODI and T20's... TEST vanish in near future for sure.. DOES not matter ENGLAND wins or INDIA or Australia or Pakistan or any other country in TEST nobody has 5 days to waste .. T20's is the best bet and easy worth the money and time.. who wants to see 100 scored in like 200 0r 250 balls.. we like to see 100 scored in 50 - 60 balls like in T20's and sometimes in ODI's. They should eliminate Test cricket what a waste of time .. anyways they dont make money of it.. they should more n more T20's and ODI tournaments which are way way more entertaining and Thrilling.Seing batsmen strike rates more than 100+ is more entertaining... TEST is for retired folks who have whole lot time in there hand.... watching Highlights of TEST cricket is also so boring ... Eliminate TEST.. bring on the UNDERDOG nations in ODI's and T20's and then see how popular it becomes... like Football... Basketbal

  • POSTED BY forcricket on | August 21, 2011, 0:04 GMT

    Great article Andrew but who is ready to make tough decisions? Everyone including administrators, players, public will shamelessly indulge in champions league shortly after this debacle. Only good thing to happened in India recently is one major sponcerer Airtel turning away from cricket. It is really over dose here. Players & public do not have time to reflect back on what happened in last series, doesn't mean if it is world cup victory or series whitewash in England. Let's hope that common sense will prevail someday. This loss of quality is really hurting.

  • POSTED BY StopSmoking on | August 21, 2011, 0:03 GMT

    Yeh, I agree. Let's just ban Indian team. Let's all boycott BCCI and stop playing cricket with them. Btw. Where was the laughing stalk piece for England when they were losers. Oh Australia were too strong at that time! but this time England aren't strong team, India is loser. Right? Ok. Cricinfo and Miller I will remember this piece. (Ooooh let's just mock Indian team haha!, let's just throw stone when they are down, yehhhhhhhhhhh so much fun.)

  • POSTED BY RAVI_BOPARA on | August 20, 2011, 23:59 GMT

    ENGLAND ARE THE BEST IN THE HOLE WORLD AND THE NATION IS PROUD.... INDIA LOOK WORSE THAT BANGLADESH AT THE CURRENT STATE!!! SACK DHONI AS SKIPPER, BRING IN YOUTH!!! THATS WHAT INDIA NEEDS RIGHT NOW!!!

  • POSTED BY LivingDead on | August 20, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    @Thomas: You read the whole article and still didn't get the gist of it. Or may be you didn't read it all ! Still criticizing the players! BCCI is the real culprit here- poor series planning, horrendous talent management and absurd cricket calendar. Despite of all this India was able to become and maintain No. 1 position for so long is a credit to these players you criticize.

  • POSTED BY srtt on | August 20, 2011, 23:56 GMT

    Just holding on to those great players is a backward step. And now i've seen Dravid recalled for the ODIs. India just proved they never had the metal for being # 1 shekar ramlal.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:55 GMT

    One is bewildered why Kohli was not picked for the 5th Test after Raina's repeated failures, why Munaf didn't play instead of RP Singh and why Ojha did not repalce Sreesanth to provide a double-spin attack. Probably would not have mattered at the end of the day but why blindly play the same eleven with the only change being an egregiously wrong one.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:55 GMT

    Excellent, Mr. Miller. Thanks for this. The problem, however, is that the BCCI is both venal and shameless, and that combination makes it unlikely that being mocked will have any effect. The basics of the problem - the need for a sane schedule, the need for a healthy structure of domestic First Class cricket - have been plain for years. But to see the obvious, one needs to extract the head from the posterior, and the BCCI is incapable of such exertions.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:54 GMT

    I don't see the Indians coming back from this too soon. The bloody thing is that because the Indians play so much cricket they usually don't have enough time to think what and where they go through. As soon as this ends the BCCI will have them set on another assignment. The most India can hopefully do is try and draw some matches against the Aussies in December. I don't have words to express how I feel as an Indian fan. It is so very disappointing. I might be joining one of my friends in supporting one of the football clubs since I can't bear this humiliation any more. It is also pretty sad that BCCI instead of seeing the root of this problems keeps telling the press that this is like any other series and India will comeback in eventually.

  • POSTED BY kanjithem on | August 20, 2011, 23:53 GMT

    After this humiliation, Indian cricket, in my opinion, will relapse to the position in world cricket that it occupied in the 20th century. Don't get me wrong - I am a fan of Indian cricket, but realities must be faced. In addition, after years of being dictated to, in its zenith over the last few years, the BCCI had yielded its power contemptuously - it made hay while the sun shone. That sun may soon be disappearing, and the knives will be out when this happens. If India performs just as disastrously in Australia later this year, the last rites will be performed. The BCCI and the Indian players must think hard, and they must do it today. Obscurity awaits if you don't.

  • POSTED BY Sanj747 on | August 20, 2011, 23:42 GMT

    What a pathetic team. Highly overrated. An embarassment. Flat track bullies. Tendulkar as usual can never score runs when the team needs a batsman to stay in. Dravid is the best batsman the Indians have produced in decades. A true rock and world class.

  • POSTED BY sohel_edinburgh_BD on | August 20, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    The title sums up the total picture of this series..being the best 2 sides of test cricket, we , true cricket lovers, expected some TOUGH matches but are utterly disappointed..this series wont be a good advocate for test cricket. Who to blame? BCCI/ICC offcourse .I am also pretty surprised to see no comments from indian fans, who left the forum for this series and more willing to comments on Bangladesh's performance against Zimbabwe..I must admit Bangladesh is performing below par this series, but its not the distant past that India was truly appalling in away series, let alone this one (which the big 3 must want2forget except Dravid).It would be interesting though to see how England would perform in testing grounds( outside their comfort zones) in subcontinent soils..that would be the true test for Bell, Anderson, Tremlett and Broad (I'm pretty confident Bresnnan would be the most successful on those conditions). best of luck-like the spirit and professionalism of this team

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:38 GMT

    Well, all very well written but India seems to have a bigger problem than England or Australia ever had. The problem in Indian system is that they can never ignore their stars as BCCI and all the stakeholders in Indian cricket have marketed their players more than they have marketed their game to the world. All the stats Shastri or Gavaskar will talk about revolve their players rather than their team. In India players are bigger than game and they would never be treated the way they should have been. If Waseem Jaffer performs consistently better than Sehwag in domestic cricket, it will not matter because Sehwag will be selected without any doubt regardless of his current performances. This is the dilemna of Indian system. What exactly going to happen is, sacking of some selectors at max. Nothing else. This same team will beat under par West Indies in INDIA and all will be forgotten.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:37 GMT

    now a days Zimbabwe team can easily beat india.worst world champion ever scene.

  • POSTED BY AnotherCricketFan on | August 20, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    We still have the ODI series. India has to establish itself back on the ODI format. And then when Eng visits India this fall they will be facing the same type of home-team-friendly pitches where Yuvraj and Raina will teach them a lesson or two - like Ireland showed them.

    This series whitewash is a kick in the butt. No one disagrees. But don't attribute it to England's supremacy it was India's lacklusture playing. English team was reeling in the first two tests. BCCI was cocky to go with a unfit Zaheer and did not have proper backup in their already weak bowling department.

    They relied on their star batsmen - who all failed to click - Gambhir, Sehwag

    So it was not Englands win but more of Indias loss

  • POSTED BY AnotherCricketFan on | August 20, 2011, 23:22 GMT

    This was interesting to read until the Fletcher praises started to rain in. Come on STOP it. That is belittling the successful former coach Kristen. He was able to knit the team so well to lead them to WC victory and Test #1 on the back of everyone. Fletcher did not win BIG for England and has started so badly for India (including the WI tour where Ind shd have won 3-0). Fletcher and oldies like him (Greg Chappel is another) are not the ones who Indians need as coach. And surely, Fletcher can claim credit for current English success (the Ashes (beating an ageing team), the WC QF loss and loss to Irenland is conveniently ignored here) is based on the players peaking. Only last season one questioned the talent of Matt Prior but today under HOME conditions he is the next Gilchrist. KP is another - people wrote him off even during the SL tour this season. England was lucky and opportunistic. They did beat a unmotivated Indian team - which had no where to go but down!

  • POSTED BY Master01 on | August 20, 2011, 23:21 GMT

    So were England a laughing stocl after the Ashes whitewash? Show some respect, this is very poor journalism

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:16 GMT

    Maybe we can call Bangladesh or Zimbabwe to show up so sachin can get his hundred and Indian fans send him off to sunset. It is time young blood and people who can face the ball are admiited. These tour should be final nail in coffin for players like Raina, Yuvraj as far as test ambitions go. So should it be for Harbhajan who coped out knowing he will have no chance for any success and come back on indian dirt tracks against mediocore battings and talk about his 400 wickets. HS has other than for sporadic displays outside sub continent has been a failure in test cricket.....this was bound to happen..

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  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:16 GMT

    Maybe we can call Bangladesh or Zimbabwe to show up so sachin can get his hundred and Indian fans send him off to sunset. It is time young blood and people who can face the ball are admiited. These tour should be final nail in coffin for players like Raina, Yuvraj as far as test ambitions go. So should it be for Harbhajan who coped out knowing he will have no chance for any success and come back on indian dirt tracks against mediocore battings and talk about his 400 wickets. HS has other than for sporadic displays outside sub continent has been a failure in test cricket.....this was bound to happen..

  • POSTED BY Master01 on | August 20, 2011, 23:21 GMT

    So were England a laughing stocl after the Ashes whitewash? Show some respect, this is very poor journalism

  • POSTED BY AnotherCricketFan on | August 20, 2011, 23:22 GMT

    This was interesting to read until the Fletcher praises started to rain in. Come on STOP it. That is belittling the successful former coach Kristen. He was able to knit the team so well to lead them to WC victory and Test #1 on the back of everyone. Fletcher did not win BIG for England and has started so badly for India (including the WI tour where Ind shd have won 3-0). Fletcher and oldies like him (Greg Chappel is another) are not the ones who Indians need as coach. And surely, Fletcher can claim credit for current English success (the Ashes (beating an ageing team), the WC QF loss and loss to Irenland is conveniently ignored here) is based on the players peaking. Only last season one questioned the talent of Matt Prior but today under HOME conditions he is the next Gilchrist. KP is another - people wrote him off even during the SL tour this season. England was lucky and opportunistic. They did beat a unmotivated Indian team - which had no where to go but down!

  • POSTED BY AnotherCricketFan on | August 20, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    We still have the ODI series. India has to establish itself back on the ODI format. And then when Eng visits India this fall they will be facing the same type of home-team-friendly pitches where Yuvraj and Raina will teach them a lesson or two - like Ireland showed them.

    This series whitewash is a kick in the butt. No one disagrees. But don't attribute it to England's supremacy it was India's lacklusture playing. English team was reeling in the first two tests. BCCI was cocky to go with a unfit Zaheer and did not have proper backup in their already weak bowling department.

    They relied on their star batsmen - who all failed to click - Gambhir, Sehwag

    So it was not Englands win but more of Indias loss

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:37 GMT

    now a days Zimbabwe team can easily beat india.worst world champion ever scene.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:38 GMT

    Well, all very well written but India seems to have a bigger problem than England or Australia ever had. The problem in Indian system is that they can never ignore their stars as BCCI and all the stakeholders in Indian cricket have marketed their players more than they have marketed their game to the world. All the stats Shastri or Gavaskar will talk about revolve their players rather than their team. In India players are bigger than game and they would never be treated the way they should have been. If Waseem Jaffer performs consistently better than Sehwag in domestic cricket, it will not matter because Sehwag will be selected without any doubt regardless of his current performances. This is the dilemna of Indian system. What exactly going to happen is, sacking of some selectors at max. Nothing else. This same team will beat under par West Indies in INDIA and all will be forgotten.

  • POSTED BY sohel_edinburgh_BD on | August 20, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    The title sums up the total picture of this series..being the best 2 sides of test cricket, we , true cricket lovers, expected some TOUGH matches but are utterly disappointed..this series wont be a good advocate for test cricket. Who to blame? BCCI/ICC offcourse .I am also pretty surprised to see no comments from indian fans, who left the forum for this series and more willing to comments on Bangladesh's performance against Zimbabwe..I must admit Bangladesh is performing below par this series, but its not the distant past that India was truly appalling in away series, let alone this one (which the big 3 must want2forget except Dravid).It would be interesting though to see how England would perform in testing grounds( outside their comfort zones) in subcontinent soils..that would be the true test for Bell, Anderson, Tremlett and Broad (I'm pretty confident Bresnnan would be the most successful on those conditions). best of luck-like the spirit and professionalism of this team

  • POSTED BY Sanj747 on | August 20, 2011, 23:42 GMT

    What a pathetic team. Highly overrated. An embarassment. Flat track bullies. Tendulkar as usual can never score runs when the team needs a batsman to stay in. Dravid is the best batsman the Indians have produced in decades. A true rock and world class.

  • POSTED BY kanjithem on | August 20, 2011, 23:53 GMT

    After this humiliation, Indian cricket, in my opinion, will relapse to the position in world cricket that it occupied in the 20th century. Don't get me wrong - I am a fan of Indian cricket, but realities must be faced. In addition, after years of being dictated to, in its zenith over the last few years, the BCCI had yielded its power contemptuously - it made hay while the sun shone. That sun may soon be disappearing, and the knives will be out when this happens. If India performs just as disastrously in Australia later this year, the last rites will be performed. The BCCI and the Indian players must think hard, and they must do it today. Obscurity awaits if you don't.

  • POSTED BY on | August 20, 2011, 23:54 GMT

    I don't see the Indians coming back from this too soon. The bloody thing is that because the Indians play so much cricket they usually don't have enough time to think what and where they go through. As soon as this ends the BCCI will have them set on another assignment. The most India can hopefully do is try and draw some matches against the Aussies in December. I don't have words to express how I feel as an Indian fan. It is so very disappointing. I might be joining one of my friends in supporting one of the football clubs since I can't bear this humiliation any more. It is also pretty sad that BCCI instead of seeing the root of this problems keeps telling the press that this is like any other series and India will comeback in eventually.