England v India, Only Twenty20, Old Trafford

Morgan and Dernbach star in victory

The Report by Andrew Miller

August 31, 2011

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England 169 for 4 (Morgan 49) beat India 165 (Rahane 61, Dernbach 4-22) by six wickets
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Eoin Morgan made a superb 49 to guide England, England v India, Twenty20, Old Trafford, August 31, 2011
Eoin Morgan was, once again, the key to an England run chase with a thrilling 49 © Getty Images
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Eoin Morgan and Jade Dernbach, England's matchwinners in their jaunt to Ireland earlier in the week, once again produced their one-day best as England scraped home by six wickets in a tense Twenty20 against India at Old Trafford. Morgan made 49 from 27 balls to break the back of a stiff 166-run target, after Dernbach's array of slower balls and yorkers had stopped India's big hitters in their tracks with career-best figures of 4 for 22 from 3.4 overs.

On a sluggish pitch, India chose to bat first and posted a competitive total of 165, thanks largely to an eye-catching 61 from 39 balls from the debutant Ajinkya Rahane. Rahul Dravid, in his first and last Twenty20 international appearance, smacked three consecutive sixes off Samit Patel to turn a previously laborious knock into a sprightly 31 from 21, while Suresh Raina put his miserable Test series to one side with a useful 33 from 19.

Dernbach and Morgan, however, produced the day's most captivating performances, and thanks to their combined efforts, England appeared to have the game in the bag with 32 runs still required from the final 29 deliveries of the contest. However, an exceptional 19th over from Munaf Patel went for just three runs, as Patel smashed his bat in two with an attempted cover drive, before Ravi Bopara was suckered by Munaf's line outside off and struggled to put bat on ball.

Needing ten from the final over, England then had a stroke of major fortune when umpire Rob Bailey erroneously called wide when Vinay Kumar pitched his first delivery just inside the tramlines. Suitably buoyed, Patel then squeezed a pair of fours through third man before sealing the match with a lofted drive over extra cover with three balls of the contest remaining.

England's innings had started ignominiously when the debutant Alex Hales - whose only other slice of the action had been a juggled catch at long-on which deflected off his shoulder - was suckered by Praveen Kumar's command of swing and pinned lbw for a second-ball duck. After three of their Powerplay overs England were floundering on 17 for 1, with a hyperactive Kevin Pietersen inside-edging their only boundary through third man, and they scarcely looked any more composed when Pietersen was dropped by a diving Parthiv Patel at third man.

Two balls later Craig Kieswetter found a thick edge for six off Munaf, and it wasn't until Pietersen whistled a conventional pull through square leg that their innings really found its feet. Vinay was muscled expertly through the covers twice in four balls by Kieswetter, before R Ashwin's first nine-ball over was bookended by two more Pietersen boundaries. At 58 for 1 after six, England were suddenly up and running.

Smart stats

  • The target of 166 is the second-highest chased by England in Twenty-20 internationals. Their highest successfully-chased target is 170 against West Indies in 2007.
  • The 73-run stand between Eoin Morgan and Ravi Bopara is the second-highest for the fourth wicket for England in Twenty-20 internationals.
  • Ajinkya Rahane's 61 is the second-highest score by an Indian batsman against England in a Twenty-20 international.
  • Rahane's 61 is also the highest score by an Indian batsman on debut in a Twenty-20 international. The highest remains Ricky Ponting's 98 against New Zealand in 2005.
  • The 65-run stand between Rahul Dravid and Rahane is the fourth-highest second-wicket stand for India in Twenty-20 internationals.
  • India's 165 is their second-highest total against England and their sixth-highest overall (first innings only).
  • From a total of 104 for 2, India lost the last eight wickets for 61 runs. The 61-run aggregate from the third wicket to the tenth wicket is the lowest for India in Twenty-20 internationals.

That solid position was dented twice in the next seven balls, however. First Kieswetter holed out to short cover, then Pietersen's international summer was ended by a flash of inspiration from MS Dhoni, who moved down the leg side to gather a swinging delivery from the part-timer Virat Kohli, and whipped off the bails as Pietersen toppled out of his crease. He was gone for 33 from 23 balls, and at 60 for 3 after 7.1 overs, England were suddenly tottering.

It didn't take Morgan long to find his range, however. After seeing out Kohli's over, he drilled his first three balls from Rohit Sharma for four, four, six - two threaded cover-drives and a massive mow over deep midwicket. He added two more fours in Kohli's next two overs, then marked the resumption of play after a lengthy delay by clipping a Praveen full-toss off his pads through fine leg.

At the other end, Bopara struggled to match either Morgan's poise or placement, as he was made to wait 24 deliveries before cuffing his first boundary through deep midwicket off Ashwin. But while Morgan was in the zone, all he needed to do was stay with his partner. The pair added 73 for the fourth wicket in 8.1 overs, before Morgan was sweetly caught at point by Sharma. The decision required ratification from the third umpire, but was never seriously in doubt. And nor, at that stage, was the result.

Bopara's unconvincing 31 from 36 balls allowed India to regain a toe-hold in the game, and it wasn't the only aspect of England's performance that lacked conviction. Earlier, the notion of unsettling India's openers with the short ball backfired spectacularly as Rahane unveiled a range of cultured but aggressive strokes, including four fours in Stuart Broad's first two overs. His first-class average of 67 points to a player with a rounded technique that can cope with all eventualities, and as India muscled along to 49 for 1 in the six-over Powerplay, their prospects looked sky-high.

Bopara ended a second-wicket stand of 65 in seven overs when Dravid's debut ended with a drill to short extra cover. Five balls later, Rahane was on his way as well, as Dernbach at third man pocketed a cramped uppercut off Broad. Kohli came and went in the same Broad over as he flung his bat at a lifter outside off, and when Graeme Swann had Sharma stumped for 1, India had lost four wickets in 16 balls.

The stage was set for Raina, whose Test series had ended in such ignominy with a 42-ball pair at The Oval. His struggles against the short ball had been a recurring theme of the summer, although he proved a point of sorts by smashing a Broad bouncer with alacrity over midwicket for six. Two more sixes off Tim Bresnan gave India's innings a late lift, but Dernbach's variations were too cunning for the tail. India were bowled out with two balls of their allocation remaining, and how vital would those prove to be in the final analysis?

Innings Dot balls 4s 6s PP1 16-20 overs NB/Wides
India 49 14 9 49/1 36/5 0/3
England 44 19 2 58/1 35/1 0/6

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Posted by arshad817 on (September 3, 2011, 4:32 GMT)

That was rude man @ Arshad Siddique

Posted by   on (September 3, 2011, 0:03 GMT)


Posted by puneet_usa on (September 2, 2011, 20:29 GMT)

Pardon my spellings in the previous posts- Have been having trobule with my Keyboard,Should have done done a final revision before sending it to post--PETE MUNDAY- lets put aside any emotioal attachement as far as supporting our home teams-I am looking forward to a much improved display from indian team in this ODI series and have already witnessed some signs---It would be great to end the tour on a winning note- Again empahising the fact this team is different than all the previous Indian Teams because they will fight back...

Posted by puneet_usa on (September 2, 2011, 18:08 GMT)

@BOBMARTIN- I fully agree with your views--All i have been saying is that Indian Teams of past use to be only potential threat to any opponent in their own backyards- Since Gary and Dhoni took over India's command- IT improved their record at vrious location while visiting higher ranked teams-Hard work paid off with a World Cup Glory as well-- Again i am not taking any credit away from the England Team but i would say that english team have to prove that while visiting sub continent- on vicously turning pitches- then they will have some nighmares like Shane Warne had-famed- best spinner in world then- Because the bottom line is if Indians are not that great in dealing genuine seam and swing bowling- England is no way near tackling Genuine SPIN- will struggle like any other team did while viviting subcontinent- I tried this time to give a very honest opinion from cricket point of view--All in all i have a feeling that india will be able to take this series by 3-2 if not 4-1 or 5-0.....

Posted by   on (September 2, 2011, 17:57 GMT)

puneet_usa Do you even follow test cricket ! England are not going through a purple patch , they have got to the number one ranking not because they thrashed a hopeless Indian side but because of increasingly good performances over the last 2 years. If you want to make boastfull predictions based on past history then more fool you but you reallyshould take note of whats happening right now..England are not currentlya good one day side but have visionary and highly professional management , they will improve , can you honestly say the same of India.

Posted by bobmartin on (September 2, 2011, 16:20 GMT)

puneet_usa on (September 02 2011, 13:36 PM GMT)

"I am looking forward to England going back to their good old ways of choking after hitting a purple patch for a little while"

You mean like India did in the tests and T20. And I might remind you that India are NOT ODI world champions... they have merely won a single competition and are holders of the ODI world cup... The current ODI table toppers are Australia with India at number three... which is a far better reflection of their relative status than the world cup...where you only play a selection of the top teams over a limited period and all on your home grounds.... whereas the iCC table is calculated over a period of years of playing both home and away... So let's not try to make holding the world cup something that it isn't... But there again, if it gives you some consolation for the thrashing you've recently been handed, then go ahead.

Posted by Jaggadaaku on (September 2, 2011, 16:11 GMT)

India, especially, Mr. Dhoni forgot how to win the matches. Your honeymoon is over buddy. Grow up. Once every nation was defeating England, and look at them now. No nation has gut to survive against England. They cannot always argue that they don't have good bowlers. They already have enough time to select their bowlers, but they never work on that. Every time they select Ishant, Sreesanth, Munaf, Zaheer, and Harbhajan, no matter they did not perform well in recent series. India's all specialized bowlers bowling averages are more that 30 runs per wicket. If any specialized bowlers bowling average more than 30 runs in any other team-AUS, ENG, PAK, SL, SA, won't survive. But generous-India keep giving them chances. What is this? Is it a salvation army or what?

Posted by puneet_usa on (September 2, 2011, 13:36 GMT)

I am looking forward to England going back to their good old ways of choking after hitting a purple patch for a little while and India on the other hand making England a one sided series lesson from current World Champions- Its gonno bleed "Blue" Aagain....and that will be a fitting end to an over rate-over hyped Enland series---!!!!!

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (September 2, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

Great. So, India can't bat out 20 overs. What a shame! Please remove Dhoni. He is a huge liability at that critical position in the batting line-up and that critical position behind the stumps. His Captaincy? Well, atrocious. Please bring in Dinesh Karthik, a wicket-keeper batsman beyond compare.

Posted by DINESHCC on (September 2, 2011, 5:55 GMT)


Posted by devmsct on (September 2, 2011, 5:00 GMT)

What Indian team going through is the similar situation that Australia went through...pbly going through as well. Fortunately BCCI has more formats and series to take proactive measure not to loose the momentum.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2011, 3:31 GMT)

India/Dhoni should give away the myth of batting first is better option. They dont know what is good total or they will get all out many times. When you win toss, bowl first and chase as per target. This will increase the chances immensely.

Posted by bMike on (September 2, 2011, 3:23 GMT)

India don't have home advantage and dew in England that they had in world cup. So how come India win? nothing to worry face the reality.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 22:28 GMT)

Gutted after the loss. Why cant india play out 20overs?Disgusting. Throw out vinay. He doesnt belong to international arena. Get aaron to play all 5 games. Srt will b in for parthiv.Rest of the team shd b same. Bt i think msd in all probability will bring in jadeja for rohit sharma

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 20:02 GMT)

I am very disappointed in the team selection... why do they always have to include young players in the T20 squads...First of all I don't get the point of handing Alex Hales and Jos Butler their limited overs debut when Trott and Bell could have easily completed the line-up... why didn't they use Jonathan Trott and Ian Bell for this T20I? it just doesn't make sense... Rahul Dravid who is about to retire from ODIs makes his T20I debut, now where's the logic in that... he should have made his debut a while back... Sachin Tendulkar would have been a better replacement...

Posted by Texmex on (September 1, 2011, 17:10 GMT)

I hope Amit Mishra plays as an all rounder for the ODIs. He is a better batsman and a better bowler than Raina. Jadeja is poor against short ball - check the 2009 T20 in Eng he struggled and was the main reason for losing. But Dhoni likes both Raina and Jadeja........

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 16:54 GMT)

actually i think india is depeliting and they r nt performing as a world champion,and once we have won the wc 2011 the players desire and hunger 2 win is getting over nd i suggest bcci 2 watch out as v r the current champs so our players shld perform lyk that...and dnt thnk if we hav won this wc so v dnt hav 2 play consistantly,this approach shld b dismissed among the players nt shld go fr every wc which l come in coming years...so india buck up v hav mountain 2 climb..........!

Posted by Legster on (September 1, 2011, 16:51 GMT)

Bopara and Patel foreign players? Now I've seen it all! Bopara was born in Newham in London, which by the way is in England, and was brought up in England. Samit Patel was born in Leicester, which is also in England.

Hira02 , your comment is not only way wrong but also, dare I say it, involves racist overtones, the fact that Bopara are Patel are of Asian/Indian ethnicity and descent does not make them foreign, is this concept beyond your comprehension?

Posted by MENDIS_Forever on (September 1, 2011, 16:34 GMT)

well..welll inda..well well our srilanka..subcontinent rox.for nothing!

Posted by Boycott246 on (September 1, 2011, 16:17 GMT)

There were thousands of Anglo-Indians in the crowd yesterday, all supporting India. Maybe the Indian board should begin mining that seam.

@dicky_boy: I seem to recall that England played pretty well in Australian conditions recently, and in NZ, 07/08: SA, 04/05 etc, etc.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 16:04 GMT)

somebody said that dhoni's time is over,r they know who is dhoni

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (September 1, 2011, 15:43 GMT)

I am amazed to see the comments citing IPL as the reason for Team India's failure as though India had been a brilliant cricketing nation in the past. Do you know why is this thrashing happening? In the past when India toured England or Australia they were never really seen as a threat; remember India drawing 1-1 against the mighty Australian side in 2003/04? Even after claiming they were the number one test side people were just amused; but it all changed in South Africa last year. SA was as prepared as England now is; and remember the first test? it was a no contest. SA lost interest and lost the next; saved the third. Then India won the WC. People except for real hardcore cricket fans were confused; how can a team like India do it? but happening! English cricketers were told to play India as they would play against a great side; remember they started nervously; by the 3rd day of second test they knew it was hype but England was careful not to make the mistake SA did; so 4-0, 1-0 & ?

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 15:40 GMT)

Oh what happened to team india departure of coach gary end of team indias golden run???

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 14:55 GMT)

I'm highly impressed by the awesome batting performance of England although the bowling looked ordinary for the first ten overs and the fielding was also average during that time. To beat a team like India by 6 wickets and that also a team which had won the inaugural T20 World Championship held in South Africa in 2007 is really a great thing. Morgan looked impressive with his batting as he made 49 as the top score and Dernabach was the supreme bowler with 4-22. England will now have to gon on with the same performance in the one-dayers. All the best to the home team to do well.

Posted by cool2cool on (September 1, 2011, 14:55 GMT)

Everything apart, nobody would deny the english team is much more professional and much better prepared than the Indian team. Indian team is not bad, but somehow they are playing worst cricket of their life as an unit :(

Posted by richyoung86 on (September 1, 2011, 14:30 GMT)

can someone explain to me how you can inside edge one through third man?

Posted by BravoBravo on (September 1, 2011, 14:21 GMT)

IND can't take 20 wickets, and IND can't bat 20 overs. It is real 20/20 suituation for IND. Good luck for forthcoming ODI series.

Posted by puneet_usa on (September 1, 2011, 14:00 GMT)

All the Indian Fans- Please don't worry- I can see English player taking a little too easy on their Indian counterparts after 4-0 Test wins- India is going to win the ODI series and they are going to do it in a very professional manner- MS and Crew will be back to their usual "Process" which lead to their world cup glory..Cheers.

Posted by gillydelasco on (September 1, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

The game was in the bag for india until Dhoni decided to bring on Rohit Sharma. At that point the English batsmen were under pressure behind two back to back overs from Virat and Munaf and one or two more pressure overs might have forced the batsmen to take risks. The Rohit over cost india 17 runs and in the context of the game England might have found themselves chasing 20 in the last over instead of 10. Besides Dhoni allowed too many easy singles and did not attack the batsmen harder and make them work for the singles. This has been the feature of Dhoni's captaincy even in the initial stages of the world cup specially against the epic match against England where the oppositon batsmen were taking singles at almost every ball. By the way what was Parthiv doing fielding at a vital position of third man? Why does Dhoni never stand up to the stumps with Pravin Kumar bowling. Batsmen like KP were playing with ease by standing outside the crease and thus negating any swing

Posted by kristee on (September 1, 2011, 13:29 GMT)

The injury talk is still popular! Wonder why it was missing when just scraping through at Adelaide and Perth on previous tours!

Posted by Hammond on (September 1, 2011, 13:24 GMT)

Who cares? I didn't watch even the replay. It isn't cricket it's an Ikea doppelganger.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 13:24 GMT)

As it has probably been said somewhere both Patel and Bopara were born in England and have been here ever since. They are therefore English. Pieterson's mother is English. Dernbach has English citizenship. Why shouldn't they play for their country.

Posted by Lodhizia on (September 1, 2011, 13:22 GMT)

Why Yusuf Pathan is not there??A big Question Mark Is there on Selectors.. He had open the Bowling many times in IPL..He is master of This Format.. Sharma Give away 16 runs in One Over and Kohli was also not impressive in his 3 overs.. At-least Yusuf can bowl 4 overs with economical Over rate.. Munaf was impressive dhoni would have give last over to him instead of Vinay.. another Question mark on selectors is Irfan pathan & Utapaha exclusion..

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 13:08 GMT)

It may have been said somewhere in here, but both Bopara and Patel were born in England - no way you can call them imports. Pieterson's Mother is English. Dernbach is an English citizen. Like it or not if you have citizenship in a country you should be able to represent them in sport.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 13:04 GMT)

Bopara and Samit Patel may have brought us home (just, and rather fortunately) but I for one was screaming for either or both of them to get out so that Jos Buttler could come in and finish off the job - which should have been an easy job after the position Eoin Morgan had put us in. Both Bopara and Patel looked out of place and short on ideas - they almost snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Sadly, the fact that they did get lucky and squeeze us home is probably going to see them retained.

Posted by KillDevil on (September 1, 2011, 12:39 GMT)

As an Indian, it's a bit sad to see some of the excuses coming from some of the other fans. players in the england team have had to qualify to play for them and they are proud to represent the country where they live now. this is a low point as an indian fan but a true fan would stick by the team and let the other team have their moment of glory instead of trying to comeback with tit for tat.

the team was undercooked for the test series simple as, the loss of a few players shouldn't make a difference as that just underlined the lack of depth we have in the team, all this bouncy track is also a load of nonsense as dravid didn't do too badly on so called tracks prepared to suit the english. i think india will win the one day series but they seriously need to look at how they prepare for future tours.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 12:35 GMT)


Posted by TurningSquare on (September 1, 2011, 12:29 GMT)

By the looks of things this game was played in New Dehli, rather than Old Trafford! I can only laugh at some of the comments made here, you think England fans ask for foreign players to represent us? no but we are humbled by their pride to wear the three lions. England have some incredible home grown talent coming up in county cricket, Alex Hales and Jos Buttler (and despite his name he is english!) are just two of many who will help us to challenge in T20 and 50 overs in years to come.

Posted by devmsct on (September 1, 2011, 12:19 GMT)

Assuming T20 games are going to be the most occurring format, with the availability of young talent pool in India, BCCI should make a long term strategy for the India T20 squad. Using most of the players to play all the three format of the game don't work. this format required mostly all rounders and agile youngsters.some hard decisions has to be taken... If this is the policy of BCCI then India will start loosing its hard earned T20 status as well...

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 12:01 GMT)

I think one question that really needs to be asked now is why are all the sub-continent teams struggling so much. I mean, we have always had either Australia or South Africa as far better teams however now, it's ridiculous. I wonder why Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and now India cannot bat for longer periods.

Posted by AlanHarrison on (September 1, 2011, 11:13 GMT)

"Where are the English produced players?" How about captain of the team for one. Much as Australians like to dismiss Broad, he is no.5 bowler in the world in the current test rankings, higher than any Australian.

Posted by pom_don on (September 1, 2011, 11:09 GMT)

@ArnabBanerjee BTW Do you live & work in England? I would just be interested to know.

Posted by Mike_veitch on (September 1, 2011, 11:04 GMT)

@allblue - you see what you've done there is provide a reasoned arguement for those players inclusion similar to what could also be provided for Strauss and Prior.

Howver, reasoned arguements are often ignored by the many England basher son here. more so when england win. I like it how many of them say 'Engalnd can't produce players" yet ignore the fact that many of these have played ans spent all tehir cricekting education here. As for the muppets who call Patel and Bopara imports, well enough said

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 10:49 GMT)

There are some county players in England who qualify for India , perhaps its time you gave them a game LOL.

Posted by Boycott246 on (September 1, 2011, 10:45 GMT)

T20 World Champions win again.

As for the crashing bores endlessly banging on about 'foreign imports' etc, [Zzzzzzzz], England is a multi-cultural country so the cricket team will obviously reflect that. Which part of Australia was Khawaja born in, btw? Or Kepler Wessels come to that? Or Henriques, or Charles Bannerman, John Hodges, Tom Kendall, William Midwinter, Percy McDonnell, William Cooper, Henry Musgrove, Hanson Carter, Tony Dell and Andrew Symonds, orA rchie Jackson. Tom Horan, Tom Kelly, Tom Groube, Clarrie Grimmett and Brendon Julian, Bransby Cooper and Rex Sellers or Dav Whatmore?

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 10:30 GMT)

how dare the indians go there with just four regular bowlers.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 10:29 GMT)

Why are we seeing so many Indian talents leaving their country and playing for the opposition. Is it so difficult to play through BCCI ? We see talents from our country consistently going to other countries and representing them instead of serving our national cricket team ?

Posted by dicky_boy on (September 1, 2011, 10:24 GMT)

Oh please we assembled batsamn because they were not there yesterday's team was not a true Indian team nd the people calling England better side uh the side that lost to bangladesh and so in wc.it's just a practice t20 game that's all. Odis we will win for sure never judge a team based on a series . And please stop calling England a better side . They play well in their conditions that's all

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 10:12 GMT)

Ok, first thing, India looked far better than they looked in the tests, courtesy, the three warm up games, so this only further justifies the inclusion of more tour matches before the tests which, i am afraid, is not happening any sooner. Secondly, take away the foolish wide and the first ball edge to third man of the last over, and you never know. But then, England has been blessed with enormous luck throughout the series (the Broad hat-trick), but then fortune favours the brave. And third and the most important factor, Ajinkya Rahane is something special. The way he pulled those short, pacy deliveries from the English bowlers, i havent seen an Indian batsman doing it with so much ease, barring VVS Laxman maybe.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 1, 2011, 10:03 GMT)

@rahulcricket007 for many indian fans we are not criticising the fact that they lost. It's the manner of the defeat that is so disappointing. Bowlers just do not look like taking wickets with medium pacers not bowling line and length, spinners not spinning the ball, poor field settings resulting in ariel shots falling into gaps and easy singles being taken, wickets being thrown away, lack of understanding of basics such running between the wickets - how times did you see England run 2 runs whereas Indians only managed 1s. There's simply no competitiveness in any aspect of this team in part due to the IPL. How much do these players get paid for internationals compared to the IPL? This then leads to another issue - Dravid loves to bat for the enjoyment of of batting, for his team and his country which then brings its rewards. How many of the other current players play for the love of the game and pride to represent their country first and rewards second?

Posted by richard0582 on (September 1, 2011, 9:54 GMT)

@ArnabBanerjee - so Bopara & Patel are foreign imports now? Last time I checked they were from Forest Gate and Leicester, respectively.

Posted by samirawool on (September 1, 2011, 9:40 GMT)

I wonder, why MS Dhoni is there as a w/k batsman in the Indian squad? Include Parthiv patel or select any IPL team's w/k batsman in his place. Don't like to see useless dhoni.

Posted by allblue on (September 1, 2011, 9:38 GMT)

I know I shouldn't, but I'll bite. Jade Dernbach was born in South Africa, where he played rugby at school, and his family moved to England when he was 14. He started playing cricket at Surrey, moving through their u-15, u-16 and u-17 teams before graduating to the full team. What country should he play cricket for? Ben Stokes' father was a NZ rugby league international who moved to England to pursue his trade when Ben was 12. As with Dernbach, he progressed through all the junior ranks at his county, Durham, making it to First Class Level. What country should he play cricket for? Eoin Morgan is Irish, but had to come to England to learn and play First Class cricket. Should he be allowed to play Test cricket? I'm old enough to have seen the UK morph into a multicultural country, people come to live here from all over the world, so it is hardly surprising that our national sports teams reflect that reality. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is ICC qualified has the right to play.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 1, 2011, 9:38 GMT)

On paper last night's T20 and the upcoming ODIs should have been / be too close to call as overall the teams are evenly matched - England's bowlers v India's batters. But the main difference I have seen is that England have the hunger to win and that's what got them through last night and tight situations in the 1st two Tests. Indian batsmen continue to throw their wickets away and at least this can be fixed in the short term with greater application if they so choose. But the bowling I'm afraid is hopeless and is only there to help England's batsmen improve their averages. Currently seeing similarities between Indian cricketers and England's footballers - overpaid, underperforming at international level whilst dominating at domestic level, their respective governing boards only concerned with revenue generation with no genuine long term interest of their respective sports. Savour the WC win because it's going to be a while before India win anything else.

Posted by zaragon on (September 1, 2011, 9:31 GMT)

@PiyushD - this really is 'sour grapes' of the worst kind. I agree that a lot of the England batting was less elegant than the Indian batting - but cricket does not award any points for style. India lost because their last 5 overs were spent losing all their wickets instead of building on a decent start. Then, Dhoni's bowling changes made little sense. Even though Bopora played terribly and nearly lost England the match they were still as good as they needed to be - which was not very good. The only luck they are riding is India's inept performances.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 9:02 GMT)


Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (September 1, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

The England team in the T20 and ODI formats are not anywhere near as settled as the test side. In particular the ODI team is really hit and miss, and I think India might be able to turn us over in that format, maybe! Edges win matches in T20 and you make your own luck. We are the current world T20 champs, albeit only 5? players remain from that team. But I particularly liked the way Flower positioned Buttler beneath Patel (altho I would like to have seen him play) in order to have a specialist clean hitting finisher. I don't think we are a million miles away from being set up really well for T20s. Some of the young Indian batsman need to bite the bullet and do a summer in the English CC div1 - just like SRT etc. used to, if they are ever going to make it in test cricket (outside India), trouble is I cant see a county using their 1 overseas player allowance on any of the young Indian batsman.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 8:38 GMT)

Why are every1 here so tensed? Aren't you still habituated with losing? Whitewashed test series, now T20 , next the oneday series!! :)

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 8:25 GMT)

Morgan and Dernbach star in victory

Posted by Mervo on (September 1, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

Yep and Irishman and a South African did it. Where are the English produced players?

Posted by shefil on (September 1, 2011, 8:10 GMT)

We are waiting for Aaron...

Posted by vsuria on (September 1, 2011, 8:08 GMT)

I am an Indian, and I accept that England are the better team currently.

Now look at this comment, and STOP moaning about excuses.

Posted by gunnerr4life on (September 1, 2011, 8:04 GMT)

@PiyushD and yet more xcuses ... If Dhoni didn't placed his fielders correctly or missed stumpings , that's his fault !! That's not luck ! and boundaries on edges are a part of the game and very common in T20 cricket ..To conclude , England won because they played better cricket !!

Posted by Fluffykins on (September 1, 2011, 8:01 GMT)

Stop this England United rubbish, if you have a problem with so called "foreign" players in the England set up, take it up with the people concerned and ask them why they take pride in playing for England.I expect they will however, say quite rightly, that it's their business not yours.Personally its starting to sound obsessional sour grapes.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 7:58 GMT)

Hi all, can anyone please tell the name of the song/tune/music played in English T20 matches in case of Four or Six is hit? I hear it something like this 'tamtavu, tamtau, tamtau'

Posted by AjayVijayan on (September 1, 2011, 7:54 GMT)

I am Indian; but this doesn't resist me from responding to ma fellow dears who made comments like, they are not pure english and so on.. hehe for the hell; accept the fact that our team is substandard right now; and the only reason is that they don't want the national jersey anymore, they have the option of lucrative IPL. So if your are an IPl supporter then people like you have to be blamed... Only when the IPL is scrapped we could expect some quality cricketers emerging.... Now what we have is bits and pieced players like V Kumar. Also the priority set by the players gives the glaring example of their injuries... So get ready for a 0-5 thrash by ENG.


TESTS 0 - 4 T20I 0 - 1 ODI 0 - 5

THen only they will learn a lesson.. May God be kind on this Team India and its Fans that we should loose all the matches..... Only then we will retrospect it in the manenr it should be.....................

Posted by karl43 on (September 1, 2011, 7:50 GMT)

Lots of sour grapes being thrown at the england team for having some non english players but the same rules apply to every other international team so stop the childish whinging. The T20 game last night was a great advert for this format but in the end, the luck was with england following the wide incident in the last over. I believe that India will perform much better in the ODI's and maybe even win it 3-2 or 4-1.

Posted by Chapelau on (September 1, 2011, 7:46 GMT)

Not quite sure how a 6 wicket victory with 3 balls left in such a reduced format is "scraping" home. I would say it is comfortable - maybe you need to see some of the IPL results? As to the comment that England is riding their luck - 5 straight victories over India ? Will you still say we ride our luck after 10 or 15 straight victories? Answer is simple - England are the better side.

Posted by mohsin9975 on (September 1, 2011, 7:43 GMT)

After test series , i decided not to watch/follow clt20 or ipl5. Bt after this t20 defeat, i think i shd at least follow clt20 if nt watch it just to see how gud ipl teams r against t&t nd england t20 teams

Posted by Coastaltown on (September 1, 2011, 7:34 GMT)

RandyOz, but you guys were perfectly happy to have englishman Andrew Symonds playing for you, no? How about Khawaja?

Posted by mohsin9975 on (September 1, 2011, 7:24 GMT)

Bring s arvind into the team. He plays for rcb. He is quicker than vinay, left-armer, taller, beats the bat regularly not by fluke bt with consistent line nd length. We know selectors have picked vinay on basis of his domestic record. Bt he cant trouble any non-indian international batsman at his pace. He cant move the ball around nor is accurate with line nd length. Presently for odi s play aaron for all 5 matches. Assess him completely nd then if he is not convincing throw him out. I m sure at his pace of abt 140kph, he shd more effective than vinay if he can b a bit accurate

Posted by PiyushD on (September 1, 2011, 7:21 GMT)

Any one who saw the match will agree England is just riding their luck now, Indian batting was convincing with the runs hard earned by stroking the ball, while England had maximum edges going their way, mistimes falling in no mans lands, on the other side English dropping catches still the ball falls on the shoulder and not ground, stumping chances missed yet the ball falls at the root of stumps, except for Morgan no batsman was convincing yet the runs flowed, its just that the luck is favouring England so much that even if they field a county side they will win.

Posted by Munkeymomo on (September 1, 2011, 7:16 GMT)

@RandyOZ Billy Murdoch John Ferris Sammy Woods Albert Trott Gubby Allen Adam Holioake Ben Hollioake Jason Gallian Tim Ambrose

For the record where was Andrew Symonds born mate?

Posted by mohsin9975 on (September 1, 2011, 7:13 GMT)

Dravid hitting 3 sixes in a row made my day

Posted by mohsin9975 on (September 1, 2011, 7:09 GMT)

Drop vinay kumar frm odi. Not just bcoz of the last over bt bcoz he never has been of international class. Even agarkar is better than him even at this age. At least he takes wickets nd can surprise with short balls. We cant hav 3 slow medium bowlers in one team nd he is the worst out of them. Cant bowl line nd length, cant swing the ball/bat, cant bowl yorkers. Play aaron for all 5 odi. So happy for rahane. Hav been beating my chest for him since 2009. I had said before 3rd test that he is better than virat ,vijay, mukund ,rohit nd raina nd yuvraj in tests. Has great attitude.What else, he can play shot balls. Waiting for pujara to get into test nd odi team along with rahane

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 7:02 GMT)

"India will THRASH England in T20I & ODIs" well thats what i read many a times in comments here before this match ! :p :p

Posted by OliverWebber on (September 1, 2011, 6:58 GMT)

@nimvictor - it may seem hard to remember, but the T20 world champions are in fact England! So it shouldn't be such a big surprise that they won. At least India gave them a decent contest this time. Once the 50 over matches start we will see - England have a poor record here (although they did beat SL in a tight series this year). I also think they will miss KP.

Posted by cool2cool on (September 1, 2011, 6:47 GMT)

@Romansoul23, I did accept that it is bad, worse, worst, even worst++ happening to India in this tour and India have no answers at all for this "England United" team.

Posted by kulasya on (September 1, 2011, 6:47 GMT)

Ajinkya Rahane, rising talent ! But IPL , CL & over cricket are taking the toll now.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (September 1, 2011, 6:47 GMT)


Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 6:44 GMT)

What are the English getting so excited about. The players who won England the match- Dernbach, Peterson, Morgan, Bopara and Patel are all foreign imports. You guys do not have a single substantial player in England! If there were no South Africa, no Ireland and no India, where would you go!!!

Posted by Salmanghani on (September 1, 2011, 6:24 GMT)

They will continue to loose

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 1, 2011, 6:05 GMT)

England have been doing poorly overseas for last 15 years and their record will continue to remain so insub-continent where spin and sun will take toll on their players....

Its is only in last 12-15 months have they done something overseas.....we know how many times they had been beaten in Aus......

so, lets not make conclusion based on 1 series.....

Posted by Hawk_Pk on (September 1, 2011, 6:02 GMT)

@cool2cool&DocBindra. wont see any more absured excuses for the rest of my life then provided by you guys...quality entertainment

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 6:02 GMT)

Someone suggested... "India should recruit Umar Gul and Lasith Malinga", ostensibly based on the number of "years", they have played professional ( read IPL) cricket in India. May be, taking a cue from the way foreigners playing in County Cricket are "recruited" by England. Unfortunately, India is not as liberal as England in issuing Indian passport to foreigners. Otherwise, why only Gul & Malinga; we could have recruited Gayle as an opener and Watson and Pollard as all-rounders. Most of our problems will be solved! What is the upper limit? Six? Let me count. 1.Cook 2. Strauss 3. Trott 4.Peitersen 5. Morgan 6. Prior. Is that it? Or, More?

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 6:00 GMT)

I feel Indian supporters are not being supportive of their team here, I watched the match, and to be very frank, England played well, India could have done better as well. However, if you dont allow younger players to play and loose a few nothing will happen. For starters , the first Aussie tour of Dravid was a nightmare, did he not learn the next time he went there, of course he did. Winning and loosing are part of the cycle. What happened when England toured India last time, 5-0 in ODI and 1-0 in tests, does that make this English side bad, of course not , if this English side has become No1 from No11, it talks a lot about the team , its captain, coach and of course its FANS, it took the move from Nasser to Strauss to change stuff , wake up people and support your team when they need you, don't whine on eveyr loss and dont jump of the cliff every time we win. To be the best they need your support, you as Fans must do so

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 5:57 GMT)

the celebrations by virat kohli on taking KP wicket said it all, how much India is desparate for even a slightest glory....

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 5:49 GMT)

i beieve this is a testing time for dhoni's captaincy he must prove the fact to the whole public of india that he is much more capable of winning matches in overseas condition rather thaqn winning matches in subcontinent pictches which is batsman paradise i am eagerly waiting for odi series to begin

Posted by BapiDas on (September 1, 2011, 5:47 GMT)

Indians have still not been able to read the bounce and movements of the duke ball in English condiitions. They stil have not been able to change their approcah to the game. They have a few good starters, not one finisher and plenty of chokers. Implosions have been the consistent fetaure of their batting while they have not any good 'death over' bowlers who could stop the opposition's march! No wonder they cannot win.

Posted by Gallant on (September 1, 2011, 5:41 GMT)

It was Dhoni's awful captaincy that cost India the match last night. With England at 64-3 and two quick wickets including KP, the momentum had swung India's way. Now was the time to go for the jugular. So what does Dhoni do? He brings on Rohit Sharma, a part-time bowler at best, to send down an over of donkey drops that gets smashed all over the park for 18 runs. Result? Momentum swings round back to England who never relinquish it again. This is typical of Dhoni and Indian captains. They never know how to go for the kill when the opponent is down. They relax and take it easy and the rest is history. Dhoni - awful captain and even more awful wicket-keeper. Get ready for 0-5 in the ODIs. World champs - hah!

Posted by vinchester on (September 1, 2011, 5:35 GMT)

BOTH the INdian captain & deputy played like novices. What was the necessity to hit everyball and perish in quick succession in the 17th over when they knew that only the tail was left. At least one of them should have stayed upto the end. that was the difference between defeat & victory.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 5:15 GMT)

It is very hard for india to win any game outside INDIA !! Now we know why BCCI has moved , Semis and final of World cup 2011 to their own country ?

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 5:12 GMT)

i think for INDIA in ODI's 5-0 loss is written.

Posted by AjayVijayan on (September 1, 2011, 5:11 GMT)

I think India would not and should not win any T20 Matches in the future just like this. So much had this T20 brought ill fortune to the cricket; its not T20 but its commercial version the IPL which had brought so much discomfort for the cricket team.

I sincerely hope that IND should loose the ODI also... then only a detailed examination would occur. otherwise the people would forget the test and mesmerize the odi win (if we win) ...

Please for Gods sake; scrap the IPL and focuz on Cricket; the captain, the players, the BCCI and ICC. Otherwise we may fall below Bangladesh

Posted by srisri on (September 1, 2011, 5:07 GMT)

Ah... a white wash in Tests and a white wash in T20. Only man that can avoid a white wash in ODI is Sir Sri Ravindra Jadeja. U will be tickled to death if U disagree.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 5:05 GMT)

is this an indian team they are playing like kenyan team. and wht the hell this Raina doing in the team a nothing player

Posted by Jaijo on (September 1, 2011, 5:03 GMT)

Dravid realised that by the time he settles down both the team's innings will be over! Ridiculous batting by RD. only one of the 3 sixes looked clean. He might retire from twenty 20 internationals now!! LOL!!

Posted by Tahmid_scofield on (September 1, 2011, 5:00 GMT)

i think these r minor facts,,they should rather concentrate on champ lg t20..........

Posted by Noboundary on (September 1, 2011, 4:56 GMT)

It looks like no matter what is the format Indian team get all out! Honestly the bowling cannot be blamed ..... the guys sweating it out may not be great names but they are doing a decent job. Our batting is pathetic. Dhoni's batting, keeping and captaincy have one this in common... they are uniformly substandard!

Posted by mensan on (September 1, 2011, 4:45 GMT)

I praise Dravid for playing 20-20 for the team needs. However Tendulkar is the most selfish cricketer ever who plays 20-20 for money only, and not for his country.

Posted by Romenevans on (September 1, 2011, 4:44 GMT)

Who the heck is Vinay Kumar? Does he even look like a bowler? Why Dhoni bowled Rohit Sharma, when Suresh Raina was there and he is an experienced T20 bowler. I'm sick of DHoni's gambling which backfire almost every time these days. Call of ravindra jadega and RP singh, just because they are Dhoni's buddies will backfire too in ODIs.

Posted by Indunil76Shantha on (September 1, 2011, 4:39 GMT)

Sorry to say so sick and tired of hearing this now. When u can't win against a team why do u have to go and find from where the players came in to play for England and just try to make ur self happy by saying "Anyway, they r not pure English"? Accept the fact that this Indian team is not good enough to win yet in England.

Posted by csowmi7 on (September 1, 2011, 4:32 GMT)

India will come back strongly in the ODIs. Winning the world cup is no easy feat. Defeating top sides like Australia, Pakistan and Sri Lanka consecutively show that India are a quality side. Yes we may have had a disappointing test series and all credit should go to England for their excellent performance but their ODI team is nothing to boast about. People forget that they were humiliated by Ireland and Bangladesh and were destroyed by Sri Lanka.Not to mention their 6-1 loss to Australia. At home they may be a good team but outside of England they are a joke.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 4:25 GMT)

Different Format but same old story

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 4:21 GMT)

@lepidochephalichyts_thermalys we won the world cup and we deserved to 1 we won world cup in 50 overs 20 overs is engand 2 ya beating australia pakistan sri lanka was fluke the fluke was u only know which sport are world cup finals played best of 3 keep the shine of the match then also india would have won we will beat these 3 countries any day still u are jelous atleast now dont be jelous u are no 1 in test and champs in t20 ust 1 format is with us and unfourtanatly that format calls u world champs and we wont lose a big game like QF by 10 wickets to bore the audience we wont lose to bangladesh and ireland in same tournament 1 bad tour doesnt mean we are a bad team just bad bad planning by bcci meet us in india lets see wat u do

Posted by rajufer on (September 1, 2011, 3:54 GMT)

There will be a good contest India playing with Zimbabwe. Hopefully Team India can win a match although losing the series with Zimbabwe.

Posted by nimvictor on (September 1, 2011, 3:52 GMT)

1 Day world Champions,what happened to you?

Posted by an00989 on (September 1, 2011, 3:52 GMT)

India should have played R P Singh instead of Vinay...

Posted by WaldermaltCricketer on (September 1, 2011, 3:51 GMT)

@samincolumbia..no matter where players were borne. The truth is IND were thrashed by super ENG team in Test series (4-0).T20 (1-0) & will definitely be in ODIs (5-0). This is not a problem of where ENG team members were borne. Wherever they were borne now they are playing for ENG. IND lost Test & T20 Series-es & will be thrashed in ODIs because IND team is playing ORDINARY cricket.Their top batsmen including MS Dhoni are not capable of playing in ENG. IND fans should understand though they were at No:1 in test rankings for some times, in overall IND is not a good Test team. IND have played 454 test matches & won 110, Lost 142. Winning percentage is just 24.22%. Among top 8 test teams IND is the 7th regarding W%. NZ has only 18.68%. Even SL has 30.34% & PAK 30.16%.This shows IND is not a strong test team in the world. So, it's not an unbelievable thing that they were thrashed by ENG(4-0).IND will try their level best in ODIs. But prob. is they are not playing in IND.

Posted by peteurite on (September 1, 2011, 3:50 GMT)

@docbindra,you right lotsof bandwagoners...like vk6848 do not know word of the game called CRICKET!!!

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 3:49 GMT)


Posted by roleashe on (September 1, 2011, 3:46 GMT)

I can't imagine India still going in with so called pacers called Vinay Kumar! When will we learn our lessons? England was like this 5/10 years ago with lots of such players like Mark Ealham and Co.They have learnt their lessons; we are still waiting to hit our rock bottom i guess!

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 3:42 GMT)

Worst captancy by dhoni will cost us whole series .it seems he doesn't want to win matches.they r playing for fun.it would be better if dhoni & sachin r taking rest because they can play atleast champions trophy well.anyhow its going to be another whitewash in odis. I dont see this team playing 50 overs .first of all dhoni should learn how to keep.if we allow dhoni to play odis he will make even winnable mathes into losing games with his idiotic strategy.actually he dont have any strategy because of his luck he won mathes till now.But now his luck is fading away.better drop him for 6 months & ask train his keeping & batting skills.he is a good batsman.

Posted by ThatzMyView on (September 1, 2011, 3:39 GMT)

Parthiv patel picked as a batsman to open the innings!! ain't there anyone else in our nation? poor guy Uthappa he can keep wickets similar to parthiv patel and bat 100% better than him.

Posted by Sudeepb on (September 1, 2011, 3:37 GMT)

History is testimony to the fact that the teams that play test cricket better are better even in the ODIs -West Indies of the 70s and 80s, Aussies of the 90s and 2000s, India very briefly, and now England have emerged. Overall, England is technically better and their fundamentals are stronger, which will allow them to adapt to the game better. Rahul Dravid in his debut T20 showed what he could do. Other than Virak Kohli, Rohit Sharma, I am also looking forward to seeing Varun Aaron and chateshwar Pujara break into the big league.

Posted by caught_knott_bowled_old on (September 1, 2011, 3:34 GMT)

India should recruit Umar Gul and Lasith Malinga :)

Posted by cric7 on (September 1, 2011, 3:33 GMT)

@lepidocephalichthys_thermalis...yeah..right...it was fluke..INDIA was the ONLY TEAM from Group B, who won the matches against the Top 3 ranked teams in Group A. First they won AUSTRALIA in QF, second PAKISTAN in SEMIFINAL and then won SRI LANKA in FINAL. yep...I agree, it was total FLUKE.

Posted by Sudeepb on (September 1, 2011, 3:32 GMT)

Rahul Sharma, Paul valthaty, Varun Aaron, Iqbal Abdullah and many others .... there are better guys. Why was Vinay Kumar in the team? He was battered in IPL as well. Even Manpreet Gony was better. Wonder if the selectors keep their eyes open or look at the records or remember what they saw during the IPL? Anyway, no great hopes for the ODIs either.

Posted by Sudeepb on (September 1, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

A clear case of bad selection. The bowling was bad. What was Vinay Kumar doing in the team? He's is just one example.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 3:11 GMT)

i saw the shots from this guy Rahane,Wow ,Spectacular...absoluetly copy Book shots...i think indian cricket future is in safe hands...we have guys like rahane,pujara,rohit,yuvraj and even manoj tiwari for the tests while in one dayers we have raina,pathan,sharma,rahane,tiwari....I m looking forward to see this guy Aaron..lets see how well n fast he bowls.....why they are sticking for vnay kumar,the guy has no future,bowls in 60-70...with no batting talent.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 3:06 GMT)

we can't blame team england for having players with foreign blood coz so many countries does have that support,as australia got khawaja,south Africa got amla......so itz not appropriate to use this kind of cases when you feel you need something to cover up,though i am a srilankan,i always appreciate the better team coz they deserve the win and team England is only team England...no matter where the players came from coz now they are English........i am proud that our team won the only T20 which they played in there last tour to England with strange surroundings...feel sorry about Indian team coz i heard the commentators saying the pitch was in the slower side and will suite india......

Posted by Patchmaster on (September 1, 2011, 2:52 GMT)

Bopara nearly lost the game with his SUPER SLOW batting rate. He was clearly batting for his average, his strike rate is just too slow, and he very nearly lost the game because of his selfishness. How can he see out SO many dots balls with the end so tight and wickets in hand - no one else would have put ENG is such a risky position, poor team player.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 2:42 GMT)

Test match was completely dominated did not had any chance over there a way out. But today this match belonged to India another 20 runs were short becos none of them other Ajinkya, Raina, Dravid played. After Munaf another walking wicket in the team is Dhoni , instead of Dhoni we need to take another batsman anyway captaincy can be done by Raina too.

Posted by 9ST9 on (September 1, 2011, 2:41 GMT)

Okkkk so Indian T20 cricket too is in a bad state, especially losing to England who are also a very average T20 outfit. Despite massive Domestic T20 series, I don't think neither contry have been able to hone their T20 skills... Poor Indians pumping so much money to the IPL to improve the game of their youngsters (ahem)

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 2:40 GMT)

@guys in the Indian team(esp. dhoni,raina,kohli,aswin and whoever)pls see to that u dont get injured.. ther's an imp event coming underway:the Champions leaguet20.. dats more imp than this hopeless England tour.. so tc..

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 2:28 GMT)

As an Irish supporter (well done Morgan!) - England are a great outift right now - hats off to them - Indias total was good (Englands second best ever chase) - they have the right under the rules to choose the players they do - so no whining on that score. However for the long term good of the game in England more than 2/3 adopted players dilutes the quality of the win - Englands global version of the IPL ......they need to produce and play more home grown to debunk the collection of foreginers argument... and yes I'm biased because I dont want to see Paul Stirling in the 3 Lions and then Dockrell and Rankin in the test team - but nevertheless I still think its bad for English cricket if this current trend continues - which takes nothing away from their talent and Australian like killer instinct

Posted by RandyOZ on (September 1, 2011, 2:24 GMT)

@cool2cool, hell no! Any Aussie who played for England would automatically be shunned and have his passport removed!

Posted by RandyOZ on (September 1, 2011, 2:21 GMT)

Well done SA, now you're producing good bowlers as well as batters for England!

Posted by Trickstar on (September 1, 2011, 2:20 GMT)

The funny thing about today is India had three warm up game and England didn't have any apart from the 2 players who went to Ireland, yet they still couldn't manage to win. England have also only played 2 T20 games since January and yet manged to chase down 165, some doing on that Old Trafford pitch.

Posted by lokphy on (September 1, 2011, 2:18 GMT)

I don't like Indian guys (though I am also Indian) pointing out England having foreign players.. this present Indian team is regularly being beaten by a set of 11 class players playing for England.. and there is no excuse that Indians are playing bad and without planning.. so guys don't point on England just point on our players and BCCI...

Posted by lokphy on (September 1, 2011, 2:17 GMT)

I don't like Indian guys (though I am also Indian) pointing out England having foreign players.. this present Indian team is regularly being beaten by a set of 11 class players playing for England.. and there is no excuse that Indians are playing bad and without planning.. so guys don't point on England just point on our players and BCCI...

Posted by Trickstar on (September 1, 2011, 2:14 GMT)

@hazardcity Nah mate, you've got it wrong the World Champs won the game and there win in the West Indies, was no fluke. It's good to see another beating hasn't changed the attitude of some of the Indian fans, not all but some. Did the Indians really think they were expected to win this match, reading the comments you'd think so, they seem to forget that England are the World Champions in this format and have lost very few games in it since they went to the WI. @cool2cool With all the sooking going on around here, you really must raise your levels if your ever going to get that bite, much more effort needed from you I reckon, it's good to tell that the day center's got a new internet connection anyway.

Posted by samincolumbia on (September 1, 2011, 1:54 GMT)

Morgan is Irish and Dernbach is South African...I thought India was playing T20 against the english?

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 1:45 GMT)

India will surely put up a better performance in the ODIs. With the aid if the WORLD'S BEST BATSMAN FOR ALL TIME GONE AND ALL TIME TO COME and the WORLD'S MOST FORMIDABLE BATTING LINE-UP, I am sure we can win at least I out of the 5 ODIs.

Posted by cool2cool on (September 1, 2011, 1:40 GMT)

Question for Steven Lynch: Which is the country that do not have/had any representative in the England team from? I guess no Australian player played for England yet.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 1:39 GMT)


Posted by lepidocephalichthys_thermalis on (September 1, 2011, 1:36 GMT)

This is ridiculous. So much for the over hyped world champions. This is proof the WC final was a fluke. If the world cup final was best of 3 India would never have won. In fact it was recommended that the WC final was to be decided with best of 3 system and BCCI as always stopped it.

Also I think this is a curse on India for thinking that BCCI can rule the world like stonewalling the Sri Lankan T20 tournaments.

Posted by Wacco on (September 1, 2011, 1:33 GMT)

Here we go again. Bashing is on. We all want India to win some and fill up the grounds here. IPL kings turned out to be paupers again. If India spend more time in England, they will lose their fan base too (oops do they have anythin' else to cheer about?)...feel pity for the fans.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2011, 1:20 GMT)

haha that was funny match form start... too many PATELS playing the match...,dhoni showing his silly grinn again, dravid of all hitting three consecutive sixes, ashwin diving first ball to fieldand then wondering how the hell that happend.. lol, dhoni's street type dismissal ( actually an embarrasment), samit patel loosing his bat and looking for a single.. and the funniest was "field impact dance" by mr. parthiv "baby" patel after attempting for a catch at third man... thanx for the entertaintment JOKERS.. err our so called cricketers !!!

Posted by dinuhebbar on (September 1, 2011, 1:20 GMT)

Irrespective of result, Wall showed a glimpse of what the world already knows... He belongs to this format too. Yet again middle order threw away the foundation he built with Rahane! Hats off.. RD...U R the Kind!!!!

Posted by cool2cool on (September 1, 2011, 1:12 GMT)

Seeing the no. of imports in England team, the talented but ignored(by selectors) indian players (like Ambati Rayudu for instance), have great chances of playing for England united.

Posted by cool2cool on (September 1, 2011, 1:07 GMT)

When was the last time England played all 11 englishmen and won?

Posted by DocBindra on (September 1, 2011, 1:02 GMT)

Wow, lot of chirping going on from the island, hasn't the EPL started already? Time for some "pitch" invasions isn't it? Didn't think that many islanders cared about cricket, I guess its just convenient to jump on the bandwagon now. Looks like a lot of you were watching some other match because the game went to the last few balls, didn't it? Oh...., just checking.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (September 1, 2011, 0:51 GMT)

The real question of this tour should be whether India can win a single match in England

Posted by vk6848 on (September 1, 2011, 0:43 GMT)

"becoming a disappointing tour by their standards" Pritt22? You must be joking! If the scores of this Indian team on this tour were shown blind to anybody, they will bet on them being from a non-test playing country, like Bangladesh 30+ years ago, or India 75 years ago. Even then there were many visitors who left lasting impressions.4-0 hopeless thrashing is not disappointing; it is disgraceful by anyone's standards. Just what needs to happen for you to say this team is simply rubbish, for whatever reason? I think the main reason is players staying on past their 'sell-by' dates because of the money. The 'greats' are given more chances to stay on, and of course perform occasionally (instead of regularly) but that just blocks youngsters' opportunities and ultimately team performance over the longer term.

Posted by hsingh2711 on (September 1, 2011, 0:32 GMT)

India was number 1 because of Gary Kirsten,there is nothing in the team,now he is gone,you can see India's performance.

Posted by WTEH on (September 1, 2011, 0:20 GMT)

In the game of chess, if one opponent is superior in power, the other one can resign before getting check mate. Wish they introduce that kind of option in cricket. Cause India really need to resign from this series without any further humiliation. There are plenty of more teams that India can play with. There's Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Kenya... I'm pretty sure Indians will be able to beat the above countries in a good day!

Posted by subbass on (September 1, 2011, 0:18 GMT)

One thing I will say though is that even though I am an England fan, I would like to see India win a couple of games, as much as anything for the great support they had today, the ground was 75% Indian fans, they drive me nuts at times with all the excuses and moaning about the fact we pick players who are, urrm, qualified to play for us under the same rules that exist for each and every country, even with all that I hope they get a couple of wins or even just pone, and we take the series 3-2 or 4-1.

On second thoughts I hope we smash them 5-0 :D

Posted by only_sehwag on (September 1, 2011, 0:01 GMT)

man..the IPL army made a joke of itself in the 20/20 also...

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 23:53 GMT)

one billion peoples almost 100 years of cricket and still no intelligent fast bowler to bowl last over, almost every cricket palying country have the specialiste bowler why not india ??? what's going wrong ???

Posted by cricpolitics on (August 31, 2011, 23:52 GMT)

Indian's one day whitewash is on the cards. The agony continues for the Indian fans who are wishing this tour to be over.

Posted by gung-ho on (August 31, 2011, 23:52 GMT)

@Herath-UK - you are a troll. stop your SL is the greatest charade. none likes to watch SL play - period. England, you beauty! enjoy your time under the sun while it lasts. you are going to be ripped apart by S Africa.

Posted by truth1 on (August 31, 2011, 23:50 GMT)

I hate to write comments against any team that loses so badly but i remember one person consistently waiting for Pak to lose even though it would be on the basis of DL system in a rain affected match, and write stinging remarks.Where are you hiding @ cric_fanatic? have you forgotten your fanatacism? Winning and losing is part of game. This might be a blessing in disguise for indians who should now learn to respect losing teams. Its not anyone else's fault. Indian selectors have no concept of building teams for future.Have they learnt a lesson? off course they have!Thats why Dravid is in T20 and ODI.Will Tendulkar with fading reflexes be allowed to play another 20 years so that he can get his favourite century.What an approach? Respect others and get respected-its simple.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 23:47 GMT)

So now the Indians have excuses that England have imports. India is utter rubbish and they lost yet again. Pathetic

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 23:41 GMT)

INDIA, cant bat. can't bowl, can't win test matches, and now can't win Twenty 20. Can play IPL, but now not sure about that either.

Posted by phoenixsteve on (August 31, 2011, 23:37 GMT)

Another good display from England in this 'lottery format' of the great game. You'd have thought Stuart Broad had learned a lesson about bowling long hops by now though? Is a 5-0 whitewash on the cards in the ODIs I wonder? From what we've seen thus far England have little to worry about and it could all become too predictable...... Hope not for cricket's sake but this is a poor Indian side. ;~( COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (August 31, 2011, 23:21 GMT)

So when are we gonna finally admit that England bowlers are more skillful than the rest of the cricketing world and stop giving the other teams excuses after excuses?

Posted by hakapuu on (August 31, 2011, 23:18 GMT)

People forget that India is pretty much playing with a second string side. No Gambhir, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Ishant, Harbhajan! All these were part of the world cup winning squad! I cant remember since the world cup when India played with a full suad! After the whitewashes in tests there was some hope for the odis but with these injuries (India are to blame!) tht hope is also gone! English fans seem to be having a jolly good time poking fun at the indian team! It must feel good after losing for years at the hands of India! But England still have a lot to prove in ODIs and inside the subcontinent. India's performance in S.Africa earlier this year wasnt a fluke. It was one of the most evenly matched test contests one could have seen for a while. Like England India also only mustered a draw there. A lot of the sides have achieved their peak after a world cup win and the hunger for victory goes down! I dont knw how else to suddenly explain this dip in Indian performance!

Posted by Romansoul23 on (August 31, 2011, 23:11 GMT)

@ cool2cool: There is no legal binding on India to hire foreign players or is there any? Dude, accept the reality even though it is bitter and try not to find fault with the other. Don't forget three fingers are pointing back at you when you are pointing towards someone :)

Posted by BravoBravo on (August 31, 2011, 23:06 GMT)

T20 is just a batsmen dominated game, does not require skills or techniques. Who cares about T20, it is only for IPL (Indian Pride Limited). Batsmen are practising like a boxer on a punching bag (bowlers). But worrisome thing is that IND did not last for 20 overs even. I wonder, how they will be doing in ODI's? I neen to remind myself that IND is WC2011 champion. Could they live upto the expectations of being ODI champions or they will be performing like they performed as #1 team in test ranking (though it is history now) in Test against ENG. We need not to blame everything on playes' injuries, or depleted IND team, SRT flu, Sehwag's shoulder, Gambhir concussion. IND need to get real, if they loose ODI series against ENG, it will mean only one thing that IND team has always been ordinary in each format of Cricket game.

Posted by DocBindra on (August 31, 2011, 22:51 GMT)

Yaaawn, is it over yet? What a joke cricket has become because of this pathetic form, no more fundamentals, no proper rest between important series, no proper practice matches before important matches. This rubbish has ruined Test cricket, so don't care who wins or loses. The English Internationals (full of imports) won, woohoo.

Posted by cricket_for_all on (August 31, 2011, 22:49 GMT)

oooo: Indian better arrange matches with ZIM and BNG. Otherwise we will see very boring matches when the better teams play with India. I would ask fans to turn on the SRI vs AUS match channel (competitive test match is going on there).

Posted by 5wombats on (August 31, 2011, 22:32 GMT)

@cyniket; he he he! you are quite right! Do you know - the most satisfying thing about this, in ways, is how just before a series or a match - a load of crowing history teachers turn up on these forums and start largeing it. Then, as if by magic - after the game - they all go quiet. England fans ENJOY THE SILENCE! We've earned it. @BnH1985Fan; nice comment. But - you would not have taken candy from my baby - he's an England fan! Enjoy the silence for now - the excuses will no doubt rasie the volume later on....

Posted by AusieBangaleeShameem on (August 31, 2011, 22:29 GMT)

I think BCCI should invent a fun cricket for India's sake --- Ten/Ten cricket. We'll see the full-house crowd cheering, cheerleaders dancing, Dhoni smiling, BCCI earning etc etc...Good luck team India, please learn to bat 20 overs ASAP.

Posted by lokphy on (August 31, 2011, 22:27 GMT)

I think Dhoni is no more captain lucky.. Raina did well in last T20 warm up.. Team India still cannot play fulll quota of overs that is the mail reason for the loss. Dhoni should be more responsible and productive as captain..

Posted by peteurite on (August 31, 2011, 22:26 GMT)

Again our batting department (middleorder) failed,england bowling was not that great,Dhoni's fielding placement was poor and his choice of bowlers ,R. Sharma instead Raina? c'mon?....should have saved last over for P.kumar insead of V.Kumar? WE Need Bowler with confident and calm not nervous Vinay Kumar. GOOD LUCK INDIA....

Posted by Munkeymomo on (August 31, 2011, 22:24 GMT)

India shouldn't be disheartened by this match, England are world T20 champions after all, it is reasonable to suggest they are quite good at this format. It wasn't so long ago they set the new record for an unbeaten run of games. Rahane batted really well, got out to a loose shot when he should have pushed on but the defeat cannot be blamed on him... on debut, why he didn't get into the test side above Raina is beyond me, when he average 67 in first class cricket and is an opener... still... Munaf and PK bowled well, and Kohli sent down a handy 3 overs, if only there was a bit more in the bowling they could have defended that total. Why not give Rahul Sharma, Ambati Rayadu and Paul Valthalty a go in T20i?

Posted by Herath-UK on (August 31, 2011, 22:22 GMT)

Sri Lanka won the T20 over England but all the hype of IPL could not make India to win this cowboy game even. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 21:40 GMT)

9 sixes hit by India? Which match are we talking about here? Atleast get your facts right in an article being read by millions..

Posted by Pritt32 on (August 31, 2011, 21:37 GMT)

India yet again loses and it is becoming a huge concern, as they are still struggling against England even in a 20-20 match. India could have won if they scored 20 extra runs. They lost the match when they collapsed from a very promising position, as England fought back to swing the game in their favour. India played self-destructive cricket by whacking the ball a bit too much rather than pacing an innings. India's bowling is still a major concern, as English batmen scored freely and they did have England at 60 for 3 reeling. I hope India can put on a good performance by playing sensible cricket in the ODI . This is the last throw of the dice for the tourists on what becoming a disappointing tour by their standards.

Posted by cyniket on (August 31, 2011, 21:35 GMT)

i blame the ipl. all that 20/20 cricket has left india unprepared for 20/20. anyway 20/20 doesn't matter, it's a dying form of the game etc etc...

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 21:27 GMT)

hooooooooooo very said but we know its an indian team ??

Posted by ukmenon on (August 31, 2011, 21:22 GMT)

Well of course, yet again a match that could have easily been won has been lost! Yes, through bloody careless batting in the second half of the Indian innings! India could have put up close to 200 on the board, instead they were bowled out with 2 balls remaining. Those last 2-3 overs were crucial to put up a big score. Instead they failed miserably again when it mattered the most and why was Vinay Kumar given the last over, when Munaf had already bowled a superb last over in the previous match? It's not about loosing a match, just that there's a lack of commitment from some members of the team (easy going as if they can always pull things back) and the fielding has to improve. With this attitude and approach the ODI's are going to be another whitewash in England's favour. Anyway, Rahane played brilliantly and let's hope he continues to do so in the ODI's too. Hopefully the other players in the Indian team can learn something from him.

Posted by steagle on (August 31, 2011, 21:20 GMT)

The last wicket batsmen must ensure that they bat till the entire quota of overs. A last ball six is better than being all out with 2 balls left.A last ball six will also serve as a morale booster. No one can predict the result till the last ball is bowled. Being all out before the quota will give hope for the opposition to play the waiting game and win the match, with the full quota of overs.The best experienced bowler must ball the last over of the innings. It will be difficult for any newcomer to bowl the last over in a tense situation. Overall it is a close match, and the result could have gone either way. A good start in the ODI's will lift up the spirits.

Posted by BnH1985Fan on (August 31, 2011, 21:11 GMT)

For the sake of BCCI's pride, I urge England to LET India win at least one game against them in the ODI series (may be the very last one). They are beating India; and they're making it look as easy as .. taking a candy away from a baby!

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (August 31, 2011, 21:04 GMT)

With so many of the ODI squad touring England for the first time Tendulkar really has to step up his form for every ODI. When India look to take wickets they leak runs. Instead they are going to have to contain so that means setting fields according to the batsmen and bowlers bowling to them. Given that Dhoni has shown any thoughtful field placings on this tour and bowlings clearly unable to bowl any sort of line and length, otherwise I think it's going to be like the Tests where it a quesion of the margin of defeat. England are about to make a mockery of India's World Champions' status. The ultimate humiliation will be if India go home with the only against county side and at least one of those against a 2nd team. Hold on to your hats, this is going to be one heck of a ride - downhill.

Posted by Yevghenny on (August 31, 2011, 21:03 GMT)

oh well, I said maybe India will be pushing for 20 over innings in test matches, but they can't even survive that!

Posted by Rij75 on (August 31, 2011, 21:03 GMT)

Unfortunately for Team India (minus Dravid and to an extent Rahane), ICC does not have any other format left for Dhoni and his yougn turks show their cricketing skills. The only opton left is the 8 over matches we play in Mumbai.

Posted by anuraag.singh on (August 31, 2011, 21:02 GMT)

Rahane has a good future....i think Varun Aron should be given the chance in the coming ODI series.....he should be playing the whole series.....this will give him the confidence

Posted by wibblewibble on (August 31, 2011, 21:01 GMT)

Does anyone know, when does the real Indian cricket team get here? If you can't bat out 20 overs...

Posted by hemant.aneja on (August 31, 2011, 21:00 GMT)

Another thing to note is that Dhoni gives Raina bowl in Tests! but not in T20. Rohit again showed his laziness, and despite Dravid and Rahane, no one else had any class. Based on this, 2011 post WC looks like a year of whitewashes!

Posted by Spuddinho on (August 31, 2011, 20:57 GMT)

Hmmn. So the world's best batting line-up in the history of the world ever can't even survive 20 overs...

Posted by shamlaatu on (August 31, 2011, 20:56 GMT)

I think Dravid should continue playing T20. He surely looked a lot better than quite a few youngsters.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (August 31, 2011, 20:54 GMT)

Maybe another couple of one dayers against 3rd string country teams for some much needed confidence boosts again?

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (August 31, 2011, 20:50 GMT)

I accept firstly that for many of the Indian players tonight the conditions will take time to get used in the UK particular off the back of an Indian summer where the temperature reach 42C and secondly T20 is no indication of performaance for ODIs and test. But this is a team that in all 3 formats of the game supposedly relies on its brilliant batting to set totals for their bowlers to defend. To call Indian bowlers medium pacers is an insult to medium pacers. So for players who have probably played more T20 matches than other country due to the IPL, how do you explain losing 10 wickets inside 20 overs? I don't think for India that any number of runs on the board will be enough for the ODIs because the bowlers are embarassingly bad. A lot comments blamed the IPL for the Test performaces. But after tonight there are simply no more excuses. India are a poor poor team and the nightmare tour continues. I'm dreading to think the depths to which India can now fall.

Posted by hemant.aneja on (August 31, 2011, 20:49 GMT)

This is the most pathetic display of cricket seen from India of post -1996, in a long long time. When will this team win a match? 4-0, 1-0, and 5-0? They should all just give the trophy without playing if the results are so predictable!

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (August 31, 2011, 20:49 GMT)

I am starting to feel sorry for India. This is turning into the tour from hell. Nothing will go right for them, even in the format that they claim to own.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:45 GMT)

Hat-trick Sixes made my day!

Posted by BanglaChild on (August 31, 2011, 20:45 GMT)

With the white ball, England take the whitewash to 5-0. Go Poms Go

Posted by Nampally on (August 31, 2011, 20:44 GMT)

It was a disappointing loss for India.First of all thanks to Rahana, Dravid & Raina, India managed to reach the final total, which fell short by at least 40 runs due to poor batting by Kohli, Sharma & Dhoni - all getting out in single digits.The run out by Ashwin was of a school boy standard.Dhoni should severly reprimand Ashwin for such bone headed OUT. Ashwin bowled to KP long hops outside the leg stump with no deep square leg in his first 2 balls!.Dhoni's captaincy was poor at best. After Morgan was all at sea against Munaf in the 3 balls he faced, Dhoni decided to replace him with Sharma- an attrocious decision. Morgan took 17 runs of the over. When the batsman is in trouble get him out - NOT go thru' stupid bowling changes.Munaf's second over was the finest of the match. He would have got Morgan for sure In the final over Vinay Kumar should have bowled withspread out field needing 14. Give them singles Not 3 Fours.With 6 wkts.left, England will hoick. That was the final bad Move

Posted by SnowSnake on (August 31, 2011, 20:44 GMT)

Seems like England cannot do anything wrong. Congratulations, England. I hope England keeps up its performance. It will actually put pressure on Indian players to perform well. After World cup, India needed a reality check. Although I think this bashing reality is just too harsh for Indian fans.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:43 GMT)

hahahahaa Another white wash.................

Posted by AndyZaltzmannsHair on (August 31, 2011, 20:43 GMT)

India's problem was that went in loaded with spin. PK, Munaf, Vinay, Ashwin and Kohli and Rohit all spin the ball. They needed some pacers.

Posted by mybesteleven on (August 31, 2011, 20:43 GMT)

Bingo! Great Show by INDIAN TEAM! They haven't batted for 100 overs in any of the innings in the 4 test matches. Now they couldn't bat the full 20 overs in T20. So, they are not going to bat complete 50 overs in the ODI. INDIA lost 4 test matches continuously and even after this they are not learning the lesson means then its pathetic. Parthiv patel is another worst selection I could never digest. He couldn't clear the 30 yard and he is too sloppy in the field. Never think INDIA will regain its form in the near future. SURPRISING THING is that, "INDIA might be only International side without GENUINE FAST BOWLERS". INDIA's DOWNFALL is CLEAR and VISIBLE!

Posted by landl47 on (August 31, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

Good effort by India, especially by Rahane, who looks like a really good young bat. Why he wasn't brought in earlier is a mystery, because he looked in a different class from some of those in the test team. It was great to see Dravid do well in his first (and last) T20I. The rest didn't do much; Raina had a few ugly heaves, no-one else made runs and they were bowled out in less than 20 overs. In the end, 165 wasn't a bad score. England were never significantly behind the rate and the only question was whether Bopara, who didn't look in good touch at all, would fail to get England over the line. Happily, Patel was there to knock off the last few runs. I thought this match was India's best chance to win at least part of this tour, but the whitewash continues. It's hard to see India either making enough runs or taking enough wickets to win the ODI series.

Posted by gloves71 on (August 31, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

Yes a real shame! I blame India's poor preparation - they've been playing far too much Test match cricket recently and not concentrating on the really important format!!! Oh yes and then there's the injuries... and the umpiring... and Dhoni's hands are sore... any other excuses I've forgotten?

Posted by abhi_cricket on (August 31, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

what is wrong with rohit sharma man, why is he so lazy? how many chances does he need to realise that he wont be there forever, what with rahane, pujara, etc coming up....tch

Posted by From-Toronto on (August 31, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

@D.Sharma not only that India still lose, I am not sure where is Indian Cricket heading i think they just don't know how to win in England or outside India I should say Even they were no 1 Test team they lost 0-4, After Wining ODI World Cup i think they will loose one day series too 1-4 i think will be the scoreline

Posted by SirLen on (August 31, 2011, 20:40 GMT)

Can we play someone a little more demanding please, this duck shoot is getting a little tiresome.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:38 GMT)

So Dravid's Final T20 career stats will be: 31 runs (21b 0x4 3x6) SR: 147.61 Avg:31

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:38 GMT)

Feeling sorry for INDIAN FANS...Yet to saw a victory since winning a test in WI.....but i guess their test would be against AUS AND PAK....as AUS are very good side at their home...and PAK has lost just one series in INDIA against INDIA since 1952......very much at stake 3rd position for INDIA

Posted by NairUSA on (August 31, 2011, 20:38 GMT)

Well, off to 50 overs matches then. I am sure a miracle is in store (?)

Posted by nutter_freaky on (August 31, 2011, 20:36 GMT)

this is so embarrassing...please call the team back and bring some accountability in the system........so disappointing for a die hard fan like me n million of others...

Posted by Stark62 on (August 31, 2011, 20:35 GMT)


So much for ipl cricket! :P

Ind have lost 5 games in a row and at least SL won their T20 match.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:33 GMT)

A few irresponsible batsmen and bowlers and there goes victory down the drain. All throughout the test series and now in T20 one could easily count the number of careless, irresponsible, unworthy indian players. Unworthy in Test matches (Outside Sub-Continent)- Suresh Raina, MSD (Good Captain but a horrible Test Batsman), Yuvraj Singh (Success gone through his head, he's unfit and extremely lousy with technique). When the masters like Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman retire, which could be as early as 1 yr from now, this Indian Team would be less compatible than even a regular county team.

Irresponsible and Inconsistent One day and T20 guys- Rohit Sharma, Vinay Kumar (I have never understood why they pick him. What variations does he have? Whats his strength? He's trash) I dont understand why dont they pick Robin Uthapa in these formats.

O Well.....Today they were plain and simple irresponsible!

Posted by ian_ghose on (August 31, 2011, 20:31 GMT)

India gets bowled out, even in a 20 overs a side a game :p how embaressing!

Posted by cool2cool on (August 31, 2011, 20:30 GMT)

Morgan asked the umpires to take a look if Sharma had taken a clean catch or not. This is a great example of "Spirit of Cricket" shown by England, don't trust your opponents at all.

Posted by demon_bowler on (August 31, 2011, 20:30 GMT)

England don't know how to lose to India at the moment. Even when they pick a seemingly random group of players and flirt with defeat with both bat and ball, they still come good.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:26 GMT)

well i happy that this is happening to india kz they needed this they have to understand the value of senior players and what they mea to the team . there were talks that ashwin mishra rahul sharma who starred in the ipl are better than harbhajan singh and other bowlers well this was a perfect example showing where india stands and things will get when the senior players retire and i think its high time that we replace dhoni with some one else kz his luck factor is not working any more...

Posted by jimmykirk_uk on (August 31, 2011, 20:25 GMT)

Now we wait for the excuses.......Eng number 1 test team and still T20 world champions. When will India learn to take England seriously? Maybe after 5-0 ODI defeat?

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:23 GMT)

another collapse by the indian after a great start

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:23 GMT)

@ D. Sharma - So true.. what a useless batting line up we have. I thought India would score around 180-200 given the start Rahane and Rahul gave. I have a feeling this will be the story in the one day series

Posted by cool2cool on (August 31, 2011, 20:23 GMT)

It seems India have no answers at all for this "England United" team.

Today Jade Dernbach(South Africa) was bowling star and KP(South Africa) & Morgan(Ireland) were the batting stars for them. Also there were important runs scored by Bopara and Samit Pate(both Indian origins) in the end.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:22 GMT)


Posted by CricketChat on (August 31, 2011, 20:22 GMT)

Don't know why Vinay is in the team. No pace, swing nor the smartness of Kumar who also bowls about the same pace. This was a 190-200 wkt. After India's mid-innings collapse, Eng were always going to win. I can only see 4-1 or 5-0 drubbing for Ind in ODIs.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:21 GMT)


Posted by 5string on (August 31, 2011, 20:20 GMT)

So lets read all the comments about how India are still better than England at all forms! Excuses will probably be along the lines of "without best players (Zaheer, Yuvraj, Sehwag, etc)". Look at the England side, not too many 'established' stars there. India won the limited overs World Cup - deservedly - so that's the one format left to go now. Come on England!

Posted by WTEH on (August 31, 2011, 20:18 GMT)

For the test series Indians blame playing too much IPL. Now what, with all that experience with shorter game, can't win the only t20. BCCI should really consider the money they pay for the so called national players.

Posted by pom_don on (August 31, 2011, 20:17 GMT)

England test match win.....TICK England t20 win..............TICK Bring on the one dayers! Well done England & a spirited play by India too, nice to see two young teams as well.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2011, 20:16 GMT)

now its time for "mighty India" to get "english-washed" on one-day series as well .. lmfao ..

Posted by unkith on (August 31, 2011, 19:59 GMT)


Posted by frendz27 on (August 31, 2011, 19:59 GMT)

India's whole team was all -out again. Yet to survive the English attack .Failed in last 9 innings.

Posted by D.Sharma on (August 31, 2011, 18:41 GMT)

Hahahaa, even if Dravid gets out in a T20 match, India still collapse.

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