England v India, 2nd ODI, Rose Bowl

Injured India still seeking elusive win

The Preview by Andrew Miller

September 5, 2011

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September 6, Rose Bowl
Start time 1400 (1300 GMT)

Big Picture

At Chester-le-Street on Saturday, and at the sixth time of asking, India's cricketers finally enjoyed the better of one of this season's international tussles with England. However, with England on the ropes at 27 for 2, chasing 275, the victory that MS Dhoni's men were surely anticipating was thwarted by the onset of grim autumnal weather, and the match finished as a dispiriting wash-out.

Now, 48 hours later, the squads have relocated from the country's northern-most venue to its most southerly, Hampshire's Rose Bowl, where the series resumes in earnest at 0-0 with four to play. India's resolve in the Durham opener was a timely reminder of the class they still exude in limited-overs cricket, even with an injury-ravaged squad that now includes Rohit Sharma, whose finger was broken by Stuart Broad on Saturday, and Sachin Tendulkar, who missed the match with a foot injury, and is flying home from the tour.

However, England will recognise the errors that they made in that opening contest, and besides, their captain, Alastair Cook did not accept the widely-held view that his team would have lost had the match been played to a conclusion. Certainly, after the start that they enjoyed, in which England's short-pitched approach was found out in a solid 82-run opening stand from Parthiv Patel and Ajinkya Rahane, India might have hoped to get closer to 300. However Tim Bresnan and the ever-improving Jade Dernbach regained a decent measure of control at the death.

It is with the bat that England have rather more to prove. Cook's own failure can be mitigated by the glut of runs he racked up in the ODI series against Sri Lanka earlier in the year, but it is his opening partner, Craig Kieswetter, who is looking more of a problem. His stiff-armed technique was mercilessly probed by the swing of Praveen Kumar, and a return of 6 from 19 balls was not what England required from such a devastating striker of a cricket ball.

A flatter track at the Rose Bowl could aid him in that respect, but with Kevin Pietersen rested for this series, and the youngster Ben Stokes still awaiting his first significant international innings, there's a shortage of proven power-hitting to bolster England's ambitions. If they want to be taken seriously as an ODI outfit - and that is one of Andy Flower's stated aims since reaching the Test No.1 status - then the opportunity to get one over the 50-over World Champions is not something that England will want to pass up.

Form guide

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In the spotlight


Eoin Morgan's one-day pedigree is not exactly in doubt, but as England start to build towards the 2015 World Cup, it is increasingly clear how central to their plans he is going to be. This season began with the quiet confirmation of his vice-captaincy role in the Twenty20 team, and continued in Dublin last week with his first experience of leadership - a hard-fought victory in which his 59 earned the Man of the Match award. As for the coming contest, no England batsman is more at home at the Rose Bowl. In three appearances, he's never made less than 43, and against Australia and Pakistan last summer, he bossed the games with a brace of brilliant unbeaten hundreds.

Praveen Kumar's joie de vivre was one of India's few redeeming features in the Test series, but in the 50-over format, his hard-to-handle swing bowling looks like adding another degree of menace, particularly in English conditions. He bowled four of India's 7.2 overs at Chester-le-Street, in which time he delivered 20 dot-balls and two key wickets, as neither Cook or Kieswetter found a viable method to negotiate him. With little pace on the ball, and substantial lateral movement to thwart any attempts at aggression, he has the ability to thrive in the Powerplay overs, so long as his impeccable line and length does not waver.

Team news


Graeme Swann ought to be fit for selection after fighting a virus at Chester-le-Street. Ben Stokes, who dropped a catch at gully in his only meaningful contribution to that match, is likely to be given another chance to stake his claim in the middle order.

England (possible) 1 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 2 Alastair Cook (capt), 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Ian Bell, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Ben Stokes, 7 Graeme Swann, 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 James Anderson, 11 Jade Dernbach

Rohit Sharma's broken finger necessitates yet another middle-order rejig, although neither of the two batting replacements, Ravindra Jadeja nor Manoj Tiwary, have yet linked up with the squad, which means Amit Mishra - who impressed with the bat in the Test series - could feature. Tiwary could, at a pinch, be thrown into the game straight off his plane on Wednesday. Tendulkar's absence means Rahane stays at the top of the order

India (possible) 1 Ajinkya Rahane, 2 Parthiv Patel, 3 Rahul Dravid, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt/wk), 7 Amit Mishra, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Munaf Patel, 11 R Vinay Kumar

Pitch and conditions


Clear skies for the preview day, but there's yet more rain forecast for the match itself. The pitch is hard and true, and potentially loaded with extra bounce, if the Sri Lanka Test is anything to go by.

Stats and trivia

  • India have played two previous internationals at The Rose Bowl ... and the first came against Kenya in the Champions Trophy in 2004, when Rahul Dravid - the only survivor from that fixture - made 30 not out from 16 balls in a 98-run win

  • England have played in six of the 12 ODIs at the venue, and have won four of them, including each of their last two games against Pakistan and Australia.

Quotes


"There is no point me trying to become something I'm not. I have to play to my strengths. I have to pick the gap like I do in Test cricket."
Ian Bell wants to play his one-day cricket with the same poise that he has shown in Tests in recent months

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Posted by gm47 on (September 6, 2011, 21:35 GMT)

india-------- stuffed again :) before you all moan " we didn't have our best players" etc etc. England can only beat whatever is put in front of them..... and they did..... easily !

it's getting embarrassingly easy and repetitively boring !! Maybe England could loan India a couple of our players to even up the teams :)

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 6, 2011, 17:44 GMT)

pity for trott, i would have played him if u r a good cricketer in test u r a good cricketer in any form of the game maybe for the young guy stokes hope im wrong and he blasts a 50. just abit more experencein maybe needed. dpk

Posted by bobmartin on (September 6, 2011, 17:31 GMT)

bigwonder... I suggest it's yourself who needs to get your facts right... The last world cup.. as I said .. was played on the sub-continent... your backyard.. India did not play every country that was there and they didn't even beat all those they did play. Those are facts. Therefore they won a competition against a limited number of teams.. They are the cup holders.. That does NOT make them the number one team in the world...Again, as I said, it makes them the world cup holders. Now go and look at the ICC ODI Rankings and see who is Number1... How did they get there, by performing consistently over a period of years both home and away. Even winning the world cup did not lift India above the Number 3 spot.. You'll be telling us next, that because India are Number 3 in the Test rankings that they are the Number 1 team... Get real.

Posted by Trickstar on (September 6, 2011, 16:57 GMT)

@Man007 You can't be serious here can you, so what if England lost 2 wickets up front, it hardly means that England couldn't have chased it down, when they only needed under 6 runs per over and the pitch was flat, add to that India didn't even manage a par total. should of got 300 on that pitch. I know you lot have had zero success on this tour and have to cling to any little hope you can but just don't embarrass yourselves.

Posted by bigwonder on (September 6, 2011, 16:56 GMT)

@bobmartin, are you indicating this because Australia is no longer the world cup winner? How many countries have won world-cup in their back yards? You should get your facts straight before making bizarre comments. It seems like the ODI series is scheduled around the persistent rainy season in England. Anyone wants to blame IPL for this?

Posted by pom_don on (September 6, 2011, 16:41 GMT)

Shame the rain has come again if we do get a match it will be a short one & a bit of a meaningless thrash, 50 overs doesn't really show a teams true skills let alone these quick hacks! Let's hope we get some better weather for the next ones.

Posted by Nampally on (September 6, 2011, 16:20 GMT)

@158Notout: What do you call a team which has 6 regulars missing & was being built on the fly? A disjointed B Team. Indian famed middle order always relied on a great start from equally famed Sehwag & Gambhir.Fortunately for India, the opening pair never failed and hold second ranking in world of all time openers. When these 2 are missing, the Indian selectors should have focussed on getting proper openers instead of making up the team on the fly. As we now see Rahane & P.Patel would have been good openers but neither was given a chance. This was the turning point. Second big mistake was exclusion of Rahul Sharma - an ideal leg spinner for the English pitches. He was ignored then and still is. His spin bowling along with Ojha's would have hamstrung England batting not withstanding the loss of Zahir, a huge blow.The show had to go on even with a B team.Playing a full strength & fit England team required a fully fit Indian A team which would not have lost the series let alone at 4-0.

Posted by bobmartin on (September 6, 2011, 15:22 GMT)

dicky_boy ... Yes.. India have won two world cups.... but that doesn't make them the number one ODI team in the world... Look at it this way... Who in their right mind would say that the All Blacks aren't the best rugby team in the world, and they have been for many years. Yet they are not the world cup holders and haven't been since the first one. Winning a world cup in your own back yard in a one-off competition in which you don't play every team does not mean you are the world number one in ODIs. You are simply the cup holders. The number ODI team is Australia and they've got there by consistently over the years beating teams both home and away. That is a far more prestigious title than simply being the cup holders.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 6, 2011, 14:32 GMT)

Here we go again - the usual trolling and rubbish before a game....... @venga_pal; lets imagine.... dear oh dear oh dear... You know what - lets imagine this tour is over and that we won't have read this twaddle anymore. Who votes for that? ME ME ME ME.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 14:31 GMT)

when did match start now.....

Posted by pkhunter on (September 6, 2011, 14:14 GMT)

Rain comes to the sorry English side, mate. Were you sleeping through the first ODI?

Posted by Fluffykins on (September 6, 2011, 13:39 GMT)

As the same rules apply to every nation why dont the people who are accusing England of having too many "foreigners" in their team stop to wonder why these players take pride in playing for England and not anywhere else.Lets change the record please its rather tiring now and move on to more interesting topics of conversation......

Posted by K.A.K on (September 6, 2011, 13:28 GMT)

Rain comes to India's rescue. Isn't this great!

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (September 6, 2011, 13:22 GMT)

@bMike. I hope you will be here for comments at the end of the series too. 27/2 chasing 275 is a sign of future games. With a replacement team India out played English in the first ODI. Does that mean anything to you?

Posted by dicky_boy on (September 6, 2011, 13:22 GMT)

Mr ravenous and all other English people who think we r not good enough we won the world cup twice and u have not won it once boo hoo and we did it this year so there have fun and be happy winning a home test series

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 13:15 GMT)

India's luck stated to favor it

Posted by atuljain1969 on (September 6, 2011, 12:47 GMT)

It seems all the big Indian stars, except for Dhoni are leaving the field, in time to get fit for Champions league. It will be interesting to see who among these injured players eligible to play CL,are going to miss it.

Posted by CricketChat on (September 6, 2011, 12:38 GMT)

Rain is the best friend for Ind team now. At least, they are assured of not losing the series 5-0 thanks to first ODI washout.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 12:34 GMT)

bharat win today...........................................................................................................................

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (September 6, 2011, 12:11 GMT)

This ODI series is already looking a lot like the Eng V Sri Lanka test series earlier this year: almost every match lost to rain.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 6, 2011, 12:06 GMT)

With regard to the discussion surrounding excuses and player management. Whilst it would be interesting to see how England would cope with so many of their first team out, the point is that they have managed their players better. So when a player is injured another is ready. Compare this to India - Sreesanth rather than Munaf for Zaheer and RP Singh for Kumar. Sehwag comes in after 6 months out plays 2 tests then flies back to India because he hasn't apparently fully recovered from his shoulder injury so why select him in the first place? Rohit and the overweight Yuvraj got injured because they couldn't play the short ball. Tendulkar's injury is hardly a surprise - he's overweight, no warm up prior to the tests and he chose to miss WIndies tour, spent a lot of the time in the field for tests due to hopeless bowling and looked unconvincing when he scored 90. Indian players now have time to be fit and ready for an even bigger series than England - the Champions League.

Posted by venga_pal on (September 6, 2011, 11:52 GMT)

@Pom_don, Lets imagine and remove Strauss, Cook (two openers for sehwag & GG), Broad (strike bowlerfor ZaK), swann (main spinnerfor bhajji) due to injuries and think of an england test side. What would you say? still a winning A team or a B team? you may then talk about injuries and losing etc..

Now remove Kieswetter, Cook, (openers for sehwag & GG), Trott, Bell (Middle order for Sachin, Rohit), Broad, anderson and swann (two pacers and spinner for Zak, Ishant & bhajji), now tell me about english ODI side. SIMPLY USELESS

But the indian C team is fighting it out and almost beat ENG in the 1st ODI except that Luck was on the english side.

Dont be too arrogant its not good for your health.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 6, 2011, 11:38 GMT)

cont'd...Indian cricket is in the position that English cricket was in the 80s with everything revolving around the domestic scene. If the BCCI does not take corrective measures India will find its Test team where the England was just 3 years ago and with prospect of improvement. In the past India had great spinners which made winning there such a challenge. But I would highlight 3 points now: (1) there are no quality Indian spinners now or if there are they are not showcasing their ability or they haven't been selected (2) Other countries now have better spinners as Sri Lanka have just found out (3) with so many overseas players playing IPL and getting used to Indian conditions, home advantage is being eroded. Before anyone says Indian players can in England, if you are brought up in English conditions it's easier to adapt to the flat wickets of India than vice versa which is why the BCCI's response to this debacle of a tour is critical to the future of Indian cricket.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 11:27 GMT)

It was indeed a tough Test series for Indians with so many injured players not able to offer their valuable services. But, ODI is a different ball game altogether. And I believe Indians will live up to the occasion. I don't want to be a cynic and quote that India will win the ODI series and show middle finger to England. But, I am sure that the Indians will definitely give a fight. Fair Competition is something that was missing until now and Indian players will give a tough fight. It doesn't matter if the team wins or loses unless we are offered some competitive cricket. I wish both Teams luck, esp. the Indians as they are dire need of one. Dhoni has to fire with the bat lower the order. 30s - 40s isn't going to help his and his teams confidence.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 6, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

The remainder of this ODI series is a glimpse of the future of Indian cricket with the Big 3 and Zaheer not playing. The results are not important, really they're not but the performances are. In fact an India win, unlikely as it is, would provide the BCCI with the perfect excuse that the Test series was a one-off, that when all the players are fit blah blah blah rather that admit that fundamental changes are required in Indian domestic cricket to ensure a healthy future for the national team. Dhoni should follow his own mantra of focussing on the process and letting the results take of themselves. India should use this opportunity to see how quickly the new and inexperienced players can adapt to conditions and whether they have the hunger to compete and above all playing as a team rather than a collection of individuals.

Posted by dhchdh on (September 6, 2011, 11:17 GMT)

Let's keep some sense of realism here...enjoy it while it lasts, home advantage even led to bangladesh beating some good teams in the past...I bet the Indians are already plotting a revenge when we tour them. Everyone does things for money..even this website is not set up for charity....as yourself or even our football team....will they not play for money?

Posted by gothetaniwha on (September 6, 2011, 11:14 GMT)

Does ENGLAND actually have a cricket academy where they develop there own promising players or they just don,t have any ,or maybe the got there Canterbury,s mix up ,Stokes

Posted by gothetaniwha on (September 6, 2011, 11:01 GMT)

I,m sure the 7/8 players unavailable will be fighting fit for IPL/Champions league

Posted by bMike on (September 6, 2011, 11:00 GMT)

No matter India play with their first choice players or not. England will definitely win ODI series as well. Excuses are not needed & better team always wins.Anyone has a doubt about it? India's best team couldn't beat England in world cups even through India had home advantage & all friendly conditions. So how come they expect to beat England in England? Indian first choice players already know what would be the result of ODI series so they are finding a way to get rid of shame by getting injured themselves.

Posted by rchandar1 on (September 6, 2011, 10:35 GMT)

Why not Ravidra Jadeja? Surely, this is not going to be a spinner friendy track, and to be fair to him, he has taken a couple of wickets in almost every ODI he has played for India so far. I know, not an exciting prospect for the ODI side, but given Tiwary has only landed this morning (he'll be tired and jet lagged), give him a chance. We don't need two spinners in the team.

Posted by MightyResilient on (September 6, 2011, 10:30 GMT)

Where the hell is Yousuf Pathan?????

Posted by nosebreaker on (September 6, 2011, 10:27 GMT)

have to agree with pomdon........England better by a long shot right now in any format, they seem to have so much quality in reserve.......India and a few other teams simply do not have the back up.

Posted by 158notout on (September 6, 2011, 9:25 GMT)

@Nampally - unfortunately it is attitudes like yours which are damaging Indian cricket. By living in a state of denial in order to reduce the damaged pride you are papering over the cracks. No-one is denying that India are a better ODI side than Test side but I cannot believe that anyone would blame injuries or any other excuse for the poor Test performances, it was a disgraceful performance plain and simple. Best response would be to swallow that pride, accept that England were (are) better and try and regain some pride through good showing in ODI's.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 9:20 GMT)

From an Indian perspective, it was encouraging to see how well the batting reserves - especially Rahane & Kohli (Patel can't really be classified as a bona fide batsman: he's a Billy Bunter pinch-hitter who occasionally gets lucky) - performed at Chester-Le-Street. It was also encouraging to see that Raina has at least *attempted* to confront his problems against the short ball. If India want to continue as serious challengers in all formats of the game, this is what they have to do now: phase out the old guard one by one (starting with Laxman & Bhajji, both of whom are clearly past their sell-by dates) & allow their youngsters time to slot in. Given that they also need to replace the ageing & deplorably unfit Zaheer ASAP, how come they haven't played Varun Aaron yet?

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 6, 2011, 9:13 GMT)

@cricfan108 Our county game is the best, but only at producing players of the longer forms of the game. They don't even play 50 overs cricket, they play 40 overs instead, which I think is a major flaw with the county cricket system.

Posted by CricketFreakk on (September 6, 2011, 9:12 GMT)

@Pom: just two home series win and all these pommies started talking big, may be we should ask when did England won last time a test series in india??? perhaps so long back that many of pommies who are commenting here were not even born :-)

people lile nassir hussen talk about donkey and all when any indian filder misfield but what about Stokes who dropped a sitter and misfield many times....what about kiewetter' keeping who got lucky stumping what about the lucky catch from Hales and what about strauss dropped so many catchs in test series...

so i would suugest that Njoy ur win (because u never know when would you get that next time ) but dont ridicule others....

Posted by keysers on (September 6, 2011, 9:12 GMT)

@POM_DON: Aren't you ashamed that you have so many foreigners in your team..Take out all of them and ENGLAND would be just an ordinary team...Anyway hope to see some good cricket today between India and Rest of the World - Part 2.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 6, 2011, 9:08 GMT)

David Gravitas the "asians" you refer to are english. Patel is from Nottingham and Bopara from Newham in London. Therefore they are ENGLISH. We also have Shahzad, who, as you can tell, is a Yorkshireman. If you think they should play for India or Pak then you are just being hypocritical because our South Africans are of english descent. So they chose to play for England because they were overlooked by SA. I think they made a good decision.

Posted by prasanna1118 on (September 6, 2011, 9:04 GMT)

Ha ha Another match between India and Rest of the world..

Posted by RageshPMenon on (September 6, 2011, 8:58 GMT)

give Dada a chance to come and have a innings like he did in the natwest final.. even he is already in england no worry of long flight and delay...

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 8:41 GMT)

@ ,all those who are moaning about the ethnicity of some England players. YAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN - We are perhaps the most multicutural society in thew world with MASSIVE Asian, Afro Carribean, Australian, European and yes South African immigrant population. My little village club in Evesham, Worcestershire was also made up of 4 South Africans (very good ones too) up till a couple of years ago. The only player that irks me slightly is Morgan - not because he's not really good (which he is) but because Ireland need him far more than we do, and they are a minor side. Why SA players should emigrate (remember Trott Pietersen et al are UK citizens) ..well you should ask SA officials why their system is so BAD that their players leave (and then mention that they have an ex Pakistani under 19 spinner playing tests for them now) So feel free to keep whinging - it's the way of the world, England will continue exactly as they are... and ignore your racist remarks

Posted by canno on (September 6, 2011, 8:40 GMT)

@ randyoz who is the kiwi in english side???

Posted by sravanmalle on (September 6, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

With Tendulkar being ruled out of the ODI's, Ravindra Jadeja should be in the playing eleven as he can be useful down the order and also as an all rounder

Posted by Rumy1 on (September 6, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

Badri's selection is the first non-bizzare thing that the selectors have done in recent times. It is interesting to note that they keep ignoring the most deserving ODI name - Md.Kaif again and again. He deserves a recall back into the ODI team. He has just made 82 in a BCCI tournament. Md.Kaif has had a superb run in the last two-three domestic seasons. At 31, he still has some years of cricket in him and is still the fittest cricketer in India today. Kaif could also fill in that elusive No.6 spot in Tests too. For Tests, Wasim Jaffer - who is the best non-playing bat in India today, needs to replace Gambhir; Pujara a standby for Dravid; Badrinath a standby for Sachin and Kaif a standby for Laxman. To fill in the shoes of these greats, you do not need greenhorns. Yuvraj, Rohit, Kohli and Raina are purely ODI and T20 materials. So they should be preserved for shorter versions. Yusuf must be brought in for T20s. There is nobody more deserving than him for a T20 slot in the country today.

Posted by canno on (September 6, 2011, 8:39 GMT)

how come gambhir and harbhajan has been named in champions league squad???

r they really injured? or their priority is champions league not internationals???

one morething if indian team is fatigued then y they r playing champions league with their main players named in the ipl teams squad.

y cant bcci rest them........ or result will be the same everytime .....and u ppl will say 6-7 player r injured

just grow up indian fans ,ipl is not everything for india & players can skip atleast one ipl season or champions league tournament cant they???

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 8:34 GMT)

This Indian team reminds me of England 2006/7 in Aus. A succesful team from a year earlier dismantled by injury and retirement (no Jones, Giles, Vaughan, Trescothick and Pietersen and Flintoff playing with injuries or getting injured) It was the catalyst for a real shake up for England, let's hope. Also - why are we preparing slow low pitches for ODI's? The first one was a pudding...do we want to be this generous and give the opposition conditions they favour?

Posted by sravanmalle on (September 6, 2011, 8:33 GMT)

The kind of form Matt Prior carrying in the Tests, he must have been picked for the ODI's. Not sure why England have gone for Kieswetter, may be they have chosen him as an opener.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 8:31 GMT)

Indians are dependent on Indian Talent only. Eng are dependent on Proteas,Irish,Asian talents to win games. Even a injured Indian Team is looking more competitive than a full strength Eng team. What else needed to prove Indian team is way better than the current Eng Team in ODI's... Eng ppl always keep talking about Test Wins.( Eng won recent Ashes series against Aussies & Lost 6-1 in ODI's...) Now the same is going to happen in ODI series against India

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 8:28 GMT)

To be precise, India was on the way for a win the 1st ODI, but RAIN SAVED ENGLAND. If Eng had got 1 more hour to bat and complete 20 overs of play ( eligiblity for D/L), India would have won by good margin. Parthiv,Anjikya,Virat,Raina,Dhoni contributed with the bat & PK with the ball. What else needed to prove that a 2nd string Indian side is more competitive than Eng in ODI's?

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (September 6, 2011, 8:16 GMT)

completely agree with pom_don, India's losses have nothing to do with injuries/UDRS. Zaheer was taken for runs in the warm up game against a FIRST CLASS team. Sehwag got a golden pair in the third match. Gambhir did not do anything. Tendulkar did not do anything. All these people are now injured, and fans are saying that because these players are injured India will lose. Well I have news for you, when they were not injured they didn't do anything. India was simply outclassed and its high time the fans recognize this. Its like the 12 step program and the first step is admitting you are powerless. Down the line of Steps you have to find out the problem which lies at home with the advent of T20, the IPL, and CL20 and the precedence it takes over the other formats (with money involved). Then only will India come back up the ranks

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

@Pranay and Mohsin...Ah!!! Cheers guys!!!! Talk about inconvenient truths :-)

Posted by pom_don on (September 6, 2011, 7:26 GMT)

@ Dravid_Gravitas re. your remarks about removing Proteas Irish Asians & Kiwis from our team....what a load of rubbish, we are a multicultural society & all our players are eligible to play for us....rules are rules & the 'Asians' you are talking about (I assume Bopara & Patel) were born & bred in England...who do you expect them to play for? As for nationalised players cricket is their job you cannot be suggesting that anyone who deems to settle in England is not allowed to work at their chosen profession, I believe that is what is called racial discrimination! Just out of interest do you live & work in the UK? An awful lot of Asian supporters attended the last ODI I would think most of them live & work in England....just like the English players on the field!

Posted by Xahir on (September 6, 2011, 7:26 GMT)

Why are all out of form players injured?? and not inform batter Dravid or Praveen Kumar not injured, it surely does makes lots of sense, only for the people who can understand. India has given up this competition in a shambolic manner

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 7:19 GMT)

@Dravid_Gravitas 90% of INDIA team is back in india for their individual MONEY. All of them will be back in CLT20 for selfish and they do not want to play for counrty(at least out of Sub-continent)

Posted by maja2834 on (September 6, 2011, 6:57 GMT)

MS Dhoni to bat at no.6 It cant get any worse then that...Eng 1 - Ind 0

Posted by annys on (September 6, 2011, 6:24 GMT)

India should play the following 11

parthiv rahane kohli dravid raina dhoni misra aswin varun pk munaf

Posted by amit.80s on (September 6, 2011, 6:23 GMT)

Its all up to Dravid now and to be true he's India's only go to man in every situation. But wait Eng have found a new way of getting him out by using DRS and 3rd umpire has already gave him out twice without any justifying evidence so India will loose the ODI's as well.

Posted by Ravenous on (September 6, 2011, 6:12 GMT)

The fact that Indian fans are pointing out about Proteas, Irish, Kiwis, etc, playing for England is not even a valid arguement. All just excuses and more pathetic excuses. They wouldn't have given a dime about who is playing for England if England have lost the test series. At least it shows that ECB is ready to accept anyone who is GOOD (in Cricket) and has a valid British passport. As long as they wear the Lions, they are English.There's no racisms or casting problems there. Please try to get your (Indian) heads around it. When was the last time India allowed anyone outside Hindi speaking belt to play for them? Oh yes Sreesanth..we all know what a crack case he turned out to be. Admit it, you are just not good enough.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 5:55 GMT)

@Nampally, an Indian "B" team played those tests, did it? I wonder who would have replaced Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Dhoni et al in that first eleven. With Trott and Tremlett injured England were equally hampered. Fact is India got trounced because they weren't good enough. Quit the excuses.

Posted by dicky_boy on (September 6, 2011, 4:54 GMT)

Pom don we r not giving excuses I admit England better in the tests it's a proven fact but what we. r saying is Indian players were tired and we could have given better competition not telling the result and that so much arrogance by some English players was really bad like bresnan telling Indian players to go home etc. But one thing I am very sure on indian spinning tracks a fresher side will clearly have a different effect. I might even say result will be opposite.

Posted by RandyOZ on (September 6, 2011, 4:12 GMT)

Another 2 South Africans and a Kiwi added to the team! Go United!

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (September 6, 2011, 4:05 GMT)

@pom_don, for all the wisdom and experience you seem to possess, please remove the Proteas, Irish, Asians and Kiwis (nearly 50%) from your team and see where it stands. Please be reminded that The Champs are playing with their 3rd string team with nearly 90% of the regulars back in India. What caused the injuries is not within the scope of our discussion. Loss of personnel is the point of discussion. Beyond a certain point, loss of personnel cannot be called as excuses by any stretch of imagination unless one is trying sincerly to sound awful. Alas, common sense is such a rarity nowadays! One doesn't have to be a cricketer to understand what I'm saying. Anybody in a corporate or in a hospital or in any walk of life would know and feel the impact of loss of personnel on a massive scale. For e.g. A prestigious hospital in Manhattan is prestigious not because it is in Manhattan but because of its distinguished personnel.

Posted by mohsin9975 on (September 6, 2011, 4:03 GMT)

@rachit people conveniently forget we played am odi series in wi which was followd by the test series there. India won 3-2 after taking 3-0 lead. People tend to forget this series bcoz even our great players forgot to play there thinking wi is a mediocre side not worth playing against

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (September 6, 2011, 3:27 GMT)

It's a monumental task for India to win, what with more than 90% of the regular team back in India. Hope we have fair weather and umpiring.

Posted by thebarmyarmy on (September 6, 2011, 1:42 GMT)

Why isnt Prior playing? Shame realy...

Posted by Nampally on (September 6, 2011, 0:38 GMT)

@Ashes61: You ask the question: Are you suggesting that England was somehow saved by the Weather? My answer is firm YES.As regards Your boast of "white wash", England beat an Indian Test team 4-0, decimated by injuries from top to bottom to reduce it to a B Team. Even the ODI Indian team is at best Indian" B" Team (7 players from World Cup winning team missing). But it has at least younger lot of Cricketers who may form the bulk of future Indian team. India did not have 2 openers in the Test side due to both Gambhir & Sehwag being injured. Now Rahane & P.Patel are new recruits.These 2 guys are capable of giving India a good start to enable India to compile 300 runs.England intimidated India with short balls in Tests but could not do so in the first ODI on so called favourable pitch & conditions. On the other hand Indian weak bowling did exploit the conditions better by taking out both the openers before the Rain Saved England from a certain defeat. So get Real Mate!.

Posted by   on (September 6, 2011, 0:30 GMT)

For India this tour has been a disaster, every thing that can go wrong has gone wrong ... amazing how this could happen ... 6 to 7 of their first team players down, this is the best opportunity for the POMs to get one past the Indians, because otherwise they would have been sitting ducks ...

Posted by PranayC on (September 6, 2011, 0:25 GMT)

@Rachit: It has been sometime since world cup happened... remember India's West Indies tour or Sri Lanka's tour of England? :)

Posted by pom_don on (September 5, 2011, 23:02 GMT)

Excuses,Excuses,Excuses & that is before a ball is bowled...if you win it's because you are good if you lose it's because of one of these pathetic excuses, I have played & watched cricket for over forty years & when we lost (& we have done a fair bit of that) it is because we didn't play as well as the other team, when will the Indian fans (& captain) realise that is why they have not won so far....it's because England have played better....much,much better that may change then again it may not but just accept fact rather than fabricate excuses!

Posted by subbass on (September 5, 2011, 22:36 GMT)

If the pitch has some pace and bounce as expected I expect England to win this one, India's pop gun attack won't be much use on a quick and bouncy wicket, also England likes playing here having won 4/6 as the article says. however there is no certainty the pitch will be quick with some bounce, so if it's not I fancy India may win the game. Then again if rain is about you'd expect whoever wins the toss would bowl first and likely gain a decent advantage as D&L always favours the team batting last. Should be a fascinating game and it's nice to finally see some competitive cricket after the utter thrashing we dished out to the hopeless Indian Test team.

Posted by landl47 on (September 5, 2011, 22:26 GMT)

If that actually is the England team, then balance is still a problem. I thought England badly missed having a second bowler to take the pace off the ball at Durham and Jonathan Trott is not the answer. If both Anderson and Dernbach, the two non-batsmen, are going to play then Bopara, who is a handy medium pacer, should replace Stokes. If either Anderson or Dernbach are not in the side then Patel should play. Cook didn't do a great job of shuffling his bowlers at Durham and hopefully he'll have learned from that. I'm by no means sure India were even the favorites to win when the rain came at Durham; Praveen can only bowl 10 overs and the other bowlers don't look dangerous in Englanis conditions (or Indian conditions, come to that). India's best chance is a rain shortened game. If it goes the full distance I like England to win. As for how England will get on in India- let's wait and see.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (September 5, 2011, 21:48 GMT)

I still cannot understand how the Indian team is criticized when almost 7 or 8 of their MAIN players are injured and back home. The England squad have had NO such problems. Their winning is simply not surprising if you look at this tour from a logical perspective. India are still a world class team with very good cricketers. They simply have had a bad time and add to that some unfit individuals who didn't look 'happy'. This doesn't take away the effort England have put in. They have been splendid. On the other hand, playing at home is always an advantage to ANY team on most occasions. I am sure there will be a reversal of fortunes when England visit the subcontinent next month for the 5 ODIs. India will most likely beat England comprehensively then. However, now they should look to avoid further debacles by playing fearless cricket that made them world champions. I am sure they will. The first game was a spectacular example how India, in spite of Rohit Sharma's injury scored 273.

Posted by dicky_boy on (September 5, 2011, 21:26 GMT)

Typical English dint win any main tournament other than t20 cup for thirty seven years sine Odis started and after winning some home test series just some home series and nothing in India and srilanka have begun to think they are the best . Every English supporter this is the only way they can stay happy think that they are the best and disrespect opponents like how bresnan did and Nasser did

Posted by Sarthak1305 on (September 5, 2011, 21:20 GMT)

Of all the players you have to feel for Rahul Dravid i mean his last series in England he has to face a whitewash and now he has to tag along with a second string Indian squad bearing the onus of scoring runs. There is only so much a man can do. Just 4 faces from the world cup winning squad I just hope he goes out with a huge bang and give us something to cheer about. Much like the test series!!!!!!

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 21:17 GMT)

Sorry to be a pedant but i think the form guides for england and india have been reversed!!! unless india lost the wc final and still managed to lift the trophy :-)

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 5, 2011, 20:09 GMT)

I dont see this series as a contest as we are without about 8 first choice players! i see it as rather an excellent opportunity for our fresh youngsters to showcase their talent and win for us (as we wouldve done in the first ODI) and perhaps win the series and beat england who are an ordinary ODI side!

Posted by Haleos on (September 5, 2011, 20:00 GMT)

@johnathonjosephs - If the weather holds true and 3rd umpires do their job properly India will definetly beat the Poms. You county cricket is supposed to be the best in the world and still u cant produce good average ODI players. India is playing thier 3rd 11

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (September 5, 2011, 19:27 GMT)

With all these injuries, I doubt India will garner a single win in this series. Their bench strength should theoretically be the strongest in the world, but in reality is one one of the worse

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 18:38 GMT)

in reply to cooljack_143 bro dont be in a hurry...he still need his debut...and even he cant break fingers in india because they lack bounce...bcci afraid and to avoid defeats like england did even in india they go for spin...and no doubt they will win as they are the masters at home.

Posted by Dilbar786 on (September 5, 2011, 17:58 GMT)

hey england let them win a game they have been begging for a win

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 17:53 GMT)

although india lost their best players in the recent series due to injuries,but i think still india can play good cricket with possible available players.so this isgoing to be a though work for both the teams to win the series.bcz now from here each team needs atleast 3 out of 4 to win the series....!

Posted by Pritt32 on (September 5, 2011, 17:44 GMT)

India is a very good ODI team, otherwise they would not be crowned world champions. It is real shame rain denied the team a much needed win in the first encounter, as they displayed a spirited and much all round improvement. England jubilant from the test series cannot underestimate India at all, as the ODI team is filled with young and passionate players. England is not noted for being a good ODI team, but is capable of winning. The gloomy Indian fans would love to see India win the series and adds a real smile on their faces. India need to stay focus and not allow standards to slip, as they are capable of winning and did real injustice to themselves in the test series. Injuries marred the side, but it is an opportunity for new players to shine. I am looking forward to competitive cricket in the ODI series.

Posted by shefil on (September 5, 2011, 17:44 GMT)

People have know only about the IPL heros...& they want to give more priority for him... Unfortunately No one want technically skilled player....Beware, this is not Indian DEAD PITCHES......

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 16:45 GMT)

Once again the onus is on the shoulders of dravid to play an anchor role in the absence of maestro sachin.I think if india manages a good start like in the 1st odi negotiating england's ruthless fast bowling then again it will be easier for the other batsmen to score quickly.I think manoj tiwary will be playing tomorrow in place of rohit n he is a good hitter of the cricket ball. India will have to play varun in place of vinay who is a bit inconsistent n expensive like sreesanth.With all the young lads in the field for india it is always a pleasure to watch fine cricket overall.Go India.

Posted by yesbose on (September 5, 2011, 16:45 GMT)

Well well well.England played some test matches in home conditions and won. Have they won anything of note in the subcontinent. I guess not. When they come to India, they start bowling negative lines and length....I remember Ashley Giles bowling his left arm off-spin into the pads of right handed batsmen. I wish when they come toIndia, they get some real spinning pitches which will test their best batsmen. Of course they will fail, like the Indians do on their pitches.

Posted by moko58 on (September 5, 2011, 16:22 GMT)

This tour was billed as THE big one after the Ashes. 2000th Test, 200th between India and England. 100th hundred by Sachin ? World cup winners versus England. However, even Indian fans must agree it has been lop-sided, and that England were professional while India lacked passion. So now the bigger worry for Indian fans is not the results but being in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons ('4-0 whitewash', 'BCCI the big bully', 'IPL the Bollywood show', 'Rich and spoiled Indian cricketers', 'hey, how did you get that Number one anyway ?').

Posted by cooljack_143 on (September 5, 2011, 15:38 GMT)

This young and dynamic side is gonna surely win if Vinay extracts a little more bounce and bowl in a consistent length.We have good faith in Rahane,parthiv and Kohli to shoulder responsibility.Come on team India we can win this match.Also lets break the back bone of bell&bresnan and fingers of Broad when they come tour India..Well if Aoron given a chance will break all the fingers in this series itself.Go india go..break the jinx..jai ho...

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 5, 2011, 15:27 GMT)

India wanted to play with 7 batsmen so now they are forced to play with 5 bowlers irony and why the hell is Samit Patel missing the squad for England ? He def. did well against India and surely a better batsman than Swann

Posted by Nampally on (September 5, 2011, 15:24 GMT)

This is an ideal track for a leg spinner like Rahul Sharma - He bowls fast leg breaks very accurately and gets huge bounce because of his height. If Indian selectors had vision, he would have been one of the best replacements for 3 injured players. You customize your bowling & batting to match the pitch. Mishra bowls leg spin but is very slow on English pitches to cause problems. Rahul Sharma is at least 20 KPH faster but his bounce is likely to result many catches in the leg slip area. Any how if India bat well, they have 5 bowlers to help defend the total. It is so critical to get a good start from Patel & Rahane. Hopefully the Umpires will not send Dravid packing again. I personally feel Aaron should replace Vinay on this bouncy pitch. He is much quicker to cause some problems.Apart from that, Dhoni does not have the luxury of replacement players available. So he has to go with what is available.This is a young team - keen, enthusiastic with wiining attitude. A keen contest ahead..

Posted by akkihappy on (September 5, 2011, 14:24 GMT)

let the play RAINA AT NO. 6 HIS LUCKY DOWN.....

Posted by Yadav_18 on (September 5, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

Rain is a key factor 2mrw.... and btr go to with varun aron than mishra. checkde india

Posted by Herbet on (September 5, 2011, 13:28 GMT)

looking at the weather forecast, i'd be suprised if any of these games are the full 50 overs for both sides, most will probably be some sort of Duckworth Lewis lottery or no result, which is a shame but what happens when you start holding cricket matches in Autumn I suppose!

Posted by ashes61 on (September 5, 2011, 13:26 GMT)

"On the ropes" ??? Just because two wickets had fallen?

"Widely held view that his team would have lost" ??? Widely held by whom, and where, might we ask?

"Victory India were widely anticipating was thwarted" ??? Really?

Andrew, I really do think you are getting carried away a little! A little objectivity required, perhaps? Or are you suggesting England were somehow saved by the weather? Why would anyone strongly predict an Indian win in an evenly contested game during a summer in which one side has so far hammered the other completely out of sight?

Posted by thewayitwass on (September 5, 2011, 13:22 GMT)

Ofcourse an Englishman wrote this! haha talking this up as if the match has any value if won by england.. India are without TEN!!!! first choice players! i am far from an indian fan, but its pretty obvious this series is worthless when played in such a circumstance..

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

All d bst team india...!

Posted by Tatsache on (September 5, 2011, 12:45 GMT)

India looks very good team than england ...! I am talking about ODI ..!

Posted by dinuhebbar on (September 5, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

Do not worry about the injured players. They will be definitely get (most of them) fully fit by the time Champions League starts.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 12:36 GMT)

NNNOOOOOO!!!! I bought tickets to the ODI in Rose Bowl especially to see him before he retires and I live all the way up in Manchester (the Rose Bowl was the only ODI with tickets stil available)

Posted by ssenthil on (September 5, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

All the Best team India :-)

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

NNNOOOOOO!!!! I bought tickets to the ODI in Rose Bowl especially to see him before he retires and I live all the way up in Manchester (the Rose Bowl was the only ODI with tickets stil available)

Posted by Me_A_Gemini on (September 5, 2011, 12:17 GMT)

Bravo!! I know that he and others are going to be injured (real or artificial) as india's devastation goes from worse to worst. Have a nice holiday Mr. little master.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 12:15 GMT)

tht's kidding selection of high profile tour.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2011, 12:13 GMT)

hahah... he ll b defenatly fit for champions league........thts d way indian cricket going........

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Andrew Miller Andrew Miller was saved from a life of drudgery in the City when his car caught fire on the way to an interview. He took this as a sign and fled to Pakistan where he witnessed England's historic victory in the twilight at Karachi (or thought he did, at any rate - it was too dark to tell). He then joined Wisden Online in 2001, and soon graduated from put-upon photocopier to a writer with a penchant for comment and cricket on the subcontinent. In addition to Pakistan, he has covered England tours in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, as well as the World Cup in the Caribbean in 2007
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