England v India, 3rd ODI, The Oval

India seek comfort in youth

The Preview by Sahil Dutta

September 8, 2011

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Virat Kohli plays some football during practice, The Oval, September 8, 2011
Virat Kohli has been lively in the field but needs a big score to justify his billing © Getty Images
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September 8, The Oval
Start time 1300 (1200 GMT)

Big Picture

This has not been an Indian summer. In any sense. The grim September weather has dominated the start of the one-day series, washing out the opening match and chopping the second down to 23 overs a side. Added to the dank weather, injuries have robbed the numerous India supporters in the crowd the chance of seeing many of their World Cup heroes. It hardly sounds the recipe for a stirring contest, yet the injuries have allowed India a glimpse of the future. The only hope of pulling a positive or two from out of the wreckage of this tour is for some young talent to flourish. Also, though it feels unlikely, there is still the possibility of silverware at stake.

India's batting has been invigorated by coloured clothing. On his way to a blistering 19-ball 40 at the Rose Bowl, Suresh Raina was unrecognisable from the man who compiled a 42-ball pair in the final Test at The Oval. Parthiv Patel, meanwhile, has been Sehwag-esque at the top of the order in bullying England's new-ball bowlers off their plans. But the star has been Ajinkya Rahane.

He has made 155 runs from 130 balls in his three outings against England and more than the volume has been the quality of his stroke-making. Short balls have been pulled easily, full ones driven fluidly and his technique strong throughout. Short-form runs - as Raina proved this summer - are no guarantee of class but allied to Rahane's first-class average of 67.72, India fans have plenty reason for excitement.

The problem India has is with the ball. Praveen Kumar, despite an off-colour showing at the Rose Bowl, is reliable, as is Munaf Patel, but beyond that the ranks are thin. Varun Aaron was flown in to give India the pace they have lacked all summer but has so far served the drinks. The emphasis of this one-day series should now be a view to the future so it's a pity Aaron can't get a game.

Eoin Morgan's injury leaves England without their best one-day batsman but gives Ravi Bopara an opportunity to find his feet on the international stage he looks in danger of slipping off. The other player looking to establish himself is Ben Stokes. England's lower-order finishing was a major weakness at the World Cup and the management hope Stokes's crisp-hitting can solve the issue. As of yet, though, he hasn't had the chance.

Form guide

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England WNWWW
India LNLLW

In the spotlight


It was only a cameo - and it ended in frustratingly soft fashion - but at the Rose Bowl, Ian Bell showed why he deserves a berth in England's top order. It took Bell four years to crack Test cricket but he is fast-establishing himself as one of the classiest in the game and now has ODIs in his sights. In Southampton he struck four perfectly-timed fours to race to 25 without breaking sweat. Though he gave it away soon after a big score at The Oval wouldn't be a surprise.

Virat Kohli presence is one of the reasons India's fielding has been sharper in the one-dayers than during the Test series. Lively and bristling with confidence he has also bowled a few overs. But he's supposed to be one of the brightest batting talents in India and while Raina, Rahane and even Parthiv have all prospered at times this series, Kohli has been subdued. He'll hope The Oval will spark a turnaround.

Team news


If the weather proves as good as the forecasts suggest, there should be a 50-over contest at The Oval. England will bring Jonathan Trott back to No. 3, reopening the obligatory debate about his scoring-rate, and may leave out Samit Patel. Patel took five wickets in his last ODI appearance at The Oval in 2008 so has fond memories. If England prefer his spin option, Bopara could miss out.

England (possible) 1 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 2 Alastair Cook (capt), 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Ian Bell, 5 Ravi Bopara, 6 Ben Stokes, 7 Tim Bresnan, 8 Graeme Swann, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 James Anderson, 11 Jade Dernbach

India's search for a fifth bowler means Ravindra Jadeja could come into the side ahead of one of the batsmen that played at the Rose Bowl, most likely Manoj Tiwary. Vinay Kumar could also miss out for RP Singh.

India (possible) 1 Ajinkya Rahane, 2 Parthiv Patel, 3 Rahul Dravid, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt/wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Munaf Patel, 11 RP Singh.

Pitch and conditions


The weather is set to be much improved at The Oval. 'Sunny intervals' and a temperature high of 23 degrees is sweet relief after the damp encounters in Durham and Southampton. None the less by the time evening draws in it will be cold in London. The Oval should prove a good pitch for the batsmen but evening dew is always something for the captains to consider.

Stats and trivia

  • England have won four of their seven ODI games against India at The Oval but lost a high-scoring thriller the last times the teams met here in 2007.

  • From that team in 2007 India have only two surviving players - MS Dhoni and Rahul Dravid.

  • If England win at The Oval it will be their fifth successive victory in completed ODI games

Quotes


"We've played some unbelievable cricket this summer, especially in the test matches, so we don't want the one day series to be a bit of a damp squib at the end. It's important we carry on the momentum, because we want all three forms of the game to be going in the right direction in the next few years."
Graeme Swann hopes to extend England's run of victories.

"I had done no preparations before coming here. But I learnt as I went along."
Ajinkya Rahane suggests he has no need for warm-ups.

Sahil Dutta is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 9:45 GMT)

evry1 knws the commitment that indian players show towards IPL and CLT20. and when it comes for country,then the complain about the sceduling, simpley dont play those competitions. these guys already are the highest paid players.

Posted by SonnyGong on (September 9, 2011, 14:19 GMT)

INDIA, INSTEAD OF 4 SPINNERS NOW FIELD 5........there are not sane in their selcetion

Posted by emeye on (September 9, 2011, 14:15 GMT)

I think India gonna face same treatment in ODI's.

Posted by SundSom on (September 9, 2011, 13:18 GMT)

R Jadeja is not played any matches, but still he is selected.. Only Selectors can respond, but they wont.Very Bad Selection Committee, Bench strength is VERY VERY BAD.

Some interested in IPL/CLT20..... some are gearing up for CLT20....

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 12:52 GMT)

i currently feel this series also would be whitewash as team India not at all showing an urge to play well. they seem to be am army unit which desperately needs to return home..

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 11:42 GMT)

Yousuf Pathan has not been very successful recently. However, he can be considered in the present situation. Irfan Pathan is the clear case of prejudice and discrimination in the selection process. It proves without saying that all is not well in the selection process.

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 11:41 GMT)

Sir R Jadeja is Backkkkkkkk B-)

Posted by sravanmalle on (September 9, 2011, 11:31 GMT)

I think India should go with 7 batsman and four bowlers.........as India strength is only batting not bowling...........you need depth in the batting at oval if you are to chase anything over 300. Jadeja should be in the Final eleven which will give exra edge both with the bat and bowl

Posted by aRUNgOPI on (September 9, 2011, 11:29 GMT)

Aron get a chance today???

Posted by rmaganti on (September 9, 2011, 11:19 GMT)

India needs to give Aaron Varun a chance here. We know how well RP Singh and Ravindra Jadeja can play. They are better off playing IPL. If India are serious about their future as good cricketing nation they need to start with a clean slate. Those who were given chances in the past and haven't utilised should be shown the door. Come to think about it. If Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir were playing, neither Rahane nor Parthiv Patel would have got a chance. We would have missed a opportunity to see two good players in the making in action.

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 11:19 GMT)

Seems that we are have plenty of reasons to fail out with the series..but finding a reason doesn't alone have a way to success ..we need to resolve the issues that fails us

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 11:16 GMT)

Common india., Bounce back., This is da time to rove.,

Posted by banglafan on (September 9, 2011, 11:15 GMT)

Rajan86, I like your pool of 20-something players. A team from this pool could be the solution right now !

Posted by Rahul_is_king on (September 9, 2011, 11:02 GMT)

THERE IS 1 BILLION PEOPLE IN INDIA AND THEY CANNOT FIND 1 QUICK BOWLER! UTHAPPA AND AARON SHOULD BE PLAYING IN THIS TEAM AND TIWARY AND ASHWIN SHOULD FLY BACK HOME NOW!

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 10:59 GMT)

go with ur basics ..............start to play guys...........best of luck

Posted by rajan86 on (September 9, 2011, 10:58 GMT)

Future List of Indian Cricket

Batsmen: mukund (21) ,rahane (22), pujara (23), kohli (22), rohit (24), raina (24), m tiwary (25),s tiwary (21), jadeja (22),m agarwal 20)

Wk: goswami (21), parthiv patel (26),d karthik (25), rayudu (25), uthappa (25)

Bowlers

rfm - p kumar (24), varun (21), tyagi (23),yo magesh (23),abu nechim (22),d kulkarni(22),mithun (21),d chahar (19),u yadav (23)

lfm - j unadkat (19),s wagh (22),p sangwan (20),k khan (20)

spinners - ashwin (24),ojha (25),chawla (22),r sharma (24),i abdulla (21)

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 10:46 GMT)

bring in Varun aaron in the place of Vinay and replace Tiwary with Mishra...5 bowlers is needed in english pithes...we are really missing sehwag, yuvi, who were really handy and trustable spinners

Posted by Bhavya_7 on (September 9, 2011, 10:44 GMT)

Nice, So many good thoughts, But I personally feel that Dhoni should bat up of order

Posted by ArshadHussain on (September 9, 2011, 10:33 GMT)

Give V Aaron a go for heavens sake!!He's the quickest amongst all other recognised pacers in the country. Bowling at 120-125 will seldom trouble any international batsmen, so please let him loose on England!

Also, should Irfan Pathan not be given a go! India needs an allrounder, and he's a definitely a better choice...Just don't understand how BCCI is coming up with these selection decisions......and btw, what is Yusuf Pathan's fault....why is he not playing!?

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 10:20 GMT)

@ DINESHCC ya at present yes but he is not big innigs player..no doubht about rahane but i doubht parthiv is capable of making even 100 ..for that to happen 1 or 2 drop catches required from eng side..he is yet to make 100 in first class domestic matches back home..instead indian should promote other wicket keeper batsmen like uthappa or rayudu for odi's..i know they are not best keepers but match winning batsmen..and they can improve coz they have age on their side and also wc 2015 is 3 and half years away so its long time..

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 10:01 GMT)

why they are not looking for varun aaron who bowls at a speed of 150 kmph. why they are sticking with rp singh

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 9:56 GMT)

I would recommend to play RP SINGH instead of vinay kumar and Mishra instead of Tiwary..........Indians have always failed in their bowling department, I think its better to go with 5 bowlers than go with 4 bowlers......

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 9:55 GMT)

INDIA needs a click. in the last two matches they have not performed bad, the playing XI should be 1 Ajinkya Rahane, 2 Parthiv Patel, 3 Rahul Dravid, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt/wk), 7 Manoj Tiwari, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Praveen Kumar, 10 Munaf Patel, 11 RP Singh

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 9:45 GMT)

sehwah ,sachin and yuvi,yusuf,dhoni,gambhir,zaheer,harbhajan,kolhi,praveen,r p singh its a best teammmmm

Posted by DINESHCC on (September 9, 2011, 9:42 GMT)

MOHASEEN KHAN: A GOOD REVIEW MADE BY YOU. BUT YOU ARE HARSH ON PARTHIV. WHEN EVERY INDIAN BATSMAN WAS STRUGGLING HE AND RAHANE PLAYED SOME BOLD SHOTS IN THE ODIs.

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 9:38 GMT)

Lets hope the best for India..Lets hope the best for India..

Posted by ashu.lifeisbeautiful on (September 9, 2011, 9:18 GMT)

Someone please tell me, didn't anyone know that when the ball gets wet it won't swing. And and their current pace Indian bowlers in England will be ineffective ?? Do you really think R Jadeja will make a difference to the indian attack. He didn't even find his place in the world cup eleven. Only the batsmen have provided the hope that they might post a total Big enough to decide the game's fate in the last over of the match.

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 8:50 GMT)

I DONT KNOW WHEN SELECTORS AND DHONI GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT VARUN AARON, UTHAAPA,UMESH YADAV,KOHLI,ROHIT SHARMA ,ASHWIN ,RAHANE,PUJARA,S TIWARY THESE ARE OUR FUTURE AND NOT BADRI,MUKUND,PARTHIV,VINAY KUMAR ,VIJAY,JADEJA..INSTEAD OF CALLING JADEJA AS ALL ROUNDER ILL PREFER ASHWIN WHO CAN BE BETTER THAN BHAJJI AND ALSO CAN BAT BETTER THAN JADEJA ..

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 8:42 GMT)

IF INDIA WANT TO WIN ANY MATCH IN THIS SERIES THEY SHOULD START WITH 1.RAHANE 2PARTHIV/MANOJ TIWARY 3.KOHLI 4.DRAVID 5.DHONI 6.RAINA 7.ASHWIN 8.PK 9.MISHRA 10.VARUN AARON 11 MUNAF PATEL....AFTER LAST 2 PERFORMANCE STILL I DONT THINK PARTHIV I CAPABLE OF PLAYING BIG KNOCK..HE MADE 95 BECAUSE HE DROPPED ON 10 AND ALSO IN LAST MATCH IT WAS WET PITCH AND FLAT TRACK STILL HE GOT OUT IN 20'S..HE CAN BE GOOD FOR 20 BUT CANT PLAY BIG MATCH WINNING INNING LIKE MANOJ TIWARY IS CAPABLE OF..AND WE SHOULD PLAY MISHRA AS 5TH BOWLERS BECAUSE ENG STRUGGLES AGAINST GOOD LEG SPINNERS AND HE CAN BAT BETTER THAN JADEJA..PLAY KOHLI AT 3 BECAUSE HE IS AT HIS BEST AT 3 AND DRAVID CAN PLAY AT 4 ..

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 8:30 GMT)

COME ON CRICINFO GUYS...RP SINGH????????WHO IS LOOKING OUT OF SORTS WITHOUT ANY MATCH FITNESS BOWLING AT 120 K'S??INSTEAD VARUN AARON IS PERFECT CHOICE BECAUSE HE IS YOUNG ,FAST,INFORM,JUST COMING FROM AUSTRALIA AND CAN BOWL GOOD YORKERS..NOT 1 MORE SLOW MEDIUM BOWLERS BECAUSE 2ND ODI SHOWED WHAT LACK OF PACE DO FOR YOU....ENG SIDE WHO IS WITHOUT MORGAN AND KP THEIR ONLY HITTERS WENT ON TOO WIN MATCH WITH OVERS TO SPARE AND SCORED 180 IN 23??THATS NOT BECAUSE OF BAD BOWLING BUT BECAUSE OF LACK OF PACE..ALL BOWLERS BOWLING AT 120'S LIKE JR. NET BOWLERS DO..AND APART FROM PK NO ONE IS CAPABLE OF SWINGING THAT BALL EVEN AT 120'S..

Posted by theswami on (September 9, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

Badri should definitely be given a go, his style of play & temperament suits English conditions, a veritable 2nd Dravid ... also he brings in tons of first class experience .. the kiddos need a guide ..

Posted by kasinadhunivijay on (September 9, 2011, 7:46 GMT)

Indian bowling line up should be bowl properly like wicket to wicket earlier Mcgrath bowled in same pitches , even last time india beat england in England pitches ,same inspiration is required for all players and India should use UDR system effectively .

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 7:29 GMT)

Pls don't say jadeja is playing:(:(:( he can't even run between the crease. I think kohli, raina is better than him as a bowler as well.

Posted by deenu_points on (September 9, 2011, 6:58 GMT)

R Jadeja is not a good choice. We cant use this guy as a 5th bowler. Instead (Virat\Raina even Dhoni) will be better. If he plays its very big advantage for opponent side.. Please Please Please................. Stop saying R Jadeja is an all-rounder. I dont know what he has done to become a all-rounder ?????? If he is all-rounder means then how do you call these players (Kallis, Waston, S Board, A Mathews, Bravo, D Vettori). It will same for these players.

Posted by max234 on (September 9, 2011, 6:46 GMT)

every one says India are losing due to injuries and young players playing in alien condition...the same happened for aussies when they toured india but their new players performed well and won that series.its all about the bench strenght..india never had it.they always go with their same eleven except when they are injured.the selectors are just picking up the players from ODI.e.g raina he never suits for test.if they wanted to take chances then yousuf was the best bet..remember sehwag indian part-time bowlers are spinners.so they really need a fast bowler allrounder and they choose badrinath..badri will never get a chance in playing eleven

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 6:44 GMT)

Defeat is defeat and it can not be justified. Indian cricket followers r mentioning the fitness of thiere stars and considering it the core reason on this underperformance but let me tell u that fitness is ur internal problem. afterall u r playing intl cricket. if absense of zaheer is the logical reason of indian performance then u dont have any right to enjoy quarter final victory against pakistan in 1996 bcoz all time great waseem akram was out due to injury.

Posted by SachinRao on (September 9, 2011, 6:18 GMT)

Varun Aaron has to play in place of Vinay Kumar....Cos he has the pace and will add some actual variety to the attack. He might get blasted, but we really have nothing to lose. He should bowl first change after the 1st powerplay. We can differ the next powerplay till we have some iota of command. RP is the same pace (or slower than Vinay)..plus he is not in form. Unfortunately, considering the current situation, Jadeja will play in place of Manoj T. We should have brought Iqbal Abdullah or Rahul Sharma, we are missing such bowlers in non-spinning english conditions.

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 6:12 GMT)

i dont know why VR Aaron called up in England, i think dhoni need fast bowler to provide drinks quickly on field. i wish today aaron will play this match at least give him one chance to play. indian team: 1. Rahane 2. P Patel 3. Virat Kohli 4. R dravid 5. Ms dhoni 6. VR Aaron 7. Praveen Kumar 8. Munaf Patel 9. Ravindra Jadeja 10. R Ashwin 11. RP singh

Posted by MightyResilient on (September 9, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

@ARUNAMAN: Well let's not be so harsh on Dhoni, after all he was the man who did it for INDIA few months back...I can not see any potential player replacing him at the moment.. I guess he needs to carry on till the next WC.. The biggest worry and ever weakening point and area for India is their bowling line up..They must find good pace attack in order to combat in tough conditions. They need to find sheer fast bowlers who could clock around 150-160 consistenly..

Posted by moko58 on (September 9, 2011, 6:01 GMT)

All said and done this has been a bad tour for India. They say there are no bad soldiers, only bad generals. They also say a captain is only as good as his team. Not sure which of these two apply to the string of losses India has faced. Should BCCI, coach , captain and managers do some analysis , or should the team members do some analysis ?

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 5:56 GMT)

i think the date on this article should be September 9th and not September 8th

Posted by satanswish on (September 9, 2011, 5:53 GMT)

Ajinkya Rahane is well-deserved inclusion to Indian team but he should have been given a chance during WI tour as well. He looks long term prospect in all forms of game. Dhoni was totally ridiculous in playing players like Raina, Yuvraj etc. for Test matches who do not possess test match playing abilities.

Indian bowling continues to be pathetic as always. Ordinary bowlers like Kumars & Vinay making Indian bowling appear worse.

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 5:37 GMT)

My choice of Indian XI for this game is 1.Parthiv 2.Rahane 3.Rahul 4. Virat 5. MSD 6. Tiwary 7. Raina 8. Ashwin 9.PK 10. Varun 11. RP Singh. This could be a better line up. For the 5th bowler slot Raina,Virat Tiwary,Rahane can fill up with 3-4 overs each

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 5:36 GMT)

the only way indians can enjoy this match is to see the indians bat and switch off the tv when they bowl. this is the way i am enjoying this series. but if dhoni want to win then he must bowl first and chase whatever england put on board...

Posted by Herbet on (September 9, 2011, 5:24 GMT)

Why are we still messing around with Bopara when Taylor has more than done enough to warrant a go? Whats the point in having the Lions if performances for them dont count? Bopara looks a nervous wreck

Posted by vpk23 on (September 9, 2011, 5:17 GMT)

Varun ideally should be in today in place of Vinay. The only way now for this team to stay afloat is to grab all opportunites they get today. This a one day.. not a two day. So the focus should be today and thats it..

Posted by Prakmca on (September 9, 2011, 4:42 GMT)

Please don't mention Jadeja as allrounder any more..... by saying so It's really insulting real potential allrounders......Playing him in 11, it;s advantage England.....

Posted by ARUNAMAN on (September 9, 2011, 4:31 GMT)

Well nothing to worry about now as India have parthiv ,rahane, dravid and raina are in good run with the willow.this is good for India's future as well and i wish Dhoni should not perform so that he can work on cricket more than money. This will be good if he is out of the brigade and now Gambhir or Zaheer can be good captains in their department respectively,I would like to hear comments from youabout my view friends..

Posted by   on (September 9, 2011, 2:20 GMT)

India needs players with elastic temperament, players like Waseem Jaffer who have been wasted in the past.

Posted by gops_k on (September 9, 2011, 2:16 GMT)

Without 7 - 8 front line players missing in the team, this is India A vs England. It will be a shame if England couldnt with this series!

Posted by littlesweetie on (September 9, 2011, 2:00 GMT)

hi MSD pls give chance to Aoron instead of Rp singh., and i happy to see that not performing allrounder R Jadeja to play in england conditions., See the all rounders list of other teams 1)Shane watson(Australia)2)J.Kallis(south africa)3)A.Mathews(Srilanka)4)D.Bravo(West Indies)5)S.Broad(England) and even improving Zimbabwe has Elton Chigumbra as a allrounder., we need fast or swing bowlers in these conditios likes of Swinger Irfan pathan., or make Praveen kumar as a allrouder i think he can bat a bit ., so we need allrounders to win matches not to fullfill the team that our team also have allrouders., if spinner need to be all rounder we can use Yusuf pathan he can hit the ball out of the ground.,

Posted by lokphy on (September 9, 2011, 1:59 GMT)

I feel that with recent injuries.. Rohit Sharma's loss is even bigger than Sachin. Opening is good for India.. For middle and lower orders we need a batsman with good strike and capable of keeping wickets.. Dhoni is not able to do so.. Also Rohit is a handy bowler.. so could have good for the ODI.. BUT luck is not with India as well as with Dhoni.. or may be it's Dhoni's bad time which is affecting team India..

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 23:53 GMT)

Key factors to success for india: (need to get in with 5 bowlers) Batting order: 1. Rahane 2. Parthiv 3. Rahul 4. Raina 5. Jadeja 6. Dhoni 7. Praveen 8. R.P.Singh 9. Munaf 10. Varon arun 11. Vinay kumar In England pitches, Other countries won the matches with 5 bowlers. Raina and jadeja can do spinners part...... Best of luck

Posted by phoenixsteve on (September 8, 2011, 23:33 GMT)

Hey everybody .... don't forget the bleating we heard earlier this summer and please remember that this great Indian team are slow starters.... they should be ready and warmed up to take their seats at Heathrow! As Ned Kelly famously said "such is life" .... and then what happened! COME N ENGLAND!!!

Posted by 5wombats on (September 8, 2011, 22:48 GMT)

@jackiethepen; Agreed - Bell is now top drawer. Great to see. Don't know why cricinfo is not posting my comments.

Posted by BaskiSrini on (September 8, 2011, 22:46 GMT)

Again Dhoni VERY clearly said that Ball was wet. In my experience of playing cricket this summer, if it is slightly wet, it does not spin at all. So Ashwin was not successful. Let's see how he bowls 2morrow. Aeron and RP Singh may be a better combo as one of them bowled decently in the TEST as well as practice matches and the other is new and so can keep England guessing. Glad Raina is back to form and if bowling clicks, we have a game!! Go India.

Posted by BravoBravo on (September 8, 2011, 22:41 GMT)

This is time, IND must bounce back which is supposed to be characteristic (though questionably or rather a myth) of them. Bouncing back did not hold true in tests though. IND, the World Champions (??), show ENG who the real ODI champion is? Win the ODI series against ENG in ENG before thinking of whitewashing ENG in the safety of your home pitches.Good Luck to IND. I hope rain will not be a party spoiler.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 8, 2011, 22:32 GMT)

@Sunil Reddy; You have said "The main reason behind england's success is their bowlers accuracy with precision" - so - what makes you think anything will change at the Oval??? Surely - by your own logic, England will win this match by a fair margin. In the first match Englands batsmen took advantage from the tremendous start given by their best opening pair available.

Posted by phoenixsteve on (September 8, 2011, 21:42 GMT)

Great news that the weather forecast is good. I'd heard that there was a big storm heading across the pond. It'll be good to see England flex their ODI muscles and it's just a question of how badly India get beaten? If the toss goes Englands way this could be the biggest wooping of India yet! They really can't be this bad ... can they... surely not... hope not... maybe!!! COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Posted by landl47 on (September 8, 2011, 21:39 GMT)

India's problem is that they have no idea what a good score is when they are batting first. 164 and 188 in the last two completed games were said by everybody to be good scores, but England were always up with the run rate in both games. I'm not so sure that they were good scores and both times India lost a lot of wickets to slow them down after a strong start. I don't think anything under 300 is a good score for India on a good pitch- and if the last game had been 50 overs, England's 189-3 in 23 translates to close to 400 in 50. I still don't think England have bowled as well as they can; too many short balls and Rahane, in particular, has been fed too many balls in his strong areas. A foot outside off stump and he'll have to play an entirely different game. I like Patel, especially at the Oval, and although it would be rough on Stokes, I'd rather see Bopara and Patel at 5 and 6 to give England more bowling options. Stokes is 20, he has lots of time ahead.

Posted by saichander on (September 8, 2011, 21:31 GMT)

India Woh? Whether at least in 3rd One day they will be lucky?

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 8, 2011, 20:57 GMT)

Correction whoever wins the toss will choose to bat and therefore will win. SL won the toss earlier in the year, fielded and lost.

Posted by Shan156 on (September 8, 2011, 20:03 GMT)

Why do some people think that England are favorites to win the ODI series? While they have some steady batsmen there is only one proven explosive batsman in Kieswetter (Ben Stokes may well be but he is unproven at international level). India have several big hitters in their ranks. England probably edge the bowling but with no Morgan in the middle, the batting doesn't look like it will go ballistic in the second half of their innings. I believe that if you get the full quota of 50 overs, India are probably the favorites (yes, even with this team).

Posted by donda on (September 8, 2011, 19:42 GMT)

I think India will win at Oval because of the pitch. But england is hottest team in the world now so who knows. They can crush india easily. I say go ahead new comers show us what you have before people start thinking about old players retirement. Some one should step up from India now.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 8, 2011, 19:25 GMT)

It's likely that whoever wins the toss will win the game, as has been the case in recent day night matches at the Oval. The ball has done all sorts under lights recently. Even these non swinging white balls have been unplayable. Having said that do India really have the bowling to trouble England even in helpful conditions? Their best bet would be hoping to bat first and trying to get 300 on the board, batting England out of the game to set a total even their bowlers can defend.

Posted by Nampally on (September 8, 2011, 19:21 GMT)

Having flown Aeron to reinforce the fast bowling trio, all he has done so far is to serve drinks.Why not try him in this test to see if it makes any difference to a very weak bowling. India should have got Ojha, who is playing for Surrey now, to reinforce their bowling. It is strange when Dhoni says that India has weak bowling. But talented players like Ojha, Aeron and Rahul Sharma do not get chance to play. These 3 along with Kumar & Munaf would have been the good ODI bowlers. India wasted an excellent batting effort from Rehane, Raina & Parthiv in the last ODI by some attrocious bowling.. Even bowlers like Kumar & Ashwin were humiliating. 188 runs in 23 overs is an excellent total. My advise to Dhoni is work on the principle "Get your opposition Out within your total however low it is".Select your bowlers who can bowl economically<5 runs/over & batsmen who can get over 100 strike rate.You will never win if you don't attain these goals because ODI demands this.

Posted by Pritt32 on (September 8, 2011, 19:14 GMT)

It now time to deliver and end the gloominess of Indian cricket at present. Dhoni's captaincy needs to show a bit of inspirational and imagination, without making silly excuses and learning to accept responsibility. The Oval is a flat pitch and ideal for batting. Winning the toss is vital. India would be better off focusing on their bowling by bringing four specialist bowlers: Patel, R P Singh, Kumar and possibly Jadeja and using part time bowler as their fifth option. I hope the team have not slacked and gaining much practise as possible to learn from their mistakes. It is time to focus on cricket and not anything else like events, sightseeing and functions. The batting is quality as Raina and Patel shined, but needs to go extra mile. England is a superior team than India at present. It now the last throw of the dice for the Indian team.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 19:07 GMT)

Hopefully Rahane has shown enough for Srikanth to stop pushing Madras boys over Rahane....I was surprised when Abhinav and rest of tamil nadu bats were picked over consistent Rahane

Posted by LAKingsFan on (September 8, 2011, 18:50 GMT)

Mr Dhoni, it's all in the mind. Pull your socks up. Partiv and Rahane are the two best replacements you can get when Gambhir,Sehwag and Sachin are out. I don't see any reason why RP shouldn't be included in place of Vinay Kumar for tomorrow's match.

Posted by From-Toronto on (September 8, 2011, 18:50 GMT)

India should play Varun Aron in place of vinay kumar(who looks ordinary) and b/w Munaf and RP they can pick any one of them but varun should play in all 3 games left and don't think about winning anymore they just need to give 100% on the field and enyoy the game to build the team for future

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 18:37 GMT)

India will win the one day match at The Oval!

Posted by kriskini on (September 8, 2011, 18:17 GMT)

India has to win the toss in order to have any chnce of winning. EVENING DEW is expected. England can chase any total batting second.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 18:15 GMT)

Aaron Shud be in the playing eleven instead of Rusty Vinay Kumar..

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 18:06 GMT)

I think india will win this match by a fair margin.Indian pacers will have to show the accuracy in bowling which is missing until now in this england series. The main reason behind england's success is their bowlers accuracy with precision.They were pitching the deliveries on certain lengths repeatedly n hardly giving any loose balls compared to their indian counterparts. I think indian batsmen will have to take the advantage from the tremendous starts given by their best opening pair available.Hope india's 7th attempt for a win in england going to be successful.

Posted by kas211 on (September 8, 2011, 18:05 GMT)

I really hope India play Varun Aaron. I haven't seen him play a lot (apart from the IPL). I'd like to see what he can add to the team. You never know he might bowl really well.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 18:03 GMT)

Going to be England's game!

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 17:50 GMT)

> I guess it should be September 9 instead of September 8 in the Match Facts section.

Yes.

Whereas I think the time (13:00 GMT) might be correct even though it contradicts the fixtures box on the right.

Posted by ptnair on (September 8, 2011, 17:45 GMT)

@MdAshfaq :- You are correct and I have the same question, why no Yousuf pathan?

Posted by ptnair on (September 8, 2011, 17:43 GMT)

Batting is the only hope that India have (if I am not too ambitious). Even with RJ and VAron(as suggested in the article), the bowling side is still very weak. Another thing Dhoni can try is moving himself up in the order as Ganguly repeatedly suggested. To me, England palyers dangerously in form and they can chase even a very big score (again that is just my thoughts). But if Indian bowlers strikes early and get 2 or 3 wickets that will put England in a backfoot. But remember they came back in the second test after scoring considerable low numbers. I see only a very very slight chance for India winning at Oval, but still I am supporting India and wishing "Good Luck" for the first win in this season.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 17:31 GMT)

India Needs 5 bowlers :-/

Posted by ajeet_211 on (September 8, 2011, 17:15 GMT)

I wish India Regain the form and can win atleast 3 international match. Anyway,My concern is Bowling and team's Incapability to capitalize the Initial Advantage.I have seen this many times in the tour. 2nd test 1st t20- 2nd-ODI I can't understand one thing why captain doesn't think in the different way he can take inspiration from his previous glory my suggestion to captain that change the bowling attack Munaf patel and R.p.singh should open the bowling attack first change:pravin kumar if trio rocks its ok then spinners use Amit Mishra and Ashwin/jadeja then part timers Suresh Raina Virat kohli we can use rahane batsman hasn't plan to stay and build the innings everybody gets start and then throw wicket. I hope rahane and parthiv again give the good start and well supported by Rahul Virat Dhoni Raina always set target of 300+. then bowler can defend boost everybody if down my best possible team 1parthiv 2rahane 3Dravid 4dhoni 5Virat 6Raina 7jadeja 8ashwin 9praveen 10RP Mun

Posted by sudheercric on (September 8, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

may be the 11th place for 3rd ODI will be Varun Aron instead of Vinay kumar

Posted by jackiethepen on (September 8, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

If Flower had batted Bell in the top order of ODIs Bell might be flying by now. Like his great catch on Tuesday. Frustrating for him to bat out of position at 5/6. As for 4 years to learn Test cricket, one of those years he was ICC Emerging Player of the Year and another he was Wisden Cricketer of the Year and he got 8 centuries with an average of 40 before he was dropped in 2009. Ever thought it was a mistake to drop him - for Shah/Bopara? Bell fought back in spite of not being the media darling. He's now Test No 2 in the World (with Cook). He just matured and got more experienced and tougher and more consistent. But he posted some fabulous centuries in those 4 years. Check out the second of 3 consecutive centuries against Pakistan in 2006, his 110 in Napier (glorious boundary fest - 19 of them including 2 sixes) in 2008 and his 199 against SA at Lords in 2008. Top class. And a promise of what was to come for those with eyes to see.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 17:04 GMT)

I am looking forward to see Rahane in the Tests too and Pujara should get a break in ODIs apart from being given a chance to play in tests on a more regular basis.

Posted by kancnaic on (September 8, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

Mr.Dhoni please think twice and select the team.Don't make excuse after the match.PLAY CRICKET BY BAT AND BALL AND NOT BY STATEMENTS.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

there's two results possible ,rain or england wins

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

Hope Kohli,Raina,Ashwin,Praveen strikes for india the much needed victory in England

Posted by zico123 on (September 8, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

Aaron Varun must play ahead of one of the 3 one dimentional bowlers

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 16:39 GMT)

India is gonna lose this one too...lolz..

Posted by Navzkhan on (September 8, 2011, 16:38 GMT)

INDIA HAVE THREE MORE ODIS TO ESCAPE WHITE WASH......

Posted by MdAshfaq on (September 8, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

They should give chance to Varun Aaron as Vinay Kumar is not effective. Nobody knows why did they choose tiwari instead of Yousuf Pathan.

Posted by NairUSA on (September 8, 2011, 15:42 GMT)

Only the Cricket Gods can save the future Indian cricketers. They have to battle a winning machine like England while their senior mates had fled the ground to prepare for club games like champions league and IPL.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 15:38 GMT)

No Irfan Pathan even at this stage??? Madness! Surely he can't do worse than those other medium pacers.....and his allround talent is more established than Jadeja's! So why not??????????????????????????????????

Posted by DJGANGs_ELEVEN on (September 8, 2011, 15:36 GMT)

I guess it should be September 9 instead of September 8 in the Match Facts section.

Posted by   on (September 8, 2011, 15:35 GMT)

The form guide shown here is crap! Correct the error!

Posted by akkihappy on (September 8, 2011, 15:33 GMT)

lets play raina at 6 not at no.5...becoz 6 is lucky for him....

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