England v India, 3rd ODI, The Oval

England's refusal to yield is impressive

England displayed a determination to win at The Oval, and, despite things nearly going badly awry for them, they remain a side on the rise

Andrew Miller

September 10, 2011

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England are now not going to lose this home series against India, and with seven wins out of seven in completed fixtures on this tour, they'll consider it quite a failure if they go on to lose at Lord's and Cardiff to allow their opponents a share of the one-day spoils. Nevertheless, the sense that India are already on their way back from rock-bottom is unmistakeable after an enthralling encounter at The Oval.

There is no way on earth that England are going to match their current achievement and win their next seven out of seven against India. That would involve having to complete a 5-0 whitewash on the subcontinent, and judging by the jitters they had to surmount in this match, such a prospect is unlikely to be entertained by even the most optimistic members of a buoyant squad. "We've all toured India before, so we know what to expect," England's captain Alastair Cook said in a show of strength, but even he admitted to shredded nerves after watching the denouement of this latest match.

Cook will travel to India next month knowing that he has not yet lost against a subcontinental team in his three ODI series as captain, with victories in Bangladesh last year and a hard-fought win over Sri Lanka earlier in the summer. And yet, the moments in which India dominated this latest contest - and the methods they used to do so - suggests that this rivalry is about to return to an even keel.

"It's always nervy when you're sitting and watching, and can't do anything about it," Cook said. "We're delighted to be 2-0 up, but we've come here to win the series. We're another step closer to doing that. It's a very quick turnaround to Lord's [on Sunday], but the biggest positive is the way we handled that pressure towards the end - a lot of credit to the way Ravi Bopara played especially, backed up by Tim Bresnan."

Bopara and Bresnan's 60-run stand for the sixth wicket stabilised the contest but neither man was able to close it out. That was left once again to the calm, lofted driving of Graeme Swann, the man who scraped England to their tie in the World Cup contest in Bangalore back in March - the last time an ODI between these two teams went the distance. It was his first international innings since the end of July, but he scarcely missed a beat, even while the hearts of a packed Oval crowd were throbbing with adrenaline.

Right at this moment, England's tail is their most reliable trump card. The likes of Swann, Bresnan and Stuart Broad have previous this summer, after the manner in which they transformed the Trent Bridge Test with powerful initiative-seizing roles in both innings. Their indomitability is becoming a fact of the sport, much as the likes of Warne, Lee and Andy Bichel gave Australia an armour-plated hide in the early 2000s. As part of the quest for a side that can challenge in the 2015 World Cup, it's as good a place as any to start, for it's precisely where many teams fail to finish.

But something is lacking further up the order, and it's something that goes beyond the twin absences of Kevin Pietersen and Eoin Morgan, whose impending shoulder surgery was confirmed midway through the match. Though Morgan's understudy, Bopara, came through a tough challenge well enough in the end, his 40 from 41 balls still epitomised a middle order that doesn't know when to stick or twist - when to dispense with the canny accumulation and turn on the after-burners. Besides, England's understandable penchant for four seamers on a green top left them exposed by India's own expertise in the death overs.

Graeme Swann celebrates hitting the winning runs against India, England v India, 3rd ODI, The Oval, September 9 2011
At the moment, England's solid lower-order is their most reliable trump card © Getty Images

Through the virtuoso performance of Ravindra Jadeja, at first with the bat and then, tellingly, with his left-arm spin on an unexpectedly receptive surface, England's blind spots in this contest almost denied them a clear sight of victory - and given that India had slumped to 25 for 4 and, later, 58 for 5 after being asked to bat first in dank conditions, that would have represented quite some turnaround.

In the end, the magnificence of James Anderson's new-ball spell proved insurmountable, but England won't be able to bank on such turbo-charged starts in Indian conditions. When the shine went out of the new ball, the menace went out of the attack. And when Jade Dernbach's variations were decoded in his penultimate over that went for 19, the absence of a second spinner in Samit Patel was starting to look rather acute. "You always think 'could you have been more attacking to try to get that wicket'," Cook said. "But we didn't create another chance. Even if we'd had slips in there for a little bit longer, nothing went through there."

India, by contrast, never looked more in command than during the fraught six-over period prior to the rain break, when Jadeja and R Ashwin came together to spin through the defences of Craig Kieswetter and Jonathan Trott. Upon the resumption, the rookie Ben Stokes wasn't permitted to settle either - save for one impressive smack for six over long-on - and it was almost certainly to England's advantage that the chase was curtailed by 17 runs and seven overs. With wickets liable to fall, any means to a quicker resolution was welcome.

But ultimately that resolution was reached, and while there's plenty of pause for thought after a contest that nearly went badly awry, England's performance was once again brimful of resolve - from Kieswetter's second commanding innings in consecutive games to Dernbach's comeback in a ballsy final over that yielded six runs and the key wicket of Jadeja. They remain a unit on the rise, and after a summer stuffed full of achievement, the refusal to yield is impressive.

"There's always stuff to learn, always stuff we can improve," Cook said. "In an ideal world we'd have got them out for less, but sometimes the opposition are allowed to play well. They probably did get too many, if we're being really honest with ourselves, because after the Powerplay, they got about 70 or 80 off the last eight overs. It's slightly stressful being there and not able to control when the ball's flying to all corners. But it is enjoyable, and it makes it all the more satisfying when you win."

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Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 6:31 GMT)

England thumped India. We did not come prepared and relied too much on our laurels. A much anticipated series has trickled into a one sided series with England outplaying India in every department. Fitness and player selection has been brought under the spotlight. It's wishful thinking but I hope we can see 100 overs for the last ODI.

Posted by A.Ak on (September 12, 2011, 14:51 GMT)

Its unbelievable series, in a way that I have never seen luck favoring so much to one team (8 toss wins in a row !!!) and out of now where suddenly every one playing well than ever in their career (Broad, who was not a first choice in this tour, Bresnan, Cook who was on over 200 runs, still not middling the ball), and on the other side, one team, with worst possible luck I have ever seen to anyone, 8 first choice players pulled out of the series+ 1 PK (injured, but playing now) and when they look like winning, an unbelievable thing happens and make it look bad again. Honestly, India did well after what happened. But the test failure and lack of fight (except Dravid and PK) is not excusable. Still I think India wont win the last ODI unless it is a full 50 contest (which is highly unlikely, its raining season).

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 7:53 GMT)

@Verun: I think it will be at least one win for Eng there, they keep on fighting is what I noticed. UNLIKE India who failed miserably.

Posted by sheikh.daneal on (September 12, 2011, 7:16 GMT)

Its amazing how most people here, are talking about a series in India while an actual series is going on. As important as it is for England to win in India, Australia and South Africa to prove they are worthy of their no1 test status, I for once thought it was also India's test to prove that they too can beat other teams visiting and not only at home on flat low and turing pitches. If India wins in India against England it would be a great achievement (white-wash) so similarly England trashing of India in both the longer version and the shorter one is worthy of appreciation. Some Indian Fans (not all, definitely not most) are just fanatics, not sports lovers, stop the hypocrisy and give where credit is due. England is marveling test cricket and coming along the shorter format nicely, which is good for the game.India well they have geniuses like Dravid, Laxman and the best of all Sachin THE MASTER, but India needs to plan beyond them&more importantly need firepower in their fast bowlers

Posted by   on (September 11, 2011, 14:13 GMT)

I don't think England will win against INDIA in INDIA in ODIs' when they visit later this year EVEN if they win 4-0 here...India is playing without 7-8 key players here now and with the ball not moving around too much in INDIA, Indian batsmen will be far more effective and will make big scores. The only addition on the other hand to English Side will be Morgan. ALSO Ball as it will spin far more will help Indian Bowlers...English bowlers depend too much on swing with new ball and are ineffective later in the innings....

Posted by 5wombats on (September 11, 2011, 11:07 GMT)

@puntertakeson; "In another 2 years most of your (England) team will be depleted. lets see how english fans cope up with that". You really haven't got a clue have you, what a RIDICULOUS thing to say! It will be INDIA that have the depleted side! In 2 years india wil have no Dravid, no Tendulkar, no Laxman, it already has no Zaheer, no bhaji. It is INDIA that is looking at life as it will be in 2 years time, not England. All of these England players will be there in 4 years time. Try to find out a little more about this young experimental England team with its new young captain, before you go making such ill-informed remarks about it. @Rakhil Pakhetra; "better prepare ur team against other better teams Australia and South Africa" is factually incorrect. You'll need to look up the fact that England beat SA 2-1 in the last ODI series over in SA. India lost 3-2. I think your comment should have said "INDIA need to be better prepared against other better teams like England & South Africa".

Posted by puntertakeson on (September 11, 2011, 8:56 GMT)

@ kevinpp24 We are missing both Rohit and Ishant, I can agree with you on harbhajan. Indian second string team should had done better than this. In another 2 years most of your team will be depleted. lets see how english fans cope up with that. Yeah, then they go for shopping to South africa or newzland to purchase some player. Accept the fact this not a english we are playing with its some worldXI vs Indian XI

Posted by   on (September 11, 2011, 8:04 GMT)

indians had been demoralised by the defeat in test series.their body language shows everything. they need one win to forget the past.Then it will be very very hard for england to beat india after that.the fast bowlers had to bowl well. Indias strength lies in spin bowling and that never clicked in test matches.

Posted by   on (September 11, 2011, 8:03 GMT)

@Lmaotsetung - great post!!!

Posted by   on (September 11, 2011, 7:56 GMT)

I think this time India wont win a single match in ODIs in England .England must have done their homwrk not on the field..but on the weather..when india holds an upper hand weather turns favourable to the home side...But let come in Nov we ll see who struggles...Taking nothing away from the home side..They are playing some great cricket this time around...N a big congrats to all of them ! But all of you who are criticising the senior pros its too early to make silly judgements...only one series win and that too in home conditions dont make your side invincibles..lets c how this side performs in the subcontinent..That will show their real character..just wait n watch !

Posted by usernames on (September 11, 2011, 7:10 GMT)

Folks, credit where credit is due.

It might (and does) feel bad when your team fails but the England side is damn good. They bat deep, bowlers are amazing and their fielding is top-notch. Those who say that England's test would be when they come to India -- Shouldn't India's test also be when they go to England and the likes? It is a vicious circle that keeps on continuing.

The current English team is very, very good no matter whether they are playing against India, or India A. Why India A anyways? Because we don't have the depth, again. Our team is the world champion, yes, but that is in our home conditions. The players who excellent (barring the top 3) might not have done the same if the World Cup were to be organized by, say, England or Australia.

The current England team is better, maybe not by a lot but certainly better, than the current full strength Indian team.

Posted by   on (September 11, 2011, 7:06 GMT)

@5wombats :u r wrong dude...have a look at wc match scorecard..http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/engine/match/433568.html...none of the bowlers in the previous game except Munaf was thr in thrt WC match..No Ashwin n No Jadeja..these 2 spinners dint play WC...Harbhajan was thr and Harbhajan is having a dip in form since last year..so he wasnt quite tht effective...btw tht was a flat track...if India had prepared turning track like the Oval(except the grass covering) at Bengaluru Engalnd would have struggled..dont agree???Look vat happened to them ven they played on a dry turning track in Sri Lanka..thr wasnt a flat track in Sri Lanka then ur team would have tied too thr...and u dont need to worry about India young and old..you have started winning after 15 long years..its just one bad tour and you r saying blah blah...we can still play bad but who r u to tell us vat to do n vat nt...better prepare ur team against other better teams Australia and South Africa...

Posted by popped on (September 11, 2011, 7:05 GMT)

@Lmaotsetung Agreed with you 200% it is funny this

Posted by kevinpp24 on (September 11, 2011, 6:01 GMT)

@ Indian fans, the injury list for India is Sachin, Sehwag, Gambir, Rohit, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Ishant, Zaheer, of all these 8 Rohit and Ishant were not in World cup squad and everybody wanted Harbhajan to be dropped. So I want to know how on earth suddenly Rohit, Ishant and Harbhajan became the match winners, this just shows these fans cant take the defeat and want to blame it on something without any judgement.

Posted by sircarl on (September 11, 2011, 1:43 GMT)

All this talk about this being the Indian A team. Lets get real .Given the performance of the big names in the Tests I have no doubt whatsoever that if they played in the ODIs the series would have been even more lopsided in England's favour. Indian fans need to face it. Their older players simply aren't performing as well as these youngsters. Its sad to say but with the exception of Zaheer Khan (who is an injury waiting to happen) the big names would add nothing other than stature to this Indian side!!

Posted by 5wombats on (September 11, 2011, 0:08 GMT)

@Nampally; "England is still weak against good spinners". Hang on a minute - weren't these "good spinners" playing for india against England in the World Cup in india recently? Yes, I think they were. I don't remember india winning that game. And what about this "Just when the Indian spinners got the upper hand, rain came in". What upper hand? The England chase was an easy one because the indian batting collapsed. Again. The truth is that india are weak against any form of England bowling - and my evidence is 58/5 and the 6 previous loses to England. It's india that are in serious trouble here, not England.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 23:31 GMT)

My thanks to Mr. Andrew Miller for the "EXCE LLENT" write up of the 3rd ODI between England and India played at the Oval. He has aptly captioned it as "England's refusal to yield is impressive." He has combined the upcoming tour of India by England with the ongoing series. In my opinion the present England team(Different combination for Tests/ODI/T20) is the strongest among the Cricket playing nations. The team consists of highly talented and experinced players and a wellknit one. The batsmen have played very well at all times and the experienced fast bowlers were effective right from the beginning. England piled up huge scores in the Test Series and the bowlers were effective in getting out the top order Indian batsmen. The Indian top order failed miserably time and again and bowlers were hit for centuries! England deserves to win the ongoing ODI series!! India is yet to open its Account!!!

Posted by brittop on (September 10, 2011, 23:27 GMT)

@serious-am-i: only one hard fact. India played 7 lost 7 - everything else is an excuse.

Posted by Nampally on (September 10, 2011, 23:05 GMT)

It was good to see India fighting back twice in batting from a bad position to a respectable total. Just when the Indian Indian spinners got the upper hand, rain came in. This changed the complexion from England in serious trouble to relief. After resumption, Indian spinners had problems with the wet ball & Jadeja gave away about 18 runs in 2 overs. England is still weak against good spinners and if India had the leg spinner, Rahul Sharma, in the side he would have caused havoc. Myopic Indian selectors will learn from their mistakes.Anyway a winnable game got away from the ndian hands due to rain for the second time. In the First ODI rain saved England when Kumar was bowling his best & sent both Cook & Keiswetter packing for 10 runs. This young Indian side with just 4 of the World cup ODI winning side is still doing well not withstanding another loss.Untimely injuries to 7 key players, yet a close finish in the third ODI augers well for indian bench strength.Well Played India.

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 10, 2011, 22:58 GMT)

ayaz it looks like u forgot the main strike bowler in tests is one and only zaheer khan for India, as soon he got injured the morale was down for India and it was clearly visible for some one who follows Indian cricket closely. Its not a full strength side and as I said earlier, the performance in tests especially batting is to be condemned at the toughest level. Well u r speaking as if we (commenting users) are the selectors or players, it got nothing to do with us accepting some fact or not its not going to change a dime in the dressing room, if it did we suggested way better suggestions than what the selection committee put forward a pathetic half injured bunch, even if we had lost it wouldn't have mattered if new players got chance in tests, that didn't happen, so its useless discussing about that now. India needs to groom in better quickies and take proper care of them, there is a lack of fast bowling management in India compared to other major nations, that's been a big prob.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 10, 2011, 22:56 GMT)

No one is getting giddy about England beating India...most English fans are just "amused" at the Indian fans throwing excuses after excuses and what's most funny is the constant harping on how England will lose 0-5 in the upcoming tour to India. This series has been very boring to be honest. The only thing that is keeping my interest is coming in here after every English victory and the joy I get from reading the Indian response to these articles.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 10, 2011, 22:24 GMT)

@serious-am-i; more words that add up to a whole lot of nothing. And shame on you @hira02 for actually agreeing with him!!!.... "(England) wouldnt have had a chance playing against this second string indian side"! What utter Twaddle. indians were busy crowing about what their "number 1 test team" were going to do England in the Tests. They got THRASHED out of sight, then they claimed that was because England were "playing a second string, injured team". They said india would thrash England in the T20. india got Thrashed, and then india fans claimed it was because England were "playing a second string team". Then in the ODI's india fans said England "wouldn't have a chance against the World Champions". Now india have taken yet another Thrashing, and unsurprisingly - this is because England are playing a "second string team". It's getting tiresome.... "You wouldn't beat a full strength india" blah, blah, blah. Garbage. England are thrashing india - your comments simply aren't credible.

Posted by kashmniazi on (September 10, 2011, 22:17 GMT)

This has been by far the worst performance by an indian team touring england. I hope BCCI carries out a serious independent inquiry into the reasons for such a pathetic show by the no.1 ranked test team (before start of the tour) and ODI world champs, just as Cricket Australia did after their recent ashes defeat.

Posted by popped on (September 10, 2011, 22:16 GMT)

reality check for 95% of my Indian buddies commenting here make what ever excuses you may & yes they are sorry little silly excuses!!!and for those of you expect India to whitewash England when they visit people you are dreaming in the worst degree India might win the series but... you are dreaming of a white wash . seriously guys you need help about being in denial but if posting comments here makes you grief go away do it by all means ,but if you think anybody other than Indians belive it , you need professional help

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 22:11 GMT)

Its "PATHETIC" the way england is playing at the moment. They can't even comfortably win even a single match against a team whose 8 members are injured and rest with no form. And it will be even worse tomorrow when they lose to India "Z" team.

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 10, 2011, 21:59 GMT)

I am actually happy on the India's performance even though they lost as they at least gave a fight unlike the test matches. wombat when you say luck has nothing to do nothing u must be seriously kidding sir. So, a wet ball is easier to grip compared to a regular ball for spinners rite ? Thanks for educating me on this prospect & a 20 lesser runs on a spinning track is also hard for England to chase rite with of course 2 lesser overs of menacing spin bowling.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 21:32 GMT)

i am happy India A team is giving england a run for the money in english condition . rain, injury everything going englands way , the luck will run out soon and it will be back to normal . so enjoy till it lasts :)

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 21:23 GMT)

world champions looking for excuses and thanks to IPL blood money, they can find dime a dozen.

Posted by zico123 on (September 10, 2011, 21:03 GMT)

India have to play Aaron Varun if they want to give themselves any chance of winning the last 2 ODIs. stunned why Dhoni hasn't picked him yet, is he worried about his own soar fingers against fastest indian bowler!! throw the wicket keeping gloves to Partiv then! but we have to play Varun, no question. he is the fire power india need in bowling department

Posted by zico123 on (September 10, 2011, 21:02 GMT)

India have to play Aaron Varun if they want to give themselves any chance of winning the last 2 ODIs. stunned why Dhoni hasn't picked him yet, is he worried about his own soar fingers against fastest indian bowler!! throw the wicket keeping gloves to Partiv then! but we have to play Varun, no question. he is the fire power india need in bowling department

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 10, 2011, 20:46 GMT)

@5wombats: I did not give any excuses I just put down the hard facts. I am not defending the current on-going performance of Indian side but that doesn't mean England are doing miracles. You must be kidding to say luck has to do nothing with it, what happened in the first ODI ? The match was 60 - 40 at that stage if we had a full match, it could have been a close one with a second or rather third string side. Same applies to 3rd ODI, when spinners were troubling the batsmen, rain interrupted and its not easy gripping an wet ball for a spinner especially. Who ever resides in India doesn't even think the current side as even an India A side, this one more looks like IndiaB batsmen and India A side bowlers. I am not defending them but that's the hard fact and its not an excuse, if u want an excuse contact mr.Paul collingwood or dhoni. England have a long way to go if they need to be praised for their ODI's & a far better, they are no.1 tests no doubt about that though.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

its sad to see Indian fans justifying their team performance, calling it that England are playing against second string or some even saying C team, is it England's fault that most of your players prefer IPL over country? Played too much cricket and got injured right? And interestingly one by one all injured will be fit to play CL, amazing isn't it? Did England not demolish your full strength team in tests? If your world champ players are so good, why did you lose 4-0 in tests? You had your best players playing then right? And now people are sayng that rain comes to help Eng, wow thats some pathetic justification. Admit that your team is too pathetic in Eng conditions, untill and unless you dont admit it, your team will never learn from their mistakes!

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 10, 2011, 20:21 GMT)

@serious-am-i.. i couldnt have agreed with you anymore! you said what i was exactly thinking! if england had 8 first choice players missing and fielded a second string team they wouldnt have had a chance playing against this second string indian side!

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 10, 2011, 20:05 GMT)

@Hira02, are you really that deluded, before the rain Englands required run rate was about 4.5, after the rainthat increased to about 5.7 runs per over, how did the D/L system help them? Yes india fought back from 58-5 to post a reasonable total, and its something that the england management need to look at, india should never have made more than 175 after that start.

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 10, 2011, 19:57 GMT)

@oliverwebber..i know the truth hurts but this isnt real india your playin its india A.. and i like most other indians fans are only telling the truth but i know how badly u wish you'd seen eng beat a full strength indian side in this odi series but it woudlnt hav ever happend! and yes i know our second string players did well in all odis so far and im glad they gaining valuable experience.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 10, 2011, 19:52 GMT)

@serious-am-i ; you use a lot of words, but you say nothing except yet another lot of nonsense excuses. You give it away when you talk about "Luck favouring the home team". Nonsense. The match tally for india in this series is played 7 lost 7. Luck has nothing to do with it.

Posted by OliverWebber on (September 10, 2011, 19:35 GMT)

@most Indian fans: why do you do it? Why, after every defeat, do you insist on finding a whole list of reasons why the victory doesn't really count? (Weather, injury, pitches, Duckworth/Lewis, umpiring, DRS etc, yawn yawn yawn!) When England perform badly, their fans and media alike don't hesitate to criticise the players or selectors or whoever might be at fault. They don't look for excuses or insult the opposition. When England lost dramatically to WI in Jan 2009 (51 all out!) did everyone whinge and whine about conditions favouring WI bowlers, or about how it wasn't their fault, it was all because of the Moores/Peterson fiasco, or say "wait till you come to England"? No, Flower and Strauss knuckled down and fought and worked to make England a better team. So why do we all have to read comment after comment on here going on about how England somehow or other don't deserve these victories? Please, guys, give it a rest! And by the way, respect to India for a much better fight yesterday

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 10, 2011, 18:51 GMT)

How suprising! Eng got lucky again with rain coming in at crucial time and ind lost momentum and thus saving eng again like in Durham!.. this is like india A playing england and those people who are getting giddy about eng winning its just sad..given this is a second string indian team we must applaud them for their fight eg comin bck from 58-5..ind wouldve bowled them out had they had full 50 overs to bowl because i dont think they wouldve been able to handle the spin frm jadeja and ashwin much longer!

Posted by mensan on (September 10, 2011, 18:08 GMT)

@maddy20. If Parthiv Patel & RP Singh are rookies, then I must be missing something. You made me think I have wasted all these years (1978-~) watching cricket. lol.

Posted by mensan on (September 10, 2011, 17:59 GMT)

Certainly well played England. They defied all odds to win after rain. They have answers to everything offered by India this summer. By the way I could not find any indian here in this list http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/284268.html

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 10, 2011, 17:57 GMT)

This match really exposed English bowlers weakness in getting rid of a decent players after getting into a comfort zone. landl47, don't make absurd comments sir. Think while you post. You are comparing an home playing side with an side which players are playing as a second string side. Now give me this equation - remove cook, trott, anderson, swann, broad, morgan, kp, and 3 players which would be 9 in total and give them a chance to go ahead with the current indian squad. Remember this team is missing 9 players my dear, don't make comparisons based on stats. The so called experienced Indian players are used to be playing with seniors & not as IndiaB. English side is no way a younger side, look at how many represented in the WC, u don't call a team young and in-experienced when u have more than a bunch who had WC experience. I agree India is lacking firepower but that doesn't mean Eng are doing great. Luck is favoring home team with climate like it did for India before in an old series

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 17:53 GMT)

superb stuff...well articulated and measured article...and above all un-biased...Even if any English player reads it, sense of complacency will never creep in and if Indian player reads it, he wont get distraught. Oh Miller!

Posted by maddy20 on (September 10, 2011, 16:31 GMT)

@landl47 Agreed that the English team has 3 rookies, but the fact remains that almost all the Indian players in the ODI series are rookies. Ashwin, Jadeja, Vinay Kumar, Rahane, Parthiv Patel, RP Singh to name a few. Now you cannot call a side that has the likes of Cook, Bell, Bopara, Trott, Broad, Anderson, Bresnan, Swann an England B side. If anything you can call it a South Africa B side, Dernbach, Trott, Kieswetter being South African imports in the current squad, who have even played for SA under-19 side, apart from Pietersen and Andrew Strauss!

Posted by insightfulcricketer on (September 10, 2011, 16:04 GMT)

England One Day team is definitely on the ascendancy. Rather on relying on one player there are bunch of players who eagerly raise their hand when a scrap is on shows this is a top team .Cannot say that much for the Indian team. Top half still plays the flash game without somebody saying I will do the hard yards I will bat through. Atleast the dash of youth is making this Indian team look somewhat interesting

Posted by krici_lover on (September 10, 2011, 16:03 GMT)

I am not sure why Indian fans are sad about ODI performance. Nothing can remain on top forever. Success and failure are the part of game. You can learn from English fans, they are being rewarded for their perseverance. After facing humiliation of being supporter worst cricket playing nation (win-loss ratio) for last 10-20 years, a team that could never reach to even semi-finals of WC after 1992, who is yet to win any test series in sub-continent in last one decade or two (not including Bangla), finally got the reason of rejoice and forget their past. Before actually getting their act together, they had a forgettable series in WI, but finally they regrouped and came back strongly. This is just a phase and such phase comes in every player and team's life time. It is a new look team and I want to see similar new look team tests as well. Yes we need to find at least one strike bowler, like Anderson for Eng, Styne for SA and Zaheer for India that can provide initial breakthrough. Cheer up!!

Posted by landl47 on (September 10, 2011, 15:31 GMT)

@gazelle79: read again what I wrote and what you wrote. I identified the only time that India dominated as the Jadejar/Ashwin partnership and so did you! How does that lead you to think that I didn't watch the entire game (which I did, incidentally). Saying that with another 2 overs of spin India would 'in all probability' have got another wicket is a huge overstatement; they might have got another wicket, but since Jadejar got 2 in 9 overs, Ashwin 3 and Raina 0, the chances are only 1 in 4.5 for Jadejar and 1 in 3 for Ashwin, a far cry from 'in all probablility'. As for the teams, this is a young Indian team, but it is also a young England team, with a new captain and several players very new to international cricket (Kieswetter, Stokes, Dernbach). India actually have more experience in their side. If this is an India B side, then India are going to be playing their B side all the time in a couple of years when pretty much all the veterans retire. Get used to it.

Posted by deep123 on (September 10, 2011, 14:51 GMT)

Yes Eng is really impressive. Eng has really good bowling attack. Good for them. Enjoy for some time before India gets back to the top.

Posted by lokphy on (September 10, 2011, 14:47 GMT)

The win shows confidence of England and low-confidence of India. In normal days, England could have lost and India could have pulled a win.. I would like to congratulate England for showing will to win at every point of time in the game.. This is what India had before and now missing... I think good chance for youngsters to learn. After IPL, Ravinder Jadeja has improved... let's hope Aaron gets a game in the remaining matches... We shouldn't feel bad over Indian loss.. this was a good contest.. and I also feel that India is also having bad luck. Two times in the series when they were on top.. rain halted and that takes away the momentum you gain.. but that is only one thing, this England team is playing very good...

Posted by analyseabhishek on (September 10, 2011, 14:32 GMT)

India should really be happy to have gone this far after being 25/4 and then 58/5. The spinners also came good. Now a little extra slice of luck is all that is needed to start a turnaround!

Posted by BuffetBowling on (September 10, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

It is becoming hard to overstate the importance of Craig Kieswetter at the top of the order, if it wasn't for his quick 50 yesterday we would have been in trouble. It will be a big ask to take the return series in India but if we apply ourselves, we can do it, especially if Kieswetter continues his rich vein of form. True, the loss of Morgan is a massive blow but don't forget Ian Bell, who I would say is a better player of spin than Pietersen. The form he's in at present, he's due a monstrous ODI innings. When he gets out in ODIs he is never truly beaten by the bowler, it is always a stupid stumping like yesterday or he smacks a lofted drive to extra cover or something. If he can iron these little lapses of concentration out he will be a serious weapon in limited overs - scores runs quicky, quick feet, soft hands, decent player of spin, plenty of shots in his locker, scores all round the ground

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 13:49 GMT)

@davidpk: i agree with you England is the #1 team in the world..r we talking about Odis???...So whats the rank of Australia MAY BE NO.5 EVEN AFTER DEFEATING WORLD NO.1 TEAM BY 6-1 after ashes tests...Now the reality is : India are ranked 4th and England are ranked 5th in the Odis with a very minor difference between ranking points..I see the current odi series as a battle for 4th Odi ranking spot n may be even 3rd and once this series is over,the battle for the same spot will begin in India...If you are saying India are WC champs n tht should satisfy your winning,then ou r acknowledging that India actually won it by skill whether at home or not and not by fluke...To add,England has the best batting lineup in the world...wonder y they never bat first with such mighty batting line up...Bell or Pietersen(had he playled) would have scored another 200 in Odis and England would have crossed 400 for the 1st tym..they can still beat India after making 400..but they wanted to make 450...lolz

Posted by lokphy on (September 10, 2011, 13:46 GMT)

The win shows confidence of England and low-confidence of India. In normal days, England could have lost and India could have pulled a win.. I would like to congratulate England for showing will to win at every point of time in the game.. This is what India had before and now missing... I think good chance for youngsters to learn. After IPL, Ravinder Jadeja has improved... let's hope Aaron gets a game in the remaining matches... We shouldn't feel bad over Indian loss.. this was a good contest.. and I also feel that India is also having bad luck. Two times in the series when they were on top.. rain halted and that takes away the momentum you gain.. but that is only one thing, this England team is playing very good...

Posted by ADB1 on (September 10, 2011, 13:15 GMT)

@krici_lover "choose from those what English team used to give for all their losses in subcontinent - Depression of players, Heat, Dust, Turning Track etc..." Care to back that statement up with some evidence? Thought not. As we have seen all sereis, it is India that are the kings of excuses.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

@ those who think that India have new "kids" so give excuse of defeat, for your kind information... current tally of ODIs played by england is 609 And that of India is 974...

Hahaha... still india have more expirence even if u exclude dravid 342 ODIs, still india has more expirence than England.... SO its real shame if they are being beaten up in ODIs too where they are world champs after being strangulated in tests where they were number 1

Posted by Nampally on (September 10, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

India played their best match of the tour. Unfortunately, they lost a very close game.Jadeja was magnificient and silenced many of his critics.His all round performance was a treat to watch.Raina was brilliant in the field. If only he contributed a few more runs, India would have won. However the best came from Ashwin in his batting with about 35 runs at a strike rate of nearly 200. At one point the match was tilted in favour of India with Ashwin & Jadeja making the batsmen very vulnerable. Rain intervened and a wet ball proved fatal for these 2 spinners.There were as many as 6 confident LBW appeals - Bell appeared to have been out on the first one. Again if any of these appeals had gone the Indian way, India would have won. But it was a gallant fight from India right up to the end. This was what India lacked so far -Guts. If they continue in this vein, thay may yet win the remaining 2 matchess.Dhoni was again puzzling as a captain - Kumar bowled only 4 overs while Munaf bowled 8!.

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 10, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

im not sure it will spin as much or as fast in india as it did at the oval last night. the game in india during the world cup were englad just failed to win is to go by. so maybe more even than u think in terms of english scores. but would be very surprised if india did not win 0 - 5. because i guess india at home can run down most scores. so at least that will cheer u guys up. i was going to say as u have had nothing much to say in england. but even as bad as u have done, it has not stopped your unusual slants on the game of cricket. dpk

Posted by pxm1969 on (September 10, 2011, 12:34 GMT)

A bit harsh on poor Ravi Bopara - he got 40 from 41 balls, not 52 balls.

It was a fine innings, only slightly marred by failing to see things through to the end. He has the ability to re-define himself as a calm 'finisher' at 6 rather than a big hitter higher up the order, with a side order as the sixth bowling option.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 12:09 GMT)

Excuses...excuses...and more excuses....How long this will continue? I remember an injured Aus (10 or so ppl out of team) defeated India 5-0 in ODIs in India in 2009. It's your bench strength dammit!

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 10, 2011, 12:07 GMT)

india should have more reason to be happy than sad. if i was indian supporter the way the youger guys have played has been refreshing more so than saying they r a / b sides. they stand u in good stead for the future. stop crying and look forward to what they may give you. same as tests the old guys should know they have had their time move on to the ipl let these guys take india onwards. dpk

Posted by puneet_usa on (September 10, 2011, 11:54 GMT)

Well as an Indian Supporter it is an encouraging sign to see that Indian youngsters are getting opportunities in midst of injury hit English trip- What I have noticed so far,there are pretty obvious signs of an Indian Team Revival- I am still looking forward to the fastest bowler in Indian Team- Aaron to get an opportunity- If he can clock around 145-150 Kms- I think we will be able to say that we have added a genuine fast bowler- Raw Pace will do good on most occasions- Of course there will be bad/horrible days when bowlers of the rank of Mcgrath,Akhtar,Bret Lee,Steyn,Pollock,Donald,Akram,Younis,etc got hammered all around the park- if India Manages to level the series 2-2 by wining next two games- I am expecting a 5-0 whitewash when the England Team tours India- Hard to believe for the newly crowned Leading Test Team but time will tell how long they can sustain the intensity over in India...Good Luck to the Brits but it will be a landmark moment if they manage to beat India in India.

Posted by bumsonseats on (September 10, 2011, 11:52 GMT)

we had 0 - 4 to india in tests. then 1- 3 and so on then 0 - 5 to india in 1 dayers. india now seem to have given this series up. now its what india will do to the world # 1 england in india. with all their players back its only 1 dayers so how will u knock england of that perch. come on india get a grip. dpk

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 11:43 GMT)

Whitewash, here india comes...

Posted by robble on (September 10, 2011, 11:40 GMT)

Cardiodoctor...yawn yawn yawn, we've heard it all before. Maybe India should pick up some English county players. They may have a chance of winning a game.

Posted by WTEH on (September 10, 2011, 11:23 GMT)

A win, a single lousy win!!!, Damn it Cook, don't be so ruthless, India are the world champions. Give a simple chance to save the face. Rest the current 11 and let somebody else play so India can try to win a game for the summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 11:08 GMT)

I saw the entire English innings yesterday and I still feel that India were no where close to mark and if they continue to do what they did here at the Oval, the English, rejoice cause you sure gonna get that whitewash you totally deserve! Why am I saying so? Well: 1. Target became stiffer after the DWL revsion, other wise just would have been another cake walk. 2. Bowling was listless inpsite of the 7 wickets that thy gt. Most were because the batsmen played loose shots. I mean all of them struggled to discipline to pitch the ball in the right areas. 3. Field placement was shoddy and defensive that actually allowed Bopara-Bresnan to tick off and help win the match. 4. At crucial moments, Dhoni failed to attack and tighten the noose. It was quite frustrating to see part time bowlers and Munaf bowl to ensure an English victory while over the top fielders like Kohli and small legged Patel struggled to keep the ball within their grasp. Overall uninspired and disheartening performance

Posted by SgCricketer on (September 10, 2011, 11:00 GMT)

@Herath is still seething from Sri Lanka's world cup final loss. He is quick to criticise India. England are playing at home against a side with at least 6 of their top players injured. Agreed that India surrendered meekly for the Test matches but in one-dayers they are really showing some good fight. And look what a full strength Sri lanka is doing in their home series...absolutely getting thrashed by Australia. The Indian side that played yesterday can beat Sri Lanka anywhere anytime.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 10:49 GMT)

now what excuse do people who said "lets see in a real ODI what happens to Eng" have now? accept defeat dear Indian fans, if you dont accept it, you can never learn from your mistakes!

Posted by T-800 on (September 10, 2011, 10:49 GMT)

Munaf Patel needs to retool. I'm glad that he looks up to Glenn McGrath and is keen on emulating McGrath's obsession with line and length. That alone will not do the trick though.

You see McGrath had another skill in his armory and that was extracting variable bounce. The line and length kept the batsman tied up and the variable bounce got him his wickets. Now Munaf is quite a big man, I think 6 foot 2 something but he is not as tall as Glenn who is I think 6 foot 8 or may be more. So Munaf needs to develop other skills to keep the batsman guessing. In this regard I would suggest he take some lessons from Ventakesh Prasad on how to bowl a good leg cutter.

Line and Length plus that leg cutter could make Munaf that killer bowler.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 10:45 GMT)

seems like this INDIAN C team is the future of Indian ODIs.....Raina,Kohli, Praveen, RP, Jadeja,ashwin,tiwari, rohit, etc would be taking the front seats once tendulkar, sehwag,yuvi, gambhir leave.....which would mean india lacks bench strength and have a complacent side

Posted by krici_lover on (September 10, 2011, 10:30 GMT)

@kancnaic - at least Dhoni will give cricketing reasons and will be honest enough in accepting limitation of various departments within his own team. But as far as reasons are concerned, you can better choose from those what English team used to give for all their losses in subcontinent - Depression of players, Heat, Dust, Turning Track etc...

Posted by demon_bowler on (September 10, 2011, 10:14 GMT)

"Though Morgan's understudy, Bopara, came through a tough challenge well enough in the end, his 40 from 52 balls still epitomises a middle order that doesn't know when to stick or twist - when to dispense with the canny accumulation and turn on the after-burners." Can't agree with that, Andrew. Bopara judged it perfectly. Though he didn't quite see it home, there would have been serious questions if a strong tail like England's hadn't managed a mere 10 runs off 13 balls.

Posted by cardiodoctor on (September 10, 2011, 10:05 GMT)

Herath - Sri Lanka struggled with a full side. India have only 4 of their regular team. Also note - Kieswetter - South African. Trott- South African. Pietersen- South African. Dernbach - South African. Morgan - Irish. Stokes- Kiwi- Seems like this is more an International 11 than an English 11!!!

Posted by salazar555 on (September 10, 2011, 10:00 GMT)

No interest left in this series. Premier league has started, Rugby world cup has started and England are 7-0 up in games. Time for this poor Indian side to go home. They need to be put out of their misery.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 9:59 GMT)

Idiotic review "green top"? I hardly saw a ball from either side seam all day. Swing? Yes plenty of swing - but that's a product of the overcast conditions not the pitch The surface was brown without a hint of green on the grass. David Lloyd (who I spoke to at the ground) muttered about the surface being an excellent batting pitch - and it was. It was the overhead conditions that got Anderson's swing going. These are conditions he won't get in India next month, and IMO he is the seamer who should be discarded for that series. Bresnan is a good reverser of the old ball, and Broad bats and has more bounced with the new.

Posted by krici_lover on (September 10, 2011, 9:53 GMT)

@Ranil_herath UK, are you not following Aus-SL Series, where rain may save SL from home series white wash. Dude go there an put your comments,

Posted by kancnaic on (September 10, 2011, 9:53 GMT)

PLEASE SELECT THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS AND VERIFY IT YOURSELF AFTER THE MATCH 1) India will lose the next match by a)six wickets b) five wickets c)beolw 100 runs d)more than 100 runs. 2)What will be Dhoni's reason for next match defeat a)poor batting b) poor bowling 3)jpoor fielding 4)toss

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 9:38 GMT)

Well considering this an Indian C team I think it was good performance from India. The pitch taking a bit of spin and it is already clear that this so called number one team is going to struggle in the subcontinent. When the big hitters Shewag, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Yuvraj backed up by the new boys Jadeja, Ashwin Raina in the spin department a fully fit Zak and Ishant as back up I can see India turning over the number one boys with something to spare.

Posted by rob2011 on (September 10, 2011, 9:34 GMT)

Ummm, Bopara actually scored 40 in 41 not 40 in 52 - if anything his innings had just the right balance of 'sticking' and 'twisting' - directly before he got out he scored a 4 which essentially left our tail with a very small task indeed. In large part I agree that there is something not quite right about our batting without kp and morgs, especially in our ability to deal with spin, but perhaps you might want to save your barbs, for trott (who scored slowly and got out horribly), and bell (foolishly run out). You already slated Bopara a few days back too saying he reminds you of the last days of Owais Shah - your attitude towards him now seems more one of personal distaste than analytical rigour. I've criticised him plenty in the past, but you must also give him some credit when he actually plays an innings of determination and guile (even if he couldn't quite see it through): bear in mind also the distasteful booing from the Indin supporters he put up with!

Posted by kashif670 on (September 10, 2011, 9:29 GMT)

i sense a whitewash!!!! whitewash!!!!!! whitewash!!!!!!!

Posted by pom_don on (September 10, 2011, 9:24 GMT)

I hope England carry on it's rich vein of form to Sundays match it would be nice to see Cook really go for the kill rather than take the steady (but safe & winning) option, mind you the way the summer has gone England's show of concentration has been top drawer......keep it up boys at least with India's new blood we have a game on our hands at last!

Posted by cric4lyf on (September 10, 2011, 9:11 GMT)

World champs defeated again. 4 matches consecucutive defeat and slip to no 4 in ODI ranking. what a shame. sehwag we need u.cum back.

Posted by popped on (September 10, 2011, 8:59 GMT)

both these teams are not full strength ,the hypocritical comments of Indian fans are unbelievable, safe to say the English ran in to strife with the spinners ,but safe to say English had it in the bag all along how ever some will disagree , those will be the fanatics who always take exception to everything!! the Indian youngsters performed excellently -this is the way forward for them Indians should have faith in them , I can see even the fans don't believe in them keep calling them second stringers and so forth

Posted by ptal3 on (September 10, 2011, 8:48 GMT)

Indian should also trim the fat from their team and drop oldies like Sachin, Zaheer etc from the ODI team. They have been gr8 and helped Indian won the WC. But lets face it they will not be around or at their best by 2015. Its time to take a step back and start building the team for 2015.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (September 10, 2011, 8:48 GMT)

agree with landl47. India had run rate at 3.75 until the 43rd over or something like that. England were completely dominant in the bowling except for the powerplay 3, in which india came back splendidly. England openers dominated until that 3-4 wicket stint that india pulled off, and then england came back. Only thing England need to be truly dominant is a proper all rounder. Too bad Freddie aint playing and Ben Stokes looks more of a T20 player. Bopara's decent but not great

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 10, 2011, 8:44 GMT)

@BabishMohan - you mean they way England handled the spinners WITHOUT their 2 best players of spin, right? @Baskar Guha - I guess nowadays unless the track is completely brown, anything less is considered a greentop, right? You Indian fans still amazes me...but just to put that Indian B or C or F or whatever letter you want to assign it, England were without their 2 best ODI batsmen...went in with a 6/5 batsmen/bowler combo with one of the 6 batsman being a rookie who has never faced a single ball in an ODI, a rookie ODI captain who until 6 months ago was not considered good enough to be able to play that form of the game, a wk who's been dropped recalled dropped recalled again...so my no means England has a settled side with the exception of its bowling unit. Probably the difference between winning and losing because both batting lineup are just as helter skelter.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 8:22 GMT)

I love the fact that people are moaning about England winning against a virtual 'B' side from India, the fact is...its cricket, therefore a country of 1.6 Billion people, India have an immense catalogue of players to choose from, or should have. England have fielded a strong side, not there best, just strong and therefore could be considered a 'B' side themselves. India are supposed to be '50 over champions' and with many of the same players playing in the last world cup I wouldn't consider their team to be a 'B' side rather a team that has lost the will to play cricket. The IPL doesn't look like such a good idea now for india, with too much cricket being played and too much money involved no wonder so many of their 'GREAT' players are injured or overcooked from playing too much. England now should take great pride in their efforts this summer, their rise and their continued domination of playing better cricket over their opposition.

Posted by tpjpower on (September 10, 2011, 8:20 GMT)

Bopara faced 41 balls, not 52. Not sure the comment about his tempo is quite justified.

Posted by KentandQPR on (September 10, 2011, 8:15 GMT)

Forget Boycott Bingo - let's change it for Indian fans' list of excuses. Check them off: > English conditions > Pitch > We've got injuries (obviously England missing their two best ODI batsman doesn't count) > DRS (even if not being used) > Rain > Duckworth Lewis > Umpires > It's a bit cold > Tiredness > Etc

It's boring, chaps. You've had plenty of great days against England. Now we're winning time and time again so give us our due. 4-0 and 2-0 doesn't really lie, does it?

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 8:14 GMT)

india just doesnt have luck now this time when they started to dominate when jadeja and r ashwin were bowling just like when we had england 27-2 at durham it rained buti dhoni ashwin ms dhoni were the reason we had such a intresting match in batting they were the ones who batted and these were the men who got india wickets and 1 by munaf and today we got to know what is going to happen in october provided india dont play bhajji

Posted by Green_How on (September 10, 2011, 8:07 GMT)

Overall a good win for England as they continue to dominate India. Having watched alot of the test/t20/ODIs this summer i think this was the most encouraging performance from what has generally been a woeful Indian side. I think this upturn coincides with the introduction of some younger and hungrier players, looking like they actually want to wear the Indian shirt. When you read on Cricinfo that Harbajan has declared himself fit for the Champs league it says all you need to know about him and possibly some of the original touring party that have gone home. Time for India to invest in the likes of Jadeja and Ashwin and ditch the stars who no longer see the national team as a priority.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 8:03 GMT)

It's hard to understand why England is persisting with Dernbach. They say he's a specialist ODI bowler but in every match he's the most expensive bowler and he doesn't take wickets too. Finn could also be given a chance. With the present form of their top and middle order its not far-fetched that they could suffer a whitewash when they come to the subcontinent.

Posted by Herath-UK on (September 10, 2011, 7:50 GMT)

Will India lose ODIs too 4/0 now;has it happened ever before by a team losing both Tests & ODIs with a whitewash.Sri Lana's ODI s series was competitive & decided only at the last game.More Indian crowd at the ground because the English have lost the interest. Ranil Herath - Kent

Posted by OliverWebber on (September 10, 2011, 7:15 GMT)

Very impressed with Jadeja and Ashwin - and as Cook would I'm sure be the first to admit, he's got a fair bit to learn about captaincy, especially in situations where his bowlers have lost control. But I think both teams would be encouraged by this game: India now have several young players who seem to be showing fight and inspiration, and as Miller said, England continue to find ways of winning even when they haven't played as well as they should. In any case, it's great to have an exciting game like this after so many one-sided affairs!

Posted by Simon74 on (September 10, 2011, 6:57 GMT)

I think it's hard to draw too many definitive conclusions about either side - a slightly weakened/experimental England side vs a very weakened/experimental Indian side in some wet autumn day-nighters... it's the kind of series England have to win and just tick off their list, rather than get too excited about. But at least they're doing that, and in decent fashion as well. I do like the looks of India's younger players - I think Duncan Fletcher has a lot to work with for the next generation, provided he gets some support from the BCCI. I think the series in India will be fascinating...

Posted by gazelle79 on (September 10, 2011, 6:51 GMT)

@landl47 , I dont think you watched the entire match . Both sides had very few periods of domination . England reducing India to 23-4 was one and the Jadeja- Ashwin partnership was another . The England opening partnership was good but not dominant . What Miller meant when he wrote about D/L helping England more was that it necessarily meant 2 less overs of spin ( or even more given the way Raina bowled ) and that would in all probability have been enough to get that one wicket which kept India at bay . With all due respect to Jimmy Anderson , the chances of him winning the match for his team against quality spin is low . All in all , it was a very close match and the winner was the more settled team . Given that India is playing a veritable B team due to injuries , that isnt something for England to write home about ( which reminds me , England are at home, arent they ?

Posted by ShilajitBava on (September 10, 2011, 6:46 GMT)

Good fight shown from our young team!! The future bodes well if the spirit is kept up like this!! Excellent to see Jadeja and Ash do so well!! The pacers couldn't quite back up and the top order had an off-day, reversing roles with the middle order!!

We should b proud of this wounded, depleted side if they churn up such performances!! I am!!

Can't xpect such a young team to win all matches!! Great fight shown with the ball too y'day!! The total was too less to defend!!! 75% fault on the bats, rest on Munna!! Thought RP bwld Ok and PK wasn't tried later on!! This team, if the bwlrs r handed properly, will certainly come into its own in the future, sooner than later!! Eng r comin to India nxt!! Hope, we don't go back to SRT or a half fit Viru, Gauti or Zak!! Even, a clueless Bhajji should b excluded, even after takin into consideration his ODIs value!

We'll b ROCKING again!

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 6:39 GMT)

Not seen such a green top for an ODI encounter. Given that, India with its second stringers did better than expected. Yes, they lost the match but the fact that they got so many runs at the death that too with bowling all-rounders must be a concern for England's best bowlers.

Posted by BabishMohan on (September 10, 2011, 5:52 GMT)

The way English top and middle order handled the spinners does give the impression that their stay at No 1 will be short lived the moment they embark to a subcontinent tour. Playing good spin should also be regarded as an ability when people talk about fast / swing bowling weakness as the only problem. Luckily for England there are no great spinners available in the subcontinent right now.

Posted by   on (September 10, 2011, 5:42 GMT)

As harsha said in his article the battle between india vs england is looking like fedex vs rafa at rolland garros even in ondayers also.The class n elegance vs the power n dominance.But still federer have won one french open tiltle n gave a tough fight in 2011 against nadal but india not yet registered a single win n given up in tests against ruthless england team.Hope India n fedex to come their winning ways soon.

Posted by vinchester on (September 10, 2011, 5:35 GMT)

India is missing a trick; IN english conditions always open with players who have experience of playing it; Thus RAhul must open probably with kohli or Raina; especially when you know there is devil in the pitch as yesterday at the Oval.

Posted by landl47 on (September 10, 2011, 5:17 GMT)

A bit too much hyperbole here. The only time India dominated this contest was for a couple of overs towards the end of their innings, when Jadejar and Ashwin scored quickly, and by then it was already too late. India picked up a couple of quick wickets just before the rain break, but England were already ahead of the run rate and the wickets they lost were only their second and third. The D/L calculation of 218 wasn't overly generous to England- only 17 runs less than they needed originally but in 7 overs less. When you consider that India made 60 in their last 5 overs, taking away a miserable 17 for the 7 overs lost definitely did not favor England. However, England's 7,8 and 9 of Bresnan, Broad and Swann are the best in the game and England always looked likely to win. I don't really like England's balance yet- they need Patel to give them another bowling option. With Bopara as 6th bowler, Patel in place of Dernbach strengthens both batting and bowling.

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