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Broad ruled out of India tour

Andrew McGlashan

September 12, 2011

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Stuart Broad clutches his tricep in pain, England v India, 4th ODI, Lord's, September 11, 2011
Stuart Broad holds his arm in pain during his 10th over at Lord's © PA Photos
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Stuart Broad has been ruled out of the remainder of England's home season, as well as the five-match ODI series in India next month, after sustaining a muscle tear to his right shoulder. He suffered the injury while bowling during the tied fourth ODI at Lord's on Sunday, and will now miss both the final match in Cardiff next Friday, and the two Twenty20s against West Indies, which he was due to captain.

ECB chief medical officer, Dr Nick Peirce, said: "Stuart has a muscle tear within his shoulder and will require an initial period of rest and rehabilitation. Exact timescales will be determined in due course but he is likely to be ruled out of cricket for a number of weeks."

If his recovery goes to plan, there is a chance Broad could be fit to join the England squad and resume his captaincy duties for the one-off Twenty20 against India in Kolkata on October 29.

Broad had earlier revealed there was "bad news" about the extent of the injury he picked up two balls into his final over of the Lord's ODI. "Bad news on the shoulder, torn a muscle, I know which one, just can't spell it. Gutted," he posted on Twitter. He was subsequently dosed up on painkillers and ready to bat at No.11 if needed during England's chase, which was ended seven balls early by rain.

With Morgan, England's Twenty20 vice-captain, sidelined due to a shoulder injury there is no obvious replacement for Broad as captain. One option would be to give the job to the 50-over captain, Alastair Cook, but he refused to think too far ahead, saying, "We'll cross all those bridges when they arrive."

The fact that the one-day series is now safe for England takes pressure off the final match at Cardiff on Friday. Jade Dernbach was left out at Lord's - England played Steven Finn instead - so he would be the logical replacement for Broad in Cardiff. However, the pitch can favour spin so it may be an opportunity to give Samit Patel another outing before the Twenty20s against West Indies and the tour to India.

England have had been hit by far fewer injuries than India during the Test and one-day series, but had to contend with some problems nonetheless. Chris Tremlett (back) missed three Tests and Jonathan Trott (shoulder) two, while Morgan was ruled out of action following the first one-day international at Chester-le-Street.

For Broad, meanwhile, it adds to an injury-hit 10 months which included the stomach strain that ruled him out of the final three Ashes Tests in Australia, and the rib injury which ended his World Cup campaign. He had been dropped from the one-day side after a lacklustre first half of the English summer against Sri Lanka, but enjoyed a superb second half to the season which included a Man of the Series performance in the 4-0 Test whitewash against India.

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Posted by gunnerr4life on (September 14, 2011, 22:36 GMT)

@OliverWebber Can't agree more ! and now we are hearing England being white washed when they tour India . Indian fans are an exception .

Posted by gunnerr4life on (September 14, 2011, 22:33 GMT)

This could be a loss for England . Jade Dernbach is obviously a quality replacement but he could be expensive on Sub-continent wickets .

Posted by SaravananIsTheBest on (September 14, 2011, 22:27 GMT)

Well Broad, escaped'uh? Let us see who else is getting a chance to escape. Last time when England played India, frontine pacers likes of Anderson, Broad were afraid to play. Come on Anderson, time for you to tear a muscle, otherwise you'll be torn up on India..

Posted by Praxis on (September 14, 2011, 11:09 GMT)

England won't be worried too much. I think in Indian condition Bresnan is going to be most effective, also Jade Dernbach will be pretty good with his variation in later overs.

Posted by Tatsache on (September 14, 2011, 11:07 GMT)

please can anybody tell...eng vs ind test series is playing in india on oct or nov?...its confirmed ? or just playing ODI and T20 ?? in india.

Posted by OliverWebber on (September 14, 2011, 8:29 GMT)

So tired of reading these aggressive comments from (some) Indian fans. We heard "4-0" before the tests, then 3-1, 2-2, 1-3; then 5-0 before the one-dayers, and so on. Every time England win there are endless insults and excuses - please, give it a rest! And as for accusing Broad of faking his injury, that's just about the most absurd nonsense I've ever read here. And MeanBeans - there's nothing mysterious about depression, by the way, just ask anyone who's suffered from it. We all still miss Trescothick - truly a superb player in any form of the game. I'm sure it will be a tougher contest in India, especially as England are most definitely not yet a great one-day side, and Cook is still learning the ropes. I think it could be close and either side could win. One thing I'm confident of: if England lose, fans will not be queuing up with excuses, they'll be talking about what mistakes were made and how to rectify them.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 14, 2011, 7:48 GMT)

@landl47; hey mate. LOL. Tell it how it is. IMO india are in BIG trouble in Tests NOW. Indians can say and believe what they like but the scoreboard doesn't lie.. @bigwonder; you're having a laugh about ridiculous comments - right. @puntertakeson; how about indian Tests display in England? Its very pathetic isn't it ? England is without main players - Tremlett, Trott and Still England crushed india by a whitewash 4-0 and record Innings defeats. Not ridiclous @bigwonder - the truth. Perhaps it's the truth that is ridiculous - ah yes, that must be it.

Posted by Truemans_Ghost on (September 14, 2011, 7:00 GMT)

@shhy, that wasn't really my point. England will struggle in India- it is only a one day series they are still a badly inconsistant one day team, although they are a better team and India a worse team than last time they were there and I think the series will be close. My point is that it is ludicrous to suggest that a member of the England team at the moment with confidence so high, would feign an injury so as not to have to face India regardless of where it was played

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 14, 2011, 5:23 GMT)

So what happened last time a full strength Indian squad met England on Indian soil? Short memories eh? And btw, this October's tour will feature all the major venues of India...not like in 2008 where they played in places like Kanpur, Rajkot, Cuttack, etc which tip the balance hugely in favor of India back then.

Posted by landl47 on (September 14, 2011, 4:35 GMT)

To all those Indian fans claiming that this was India's B or C team, think about this: in 2 years or less, at least half of India's so-called A team will have retired or been dropped. This will be the A team then, so get used to it. Second, has this India B team played better or worse than the A team who played in the tests? I'd say better- at least they've given England a game and they've been able to bat and field. Maybe the Indian selectors should keep these guys in. Third, cricket matches are won by bowlers. The only bowler missing is Zaheer, apart from the out-of-form Bhaji, and Zaheer won't be available for the England ODI tour. BTW, happy 33rd birthday on 7th October, Zak. I guess you won't be getting any quicker- the only way from here is downhill. The upcoming ODI tour might be India's last hurrah, so make the most of it. By the tour of 2012, India will be in big trouble.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 14, 2011, 3:47 GMT)

I forgot to mention...Broad was the highest wicket taker for the English in that aborted 2008 tour. So him being injured now is indeed a big loss but nothing the English can't manage. If anyone should chicken out, it should be Anderson. But am sure all you Indians think the 2008 Broad is the same as the 2011 version. Well keep on preaching my friends :-)

Posted by serious-am-i on (September 13, 2011, 23:55 GMT)

now when England are going to arrive with a few drop outs, its going to be the english excuses floating around for english losses. @valavan & @shan: I wouldn't say India would win it 5-0, if India gets back at least 50% injured players back, then I would say 3 - 2 or 4 - 1 on the cards else, it will be one tough series. Remember, England has just 1 spinner in Swann - wouldn't consider Patel a quality spinner though, if he picks up an injury then get ready for ur excuses to follow. Now, the teams will play in a much cooler climate, I wish to see England in India during the hot summer especially in wickets such as Chennai or Kochi and see how they fare. I am worried about the injuries which the CLT20 would bring about now, 4 Indian teams are participating and I am expecting at least 2 more injuries from the current Indian squad to add-up.

Posted by bigwonder on (September 13, 2011, 22:34 GMT)

@itsthewayuplay, good point, but it can be argued both ways. Current England players don't have much experience in India so just going on the mere fact that they can bounce the ball is not always going to work - remember dusty Vs. green pitches. Also, don't forget the crowd factor. Either way, some of the ridiculous comments posted are in no way reflective of all English supporters.

Posted by Valavan on (September 13, 2011, 21:09 GMT)

@Puntertakeson, as simple as your words show your ignorance in cricket. Well England won the Test series in 1984/85 under Gower, also to say before 2006, India never won a ODI series against England in India. You can check the cricinfo statistics. Calm down guys, we are better prepared this time. You can always talk here, we do the talking in field. see u...

Posted by Shan156 on (September 13, 2011, 20:05 GMT)

@Valavan, thanks mate.

@puntertakeson, 35 years, eh? That should be from 1976 then. England won 3 tests in the 1976-1977 series to win the series 3-1, the golden jubilee test in 1980, two tests to win the series 2-1 in 1984-1985 and a test in 2006 in Mumbai to tie the series 1-1. That makes it 7 test victories. They lost 9 tests in India. In the same period, India have won 4 tests in England and have lost 9. Just to put England's record in India in perspective, in the same period, Australia have won 4 and lost 12 in India. At least do some research before trolling.

Posted by puntertakeson on (September 13, 2011, 19:56 GMT)

@Valavan how about Srilankan display in England. Its very pathetic isn't it ? India is without 8 main player Still we are performing better.

Posted by Valavan on (September 13, 2011, 17:51 GMT)

@shan156, thats really amazing stats from you. @rahulcricket007, you can see 5 - 0 on cards only, not in scorecard. Dont be so hilarious by saying 5 - 0 even before toss, we dont think we will let you whitewash, And ye for all indian fans, this is not the england of 2006 or 2008, this is new era, new dawn, we will take one series at a time, still one more game to send the indians empty handed, after that we will stratergize our games, cricinfo please publish...

Posted by puntertakeson on (September 13, 2011, 17:24 GMT)

@Shan156 Is it like England won only one test match in India in 35 years lol.

Posted by Shan156 on (September 13, 2011, 17:02 GMT)

Enjoying the comments by Indian fans. When Zaheer, Bhajan, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Ishant, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Rohit left England, they had genuine injuries and actually England are lucky that they got injured. When Broad picks up an injury, it is because he is scared to face the "mighty" Indians who would have thrashed Lloyd's Windies and Don's invincibles had they played them. Swann is a poor bowler because he picked up only 9 wickets in 6 ODIs in India but Laxman is world's third greatest batsmen ever (after Sachin and Rahul) even though he averages a mediocre 30 against England without a single century. Sehwag is the world's most destructive batsmen ever and was going to hammer England some day - even though he came to bag a king pair. Keep going Indian fans. It is hilarious. I am just waiting for someone to tell us that this Indian team is the best team ever and Zaheer > Akram, Bhajan > Warne and Ishant > Holding. Please don't disappoint us.

Posted by puntertakeson on (September 13, 2011, 16:18 GMT)

Broad is a over rated player. He is just praying his way out from humiliation he going to face in India.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (September 13, 2011, 15:54 GMT)

It would have been interesting to see whether Broad adjusted better to Indian conditions than the Indians have on this disastrous tour. I feel the height and bounce of Tremlett (if fit) and Finn who is also genuinely quick will test India on their flat pitches. Three other factors worth considering: 1.Indians bowlers rely on swing and spin and if they are on offer they could be negated by Anderson and Swann. 2. Only Dravid has played Swann well and he of course won't be playing ODI any more. 3.India has already played a lot of cricket recently and will played a lot more by the time the ODIs roll around and mental and physical fatigue will IMO become even more apparent than we have seen so far. For these reasons and many more, I expect a close contest. To my fellow Indian supporters don't underestimate England just yet or you run the risk of ending up with egg on your face. Finally some of the ridiculous comments posted are in no way reflective of all Indian supporters.

Posted by bigwonder on (September 13, 2011, 14:37 GMT)

@Ahsan_Shere, and ECB said it would be fair play as well. You got the point.

Posted by bigwonder on (September 13, 2011, 14:35 GMT)

@BoonBoom, same goes true for India. One bad series does not mean they are down. Stop contradicting yourself. Anderson has bad record outside of England, just check his stats.

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 14:03 GMT)

@aracer:correction: grame bowled 9 overs in WC vs India and he was scored 59 runs in those 9 overs n got 1 wicket...Yes he is the yardstick/benchmark along with Vettori as they exchanged no.1 postions between themselves in the last year....He is a very gud bowler..I wasnt criticising him...just comparing the stats...

Posted by Chris_P on (September 13, 2011, 12:41 GMT)

@Manish Srivastava. Your whole team is going to be fit!!!! LOL. They have never been and never will be fit. Too funny. Just accept the fact they have the measure on India & move on. How hard is that to do? We did it last summer when we lost the Ashes. Your team is didn't cope, they came up short, your legends will be retiring and your bowling is atttack is a joke. How are they going to win?

Posted by Ahsan_Shere on (September 13, 2011, 11:55 GMT)

@Manish Srivastava: You were going to win England Test Series 4-0 too.......I read more than hundred articles on cricinfo saying India will win 4-0 before the Test Series.

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 11:04 GMT)

@aracer: tht no.1 swann went for 59 runs off 9 overs vs India wid only 1 wicket.so vat if Swann hadnt played a single test then.Look at Ashwin.he is a newbie.he hadnt gt a chance to play in tests n he seldom gets chance to play odis due to bhajji.how difficult it would be 4 him to be in rhythm n form n yet he has taken 25 wickets in 14 matches he has bowled.In his last(recent) 14 matches excluding Associate nations,No.1 bowler has got 21 wickets.So Ashwin is ahead or atleast equal to yardstick of no.1 Swann and he is still a rookie and just 24 years old.Swann being a rookie at an age of 29 years ven he played India then shouldnt be an excuse lolz @aracer: tht no.1 swann went for 59 runs off 9 overs vs India wid only 1 wicket.so vat if Swann hadnt played a single test then.Look at Ashwin.he is a newbie.he hadnt gt a chance to play in tests n he seldom gets chance to play odis due to bhajji.how difficult it would be 4 him to be in rhythm n form n yet he has taken 25 wickets in 14 matches

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (September 13, 2011, 10:55 GMT)


Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 10:48 GMT)

Another English player bite the dust Mr Broad you are lucky because we are going to win the series by 5-0 in India. the Indian players are waiting for the english team to come to there home soil and by that time our whole team will be fit. you will see the likes of shewag, gambhir, tendulkar, zaheer khan, yuvraj singh and hrabajan singh

Posted by Sachit1979 on (September 13, 2011, 10:15 GMT)

Graham Onions would be ideal replacement for him in the side and Colly could take over again as T20 captain. Even though England is winning against India but their struggle with reserve bowler is apparent when somebody is not able to complete his quota of bowling due to injuries or consistency problems. Collingwood is perfect package with his batting, bowling and fielding in limited formats of the game and he has got good 2-3 years of Cricket still left in him. He should be in England scheme of things until next Champions trophy and T20 world cup.

Posted by Shhy on (September 13, 2011, 9:59 GMT)

@Truemans_Ghost.. Dont forget that you guys got the same treatment when you last toured here.. We still have one game to go this time.. But you guys didnt win even a domestic game(not sure if you had played one) leave alone an international game in 2008..

Posted by prasanthan on (September 13, 2011, 9:44 GMT)

Collingwood is most suitable for England T20 Captaincy

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 8:56 GMT)

@kevinpp24:except morgan tht was England's first choice team and nt 2nd string.Strauss is retired frm Odis.Dont say KP is nt thr.Did we ask Ecb to rest a middle order player wid a pathetic 30 average in odis over last 2 years.yes we want bhajji out of team 4 tests and nt 4 odis as he is still a very gud odi bowler plus his odi batting is a plus.y would we lyk to drop an almost bowling allrounder atleast in India frm Odis??@kevinpp24:except morgan tht was England's first choice team and nt 2nd string.Strauss is retired frm Odis.Dont say KP is nt thr.Did we ask Ecb to rest a middle order player wid a pathetic 30 average in odis over last 2 years.yes we want bhajji out of team 4 tests and nt 4 odis as he is still a very gud odi bowler plus his odi batting is a plus.y would we lyk to drop an almost bowling allrounder atleast in India frm Odis??and lolz nt 8 9 players r missing frm Wc winning squad : add nehra,sreesanth and piyush chawla to ur list of 6.

Posted by aracer on (September 13, 2011, 8:43 GMT)

@Rakhil Pakhetra - the Swann who did poorly in India was the mk. 1 Swann - he was only ranked 96 ODI bowler in the world going into those matches and actually improved his ranking to 90 afterwards (and hadn't even played in a test before that India tour). I think you'll find the current #1 a somewhat different prospect. I do of course understand India fans preference for looking back at historical results ;)

Posted by puntertakeson on (September 13, 2011, 7:48 GMT)

Whats a big thing anyways he can't deliver anything in Indian track he would mauled all over the park, best thing to happen at this moment.

Posted by Ray24 on (September 13, 2011, 7:31 GMT)

Can't understand the Indian fans. When an English cricketer is injured they accuse them of trying to avoid playing in India. When an Indian player is injured (like half of their team was on this tour), they say fate was against India. I mean, come on. The way Gambhir and Sehwag have pulled out, it was more than obvious that they were trying to avoid being a part of this losing outfit, more than anything else.

Posted by Truemans_Ghost on (September 13, 2011, 7:03 GMT)

You have to admire these Indian fans. Their team doesn't win an international game in an entire tour and when a player breaks down half way through an over, they assume that it is because he is scared to face them! There is a very apt parody of this on page 2 at the moment.

Posted by BULTY on (September 13, 2011, 6:38 GMT)

England trying to take the injury route now to shield their so called "best players" from touring India for fear of getting thrashed in the sub-continent. India do have a revenge to take when the English visit us next month, be it a T20 or ODI series sans Test matches. would have liked to have Test matches also included (without any practice matches) to get the sheer delight of beating the now No.1 Test team.

Posted by kevinpp24 on (September 13, 2011, 6:33 GMT)

@Shan156, you made a valid point. The worst thing for a bowler would be six 6s in an over and broad tasted that so he wont fear for anything. I guess that made him a better bowler than he would have been, he was under lot of pressure for 2 series but came out brilliantly, whereas Harbhajan was under pressure for 2 years and yet to perform abd yet to be dropped and also runaway from the tour. I bet he wont be successful in India as well even if India win it 5-0.

Posted by kevinpp24 on (September 13, 2011, 6:24 GMT)

8 players from WC squad missing? when did Rohit sharma and Ishant Sharma made WC squad? If i'm not wrong every Indian wanted Harbhajan to be dropped, but all of a sudden he became the savior? funny fans. And for the fact, except Rahane, Vinay everybody in Indian team has some international ODIs behind them but England have more rookies than India. So England are depleted than India, its just the momentum from Tests were carried on to ODIs by England.

Posted by chokkashokka on (September 13, 2011, 6:16 GMT)

Well this kid found a reason to stay out the tour where he was going to be made to look like the school boy that he is. How convenient - guys like him are just pasture track bullies. I would have bet money that another 6 sixes were on the cards - enjoy your moment and the only way you can hang to your bowler ranking is by claiming injury and keep playing on the grazing fields called ECB grounds.

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 6:14 GMT)

Swann the world's no.1 bowler and he is really a very gud bowler(i admit) doesnt have a gud record in India which England team fans are bolstering...Swann has played 4 matches in India and got 5 wickets only and he bowled around 28 overs in those 4 matches and got hit for 173 runs at rpo > 6...now in India against all teams including India Swann has taken 11 wickets from 7 matches of which 2 are against Bangladesh..if we exclude Bangladesh he has taken 9 wickets from 6 matches in India...So if world's no.1 bowler hasnt a gud record in India can we expect Samit or Monty to do any better than him...

Posted by BoonBoom on (September 13, 2011, 5:34 GMT)

@Natx..... Dude, you may be right for Andersson but one bad performance doesn't take the class away from him. Sehwag got a king pair but still no one can question his brutal ability to demolish any attack once he gets going. The problem with India is extremely weak bowling, an aging batting line up and very pathetic bench strength that has no class and temprament thanks to too much T20 cricket in India.

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 3:29 GMT)

Australia is the ICC #1 Ranked ODI side, India's 4th, England's 5th with SL and SA 2nd & 3rd, India did win the last ODI world cup. Comparing cricket with football - which has the greater prestige, winning the Premier League or winning the FA Cup, if you don't know ask Alex Ferguson.

Why would Broad go to India for a one off T20. If there's doubt about him being fit enough on the 25th then why risk aggravating an injury to play on the 29th in a game of no consequence. Daft.

I think tours without Test matches should be scrapped, and matches should be played in T20, ODI, Test sequence. Gives tourists a better chance to acclimatise & adjust. I'm sure India would done better in the Tests if the T20's & ODI's had been played first.

Posted by Ahsan_Shere on (September 13, 2011, 3:27 GMT)

Eoin Morgan should be the captain for Twenty20s (hoping he'll get well soon) as England are using limited formats as a platform to enhance their unlimited format strength. Good Going!!! In the next 10 years none other than Cook & Broad will captain the side in Test matches after Straussy, not even in a single match, they have Ian, Kevin & James but they won't captain the side on Test level even if they play a decade more. And these two (Cook & Broad) are limited format captains with Eoin in line as a next backup.......Think again Team Managements of Asian teams..........

Posted by bigwonder on (September 13, 2011, 2:24 GMT)

@LazloWoodbine, so lets see if the so called "golden" coach can help you win next WC and #1 Test status. Only logic, errr... time will tell.

Posted by Natx on (September 13, 2011, 2:15 GMT)

@BoonBoom - Express pace? LOL mate. Pace has nothing to do in India. Ask Brett Lee, Shoaib Akthar, etc. But there are guys who succeeded there due to their smart bowling skills - Hadlee, Kasparowicz, Steyn, Hoggard, Flintoff - all folks that know how to reverse. This works in test cricket when the ball gets older. With one day cricket - good luck. I bet all the so called English quicks will be taken to cleaners and the fielders doing a leather hunt. If you guys got beaten by an Irish team not so long ago there, how do you expect your "champion" dreaming side to fare there next month? Go figure. If I remember it right, Mr. Anderson went for 0-80 or something in the world cup. Leader of the pack - hello?

Posted by tompuffin on (September 13, 2011, 0:08 GMT)

I think that a lot of Indian supporters here forget that a loss is still a loss, whether is a A or a B or a Z team, it doesn't matter, they were still wearing the Indian jersey when they lost. I support NZ and if the All Blacks lost to any team, whether is Australia or Japan, they would get a hiding from the public and press, even if they fielded a rubbish team, or their best. India are/were no.1 side and they are professionals. There should be no excuses

Posted by aracer on (September 12, 2011, 23:01 GMT)

@Kamesh Rodo (and all others predicting English failure in the sub-continent) - weren't you also predicting a 4-0 test series win for India before that started, a 3-1 win after they'd lost the first game and a ODI series win after they'd been whitewashed in the tests?

Posted by Shan156 on (September 12, 2011, 22:40 GMT)

@cool2cool, just because tests are priorities doesn't automatically mean that we should be the best always. For starters, there were teams that were better than us. We have no hesitations in accepting that because that is the fact. Cricket is like a religion in India and they play more T20s thanks to IPL. Does that mean that India should always be the T20 champions? There is so much interest in ODI cricket in India and you guys won the world cup. But, are you #1 in ODIs?

We may be the #1 now according to ICC but we very well know that our team has unfinished business especially in the sub-continent. We also know that we should beat the Saffers at home. We know that we have only taken the first step towards world dominance and we have a long way to go. If we achieve that, fine, but if not, we will continue working towards it. Our priorities are clear - tests first. But, that doesn't mean that we will always be #1.

Posted by OliverWebber on (September 12, 2011, 22:22 GMT)

@rocky2801 - sorry I understand now: Broad can never be good because he once got taken to the cleaners a few years ago. So obviously all his match-winning performances since then don't count. Silly me, and there was I thinking he'd been man of the series in the tests against India...

Posted by cool2cool on (September 12, 2011, 20:44 GMT)

@Shan156: You said that England priority is Test Cricket and most of England fans care little about ODI cricket. Then considering the number of years England playing the test cricket, you should have been the best test playing team long before and dominated the test cricket.

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 12, 2011, 20:12 GMT)

@fredie..totally agree with you! :)

Posted by Lord_Dravid on (September 12, 2011, 20:09 GMT)

Broads injury wont make a difference in the subcontinent anyway..eng shouldnt have problems replacing him as a bowler as they have plenty waiting to be picked.. but the fact is english bowlers are only good in their condition..good broad isnt going coz he probably gets smacked for 6 sixes again by yuvraj! englands fate is already written for next month now they just fearing and fighting over who should go on the tour!

Posted by rocky2801 on (September 12, 2011, 19:46 GMT)

ha ha..have not heard so many english on cricinfo ever.. infact more english are watching the game these days... and their voices have found some resonance..infact Sir Ian said he can walk with his head high...wow..what a series win can do for the game here..well done and enjoy the moment... but please don't desert your team or feign ignorance..if they start losing..atleast Indians always show eternal faith in Indian cricket team.. ha ha.. which is quite surprising too.. but i guess it has and always will be about the Indians not performing rather than how good the english.. ermm.. south african, irish players were... seriously who has been hit for 6 sixes in an over can never be a good bowler... so let's get over Broad..he and Anderson are just a passing fad on green pitches- a fact which resulted in last 2 ODIs having green tops... and already the english fans have started talking about heat and spinning wickets and food etc... just go and play and stop moaning as it's only 5 ODIs

Posted by cooljack_143 on (September 12, 2011, 19:15 GMT)

@kingofspain..yes Indians have been dominated in all formats of game..but remember In tests they played with Injuries and in other tow formats players without their 7 members, and still are very competitive..Cant you see the way the ENG top world class blasting players are HIT on their heads to boundaries.If ENG come without their A class 7 members like India did where would they stand.Well I dont even see replacements for those.So be kind in your comments and think Logically how could India win despite lack in the bowling in WC.That says of a team,That says of a Nation..INDIA..Jai ho!!!! what ever happens MS is the best captain after Ganguly..Keep going..

Posted by Shan156 on (September 12, 2011, 19:05 GMT)

@ Karthik Thirunavukkarasu Panangondar, When did Jimmy run away from India? He has toured India twice for bilateral series and was available for all the games in both. He was available for all the games in the world cup. He left only when the team left. Please know your facts before trolling.

Posted by MadKingGeorge on (September 12, 2011, 19:04 GMT)

Wow, this is incredible. It turns out Sky TV has cruelly deceived me. I watched their comedy series 'England V India' which gave me the impression that England had just thrashed India, and that India's innocuous bowlers, shoddy fielders, and half baked batsmen had failed to win a single match. Turns out it's all cruel propaganda. I read through these comments and discover that India is a great team and is about to slaughter the unsuspecting English. They really must investigate this media conspiracy to make the Indian team look rubbish. Thank you, Indian fans, for finally telling me the truth. You definitely do not sound deluded....

Posted by Shan156 on (September 12, 2011, 19:01 GMT)

@puneet_usa, Don't get too excited too soon. Most of us England fans care little about ODI cricket. We know we are a mediocre ODI side and don't expect too much from our team in next month's ODIs although something says we will be quite competitive (unlike India in the tests). We have our newly acquired test crown to celebrate and defend when we visit the subcontinent next year. If we don't do well in tests, we will be disappointed. What is India's ranking in ODIs considering that they are world champions and have huge strength in depth in that format? Must be #1. No wait. LOL. They must be great in T20s considering they play the most # of games every year thanks to their IPL. No wait, they aren't the world champions in that format either. LOL.

Posted by Blazedragon on (September 12, 2011, 18:59 GMT)

Pretty big talk for a team that hasn't won a SINGLE match in the tour. But I guess it comes naturally to them. Can Indians only win in home favored conditions? It sure seems like it from the comments here.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 12, 2011, 18:58 GMT)

@kingofspain; mate - they aren't interested in reality. Afterall "Gods" have nothing to do with reality do they? So many india fans are going to go on believing that they won the Test series 4-0, and that they won the T20 by a handsome margin, and that they won the ODI series 5-0. I say - let them believe that if that's what they want to believe. If it makes them happy - who are we to say otherwise. The rest of the world knows the truth. 8 weeks ago I would have said that I'd never read such silly rubbish from other "cricket people". But now that these weeks have gone on it's got worse and worse - culminating in the (predictably) disgraceful comments on this conversation; for example - @cooljack_143; it's just Trash, nonsensical garbage of which the poster should be ashamed. I don't suppose they will - but cricinfo, please publish.

Posted by kalyankk1985 on (September 12, 2011, 18:56 GMT)

@BoonBoom : do u think eng can win a test series in India against India? pity for the eng fans :P

Posted by Nampally on (September 12, 2011, 18:56 GMT)

India played the ODI series against England with 7 of its regulars missing.Considering this liability, India did admirably well. But for the weather this series would have been tied by now. Broad & Morgan are just 2 of the regulars injured - Bad luck guys. It would be interesting to see England minus their regular opening batsmen for the India series. England would then realize what it is to play injured. In any case Broad would have been hit all over on the Indian pitches.Remember, Yuvraj hit him for 6 Sixers in a single over. So he will escape repeating that fate because Yuvraj will be fit for the ODI's in India. If Sehwag & Tendulkar are fit, India has a good chance of blanking England. India with even the present B Team still has a chance of beating England in the final ODI.

Posted by fredie on (September 12, 2011, 18:54 GMT)

without 8 first choice players india are doing so well with youngsters and that too on alien conditions . with some luck by their side it could have 3-1 to india this series till now.If our youngsters can score 250 + on almost each outings on green wickets i dont know what will happen to england in subcontinent where our bowlers i.e spinners can in their own as well .Wait ENGLAND our time will also come and we are ready ....... bring extra players with u as well as u know half will be gone by mid series itself....... lets see how ur bresnans,finns and anderson perform in india on flat tracks where almost every time the score will above 300 if india are batting first.......count down begins before we take the revenge

Posted by Nutcutlet on (September 12, 2011, 18:49 GMT)

Lovely to see that many Indian supporters are still so chirpy, making confident predictions about how England will buckle in India. Now, if there's one thing that defeat should teach you, it is humility. I would never venture to prophesy which team would win any particular series, but I do promise you this: England will compete and if England lose, then there won't be any bleating. We know that Broad, Morgan, (and I suspect, Tremlett) will not be fit. Fine, it gives an opportuniy for some of our youngsters to gain the experience! We are not getting excuses ready, because that is not our nature. Personally, I believe that English cricket is likely to continue to advance as there are a number of talented youngsters eager to prove their worth at higher levels. Flower with the assistance of the selectors, will have identified who these players are. England is organised and efficient. I promise you this: a player who isn't fit won't go anywhere. England doesn't put crocks into the field!

Posted by phoenixsteve on (September 12, 2011, 18:47 GMT)

The comments from deluded Indian fanatics are laughable. India have been saved by rain twice otherwise the thrashing they have received would have been more conclusive. It doesn't matter too much which bowlers England play or how well the Indian bat becuase India can't bowl! Cardiff should see the 'coup de grace' on the Indian team ..... who have earned the title of (not World champions) the subcontinets 3 rd best team! COME ON ENGLAND!!! (PS - who deserves the number 1 team in the world title better than the T20 and top test team?)

Posted by cool2cool on (September 12, 2011, 18:45 GMT)

@Optic: You are correct. England scored 8 runs(including a leg-bye) from the previous 11 balls with Bopara and Swann on the crease. They would have easily scored those remaing runs(10 out of 10 times and 8 out of 10 times) with Anderson, Finn and injured Broad.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 18:41 GMT)

Yes, tanstell87!

Broad is faking it! Just like Gambhir faking a concussion, Tendulkar faking a toe injury, Sehway faking a shoulder injury, Yuvraj faking a broken finger .... and the list goes on.I am surprised at the guts of some Indian fans post comments like this after the most humiliating series ever in the history of cricket (especially for a team that was ranked no.1 test ranking and just won the world cup). England may loose the one-day series in India (which I highly doubt), but at least they don't have the tag 'world-champions' hanging around their shirts when they do so.

And, by the way Broad has evolved into a fine player, since Yuvraj hit him for six sixes. But what about Yuvraj? He's just got worse, fighting for a place in the team more often than not. Isn't that ironic.

Any player can hit six sixes in an over in the future, but no team can loose as miserably as India did in England, as long as cricket lives. India truly made history in England!!!

Posted by Pritt32 on (September 12, 2011, 18:35 GMT)

Broad's absence will make welcome news for the lacklustre Indians. The visitors struggled against his bowling. Broad's injury would be a setback, but England's bowling armoury is strong, unlike India's fruitless attack at present. India should try to win the next match and completely beat England next month, with all their key players fully fit and take advantage of Broad's absence. It was 2nd string Indian team who had no chance against a fully strength England outfit. Fortunes could change, as England's record in the sub-continent does make happy readings and now it is their greatest challenge to prove this is a great team.

Posted by kanuparthi on (September 12, 2011, 18:34 GMT)

Are England just about to do an India here?

Posted by bigwonder on (September 12, 2011, 18:25 GMT)

@kingofspain, Yes, cause the wins were against a depleted Indian Team. ODI wins for England was by luck and mainly helped by rain. Don't worry, you won't have that help in India, plus the Indian crowd will remember the booing of Indian team during test series. Be ready for some aggressive opponents and crowd. Welcome to India, English boy.

Posted by yughy on (September 12, 2011, 18:23 GMT)

@boomboom... there are no tests when england tours india.... and did u dream about england beating india in tests in india....

Posted by bigwonder on (September 12, 2011, 18:20 GMT)

@LazloWoodbine, SA coach won the world cup for India, LOL. You must be choking uhh.. I mean joking. If SA is now thinking highly of ex-India coach, why didn't they have him in the first place. If you think coaches alone can help teams win then the current series India lost can be attributed to the new coach. You need to brush up your logical skills.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 18:10 GMT)

broad is out with muscle tear.. anderson has to find another reason now.. exciting times ahead... james anderson will be injured very soon..

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 17:58 GMT)

Broad,Morgan are already out..may be KP who is currently recovering from an injury will be forced to play India ODIs and his break dance on the pitch by running over to off of his wicket will be put to rest by the balls turning from slow Indian pitches...may be KP will get injured Mid-way..Who is next in line to be injured???Anderson???Bresnan is a very gud player I admit..he will be a challenge to indian team in India...Broad will give way to Samit Patel,n stokes will give way to KP probably with 3 bowlers Bresnan,Anderson/Finn,Dernbach...

Posted by Pakistanvictorious on (September 12, 2011, 17:49 GMT)

I think Indian fans should now atleast realize that making claims is much easierthan performing, they were making the same claims but what happened in England is a history now, waiting fro English tour to India. Please let the players performance do the talking.

Posted by mjshaheed on (September 12, 2011, 17:37 GMT)

Going by the comments from all the Indian supporters here, I think Broad got this idea of faking injury from the likes of Tendulkars,Sehwags,Yuvis and the Gambhirs in this series... :-)

Posted by Zigor on (September 12, 2011, 17:34 GMT)

I was expecting this to happen. If I am Broad, I would not like to bowl to Indians in their own backyard, with all of their stars back. I have a feeling that Indians would play like wounded tigers. I am afraid England has to play very well to beat Indians in their home.

Posted by Valavan on (September 12, 2011, 17:27 GMT)

How many of Indians knew that England won the last ODI series in SL with all SL tops in the side. Ye Broad faked injury means, what did Yuvraj,harbhajan did, ran in middle of the test series. Sehwag is acceptable, as he came right after injury or ishanth left after test series, Hyped Yuvraj and hapless harbhajan ran out without any excuses. STOMACH BUG. HAHA, anyway BROAD's absence will be felt but we wont go with 3 pacemen in India, we will go with 2 pacemen, 2 spinners and Part timers like BOPARA, KP and Trott. Any indian fan can chest thump now, but we will see only when the series ends, the results, we wont chest thump like sehwag will destroy us, Zaheer will tear us. We have team and we dont need stars. BTW English fans, we arent going for test series this time, just ODIs, by the time we will go for Tests, we will have more changes in both sides. MIND YOU GUYS, you wont whitewash us in India this time around.

Posted by wolf777 on (September 12, 2011, 17:24 GMT)

Chicken... the exodus will start now…one by one they all will chicken out…

Posted by onkar567 on (September 12, 2011, 17:17 GMT)

At last england have a major injury.They whitewashed india in their own backyard.Now with morgan,broad and tremlett out lets see if the so called"no.1 test side and future odi champions"can see it through against india in their backyard.English pitches have been uneasy for indian bowlers.MIND YOU ENGLAND with likes of sachin,gambhir,bhajji,yuvi back in the squad,i don't think you will be able to beat team india-a in india.england are finding the going tough in odi's with the same team who completed almost each and every test match in 4 days and are needing the last over to win in odis.cardiff could have been the decider here,but unfortunately durham and lord's weren't in india's pockets thanks to rain gods.IT IS GOING TO BE "INDIA DOMINATION" here in october!!

Posted by imiles on (September 12, 2011, 17:05 GMT)

What can England do? They can only play against the team that India fields... so if it is India B, C or Z - all England can do is play. I for one will be happy to see India go home. I was anticipating a fantastic summer of cricket, but have been sorry to see such poor competition.

Yes, the games have been played in English weather. This is not a conspiracy. We are unable to arrange alternative weather. English weather is good for swing bowling.

India - come back when your players are fit, in form and motivated.

It may well be that England do not perform well in India - in which case I do not expect English fans to be posting 'if only Stuart Broad was fit'...'if only the wickets did a bit'...'if only W.G. Grace wasn't dead'.... in the style of Indian fans.

Posted by tanstell87 on (September 12, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

Is it a muscle tear or is Broady faking it to avoid hammering at hands of World Champions in their own backyard...my guess is as good as anybody's...England would soon find out what awaits them in India next month !!

Posted by kancnaic on (September 12, 2011, 16:43 GMT)

England without Broad in India--An eagle without wings

Posted by BoonBoom on (September 12, 2011, 16:41 GMT)

Indians must be dancing with absolute joy. However, England has a power house full of express pace so I don't think Broad's absence would make much differenc. Since Indians are like tigers in their own backyard so England should expect tough competition. I would still consider England to win the test series. Yes ODI may go to India's favour. All the best to English team for their tough tour of India.

Posted by puneet_usa on (September 12, 2011, 16:40 GMT)

I am very pleased with the performance of our youngsters- We look all set for an ideal build up towards next world cup- We will have plenty of groomed talent to defend world cup in Aus-NZ....People just be patient- Fletcher knows what it takes to make a team that will do good in Aus-NZ--Watch out for Varun Aaron to unleash- He will be a genuine find soon once he gets in-As far as the future of the Current Over rated English Team goes- Start looking for covers- Because I am expecting totals in excess of 400 in coming 50 overs series in India- All your Bresnans,Swanns,glamour boy Jimmy, new find-Dernbach specialist ODI bowler,etc etc. They will be left helpless. We shall see a complete 360 degree change of events soon....enjoy the short span of luck...because once you are going to get hammered in India...that will erase all these memories of newly famed English Dream Team...Its gonno be ugly- Send some extra coverage for players because some might simply quit midway with depression.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 16:38 GMT)

first scalp before the tour begins, where is that home sick jimmie anderson who run away from india whenever he is on tour .......

Posted by Damo_s on (September 12, 2011, 16:33 GMT)

Lots of comments about how the veru 'the pair' shewag and co will destroy the english bowling attack. Didnt you all say the same thing before the series you have just been whitewashed in? It's all rather amusing :) It will be a much closer series in India for sure but I think India will probably win it overall and posibly whitewash us in the ODIs. The deciding factor will be how our batsmen (England) fair against Indian spin. The current ODI series is showing that England are a bit lacking in this department.

Posted by kingofspain on (September 12, 2011, 16:24 GMT)

Surprised by the amount of bravado from India supporters considering that they have been dominated in all formats on this tour.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 16:17 GMT)

Well said SHAN16_JERK The English Lions did roar in their own den , But let it come to the tigers den where it cannot roar as loud like its own den........

Posted by cooljack_143 on (September 12, 2011, 16:15 GMT)

I should say BROAD GOT LUCKY getting injured in ENG.Just imagine what would have happened to him if he would have travelled to IND.6 6's from Yuvraj singh and many injuries would have occured to him both Physically &Mentally.Lucky to Broad.Tough Luck for Strauss & Cook as of Indians are in form and would THRASH THRASH THRASH ENG in subcontinent by our Fellowmates Pak & SL..GL TO ALL SUBCONTINENT TEAMS.Lets whitewash these ENG players and send them home one by one..Jai ho!!!!!!!!

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (September 12, 2011, 16:14 GMT)

As expected Broad excuses himself from the tour of India where seamers will have tough conditions on spin friendly wickets. First green track bully bites the dust! ;)

Posted by Optic on (September 12, 2011, 16:10 GMT)

@SHAN16_JERK I've heard of clutching at straws but that is something else, on what plant would it have been 2-2 all, the first game got rained off after India got a below par score and they ogt a couple of early wickets, how does that mean they would win, it doesn't not in anyway shape or form. The match yesterday apart from the most one eyed Indian fan would say England were favorites only needing 11 off 7 balls, they would have got that 8 out of 10 times, with 2 wickets in hand. You may want to also research your history if you think England are the only team not to win the 50 over WC. You mention the fact that India have players out but fail to mention that during the WC that England have half there side missing and had to go straight to the WC after a 5 month Ashes tour, but I suppose these excuses are only true when it's Indian players.

Posted by iliastop11 on (September 12, 2011, 16:05 GMT)

india should hav picked yusuf pathan

Posted by Herath-UK on (September 12, 2011, 16:03 GMT)

Sorry for Broady but now at least can Dhoni deliver a win ?This is an abysmal fall from grace to him.At least Sanga as Test captain and Dhoni as ODI captain,the two travelling teams in the season got something to cheer on. Ranil Herath - Kent.

Posted by EVH316 on (September 12, 2011, 15:50 GMT)

I know it must be hard to understand, but contributors to these comment columns, such as SHAN16_JERK, need to appreciate that at no point has England, England supporters, or even their governing bodies been as bothered about one-day Cricket as everyone else in the world. This is largely due to the way it evolved in this country; it really was to raise funds and amuse the less-committed fan, rather than something to be taken as seriously as Test matches or the first-class game. This is what has made our poor performances in Tests over the years so cloying! I am always amazed when supporters or players consider the pinnacle of the game as the World Cup. It isn`t to many English fans. As long as England is reasonably competitive in one-day Cricket, I`m ok with that - the idea of a player missing an important Test series because of a ten-a-penny limited overs game, or a meaningless domestic 20/20 competition is infuriating!

Posted by JustIPL on (September 12, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

I dont think in the absence of Kumble and fading Bhajji and Zaheer, India will be able to pose any challenge to Poms in India either.

Posted by LazloWoodbine on (September 12, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

@SHAN16_JERK - you just did us South Africans a favour by accrediting us with a WC. Or is it that you don't consider SA a major Test nation. I'd probably check my facts before getting all misty-eyed and patriotic. Oh, and let's not forget a SAn coach got that little old WC for you...

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 12, 2011, 15:45 GMT)

It wouldn't have made any difference, as he, like many other eng bowlers can only succeed in english conditions.....

Posted by landl47 on (September 12, 2011, 15:33 GMT)

That's bad news for Broad and for England. Hopefully Broad will take the time to recover fully, there's no sense in rushing back and risking an even more devastating injury. To suggest that he should fly out to India to play in a single T20 game is ridiculous, even if he is the captain. For England, it's not so much that they will miss his bowling (that's one area where England have ample depth, as Finn showed in the last ODI) but Broad is also a very useful bat, not to mention an excellent fielder, both of which will be needed in India. I hope the selectors will play Samit, not an extra seamer, in Cardiff. Four seamers plus Bopara is too many, expecially as none of Anderson, Finn and Dernbach are competent batsmen. You can't have the batting in an ODI ending at #8.

Posted by exiledtyke on (September 12, 2011, 15:31 GMT)

@Kitten: "It is not just the pitch, it is the heat, home crowd (big difference, England will find out),food etc, etc, that will sap their energy."

well, I agree with the heat and the home crowd being to India's advantage, but the food? The excellent food is a positive plus when visiting India so they should be very happy in that respect.

Posted by LazloWoodbine on (September 12, 2011, 15:29 GMT)

I can't believe there are still Indian fans blathering on about "Only if you beat India IN India will we accept you are world class". Like India are a credible yard-stick after this tour. Like the opinions of fans of a team giving a drubbing and a cricketing lesson par excellence should really be spouting off such rhetoric. Any right to decide who is world class has passed out of the hands of India and their fans after the Test series. I've seen three year-olds who are better losers than the folks on these boards. With fans like many of the Indian team supporters on this site, Dhoni and co don't need enemies.

Posted by dirtydozen on (September 12, 2011, 15:26 GMT)

then to replace broad they can recall collingwood in broad's place

Posted by Shan156 on (September 12, 2011, 15:26 GMT)

How low can Indian fans (like krnataraj) get? I am surprised that cricinfo is even publishing such silly comments. Perhaps, it is because it is more supported by Indians. These guys are suggesting that English players are skipping Indian tour in fear of what awaits them there. Perhaps Indian players do that (is that why the great Sachin "ran" away before the ODIs?) but English players don't. Stuart Broad is a fast bowler who has played in all games but one ODI (against SL where he was dropped) this summer. It is unfortunate that he got that injury but there is no fear behind it. These silly fans who even suggest such things must first look at his records - he has better average and strikes more often in away ODIs than home albeit at a slightly higher ER. The same is the case in India also. The worst result for a bowler is to get hit for 6 6s in an over. He has seen that as well as the highs. I am appalled that people could even think that way. Pathetic.

Posted by dirtydozen on (September 12, 2011, 15:24 GMT)

even if the major players in the indian players they didn't take any effort to win the matches. i still remember when australia came to india after their win in champions trophy. most of their major players like clarke,haddin,lee and siddle where injured and their replacements who were paine,henriques were injured but they still managed to win the series 4-2. then why can't india win after proclaiming them as world champions or do they have to rely on zaheer khan even before his retirement... Even after tremlett's injury bresnan was more destructive than tremlett

Posted by JustIPL on (September 12, 2011, 15:24 GMT)

Broad was playing all three formats and it is difficult for the body. I think T20 format should be dropped as it is player killer. India suffered the IPL Sri Lanka could not switch to Test mode against aussies.

Posted by Aussasinator on (September 12, 2011, 15:23 GMT)

Broad seems to be breaking down without even a decent workload, leave alone excess cricket. I dont expect this gentleman to play outside England in future.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 15:21 GMT)

England has lot of bowling options and Broad break does not matter much for then in the series and when they tour to India. In India pitches won't be that helpful for pacers so Broad will not be able to see batsmen score big sixes and fours against him. I wish him and recover soon. Let him take a good time to recover instead of hurrying him for the T20 match on October 29. Broad has done great work for his team in tests and ODI's as well. So, he is bright future for England and must be taken care very well by ECB. He should not become another Flintoff..

Posted by Shan156 on (September 12, 2011, 15:16 GMT)

@Gerard Pereira, will you guys ever get tired of this excuse? The test series is done and dusted and England won it fair and square. C'mon, 4-0 says it all and the margin says more. If Zaheer were present (and Broad absent), the result may have been different, you never know, but if you think India would have won 4-0, you are simply deluding yourself. Most sane fans would admit that England outplayed India and were deserving winners. Of course, we all realize that this result doesn't mean that England will beat India in India. India may well overturn England in India and all us English fans would simply say "well played"; not come up with these inane excuses.

Posted by JustIPL on (September 12, 2011, 15:15 GMT)

India played their best tean available. injuries and retirements have to come and players lose their form as well. Being number one pressure was also a cause as plyers would have been pounded with money had they won in England but it did not happen.

Posted by JustIPL on (September 12, 2011, 15:08 GMT)

@DINESHCC but english players dont play IPL also national duty is more than IPL riches.

Posted by cricket_conneisseur on (September 12, 2011, 15:01 GMT)

well well well...what do we have here...the hero...wrecker in cheif is down now and is not expected to play till November.. Lets see how the England team cope up with this...

Posted by cric4lyf on (September 12, 2011, 14:52 GMT)

@krnataraj : stop seeing dreams at day..india canmt beat england at home..england bowlers are far too better than indians..dont compare fast bowlers wiith indian slow pace bowlers....but m sure sachin will score 100 and indioa will lose..hahahah

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 12, 2011, 14:50 GMT)

@palla.avinash, Likewise, I had hoped to see England beat a full strength India squad. Sadly with the amount of cricket that gets played now some players will be injured, its a sad fact of life, all the boards can do is minimise the risk by having a bench strength to allow for a rotation policy. @bigwonder, theres nothing new with home boards preparing pitches to suit thier bowlers, sometimes it works sometimes it back fires.

Posted by gkr1234 on (September 12, 2011, 14:45 GMT)

I am expecting the same form Broad in India's ODI tour.. but certainly he missed the ODI series. It's good news for Indian batsmen.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 14:40 GMT)

Why did he bowl that last over, he was obviously struggling. If it had been against a top cricketing nation I could perhaps understand but why risk injury against a weak and totally humiliated Indian team.

All English cricket lovers should write to the ECB demanding that they bring proper opposition every summer not some old , fat useless club standard team. We pay good money to be entertained and we have been robbed this summer.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 14:18 GMT)

There are some of us Indians who are foolish enough to think that things would have turned around with a fit Zaheer Khan who at best is fit for selling paan.pl admit that in all 4 tests we got hammerred inside four days(if u account for rain breaks) and by such huge margins that one Zaheer would not have made a difference

Posted by SHAN16_JERK on (September 12, 2011, 14:17 GMT)

The result of this series is irrelevant as IND has fielded C grade team due to injuries. Even then, but for the rain this series would be tied 2-2. ENG A side (only Morgan is out) is struggling to beat even C grade IND team ( 8 out of 11 players missing from WC win). ENG has been very mediocre ODI team since ODI cricket started. They are the only major test nation who has not won the ODI WC. They have not been to top 4 in WC since 1992. Last 2 series in IND they got brown washed (5-0, and 6-0) with full ENG A side and came from WC 2011 with tail in legs. We will see how ENG performs with Broad and Morgan most likely will be out of ODI series in IND.

Posted by kitten on (September 12, 2011, 14:16 GMT)

'At the end of the day whatever pitch it is whether at home, India or on Mars, England have a massively superior bowling attack'. Comments such as these make one laugh. From my experience over the years, I have seen better teams than this one struggle in India under those conditions. It is not just the pitch, it is the heat, home crowd (big difference, England will find out),food etc, etc, that will sap their energy. Moreover, the India team hopefully will be at full strength, which never happened in England, and that will make a massive difference to the ODI series. A fit Tendulkar and Sehwag opening the innings, followed by Gambhir, Yuvraj, Raina, Sharma, and Dhoni, not forgetting what Harbhajjan can do and has done with the bat in the past, will certainly show why India reached the pinnacle in both Tests and ODI's. Let us all wait and see, and now that Broad is injured and if a few more fall by the wayside, then the series will be the same, as it was for India in England.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 14:09 GMT)

Precisely the reason England would struggle to dominate Test scene. English fast bowlers seem more injury prone than the rest - sparring few (Anderson), many do not recover their best form. How many in the recent past? Simon Jones, Hoggard, Tremlett, Sidebottom, Harmison, Flintoff etc.. Hope Broad doesnt go that way, wishing speedy recovery. A major reason that IPL is very attractive and important in a player's career, i think.

Posted by DINESHCC on (September 12, 2011, 14:09 GMT)


Posted by Herbet on (September 12, 2011, 14:03 GMT)

Unfortunate for Broad, but he does seem to pick up a lot of injuries, too many games too soon? Maybe. Good chance for Finn to nail down the place that, on natural ability, he deserves!

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (September 12, 2011, 13:55 GMT)

WOW ! another player injured... oh! wait a min. It's an English player !! isn't that something out a blue moon ?? I guess he wants to avoid the humiliation awaiting him in India. Too bad he's gonna watch his team mates get smothered. I hope England doesn't END Monty Panesar's career by bringing him to India. He's gonna be 'man-handled' by India's batsmen along with Samit Patel. I always knew the English players had interesting ways to miss out on Indian tours. First it's the mysterious 'depression' disease; now well.. I guess it's a muscle injury. I know some Indian players have also taken to similar routes in order to feature in the CLT20. This is a disgrace to cricket. With or without Broad, India will surely look forward to some English curry next month.

Posted by Rakim on (September 12, 2011, 13:51 GMT)

It will be a different series in India if Broad's out. Although writing off Eng would be a foolishness. Don't forget if India got Bhajji, Eng got Swann. Test series will be tough for Pacers but if I've to bet I would still bet on Eng.

One day and T20I, well, that's different scenario, we'll see 300+ and 180+ scores (I would give a slight edge to India here, but Eng are playing exceptionally well)

Get well Broad, you've some unfinished business with Sachin,Sehwag and Raina :D

Posted by bigwonder on (September 12, 2011, 13:47 GMT)

@englishweather, yup that is true and English players are learning quickly as well.

Posted by bigwonder on (September 12, 2011, 13:46 GMT)

@Rick Seymour, Day dreaming is quite different from reality. We all knew that ECB was preparing pitches that well suited their bowlers (even when England supporters were crying fowl against BCCI). Why do you suppose India won't have pitches suitable to its batsmen and bowlers. Who is to say that Indian batsmen won't outplay English bowlers. Its too early to say, especially when England have won only in their own backyard and against a depleted Indian Team.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:36 GMT)

Very sad news, Indian ODI would have been good test for him. Hopefully he'll recover till then.

Posted by palla.avinash on (September 12, 2011, 13:32 GMT)

i think it is becoming vice verse indian players got injured coming to england and england players injured coming befors indias tour ,i hope it will stop here, i want to see england full team.please post my comments and i want to become integral part of cricinfo for free how is it possible.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:31 GMT)

im sure england will lose the series against india in india...the main reason is teir bowling is not tat gud like te once might aussies n battin lacks firepower wich is important in sub continent 2 score without runinng ones and twos frequently...tey hardly hitted fours and sixes consistently except for kiesweitter...in humid conditions if english guys keep on running...i bet tey will get scramps...im damn sure india will win te odi series 3-2....but if te english can still win te indian challenge,thn we cn accept tat english are world class....

Posted by Tony..F on (September 12, 2011, 13:28 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur - Broad's bowling average is better away than at home (26 vs 29), Bresnan's even better than that (27 vs 42). Sooner or later the rest of the world is going to have to accept that this batch of Engand bowlers is in fact Quite Good.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:27 GMT)

Food for thought, I wonder if Broad had got injured in the first session of the first test at Lords instead of Zaheer would the outcome of the series been different? After all Broad was the main strike bowler in the series not to mention saving England's bacon at Trent Bridge. Perhaps all those Indian fans should stop being so hard on India and all those chest thumping Englishmen should realize that one injury can turn a series upside down. England minus Broad and India with a fit Zaheer would have meant India turning over England without getting into second gear

Posted by Ahsan_Shere on (September 12, 2011, 13:25 GMT)

@englishweather: Agree with you 100% but If England white wash India in next 10 Test series then Indians won't agree with one point i.e. England are a better team than India. So, better not to convince them....

Posted by Truemans_Ghost on (September 12, 2011, 13:20 GMT)

@Gupta, last time I checked Australia, south Africa, New Zealand or Bangladesh were in England and broad and Bresnan have taken plenty between them there. I'd turn your point on its head. If seamers like Patel, Sreesanth and Sharma can't bowl England out on a green top on an overcast day, what chance have they got of doing so in India?

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:16 GMT)

These conspiracy theories are ludicrous and delusional. He's a fast bowler and he's tweaked a muscle, it happens. There's no intent to avoid a tour or anything like that, he's injured. Those suggesting otherwise need to have a little think ...

Posted by Ahsan_Shere on (September 12, 2011, 13:14 GMT)

Cricket is entering into a new era as far as fast bowling is concerned. I'm watching Aus-Sri series & watched England-Srilanka & India-England series only to see that fast bowlers making batsmen play as much as possible, previously batsmen left a good number of deliveries thus minimizing edging chances. Heads off to Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Tremlett, Harris, Johnson, Copeland & researchers behind them. Asian bowlers have to go after this idea...Idea is to hit on or about off-stump at good-length......Batsmen keep guessing!!!!

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:12 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur Bresnan will be very good on sub continent wickets. He is a lot more skilful than people think.

Posted by Optic on (September 12, 2011, 13:07 GMT)

@Gupta.Ankur Absolute rubbish and spoken by someone who doesn't have clue what he's talking about. Both bowlers bowl with very good pace and in Broads pace, height and bounce and they both will get wickets anywhere, Broads already bowled on some of the flattest wickets ever and done well. In the WI in 2009 he was England's best bowler and also bowled well on his debut in SL. Bresnan has already shown during the WC how well he bowled out there and when he played in the Ashes he did brilliantly, add to that he can reverse swing the ball. Yes the pitches are flatter in the sub continent but this line that continually is getting dragged out as though it is some how, some mystery place that you need hidden skills to bowl on is becoming a bit of a joke. As Australia are showing now you just have to bowl in the same places as you do now and be patient. At the end of the day whatever pitch it is whether at home, India or on Mars, England have a massively superior bowling attack.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:01 GMT)

looks like england players are starting to have injuries. but honestly they ll ve more tym to recover coz unlike inds jam-packed fixture. eng next proper fixtures(test and odis) abt 4 months away after playing odis against ind in indlooks like england players are starting to have injuries. but honestly they ll ve more tym to recover coz unlike inds jam-packed fixture. eng next proper fixtures(test and odis) abt 4 months away after playing odis against ind in ind

Posted by Reversespeak on (September 12, 2011, 13:00 GMT)

I do hope the England team is fully fit with all their players in good fettle before the India tour. I am sure the Indian team would like to beat a full side, no use beating a team that has even 1 or 2 players off the list, its worse if you have 8 regulars off the team.

Posted by thebrownie on (September 12, 2011, 12:48 GMT)

Rick, India is missing their top 4 ODI batsman. And their top bowler(+ bhajji who is not too bad in ODIs), and has still taken all the games to the last 2 overs. BTW, the injury reminds me about Robert Croft who didnt want to tour India a few years ago.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 12, 2011, 11:42 GMT)

Broad,Bresnan cannot take wickets outside Eng as they won't find too many grounds providing the same conditions as at home.....maybe in Durban, but not many....

I think it will be wise move from ECB if they send somebody else in place of them.....atleast in sub-continent...

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 10:16 GMT)

@krnataraj - given that India have only shown form in the last 2 ODI's, if I was playing for England I would be begging the ECB to bring the tour forward so England can do it all again. It's gonna be interesting to see whether the Indian team suffer any mental scarring or humiliation. India were the best team in the world in Tests and ODI's at the start of July, now they aren't top in either discipline (or won't be when the ODI series concludes), and the entire Indian team, save for Dravid and PK in tests, and save Raina, Dhoni, with cameo's from Parthiv Patel and Jadeja in the ODI. Sadly the 2 cameo's came from players who are nowhere near the first team. Playing in India is completely different conditions, but with Panesar for tests and Samit Patel for the ODI's, as the second spinners, to go along with our attack that looks capable of taking wickets anywhere in the world, and no obvious batting weaknesses, I'd say the England team simply can't wait to get there and go again

Posted by Naresh28 on (September 12, 2011, 9:31 GMT)

Some comments seem to be saying that the Indian team is play acting injuries. Well there are genuine injuries and only the doctors should comment on them. Its nonsense to suggest that only Indians are getting injured, the English should examine their own injuries before commenting. As they say if you are young you are less prone to injury than the seniors in the Indian team. Also Indian players are not as physically built as the English. Still the INDIANS play cricket with skill and commitment. We reached the pinnacle in all three formats and thats okay for us. There were some comments that India does not have bench strength and our spinners are useless compared to Swann. Well look again we have Jadeja, Harbajan ,Ashwin and Rahul Sharma who I have not seen but has a big fan following.

Posted by englishweather on (September 12, 2011, 7:42 GMT)

hope you get well soon mate!

@krnataraj Got injured to avoid playing in India? Isn't that what players do to actually PLAY in India? (Ipl champions league etc) ;-)

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (September 12, 2011, 7:23 GMT)

@Toon-Harmy, It was a later addition due to a Contractural Deal with SKY, who threatended to sue the ECB over the loss two T20 games when the Stanford Series fell apart. In the end its likely to be an A-squad for these games, rather than full strength, and it would have been doubtful Broad would have played anyway, given the series in India.

Posted by krnataraj on (September 12, 2011, 6:38 GMT)

i believe the english team and particularly english bowlers have seen what is awaiting them during their forthcoming trip to india from the way indian batsmen have batted in the last two ODI's. Stuart Broad knows that so called home conditions will not be available and is just feigining injury to avoid playing in india. A couple of more of their so called world class bowlers will also excuse themselves out of the tour. Just wait and watch!!

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (September 12, 2011, 5:09 GMT)

@Toon-Harmyrmy - The two 20/20 against WI is to make up for the Stanford 20/20 debacle. When the TV contracts were signed, Sky paid ECB according to what the England Cricket schedule would be and the Stanford 20/20 was part of that. I believe they need to play 2 twenty20 matches against WI for the next 2-3 years which is the length of the contract.

Posted by prasanna_79 on (September 12, 2011, 3:51 GMT)

It would be a pity if Broad fails to be fit in time for the ODIs in India , as it would be very interesting to see how he bowls over here and his economy rate in that series..! India would be unlucky once again, if he misses that series i think..!!!

Posted by me54321 on (September 12, 2011, 2:08 GMT)

really can't understand why he started his last over, when he was clearly struggling before that. It wasn't exactly a decisive phase of an ashes test or something, it's best not to risk such an important player for such an insignificant game.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (September 12, 2011, 2:01 GMT)

Sorry for Broad. Hope he recovers fully and quickly. BTW, he isn't playing IPL. Or is he? ;)

Posted by landl47 on (September 11, 2011, 23:42 GMT)

It's not the next ODI that is the concern, much less the hit-and-giggles against the West Indies. Broad needs to be fit for the upcoming India ODI tour and the tours against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the New Year. Not only his bowling but his batting and fielding are essential if England is to become a major force in ODIs. I hope England will play Samit in the Friday game; he is going to be an intergral part of the ODI side in the subcontinent and I think he should have played in all the ODIs here, as well. England need balance and Samit gives them that.

Posted by Toon-Harmy on (September 11, 2011, 20:47 GMT)

Never mind who will be captain - can anyone explain the point of even scheduling two 20/20s against the West Indies in late September? Just like the fourth England v India ODI you've got to fear the weather will have the final say.

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