England v India, 4th ODI, Lord's

Confusion and gamesmanship

Nagraj Gollapudi at Lord's

September 11, 2011

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India's chances of even sharing a trophy during their painful tour of England vanished amid scenes of confusion and gamesmanship at Lord's. As showers arrived in the closing stages of the run-chase India were the first side to find themselves ahead of the rate, then it was the hosts who edged into pole position before the final blows were struck. So in the end a tie looked the right result because a question emerges: did both teams go against the Spirit of Cricket - that principle so notably invoked earlier in the tour?

"We just saw the ugly side of cricket," MS Dhoni, the India captain, said. "Whichever team has the upperhand does not want to play and whichever team is not on the winning side will try to stick there to try and change the result. It is a part and parcel of cricket and both the sides did that."

When the first brief rain break occurred England were two runs behind the D/L par score of 235, with six wickets down, after 44 overs. Ravi Bopara and Graeme Swann were desperate to get on with the game, but the India captain MS Dhoni was reluctant to let Munaf Patel start his over. Understandably, Dhoni was being fussy about getting his fielders in the right positions. You cannot deny him that right. The England fans trumpeted their boos loud and clear. Two minutes later the umpires decided to stop play. Bopara and Swann, unimpressed, were reluctant to walk off the ground. Suddenly the rain ceased as a flash of sunlight sparkled across the green turf.

By then the entire Indian team had left the ground and were on their way to the dressing-room. Only the umpires, Marais Erasmus and Richard Illingworth, and the two England batsmen stood on the field. Munaf even sat in the member's seat as a thick air of intrigue suddenly hung in the air. Moments later India trundled back and the match resumed towards a tantalising end.

"You just expect the rain to go off and somehow you want to get on to the field. Nothing much I could have done," Dhoni said. "We tried to get back to the dressing-room and waited for the shower to finish,"

Nine runs came off the Munaf over, which ultimately proved crucial as by now England were two runs ahead of the par score with 39 needed from the final five overs. Now came the second interruption. This time the drizzle transformed into proper rain, forcing the covers to be spread straight away. Bopara and Swann zipped into the dressing-room, but the India players gathered in a huddle about ten yards inside the ropes at the Pavilion End. It was as if they were performing some sort of ritual that would stop the rain. But the rain dripped hard, forcing the visitors to finally leave the field.

"It is human nature," Alastair Cook, the England captain, said. "When you are ahead of the game and you have got to go off you are obviously going to be happier than the other team. It was quite clear when we came out the first time we wanted to go back out because we were behind and when we came off for the second time we were ahead. To be honest, we would've quite liked it to rain for another hour so we wouldn't have had the last few hours. That is because the desire to win is so huge in both sides."

Cook, though, was fully behind the umpires which perhaps isn't surprising as England clinched the series. "The umpires have an extremely tough job to know what's heavy rain and what's light rain," he said. "But they were consistent when we came off for the first time and when we came off at the end. I don't think we should have any complaints about it."

Bopara, the man responsible for rescuing England's chase from 61 for 3, revealed he was aware of the D/L par score "over-by-over but not ball-by-ball." Until he decided to swing Munaf over deep midwicket, Bopara had played his shots with care, composure and confidence. But he said he had to take a chance to make sure England did not panic in the final over.

What he did not know was his wicket actually changed the match scenario completely. According to the D/L tables the par score at 48.5 overs, with seven wickets down, was 269. Once Bopara was dismissed with seven deliveries before the finish, the par score changed to 270. However, most of the players were unsure what was happening because the scoreboard had already ticked over to show the end-of-over D/L par score of 271.

"Some of the guys were confused," Dhoni admitted. "Some of them thought we had won it, for others they were still like 'what is the scenario right now?' Most of us thought it is just another passing shower and we would be able to get back on the field in whatever time. But once back in the dressing-room we had the final sheet of paper which showed the D/L par score and after that it was pretty much sure that it was a tie."

And this time there was no gamesmanship. India's wait goes on.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Jaggadaaku on (September 14, 2011, 19:25 GMT)

Dhoni and his bullock-cart slow batting was the only reason India lost the previous match. Once upon a time when he wasn't a captain, he was ruling in almost all matches, and look at his batting now. Shame on you Mr. captain. I won't have any respect for anymore.

Posted by izakismad on (September 14, 2011, 15:53 GMT)

My my! how the tables have turned!

Posted by Basil90 on (September 13, 2011, 14:20 GMT)

well well well india didn't had the upper hand guyx...england always does something cheeky and they more often then not sneak a win so it's a fair result and i wouldn't have been surprised if england were to win the match...they actually deserve to win the match and the series aswell........india have six and four hitters and they reached around the figure of 280 huh, on the other hand england doesnt have the likes of morgan and pieterson but still they were able to reach 270 mark and the match ended in a draw bcz of rain... england deserved to win that particular match to be honest....:)

Posted by 1st_april on (September 13, 2011, 13:36 GMT)

@puneet_usa by geometry a "a complete 360 degree change of events soon"...means the same angle again...you mean to say that India would be thrashed in India too by England?...lol...;-)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 13, 2011, 7:20 GMT)

@5wombats, I didn't interpret Dhoni's comments as a dig at anyone. I thought that he was talking about both teams and basically admitting his own culpability as well. @timmyw, I agree with you to an extent. I have no issue with a batsman not taking a fielder's word on a catch, as long as he takes the umpire's. I also have no issue with the Indians staying on the field during the second rain interruption. Swann's backing away was blatant time-wasting though. It may or may not have been in retaliation for Munaf's (I think, or was it RP Singh) time wasting before the first rain break, which followed what appeared to be time wasting from Dhoni. I seem to recall a bit of apparent time wasting by England in a drawn Ashes test in Cardiff some years ago too. It is a game but, while it's unfortunate, it's not JUST a game. There's a lot at stake so pushing the boundaries a bit to get ahead is to be expected.

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 7:02 GMT)

"So near, yet so far!" If only the rain that started when India were 2 runs ahead, had picked up, ending the game, India would have won this match and would still have been in the hunt to level the series! Bad luck and the lack of blessing from the weather gods are dogging India! Hope they'll win the last one and redeem some of their pride!

Posted by   on (September 13, 2011, 1:32 GMT)

Now India will realise how it feels getting whitewashed, I must say Pakistan did a lot better against England in the one-dayers ...Also tests, lost 3-1 but were competitive...not like India ,all tests were one sided, England had good fun, Bare in mind , this was not the lollipop side of India, It was the full strength Indian squad...Top batsmen struggled against bounce and swing, and poor bowlers struggling to take all ten wickets, with benefiting conditions... Indians should not blame the weather for this, luck wasn't on your side, you weren't just good enough....Good luck in future...hope to see a Pakistan India clash soon..:)

Posted by Spuddinho on (September 13, 2011, 0:59 GMT)

India's nightmare will be over by this friday!!! they have seen what real life is like all summer...

Posted by bigdhonifan on (September 12, 2011, 20:59 GMT)

England's Honeymoon will be over by this friday!!! they will see what is real life next month onwards

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 20:55 GMT)

@5wombats *heels* wombat, not heals.

Posted by 5wombats on (September 12, 2011, 20:50 GMT)

@John Doh - well put - dead right!

Posted by 5wombats on (September 12, 2011, 19:03 GMT)

@timmyw - agreed. This is all a bit rich coming from the "captain" of the team which dragged it's heals getting out of the Pavilion when it was ahead of D/L and then stayed out on the boundary rope in pouring rain whining when it was behind. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 18:17 GMT)

@Biren Rawat, Excellent comment

Posted by knan on (September 12, 2011, 18:15 GMT)

Eng Vs Ind in the return ODI series is likely to be interesting when matches will be played on slow turners. The toss will be crucial in all the matches due to the dew factor. I think it will be 4-1 or 5-0 India, if Gambhir and Yuvraj are playing. Even in the Oval match Eng struggled against the spinners before the rains came and made the outfield wet. In this team only Bell seems to have the technique to play on such turners but I do not think that he can dominate . England would need a hungry Peterson to do well. I doubt if Sachin still has the hunger to play in bi-lateral ODIs.

Is WI coming to India in Nov ? The cricinfo future series schedules do not mention it. Has BCCI decided to drop the series to give some rest to the Indian players ?

Posted by bobmartin on (September 12, 2011, 17:48 GMT)

Karna Dhiravani ... England could only beat the side that India put out... If India have no strength in depth, then that's their own fault for relying for too long on a few stars to carry them through. Maybe somebody will now wake up and realise that without adequate back-up you were a prime target for a thrashing. Putting all your eggs in one basket is a recipe for a disaster. Your managemant have brought this upon themselves I'm afraid.

Posted by tanstell87 on (September 12, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

Well i remember series in 2008....India were 187-5 in 37 overs in the 3rd ODI & required 40 odd in same number of balls...Flintoff was bowling well...bad light stopped play & England lost the match & the series...it can happen with anyone.. Australia were struggling at 33-5 in 2005 Tri Series against WI at Gabba chasing 270...rain came pouring down & spoiled West Indian chances of winning...

Posted by puneet_usa on (September 12, 2011, 16:41 GMT)

I am very pleased with the performance of our youngsters- We look all set for an ideal build up towards next world cup- We will have plenty of groomed talent to defend world cup in Aus-NZ....People just be patient- Fletcher knows what it takes to make a team that will do good in Aus-NZ--Watch out for Varun Aaron to unleash- He will be a genuine find soon once he gets in-As far as the future of the Current Over rated English Team goes- Start looking for covers- Because I am expecting totals in excess of 400 in coming 50 overs series in India- All your Bresnans,Swanns,glamour boy Jimmy, new find-Dernbach specialist ODI bowler,etc etc. They will be left helpless. We shall see a complete 360 degree change of events soon....enjoy the short span of luck...because once you are going to get hammered in India...that will erase all these memories of newly famed English Dream Team...Its gonno be ugly- Send some extra coverage for players because some might simply quit midway with depression.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 15:44 GMT)

Whether has ruined this whole series in my view.The 1st ODI was washed out after India batted the full 50 overs & put up good score.After that 2nd ODI became a T20 type scenario which too did not turn up well for India bcoz of middle order collapse batting and bowling avg.3rd too India batted the full 50 overs & put up reasonable good score but dropping the catch of Bopara(33 odd his score was)by R.P.Singh is the turning point. If he got out, the match would have not lasted up to 48 over for Eng..India after grabbing the 5 wkts could not again able to take the remaining wkts. When India is not utilizing their chances rain too got bored of this match and it came to make the match interesting..The bowlers struggled to grip the ball and gave away to many runs to Breasnan & Co. Ok Bopara is playing well but India should have bowled little tighter to other end batsman. Whatever it is now a lost case for India and again hope that they win the last one at least.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 15:39 GMT)

Credit to the Indian fans. Even after being on the wrong end of a good thrashing they are still talking a good game...

Posted by helloajs on (September 12, 2011, 14:34 GMT)

I believe india had lost it earlier when RP sing didn't catch the ball on boundry... i agree with sunny... that catch should have been caught at this level.... result would have been different if it was caught.. who knows we might not had to wait for rain inturuption.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 14:17 GMT)

The real, the more ugly side of cricket & cricketers is IPL. Team India is IPL servant and completely unfit and useless to play International Cricket or Test Cricket. IPL has taken betting to highest level. IPL is not a Cricketing event it is a worst commerical event. Team India and BCCI is completely focussed on IPL. Because of IPL, Team India is losing skill, inspiration, motivation and fitness to play Test Cricket. These curators, coaches and BCCI officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in other tournaments. IPL is completely meaningless and obsolete Tournament. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch between Countries unlike IPL Teams which look like clubs. Test Cricket is ultimate to watch on sportive pitches. But IPL is making these pitches Lifeless.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 14:02 GMT)

England got the better of India in this series. There is no denying that. However one cannot also deny that this time injuries and rain both were against India big time. Anytime India got upper hand..rain stopped play...created confusion and the already demoralized Indians got confused and could not plan any strategy. Happens.

Posted by Rakim on (September 12, 2011, 13:58 GMT)

IPL, poor form, no ability to play bounce/seam and Injuries are the true cause of this disastrous series.

I think teams like Pak, Bang, Zim and NZ would play way better than current Indian team

Like great Sunil Gavaskar would say "there is no commitment in current Indian players"

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:46 GMT)

they beat the side where, 6 players from the WC team were missing. bet they cant beat full strength indian team in odi.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 13:25 GMT)

>> their rightful victory in this series has been denied by the weather........on not 1 but 3 times now <<

@Ankur Gupta, Apart from this game, other games were nowhere near India's reach. Even in this game, Jadeja's 15 run over tilted the scales in favour of England.

Posted by timmyw on (September 12, 2011, 13:09 GMT)

You know, this kind of thing really ticks me off. Prashant is right, it is just a game, but you know what I would love to see these "role models" actually act and conduct themselves with Honour and Sportsmanship. It's something that has been missing for too long now and watching cricket just makes me tired. I am tired of watching grown men act like brats when it suits them. What kind of message is that sending to our young? What those two teams did with the rain isn't human nature it's just greed and immature childishness. I saw the same garbage watching Sri Lanka and Aus. Jayawardene wouldn't accept Clarke's word he caught him out. I sincerely hope at least someone involved with the teams reads this. Pull your heads in cricket players and think about what you are doing for once, and that goes for all of you. You're ruining a once great game.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 12:45 GMT)

two kings played well mmmm mmmm what is chennai thinking:...:) what about other 9 teams thinking?????

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 12:34 GMT)

well dhoni dont need to worry about win or loss ,we have recently won the world cup and we know that this is a future team for india so its good that they start with difficult time ,so that they can get more experience ,atleast they r playing better cricket compare to test matches ,so DHONI and company dont worry about win or loss just carry on with team building process,bcoz nxt tym we might not have likes of sachin,shewag,gambhir as far looking to there fitness so this is ideal time to prepare and go forward ,wins will surely come sooner or later in bulk so concerntrate on playing just good cricket.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 12:19 GMT)

It wasn't so much ugly as comedy. And judging by the comments, India must be the most unlucky country in world cricket. They really must be very unlucky. I mean, what are the chances of them not winning a single match against England so far? Even Bangladesh could do that.

Posted by Snick_To_Backward_Point on (September 12, 2011, 12:16 GMT)

England have always given focus and priority to tests. It may come as a surprise to some Indian fans but ODIs are a very distant second to tests. Tests are exactly that - a protracted test of every facet of technique and mental strength. ODIs, by contrast, are a 'quick fix' for the cricket takeaway lover. If you take a look at the Windies of 70s & 80s and Aussies of 90s-00's their strength in ODIs stemmed from their success in tests. Seems to me that rather than pin hopes on the ODI format for success in tests, it might be better for India to focus on their test side first and reap the benefits in the ODI format that would surely follow. Either that - or give up any pretense at wanting to be the world's No 1. test team and transparently follow an ODI and T20 diet instead of making excuses for players and the BCCI's attitude?

Posted by bobmartin on (September 12, 2011, 12:00 GMT)

Sid_XI.... it's not only runs per over, but wickets lost/in hand that alters the equation.. I don't think anyone, except Messrs Duckworth and Lewis fully understand it and that's its major flaw. Whichever side comes out of it losing always seems to get the rough end of the stick. The only advantage, if in fact there is one, appears to be that if it looks at the start of the game as if it might be affected by rain and D/L comes into play, it is better to be chasing than defending.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 11:53 GMT)

I think a tie was the correct result considering how the match had played out, both admitting guilt of gamesmanship. To be fair to India not many would have backed Jimmy and Finny to score the 11 runs required from 7 balls but stranger things have happened. Watching from the Edrich stand the rain was pouring down for at least 2 overs before Swann and Bopara got out, so really they should have gone off then but I think the umpires wanted to give the players a chance of getting a result. Once things changed and a D/L draw was (eventually) shown on the scoreboard the umpires made the right decision.

What did disappoint me is after the sportsmanship of the Indian team in the tests with the Bell incident there was persistent booing of Swann and Anderson when they were fielding from the Indian fans. Not cricket...

Posted by Karthik_CricketFan on (September 12, 2011, 11:47 GMT)

Stopped watching cricket. Will just follow scores from now on Cricinfo.

Posted by givemefood on (September 12, 2011, 11:29 GMT)

I think the Indian fans won't care for rankings anymore. Doesn't matter in what position they are ranked in. We only want to see them win.

Unfortunately, even in the ODIs the batsmen were a let down (except the 2nd ODI). Indians can't keep complaining that they lacked a full strength team. Even the English missed 3 key players. Sachin, Bhajji will be back for the CLt20 after resting out their injuries. That and IPL are going to keep them employed for at least another 4 years.. so good luck to them.

Posted by AlanHarrison on (September 12, 2011, 11:22 GMT)

@Michael Perera: read Dhoni's comments properly and you'll find he is not denying that

Posted by Reversespeak on (September 12, 2011, 11:13 GMT)

England has beaten the world champs and they must certainly celebrate, they dont get too many chances to do so, especially in ODIs. Howver, the ECB needs to get back to the drawing board to figure out why England had to be at their very best to beat an Indian B team and that too controversially in each match. :)

Posted by hare on (September 12, 2011, 11:00 GMT)

If England plays like this against 2nd grade Indian team, how does it fare against full strength Indian team?

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 10:56 GMT)

I am actually impressed that with so many Indian Players injured or just tired, fatigue etc. The people currently in the team are FRESH and Put up a great fight in all the one day matches.

In test matches it was the MANNER in which India lost. They didn't FIGHT. But in ODIs, we fought in every match.

Make no mistake, this is ENGLAND, there is always advantage playing at home. Indians have been very tired due to IPL and then West Indies tour. But its lovely to see that they fought amazingly.

A tie is better then a loss. Munaf Patel was the unsung hero of India world cup win. He has amazing calmness and he is passionate. Like the wicket of Bopara. Thats Passion and hunger to do well.

Sometime you win sometimes you lose. The similar English team lost 5-0 in Ashes in Australia. Doesnt mean they should be hanged. Its a Game. Sometimes u win 5-0, like India beat england in India 2009. Sometimes you loose. Its a Game.

NOT LIFE. it just goes on. So will the cricket. India will be bak

Posted by nair_ottappalam on (September 12, 2011, 10:53 GMT)

Sreesanth would hv made a difference

Posted by Exiled-Tyke on (September 12, 2011, 10:44 GMT)

@Michael Perera. Have you read the article? both sides have basically admitted that they were, to some degree, guilty of the gamesmanship as well as the opposition. when Dhoni used the phrase 'ugly side of cricket' he was referring to the actions of both sides, not just accusing England of that.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 10:41 GMT)

Btw India either needs a win at Cardiff or if it cant win atleast a tie to remain on 4th spot..If India win,they will have 115 rating points wid SA at 3rd place wid 116 rating points and England at 5th with 109 rating points..if there is a tie(due to rain) India r still 4th and England 5th at 113 and 111 rating points resp...and if Eng win India will be 5th and England 4th with 112 and 113 rating points resp....

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 10:38 GMT)

@Bilal .. Seconding.. thanks for the wish bhai..

Posted by Sid_XI on (September 12, 2011, 10:32 GMT)

Something very Stange...which nobody is talking about... ODI 3: Overs reduced due to Rain are 8 and runs reduced are only 17. In ODI4: 1.1 overs reduced and Runs reduced are 11. How does D/L method work ...has anyone double checked it?

Posted by anver777 on (September 12, 2011, 10:19 GMT)

both were so desperate for a win...........Ind was searching for the tour's 1st win & Eng wanted to seal the series with this....I think it was anybody's game & the match hung in balance so it was a fair call. "A TIE" (2nd since WC)

Posted by Samdanh on (September 12, 2011, 10:08 GMT)

What is sad to see is that India is languishing @3 in Test and @4 in ODI rankings. Never saw Australia below no.1 ranking in ODIs when they were World Champions for 12 years (from 1999 to 2011). In fact, they are still No.1 in ODIs. Some serious progress required for India to measure up to expectations triggerred by their recent World Cup triumph.

Posted by Sakthiivel on (September 12, 2011, 10:04 GMT)

Its was a good game of cricket. India did far better in all ODI. Every body accept that England won and India Lost. No one should compare this India squad with WC India Squad. Its not an excuse but incomparable.

Posted by likeintcricket on (September 12, 2011, 10:01 GMT)

It was fair to both sides to get a tie from this match though India was a clear winner at the end. D/L method is a better method than others but its not the best method. In this case only one wicket left as Broad was injured and could not have batted. There are so many factors which you just cannot put in an equation for example Malinga bowling at the dearth instead of an ordinary bowler. Recently Wi won a match against Pak when they found out that instead of making 100 of the last twelve against some very good spinners on a spinning track they only needed 3/4 runs to go ahead on D/L method. The hit a six on the last ball and won it. I still think the best method is to play the whole match instead of deciding on math formulas or abandon it and play it the nest day.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 9:48 GMT)

A tour to forget as a Team India Fan ...

Posted by reality_check on (September 12, 2011, 9:40 GMT)

Can the CWC champs scrape even one victory on this tour? Tests was a total capitulation from the so called best batting side in the world but I thought India being the world champ will put up a good fight in ODI series but since Zaheer is not bowling so that is out of the question. Can't India find even one decent 80+ pacer out of 1 billion population?

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 9:35 GMT)

@landl47: mate, thats ridiculously biased. India had dhoni and raina batting. England had finn, anderson, and the injutred broad. India were 5 down, england 8. India would have won by 6 runs

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 12, 2011, 9:30 GMT)

Oh India it used to be us that used excuses like the weather, second string team, umpiring etc. How times have changed.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 9:25 GMT)

To my Indian fellow fans. There´s nothing to be frustrated or ashamed of the ODI results, as it seems like finally Indians have arrived in England. India has played good, solid cricket in ODIs (compare to test series), and there´s nothing much Indian team or fans can do about the weather or other non - cricketing factors. Shortened games, wash outs, etc. all makes it very frustrating, but these young(er) Indian players have shown the will, which was absent in the test series. Give them a longer run and you´ll have a good solid team in the future. Best wishes from Pakistan.

Posted by JustOUT on (September 12, 2011, 8:56 GMT)

Not in my wildest dream I would hv thought. after the England series.. India migh hv pushed down to No.3 in Test and No.4 in ODI rankings.. haha.. What a wakeup call and lessons for these IPL heroes. Well, lets see which superstar will play in CL.. more drama to come.. :)

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 8:46 GMT)

"The ugly side of cricket"? Oh come on, Dhoni, if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have done exactly the same.

Posted by AvinashChandra on (September 12, 2011, 8:21 GMT)

I don't expect any more from Indian Fans (and note it that I am an Indian). Why don't we agree that we were outplayed and thrashed. England made a great escape in this match and they would have eventually won the game. What you people think? Our club standard bowlers will take 2 wickets every over? Come to reality and be true sports lovers. Cut the story of the past glory.

And to me, kudos England and congratulations for showing us that we need to climb big roads and mountains. And special mention for English fans, they have been unbiased lot.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 7:16 GMT)

Sadly, D/L method *does not* allow any gamesmanship. :-) Also, since both teams were "guilty" of playing for win, you simply can not blame anyone, India just needs to wait to go home and win there. One thing though, I fail to see why Munaf was given the over? Why not spinners as then Eng would have to work for runs, not swing along the speedy ball.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 6:54 GMT)

he he he guys look at the so called england team first, i would rather call it as a county team or can be compared with an ipl team even though they dont hav that much standards, a direct question to all u english people is ur team is english team?? Dont be proud, ur team cant find cricket playing talents in your country, count the players in ur side who are english men, a nation tat gave birth to cricket cant give birth to cricket playing talents to be in their national team, so sad to know but its true, when u scrap off foreign players then u wont have more than five players in squad, when u can win with an england team then you can be a person to feel proud of england team not wt is now, play with england team to earn the actual pride position of NO.1 test playing nation, is there no one in ur country to play international cricket anymore????? most of the nations are proud to play their country players even if they lose, are you??? can u win with only ur nation players????

Posted by Kumar_cricket on (September 12, 2011, 6:46 GMT)

Munaf patel should not be in the team.He and Harbajan should not be picked for the India home series against England.Let theses players play to their clubs not for India.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (September 12, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

Its a shame really that umpires couldn't get "just" the 7 balls in........how much would that have taken? at best 10mins.......

I mean India were the better team and their rightful victory in this series has been denied by the weather........on not 1 but 3 times now...........

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 5:34 GMT)

Test Cricket and ODIs have different set of problems and let's not propose a blanket solution for them. I still feel that despite the results, India have not been shamed in the ODIs. They seem to have a reasonable bench consisting of hungry youngsters who are skilled in at least two aspects of the game. Even if India go down 4-0, I would want to continue to play with the same set of batsmen, rotating them effectively. Throw in the likes of Manoj Tiwari and Manish Pandey (yes you heard it right) and continue to groom them. Its the bowling that needs serious variation. And it would not serve us right to go back to Sehwag, Yuvraj and Gambhir (and Tendulkar). Its the tests that we seriously need to be worried about. The road to recovery is very long.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 5:24 GMT)

As an Indian Fan it was the most frustrating day of the tour.We never played well the whole tour but it must also be agreed that nothing went right for us right from fatigue and form to the weather.The most hurting fact is that this team is our best ever and far better than the teams which toured Windies in 1989,Australia in 1991/92,South Africa in 1996/97 and Australia again in 1999/00 but ended up with an equally worst performance.For all the arm-chair critics and our neighbors:"One tour doesn't change our team from tigers to pussycats.Enjoy the moment.

Posted by akelumw on (September 12, 2011, 5:19 GMT)

@ Ashvni Raju Kumar This is wat u said "They are a poor ODI side. And the true test lies in beating India, in India, which will prove if England really are the No 1 Test side." Win or loose in a ODI series to prove whether a team is No: 1 test team in the world??????? What a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as far as I remember in the WC England had a tie against India......... If India would beat England 5-0 or whitewash in the forth coming series at home, then why couldn't India beat England in that match????????? As of u India should have trashed England in that game............ It didn't happen.............................. Why?????????????????

Posted by Baundele on (September 12, 2011, 5:19 GMT)

India are unlucky again. The first match was their's and England tail were not going to score 11 off 7.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 5:09 GMT)

Never heard dhoni repeating "You Know" so many times in an interview. Seems like he has really lost confidence a bit!

Posted by petz on (September 12, 2011, 5:03 GMT)

India odi is much better team than england.with Indias 8 players out still mnaged to have a great fight..in all matches.In test India throwlly out played...am Still a great fan of indian cricket.It doesn t mean that just one series will put the great Indian team in dustbin......They made us proud a lot.Will be hope for better when England comes to India.keep going....am backing my team.........

Posted by Smadu on (September 12, 2011, 4:56 GMT)

India s weak point is bowling.It's amazing huge country with huge population can't find fast bowler bowling at 145/150kmph for past few years.

Posted by Cricinfo7 on (September 12, 2011, 4:24 GMT)

I believe both the teams are balanced, India does not have Tendulkar, Ghambhir, Yuvrag, Sehwag whereas on the other hand England does not have Strauss, Morgan, Pietersen, Collingwood. There shouldnt be any excuse for both the teams as they are well balanced against each other. At the moment, i can see India's bowling is very well lacking and England's batting. If india is fighting and playing well, we need to understand and accept that England is also giving them hard time irrespective of whatever situation is. Though home ground might have some advantge for England, but India lossing 7 consecutive matches after becoming world champion is something BCCI need to look at rather than focussing on IPL.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 4:20 GMT)

It won't be long before the bubble bursts for England. They'll find the going very tough once they are on subcontinent pitches. Kieswetter can't shine in every game, Cook is still novice and has to learn a lot whether it's captaincy skills or ODI batting, Trott hasn't played a proper inning since 1st test, Bell and Bopara are not finishers, and with Morgan and probably Broad out of the team Pietersen has to be there to give any strength to their batting. The current lead of 2-0 might suggest otherwise but the reality is that English are many-2 miles behind to be a strong ODI team.

Posted by S.K.Chowdhury on (September 12, 2011, 4:01 GMT)

India!! Still not a single win in this long series, tells something!! They didn't win the NO.1 test team title, they became NO.1 by not winning but not losing too many tests...In ODIs they are world champions and they are showing how do world champions play!!

Posted by ani_cric on (September 12, 2011, 3:46 GMT)

England should have been 3-0 against India .....INdia escaped .......However the talented England team did not lose to fluke India ....

Posted by prasanna_79 on (September 12, 2011, 3:43 GMT)

The catch that RP Singh missed off Bopara when he was 70 odd , the overthrows conceded by jadeja off his own bowling.., these mistakes cost India the match i thought.. But its heartening to see our team put up a very gud fight, unlike throwing in the towel, which wasn't the case in the test series. We still need a pace bowling allrounder as the 3rd seamer and a consistent No.3 batsman to have a world beating team.. Need to have a good bowling coach too.. How about Venkatesh prasad instead of Eric Simmons..? Anyhow.., One of the unluckiest tours India have been on to I suppose..!

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 3:35 GMT)

This serves as a good wake-up call for the STARS of IPL..!! Let Gambhir, Sehwag, Tendulkar sit out while Rahane and Parthiv or even Badrinath get in the team. I guess these Stars have become bigegr than th country...:(

Posted by iGANDHI on (September 12, 2011, 3:30 GMT)

ENG won b'coz of IND's injuries and home field advantage. ENG always a poor ODI side.IND despite of injuries to main players, fighting well. What is ENG doing even Jadeja,Parthiv, Rhane hitting them allover the ground.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 3:24 GMT)

It is obvious that this whole series has been loaded against India. First, with the number of injuries. Second, the preparation of pitches to help local bowlers and Dhoni consistently losing the toss. THird,rain interruptions and the D/L method of computing the winning score. In the irst game, rain saved the home team! I yet think,( I may sound partial), but Dhoni and his young substiitute players showed better sporting spirit and played according to the " spirit of the game". I hope the Indian selectors pick fit players - to be certified by medical team. Players who are keen on playing should also be checked for their general fitness regimen. technique or the temperament asan opener. He is a better suited to the middle order. Why couldnt we try M.Vijay for the opener's slot? Munaf at his pace and as a liability on the field shouldnt play in ODIs.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 2:47 GMT)

Cricket is tagged as the "Gentlemen's Game". Even if it doesn't carry that tag, the mere fact that it is a sport, demands the players to display a higher level of sportsmanship, than wasting valuable match time using the weather as a prop to manipulate the result of a match. Sadness deepens due to the fact that teams involved were the World Champs and the #1 Test Team. There's no doubt about the talents of these players possess, but the time feels high to fine-tune their characters. After all, these players are role models for many generations to come. It's good that NATURE took the matter into her own hands and denied both of the teams a victory, as none deserved to be victors. Sorry guys, yesterday's tricks were cheap - you should have done better! We pray that you'll have the courage do so, in future.

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (September 12, 2011, 2:28 GMT)

England got away here two times already. That's not gonna happen when they come to India this october. 5-0 whitewash. Take that !!

Posted by littlesweetie on (September 12, 2011, 2:19 GMT)

I am little surprised the performance of fourth odi also not helpful to win the match., you are playing against England team, Drs, D/l Method, Irritating England fans,and finally the Nature., We are World Champions for next four years in this 50 over format., Lets England come to our country and show them we are champions don't let the to dominate in a single odi., Pls play with Varon Aaron show the pace to England team while they facing three medium pacers., This is forgettable tour for us ., Let Build the team for Australia series., MSD Good Luck to your team.,

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 1:34 GMT)

India should have won the first ODI and this ODI as well if the rain Gods did not interfere. I dont think England deserved win the ODI series at all. They are a poor ODI side. And the true test lies in beating India, in India, which will prove if England really are the No 1 Test side.

Posted by landl47 on (September 12, 2011, 0:52 GMT)

It's a pity that the match couldn't have been played out to the end. A tie with 7 balls to go isn't really a result at all. Incidentally, India scored 14 off their last 7 balls, so even with Finn, Anderson and the injured Broad to come England had a good chance.

Posted by JustOUT on (September 12, 2011, 0:44 GMT)

For India its not Test series washout.. Its going to be total Tour washout. What a lesson for these IPL heroes.

Posted by   on (September 12, 2011, 0:40 GMT)

in the end still no wins ! these guys desperately need rest

Posted by jackiethepen on (September 11, 2011, 23:11 GMT)

Every batsman knows that the D/L changes when a side loses a wicket. I would bet that every spectator knows it too. By the way brilliant as Bopara's innings was to make the tie, he did not save England from 61-3, that was done by a solid partnership with Bell of 98 - both had 54 when Bell was out. Tut tut. Cricket is not baseball. I really find it irritating when partnerships are ignored as if only one batsman is at the crease.

Posted by Yevghenny on (September 11, 2011, 22:26 GMT)

The fans want to see a game of cricket, staying on with so little time left should be imperative unless absolutely necessary (which today ultimately it couldn't go on). Players must remember people have travelled a long way and watching every ball, they want to see a result! In the end the tie was correct result. What was that 10 minute break about?? There's the match right there

Posted by yorkshirematt on (September 11, 2011, 22:17 GMT)

"Cook, though, was fully behind the umpires which perhaps isn't surprising as England clinched the series." I think Cook is an honest bloke and would have said this whatever the result.

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