India in England 2011 September 18, 2011

Flower wants England to retain hunger

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Andy Flower, the England coach, has said the successful blooding of a new generation of cricketers in the recent one-day series against India will provide an extra incentive for his senior players in the Test team to build on the high standards they produced in their rise to the top of the world rankings.

Speaking in the aftermath of England's impressive six-wicket win in the fifth and final ODI in Cardiff - a result which handed them a comprehensive 3-0 scoreline - Flower reflected that the international season "couldn't have gone much better". Nevertheless, he warned of the dangers of self-satisfaction creeping into the squad's mentality, and said any player who dared to rest on his laurels risked paying for that attitude with his place.

"I am delighted with the way the summer has gone, but at the risk of repeating ourselves we don't just want to put our feet up and say, 'Gee, it's a lovely little time we have had together'," said Flower. "If people aren't hungry enough then I don't think they will keep up with the side. They will drop out or be dropped out.

"The hunger is very important because it drives you to train harder, it drives you to get out of bed early in the morning to go training. It drives you to do the extra work and to do your skills practice. To keep the weight off your body. It drives you to be inquisitive about maximising your potential.

"If there is any self-satisfaction or too much contentment it can take you into a dangerous place. Our philosophy is to look forward and at the challenges ahead as opposed to those behind us. If you do look behind you, you are not planning properly for the future."

The dramatic arrival of the 21-year-old Yorkshire batsman Jonny Bairstow is a case in point. His nerveless debut innings of 41 not out from 21 balls not only secured a notable victory in a stiff run-chase in Cardiff, it served notice of the talent challenging for regular places in the England team, and reminded those players currently on the sidelines - Eoin Morgan and Kevin Pietersen among them - that competition is healthy.

"I can't remember a debut like that," said Flower. "It was very clean and impressive hitting. Not many people can strike it as cleanly as that. Not many people are that talented. He should be very proud of his performance and it is great to make an impact in international cricket straightaway, but let's all keep level heads about it. Talk is cheap, but he did it with his actions, and he will continually be asked questions to repeat his performances out there in the middle when the pressure is on."

As Flower suggested, Bairstow's "innocence" at international level may have helped him to shrug off the pressures of the match situation, and play each of his 21 balls on its merits. Though he wouldn't be drawn on specific matters of selection ahead of the tour of India next month, Flower used an analogy from his own playing days with Zimbabwe to highlight the situation that England have now reached, with so many candidates pressing their claims for places in England's various teams.

"What it does re-emphasise to me is that opportunity is very important," said Flower. "When we were given Test status, I was a little skeptical that we deserved it as a Test-playing nation, but I thought, 'wow, what an opportunity'. I never thought I'd play international cricket. You've been given a chance, try to do something with it. These young guys have been given a chance and it's very interesting to see how they've done against similar opposition. I think that's been very informative for everyone and very exciting for the future of English cricket."

England's one-day campaign hasn't just been about Bairstow's performance. Steven Finn filled the void left by James Anderson and Stuart Broad in Cardiff with his best spell to date in one-day cricket, while Jade Dernbach has shown the potential to become a truly innovative bowler, even if he hasn't quite learned when to use his many slower-ball variations. Ravi Bopara overcame a torrid start to the series to produce key innings in each of the last three games, and Flower was delighted with the overall direction of his team.

"The guys have been grabbing their opportunities, which is outstanding," said Flower. "We have got a little bit of exposure into Ben Stokes - it has been exciting working with him - he is an exciting young player and a really good young man. Dernbach has got more exposure and experience against a really good one-day side, so a lot of good things have happened.

"We've won in difficult situations - it has been a really good series in that regard," added Flower. "We rested KP, we played Bell at No. 4, then through injuries other people have got chances. Finn, in the two chances we have given him, has been outstanding. His figures don't suggest so but he looked really exciting as a fast bowler and he is going to be an integral part of the England attack over the next few years. Bairstow last night got his one chance and grabbed it with both hands, and it was nice for Ravi to see it right through to the end last night."

On a personal note, Flower was adamant that his own hunger for the England job matches that which he expects of his charges, not least having witnessed the sort of potential that has been displayed in the past fortnight.

"I am excited," he said. "I have only been doing this job two-and-a-half years and a lot has happened - it is amazing how quickly things happen. When I was given the job I said I wanted to make a difference and I still hope that can occur in the next couple of years. I am very proud of the way the guys are performing and it is interesting to see how the three captains [approach] pans out.

"I am sure most coaches are the same - coaches or captains - you shouldn't need motivation to play for your country. There are plenty of reasons to be motivated. It is more about channeling that energy and making sure it is organised and making sure, as far as possible, individuals are maximising their potential. I don't think it is so much motivation - it is more how we manage that.

"The side is going to vary along the way but English cricket has good resources - both financial and human. There are proud cricketing nations out there that are just as hungry as us so it is going to be a good battle. We can achieve very good things. That was a very young side we had out there - Swann I assume was the oldest - so that is a very young side to beat India."

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • bumsonseats on September 19, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    to tell u the truth i will be happy when the 1 day series in india is over. then reason and common sense may prevail. im sick of when u come to india this will happen. i waited the see what would happen series before the current test and 1 dayers started and the 0 - 4 then 0 - 5. when i was a kid i used those comments u hit me and my big brother will get u. it will be nice to get back to a decent topic of conversation. dpk

  • 5wombats on September 19, 2011, 13:42 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding; dead right. Every time india lose there will always be an excuse; ball too round, bat too wooden, etc, you know the routine. It may not have occured to them that when their team lose - it's because the better team beat them.

  • aracer on September 19, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    @Nampally - nice to finally see a balanced comment from an India fan. My understanding was that Zaheer at least is still out for the return ODI series (I wouldn't put money on him being fit for the return Test series!)

  • YorkshirePudding on September 19, 2011, 8:25 GMT

    @phoenixsteve, why waste your typing, everything that doesnt favour India is Biased according to some fans, be it Umpire, DRS, the weather, the pitches, the laws of the game.

  • justk on September 19, 2011, 8:13 GMT

    @nampally: i agree with you..and how did india lose matches is also clear..wet ball..ball not spinning, no swing movement, no seam movement..indian batsman were blasting sixes when there was seam and swing..and after that, rain during the batting of england..and england is best team..to early to say..let us wait for 2 more years..and i am sure, by that time even indian team would have improved..again all the 5 nations would play tough cricket as 2015 world cup would be approaching..the team which would gel from late 2013 would be the contender for 2015 world cup

  • on September 19, 2011, 2:16 GMT

    Wait. It's too early to pass any judgment. Just a few good hits in the slog doesn't make a promising talent. Need to wait and watch at least a year to conclude if this young crop really has talent. By the way, England need to win at least 2 games in India to prove that they are a tough unit.

  • phoenixsteve on September 19, 2011, 0:41 GMT

    @Nampally and others.... As an England supporter I would of course argue that the DL method (and the great British weather) saved India from even more humiliation? The DL system is supposed to be fair though..... it's not something desiigned to be part of an anti Indian conspiracy!!! Get real people.. PLEASE in the name of CRICKET!!!

  • Nampally on September 18, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    @darrenh: I am an Indian fan and I am equally puzzled by India A,B & C teams. Officially there are no such designations. But the fans can use their imagination & make up what ever they want. To be honest it is futile to talk about the team performance in India even before the teams are announced.By winning 3-0, England has sent clear signal that India need a better bowling to win. Just by batting &without good bowling & fielding Indian cannot win irrespective of the Venue. The Big 5- Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer & Yuvraj are yet to declare their fitness.All 5 are out of shape and need to work really hard to get fit in time for ODI #1 .Dhoni, Kumar, Raina, Kohli, Rahane are all fit and hopefully will remain so.If the Big 5 & these 5 are in the squad, the last 5 will be bowlers like Ashwin/Harbhajan, Ojha, Rahul Sharma, Munaf patel & Ishant Sharma.My assessment of India B team is when the Big 5 are missing - Do other fans agree?.In India D/L will not decide the game as in England.

  • darrenh on September 18, 2011, 22:35 GMT

    Just for the record my England "A" and "B" teams are as follows: A- Cook, Trott, Bell Pietersen, Morgan, Bopara, Patel, Kieswetter, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Dernbach, Anderson. B- Taylor , Hales, Bopara, Butler, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Shahzad, Tredwell, Borthwick, Tremlett, Dernbach, Finn. I think the B team would have put up a creditable performance against the Indian team that just played (minus of course Dhoni, Raina, and Munaf).

  • phoenixsteve on September 18, 2011, 21:46 GMT

    The real difficulty in assessing just how good a performance England have shown this summer is the strength of the opposition? Are India so aweful or are England so good? The upcoming ODI series in India will answer something about the ODI side but in test cricket it's been England by a classy canter. All this is in the past now but things are looking much rosier for England supporters than they are for poor Indian fans! Add the impending retirement of VVS, Tendulkar and Dravid and it could be very dark days ahead? In the meantime England should go from strength to strength and an England win in next months series is quite likely but fairly irrelevant. All the England players and coaching staff have done the country proud with classy performances THANKYOU to messrs Flower/Gooch/Strauss/Cook and co....... Once again Cricket is the winner!

  • bumsonseats on September 19, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    to tell u the truth i will be happy when the 1 day series in india is over. then reason and common sense may prevail. im sick of when u come to india this will happen. i waited the see what would happen series before the current test and 1 dayers started and the 0 - 4 then 0 - 5. when i was a kid i used those comments u hit me and my big brother will get u. it will be nice to get back to a decent topic of conversation. dpk

  • 5wombats on September 19, 2011, 13:42 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding; dead right. Every time india lose there will always be an excuse; ball too round, bat too wooden, etc, you know the routine. It may not have occured to them that when their team lose - it's because the better team beat them.

  • aracer on September 19, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    @Nampally - nice to finally see a balanced comment from an India fan. My understanding was that Zaheer at least is still out for the return ODI series (I wouldn't put money on him being fit for the return Test series!)

  • YorkshirePudding on September 19, 2011, 8:25 GMT

    @phoenixsteve, why waste your typing, everything that doesnt favour India is Biased according to some fans, be it Umpire, DRS, the weather, the pitches, the laws of the game.

  • justk on September 19, 2011, 8:13 GMT

    @nampally: i agree with you..and how did india lose matches is also clear..wet ball..ball not spinning, no swing movement, no seam movement..indian batsman were blasting sixes when there was seam and swing..and after that, rain during the batting of england..and england is best team..to early to say..let us wait for 2 more years..and i am sure, by that time even indian team would have improved..again all the 5 nations would play tough cricket as 2015 world cup would be approaching..the team which would gel from late 2013 would be the contender for 2015 world cup

  • on September 19, 2011, 2:16 GMT

    Wait. It's too early to pass any judgment. Just a few good hits in the slog doesn't make a promising talent. Need to wait and watch at least a year to conclude if this young crop really has talent. By the way, England need to win at least 2 games in India to prove that they are a tough unit.

  • phoenixsteve on September 19, 2011, 0:41 GMT

    @Nampally and others.... As an England supporter I would of course argue that the DL method (and the great British weather) saved India from even more humiliation? The DL system is supposed to be fair though..... it's not something desiigned to be part of an anti Indian conspiracy!!! Get real people.. PLEASE in the name of CRICKET!!!

  • Nampally on September 18, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    @darrenh: I am an Indian fan and I am equally puzzled by India A,B & C teams. Officially there are no such designations. But the fans can use their imagination & make up what ever they want. To be honest it is futile to talk about the team performance in India even before the teams are announced.By winning 3-0, England has sent clear signal that India need a better bowling to win. Just by batting &without good bowling & fielding Indian cannot win irrespective of the Venue. The Big 5- Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer & Yuvraj are yet to declare their fitness.All 5 are out of shape and need to work really hard to get fit in time for ODI #1 .Dhoni, Kumar, Raina, Kohli, Rahane are all fit and hopefully will remain so.If the Big 5 & these 5 are in the squad, the last 5 will be bowlers like Ashwin/Harbhajan, Ojha, Rahul Sharma, Munaf patel & Ishant Sharma.My assessment of India B team is when the Big 5 are missing - Do other fans agree?.In India D/L will not decide the game as in England.

  • darrenh on September 18, 2011, 22:35 GMT

    Just for the record my England "A" and "B" teams are as follows: A- Cook, Trott, Bell Pietersen, Morgan, Bopara, Patel, Kieswetter, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Dernbach, Anderson. B- Taylor , Hales, Bopara, Butler, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Shahzad, Tredwell, Borthwick, Tremlett, Dernbach, Finn. I think the B team would have put up a creditable performance against the Indian team that just played (minus of course Dhoni, Raina, and Munaf).

  • phoenixsteve on September 18, 2011, 21:46 GMT

    The real difficulty in assessing just how good a performance England have shown this summer is the strength of the opposition? Are India so aweful or are England so good? The upcoming ODI series in India will answer something about the ODI side but in test cricket it's been England by a classy canter. All this is in the past now but things are looking much rosier for England supporters than they are for poor Indian fans! Add the impending retirement of VVS, Tendulkar and Dravid and it could be very dark days ahead? In the meantime England should go from strength to strength and an England win in next months series is quite likely but fairly irrelevant. All the England players and coaching staff have done the country proud with classy performances THANKYOU to messrs Flower/Gooch/Strauss/Cook and co....... Once again Cricket is the winner!

  • on September 18, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    @darrenh, totally agree, can someone please post 22 players, none of which played against England on this tour, all of whom are better than the Indian players who were available. I'M WAITING!!!

  • allblue on September 18, 2011, 21:08 GMT

    I'm sure there are people who comment here without bothering to read the article first! The England coach, Test and ODI captain have all repeated the same mantra all summer. 'Yes, we're pleased to have got where we are, but we've got to improve, there's no room for complacency'. For the record, England have won 8 and drawn 1 (in SA) of their last 9 Test series, and won 9 out of their last 11 bi-lateral ODI series so they can't exactly be rubbish can they! For all that, they are only 4th in the ODI rankings, and may be 2nd in the Test rankings the next time they play if South Africa make a clean sweep of their upcoming 5 home Tests (2 v Aus, 3 v SL). This is because in the 2 years before Flower/Strauss took over results were very patchy, but it's that two year cycle we are about to begin so if, and it's a big 'if', England can reproduce anything like their last two year's form they would be clear at the top of both sets of rankings. That's the target Flower has in mind I'm sure.

  • SFGoldenGate on September 18, 2011, 20:28 GMT

    Well said Darrenh. Yeah, we need to know the players list who plays in India national team, Indian A , B, C . We also need to know when team changes from India to India A, or B etc. Like for example, as Valavan pointed out, if Shewag (Btw he is the best flat track no-footwork bully) and Khan is out then India instantly changes to something else. If Indian players are injured then it does not count, winning all over the world does not count unless you win in India, other teams injury should not overshadow the Indian heros. DRS can be used when Indian's are plumb or incident like Dravid's shoe-lace and not reffering is actually DRS's fault. All the wins against India are by "cilmatic" win (I have fallen in love with this new cricketing term) , or by D/L. Inida is surely gonna win in October and that will prove all of these rules , assumptions and claims right. So, guys, even if we try to say something we need to know which team we are playing -- India A , B or C . Cricinfo, pls publish

  • Valavan on September 18, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    @darrenh, well said, India A or B or C, all teams have common members like kohli, raina, munaf. Even Dravid played the C team and Dhoni is the captain for all A,B and C teams. If india plays without Khan and Sehwag, it is nevertheless B team, eventhough sachin, gambhir or other players play in it. More excuses are welcome in this forum from indian fans.

  • darrenh on September 18, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    I'm a bit confused with all the comments suggesting England beat India's C team. If this is so, who is in India A and B teams? If any Indian fan would like to post the names of the 22 players I would be very grateful

  • Valavan on September 18, 2011, 18:41 GMT

    Well, the Indian team or the indian fans never realize the mistakes. OK we know we must prove in subcontinent. Then please wait until the game kick starts, why you gotta curse or attack english team. We know our strengths and weaknesses, OK we are not the great windies or aussies of past, at the same time indian fans accept you were also not in the same league. We are preparing for indian tour. I dont want to talk or curse or create bad atmosphere here, our team will talk in the field. OK.

  • mhb1 on September 18, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    bring back asif & aamir i cant wait any more to see england batsmen's dance on crease again :P

  • YorkshirePudding on September 18, 2011, 17:31 GMT

    In regards to getting thrashed in India, it might happen, and I wouldnt discount the fact, but England will learn from the defeat and be stronger for it, the question is will india Learn from these defeats........ased on what the indian fans are saying, I fear not. and to quote Tsun Tsu : 'Pretend inferiority and encourage the oppositions arrogance.'

  • CRICKET_NATION_INDIA on September 18, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    Every team is good in their backyard now don't think they are world leaders come to sub-continent and show your racing skill with ball and you will end in NO BALLS

  • Toon-Harmy on September 18, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    I think England are more than capable of following up their Test No1 status by reaching the top of the ODI rankings as well. Strength in depth will be crucial to that ambition being realised, which is why it's heartening to see young talent like Bairstow, Finn and Stokes emerging. England's biggest problem with recent ODI series (and against Australia especially) is that they've had a distinct 'After the Lord Mayors Show' feel to them given the euphoria of preceding Test/Ashes wins and subsequently a little intensity has been lacking. Having a deeper talent pool to choose from should rectify that. Hearty congratulations to Flower and his players on a superb summer in all formats of the game. The future looks bright for England, regardless of what their churlish critics think.

  • rapidstar on September 18, 2011, 16:20 GMT

    I think England is getting carried away with this series win. They are not realizing that they played with India team "C", bench to the bench due to all the injuries. England did not win, it is India that is lost. So, my advise to England is calm down & look at things realistically.

  • Lord_Dravid on September 18, 2011, 14:53 GMT

    england's success against india had been due to the oppositions shortcomings nothing else..Andy Flower says he's delighted how the summer has turned out for them but we'll see how 'delighted' he gets in india next month!

  • spence1324 on September 18, 2011, 14:45 GMT

    I hope england just blood there new players in the next odi's series in india,im not to bothered about the result,sure take some senior players but get the youngsters the feel of what it is like to play on different surfaces be it flattrack or spin friendly or dustbowls,as for the indians im not commenting on them simple resion i dont care about them!

  • CricIndia208 on September 18, 2011, 14:08 GMT

    England may have to bring back Panesar if they want to win in the subcontinent and UAE. One spinner will not do. Also, their batsmen are untested against quality spin in spin-friendly conditions.

  • LazloWoodbine on September 18, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    @maddy20- As a SAn let me tell you that we don't have an issue anymore with the players we lose to England. We like to tease the English fans about it a bit, but it's good-natured. Besides, we he have Imran Tahir playing for us, and he's as committed to the Proteas as his team-mates. @Ian Levinson - SA are waiting for anynone and everyone. All teams are a tough lot to beat, and we won't be hurling the verbal tripe at England fans the likes of which Indian fans have been guilty of. Oh, and stop speaking for us SAns, will ya?

  • Nampally on September 18, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    It is always good to have hunger for Winning. But despite this winning attitude there should also be enough talent in the team. If this confidence is based on beating a depleted India 3-0, then think again and reevaluate the team.I would say England is an average batting side and slightly above average bowling.Cook, Trott, Bell & Bopara are good batsmen and Swann, Anderson & Finn good bowlers. But if this team can still win against a full strength Indian team, then it has proven itself. Till that time it is best to reserve the judgement. Confidence and belief comes from winning. Right now both these factors are at their peak, thanks to mediocre Indian bowling, which was below the county level.India even with injuries had better bowlers who were not included due to inept selection. India must understand that ODI requires economical wicket taking bowlers + good batting & fielding to win matches.They forgot these fundamentals and got thrashed royally. What will they do next in October?

  • Ghazanfarr on September 18, 2011, 13:01 GMT

    Its much bad for a world champion team that he has been lost all kind of matches. its hard to believe that its has happened. i think world champion team had relaxed and did not take serious Eng tour. indian people and BCCI should not ignore this unbelieveble performance. they should inquired in strict that why they have no won a single game. in my point of view the Indian team has still rely on their big Stars like Sachin Tandulkar, Mahendara Singh Dhone and Zaheer Khan. buts its reality that the team has Eleven players . what are doing remaining eight players. its reality that that time has gone, when only Sachin Tandulkar performed and India won. but now cricket has changed, every players should play his role for winning as every player get a sufficent fee for playing. the indian players should keep in their minds if they perform continously they will remain HERO for indians like Sachin Tandulkar. he perform throughout year, not give a single performance after a year or two.

  • criclover112 on September 18, 2011, 12:59 GMT

    England have strongly established themselves as the dominant Test team in world cricket right now. They are different from India, who when they were No.1, were either winning series narrowly or would end up with a tie; such as the home and away test series against Sothafrica and the series against srilanka. england on the other hand are completely demolishing their opponents, such as Australia in Australia and now India. They also beat pak and Srilanka. indians fans who are talking about India A side and all should remember that at the Oval test match India had their complete batting line up present and the pitch resembled subcontinental tracks but the result was same, that is england won comprehensively. As for the ODI series England were missing players too and most of their team comprised of new players, so stop making excuses and admit that England are a better team.

  • landl47 on September 18, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    @Ian Levinson: England seems to travel against South Africa quite well. They've won and tied the last two test series in SA, won the last ODI series in SA and beaten them in the World Cup. Still, we'll see how well South Africa travel next year. They couldn't manage to beat India at home this year and you've just seen how England compared with that. @Gupta.Ankur: I'm curious to know why you think that. The England side which beat Australia and India is young and England have many fine young players coming up (this article is about one of them). The Indian team is old and India doesn't seem to have any top-class bowlers coming up, and the same with Australia. SA has never dominated and when Kallis and Smith go their batting looks weak. Unless you know something no-one else does, it seems to me you are just hoping things will be the same as they have been. The West Indies had the same hope, and where are they?

  • on September 18, 2011, 12:21 GMT

    Dont wary India cricket fans Pakistan team will take the revenge.

  • shilsen on September 18, 2011, 12:06 GMT

    @maddy20 - Can we please give this inane "English players are really South African" tripe a rest? Not only does it come across as jealous whining about the success of a really good team, but it's an utterly arbitrary distinction. Nasser Hussain was born in Madras. Does that mean he wasn't 'authentically' English? These so-called South African players that people like you go on about have spent incredible amounts of time and effort to play for England. If I was foolish enough to start grading the nationality of players the way some people do, I'd actually consider any immigrants the true members of a nation - since they were actually invested enough to travel from far away and work and strive to become part of the country, whereas the non-immigrants had to do nothing but were, through complete coincidence, simply born there.

  • voma on September 18, 2011, 11:59 GMT

    @ Ian Levinson , England beating a struggling Australia in the ASHES home and away . Is no Biggie ? . Oh please tell me the last time South Africa managed to do that ? . Have you seen what has happened to a very confidant India , they have been totally blown away .

  • gloves71 on September 18, 2011, 11:33 GMT

    @Hamad Rasool Bhullar What? A DNB and 0 for 32 off 10 overs vs Kenya? Not exactly in the same category as Bairstow scoring 41 off 21 in a high-scoring run chase against the current World Champions now is it? Stop trying to put down good performances just because it was not done by 'your' team.

  • Gupta.Ankur on September 18, 2011, 10:33 GMT

    I think Eng mustn't get too ahead of themselves........they recent success against Aus and Ind have been more due to the opposition's short-comings then anything else....

    I am sure once again it will be trio of Aus,Ind and SA who will dominate all 3 forms of the game for coming future....

  • yorkshirematt on September 18, 2011, 10:19 GMT

    @maddy20 It should be Andy Flower wants Yorkshire to retain hunger, so that they can get many Bairstows, Bresnans and the like! With the young ENGLISH talent coming through they're well on the way to shifting the "South Africa B" tag.

  • voma on September 18, 2011, 10:14 GMT

    These are fine times for England now , but some how i think we owe Sri Lanka a big thank you for the series before India . Dilshan and his boys pushed England , and didnt throw in the towel . I believe they hardened players like Anderson , Broad and KP .

  • on September 18, 2011, 9:37 GMT

    looking forward to see how tough england are when they step off there precious uk turf, so you beat a struggling australia in the ashes, still no biggie, we all know what miserable travellers you are, south africa is waiting for you, at home or abroad, enjoy your number 1 spot england , you will fall very soon just like you always do

  • Nutcutlet on September 18, 2011, 8:51 GMT

    maddy20: What is your problem? England players conform to regulations regarding eligibility to play for England and these are universally and legally accepted by all. All of our (and they are ours!) players with a S. African connection are as committed to the cause as anyone born and brought up in Bradford! Why don't you have something to say which actually contributes to the points raised by Flower and how he sees English cricket's advancement? Would you, for instance, care to comment on how other countries are lagging behind in their work ethic, organisational capacity and desire to build on success? Do you think that England just floated to the top by accident? Have something interesting to say - don't just dip into your old bucket of churlish cliches which bore your readers again and again. Now, in your next post, try to make a balanced and mature comment that engages the mind!

  • Ravi_kumar_Kinnera on September 18, 2011, 8:30 GMT

    Why the Indian team haven't tried Varun Aron? Why did they selected him for England tour, only for sitting in dressing room?? They should have tried him in English conditions atleast for finaly ODI. Giving a chance in Indian conditions may not bring best from any bowler. He has pace, he can bowl 145+ constantly. I know bowling fast may not help without having variations and swing but Varon Aron sholud deserve a chance to proove himself. Definitly there is some communication gap between the BCCI who selected Varun Aron and the team in England who selected final XI. India can't be a number one team without having good bowling attack. The tour of England really shown -ve shades of Indian cricket team especially in bowling area. All the good teams has the bowlers who can bowl quick as well as swing. When did india groom with this kind of attack?? BCCI has to think about grooming bowlers not about earning money.

  • hakapuu on September 18, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    I love the brouhaha surrounding England defeating a India A side. I am not taking anything away from England. They played well but to be chased so close in every game by a India A side doesnt really tell anyone anything about Engand moving up in ODI rankings! Its actually kinda scary that their bowlers were hit all over the park by a bunch of indian side non regulars. Elgnad is shaping into a really good Test team but still far from anything spectacular in ODIs. Although a good performance in Indian ODIs next month might change that!

  • Ravi_kumar_Kinnera on September 18, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    Why the Indian team haven't tried Varun Aron? Why did they selected him for England tour, only for sitting in dressing room?? They should have tried him in English conditions atleast for finaly ODI. Giving a chance in Indian conditions may not bring best from any bowler. He has pace, he can bowl 145+ constantly. I know bowling fast may not help without having variations and swing but Varon Aron sholud deserve a chance to proove himself. Definitly there is some communication gap between the BCCI who selected Varun Aron and the team in England who selected final XI. India can't be a number one team without having good bowling attack. The tour of England really shown -ve shades of Indian cricket team especially in bowling area. All the good teams has the bowlers who can bowl quick as well as swing. When did india groom with this kind of attack?? BCCI has to think about grooming bowlers not about earning money.

  • on September 18, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    I think Andy Flower forgot the debut of Shahid Afridi....while saying the debut of Jonny Bairstow....anyways Good luck to him....!

  • garibaldi on September 18, 2011, 7:04 GMT

    I agree- and Flower's realism (echoed by Strauss, Cook and the other players) is an excellent sign. After the 2005 Ashes, is was really sad to see the side get cocky and complacent, and they paid the price. Just a couple of injuries showed that there was no bench strength or proper planning for the future- now we have an obvious captaincy successor in Cook, and a couple of others getting experience too; the bowling options are exciting (I do hope Woakes gets on the plane), and I think the selectors have shown great wisdom in using the one day series to blood some young batting talent. This being cricket, anything can change quickly, but even so I think Emglish fans can be allowed a little cautious optimism!

  • maddy20 on September 18, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    It should be Andy Folwer wants South Africa to retain hunger, so that they can get many Kieswetters, Dernbach's Pietersens Trotts and the like!

  • landl47 on September 18, 2011, 5:12 GMT

    Andy Flower is the ultimate realist. He's not carried away by one success (or two or three) but wants to build a sustained record of excellence. His time as coach is coinciding with one of the most exciting periods for young talent in England's history and he is intent on developing it. Finn was a revelation in the two ODIs he played because of how fast he is now bowling. Everything was above 140k and he topped out over 150k- that's serious pace. He's still only 22 and yet to fill out; by next summer he's going to be awesome. Bairstow looked great in his innings- really clean striking, something England needs in ODIs, but technically very correct as well. At 21 he must be a future test and ODI regular. Cook is being groomed as Strauss' successor and at 26 has many fine years ahead. It would be great to see England build a dynasty like the great sides of the past and Flower's the man to do it.

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  • landl47 on September 18, 2011, 5:12 GMT

    Andy Flower is the ultimate realist. He's not carried away by one success (or two or three) but wants to build a sustained record of excellence. His time as coach is coinciding with one of the most exciting periods for young talent in England's history and he is intent on developing it. Finn was a revelation in the two ODIs he played because of how fast he is now bowling. Everything was above 140k and he topped out over 150k- that's serious pace. He's still only 22 and yet to fill out; by next summer he's going to be awesome. Bairstow looked great in his innings- really clean striking, something England needs in ODIs, but technically very correct as well. At 21 he must be a future test and ODI regular. Cook is being groomed as Strauss' successor and at 26 has many fine years ahead. It would be great to see England build a dynasty like the great sides of the past and Flower's the man to do it.

  • maddy20 on September 18, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    It should be Andy Folwer wants South Africa to retain hunger, so that they can get many Kieswetters, Dernbach's Pietersens Trotts and the like!

  • garibaldi on September 18, 2011, 7:04 GMT

    I agree- and Flower's realism (echoed by Strauss, Cook and the other players) is an excellent sign. After the 2005 Ashes, is was really sad to see the side get cocky and complacent, and they paid the price. Just a couple of injuries showed that there was no bench strength or proper planning for the future- now we have an obvious captaincy successor in Cook, and a couple of others getting experience too; the bowling options are exciting (I do hope Woakes gets on the plane), and I think the selectors have shown great wisdom in using the one day series to blood some young batting talent. This being cricket, anything can change quickly, but even so I think Emglish fans can be allowed a little cautious optimism!

  • on September 18, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    I think Andy Flower forgot the debut of Shahid Afridi....while saying the debut of Jonny Bairstow....anyways Good luck to him....!

  • Ravi_kumar_Kinnera on September 18, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    Why the Indian team haven't tried Varun Aron? Why did they selected him for England tour, only for sitting in dressing room?? They should have tried him in English conditions atleast for finaly ODI. Giving a chance in Indian conditions may not bring best from any bowler. He has pace, he can bowl 145+ constantly. I know bowling fast may not help without having variations and swing but Varon Aron sholud deserve a chance to proove himself. Definitly there is some communication gap between the BCCI who selected Varun Aron and the team in England who selected final XI. India can't be a number one team without having good bowling attack. The tour of England really shown -ve shades of Indian cricket team especially in bowling area. All the good teams has the bowlers who can bowl quick as well as swing. When did india groom with this kind of attack?? BCCI has to think about grooming bowlers not about earning money.

  • hakapuu on September 18, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    I love the brouhaha surrounding England defeating a India A side. I am not taking anything away from England. They played well but to be chased so close in every game by a India A side doesnt really tell anyone anything about Engand moving up in ODI rankings! Its actually kinda scary that their bowlers were hit all over the park by a bunch of indian side non regulars. Elgnad is shaping into a really good Test team but still far from anything spectacular in ODIs. Although a good performance in Indian ODIs next month might change that!

  • Ravi_kumar_Kinnera on September 18, 2011, 8:30 GMT

    Why the Indian team haven't tried Varun Aron? Why did they selected him for England tour, only for sitting in dressing room?? They should have tried him in English conditions atleast for finaly ODI. Giving a chance in Indian conditions may not bring best from any bowler. He has pace, he can bowl 145+ constantly. I know bowling fast may not help without having variations and swing but Varon Aron sholud deserve a chance to proove himself. Definitly there is some communication gap between the BCCI who selected Varun Aron and the team in England who selected final XI. India can't be a number one team without having good bowling attack. The tour of England really shown -ve shades of Indian cricket team especially in bowling area. All the good teams has the bowlers who can bowl quick as well as swing. When did india groom with this kind of attack?? BCCI has to think about grooming bowlers not about earning money.

  • Nutcutlet on September 18, 2011, 8:51 GMT

    maddy20: What is your problem? England players conform to regulations regarding eligibility to play for England and these are universally and legally accepted by all. All of our (and they are ours!) players with a S. African connection are as committed to the cause as anyone born and brought up in Bradford! Why don't you have something to say which actually contributes to the points raised by Flower and how he sees English cricket's advancement? Would you, for instance, care to comment on how other countries are lagging behind in their work ethic, organisational capacity and desire to build on success? Do you think that England just floated to the top by accident? Have something interesting to say - don't just dip into your old bucket of churlish cliches which bore your readers again and again. Now, in your next post, try to make a balanced and mature comment that engages the mind!

  • on September 18, 2011, 9:37 GMT

    looking forward to see how tough england are when they step off there precious uk turf, so you beat a struggling australia in the ashes, still no biggie, we all know what miserable travellers you are, south africa is waiting for you, at home or abroad, enjoy your number 1 spot england , you will fall very soon just like you always do

  • voma on September 18, 2011, 10:14 GMT

    These are fine times for England now , but some how i think we owe Sri Lanka a big thank you for the series before India . Dilshan and his boys pushed England , and didnt throw in the towel . I believe they hardened players like Anderson , Broad and KP .