India in England 2014 July 15, 2014

India out-reversed on dry pitch

England consigned India to two reverse-swing-induced collapses whereas India bowlers mainly relied on the new ball's movement and uneven bounce by hitting the deck hard
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There was a time when reverse-swing was a strictly Asian art. Well, Pakistani first, and then rest of Asia's. The rest of the world has caught up with it now. Dale Steyn and James Anderson might even be the finest exponents of it. Still, when an England side outdoes India in almost Indian conditions on the reverse-swing front, it must hurt them as much as it should England or Australia if India or Pakistan bowl at top of off more often than them in green seaming conditions. In Nottingham, on a slow and low surface acknowledged by both sides as more Indian than English, the hosts out-reversed India.

England consigned India to two reverse-swing-induced collapses whereas India bowlers mainly relied on the new ball's movement and uneven bounce by hitting the deck hard. There are three aspects to a contest of reverse-swing, and India were short on all three: maintaining the ball, then actually bowling with it, and weathering the storm with the bat once the opposition starts getting it to go.

Virat Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane seem to be India's designated ball shiners. They worked hard on it through India's bowling, but there is more to maintaining the ball for reverse swing. Those commentators who were watching closely, looking for signs of reverse, say England simply maintained the ball better.

Earlier in the year, a Test between South Africa and Australia, played in similar conditions in Port Elizabeth, got ugly because the umpires took an exception to the repeated banging of the ball into the ground by infielders. England were smarter here.

They waited for the ball to go just far enough to justify that throw on the bounce. On occasions throws from mid-off or mid-on reached the stumps at the striker's end on a half-volley, which forced Matt Prior to go back and collect them on the bounce. Stuart Broad didn't mind sticking the boot out when fielding in his follow-through. In 2008, Wasim Akram, the king of reverse-swing, told ESPNcricinfo in an interview: "Sometimes bowlers used to stop the ball played back at them with their foot. If the boot spikes hit the rough side, it was Christmas. If it didn't, you shone the ball and moved on." Liam Plunkett bowled a spell made up almost exclusively of bouncers before lunch on day one, and the ball began to go just after lunch.

The reverse might not have been a direct result of all this, but England were trying more than India. And this is not ball-tampering. Not until it gets so excessive that umpires start to take notice. You have to keep trying, and keep trying within reasonable limits. After maintaining it, though, you need to bowl well with it too. The England quicks do seem to have more pace and accuracy, than India's, to be able to exploit reverse. At various stages, Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami have shown they can cause damage with reverse, but they are not quite Zaheer Khan with it. When Cheteshwar Pujara was asked if it was disappointing that England did more with the old ball than India, he bemoaned the lack of carry in the pitch, but isn't the lack of carry the necessity in the first place?

Also India are familiar with batting on such pitches, which is why their two periods of struggle against the reversing ball should come as a disappointment. In the first innings, Pujara went hard at one slightly slower inswinger from Anderson, and offered a catch to short mid-on. This was just when the ball had begun to go with the shine. Virat Kohli followed Pujara by becoming too mindful of inswing, and poked at a delivery wide enough to be left alone in normal circumstances.

The second innings was worse. On the final day, which began with the ball reversing, Kohli committed the biggest mistake: a drive across the line. Ajinkya Rahane repeated Kohli's first-innings mistake by looking to cover for the inswing, thus playing at a delivery wide enough to be left alone. It was a nervous shot, but also a better delivery than what Kohli got in the first innings. MS Dhoni became a victim of inswing later in that session, which could have cost India the Test.

The conditions, by all popular expectations, are not likely to change drastically over the series. It is hard to tell if India are pleased or displeased: they will welcome the soft launch for their batsmen, but these conditions eliminate their spinners and their quicks have struggled to bowl sides out twice for a long time. Reverse-swing promises to be a big factor in the rest of the series, and India will need to get better at dealing with it both when bowling and batting. Watch out for those throws into the ground and stuck-out boots.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Sir_Ivor on July 15, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    While Mr Monga is right about the pitch,I think the weather also playeda part in the slumps we saw at Trent Bridge.On the third day when India had England in trouble,it had something to do with the weather change and some good bouncers.There was conventional movement between lunch and tea on that day.Then on the last day when India lost those wickets early in the session, the weather was very English in which Anderson and Broad are very good.But it seems like the author has indeed done some research on the ways to get reverse swing other than by rubbing the ball manually.He has done this probably by examing closely when England bowled well in the last game and the circumstances preceding such improvement in bowling.The Indian bowlers will surely be better for this game I am sure.Apart from the pace bowlers,I feel that,Jadeja could possibly flight the ball more while imparting more spin to the ball. He could be very good then since flight is really the Achilles heel of the English bats.

  • on July 16, 2014, 23:25 GMT

    And I'm still naive enough to think that 130 overs a day could be bowled if fielders returned the ball (on the full or the bounce) directly to the bowler rather than the keeper after every ball.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 16, 2014, 6:32 GMT

    @Anvesh Shrivastava . You have mentioned about U.Yadav's control. What about Ishant who is far more senior than U.Yadav? I cannot find anything special from him than few good balls or spells from him. And Dhoni is holding his place just because he is the captain. He failed most of the timeas a batsman and even dropped catches in crucial situations. Due to his defensive approach and decisions India lost matches in SA and NZ where a win was sure.No need to continue with tested and failed Aswin in overseas tests. Either perform well or keep them for sub-continent just like Raina. Including players who are in good form is not at all a bad idea. 3 100s in 3 inngs isn't joke, dear.

  • Kinguru007. on July 15, 2014, 16:06 GMT

    I think Englishmen will over come India at Lord's. It's not going to be fully batter friendly track this time around after what happened in the last test.

  • ladycricfan on July 15, 2014, 15:05 GMT

    It will be suicidal on Dhoni's part and for the team India if Ashwin is not managed properly. Ashwin should come in. They have to choose one of Jadeja/Rohit/Binny depending on the conditions for the last spot.

  • india_boy33 on July 15, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    I really want India to win this test series even with 1-0 or draw 1-1 is also acceptable. Becoz after many away tests/series failure this is a good chance for team India to win a test or two away from home. Becoz after England we will to move to down under to play Australia in Nov. & w/o any shame or doubt it's true it's nearly impossible to win a single test against Aussies in down under. Becoz of totally different Pitches & more than that obviously too far better bowling line up than English team really they are the best bowling line up in the world right now. So I hope India will doing well in upcoming 4 matches against England.

  • Madpashcrickers on July 15, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    England's current test squad does not contain any bowlers remotely in the class of Wasim Akram, in terms of reverse swing or any other attribute, so India can be confident that any helpful conditions for swing will be of just as much assistance to them as England. India should now be confident having drawn the first test and seen there is not too much to fear from England's bowling - bearing in mind touring teams are generally a bit ring-rusty for the first test in a series and India only had two gentle warm-up games one of which was severely reduced by rain. The first test was effectively a proper warm-up for India and they will put more pressure on England at Lords now they are up and running and England failed to get a result from the first game.

  • on July 15, 2014, 14:43 GMT

    rohit and ashwin should replace binny and jadeja for the next match.

  • Greatest_Game on July 15, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    @ Sir_Ivor believes "I feel that,Jadeja could possibly flight the ball more while imparting more spin to the ball."

    Jadega can put more spin on the ball? Really? Even he has said he never knows if it will turn or not. Dhone puts more spin of India's performance than Jadega does on any delivery!

  • CricFanKrish on July 15, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    If India have to do better, they have to do both things better: Bowling and batting. While people keep saying that Indians play spin superbly, the recent lot including RD and SRT in their last stages have not. They have struggled against the likes of MM, GW, MP, etc. The one spinner who was played well is SW. Even less can be said against pace and swing. Indian quicks didn't exploit helpful conditions in Australia either. IMHO, Bhajji has faced far better away from India than Ashwin. He can be a useful bat at No.8, but the need of the hour is an effective spinner who can bowl well in all conditions. Shikar/Vijay need to be developed as part time spinners at least to give the other bowlers a rest. Who knows, one could become a spinning allrounder. Overall, I just hope both the bowlers and batsmen pull up their socks and start delivering.

  • Sir_Ivor on July 15, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    While Mr Monga is right about the pitch,I think the weather also playeda part in the slumps we saw at Trent Bridge.On the third day when India had England in trouble,it had something to do with the weather change and some good bouncers.There was conventional movement between lunch and tea on that day.Then on the last day when India lost those wickets early in the session, the weather was very English in which Anderson and Broad are very good.But it seems like the author has indeed done some research on the ways to get reverse swing other than by rubbing the ball manually.He has done this probably by examing closely when England bowled well in the last game and the circumstances preceding such improvement in bowling.The Indian bowlers will surely be better for this game I am sure.Apart from the pace bowlers,I feel that,Jadeja could possibly flight the ball more while imparting more spin to the ball. He could be very good then since flight is really the Achilles heel of the English bats.

  • on July 16, 2014, 23:25 GMT

    And I'm still naive enough to think that 130 overs a day could be bowled if fielders returned the ball (on the full or the bounce) directly to the bowler rather than the keeper after every ball.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 16, 2014, 6:32 GMT

    @Anvesh Shrivastava . You have mentioned about U.Yadav's control. What about Ishant who is far more senior than U.Yadav? I cannot find anything special from him than few good balls or spells from him. And Dhoni is holding his place just because he is the captain. He failed most of the timeas a batsman and even dropped catches in crucial situations. Due to his defensive approach and decisions India lost matches in SA and NZ where a win was sure.No need to continue with tested and failed Aswin in overseas tests. Either perform well or keep them for sub-continent just like Raina. Including players who are in good form is not at all a bad idea. 3 100s in 3 inngs isn't joke, dear.

  • Kinguru007. on July 15, 2014, 16:06 GMT

    I think Englishmen will over come India at Lord's. It's not going to be fully batter friendly track this time around after what happened in the last test.

  • ladycricfan on July 15, 2014, 15:05 GMT

    It will be suicidal on Dhoni's part and for the team India if Ashwin is not managed properly. Ashwin should come in. They have to choose one of Jadeja/Rohit/Binny depending on the conditions for the last spot.

  • india_boy33 on July 15, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    I really want India to win this test series even with 1-0 or draw 1-1 is also acceptable. Becoz after many away tests/series failure this is a good chance for team India to win a test or two away from home. Becoz after England we will to move to down under to play Australia in Nov. & w/o any shame or doubt it's true it's nearly impossible to win a single test against Aussies in down under. Becoz of totally different Pitches & more than that obviously too far better bowling line up than English team really they are the best bowling line up in the world right now. So I hope India will doing well in upcoming 4 matches against England.

  • Madpashcrickers on July 15, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    England's current test squad does not contain any bowlers remotely in the class of Wasim Akram, in terms of reverse swing or any other attribute, so India can be confident that any helpful conditions for swing will be of just as much assistance to them as England. India should now be confident having drawn the first test and seen there is not too much to fear from England's bowling - bearing in mind touring teams are generally a bit ring-rusty for the first test in a series and India only had two gentle warm-up games one of which was severely reduced by rain. The first test was effectively a proper warm-up for India and they will put more pressure on England at Lords now they are up and running and England failed to get a result from the first game.

  • on July 15, 2014, 14:43 GMT

    rohit and ashwin should replace binny and jadeja for the next match.

  • Greatest_Game on July 15, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    @ Sir_Ivor believes "I feel that,Jadeja could possibly flight the ball more while imparting more spin to the ball."

    Jadega can put more spin on the ball? Really? Even he has said he never knows if it will turn or not. Dhone puts more spin of India's performance than Jadega does on any delivery!

  • CricFanKrish on July 15, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    If India have to do better, they have to do both things better: Bowling and batting. While people keep saying that Indians play spin superbly, the recent lot including RD and SRT in their last stages have not. They have struggled against the likes of MM, GW, MP, etc. The one spinner who was played well is SW. Even less can be said against pace and swing. Indian quicks didn't exploit helpful conditions in Australia either. IMHO, Bhajji has faced far better away from India than Ashwin. He can be a useful bat at No.8, but the need of the hour is an effective spinner who can bowl well in all conditions. Shikar/Vijay need to be developed as part time spinners at least to give the other bowlers a rest. Who knows, one could become a spinning allrounder. Overall, I just hope both the bowlers and batsmen pull up their socks and start delivering.

  • IndianInnerEdge on July 15, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Umesh Yadav....we need him...else we donot have anyone who can shiver the timbers......I felt Ishant bowled with good intensity and rhythm augurs well for Lords.....Hope Binny has played his last test. Ever. Hope Jadeja has played his last overseas test. Ever. Since Yadav is not available, hope india select Aaron ....and hpe he lives up to the media generated hype of him bowling quick as opposed to the regular 120 kmph pathetic popgun twaddle that permeates indian cricket.....cricinfo plz publish

  • Cric_fann on July 15, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    What is Yadav doing in Australia?

  • Sir_Ivor on July 15, 2014, 12:26 GMT

    Mysecretme's observations are absolutely spot on and full of substance. I was also wondering why the Indian bowlers were not trying variations when the last England pair was creating history at Trent bridge recently. That apart the observation about Shami's run up is absolutely correct. Shami could be a big match winner if he works on his run up. It will make him hold his wrist and seam position better and make him more consistent in line and length.Shami has everything else that is needed. In fact Shoaib Akhtar had also made a similar observation. I wish Aaron Pandey and Pankaj are also picking up a few things from this tour. They could be in the side sometime on this tour. The idea is to have a good bench with good skills in all conditions. I remember Kapil came back a vastly improved bowler after the 1979 tour to England.

  • Absolutelycricket on July 15, 2014, 12:09 GMT

    Nottingham was the only chance India had to win match in this series. we saw a glimpse of indian batting when broad came in took two wickets on start of fifth day. after that pitch and criticism i dont think there will be flat or semi flat pitch in this series. unless weather or top order batsman stands like wall india is going to loose this series

  • Snambidi on July 15, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    India- England tTest Match 2 is to begin this coming Thursday.The first test after lot of fluctuations of Fortune,finally ended in equal level w/o win or loss.Thanks to Sturart Binny,Bhuvaneswar Kumar,Mohemmed Shamy,from India& Anderson& Joe Root from England who together created a novel brand new history in cricket which had never happened before .the mystery is like this: In the first Innings both teams played in such a way that their last wicket partnership played in identical manner .Both the pair of 10th wicket scored more than 100 runs partnership which had turned the prospects of the Test match.Finally with a Glorious effort from Binny& B.Kumar India escaped from the Jaws of humiliation once again. Both India & England had hopes of winning at one stage or other. So the first Test ended pleasantly for both the Nations. Now here comes the 2nd Test.Selection of final eleven seems to be a dilemma for India.The selectors are thinking how to pass through the haorns of this dilemma.

  • on July 15, 2014, 11:32 GMT

    I think this Trent Bridge wicket is epitome of a dead pitch.This pitch should not be confused with ones in India as in only two tests have been drawn in last 5 years which includes a tie and a draw,the one Cook referred to.This pitch did not reverse anything like it does in India something WI van testify and Shami has lost his rhythm a bit so he should be replaced by Aaron who can bowl some snorters at the tailenders

  • anuradha_d on July 15, 2014, 11:10 GMT

    Was India really out-reversed ????? How did Eng collapse o 200-7 from a very healthy score with only 1 down......

    It was to reverse....Ishant, Sami and even gentle medium Kumar was swinging the ball reverse ( 75 over old ball does not swing conventionally)......both his caught behinds were to reverse swing.......AND Eng did not collapse the second time.....because India did not bowl a second time at Eng.....and while on the subject it's also worth discussing who got the new ball to do more.....it was undoubtedly Kumar and sami.......and it's also worth stating Kumar's 5-80 odd were by far the most outstanding figures in the game......the point of this article???....seems like a pre-decided show ind weakness....but not logically backed and lacking completeness in analysis

  • Absolutelycricket on July 15, 2014, 11:06 GMT

    Dropping Umesh yadav for Aaron was a bad decision. Umesh can bowl really well in these conditions as we saw in warm up match against Australia here. yesterdays India A against Australlia A he has scored 90 with bat and took 5 wickets what else you want?

  • Yevghenny on July 15, 2014, 10:57 GMT

    I do think India were the better side in the first test match. The last wicket partnerships were bizarre. 111 for India with a guy that averages 3, and 198 for England! India had England in deep trouble before that, England started to open the door on the fifth day, but India recovered pretty well.

  • mysecretme on July 15, 2014, 10:33 GMT

    Shami is facing the same issue that the other Bengali bowler Dinda faced. They both have very bad run ups. By the time they reach the crease, they have expended all their energy and the final leap actually kills even the reserves. As a result they are both unbalanced at the end and this is causing them to spray the ball and lose their line, length and seam position. That is why they bowl worse with each passing spell. If they can approach the crease well, with energy still left, they will be able to bowl a lot better than they are doing now. Another issue is the complete reluctance of this attack to make the English batsmen drive and bowl slower balls to create catching opportunities. I think both the field placement and bowling talent is in question. The other issue is not trying yorkers. Lack of brain is what it looks like actually...

  • SrinivasPachari on July 15, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    I agree with Monga's comments that Shami should have reversed the old ball more (that is why he is in the team for) on that flat wicket. But out of the two teams India find themselves in slightly better position because their key spinner did not play in the game. Plus, irrespective of the conditions, the fact that Indians were able to post 400 odd totals in BOTH the innings even after the failures of Kohli, Dhawan and Rahane (failures from Indian batting standards) should give huge confidence to Indians. I think (one can only presume) Bell and Anderson's career maybe ending. Despite the lifeless track in TrentBridge, I think we have an interesting series ahead of us.

  • on July 15, 2014, 10:09 GMT

    Reply @Fast_Track_Bully Well ohk Dhoni Ishant Jadeja Ashwin are not yet proven test players..But from a single test match outcome in which naman ojha umesh yadav and amit mishra outclased a nation's A-side cricket team on their home grounds these ill pundits decleare those players as the successors of the current international players.. A match is what it takes to include a player in the international squad! Amit Mishra has no stamina for a long test series, Umesh Yadav has not shown control over his swing yet...And they are so soon international class player for you.Well Kohli underperformed in the first test match so does that implies he should be replaced by someone like Manoj Tiwari who currently after the IPL is a better player in accordance to form than kohli!

  • jmcilhinney on July 15, 2014, 9:38 GMT

    One a different note, I find it amusing that, when Australia were last in England, the Ashes were played on dry pitches like this and numerous Australian fans went on for ages about how England had tailored the pitches for Graeme Swann specifically to counteract Australia. At the time, numerous England fans countered that that's much more how English pitches are these days, particularly given that that was a dry summer, and we were sneered at. Now, here are England playing SL and India on very similar pitches without Swann. What's the conspiracy this time? If the pitches are the same again when Australia are next in England I'll wager that those same Australians will claim that it's a deliberate ploy to blunt Mitchell Johnson's pace and bounce.

  • rappedonthepads on July 15, 2014, 9:29 GMT

    Reverse swing was purely a Pak specialty. India merely adopted it in spells. I can recall specific spells where Indian bowlers have reveled in 'reverse swing' conditions. Srinath in Motera in '96 and Ishant Sharma in Australia in 2008 come to mind and to an extent Zaheer. So to be surprised that India are being outdone on reverse swing by England is indeed surprising. We all remember Ashes of 2005 when both Simon Jones & Flintoff set up the English victory with reverse swing. Also, for Reverse swing is hardly effective at 130-133 KPH. And almost Indian conditions?? What part? Certainly not the weather, not the outfield, not the amount of turn on the wicket, not the deterioration a pitch goes through in India over 5 days.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 15, 2014, 9:14 GMT

    N.Ojha , U yadav and A.Mishra waiting to replace Dhoni , Ishant and Ashwin/Jadjea in tests. Time to give captaincy to Kohli and keeping to Ojha. Dhoni is not at all a good test captain or WK batsman.

  • Herath-UK on July 15, 2014, 8:34 GMT

    Kholi & others failed sadly but be hopeful they have eight more innings to come up with a few centuries & improve their stats to boast around which unfortunately was not available to great Sanga or Mahela who were struggling to come up with a final innings just after the first Test.Cold is no more talked about which was the main worry at the early season giving indians the best of everything & we should expect few big innings from them which I think going to happen soon,no reason to suspect.

  • satishchandar on July 15, 2014, 8:23 GMT

    I doubt that England actually outbowled India.. If you discount the last wicket stands (which is more luck and less classy) from both sides, Indian bowlers outbowled English based on first innings. This is considering the heavy experience gap(England got Anderson and Broad) and alien conditions(yes even though not completely alien).. Almost every batsman is playing first test in England.. And same with the 9 batsmen with test 100's line up of England expected to feast the Indian trundlers.. On these conditions, i would say it as India 60 and England 40 after the first game.

  • ShanTheFanOfSachin on July 15, 2014, 8:21 GMT

    Its incredible how people are trying to celebrate this drawn as an achievement of their batsmen and bowlers.

    You are talking about 2 Test teams, ENG the defending champions,having beaten IND both home and away. IND on the other hand, lost 5-0 the last time and lost at home. Top 7 batsmen from IND have played 169 Test matches together,ENG 312. Needless to compare the bowling experience, ENG frontline bowlers have 462 wickets from 182 Tests, Indian bowlers have 246 wickets from 79 matches.

    It is ENG who should be favorites and should do better. May be ENG drawing the Test was great. But regardless of the inexperience, Indian team fans would and they do consider this as an opportunity lost and thats a testament to their ambitions.

    Reverse swing was never India's greatest strength, its our neighbors who are the masters.

    It is not that ENG are handicapped with the pitch,having bowler friendly pitch,they know their batsmen would struggle as well..

  • ramli on July 15, 2014, 8:01 GMT

    No. India had just one outing in bowling and reduced Eng to 9-down by seamers capturing 8 wickets 1-2 sessions on either side of second new ball ... how can then Eng outplay India? It was the 10th wicket that eluded India, that too because of the presence of one top-order batsman ... if it had been two lower order batsmen like India did, it might have been different ... the bowling honours, if any, have been shared by two teams, at best

  • esarul on July 15, 2014, 7:57 GMT

    There always had been a lot of talks when India failed to produce a result in their favor in a test match abroad. There was no surprise this time. In the past 25 years or so I noticed this. Most of the cases our batsmen were the culprits.They failed measurably and lost very badly. For a change this time its our bowlers failed. I wont say they they bowled badly..all three front line seamers bowled really well but they could not make to the finishing line.Remember they reduced the hosts 202/7. All our crickets Pundits including the great Wasism , Kapil, Sanjay admitted that Ishant's spell was one of the best. What if India could get Anderson cheaply,,The Result would have been different. What amazed me was that MD Shami could not reverse the ball and Jadeja failed measurably to make a mark on pitch that suited him well..I guess Shami knows to reverse the ball with the SG ball only. Nevertheless the result is not too bad considering their previous results on foreign soil over the years..

  • thamboo on July 15, 2014, 7:30 GMT

    Let us wait and see how the Indian Batsmen fare against deliveries swinging right from first ball (forget about the English shining it to reverse); they have not learned well enough from Dravid and still keep poking at out side the off deliveries. All the Indian Bowlers should be fit to last the 5 tests, batsmen should be patient enough and understand the worth of their wicket. What is the point in attacking the spin bowler when you are not good enough to save your wicket? Shikhar and Vijay wasted their wicket. Dhoni not good enough for being a batsman at test level. Let us see whether Binny(if selected) swings out the English Batsmen to justify his selection.

  • Vijayendra on July 15, 2014, 7:28 GMT

    Mr. Monga, England outspun India in the Spin department in India itself with Swann and Monty. This time around Moeen Ali and Joe Root both part-time, average spinners outspun India.

  • GRVJPR on July 15, 2014, 7:24 GMT

    @ Srinivasan N. Iyer , I disagree with you that Vijay and dhawan threw their wickets. They were hittable balls. Two batsmen didn't slog or tried switch hit etc. People get out in test cricket. If anything it was english batsmen who threw their wickets away and not Indians.

  • GRVJPR on July 15, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    I must be watching different game then the author. Indian batsmen git out to a spinner and not Pacers of england. England pacer couldn't even remove inidian tailenders and a debut man. Meanwhile Indian pacers got English top order with ball reversing in.

  • on July 15, 2014, 7:10 GMT

    Srinivas, perhaps if we had had the DRS system? And as far as umpiring errors go, you'll have to stretch quite a bit to beat the howler perpetrated on Matt Prior.

  • on July 15, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    For obvious reasons. Anderson is a far more experienced bowler compared to any of the Indian bowlers plus he has bowled before in India. Similarly broad is also well experienced in these conditions. How would you expect our guys to perform on par with English bowlers? England always has an advantage in terms of knowing local conditions and having more experienced seamers. The real question has always been whether India's bowlers can take 20 wickets.

    On evidence of the pitch they do seem to have some potential to do that but I would still wait to determine if they really can bowl Eng out. Even in terms of batting Eng is more experienced - Bell, Cook and Prior have played more compared to top order in India. I would be very happy if India ends up winning one test / draws the series. The only way I see I see the series is more for England to lose rather than favoring India to win. It is simply the result of difference in bowling quality and home advantage.

  • sammysam on July 15, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    send India A out here for the remaining tests and let this team play the unofficial matches in Aus.

  • ladycricfan on July 15, 2014, 6:17 GMT

    Lords cricket ground is basking in sunshine at the moment. Forecast for the first two days of the test is sunny as well. Reverse swing will have a definite say in the match. Indians, better learn the art of caring the ball from the English players. Hope they read this article.

  • on July 15, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    It cannot be denied that we had some very glaring umpiring errors in this match. Root was clearly a LBW candidate when he was in the 70s. But what one cannot understand is instead of trying to bang in bumpers at Anderson, the bowlers couldnt bowl one yorker when he was standing behind in the crease with his bat raised. THat stand allowed by bad bowling and captaincy was clear. Also the manner i nwhich Shikar, Vijay and Pujara threw their wickets was atrocious.

  • on July 15, 2014, 6:03 GMT

    Now most celebrated Football( Soccer) has come to an end.Germany most deserved Team has taken the coveted cup over the seas from Latin America to Europe.

    Now let us forget football for the time being and come back to our most favorite game cricket.The world cup of Onedayer. Cricket is due next year in Australia& NewZealand. All cricket playing Nations have started preparations.the latest proof of it is the proposed retirement of our neighborMahela Jaywardene's decision to retire from Test cricket with a view to concentrating on Onedayer. India in England now,escaped unhurt from a most rare kind of test match in which the last wicket partnership in the first innings mattered a lot & resulted in fluctuations of Fortunes. Finally it was India staring at the horror of defeat but rescued by Stewart Binny the Batsman-cum- Bowler for India. The next test is due this Thursdaty for the final playing eleven will have to be decided. Aswin & Binny are must for a win.Just V.Kohli can be left.

  • ThePacifist10 on July 15, 2014, 6:02 GMT

    The author seems to have expected too much from this team: Shami bowled beautifully with the old ball and was too close to taking a wicket on multiple occasions. Bhuvi got his rewards and Ishant demonstrated more discipline than usual. We saw a bit of the old Ishant. Considering the new Indian pace attack had a really flat pitch that wasn't exactly conducive to conventional and reverse swing with the Duke ball, I'd say they maintained and used the old ball really well. These new guys were able to match Anderson and Broad, with bat and ball! They'll get better with experience. I think the author has made the wrong comparison between an experienced setup in their backyard and an inexperienced yet promising pace attack playing largely their first series in England. These boys will all get better with time. All of our players in the squad have so much talent and promise. They can only get better through experience. Remember, this new team started its journey in 2013! Still quite new.

  • niazbhi on July 15, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    India cannot drop Ishant.. he has been taking wickets in the last few tests.. Bhuvi is their best bowler as expected. Shami's test record is good/promising. Jadeja and Binny are two spots to play with. Jadeja's test batting is disappointing ( he averages less than half of his FC avg).He is fullfilling the left armers job really well. He did not get a wicket for a test. I would say keep Jadeja because he has the potential to be a great allrounder. Bring Ashwin or Pandey in for Binny. Ashwin is your best bowler. Even its not his kind of ground, he should get one or two tests to try his stuff.. Between three quicks india will have enough. As Anderson and Broad batted well, England should replace Stokes with a geniune bowler like Gurney?

  • Sayantann on July 15, 2014, 5:53 GMT

    Well, it's as true as daylight that english bowlers swung the old ball better than indians. However, having said that, It was also true that our seamers almost got England into the mat.It would interesting to see, whom does Dhoni go with in Lords. Shinning the ball properly is denitely something Indians should be looking to do if they are thrown into similar conditions. I think the momentum shifted when Indians couldn't dislodge Anderson who, with Root gone on to save the match for england. I think Indians bowled very few short deliveries and considering Anderson's (almost all tailender's actually) susceptibility against short ball, this was probabaly critical. Shami was a sheer disappointment as he pace was down to merely 120s when he's capable of clocking it well over 140s. So, more than reverse swing India would be looking to consolidate their bowling and picking up the right combination of bowlers might do the trick for them. May be, Aaron can be given a go instead of Shami..

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:43 GMT

    Shami is a good reverse swing bowler, but honestly he has been disappointing in his last couple of Test matches. His pace seemed down as well. He is just off rhythm.

  • Seamer_Singh on July 15, 2014, 5:35 GMT

    Batsman save matches but its the bowlers who win them. Until BCCI drill this statement in their brains permanently it's going to be a very long road for them.

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:34 GMT

    What sort of pitch are we expecting - dust bowls of India? India will struggle in those conditions as well. Remember 2012. England beat India in India. Need of the hour is out of the box thinking by the captain and quick learning by the batsmen and bowlers. Indian top order should have taken cue from Anderson and Root and not Zthrow away their wickets like inexperienced school boys. Binny the saviour in the first test may not be picked again to accommodate an additional batsman or bowler. Come on Dhoni and Kohli it's the time to be innovative and outsmart the POMS. Good Luck.

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:30 GMT

    Wow that headline is misleading. It was a draw with the tail enders batting averages the only winner. The author missed Tim Southee from the list of current proponents of reverse swing. He has been outstanding lately. What this series lacks is an attacking captain. As a test cricket fan I would like to see pitches that offer something for both bat and ball.

  • Night.angel on July 15, 2014, 5:27 GMT

    In my opinion, Dhoni's captaincy is pathetic to say at least. And he is can't don the role of No.6 batsmen in overseas conditions. At an average of 38 ( 48 @home and 25 @overseas), his not even our best wicket-keeping batsmen.

    Naman Ojha has scored 3 centuries on a trot in Australia against Aus A now. But Saha is the best bet. Saha is more matured and know his trade. He can bat defensively and aggressively at times as well.

    Dhoni need to go from test side. But in ODI he is the indisputable king. Kohli should be captain in IMO

    For future : Vijay, Dhawan, Pujare, Kohli (C), Rahane, Saha (WK), Ashwin/Rohit, Buvi, Shami, Ishant, Yadav/Aaron

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:19 GMT

    Reverse or no reverse. If our so called top level Indian bowlers can't get rid of the last wicket English partnership till they score a near double century partnership, then we might as well pack up and head back home. This is ridiculous.

  • truebleue_cricfan on July 15, 2014, 5:19 GMT

    What is Joe Dawes doing to this Indian bowling attack? Mohammed Shami came to the team looking very promising and swung beatifully and more importantly had impeccable lengths. Now he is just spraying everywhere and bowls the odd good ball occassionally. There is no reverse swing or yorkers. I am worried about the habits Indian bowlers seem to be developing uder Dawes.

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:18 GMT

    I am with u Arjun Calidas but if Aaron plays we don't know if he has enough stamina!!! Understand??? Jadeja should be replaced by Ashwin.

  • Night.angel on July 15, 2014, 5:17 GMT

    Even in this pitch, spinners are of no use, it was fast bowlers who took the bulk of the wickets. Then how come some people have a suggestion to play both Ashwin and Jadeja for the remainder of series? Neither of them has done anything overseas for a while now. And even Ojha has struggled to take wickets big time in the recently concluded IND A vs AUS A match. Those are of the opinion to take Ojha should've a look at that match stats.

    It just shows that in these conditions, u need four fast bowlers to succeed. Had Varun Aaron was playing instead of Jadeja, he would've knocked down the stumps of Anderson because of his express pace.

    Spinners are not going take any wicket without luck like Moeen Ali. So I would add a proper batsmen instead of Binny, that is sharma and select an outright express bowler in Aaron/ and let sharma don the role as Duminy doing for SA as a spinner.

    My team: Vijay, Dhawan, Pujara, kholi, Rohit, Rahane, Dhoni, Bhuvi, Shami, Ishant and Aaron.

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:15 GMT

    Arjun's comment is spot on. Ball doesn't reverse "by design", until a critical minimum speed, and correct positioning. If Indian selectors haven't seen enough of Ishant, he must have some real serious dirt on some BCCI official. How much his seam wobbles, is enough evidence to suggest, that he is the type that more often than not doesn't even know what's going to happen exactly with each delivery. Kumar might surprise people in typical seaming conditions, and for Shami it's too soon to judge, if he can reverse at will. Perfect batting conditions, careless batting from both top orders, and 5 day entrance chits for the host ground. The sums it up pretty much.

  • on July 15, 2014, 5:15 GMT

    A lefthander in the middle will be a better combination for next tests, may be Gambhir in place of Rahane??

  • crzcric on July 15, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    Here comes the ugly truth. Indian bowlers are not good at reverse swing.May be their batsmant dont' like face reverse swinging ball as well. Thats why they brought two new ball rule in to one day cricket. Reverse swinging is some thing important part missing in ODI 's too. It was great to see a fast bowler taking wicket from that. we really miss it. Cricket loosing its some of the important parts.so sad.

  • Cricfever_PM on July 15, 2014, 5:11 GMT

    We don't want Ishanth or Shami bowling at 120s as we tired of seeing them, ishanth takes 1 or 2 wickets at beginning and when it's required he is not taking tailenders wicket. Bowling at 120s will not give you reverse swing and you need to bowl more deliveries at the speed of 140+ and i am sure No indian bowlers will bowl consecutive three 140+ deliveries. Give Pankaj or Padey one chance rather then sticking with Ishanth.

  • on July 15, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    You have got to be kidding me.. 181 runs off a 10th wicket stand and you say Kohli and Rahane did not shine the ball well enough?? When are we goung to see that Ishant Sharma is not test quality bowler?? With him in the side bowling at 120s, we are expecting the ball to reverse and do what?? Shami was a bigger disappointment.. He did not even touch the 140s once.. Even if the ball went Irish, can you expect it to penetrate the defences of a batsman at those speeds?? This is the third game in 5 where our bowlers could not finish the job.. Dhoni needs to stop with Sharma and give Aaron a go.. Sharma took three wickets and we started with "is this the best spell by an Indian"?. Christ.. Are our expectations really that low??

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on July 15, 2014, 4:47 GMT

    Indian conditions and no turn and bounce for spinners? Did I miss something here? Oh well....

  • roversgate on July 15, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    @Santosh Singh: Shami has come into the side as an exponent of reverse swing. A lot of his successes are bowling reverse swing. The fact that he was unable to was quite disappointing.

    All in all, I dont agree with this article though. There was not nearly enough reverse on this pitch and seeing as England bowled twice, they were bound to be the ones to get full use of it. Had England batted on that last day and India failed to get the ball to reverse, that would have been an issue, but not right now. I still believe Shami should have got some reverse during that last wicket partnership but he clearly had an off match.

  • Lodhisingh on July 15, 2014, 4:12 GMT

    @class9ryan, you call that being superb? they gave the number 9 2 50s and the number 11 one 50 and let the team that has not crossed 300 in their last tour to england a 400 and a 300 in the same game.

  • on July 15, 2014, 4:07 GMT

    Sidharth Monga tries to capitalize on difference between ideal set-up and available set-up. Mr. Monga must know that reverse swing is not only geographical art but also individual art. A bowler learns it through experience.

    We know about Ishant Sharma. Less said better about the lad. I honestly don't know whether Indian selectors continue to invest in him because they have already invested so much or there is any other reason which I am unable to understand.

    Mr. Monga should look at how James Anderson has emerged on the scene over last 11 years (He has already played 95 test matches). No. I am not saying that we should wait till Ishant Sharma plays 90+ test matches but there is no point in cribbing about where we know that Indian selectors and Indian fans are staring to invest in existing bowling resources.

    Zaheer Khan knew how to reverse swing. I don't know any other Indian pacer (contemporary or after Zaheer Khan) who displayed this art in a test match.

  • class9ryan on July 15, 2014, 3:59 GMT

    A slow-low pitch, but where is the turn. English bowlers were superb giving the miserable conditions. I can assure this will be a long series for the Indian team.

  • CalvinTheCricLover on July 15, 2014, 3:53 GMT

    Mr. Monga, I think you are jumping too ahead. First these are not indian conditions, because there is absolutely no carry and the pitch wasn't turning even in the slightest. The three seamers of India are young and inexperienced unlike anderson. Only shami knows how to reverse swing really while Bhuvi hasnt mastered the art yet. Also I personally think Kohli and Rahane are doing fine, if you did pay any attention right when the ball did get old unfortunately at the same time Team India noticed that the ball was out of shape which meant that kohli and rahane had to get back to working on an old "NEW" ball again. However, once we had the option to take the new ball we took it because bhuvi made the new ball talk much better than any of the other quicks including Anderson on that pitch. HELLO! No wonder the ball didnt reverse swing.

  • Lodhisingh on July 15, 2014, 3:36 GMT

    Almost Indian conditions? no turn, no uneven bounce for the spinners, no deterioration of the pitch and no wickets for the Indian spinner and yet you call them Indian conditions?

  • Lodhisingh on July 15, 2014, 3:36 GMT

    Almost Indian conditions? no turn, no uneven bounce for the spinners, no deterioration of the pitch and no wickets for the Indian spinner and yet you call them Indian conditions?

  • CalvinTheCricLover on July 15, 2014, 3:53 GMT

    Mr. Monga, I think you are jumping too ahead. First these are not indian conditions, because there is absolutely no carry and the pitch wasn't turning even in the slightest. The three seamers of India are young and inexperienced unlike anderson. Only shami knows how to reverse swing really while Bhuvi hasnt mastered the art yet. Also I personally think Kohli and Rahane are doing fine, if you did pay any attention right when the ball did get old unfortunately at the same time Team India noticed that the ball was out of shape which meant that kohli and rahane had to get back to working on an old "NEW" ball again. However, once we had the option to take the new ball we took it because bhuvi made the new ball talk much better than any of the other quicks including Anderson on that pitch. HELLO! No wonder the ball didnt reverse swing.

  • class9ryan on July 15, 2014, 3:59 GMT

    A slow-low pitch, but where is the turn. English bowlers were superb giving the miserable conditions. I can assure this will be a long series for the Indian team.

  • on July 15, 2014, 4:07 GMT

    Sidharth Monga tries to capitalize on difference between ideal set-up and available set-up. Mr. Monga must know that reverse swing is not only geographical art but also individual art. A bowler learns it through experience.

    We know about Ishant Sharma. Less said better about the lad. I honestly don't know whether Indian selectors continue to invest in him because they have already invested so much or there is any other reason which I am unable to understand.

    Mr. Monga should look at how James Anderson has emerged on the scene over last 11 years (He has already played 95 test matches). No. I am not saying that we should wait till Ishant Sharma plays 90+ test matches but there is no point in cribbing about where we know that Indian selectors and Indian fans are staring to invest in existing bowling resources.

    Zaheer Khan knew how to reverse swing. I don't know any other Indian pacer (contemporary or after Zaheer Khan) who displayed this art in a test match.

  • Lodhisingh on July 15, 2014, 4:12 GMT

    @class9ryan, you call that being superb? they gave the number 9 2 50s and the number 11 one 50 and let the team that has not crossed 300 in their last tour to england a 400 and a 300 in the same game.

  • roversgate on July 15, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    @Santosh Singh: Shami has come into the side as an exponent of reverse swing. A lot of his successes are bowling reverse swing. The fact that he was unable to was quite disappointing.

    All in all, I dont agree with this article though. There was not nearly enough reverse on this pitch and seeing as England bowled twice, they were bound to be the ones to get full use of it. Had England batted on that last day and India failed to get the ball to reverse, that would have been an issue, but not right now. I still believe Shami should have got some reverse during that last wicket partnership but he clearly had an off match.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on July 15, 2014, 4:47 GMT

    Indian conditions and no turn and bounce for spinners? Did I miss something here? Oh well....

  • on July 15, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    You have got to be kidding me.. 181 runs off a 10th wicket stand and you say Kohli and Rahane did not shine the ball well enough?? When are we goung to see that Ishant Sharma is not test quality bowler?? With him in the side bowling at 120s, we are expecting the ball to reverse and do what?? Shami was a bigger disappointment.. He did not even touch the 140s once.. Even if the ball went Irish, can you expect it to penetrate the defences of a batsman at those speeds?? This is the third game in 5 where our bowlers could not finish the job.. Dhoni needs to stop with Sharma and give Aaron a go.. Sharma took three wickets and we started with "is this the best spell by an Indian"?. Christ.. Are our expectations really that low??

  • Cricfever_PM on July 15, 2014, 5:11 GMT

    We don't want Ishanth or Shami bowling at 120s as we tired of seeing them, ishanth takes 1 or 2 wickets at beginning and when it's required he is not taking tailenders wicket. Bowling at 120s will not give you reverse swing and you need to bowl more deliveries at the speed of 140+ and i am sure No indian bowlers will bowl consecutive three 140+ deliveries. Give Pankaj or Padey one chance rather then sticking with Ishanth.

  • crzcric on July 15, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    Here comes the ugly truth. Indian bowlers are not good at reverse swing.May be their batsmant dont' like face reverse swinging ball as well. Thats why they brought two new ball rule in to one day cricket. Reverse swinging is some thing important part missing in ODI 's too. It was great to see a fast bowler taking wicket from that. we really miss it. Cricket loosing its some of the important parts.so sad.