England v India, 4th Investec Test, Old Trafford, 3rd day August 9, 2014

England's ten men hand India innings defeat

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England 367 (Root 77, Buttler 70, Bell 58) beat India 152 (Dhoni 71, Broad 6-25) and 161 (Ashwin 46*, Moeen 4-39) by an innings and 54 runs
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Hurricane Bertha? From England's point of view, she can do her worst now. India were blown away before the dreadful forecast for Sunday could play any part in the fourth Test. A woeful batting display on the third afternoon, significantly worse than their opening-day effort because conditions were not as taxing, meant India subsided to 161 and handed England victory by an innings and 54 runs despite Stuart Broad being in hospital with a suspected broken nose and an ill James Anderson.

Given the way one corner of the Old Trafford outfield could not cope with the downpour yesterday, it was not beyond the realms of possibility that the final day could have been in doubt if the rain on Sunday had proved as bad as predicted. India made all the conjecture irrelevant with a performance that lacked stomach, fight and basic common sense: some shots, such as MS Dhoni's swipe to midwicket, and the run-out of Bhuvneshwar Kumar suggested they were not even interested in trying to see if the weather could aid them. "We were not up to the mark," Dhoni said at the presentation.

India lost nine wickets after tea, including one period of 5 for 13 in 29 balls, and it was not the swing, seam and pace that caused most havoc. Instead, Moeen Ali twirled and spun his way to 4 for 39, taking his series tally to 19, just when it appeared that England's firepower could have been crucially diminished.

England were able to secure a three-day victory - their first over India since 1967 at Edgbaston - without the services of Broad in India's second innings, after he had been forced to retire hurt after a blow to the face from a Varun Aaron bouncer which squeezed between his grille and helmet. Blood dripped onto the pitch as he was quickly attended by the physio, although it is debatable whether Broad or India's batsmen will leave Old Trafford with the more significant scars.

It took a little longer for India's collapse to set in than the first innings - Chris Woakes claimed his first wicket of the series when he trapped M Vijay lbw before tea, before Gautam Gambhir and Cheteshwar Pujara reached 53 for 1 - but their demise to 66 for 6 was in many ways more extraordinary given England were a bowler down, the sun was out and the early new ball had been weathered.

Anderson, battling what Alastair Cook termed the "lurgy", removed Gambhir with a short delivery - far from the most vicious of the match - which was gloved through to the keeper, then to the first ball of the next over Pujara was given lbw against Moeen as he pressed forward. It was a large stride and Hawk Eye said the ball had turned enough to slip down the leg side. The fact Moeen was turning the ball considerably, and often, would soon come into play again.

Ajinkya Rahane, however, was done in less by the turn but more by one of the loosest shots he has played in the series - driving a low return catch to Moeen who moved smartly to his right. England, who could not help but be aware of the forecast regardless of how little regard cricketers say they give it, could barely believe the gifts being handed out.

For a moment, the carnage returned to pace; there was a familiar outcome to the Anderson v Virat Kohli battle. Kohli had indicated he wanted to hit his way out of trouble but could only provide another edge to Anderson - this time an inswinger rather than the outswinger - which found its way to second slip. The challenge of a rare five-Test series is finding out a few of the India top order. It will require a searching examination for the likes of Kohli to lift themselves for the final Test next week.

Whether Ravindra Jadeja, who has been a focal point in the series for a variety of reasons, plays in the final game is another matter. His off-the-mark shot, advancing down the pitch at Anderson and swiping a short ball through midwicket, suggested he was there for a good time, not a long time - it also prompted a little sarcastic clap, even a smile, from the under-the-weather Anderson. Next over, Jadeja completed a miserable match with the bat, to follow two middling scores at the Ageas Bowl, when he lunged at Moeen and edged to slip.

By now Anderson had left the field. Surely Dhoni would at least try to take the game deeper? After the Ageas Bowl, he had said the Indian batsmen had been too deferential to Moeen and should attack him more. He followed his own words with deeds, but his heave into the leg side could not beat a diving Gary Ballance at midwicket.

It was now all-but inevitable that England would wrap the game up in the evening. There was momentary frustration when Jordan, who massaged his figures with the final two wickets, overstepped when Bhuvneshwar edged to second slip but another freebie was handed to England when Bhuvneshwar tried to come back for a second and could not beat Moeen's arm - just the speed of the throw this time, rather than the spin.

R Ashwin continued to look as proficient as any of India's batsmen in this match, driving and cutting as Jordan strived for the final wickets, but an excellent piece of fielding at deep square-leg by the substitute Liam Livingstone, a young Lancashire player, meant Jordan had two balls at Aaron. One was enough for the No. 10, a short delivery gloved behind, and one more enough to end the match as a yorker defeated Pankaj Singh, who had at least managed to end a 69-over wait for his maiden Test wicket when he earlier removed Joe Root.

Such was the rapid conclusion, it was easy to forget England began on 237 for 6 - a lead of 85 - with a need to be positive and keep the game moving. Root and Jos Buttler, after waiting for the new ball, performed that role perfectly to take their stand to 134 as both reached half-centuries. It was an occasion when a Yorkshireman, Root, was getting warm applause at Old Trafford and the crowd also had much to enjoy from one of their own - or at least an adopted son - as Buttler picked up his second fifty in two Test innings, but this one helped to define a Test victory.

However, as much as the crowd cheered the young batting pair, there was equal appreciation when Pankaj found Root's glove down the leg side and Marais Erasmus' finger went up to finally give him a Test average. Buttler was soon his second scalp, driving a slower ball to mid-off, by which time thoughts were firmly turning to what would happen when England took the ball again.

Those plans appeared to have suffered a significant setback when Broad, having pulled consecutive sixes off Aaron, was pinned in the face the next delivery and walked off the field bloodied and dazed. As it was, he had not returned from hospital in time to collect his Man-of-the-Match award.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • raviscreen on August 10, 2014, 1:06 GMT

    With this defeat, it is becoming clear that the Indian batsmen are unable to concentrate long at the crease after spending long hours in the field. Basically, the batsmen and bowlers are not mutually complimenting the efforts. If the batsmen do well, then, the bowlers fail and vice versa. And when, both clicked, India won. The England batsmen don't look as menacing as they were in 2011 and the Indian bowlers look more effective than in 2011. So, the clear gap is in the batting department. DROP JADEJA, bring back Ishant. Swap batting positions of Ajinkya Rahane and Gautham Gambhir.

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 19:34 GMT

    Brilliant effort from England and a thoroughly deserved win. I didn't expect England to bowl out India so quickly second time around, especially without Broad, but it looks like I was pleasantly surprised.

    People shouldn't be too hasty in their praise of England and condemnation of India. The turn around this series has been remarkable. At Lord's England were dreadful and India excellent. The reverse has happened.

    India's batsmen have all scored runs recently in test cricket in foreign countries. They can do it. They are lacking confidence I think. India's bowlers have done well but have been let down by their fielders especially, as well as certain batsmen.

    England still have some concerns. Woakes and Jordan improved but are still concerns. Woakes no wickets, Jordan went at 5 an over second innings. Robson and Ali are concerns with the bat. Cook a concern as captain and batsman.

    But we are 2-1 up. Keep it going please.

  • jmcilhinney on August 9, 2014, 19:10 GMT

    It was pleasing to see Buttler's performance for large chunks of this game too. he rode his luck again and might have gone more cheaply against a team playing better than India are right now but he looked composed and played some really nice shots. It was also nice to see him play what you'd consider a real Test innings, with attack and defence used at appropriate times. His keeping looked much better in the second innings too. Even with his having fumbled a few and dropped a catch in the first innings, he may not have been the worst keeper in the game. Dhoni had a bit of a shocker himself, especially having missed a simple run out against Buttler. I wonder whether the bounce in the pitch made life difficult for both keepers. That's more excusable in Dhoni, given that this is now Buttler's home ground. One wonders how he might go when he has to spend a long time in the field but, again, there seems plenty to be optimistic about.

  • somary on August 13, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    There is no foot movement, either front or back, from batsman 1 to 6. See how Ashwin plays and gets run a ball. Just go back to Mohinder Amarnath posture; his guard will be leg stump and right shoulder will be looking at the bowler.He will have lot of time to play the in-coming delivery and judge the out-swingers to be left out. That leg guard stance will help him to hook and terrorise the bowler. (Same way Ashwin plays). Why our players, including short tempered Kohli fail to take a leaf out of Mohinder's? Watch his videos!!! Why we persist with Duncan? Give 2 years stint to Mohinder as coach, see the result? Try with this XI for 5th test: Vijay, Rohit, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli,Naman Ohja, Dhoni, Ashwin, Kumar, Aaron, Ishant (if fit)/Ishwar Pandey. we miss P.Ohja for Jadeja.We missed DRS also. Dhoni should take harsh decisions;if Ganguly had not taken hard decisions on- field,India wld not hv risen in cricket. Our players shld learn from opposition not to be too 'stylish' in approach.

  • on August 13, 2014, 9:22 GMT

    INDIA have been outplayed by ENGLAND by in all departments in the last TWO TESTS.....

    The only positives for INDIA is: 1. LIAM PLUNKETT has played FOUR TESTS this summer and has not won a single match for ENGLAND 2. Chris Jordan, Chris Woakes and Ben Stokes have not warranted selection for England, nor have they looked threatening with bat or ball; yet ENGLAND could afford to carry them in the XI 3. The poor form of Matt Prior behind the stumps which handed a LORDS WIN for INDIA

    My XIs for The Oval (London): INDIA: 1. Gambhir 2. Vijay 3. Rahane 4. Pujara 5. Kohli 6. Dhoni (c&wk) 7. Jadeja 8. Ashwin 9. B Kumar 10. V Aaron 11. I Sharma ENGLAND: 1. Cook(c) 2. Robson 3. Ballance 4. Bell 5. Root 6. MM Ali 7. Buttler (wk) 8. Stokes 9. Woakes 10. Finn 11. Anderson

    Rahane and Vijay have been INDIA's best batsmen in the SERIES so they should bat in the TOP THREE, which will allow some respite for Kohli and Pujara to come in later make an impact.

    Finn and Stokes to replace Broad and Jordan.

  • Alberteinstien on August 12, 2014, 9:59 GMT

    How about this team ashwin,Vijay,pujara,Jadhav,rahane,naman ohja,Akshar Patel,Abhishek nayar,Bhuvi,Praveen Kumar,Aaron.Two swing bowler,one pace bowler,two batting allrounder(ashwin and akshar),one genuine All-rounder (Abhishek) and five specialist batsman.

  • Sourav1183 on August 12, 2014, 9:10 GMT

    So called the indian team captain mr. cool dhoni u has to go with immediately. U r not a good captain, nor a good W keeper, nor a test batsman i have not seen a worst batting technique in test cricket history than yours. Even some of the tail enders having a better technique than you. U won the Lords test but that is a fluke win. Out of the blue your premier (test crikets worst ) bowler got(gift given by the england batters) the wickets. U deserved the 5-0 trashing but england is in re-building process so u escaped that. Sri Lanks is very small island they have the quality of players were they perform better than your team. U r the worst player that indian test team has. U selecting Jaddu again & again where he is not a test match bowler or a test level batsman he is bits & pieces player. suits only for T20s not a test cricket. Indian board is sucking for their own fault of not including the DRS in the series. i cant imagine your team gets the trash in the hands of Mitch & Co.

  • Welay-White-Water on August 12, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    Salute England...........................

  • GOSMGR2 on August 11, 2014, 20:44 GMT

    Not many positives to take out of this performance I'm afraid for India. Aaron and Pankaj show potential and will develop into decent performers at this level and Ashwin batted beautifully.Kumar was solid as usual. I thought that there were signs at Southampton that Kohli was on the verge of a significant innings, so it was hugely disappointing to see him fail here.I'm not sure what Gambhir provides that makes him more valuable than Dhawan who I think is a better cricketer.Vijay was due a poor match, he doesn't owe India anything.At the Oval I think Sharma should replace Jadeja. Sharma is key for India: his injury has severely weakened them.You have to give credit to England for improving their first innings totals this summer and Ballance and Root have been the main drivers of this .Chris Jordan bowled a lot better in this match, particularly in the first innings. I would have loved to see Finn bowl on this track though.Promising signs for England-stiffer tests to come undoubtedly.

  • on August 11, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    Record 6 ducks in one session. Do you have ever seen as this? what a shame to India?

  • raviscreen on August 10, 2014, 1:06 GMT

    With this defeat, it is becoming clear that the Indian batsmen are unable to concentrate long at the crease after spending long hours in the field. Basically, the batsmen and bowlers are not mutually complimenting the efforts. If the batsmen do well, then, the bowlers fail and vice versa. And when, both clicked, India won. The England batsmen don't look as menacing as they were in 2011 and the Indian bowlers look more effective than in 2011. So, the clear gap is in the batting department. DROP JADEJA, bring back Ishant. Swap batting positions of Ajinkya Rahane and Gautham Gambhir.

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 19:34 GMT

    Brilliant effort from England and a thoroughly deserved win. I didn't expect England to bowl out India so quickly second time around, especially without Broad, but it looks like I was pleasantly surprised.

    People shouldn't be too hasty in their praise of England and condemnation of India. The turn around this series has been remarkable. At Lord's England were dreadful and India excellent. The reverse has happened.

    India's batsmen have all scored runs recently in test cricket in foreign countries. They can do it. They are lacking confidence I think. India's bowlers have done well but have been let down by their fielders especially, as well as certain batsmen.

    England still have some concerns. Woakes and Jordan improved but are still concerns. Woakes no wickets, Jordan went at 5 an over second innings. Robson and Ali are concerns with the bat. Cook a concern as captain and batsman.

    But we are 2-1 up. Keep it going please.

  • jmcilhinney on August 9, 2014, 19:10 GMT

    It was pleasing to see Buttler's performance for large chunks of this game too. he rode his luck again and might have gone more cheaply against a team playing better than India are right now but he looked composed and played some really nice shots. It was also nice to see him play what you'd consider a real Test innings, with attack and defence used at appropriate times. His keeping looked much better in the second innings too. Even with his having fumbled a few and dropped a catch in the first innings, he may not have been the worst keeper in the game. Dhoni had a bit of a shocker himself, especially having missed a simple run out against Buttler. I wonder whether the bounce in the pitch made life difficult for both keepers. That's more excusable in Dhoni, given that this is now Buttler's home ground. One wonders how he might go when he has to spend a long time in the field but, again, there seems plenty to be optimistic about.

  • somary on August 13, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    There is no foot movement, either front or back, from batsman 1 to 6. See how Ashwin plays and gets run a ball. Just go back to Mohinder Amarnath posture; his guard will be leg stump and right shoulder will be looking at the bowler.He will have lot of time to play the in-coming delivery and judge the out-swingers to be left out. That leg guard stance will help him to hook and terrorise the bowler. (Same way Ashwin plays). Why our players, including short tempered Kohli fail to take a leaf out of Mohinder's? Watch his videos!!! Why we persist with Duncan? Give 2 years stint to Mohinder as coach, see the result? Try with this XI for 5th test: Vijay, Rohit, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli,Naman Ohja, Dhoni, Ashwin, Kumar, Aaron, Ishant (if fit)/Ishwar Pandey. we miss P.Ohja for Jadeja.We missed DRS also. Dhoni should take harsh decisions;if Ganguly had not taken hard decisions on- field,India wld not hv risen in cricket. Our players shld learn from opposition not to be too 'stylish' in approach.

  • on August 13, 2014, 9:22 GMT

    INDIA have been outplayed by ENGLAND by in all departments in the last TWO TESTS.....

    The only positives for INDIA is: 1. LIAM PLUNKETT has played FOUR TESTS this summer and has not won a single match for ENGLAND 2. Chris Jordan, Chris Woakes and Ben Stokes have not warranted selection for England, nor have they looked threatening with bat or ball; yet ENGLAND could afford to carry them in the XI 3. The poor form of Matt Prior behind the stumps which handed a LORDS WIN for INDIA

    My XIs for The Oval (London): INDIA: 1. Gambhir 2. Vijay 3. Rahane 4. Pujara 5. Kohli 6. Dhoni (c&wk) 7. Jadeja 8. Ashwin 9. B Kumar 10. V Aaron 11. I Sharma ENGLAND: 1. Cook(c) 2. Robson 3. Ballance 4. Bell 5. Root 6. MM Ali 7. Buttler (wk) 8. Stokes 9. Woakes 10. Finn 11. Anderson

    Rahane and Vijay have been INDIA's best batsmen in the SERIES so they should bat in the TOP THREE, which will allow some respite for Kohli and Pujara to come in later make an impact.

    Finn and Stokes to replace Broad and Jordan.

  • Alberteinstien on August 12, 2014, 9:59 GMT

    How about this team ashwin,Vijay,pujara,Jadhav,rahane,naman ohja,Akshar Patel,Abhishek nayar,Bhuvi,Praveen Kumar,Aaron.Two swing bowler,one pace bowler,two batting allrounder(ashwin and akshar),one genuine All-rounder (Abhishek) and five specialist batsman.

  • Sourav1183 on August 12, 2014, 9:10 GMT

    So called the indian team captain mr. cool dhoni u has to go with immediately. U r not a good captain, nor a good W keeper, nor a test batsman i have not seen a worst batting technique in test cricket history than yours. Even some of the tail enders having a better technique than you. U won the Lords test but that is a fluke win. Out of the blue your premier (test crikets worst ) bowler got(gift given by the england batters) the wickets. U deserved the 5-0 trashing but england is in re-building process so u escaped that. Sri Lanks is very small island they have the quality of players were they perform better than your team. U r the worst player that indian test team has. U selecting Jaddu again & again where he is not a test match bowler or a test level batsman he is bits & pieces player. suits only for T20s not a test cricket. Indian board is sucking for their own fault of not including the DRS in the series. i cant imagine your team gets the trash in the hands of Mitch & Co.

  • Welay-White-Water on August 12, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    Salute England...........................

  • GOSMGR2 on August 11, 2014, 20:44 GMT

    Not many positives to take out of this performance I'm afraid for India. Aaron and Pankaj show potential and will develop into decent performers at this level and Ashwin batted beautifully.Kumar was solid as usual. I thought that there were signs at Southampton that Kohli was on the verge of a significant innings, so it was hugely disappointing to see him fail here.I'm not sure what Gambhir provides that makes him more valuable than Dhawan who I think is a better cricketer.Vijay was due a poor match, he doesn't owe India anything.At the Oval I think Sharma should replace Jadeja. Sharma is key for India: his injury has severely weakened them.You have to give credit to England for improving their first innings totals this summer and Ballance and Root have been the main drivers of this .Chris Jordan bowled a lot better in this match, particularly in the first innings. I would have loved to see Finn bowl on this track though.Promising signs for England-stiffer tests to come undoubtedly.

  • on August 11, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    Record 6 ducks in one session. Do you have ever seen as this? what a shame to India?

  • sudhindranath on August 11, 2014, 14:25 GMT

    @Mohammad Faruque : Yes, I agree. These are T20-like scores, if we adjust for the fact that there are (a) no field restrictions, (b) no overs limit on individual bowlers, (c) no short boundaries, and (d) the occasional realization on the part of the batsmen that this is actually a Test match!

    If we make those adjustments, then the 150 or 160 in 20 overs becomes 150 or 160 in 40-50 overs! That is EXACTLY what the Indian team scores were in this Test match!

  • VipinGangwar on August 11, 2014, 14:01 GMT

    Who is more lucky ?

    A) Fletcher B) Rohit Sharma

  • sudhindranath on August 11, 2014, 13:46 GMT

    Re: IPL and India, even though there are players from other countries who have turned out to be top-class Test players, their participation is on an individual level. Their country as a whole doesn't follow every ball of every match and doesn't turn them into heroes just because of a lucky game or a lucky season.

    So, for those players, once the IPL is over, it is really over for the next 10 months. Out of sight, out of mind. But it is different for Indian players, whether they are in an IPL team already, or are looking to get selected for an IPL team the next season. A large part of their preparation and practice will be geared towards the next IPL. As a result, batsmen will focus on how to hit every ball out of the ground. Which is the very opposite of what a Test team needs. And bowlers will focus on not getting hit, rather than try to take wickets. Which is also the very opposite of what a Test team needs!

  • IndianSRTfan on August 11, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    India have been out-batted, outbowled, out-fielded, and more importantly have been out-thought at every stage, and as a result, have lost as comprehensively as possible. England have put a lot of thought behind their strategies and are playing with clear heads whereas Indians have muddled up their thought process and as a result they seem to have no direction. The Coach, support staff, and the Captain as much as the players have a lot to answer for.

    But the Sky hasn't fallen in. Current batting lineup for India has the best batsmen we have in India. So there isn't any scope for chopping and changing. Both Pujara and Kohli need a couple of gritty innings to regain their confidence. Bowling attack includes too many holding bowlers and too few strike bowlers.

    Better slip fielding, Ashwin bowling a lot of overs of stock off spin as the main spinner to give better rest to fast bowlers, circumspect batting, and most importantly hunger and desperation to win, is what India need at the Oval.

  • SaeedKhanNiazi on August 11, 2014, 11:34 GMT

    Many things for India to consider. But first, give Kohli another test series to evaluate his performance. Reason being, this is the first time I have seen him so inconsistent. Falling prey to the same form of delivery and same bowler numerous times is just awful to see. But he must be given one more series to finalize the idea if he should have a place in a test team for India. Second, Ashwin, overall, is more of a valuable asset than many any spinner India has. This is my opinion. Although India has quite a few good spinners, Ashwin's contribution is worth noting. Finally, this test match was a disaster for India, in every sense of the word. Losing someone like Ishant was a blow, but than again he should have been compensated in the same fashion Moeen did for Broad, in the second innings. Let's what we have in store in the upcoming matches.

  • on August 11, 2014, 11:09 GMT

    T20 score in the Test Match, Heavily influenced by the IPL.

  • anver777 on August 11, 2014, 9:59 GMT

    As i commented before "if Cook is among runs Eng will start winning" slowly but steadily ENG is coming back to the winning track again.... courtesy of Cook's good form & IND's poor show in the last test !!!!

  • Samdanh on August 11, 2014, 9:30 GMT

    England were lucky that India shot itself in the foot in their second innings; especially given that Broad could not have bowled in India's second innings, Anderson was ailing, and Jordan and Woakes bowling mostly half trackers than full, excepting Moeen bowling well. So, England have a lot of work to do to set their bowling right.It is dangerous to go into a Test, which could be the decider, with just 2.5 Test class bowlers. I was a bit frustrated to see Jordan and Woakes continuing to bowl short and wide and going for plenty with India going from 70/6 to 110 or something around that within 2-3 overs, until Moeen picked the wicket of Dhoni. England have to bring in Finn in place of Jordan and all of their fast bowlers in XI should be made to bowl at a fuller length and have the short ball stuff to a minimum, if they were to succeed in and maintain pressure on India in the Oval

  • VipinGangwar on August 11, 2014, 8:50 GMT

    This test match proved that the wind in Lords was a fluke. As simple as that. This Indian team can draw test matches when they play their best and can win only if there is a miracle (spell from Ishant and innings from Rahane). Their bowlers, fielders and batters can play collectively. There is always an hole where the games got slipped.

    Jadeja's lost it when he dropped Cook.

    Most surprising of them all: Is there any coach in the world who had ever got as much chance as Duncan Fletcher? and he is still retained til world cup. Would any Indian coach do worst than him. So why is he being paid highly? Micky Arthur was fired after just a single debacle in India.

  • JG2704 on August 11, 2014, 8:45 GMT

    @thozar on (August 11, 2014, 4:07 GMT) What have Australian batsmen got to do with the argument re Kohli and ABDV? You surely must admit that it was a pretty needless remark to say Kohli is better than ABDV and very poorly timed considering the form Kohli is in. I know Kohli is a class batsman and he will regain his form and become a nightmare to bowl at again but the guy is one who is always going on about having to prove yourself away from home and yet Kohli is doing the opposite right now. As I said a class operator who has done ok away from home before so no doubts there on that front as far as I'm concerned

  • JG2704 on August 11, 2014, 8:44 GMT

    @gavinfrank on (August 11, 2014, 6:22 GMT) Agree that IPL is too big to even consider tampering with.

    However I still wonder is a select group of test players may do well to play some domestic cricket in places like Eng/Aus and SA and be compensated by the BCCI for doing so? If this was just a one off tour where India lose (and I know they've not lost) then fair enough but there seems to be a growing trait. For all the flair I wonder if they have what it takes for long test series

  • on August 11, 2014, 8:00 GMT

    harbhajan & pragyan ojha are the two best indian spinners-- you have to accomodate these two in the test team-- spinners ashwin & jadeja can be accomodated in ODI & t20 teams-- if this policy is fallowed, india can win tests,ODI & t20 matches.

  • gavinfrank on August 11, 2014, 6:22 GMT

    funny to see so many ppl comment on IPL as one of the reasons for this debacle. Listen up ppl , before you point fingers , look at the reason why IPL is a success. It is because of fans like you and me and the milliions in India that go religiously to watch every ipl game. Its simple .....no fans ...no money...no IPL. Now thats not rocket science ppl.I dont know why we cannot have separate teams for test and separate for limited overs. Why cant we select players like rishi dhawan, samson, jadhav, umesh yadav, akshar patel,etc for limited overs. There is too much cricket being played and no harm in sharing the workload. As it is , with only 11 spaces up for grabs a lot of these players are going to miss out. Players that do well in t20 and Odi can then be promoted up to test level if they have the temperament. I definitely think Dhoni is past his prime as a test captain. He should retire and focus only on limited overs cricket.

  • JustIPL on August 11, 2014, 5:17 GMT

    England are made look good by faltering india despite the fact that england have improved after the exit of big 3 players. SL ensured they don't allow english team to come to form but facing india has made england look stronger. England have to prove themselves against Aus/SA and this performance at home against spineless indian team is no reliable parameter of measuring english team strength. On the other hand only reliable players in indian team seam to be dhoni, bhuvi and ashwin. Dhoni can handover his gloves to another youngster and captaincy to either ashwin or bhuvi. Dhoni has to continue as a batsmen after the fab4 era. A bowling all rounder like I mentioned will be required as indian batting is under tremendous pressure and no batting captain can survive long. A bowling captain will plan about taking 20 wickets and in the meantime batsmen can stand up. Give this indian team to any captain and he will lose and you give the aussie champs team of warne, mcgrath, etc. to any captai

  • _-Will-_ on August 11, 2014, 4:51 GMT

    @whirlaway on (August 10, 2014, 17:24 GMT): I agree with your statements about many Indian fans, their unhesitating veneration of IPL antics and incongruous conclusions that a singular, slap-dash IPL knock warrants test selection. Unfortunately, this flawed logic is actually being applied to our squad selection - Stuart Binny is a classic example. His FC record does not inspire confidence yet he was selected for a challenging five test tour. I can't help but suspect his inclusion was based on his 6-for on a juiced up green top against a struggling Bangladesh side. Not IPL but nothing whatsoever to do with test cricket.

    But the IPL doesn't necessarily prevent aspiring test players from taking initiative to develop the fundamentals vital to success in test cricket. I still think players have a choice, despite the lures and trinkets being dangled in front of them. They must decide whether they want to be entertainers or sportsmen and act accordingly. Big ask, yes, but there is a choice.

  • on August 11, 2014, 4:36 GMT

    Jadeja is becoming a Scape Goat. If he is dropped and Ishant comes in or any other bowler that will not solve the problem. Why not drop Kohli/Pujara and give a chance to in-form Ojha or try with Rohit?. Indian cricket suffers due to blind backing of Big Names! Jadeja was instrumental in the win at Lords'. Iam not supporting Jadeja's "all-rounder" tag in the team. All the stake-holders of Indian Cricket are to be blamed for this debacle from Selectors to fans!. Dhoni's captaincy decisions are baffling added to Fletcher's contrbution!. Indian Team is missing Kirsten more than Tendulkar, Dravid , Laxman or a Zaheer!.

  • Karthik_Jay_Cricket on August 11, 2014, 4:24 GMT

    I am wondering what happen to Dhawan. He plays like scared person without any confidence. Once this happen will affect the whole team confidence. I saw him scored run only when he played with confidence. He is loosing this every game and the result we are seeing. Openers are the fundamental issue of indian team . Unless this is changed we will not win games.

  • Chris_P on August 11, 2014, 4:22 GMT

    @thozarHe is ok, but he isn't fit to tie up AB's bootlaces IMHO and history confirms that. No one averaging 38 in away tests is anything special, no one.

  • Karthik_Jay_Cricket on August 11, 2014, 4:16 GMT

    winning & loosing is like 2 sides of coin,win no questions, but when loose how badly & the efforts put by the player ( it is OK if tried their best and still loose). This Indian team has no clue about the batting ). I hate to see them going in the ground with hero like styles . They should feel ashamed batting like this and loosing without any fight which make every fans of indian cricket very angry

  • Karthik_Jay_Cricket on August 11, 2014, 4:10 GMT

    Highly paid players irresponsible play. The coach has no answer to repeated mistakes of batsmen.

  • thozar on August 11, 2014, 4:07 GMT

    @Chris_P, who says Indians dont rate Kohli highly? Sure some fans are fickle but they dont represent all Indian fans. We still believe in Kohli and we still think that he is the best strokemaker in the world. He is just going through a poor run something that happens to every batsman. For crying out loud, he is not a slogger like David Warner or those other Oz batsmen. Every other team would love to have a player like him. Maybe not in his current form but remember form is temporary, class is permanent

  • thozar on August 11, 2014, 3:58 GMT

    @Greatest_Game, please explain this as somehow I am unable to get this through. India have won 5 games and lost 5 at home to SA. How does this give a win/loss *ratio* of zero? My simpleton brain tells me the W/L ratio is 1. It would have been zero had we won 0 and lost more than 0.

    Kirsten was a good coach but to say he alone was the reason for our success is preposterous. The reason for India's success was a core team (in all formats) that were at the peak of their powers. The test team had Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhoni, Kumble, Harbhajan, Zaheer and others. The ODI team had Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Kohli, Raina, Zaheer, and Bhaji. Let Kirsten coach Zim to success and we will talk. India was lucky to be coached by Kirsten but Kirsten was lucky to coach *that* Indian team too.

    cricinfo please publish this comment.

  • Greatest_Game on August 11, 2014, 0:53 GMT

    @ thozar. RE your comments about South Africa, please consider these salient facts:

    1. In India, at home, where you say all teams win, India does NOT have a test match winning record against South Africa. Of 12 tests, each team has won 5, with 2 drawn. India's home Win/Loss ratio vs SA is zero! (In SA, India have won 2 tests, & SA have won 8, a W/L ratio of 4!)

    2. Historically, India has a losing test record of 122 won, 153 lost, a W/L of 0.79. However, this century India has been winning: from 2000 to 1 March 2008, India won 32, lost 24, a W/L of 1.33.

    Then for 3 years - March 2008 to April 2011 - India roared with numerous short format successes, including a World Cup win, 16 test wins to 6 losses - W/L 2.66, & were ranked test no. 1. (The only home test losses were to South Africa!)

    After April 2011 India crashed, with 13 tests won to 14 lost, W/L 0.92. Why?

    From March 2008 to April 2011 India was coached by South Africa's Gary Kirsten & Paddy Upton! Coincidence?

  • Al_Bundy1 on August 11, 2014, 0:40 GMT

    India's batsmen are flat track bullies. It's time to kick Pujara and Kohli out of the team. They have played 4 tests do far, and they are yet to score a single 50. Evene a tailender like Shami Ahmed has a 50 to his name in this series.

  • Nuwan_Lorensuhewa on August 11, 2014, 0:14 GMT

    @HDG1978 "I believe Sanga and Mahela are not in the class of Sachin and Dravid" mate that's what you think. The follwoing are the statistics. ****SACHIN VS SANGA ****** (Updated 10.07.2014) CAREER TEST AVERAGE - Sanga 58.63 Sachin 53.78 Test rankings - Sanga 938 Sachin 898 TEST CENTURIES - Sanga in every 5.97 inns (213 inns / 37 centuries = 5.91 inns) Sachin only in every 6.45 inns (329 inns /51 centuries = 6.45 inns) DOUBLE CENTURIES - Sanga in every 23.22 inns (213 inns / 9 = 23.66 inns) Sachin only in every 54.83 inns (329 inns / 6 = 54.83 inns) 50+ SCORES (CENTURIES + FIFTIES) Sanga every 2.53 inns (213/84) But Sachin every 2.76 inns (329/119) HIGHEST TEST SCORE BY MATCH INNS NUMBER - 1st inns - Sanga 319 Sachin 241 2nd inns - Sanga 287 Sachin 248 3rd inns - Sanga 211 Sachin 176 4th inns - Sanga 192 Sachin 136 AVERAGE BY MATCH INNING NUMBER - 4th INNS- Sanga 44.64 Sachin 36.93 3rd INNS - Sanga 58.53 Sachin 46.81 2nd INNS Sanga 64.20 Sachin 55.26 1st INNS - Sanga 57.00 Sachic

  • Prakmca on August 10, 2014, 23:25 GMT

    Dhoni will never drop Jadeja from the team... He may aslo says that Jadeja batted beautifully in the second innings taken the pitch condition into consideration... He fell short of much deserved 300 by 296 runs.......

  • VPillai on August 10, 2014, 21:36 GMT

    HA!! This defeat brings back memories of the second coming of the English domination of India in the 19th and 20th century..but this time in their home turf!! These Indians still show their weakness.. even in sports. The English still dominates the Indians to this day LOL!!

  • Cricketlover54 on August 10, 2014, 21:31 GMT

    @GRVJPR. lol your comments are hilarious, "if it was a 2 match Series India wouldve won" hahaha. India won the Lords test ONLY because Eng batsman played poor shots, it will be 3-1 soon and another humiliating overseas loss. How much is it now? 1-15? Someone please let me know

    India are by far the worst test team. For the record, AB devillers can score anywhere, VK and the Indians can only score on flat home tracks, ultimate flat track bullies.

  • Chris_P on August 10, 2014, 21:06 GMT

    @GRVJPR Even your own countrymen don't rate Kohli that highly. Go & learn something about the game before posting embarrassing comments. Your credibility is zero. Cheers.

  • on August 10, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    @GRVJPR this time u hit the nail on its head but don't forget in future what u said.

    Indian batting isn't that poor but to provide cushion for their pathetic bowling Indians prepare sq turners in India which at times backfires if opposition too has superior quality spinner as was the case in Eng series.

    Similarly knowing that Indian pace bowling is toothless opponents prepare terribly fast & swinging tracks specifically for Ind bcz the know Ind doesn't have the resources to take adv of these tracks. Hence Indian batters have to always face toughest conditions.

    Conclusion Ind needs a bowling captain who improves bowling strategy & quality of bowling like what Pak had in Imran Waseem & Wiki

  • on August 10, 2014, 19:59 GMT

    Even if India does go on to level the series or draw out the next match ( which seems pretty difficult right now) , the underlying fundamental issues continue to haunt them ( it's been 1 overseas win in 3 years ) ....Lack of fast penetrating bowlers ...Batsmen who cannot play fast seam bowling ....A captain who seems all set to retire from test cricket in a year and really doesn't look to bothered ( That press conference seemed like a joke ) ...Question is ..Does the world's richest board really care about test cricket ...

  • on August 10, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    My squad

    1. Rahane 2. Vijay 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rohit 6. Ashwin 7. Dhoni 8. Bhuvi 9. Aaron 10. I. Pandey 11. Ishant

  • Vishal63 on August 10, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    If India want to win then they need to try this.

    India XI: 1. Rohit Sharma, 2. Shikhar Dhawan, 3. Virat Kohli, 4. Ajinkya Rahane, 5. Naman Ojha, 6. MS Dhoni, 7. Ravichandran Ashwin, 8. Ravindra Jadeja, 9. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10. Varun Aaron, 11. Ishwar Pandey/Ishant Sharma

    Go play a more ODI-like or T20-like XI since attacking is the only thing they are good at.

  • on August 10, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    How to help Kohli and Pujara not to face the new ball and bring back to form. Only one solution, bring back the oldie Mr. Sehwag in the opening position. He will eventually sees off the new ball lose its shine with his hard hitting abilities and hopefully it may help our top order batsmen to make count on their respective batting position by making some handful runs to their name without the worries of a new ball.

  • Vishal63 on August 10, 2014, 18:36 GMT

    Here is my analysis on the squad. Vijay needs to find his form back as we need an opener to stick on. Gambhir needs to be dropped as they should only play him in Indian conditions. Pujara will not be dropped because of that unlucky decision going against him. Kohli will not be dropped. Rahane has done well. Dhoni has been a lone warrior for us. Jadeja no matter how much we ask for him to be dropped, he won't be dropped because the selectors and Dhoni value him too much whilst actually Jadeja's contributions are next to zero towards the team and so it's futile removing him from my playing eleven for next game. Ashwin should stay. Aaron was good. Ishant if he's back, should play. Pankaj should be dropped for Ishant or Pandey.

    India XI: 1. Murali Vijay, 2. Ravichandran Ashwin, 3. Cheteshwar Pujara, 4. Virat Kohli, 5. Ajinkya Rahane, 6. MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7. Naman Ojha, 8. Ravindra Jadeja, 9. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10. Varun Aaron, 11. Ishant Sharma/Ishwar Pandey

  • Vishal63 on August 10, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    It's all just a joke. IPL has taken it too far. The players don't have the correct mentality to stick at the wicket when it's tough or even when it's easy. They all get out trying to plash rash shots or just trying to have the feel for the ball hitting their bat just because they are so use to it in T20 cricket (which is basically IPL as no one really follows the other leagues). I feel that IPL is indeed enhancing our chances in T20Is and the finishing of games in ODIs but it is completely destroying Test Cricket for the Indian Cricket Team.

  • cricket_lover1 on August 10, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    Pathetic performance from India. First of all Dhoni made biggest mistake of batting first in seaming conditions after winning the toss. He chose two spinners in a seaming pitch. There was no point to play Pankaj Singh instead Pandey would have been a better choice. The bowling changes and field placings were not correct as per the game situations. So Dhoni would have to change his gameplan else he needs to be sacked. Do Indian team have a coach? Even if coach reads cricinfo comments and takes some tips out of it, it will benefit Indian team a lot.

  • TRAM on August 10, 2014, 17:47 GMT

    People's perspectives changes so much. During the period before and after India won the WC in 2011 people were bashing Krish Srikkanth the chief selector at that time. Now I dont see any one saying Sandeep Patil is a bad selector. This is in spite of the non-performing Dhoni, Jadeja, Gambhir, Binny etc in the team and India thrashed left and right. Not to mention repeat selection of ISharma, RSharma). May be the perspective has changed that it is Dhoni who decides the team. If so, then they should feel bad that they commented bad against former selectors.

    As far I am concerned I am clueless how the selection is made. There is always 2-3 players who come from nowhere (SBinny, RJadeja, Gambhir) and always 4-5 players who perform top class in India FC matches (Badri, Jaffer and many. I apologize I am not following FC cricket in India currently) but never EVER get selected no matter what. In my other parallel universe I have BCCI declaring their selection criteria openly.

  • on August 10, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    India should select top performing Ranji Trophy players to play test cricket, not from the T20 carnival, because test cricket is serious stuff.

  • on August 10, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    Rohit Sharma throwed his wickets easily, so everyone asked to drop him for 4th test, but look at virat kohli same way he used getting out in the whole series not consistency with the bat, lack of abiities to face swinging seam, poor performance in slip fielding and dropped catches,,, can't understand the selection criteria

  • on August 10, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    As long as dhoni and Flecture in defensive mind set Indian will not do Heroic things in Test Matches. Aswins batting Average in over 41.00. Dhoni must try him at no6 batsman in test. Rahane and Vijay should open. N.Ojha should play as wicket keeping batsman. Dhoni should play only as Batsmen. Pujara and Koli should be out for next match because at this time they are not good at swing balls, for the 5th test match Rohit should play at no 4.

  • whirlaway on August 10, 2014, 17:24 GMT

    @ _-Will-_: Re: IPL, to me there is no doubt that the IPL dominates the Indian cricket scene much, much more than how the T20 tournaments of the other countries are regarded in those countries. For instance, there is a T20 tournament going on in the Windies now that I am watching even as I type this. How many people here are following it, or even know about it?

    IPL is big in India because of the money factor. The fans there seem to think that it is cricket, when it is actually a ball and stick game that happens to resemble cricket! We see even Indian fans here suggesting replacements for the Indian Test team on the basis of IPL performances- in some cases, on the basis of just a single IPL performance! Until that mindset changes, not just at the BCCI, but more importantly in the minds of Indian cricket fans, their Test team will continue to suffer ignominies like what happened at Old Trafford yesterday and at Southampton recently.

  • AVRAJAN on August 10, 2014, 17:16 GMT

    Dhoni deserves this defeat as he often ignores the youngsters who perform at Ranji level and does not give chances by rotation to bench players. He should remember the fact that when Dinesh Karthik was the main stumper for India and was doing well behind the stumps, he was replaced by the selection of Dhoni based on domestic performances. Dhoni should personally visit match places and select players according to his choice as was done by Imran khan and Wasim during their tenures.

  • on August 10, 2014, 17:09 GMT

    Bring harbhajan singh back with sehwag as well, let dhoni be the 12 th man. A gud place to rest.

  • on August 10, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    I wonder how everyone starts to say Moeen ali a specialist spinner for england. Knowing the fact the Indians were in complete dilemma whether to play him defensively or go on complete attack, means that with if you guys are marking him with this performance then Tendullkar might be called an ODI Allrounder because he scalps 150 odd wickets in ODIs.

  • whirlaway on August 10, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    One way for India to address this situation is to disqualify any player from being selected for Test matches if they have played in a T20 match in the past 12 months.

    Playing in one-dayers is OK since there are some skills (like scoring at a fast pace before declaring the innings) that are transferable from one-day to Test cricket. The T20 format brings no benefit whatsoever to Test cricket, especially in case of India where the number of T20s being played is way too high.

  • on August 10, 2014, 16:47 GMT

    Don't have to worry just watch them how they play, it's like a govt. job once players get selected to indian team they will be retained, protected, praised and awarded at some point.

    You don't have to perform always, just one innings in a series is enough to keep you in the team for a very, very long time... reason no other alternative. Wow really... does Indian population Suck so badly. when you can give these useless people so many chances you may as well give new comers similar chances too.

    Indian selectors are brain less, power less they simply hate change period and so does media, comments on newbies so badly but not on stars......wow whats so good about dhoni, virat, pujara, gambhir but believe me nothing happens to them because they BCCI's favourite players.

  • priya65 on August 10, 2014, 16:35 GMT

    I believe that players earn too much and are being adored for all the wrong reasons because of the IPL Hype. Most of these indian players have become confidence players now. They are good only when they are on a role. Otherwise they just fold. They have forgotten the meaning of the word grit. All of them just want to be flamboyant. In cricket just like in life even the most elegant player might have to jump around and take a few blows. As a cricketer you have to learn it early in life. in T20s these qualities are not tested. Every bowler gets hit there so a bowler's mind set changes when he plays too many 20 -20 s. They wait for Dhoni heroics ( last ball 6 ) and Jaddu magic. But such things do not happen in test matches, Even when it happens you might find yourself on the receiving end, just like this match.

  • thalagune on August 10, 2014, 16:33 GMT

    @landl47..am lankan and i see what you say is quite true..once sanga/mahela retire it will leave a big hole and we will struggle...but thats ok and its not the end of the world,,,it will need a period of rebuilding for us....guess not only SL but pakistan too will face a similar crisis once younis/misbah/ajmal retire cos those guys are old too and pakistan rely so much on them right now..

  • kunderanengineer on August 10, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    Oh how the BCCI must wish that they had scheduled a 2 test series instead!! India would win 1-0 and then live in the delusion that this is the best Indian test side in years!

  • on August 10, 2014, 16:10 GMT

    You need brains to use the DRS system. It is worthwhile to do a research on the best users of the system.

  • sumit1982 on August 10, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    I understand the ball ability of Anderson and board both are class act. But how the Indian batsmen cannot able to understand the line and length of Moeen Ali that really surprised me. I thing the top 6 of Indian line up need to give some time in crease it is 5 day match.It doesn't matter if you take more delivery to reach your fifty runs.

  • MaruthuDelft on August 10, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    Tendulkar was a champion batsman. Good enough to be compared to West Indian, Australian and South African batsmen. It happened to India after 60 years of playing test cricket. After this Indian fans seemed believe India can come up with more Tendulkars regularly. That is why they compared Virat Kohli to AB De Villiers prematuredly. And that is a crime. After just one impressive test performance in SA they compared Kohli to AB. AB is not just infinitely more gifted than Virat but he has been a consistent performer all around the world, against all sorts of attacks and in all formats.

  • thalagune on August 10, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    @santanu banerjee....i respect your comments ,what you say is sensible unlike some others,from a srilankan fan

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:59 GMT

    SL always have been a better team than india.. We saw it from Asia cup and also world t20 final..and they have been winning all the matches excluding one series...but india....an inning lost....worst!!!

  • crazycric67 on August 10, 2014, 15:57 GMT

    There are so many comments regarding replacing players and changing the captain. While it is agreed that a couple of changes can definitely strengthen India's bowling attack, I don't see any drastic changes required in the current batting order. We have one of the best batting line ups in the world who need to show some patience and application to stay on the pitch. If they can not do that, what is the use of talent? Captain alone can not win us matches.Zimbabwe has shown much more intention against their mighty neighbours in the ongoing test match. Unless the Indian batsmen change their attitude and come out of their IPL frame of mind, we are going to lose the next test too.

  • sheru-sher on August 10, 2014, 15:54 GMT

    @Connan Doyle Yeah , maybe as you said it was satisfying to see an Indian "" pace"" bowler draw blood(I never like cricketers being injured) but the fear of the backlash caused India to lose the match in 3 days. Watch out for the 5 th TEST. I hope a lightening fast wicket is produced and Finn and Plunkett are brought into the side with Jordan and Anderson. England should rest Robson and Broad (injured)and try someone else .With those 4 bowlers and Woakes we might have another 3 day Test match.

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:50 GMT

    India definitely needs a better leader in test matches.

    - We cannot face the pace. [Huge difference between Anderson, Broad Vs Kumar, Shami] - We cannot handle spin. - Our batsman are struggling.

    What kind of a leader do we have who cannot spend time on the wicket?

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:50 GMT

    Two matches and India have crumbled .Hoping Ishant Sharma is fit for the last test match .Aaron will keep his place and Jadeja should go for Pandey .Ashwin deserves his place because of batting alone and Rohit Sharma to come in as well .If you can give binny /jadeja more chances than one than of course rohit deserves another .I havent seen the last two test matches to comment on the bowling but in the first two Ishant was the most effective overall and it should be so as he is the most experienced of the lot .Hope he recovers and we can draw the series .The batsmen have repeatedly dissapointed .

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:48 GMT

    It proved again.....it showed again where flat track champs belongs......playing million home/subcontinent games and calling themselves champs is a joke......Well done England well played wishes from Sri Lanka

  • sheru-sher on August 10, 2014, 15:46 GMT

    @ishaan1997 Kohli and Pujara will be BACK.....For sure in India on the concrete strips

  • Raj1960 on August 10, 2014, 15:46 GMT

    Young Indian side, need more game time and some pep talk.

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:41 GMT

    Bring in naman ojha as an opener..drop gambhir and jadeja..bring in rohit sharma(he is not in anyway a better option but you donot have any choice either..ishant would be back in place of pankaj...would love to drop kohli too but sadly we donot have enough batsmen in reserve...kohli needs a break..he can amass runs against west indies on flat and lifeless tracks of india..

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:39 GMT

    India needs to make the following changes..Bring Binny in place of Jadeja,Rohit sharma instead of Kohli(struggling) and Ishant instead of Pankaj...And the batting order needs changes too..1.Vijay 2.Gambhir 3.Pujara 4.Rahane 5.Rohit 6.Ashwin 7.Dhoni 8.Binny 9.Bhuvi 10.Ishant 11.Aaron.Perfect combination from the available 18 members

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:30 GMT

    Very strenge. Moin Ali, who doesnt have doosra or any other veriety in his bowling, still gets 19 wickets of those players who are the best againt spin. And the best spinners in the worlds are not getting a single wicket. And we are focusing our all attenssion in only Pujara & Kohli. We are forgetting last years CT played in England. In CT, our mejor success was due to brillient opening partnerships we had with Dhavan & Rohit. Mere critisism hurting Rohits performance. He always goes on pitch with huge amountof burden on his head. Third test we lost mejorly due to bad fielding, but Rohit was targeted. In entire that match Rohit was involved in highest partnership alongwith Rahane. But one bad timed shot was pointed out and Rohit lost his place. In countries like Aussie, England Rohit played some brillient knocks against top class bowling before. Why we cant realise this. Rohit must play in final test. Rohit for Jadeja, Ishant for Pankaj Singh. Still its not all fnished. One win only

  • GRVJPR on August 10, 2014, 15:29 GMT

    SO AB DeVillers is better than Virat Kohli. Hmmmmmmmm AB can't score a run against a Zimbabwe. Most of Ab Devillers runs are on flat tracks. Other teams fear SA bowling attack so they prepare flat tracks. Virat much better.

  • USA_Desi_Cric_Fan on August 10, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    the 11 players should be in form. otherwise india is in trouble. kohli is out of form. give him rest this series and next series he shall make a comeback. play different players no gambhir and kohli.

  • thalagune on August 10, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    @Rajesh india_1990..boomerang right?....and india will beat the overrated aussies in australia right?ohhh...you make me laugh helplessley...and where is Mr Arun Bose the great critic of lankan cricket and the deny hard indian fan,,,is he hiding or has he comitted suicide...haha

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    That was so satisfying to see a Indian fast bowler draw blood, I mean when was the last time we saw that.

  • on August 10, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    Well again it proves that India is only good at sub continent pitches. If they didnt have the current position in ICC (Dont know wether its fair to have such domination without proper talent) to get lots of home matches they would have been below 5th in both test and ODI rankings...

  • cesar12345 on August 10, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    Hand over captaincy to rohit sharma he will transform into a responsible player and a good captain as well

  • ishaan1997 on August 10, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    Why are people saying to drop kohli and pujara? Kohli played well in sa, nz and in aus too, english conditions are always a challenge, kohli himself admitted he wanted to perform in england, but even the greatest of the players experience form slumps, cook also suffered, was he dropped? We fans need to understand that this would be a one time affair and he and pujara will be back. They could have been back in form if we had good openers, since if they blunt the new ball, then it could make life very easier for both of them. And people are also saying to move rahane up the order? If that hapens, then surely we will have another player who will be out of form.

  • JG2704 on August 10, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    @5wombats on (August 10, 2014, 10:36 GMT) Hello. To be fair most Indian fans have been very honest about this series and given plenty of self criticism etc but then we've had so much junk from literally 2 or 3 continual nuisances to make up for it. One of them talking about having the last laugh etc - It's an adult sport for god sake not a schoolboy vendetta. One of them also promised not to return if India didn't win the series so we'll see if he's as good as his word. So I'm going to try not to let my attitude of one or 2 die-hard (deny hard) s affect what I think of Indian fans as a whole

  • JG2704 on August 10, 2014, 15:11 GMT

    @Ind.rosh11 on (August 10, 2014, 9:29 GMT) You could level the series - big deal. We were told by a couple of regulars that India were going to thrash us before the series and then during this test that even after day 1 India were actually on top and now it's becoming 2-2 and obviously if India don't square it then it's because it's in English conditions so it doesn't count....

    PS Full respect to the vast majority of Indian fans who have admitted their own team's short comings. It's a shame a few die-hard (more like deny-hard) fans can't admit it. If problems aren't admitted they will never be faced

    PS May be worth reading the post by Arran292 on (August 10, 2014, 14:35 GMT)

  • dabhand on August 10, 2014, 15:07 GMT

    gm47 hits the nail on the head - supporting your team is one thing, being stupid is another and not admitting you were wrong is the mark of a coward.

  • gbz22 on August 10, 2014, 15:05 GMT

    India must get rid of duncan fletcher who's reign has been disastrous for india. He received a team that had just won the world cup, was bubbling with a galaxy of young talent, and over three years he's destroyed what he was handed over. Why BCCI persists with him is inexplicable. Player after player has fallen apart under him - rohit, raina, yuvraj, gambhir, sehwag. No new talent has been brought in. Series after series, we see competing teams prepare clear tactics for each indian batsman, but india has barely a plan for the other team. No strategy for getting them out, no tactics for dominating their bowling, no sense of the other teams weaknesses or methods to exploit them. What's frustrating is that this England team is a weak team. It just lost to SL at home, and will probably get mauled in the ashes. Yet, they are beating india, because india has neither hunger, nor preparation nor fight. And an overpaid, slob of a coach. Would Dravid or Ganguly not make a much better coach?

  • ajj_sin on August 10, 2014, 14:58 GMT

    BCCI, an all powerful organization it is, should force the concept of "renting" out foreign players in international test cricket as well. The kind of money it can throw in, we can see an Indian team with Warner,Amla, Watson, Clarke, AB devilliers, Du Plessis, Butler (maybe de cock), mitchell johnson, starc, steyn, saeed ajmal and of course Dhoni as the non playing captain to take the credit for things that "happen". Otherwise i do not see any improvement in the current standards. The stars of the team become heroes playing on the most dead tracks and after just a couple of knocks abroad. The only reason we did not lose the first two matches were because the wickets were pretty similar to what they are back home. To be honest the side that traveled England the last time was better than this one but it just met England at the peak of its powers. This time a bruised and battered england team with only two quality bowlers is beating the hell out of our "best batsmen in the world".

  • ns1000 on August 10, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    Slip fielding for India is abysmal and has to improve. Ashwin should learn from Ali - keep things simple, give the ball lots of revolutions and attack the batsmen. Kumar needs to add 5kph to be successful long term/overseas - don't see him doing well in Australia. Get Yadav and other faster bowlers ready for the Australia tour. Ishant will always do well outside India because of his height, inward movement to righties and lift on foreign wickets. Aaron/Yadav and others should bowl pace first, line and length second. Naman should replace Dhoni and Pujara//Vijay should be made co-captains.

  • gm47 on August 10, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    Where are all the fans now that we're saying India would win 5-0. Then after their great win how they were going to win the series 4-0. Now losing 2-1..... please let us hear you admit how wrong you were :). Soooooo sooooooo fickle fans, 1 minute India are worldbeaters then the next they are rubbish !! They are neither, same as in all sports you have good and bad times. Just wish Indian fans had a more balanced view, see that there is some middle ground about good and bad performances. England to win 3-1

  • ns1000 on August 10, 2014, 14:41 GMT

    A few things of note: Jadeja is not a Test player and should be replaced. Kohli's technique is not suited for English conditions. Dhoni's captaincy and wicket keeping have been very weak. Kumar, Vijay and Ashwin have overachieved and need to continue. Someone besides Dhawan and Gambhir should open with Vijay. Pankaj Singh looks soft. Hindsight is of course 20/20, but I have sent previous comments to not have Dhawan, Gambhir orJadeja in the team and give Ashwin/Aaron and others a chance. Next playing 11: Vijay, Rohit, Pujara, Rahane, Naman, Ashwin, Dhoni, Kumar, Ishant/Pandey, Aaron, Pragyan. 5 specialist bowlers are a must. Jadeja is not a bowler and Ashwin's batting average (almost 42) is better then most top order bats.

  • rk_ks on August 10, 2014, 14:37 GMT

    So many people are telling to promote Rahane to the top. Why do someone want to spoil him, when he has settled well in that position. And also, people asking to include other cricketers removing Pujara and Kohli. When these guys scored runs you guys told that they are replacements for Dravid and Sachin. And now, one series they haven't clicked they should be replaced with Naman Ojha. Some one of Kohli's range cannot be replaced at all. Just because Naman Ojha played 3 matches well doesn't mean that he will mange well than Kohli. And his first class average is not even close to 45 and people regard him as the best. Why don't you guys ask Kohli to improve. What if Naman Ojha and other X fails tomorrow, who will you bring.

  • whirlaway on August 10, 2014, 14:37 GMT

    I heard a rumor that even though India are strongly opposed to DRS, they are strongly in favor of the re-introduction of the rest day in Test matches.

    And until their demand is met, they are going to protest by losing all Test matches within 3 days or 4 days, so that they will get the rest day (or better, TWO rest days) that they are asking for! LOL

  • Arran292 on August 10, 2014, 14:35 GMT

    Hi guys..I've got plenty to say. I've been to all the 3 days and know about the training sessions too. I'll start here with their attitude: NO SIGNATURES FOR FANS is not a good start for the pr..is it? AllEngland players gave out signatures and easie to get Michael Holding's autograph than Jadeja??? What is ging on hey? Kohli practised against spin bowling only..not pace. Where was the bowling coach when nets were on? No planned structure on the coaching Only Pankaj and Varoon owled with vigour in nets..rest not bothered.

  • on August 10, 2014, 14:21 GMT

    80% of Indian players not even played 10 test matches. They need to get more experience. All most all are new test players including bench. I think Ishant will play in the next match. Ashwin bated nicely and should promote him up in the order. Poor fielding in the slips costing games for India. Dhoni should be more alert in the first slip catch. Keeper and first slip should know who should take the catch. I think India should go with one spinner and four fast/medium. In test matches Ashwin should try on more spin than variations. My Team for last match. Vijay / Rohith / kohli / Pujara / Rahane / Ashwin / Dhoni / Binny / Ishant / Bhuvi / Aaron.

  • on August 10, 2014, 14:20 GMT

    please bring on naman ojha for the final test,, he has done well in the india A vs Aus A...

  • Al_Bundy1 on August 10, 2014, 14:11 GMT

    If a player does not perform in 2 or 3 consecutive matches, it's time to get rid of him. There's no room for baggage in playing 11. Pujara and Kohli - both need to be kicked out of the team and sent back to Ranji Trophy to work on their technique. For the last test, promote Rahane to #3 or 4, and play Naman Ojha at #5. Jadeja does not belong in test cricket. It's not too late to fly in Parvez Rasool or Akshar Patel to replace Jadeja.

  • ladycricfan on August 10, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    When the players lose the trust in their captain the team unity will be lost and their performance will suffer. That was what we have been witnessing in OT. Dhoni is not choosing the correct players. His preference of Jadeja over More capable Ashwin is plain obvious. Ashwin was not selected for the first three matches. When selected he was asked to bowl on hard 1st and early 2nd day pitch. Then it was all Jadeja on deteriorating 3rd day pitch. It should've been the other way round. Ashwin is an attacking bowler and Jadeja, a containing one.

    Cook on the other hand used Moin wisely. Moin did not bowl a single over in the first innings and Bowled the most overs in India's second innings and got 4 wickets and helped in the innings defeat of india.

    Dhoni is not trustworthy anymore. His attitude and his negative energy is unsettling the whole team. It's time for Dhoni to retire from cricket.

  • sundersingh on August 10, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    I always feels and knows that "catches wins matches" but it has been changed to "catches wins series" hopefully India will win the last match at oval...

  • on August 10, 2014, 13:50 GMT

    If India are run down in the 4th and final test match,then I am afraid Dhoni might cap the team for the last time before he will be axed out.The axe could also fall on the coach as well ,as he will equally be made responsible and accountable for pathetic showdown of 1-3 series defeat,if that would be the scenario.I am sure Dhoni and the coach, both, will run hard in the final test to save their stake in the team and,of course, face.

  • on August 10, 2014, 13:49 GMT

    Its been a trend in India Cricket where Captains atleast keep one or two man of his choice who are always burden on Team. Sir Jadeja is only playing as MSD is captain. Its high time for selecters to choose a Test team where people are selected on playing merits. Gambhir plays well in middle order and even Rohit has Test playing skill but they are not used. Why cant Shewag be given a chance again as he is the one who can single handly destroy any attack. Give him 4-5 Test to play

  • Alberteinstien on August 10, 2014, 13:40 GMT

    virat kohli was out of form in the ipl so how he got selected for this tournament.If selector where thinking that he will come in form then its a big mistake from them as Ricky ponting was out of form for more than two year, so is cook recently.I can assure you that a out of form player has 5% chances that he will come in form in the next match he plays. Even a club level batsman would have better chances of better contribution in comparison if calculated scientically.In this calculation talent does have large effect. Suppose India A and India is playing.All player of India A are in great form and all India players were out of form.Who will win?India A will easily win.ROBIN UTTAPA WAS IN GREAT FORM SO KKR WON THE IPL.India could have easily won this tournament had they played Kedhar Jadhav,Hanuman Vihari,and Naman ojha with an average of 87,93,and 70 in this ranji trophy.Cricket is a game of chance and what your chance that you will contribute is the biggest question of the game of chances.

  • JJJake on August 10, 2014, 13:25 GMT

    India seem to struggle on the faster pitches. They tour Australia in December. Don't know how they'll fare down there?

  • arvindsrin on August 10, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    Pujara's technique against spin on tracks like these seems poor. He seems to be committing himself on the front foot too soon and thereby opening himself up to getting caught at slip or lbw. He is better off hanging on the back foot and going forward only if he can reach the ball and drive.

  • landl47 on August 10, 2014, 12:58 GMT

    @FiGhtCluB: That would be fair enough if the experience was spread evenly,, but it isn't. England's 4 senior players (Cook, Bell, Anderson and Broad) have 383 of England's 421 tests between them. The other 7 have 38 tests between them, and Root, one of the youngest in the side and younger than any of the Indian team, has over half of them. India has 6 players with 20 or more tests to England's 5. Two of England's four most experienced players, Cook and Broad, are not yet 30.

    Whichever way you look at it, England has at least as much room to grow as India.

  • on August 10, 2014, 12:57 GMT

    I think it is too early to get carried away by this success. True England have won comprehensively. But the the real test will come when they play strong test teams like South Africa and Australia and even New Zealand for that matter than this third rate Indian team . This Indian team doesn't not have the attack to take 20 wicket and struggles against both pace and spin. After 0-10 test match losses and a definite 1-3 against an upcoming England side I am afraid test match cricket is dead in India. RIP

  • on August 10, 2014, 12:50 GMT

    Instead of making a headline that "England men's hand India an innings defeat", it should be that "Indian men gift away a comprehensible win to England."Rather than England bowlers bowling Indian batsment all out they(batsmen)themselves played them out.I fail to wonder if there was discussion in the Indian camp, during the course of their batting, to stretch the game to the next day when there was high possibility of rains pouring down the following day.9 out of maximum 10 wickets fell in the last session of the day,after tea-break.I still fail to understand what went wrong with Indian batting line up all of a sudden while they were stiking quite well just before the tea-break.Barring Ashwin,no one showed any sort of temperament and intention to stay on the crease and see the day through.I really have no words to describe such a horrendous performance with the bat for the team which boasts of fiedling top-class batsmen in the team.Bowlers must not be blamed for this massive defeeat.

  • Afique on August 10, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    England's ten men hand India innings defeat... and eleventh is the MOM .... lol

  • on August 10, 2014, 11:57 GMT

    With the current mindset and any gven condition this Indian team cannot stand even against a quality county side ....so for team india they need to forget the past and look into future...

  • balaji28 on August 10, 2014, 11:44 GMT

    I really like to know only one thing on what basis gambhir is being selected in the squad and you can look at his previous ranji season and irani trophy where he performed in a dismal manner and in turn left delhi ranji team getting knocked out in group stage while he played ridiculous in irani trophy that led to rest of india's losing by an innings.Please don't select a test team based on ipl performance that will only lead to dismal performance. Please prepare bouncy track and spinning track i.e a team need to play 5 matches in bouncy and green patched track while rest of the matches in spinning track that will help india find the best batsmen avialable. Wicket keeper needs to be selected based on their keeping skills and not based on their batting skills.

  • Shibu1981 on August 10, 2014, 11:44 GMT

    After the second test defeat @ Lords England Bowlers Jimmy,Broad & Ali found their perfect line & length, they should give thanks to Indias best batsman so far in the series Murali Vijay.In the first two tests England bowlers saw vijay leaves everything outside off, i hope that strategy of Vijay forced England bowlers to change their line from outside off to middle and off and make the batsman play each and every delivery & they increased their pace as well to get good carry. That made the difference and India batsman paid the price.In the last two tests we saw england bowlers got good carry than Bhuvi & Pankaj. We all know bhuvi`s strength is only swing not pace and bounce, he is not a bowler who hits the deck hard, bhuvi luks tired after the first two tests.The absence of ishanth creates more problems for India.Varun is a handy bowler but he needs to change his line to middle & off and make the batsman play each and every ball.India needs to give a chance to Ishwar Pandey...

  • gunaprema on August 10, 2014, 11:43 GMT

    Give a change to N.ojha who scored good runs Aus tour.Recalling him and warming the bench not a good move since the batting order for the team fail to perform.

  • lingiboy on August 10, 2014, 11:41 GMT

    @Rom1966 on (August 10, 2014, 11:21 GMT):

    Yes, Yes, Yes. Forcefeed India with DRS. D after breakfast, R after lunch, and S after dinner. For their own better health.

  • balaji28 on August 10, 2014, 11:28 GMT

    According to me the entire team needs to be revamped for the betterment of indian test team. The following 7 players to be retained for aussie and windies test series are vijay,rahane,naman ojha,ishant sharma, Bhuvi,ashwin and ishwar pandey. May be my opinion might look exaggerated but that is what indian team wants and indian test team doesn't want players who can't play off stump line like virat,gambhir,dhoni,rohit,dhawan,jaddu,pujara etc. Dhoni needs to retire from international test cricket after this series as he underutilizes his bowlers and selects wrong team at uneven proportion. Even after ashwin scores a 40+ scores in both the innings where everyone flops,Dhoni don't even compliment ashwin for his work. So may be ashwin or vijay can be given a trial captaincy during windies test series. My squad for windies test series:vijay,rahane,naman ojha,ishant,Bhuvi,ashwin, ishwarpandey,kedarjadhav,Baba aparajith,Karnsharma,Jiwanjot,karun nair,shreyas gopal,rayudu.

  • spot_on on August 10, 2014, 11:24 GMT

    I would still say. India has all the batting and bowling talent they need. But they dont have the right man to channel them all in a clear direction. Dhoni needs to be removed as the test team's captain. Over the last few years India lost amazing talents like Agarkar,Yuvraj,Sehwag,Gambhir,Zaheer Khan and many. Just because of one man's will. When Ganguly was leading India we all know how miseraly Tendulkar failed at the fourth wicket slot and even openly announced that opening is the right place for him. Ganguly was in ablazing opening form when compared to Tendulkar, but still sacrificed his spot to encourage Viru playing fearless cricket, and also encourage Sachin to play his natural game. This is just an example of how a captain can influence the team in wining ways. I hardly see Dhoni encouraging any talent in this line up. Of all the best available in the pool Ravi Jadeja,stuart binny and Pankaj were his men to go! Show incompetent thinking.

  • Rom1966 on August 10, 2014, 11:21 GMT

    @GRVJPR Not sure what the issue is with Sri Lankan winning in England. They were invited to play 2 tests and won the series. They also won the T20 and 1 Day series. Nothing wrong with DRS , only the BCCI keep finding fault with it. India should be forced to use it and play by the international rules of the game. Next the BCCI will ban cricket balls from swinging as India struggle with this type of delivery. India performance was pathetic in this test match.

  • lingiboy on August 10, 2014, 11:21 GMT

    My Team for the 5th Test:

    Monk, Pokeman, Wall, Playboy, Sad-eyes, Copter, Sir, Theesra, Innocent, Bouncer, & Gentle-giant. Effectively no change. Just play better.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on August 10, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    I was watching SL Vs Pak match then switched to Eng Vs Ind match. The match was nicely finished by India which started 1 day after SL match. I m still enjoying SL vs Pak today. It looks like India improvd to finicsh test matches in 3 days.

  • RayMcCooney on August 10, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    The INDICATIONS are that this England squad hit rock bottom, gave themselves a full and frank dressing down and are now on the way up. Cook was more proactive on the field with respect to his captaincy, but more importantly, the senior squad members appeared to be paying attention and engaging with him. Sri Lankan posters are continuing to gloat about their extremely fortuitous series win, but hopefully the SL management is aware enough to realise that they "got out of jail" this time around. Dhoni seems to have given up on the test series perhaps in favour of the forthcoming ODIs, but surely his tenure as India's all formats captain is reaching its end. Bottom line? The England team is moving in the right direction and the incorporation of a select band of younger players has been managed well. Like Sri Lanka, Cook and Moores have got out of jail as they could have been sacrificed to the deity of instant success. Hopefully they've bought themselves enough time to finish the job.

  • on August 10, 2014, 10:59 GMT

    Its all about belief as demonstrated today by the hard working SriLankan Test Team who are going all out for a memorable victory against Pakistan,in the dying minutes of the 5th.day in Test 1, at Galle. India on the other hand yesterday, seemed a demoralised & disinterested lot, low in self confidence and belief...Thats been their undoing in the last 2 Tests. India ought to learn a lesson or 2 from the SriLanlans.Trust Dhoni doing that...

  • on August 10, 2014, 10:57 GMT

    Ashwin could not get wickets because England just played one innings only. If they have played two innings, he might have got some... First let the batsmen play 50 overs... Dont complain the bowlers, that too when they are complementing by scoring more runs...

  • crinform on August 10, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    Sir, My last three messages have not been displayed in the list of comments. I am afraid you are biased against me, because my suggestions are a little bit hurting the so called RULERS of Indian cricket........

    I would like to get your reply for my querry in my email sunmohan@vsnl.net

    Thanks. Krishna Mohan, INDIA

  • markatnotts on August 10, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    You do sound very bitter to me. So what it England were out played in Oz by a huge margin? It us the hear and now, and the huffing and puffing seems to have been coming from yourself and India since Lords. It is not England's fault we have managed to keep two senior bowlers fit for a sustained period of time and India can't! If really were nevert bitter you wouldn't have made those earlier comments.

  • GRVJPR on August 10, 2014, 10:37 GMT

    Sri lankan fans seems to be jumping too much for no reason. Sri lanka was plain lucky to win the series in england since it was only 2 test series. If this was 2 test series India would also have won since they were leading the series. Longer series have issues like fitness of player and it tests the depth of team. Indian lost their inform bowler came the 3rd test due to injury. Meanwhile Sri lanka was saved by flawed technology DRS in first test. After than Sri lanka was humiliated by South Africa at home, and now they might win against ever mediocre test side like pakistan. But Sri lanka was always a poor test side and will always be.

  • 5wombats on August 10, 2014, 10:36 GMT

    @JG2704 - I'm just glad that he is enjoying the series! No sign of our friend @Harmony111. Didn't see him on the NZ v Ind forums either. I wonder where he is?

  • GRVJPR on August 10, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    @markatnotts, Why should I be upset about England? Isn't it a fact that england lost miserable in Australia 5-0. And even this home performance from them is not convincing. Look at opening bowlers of India. Eperience of 4 test matches between them, yet england is huffing and puffing at their home soil. And if anderson doesn't perform, I don't see jordan even get a club side out.

  • Smithie on August 10, 2014, 10:27 GMT

    The Indian teams looks mentally lacking in guts and determination. I feel they know in their hearts that by not accepting DRS they are pariahs. Both teams have have been impacted by howlers but I am sure the sledging that is inevitable from not accepting DRS must be corrosive. A big circuit breaker would be for Dhoni and Srinivasan to come out and say we will play the last Test under DRS.

  • baghels.a on August 10, 2014, 10:13 GMT

    Contd,so why should all of India's defeats in tests should be blamed on IPL ??? Some of these fans are too elitist in there outlook, for them Indian victories in ODI's and T-20's don't count because they are convinced in there minds shorter formats are inferior and poor country cousins to test cricket,all i would like to say is that all three formats of the game have different requirements,demands and skill-sets.These people only highlight the negative aspects of IPL but forget that for domestic Indian players like Rajat Bhatia,Pravin Tambe and others who toil unnoticed for years in domestic cricket IPL provides them with a great platform, another grouse of mine is too many Indian fans issue statements like X,Y,Z is bad and useless , then other comes in with A,B,C is good and should get a look in.Indians have lost badly in overseas conditions even before the IPL came, guess if we in Oval everything will be hunky dory again...so pls lets not overanalyze and look for scapegoats.

  • Upyoursindia on August 10, 2014, 10:07 GMT

    If Sri Lanka beat England, and India loses to England by innings, how can both these teams be classified as "big" big budgets, big populations, big land mass and big mouths YES, they just give themselves these labels to make them seem important because they know that the cricket they play is putrid at best.

  • markatnotts on August 10, 2014, 10:06 GMT

    @GRVJPR, why are you so upset and bitter about English success?

  • Herath-UK on August 10, 2014, 10:02 GMT

    When Indian batsmen are crumbling Sanga broke Don Bradman's recored of more than 12 scores of 190.What a legend he is turning out to be.I feel Dhoni is more than a capable batsmen than others who are falling wayside,he should bat higher up than now.At least it will instil some vigour into the team.

  • cricaashish on August 10, 2014, 10:02 GMT

    that's the actual status of indian cricket in overseas no surpises they lost match in 3 days

  • legfinedeep on August 10, 2014, 9:56 GMT

    Kohli's avg is 34.6 abroad and 50.5 at home. Now, I am sure many players in Asia have averages higher at home, but the discrepancy between his figures is too large. It should not vary by that much, hence it is much better to play him exclusively on subcontinental pitches.

  • baghels.a on August 10, 2014, 9:48 GMT

    As an Indian fan i am terribly gutted but i would like to congratulate English team for this massive win , it has been a remarkable turnaround for the English side after the Lords test and i didn't see it coming.I would like to single out English fans on Cricinfo as the fairest and most unbiased fans.these forums now have become a test of patience for me , there is so much negativity,hate,knee jerk reactions and too many people with deep rooted biases and agendas commenting here.People nowadays have short term memories and are so reactionary and resort to calling players like Kohli and Pujara who have proven themselves in SA and NZ overrated, so now R Ashwin,Bhuvi are overall better batters than Kohli and Pujara.I don't why some Indian fans are bringing IPL into it, IPL runs for 2 weeks and was over by June, did anyone credit IPL for the victory at Lords ?? for encouraging performances in SA,NZ,for winning ICC Champions trophy ,for Ind A winning Quad series in Aus ?? contd

  • neil99 on August 10, 2014, 9:47 GMT

    There are positives this summer - Ballance, Root, Moeen, Buttler, Broad, Anderson & partly Plunkett. Concerns remain over Robson, Cook & Bell - both seniors finally managed to score, but Bell especially remains inconsistent, regularly in a position were he's fighting for his career. He must score heavily or make way for another - this summer we've witnessed how new, fresh faces can smash 100s. If Carberry/Compton had been afforded such opportunities we might not require an opener. I'm not concerned about Ali as he's bowled amazingly well for a part timer - who actually cares if his batting's suffered a little. Bowling wise, the back-up pacers are weak. Jordan's a great slipper and takes wickets, but I feel his rather ungainly run hampers his speed and accuracy. He's got something to work with. I'm no lover of Woakes; the few tests he's played have demonstrated his weakness. He rarely looks like getting a break though. The team looks stronger with Finn / Plunkett / Stokes / Jordan

  • on August 10, 2014, 9:42 GMT

    Hi, just thought I wud add a wider perspective. When we look at data for all the teams internationally, we find that Australia are the best travelers by far and Pakistan are the best at home (Surprised!).

    Data as follows showing the W/L ratio for each team. When playing away from home conditions:- A = 1.21, E = 0.86, SA = 0.85, WI = 0.71, P = 0.65, SL = 0.40, I = 0.37, NZ = 0.30. When playing in home conditions:- P = 2.54, A = 2.35, E = 1.78, SL = 1.74, I = 1.64, WI = 1.50, SA = 1.34, NZ = 0.77.

    As we can see Australia are phenomenal on the road and are winning more games than losing over a period of 120+ yrs, thats pretty amazing. India on the other hand are very poor travelers and are maybe middle of road at home. SL are also marginally better than India but they have played and toured much less.

    In the context of the current series, playing at home, Eng win 2, draw 2 and lose 1 over a 5-game series and India when away W1 D2 L2 over their history. Iindia has a diff task.

  • 5wombats on August 10, 2014, 9:39 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (August 10, 2014, 8:53 GMT) - you state that everyone wins at home. But they don't do they? Don't forget that India lost at home to England 18 months ago. That's quite recent - you should be able to remember that. Also - Australia beat South Africa in South Africa quite recently too. You mention Englands heavy defeat in Australia recently - but you don't tell us what England did to Australia in England just a year ago. The fact you are trying to conceal is that India never, ever win away. Stop with the excuses @GRVJPR.

  • on August 10, 2014, 9:34 GMT

    1) Murali Vijay 2) Ajinkya Rahane 3) Cheteshwar Pujara 4) Virat Kohli 5) Naman Ojha (WK) 6) MS Dhoni (C) 7) Stuart Binny 8) Ravichandran Ashwin 9) Bhuvneshwar Kumar 10) Varun Aaron 11) Ishant Sharma

    India should play this team at the Kia Oval, if they are to have any hopes of securing a win. MS Dhoni's faulty technique as a WK, was exposed in the 4th Test Match, and Naman Ojha could do a better job. Also, with Rahane opening alongside Vijay, Pujara won't be exposed early. This could probably help Pujara (and Kohli) to play their natural games. Also, Binny should play in place of Jadeja, as Jadeja has looked absolutely ineffective (except for in the Lords' 2nd innings), and Binny would do a better job on a pacy pitch. Last, but not the least, Ishant Sharma (if available) should take Pankaj Singh's place, as Pankaj has looked absolutely unthreatening.

    Hope India provide a stiff competition with this eleven. Just my two cents. Cheers! :)

  • JG2704 on August 10, 2014, 9:30 GMT

    @GRVJPR on (August 10, 2014, 8:53 GMT) There is very little Hoopla here. England are at the moment turning out to be the better of the 2 vulnerable sides.Let's also not forget that according to you and few of your mates/aliases you were going to win this series regardless. SL winning over here , SA in SL and Aus in SA proves that winning at home is not a gimme. Let's not forget that your beloved side were also beaten at home in a test series not so long back.

  • india_boy33 on August 10, 2014, 9:29 GMT

    @GRVJPR- Yes you right are mate. At least we are not drub by shambolic 5-0 defeat as they were. One match is still in our hand to draw the series 2-2. What we have need is just a bowler of calibre like Johnson, who destroyed the opposition in one spell. Don't worry Eng if we have no Johnson then we have Ishant who is enough for you I think. Get ready for the next test, series level 2-2 I bet.

  • goldenpower on August 10, 2014, 9:28 GMT

    India selectors had concluded that T20 players are manage all formats. but they missed to find a best test player from country side which from Ranji test matches. Perhaps every year ranji test high scorers got chance in national side, Then who can be defeat us?

  • Rajitha_SL on August 10, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    week selection make India lost.India A team doing better than this in Aus. its clearly proof your week selection

  • on August 10, 2014, 9:27 GMT

    Good Indian team..now i can see that its indian team....Initially when indian team started winning cups i was surprised. "what is going on":? "i was questioning my self "why indian team is playing"? who told them to play?...after seeing current matches..it seems that now indian team is on track....

  • Herath-UK on August 10, 2014, 9:26 GMT

    When Indian batsmen are crumbling Sanga broke Don Bradman's recored of more than 12 scores of 190.What a legend he is turning out to be.I feel Dhoni is more than a capable batsmen than others who are falling wayside,he should bat higher up than now.At least it will instil some vigour into the team.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 10, 2014, 9:23 GMT

    @GRVJPR- With this present bunch,Ind have a string of defeats lined up @ home as well.With our batsmen hopelessly exposed vs part time spin and IPLs exposure to foreign teams in Ind,the Lankans,Aussies,SA,Pak,even NZ will be lining up to defeat us @ home.

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on August 10, 2014, 9:23 GMT

    what will boomerang do?It will come to the place from where it was thrown...in the same way India will bounce back in the next match and will draw the series and ofcourse going to win against the Overrated Australian team in their own ground...

  • Big_Chikka on August 10, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    people knocking england because they are up at home in the series........don't recognize they were down and out according to some ppl, and now ahead. they are getting better, sri lanka appear to a much better team than this india outfit...over hyped team i'm afraid, india home or away need more adjustment than england now.

  • baghels.a on August 10, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    As an Indian fan i am terribly gutted but i would like to congratulate English team for this massive win , it has been a remarkable turnaround for the English side after the Lords test and i didn't see it coming.I would like to single out English fans on Cricinfo as the fairest and most unbiased fans.these forums now have become a test of patience for me , there is so much negativity,hate and too many people with deep rooted biases and agendas commenting here.People nowadays have short term memories and are so reactionary and resort to calling players like Kohli and Pujara who have proven themselves in SA and NZ overrated, so now R Ashwin,Bhuvi are overall better batters than Kohli and Pujara.I don't why some Indian fans are bringing IPL into it, IPL runs for 2 weeks and was over by June, did anyone credit IPL for the victory at Lords ?? for encouraging performances in SA,NZ,for winning ICC Champions trophy ,for Ind A winning Quad series in Aus ?? contd

  • FiGhtCluB_99 on August 10, 2014, 9:13 GMT

    Surprised to see people still batting for Gambhir. He is well past his best, just like Harbhajan, Sehwag and Zaheer. If at all, you want an old experienced opener, look no further, there's Wasim Jaffer. He is also an excellent slip fielder. Jaffer has at least a couple of years of good cricket left in him. If Chris Rogers can do it, so can Jaffer.

  • srini.n on August 10, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    178 + 152 + 161 = 491 runs for 30 wickets... this is how India's last 3 innings stack up. This total has not yet overtaken England's 1st innings score at Southampton which came for the loss of only 7 wickets (same story for the no. of overs faced). Hopefully India will cross it in the 1st innings of the last test. Good Luck to them !!

  • on August 10, 2014, 9:08 GMT

    Surprise to see so many Anti-India comments..mostly by SriLankans..Don't forget that just lost the home series against SA..and to the Pakistanis..you are just about to lose a match despite scoring 450 in 1st Innings..and to BD fans..you dont deserve a place in test match against quality team..defeated by Hongkong, Afghanistan, Canada, Sierra Leonne, Paua new Guinea..etc..LOL..Agreed that India are not good tourists!

  • on August 10, 2014, 9:07 GMT

    Sorry GRVJPR but England, Australia and SA have all won away from home and against each other. Australia has beaten India in India so you can't say everyone wins at home. Good sides win away.

  • DaisonGarvasis on August 10, 2014, 8:56 GMT

    The test match was won by England even everybody had warmed up with 4 wickets before India reached double figures. The kind of skill demonstrated by England quicks to take those first 4 wickets was briliant. Yes, Kohli is showing weakness against moving ball on or outside offstump on a good length. But the deliveries that got him out would have got him out even if he did not have that weakness. Most of the deliveries that got Kohli out were abolute peaches - a testimony on how England zeroed in on him. They had plans for each India Batsmen. After the loss in second test the whole England set up went back and started all over again, something India now needs to do. It was not a bad performance by India overall in the series. They need to pull up the socks and have a good show in the final test. If they could do it at Lords, they could do it anywhere.

  • BapiDas on August 10, 2014, 8:56 GMT

    It is becoming abundantly clear that the current crop of batters wearing the INDIA colors are unable to play the longer format of the game! They are more at home playing shorter formats which are heavily stacked in favor of the batters. Even the long standing belief that the Indians are the best players of spin bowling proves wrong. A part time bowler could decimate the Indian batters not once but several times! I do not believe that putting the blame on MS Dhoni and making a scapegoat of him will not the be solution! The mindset of the batsmen needs to change. However no coach can ever 'teach' them how!!!

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:54 GMT

    I think time has come for Dhoni to give up his test captaincy. He is not taking any wise decisions during the play. There is a lack of strategies and good team display. The batting has failed terribly. None of the batsmen took responsibility to stick to the crease. The good thing that came out of the test match was a real fast bowler Varun Aaron who can actually bowl in the range of 85-90mph. The ball on which he bowled Ali was outstanding. Sad to see such a talent not being selected for ODI's. He was shown the door before he even played in england. WIth the current batting performances, this tour is gonna be similar to the 2012 series.

  • GRVJPR on August 10, 2014, 8:53 GMT

    Why so much hoopla around England's win here. Every one wins at home. We saw how they themselves played overseas in Australia.

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:49 GMT

    An abysmal and abject surrender once again by the Indian batsmen, in the 2nd innings , following the 1st, at Old Trafford.This clearly demonstrates that the present crop of Indian cricketers just do not believe in the notion of ' Occupying the crease" concept, of Test Cricket ,& lack patience, as earlier idolised by Test greats Gavaskar and Vengsarkar, who patiently built innings. Instead they believe in Slam Bang cricket format of One Day games & IPL, which they play in abundance & which brings them a lot of fortune. This has moreover ruined their belief in the 5 day Test cricket. Their body language & confidence is so evident when it comes to playing one day matches, & which is so totally lacking ,when it comes to playing 5 day Tests. I feel the time has now come for India to have 2 separate teams, & captains for the 1 day & 5day format, as we do need patient & disciplined players for Tests,which is lacking today, to win a Test series abroad which hasn't happened for some years.

  • nursery_ender on August 10, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    Posted by Ram.TG on (August 10, 2014, 8:20 GMT) Cricket (like any sport) is more a mind game - India are down 1-2 for just two reasons: (1) Jadeja's drop off Cook at Southampton and (2) Witnessing Broad's nasty injury must have thrown off the Indians mentally so they couldn't focus on their own batting properly.

    Possibly the most deluded Indian fan on here. Which is saying a lot.

  • Biggus on August 10, 2014, 8:46 GMT

    @ landl47:- Cook's captaincy looks better over the last two tests but is that because Plan A is working, by and large? It's Plan B and onwards that has always been the issue with Cook. India have been most considerate in falling in a heap thus obviating the need for on the spot plotting. Having said that he does look to be a little more pro-active lately. The jury must still be out IMHO.

  • JG2704 on August 10, 2014, 8:45 GMT

    @CandidIndian - What would be your solution re India's problems - esp overseas? Just a thought here - Could the BCCI with all their wealth centrally contract an elite group of players and broker contracts for them to play in countries like Eng,Aus,SA etc for valuable experience? I remember yesteryear - as recently as H Singh - players from India played in England.

    Another thing I worry about for India is their mentality. They seem to be a great on top team but once the momentum shifts find it really hard to reverse it. We're not immune from that either. Also wonder about the stamina for a long test series. Pakistan,SA and Australia never let us back into the series whereas India have twice been a test up against us and lost one series and will lose/draw the other.

    PS I see you sent me a nice post as I was typing this one. Maybe this touches on some of the issues. All the best

    PS I see Dungerbob beat me to it re Indian player playing in domestic overseas comps

  • GRVJPR on August 10, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    It'a a home victory though. Every one wins at home. Period. Although Sri lanka lost to South Africa at home miserably as well.

  • RoshJ on August 10, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    Good show ENG...and IND proving again they are juts 'flat-track-bulies' and, further if as part of being BIG 3 is for IND get 5 match series' with AUS and ENG, IMO it smells dissater for IND as their utterly incapable, over-hiped players are being found out for what they are...

  • suren74 on August 10, 2014, 8:36 GMT

    This series was lost because of the 'off the field' incident between Jadeja and Anderson which seems to have affected the Indian team mindset and moral in a negative way. They should have stayed well away from that and focused on the series instead. They played like a bunch of amateurs at Manchester. Poor leadership and poor choices made by MSD putting the already fragile batting line up under even more pressure. Time for MSD to accept he isnt that good a test captain outside the subcontinent. They should play India A team for the final test and have Saurav Ganguly as the honorary captain!. I cant see this Indian team winning the last test to square the series. They have made a very ordinary England team who were completely out of form & deflated leading up to this series look exceptionally good and made Moeen Ali the next superstar. MSD's poor captaincy has made Cook look like God! I wonder what the indian team are doing the next 2 days....

  • HDG1978 on August 10, 2014, 8:30 GMT

    Srilanka's win in Leeds earlier this year gladdened my heart as does any England defeat. I am an Indian cricket fan. At the same time, the SA win in SL was bad news for the subcontinental cricket fan in me. I eagerly await the downturn in SA fortunes post Dale Steyn as and when that happens now that Smith and Kallis are gone. But after looking at the derisive comments of some SL fans, I must say that SA thoroughly deserved the win handing a rare defeat to the haughty Sanga and Mahela fans. I feel that Sanga and Mahela are not in the same league as Dravid and Tendulkar. SL is yet to win a Test in not just Oz but India as well.India won a Test in SL on its last Test tour in 2010 and has won Tests in Adelaide, Perth, Jo'burg and Durban since 2003. India also won series in Pak, NZ and WI in the Dravid-Tendulkar era. SL has won Tests but not series in NZ and WI. The cricitical comments of SL fans turned me against their team and their two batting stalwarts, nothing else.

  • FiGhtCluB_99 on August 10, 2014, 8:29 GMT

    @landl47 - He probably meant 'young' in terms of 'experience', not 'age', LOL. The total number of Test matches played by the 11 members of the Indian team before this match was 263. For England, the number was 421. Age does not equate to experience. Pankaj Singh and Alastair Cook are both aged 29. Are they equally experienced? No.

  • brusselslion on August 10, 2014, 8:27 GMT

    @ black_bird: "It has been too long when india lost a test series either at home or abroad." You do seem to have trouble interpreting the facts contained on the Stats pages.

    India's last away series defeat = Earlier this year vs. NZ. Last home series defeat = vs England Nov-Dec 2012.

    Neither that long ago really. Don't you agree?

  • Ram.TG on August 10, 2014, 8:20 GMT

    Cricket (like any sport) is more a mind game - India are down 1-2 for just two reasons: (1) Jadeja's drop off Cook at Southampton and (2) Witnessing Broad's nasty injury must have thrown off the Indians mentally so they couldn't focus on their own batting properly.

  • 5wombats on August 10, 2014, 8:17 GMT

    No excuses can be accepted for this - an innings defeat of this nature. The match was completed in 195.1 overs. Without rain interruptions this match would have ended before lunch on the third day. Truly shocking. For me, the worst aspect of this from the Indian point of view is the Indian batsmens weakness against spin - how is this possible?

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:14 GMT

    The Indians have paid the price for some terrible batting in the 1st innings followed by low intensity bowling and captaincy on Day 3 morning. The pressure in the 2nd innings to save the match was just too much to handle. I was astonished by Dhoni's comment during the post-match preso that an early finish means they'll get 2 additional days of rest. Not at all confident that a tired captain can galvanize the team to fight back in the next match. The good batters - mainly Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan (he should play) - will surely use the next test to salvage pride before they leave England, and 1 or 2 can be expected to come good. If Ishant comes back, this could bolster the bowling a little. But the captaincy and slip fielding may be very difficult to improve in this short time.....and these could ultimately prove decisive.

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:11 GMT

    @ExcuseMaster, I too hope this is the end to doni's captaincy but knowing that how lucky he is i feel somehow he will escape again. Few lucky things are going to happen to save doni in the next test as follows; doni's one forte is winning tosses, so he will win the toss again in the next test, broad somehow will not recover fully (sadly though), anderson and moin ali will surprisingly lose their form in the next test, catches of one or two indian batsmen will be dropped by england fielders at crucial time in very strange manner, few crucial umpiring decisions will go in favor of doni, and somehow he will have a chance of win the next test and square the series.

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:08 GMT

    another abroad loosing street starts for india after lord test...

  • Ram.TG on August 10, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    Dhon was wrong! India's loss is not really inexplicable - The India players must have been shaken having witnessed the nasty blow to Stuart Broad's face !

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:03 GMT

    Disheartening to see India surrendering without a fight in quiet normal conditions.Who is the strategist for India is the million dollar question.After playing so many one dayers and skill killing 20-20's, it was the most pathetic seen that our batsman trying to adopt to-now not so familier- world of test cricket. I dont know why people dont learn from history and proven methods. India is very good-may be the best-one day and 20-20 side. But then Australia was the same before. But they were the best in test too in same period. Strategy was simple and that is what India is missing now. They were attacking from day one in tests too. The statregy was to score more 350- 400 runs in a single day. And they were doing it quiet simply and putting all opposition in trouble. Even if they loose 5 wickets, the NO:7 batsman came and started hitting. Remember Indian won the first test when Rehane played just an innings attacking like Australians. So one must admit that Dhoni is the worst strategist

  • on August 10, 2014, 8:00 GMT

    Who is the strategist for India is the million dollar question.After playing so many one dayers and skill killing 20-20's, it was the most pathetic seen that our batsman trying to adopt to-now not so familier- world of test cricket. I dont know why people dont learn from history and proven methods. India is very good-may be the best-one day and 20-20 side. But then Australia was the same before. But they were the best in test too in same period. Strategy was simple and that is what India is missing now. They were attacking from day one in tests too. The statregy was to score more 350- 400 runs in a single day. And they were doing it quiet simply and putting all opposition in trouble. Even if they loose 5 wickets, the NO:7 batsman came and started hitting(normally Gilchrist). Remember Indian won the first test when Rehane played just an innings attacking like Australians. So one must admit that Dhoni is the worst strategist that he is asking such beautiful stroke makers inclu

  • Naren21 on August 10, 2014, 7:57 GMT

    I think it is time India identifies a team that is suited to perform in Test cricket in India and abroad. They seem to get carried away by home performances on easy batting tracks and make the mistake of hoping that the same players would do well on seaming tracks.

    I would go with a new look India team comprising of (and in order of batting) Abhinav Mukund,Murali Vijay,Ajinkya Rahane,Cheteswar Pujara(Voce capt),Ambati Rayadu, R Ashwin(Capt),Sanju Samson,Bhuvaneswar Kumar, Varun Aaron, Idhant Sharma,Pragyan Ojha / Ishwar Pandey for home and away tests. Ashwin is by far the best middle order batsman in India today going by the way he batted in both the innings. Youngsters like Ankit Bavne, Vijay Zol, Baba Aparajith,Pavan Negi, Parvez Rasool etc should be kept on the radar for the future.

  • Mervo on August 10, 2014, 7:49 GMT

    I think it may be time to review the salary and endorsement packages for the Indian players. One win in 18 tests is not a good record, given the financial rewards these players receive. It is not a matter of the top order 'firing' but a matter of developing young players who can play on all kinds of wickets, as did Dravid and others before him. Some of the 'heroes at home' players need to have their cages rattled.

  • ExcuseMaster on August 10, 2014, 7:40 GMT

    Moeen picked up 4 more wickets in this match and wondering Dhoni will say now...Going by his last match comment did he again allowed Moeen to bowl well? Shame Dhoni... we did not send you to allow Moeen bowl well....

    There is more to what we see....is Dhoni's end at horizon?

  • thalagune on August 10, 2014, 7:40 GMT

    @Thozar...man your indian team really is unbeleivably pathetic at this point of time...no point in saying had sri lanka played 5 tests they would have also lost the seires and saying that india would have won in SA if not for kallis and so on,,,dont give these lousy ifs and buts,,face the real facts..cos ifs and buts never actually happened..

  • on August 10, 2014, 7:40 GMT

    Best of luck for the oval test India

  • on August 10, 2014, 7:38 GMT

    The decisions taken by doni throughout his captaincy were very dubious & inferior but almost always he would have the last laugh & come victorious. It could be some bowling change, it could be some batting related, it could be field placement etc etc but almost all illogical decisions he used to undertake would bring some benefit to him and he was praised for these illogical decisions as if he was a tremendous captain. But the truth is he is soooooo lucky and nothing else much. Now see what is happening - almost all his decisions are back firing and these are the same kind of decisions which used to bring huge dividends to him before. The massive luck factor of doni is exposed.

    And doni coming as late order batsman and hitting some fast runs when it is irrelevant to the team's outcome is nothing great. Even jadeja or ashwin or bhuvi too hit some fast runs at that stage because they are not as tensed as the top order batsmen who cannot play freely due to tension.

  • on August 10, 2014, 7:38 GMT

    india can only win on home siol and spinning tracks...they cannot win on seamy and bouncy tracks...a paki fan

  • hhillbumper on August 10, 2014, 7:37 GMT

    To all the Sri Lankan fans crowing on here. Now England have some confidence do you fancy a rematch

  • vsre on August 10, 2014, 7:34 GMT

    Kohli - u r bottom hand technique is fit for rowing - not batting . look at the angle u bring the bat down to face the ball . u will remain flat track bully. Vijay - u already think u hv achieved ur mediocre dreams . u seem to be doing a favor to Indian cricket by still playing . wake up man and hv the same intent u had while u played the 1st test . u hv a long way to reach glory . leave the Complacency for gods sake. Dhoni - u r first a wicket keeper then a batsmen and last a captain - in that order . please for gods sake don't reverse the sequence . u need to collect the balls that goes to you in the range of 4 feet radius around u . not just block it or captain it for others to fetch . hope u get that clear and loud. bhuvi - u need to stand up and ask for enough rest . otherwise u will get more and more mediocre in your bowling . its some time good to get selfish in this failing team environment . sachin / dravid will know what I mean here by being selfish.

  • Proteas_Power on August 10, 2014, 7:33 GMT

    @Thozar- All worldwide cricket fans criticise Indian team's performance but you & some of ur fellow countrymen are still not accept that Indian team is a minnow in overseas. If you feel ashamed to compare your so called legends with Mathews than what about Sanga & Mahela. They are far (best) apart than Sachin Dravid Laxman. Well said @Greatest Game you show them mirror. It's true that Aus & SA are both deserve top 2 rankings & they are really a class apart from other teams. It's really hard to differentiate who's bowling lineup is best in the world Aus or SA. But what about for Ind even Bang or Afghan pace attack is better than Ind. You have only Ishant who performs in 1 test out of 20. LOLzzz Any answers…

  • on August 10, 2014, 7:27 GMT

    Dhoni...pls quit the captaincy for the future of Indian cricket. We want team India not team Dhoni.

  • faisalpatel on August 10, 2014, 7:18 GMT

    I really dont belive dis fact that eng is 2-1 in this series...when I see england on paper and india , India seems to be far more stronger than england..even thou england have benefit of playing at home.. The likes of Vijay, GG, VT, Rahane, Pujara they are capable of playing long innings MSD and jadega similar thou...Bhuvi Shami Aaron Ashwin dey r also capable of taking 20 odd wicket i belive.. I am absolutely clueless what went wrong...All credit goes to England team dey fought back like a warriors,,, Excellent stuff from Anderson, Ali , root, Balance, bell Broad and over all.. As of now i can say team india overrated Team england underrated. I will not be surprise to see England 3-1 dis coming week Congratulation Team England Work hard Team India

  • ishaan1997 on August 10, 2014, 7:16 GMT

    @landl47 I guess there is not much difference - only 9 which is also because of gambhir, who is playing in place of dhawan(gg-33,sd-29) and pankaj for ishant(ps-29,is-25). And, also, england also have a home advantage and experience of james anderson. And experience comes after you play more and more test abroad. it is rahane's and pujara's and vijay's and dhawan's and shami's third overseas series and bhuvi's and the reserve bowlers first series. Maybe after playing for some more time like 2-3 years, they might then a force to reckon with though i am not sure

  • Rajnish_aggarwal on August 10, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    It was a shameful display of batting by Indians. England's bowling attack was perhaps the weakest in two decades, in the second innings after injury to Broad and tiring of Anderson. Indians had a good opportunity to strike back and resurrect some of the national pride. There was no mentor or coach to guide the team to maturity. First, Murali Vijay became careless and started playing too many shots too early. Then we cant blame Gambhir, it is the selectors to be blamed for his selection in playing eleven. Pujara has suddenly forgotten batting and he is finding it difficult to play even an ordinary spinner like Moin . Kohli shall fail 10 out of 10 times in England or NewZealand wherever ball swings and pitches are fast because he has wrong technique of shuffling and he gets wrong footed and is squared up. I wonder, in a land of Gavaskars, Dravids and Sachins there is no body to pin point the exact reason of his failure. Rahane, and Dhoni also played too casually to get out.

  • on August 10, 2014, 7:08 GMT

    Spineless display by India - poor bowling selection, lack of imaginative captaincy and poor form of Virat is costing India heavily. The coach ought to play a role here - what is Duncan up to and obviously the approach has to be positive. Pankaj has to be replaced with Ishant and Jadeja with Karan Sharma (leg break, googly bowler). Karan is likely to trouble English batsmen more with with leg breaks and googly. Change the opening pair Rahane and Vijay should open followed by Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli and Dhoni.

  • Lion_96 on August 10, 2014, 7:02 GMT

    If some Indian fans enjoyed and rubbed our faces on the recent defeat against South Africa (that after winning literaly everything in 2014), then rest assured we all thoroughly enjoyed this 2.5 day innings defeat at the hands of England (the same side, that lost every series at the start of the summer to Sri Lanka). More good news, Sanga has scored 10 double tons :D

  • on August 10, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    Get naman ohja as a Wk & rohith to playing 11. rest (not drop) kholi or pujara. If kholi is playing send him to no 06. Bring rahane to no 03 ,MSD no 04, rohith 05. As 5 th test paly in oval keep jadeja and ashvin in the team. if ishanth fit to play only ishanth and buvi need to play. But panday will suited more to the oval pitch. india, do some effective changers. MSD not effective as keeper (as a captain too) in this tour. Free him to score more.

  • landl47 on August 10, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    @Prabhakar Muthukrishnan: yes, India are a young side, but the England side is even younger. India had the two oldest players in the game (Dhoni and Gambhir), England the two youngest (Root and Buttler). India had 4 players 25 or younger, England had 6. England's other two squad members were also 25 and 23, making 8 players 25 or younger from a squad of 13. Total ages of the two XIs: India 301, England 292.

    If India couldn't beat this England side now, more experience is not going to be the answer.

  • Protears on August 10, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    @thozar, your point is moot when India are winning nothing at home or abroad. So we have lost a series to Australia, a side at the time with form yet took it to the final 20 balls of the series with a lot of problems to with key players injured or under the knife weeks before the series started. If you look on the flip side, we have beaten Australia and England twice in succession on their turf and at the end of July wrapped up a double in Sri Lanka, a place many believed we could not conquer and is now a relic of 2006, the last time a South African team has been humbled abroad, that is an achievement worth its weight in gold. Another newsflash, outside of Steyn, Amla and De Villiers, this team is rather inexperienced.

    But yes we will focus on what we do (winning) while you can focus on what your team does (losing).

  • JAHID_OMAR on August 10, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    @thozar- Ha Ha it's quite funny to see your shameless comments even after your so called great IPL heroes humiliated within 2.5 days in a 5 day test. What a shame!! Even BANGLADESH would have given a good fight than your bunch of jokers. PAK and SL are far far better than your IPL heroes and mind you recently SL defeated and won the series against this same English Team in much more seaming condition than now. ICC please Give BD more chances to play in these conditions rather giving so many useless opportunities to MINNOWS like INDIA. BD Fan

  • on August 10, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    "Can't Bat, Bowl or Field " this sums up the current Indian team.

    What worries me though is who else have we got. There is not much talent left back home. The inability to play even spin in English wickets is pathetic.

  • _-Will-_ on August 10, 2014, 6:35 GMT

    @ Nutcutlet on (August 10, 2014, 5:57 GMT): Cheers and greetings from Melbourne, Australia, where I have been expatriated for a while now!

    In a few months time I might be able to comment from the MCG itself, and I dearly hope there will be enough reason to comment positively on team India at that stage!!

  • on August 10, 2014, 6:30 GMT

    high time to india to drop overrated kholi

  • _-Will-_ on August 10, 2014, 6:26 GMT

    @dunger.bob: I actually think we're on the same page! Perhaps you were referring to @jmcilhinney on (August 10, 2014, 3:19 GMT), who responded to my post re the IPL?

    I put up that list to try to illustrate that IPL doesn't necessarily diminish the skills of genuine test cricketers. @jmcilhinney was of the view that IPL has far reaching consequences, specific to Indian players, that extend far and beyond the ~8 weeks duration. His or her view that the BCCI's almost negligence towards test cricket is a valid point though.

    And I totally agree with your suggestions re. sending some of our players to foreign FC circuits and better wickets for our domestic circuits. I have posted such comments (and other long lists of complaints!!) in the past but have no record of which threads they are in or when they were posted etc..

  • landl47 on August 10, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    There seem to be a lot of Sri Lnaka fans here crowing about SL's win over England in the earlier series. Good for them, but they would be wise to remember that SL were completely outplayed in the first test and barely hung on for a draw with 9 wickets down and managed to win the second test on the second-last ball of the game. In other words, their series win was lucky.

    Now remember that SL have four world-class players in their line-up. Jayawardene is 37 and retiring after the Pakistan series. Sanga and Herath are both 36. Only Mathews is under 30 and only Mathews of all SL's remaining players is test class. After Sanga and Herath go, SL is going to face real problems in even being competitive, let alone winning series.

    I realize that Sri Lankans want to enjoy their moment in the sun. Just don't lose sight of the fact that the sun in Sri Lanka is setting very rapidly.

  • ishaan1997 on August 10, 2014, 6:20 GMT

    Fans are going to hard on India imo, agreed it was a very very dissapointing loss, but, even the best of the batsman go through a bad phase, why is everyone coaxing kohli and pujara, why do we people think that these two will always score runs,are the other people in team sitting ducks? The other players need to step up. I think, both ajinkya rahane,whose all three test series have been good so far, and murali vijay, who started the series well but, then gave it away in the other tests. About pujara, if gets in the fourth or fifth over, do you expect him to always score runs? And kohli too has sometime come very early, and paticularly, he did not have much play and misses(Which Most of the batsman have), he has nicked everything. Imo this team should bounce back in the last match(fingers crossed and in australia . Please fans, do not crucify India, they are still very young blokes, they will certainly perform

  • 200ondebut on August 10, 2014, 6:18 GMT

    What we are seeing from India is the same we saw from Eng in Aus last winter. One side on top of their game; the other not. No point either set of fans getting too excited by these blips in fortunes. This is just par of the ebb and flow of test cricket.

  • Addanki_Raju on August 10, 2014, 6:17 GMT

    Hi everybody don't worry, Indian team didn't lose. To be frankly speaking we have seen Indian team last in 2011. Current team is Dhoni's team (Sandip Patil+Srinivasan). So no need to worry. Everyone is so harsh about loosing but no one question why Mohinder Amarnath missed the Selection Committee Chairman Post. Why VVS Laxman quits cricket and then why Sehwag lost his place in Team. To be frankly speaking Sehwag is the same kind of player from his debut to till the last test.So All the best to Dhoni's team

  • landl47 on August 10, 2014, 6:13 GMT

    It's strange that for all the criticism of Cook's captaincy that was floating around after Lord's, no-one is mentioning how well he captained in this test. With a hurricane due tomorrow, one top bowler injured and one sick and the bowling being carried by 3 bowlers with 13 tests between them, England still managed to win with time to spare. Cook's bowling changes and field placings were excellent and the side was buzzing- very good catches by Ballance, Jordan, Bell and Moeen, a run-out (Moeen again) and a real sense of urgency. That was after the two youngest players in the game had put on 134 to stretch England's lead to 215.

    Cook can take a lot of credit for this win. I've been critical of him in the past, but today he did everything right and, most importantly, his side played their hearts out for him. That's what carried England home.

    Well played, skipper.

  • on August 10, 2014, 6:11 GMT

    First of all BCCI should go for UDRS TECHNOLOGY then they should stop this IPL and concentrate more on away series in south africa england australia and newzealand that will give the indian team good exposure to play in foreign soil.

  • on August 10, 2014, 6:11 GMT

    @xyz_79: If your team is that good then how come you lost a series to SA on your home soil. This current Indian batting lineup is inexperienced and they are playing against James Anderson who is as good as Steyn, the same Steyn who single handedly won the first test for his team on slow pitch with no that much bounce. Indian team won the test on a Green top Lords pitch, just tell me when was the last time SL won a test on green top pitch.

    In 2009, Gambhir's test average was 90.87 but you cant use the line "Look at Gambhir his Avg. is 2nd best after Sir Don Bradman". As far as winning a series in Australia is concerned, yes India never won a series in Australia but India beat Australia in 2008 that too on World's fastest pitch Perth, please tell me when SL beat Australia on Australian soil?

  • Herath-UK on August 10, 2014, 6:09 GMT

    It is the way than the actual loss that will hurt India.The top order was really disgusting ,where are the 'big' names?More than anything this further emphasises how good the Sri Lankan triumph was fighting tooth & nail all the way from the T20 ODIs to Tests.I hope indians will recover to at least to a shade of that fighting qualities.

  • Naked_Cricket on August 10, 2014, 6:06 GMT

    Wondering How these indians play Vs Sri Lanka, India or Sunil Narine. Cant remember when they play last.may be few years ago . These Indians creating fields for average spiners .

    Get a leaf out of Sangakkara, Hashim Amla or Younus Khan . How well Srilanka Played in England and SA played in SL .

  • on August 10, 2014, 6:02 GMT

    Dhoni is unfit for Test matches not just as a batsman but more as a captain-everyone knows it from last 3 yrs but he is still a captain. India never had a same captain in test once he looses 3 series which is correct,Australia never has the same captain in test if he looses two series-still dhoni is a test captain ,who only supports his favorate players and he is very poor in nurturing the young players. To me after Ganguly there is a strugle to get new young talent in all formats. I think we know what to do now.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    @Greatest_Game- you need to remember that this is a rookie Indian team. The total no of tests that the top order had played together was less than that Grame Smith or Kallis had played individually. Considering it was their first trip to SA, against the so called "best attack in the world" they did admirably well.

    Even this England tour is not a disaster for the Indian team as it is made out to be. That the team drew one test and won one speaks volumes about its talent. Remember, it is a very very young team with almost the entire team on their first trip here. Give it some more time and it would smash everyone around the corner.

  • Nutcutlet on August 10, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    @ _-Will-_ on (August 10, 2014, 2:29 GMT) wrote:"Meanwhile, India luxuriate in luxury." Can I just express my total appreciation for that description? It's trenchant, true and...yes! ... poetic! I love it so much that I wish I'd come up with it! From one amateur wordsmith to another, I salute you for your unerrring judgement and poetic ear. Greeting from Bolton, Lancs!

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:56 GMT

    Couple of options after what has transpired.

    Option 1) India should quit playing cricket. Option 2) We should only play IPL, that too only in India Option 3) If India has to really really play test cricket, play only against the B teams and too only in the Indian sub-continent pitches; that way we will always win, will help improve the B teams to get more match practice so that they can then later become A teams and also in the process Indian batsmen can become the best flat track bullies

    BCCI should ponder on these options and pick one and make it part of their 5 year strategy to grow Indian cricket.

  • thozar on August 10, 2014, 5:53 GMT

    @Greatest_Game claims "Zimbabwe would have thrashed India". What a joke! How did you figure that out sunshine? Your team lost a home series to Oz while we crushed them 4-0. Where does that leave your team? We still boast of an enviable home record. Unlike many other teams who even lose at home. Like England that lost to Lanka or Lanka who lost to South Africa. Pakistan even lost to Zimbabwe. This performance does not mean India is a poor team. Victory and defeat is common in sports.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:52 GMT

    178,152,161 India's last 3 test innings, it simply depicts the woeful and sorry condition of this team. With the likes of Pujara, Kohli, Dhawan, Dhoni, Ghambhir, Rahane and Vijay they have all let down our hopes of winning A test series abroad. Even the bowlers except Bhuvi have done nothing special and on the other side "part time" Ali has bagged 19 wkts. Such a shame for this Indian team. By looking Virat in the field or batting he is in some other world, Pujara has lot to learn before he could replace Dravid. Dhawan/Ghambhir are more or less they are same. And Jadeja except the controversy he hasn't contributed at all. By the way they are playing its almost certain that India will lose the next test and will go down 3-1. If some miracle happens like Lord's God help India. India has once proved that they are lions at home, lames abroad. BCCI should focus more home series otherwise we will be losing each and every overseas tour like this.

  • CurrentPresident on August 10, 2014, 5:51 GMT

    It was rather disappointing to see a lack of fight in the team. there are times for hitting out in batting and there are times for buckling down. The second innings was a time for buckling down, yet no one seemed interested in sticking around and doing the rough long grind. This is part of test cricket.

    I am painfully reminded of my old suggestion of putting together a test only team with maybe 2-3 senior players. It should be made up of up and coming young players who do not play in IPL (esp. the batsmen).

    This team will be hungry and will apply themselves to make a name and place. After the rich, heady, hectic lifestyle of IPL, any human would find it tough to grind it out for five days, no matter how patriotic. So let's be realistic and pick those who have the hunger.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:45 GMT

    virat,pujara smashed steyn and co in their home if u really watched that match it was a flat deck and ab devilliers and faf duplesis has almost chased 457 on fifth day and they didnt smash steyn ,morkel,philander they smashed kallis,tahir and duminy and see what happened in the next match steyn back to form and all indian batsmen struggled except rahane he scored 51* and 96 on tough pitch and many of those runs came in the bowling of steyn,morkel,philander now better know who smashed steyn and co and if you want to check see the highlights.

  • dunger.bob on August 10, 2014, 5:42 GMT

    @ _-Will-_ : re the IPL and India's fortunes. It doesn't have to be that way. The IPL runs for, what, 8 weeks or so? .. that leaves a whole lot of the year when there's no IPL so I think it's just a matter of moving on to the next job when it's over. .. others have said this and I agree. The real solution is twofold. 1] Get as many of your stars as possible into 'fast track' first class cricket. Kohli, just for example, would benefit greatly from a few seasons in any of Eng/Aus/SA first class cricket. .. Get used to bounce and real pace off the track. 2] Where it's possible, create a few pacey tracks in India and force your superstars to play a few domestic f/c matches on them. .. It would improve the batting and also encourage some faster bowling. .. cheers mate, that's my two cents worth.

  • thozar on August 10, 2014, 5:42 GMT

    @xyz_79,hahaha, u comparing Angelo Mathews with our legends, hahaha. Really I cannot control my laughter. What a joke? Your team got a hold of Eng when they were low in confidence after their thrashing in Oz and the defeat to Netherlands in the WT20. What you won was not a test 'series'. You won only one test and almost lost the other. If India also played only 2 tests, we would also have won the series by now. If Lanka also played 5 test series, they too would be 1-2 now in England. And we drew the first test comfortably unlike your team. At least we have won few tests in Oz when they were the best. Even SA were unable to do that. First Lanka should learn to win one test in India and Oz before its fans can criticize other teams. You just won one test recently in SA. The last time we went to SA we would have surely won the series if not for Kallis.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:40 GMT

    Don't know what is the strength of Indian cricket team? Bowling and fielding were never and not now, than batting only left. But batting has also proved in last 2 matches, the worst.

  • CandidIndian on August 10, 2014, 5:39 GMT

    @JG2704 - Hey mate,i agree that both sides are vulnerable but England as a test side has much better approach and fitness to do well in 5 match series even though they were not a great form at the start of the series. Actually problem with Indian cricket is that cricketers have started thinking like businessmen.Limited overs cricket involves much less effort and lot more money than test cricket so Indian cricketers avoid giving their 100 percent in tests to save themselves from injury, especially overseas where much more effort is needed to be competitive. On the other hand for Eng players and fans test cricket is on top of priority list so no wonder we are getting hammered. Anyways hopefully next match will be competitive, best wishes.

  • thozar on August 10, 2014, 5:35 GMT

    @Greatest_Game, I don't have time to do research. I read it somewhere abt Eng's Lord's record but now that you mentioned it, I went and checked and the only tests they have lost at Lord's since 2000 was in 2001, 2005 (both to Oz) and 2012 (to SA).Considering that they play at least 2 times every year in Lord's, I think it still qualifies as a favorite ground for them.So it is still a terrific achievement that India too managed to beat them there.That is the point.

    Also if you remember India played only 2 tests in SA.And as you yourself acknowledge our batsmen did very well in the first. I meant the SA bowling attack that had Steyn, Philander, and Morkel was hit all around the park.And you come up with irrelevant stats (again) that Morkel was not hit around.So I take it that you are not disputing the rest of the attack getting hit all around the park.

    SA have lost several home series to Oz and drew with Eng and Ind before. Worry abt ur own team.We will worry abt India.

  • Faz63 on August 10, 2014, 5:33 GMT

    Being independent in all of this, it seems as if the Anderson affair has derailed their focus and resolve.....they played as if this was a warm-up tour match with players being rusty and not mentally there. Well done to England though....they played calm and sensible cricket. India need to get the top 4 working.....especially they need at least a new opener, a replacement for kohli and a proper no 6. In the bowling department I cannot believe that they have no quicks.....other than Bhuvi and possibly Ishant..the others are pretty average.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:31 GMT

    @siri12345: On the same ground SL got out for just 67 runs on 28 May 2014. At least India crossed the mark of 150 in both innings.

  • hotnsteel on August 10, 2014, 5:27 GMT

    If Dhoni's captaincy was bad in 2011, its worse here. Worse, that he didn't learn from 2011. Worse, he always has a reasons for loss, no clue to win. Worse, he emphasized personal battles, not team concerns. Worse, he had many choices, he chose poorly.Since, Lord's Test, Not a single action has inspired, that he is a better captain, batsman, wicket-keeper. Under him, the Indian Ship didn't sink, it Nose-dived.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:20 GMT

    overseas runs in 2014 rahane = 457 avg(45.7(10 innnings)) played one innings less than top 5 in nz (got 2 unlucky decisions and 1 lucky one) and was unbeaten 2 times which he scored 51 and 52 scored 2hundreds and 2 fifties and is the best run getter for india in overseas since 2012 and 1 more match to go he may well cross 500(lets expect) and i think he will do well in aus and all think that virat and pujara are better than him and legends say pujara kohli best batsmen for india rahane test avg is nearly 50 and he got only 7 and 1 in his first test in india and now its time to think who is best batmen of india its rahane not pujara and kohli and he failed only in one innings in 4th test pujara(avg - 22.62) - overrated kohli(avg - 29.78) - he needs some luck(may be anderson gets injured for next test or ask the other batsmen to take strike against him or play like virat at his explosive best like 100(50) ) vijay(avg-35) - played well as he is an opene

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:17 GMT

    Not sure with the team's direction of thought. How can one play Jadeja in tests? He doesn't even have the mental make up of the no. 8 as a batsman and as a bowler too to pick wickets. Persisting with him sends wrong signals to the rest who are performing(if any).

  • Vikram_Rathore on August 10, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    It is Dhoni's favouritism that has been costing India this series. It has been in OPEN DISPLAY through out. Dhoni got Jadeja to bowl 32 out of 88 overs on 5th day on a seemer friendly wicket at Lords but got is front-line bowler Shami bowl a mere 12 overs in 3 spells - Shami has been dropped now! Again, on a responsive pitch here, Dhoni got Ashwin to bowl a mere 13 out of 103 overs bowled by India! That too in 4 spells of no more than 4 overs at a stretch. I do not see a team being motivated to perform at their best, when Dhoni makes it obvious that he backs his favorites & not on merit.

    All you Dhoni fans, may please stand up give me a straight answer!

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:10 GMT

    Retirement of Sachin, Dravid & Co., lack of match winning bowlers and too much T20s are some reasons for India's present situation. They have to do some real homework to get back the winning formula. Don't forget England lost a series to Sri Lanka (who had a county bowling attack !) just a month ago. India is a great cricketing country and I am sure India will bounce back, till then please spare the houses and families of Indian cricketers.

  • Chris_P on August 10, 2014, 5:09 GMT

    @Greatest_Game. You are using logic to the logically challenged. Understand, they DO re invent history when it suits them!

  • SridharKalyan on August 10, 2014, 5:04 GMT

    As with medicines that lose potency when closer to their "use-by-dates", it is evident that some "talent" in the Indian side, like Gambhir, etc are very close to their final days, if not already over the line. I think Dhoni should handover captaincy to R Ashwin for the final test and play simply as a batsman. Kohli would have been my choice normally, but the youngman has to focus totally on getting his batting going now, and so should not be burdened with Captaincy now. Dhoni's wicket-keeping and captaincy were both very very suspect this match - and may be it was a good thing to send in Naman Ohja.

    My line up for the final test will be: M Vijay, N Ojha~, C Pujara, V Kohli, A Rahane, R Sharma, M Dhoni, R Ashwin*, I Sharma/P Singh, V Aaron, B Kumar.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:04 GMT

    Dhoni says 4/8 was the reason of failure but that was soly due to Dhoni's terrible decision to bat first.

    Dhoni gave poor fields to bowlers not encouraging them to bowl full which is Indian bowling's only possible way to take wickets

    Dhoni operated with part timers vs Balance & Cook allowing Cook to regain form & confidence consequently Eng to pile up huge total. When opponents is on mat don't let him stand up

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:02 GMT

    IPL is the reason for such shoddy Test Cricket performance by India. But at least it has made the Indian cricket Dollar millionaires. Batsmen like Vijay, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane may be great on the dead wickets in India, but against the moving ball in UK are pretty useless. Kohli is the most over rated. Now we know how good Gavaskar, Dravid, VVS and Tendulkar were, they scored anywhere in the world. India, please ban IPL if you want to win Test matches overseas.

  • on August 10, 2014, 5:01 GMT

    Indian team deserved it for this pathetic display of cricket. Well played England. Really liked broad and anderson bowling. .......from a indian fan

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:58 GMT

    Indian team deserved it for this pathetic display of cricket. Well played england. .......from a indian fan

  • rkannancrown on August 10, 2014, 4:56 GMT

    The real issue for the team is that it appears completely jaded & demotivated. Moen Ali is an average spinner and every Ranji team has somebody of this calibre but the Indian team seems to have developed a weakness against the offie. Secondly, some cahnges are needed - Stauart Binny played a match saving innings but was replaced quickly. Ashwin was picked and used as trhe fifth bowler and hardly used against left handers. Aaron should have been picked ahead of Pankaj Singh. The team should be selected on performance & form and not on past record. Otherwise, we can ask Gavaskar & Dravid to play for the team. Surely, Kohli, & perhaps, Pujara must make way for others - even if they have to be flown in from India.

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    This is totally illogical that one team wins only in its Home Ground and world start saying that team as 'world champion' ? Just to give one world cup to Indian Team in the presence of Sachin and Dhoni, ICC conducted 2011 WC in India. And according to BCCI, India have world's best batsmen in the past and in present also. All Indians should see Score card of 4th Test match between England and India now before saying anything

  • CandidIndian on August 10, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    Well there is nothing left to comment on India's performance, we were completely outplayed yet again by England. So many congratulations to England fans, hopefully next match will be competitive, cheers guys.

  • karthik_ig on August 10, 2014, 4:40 GMT

    Hello MSD, Its reallly hurting for us to see our team losing so badly. In overseas, If we are winning we win by thin margins and If we lose we lose by huge margin..

    We could have played sensibly on saturday as forecast was rain throughout the day and could have saved the test. I dont know why Dhoni was in attacking mood instead of playing safely and take the game till sunday...

    People who call sachin is not a match winner..remember he never failed contiously in 3/4 matches.there would be an innings some substance atleast once in 3 matches..These youngsters fail and having their lean patches for so long..dont call virat as new sachin..sachin is irreplacable...

    BCCI should definitely need to some measures to improve our overseas performance..like encouraging and developing more fast bowlers..developing seaming and wickets for domestic matches..More India A and under 19 tours..make players to get decent first class experience before international debut.

  • Kirk_Levin on August 10, 2014, 4:39 GMT

    really proud of our boys. always knew this would beat this indian side. too much media hype.

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:38 GMT

    INDIANS are the paper tigers Only good on Paper. and cant Overseas. accept SL. BD OR ZIMB.

  • Paddy_CSK on August 10, 2014, 4:33 GMT

    Well do England good come back. India should drop Pankaj Singh, Virat Kohli,Gambhir & Ravindra Jadeja for next test match and they have to bring back Rohit Sharma/Stuart Binny,Ishanth Sharma, Naman Ojha & Mohammed Shami. Evan thay can open batting with Aishwin. Atleast he can stay in the crease for Min 10-15 overs. Indian players are not trying to learn from mistake its main issue in the series. Best example is Virat Kohli, most of time he was got out in the slip.

  • rajagopalann on August 10, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    seems dhoni is adamant to lose the test even before it began.otherwisea seamer favouring conditions he would not have elected to bat.secondly when he does not want to use Ashwin what is the logic in selecting him what he wants to prove?jadeja is a better bowler?Jadeja may be good in 20 over matches.in test he is an unfit cricketer.Ashwin proved he is a better all rounder to jadeja.but ashwin given 14 oversonly.till Bcci realise dhoni unfit to lead in tests even God cannt save Indian cricket.But BCCI love Dhoni more than our country.England is a weaker test nation and this srilanka proved recently .Indian selectors to bring a good wkt keeper batsman and dhoni to be dropped from test team

  • Giant-Guru on August 10, 2014, 4:30 GMT

    I just don't know if I should congratulate England, as it less for their efforts than the lack of interest to play from Indian side that gave a test win on a platter, exactly the same way as England did at Lord's.

    India were all out in 46.3 overs in 1st and 43 overs in the 2nd innings, how can the overrated Millionaire Indian players justify this. The team is accounatble to the country and its fans without which BCCI will not get a chance to show its muscles at international level. The board shows its muscles but forgot a basic lesson that teams and not the boards rule that earn respect for the playing country.

    As an Indian fan I want to see Kohli, Gambhir, Pujara, Jadeja, Pankaj go and the other reserve players sitting on bench to play. If you have to get out within 50 overs then why not rest these overrated players.

    Finally when a team is composed of players from IPL and other 20/20 formats, you can't expect them to play 100+ overs, they are mentally still in IPL mode.

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    Let Ashwin to bat before Dhoni and Jadeja...........at least India can stop collapsing

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    @big_poppa_94 because the test cricket is gentleman's game boss.

  • Sniper on August 10, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    Though the ECB put a counter charge on Jadeja and saved Anderson, Team India lost in 3 days and made the ECB lose money on this Test. Ultimately it is the game of cricket which lost with Broad in the hospital and Kohli's reputation completely spoilt. Team India' s poor performance is a result of bad team selection and poor captaincy. Sniper

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    @Thotful ...........your thoughtful comments are appreciated

  • Nuwas on August 10, 2014, 4:26 GMT

    Jeez.... very well done England.... I just fell in love with yall guys.... India you should consider playing Ashwin & other bowlers at top. Congratz again England...

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:26 GMT

    What are we good against-Pace or Spin? There is no self discipline among the players when they play for the country. The are the best in IPL!

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:22 GMT

    I would remove Dhoni and Duncan from team set up test matches period! After Winning at Lords , Dhoni was over the moon as if series won 5-0 too immature celebrations, sin third test he was just going through motions as if test series has won!! his handling fast bowlers in foreign conditions is pathetic. Now India has lost around 11-12 tests under him, and still the elitist board stick with him!! His attitude transferring to all the new players and killing their potential as well!

  • cktspirit on August 10, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    Surprisingly, there does not seem to be a contest even. Is it the same Indian team that batted and bowled in the first two tests ?

    Losses are acceptable, but disappointing to see teams going down even without a fight.

  • Proteas_Power on August 10, 2014, 4:15 GMT

    @thozar- SL is way better team than India. You also know it but you can't accept it I know!! You know in 2014 who are the top 3 run scorers in test cricket? All are Lankans. I know they played more tests than any other nations but the way they played is just a treat to watch. Not like Ind batsmen who were got out on 3 4 5 runs in an Inns. Look at Mathews his Avg. is 2nd best after Sir Don Bradman. I know there is no comparison btwn Sir Don & him but compare him with your legends then you see the diff. Yes we were never win a test in Oz so what, neither you win a series there. Do you wanna say that ur team will beat Oz in next tour to down under after 3 months. Include Sanga Mathews in ur team then ur team will able to give some fight to Johnson, Harris , Pattinson, Siddle or their other pacers. I desperately waiting a drubbing of ur team down under. Give a reply if you can…

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:15 GMT

    So now everyone knows the source of doni's massive luck - the source of his luck is the great form of other players in his team, if they do poorly then no wins for doni. In the last couple of years he was winning almost every matches and in most of those matches kohli, pujara, dhawan, vijay, bhuvi, ishanth etc played extremely well and if they play he wins otherwise he cannot win. Now they are not performing well and he loses. He missed a simple run out chance in this test and he did not go for a catch too and his wicket keeping is not good too. He seems to be getting some runs but these runs are obtained when it looked like the team will lose anyway, such runs can be hit by kohli or pujara too if they come in the lower order and when it looks like aggressive batting is the only option then they too can hit some fast runs so do not read too much into some runs he hits in this test or similarly in some other tests.

  • CaseyWilliamOZ on August 10, 2014, 4:10 GMT

    excuses from indian fans is really funny. lol. hard to believe india with a 1.2 billion cricket mad people with so many players to choose from, still get hammered this way consistently. it's not like india is winning Golds at the Olympics or taking part in the Fifa world cup. but don't worry kuz. west-indies series coming up at home so back to what you guys are familiar with; dust bowls.

  • legfinedeep on August 10, 2014, 4:08 GMT

    Greatest_Game on (August 10, 2014, 3:06 GMT) >>> excellent post defeating Thozar's assertion that Morkel, Steyn and company were hit all over the park by India, when they fared abysmally in India. What kind of tinted glasses do some fans watch games with that they think their team was dominating when they failed miserably on the tour. Great posts, keep them coming.

  • on August 10, 2014, 4:07 GMT

    well done home tigers head of super three. To play cricket is different than Using money or large market to be best.

  • Greatest_Game on August 10, 2014, 4:04 GMT

    Today Zimbabwe would have thrashed India - no question about that. The Zimbabwean batsmen, right down to the tail, showed greater determination, focus, and positive intent. The much-vaunted Indian batting simply folded like a rag doll. If you think I am exaggerating, look only at the performance in this series of Zimbabwean Gary Ballance, playing for England!

    Zimbabwe is the poorest of the test playing countries. India is the richest. Zimbabwe could not afford DRS for their test, and sadly had a few bad decisions go against them. DRS would have given a few lives to their batsmen. However, even DRS could not have saved India from abject defeat - although Pujara would have liked it!

    Until India fix their broken system, and do justice to their immense reservoir of cricketing talent, there is very good reason why Zimbabwe will be a more respected test team. All of Indian cricket's riches, and all the IPL bling, fool no one: India cannot successfully play test cricket outside the SC.

  • Lion_Wallaby on August 10, 2014, 3:49 GMT

    @thozar: I know it hurts man!! But your team lost twice in this year against SL! you are losing to that team we won in all formats in their own backyard.When we toured SA last time we won 1 test and 2 odi's but you won nothing! so no need to say again and again who the superior team is!!!

  • SachinRao on August 10, 2014, 3:47 GMT

    India capitulating to a part time spinner in english conditions is unforgivable. We need to get in Lalchand Rajput as the coach as he has been excellent with India A. We should get Praveen Amre as the batting/asst. coach. This team surely needs to have a psychologist for an extended period of time. God knows why Aaron and Ashwin were on the bench so long. We should open with Rahane and Naman Ojha needs to be drafted in the squad in place of Gambhir / Kohli. We need to attack with 5 bowlers and go all out for a win.

  • BenGridley on August 10, 2014, 3:45 GMT

    You can make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day, India simply weren't good enough. They haven't been outside their home for decades. England and India batted and bowled on the same pitch but look at the result. Shame on you. 3-1 series win to us. Good on ya lads

  • bootlicker on August 10, 2014, 3:44 GMT

    Which one is the better team in test, IND or SL

  • bootlicker on August 10, 2014, 3:43 GMT

    India got what they deserve. Well done ENG.

  • RK.Chandru on August 10, 2014, 3:41 GMT

    Let's forget a raw, useless cricketer for the moment. enough of talking about useless stuff. lets's talk cricket here and not north/south or caste politics. Indians were nailed in the coffin under 3 days. That's the matter of more concern than the behaviour of an illiterate cricketer and how the literates should defend him as he's a test prodigy...

  • El_Toro_Loco on August 10, 2014, 3:41 GMT

    @ Rajesh_india_1990: Team India rarely wins and mostly loses LOLz. Time to drop Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan, Dhoni & bring in 10dulka, Dravid, Gavasakr & Kapil. May be they can avoid innings defeat wit in 3 days & stretch to day 4. Hahaha

  • Lion_Wallaby on August 10, 2014, 3:38 GMT

    @Arun Bose: Please take cricket as a sport. It is not the end of the world. I can remember once Saga said when he ran out of partners when he was on 199 that there are loads of things that are more important than running out partners on 199. Cricket is a lovely sport for the entertainment! you play hard and you win and sometimes you lose. But more importantly its a sport. if we understand that fans will not pelt stones at cricketers when they lose! fans will not burn or suicide them self. For god sake its a sport! Please enjoy the world of sport! respect all other teams too!!

  • on August 10, 2014, 3:38 GMT

    Pathetic................. Just try to learn from Sri Lanka on How to fight on a Test Match..................... Application is what matters in Test Matches........... All wanted Sachi, Viru & Dravid out for youngsters....... Now what has happened, Don't jump the gun.

  • Thotful on August 10, 2014, 3:32 GMT

    Don't despair Indian fans. Top 7 positives out of this match - 7. Indians' empathy for spectators' comfort - finished the game before bad weather came in. 6. Pankaj Singh finally picked up not one but two wickets! 5. Gone are the days when an opposition could blow away the Indian batsmen with sheer pace alone. They now have to think of other options - like a part time off spinner to run through the Indian innings! 4. Got back at the heartless organizers who crammed in 2 test matches in 2 weeks. Both teams now get 2 extra days of complete rest - take that ECB! 3. Ashwin strengthens the tail; top order can continue playing care free cricket! 2. Helped England get over the long lingering questions surrounding the exclusion of Kevin Pieterson! 1. Grand plan for future of test cricket; finished the match in 2 1/2 days. Next - if England will declare earlier India will get out well within 50 overs. And eventually fit a test match within 3 hours so as to include it in the IPL!

  • BhaskarHajong on August 10, 2014, 3:30 GMT

    Well done England. This bully bcci and team India deserve it! Indian players are unprofesional. 3-1 in favour of England would be a fair result!

  • CheerforUnderdogs on August 10, 2014, 3:27 GMT

    It hurts to see such defeat... We were not expetcing series win but wanted to see some application from batsman. Current Indian team lacks temerament for TEST cricket and good for T20 only. MAy be time to build altogether different teams for TEST. As most of the team composure will remai same for ODIs, not expecting different results in ODIs as well.

  • Greatest_Game on August 10, 2014, 3:22 GMT

    @ thozar is reading the wrong stats, and writes "… we still trounced England in their favorite ground where they have not lost for several years. I read that the last time they lost a test at Lord's was in the 2005 Ashes."

    I don't know where you read this, but it seems to have left you completely misinformed about modern cricket history. In 2012, when SA took the Mace from England, the final match, which SA won, was at lords. Two years ago - not nine years ago!

    Try statsguru - it will help you avoid making hopelessly incorrect statements, which unfortunately creates the appearance of ignorance, something I'm sure you wish to avoid.

    This search took me about 1 minute.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;ground=10;orderby=start;result=2;spanmin1=1+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;team=1;template=results;type=team;view=results

  • on August 10, 2014, 3:21 GMT

    The main problem with Indian team currently is the mindset. No Indian batsmen seemed to be in control of his shots while on the crease. Ashwin and Bhubaneshwar played some classic shots rather than the top order batsman. But I still have belief that Oval will bring some change to this highly criticised Indian team.

  • niazbhi on August 10, 2014, 3:19 GMT

    Moeen is so crucial to England. Whenever Cook gave him the ball he did well. If Moeen does not do that, most team have to play cautiously in Anderson's opening spell and hope its not one of those days that Broad will fire up. If Cook becomes a wicket taking bowler England can play Woakes, Plunkett and Stokes even Finn to figure out who plays well. England still do not have a reliable opening pair though. But long tail will help England out.

  • jmcilhinney on August 10, 2014, 3:19 GMT

    @_-Will-_ on (August 10, 2014, 2:56 GMT), I would agree that the IPL is an issue for Indian players but the issue is not as simple as just the fact that they're playing it. For overseas players in general, they are removed from the hype of IPL while the competition itself is not going on while Indian players are surrounded by it all the time. Because it is the BCCI's competition and a big money-spinner, those Indian players would be concentrating on IPL specifically far more than players from other countries. In the case of players from SA and Australia, their boards also seem to place far more importance on Test cricket than the BCCI do. Even though Australia have the BBL, there's still a lot more emphasis on Test cricket in Australia than there seems to be in India.

  • Ramansilva on August 10, 2014, 3:19 GMT

    Where are the Indian fans who bash other teams? Don't be disheartened guys. You can be happy with your team's improvements. India could score 9 more runs than the first innings. There were six ducks in the first innings but only one in the second innings. Kohli could even score seven runs in the second innings. So cheer up guys.

  • on August 10, 2014, 3:18 GMT

    Surely this sort win was not even expected by englishmen... what an irony, batsmen coming from land of spin were not able to play Moeen ali....with due respect to ali, indian batmen just as miserable as they could be!!!! My team for next match- vijay, gambhir, pujara, kohli, rahane, dhoni, aswin, aaron, bhuvi, ishant, rohit sharma!! My doubt is why selectors always neglect amit mishra as spinner!! guess he does not have support like jadeja have from dhoni.....wish BCCI,instead of just making money , starts to promote test matches and promote test players rather than just promoting IPL....

  • on August 10, 2014, 3:18 GMT

    Time to change Test captaincy,Dhoni should not captain Test captain aus series

  • Edassery on August 10, 2014, 3:17 GMT

    Some of our top order batsmen are NOT technically sound to play anywhere outside the subcontinent. To be frank, Ashwin and Bhuvaneshwar Kumar have better technique than some of them. People like Dhawan, Rohith Sharma, Vijay etc are good only for Indian flat pitches and with Kohli totally out of form, there's no respite in the vicinity for this team!

  • lazyone on August 10, 2014, 3:10 GMT

    India has won many world tournaments because they were always provided pitches suit to them even in foreign countries. But in bilateral series they don't have that luxury and get beaten easily. I will not be surprised if India will go a long way in next world cup because they will be provided conditions suit to them due to their off field power

  • Greatest_Game on August 10, 2014, 3:06 GMT

    @ thozar claims "Our young players like Kohli and Pujara smashed Steyn, Philander, Morkel all around the park in their home."

    Absolute rubbish. India did not win a single match in SA. Except for 1 test, Indian batsmen failed.

    In the 1st test India didn't smack Morkel around. He took 3 for 34 @ Econ 1.47 in India's 1st knock, & in their 2nd he was injured. Still, with 10 men, SA were 8 runs short of the highest 4th innings chase in history. India barely escaped a crushing loss, & the embarrassment of conceding the highest chase in tests! SA won the 2nd test by 10 wickets!!!

    India were crushed in ODIs! SA won by 141 & 134 runs: rain saved India in the 3rd. Except Dhoni no Indian batsman averaged over 28. Kohli managed 15.5, just like in England. Little Quinton de Kock averaged 114, with 3 centuries. India, supposed ODI champs, were all out in 41 & 35 overs.

    Stop reinventing history. The truth is that India's batsmen failed in SA, like they are in England. India WON NOTHING in SA!!!!

  • on August 10, 2014, 3:04 GMT

    This match given more negatives than positives. Positives are arron and ashwin; dont know y they were on bench for 3 matches. opening is big problem in recent past, guess pujara should open innings and virat should come in at no.3 also jadeja be replaced by sharma. Still dont understand y india not going old way of 5 bowlers theory out of sun continent.

  • lazyone on August 10, 2014, 3:00 GMT

    Kohli is a good player in flat trackes and spin friendly wickets. He has chased down many big scores in ODIs when other team scored 300+ runs. It means the pitch is flat. In this English conditions his true ability is exposed.

  • salil247 on August 10, 2014, 3:00 GMT

    @CodandChips- Yes, you never said that lack of DRS was hurting India more. I was disgusted with the performance of India's top order, and in that frustration I lashed out without reading your comment properly. My apologies.

  • on August 10, 2014, 2:57 GMT

    I seriously pondered over the Indian cricket team's inconsoloable and inexcusable showdown in the 4th Test.After brainstorming and weighing pros and cons,I have come up with certain strategies and tactis which our team must apply and execute in the final test match,in ofer to save themselves from inexplicable disgrace. First and foremost,the team must go for the imminent change by resting M.S.Dhoni not just from captaincy but also from the next match.The rationale behind the bold move is that he looks tired and demotivated to lead the team.His resting will help me shape up his bad time and come up with something special for the upcoming ODI series. Secondly,R.Ashwin should be given the charge to lead the side.He has emerged out as better player and looks high on his confidence. Further,the team should be flexible and willing to make shuffling in batting order as per the need of the hour,instead of sticking to planned schedule.

  • _-Will-_ on August 10, 2014, 2:56 GMT

    Just an observation:

    Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel, A.B De Villiers, David Warner, Michael Clarke, Mitchell Johnson, Steven Smith, Angelo Matthews, Faf Du Plessis, Ross Taylor...

    The above is just a short list of current test cricketers who have played in the IPL. Their levels of involvement are variable, but suffice to say their involvement has been more than casual. All of the above can be considered excellent test cricketers that would surely be welcome in any test team.

    There is probably something to the argument that IPL is ruining Indian test players, but, strangely enough, others seem to be immune. Therefore the argument is not water tight.

    There is no singular reason for India's terrible and shameful test legacy. Others and I have posted our thoughts on the possible reasons and solutions in various threads over time. No point repeating.

    Until our board and administrators are brutally honest in their analyses and begin to act accordingly, we can only expect more of the same.

  • black_bird on August 10, 2014, 2:45 GMT

    Why bash virat kohli. Yesterday he was your god, and now he is one of the most hated person in india?. Why?. he is the best batsman india has ever produced. Even tendulkar had some bad form. why you can't tolerate the greatest batsman kohli's 1 match, without century. The real thing is, india let england win this match to make the last test match exciting. Otherwise, england would have innings defeat. And remember england is playing at home too. India whitewashed everyone at home. It has been too long when india lost a test series either at home or abroad. They will not loose this series too.

  • ObliKrish on August 10, 2014, 2:44 GMT

    When a Ball is swinging more than we expected and Team struggles to face it , MS-DHONI a Captain has of India Has to Promote his Batting order and needs to boost up the confidence to his team mates... he needs to take a brave decision and has to come One or Two step ahead...He always plays at No.5 or 6.. What is the Use... atleast needs to change the Team... He Can Bring in NAMAN OJHA for Virat Kohli... else he must sent Ashwin Up in the order and Kohli should bat as a Dead end Batsmen..Dhoni did nothing.. As Ganguly said, Captaining the Test side is not so easy..Its an Art...

    What a highlight is Struggling against the spinners...

  • madnayar on August 10, 2014, 2:42 GMT

    Well done Engalnd team though it is not a great team. It is perplexing why the Indian batsmen from the home of spin are losing badly against Moeen who is a new comer in the spinner's world. Eight miserable failures for India's most advertised successor to Tendulkar and Kohli seems least bothered as his place in the team is assured.And what is Jadeja doing in the team ? batsman ? bowler? or onlooker? Only Dhoni can answer that. Groom Aaron into a good quickie and he may prove useful for future.

  • ListenToMe on August 10, 2014, 2:42 GMT

    Enough is enough. I don't have any hopes about this Indian team. Losing is Ok, but losing like this just means they are sub-standard. There is a minimum standard for a team to be called as a good one. I cannot support this team anymore. I know Pujara and Rahane are good batsmen and they should be given more ch. But what about others? A player should be selected based on his performance abroad in A team matche.s Jadeja is not a good test player. India needs to find a good spinner. With this team India cannot win any match outside the subcontinent. The only good bowler India has is Bhuvi. All others are inconsistent. We need to have different teams for tests and ODIs. Kohli should be rested. Jadeja and Dhawan are ODI batsmen and should be out of tests. Gambhir or Rohit should be given more chances. You need to have atleast two good consistent bowlers to win test matches. Until India wins atleast two consecutive test matches, I will not watch Indian test matches. Bye.

  • on August 10, 2014, 2:36 GMT

    I feel Indian batting under pressure performing badly..In the first innings they failed because of unplayable swing conditions under overseas conditions and in second innings due to surmount lead in that pitch ..this is the psychology..team selection definitely has its role in players mindset. going in with 4+1 bowling combo as I kept saying from the start of the series is lacking players confidence in performing with bat..pankaj selection has struck a huge imbalance in the bowing.. clearly looking forward team for next match- vijay, dhawan, pujara, rahane, kohli or naman ojha (utter lose of confidence from kohli not able to leave the balls outside offstump), Dhoni, ashwin, bhuvi, Aaron, shami, ishwar pandey.. This is the team definitely capable of getting a draw with more confident approach in batting , definitely not to succumb under pressure when they lose previous player wkt losing wkts in clusters should never be seen..I believe definitely series draw is more than pos.....

  • on August 10, 2014, 2:34 GMT

    We cry for replacements what happens? Gambir comes and does not justify. Ashwin shines as a batsmand while a trundller of similar wares Ali takes tonnes of wickets. Jaddu the all rounder neither bowls nor bats. Virat looks like a rattled rat in the midst of 11 cats. Pujara is too defensiive always probably admiring his difensive prods and striving to hone out his skills in the middle rather in the nets. Bowling looks too pedestrian and clueless. Because of lack of sting we shift to defensive tactics the moment a partnership crosses about 25. Precisely the match was tken away by Root and Butler when Eng was barely in the lead with 6 down. Butler comes in for Prior and justifies whereas all our replacements except Aaron have been pathetic. It is not possible to replace all the 11. With talent available, we may have seprerate teams for all three formats of the game. But T 20 is playing a spoil sport as could be seen from the lack of flight of our "spinners". Wither Inda???

  • _-Will-_ on August 10, 2014, 2:29 GMT

    Congratulations England, well played is probably an understatement. Thoroughly deserved win, especially so given the absence of Broad, the relative inexperience of Buttler, Woakes and Ali (for that matter, Ballance, Robson, Jordan aren't exactly seasoned veterans, neither is Root).

    There are simply no valid excuses for India's continued overseas failures. We just aren't good enough for this circuit. The only match we have won away in 3+ years was gifted to us on a platter. To believe it signified some sort of beginning of a new era was either foolish or deluded.

    I would like to dissociate myself from other Indian fans here who denigrate other teams and harp on about silverware in other formats. @Nutcutlet: totally agreed. This is a test series, references to other formats are irrelevant by default. Sri Lanka fought hard through every minute of both test matches. Pakistan have been playing with a significant handicap since 2009. Meanwhile, India languish in luxury.

    Shame on India

  • nathankathiravan7 on August 10, 2014, 2:18 GMT

    Nothing to blame the team... it's a young Indian team. Still have to learn more. Moeen, Jimmy, Broad bowled exceptionally well again... Well played Eng & Co.

    Captain Cool make sensible decision... Stop testing with Pankaj, Jadeja... They are not that good for test level. If you stuck with guys for the next test... India would sure lose... Eng 170-6, these guys could not break partnership or just could contain them... England making merry of this guys... Realize it before going 3-1 in the series. Try to square the series with sensible decision making & team selection. Don't think out of the box. Keep it simple. Best of luck

    My Team : Gambhir, M Vijay, Rahane, Kholi, Pujara, N Ohja, Dhoni, Ashwin, V Aaron, B Kumar, I Sharma.

  • on August 10, 2014, 2:16 GMT

    Did the Indian top order big guns noticed the way Ashwin batted in both the innings. His techniques to deal both with the pace and spin was excellent. Humble request to Dhoni and Fletcher is that pls see these 2 innings of Ashwin, try to explore his batting skills and promote him to no. 4 or 5 in the final test and see the miracle of changes. Good luck to team india for a fighting comeback win in the final one at Oval and thereby shut down the murmurs of the Critics. Especially all the best to Kohli and Pujara.

  • thozar on August 10, 2014, 2:13 GMT

    Typical knee-jerk reactions. How was the Lord's win a fluke? If that is the case, then Sri Lanka's win in England was also a fluke. England's 2 wins were also flukes. Fact is India had their best bowler fit and firing in that game and some of the batsmen contributed like Rahane and Vijay. So despite not choosing the best XI we still trounced England in their favorite ground where they have not lost for several years. I read that the last time they lost a test at Lord's was in the 2005 Ashes. Unfortunately Ishant got injured and we slipped. But remember Ishant will be back for the final test and looks like Broad will not be playing. With the series and our pride at stake, I expect our players to put in a terrific performance. England do not have a great team too.

    Kohli and Pujara had a bad game, the latter also got a bad decision. So what? Every player goes through ups and downs. These players are class and you cannot keep them quiet for too long.

  • on August 10, 2014, 2:04 GMT

    irresponsible batting by the batsman. promote ashwin ahead of kohli in the next test. drop gambhir forever

  • Stat1977 on August 10, 2014, 2:02 GMT

    Can we have test matches revised to three days? I wasted my money for extra 02 days.

    India is only good at home.Pakistan and Sri lanka are much better teams than India.We enjoyed Eng -SL series though Eng got beaten.India is such an overrated team.Their fans are overly optimistic though!.They said India will whitewash England when SL did beat England.Poor fans need some reality check.152 and 161 are T20 scores.oh yes, that's what they are good at, THAT"S IPL!

  • on August 10, 2014, 1:59 GMT

    How can Dhoni & Kohli persist with this performance! pls drop Ashwin, he's a poor cricketer! Their tag will be remained as 'flat track bullies'.

  • Greatest_Game on August 10, 2014, 1:53 GMT

    @ thinkgood advises "Let us keep balance here and see the problem was not with the Indian team , but with certain individuals who failed to perform."

    Would those individuals be all the players in the Indian team who batted, bowled and fielded?

  • on August 10, 2014, 1:40 GMT

    Pluses for India in this match: - That Aaron geezer can take wickets... too bad you waited 3 matches to take him off the bench. - R Ashwin's your best batsman... too bad he's picked as a bowler and your captain didn't bowl him because he's in love with Jaddu

  • on August 10, 2014, 1:18 GMT

    As long as the IPL is there things wont change. I guess its a vacation after the IPL season. From now on i guess we will forget to win in home also. Indain cricket has taken a different direction from test cricket. Need to accept that. One win(because of england's stupidity for one hour) in 16 tests outside subcontinent( losing 12?) and still he will be the captain for the forseen future.That for me resembles mafia!

  • __PK on August 10, 2014, 1:07 GMT

    I'm afraid this headline invites ridicule for the author and the England team. Didn't Broad take 6 wickets in the first innings? So how, exactly, did ten men beat India? England got 6 wickets from this 11th man, so I'd say they definitely played 11. Or was Cook the missing man, given the paucity of his contribution recently?

  • PunterLivesOn on August 10, 2014, 1:06 GMT

    This series is becoming embarrassing for Virat Kohli. Barely 100 runs in eight innings is a paltry output. If he's searching for motivation to improve he could do worse than look at the batting stats of the man who is routinely dismissing him - Anderson has scored more runs than Kohli (at twice the average) in half the number of digs. Like David Warner he has, in the past, made a habit of promoting his own cause with immodest comments. Unlike Warner he has has suffered bouts of poor form. The time has come for him to stand up as a batsman capable of substantial innings. But I fear he is not capable of it.

  • on August 10, 2014, 1:04 GMT

    This is a best time to reconstruct the team of india...try to move aswin to kholi's batting position because he is the right person to come in that spot ...having damn good drive..pull shot..cut shot even flick ...most of the time his shots were in V's of the ground...kholi has to be rested for a while..even dinesh karthik should be in this line to make more flair in batting line up...

  • Lion_Wallaby on August 10, 2014, 1:01 GMT

    India is a very poor team there are no solid batsmen or wicket taking bowlers so the result was predictable for all cricket fans who have liitle knowledge about cricket other than blind fans like Arun Bose/ITJOBSUCKS/vkias.

    All these batsman are stoke players without solid defensive strokes which would not be successful outside India. most of these players would want to play ipl as it will give them more reward than playing test cricket. If Ipl was there 10-15 years back there want to be a Dravid/VVS playing for India. This IPL is not doing anything for India it will make BCCI/ICC and the players rich while ruing world cricket including indian cricket. In next 5-10 years this will proved to be right. mark my words.

    When you tour England preparation is the most important thing. You cannot suddenly get onto the flight and arrive and perform to win. SL of course went with loads of young players. in fact Captain Mathews was playing in Eng for the first time. But they prepared well.

  • MeijiMura on August 10, 2014, 0:39 GMT

    Following on from their meek surrender in the previous Test this result was entirely predictable and called by myself and many others ahead of time, but that still doesn't excuse Dhoni from winning the toss and batting in perfect bowling conditions. The lead-up to the Test had been poor weather-wise, the morning itself was delayed due to drizzle, the covers had been on the pitch for days beforehand and the sky was heavily overcast. Of course it was always going to swing. The Test was over inside the first hour when India were 4-8. They never recovered and even with a man down in Broad India were never in the match and just had no stomach for the fight in their second innings. If this is the sort of rubbish we have to put up with from the big three (India, England and Australia) playing each other all the time with only one team being world-class (Australia) then Test Cricket is well and truly dead and buried.

  • on August 10, 2014, 0:29 GMT

    To be honest..this was expected from this Indian line up.Without the capability to handle true test conditions and a captain without any clue about what he is doing, you just can't expect to win test series in foreign countries. Lords was just an exception. And in the first test the dead pitch was on their side. They should have performed much better with all the money, training and facilities they have and supossedly "the most powerful cricket board in the world".

  • jkaussie on August 10, 2014, 0:27 GMT

    I feel for the Indian supporters positing here, you would love to see your team compete and win test matches. But, the Indian players simply don't care.The BCCI is committed to the short formats as they make the money, and the players know this. So IPL and Intl T20's are where they focus. It is somewhat similar to the English Premier League soccer where players get paid ridiculous salaries to play in a local league but nothing much to play for their country - where would your focus lie? Where the most cash is I reckon. It's sad but it's the future of cricket so reap what you sow I'm afraid.

  • on August 10, 2014, 0:23 GMT

    Indian team lacked basic application of test-cricketing skills.They looked as if they were tired,sapless and mindless.They played rash and rubbish shots to hand over their wickets to the opponents as freebies.Its really disgusting to see that once insurmountable and hard-fought Indian team succumed to lack of will power and absence of fire power to survive and save the test match.They played so miserably as if they had taken defeat for granted.I really suspect if they are set up mentally and morally to walk down the ground to give any kind of fight and challenge to this formidable looking English team,for the final test match.They need to put their heads together and come up with something spectacular to prevent this English team from winning this series.

  • Siva_Bala75 on August 10, 2014, 0:23 GMT

    Ashwin's batting average is 41; his average playing in India is 43 and outside India is a healthy 38. We should try him as an opener and see what happens. Surely, India does not have much more to lose?!

  • Naresh28 on August 9, 2014, 23:59 GMT

    PATHETIC - terrible display by India. Well done England you outplayed India and deserved this win. Indian team and selectors need to have a thorough rethink. I feel that India should look at tall playersas batsman. How do the Indian batsman feel - Ashwin a bowler was the best batsman in this game.

  • on August 9, 2014, 23:54 GMT

    Every time people are saying and Indian captain too learn from y he mistakes what happened in 2011 is happening again so did they learn anything yet I believe they are still waiting to see some miracles would happen and the Indian players will learn by the end of the series or they will say the same thing as they said before we will see England when they will come to play on Indian soil

  • on August 9, 2014, 23:45 GMT

    Dhoni's decision to not bowl first on those overcast conditions clearly reflected his mindset. He does not have the confidence in his bowlers!! And the way he sets his fields to "restrict" - rather than attack - is costing India dearly. What Dhoni fails to realize is that in countries like England, SA, Australia and NZ, there is always something in the wicket or the conditions to get a batsman out. Letting the opposition get easy singles, not attacking a batsman thinking he is "set" etc., are truly hurting India. To lose to this skeleton English side - inside 2 days - should surely be the nail in the coffin for Dhoni the Test captain and Duncan Fletcher the coach.

  • NIPPY_89 on August 9, 2014, 23:40 GMT

    Not a single Indian player plays in any overseas domestic tournaments. This is the reason for being so out of depth playing overseas. They should at least participate in tournaments such as Big bash, Caribian t20, county cricket etc, just to get some match practice in those countries.

  • on August 9, 2014, 23:33 GMT

    If Ashwin can bat like this in the second innings, it is a shame to all other batsmen who could not apply themselves to score big. Please drop Jaddu for the next game, even Gambir who cannot do anything and ask Ashwin to open with Vijay or Rahane to open with Vijay. This will provide two spots to bring in Naman Ojha who has played so well in swinging conditions in Australia and anyone else form the reserve. It is not going to be any worse. I feel bad for Vijay. That decision could have gone either way.

  • on August 9, 2014, 23:26 GMT

    Well played England, next best thing the Indian team could do is just play rather to be called as big guns. Tendulkar was a master and if people who think kholi is next to him are wrong actually he is no where near to him. This class Indian batting line up is very good and will perform if someone will bring the Indian wickets in England and a hot sunny day with a very amount of less air and no overcast conditions and I guarantee you the same Indian line up will take the breath away from English players, but since this could not happen all they can do is hope that if someone in their batting will spark and keep sparking. many many congratulations to England team on their fantastic victory. keep going the good game. Cheers Boys

  • on August 9, 2014, 23:07 GMT

    It's clear now. Indian cricket needs a complete overhaul. From selection to captain to team members, India needs a change badly.

  • KeepitHonest on August 9, 2014, 23:01 GMT

    Step #1 in fixing India's problems: DROP JADEJA. Everything else will sort itself out. Pick: Vijay, Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, (6th bat not available in 18 man squad), Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Aaron (if Ishant not available)

  • on August 9, 2014, 22:57 GMT

    Team for test 5.

    1. M. Vijay 2. Pujara 3. Rahane 4. V. Kohli 5. S. Binny 6. MS Dhoni 7. R. Jadeja 8. R. Ashwin 9. B Kumar 10. I Sharma 11. V Aaron

  • kbza86 on August 9, 2014, 22:54 GMT

    This is the classic problem with India. no one wants to acknowledge the performance of the opposition. .and everyone still thinks that the bowling attack is fantastic!!! fact of the matter is that the Indian cricket team is not good enough...frankly abysmal. ..1st is a captain who doesn't have a technique, 2nd is overrated batsmen at 2,3,6...is this really the best bowling attack that can come from a billion people?? Thanks England for shutting up these very average test cricketers...

  • Fifthman on August 9, 2014, 22:52 GMT

    @Priyantha Gunaratna - good comments. Agree entirely. SL showed fight and application, not misplaced bravado and machismo as some of Indian team have done. It's scandalous that SL only got a 2 test series and India got 5. At least it should have been 3 Tests SL, 4 Tests India. Money talks, I guess.

  • Mervo on August 9, 2014, 22:49 GMT

    India will either have amnesia or a completely new team to recover from this drubbing. And Australia is to come. Mitchell Johnson and the other young Aussie (really) fast bowlers will be licking their lips now. Moeen Ali has seemed a better spinner that any of the Indian spinners in this series and he is no world beater. Some deep soul searching for India. They can maintain an illusion of confidence by saying 'at home we ..." but their fans will know this is not the answer in this world game. They need to change the character of some of their wickets at club, domestic and international level to develop fast bowlers like Arun and greater confidence among their batsmen on wickets with some bounce and seam. These are not 'alien' conditions, but reflect the world game. This may seem like a brave move, but in the medium term it will produce a team that is far stronger and more successful internationally.

  • CurrentPresident on August 9, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    I wouldn't fault only Dhoni for this loss - he has much less control over what a batsman does in the middle.

    Bowling-wise, yes he did persist with Pankaj and Jadeja at the wrong times, letting the batsmen settle before Aaron could have a go at them. But the main cause were the batsmen.

    As I mentioned before, I hope it is not a dressing room situation playing out in the middle. When quality batsmen get out to stupid shots or lack of application, questions do arise.

    On the single positive side, English batsmen will now have even more doubts hooking or pulling Aaron. It is up to India to exploit it.

  • Hardy1 on August 9, 2014, 22:32 GMT

    Unfortunately for India, cricket loving nation though we may be, it's looking like our best generation of players (Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Ganguly, Laxman, Kumble, Zaheer, Harbhajan) may have come & gone & even they were a distant 3rd best to Australia & South Africa in their time.

  • vish2020 on August 9, 2014, 22:31 GMT

    Fire the coach and all of the staff. Bring in Indian coach. Enough of this foreign coaches. Why does India A always does well on foreign tours with Indian coaches?? It's time to bring our own. Second get rid of dhoni from tests. ODI AND T20 he is great but tests he has been done for a year. Drop some players like Dhawan, pankaj, jadeja from tests. What's the worst that could happen? We could lose in 3 days?? Oh wait...

  • on August 9, 2014, 22:27 GMT

    That was an abject performance from India for the second Test on the trot. No pride, you cannot see them, on this evidence, having a hope of causing England any problems at the Oval. What a change since Lord's.

  • Nutcutlet on August 9, 2014, 22:15 GMT

    To any number of Indians who seem to draw comfort from reciting the list of WC wins and T20 triumphs that India has achieved over the years to block out the pain (and yes, often humiliation too) of abject Test defeats: such comments are, IMO, invalid on a thread that is to do with Test cricket. You do not find this confusion of formats with contributions from more informed supporters, from India or anywhere else. The editing (i.e. the vetting) of these posts is an erratic business, but I do know that it seems odd to me that such post are let through. What do they contribute to the debate? That surely has to be a major criterion for publication. But what do I know?

  • SpaMaster on August 9, 2014, 22:11 GMT

    Oh please, by all means criticize the Indian team. But don't shoot from your hips all over. The game got over with more than an hour remaining due to the collective failure of the top-5 batsmen. Dhoni's batting or Bhuvnesh Kumar's running has nothing to do with it. Given the situation Dhoni decided to play a counter-attacking innings as there were just 2-3 wickets left. Bhuvnesh Kumar's run out was Ashwin's fault. Ashwin is notorious for his running between the wickets and calls. Ashwin being the non-striker took off well ahead of Bhuvnesh Kumar and was easily able to turn back for the second run. He did not realize he was not the one going to the danger end, he called and took off. Bhuvnesh Kumar really had no chance than run really. Either he runs and gets out or asks Ashwin to go back in which case Ashwin would have been run out. If he had been a proper batsman he would have said no to Ashwin right away, but he is a no.9 batsman who is doing a service batting like a batsman.

  • on August 9, 2014, 22:10 GMT

    Was so good viewing this test match, we utterly destroyed India! It just proves the point that India are pretty poor outside of Asia! they are going to get destroyed down under!

  • D.S.A on August 9, 2014, 22:06 GMT

    India's next XI should be: 1. Murali Vijay, 2. Gautam Gambhir, 3. Cheteshwar Pujara, 4. Ajinkya Rahane, 5. Naman Ojha, 6. Mahendra Singh Dhoni, 7. Ravichandran Ashwin, 8. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 9. Varun Aaron, 10. Ishwar Pandey, 11. Pankaj Singh. Virat should be dropped due to gross non-performance, Ajinkya should be promoted, Naman and Ishwar deserve an overseas Test match to prove what they can do in Test match cricket.

  • on August 9, 2014, 21:51 GMT

    Indian got it all wrong in team selection. The first 17 and the final,11 in all the matches. For how long is Dhoni going to last doing what he has been- no thinking forget about strategic thinking. The win at Lords came against the run of play. But the defensive tactics to keep the lead going cost India the match at Southampyon. At Manchester it was gloom written all over from the first ball. If you take away the two sessions that was lost on day two, the match here was lost in two days and one session on day three. Less than 200 overs were bowled at Manchester. India needs to think right- right from use of DRS to team selection. One man, Dhoni, should not be allowed all the powers to decide. In fact it's time Dhoni moved away from test matches and focussed on T20s. Sorry, this team deserved to lose. Look at players like Ghambir, Jadeja, etc. Are they any worth in the team at all.? Instead let's lose with bettr prospect players - Rayudu, Sanju Samson, ET all. Lose we will anyways.

  • Stumay on August 9, 2014, 21:40 GMT

    I wonder who the Indians are going to try and get banned for the last test? Moeen Ali might be the obvious choice but now come to think of it, bannjng Kohli might be more profirable for them. Perhaps they could claim they saw him pushing someone over?

  • Pindia on August 9, 2014, 21:30 GMT

    All India had to do was bat out the day with a few batsmen to come out between the rain on Sunday and Monday. Pathetic batting, but also England have had some luck with tosses/decisions. The Oval match should be interesting. India really need another couple of batting options. Surprising the batting is more of a concern than the bowling. With a bit of luck and batting first they should still have a chance to level the series. Shows what a remarkable feat Sri Lanka pulled off by winning the test, one day and T20 series earlier this summer. India look to be the third best (test) team from Asia at present...

  • on August 9, 2014, 21:28 GMT

    One cannot compare a 2-test SL series with a 5-test series. If this was a 2-test series India would have won too like SL. Every team has ups and downs. England was once at number one and now stands at number five.

    BCCI did not become rich by winning games. It became rich because Indians spend money to watch the games, be it an IPL, an ODI, a test match or a TV broadcast. If you watched NZ games one would realize that a local match attracts more people than a test match in NZ.

    Yes, India made a mistake of not using DRS, and it hurt them in every single match including today when Pujara was given out wrongly. Who knows had he stayed a little longer it would have at least delayed the inevitable.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 21:24 GMT

    For the next Test, England could make the following changes:

    ? for Robson Finn for Broad Stokes for Woakes Plunkett for Jordan

    Not sure who the opener can be. Probably Lyth or Hales? But the bowling attack of Anderson, Finn, Stokes, Plunkett and Ali should be quite a force.

    On the India side, I would suggest putting the names of all the players (plus anybody from India A or Ranji Trophy teams etc.,) into a hat and drawing 11 names at random. That team would be as good as well as any formally selected team!

  • AFanOfGoodCricket on August 9, 2014, 21:24 GMT

    Another abject surrender by the spineless team. This has to go down as the worst defeat for any team. I have been following Indian cricket for quite many years and this would rate by far as the worst defeat ever across any format and for any test playing nation. Cant believe what I have seen especially considering that the next 2 days could have been rained out and they just needed to bat out the day to have a chance of saving the test. Cant seem to understand how Jadeja gets a place in the team and why we persist with the same underperforming batsmen. I think my company team would have fared much much better than these superstars.

  • on August 9, 2014, 21:18 GMT

    Mr Dhoni if u cant handel d pressure plz I as an Indian cricket fan request U to step down n give options to young players. Mr. Dhoni INDIAN cricket team is nt as CSK. Kindy remember ds do d needful ASAP

  • thozar on August 9, 2014, 21:16 GMT

    Lankan fans before coming and telling us how great ur team was because they won in Eng should tell us how does it make them a better team than us. Have you even won 1 test in India? You have not won a single test in Oz either. How long has Lanka been playing cricket. It is shameful that they don't know how to win even 1 test in India and Australia. And you will never win. Because your so-called greats like Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Murali are just overrated cricketers who are not world class. Our young players like Kohli and Pujara smashed Steyn, Philander, Morkel all around the park in their home while ur so called greats lost to them at home. Ur team also lost home series to Oz. So, stop boasting and see if and how you can win ur series against Pak. Even now if India play Sri Lanka anywhere, we will win. Remember all the thrashings in all formats that we handed out to you.

  • on August 9, 2014, 20:24 GMT

    First of all Congratulations to England Team, well done, Specially M.Ali who trashed indian Team, Keep it Up

  • fr600 on August 9, 2014, 20:21 GMT

    That's an amazing result. Happy for England.lol

  • jmcilhinney on August 9, 2014, 20:21 GMT

    @JG2704 on (August 9, 2014, 19:12 GMT), I thought at the time that India may have been better off putting England in but it's interesting that Cook says that he would have batted first too. Maybe India didn't expect Anderson and Broad to bowl as well as they did. Maybe they expected to lose a few wickets early but last until conditions for batting improved and they could get runs on the board to put England under pressure. Their second innings capitulation suggests that it may not have mattered whether they batted or bowled first, although they may have had more chance of dismissing England cheaply if they had the best of the bowling conditions first up.

  • on August 9, 2014, 20:20 GMT

    I feel that India is underestimating Moen Ali. Dhoni said that best way to playing Moen is by attacking him. But it seems everytime India try to attack him they get out. Pujara's and Kohli's form is a big concern. I feel that the team is not gaining anything by playing them. So for the next match I would rather play Rohit in place of one of them. India should maybe revert back to 7 batsmen strategy. There is no point playing 2 spinners. Jadeja's batting technique isn't suitable for tests so I would rather include Ashwin. They should also consider bringing in Naman Ojha. Maybe he can also do the keeping and Dhoni can have a rest and just be a fielder. I have never liked Ishant Sharma but for the first time in my life I think Indian bowling attack is missing him. 5th Test XI: Vijay, Gambhir, Pujara/Kohli, Rahane, Rohit, Naman(wk), Dhoni(c), Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar, Varun/Pankaj/ Shami, Ishant

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 20:00 GMT

    (continued)

    Perhaps Cook should give up the ODI captaincy to relieve pressure and give him time to work on his game and have a rest.

    Also bar Broad, Anderson and Jordan, the other bowlers will not play ODIs. Hopefully between Stokes, Plunkett, Finn, Woakes and a couple of county bowlers there will be enough for the West Indies.

    Finally a decision has to be made re Buttler. Cricket in every month. Do we want that much pressure on Butter? Look what happened to Root last year. Perhaps we need to decide which format(s) Buttler vest serves the side. Perhaps our Buttler expert, @JG2704 can help?

    Also does anybody else think Woakes could make it as a batsmen. He looks comfortable, scores runs and doesn't get out. He's struggled for penetration with the ball but has bowled well. As a batsman I think he looks good.

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    Concerns are still there for England, despite the very pleasing victory.

    Will any changes be made for the final test? I don't know how long Broad will be out for, but it would be foolish to risk him. Let Stokes or Plunkett play.

    I have been critical of England not giving enough chances to youngsters, so was pleasantly surprised in Woakes and Jordan getting another go. But Stokes was the Best England bowler at Lord's and deserves a go.

    I still maintain that nobody should tour the Windies and play in the world cup. The schedule next year of cricket every month is ludicrous.

    Robson and Ali will have plenty of time to work on their batting issues before the West Indies. Though I wonder if Lyth could get a game just to give Robson a break. He's struggled since his hundred. Perhaps give him a break, let him play for his county and take the pressure off him. But certainly take him to the West Indies.

    (continued)

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:56 GMT

    Friends england batting looks good because indian bowling is very friendly without any experience and with no support from fielders,they dropped too many catches even at time umpiring was poor too,against experience bowling of ishant we all saw what happened. This is a medicore England team which is looking good because indian batting is pathetic too,indian batsmen are making too many mistakes which making even moen ali look good. Come australia,south africa or even west indies this england team will be crirised again.

  • ElvisKing on August 9, 2014, 19:55 GMT

    Was it a Bad wicket ICC should investigate, why did the match finish in 3 days Time ? If Trent Bridge was bad this was worst , right ! Ask Kohli and Gambhir, they will confirm ! Poor Pujara, the New Wall of Indian Batting brought down , once again wronged by Rod Tucker, the Nemesis of Indian Batsmen and bowlers ! As soon as ball hits the pad of Indian batsman Rod Tucker's finger goes up but not when they hit England players ! Not making any excuses but under pressure it makes a lot of Difference ! Also main blame is to Captain Dhoni for not attacking enough and in tandem with Pankaj and Aaron. After Pankaj's catch was dropped he promptly removed him from attack and brought in his favorite Jadeja and Ashwin from the other end and then going defensive when Broad got hurt, instead of putting the squeeze and bringing in the fielders he left them spread them out and conceded 29 valuable runs though in the end you can say they lost by 54 runs, will not justify logic !Sack Dhoni 5th Test.

  • 22many on August 9, 2014, 19:55 GMT

    Why would anyone bother paying to watch the likes of that pathetic display by India....they just don't care and couldn't care less about how they perform...the skipper has taken his team to a new low....they were a disgrace in NZ last year when they only needed to score one run an over to win the test but were dismissed playing like drunken sailors with a day to spare...then went into final test needing to win and only took 3 bowlers.....money has taken rule of these guys....the future of test cricket requires a strong and determined Indian team...under the present leadership this is not going to happen...disgraceful from the time he won the toss and batted.

  • thinkgood on August 9, 2014, 19:52 GMT

    I dont think this is the good time to bash Indian team. This is the problem with Indian fans who are over joyed in victory and over abusive in loss. Let us keep balance here and see the problem was not with the Indian team , but with certain individuals who failed to perform. Let us - Indian fans - support our team going into the fifth test match at The Oval as its still not all lost and this team can bounce back if they realize we fans are behind them.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    poor capatincy by Dhni besides weak batting

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:51 GMT

    Ashwin is not the type of spinner who will run through sides overseas ,hence play him as a batting all rounder and 5th bowler. That allows India to play 4 seamers or 3 seamers and One spinner with Ashwin the batting allrounder. Brings in good balance to the side.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:50 GMT

    Problem with Indian Team Selectors is, they bring someone as replacement, but they don't give chance for the replacement, e.g. Naman Ojha, clean striker, who scored century, double century against Australia A in the recent test matches is now sitting on bench, selectors please replace Kohli,Pankaj Singh and Pujara with Naman Ojha, Rohit Sharma and Mohamed Shami.

  • Nuwan_Lorensuhewa on August 9, 2014, 19:49 GMT

    I believe the biggest lesson out of this match, a disgraceful innings + lost, are for the Indian fans, apart from the National team. 1. Don't ever be overconfident of your capabilities 2. Don't jump the gun (lot of praise before the match) let the team play the sport with peace of mind 3. Back your side no matter what the result is (we see lots of pointing fingers, and my XI is...after a defeat) and most importantly 4. Learn to appreciate your opponents and fellow cricketing nations (Especially your bothering nations closer to home, learn from them to back your team, accept ups and downs, appreciate talent, and enjoy the game)

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:48 GMT

    The lords test win was a fluke first three test match wickets were tailor made for indian batting and spin bowlers, after David Boon's observations a regular English wicket was made and Great Indian Batting Battery was exposed yet again!!!

  • AltafPatel on August 9, 2014, 19:46 GMT

    Pujara, Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit are exposed as home pitch as been exposing since SA tour, then NZ and now Eng. BCCI should have a 3 tests tour to Zimbabwe, WI or BD to improve their batting average and other stats of these 'legends'!

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:46 GMT

    Indian Team needs bowler who can pick wickets, that is how you win test matches. No matter how well Ashwin bats, he is in the team as specialist bowler, unless he bowls well and picks wickets he should be dropped. The selectors missed a trick by not picking any leg spinner, as England's weakness against leg spin is well known.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:46 GMT

    Duncan Fletcher siting in the dressing room with his shades on, that too in a dark corner. God knows what he was watching through those glasses. The bleak and gloomy future for sure. Cricket lovers please don't hold ay hopes about the next test or future away games because with shortsightedness we have dug our own graves. Lack of preparation, lack of urge to do well abroad are some of the numerous maladies that will continue to haunt us even in Australia and the world cup because after this pasting team India will b hammered down under for sure. And after that there I the world cup for which we would have nothing left to offer. As the saying goes "that's how the cookie crumbles".

  • kary2904 on August 9, 2014, 19:45 GMT

    "Outside India, this group has gone well until here" i think he was talking about the English team, poor guy give him some rest he is day dreaming. bring dinesh karthik, the man deserves opportunity.

  • visha_pb on August 9, 2014, 19:44 GMT

    Such a mediocre Indian team getting 5 match test series in England while competitive sri lankan team got only 2 test matches. What a shame.

  • La_Bangla on August 9, 2014, 19:43 GMT

    Rahul Dravid is happen to be in England. Can we bring him back in the next test?

  • AltafPatel on August 9, 2014, 19:41 GMT

    No. 1 tests team few months back will be on 5th now. Dhoni maintains his record of not only poor win-loss ratio but also win-less series. His flawfull tactics exposed on sporting conditions. By logic his IPL team mates made the room. Spinners generally bowls double overs what pacers bowl, Ashwin bowled even half of them, only 14 and gone wicketless !! Can't excuse as unsupporting pitch for spinners because look at Moin Ali's figure 39/4 and those all pricey wickets. Is he supposed to bat, if so why sent at No 8? If he scores hundred in both the innings, still it can't be justified because he is bowler first. You lose a match such a way against a team who recently went win-less for 10 consecutive tests including a whitewash in 5 match series, and series lost to poor Srilanka at home! Enough, it's now time to refresh the captaincy and move Dhoni up the order as specialist batsman, as they are going to tour Aus very soon where they might wash 4-0 if they continue such flop-show.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:41 GMT

    Another disappointing day for Indian cricket team.Evening session was dreadful as Indian team lost 9 wickets cheaply, it's really frustrating.

  • La_Bangla on August 9, 2014, 19:41 GMT

    I remember during India's tour down under, Sachin kept getting out in slip driving ball in channel outside off. After getting out the same way in two tests, he eliminated from his repertoire in the next game and scored a double century. Such was a temperament and discipline. Can Kohli get off his ego and learn?

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    India players come to England to drink dine and enjoy their stay to have a holiday . India should sack the selectors what a rubbish team to select

  • kancnaic on August 9, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    The Indian batsmen have forgotten how to play test cricket.It has taken a long time since we saw 500+ runs by india in foreign soil.This is the consequence of IPL.Eventhough they like to play long innings the IPL mind setup does not allow them to do so.In today's game they were in the state of more urgency than the England players to finish it today itself.

  • mshyder on August 9, 2014, 19:38 GMT

    Please! stop ridiculing Indian team. Most of the times teams from the sub continent face the same fate when playing in such alien conditions ( SL win earlier this summer being an exception). It is 80% for the coach and 20% for the captain to plan and play aggressively and tactically to counter these shortcomings but unfortunately both the indian coach and the captain are so defensive that even the one test win in the series should be highly appreciated. One cannot blame Dhoni for the silly decision to bat 1st, surely it must have been as per the advise and instructions of the coach who should get his share of the blame, if it was only Dhoni's decision then what is the purpose of Fletcher's existence.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:38 GMT

    I am a Sri Lankan. I am really sorry to say that there were very degrading and insulting remarks about SL batting, bowling and players (including Mahela and Sanga) by several Indians during England-SL series. Sri Lanka played in England much earlier in the summer. But they managed to hang on for a draw in first test, battling full duration of the last day and came back from no where to win the second test. It was virtually the same England line up excluding Butler in place of Matt Prior. I think it is about time those thick headed Indians come down to earth. BCCI cannot rule the cricket world unless they have a team which can back that up by performance. They also have to forget about their silly pride and agree to accept at least the undisputed aspects of DRS. When you try to boss around with an empty head this is what is going to happen.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:37 GMT

    Now, I really feels shame for Indian cricket team. It's absolutely devastating! Nothing now left to say. I think BCCI needs to postpone the upcoming Australian serie. Because if this team goes to play in Australia than it will be more shameful. Don't know what the hell happened to every batsman. I am really sorry to say that Indian batsman now needs to follow the Englishman how to play a spinner.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:37 GMT

    I can waste my time criticising India but let me do the right thing to congratulate England on an outstanding and memorable win. Let us not make excuses but accept that England made us look pathetic with their skill, intent and effort.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:36 GMT

    It is official. The best betting side in the world can only play at home. India! Play IPL, competitive cricket is not your FORTE

  • Rikirockzz on August 9, 2014, 19:36 GMT

    Huh..abysmal to say the least... a team where the no 9s have been d heightest scorer in almost every innings.. wat els can you xpect... England well done..even with one bowler short.. but never the less.. hats off to d indian batsmen for pulling this off...whr do we go from here?? A 5th test? wat awaits?? a bigger humiliation?? would wana see some changes... Vijay, Naman Ojha (got some runs behind him..high on confidence might just click), Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Dhoni, Ashwin, Aaron, Bhuvi, Ishant (we need him back badly), Jadeja/Ishwar Pandey (depending on the pitch)...

  • vkumar_086. on August 9, 2014, 19:35 GMT

    Well congratulations England but remember my Indian team is very mediocre and dont use too much of this to benchmark. Had you beaten Sri Lanka or Pakistan the best 2 Asian teams as shown by the Asia Cup 2014, that would have been better rather than beating India. If you all beat Sri Lanka in a test match in June, that would have been better than the victory today against a weak mediocre Indian team as the Sri Lankan team is far superior to this overrated Indian team.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:35 GMT

    This test series was a real test for two captains cook and dhoni as usual india has kept the tradition of brnging out of form players/teams to form/winning ways.MSD was never ever test material he rode on his luck and you cant get lucky always and its showing now.Guess Dhoni is keen on proving to world that playing 5 bowlers is a wrong way Ashwin who many ppl wanted in team bowls 14 overs in total of 110 odd overs binny bowled 8 I guess.the great sirjee wants to show how aggressive he is comes slams goes back bowls a negative line as per his captain's ordersIndia won wc after 28 yrs same about lords we can win again after 28 years 1st test draw lords victory I'd attribute it to poor performance by England than awesome game by india onething is for sure by end of 5th test bhuvi will be injured/fatigued that he maynot play odi series thanks to dhoni.Last but not least though England performed badly in 1st tests they managed to secure lead both time while india didn't get 1 inning score

  • siri12345 on August 9, 2014, 19:34 GMT

    @jg i told u during 2nd test eng might be playing poor cricket of late but u neednot need to play good cricket to beat a team like india .didnot i ????

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 19:33 GMT

    (continued)

    Perhaps Cook should give up the ODI captaincy to relieve pressure and give him time to work on his game and have a rest.

    Also bar Broad, Anderson and Jordan, the other bowlers will not play ODIs. Hopefully between Stokes, Plunkett, Finn, Woakes and a couple of county bowlers there will be enough for the West Indies.

    Finally a decision has to be made re Buttler. Cricket in every month. Do we want that much pressure on Butter? Look what happened to Root last year. Perhaps we need to decide which format(s) Buttler vest serves the side.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    The whole game took 195 overs and India shot out twice within total of 90 overs. This from the the 'biggest' cricketing nation. This game is as good as dead.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    let me congratulate all the Indians here on a gigantic loss to England. wishing u an even better 3-1 score line in a week time. love from Sri Lanka

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 19:28 GMT

    Concerns are still there for England, despite the very pleasing victory.

    Will any changes be made for the final test? I don't know how long Broad will be out for, but it would be foolish to risk him. Let Stokes or Plunkett play.

    I have been critical of England not giving enough chances to youngsters, so was pleasantly surprised in Woakes and Jordan getting another go. But Stokes was the Best England bowler at Lord's and deserves a go.

    I still maintain that nobody should tour the Windies and play in the world cup. The schedule next year of cricket every month is ludicrous.

    Robson and Ali will have plenty of time to work on their batting issues before the West Indies. Though I wonder if Lyth could get a game just to give Robson a break. He's struggled since his hundred. Perhaps give him a break, let him play for his county and take the pressure off him. But certainly take him to the West Indies.

    (continued)

  • johnathonjosephs on August 9, 2014, 19:27 GMT

    Its official: Ashwin is the next Tendulkar. We were all looking to Kohli, Pujara, and even Rahane, but the answer has been in the disguise as a spinner. An average of 41 that is higher than both Kohli and Dhoni's Test average proves it. Get this guy to replace one of the openers. Vijay looked the best out of the 3 openers so let these 2 Tamils open the innings for India

  • vkumar_086. on August 9, 2014, 19:26 GMT

    @Arun Bose, you predicted that 12th and 19th August 2014 will be your day following India's guaranteed test wins. So where are you? Remember India getting thrashed is the most common news heading today. India winning is a rarity like seeing halleys comets in the sky.

  • rajattiwaari on August 9, 2014, 19:25 GMT

    Ah this is so disappointing. It hurts so much . I cant express how I"m feeling right now. Defeat is an aspect of sport but the way we surrendered is just.. is just.. i'm at loss of words here!!

  • BeatTheChamps on August 9, 2014, 19:25 GMT

    Even Zim will do better against the mighty SA. Fail to understand how India were no. 1 in test cricket not so long ago

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:25 GMT

    Some serious technical flaws in the Indian batting line-up. However it's the bowling that let India down again, they had a good chance to save the match but England made far too many runs in the end. They were around 150 for 5 at one point and India could have got those wickets early, which would have been a completely different situation. Indian team needs to realize they need good fast bowlers who can intimidate the opposition. Test cricket is won by bowlers and especially fast bowlers. India doesn't have good and fit fast bowlers. Look how Kumar's pace is dropping already. If Dhoni thinks Ashwin and Jadeja are match winning spinners then I agree with Shane Warne, Dhoni's decisions are just funny.

  • vkumar_086. on August 9, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    It is clear that we cant even cash in on Broad's absense. We keep spamming Lankan forums whenever they suffer a rare loss. We Indians are the minnows of Asia as shown by our Asia Cup performance where we failed to enter the finals. Such a mediocre team we are.

  • vkumar_086. on August 9, 2014, 19:23 GMT

    We Indian fans keep saying that we are having a fantastic young team which is the best batting lineup and bowling attack but we understand reality today. We said Sri Lanka beat a weak England team and this shows who is really weak.

    Our commentator Manjrekar predicted "at least 3 tons" for Kohli? So wonder what to say now? Kohli is a pure concrete surface bully.

  • vkumar_086. on August 9, 2014, 19:23 GMT

    We Indian fans keep saying that we are having a fantastic young team which is the best batting lineup and bowling attack but we understand reality today. We said Sri Lanka beat a weak England team and this shows who is really weak.

    Our commentator Manjrekar predicted "at least 3 tons" for Kohli? So wonder what to say now? Kohli is a pure concrete surface bully.

  • BeatTheChamps on August 9, 2014, 19:23 GMT

    I'm absolutely ashamed by what our team has done today. I jokingly said to a friend today morning that our team is capable of losing in the smallest amount of time possible. Even if next a couple of days are washed out and only one session left to play in the final day, they will somehow manage to lose all 10 wickets and lose the game. I never imagined that they will not even leave it to that final session of play. Something is wrong between their ears. They seem to have left their brains at home. I always fail to understand why people talk so highly about our batting line up. It has never been consistent...even in the era of the big 4

  • SohailMirza on August 9, 2014, 19:22 GMT

    Its completely a wastage of time to watch when Indians playing away from home. The reason is they can't even survive for 2 days, they can't even face swing bowling, all of there national, international heroes suddenly becomes zero and are exposed to their real talent..... India should play only at home grounds with batting support pitches where openers can make double 100 in ODIs and when such openers have to play abroad they even can't cross 30 runs.. such a pity talent

  • SajithaD on August 9, 2014, 19:18 GMT

    @Drak Fruy, well said mate...

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:17 GMT

    What a bizarre show by our team pathetic perhaps is a better word to describe the shame and misery we went thru

  • sunny.davera on August 9, 2014, 19:16 GMT

    These kind of shameful defeats have to end. The BCCI have to think about Duncan Fletcher who has been largely ineffective as a coach over the last 3 years and then about MSD for sure. His captaincy is way too defensive for test cricket and has to be removed. Indian test team needs a complete overhaul starting with a good batting and bowling coach who can teach these youngsters some basics of batting and bowling in overseas conditions.

  • bobmartin on August 9, 2014, 19:16 GMT

    A few sensible Indian supporters have hit the nail on the head... Indian cricketers have no interest in test cricket at all... and why should they have ? They earn millions from the IPL and have a cupboard full of limited overs trophies.. They just don't care about test cricket.. they simply go through the motions to swell the coffers of the BCCI.. plus of course they are one of the new Big 3.. so their position in the "top tier" of test playing nations is secure... What an insult to teams like Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Pakistan and the West Indies...

  • MohilPatel on August 9, 2014, 19:13 GMT

    England were 0-1 down. But came back from nowhere and won the 2 test matches by a strong margin and went 2-1 in front of India. Although, I support India, but I respect England's hard work and deserve all credit. The time has now come that M S Dhoni needs to do a lot of work and level the series 2-2, which will be a lot of work.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:13 GMT

    Some very strange people think Australians and the English would rather watch India than South Africa. What a pathetic, spineless performance. Would you pay 50 pounds or more a day to watch that lot

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    @lionsareforever...well said dude..I was going to write the same thing u wrote..from a frustated indian fan

  • Big_Poppa_94 on August 9, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    @Lionsforever: Remove India from cricket and you can say goodbye to the sport's revenues. WE drive the game and long may the BCCI dominate and have a stranglehold on the sport.

    Oh and we've won more trophies than any other cricketing nation.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    first stop considering ipl as parameter yardstick to select test team. Dhawan and rohit sharma are just sub continent wonders-its really waste investing on them. Vijay was suprisinglyok but i still doubt his capabilities and next thing india needs to be gutsy .this series two greatest flops are kohli and pujara .You need to drop them or warn them. Frankly speaking i dont see issues with bowling b kumar varun aaron and ishanth sharma should be a good pair R jadeja- bits and pieces cricketer R ashwin-moreof an odi bowler yes we do no have a genuine test spin bowler go 2 ranjis pick the quality spinner rahul sharma amit mishra p ohjha these guys pick u wickets Dhoni played well or rather ok as batsmen but failed miserably as captain so my final team for final test 1 Vijay 2 Gambhir- Defnly better than dhawam 3 Pujara- still trust him 4 Rahane 5 N ohjha 6.Dhoni 7, R ashwin 8.B kumar 9.i Pandey 10, I sharma 11, V aaron,

  • JG2704 on August 9, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    I still say that MSD's decision to bat first with the overhead conditions as they were handed England a huge initiative in this match.England bowled well for sure but I reckon Broad and Jimmy would have been absolutely licking their lips when MSD made that decision. As I've said these are still 2 vulnerable sides - just one more vulnerable than the other.

  • Retour on August 9, 2014, 19:12 GMT

    Ind needs to bring someone like Sehwag to help rebuild and captain the test side. Dhoni is more suited to ODIs and T20s, and can focus on them. Keep Dhoni out of tests now. Someone like Saha can pick up the gloves in tests. Sehwag has captained aggressively and sensibly (horses for courses thinking) in the limited opportunities that he got to captain India.

    Selectors are to blame too for picking this squad. I was not comfortable when the squad was announced but was hoping to be proven wrong. Sorry to say this but to lose in this way to this Eng side, you have to be really pathetic.

    Changes should be on the cards otherwise Indian cricket fans will lose interest in test cricket and overseas tours in particular. Indian test cricket fans watch tests to see brilliant flashes of captaincy, aggressive cricket and fight with batsmen fighting it out in the middle and bowlers planning to pick up wkts. Currently, it appears as if the team is hoping for things to happen for them.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    kudos to Indian team, another wonderful performance from India in this test. Ater winning one test in this series, i think they thought they have achieved their goal and won the series, shameless eleven. It is very clear that we are bad against fast as well as against spin now. only solution to recover from this is to mark 'India A' as India and current Indian team as 'India A'. No spirit, no fight why they hell are they in England eating all the money, enjoying the climate, making fun and making the spectators fools. what happened to cool captain, said that he is going to fire in this series, going to play his natural game, someone has to remaind him. Sack kohli, Rahane, Gambhir and Pujara with some talented and stuffed players. Hope Naman ojha will take the bench in the next test, this is the fittest 11 going to play next and final test too, to end up the game in two days, so they can relax and roam in England with all money for purchase and other things for three days.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    Looks llke a 3-1 Scoreline. England are on a roll, everything is going their way. India don't seem to do anything right! India do not seem to have anything in the tank. No reserve batsman or bowlers. the way they batted against Moeen Ali was poor, no application at all. I think we should do a overhaul of the line up - maybe get Rahane @3, Kohli @5 and Pujara @4. Rohit needs to be back. Given everything a draw in the last test would be a honorable result

  • DataQue on August 9, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    Awesome job England!! Well played all the way!! As for Indians pack your bags and go home; losers all the way....

  • Sudhir65 on August 9, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    After Dhoni's men leave England at the end of this summer, not only will nation of England would have forgotten a shocking series loss to Sri Lanka but even a more devastating and humiliating Football World cup ouster in 1st round in Brazil recently.

    Dhoni's men are that gracious and they have a very huge heart!

  • Champagne_Cricket on August 9, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    It is surprising how the self proclaimed 'best team in subcontinent' is shot down by a part time spinner with England one bowler short and one not fully fit. It shows that Indian cricket is nothing but hype and they share the joint 3rd place with Bangladesh, when playing out of the subcontinent. Their board is the same and their players are the same. With more than a billion people and boasting of being the wealthiest cricket board, they can only put together a substandard team not worthy of being called a national team. Now it is clear as to who the flat-track bullies are.

  • indian1986 on August 9, 2014, 19:07 GMT

    Not sure.. wht to say...Losing is part and parcel of the game.. but surrendering without fight is not acceptable... not sure wht can they do differently in the 5 th test. I hope the team show some spine. Guys who are blaming dhoni should think, wht different could have he done. These are good players but not sure why are they playing like a club cricketers. Wake up guys..

  • VillageBlacksmith on August 9, 2014, 19:05 GMT

    well played Eng… altho india were awful, but thats their lookout… oz will not be so awful next year… so looking forward… woakes is def not test class, too short & wide even on helpful pitches, and jordan needs a lot work, not sure saker is the best guy to do that having already had problems with finn… cook, lyth, ballance, root, taylor, ali, buttler, stokes, broad, anderson, finn…

  • RayMcCooney on August 9, 2014, 19:05 GMT

    Those of you who have called yourselves India fans of late and are now turning on your team should be ashamed of YOURSELVES, not the India team. Turn yourselves into SUPPORTERS and provide your team with just that, support, now they need it most. They could still draw this series, but your ridicule won't help them to do that. Having said that, c'mon England!

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    Fielding and Captaincy is a huge difference. Dhoni's wicket keeping is "Poor" by Test standard. Dhoni's Captaincy in team selection, in on-field tactics is below par. Shami is definitely a better bowler than Pankaj. If India is ever to become a Test playing power house, they must replace their Coach, Captain and Wicket keeper.

  • jmcilhinney on August 9, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    England played a good game but it was far from perfect. I'd say that this was one where India lost it almost as much, or possibly even more, as England won it. There will be tougher tests ahead. There's plenty to be optimistic about as an England fan but we must also be realistic. Even if these players form the nucleus of a successful team, they are still near the beginning of their development. Moeen Ali has obviously been a big factor with the ball but he'll have tougher series for sure. India have looked in two minds when playing him and have not managed to attack or defend successfully against him. I think of how Australia played Swann in Australia recently and can only assume that they will treat Moeen similarly come the next Ashes. If he manages to take a few early then they may rethink things but if he goes for runs early then it will be a test for him to respond. he's still got some more time to develop his bowling before then though.

  • Big_Poppa_94 on August 9, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    This same Indian team batted well in SA and NZ, so it is clear most of the players are in a lean patch and just burnt out from so much cricket (Tests, ODIs, World T20 and IPL).

    The real problem for me is lack of penetration in bowling. Yadav and Aaron need to always play. Shami as a 3rd seamer and a bowling all rounder (Bhuvi is a good swing bowler but won't trouble cuz lack of pace). Spinner should be between Ashwin, Ojha and Mishra. In fact, like Clive Lloyd devised a pace battery it was what India should do.

    Jadeja should be dropped from Tests completely and Dhoni is not.good in Tests. Get someone in who has a sound technique.

    Oh well, at least India are World Champs.

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 9, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    I was not really surprised by the way Jadeja played. He did this in SA and previous games too when all we needed of him was to just occupy the crease for about half a session. 11 tests and only one half century (he had his chances in that as well) he has not quite earned the test cap but only earned dhoni's friendship which is more than enough to get test berth.

    At best he is just a decent spinner on dust tracks. Thats pretty much about Sir Jadeja.

  • SohailMirza on August 9, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    @Big_Poppa_94 Lollzzz please also explain about the fact that all of these trophies were got on bully flat track pitches ... except few one's where BBCI expecially requested for suitable pitches.... common.. you're nothing except emotional nation.

  • mensan on August 9, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    IPL is a big distraction for Indian players I would think. You have got big money... you have got the fame... you seem to put city team over your country. There is no hunger/motive left. So NATIONAL team is suffering.

  • on August 9, 2014, 19:01 GMT

    Big_Poppa_94. Come back when you have won 4 world cups! Also when you can win a series in Australia too as hardly the greatest nation hey?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 9, 2014, 19:00 GMT

    Incredible! Absolutely incredible! Clinical from England; abysmal from India. Rain? What rain? England only needed two and a half days. One of the few times I'm really happy to have been wrong in my predictions. Well done England!

  • Dalajit on August 9, 2014, 19:00 GMT

    Hello Selectors...anybody can reply why a genuine test spinner like Ojha is not selected after his last match where he declared Man of the Match, is this something to do that with Dhoni who prefers only his favorites players like Jadeja and Ashwin. I always belief that Ojha is a better test bowler than Ashwin and Jadeja those are good in ODi and T20 only when the batsman are attacking and getting out with their faults, we need genuine bowlers like Ojha or a genuine bowler who can spin the ball. Why always it happened that once a player is popular and rich forget his games like Kohli...and what is the role of our coach who is constant failure in overseas matches but still around. Cricket fans really need to know what he does after loosing a test match abroad...is there anything he analyses and try to improve the batsman fault areas, I don't think he does anything like this. I think Sehwag could be better batsman than Dhawan and Gambhir at the moment.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:59 GMT

    Abject, Disgraceful, Shameful, I will use Bishan singh Bedi's words "Throw them in Pacific Ocean", or just find closest shark tank and throw these guys, along with coaches and selector...I have lost count of defeats, its not due to lack of talent..but due to inability to pick right team...No one in this team want to be part of tests or work hard..these guys just want to make money in IPL so just leave them to IPL.

    I wont watch Indian cricket team again, until Dhoni, Jaddu, Gambhir, Nohit Sharma, Binny, Fletcher, Joe Dawes, are removed.

    We need 4 bowlers who can take 20 wickets For england/NZ : Bhuwnesh, Aaron/Umesh, Praveen kumar/Sandeep Sharma, Amit Mishra For Australia/WI: Shami/ Ishaant for PK/Sandeep All rounder : Ashwin, Rishi Dhawan (To fill overs n keep things tight) Bats : Vijay, Rahane, Manan Vohra, Pujara, Badri (Capt/ for a yr), Samson, Baba aparajith WK : Saha

    IPL have ruined indian cricket and May be this team will also loose but not in 1 & 1/2 day

  • jmcilhinney on August 9, 2014, 18:59 GMT

    Well, that was unexpected. It's a shame to see India capitulate so meekly but, as an England fan, I can empathise. It is a bit of relief mind you, given the forecast for the next couple of days. If India could have closed today 4 or 5 down then who knows. They just weren't up to it today though. Pujara was unlucky but, again, I refuse to feel bad for India when an umpiring mistake goes against them. Anyway, how do we even know the decision was wrong? The only proof we have is HawkEye but you can't really use that as evidence if you refuse to accept DRS because you don't trust HawkEye. I know that there are a fair number of Indian fans who want DRS though, so I suggest that they petition BCCI. That was just one dismissal though, and doesn't excuse the loss of 9 wickets in a session. The one thing India really did right was play the extra batsman by selecting Ashwin.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:58 GMT

    Its team-india in India but team no-idea abroad.

  • bul98 on August 9, 2014, 18:58 GMT

    Kholi is only good for IPL and Pujara is good on flat tarcks. India is a biggest of the Big 3, so the next sanction they should pas is that India will only play at home and no more overseas tours. Money cannot buy talent, no matter how many high paid coaches you hire. Like Kholi called for his coach but still the result will be same. You need a street fighters which India is not going to Produce anymore because of IPL and money offered to IND players. Good Luck Indian Fans the best thing for you is stay with IPL.

  • sherrytowers on August 9, 2014, 18:58 GMT

    The problem with these young Indian batsmen is their lack of exposure to quality bowlers and bowler friendly wickets. This can be cured only through playing matches like these thereby gaining experience and learning from their mistakes or else Indian cricket administrators should do a better job at the domestic level to make the players more comfortable playing against quick's, this may involve sending domestic players out to, may be, county cricket leagues in England, Australia etc.. And bowlers too will get experience from it. If they cannot do that, then the only option is to take these failures as positive signs that things will improve in the future. Also one final thought is that these players shouldn't be drafted into the first team at very young ages even before they prove themselves at the domestic level consistently.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:57 GMT

    Well well well.....that similar feeling of being surrendering without even a fight.....india lost the test in first session itself...thereafter similar story of away tests....for the whole match...player looking mentally fatigued. ...shoulder dropped....no cheering mates. ....looking perplexed....even a no 11 is pain for indian bowler to get rid off...can india change there mental approach....no...can india change drastically...no....management can do something...and is no....dhoni is way past is prime...look at his keeping...dropping catches missing runout and baffling field placements...choice if players...giving extended runs to the likes of rohit so called sir jadega. ..i mean such similar question to the teams have been asked from generation by public..but no answer...i think management needs to change first and foremost. ..If anything has to change....and nd ya next match is just a formality...These bunch are just in the world of there own...guess already lost 5th mentally. ..

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:56 GMT

    Pathetic performance from India! Loosing with 2 days to spare is merely shameful. If Dhawan and Rohit can be dropped, than why can't Kohli and Jadeja be dropped? Only positive sign from this match was Ashwin. Well played England, great stuff from Moeen Ali and Anderson.

  • Lionsareforever on August 9, 2014, 18:53 GMT

    Well, well, well, who would have thought that a little finger spinner like Moeen could trouble the mighty Indian batters? If the Indian fans are complaining about decisions not going their way then who's fault is that? BCCI could do with a little humility and embrace DRS like the rest of the cricketing world. They are not special to have different rules for them. Just because they host the mighty money spinner IPL they must not take it for granted that they are too big for the rest of the world! They are too big for there boots! They can't even beat England who just lost a home series to SL! What a humiliating defeat is this by the Indian? Big three? My foot!

  • Binu2014 on August 9, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    Now its time for BCC to think about MSD, whether he is capable enough to be continue as Test team captain? BCC must understand one thing that they are selecting a team for the country not for MSD, so they must give chance to those players who capable of playing better Cricket than Jadeja. There are few players who are not fit for playing test cricket and they are MSD, Jadeja, Dhawan. BCC must think about these players. Bring Veru in and give him the captaincy or give the captaincy to Ashwin. MSD must be removed from test captaincy to save the Indian test team.

  • Kays789 on August 9, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    And to think that Broad wasn't even needed to bowl out those flat track chomps, that too in one session, hilarious stuff indeed!

  • subcontinent-expert on August 9, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    No team plays as embrassingly in tests as the Indian Team.. I think Indian fans should just watch ODIs and T20s..

    I think todays performance cannot be criticised enough.. you criticise day and night but that won't be enough...

    I can just say to this Indian team... "Take A Bow From Me Guys.. Only You Could Have Done or Achieved this Feat"

    Feels that all other country teams would wonder as how this team reaches new LOW match by match... It haunts me to think "WHAT'S NEXT ???" What will be the next POOR performace and how poor it will be..??

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    The way Indian batted during last and this test was shocking. I think our India A team would have played much better than these clowns. None of them showed composure and we need to learn from our legends. Also i couldn't believe that we cant play Moeen,he is not a star spinner as compared to Ajmal, Warne,or Murali. Its high time we learn from our downfall before the world cup.Also why why Jadeja is persisted is beyond my knowledge. Dhoni should be sacked along with his bunnies to save the falling grace of India team.

  • MiddleStump on August 9, 2014, 18:52 GMT

    Before Indian fans start to demand the heads of their selectors, there is at least one positive from this Test. Ashwin is their best batsman at number 6 or 7. At least we should be spared of watching Binny and Rohit trying to bat at the Oval.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:51 GMT

    Not going to get any easier either India as Australia just around the corner waiting and there attack is far deadlier than England's. Mitch , Harris , Siddle , Watson. Going off this Indian showing then Australia will win all 4 tests within 2 days ha ha. Should say well done England too!

  • Big_Poppa_94 on August 9, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    ICC World Cup - 1983), 2011 ICC World T20 - 2007 ICC CT - 2002 (joint), 2013 Asia Cup - 1980, 1984, 1988, 1995, 2010

    India are the greatest cricketing nation. What is the point of Test cricket when you can't even win anything out of it? Even Australia cannot match our trophy count.

  • thalagune on August 9, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    @Arun Bose...haha...where are you my dear man!...i have noticed your comments of hatred towards srilanka,,so congratulations to you on the big loss..

  • Kays789 on August 9, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    Haha love it. No wonder England wanted 5 tests against this abysmal indian team. Great way to get back in to form. No fight what so ever and to fold like this in 2.5 days... wow, how incompetent can a team be and still be the best to represent a country with over a billion people. Just stop playing tests already.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    It's time India stops playing test cricket. They can continue with ODI, 20-20 on Indian soil though. Indians neither have skill, technique, temperament nor any dedication for hard work, feeling for the nation, sincerity. It's only money that they are for which they have tons. Our control board/BCCI are also after money and have no idea how to improve the standard. It's probably our culture and attitude. Long live Indians with your IPL and all that rubbish money making things, you're just pathetic..

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    i feel bad for the indian cricket fans. they love their game. sanjey manjrekar was almost in tears in the post match show talking about three consecutive batting failures. the worst thing is that the pattern continues. indian fans and media has over-hyped their batsmen. last time in england they did not manage a single score over 300 and now once again they are failing miserably. it shows there is incapability in indian batting line up. rather than saying they are out of from it should be accepted that they are not good enough. the longer one doesn't accept the shortcomings the longer they prevail. in all honesty all sub-continent teams would suffer in these conditions against the class of anderson, just as england batsmen failed miserably against high class pakistan spinners in UAE. familiarity of conditions does matter. subcontinent teams should practice on seaming conditions to reverse the situation.

  • Alberteinstien on August 9, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    My team for next match.Ashwin.vijay,pujara,Rahane,Hanuman vihari, Jadhav,Naman ojha,Bhuvi,Praveen,Umesh Yadav,Aaron.An inform team is always better than out of form team.Vihari and Jadhav averaged 93 and 87 in this ranjitrophy resp..Ojha averaged 69 in this Ranji. Umesh is in good form both with bat and ball. Praveen was the only success last time in England.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    An excellent strategy by the money hungry BCCI & so called young talented players. Play the test cricket in such a disgusting manner that a few true cricket fans like me who prefer gentlemen's game over the IPL r also compelled to switch interests towards dirty IPL. Looking at the attitude of current players towards international cricket, I am sure "Team India" will soon become a history & all that will remain is 5-6 IPL seasons per year, cheer girls, match fixing, cheap celebrity controversies & talented young cricketers selling themselves & their talent to liquor barrons, bushiness tycoons or film stars.May Cricket RIP............

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    Brilliant effort from England and a thoroughly deserved win. I didn't expect England to bowl out India so quickly second time around, especially without Broad, but it looks like I was pleasantly surprised.

    People shouldn't be too hasty in their praise of England and condemnation of India. The turn around this series has been remarkable. At Lord's England were dreadful and India excellent. The reverse has happened.

    India's batsmen have all scored runs recently in test cricket in foreign countries. They can do it. They are lacking confidence I think. India's bowlers have done well but have been let down by their fielders especially, as well as certain batsmen.

    England still have some concerns. Woakes and Jordan improved but are still concerns. Woakes no wickets, Jordan went at 5 an over second innings. Robson and Ali are concerns with the bat. Cook a concern as captain and batsman.

    But we are 2-1 up. Keep it going please.

  • Dalajit on August 9, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    Shameless India team and their ever rich batting stars, nobody has the rights to play a test cricket at the moment. If the batsman can't play a single good innings in 8 innings, why they are around and still playing. They have never learnt from 2011 series and Dhoni can't be good captain in Test abroad. Even if you ask the retired batsman like Ganguly, Laxman and Dravid to come and play in this team, at least one innings they would surely scope a century and that should be enough to win 2 match in this series, however this bunch of jokers like Jadeja, don't know how always get his place in the team. Kohli lost all his technique with focus less display wondering if he has come to play test or one day. One more biggest disappointed batsman is Pujara, some good in his technique but still lots to learn from Dravid, still not able to manage a 50+ score even Bhuvi managed to score three 50+ scored. The list is very long and the space is less, stay in hotel and enjoy the rains for two days.

  • vmbnbi on August 9, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    Well the old saying comes true again - when out of form play against India !!

    Be it an individual or a team...

    England out of form and with their main batsmen struggling through the first two sets, were given a life by India in the third - Most of their top order batsmen came back into form..

    There seems to be no looking back for england now, funny, when India won the Lords test people were betting India winning 3-1.. Looks like the other way around England 3-1..

  • SohailMirza on August 9, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    Its only media hype that made kohli, pujara and many other overrated players an icon of batting ...they can perform only at home grounds and with completely dumb pitches and nothing else... they have been constantly humiliating all around the world from the last 5 years... everywhere they are tormented by opponent... i bet india can even not beat Zim team at bowling pitches.

  • thriyam_rav on August 9, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    I saw a comment from VinodGupte talking about CSK CLOWNS. I think he has not watched this match or the series. Dhoni and Ashwin were the highest run scorers in each innings. Ashwin bowled just 14 overs on the second day. what do you expect ? Miracles happening when some one gets into the 11 ? Gambhir played a game after a long time too. But no one points a finger at him. why is it that CSK is always dragged in ? I guess you dont watch cricket

    Jaddu should be seriously chucked out though.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:46 GMT

    i hate indian team they let me down. i never gonna support in life again.i m feeling ashame to be a indian

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:46 GMT

    sanga scored a double and and india lost.. can't ask for more.. could you..

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:45 GMT

    I was reading the SLvPAK thread, small number of comments just congratulating each other's achievements. When I read this thread, I see fans that simply does not understand what a game is. I see some fans goes in to other threads and say hurtful things like "this batsman is a flat track bully", "That batsman is flat track bully" "This team", "That team", "He will never catch our legend", "He is no legend", "If they did this and that we can do it better", "He scored on a flat track, dead track" etc etc etc... After reading those hurtful things I simply have grim smile and wait mother nature to deliver the judgment... And yet again she did it and she will continue to do so. Loose some ego like rest of the world and come down to earth. Peace P:S, Cricinfo publish if you may!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    earlier troll cricket said Sangakkara, AB Diviliears and kholi in different league. Because they are so consistent. But now we can say virat kohli not in that list

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:43 GMT

    it seems that there is some politics played by some teammates against Dhoni and his captancy, because team india drawn the first test and the second test they won and what happened to techniques our well famed batsmen so we lost the third and fourth test without fighting.I believe that if Dhoni win this series that V Kohli has few more years for captancy.

  • Alexk400 on August 9, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    I think jadeja is great club player. He just do not have concentration to play long inning. Decent odi bowler. He should never have played in Test matches. Its all because of dhoni's business interests. Dhoni messed up the test. who they gona fire after this ? no one. 1 Billion indians , our choices start and end with inompetent people with political connections.

  • Night-Watchman on August 9, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    If you select a T20 team for tests, with ICC chairman's favourite Captain and favourite player guaranteed selection, then you will get a 20 over batting! Will any Aussie or English player worth a national cap bat the way Jadeja did? Does he not have any pride in wearing the jersey to throw away his wicket like this?

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    I am surprised to see all the comments about India in a poor form outside India. Please look at India 'a track record in the last 50 years . India is a brilliant team, in India ...... Period .

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    Gutless performance by India. Did not even survive 50 overs in either innings. Absolutely no excuse for these frauds. Ashwin only one who showed fight in both innings.

  • Indiaforever on August 9, 2014, 18:40 GMT

    I feel sorry for the English fans that will now think that Buttler is test quality, he has played two good innings but against an attack which is not great. Play him against quality attacks like SA or Aus and he will be found wanting.

    Credit to England overall, though. Good performance.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:40 GMT

    Well! Well! done England. You have taught the ICC a lesson by beating India the financial clout behind them Tiny Sri Lanka were not considered for a five game test series. Maybe they were sure that that SL will beat them. ICC get your act together and don't run behind money. Be strong and bring back that status for test cricket the world had maybe 30 years ago. The world s best captain is now having problems with his fans. Always keep in mind if you climb up you have to come down one day.

  • Alexk400 on August 9, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    Dhoni will have another excuse ready like in 2011. They used to blame sehwag for 2011 losses not dhoni. Now who they blame. Who is dhoni's scapegoat?. Problem with dhoni is lack of risk taking. He need to believe in chinese astrology. We have 4 dragons in the team and all 3 are bunched up. if they have good time , india would be unbeatable. lots of time if they do not have good time they get bundled out. Better move kohli or rahane to opening spot. Pujara to 5th spot so do not face new ball quickly. They need to find physically stronger players to play in colder countries. :)

  • shrastogi on August 9, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    Agree to second para of the write up. The middle and lower order except for Ashiwn was just not interested in the proceedings. There is a certain drop in motivation level and confidence of the team. It is a young team and I would avoid any knee jerk reactions. Still one final test to be played and a committed squad is needed to face England. So team management has its work cut out. You could hardly find fault with the Indian team selection for this match but for the final game it looks that we have to play 6 batsmen as with final test the tiredness factor is ruled out as one is getting some fresh legs for one dayers. Now the question is which six - that is for team management to decide. Indian top order has gifted wkts to Moeen Ali and team looks all at sea with their shot selection against him which is pathetic. Ashwin should get another game and Ishant if fit must come for Pankaj Singh and hope for the best.

  • Big_Poppa_94 on August 9, 2014, 18:39 GMT

    The only thing that matters is winning World Cups Something that England, NZ, Bangladesh and SA have never done.

    In fact, everyone rival here is jealous of the BCCI and its financial power on the game. England fans are jealous of how rich Dhoni and co are compared to the paupers that Cook and his men are.

  • Alberteinstien on August 9, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    Drop pankaj kohli gambhir dhoni and jadeja and bring umesh yadav Praveen Kumar naman ojha hanuman vihari and kedhar Jadhav to the team. Make ashwin the captain.Vihari averaged 93 and jadhav averaged 87 in this ranji trophy.Praveen was the best bowler in the last England tour and he can swing.Umesh because he is in form and can bowl at 150kmph.Ashwin should open and also a good captain.Ojha is in extraordinary form as it was evident in australia.Ojha averaged 70 in Ranji trophy as well.

  • glance_to_leg on August 9, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    Rather a characterless performance from India, and I do suspect that excellent players are being spoiled by too much limited overs cricket, which requires batsmen to score too quickly, and does not train them to build an innings. Still, England and India fans should not be writing India off until the final match has been played.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:37 GMT

    Till now at-least Indians were in a position to boast about Indian team saying that they are spin champions.. They have world class batsman who can play spin well. Now, It is proved that they can't even play a part time spinner. When England team is able to play so called world class spinner Ashwin well without submitting themseleves to him, India has shown their vulnerability for even part time spin bowling. Same team struggled against Monty panesar even in their back yard who boast themselves that they are champions in their back yard. Monty panesar is nable to cause problem even for England county players and thus was not picked in the squad. Moen Ali is in the team mainly as a batsman and part time bowler. What a shame for this Indian team. There are plenty of problems starting from coach, captain to some of the players. In fct, It is not bowling that is letting down India but it is their batting that is letting them down in many occasions. Still people are not understanding this.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:37 GMT

    India back on familiar grounds. A number of significant errors from the Indians.Firstly with the toss when conditions were considerably hard for batting and knowing the issues we hav had in our weak batting line up having to bat first was a complete mess with 8 for 4 of which 4 runs were byes. then the selection of the team.clearly Ashwin was playing as a pure batsman with max runs in the match for India which is surprising. also Jadeja position in the side is a big question mark as he is clearly not in the side as either a bowler, batsman or even a feilder. And lastly India continue to impress with their catching having now got 50% slip catch conversion rate with many falling short of first slip which Dhoni could have easily picked up not counted in the statistic.clearly this side showed potential in the second test and has even more quickly showed how easily they fail. Aarons bowling might be the only positive sign for India but clearly the calls from the skipper causing this doom.

  • Dysan25 on August 9, 2014, 18:36 GMT

    Dhoni's obsession with the 6th batsman has had unforgivable effects on the Indian Team. The way Binny was dropped after not utilizing him properly, triggered the decline. Next time he wants to pick the 6th Batsman, he can remember the below stats (simple ones), 1) 11 Players Bat, but only 5-6 players Bowl. Adding an Extra Batsman would tilt the scale further. Result? going from 1-0 to 1-2. 2) 500 runs with Glamorous,Fashionable,Stylish Batsmen hitting centuries may not guarantee a Test Match win. 20 wickets from Non-glamorous, Disciplined, Persistent Bowlers does. Every.Single.Time. 3) A FastMedium-Allrounder is supposed to be used Graciously, while Batting AND Bowling. 4) 5th Bowler in Test Cricket is not equal to a glamorous-batsman-cum-part-time offspinner.

  • Indiaforever on August 9, 2014, 18:35 GMT

    I am actually speechless at this performance. Batting has been dreadful, captaincy has been terrible and bowling has been unbelievable. The whole batting line up has failed. Kohli and Pujara need to get their games together and come back stronger. Going to gauti for this game was not exactly a terrible move but he has the same problem against the new ball as Dhawan does.

    Dhoni has been tooo defensive, it is actually a joke. What drives a captain to have so many people on the fence against Woakes? And starting the day with Jadeja and Pankaj? Really? His batting was good in the first innings but other than that, he has been poor. Jadeja brings absolutely nothing to this team. His bowling isn't test quality. His batting is dreadful, he doesn't know how to bat in tests and he has dropped some very important catches too.

    India need to change something soon, and quickly. I would go with Aaron, Ishant, Bhuvi, Shami/Pankaj and Ashwin in the next match.

    Still believe we can pull it back.

  • rise_of_the_ashes on August 9, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    All indian batsman was required to do was wait" especially Dhoni who came to bat in difficult situation. If they managed to get pass today's day then there were hope as heavy rain were predicted. But it seems india get bored with test matches and they want to make it IPL especially non seriousness of Kholi who want to make it some sub-standard IPL match...

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 9, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    This is unacceptable from India. As a country with the highest number of people playing the game we love - they are hopelessly under-performing. They should be No.1 in ALL formats with resources available.

    Indian fans need to demand radical changes NOW from the top. From the BCCI, to management, to the team being selected and to the captain himself. Things needs to change.

  • Lionsareforever on August 9, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    Ohh dear, ohh dear! There is a God after all! The king of bounds gets the treatment that he normally dishes out to other tailenders! Now Stuart knows how it feels just like Anderson got just his just deserts on the penultimate ball from SL in the 2nd test. How true is the saying "those who live by the sword dies by the sword"!

  • mensan on August 9, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    Just pathetic... no other words for India's performance in this match. 2nd innings capitulation is beyond comprehension.

  • Diaz54 on August 9, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    Moeen brother I really respect you. Now that you have bowling under control...now get back to,focus on your batting, that should be easier for you because you can be class...show the detractors....which are many. But remain focused and deliver for England!!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    Moein ali deserves ths ...he is more thsn juz a part timer

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    Yes dude, test matches do have 2 innings.... Arun bhai

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    result of series was obvious only the screline has changed.england don play well at lords.indian cricket players are bunch if sessies.dhoni is arrogant.players are overrated.if you give someone 2 much control this happens.bcci is in absolute shambles we don know who is taking decisions..they don have the guts to kick dhoni out or tendulkar in his shambolic last days..they shud learn something from sir alex ferguson and vicente del bosque how to put team first and i forgot from german football team.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    WHY shouldnt give afghanistan chance to play test afghanistan could play better cricket then india in england, what was that shame on whole team, shame

  • thalagune on August 9, 2014, 18:33 GMT

    @Tommytuckersuffa...none of the test matches that SL played in 2014 were average...they were all high thrillers that went to the wire...so dont say that NZ vs SL cricket matches are average

  • Zomac on August 9, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    India should be deprived of test status for at least 2 years n all their top players must go n play county cricket n domestic seasons in aus n South Africa in the interim.they should not even play tests at home cos perfmance at home does not count.atleast doing so these players would get accustomed to playing in these conditions n this would automatically bring better results.no point in criticising non performance of these players cos they don't seem to be anywhere near the retired legends.indias performance was simply pathetic,cos they were losing without even putting a fight.for the next test jst for the sake of selection,drop jadeja bring in rohit/naman ojha n if ishanth is fit bring him in for the unlucky pankaj n hope that India puts up a fight in the next test especially their batsmen.even if India gets to 400 in the next game that would be a great achievement.this coming frm a dissapointed Indian supporter.

  • franciscan_educated on August 9, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    @whirlaway I couldn't agree with you more. Selection is not the reason for India getting walloped time and again. That excuse needs to be thrown out of the window. Its time to actually sit down and think if this team has it in them to compete at this level away from the subcontinent.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:31 GMT

    Until the hopeful Indian fans keep hoping that this hopeless team will win a test series and keep watching matches such as this and boost revenues history will keep repeating itself...

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Haha.. India making a mess of Test Cricket

  • EverybodylovesSachin on August 9, 2014, 18:30 GMT

    Drop Kohli, Pujara, Dhavan, Pankaj Singh. Problem with India is they do not have any backups for these guys, thinking that theses players will play for another 10 years that culture needs stopped.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    never seen a captain more shameless than dhoni , even he himself knows he can't bat and keep now and was never good in test captaincy but still is in the team, he should give up the captaincy , captaincy is not all about on field treatment of players , ask ganguly what Sachin did to him when Sachin was given captaincy and ganguly got out playing loose shots. dhoni doesn't know which player to play at which position , if dhawan was getting out at seeming deleiveries je should have lowered him the order and opened the innings with rahane ,presence of dhawan is important coz if he bats India will surely post a huge total on scoreboard , but first of all dhoni should retire from test cricket

  • mzm149 on August 9, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    @Arun Bose, @Rajesh India 1990: Congrats on India's loss.

  • CrickFan1976 on August 9, 2014, 18:29 GMT

    @Arun Bose What a sad day for Indian cricket and Arun Bose as Indians fail the "Big Test"! He predicted an Indian comeback with a 3-1 Indian series win during the 3rd Test and swore to never come and comment on CricInfo if that doesn't happen! Adios my friend! We will really miss you!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    never seen a captain more shameless than dhoni , even he himself knows he can't bat and keep now and was never good in test captaincy but still is in the team, he should give up the captaincy , captaincy is not all about on field treatment of players , ask ganguly what Sachin did to him when Sachin was given captaincy and ganguly got out playing loose shots. dhoni doesn't know which player to play at which position , if dhawan was getting out at seeming deleiveries je should have lowered him the order and opened the innings with rahane ,presence of dhawan is important coz if he bats India will surely post a huge total on scoreboard , but first of all dhoni should retire from test cricket

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    Kapil totally spot on

    On English conditions u got to pitch on literally half volley length in line with off stump but for that u need protection down the ground & u don't need sq fields.

    Dhoni's poor field placement is the reason of Indian failure. U should not give Mc Grath fields to all bowlers.

    Had Pak given Mc grath 7, 2 fields to Waqar he would not have bowled a single delivery at stumps & would have had 3 times worse record bcz waqar had 70 % wickets as bold & lbw in his carreer.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:27 GMT

    Gah! it's 2011 all over. Top order can't score and the bowling lineup only has one bowler. Maybe all the all the 2 and 3 match series India plays have left them with no physical or mental stamina but this team looks like it has no guts, no spine. Could've easily drawn the match on a decent pitch for batting with 1/3rd of England's wicket taking ability (Broad) out and they manage to get out in 43 overs? Selection doesn't matter (although Aaron and Bhuvi had decent figures), somebody needs to give these guys a good reaming, they need to be running miles in the storm tomorrow and Monday, they need to be treated like high school boys rather than grown professionals.

  • glacier_143 on August 9, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    What was the Old Trafford test about?? If at all Dhoni would have requested the 2 man sitting in the commentary box Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid to play, they would have given a better show then anyone in playing XI. I seriously feel we are not ready to take on mighty Aussies with this combination in next coming months. It is going to be a humiliating experience for all of India if this is what we are getting after this players showed some promising cricket few months back and enforced a retirement to big names in Indian Cricket. Dhoni is insane, he does not know how to use the bowlers or pick the right XI, you need Harbhajan, Sehwag, Zaheer Khan, Praveen Kumar. And last but not least, Why was Anderson playing?? Either ICC needs to make it clear, abusing is OK or Anderson needs to be punished for abusing.

  • Karunk on August 9, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    Immediate need for India is one home series against Bangladesh or Zimbagwe for their star batsmen to regain their form. It is pathetic that even after 4 tests (eight innings) batsmen like Pujara & Kohli are struggling to stay at the wicket. It is time for Dhoni to announce retirement from Test cricket, after this series and take his T20 champion 'Sir Jadeja' with him. Ashwin has lot to learn from Moin Ali on where to pitch the ball on this type of wickets. At least now, India should realise the difference between playing genuine spinner in Test cricket like Ojha or Mishra and one day/T20 specialists like Jadeja & Ashwin.

  • VinodGupte on August 9, 2014, 18:25 GMT

    Prediction time. Kohli to score a hundred in the last match when the series can't be won. Just like he did in AUS. and NZ. What's more, Ashwin will also take a wicket in the next game so that he will keep on getting selected for the next decade. Pujara will score a 50 so that he can bulldoze bowlers on the flat pitches of IND for another 5 years.

  • TomDeSailor on August 9, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    I would say that Dhoni deserved this loss.. Why the hell is jadeja even in the squad, let alone the playing XI.. Ashwin primarily a bowler, but batting well, but not doing well what he's supposed to.. Moeen Ali has 19wkts @ 22 avg.. jadeja has 9 @ 46.. Ridiculous, considering he was our first choice spinner in the XI & Ali a part timer, till now.. The batsmen need to pull their socks up.. Kohli needs a rest, he's not batting well, he's dropping catches, a small shock will bring him back to earth.. Dhoni needs to retire from tests n concentrate in ODIs.. Jadeja should never even be near the test team ever.. Yadav is sitting back home, when he, Aaron & Bhuvi could have wrecked the english batting..

  • kakching on August 9, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    if any player can get the chance just like jadeja,rohit sharma,etc 1day any player can perform very well,so it's time to bring back yuvi n sehwag

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:22 GMT

    too much of t20,s and ipl has effected india,s performance at test level...do u agree my indian friends

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:21 GMT

    Mediocrity and Indians go hand in hand, Another drubbing coming up. Well done INDIA! #disgusting #pathetic #dismal

  • thegr8indian on August 9, 2014, 18:20 GMT

    Till now I never praised SriLanka, even after winning T20 WC. Sorry my SL friends. But after comparing the SL in Eng Vs Ind in Eng, hats off to SL for a great Eng series. 1st I though India will do more than SL, and today Indian team slashed on my back with their performance

  • RoHITian on August 9, 2014, 18:19 GMT

    Ohhh Nooo!!! Come on Boys, Pull up your socks and make sure you win the next match to level the series.. Please don't let us (Indian Fans) let us down before the medicore teams and fans like England and Sri lanka... Come on INDIA Conquer'em... Show the SPIRIT of WORLD CHAMPIONS... #IndiaRULES #GoINDIA (Cricinfo plz publish)

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:19 GMT

    You can justify off performances on the field or even sheer lack of quality/ ability but what is inexcusable is the lack of sincerity when you take the field in an international match. Some of the Indian batsmen are culpable of that.

  • Sudhir65 on August 9, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    I had written after Eng's loss to SL and when whole nation of England was down and depressed and all experts were calling for Cook's head. I wrote (based on India's 2011 results) that England will feel on top of the world after Dhoni's men leave England this summer. My foresight was right.

  • crickketlover on August 9, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    disappointing - I thought this match would last for 3 and a half days! I lost my bet to my son as he was correct in predicting that India would lose today.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    These things happen as per Ashwin's comments to Gautam Bhimani.. Well these things shouldn't happen so often young man

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:17 GMT

    These things happen as per Ashwin's comments to Gautam Bhimani.. Well these things shouldn't happen so often young man

  • Night-Watchman on August 9, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    "Virat is Dandruff" - Proof

    said the advertisement headline, or so I thought it meant to say, when I opened this page. I thought it was a commentary on his performance in the windy English conditions. Surely he was like danruff so far, blown away!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:16 GMT

    for india is batter play only odi and t 20

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:15 GMT

    I think the Indian team made a big mistake by winning the 2nd game...people jst frgt wat to expct of the Indian team,playing overseas...

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:15 GMT

    Time for Dhoni to go. India Test team don't need Dhoni and a stupid Kohli. These people don't learn from mistakes, they should not be on the team. Bring Chappell back, kick out Fletcher.

  • thegr8indian on August 9, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    Mr.Dhoni, when India lost to England in 2011 you have ended few careers. What will you say now? You never get likes of Dravid and Laxman. You just need IPL players.

  • Sudhir65 on August 9, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    Wow, an innings defeat within 2 days (if you take tomorrow's wash out). And BCCI sticks with same coach/captain after one humiliatiing defeat after another for the nation. Indian fans do not deserve this careless BCCI/coach/captain.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    Keep playing favorites irrespective of conditions (Jadeja), sideline who you do not like (Binny), irrespective of conditions, lose tests, but importantly satisfy EGO, way to go captain cool Dhoni!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    After the ICC World Cup victory at home, being a captain Dhoni has captained India in 16 tests away from home nation. Stats say 1 win, 3 drawn and thumping 12 defeats including the whitewashes in England and Australia. I am some one who would always favor to keep Dhoni the skipper, but after so many humiliating defeats on overseas grounds, it has left me thinking that it's high time to reconsider. If I were chief selector I would make even Md Shami the captain but not MSD. How long are we supposed to run an old legendary horse in Derby who is not winning races anymore?

  • legfinedeep on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    Most over-rated test player Kohli needs to be dropped for all Tests outside of India. And don't bring up Durban, because it was a dry road typical subcontinental pitch. If the BCCI can bully countries like Eng, SA, Aus to make dry flat tracks, then by all means play him. If not Kohli needs to stay home and bully around there.

  • mfislam on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    8 ipl teams, 64 Indian players. they said this would unleash future Sachin / Dravid.. Sadly they all have only been an "IPL player" nothing more. Your all ipl heroes proved it yet again "Flat track monster". I always wonder a country with hundreds of cricket grounds and how all of them are flat tracks?

  • Ozcricketwriter on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    I feel so dumb for thinking that England were losing to themselves after the first test debacle, and would be easy beats for the second test. What I forgot to take into account was that India are even better at capitulating than England, especially when they are overseas.

  • BillHG on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    Moeen Ali spinning india out of the game.. that too on a green surface in england.. it's time young indians learnt to be consistent. Performing well in one match and badly in the rest..pathetic..!!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    Amazing when a team is winning everyone applauds. If per chance they enter a slump they receive a bashing. This same team beat Australia mercilessly. We were singing them praise. While we do not sing praise for loosing we should give support and let them know that we look forward to their sterling performances. Kohli is a class act.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:13 GMT

    Congratulations England team. India does not care bastman n very hopeless spinner. back h.singh and ohjia re spinner. jaddu s not control bstsman and blower..

  • Lionsareforever on August 9, 2014, 18:12 GMT

    England does not need 10 men to beat India. England perhaps could do with just a handful of players. How clever is ECB to take away one test from Eng V Sl and add it to Eng v India? This looks like the beginning of the end for India Test cricket. The new bees are not quite up to standards of test cricket. I think they should recall Dravid, Tendulkar and some of the other newly retired players. This is the IPL birds coming home to roost. The India players have lost the knack of playing test cricket. Perhaps they should get down Sangakara or study the video clips from the Sl v Pak 1st test to get some tips on batting at test level. To be honest I think the writing was on the wall its just that BCCI and the fans refused to read it. When they got beaten in NZ and SA and got thrashed in the T20 world cup and Asia cup the time was ripe for the selectors make changes. They are too arrogant to see! Well the results speaks volumes.

  • mzm149 on August 9, 2014, 18:12 GMT

    Congratulations England. I predicted England will give target of 200 and India will capitulate in 3 sessions. They even couldn't survive even 3 sessions.

  • subcontinent-expert on August 9, 2014, 18:12 GMT

    WARNING-::: Donot call Indian Team " FLAT TRACK BULLEY" or "ONLY GOOD AT SUBCONTINENT"

    First let them show they can actually BEAT Srilankans and Pak in Srilanka and Dubai which I think they can't....

    So basically India can win TESTS only at Home..( Condition that opposite team donot have a spinner like MONTY or SWAN or MOIN)

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:12 GMT

    What is Jadeja doing in this Team ? With a fragile batting line up MSD is playing with 5 genuine batsmen . Poor captaincy lost us previous match and this test by poor team selection . Drop Kohli , at least some catches will not be dropped.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    Indian team has made only for their grounds, to win away from home is not in their approach. well done England bowlers specially Moen Ali.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    Don't even need 1 day or 90 overs to lose 20 wickets / Rain etc etc. no issues..... Added out against our own strength - SPIN Bowling (Moeen Ali Part timer spinner taken 19 wickets).

    Where is Indian Cricket going to........IPL that's it...............BCCI wake up time for more corrective action before we are out of the top 8 test playing nations...........

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:11 GMT

    India try in test match batting from no11

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:10 GMT

    What a shame....this test could have been saved as rain is forecast for the next 2 days.Sorry MS Dhoni u have to go as captain.The team played like the old team of 90s ...disgusted to be an Indan fan.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 9, 2014, 18:10 GMT

    I simply want England to beat us really bad in the next match. Looks like Dhoni still thinks he has somewhere to hide. England, please do us a favour and take this series 3-1. But the sad part is, Dhoni will still have some more imaginary 'facts' in his mind to hide behind. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Thanks to that lucky spell from Ishant, Dhoni and the gang can keep saying, "See, we told you so". Enough of this abject nautank!

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:10 GMT

    @Big_Boppa. Just more sour grapes. Come back when you've won 4 world cups ha ha.

  • sysplex on August 9, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    Total lack of character from the Indians, they're not even trying to be different with approach. Why can't you have Rahane open the innings, he can very well do that. At least, for his temperament, he can stand at one end and keep scoring some standard runs at one end, a lot better that any other opener for India in England now. What are these bowlers doing with such limited short stuff, you've seen success with that, why not surprise the England batsmen every once in a while?

  • ZkAneela on August 9, 2014, 18:08 GMT

    Huge huge disappointment for the Indian fans,playing really humiliating cricket...and virat kohli is proving that He is a complete flat track bully..Most hated cricketer ever.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:07 GMT

    @Tommytuckersaff. Get over the fact that SA won't ever get 5 match series as no one even goes to watch test cricket in SA anyway as was more Australians at the games in SA than your fans when the Aussies took your team apart , look up the stats! so stop griping about the big 3 as I know it hurts you that SA are not part of that and never will be either.

  • BoonBoom on August 9, 2014, 18:07 GMT

    India has ALWAYS been a bad performs on fast and seaming wickets, only producing tons of runs on flat tracks. This is not IPL but test cricket and bowlers are of high quality not club level like in IPL. Secondly, Indians tend to attack Moen (maybe because he is of pak origin) and that's why gifting wickets to him!

  • blissfully_ignorant on August 9, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    Eng don't lose at manchester.aderson swung th ball ten times more than ind bowlers.a bowlers game.&so a weak bowling attack with poor seam and swing abilities failed to limit and take wkts.....what else to say?????

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    I think within the test status, there should be provision for having status at home and away. India certainly wouldn't deserve the away status. Dhoni must step down himself. He's shamed the entire country on tours abroad for the past 2 years. I cant think of any other country who would have let his captain continue after series of such serious disasters. Its almost become a norm, play for CSK, play for India.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    it's embarrassing that indian batsmen couldn't handle moin Ali who is not even an average spinner in Indian standards has taken 18 wickets in this series so far. it's not his bowling but it's indias poor batting against him that got him wickets in this series. they should have attacked him right from the 1st delivery of his. now it's one last chance for to salvage some pride at oval. nothing less than a win which ties this test series is acceptable to me. also some changes in the team is also required such as drop gambhir because he never ever looked in any sort of confidence against the England steamers. dhawan should be back on his place. also replace jadeja and bring ishwar pandey, and bring ishant in place of pankaj singh.

  • Vikram_Rathore on August 9, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    Dhoni's favoritism has been costing India several games since 2010. It has been in OPEN DISPLAY once again in this series. Dhoni got Jadeja to bowl 32 out of 88 overs on 5th day on a seemer friendly wicket at Lords. But, on a responsive pitch here, Dhoni got Ashwin to bowl a mere 13 out of 103 overs bowled by India! That too in 4 spells of no more than 4 overs at a stretch. He had been under bowling Shami Ahmed and consequently dropped him to get Pankaj into the playing XI.I don't know what Jadeja is doing in the team... he is neither a bowler nor a batsman! All you Dhoni fans, could you please stand up give me the rest of us a straight answer to all these shockers!?

  • Diaz54 on August 9, 2014, 18:06 GMT

    Well done team England! Cod and chips though is typical...he does not mention Moeen's performance that's the way it is. Well done Ali, you realise you will be dropped as soon as you fail? You do well and no body talks about it! India well highest played cricketers in the world, I can find better fighters in Afghanistan, sad very sad, no self respect. Sack your coach!! Job for life because you believe in supporting this.

  • umars101 on August 9, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    India can either lay IPL or test cricket both things cant just happen together> And every player is not Ab devilliers

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    indian team played like school team. this indian team can bat only in the sub continent slow flat tracks . any where outside the sub continent they are like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    Worst team ever went to england for series........ cn't understand the role of sir jadeja .... and worst performance by Mr Virat .......

  • anand_ on August 9, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    Dhoni has to go. No other option left. I would pick Ashwin over Kohli as the next captain only coz Ash is much more of a level headed guy and understands the game well. For me the biggest worry this series has been Pujara but not Kohli. Every player will go through a phase that Kohli is going through right now. But Pujara is loosing his wicket after he gets set. His concentration is not there which is a much bigger issue. Someone like a Shikar Dhawan should be given a license to go after the bowlers. His only job should be to make sure that the opposition bowlers doesnt settle. N Vijay should take up the responsibility of staying there ( he has done that quite well this series). I am pretty sure these young boys will bounce back each and every one of them hates loosing. All they need is a captain who doesnt sit back and wait for the other side to make the mistake.

  • JG2704 on August 9, 2014, 18:04 GMT

    @ArunBose - Re

    "If India doesn't win this series and doesn't comeback hard in the next two test matches then as a loyal, die-hard Indian fan promise you all that I will never ever come back here and bother you again"

    Well I guess we have seen your final post on Cricinfo then?

    My guess however is that just like the goalposts were moved re the predictions from 5-0 to 3-0 and then 2-1 to India the goalposts will be moved again on your pledge. Guys like SachinVVSfan , Nampally and many others aren't any lesser fans because they can constructively criticise their own side - the same with our guys India can still draw the series and whether the series ends 2-1 , 3-1 or 2-2 , I certainly won't be saying England have turned the corner. They are still a vulnerable side just like India are and BOTH sides have shown this in this series.

    I think "Deny Hard" is more of an apt term than "Die Hard"

  • SatishTembey on August 9, 2014, 18:04 GMT

    I still can't believe that a test match can be finished in just 3 days and with a probable wash out of day 4 & 5 with a forecast of thunder showers! Thanks to the generous Indian team, gifting test match to England. Probably it is worst batting performance of India in recent past. Moeen Ali was impressive. I am impressed with his bowling action - orthodox off spinner. On the contrary, Ashwin's action isn't good. He is not a classic off spinner, hardly turn ball, rarely flight ball. Wonder why was he selected - his record on foreign soil is very poor and always struggled for wickets. Same is case with Jadeja. Dhoni's captaincy has deteriorated. Shane Warne criticised Dhoni for negative bowling of Jadeja in 3rd test and allowing England to score more than 500 runs. Since then India handed over initiative to England, winning just one session out of 19. Need to revamp India team, along with Captaincy.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:04 GMT

    @ VinodGupte : What did Kholi,gambhir and pujara did....???Top 5 are the biggest reason for this bad defeat.....

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:04 GMT

    Now only these black srilankans will start commenting on Indias performance as if they hav not lost any games in the history of cricket. They will send sangakarra to help us. Hahah funny....

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:03 GMT

    I agree with @Gayan Rathnayake. no place for Ravindra jadeja , R Ashwin , Shikhar Dhawan , Rohit Sharma in Indian Test team.. they can play only on subcontinent pitches. u can't select a test team on basis of IPL

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:03 GMT

    India needs a desperate change in leadership and their style of preparation for foreign tours ..One of those horrible lows in Indian cricket..Dhoni..Take the moral responsibility now atleast ..and get out of captaincy.. ...I am sorry..but the whole team has failed thoroughly!!!

  • zaltekashinath on August 9, 2014, 18:03 GMT

    whats problem of ind cricket team,where eng batsman perform well on same pitch,while ind batsman struggling for every run,dropped more catches,every bowler struggling every single wkts,lost lot of wkts in bunch. BCCI should be think on these things. Now,Ind Cant win series,but level the series by winning next game.Best Luck

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:03 GMT

    Arrest this slide now or Indian Cricket will go the Indian Hockey...time to take some bold decisions...IPL has killed Indian Test Cricket!!!

  • subcontinent-expert on August 9, 2014, 18:02 GMT

    No team plays as embrassingly in tests as the Indian Team.. I think Indian fans should just watch ODIs and T20s..

    I think todays performance cannot be criticised enough.. you criticise day and night but that won't be enough...

    I can just say to this Indian team... "Take A Bow From Me Guys.. Only You Could Have Done or Achieved this Feat"

    Feels that all other country teams would wonder as how this team reaches new LOW match by match... It haunts me to think "WHAT'S NEXT ???" What will be the next POOR performace and how poor it will be...!!!

  • Mani_CricketFan on August 9, 2014, 18:01 GMT

    Dhoni really need rest from captaincy. Make Gambhir captain for test. Dhoni still play as a player. Let Dhoni captain ODI and T20 side only. Time to get in Ishwar Pandey and test his skills in this condition. No loss even if we lose next test too (more likely to happen). Atleast ishwar will get experience. He has good pace and swing with control. Get Ishwar for Pankaj. Rohit in for Kohli. Rohit play at no 3 and Pujara dropping to no 4 or 5. From next tour BCCI should send under-19 team to foreign tours. This hyped batting lineup is unskilled to play in tough conditions. Atleast under-19 will get experience and skill if they play from young age.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:01 GMT

    Congratulations to England, glad to see that we have managed to overcome our recent slump to perform as well as we know we can. It is a shame the opposition seems to have capitulated after a failed attempt to remove one of their prime tourmenters.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    One of the best one sided match even seen by me. Loosing this manner is spoiling a quality side's reputation as well as ranking. I would prefer to play maximum no. Of tests in the subcontinent and improve their ranking before putting them selfs in a horrible position in the test ranking. My XI for the next match would be Dhawan Vijay Pujara Kohli Rahane Dhoni Naman Ojha Rohit Ashwin Aaron Ishant Kumar

  • sharidas on August 9, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    I was out all day and knew India had started their second innings. Made some dinner and switched the TV on, to watch the match….only to find the end of the match interviews. I was lucky, that I missed the pathetic show. Not taking away any credit from England, they better not feel elated by this win against this lowly side.

  • on August 9, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    plyers are not performing because they think their place are safe under dhoni friendship

  • Big_Poppa_94 on August 9, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    At least India have won every ICC tournament. Time to get rid of Test cricket which doesn't even draw much crowds and money.

    IPL zindabad! ODIs zindabad!

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    Well IPL time is over, from now on BCCI will Think about ITL( Indian Test League).... agree with me fellow commentators of cricinfo?....

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    South africa is the best team in test cricket still zimbabwe manages to score 240 plus Shamefull cricket from india . They cant even able to score 200 in both innings

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    India lost this game1st day, 1st session n the very 1st hour! No words to describe their performance! Shame on you guys & no one fit to wear the 3 Lions shirt! S T Arasu. Singapore

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    Tommytuckersaffa I think NZ and SL would provide better entertainment at this stage!!

  • VinodGupte on August 9, 2014, 17:56 GMT

    time for CSK clowns to get lost into oblivion. dhoni, that 2-bit 20-20 joker jadeja, r ashwin - all of whom can't do their primary job. these clowns are good at beating some sub-standard bowlers into submission in 20-20, but can't develop any spine when it comes to real men playing international cricket.

  • jargan83 on August 9, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    Team India doesn't care about Test Cricket and it shows

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    1&1/2 session was lost due to rain and stil being bowled out twice inside three days and England with a key bowler down,now honestly this is beyond pathetic I don't know what to call it.

  • aaayushh on August 9, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    @ gayan even india were winning 1-0 after 2 tests.

  • CricketChat on August 9, 2014, 17:54 GMT

    Win or lose, Ind made the tests more exciting after the drudgery of the 1st test. I won't think of any changes in the Ind team for 5th test since it won't make any difference to India's fortunes. 3-1 for Eng all the way.

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 17:53 GMT

    Blunders by India in entire series

    1st. Poor Squad selection, Binny not at all an international material( just after a performance against poor team(Ban) in poor pitch) could have gien a way for an extra Bowler(say Umesh)

    2nd.Poor Team Selection( excluding Aswhin in 1st 3 matches, if at all he'd not have contributed major in his bowling, He is far more best batsmen in the current XI) Ashwin Instead of Jadeja.

    3. No Opening pair to accomply M Vijay.

    4. There isn't a strike bowler who is able to be a threat to English Batsmen( don't call Bhuvi as a threatning bowler) afterall he is the medium pace allrounder India is searching for instead of Binny, not a main bowler.

    5. Major Failure in Batting, Relying on particular 2( afterall calling Virat and Pujara as our Batting Beast) the rest of the team batted well than the Two.

    Afterall Pls Don't Blame MSD where The team he has got he had tried whatever he can do to the best of his ability, he's far more the best captain of India Still

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 9, 2014, 17:52 GMT

    @Viswanath Sankaranarayanan Yes, Kohli played well in South Africa but those pitches were bought and paid for by the BCCI. Their demands for dry wickets were met. Graeme Smith at the toss in Durban, said it was the driest wicket he had ever seen at Durban in his life...many of us SA fans were surprised how slow and dry all the wickets.

  • yohandf on August 9, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    Dear Dhoni & Co . Do you need Sanga for next test in Oval ? He ll get theses Indian s total on his own .

  • Machu.mac on August 9, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    Dear INDIA, Pls Pls atleast learn from SRI LANKA, who knos how to draw The Test match....

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    Kholi and Indian flat track bullies ending games in 3 days in England...not good enough as batsman at all

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:49 GMT

    Beaten by 3 bowlers and a part time spinner. Indian batting is a total shambles. Over rated Kholi is a walking wicket best batsman in the world. Believe your own hype Virat. Dhoni is a poor captain he needs to go

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:49 GMT

    India loses and suddenly people blame dhoni? What can you expect from a captain if none of your players are performing to half of their potential? You talk about replacement.. You cant replace Kohli Pujara Rahane Dhawan or Vijay from their recent performances. Check their stats. And inclusion of Ashwin hasnt helped much. So what can Dhoni do? Replacing him will not improve but worsen the situation only. Dear BCCI stop your time wasting on IPL and stop making flat indian pitches. No good will come from it for Indian Test players. Improve the condition of Ranji instead and create such challenging home pitches for Domestic that we'll have bowlers and batsmen that will come out better on the international level.

  • amilag on August 9, 2014, 17:49 GMT

    Indian worst team in foreign conditions! They can play and score heavily in India only! How SL did well on theese wickets, early summer, ball was more swinging..this so called best batsman (for Indians only!) are crawling and tumbling!

  • MightySriLankan on August 9, 2014, 17:49 GMT

    And they said India would do better than Sri Lanka. I'm laughing so hard. England should consider reducing the number of test matches they give to Indian in a series. I think with this poor standard they should give India only 2 test matches for a series.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:48 GMT

    Really disappointed by kohli form.Time to reshuffle batting order ajinkaya rahane should bat at no 3. India should play with four seam bowlers & Seven batsmen.shikhar dhawan should be in playing eleven.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    Once in a while, the india produces the world class players like sachin,gavaskar,kapil and dravid but collectively this nation is not capable of playing any sport. There is no real cricket in india, it is all about money machine. These players are good for eating "chappathi" and sleeping. India should be given a limited access to world cricket with the highest cost.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    Never seen such a shambolic display of meek surrender in my 20 years of passionately following Indian Cricket. Even the whitewash of 2011 seem a better performance than this utter pathetic performance.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    What an utterly spineless performance ! Will the selectors have the guts to make changes ??

  • OhDearieMe on August 9, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    Having top-edged a club medium pace trundle into my face without a helmet ten years ago, my full sympathy and hopes for a quick recovery go out to Stuart Broad.

  • VinodGupte on August 9, 2014, 17:43 GMT

    if dhoni has even a gram of shame left in him, he should quit test cricket altogether. if he quits, his gang of favourite, non-performing players such as dhawan, jadeja, nohit sharma can never be seen in all-whites. these 2-bit IPL players are a shame for the test side.

  • truecric_fan on August 9, 2014, 17:42 GMT

    Most of us Indian fans banked on Kohli to deliver but he has disappointed us. Maybe some of the big name stars like Jadeja, Ashwin etc should stick to IPL and ODIs only and BCCI should consider building a separate team for test cricket. Also MSD seems to be struggling in all 3 areas - captaincy, keeping and batting, will be nice if he is asked to step down.

  • satishsasikumar on August 9, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    If a team is undergoing a slump and facing defeats in Test matches, one of the solutions could be to arrange a Test match with India!!

  • Dhutugemunu on August 9, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    Now India can't win this series. Loosing by innings means a big defeat. Batsmen are not performing and bowling is average. Fielding is sloppy including wicketkeeping.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    Just before the England tour, Bhubi was bowling around mid 130s. Now he's bowling around 120s; any reason or is trying to be a Pollard?

  • Mani_CricketFan on August 9, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    Hope India beats England next test match starting on Independence day and get freedom from bad patch.

  • siri12345 on August 9, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    destroyed by a attack without stuart broad .virtually this game lasted only for 2 n a half days currently ind r the worst test nation to be honest .

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Disappointing from India. Losing in 3 days including weather interruptions is showing that they are not ready for 5 test matches series.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    @ ranilranathunga, thats not strictly the case, both tests went down to the wire and the won the Second test by 2 BALLS, and drew the first test by 1 WICKET. That isnt a comprehensive beating.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Whatever gone are bygones. India will lose ,but they will enter as underdogs in Icc tournaments and somehow they will win it. Kohli played beautifully in South Africa,somehow from Ipl his weakness around half stum got exposed,like what junaid khan did to him. He cant continue to bat at 4 now. Probably the player more in confidence should bat at 4. Probably rahane should bat at 4 and kholi should bat at 5. He must get a breathing space. Somehow india should search more backup batsman ,manoj tiwary deserves a go at this level along with players like karun nair who is a good batsman at first class level. India should go back to their 7 Batsman theory ,where they feel confortable . India should give shikkar a one more chance as gambir is too -ve ad shikkar is a good fielder in slip. Hope ishanth gets fit in the next game and he replaces pankaj and no other alternative rohit should replace jadeja and kholi must bat at 5 and rahane must bat at 4.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:39 GMT

    What is the difference between Zim/Bangladesh/ India…ohoo india control the game and can afford manipulate thing to go in their way also they believe in the hyper surrounding their pathetic players

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 9, 2014, 17:39 GMT

    I dont see why International cricket needs to see 5 matches of this. The quality of cricket is average at best. Part-timers made to look world class, etc. This should have been a 3 match series and save everyone a lot of time and effort.

    Its like watching a 5 match test series between New Zealand and Sri Lanka - what's the point.

  • bMike on August 9, 2014, 17:39 GMT

    Congrats boys..! As expected it's going to be another easy series win..I thought 8 for 4 was humiliating, but nine wickets in a single session is just pathetic. As usual Indian heroes in sub continental conditions have become zeroes in unfamiliar conditions. If you just forget the time that rain wasted it's less than 2 days test cricket.. What a humiliation..! I think India should not play more than 3 test per a series specially when they play away from sub continents.. or may be they should play all matches in India.

  • Sadiq1952 on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    It's time for India to either downgrade IPL or prepare a team that can play test cricket. All the present batsmen know only how to pay IPL or perhaps 50 over game. They have no competence in test cricket outside India in pace conditions. Even Gambhir lost it after the IPL stint. The likes of Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar and Ganguly were not born in a day. They played constantly and consistently in a test environment even at home. IPL destroyed test cricket. I love IPL. But that's a different game. You can't expect the IPL style batsmen to survive in test cricket. Test players must also play county cricket type games of 3-4 day duration at least.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    What a pathetic performance! If you add the total number of overs it took for this match, it is 195.1 overs. That is, 2 days and 1 hour's worth of cricket. And India was all out TWICE in the space of 89.3 overs i.e. they lost 20 wickets in a day's cricket.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    Moeen Ali taking wickets against India at Old Trafford on day 3? Is he really that good or have India been that bad?

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    @Rajesh_India_1990. Or in India's case you just keep losing and losing away from home!

  • YorkshirePudding on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    From an England perspective, the biggest issue with this England side is that the support fast bowlers are struggling to take wickets.

    While hes done well as the spinner, I still have reservations, and wont laud him until hes completed at least 10 test as hes still relatively new, and overseas analysts really havent poured over the footage to work him out, the interesting challenge will be Australia next year.

  • jaffers1 on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    Where is the Batting, the Batting, the so called best batting line in the world. Kohli is not out of form. Take him to India and see how he score on dull placid wickets. Just over hyped, India media-hyped. Indian based Cricinfo hyped - the whole batting line-up.

  • tanstell87 on August 9, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    Everybody said R Ashwin will pick English wickets....what happened he scored 86 runs & didn't pick any wicket...time for Dhoni and his bunch of jokers to go....

    make Manoj Tiwary or Gambhir as captain...put in players who have hunger to succeed...

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    Moin Ali!!!! The Kohli, all time great compared with Lara, Ponting , Richards!!!! Send him back to play some first class cricket

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    Nothing will change in Indian cricket. India' next test series is against WI on Indian soil. All batsmen will score runs there and same bunch of batsmen will go to Australia for test series and then HISTORY WILL REPEAT ITSELF.

  • PeerieTrow on August 9, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    India must be concerned about Dhoni's standard of captaincy. He just seems to have lost interest. Surely his BCCI top-cover can't continue for much longer.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:37 GMT

    with 2 tons, pujara compared to dravid, kohli to sachin n so on... if easy money and a guaranteed spot in the side is given to them so easily... They will never perform. .. The board must introduce a performance based payment system...then see how they perform... !

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    india needs players like sanga, mahela, mathews to win a test match.SL did well in england.they played really good test series in england.

  • Nigah on August 9, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    Indian players only know how to bat in Indian, in India even Ashwin can hit a 100 but in abroad Indian top class batsman looks mere club level batsman.

  • Assertive-Indian on August 9, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    I feel sorry for M.S. Dhoni, our captain. He has got to be the most unsuccessful captain when it comes to test series played abroad. Under his leadership, India has now lost 12 tests abroad, while he has won only 2. A sad record indeed. I think it is high time he resigned from test cricket and concentrated solely on ODIs and T20s. In 2011 the excuse was that the batting form of the senior players deserted them. But, now he has got a very young team of his choice, so what is the excuse now? His top order has forgotten batting again, while he, Ashwin, and, Bhuvi are possibly the best batsmen in the team now. Says a lot about our star players doesn't it?

  • m_ilind on August 9, 2014, 17:36 GMT

    BCCI should cut their million dollar contracts from this team, & accept DRS like all other teams, only then will the standard of cricket improve in the country! That's my humble suggestion!

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:35 GMT

    India's batting disappointed this series. But the biggest disappointment for India is Moen Ali getting 19 wickets.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:35 GMT

    thats very nice... got enough time for my work... it was embrassing for me to check score regularly... thsnks for england well playd Ravi Ashwin... hope Team MSD will counter attack with their best 11 this time :p

  • sumgad on August 9, 2014, 17:35 GMT

    It is time Indians cricket fans got over their hang up about cricket. There are plenty of other sports where top Indian sportsmen work a lot harder and get a $ 20 allowance per day as in the Commonwealth games. We fans have spoiled our cricketers with too much money for very little effort. They certainly appear to be no better than a school team against International teams in overseas conditions.Losing here in two and a half days has to be their worst performance.

  • neil99 on August 9, 2014, 17:34 GMT

    India didn't even last 90 overs across both innings. Shambolic. Kohli & Pujara have been abysmal all series - these so called world class batsmen are no more than test cricket flat track bullies.

    It's great for England to be winning after such a bad run, but with Cook at the helm they'll crumble against stronger opposition. Winning 2 out of 12 tests including at home to SL is still very poor, and we should not forget this. Unfortunately though, the selectors will.

  • tanstell87 on August 9, 2014, 17:34 GMT

    time for MS Dhoni to quit test captaincy...lost in England & Austrlia in 2011....lost in South Africa & New Zealand and it looks most likely India will lose the 5th test & the series 3-1 at The Oval...he made sure all other captain material players Gambhir, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Harbhajan to be out of Indian team & now leading with his favorites Ashwin & Jadeja...why was Ashwin played in this test to boost his batting average....Ashwin & Dhoni should look how Moeen Ali bowled with aggressive intent & got wickets...whenever Ashwin comes in to bowl, he looks to contain batsmen & starts bowling negative lines from round the wicket...this is not T20 or ODI cricket...this is test cricket...get some bowlers who can bowl fast...

    time for Dhoni to go...how many years he is going to lead...give the captaincy to Gambhir, even if he is not scoring with his aggressive captaincy India will be able to put pressure on England...

  • vijaytriambak on August 9, 2014, 17:34 GMT

    Anuj Sharma....No even God can win with the shity batsmen in the team and useless fielders dropping catches...Dont bad mouth Dhoni ! Fletcher - I don't know what is he doing anyways!

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:34 GMT

    come on mate !!! wanna refund my ticket for 4th day as Indian drama finished within 3 days,lol

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    A disastrous performance by India, a team known for high scoring star batsmen. What a shame! Just wondering this Indian team should have forfeited the match instead of losing so shamefully! This Indian team needs a complete overhaul of players, coach and other administrative staff! Disgustful performances by Indian players!

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    A very big win for England. Congratulations. One of the worst defeat for India for a long time. Hope they will come up with some respectable competition in the next test.

  • neil99 on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    India didn't even last 90 overs across both innings. Shambolic. Kohli & Pujara have been abysmal all series - these so called world class batsmen are no more than test cricket flat track bullies.

    It's great for England to be winning after such a bad run, but with Cook at the helm they'll crumble against stronger opposition. Winning 2 out of 12 tests including at home to SL is still very poor, and we should not forget this. Unfortunately though, the selectors will.

  • markatnotts on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    @pro_test, it won't count in his eyes. The Purjara incorrect decision will probably make the decision null and void. England of course never have any bad decisions going against them lol!

  • RayMcCooney on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    Moeen has always been recognised in the counties as a quick learning, intelligent cricketer. If his progress continues he'll become one of the first to inked-in at future selection meetings.

  • lionspaw on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    Sri Lanka won the match against England less than a month ago in this same ground and SO CALLED WORLD CHAMPIONS India loose with an innings. Excuse time for INDIAN FANS

  • crazycric67 on August 9, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    So, India have managed another humiliating defeat.England is spared of batting for the second innings. Full credit to England bowlers.They have clearly spotted our weakness and bowled in the right areas in spite of the absence of Stuart Broad. India has very serious problems to solve in their batting.Nobody has shown the temperament to stay in the crease except Ashwin. He seems to be a good prospect as an opening batsman. The way india batted shows they are not going to learn from their mistakes. They should learn from the SL who has just achieved a series win against this England. We are heading for a 3-1 defeat.

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on August 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    The batsmen lack technique to play moving ball. You can't learn that at the nets and by listening to Duncan Fletcher however experienced he might be. The only way to learn is to go out and play in the middle and get used to the alien conditions. For that you need to play competitive matches against first class opposition. Instead India have opted for a full 5 test tour without any first class matches before or between the test matches! The short sighted commerical considerations motivating the BCCI, in addition to Fletcher's well-known antipathy towards test players playing first class cricket, are responsible. In the last few overseas series, the players hardly had any warmup matches - this time they arrived early with plenty of time to prepare but without any competitive cricket in the schedule between test matches. So someone like Gambhir walks out to open without having played any competitive cricket for several months. Someone like Dhawan has no opportunity to tweak his game.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    Ordinary cricket, average Indian attack, batting only good for Indian pitches, kohli only a star for 20/20 and one dayers in mohali chinai and Mumbai (and eden gardens or other grounds that I missed) playing a 5 test series in English summer, more suited to play 5 tests against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    Aaaannnnnndddddd Gone.! I think India is looking for another 3 years of winless streak in Overseas and then most ridiculed bowler (criticized more than actually he deserves) will bowl a match winning spell and win. And then Overconfident India will lose the rest of the matches without even putting up a fight. Now the question in everybody's mind is that what the heck Ashwin was not played in the first 3 matches? It won't surprise me now even if India goes for 0/10. (Sorry, I forgot that Bowlers are more talented batsmen than specialist batsmen in team India) so i'd say 50/10.

  • CrICkeeet on August 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    First of all, I beg ur pardon Moeen Ali.. yes, congr8z u played well but these "flat deck puppets" make u superb!! i'm not talking about result but 19 wickets given to Ali is just excuseless! specially its not a spin bowling condition. pretty clear they hav some serious lack of skill..

  • Maduka43 on August 9, 2014, 17:32 GMT

    Remember your words mate!! I feel sorry for you.

    Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (August 9, 2014, 17:19 GMT) You win some you lose some...that's cricket...that's sports..that's life..India will be back with a bang

  • Mani_CricketFan on August 9, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    I think now BCCI should stop sending this team to foriegn tour and start sending under-19 team instead. Atleast the players will get some experience from it. If this team can't get 200 for 3 innings in a row, its waste of time and money to send them to foreign tour. Also, its time to change the test captain. Dhoni lacks the captaincy skill in test. ODI and T20s he is unparallel but not for test. Current team can't play swing nor they are able to play spin. Wish SRT, Dravid, Laxman come back for next test.

  • rk_ks on August 9, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    No wonder India is not suited for test matches outside Asia. Dhoni and team will not even review the performances and will always think about how to keep the dressing room happy. India will just relax today and then go sight seeing and then practice the day before next match and then play without any plan. Dhoni what is your plan to get England out in the next test. And Mr.Coach what is your plan to improve the batting of players running low in confidence. Does coach exist at all in our team.

  • Pritt32 on August 9, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    The BCCI should seriously address the issues affecting Indian cricket. The team struggled to go past 200 in three innings. This is a serious concern. Comprehensively beaten by England in only three days at Old Trafford, which raise alarm bells. I do not think the problem will be solved overnight. In the fifth test, I expect India to be defeated again as their confidence and morale of the team are low. They should rest players like Gambhir, Pujara and Kholi, so that they can sort their technique and generally consider playing county cricket for a year to enhance their prospects as test players rather than rubbish ipl. The team has sub standard players like Jadeja in the squad. Ashwin should be promoted the order. Dhoni needs to be dropped as captain. Changes need to made before the fifth test with a few fresh players. Sri Lanka played better than India in England. Retaing the same line up of players will create further humilation as they cannot bat long innings. The team needs help.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    They knew a hurricane was coming and it was going to be a washout. Something doesnt smell correctly. I feel India dropped it deliberately.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Very poor performance from the team.... when Ashwin can bat soo good why can't the others ? Major concerns are the out of form Kohli and Pujara. Hell lot to think about before going to Australia. phew !!!!

  • prij on August 9, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    India need to learn a lesson here they have shown that they have talent but they are either just to lazy or their temperament is very poor. moeen ali bowled good but even English fan will agree that he does not deserve 19 wickets. that shows how poorly india have batted in last two matches. one thing that came out good is that bowling has some potential so if they get good first innings score at last test they just might draw this series which will be good for their confidence considering how poor they have performed in last two matches (please publish)

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    kohli poor form explanation- He didn't miss any ball but he knicked everything

  • gurusInd on August 9, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    Congrats England! Moeen's bowling is average but the confidence of Indian batting is very low also Team India has to learn the attacking field settings for a spinner. They are not worried about flowing runs they mainly focused only on getting wickets. But one happy thing is Ashwin really batted well against Ali, I don't think he will give way to Rohit. A spinner who can bat confidently and if we have four pacers (also Bhuvi can bat) it will be very handy in terms of batting as well as bowling..See Ashwin's strike rate 95 in 1st and 82 in 2nd innings does he is going to compete with Viru?

  • prasad1969 on August 9, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    India loses by an innings to an English attack shorn of its highest wicket taker in the 1st innings.

    after continuous reversals, the Indian Team, management and BCCI is oblivious to the many shortcomings that prevents them from being successful in test matches abroad, despite the embarrassment of riches on hand. The team under-performs constantly and shows inexplicable ineptitude to learn from mistakes and commits the same set of errors against quality teams abroad. Dogmatism in accepting the benefits of DRS- irrespective of its inherent flaws, not remedying the domestic infrastructure to better prepare payers for foreign tours and prioritizing commercial benefits over actual development of players are serious errors being continuously perpetrated by BCCI, resulting in the position the team finds itself in.

    unless pragmatic steps are taken, cricket India will continue being embarrassed abroad, a situation neither the Indian Team nor the cricket loving public deserves to be in.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:29 GMT

    South africa is the best team in test cricket but still zim manages to cross 240 Shamefull cricket form indian players they cant even cross 200 in both innings

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:29 GMT

    To be very honest as an Indian cricket fan, BCCI should learn now that our team is not ready for test cricket. Too much one day t20 is the main reason. Guys are not ready to play test. It has been evident that MSD can never lead Indian team for test cricket.

  • BeAHuman on August 9, 2014, 17:29 GMT

    The only solution is to sack both MSD and Fletcher with immediate effect. Otherwise, Indian cricket will suffer irreversible damage. All the good work of 2001 to 2011 has been undone by Dhoni's polished and subtle arrogance, stubbornness, and even vested interests. If he continues in Tests, Indian cricket will sink into oblivion. Some people become too powerful. Everyone knows it but they cant' do anything. Similar to where Azaruddin took India, MSD is taking India down. Series after series has been lost. First the seniors were blamed and removed. But after Eng 2011 and Aus 2012, MSD got his team. VVS, Dravid had gone. India started to lose at home as well. Shewag went. Zaheer gone. But what are the new guys doing? Almost 2 plus years and not even acceptable draws or fighting spirit shown. But India seem to trample everyone off it.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 17:28 GMT

    @ Rajesh_india_1990: "You win some you lose some..."

    Yeah. Except that in India's case you have to change it to "You win one, you lose a dozen!" LOL

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:27 GMT

    Zimbabwe are performing better than Advertisement players.

  • franciscan_educated on August 9, 2014, 17:27 GMT

    I had predicted at the start of the game that this match would be over by Lunch on day 3. Considering that 2 sessions were lost ............ I will consider my predictions were spot on. @AlisterCook, hey Cookie how about you ask India to Bat again for the 3rd time. And then chase down the runs.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:27 GMT

    b kohli 8 plop..pujara 8. plop dawan 6 plop..so who will drop them any body have guts..no that's why they dnt have fear...selctore dropping who some of hard cricketrs, ..like robin uttappa .tivari. .jadav. ..just A tour plop robin he drop..main and Dhoni fevrates what they doing tell me.........

  • TRAM on August 9, 2014, 17:26 GMT

    Time to make Ashwin the captain. Time for Dhoni's retirement.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:26 GMT

    "You dont need big names, you need commitment to win matches".

  • ranilranathunga on August 9, 2014, 17:24 GMT

    SRI LANKA went to Eng in EARLY summer with difficult conditions and managed to win the series without losing any test and outplayed ENG in all 3 formats. INDIANs are proving there are the flack track bullies in the subcontinent and KOHLI is struggling big time. Where are the INDIAN fans who were boasting they are going to whitewash ENG, when SL won the test match...OMG you INDIAN FANS..

  • Biggus on August 9, 2014, 17:24 GMT

    Never mind, India are absolutely certain to win the next game.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:23 GMT

    ohhh where are the arguments that the Indian batting line up is better than SL??? where are the Indian fans who said that if SL beat England then India will whitewash England?? where are the Indians who said that England is a below par team???? now arguing that they would perform better if they changed the batting line up. lmao joke of the century

  • bvvsRamarao on August 9, 2014, 17:23 GMT

    History is going to repeat again . T20 effects makes test suffer . Dhoni has to take responsibility while selecting players. i think he is rotating players who is common to all formats of the game ex: Jadeja,Ashwin,rohit,suresh,vijay, even they are failing continuously recently dhawan . Now talking about dhawan , he has 44 avg in 1st class career but wasim jaffer has 50 avg. This is the one example to actually point the selection.

  • SirViv1973 on August 9, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    Well that was shambolic from ind, getting rolled out in 43 against a bowling attack without 1 of its 2 senior bowlers is simply not acceptable at this level.

  • VinodGupte on August 9, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    the first thing Sandeep Patil needs to do is kick Dhoni out of the test team. his selections are bizarre. his keeping is nothing to write home about. and his batting in tests is poor (this test notwithstanding). if he goes, other passengers such as jadeja who, at best, is a 2-bit 20-20 hustler, nohit sharma and shikhar dhawan would go too. this was a shambolic performance and dhoni must step down (if not kicked out) if he has even an ounce of self-esteem.

    time to "rest" pujara and kohli too. kohli thinks he is not above criticism and takes his GF on the tour. enough.

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 9, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    Its Bye Bye Dhoni in Test cricket after this series. Again some ego wickets to Ali. Indian batsmen should have spent some time and given some respect to Ali. Broad was anyways out they just needed to see of Anderson and punish bad balls from others. Congrats to Ali but Still not convinced that Ali is Engs best spinner.

  • sherrytowers on August 9, 2014, 17:22 GMT

    The problem with these young Indian batsmen is their lack of exposure to quality bowlers and bowler friendly wickets. This can be cured only through playing matches like these thereby gaining experience and learning from their mistakes or else BCCI should do a better job at the domestic level to make the players more comfortable playing against quick's, this may involve sending domestic players out to, may be, county cricket leagues in England, Australia etc.. And bowlers too will get experience from it. If they cannot do that, then the only option is to take these failures as positive signs that things will improve in the future. Also one final thought is that these players shouldn't be drafted into the first team at very young ages even before they prove themselves at the domestic level consistently.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:21 GMT

    Pathetic Indian performance..... Pathetic Batting Performance.... Go play some county cricket... Stop playing IPL in flat tracks... India is not even a flat track bully anymore... Loosing 19 wickets to a Moeen Ali!!!!!! And they pride themselves on playing spin well!!!!!!!! Currently this is the best team India can amass.... Vijay, Dhawan, Gambhir, Kohli, Pujara, Rahane...... Well they did better than 2011!!! won a test match at Lords!!!! Thats their whole tournament...

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:20 GMT

    India the great pretenders of cricket. Champions at home hopeless outside of India. The trend continues!!

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:20 GMT

    India doesn't deserve 5 test series. Based on their quality they r only good for 2 test per series

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on August 9, 2014, 17:19 GMT

    You win some you lose some...that's cricket...that's sports..that's life..India will be back with a bang

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:19 GMT

    How many of these embarracing moments india will have to face..what a shame

  • siri12345 on August 9, 2014, 17:19 GMT

    @arun bose u were absolutely right yesterday that india will improve a lot in 2nd innings and as we can see india scored 9 runs more than their first innings score

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:17 GMT

    Indians ...... What happened to you hero Kohli averaging only 30 in 2014. You talked a lot too early. Don't even try to compare him with all time greats.

  • Selfishkar on August 9, 2014, 17:17 GMT

    Those who criticise the current Indian line-up are conveniently forgetting that the last Indian side that toured England was whitewashed 0-4 included al-time over-hyped players like Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman and Harbhajan.

  • pro_test on August 9, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    @Arun Bose. Where are you?. With England winning this test they cant lose the series. What happened to your predictions and last laugh?

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    India should be embarrassed. They have done absolutely nothing right this whole series. Now everybody will blame Dhoni for it. He has made many mistakes as well, but for this game, I feel the Selection was right. At least that's what I thought until they all started up crumbling in less than 100 AGAIN, and that too against a part time bowler. I wonder what will be the excuse today for being really bad. Team India A should have played instead of this team with "big names" India A shows hunger. If they can't win, they'll at least fight back unlike this team. I'll always support Team India in a good or bad times, but current team that represents India do not realize their mistakes and fix them. Instead, they keep repeating it again and again and again. I am a fan of India but before that, I am a fan of Cricket. I want England to win this series, and I am sure they will.

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    I'm a good supporter of Dhoni and never spoke anything hard about him till now . If he cannot win us next match then he along with Fletcher needs to go. As simple as that

  • UnbiasedCricFan on August 9, 2014, 17:14 GMT

    Surely every guy here blaming Dhoni for the horrendous batting, should realise he captains the fielding and bowling, the batsmen is on his own with the captain on the sidelines. Dhoni made some poor decisions in the field but they did get ENG all out for less than 400 which is good. The lead should of not been that high if the top order batted with responsibility, You can blame Dhoni for his field positions and bowling changes but not for the batting of the rest of the team. Batting is what really lost us this game. Ashwin and Dhoni only guys for the order capable of making the runs.

    If Ishant is fit for the final test we can salvage a series draw, with the playing 11 being the same as what was in the first two tests. With the exception of Ashwin staying in for Jadeja and Aaron being in for Shami.

  • SirViv1973 on August 9, 2014, 17:13 GMT

    Incredible how indias batsman can't play the part time spin of moin.

  • prakash_mishra on August 9, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    Virat Kohli's ineptness in test matches and on difficult pitches is being highlighted in this series. Well Believe me this generation of Batsmen are nowhere close to the likes of Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly. Pujara and Kohli have been the biggest disappointment in this series and their continuous failures make us question their ability and their class as a quality batsman. Well they will still perform on Sub-Continent flat pitches, but it seems the great promises are not to be fulfilled.

  • Oracle_Magus on August 9, 2014, 17:10 GMT

    It's good to see the English team back in form. Many of our friends commenting here is forgetting that, there are only very few occasions where any Indian team has won test series outside the sub continent in the past. So why all the fuss about them not performing. The Champions Trophy, World cup and T20 have been under MSD'S captaincy. And now the expectations are way beyond what the team can deliver. Most of the test playing nations win in their home grounds. Sri Lankan win in England and then the loss back at home is not an usual scenario. Constant changing the players will not help, but the techniques of their best players needs to be improved. Their confidence needs to be boosted and all that will happen only if their spot in the team is assured. Good luck team India for the remaining matches. Cheers!!!

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:09 GMT

    Indian players are good ipl player.... there,they give their best performance. ...

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:07 GMT

    DRS was 1st tested against a SL vs IND series.since IND was unable to make use of the system in that series,they started hating it for no reason.It`s really funny

  • on August 9, 2014, 17:05 GMT

    To lose by an innings when 2 sessions were lost in Rain & one of their strike bowler is injured & their part time bowler almost got most wickets in series sure it get some taking?

  • thalagune on August 9, 2014, 17:05 GMT

    india are the most overrated flat track bully team,,,what thaey getting here they very well desrve ..

  • franciscan_educated on August 9, 2014, 17:04 GMT

    This guy Ashwin is the most confident India batsman. Why not bring him at number 4 and Kohli down to number 8. And really what is Jadega's role in the team ? Just a warm body ?? Cmon guys lets get a good opponent here that will go down fighting ! BCCI stop wasting money on IPL and send your boys for a stint at the English county. Atleast that way your players will get to play good cricket in Swinging and fast conditions. Credit to all the Curators for preparing such good wickets barring Trent Bridge.

  • msa88 on August 9, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    i can't understand the role of jadeja.whether he's bowler or batsman???? he is surely not a test player.need to bring additional fast bowler in place for him for next match.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    Indian fans always seem to be arguing that things would have been fine if only we had selected X instead of Y, or that A should have batted higher up the order than B, or that P should have been given more overs to bowl than Q. And on and on and on.

    Have they ever considered that their players overall, are just not good enough?!

  • krishnaSun on August 9, 2014, 17:03 GMT

    i am sure india will loose because they underestimated offspin of moin ali. Also wastage by keeping jadeja in the team. we can see how ashwin is better than jadeja in all aspect.

  • crindo77 on August 9, 2014, 17:02 GMT

    BCCI are milking the desperate support for cricket from millions of Indians starved of ANY sporting success. All this strutting and brash arrogance, and these prima donnas can't bat a full day unless the pitch is as dead as Julius Caesar. Couple of hundreds and Pujara is the new Dravid and Rahane the new Laxman. Batting consultants who are part time commentators. A coach who looks and plans like an overfed sphinx. SHAME SHAME SHAME. Call off the Australia Tests now, otherwise lynching on the cards after another thrashing.

  • entryholedia on August 9, 2014, 17:01 GMT

    It was written all over for a 5-0 loss . But something happened like a kanpur track at trent bridge & them the English dropped catches like nine pins & we had the lead of 319 for the 4th Innings . For once Ishant bowled or was made to work hard by Dhoni with his bouncers . If anyone noticed Ishant after each effort ball he was gasping and crouching down , which gave clear indications of his problem that ultimately transpired in him being sidelined . Thus without Ishant we were a toothless attack & Bhuvi being the same way as was parveen kumar in '2011 tour . Our butterfingered slip fielders dropped catches and allowed English to score big & them Moeen bowled good offspin and we played him to hit him out of the attack and lost . Now we are on the same track as thge 1974 side when we lost on the third afternoon bowled out for 42 and now we are slightly better scoring three figures but ending or close to ending on the third day . Probably these are the only consoling thoughts for dhoni

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 16:57 GMT

    @GeoffreysMother Yep I'm still watching. Delighted to have successfully tempted fate. Perhaps my club game getting cancelled wasn't too bad after all.

    In all seriousness excellent from England without Broad. Though India have made things easy for them. And the improved catching has helped.

    Now finish it off. No issues bowling to tail enders. Finish it off.

  • Selfishkar on August 9, 2014, 16:57 GMT

    When the team on Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman has been whitewashed 0-4, the current side did better by winning one a lords and drawing the first test, nothing to be ashamed.

  • neil99 on August 9, 2014, 16:57 GMT

    England obliterating this pitiful India side with 3 bowlers and a part time off spinner. It's really pathetic stuff from Dhoni & co, their supporters should be fuming.

    At least Arun Bose won't go hungry tonight. He'll be too busy eating his words.

  • neil99 on August 9, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    England obliterating this pitiful India side with 3 bowlers and a part time off spinner. It's really pathetic stuff from Dhoni & co, their supporters should be fuming.

    At least Arun Bose won't go hungry tonight. He'll be too busy eating his words.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    Some people still don't understand DRS. It is not there to favor one team or the other. It is there to prevent howlers from umpires leaving a bad taste in the mouths. Back in the days when we didn't have sophisticated technology, whatever the umpires said was final. And there was no way to check if they were right or wrong. But now there are ways to see if they made blunders. It only makes sense to provide the teams access to the technology that the TV stations have.

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    @salil247 I didn't mention anything about the lack of DRS hurting India more than England (though it probably has :-D). It just used it as a reference point for why to use DRS.

    India have no decent reason for not wanting DRS. It has been proven to be more accurate than humans. FACT. To me it seems that India are just using it to demonstrate their stranglehold on world cricket. It's purely political. However I don't believe it should impact their players. I bet their players wish DRS was there, because decisions become more accurate.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:53 GMT

    Home Tiger's in trouble

  • Englishmanabroad on August 9, 2014, 16:53 GMT

    SMKhanRiz:: I think Anderson is the leading wicket taker in the series with 21. Ali is second with 19. ( think that is what I just read on the screen.)

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:53 GMT

    @Whirlaway. As always you don't hear a peep from Arun Bose when India are being Humilated by a Part time spinner. His posts are just becoming more and more ridiculous , and in his true fashion I'll end with MARK MY WORD ha ha.

  • DesaiVijay on August 9, 2014, 16:52 GMT

    One thing that only BCCI understands is why it is accepting DRS!!!!. I think ICC should make it mandatory to all.

    The other thing is the decisions that Dhoni takes. On day one of Manchester Test Someone not much aware of the game would also have probably bowled. Knowing fully well the present state of Indian Batsman and also given conditions were the best for our bowlers to perform, still Dhoni opts to Bat!!! *Something fishy*

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:51 GMT

    India came to play a T20 and forgot it is a test match.

  • yogicoolboy on August 9, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    I think Bcci Should make a system, when India travel abroad they should pay money to the players who are performing, Not the non performing ones, then Indian team will come on track. I think Indian team are getting scared when they are playing spinners anderson and broad

  • crockit on August 9, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    Broad off for X-ray. Any loss of him for next test would intensify the situation which is already emerging - which is that Jordan and Woakes - despite their potential and all-round ability are not looking like taking many wickets. Stokes must come back in, Plunkett if fit and if not then Finn (note how Jordan and Woakes don't always keep it tight so if you are going to leak runs let it be via a proven wicket taking bowler)

  • HDG1978 on August 9, 2014, 16:49 GMT

    Dhoni and his team are an embarassment to Indian cricket. Mind you, this is not a knee-jerk reaction. I always had a poor opinion about Dhoni as Test captain. India was thrashed in England and Australia 3 years ago but Indian cricket has learnt nothing from it. The phase of the Fab 4,Kumble and Sehwag brought unprecedented success for India in Tests abroad. Though a lot was expected from Pujara and Kohli, they have proved my doubts correct. They are not in the same league as Dravid and Tendulkar.Indian fans should realize this and understand that India are back to the phase of the '90s bar the one difference. Tendulkar's batting used to be the bright spot in many Indian Test defeats abroad. Nothing of that sort can be expected from this lot. India needs to take time and rebuild but the BCCI mandarins should realize that it is time to look beyond Dhoni as he consistently backs the wrong players depending on who are his favourites. That is hurting Indian cricket and its numerous fans.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:48 GMT

    TEST CRICKET BATTING AVERAGES AS OF NOW: Kohli 42, Dhoni 38, Ashwin 41, Bhuvanesh 30, Jadeja 24. Surely Ashwin should bat at 6? He has batted very well even in Australia and now in England, with centuries in India. Neither he nor Jadeja can bowl well enough to be in as a bowler overseas, but RA can certainly bat against seam and bounce well enough to bat at 6. That gives India 5 bowlers. Now at The Oval, they will also need a specialist wrist-spinner like Shreyas Gopal. SOS Yadav for Pankaj and Gopal for Jadeja.

  • samvarma on August 9, 2014, 16:47 GMT

    Moe shame, thanks to the spineless paper tigers. Come back, play in placid indian tracks and win more advertisement income..come back soon...no point playing next test with this spineless attitude.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    Wonder if the Indian cricket board will try and ban Swing and Spin bowling from Test cricket seeing India can't play either ha ha , looks like Test cricket for India will be played under arm bowling with no DRS.

  • gurusInd on August 9, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    First thing dear sir Jadeja please drop yourself and take out the blockage from the team, you can bowl one whole day without taking wickets and cannot bat its frustrating. This test we lost from the 1st innings, England is deserved to win this game. There is no fighting spirit from Indian top order its very disappointing. Seems Ashwin is better batsman and he looks more confident than the top four, casually taking the English bowling attack At least for the sake of fans, next test Dhoni should go with 4 pacers and 1 spinner. Bhuvi, Aaron, Umesh/Ishwar/Binny, Shami/Ishant and Ashwin and for sure Kholi has to be rested, looks he is under too much pressure let him come fresh for the one day and bring the in form guy Naman Ojha. Previously Indian bowling was pathetic and now Indian batting is too pathetic, looks they need a special session on how to take a spin. Don't know what happened suddenly to the confidence in the Indian Batting, they are letting down the great batting legends.

  • yogicoolboy on August 9, 2014, 16:42 GMT

    what is wrong with indian players. All are getting out to part time spinners. Really shame to see quality players getting out to part time spin. Dont know whats wrong. I guess jadeja needs a break. India needs ishant back. He and kumar are the only bowlers who have looked like taking wickets.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:41 GMT

    Indian public give unnecessarily attention to the indian cricketers.They should take note of other sports also.

  • yogesh.gg on August 9, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    I think BCCI has to pull up their socks and make different team altogether for tests. We have abundant talent languishing in domestic circuit which doesn't comes to light. Its high time that India should harness the hunger of such talented players and groom a altogether different team for Test matches. Those players should be paid in higher slab and banned from playing IPL and any T20 stuff. We can't let these spoilt brats of T20 like Virat , Jadeja etc soil the pride of nation.

    I refuse the take argument that this is new team , well Sachin , Dravid, Ganguly etc played well in their most of their first tours of England and elsewhere. There is some serious lack of concentration and application. They won't take catches , won't make runs then what are they doing in this team ? Come on BCCI. Pls publish.

  • cricchanel.com on August 9, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    Alarming situation for India and Team management, this is due to T20 fever in Indian cricket. T20 format is at its peak in India and players are not ready to switch back to Test attitude. Best of Luck for India to avoid for an inning defeat.

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:39 GMT

    Will Ashwin Play the same innings (91 not out against England at Kolkata) again to save an Innings defeat

  • crindo77 on August 9, 2014, 16:38 GMT

    How much longer for this Fletcher Dhoni combo? Old team, new team, young team, ageing team, fresh team, experienced team, brave team. All teams loser team. Do us expats a favour, don't play Tests abroad. Surely BCCI with all its powers can manage that? DISGUSTING

  • Captainman on August 9, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    Indian batsman can't play when the ball is spinning nor when ball is seaming, bouncing and swinging. Good luck when you tour Australia and good to see the overly inflated batting averages of Indian batsman souring down for once and further come down under :)

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:37 GMT

    Ravi Ashwin certainly Looking as the Best Batsmen of the Indian Team in the current series, then why on Earth he has been left out in the 1st 3 test matches?. If there is a doubt in his bowling in overseas, he should be in the playing 11 atleast for his Batting. India would have saved the 3rd Test match if Ashwin had come instead of Rohit

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    Anybody seen the resident astrologer who said he could "see" the future and that India would win the series?!

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    I feel sad for Dhoni the batsmen his mate bastsmen just left him alone with humilation to suffer, with his only option counter attacking that is to go after every ball! Poor chap! And they say he should leave captaincy?? YES he should this is a even poorer side to get his services!

  • yogesh.gg on August 9, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    I think BCCI has to pull up their socks and make different team altogether for tests. We have abundant talent languishing in domestic circuit which doesn't comes to light. Its high time that India should harness the hunger of such talented players and groom a altogether different team for Test matches. Those players should be paid in higher slab and banned from playing IPL and any T20 stuff. We can't let these spoilt brats of T20 like Virat , Jadeja etc soil the pride of nation.

    I refuse the take argument that this is new team , well Sachin , Dravid, Ganguly etc played well in their most of their first tours of England and elsewhere. There is some serious lack of concentration and application. They won't take catches , won't make runs then what are they doing in this team ? Come on BCCI. Pls publish.

  • King900 on August 9, 2014, 16:32 GMT

    DHONI should have asked England to bat first. What happened to checking past results and past pitch conditions ? Secondly, KHOLI has now been exposed.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:32 GMT

    Nothing seems to be going in India's favour this test. At this point of time India should desperately try to avoid an humiliating innings defeat or else it would be difficult for Dhoni to face a post match conference

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:31 GMT

    Yess india deserves this. Infact they should get all out today and celebrate raksha bandhan..

  • SajithaD on August 9, 2014, 16:30 GMT

    @Rajesh_india_1990, surely mate...Lot of stress during past few years for die hard indian fans... It will be nice to have few psychologists if india continue to play like this... Anyway you don't mind it india will surely win...

  • ren1 on August 9, 2014, 16:29 GMT

    what is doing jadeja in the team. Jadeja not test player. we miss Yadav in this team. Next match Jadeja out. Pandeyor Ishant will replace him.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:27 GMT

    few of u are talking abt drs. yep it is important to talk about it but then what team india is really missing is viru. arguably one of the greatest match winner of the game.he did perform decently in ipl and l think he should hav been picked up. i know all footwork theories will come up.but then he is indeed one of the greatest batsman to have played the game and by the lets not forget about his overseas record in his early part of the career.he already getting old and probably he can play for another year and half or so so its high time we make use of it

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:27 GMT

    Just thought that MSD will save an Innings defeat, all of a sudden, more luck for Moen ALi

  • Pritt32 on August 9, 2014, 16:26 GMT

    India looking to head for another crushing defeat from a jubliant England team. It will happen today. India need to make changes for the fourth test and drop a number of players like Pujara, Kholi, Jadeja, Gambhir, who are not batting well and team is losing 6 wickets too quickly below 100. Their performances are unacceptable at this level. The weather will not save India. India are pathetic and shameful team to watch.

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:25 GMT

    So far These days am only checking my hometown(Chennai) weather. From nowhere I am looking for Manchester's weather, which is nothing to do with me personally

  • sherrytowers on August 9, 2014, 16:24 GMT

    The problem with these young Indian batsmen is their lack of exposure to quality bowlers and bowler friendly wickets. This can be cured only through playing matches like these thereby gaining experience and learning from their mistakes or else BCCI should do a better job at the domestic level to make the players more comfortable playing against quick's, this may involve sending domestic players out to, may be, county cricket leagues in England, Australia etc.. And bowlers too will get experience from it. If they cannot do that, then the only option is to take these failures as positive signs that things will improve in the future. Also one final thought is that these players shouldn't be drafted into the first team at very young ages even before they prove themselves at the domestic level consistently.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    I'm not sure what's worse, India being bowled out by a part time spinner along with Woakes and Jordan with Broad off with his feet up laughing. Or India's laughable batting strategy of let's just swing the bat.

  • priceless1 on August 9, 2014, 16:20 GMT

    is Kholi Anderson's favourite bunny :D

  • siddhartha87 on August 9, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    Kohli should learn how to play quality pace bowling from Brendan Taylor. He played a beautiful innings against Steyn and co earlier today

  • salil247 on August 9, 2014, 16:18 GMT

    @CodandChips- For the umpteenth time- DRS or the lack of it, can and will work BOTH ways. Is that so hard to understand? Or does India have carte clanche with Lady Luck that once India opts for DRS, they alone will benefit from it?

  • Syed_imran_abbas on August 9, 2014, 16:17 GMT

    Well done England.. Well bowled well batted and than well bowled again.. Good bowling by moin.. India is too ordinary.

  • DanielRob on August 9, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    Pathetic, Shameful, terrible, gutless... Performance by India. Its a shame that they are surrendering to a part time spinner. This team like The Mighty Aussies needs a complete change. Right from the top to the bottom. They need to change the coach first. Fletcher should have been changed long ago after we lost 8-0 same with the captain. This team is not a Test team. Its a shame when we call this team a Test side. SL, Pak are far better test sides from the subcontinent than India. I am really ashamed to be a fan of this Indian team, no more though. Toothless bowling worthless batting worst fielding. They don't deserve to play cricket. A disgrace to the game. Come back. Don't spoil the country's name.

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:15 GMT

    well india deserves this another loss

  • chechong0114 on August 9, 2014, 16:12 GMT

    You just have to feel sorry for this Indian cricket team, I understand the importance of Indian cricket to the finances of he International world but I just feel that these players are not getting enough time to prepare themselves between series. Not much rest time all year round every year its the same routine, how in the world are they going to be ever able to be mentally ready for each series especially big series like this when they are playing all the time. Its just not fair and my heart goes out to these poor players. The expectations of 600 million people on their shoulders, it really is unrealistic. BCCI is just not seeing the damage they are doing to their professionals, the team just looks really BAD out on the field and to be fair to them they really are a better team than they have been playing. The thing is these people (BCCI) are very educated humans why in the world do they continue to behave otherwise consistently like that, what do they have to gain from this?

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:12 GMT

    Jadeja is not a specialist bowler or a batsman so he should not be in a test team, rohit sharma is specialist batsman bring back rohit he is the best batsman. Captain dhoni looks tired and is not able to dive to catch a ball. Dhoni have completely failed as test wicket keeper and test captain. India must do something they cannot be 60 for 6 every time

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:09 GMT

    5th Test, Incoming Rohit, Ishant(if Fit), Outgoing, jadeja, Pankaj

  • AnupamRaj on August 9, 2014, 16:08 GMT

    This coach and captain needs to go NOW! We can't wait till the next world cup is over. We'll be out in the qualifying stages anyways. Its frustrating as an Indian cricket fan to see team perform so poorly so consistently.

    And no, India didn't win the world cup because of Dhoni's brilliant captainship. It was DESPITE of his captainship India won the world cup.

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:06 GMT

    Why jadeja ahead of Ashwin, not only Indians , The English itself will think, when you have a Quality Batsmen, why play him with the Tailenders

  • franciscan_educated on August 9, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    This Indian team is worse than the one from 2011. Need to stop buying 5 day tickets to watch Test matches. What a waste of money !!!!!!

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    just confused as why Indian spinners can't take wickets but Ali is destroying them apart :(

  • y4yoga on August 9, 2014, 16:04 GMT

    The only changes after this series India have to make is to accept DRS, One wrong decision, then remaing collapse, not only this particular innings, but also in the recent past. Wondering what would have happened now if that Decision was given not out again Pujara

  • GeoffreysMother on August 9, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    Has too much IPL meant that India have forgotton how to bowl or play spin in test match conditions?

  • SMKhanRizvi on August 9, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    Moeen Ali is now joint second highest wicket taker in the series. He is tied on 18 wickets with Bhuvneshwar. Part-timer??

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    So Indians can not play spin .... so what is left in their batting. they cant play on bouncy/seaming/fast wickets.

  • GeoffreysMother on August 9, 2014, 16:02 GMT

    Cod and Chips 'This match looks to be a bore draw.' Oops spoke too soon. I hope you are still watching!

  • on August 9, 2014, 16:02 GMT

    Well done India, Well on the way to an Innings defeat with 2 days to spare. At least the players can go on a well deserved sight seeing trip.

  • UnbiasedCricFan on August 9, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    India Lost now, only thing can save india is the weather, will rain tomorrow. Vijay being lazy, Gauti being vulnerable to the short ball, Pujara given a bad decision, Rahane playing a loose shot and bad shot, Kholi again not playing his natural game, Jadeja is being Jadeja. Not as big of a loss in 2011 but this will probably be Dhoni's last as a captain for test. Unless he can bring the series to a draw or at least this match.

  • krishnaSun on August 9, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    This is the reason why india will loose this match by innings. Now only toooo much rain can save and that is impossible. DRS negligence will hurt them in case of pujara's out. But main problem is R Jadeja. Why is he in the team? what as he delivered to the team. Ashwin is far far better than him and i can see this is because of partiality by Dhoni. Sorry india only dravid and tendulkar can save the match.........

  • cric1965 on August 9, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    India could not achieve which Sri Lanka achieved in England is series victory. India is heading for series defeat. India has to pay the price for not using DRS.

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 9, 2014, 16:00 GMT

    DRS a side our batsmen are making Ali look world class spinner. We don't deserve 5 match series. There is no contest here. We not only brought Eng back to form but also making some players look world class esp the players like Bell, Butler, Ali. Hope DRS will be used after Dhoni's tenure.

    Now can't wait for SL fans to come and boast about their series victory (albeit a 2 match series). Wish this was just a 2 match series for us too.

  • Venkatb on August 9, 2014, 15:58 GMT

    Rather than blame DRS, India should do some self-realization - India is not ready to take on a 5 Test series in England, it is not ready even for 5 day Tests -India has the clout to draw up the international calendar - perhaps it should stick with Tests in India and in Bangladesh and play in 50-over and T20 elsewhere. And India should put the Jadeja-Anderson shoving match behind them - right now Jadeja is not fit to be in the same time zone as Anderson.

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 15:56 GMT

    @Arun Bose I've been at the Rose Bowl (now Ageas Bowl) and saw Shane Warne playing for Hampshire getting hit above the grill and having to get his eye checked out. He was batting 4, retired hurt and came back to bat near the end of the innings. A natwest pro40 match vs Worcestershire.

    Also didn't Daniel Flynn have a couple of his teeth knocked out by James Anderson? 2008?

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 9, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    I find it ironic that India are suffering heavily by choosing not to use available technology in DRS. Nothing in life is 100% accurate. But 94% accurate is better than human error.

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    What a enjoyable match. Great to see so much hyped Indian batting line up being put under pressure and crumble. Sad to see that DRS is not available. I think we should use whatever technology currently available to support decision making.

  • LAKINGSFAN on August 9, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    Time to drop Virat Kohli. 8 failed consecutive innings. Eng one bowler down but still India finds way to lose the match. Great. Hope Pujara and Kohli are thrown away in the next match.

  • yogesh.gg on August 9, 2014, 15:50 GMT

    This is such a abysmal performance from our batsmen. I don't understand when will they ever learn to bat outside subcontinent. Experts say that they don't have experience , well how much experience is enough experience ? You have been through SA and NZ. Is it necessary to lose at all venues outside SC once in order to learn completely ? What rubbish .. I don't understand what is ailing this team .. This has convincingly proved that Lords win was just a fluke. I am totally dejected by this performance. Urgent change in leadership is required.

  • GoCho on August 9, 2014, 15:50 GMT

    61/5! Our wonderful batsmen would not let the weather affect this game dont worry. With Sunday getting rained out, one would have thought they would have shown some determination and spine atleast. Absolutely pathetic - Indian test team is a level below the likes of SA, Aus, Eng and SL, we need to accept it and move on

  • Thos on August 9, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    Keep hearing how Indian batsman are great players of spin. As far as I've seen this series they are poor players of anything that moves off the straight, whether that be spin, swing or seam. Good batsman on slow pitches which offer no spin or swing, poor on pretty much everything else

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on August 9, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    61-4 England is fighting here..nice to see but india will win

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    india lose today before end of the day

  • testcricket_lover on August 9, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    HAHA this indian team can neither play a swinging ball nor a spinning ball

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:39 GMT

    It's great when India get bad umpiring decisions which could quite easily be reversed if we were playing with DRS as we should be.

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Of the same delivery Tendulkar was saved by DRS in WC. Ind didn't use it this time & suffered.............Proves that hawkeye gave correct decision then as well

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 15:38 GMT

    Pujara unlucky there. DRS anybody?

    Since India have declined DRS and banned replays of contaversial decisions within the stadium, I wonder if in the Indian dressing room they'll be looking at TVs for the hawkeye replays as I assume happens in the England dressing room. But I suppose if they don't trust DRS, the replays and hawkeye judgments won't matter to them.

    Any thoughts anybody?

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:35 GMT

    India suffering heavily for not using DRS. They deserve it bcz they r themselves to blame

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 15:34 GMT

    This match looks to be a bore draw. Especially without Broad. Unfortunate since my club game was called off.

    Good to see Woakes get a wicket. He's deserved one like Pankaj (though Pankaj has been more unlucky).

    Ali has just got a wicket, and now the game is more in England's favour than I first thought. However with tomorrow's hurricane, not sure if there's enough time left.

    Does anybody think Woakes should bat higher up? He looks comfortable at the crease and doesn't get out and scores runs. Perhaps worth a thought? Especially with Ali struggling with the bat.

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:32 GMT

    guys anyone but gambhir... i saw his batting and he is no where.....

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:27 GMT

    Whoa! That was a real bad hit to Broady right in between his nose, Ball went in between the grill of his helmet(Has it happened before since the introduction of helmet in cricket? I don't know).. Nobody likes to see blood on the field.. It was good to see Indian players running up to Broad to help him, After all the spat off-field.. That's real sportsmanship from India which won't get noticed here I guess... Hope Broad gets well soon and come back on the field as soon as possible..

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    @whirlaway I didn't mention Ali because I thought it was a seamers pitch. However that looks to be wrong on my part. England are struggling.

    Also I forgot that spinners like Old Trafford. Simon Kerrigan in county cricket. Monty Panesar in his test days liked the bounce. Maybe Ali will enjoy his day.

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    Lin Comp buddy,hope u are kidding.Indian bowling is known for letting out of players get into form,not the other way around.Latest examples: Cook and Bell.Due to India's reluctance to accept DRS,most of the times they seem to be at the receiving end of bad decisions.

  • La_Bangla on August 9, 2014, 15:09 GMT

    I am watching Murali Vijay for a few years now and I am convinced that he is just too lazy. I am not even sure how long he will stay up the order for India. Once the top order clicks he will obviously look the weak link with his current attitude..

  • on August 9, 2014, 15:04 GMT

    go india go. .. we r with u... muahhh

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 9, 2014, 15:02 GMT

    @ whirlaway Yes man. If we save this test match MOM should go to Aron for keeping Broad out. @Lin Comp Luck or no Luck Dhoni's test tenure should come to an end after this series.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 14:15 GMT

    Maybe Aaron has saved this match for India - with the ball! Not by taking wickets but by putting Stuart Broad out of action..

  • Retour on August 9, 2014, 14:11 GMT

    For Ind to win the equation is simple - a) score around 400 runs (which means playing 4 to 5 sessions), and b) bowl Eng out of 150 or less on the 5th day.

    To be frank, Ind looks short on quality players. When the team strengthens the bowling, the batting looks short. And when it strengthens the batting, the bowling looks short. It is like trying to cover a person with a short blanket. Cover the head and the feet get exposed; Cover the feet and the head gets exposed.

    Playing the right players and according to conditions is the key for Ind. But it appears as if the team management is struggling to pick the right combination. The team management needs to get back to the drawing board and keep an open mind.

  • on August 9, 2014, 14:10 GMT

    Good to see indian score board in double figures without loosing any wicket

  • on August 9, 2014, 14:09 GMT

    If India can save this match they need to thank Varun Aaron for breaking Broad's nose. It's high time INDIA had a bowler that induces fear in the opposition lineup. Fast bowlers who consistently bowl over 140kmph should be nurtured & preserved without injuries

  • on August 9, 2014, 14:08 GMT

    Again the luck of doni comes into picture, broad was batting so well and then he had lot of bowling to do too but then see what happens - he gets injured that too in such an unusual way and this all happens only because doni's luck and nothing else. I can keep on giving examples after examples of his unusual luck in the form of winning abundant tosses, winning crucial tosses, weather/rain helping, crucial umpiring decisions going in favor, off-form indian team players surprisingly regaining form, in-form opposition team players surprisingly losing their form etc etc - you mention any - he gets all these in favor of him and no other captain gets such free bonuses one after another, and now to add to these myriad bonuses this is now a unique form of bonus to doni - sadly broad gets injured and this could be the most crucial turn around in this test addition to the weather which has already succumbed to the luck of doni.

  • on August 9, 2014, 13:59 GMT

    Herculean task for INDIA ahead. India should not think much about the result but keep on playing their normal game. Can't afford to lose more than one wicket today.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 9, 2014, 13:54 GMT

    Just looking fwd. to see bit of 'weather' roll in now.Of course not the rain.Just some cloud cover aided by humid air and some cool breeze.Will help the likes of Jimmy,Wokes,Chris 'swing it round corners'.Be fun viewing.Some old fashioned 'banana' swing.

  • on August 9, 2014, 13:47 GMT

    i dont thing, dhoni deserved to be India test caption if India lost this test series!.

    Any team can take match away from him!. see how he lost the 2nd test match in NZ?.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on August 9, 2014, 13:45 GMT

    What is so wrong with Kohli to drop such catches? Why is he under so much pressure that he is not able to score...not able to take take catches.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on August 9, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    A thorouh and solid batting effort by Eng to back up their bowlers devastating show on d1.Sees them well in command in test,in position to push for a big W,poss. by an inngs.Pitch starting to show signs of double bounce.Makes it even more treacherous.

  • on August 9, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    Pleased t see Pankraj get a couple of wickets

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    Blessing disguise for England that their innings ended. There is no point in building up a lead of 300 if India is unable to get anywhere close to that in their second innings. Better for England to get India out for 250-275 and then score just the runs needed when they bat the second time.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 13:24 GMT

    @ CodandChips : Don't forget the spin bowler Moeen Ali. Indian players were reported to be thinking of countering him with the sweep shot. He could pitch in with a few key wickets with Anderson and Woakes, Jordan can support them.

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on August 9, 2014, 13:22 GMT

    Well this pitch is misbehaving badly..it is turned into a road...anyone can bat here...India was hard done by rain yesterday when Varon aaron was firing in all cylinders....

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 13:12 GMT

    Even if Sunday is not looking good weather-wise, I wonder what the ground staff will be doing to minimize the knock-on effect on Monday's play.... Will they cover the lowest part of the ground where water tends to stand and is probably already very wet? And also in the field, there are patches that are very damp and are being covered in sawdust now. They could get a lot worse in the Sunday rain if they are not covered by a tarp..

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    That Broad blow pretty much confirms a draw unless Woakes and Jordan step up. What it certainly means is that Anderson will be run into the ground.

  • Englishmanabroad on August 9, 2014, 12:58 GMT

    Question: Is Broad allowed to return if one of the current batsmen is dismissed, (and assuming that he wanted to)

  • SMKhanRizvi on August 9, 2014, 12:50 GMT

    England and test wicket keeper batsmen.... After prior butler is showing that for a successful test team its keeper needs to be extra smart in batting agressively...Treat to watch you man

  • CodandChips on August 9, 2014, 12:47 GMT

    Glad that Pankaj got his wicket.

    Sunday is not looking good. Rain expected across the whole of England.

    Butler again making the most of his opportunities to score runs. Hopefully this confidence will help his keeping.

    Another 50 for Root. He's probably been England's player of the test summer so far. Certainly challenging Kumar for player of the series.

    England have a half decent lead so the remaining batsmen can just play their shots and score quickly.

    The challenge will be to take early wickets to try and bowl India out as quickly as possible. India have some talented batsmen. They may be struggling but they are talented and shouldn't be taken lightly. Hopefully Woakes will show his ability.

  • Pritt32 on August 9, 2014, 12:45 GMT

    Rain will be the savour for India. The team is awful to watch, with Dhoni captaining the team poorly, that allowed England to prosper and push for victory depsite poor weather forecast. India have the lost the plot completely. England are made look good from a dispirited India team.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    England have to extend the lead to 200-225 and then get about 50 overs for India to bat on in the second innings. India folded like a cheap tent in less than 50 overs in the first innings but they could put up a better show this time. If England takes 6 or 7 wickets by close for about 150-175 runs, they will be in the driver's seat and all they need to wrap up the match is another 2 sessions on Day 4 and/or 5.

  • FiGhtCluB_99 on August 9, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    Kohli looks lost on this tour. He hasn't fired with the bat and has been dropping catches. It wouldn't be a bad idea to rest (drop) him for the last match and bring Rohit Sharma in.

  • Nuwas on August 9, 2014, 12:39 GMT

    well played England.... good to see you back in form guys... keep up the good work & this serious is for you & we all can see the New Era of England commencing...

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:38 GMT

    Nice to see Pankaj get the fruits of his toil.

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    I hope England can close the game for India this time well played England best wishes from Sri lankan fans

  • JRR562004 on August 9, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    Amazing how Zimbabwe has done better than India against the number one team in the world.

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    I don't see India clearing the huge deficit they will face, it will take a miracle to be able to achieve a good lead!! Having that being said, it will boost India's confidence and chances of atleast squaring the series if their top order fire!!

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    I don't see India batting to clear the deficit they are facing. It will take some miracle and flawless batting in their part. However, if the Indian top order fire, it will do their confidence a world of good, they need to do some cautious and patient batting

  • brusselslion on August 9, 2014, 12:27 GMT

    You'd have to be a hard man to begrudge Pankaj his wickets. So far as the match situation is concerned. Lead is already enough to avoid defeat, but England will probably bat on for another hour or until all out. What with the promised weather, we need India to be, at least, 5 down by the close tonight to force a victory.

  • brusselslion on August 9, 2014, 12:27 GMT

    You'd have to be a hard man to begrudge Pankaj his wickets. So far as the match situation is concerned. Lead is already enough to avoid defeat, but England will probably bat on for another hour or until all out. What with the promised weather, we need India to be, at least, 5 down by the close tonight to force a victory.

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    I don't see India batting to clear the deficit they are facing. It will take some miracle and flawless batting in their part. However, if the Indian top order fire, it will do their confidence a world of good, they need to do some cautious and patient batting

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    I don't see India clearing the huge deficit they will face, it will take a miracle to be able to achieve a good lead!! Having that being said, it will boost India's confidence and chances of atleast squaring the series if their top order fire!!

  • JRR562004 on August 9, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    Amazing how Zimbabwe has done better than India against the number one team in the world.

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:36 GMT

    I hope England can close the game for India this time well played England best wishes from Sri lankan fans

  • on August 9, 2014, 12:38 GMT

    Nice to see Pankaj get the fruits of his toil.

  • Nuwas on August 9, 2014, 12:39 GMT

    well played England.... good to see you back in form guys... keep up the good work & this serious is for you & we all can see the New Era of England commencing...

  • FiGhtCluB_99 on August 9, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    Kohli looks lost on this tour. He hasn't fired with the bat and has been dropping catches. It wouldn't be a bad idea to rest (drop) him for the last match and bring Rohit Sharma in.

  • whirlaway on August 9, 2014, 12:40 GMT

    England have to extend the lead to 200-225 and then get about 50 overs for India to bat on in the second innings. India folded like a cheap tent in less than 50 overs in the first innings but they could put up a better show this time. If England takes 6 or 7 wickets by close for about 150-175 runs, they will be in the driver's seat and all they need to wrap up the match is another 2 sessions on Day 4 and/or 5.

  • Pritt32 on August 9, 2014, 12:45 GMT

    Rain will be the savour for India. The team is awful to watch, with Dhoni captaining the team poorly, that allowed England to prosper and push for victory depsite poor weather forecast. India have the lost the plot completely. England are made look good from a dispirited India team.