England v India, 4th Investec Test, Old Trafford, 3rd day August 9, 2014

Nothing quite right with this India

Little things, big things, everything went wrong for India at Old Trafford, in what was one of their two meekest Test performances since 8-0 - the other came just a few days ago, in Southampton
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Highlights: India's incredible slide

Two sessions of rain. No Stuart Broad in the second innings. Lost inside three days. Eighty-nine overs and four balls of batting over two innings. Twelve wickets for 168 runs to Moeen Ali's part-time spin over two matches. Orphaned catches between wicketkeeper and slip. Long-on for the first ball No. 7 faces. No idea about which bowler should be bowling when. Easy run-out missed. Soft run-out conceded. Hurricane headed this way, for crying out loud. No one told the team. Best batsman refusing to correct weakness. Opener who has scored no century in three years picked without having done anything to suggest he has become better. Top order found out by extra pace and bounce in the pitch. Ravindra Jadeja batting ahead of R Ashwin and Bhuvneshwar Kumar. Selection of Pankaj Singh, who was desperately unlucky in Southampton, but does not bowl enough good balls for a man his pace. Everything has gone wrong for India. Lord's seems like it happened two years ago.

The cost of Lord's: an injured Ishant Sharma, a drop in Bhuvneshwar's intensity, a slightly less circumspect M Vijay and, as MS Dhoni mentioned, a camouflaging of the top order's shortcomings because the lower order had contributed.

Australia will be taking note: give them quick pitches. They played well on the seaming beast that was Lord's. No need for grass; their put-it-there bowlers get in the game that way. But on the quickest pitch they might have encountered - with the exception of the WACA in 2011-12 and the Wanderers late last year - their batsmen's disciplines went out of the window.

Leaving the ball wasn't so easy here. And if you have to play, you can't push meekly away from the body. Either drive and punch, or leave them. If you defend length balls, you move fully forward. Vijay couldn't here. The balls were quick and bouncing from a length. They were only getting half-forward in defence, Sourav Ganguly noted on day one.

Gautam Gambhir was a poor choice in the XVIII, leave alone the XI. His game has regressed, leave alone any signs of improvement. In the first innings he edged a straight ball that bounced a little extra. In the second he gloved a loopy short ball down leg. Cheteshwar Pujara is almost the opener. Why not just make him open if Shikhar Dhawan and Gambhir are going to be walking wickets? Well, his back foot has not been moving across. In the first innings he tried an uncharacteristically expansive drive away from the body. England do not have Dhawan and Jadeja behind the wicket; they are taking their catches.

Virat Kohli has a problem outside off - every batsman does, but his has persisted for too long. It is getting exposed brutally on a long tour. In South Africa, where he played well, he was not playing at deliveries that have been getting him out here. Look at the two balls Kohli faced before he got out in the second innings. Short of a length, wide, but he still followed them with no intent of hitting them for fours. Nothing can be gained from these tendencies. You'll either edge them or block them back to the bowler or cover. Before the match he spent a lot of time working on his sweep. Go figure.

Ajikya Rahane was probably due a failure, but he played a poor shot minutes before lunch on the first morning. Dhoni might have played one of his best overseas knocks in a Test away from home, but his wicketkeeping and his captaincy are slipping further. He cannot continue to not go for catches that arrive between him and first slip. On the third morning, with new ball nine overs away, it seemed he wanted to keep Varun Aaron fresh for it. Pankaj Singh began well, got into a rhythm, but was removed two overs into the spell. On came Aaron. Neither here nor there. In Southampton, in the second session on the second day, bowlers bowled one-over spells for one hour. This is not one-day cricket.

On day two here, just before lunch, R Ashwin had got into good rhythm, flighting his offbreaks, staying away from funky variations, having batsmen play in front of their bodies, but when Jos Buttler arrived, mid-on went back to the fence. Fifteen minutes before lunch. Nine of the 31 runs that came before lunch in that period came through singles down the ground. That's how games drift.

To pick on little things when the main batsmen are looking more likely to get out than the lower order will sound a little strange, but it's the little things that are hurting India. The discipline and the bloody-mindedness of Lord's have evaporated. Batsmen got starts in Southampton, and gave them away. At Lord's, Dhoni took the game by the scruff of its neck; in Southampton he started playing for a draw in the second session of the first day. Chris Woakes' first ball after James Anderson finished his spell today didn't get Vijay out, but it represented a similar letting down of the guard as in Southampton. There he was run out being dopey; here he pushed at what might have been a one-day wide.

During the 8-0 in 2011 and 2012, Dhoni was asked more than once if the leaders of the team ever lost their cool and gave the team a rocket, and Dhoni always said there was nothing to be gained by that. It was a different team, with seniors who were supposed to know their responsibilities. He might want to blow a lid now. This has got to be more frustrating. England were 1-0 down, but India have played two of their meekest Tests since that horror run three years ago to squander this opportunity. Old Trafford might get flooded tomorrow, but it won't help India. Lord's seems like it happened two years ago.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    we are certainly not lacking in captains and selectors in this forum! It's also not surprising to see the fangs and claws bared at Dhoni and Co. after the dip in fortunes. Realities are more difficult to acknowledge. The fact is that team for team, England have produced better combinations since Lords. India's bowling, (since the injury of Ishant) has lacked in depth and leadership. Their batting has suffered from lack of good openings and Pujara and Kohli have been exposed to a relatively new ball thus exposing their doubts. Lower middle order and lower order have battle hard to stop innings from folding up cheaply. The likes of Dhoni, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bhuvi, Ishant &co. have had to do it all. With the lack of experience, there is no buffer and young players have struggled to assume leadership. Dhoni hasn't covered himself in glory (with some on field choices), but his choices have been limited. We don't have credible alternatives for test Captainat the moment, surely not Kohli/ Gmbhir

  • POSTED BY on | August 12, 2014, 23:48 GMT

    I know whats wrong with the batting - Indian batting used to be dominated by the disciplined technicians from the South ( if u incude mumbai in the south) . Look at the batting now .. its dominaed by the North :) .... discipline is not a virtue you associate with the North :) ..no moe comments .

  • POSTED BY adv_nishanth on | August 12, 2014, 12:59 GMT

    Unfortunately nothing will change in Indian Cricket unless we adopt selection policies similar to Australia.

    Virat Kohli & Cheteshwar Pujara will certainly play the next test match. Irrespective of how the fare in the match, they will remain part of the Indian Test squad to Australia ( They have few test matches against West Indies at home to let the experts opine about them being ideal successors for Dravid & Sachin)

    India had gone into the first two test match of the series with 5 bowlers banking on the ability of their batting superstars. Thankfully, good contributions with the bat from the bowlers ensured that much damage was not done.

    Irrespective of the reputation team should be selected based on performance.

    My XI for the next test match

    1) Vijay 2) Dhawan 3) Pujara 4) Rahane 5) Rohit 6) Ohja 7) Dhoni 8) Ashwin 9) Bhuvi 10) Aron 11) Pandey

  • POSTED BY rkannancrown on | August 12, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    Dhoni's keeping as become suspect. However, he can still play as a pure batsman. Why not have Naman Oza to keep wickets? It is worth giving Dhawan another shot - he can take apart the attack and should be told to play himself in & then play his aggresive game. He can be told to play out 10 overs and then open out. Sehwag did this very effectively and Srikkanth in the 1980s. Dhawan's presence means Vijay plays the blocker & not the attcker and this worked well at the begining of the series.Jadeja serves no purpose and should be make a good 12th man as he is a reasonably good fielder. The line up at Oval can be Vijay,Dhawan,Pujara,Kohli,Rahane,Dhoni,Oza,Ashwin,Bhuvi, Ishaant & Aaron.

  • POSTED BY cloudmess on | August 12, 2014, 10:59 GMT

    Brilliant as he once was for England, I've just never felt the ageing Duncan Fletcher was a good choice of coach for India. His last couple of years with England left him bruised and bitter and I think some of that attitude has been evident in his Indian role. So often in the past 3 years India have let themselves down with an approach which has been unfathomably cautious and inflexible. Even before Southampton, they seemed to set out to play for a draw (packing their side with batters, not bothering to pick a proper bowling attack) - and as soon as you start doing that in the modern game, you usually lose. They appear too regimented in their approach to have worked out a technique against the improving (but hardly world-beating) Ali. They also always seem to completely fall apart when they come up against it in a series, in a way they never did during the 2000s. It's time to give Fletcher a place and a pension, and to get a younger, more positive and lateral-thinking coach in.

  • POSTED BY akshaynatarajan on | August 12, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    The Kohli conundrum is continuing to worry. Let's admit that he's not in fine nick and needs some serious talking to be done. You cannot leave him aside and let him handle on his own. The great Sachin left the cover drive out of his books when he made 241 in Sydney. Kohli can't think of aping Sachin and not play on the off side, a weakness beautifully augmented by Jimmy. To think of how England have planned on taking out India's best batsman is marvelous. India too did the same with keeping Cook and Bell quiet. In their own failure, their plans went Hayward and England's top men are back to the top seat. Pujara has been the biggest disappointment of the series. A man with Technical brilliance , capable to play the new ball when asked and also drop the sheet anchor role and also looking at the way he handled Steyn and co, Lack of form is too easy a phrase. India need runs, need centuries, need partnerships. They don't have to treat the pitch as dangerous nor treat Moeen Ali as a demon.

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | August 12, 2014, 3:17 GMT

    There is a feeling that there is no alternative captain for India. But thats how it will be whenever we need to change to new captain. We wont have confidence until we try and succeed. So who can be the next captain? At least as an interim attempt? Not some one who cant even find his place in the playing 11. IMO the captain should understand both bowling and batting techniques. And he should be very sensible and level headed. He does not have be a great player. I think Ashwin understands both bowling & batting. He may not be great in anything. But he is very level headed and loves challenges. Rahane & Vijay could be other possibilities but since they dont expose themselves to the media I dont know about their bowling knowledge and communication skills. One thing for sure. Dhoni cant continue - either as captain or as wicket keeper. Saha is the best keeper and he has proven his batting skills as well.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    Now every one comes to know about kohli what he is capable of outside India when the ball starts swinging, he is facing the real soup. Only becaz of this reason we are not going outside India. We need to revamp the current team and rebuild the test team with real talents excluding the political influences and people having influence in the management. We see many real talents in Australia, they will fail initially but can perform better than the current Indian team. Current Indian team is not capable of scoring runs and not capable of facing too many deliveries in test which is very bad. We should consider open new opportunities for test.

  • POSTED BY wide_gully on | August 11, 2014, 14:28 GMT

    Winning and losing are part of the game. But it is high time and in fact a good opportunity for the India selectors to show some spine and smarts by taking some tough decisions - bring in Naman, Irfan and Yadav in place of Gambhir, Jadeja and Pankaj resp. Aaron was a little wayward at times but it was clear that his pace allowed him to trouble the English batsmen. Hence, Yadav would be a fine addition. It is almost unthinkable to have a resource like him wasted while the slow-medium likes of Pankaj and Binny are handed out chances esp in English conditions. Teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka would jump at the first opportunity to fully utilize a bowler like Yadav. The suggested team (in batting order): Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Naman, Dhoni, Ashwin, Irfan, Bhuvi, Yadav, Aaron

  • POSTED BY SAF-Fan-no-1 on | August 11, 2014, 13:14 GMT

    My Word begin of the Series Kohli & Pujar can't do any thing to hurt English Team. Drop Kohli, Pujara & Gambhir - GET Naman Ojah, VIRU, Herbhajji - They are the most capable of Subcontinatal. Even They both can't do any thing in Australia either. Please drop them - and Get Naman Ojah, Viru, Bhajji.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    we are certainly not lacking in captains and selectors in this forum! It's also not surprising to see the fangs and claws bared at Dhoni and Co. after the dip in fortunes. Realities are more difficult to acknowledge. The fact is that team for team, England have produced better combinations since Lords. India's bowling, (since the injury of Ishant) has lacked in depth and leadership. Their batting has suffered from lack of good openings and Pujara and Kohli have been exposed to a relatively new ball thus exposing their doubts. Lower middle order and lower order have battle hard to stop innings from folding up cheaply. The likes of Dhoni, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bhuvi, Ishant &co. have had to do it all. With the lack of experience, there is no buffer and young players have struggled to assume leadership. Dhoni hasn't covered himself in glory (with some on field choices), but his choices have been limited. We don't have credible alternatives for test Captainat the moment, surely not Kohli/ Gmbhir

  • POSTED BY on | August 12, 2014, 23:48 GMT

    I know whats wrong with the batting - Indian batting used to be dominated by the disciplined technicians from the South ( if u incude mumbai in the south) . Look at the batting now .. its dominaed by the North :) .... discipline is not a virtue you associate with the North :) ..no moe comments .

  • POSTED BY adv_nishanth on | August 12, 2014, 12:59 GMT

    Unfortunately nothing will change in Indian Cricket unless we adopt selection policies similar to Australia.

    Virat Kohli & Cheteshwar Pujara will certainly play the next test match. Irrespective of how the fare in the match, they will remain part of the Indian Test squad to Australia ( They have few test matches against West Indies at home to let the experts opine about them being ideal successors for Dravid & Sachin)

    India had gone into the first two test match of the series with 5 bowlers banking on the ability of their batting superstars. Thankfully, good contributions with the bat from the bowlers ensured that much damage was not done.

    Irrespective of the reputation team should be selected based on performance.

    My XI for the next test match

    1) Vijay 2) Dhawan 3) Pujara 4) Rahane 5) Rohit 6) Ohja 7) Dhoni 8) Ashwin 9) Bhuvi 10) Aron 11) Pandey

  • POSTED BY rkannancrown on | August 12, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    Dhoni's keeping as become suspect. However, he can still play as a pure batsman. Why not have Naman Oza to keep wickets? It is worth giving Dhawan another shot - he can take apart the attack and should be told to play himself in & then play his aggresive game. He can be told to play out 10 overs and then open out. Sehwag did this very effectively and Srikkanth in the 1980s. Dhawan's presence means Vijay plays the blocker & not the attcker and this worked well at the begining of the series.Jadeja serves no purpose and should be make a good 12th man as he is a reasonably good fielder. The line up at Oval can be Vijay,Dhawan,Pujara,Kohli,Rahane,Dhoni,Oza,Ashwin,Bhuvi, Ishaant & Aaron.

  • POSTED BY cloudmess on | August 12, 2014, 10:59 GMT

    Brilliant as he once was for England, I've just never felt the ageing Duncan Fletcher was a good choice of coach for India. His last couple of years with England left him bruised and bitter and I think some of that attitude has been evident in his Indian role. So often in the past 3 years India have let themselves down with an approach which has been unfathomably cautious and inflexible. Even before Southampton, they seemed to set out to play for a draw (packing their side with batters, not bothering to pick a proper bowling attack) - and as soon as you start doing that in the modern game, you usually lose. They appear too regimented in their approach to have worked out a technique against the improving (but hardly world-beating) Ali. They also always seem to completely fall apart when they come up against it in a series, in a way they never did during the 2000s. It's time to give Fletcher a place and a pension, and to get a younger, more positive and lateral-thinking coach in.

  • POSTED BY akshaynatarajan on | August 12, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    The Kohli conundrum is continuing to worry. Let's admit that he's not in fine nick and needs some serious talking to be done. You cannot leave him aside and let him handle on his own. The great Sachin left the cover drive out of his books when he made 241 in Sydney. Kohli can't think of aping Sachin and not play on the off side, a weakness beautifully augmented by Jimmy. To think of how England have planned on taking out India's best batsman is marvelous. India too did the same with keeping Cook and Bell quiet. In their own failure, their plans went Hayward and England's top men are back to the top seat. Pujara has been the biggest disappointment of the series. A man with Technical brilliance , capable to play the new ball when asked and also drop the sheet anchor role and also looking at the way he handled Steyn and co, Lack of form is too easy a phrase. India need runs, need centuries, need partnerships. They don't have to treat the pitch as dangerous nor treat Moeen Ali as a demon.

  • POSTED BY TRAM on | August 12, 2014, 3:17 GMT

    There is a feeling that there is no alternative captain for India. But thats how it will be whenever we need to change to new captain. We wont have confidence until we try and succeed. So who can be the next captain? At least as an interim attempt? Not some one who cant even find his place in the playing 11. IMO the captain should understand both bowling and batting techniques. And he should be very sensible and level headed. He does not have be a great player. I think Ashwin understands both bowling & batting. He may not be great in anything. But he is very level headed and loves challenges. Rahane & Vijay could be other possibilities but since they dont expose themselves to the media I dont know about their bowling knowledge and communication skills. One thing for sure. Dhoni cant continue - either as captain or as wicket keeper. Saha is the best keeper and he has proven his batting skills as well.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    Now every one comes to know about kohli what he is capable of outside India when the ball starts swinging, he is facing the real soup. Only becaz of this reason we are not going outside India. We need to revamp the current team and rebuild the test team with real talents excluding the political influences and people having influence in the management. We see many real talents in Australia, they will fail initially but can perform better than the current Indian team. Current Indian team is not capable of scoring runs and not capable of facing too many deliveries in test which is very bad. We should consider open new opportunities for test.

  • POSTED BY wide_gully on | August 11, 2014, 14:28 GMT

    Winning and losing are part of the game. But it is high time and in fact a good opportunity for the India selectors to show some spine and smarts by taking some tough decisions - bring in Naman, Irfan and Yadav in place of Gambhir, Jadeja and Pankaj resp. Aaron was a little wayward at times but it was clear that his pace allowed him to trouble the English batsmen. Hence, Yadav would be a fine addition. It is almost unthinkable to have a resource like him wasted while the slow-medium likes of Pankaj and Binny are handed out chances esp in English conditions. Teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka would jump at the first opportunity to fully utilize a bowler like Yadav. The suggested team (in batting order): Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Naman, Dhoni, Ashwin, Irfan, Bhuvi, Yadav, Aaron

  • POSTED BY SAF-Fan-no-1 on | August 11, 2014, 13:14 GMT

    My Word begin of the Series Kohli & Pujar can't do any thing to hurt English Team. Drop Kohli, Pujara & Gambhir - GET Naman Ojah, VIRU, Herbhajji - They are the most capable of Subcontinatal. Even They both can't do any thing in Australia either. Please drop them - and Get Naman Ojah, Viru, Bhajji.

  • POSTED BY Coolcapricorn on | August 11, 2014, 12:16 GMT

    Looks many Indian fans want to a selector & many don't seem to even want to move forwards - calling for a recall for the likes of Bhajji, Sehwag, Zaheer etc who were all failing badly in recent years, were still persisted with due to pure sentiment before being eventually dropped & rightly so. Even SRT should have been dropped ages before he retired. Gambhir should have NEVER been recalled for this tour & his shortcomings were brutally exposed in this last Test.We should reserve judgement on Ashwin as he didn't get a chance at all to bowl on a 2nd innings deteriorating wicket. As for Kohli, Pujara etc, let's not forget these guys did very well in SA not long back against the likes of Morkel, Steyn etc - so it is not as if they are poor players but just going through a bad phase in form as happens to every player. MSD certainly needs to go after this series & just be able to concentrate on limited over cricket.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 11, 2014, 9:30 GMT

    Bring back harbhajan Singh, over 400 test wickets

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    India will not learn in Test Match. Prime example of Sri Lanka, they won Test match, ODI and T20...Why? Because they think our country bigger than us..Why in our team Jadeja, Gambhir thy are total failer and will be. England got 4 fast baller and 1 spinner... Moin is part time baller and so far he took 19 wkts. If Ashwin can make 46* runs in 2nd inning why our 1 to 6 batsman can't do anything? Disgracefull behaviour and very aerogant our cricket team and selaction team as well.

  • POSTED BY Alberteinstien on | August 11, 2014, 9:01 GMT

    We always say that India has got lot of talent then what is an out of form player doing in the team.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 8:42 GMT

    1 If Moeen can take 19 wickets then why Ashwin with more proven quality cannot??

    2 Why is Jadeja who is neither an impactful bowler nor a batsman in the team?

    3 Why India field with 10 men ie a fielder is always wasted at leg slip when it has neither caught anything nor saved any run this series?

    4 Why mid on, mid off r kept too close & no mid wicket provided to Indian swing bowlers to encourage them to bowl full and straight to get max swing forcing batsman to play & to bring lbw into equation?

    5 Why after wining toss Indian batsmen r subjected to face toughest conditions & Indian bowlers deprived of bowling in helpful conditions?

    6. Why opposition batsmen r offered runs on platter by operating with part timers on day 1 as in 2nd test

    7 Why Indian fastest bowler Aaron was benched in 1st 3 tests when he immediately proved on his arrival that he is as potent as Bhuvi

    8 Why India persisted with Shami so long?

    Dhoni's these terrible decisions prove he is the worst captain

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 6:25 GMT

    india have played badly we have to accept it but we need to support and encourage them to play well in coming matched instead of criticizing badly about them ,every team has got some bad patches ,even england lost a match in australia in 3 days in 2006 ashes series link is below with experienced players ,so we need to support this young team and shape them with better indian coach [ganguly or dravid or sachin or kapil]

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/249225.html

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 6:17 GMT

    its about gifting mooen ali 19 wickets by the players consiered to be best players of spin .please stop going after him by doing this you are gifting wickets he is not a part timer and just say to yourself that i have to be there at any cost bat for a minimum of 100 overs andthings start to change .play in the v and not half hearted square strokes concentrate and control.

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 6:15 GMT

    When you want to go in a test with 5 bowlers thats where you have lost already. And your 5th bowlers are RJ and SB there you lost some more. This team needs an in depth analysis from all players of what went wrong. Do some introspection, will you?

  • POSTED BY TheOnlyEmperor on | August 11, 2014, 6:07 GMT

    1. Indians display mental weakness. Look at the way they succumb to Moin's spin for instance. When Eng visited India last, they succumbed to Monty and Swann. 2. India can't hold focus. How does it manage to lose the Test immediately after they win a Test. It happens so many times! 3. India can't play the moving ball. That's because they don't know which ones to leave! 4. Indian commentators think that the cloud and pitch conditions cause ball movement. Height of ignorance! How does Bhuvi and Praveen swing the ball when Shami, Yadav and Ishant can't swing an inch? How does Anderson swing the ball both ways considerably when the Indians can't? Knowledge on swing bowling is something which the Indian batting experts on TV still don't know. 5. Given the above, Indians are doomed to commit the same mistakes and see similar disastrous results! Batting order: Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, Shikhar, Kohli, Ashwin, Dhoni, Bhuvi...! 6. NEVER bat first in England!

  • POSTED BY on | August 11, 2014, 5:40 GMT

    First of all the team selection is not good at all. I think Dhoni is captaining the test like ODI.. Jadeja is the best bet for ODI and T20's. Not a test player.. His bowling doesn't give wickets. Dhoni can only get maiden overs from him. We need wicket taking bowlers, not part timers for test. Stuart binny is also not a good selection for tests. fast bowlers has done their part bit.. but our bastmen, suddenly could not adjust to test... too much of ODI and T20 might have changed them. when we can replace dravid and laxman...

  • POSTED BY Karthik_Jay_Cricket on | August 11, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    Test 2 at Lords every one praising india for the win( at that time). But look carefully Eng were dominating until their batsmen went for reckless shots for the short balls resulted in Indian win if not that test also gone.

  • POSTED BY RaviUnadkat on | August 11, 2014, 2:55 GMT

    Poor shot selection is main cause of Indian downfall. All was needed to do by batsmen was to play 50 balls (not asking to score) just play 50 balls, we have 6 specialist batsmen, ask them not to bother scoring runs but just hang in there for 50 balls and then see the magic - this is not robotic science, this is what test players do, it's basic - give yourself a time.

    It's test match, give your self a time while bowling/batting, I hope MSD read this. He does bowling change way to often, changes field positions more than often. Biggest thing I see here is MSD thinks how his bowler should bowl rather than how Bowler would think best way he can bowl to take wickets. Understand he motivated Ishant to bowl bouncers to win lords, but that's not going to happen always. Consult your bowlers what are their strength and have strategy suited for them.

  • POSTED BY bford1921 on | August 11, 2014, 0:12 GMT

    Runs are required to be competitive in test cricket and India are not scoring them at present. 5 test series give players the chance to do their homework and it appears England are finding ways to deal ok with India's bowlers, but their bowlers seem to have the answers for the batters, who have struggled more as the series has gone on. The coaching staff have got to earn their money, working on players weakness and challenging the players to modify their approach. at present it is difficult to see India winning at the Oval

  • POSTED BY rnkbornfree on | August 10, 2014, 22:01 GMT

    in short sehwag bhaji and zaheer are still must in indian side ... bcci things indian team will perform overseas hahahha even in odi they havent , except champions throphy which had indian conditions so it was obvius still they have time ...give chances to old guns so that they can get smoother and can fire at right time .....you gave dhoni his team and you saw whats happening he himself cant play outside india .......

  • POSTED BY baskar_guha on | August 10, 2014, 20:52 GMT

    Excellent article that gets into what is not working. I really feel that they need to find a proper opening pair for overseas tours. Murali on current form is okay but we need to give Naman Ojha a game (which is not in India where every one looks good). He can also keep wickets. MSD may well be a poor test captain when his resources are meagre or out of form. His fallback tends to be a page out of ODIs -- defensive bowling/fielding and aggressive batting -- exact opposite of what is needed for tests. India would do well to groom a captain and Pujara may be a better choice given he is less distracted and more of a test only player.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 20:11 GMT

    It is time to sack Dhoni from test matches. He just doesn't have the strategy nor the killer instinct to captain test matches. And then there is the selection of Gautam Gabhir! What in the damnation was that all about? Even when at his best, Gambhir never had the footwork, reflexes and technique to handle top-class fast bowling especially on fast pitches. Why bring him on now? The man has been over the hill for more than three years!

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 20:03 GMT

    When the whole team is underperforming , it's easy to point out the smallest of problems here , while the author is spot on about Gambir's selection , Pankaj Singh's primary role was that of a 3rd bowler in both the matches ( and he does have wickets to support his selection ) ..not sure what's going on in the dressing room coz a lot of things currently do not seem to make any sense

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 19:47 GMT

    Wanna know my squad? 1. Vijay 2. Rahane 3. Pujara 4. Kohli 5. Rohit 6. N.Ojha 7. Dhoni 8. Ashwin 9. Bhuvi 10. Ishant 11. Aaron

  • POSTED BY baghels.a on | August 10, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    Contd,so why should all of India's defeats in tests should be blamed on IPL ??? Some of these fans are too elitist in there outlook, for them Indian victories in ODI's and T-20's don't count because they are convinced in there minds shorter formats are inferior and poor country cousins to test cricket,all i would like say all three formats of the game have different requirements,demands and skillsets .These people only highlight the negative aspects of IPL but forget that for domestic Indian players like Rajat Bhatia,Pravin Tambe and others who toil unnoticed for years in domestic cricket IPL provides them with a great platform, another grouse of mine is too many Indian fans issue statements like X,Y,Z is bad and useless , then other comes in with A,B,C is good and should get a look in.We as Indian fans are deeply upset but lets not make blanket statements about long term future but gain a perspective and stay in the present.

  • POSTED BY baghels.a on | August 10, 2014, 19:27 GMT

    As an Indian fan i am terribly gutted but i would like to congratulate English team for this massive win , it has been a remarkable turnaround for the English side after the Lords test and i didn't see it coming.I would like to single out English fans on Cricinfo as the fairest and most unbiased fans.these forums now have become a test of patience for me , there is so much negativity,hate,knee jerk reactions and too many people with deep rooted biases and agendas commenting here.People nowadays have short term memories and are so reactionary and resort to calling players like Kohli and Pujara who have proven themselves in SA and NZ overrated, so now R Ashwin,Bhuvi are overall better batters than Kohli and Pujara.I don't know why some Indian fans are bringing IPL into it, IPL runs for 2 weeks and was over by June, did anyone credit IPL for the victory at Lords ?? for encouraging performances in SA,NZ,for winning ICC Champions trophy ,for Ind A winning Quad series in Aus ?? contd

  • POSTED BY Presynaras on | August 10, 2014, 19:04 GMT

    Team for 5th Test: Vijay, Naman, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Ashwin, Dhoni, Mishra, Bhuvi, Ishant, Umesh.

    Give Kohli a rest. He is a walking wicket currently getting out in the same manner. Sometimes a break can actually help a batsman get better, with the clouds in his mind clearing. Rohit, unlike Kohli, did look good while he lasted, before he threw his wicket away. So with a few words from the coach and the captain, Rohit can be made to play a more patient innings. Gambhir, Dhawan both look so flawed and I have absolutely no hope they will get better in the 5th test. Might as well try Naman Ojha, who just a couple weeks ago scored a double century in Australia. Pujara's problem is not technical, but has to do more with luck. He can be trusted. If Umesh and Mohit can be sent as backup for India, then Mishra must be sent too. Mishra is a capable batsman (can any day get more than what Jadeja has gotten this series) and a leg spin, off spin combo will work well, between Mishra and Ashwin.

  • POSTED BY frozeninusa on | August 10, 2014, 18:22 GMT

    The batsmen need to score runs for the team to have any chance. Everything else is just speculation at this point. It is stupid to blame on little things here and there when you are 5 down before 50 in each innings. That takes everything else out of equation.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 18:02 GMT

    The Selectors now have to take tough decisions. Cant understand why Umesh Yadav, the very much in form Naman Ojha are ignored. They need a knock on their knuckles. Perform or Perish should be the message. Yes, the Captain is accountable for such poor defeats.

  • POSTED BY Chncricfan_2k0 on | August 10, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    It is unfortunate for the team that had produced best slip fielders in the world like Dravid and Laxman, now have players like Kohli and Jadeja standing in the slips with sunglasses on even when climate is gloomy and overcast in England, for their credit they could take 1 catch out of every 5 chances..its a very big laugh to play Jadeja in the team without knowing what his role is as he has not succeeded either in bowling or batting till now in this series..Come on Indian selectors please select the team on their current performance basis and give chances to players like Naman Ojha who will be more effective in this English condition with his flawless batting..Hopefully Ishant will be fit to restore the energy that badly needed for this Indian team...

  • POSTED BY kahvas on | August 10, 2014, 17:43 GMT

    I agree with most comments here. Dhoni needs to go as test captain (at least). His decision to bat first was the #1 reason for the loss. His inclusion of Jadeja has cost the team dearly. Ojha shouldve been in this side. Also fielding was probably better in the 70's, look at kohli, dhawan etc dropping catches. This is how we lost in NZ, mccullum was dropped twice, once by Kohli and he made 300.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 17:39 GMT

    vijay gambhir Pujara rahane Kholi dhoni ohja ashwin bhuvi varun ishant or iswar

  • POSTED BY Chncricfan_2k0 on | August 10, 2014, 17:24 GMT

    This Indian team performance in the 4th test is totally pathetic without any second thought, they just threw the expectations of fans back home..I don't think is there any chance that Dhoni can be a good leader to lead this Indian team anymore with his poor fielding and bowling strategies especially in overseas test matches..BCCI must think of having alternate captain for both ODIs and Test matches..and Kohli need to take some rest to give way for Rohit as he is a far more better player in understanding situation and playing sensibly by staying in the crease and taking singles..Naman Ojha should be selected bcoz he could play freely without any mental stress and hopefully Ishant will be fit for the final test to show some pride..!

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    If Dhoni is not removed from Test captaincy India as a Test Cricket teams will be in doldrums. I've no issues with him continuing as One Day and T20 captain. But he should not continue as Test captain, utter disgrace.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 16:57 GMT

    I think Gambhir should be given one more chance. He was a bit unlucky in that second innings dismissal. I don't know why on earth Jadeja is still in the team. Doesn't do anything. Ishant needs to be brought in place of Pankaj. Naman Ojha must be in place of Jadeja.. has been in scintillating form in Australia & anyway India has nothing to lose. My team will be as follows for the final test according to the batting order - Vijay, Gambhir, Rahane, Pujara, Virat/Rohit, Naman, Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Ishant, Aaron.

  • POSTED BY whatawicket on | August 10, 2014, 16:48 GMT

    the captain should have been removed after the England tour of of India, hes a poor test captain and batter when not on Asian pitches.

    the Indian board seem to be powerless to remove him, similar with S T who played 2 years after he should have retired where once again the board where lacking. then Dravid had to retire before his time, because he could see the writing was on the wall, with the team in limbo due to the boards inertia to get rid of older players

  • POSTED BY wolf777 on | August 10, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    If nothing seems right with India then it begins with the captain and his questionable decision making. Why was Ashwin played in this Test? He scored two 40 plus runs alright; however, he is never a wicket taking bowler overseas. In explicably Ashwin was played on a pacy wicket in place of medium pacer allrounder. Why? As usual Ashwin did not pick any wicket! In the absence of a medium pace allrounder, Arron who should only be used in short bursts, had to bowl longer spells - a sure way to kill his pace and turn him into another ineffective medium pacers that are abound in India. If this questionable decision making is not changed, nothing will seem right for India for a long time.

  • POSTED BY Leggie on | August 10, 2014, 16:25 GMT

    @Biggus - Nice point. The reason the Indians don't play county cricket anymore is because of the evil - called IPL. Indian cricketers play IPL in one of the hottest cricketing conditions that one can expect in the world of cricket - and get paid in millions. Even if they're ambitious enough to play county cricket between May-August, their bodies cannot recover from the post-IPL fatigue. They cannot say no to IPL because that would indirectly mean that they don't toe the lines of BCCI! Since the big names play, BCCI makes millions with IPL - ending up in a terrible catch-22 situation. IMHO, the reason for India's failures since 2011 - a) The cricketing greats leaving around the same time; b) Poor management - starting with BCCI; c) Defensive team management - Fletcher, Dhoni & co! Despite (a) and (b), India still has a fairly decent team. They might have still lost the game, but to capitulate without a fight is due to (c).

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 16:20 GMT

    India should give a chance to rohit in last test match and I think dhoni is not good to captain in test matches!

  • POSTED BY Coolcapricorn on | August 10, 2014, 16:08 GMT

    Shocking how things have gone so badly for India in such a short time span. MSD's defensive mindset certainly didn't help at the Rose Bowl when his team selection indicated his aim was to try to hold on to the 1-0 series lead rather than go for the kill over a deflated England & try to secure yet another win in going 2-0 up. This mindset plus his poor wicket-keeping, which has cost us good opportunities to win Test series elsewhere like in NZ & SA recently, should hopefully mean the end of his Test career once this series is done. He can then concentrate on the limited formats where he is the undisputed king! Of course can't blame MSD for everything - the top order batting & the team's close catching has just been shambolic!

  • POSTED BY Vishal_07 on | August 10, 2014, 16:08 GMT

    Duncan Fletcher has to go, since he has become the coach there has been absolutely no planning and no execution. MSD has to be demoted from Test captaincy, and should be selected on merit of either his WK or batting. Make these two changes and the rest of the team will follow.

  • POSTED BY hiranya on | August 10, 2014, 16:06 GMT

    there were very bad derogatory comments by some Indian fans when SL beat England few weeks ago. They were like beating England is nothing/ battle of the minnows etc. Now what? Keep on naming your favourite 11 or 15 indian fans, even if 15 men play they will loose by 3-1.

  • POSTED BY ramz_01 on | August 10, 2014, 16:03 GMT

    well all what u looks @ is indias profermence outside asia last few years, stats dnt lie most indians calls sanga and etc flat trac bullys bt nw it shows what is real truth.

  • POSTED BY ABP235 on | August 10, 2014, 16:00 GMT

    If it was not for Rahane and Bhuvi, India would have had the same situation at Lords too. There was every evidence of Dhoni's negativism theretoo. Dhoni has proved time and again that his crazy strategies can at best work in a quickfire games but not in tests. Also, the change of team after Lords was indeed a bad omen. Commentators and experts are stating #unluckyPankaj which may have rubbed on the team for 2 tests, but we are forgetting there was a lucky charm of Stuart Binny in the first 2 tests. He saved one at Trent Bridge, but was ill treated by Dhoni, who first didnt attempt a regulation catch (off Ballance who went on to score big) and then didnt bowl Binny at all in the second innings. To recall, India won at Lords after 28 years, but the common factor in both wins was Binny (in 1986 it was his father Roger) so I reckon Binny should have been persisted with and even considered for No.6 instead of bringing in Rohit, Luck plays some part in cricket as we all know.

  • POSTED BY ladycricfan on | August 10, 2014, 15:51 GMT

    Talent is God given. How you use your talent is your choice. That is where Dhoni is irring at the moment. He uses players to his own agenda at the expense of team's best interest. Time to say good bye to Dhoni's cricketing career. Thanks for your services.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 15:44 GMT

    Dhoni's captaincy has been horrendous in last two games with no aggression(but he'll stay as capt..since the backup candidate is searching for his own form)..D Flechers role is questionable..Team selection(both the XI & the full squad) has been inexplicable..we lost to an England side which had plummetted from 1 series loss to another with scars of Johnson effect carried from last ashes..but we helped them to save English cricket in 3rd test..courtesy Jadeja catch miss..jadeja is not cut out for test ckt.shd b dropped instantly..we shd have had Umesh yadav (promising & bowls above 140ks)& Amit Mishra(capable leggy..traditional weakness of eng batters)in original squad..no clue whats the logic of Pankaj's selection who hardly bowls above 130k speed..our seam bowlng squad shd be..Bhuvi,Shami,Umesh, Aaron & Ishant with 4 of them capable of generating high speeds.& spinners Ashwin,Ojha & Mishra..batting looks bit grim with not much options left back home..except 1- if Viru can get few runs

  • POSTED BY m_ilind on | August 10, 2014, 15:36 GMT

    As the commentators said, making 3 changes to the team after losing 1 test was pressing the panic button too early. The first two Tests were nicely balanced with both teams having their chances, but winning crucial sessions was the key to India's victory at Lord's. Moment Dhoni decided to play for a draw on the 1st day at Southampton, that balance was lost. Now India are firmly under the wood for England! Negative & defensive mindsets hurt, particularly in sports. I suggest BCCI should cut all their million dollar contracts and accept DRS, as it would show this Indian team in true light.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 15:36 GMT

    pick sanju Samson... he can play well for those bouncers... were our master blasters are failing to perform...

  • POSTED BY BhaskarHajong on | August 10, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    If India do not win the final test, then Mr. Dhoni should say goodbye to test cricket!

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 15:09 GMT

    India has played one test too many on this tour. After the Lords test, the team has looked every bit "get me a flight home" mode. Unless something dramatic happens the result is not going to be any different at the oval. Totally disappointed with India's performance.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 14:59 GMT

    After the Lords victory, India should have played the same team and kept the momentum going. Perhaps, I believe they wanted to do the same. But, the unfit lad Ishant after a fiery spell fell sick or injured because of over exertion. As a result, comes Pankaj Singh and party including Rohit. Despite, Pankaj showed some kind of hunger to be a competitive cricketer with his first spell of bowling, then come the turning point of this entire series. Cook struck more than a jackpot because of that infamous dropped catch by the Million Dollar Man Jadeja. Whatever happened in the series afterwards was very much expected .

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 14:56 GMT

    I guess Ashwin should bat at no. 6 ahead of Jadeja(if he play the next Test ) and Dhoni . Ashwin looks a far more proper batsman than those two . At 6 Ashwin can used be handy allrounder and gives the option to play 5 bowlers also .

    My team for the next Test - 1.Vijay 2.Gambhir 3.Naman Ojha 4.Kohli 5.Rahane 6 Ashwin 7. Dhoni 8. Bhuvi 9.Ishant 10 Aaron 11.Pankaj

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Lesson not learnt from the loss of southamptom test which was because of batting failure or weakness. Main reason for another loss due to wrong team selection. Sir jadeja getting too much of backing by csk skipper. India badly missed rohit. Bored of watching the way gambhir gets dismissed every time. Sir and gauti dont deserve test cricket caps. Wakeup call for msd to involve on t field rather tham backing so called all rounder whos neither batsman nor bowler.

  • POSTED BY stuckwithcricket on | August 10, 2014, 14:50 GMT

    @chin-music With so much money pouring into Indian cricket the whole country is hooked into cricket and by creating exiting products (IPL) and the media frenzy these boys are just not hero's when they win but Gods. So you cant blame the fans for liking the product(s) its just sound BCCI marketing policy that is the winner. As I commented earlier on another article the team has been found out in alien conditions. Its clear that due to these alien conditions Indian batsmen find it impossible to make any adjustments in techniques so even if newer batsmen are brought in their fate will be the same. If India wants to be global winner in cricket it has to produce livelier pitches all around for starters.This will help in grooming fast bowlers and the batsmen will be tested.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    sack dhoni now.thats all I gotta say.

  • POSTED BY rushhour0825 on | August 10, 2014, 14:40 GMT

    Any captain who uses the slips as run-saving (rather than catching) positions deserves to lose.

  • POSTED BY Presynaras on | August 10, 2014, 14:04 GMT

    I read that Umesh and Mohit are being sent earlier to act as backup for India for 5th Test. If that is the case, why not also send in Mishra? If Jadeja is going to play the way he played in last 2 tests, getting out for single digits and taking just one wkt, then we might as well play Ashwin and Mishra together. Mishra can also bat and him and Ashwin will prove a good combination with the ball. Gautam Bhimani referring to Ashwin's bowling as poor during the interview, made both Ashwin and proper cricket followers angry. Unlike in SA, Ashwin bowled better line and lengths here, flighted the ball well, bowled just one carrom ball in this 13 overs and looked far more disciplined. Both Ballance and Ali would have been his scalps, had both those catches not fallen short of Ashwin in the first case and Virat in the second. Also Ashwin bowled on day 2 pitch and even Swann said spinners won't come into play till day 3,4,5. Harsh to criticise Ashwin this match. Jadeja has to make way for Mishra

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    gave only one chance to rohit and u ask him to be dropped. what is pujara doing. what is jadeja doing as a batsman, bowler & fielder. nothing except wearing fancy glasses and dropping catched in the slips. moeen has been contributing nicely with the ball and he is not a regular spinner. Indian spinners should learn from him. vijay and rahane can be forgiven because they have played well till now except for this match. shami is a far better bowler compared to pankaj and can contribute with the bat too. Msd needs to be more aggressive in field settings. he seems to let the game slip from his grasp. the slips need to come up a little bit. They are deep & pls dont put jadega in the slips. Best of luck India for the last match. pls win this match and level the series. Don't just give away. At least put a good fight so that we can be proud that you tried.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    drop pankaj for ishant jadeja for binny pujara for naman ojha and above all adopt DRS

  • POSTED BY genuinecricketer on | August 10, 2014, 13:29 GMT

    lots of mistakes from Dhoni- field pacing and bowling changes. cant understand collapse in second innings. thought absence of Broad will help India- meek surrender. wonder if India A will play better than this team.

  • POSTED BY Chetan007 on | August 10, 2014, 13:24 GMT

    A change in support staff might help Indian team. We are not seeing the energy in the field especially in test cricket since the arrival of Duncan Fletcher. Might be change in approach of coaching will help this team to win more matches outside India like what happened with the Australian team. Please bring Shaun Pollock as head bowling coach, Robin Singh as fielding coach and Justin Langer as batting coach.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 13:24 GMT

    The bowler selection got progressively worse by India. Starting with three and a half bowlers we go to two rookies (Pankaj and Aaron) and Jadeja. It seems as though Dhoni responds to more clamor for five bowlers with further depletion of the force.

  • POSTED BY PadMarley on | August 10, 2014, 13:19 GMT

    A cricketing nation's status is entirely dependent on its team's performance and not on its financial and political strengths. More and more of bling bling IPLs, and events of drama are given more prominence than performance on the ground, India will continue to be miserable outside sub-continent. This is sad for true test lovers!Talking about true test lovers, I wonder how many real test cricket lovers were able to see an amazing battle in the last two days between Ajmal vs Sanga in one of the most spin friendly wickets in the world!! Epic!! I guess the world misses these moments due to excessive attention on boring games between some of the big nations!

  • POSTED BY baghels.a on | August 10, 2014, 12:23 GMT

    As an Indian fan i am terribly gutted but i would like to congratulate English team for this massive win , it has been a remarkable turnaround for the English side after the Lords test and i didn't see it coming.I would like to single out English fans on Cricinfo as the fairest and most unbiased fans.these forums now have become a test of patience for me , there is so much negativity,hate,knee jerk reactions and too many people with deep rooted biases and agendas commenting here.People nowadays have short term memories and are so reactionary and resort to calling players like Kohli and Pujara who have proven themselves in SA and NZ overrated, so now R Ashwin,Bhuvi are overall better batters than Kohli and Pujara.I don't why some Indian fans are bringing IPL into it, IPL runs for 2 weeks and was over by June, did anyone credit IPL for the victory at Lords ?? for encouraging performances in SA,NZ,for winning ICC Champions trophy ,for Ind A winning Quad series in Aus ?? contd

  • POSTED BY balaji28 on | August 10, 2014, 11:55 GMT

    First of all all the selectors needs to be revamped and India's coach duncan fletcher needs to be the made head of selection panel and he should approve the selection. Dhoni needs to retire from test cricket for the redemption of indian test team. Virat,rohit,pujara,dhawan,gambhir,shami,jaddu needs to be dropped. Indian test team need to select vijay or ashwin as temporary captain to redeem the test team.

  • POSTED BY Bobby_Talyarkhan on | August 10, 2014, 11:41 GMT

    Any touring team playing a 5 test series in England needs to play competitive first class matches against good quality county opposition between test matches to get out of form players into nick and give other players the chance to get into the test XI. I am not saying we should go back to the days of Bradman when every tour of England opened under the spires of Worcester Cathedral on the banks of the Severn and proceeded in stately fashion playing every county in turn. But net practice is not enough - you need to put players in a competitive match situation to hone their skills and help them build up their confidence. Instead, BCCI and Fletcher in their wisdom decided to have two "practice" games against county second XI's at the start of the tour, robbing those games of their competitive value by allowing the tourists to field the whole squad and scheduling no other county games between the tests. The results are there for all to see - players clueless about their role in the team.

  • POSTED BY electric_loco_WAP4 on | August 10, 2014, 11:39 GMT

    @all Dhoni critics for toss,it was a brilliant,totally right call.In the greatest's own words-Sir Don-'If you W toss,bat.If in some doubt,think for a moment,then again choose to bat.' Still dont agree?Well,ask the Eng.They all will,in unison! -:)

  • POSTED BY Leggie on | August 10, 2014, 11:32 GMT

    He lets the opponent slowly and steadily recover, with the mentality that his batting unit can better whatever his opposition comes up with. This flawed thinking gets exposed in overseas condition more often than not. SA came close to chasing a 450+ in the 4th innings, Clarke/Hussey raked up 300+ partnerships, McCullum scores a triple century..., Pieterson scores a 180+ on a rank turner, and many many more batting records created vs. india in the last 3 years. Dhoni's field spreading tactics have cost india to lose ODIs as well recently. Granted that Indian bowling is weak, but then lesser Indian attacks have scripted some famous indian wins. That some of India's win featured the likes of Sanjay Bangar, Ajit Agarkar, Sreesanth, RP Singh et al suggest that if the captain attacks the opposition and puts them under equal pressure, there is bound to be some reward. Dhoni - the Test captain - ha failed to capture those key moments in the game, and has cost India dearly.

  • POSTED BY chin-music on | August 10, 2014, 11:19 GMT

    Never surprises me to see these feigned expressions of 'shock" from Indian fans after yet another one of the now routine humiliations they endure on overseas tour. Problem is not that Indian team underperforms - it's that self delusional Indian fans convince themselves that a routinely mediocre team (correctly ranked 5th or lower in Tests) that broadly consists of - a pop-gun bowling attack ( if 1 guy touches 14okph , entire nation gets excited -- note , even England's change bowlers Woakes & Jordan bowled faster) + a batting lineup whose overhyped reputation is based on 1day/IPL exploits ( where even on Indian featherbeds , bowler is not allowed to bounce the batsmen regularly)+ a fielding team which has historically never shown any athleticism --- will somehow metamorphose into a world beating team only because their bigoted fans will loudly continue insisting so, is itself an irrational argument to make.

  • POSTED BY Leggie on | August 10, 2014, 11:10 GMT

    Dhoni's decision to bat first on a juicy pitch under cloudy conditions was a recipe for disaster from day 1. The fact that he did not believe his bowlers was quite apparent then, and it only got substantiated when he blamed the batsman for the defeat. Fair enough. Any batting unit that cannot last more than 90 overs need to be condemned. But then to protect the bowling unit for their performance reflects Dhoni's flawed thinking as a captain. Dhoni - the ODI/T20 captain - is used to seeing 350s/200s chased down in subcontinental conditions. His comments suggest that he thinks... "whatever the opponent scores, the batting would better it"!!! This is absolutely wrong. The bowlers have to setup victory. In is Test, after india got bowled out for 152 in the first innings, india had the opportunity to come back hard and restrict England to 200. This is where Dhoni errs the most as a captain. He lets the opponent slowly and steadily recover, with then mentality that we can compensate (cont'd)

  • POSTED BY nair_ottappalam on | August 10, 2014, 10:48 GMT

    This Indian Team, especially captain Dhoni, concentrated more on penalizing Anderson rather than playing test cricket. In fact this test series is being played between two negative test captains. England played penalty for their lackluster approach at Lords, where there was a fair chance for them to chase the target down. I should fairly say that England didn't win the test matches at Aeges Bowl and Old Trafford, but India did it for the English. Very sorry to note that quality batsmen like Pujara and Kohli have miserably failed in this series and from nowhere Moeen Ali has become Muralitharan for India. Of course England have in them two quality fast bowlers (Anderson and Broad). One should be thankful to Cook and his men or else with the quality of cricket played by India, the result would very well have been 5-0 in England's favour. It is high time Dhoni stepped down from the test captaincy.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 10:33 GMT

    The way forward for Indian cricket is to select the Test team based on current form of the players in Ranji & Duleep Trophy matches and not One day and 20/20 form. They should just forget about their previous performance and experience and just count the current form. Previous performance and names did not help our cause in England.

  • POSTED BY Biggus on | August 10, 2014, 10:26 GMT

    @nursery_ender:- Indeed, but that wasn't a point I wanted to dwell on.

  • POSTED BY John-Orford on | August 10, 2014, 10:08 GMT

    Yes a ghastly performance. But many English will sympathise, having memories still of five beatings in Australia. We had to rebuild and re-think and we did - we're very much "work in progress" but we can see some sort of future. It seems that India are between good teams; those famous wristy batsmen and spinners will surely come again. Don't die - we need your style of cricket.

  • POSTED BY Zerof on | August 10, 2014, 9:43 GMT

    Test match cricket has a totally different requirement, as soon as BCCI and selectors wake up to it, it will help the Indian Team. Yuvraj can blast Broad for six sixes in an over, but he cannot survive against him in whites. Rohit Sharma can score 200 runs in a one day match, he cannot survive 20 balls in a Test match. Rahul, Shewag, Sachin and Saurav are exceptions. If you check the current crop, they are good only for One Day and 20/20 games. From the current 11, show me one match winner, one player who can single handedly turn a match around. It is not just capability and competency, it is also the consistency which is also important. Unfortunately the current team has talent, which is unpredictable, results may show, if all fall into place, but it is more of luck, then the ability to deliver the win.

  • POSTED BY Marklab on | August 10, 2014, 9:35 GMT

    The Indians can't travel abroad. For all the star status and milliions they earn back home they don't perform at all well overseas. In particular Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan have let the team down badly. The last test should be their team test. Perform or go. After all you have made a small fortune to go do something else. Let the more hungry players in.

  • POSTED BY nursery_ender on | August 10, 2014, 9:06 GMT

    Posted by Biggus on (August 10, 2014, 7:47 GMT) There's a lot of talk here about the BCCI sending the players to play in county and other cricket

    Why would any county want to sign players who have proved clueless in English conditions? With only one overseas player allowed in the Championship they want the finished article, not someone learning his trade.

  • POSTED BY brusselslion on | August 10, 2014, 8:44 GMT

    @thozar: "After the same number of tests, I think Anderson may have averaged 82, hahaha." Well, I guess that just shows what a good bowler Anderson has become in his later years!

    BTW: Weren't you another of the India 5-0 brigade?

  • POSTED BY hghghghg on | August 10, 2014, 8:27 GMT

    its an absolute shameful performance by team india at old trafford they didnt even look to put up a fight they just meekly surrendered to the english side who also hv quite a few young players some of whom barely ten tests old. ishants injury was a big blow but i dont see him making any diff if our batsman cant last even a day and tht when u combine both innings!jadeja will occasionally put up a good show with the bat but he cant and wont be consistent.dhoni needs to do something abt his opening combo dhawan will never be a good player overseas his technique requires too much of correction instead of the little adaptations!pujara looked okay in his innings but its surprising he cant convert it into big scores! kohli was always dicey in tests lets see how he plays from now on. its quite surprising how our batting needs more attention than our bowling!

  • POSTED BY tests_the_best on | August 10, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    My fellow Indian fans need to relax and cut some slack for the team. The team's still not a finished act and one needs to look at positives.

    Based on Ashwin's performance with the bat in Aus and this test, he seems capable of being a no 6 batsman even without any contributions with the ball. A combination of Ishant, Aaron, B Kumar/Umesh is a good combination going forward as far as bowling is concerned.

    Clear problems: lack of another opener to complement Vijay and Kohli's technique in swinging conditions. Jadeja is clearly not test quality in overseas conditions notwithstanding his slog 68 at Lord's and Rohit/N Ojha should take his place. However, I think in another couple of years this team is going to be much better.

    Aus also lost the 5 test series 0-3 last year in Eng (atleast India are going to be better than that). Later on Aus regrouped quite well. Point being, this team needs to be given some time and they'll become better with more experience so try to be more supportive.

  • POSTED BY ravichakra on | August 10, 2014, 7:52 GMT

    Indian Test cricket died a natural death in March, 2012 and was cremated in August, 2012. If you are cricket lovers, you will understand what I mean. One was our overseas hero and the other the rescuer in many home games and when the two combined, it would always be history. Don't be surprised if you do not see SRT in the mix. To me, he has never contributed when it mattered most, more a personal milestones chaser. Coming back to the point, two aspects India have missed since Dravid and Laxman's retirement - India cannot last 50 overs in a test innings and two most importantly the slip catching (an art contrary to Indian public's perception) has died as well. Result we are not only losing overseas to a mediocre team but we lost a series to them at home for the first time in 28 years. I haven't even spoken about Virat Kohli not being a test player and Dhoni not fit for tests at all.

  • POSTED BY ZainE111 on | August 10, 2014, 7:49 GMT

    Just a point on the Wanderers pitch India played on late last year. That pitch was uncharacteristically slow and dull, lacking the typical Wanderers bounce. I seem to recall Amla getting bowled to a Mahomed Shami short ball that Amla tried to duck under!

    That being said, Kohli and Pujara were much more disciplined that day than they are currently in England. Even if those conditions were less helpful to the bowlers.

  • POSTED BY Biggus on | August 10, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    There's a lot of talk here about the BCCI sending the players to play in county and other cricket. I'm pretty sure the way it works with Australian players is that they personally make the effort to find a county spot because they don't want to sit around for six months, either because they're test players and we don't have a winter series scheduled or they're ambitious Shield players. I'm not really knowledgeable about the intricacies of the Indian season so perhaps there are complications I'm not aware of. Surely the more ambitious of the players in the Ranji competition could be looking for county contracts so if they do get a call up for an overseas tour they're not such fish out of water. Guys like Justin Langer and Chris Rodgers spent years playing county or league cricket in England. Where is the drive, the hunger, from the Indian players to better themselves in all conditions? Has it all become too comfortable for them at home? Too many lucrative endorsements to bother?

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    Jaydeep Dhaba thanks to fans like you Team India is continuing like this if Kholi fired if Pujara fired dude they didn't that's the crux of the matter they have taken their positions for granted and with a captain like Dhoni its more easy for them.The so called spin greats struggled against what England calls a part time spinner.Its a proven fact Indian batsmen struggle when there is movement in pitch.With regard to your statement of 1-0 in SA and NZ the same if and but if placed there India would have been 2-0 both places had AB not got out at wrong time had Baz declared sooner.Cricket is not about if's and but's and for those saying India will beat oz at home keep dreaming with this line up and Mitch Siddle Harris its time for sweet chin music.MSD and his defensive captaincy should go then team India can think about something

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 7:45 GMT

    IPL does more good than bad. Players under central contract already make a decent living playing for India and with their endorsements. BCCI should make their Test players play country cricket instead of the IPL. In any case Vijay, Pujara dont make a big impact in IPL anymore.

  • POSTED BY mjrvasu on | August 10, 2014, 7:26 GMT

    Gone are the days when at least some of the top players from India used to play in English County League. At least they would have been familiar with the conditions of swing and seam. Today everybody is onto IPL, so Test Cricket skills have gone out of the stadiums. We cannot bring back Sachin or Dravid, but we can work on good and steady Ranji players to be groomed as future Test players. Also find ways for these players to get used to overseas conditions as much as possible, instead of being flat track heroes.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    I'll keep on repeating that most of these Indian players are taking their place in the team for granted. Who's responsible? it's none other than the bcci themselves. Money is the root of all evil and the devil here is the IPL. These players earn huge so does the bcci. it's a business that we need to mind our own businesses. The Indians just love the iPl's the champion leagues so much that they just don't bother what team India does. Indian fans are more into the groove of franchise based teams. Everyone seems so excited getting the bulk of the money ipl offers including former players turned commentators is so heartbreaking for a die hard team India fan like me. Sending bowlers and batsmen for counties is never a top priority for the BCCI. SHAME.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    I'll keep on repeating that most of these Indian players are taking their place in the team for granted. Who's responsible? it's none other than the bcci themselves. Money is the root of all evil and the devil here is the IPL. These players earn huge so does the bcci. it's a business that we need to mind our own businesses. The Indians just love the iPl's the champion leagues so much that they just don't bother what team India does. Indian fans are more into the groove of franchise based teams. Everyone seems so excited getting the bulk of the money ipl offers including former players turned commentators is so heartbreaking for a die hard team India fan like me. Sending bowlers and batsmen for counties is never a top priority for the BCCI. SHAME.

  • POSTED BY amitava0112 on | August 10, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    Its India who had lost rather than england who won..contrary to what experts say I dont believe that Anderson-Broad combination is the best fast bowling pair going at present- they are great on english conditions but both have moderate returns overseas & average 35+..Steyn-Morkel & the combined Aussie pace attacks have more venom..moreover english backup seam & spin are ordinary at best...remember Srilanka beat eng in eng few months back-albeit 2 test series..The Indian batting is in doldrums..Gambhir is struggling,Pujara yet to fire (hope now people stop comparing him to Dravid),Kohli's weakness glaring,Rohit & Dhawan flatters to decieve..Jadeja shd not be selected in tests..in bowling Umesh shd hv been in original squad.Aaron seems to hv some promise..am still not convinced with Ishant-in lords he was helped by Eng batting..team for Oval shd be..Vijay,Dhawan,Pujara,Rahane,Gambhir,Kohli,Dhoni,Ashwin,Bhuvi,Aaron,Umesh..Gambhir plays spin well so in middleorder.dhawan in opening.Kohli 6

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 7:09 GMT

    why is Aaron not in ODI XI?

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    I js Dnt knw y eb is not giving Eng d deserved credit fr deserved two wins Ballance hs been superve in dis series a real find fr eng.Root is bck to his form n Buttler also hs a solid d strt to his career thgh a long way to go.Anderson hs been magnificent as he hs alwys been in English conditions.Ali hsn't been given much credit Bt his performance shws he his doing d basics right by bowling consistent line n length.The main prob wid India is tht they almost diff bowling line up home n away .At home Jaddu,Ashwi,Ojha,Shami hs been dere main bowlers but away frm home de r hardly perfrmng r in d xi whereas if u see eng sa aus dere main bowlers no matter what condn it is play d Mtch.

  • POSTED BY BhaskarHajong on | August 10, 2014, 6:45 GMT

    Give the nonperformer like Kohli, Pujara rest for the last test. Dhawan, jadeja, pankaj really cannot be in the team, they are not good for this levels and pankaj is 30, how good he will get! Gambhir's time is over. One last chance for binny(as a batsman). If Ishant is fit to play then the xi for next test should be vijay, rohit, rahane, naman, binny, dhoni, ashwin, bhuvi, ishant, varun, ishwar.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 6:40 GMT

    I am really Disappointed with dhoni's attitude who is playing the playing 11 who are in his choice.. Unlike Virat and Pujara playing on Merritt.... there is no change in team Same test team Except Raina.Same T20 team.and oneday...... what is the fun of paying to the selection Committee of BCCI... because Dhoni own is a selector of whole team.... it's Dhoni greatness India only performing at home only not away... last for or five year's record India disappointing so much...... Why the not try to come back #balagi Aaron is a good choice... but india have just attitude problem not any thing else...

  • POSTED BY tom120 on | August 10, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    SA pitches were very slow due to which young Indian players could fare well. It was particularly seen during Aus tour of SA, the last 2matches were played on tracks so slow that the ball sometimes was collected by keeper on first bounce. NZ had decent bowling line up, but not good. So, India performing a tad bit better in SA & NZ didn't amaze me. Before the tour started I was positive that India will win the series easily against England. Now against Aus, India will definitely lose either 3-0 or 4-0. Ryan Harris is second best bowler after steyn and Aus pitches are fast, unlike SA & England, Ryan will do the same that Jimmy did. Plus Mitch is there. What happened to Broad yesterday might happen to indian players at brisbane particularly.After Brisbane test, I don't know how many players will remain totally fit to play the next 3 matches.

  • POSTED BY SudeepSonawane on | August 10, 2014, 6:35 GMT

    Monga is spot on. Dhoni takes many dumber than dumb decisions. He and Fletcher should be sacked ONLY for repeatedly selecting Jadeja in XI and then batting him ahead of Ashwin and Bhuvi. Is Dhoni trying to please all players? Does he fear mutiny? Does he understand the value of players who deliver and the concept of current form and confidence? Any club captain would have backed Ashwin, Binny and Bhuvi to bat higher up. Changing batting order also upsets rival's plans. Dhoni's poor team selection and stupid decisions on the field are the legacy of learning his cricket in a non-cricketing city of Ranchi. He is thoroughly inept to lead India in Tests. Individual brilliance of key players masks his limitations in ODIs and T20. He hides behind batsmen's failures and takes no steps to fix problems.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 6:33 GMT

    I want to ask you all....

    India have chief coach as Dunkan Fletcher (who is uneffective at all) unlike Kirsten and John Wright. We have feilding coach not like a standard of Rhodes we have bowling coach (rediculous coach this is out of all). I mean e choice of coach not person or position. if you're investing in team for them to improve in out of subcontinent condition then why are you not opting a person like McGrath or Lee or Gillespie or Shane Bond or etc who changed a world's opinion regarding him. By opting any of these sort of selection will help India to find a tremendous fast bowler. If IPL franchises owner can select this kind of bowler then why not India???? Please share your though about this.

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 10, 2014, 6:24 GMT

    @dunger.bob, you forgot Rahane. Rahane moves up to 4 and Kohli comes at 5. Good-bye to Gambhir and Bye to Dhawan (for now). Rohit comes as opener. We have nothing to lose. Do we? Better to lose by looking for answers rather than giving the same wrong/failed answers to the same old questions. As Zaheer Hussain said, a good captain comes with ideas and plans in a crisis. Dhoni-Fletcher combo is clueless unlike Ganguly-Wright combo. Dravid's Team India won many significant matches/series despite Chappell the Greg, since Dravid is one of the most erudite cricketers this game has ever seen.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 6:21 GMT

    I don't know why Dhoni is not attacked England at Southampton at all. He attacked a lot more in Lord's with intention of winning a test match where a pitch was lot lot more grassy. With Ishant Sharma being injured since Lord's MSD thought without Ishant how can I took 20 wickets which is ridiculous. Is Ishant is the only bowler of Indian team who took wickets. You have BK and Aaron and Pankaj. That mindset of MSD caution this two lose. Pankaj wo could be the find of India in this tour Jadeja and Rod Tucker helped him to make runs in his bowling by this two. And can MSD attack like what he did at Lord's to make India comeback in Kia Oval. Making his bowler to bowl at negative line helped England to won. Now again we are on the same page where we left before historic Lord's win.

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | August 10, 2014, 6:21 GMT

    @ Jaydeep Dabhi : Broad and Morkel are about the same. Both can be a real handful but tend to go missing for long periods of time. .. Morkel is a good bowler but not the world beater everyone seems to think he is. Philander is on the way out imo. He was treated with disdain by Warner and co IN South Africa and hasn't looked the same since.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 6:12 GMT

    I'm hopeful that Kohli will make roar in upcoming Australia tour whose attack is far better then England. Last Australian tour which turn around of Kohli's class of batting and that reflected in his batting form. For Pujara (with 72) when Australia came in India in 2010 series having Dravid in your team and gave Pujara chance to play at No 3 inplace of like him is explained itself and Shikhar who made 187 off just 148 balls in debut match and debut innings of Test career. I hope this will fire against them in Australia then we will see what's the difference.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 6:03 GMT

    Kohli and Pujara both are away from just just one big inning and as soon as they will get it they can smash out of the park even goodness of Dale Steyn and Mitchell Johnson especially in out of sub continent. But they both have struggled this series especially Kohli. Their batting forms would have made enormous difference in both the team's performance and could have won this series even with Rahane and Dhoni and Bhuvneshwar and Ishant getting form in past one year and Varun Aaron in the team. Make a final statement when they both in tremendous form. Anderson exposed Kohli's weakness in test matches (For most of the players this can be) he will comeback even more strongly and then he will see Anderson in nowhere in world.

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | August 10, 2014, 5:59 GMT

    @ Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist: Assuming you're right, who do you swap him with? Dhoni's already batting at 6. Do you move Kholi to 5 and bring Dahwan up to 4. As far as I can see that's all you can do unless you move Dhoni even further out of his natural position of 7 or 8. .. I can't see any any room to manoeuvre. Dhawan for Kholi isn't an awe inspiring improvement in my view. Not at the moment at least. .. I guess the other thing you could do is bring in an extra batsman and only use 4 bowlers. All I can say to that is that they better be 4 damn good bowlers or that could backfire very badly.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 5:54 GMT

    For all who says England won and made comeback in series, my point to those people is that had Kohli and Pujara really fired here which they tremendously in the best team in current team in world South Africa to lost by 0-1 only with having an century's best fast bowler Dale Steyn sharing attack with Morne Morkel and new emerging Vernon Philander to earn this two guys wickets. So what is the class of Anderson (who is little bit better then Broad) and Broad who is okay not extra ordinary like Morne Morkel. Yes, Pujara didn't fire in New Zealand but as much as Kohli who had great tour. If this two would have fired in that manner then England's entire team would have seen stars in day dream (Like Warne had seen smashed by Sachin). Hence don't give credit to England. And with these two even Shikhar didn't fired as well otherwise they where out of the team as well.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 5:45 GMT

    I think dhoni should quite test match cricket his captaincy is awfull .he lacks Captaincy skills.his selection of final 11 ,bowling changes , field placings are very poor

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 5:45 GMT

    @Sir_lovr I am strongly disagree with you becuase when Englang won that Ashes they had KP Strauss Cook in extra ordinary form Trott who is England's best one down batsman (In my opinion) Bell in also good form and moreover Australia was not at par at that time. So they deserve to won that BUT... BUT... BUT... With this current England Team who is going nowhere how can they beat India in this ridiculous way. So mind it that India helped them to win matches. If Sri Lanka can beat them by 0-1 and moreover if Pakistan toured then they surely smashed them with whitewash, look at their bowling attack.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 5:34 GMT

    I'm really not agree with those who all are praising England for their win in last 2 matches. Yes, they play as they played in first 2 matches of the series. But that is India who had lost matches in real manner and that is 150% helped England to make comeback. Hence, England didn't do anything really special it's India played badly in last 2 matches.

  • POSTED BY Test_Match_Fan on | August 10, 2014, 5:29 GMT

    drop 20/20 cricketers. Start with Jadeja, Kohli and Dhoni. That should shake India up. Get rid of Fletcher. His role is unclear

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 10, 2014, 5:25 GMT

    @dunger.bob, just a reminder. Once upon a time, a certain Rahul Dravid was sent down the order by John Wright in Kolkata 2001 second innings against a rampant Australia and The Champion Rahul Dravid responded with a superlative 150+ in that second innings. Kohli too is a Champion. Such a strategic move won't demoralize him. He will come in with much more determination. Champions and mere mortals respond differently for the same situation. You can't shatter champions' confidence, especially when you make champions part of the decision making process and I am sure Kohli would surely see the positive side of such a decision. There is lot of merit in shielding Kohli for the time-being.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    I have seen people commenting here : DEFENSIVE TACTICS BY DHONI. I want to ask those people what would you do as a captain when your frontline batsmen are getting out inside 10 runs.. when your bowler arent able to bowl right line and length and nor your fielders are able to cling on to simple catches. Is the captain to be blamed everytime? I dont think so even Kapil or Sourav could have done in place of Dhoni. If you wanna blame, blame the board for creating flat and batsmen friendly indian pitches where neither the batsmen nor the bowlers get to learn anything. Blame BCCI for creating IPL where no good comes for Indian Test. Look at the domestic sys of Australia and England. They have challenging tracks. Whenever a new player comes out of their domestic circuit to the international level he looks so matured and ready unlike our players. Please instead of blaming and hating dhoni, support him in such period.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 5:14 GMT

    can v have sehwag back. he is still better then dhawan & rohit. he shud be on aussie tour. he can't pmay dfensive for long period of time. u have to make some score to come out of pressure & he does it trmendsly. He cud play better this english attack. bt whtever is gone is gone. now bring bak him & bhajji in d team for the next tour.

  • POSTED BY _-Will-_ on | August 10, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    Just my thoughts on DRS and Pujara:

    I do wish we would use DRS. If for no other reason than 94% accuracy (or whatever, its somewhere in the high 90's) is usually going to be more accurate over the course of a test match than the real time judgements of human beings.

    But with the case of Pujara, I think discussing DRS is futile. It is impossible to know what might have happened had he been given not out, but none of our batsmen appeared convincing in either innings. Clearly, all our players are experiencing a severe reality check - their mental and technical capabilities are being scrutinised to a level they have not previously experienced. They are failing the test and are visibly rattled.

    Pujara is no exception. I also think he played down the wrong line of the ball to which he was given out, and he seemed to play too early. I'm no expert and I could be wrong, but that's how it appeared to me in real time. Playing that way, he was never going to last very long imo...

  • POSTED BY kvmk on | August 10, 2014, 5:09 GMT

    This Indian loss in Manchester is inexplicable and inexcusable. All conditions were against England at the start of the Indian second innings. Two front line bowlers not available to their fullest capability, one injured and the other not cent percent fit. Yet, Indian catapulted in such a fashion, loosing 9 wickets in less than a session (28 overs to be exact).

    The next thing that Indians can do is, identify those responsible for this shameless performance from the next test, whoever that may be. For, a 3-1 loss with a new set of willing players, who take pride in adorning that Indian cap on the field does not look as worse as the present side with one or two changes.

    If the selectors are bold enough, let them take that route. Otherwise Indian cricket is going to suffer. For the long term, construct a test team that does not include one day and T20 players, for they are an exhausted lot when it comes to 5 day toil with both the bat and the ball and fielding to boot.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 4:52 GMT

    @Rally_Windies: Yes, Rohit is a very talented batsman but he needs to see hypnotist or a yoga scholar to develop is cricketing mind. He is very unpredictable. He can be retained in a team when all others are performing not when all others are failing.

    @dunger.bob: Change in the batting order must be part of the game depending on the situation. We play night-watchman to protect the main batsman so what's wrong in coming further down to regain the form. Scoring runs further down is better for confidence than getting out up the order. He is not being sheltered because Anderson could be bowling at that time too but India could be in a better situation to take the pressure of the team's score off him as well as other players.

  • POSTED BY Sir_Ivor on | August 10, 2014, 4:48 GMT

    I just ant to remind people that this England side beat a good Australian side 3-0 in the Ashes in 2012. England has probably the best fast bowling pair in the world and losing to them with an inexperienced team is no shame as is being made out. There are certain things that need to e done though. Dhoni must step down from captaincy all formats of the game. The selectors need to look at players other than the ones who have been selected repeatedly. They need at least one attacking opener not two of them who only ensure that the opposition opening bowlers are brought t heir best. We need a good leg spinner and three really fast bowlers in the attack. I have always believed tat Dhoni won many trophies base on luck and little else. I hope the selectors realize tis before the Australian tour.

  • POSTED BY CandidIndian on | August 10, 2014, 4:46 GMT

    Disappointing as usual. The main problem is poor leadership of Dhoni in test cricket. His defensive tactics have done wonders for him and team India in limited overs cricket but due to that approach Dhoni has failed miserably overseas. Yes India does not have great record overseas anyways but since Ganguly(later Dravid) took over as captain in 2000 India were at-least competitive, infact they managed to win in Eng, NZ, WI and Pakistan. The two losses after win at Lords is exactly the same to those in 2011, same poor approach and defensive captaincy. Many would disagree but Dhoni and his team does not take test cricket seriously, it seems they taking these test matches as practice for ODI series to follow. 3-1 looks certain now until England decides to go in self destructive mode like it happened in Lords.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 4:43 GMT

    Jadeja needs to be dropped at all cost. Even Rohit Sharma who is far better batsman than bowl few good deliveries. So picking him will do far better for India than neither-a-batsman-nor-a-bowler Jadeja. So drop Jadeja unless Dhoni unless the skipper is at the risk of breaching some contracts.

  • POSTED BY yogesh.gg on | August 10, 2014, 4:38 GMT

    With so much cricket(read IPL) being played around , we should groom a different team for Tests and those players should be banned from playing any T20 stuff. We have a huge talent pool and we should harness hunger of other talented players. Talent alone can't take you anywhere. These current players are talented but have shown no grit

  • POSTED BY Kashi0127 on | August 10, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    I think most of the articles are being too nice to India batsmen. Most of them with the exception of Vijay and to an extent Rahane are overrated flukes and flat track bullies. They are also IPL KINGS. And these two primarily is Indian batsmen downfall. I repeat what I said earlier. BEG/ REQUEST/ PERSUADE the old guard of Dravid, Ganguli, Laxman, Kumble to come back allowing them sufficient money and time to get fit again to play for India and help build India team. Drop all these celebrities - and that's what they are. IPL success which has no relevance in a game of real cricket has gone to their head and think they are invincible. With the guidance of old guard get raw talent and groom them!

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 4:23 GMT

    What is the problem? Can anybody detect it and come up with any sort solution if any?all scrambled opinions...It happens when things do go right as u wish..Few people pointed out Dhoni's flaw full captaincy . Well the same flaw full leadership brought Indian one the memorable test victories overseas.Yes it was wrong tactics to continue bowling bouncers with old ball to set batesman especially when new ball was due shortly. Not a single cricket pundit vouched for that tactic. Had he and Ishant failed the story would have been worse. Now my point is as a successful leader one has to think out of the box and have to take risk. success and failure are part the game..Dont blame Dhoni. He has left nothing to win. He won everything one can do at his place. No captain of India achieved that much of success he achieved in Indian cricket history in 82 years . Without being a gifted wk, batesman, no cricketing back ground he managed to lead the world.Its a huge achievement . Appreciate it..

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | August 10, 2014, 4:22 GMT

    It would be nice to see Rohit given HALF the chance of Kholi ...... just 1/2 ........

    Rohit should have been playing.... NOT KHOLI

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | August 10, 2014, 4:16 GMT

    @ Zaheer Hussain: Dropping Kholi down the order to protect him isn't a good move in my opinion. I can certainly understand your thinking and can see the logic in it but I don't think it's the right way to go just the same. .. I think it has a lot of potential to damage what must be an already fragile mindset even further. It could really eat at his confidence and self belief to be sheltered from the bowling like that. His job is to bat and he knows that. Moving down the order is akin to being demoted at work for a professional batsman. I hardly know anything about Kholi but I get the impression that he's a proud individual who might not take demotion too well. .. just my opinion of course.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 4:16 GMT

    India's bowling has been OK. Despite dropped catches they still bowled out England for 367. It is the batting that failed not only to pace but to spin as well. So much so that Moeen did not bowl in the first innings and Broad did not bowl in the second innings. Yet India could not score more than 161.

    After seeing the passive Dhoni for so long, I do not expect any major change for the next test. However, in the next match drop Gambhir, Pankaj Singh & Jadeja. Bring in Naman Ojha, Binny and Ishant Sharma. Drop Kohli in the batting order to below Dhoni unless India are in strong position. In case Ishant not being available, keep Pankaj Singh.

  • POSTED BY Humdingers on | August 10, 2014, 4:09 GMT

    Some changes defn need to be made (if not for the next Aus series, from then on). 1. The Jadega experiment needs to be put to rest. He is not Test match material. Gambhir has played his last test also. 2. Ashwin is not a frontline spinner. Send him back to FC cricket to regain his touch. He could potentially play as a Spinning All-Rounder due to his batting ability. 3. Keep the batsmen (including Dhawan). They are a young side and will be grow - they have the skills, now they need the mental fortitude. 4. The need a frontline Spinner - no more bits and pieces players. Ojha, Mishra, Chawla, Patel, Karun - whoever. 5. New Test Captain. Dhoni has to go. 6. New Coach. Fletcher is not suitable for Indian cricket. Retain him as a developer of talent for the youngsters if you want or a batting consultant, but he needs to go. Ganguly said it right on commentary as the wickets were falling…they are making the same mistakes over and again, there is no improvement.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 4:04 GMT

    After miracle of Lords, its same old story of top order failing miserably and bowlers not able to polish off the tail. To accentuate the matters your best betsman at no. 3 and no. 4 are sitting ducks. No attacking spinners in the mix and receipie is their for the disaster. Lets bring some new faces after all the A team performed exceptionally well in Australia. Also, Dhoni, the test captain is a far cry from Dhoni, the ODI captain. Some of star players need to have played county cricket, sacrificing few days of IPL (remember Sangs before England tour of Sri Lanka ) but then who cares?

  • POSTED BY Kirk_Levin on | August 10, 2014, 4:03 GMT

    India has always been inconsistent away from home. Why do you think, they have yet to win a test series in Aussie? Hardly surprising when you make a career of scoring runs on placid pitches.

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | August 10, 2014, 3:57 GMT

    To D.S.A comments "India's next XI should be: 1. Murali Vijay, 2. Gautam Gambhir, 3. Cheteshwar Pujara, 4. Ajinkya Rahane, 5. Naman Ojha, 6. Mahendra Singh Dhoni, 7. Ravichandran Ashwin, 8. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 9. Varun Aaron, 10. Ishwar Pandey, 11. Pankaj Singh."

    This will definitely make it 3-1 to England, I will replace Gambhir, Ishwar Pandey, Pankaj Singh with Rohit Sharma, Ishant Sharma (if fit) and Kohli in the side. I will open with Pujara. Pankaj Singh can't bat at all, these days you expect tailender to score some runs, India is playing with 10 batsmen with him is the side and right now that is their big problem.

    This side has one too many batsmen in the side, ideally you want an attacking leg spinner in the side but India decided to leave both Amit Mishra and Piyush Chawla at home (senseless selection again).

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 3:52 GMT

    India need to rethink about DRS. Pujara had a bad decision in the second innings. When two wickets fall in two balls, it causes shock and shakes the entire line up.

    Dhoni is too passive with everything. He should have dropped Kohli in the batting order below him to protect the out-of-form player. Likewise, he should have dropped Jadeja too to below Bhuvi. A good captain would come up with ideas to handle crisis.

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | August 10, 2014, 3:36 GMT

    India should remove Dhoni from the selection panel, the selection decisions need to be in the best interests of the team. It is not happening at the moment,.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 3:34 GMT

    Ishant sharma is being badly missed by Indian bowling department...!!!

  • POSTED BY Ramansilva on | August 10, 2014, 3:29 GMT

    India should be happier to avoid a repeat of 0-5 whitewash. Take the team back to the dust bowls of India, and the likes of Kohli and Dhawan will smash all over the ground.

  • POSTED BY myStraightTalk on | August 10, 2014, 3:22 GMT

    Good to see Cook beating Dhoni in 3 test series in a row.. Good way for England to get lot of motivation for the 1 day World Cup.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 3:20 GMT

    now as far as for the next test the final XI should be: Vijay,Gambhir/Naman,Pujara,Rahane,Dhoni,Ashwin,Bhuvi,Aaron,Ishant/Pankaj,Shami,& Rohit on basis that ishant is injured...

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | August 10, 2014, 3:14 GMT

    Well, it's not as though the cricket gods weren't doing their best to help India out either. Broad took one in the face and couldn't bowl. That's a bonus. Anderson was sick and had to leave the field. Another bonus. Hell, the gods even sent a hurricane along just to make sure of it. .. for a while there I thought dumb luck might see the Indians to a draw. Not to be though. It seems that some things are just so diabolical not even the gods can save them.

  • POSTED BY Man_from_Mountains on | August 10, 2014, 3:12 GMT

    Well played England !! You guys thoroughly deserved to win this match. As an Indian fan I am really disappointed with Indian performances. The way Indian team is playing it seems that England will easily will win the series 3-1. I think we need to make some changes in our playing eleven. We can still make it 2-2 if our team plays positive cricket. I think this is the right time for Dhoni to go as his weaknesses as test skipper appeared drastically since last England tour.

    My playing XI for next test match Gautam, Murali, Rahane at no. 3, Rohit at no 4, Kohli, Dhoni, Ashwin, Binny, Bhuvneshwar, Ishant, Varun.

  • POSTED BY m0se on | August 10, 2014, 3:12 GMT

    Just see what is missing from the 1st two tests to the last two tests. Yes, it's Ishant Sharma and Stuart Binny. Bring back Binny! Bring back Binny!

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 2:42 GMT

    Ultimate thing is no Dhoni or Not any captain can do anything,If the team will not performing.But picking a good team is a major issue for india.So I think Naman should be in the team.Picking Gambhir is totally a bad choice.He picked only on behalf of experience even in last Ranji 35 more players r there who have scored more than Gambhir.Let Pankaj be out.So All the best for next test and play with a positive mindset.We can win it.

  • POSTED BY wapuser on | August 10, 2014, 2:24 GMT

    As india have lost this test by disaster with innings.I will told the selectors pls choose right team .My team for 5th test rohit.vijay.pujara.rahane.naman.dhoni .binny.aahwin.bhuvi.ishwar.aron .team should have 5 bowler 1or 2 part time bolwer.Dropkohli.gambhir.dhawan.jadeja.pankaj.Then india can level the series.let see from this team any change in india luck

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | August 10, 2014, 2:05 GMT

    Let's play 'team India' not 'team Dhoni', biazzare selections of Jadeja, Pankej and Gambhir in the side. Foolish selections led to a fair result in the end. The question must be asked can Dhoni justify his own position in the team?

  • POSTED BY LillianThomson on | August 10, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    The only time India or Pakistan ever did consistently well in alien conditions was Pakistan from 1982-1996.

    The reason was simple: Imran Khan had learned the value of long tours to acclimatise, with several First Class matches before the First Test and at least one between every Test.

    Modern tours allow insufficient acclimatisation to foreign pitches and don't allow fringe players match time between Tests. The consequence of this is that Virat Kohli is not as good in England or Australia as someone like Ijaz Ahmed, who was a manifestly less talented batsman but who got the chance to develop his game in foreign conditions.

    Either the BCCI and PCB revert to traditional tour schedules or their teams will continue to fail overseas.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 10, 2014, 1:53 GMT

    Come on, no one plans to play badly. These guys have already achieved so much in their lives which other mortals can only dream of. They have won the World Cup, championship trophy and been no.1 I tests too. By comparison England have none. So let's stop comparing. And, even with sachin and lax man we lost 4-0 last time. The score is only 2-1 now with a good chance to make it 2-2. Opening is indeed weak, in which case we can push pujara to the top. Hopefully if Ishant is fit we can bounce them out again. We broke somebody's nose and we can give it back. Virat will make a fighting innings, just a matter if time. Keep faith, if we do not support who will. We are blessed to have such an articulate captain, let's enjoy while it lasts.

  • POSTED BY wake_up_india on | August 10, 2014, 1:39 GMT

    This Indian team doesn't know how to deal with fast swing bowling, which is as alien to them as baseball. Some are seeing it for the first time in their lives. What else would you expect? The result is therefore not an accident but one that will repeat every time Test Matches are plaid outside the subcontinent, unless certain systemic changes are made in Indian cricket, such as dismantling IPL and/or building fast pitches in India. Some examples of shots missing from the arsenal of top order Indian batsmen were horizontal-bat shots (Aussies play these shots a lot) and cuts/slashes that send the flying ball over the slip cordon, as would flow freely from the blades of Sehwag and Tendulkar (when both were in peak form). Above all, the team appear to lack fighting spirit, especially the top order, who looked cowed down and appeared to be waiting nervously for their inevitable dismissal, which came soon to relieve them of their misery. What a gutless performance!

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 1:34 GMT

    Dhoni is the worst captain India ever had but also the luckiest one to win so many games. He had the best players available to him. His team selection, his batting order, his bowling changes, his field placements all disappoint me. The classic example is his inability to win in New Zealand.

    I will not pick Kohli to replace Dhoni as captain because under his leadership RCB never made it to the playoffs. Gambhir would be better than him. But, alas, Gambhir looks ready for retirement. The tragedy is nobody has a secure place in the team to take the leadership role. Bringing back Sehwag may not be a bad idea both as an opener and as the captain. At least when he clicks, he demolishes the opposition.

    If India is looking to build the team beyond two to three years then they should pick someone who just came out of U19 team.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 1:31 GMT

    I really believe that Indian cricket just does not have the desire to excel. Win a match here and there...and they act as if they have already won the series. EVERY series, it's the same bowlers who fail us, the same fielding lapses at the worst moment and the same failings on fast pitches. Since the last few years, India has been generating 75% of the revenue and so, can spend a lot on developing resources. However, the president is friends with the captain, who has his favorites in the team and there are no replacements because whatever free time the team gets is spent playing IPL and meaningless ODIs. Its about the money....

  • POSTED BY SeanB on | August 10, 2014, 1:31 GMT

    As long as selectors pick players based on popularity and not based on form and performance, such results are inevitable. I assumed after some retirements that this would stop - still happening. Why is Jadeja in the team - Bhuvi has scored more than him and he has not taken wickets - is he a bowler or a batsman? Why is Kholi in the team? Dropped catches more than scoring runs. England were barely good, but are made to look like Waugh's Australia.

  • POSTED BY challagalla on | August 10, 2014, 1:19 GMT

    Nice article Sidharth. Dhoni's defensive mindset is costing India dearly. We lost these two tests comprehensively and it hurts badly when a spinner bowls you out. Moeen Ali is no Giles and Old Trafford is not Chidambaram stadium. Failure of the top order is mystifying and beyond me to understand it. All I can suppose is the batsmen are going through the horrors and maybe have some technical issues to sort out. One fact is crystal clear. India has lost the art of playing defensively for a draw. This is something we should learn from South Africa. Guys watch those videos of South Africa defending to glory and walking upright from yet another drawn test, honor's even , to battle another day.

  • POSTED BY Team_Sawan on | August 10, 2014, 1:00 GMT

    In hindsight Monga is pretty good. Yes Monga you cannot understand many things because you are just a journalist who can take 20 decisions and later conveniently recall only the ones which came correct. That flexibility is not available with the Indian captain.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | August 10, 2014, 0:43 GMT

    We can't change what has happened. But need to win the next game . Drop Gambhir, let Ashwin/Rahane open. Bring in Naman Ohja as wicket keeper batsman. Dhoni to play as batsman. Drop that pathetic Jadeja and bring in a fourth seamer, spinners are useless. Let vijay/ rohit bowl spin. They look like picking up wickets.

  • POSTED BY on | August 10, 2014, 0:42 GMT

    Pretty disappointing. But in every failure, we can learn, if we choose to. Few changes India can make - Ashwin is the best overseas opener India will get for a while. Use him there, Dhoni the skipper is too out of context in test cricket. He appears to choose people based on acquiescence to his culture and not on merit and horses for courses. - Everyone should be chosen on merit and not based on the brands they have been made out. Virat and Pujara are good products, but need to be sharpened for this kind of courses by making them play league matches in UK during rainy periods. Dhawan is a poor product in all forms, he should be forced out. Jadeja is a poor product for tests. Pankaj Singh has not enough pace, swing and variation which are vital to a pace bowler. Well, the list goes on..

  • POSTED BY Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on | August 10, 2014, 0:29 GMT

    Sid, I feel your pain. Just listening to Warne and Kapil Paaji should be enough to write a 1000 pages book on how Dhoni screwed India over the last 3-4 years in test match cricket. Dhoni captaining India in test matches, Dhoni keeping wickets for India in any format are the tightest slaps on the faces of Indian fans. Waiting for Sanju, Umesh, Sandeep Sharma, Ojha and Amit Mishra. An abject strategy from team selection to bowling changes to field placements. Worse still, some matches are lost even before they began. Thanks to the horrendous team selections again and again and again....... Nuff said!!

  • POSTED BY spinkingKK on | August 10, 2014, 0:19 GMT

    By all fairness, India is a young team and it is in it's rebuilding phase. The problem is, Indian team management never makes bold decisions in the playing 11. It was time to drop Pujara for the in-form Naman Ojha in this match and give clear signal to Kohli in the process. It turned out to be bad decision to drop Dhawan. At least, he was a match winner when he gets going. Mohammed Shami was persisted with for one extra test match. It is inexplicable that Aaron didn't get a chance before the 4th test. If Ishant Sharma was fit, Aaron wouldn't have even got this chance. India is lacking match winners in both bowling and batting departments. Bring back Shikar Dhawan, Rohit Sharma, Irfan Pathan, Mishra, U.Yadav, N.Ojha, Samson in to the team. Pack the team with wicket-keepers if they are the best batsmen you can find. Having said this, it appears India is lacking quality players even in domestic. It looks like they are not picking the right kind of players in the club level.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 10, 2014, 0:09 GMT

    Good article by Sid Monga because it aptly states the frustration of the Indian cricket fans. The team is showing that Lords was merely an aberration. Should such results continue, they will drive away fans from the game.

  • POSTED BY Biggus on | August 9, 2014, 23:37 GMT

    "Australia will be taking note: give them quick pitches." I don't know how many times we have to say it but India will get the same pitches we serve up every year whatever the team, the same sort of stuff we've been preparing for a long, long time. It just so happens pitches in Australia ARE quick. Everybody knows that, it's no secret, and the fact that they'll be quick when India tours will be no 'plot' but a continuation of what they've always been.

  • POSTED BY thozar on | August 9, 2014, 23:32 GMT

    I agree, our performance has been disappointing. But except Dhoni and Ishant (who missed the last 2 tests), no other player in the squad has played test cricket in England before this series. We still won one test and drew another. We still have an excellent chance to win at the Oval as Ishant will return, Broad will miss, and Anderson may also miss. It is worth remembering that of all the bowlers in this series, despite all the hype and hoopla around Anderson and Broad, Bhuvi has the best average and strike rate. Anderson's career average just went below 30 while Bhuvi has an average of 28. After the same number of tests, I think Anderson may have averaged 82, hahaha. And Broad was hit for 6 sixes by Yuvraj, lol. Bhuvi is only 24 and he has done all this without express pace. Accuracy is more important than pace. In couple of years, I tip him to mature into one of the best seamers in the world. All those so-called fans who think India don't produce any good seamers, take a hike.

  • POSTED BY Sanj747 on | August 9, 2014, 23:32 GMT

    Nomal service has ben restored. India bring back a team and some of it's players who have been struggling back to form. A poor display away from home as usual. India will leave England again without a noteable series win abroad (the last was in 07 when England were beaten). Beating WIs in 2011 away does not count given how poor they are. Unfortunately things will not change with Indian cricket. Many issues camouflaged and swept under the carpet. Has Duncan Fletcher made a difference. On stats to date absolutely not. England have dominated India both in England and in India. Losses in SAF and NZ and now this performanc in ENG shows how poor India are. Not sure that Indian cricket cares about this given the way it is run and managed.

  • POSTED BY KeepitHonest on | August 9, 2014, 23:09 GMT

    I think, deep down inside, India doesn't care so much about test cricket anymore. ie. they don't have a burning desire to be at the top of test cricket in the post IPL era. Otherwise they would have a realistic working plan, strategy and infrastructure for all conditions. Instead, they are contented aiming to be number one in the one-day format, whipping a relatively tame white ball on dry pitches in flat conditions. BCCI should modify the compensation structure of the players to promote test cricket.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | August 9, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    Most of the rhetoric played out prior to this match came from India. The Anderson decision was going to galvanize them, give them an incentive to perform, so and so was about to step up, bowler A & B are ready to take a bag of wickets, the catching practice was perfect, no more dropped catches etc etc etc. Listen guys.. drop the mouth and start talking with your abilities. This team is a lot better than what was presented to us yesterday, that was pathetic. Ashwin aside, no fight, no willingness to tough it out & ready to turn the the other cheek. Poor form. Criciinfo please publish.

  • POSTED BY Al_Bundy1 on | August 9, 2014, 22:38 GMT

    It's time to drop Pujara and Kohli. They should be sidelined for some time so that they can swallow their pride and learn to play proper cricket. Select Naman Ojha as batsman. Jadeja is a bits and pieces player who is good only for T20. He should never be selected in a test squad. Give chance to Parvez Rasool or Akshar Patel.

  • POSTED BY here2rock on | August 9, 2014, 22:34 GMT

    First lets get rid of Dhoni in the side, he makes too many poor decisions off and on the field. He is not best batsman keeper in the side, let's give somebody else a try.

  • POSTED BY pvwadekar on | August 9, 2014, 22:28 GMT

    Kohli needs to go and get his game sorted out before the next over series .. he might be talented for T20 and ODI but at test level he is going to be found out.

  • POSTED BY Dhanno on | August 9, 2014, 22:23 GMT

    The biggest fallacy of these articles is the assumption that Indian captain (and by connection, the board) cares at all about the performance. After 8-0 drubbing he had the gall to say that 2007 WC exit was worse (a 2 game loss resulting in India's exit). Fact is even before ball was bowled for 4th test, Dhoni had presented excuses in terms of statements "this is 5 match test series and England has experience in that and we dont". He had termed Moen a good spinner and wanted his batsmen to attack him regardless of situation. This is a country where even Ranji players have tamed world class spinners (remember Shane vs Mumbai before Australia series?). Now the Test XI cannot face a bit-parts spinner in english conditions! Players like Ashwin, Jadeja and gambhir stay in team based on non-existent performance. End of the game brings no rebuke for losing Test by getting out inside a session. These articles will mean nothing until they call spade a spade and call out everyone for failures.

  • POSTED BY nach on | August 9, 2014, 22:23 GMT

    dhoni is following the same footsteps as ganguly. Refusing to quit test captaincy on his own is hurting India.Can't blame him solely for the defeat, but he does not deserve a place in test team based on merit. Final result will be 3-1 to england.

  • POSTED BY on | August 9, 2014, 22:23 GMT

    Dhoni has killed India as a test power. Look what he did in just 4 years for a team which was constantly ranked no.2 for many years.

    5-6 years back India had: Openers: Sehwag-Gambhir (can destroy any attack) Middle Order: Fab Four(Dravid, Laxman,Tendulkar, Ganguly)-- The Walls Wicket Keeper: MSD/Karthik -- Good Keepers Spinners:Harbhajan/Kumble/Ojha (Wicket Takers) Fast Bowlers: Zaks,R.P Singh, Pravin Kumar,Shreesanth, (Wicket takers with good swing, reverse swing and zaks and RP with speed also).

    Today due to MSD's Stubburness,lack of decisions needed for TEST captaincy,defensive captaincy, Biasing & destroying carriers of MSD captaincy rivals like Sehwag and favor to overrated pathetic players Current scenario is:

    Openers: Dhawan (Pathetic not even suitable for Test cricket), Murali (Inconsistent) Middle Order: T20 players Wicket Keeper: Pathetic Spinners:Sir Jadeja/Ashwin (More of part timers).Ojha? Fast Bowlers:Only Bhubeshwar is Gd. Slip Catching: Joke. Anyone can try his luck

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | August 9, 2014, 22:21 GMT

    Really disappointed with this meek surrender. India are a better unit than this, there must be some serious issues we are unaware of.

  • POSTED BY D.S.A on | August 9, 2014, 22:15 GMT

    India's next XI should be: 1. Murali Vijay, 2. Gautam Gambhir, 3. Cheteshwar Pujara, 4. Ajinkya Rahane, 5. Naman Ojha, 6. Mahendra Singh Dhoni, 7. Ravichandran Ashwin, 8. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 9. Varun Aaron, 10. Ishwar Pandey, 11. Pankaj Singh. Virat should be dropped due to gross non-performance, Ajinkya should be promoted, Naman and Ishwar deserve an overseas Test match to prove what they can do in Test match cricket.

  • POSTED BY Hardy1 on | August 9, 2014, 21:54 GMT

    Changes are clearly required for the last Test. Jadeja surely, surely cannot play after his awful series. Ishant's return will be much welcomed & I suppose he'll probably replace Pankaj.

    Unfortunately the batting's the main problem & there's no clear solution to that because for the most part they're proven good players that are just in awful form. Kohli's made runs in SA & NZ, Pujara in SA, Dhawan in NZ, Vijay in SA & here in England & Rahane in all 3.

    Realistically the only change would be to bring in Rohit instead of Virat & I'm not sure that would solve anything. Dhoni's captaincy has been extremely prohibitive & the slip catching awful. India have proven themselves a team incapable of seizing the correct moments. England to take the series 3-1.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 9, 2014, 21:52 GMT

    Brutal assessment but right on!

  • POSTED BY on | August 9, 2014, 21:31 GMT

    But Siddharth, guys like you don't raise a hair when Gautam is selected in the 17 for the tour. Now you are saying he is not fit his place. Was that not obvious? What did he do to earn his place back in the team? No one asked then. Look at Jadeja. He has played four matches on the trot. Oval is the place he should be playing. But he is going to be dropped for the right reason. Where is the thinking in team selection? Who is responsible for the selection? If Dhoni is getting the combination wrong who is over riding him to get things right? None. Kohli need s a break . But will he be given one.

  • POSTED BY xylo on | August 9, 2014, 21:11 GMT

    In my opinion, this side losing this series 0-4 and learning is way better than a team containing the likes of Sachin, VVS, Dravid, Sehwag, Gambhir and Zaheer losing 0-4 and there being no long term value in it.

  • POSTED BY Sidhant.Ma11pal on | August 9, 2014, 21:07 GMT

    It is difficult to explain the batting collapse especially the continuous failures of Pujara and Kohli. But, what is pretty clear to anyone who understands cricket is that MS Dhoni is a rubbish test captain. In 16 overseas tests, 12 defeats and the guy still has his captaincy is definitely appalling.

    His captaincy needs to go along with Duncan Fletcher. I sometimes wonder he needs to do to lose his job. We've been in a freefall since he has joined. I'd like some Indian to be the coach maybe Dravid or Bangar as the players need to be persisted; the leadership needs to be re-jigged.

    I think India is finding how difficult a long test series can be, especially one without much breaks in between.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | August 9, 2014, 21:02 GMT

    At the loss of 3rd test I had said that it was no surprise and perhaps we should expect more defeats for India. My prediction is proven right today and 5th test is going to be no different either.

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | August 9, 2014, 21:02 GMT

    At the loss of 3rd test I had said that it was no surprise and perhaps we should expect more defeats for India. My prediction is proven right today and 5th test is going to be no different either.

  • POSTED BY Sidhant.Ma11pal on | August 9, 2014, 21:07 GMT

    It is difficult to explain the batting collapse especially the continuous failures of Pujara and Kohli. But, what is pretty clear to anyone who understands cricket is that MS Dhoni is a rubbish test captain. In 16 overseas tests, 12 defeats and the guy still has his captaincy is definitely appalling.

    His captaincy needs to go along with Duncan Fletcher. I sometimes wonder he needs to do to lose his job. We've been in a freefall since he has joined. I'd like some Indian to be the coach maybe Dravid or Bangar as the players need to be persisted; the leadership needs to be re-jigged.

    I think India is finding how difficult a long test series can be, especially one without much breaks in between.

  • POSTED BY xylo on | August 9, 2014, 21:11 GMT

    In my opinion, this side losing this series 0-4 and learning is way better than a team containing the likes of Sachin, VVS, Dravid, Sehwag, Gambhir and Zaheer losing 0-4 and there being no long term value in it.

  • POSTED BY on | August 9, 2014, 21:31 GMT

    But Siddharth, guys like you don't raise a hair when Gautam is selected in the 17 for the tour. Now you are saying he is not fit his place. Was that not obvious? What did he do to earn his place back in the team? No one asked then. Look at Jadeja. He has played four matches on the trot. Oval is the place he should be playing. But he is going to be dropped for the right reason. Where is the thinking in team selection? Who is responsible for the selection? If Dhoni is getting the combination wrong who is over riding him to get things right? None. Kohli need s a break . But will he be given one.

  • POSTED BY android_user on | August 9, 2014, 21:52 GMT

    Brutal assessment but right on!

  • POSTED BY Hardy1 on | August 9, 2014, 21:54 GMT

    Changes are clearly required for the last Test. Jadeja surely, surely cannot play after his awful series. Ishant's return will be much welcomed & I suppose he'll probably replace Pankaj.

    Unfortunately the batting's the main problem & there's no clear solution to that because for the most part they're proven good players that are just in awful form. Kohli's made runs in SA & NZ, Pujara in SA, Dhawan in NZ, Vijay in SA & here in England & Rahane in all 3.

    Realistically the only change would be to bring in Rohit instead of Virat & I'm not sure that would solve anything. Dhoni's captaincy has been extremely prohibitive & the slip catching awful. India have proven themselves a team incapable of seizing the correct moments. England to take the series 3-1.

  • POSTED BY D.S.A on | August 9, 2014, 22:15 GMT

    India's next XI should be: 1. Murali Vijay, 2. Gautam Gambhir, 3. Cheteshwar Pujara, 4. Ajinkya Rahane, 5. Naman Ojha, 6. Mahendra Singh Dhoni, 7. Ravichandran Ashwin, 8. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 9. Varun Aaron, 10. Ishwar Pandey, 11. Pankaj Singh. Virat should be dropped due to gross non-performance, Ajinkya should be promoted, Naman and Ishwar deserve an overseas Test match to prove what they can do in Test match cricket.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | August 9, 2014, 22:21 GMT

    Really disappointed with this meek surrender. India are a better unit than this, there must be some serious issues we are unaware of.

  • POSTED BY on | August 9, 2014, 22:23 GMT

    Dhoni has killed India as a test power. Look what he did in just 4 years for a team which was constantly ranked no.2 for many years.

    5-6 years back India had: Openers: Sehwag-Gambhir (can destroy any attack) Middle Order: Fab Four(Dravid, Laxman,Tendulkar, Ganguly)-- The Walls Wicket Keeper: MSD/Karthik -- Good Keepers Spinners:Harbhajan/Kumble/Ojha (Wicket Takers) Fast Bowlers: Zaks,R.P Singh, Pravin Kumar,Shreesanth, (Wicket takers with good swing, reverse swing and zaks and RP with speed also).

    Today due to MSD's Stubburness,lack of decisions needed for TEST captaincy,defensive captaincy, Biasing & destroying carriers of MSD captaincy rivals like Sehwag and favor to overrated pathetic players Current scenario is:

    Openers: Dhawan (Pathetic not even suitable for Test cricket), Murali (Inconsistent) Middle Order: T20 players Wicket Keeper: Pathetic Spinners:Sir Jadeja/Ashwin (More of part timers).Ojha? Fast Bowlers:Only Bhubeshwar is Gd. Slip Catching: Joke. Anyone can try his luck

  • POSTED BY nach on | August 9, 2014, 22:23 GMT

    dhoni is following the same footsteps as ganguly. Refusing to quit test captaincy on his own is hurting India.Can't blame him solely for the defeat, but he does not deserve a place in test team based on merit. Final result will be 3-1 to england.