England v India, 5th Investec Test, The Oval, 3rd day

India befuddled as England complete humiliation

The Report by David Hopps

August 17, 2014

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England 486 (Root 149, Cook 79, Ballance 64) beat India 148 (Dhoni 82, Woakes 3-30) and 94 (Jordan 4-18) by an innings and 244 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Highlights - India crumble for 94

India might have been transported to another world, a world so unfamiliar that their senses were befuddled, their physical prowess lost, their lifetime's knowledge entirely inadequate. One by one their batsmen came and went as they underwent the third heaviest Test defeat in their history.

This is an Indian side built on immense wealth and hubris, which has become used to a feeling of power, which has come to view its early history as an aberration, yet they were poverty stricken against an England side once again relishing perfect swing and seam bowling conditions.

India batted as if they had no sense of time and place, but for the record on August 17, 2014, in south London, they foundered to 94 all out in only 29.2 overs. Against the same England side that was beaten by Sri Lanka in a two-Test series in May, India have insisted on five Tests crammed into six weeks and once the series turned they had no respite.

Less than four weeks ago, India secured an historic win at Lord's to go 1-0 up in the Investec series. They have since been trounced three times: by 266 runs at the Ageas Bowl, by an innings and 54 on a relatively quick pitch at Old Trafford, and now by an innings and 244 runs.

England's 3-1 series win was secured in a quite remarkable transformation. When it was indicated that Alastair Cook was a captain under pressure, it was clear that the media meant MS Dhoni; when the coaching influence of Peter Moores was questioned, obviously what should have been written was Duncan Fletcher. "We were laughing about it," Cook said. "Everything we planned went perfectly."

Not since 1977 have India been dismissed for less than 200 five times in succession. Since they made 178 in the second innings in Southampton, they have been dismantled for 152, 161, 148 and, finally, for 94 by an England attack that, as well it has bowled, must have viewed the disintegration as barely credible.

There were so many images that India will not want to recall, but their misery was encapsulated in the last act of the morning session when Gautam Gambhir, his Test career perhaps at an end, jogged off the outfield at The Oval in pouring rain seconds after pointlessly running himself out.

Gambhir, sent back by Cheteshwar Pujara after envisaging a suicidal single to short midwicket, was beaten by Chris Woakes' direct hit, the last act in a short pre-lunch session of 6.1 overs which also saw India lose M Vijay, their staunchest batsman in the series, lbw to a lavish inswinger from James Anderson.

The rain relented to allow a restart at 2.30pm; by 4.30pm all that was left was the rigmarole of a presentation ceremony - a ceremony in which India had to watch Anderson, their bête noire, collect the Man of the Series award. India now have a week to regroup, or merely to measure out their life with coffee spoons as TS Eliot had it, before an ODI series in which they will still regard themselves as favourites, although such is their large turnover between Test and ODI squads that about half the squad are heading home.

In good times, Pujara and Virat Kohli have the talent and patience to bat for days. At The Oval, they could have fallen to virtually any ball. Pujara's hands were strikingly low for such conditions to combat the rising ball; Kohli has looked fallible outside off stump throughout the series, a series in which India's gilded young batsman has made 134 runs at 13.4. He has the talent to conquer English conditions, but this failure will sit heavily on him.

For six overs, Pujara and Kohli resisted, their stand of 21 the highest of the innings. Then Pujara pushed gravely forward at an outswinger, almost as if bowed in prayer, and edged to the keeper. Surprisingly, considering the mayhem that followed, it was Anderson's last wicket, leaving him three behind Ian Botham's England record of 383 Test wickets and no Test to make up the shortfall until the Caribbean next April.

Broad and Anderson bowled beautifully, Broad picking up Ajinkya Rahane five overs later. Gary Ballance's brilliant diving catch at third slip, springing to his left to rescue a chance that might easily have fallen short, exemplified another gulf between the sides: India's close catching had become increasingly atrocious.

That India's candle was burning as if in pure oxygen was apparent when Dhoni followed in the next over, a push off his hip against a back-of-a-length delivery from Chris Woakes that was snaffled by Sam Robson at short leg. Cook, who has become more prone to attacking fields as England's superiority has become apparent, must now reflect that they are rather fun.

And so, with India's minds mangled, it went on. Of their last five wickets, four fell to Chris Jordan, the best of them his first as Kohli edged a fullish outswinger to Cook at first slip. Would such a celebrated player request a period in county cricket to address his failings?

Jordan followed up with two wickets in an over. There was a rebound catch for Ian Bell, knocked on by Ballance, to dismiss R Ashwin; a wanton drive by Bhuvneshwar Kumar, India's Man of the Series, impressive at times with bat and ball, but ultimately brought to his knees.

Moeen Ali has bowled just one over in this Test, but India invited him to the party, firstly courtesy of Varun Aaron's run out attempting a non-existent second run (the throw did not even have to hit direct from long leg) and, finally, a simple catch at silly point at Ishant jabbed blindly at a short one.

England's lap of honour was sedate, a Sunday stroll - an appropriate pace because that is what their victory had been.

India's embarrassment began with the ball as England racked up 101 runs in 11.3 overs to extend their first-innings lead to 338. Root, who had overnighted on 92, finished unbeaten on 149 from only 163 balls, his last 100 runs taking only 70 balls, evidence of how keenly he had wrested the initiative on Saturday evening.

Ishant bowled him on 110 only for replays to show he had overstepped; a succession of no balls on the second day by Ishant passed unnoticed. It is a rum system that only checks no balls when somebody takes a wicket, a nonsensical policy that has seeped into international cricket without any proper public discourse.

Broad, in his last Test appearance as England's cricketing Goth, protected his black eyes and broken nose with a new helmet. India's predictable short-ball strategy had about as much intensity as a school ballet practice. Aaron, whose bouncer hit Broad at Old Trafford, had the field for the short ball, but not the inclination. When Ishant fired in bouncers, they took off around 80mph.

Broad, even more gung ho than normal, struck 37 from 21 deliveries and when he was dismissed, gloving a short ball from Ishant, he should not have been as his bottom hand had been withdrawn from the bat. "This match could end today," someone said. You did not need a degree in psychology to predict that.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by Vydyula_RK on (August 22, 2014, 18:20 GMT)

India should play 6 batsmen 1 keeper and 4 specialist bowlers. We dont need allrounders to win a test match.

Posted by Cricsnake on (August 21, 2014, 15:10 GMT)

Team India should forget everything now. Past is past & work hard towards the future. Now its time for the ODI's where India could shine everywhere. The lessens learned from this test series would help them for the coming tour of Australia. Cheers & best of luck from SL.

Posted by sid103 on (August 20, 2014, 19:18 GMT)

A very poor performance by the indian team. 3 - 1 would have been more acceptable if they at least put up a good fight, India basically didn't compete at all in this test match and all matches since Southampton. I'm expecting a good recovery from the Indian team and I at least expect them to win the ODI series by a good margin.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 20, 2014, 19:16 GMT)

@ Sajithkumar on (August 18, 2014, 9:47 GMT) Not at all. Yes there were some poor decisions that went against India but there were also some that went against England. The difference is that the decisions that went for England were costly because the batsmen went on to score a load of runs. In the last test there were several decisions that England would have got on Indian batsmen - I think Rahane and Kohli were 2 - but neither went on to score many runs whereas Bell and co did. Also Shastri said that BCCI's main issue with DRS (which let's face it was thee only reason it was not used) was the predicted path of the ball for LBWs so Bell's decision would not have been reversed. So yes the situation could have been different - just like it could have been different if MSD bowled first in the previous test. We'll never know. Facts are that Eng made the most of things that went there way and India did not

Posted by JG2704 on (August 20, 2014, 19:14 GMT)

@thozar on (August 18, 2014, 17:19 GMT) It is reckoned that Fletcher laid many of the foundations which Flower then took on to take England (albeit briefly) to number 1. I'm pretty sure I read about another overseas coach who left his post or was relieved of his post and during his tenure I read that the Indian players practiced what they wanted to practice rather than what they needed to practice. I'm reading comms about their work ethic etc and players/coaches can have all the talent in the world but if the coach is unable to put across his methods and the players are unwilling to do what the coach asks of them then it's not going to get any better. Your comms re "Even the most optimistic England fan will agree that Eng had the rub of the green in India" (even if true) maybe sum up the probs with the attitude towards addressing the teams problems. If Fletcher is sacked then I'm sure you'll find other excuses for losing other than saying we're not good enough.

Posted by harshthakor on (August 20, 2014, 11:18 GMT)

One of the most important factors of England's gains and India's losses was the consolidation of advantages or comebacks.At Old Trafford and at the Oval India had come back at junctures in the 1st innings getting inroads into the English batting,like at Trent Bridge.Sadly it just could not hit the nails into the coffin.

England were lifted by correct guidance at the technical and motivation level.With India it was the inverse with no former cricketers or coaches giving appropriate advice on adapting to the English conditions with the ball moving in the air.

The series also proves the legitimacy of 5 test series and how 2 test or 3 test series can never give an accurate assesment of the team's strengths.India simply became burnt boats towards the end.The true strength of a team is assesed in how it improves it's game or domination of opponents towards the end like England.

India's performances in defeats were more praiseworthy in 1979,1982,1990 and 1996 losing only the 1st test.

Posted by   on (August 20, 2014, 10:05 GMT)

Are you sure India insisted on 5 tests?

Posted by   on (August 19, 2014, 13:01 GMT)

Indian team, Tigers in home, rats in abroad!

Posted by tcarlos on (August 19, 2014, 10:14 GMT)

@fguy.. u do not watch test cricket coz u r country is performing well ;)... we all love test cricket coz test cricket creates real cricketers. not half blunders like ipl ppl..

Posted by tcarlos on (August 19, 2014, 9:29 GMT)

@ fguy ... make 5 day test reduce to 3 days.. by MSD.. fguy.. do u feel happy and amazed by this dhoni statement....

Posted by TheOnlyEmperor on (August 19, 2014, 5:20 GMT)

Winning is a PLANNED outcome and happens when the players exhibit CONSISTENCY, improve physical fitness against BENCHMARKS, show ZERO tolerance to losing, have a GAME PLAN, perfect their SKILLS ( catching, diving, running between the wickets, swinging the ball, bowling above 140kph, maintaining line and length discipline, rotating the strike, avoiding premeditated strokes, learning to face the moving ball, maintaining your cool against sledging) and staying away from offield and onfield distractions ( the chains around the neck of all Indian players). Develop the attitude of an Olympian focused on winning an individual gold medal. Train, train and train. Remember, you play for the country and you are well looked after monetarily!

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 22:26 GMT)

I have a feeling that soon they'll stop winning home test match series also against top opponents. Where are quality spinners now? Batters won't play against fast as well as spin bowlers. If other aspects ( dropping catches, e. g. ) remain the same, there could be more drawn series and lost interests. It would be upto the fans then to choose enjoying limited overs ( in real sense ) cricket or test cricket.

Posted by Nampally on (August 18, 2014, 20:49 GMT)

Indian Cricket team suffered one of the worst defeats ever! It was humiliating for Indian fans with 2 back to back innings defeat to an struggling England. England was virtually written off after their defeat at the Lords. But woefully wrong approach, Selection of XI & blundering captaincy of Dhoni gave England not only their foot on the ground but real whipping that they handed to Dhoni & India. A more capable & aggressive Captain than Dhoni would have ridden on the Lords Win to apply strangle hold on England in the third test at Southampton. The same team as at Lords but with Aaron & Ashwin in for Ishant & jadeja would have done the job. That was the real turning point of this tour. Captaincy & tactics are crucial to push the advantage in your favour. Dhoni & jadeja were too pre occupied in trying to get Anderson out of the line up instead of focussing on the Win in the Third test. A Captain should never place individual's interests above that of the Team. Dhoni must Resign ASAP!

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 20:25 GMT)

Indian Test Cricket team is nothing they got 0 value. They do'nt know how to play Cricket test match. In oval they all out for 94. This is worst defeat in history. Gautam Gambhir, Ravindra Jadeja, Rohit Sharma, Shakher Dhavan and Binney, they are one dayplayer, they should not play Indian Cricket test matcch. Look Sri lanka team, they can win in England but why we unable to win here?

Posted by fguy on (August 18, 2014, 19:48 GMT)

"Don't be so jealous of IPL" - MS Dhoni

i love this reply by msd. brilliant.

he shuld've also asked how did england lose 0-5 to aus in that case especially when they consider test cricket so sacrosanct & dont play any ipl. at least ipl helped us win the WC.

Posted by howzat86 on (August 18, 2014, 19:45 GMT)

First of all i would like to say well done to England for winning this test series quite convincingly their batting was pretty good bowling was well back up and fielding was pretty good as well although i wouldn't say their are the finishing article just yet but for now enjoy your victory. India were just simply shambolic they had no fight disinterested and their spin bowling options are pretty poor to be honest also the batsman don't know how to occupy the crease and instead give their wickets away rather cheaply but to be honest India is no longer the force in world cricket.

Posted by fguy on (August 18, 2014, 18:52 GMT)

@TheBigBoodha the number of comments doesnt indicate health of game. many ppl here are those that havent watched an over of the series but are here to gloat because the "big, bad india" has failed miserably. look at the average number of comments on other test series articles or even on the less high profile india series

@YorkshirePudding odi/t20s are shown on tv too but that doesnt stop ppl from attending.

admittedly i dont have any empirical proof but anecdotally at least in india the interest in test cricket amongst the younger generation is dwindling quickly. many newspapers havent even sent reporters & are using agency reports. many people have given up cricket completely. i personally know few disgusted avid fans who've stopped watching from last year, others from this oval test onwards. i myself was going to stop after sachin's retirement (primarily for time factor) but didnt. i now will be revisiting the decision. wouldnt be surprised to see india go the WI way soon.

Posted by JJJake on (August 18, 2014, 18:46 GMT)

India are all talk with no substance. At home they are average at best. Australia has won four test series in India. India has Never won a test series in Australia. England has also won test series in India.

Posted by harshthakor on (August 18, 2014, 17:47 GMT)

Sadly what should have been a test series with the intensity of a great boxing bout ended in a most one sided manner.A hard fought series irrespective of the result would have been a victory for test cricket.The behaviour of Jimy Anderson went against the best traditions of Englishman who played the game like gentleman.The same nation that founded the glorious game of cricket defended his unruly behaviour.I can't imagine such behaviour in the days of Peter May,Colin Cowdrey or even Mike Brealey or Gatting.It is killing cricket as a sport.No doubt Anderson bowled with remarkable guile exhibiting outstanding movement and control on our outside the movement,eclipsing even Dale Steyn in terms of craft with the moving ball.Ironic that we lost Ishant Sharma in crucial junctures when debatably Anderson could have been banned.I must also complement Stuart Broad,as well as Joe Root's batting.

Anyway Congratulations England for your revival and may you keep up your progress .

Posted by harshthakor on (August 18, 2014, 17:36 GMT)

Inxeperience was the crux of India's humiliating defeat in the end.The Indian batsmen failed to make the appropriate technical adjustments and Virat Kohli's loss of form played a vital role.The batsmen executed strokes in accordance to the flat Indian tracks and failed to understand the deceptive nature of seaming tracks .Murli Vijay and Ajinkya Rahane played some truly outstanding innings in the most difficult conditions while Bhuvaneshwar Kumar's all-round cricketing performance eclipsed those of Imran or Botham in the 1st 2 matches of a series.It was England's game -plan that assesed the weaknesses of the oposition scientifically and it never let the likes of Rahane,Murli Vijay or Bhuvaneshwar Kumar come back against them.Ishant Sharma's loss and Bell and Balance both being wrongly given not out proved crucial at Southampton,but neverthless England were deserved winners.

I think our boys required correct guidance on technical issues and Dhoni's captaincy was mechanical.

Posted by harshthakor on (August 18, 2014, 17:26 GMT)

It is no shame in losing a series but the manner in which it was lost was humiliating.If India had gone down by 7 wickets or 120 runs it would have lost with respect.However the margin of defeat made the last test a and the latter part of the previous 2 a total farce..After 2 hard -fought tests the series just lost it's competitiveness.I give England full marks for bouncing back in such a spectacular manner like wounded tigers and they proved the importance of correct mental attitude.India were the victim of some dubious decisions in the 3rd test at Manchester where Ian Bell who went on to score 168 was given not out after being clearly trapped and even Balance had an inside edge when scoring 68.India were really foolish to reject the DRS.India were jaded in the end and the series proves that only a 5 test series is the true test.Imagine India would have drawn a 3 test series and won a 2 match series like Sri Lanka did against the same team.

Posted by thozar on (August 18, 2014, 17:19 GMT)

@JG2704, ever since Fletcher took over as coach our performance has not been very good. We got one series win in West Indies and then we have lost a lot. We even lost a test series at home to you guys. The team is good. We have lot of good players. In terms of talent no other country even comes close. But the players have not been managed properly. Main reason is Duncan. Once we sack him and get a good coach you will see improvement in performances. I am not saying we will beat every team everywhere but we will win more than we lose. At home we are and will remain unbeatable. Even so-called best teams like Oz and Saf have lost badly in India. Look what we did to Oz last year. Even the most optimistic England fan will agree that Eng had the rub of the green in India. I am not saying your team played badly but you won mainly because of Cook and KP. The rest of your batting was clueless when facing our spinners.

Posted by Silverbails on (August 18, 2014, 17:14 GMT)

Congrats to England. As predicted, over in 3 days for a 3 - 1 victory. They can celebrate long and hard for such a victory, against such a pathetic team. There won't be too many days like that in the usually hard - fought world of Test cricket. Perhaps the BCCI should now organise for the Indian Ladies' team to come in and play against the England Men's team. Give England a run for their money! The Indian team are only flat - track bullies, a fact now confirmed!! RIP Indian Test cricket. This is complete and utter HUMILIATION. The third - heaviest defeat EVER in their Test - playing history must say something. This may be the end of Gambhir's Test career. And, I hope that the BCCI replaces the forever - defensive Dhoni with a fresh new Test captain, preferably someone who can play in 'foreign' Test conditions - ie NOT Kohli, for now. Now, onto the pointless money - making ODI's and T20. I, for one, won't be bothering to watch...more important things to do with my time...

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 17:12 GMT)

Now Bangladesh can demand more tests snatching away from India! Bangladesh should be given 5 match test series tests and India should play 2 match series and only 2/3 series in a year like Bangladesh to avoid more humiliation..... :)

Posted by KrikIndFan on (August 18, 2014, 16:32 GMT)

To summarize all on why India lost, Dhoni lost his midas touch, Pujara lost his talent, Kohli lost his form, M Vijay lost his confidence, Dhawan lost his luck, Ashwin lost his turn, Bhuvi lost his strength, Ishant lost his bounce, Aaron/Pankaj lost their pace, Jadeja lost his spin, Gambhir lost everything and above all Duncan Fletcher lost his "how to coach" book. All packed in a giant bag found by England after their lost at Lords and the rest is history.

Posted by bee-eer on (August 18, 2014, 16:18 GMT)

To all the Indian supporters all over the world this series has been as embarrassing and humiliating as England's performance in Australia in the winter. England's answer was to drop players who were not performing or were in the team just out of habit and for past achievements. There was also some natural wastage too. But the captain remained though and MSD should too. He could only use the team placed at his disposal and if they were not up to the job it is not really his fault. True he made some weird captaincy decisions but this was part of the mental disintegration the whole team were going through. I also reckon that the Jadeja/Anderson affair affected the team a lot more than we know.

Posted by ravi-1967 on (August 18, 2014, 15:56 GMT)

Some numbers of the last 5 innings played by India during this tour.

Total runs score - 733 (Average per innings 146 +) Total overs played - 247 Approx (Average per innings 49 Approx)

The Indians did not even bat 8 sessions in the last 5 innings ie they just lasted 1.6 sessions per innings)

Says a lot about this team. Pathetic, worse , misfits to represent the country. They should all call it a day. This wound would take a long time to heal for all of us who have been fans. In my opinion it is a waste of time to follow the cricketing exploits of this team.

Dhoni should go and so should some key players like Dhawan, Gambhir, Rohit.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 15:46 GMT)

I believe that Coach Fletcher should be sacked and captaincy should be removed from Dhoni . Dhoni has failed to exercise his captaincy He has never been a good captain and vastly over-paid Fletcher has coached the team how to lose disgracefully against England

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

Regardless of how much we complain about or sing praises of Dhoni, the series loss is really a failure on the part of Kohli, Pujara and Dhawan. The bowlers did their fair share. The batsmen simply could not live up to the challenge. It's not fair to compare them to Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag and Laxman. When it comes to test cricket, none of them is even a Siddhu yet. We need to persist with them and groom them, but quickly. Also worth noting is that there is no senior batsman in the side around whom the youngsters can revolve. For example, when the Australian team was rebuilding under Ricky Ponting, they still had Hussey and Hayden. Given that the probable options are Gambhir and Sehwag, who wouldn't be a wise choice, it has to be Dhoni. So, one answer would be that Dhoni hands over the wicket-keeping gloves to Saha or Samson, and play as a specialist middle-order batsman. The relief from wicket-keeping duties on the field might just bring forth his better qualities as a test captain.

Posted by Seamer_Singh on (August 18, 2014, 14:57 GMT)

@USA_Res on (August 18, 2014, 13:24 GMT) The first test was a draw mainly due to a lifeless pitch. The 2nd test is when the Ishant 'bounced' Eng out, it wasn't lucky, just poor shot selection from the Eng boys and some of them learnt from it. From what I saw in the following test matches India tried the short ball method and it worked in some cases Ali, Cook, Broad etc.. got out to the short delivery at some point or led to a dismissal as the result of chin music. Root just avoided playing the short ball altogether and fair play to him. Preparation is the key, which India showed lack of, (prior and during) and reflected onto the field. Had India taken the catches at critical points, the result at the Ageas Bowl may have been different.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 14:25 GMT)

few things for serious consideration. 1. dont ask shewag to return as test opener. you called for gambir after match no 3. and see the results. any retired player will be the same. shewag is not the answer to openers position. 2. dont called for msd's head. he was the best fighting batsmen in the series. have issue with his keeping . infact entire team had issues in fielding. if dhoni can be a specialist batsman it may help him to focus more on his game as the captain. further may help on batting similar to sanga's batting improvement after giving io keeping. 3. bring in sanju samson as the keeper. 4. find a technically correct batsman for the opening slot. dhawan's techniques will challaged in seaming and bowncing conditions. this not going to help in the wc 2015. 5.mentoring the quicks is a must. got good set of bowlers and needs to be look after really welll like chaminda vass is doing with sri lankan young bowlers.

Posted by thinkgood on (August 18, 2014, 14:17 GMT)

When the SENIORS visited ENG in 2011 they were clearly HUMILIATED . I would NOT tag this defeat as humiliation . Its a lesson for the youngsters to learn about English conditions and more importantly not to take anything for granted such as coach , pitch, opposition and captain and think they would steer them thru any and all hurdles. They are on their own in the middle at the pitch. Its a rite of passage for the Indian boys and NOT humiliation. They can bounce back from this IF they learn from it and mature up to become better cricketers.

Posted by USA_Res on (August 18, 2014, 14:10 GMT)

@Galdiator22: "...A quick 50 runs inside the 1st 15 overs wouls have demolarised this english attack."

Of course this would depend on how may wickets you lost in the process.

This run-rate argument is at the root of India's problem. The purpose of the Opening Batsmen is to "...see off the New Ball", which means surviving for at least 25 overs, regardless of the number of runs scored. If they achieve this, then it really gives the middle order the opportunity to score runs.

When your 3, 4, 5 and 6 are coming in to face a ball which is less than 15-20 overs old, you really don't have much chance of scoring runs. The openers are MEANT to grind it out. The Middle Order scores the runs.

Posted by ratna007 on (August 18, 2014, 13:42 GMT)

Playing at flat pitches and scoring big Indian players feel they can sustain overseas too. Its the overconfidence of Dhoni that team was ready for series like this. Team selection was very rusty, good look to the pitch was missing, slippers were changed every session, no backup plan of breaking the partnerships if seamers were tired and how to attack Eng bowlers and plan to avoid making same mistakes. If Eng bowlers are getting wickets that means they are doing something which Indians were missing and same with batsman, where is that learning. Most of the innings India played that was the biggest problem. If the same situation continues there is no point playing Test - we are good with T20 and IPL.

Posted by USA_Res on (August 18, 2014, 13:24 GMT)

While the records will show that India got the win in the first test this year, they don't really record the fact that England only needed ~140 in two sessions, with 6 wickets standing, the true story story was another England collapse gave the game to India.

I heard the expression that "Ishant Sharma "bounced them out", and that it was some kind of strategy." Bull-crap. If that was the case, then wouldn't they have used the same "strategy" in the other test matches.??

Truth is, India were lucky to win the first test. On the up-side, it seems to have been the "kick in the butt" that the England team needed to start playing up to their potential.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 13:14 GMT)

An Old School Purge of the Indian Cricket Team was/is in order.

Pompous, privileged, under-performing douches need to get their cricket in order. They didn't deserve any victory never mind in Lord's. They can only scavenge victories when a team is not looking. They just are not good enough. In the international arena, they are barely better than any of the test playing nations never mind attempting to tackle England in England. They should probably go to Sri Lanka for their next nets session and learn some batting resilience and determination.

Before some fanboys come screaming, I would like to clarify that this is not a reactionary statement. I have strong cricketing credentials to back my cricketing critiques. Former Lancashire juniors and Durham University 2nd Cricket team. Dhoni should be relieved of his captaincy and the team should cut down on all international commitments until they can regroup, modify strategies and play a semblance of fighting cricket.

Posted by inyourbaffles on (August 18, 2014, 13:11 GMT)

@200ondebut: OUCH! Harsh but fair!

Posted by inyourbaffles on (August 18, 2014, 13:10 GMT)

@Kays789: You give no credit to England for the way they played in the last three tests. By inference England played the same and India just folded. An interesting take on events. Yes India were demoralised, but even Dhoni admitted that it was as a result of the relentless pressure applied by England who won the games with the ball, the bat and in the field. Assessment of the summer in chronological order?

1. England were initially terrible.

2. Sri Lanka were 100 runs and one wicket less than terrible.

3. India were poor and then got worse.

4. England improved beyond all measure, but still have a very long way to go.

5. A pretty poor performance all round and the only highlight for me is that the revamped England squad appears to be an improvement.

Posted by 200ondebut on (August 18, 2014, 12:58 GMT)

I dont think India should be too disappointed - they have just been beaten by a better side, playing as well as they can in conditions that suited them much better. These things happen - ask England!

Posted by Roshan_P on (August 18, 2014, 12:51 GMT)

England were great, but India was shocking. Obviously Gambhir has to go. Binny is India's best all-rounder. He's a decent batsman but does not provide much with the ball. I would be aggressive and play Yadav instead, as Ashwin and Bhuvi's batting should compensate for not having an all-rounder.

India need to stop choosing players base in ODIs and IPL, like they did with Gambhir. It needs to be based on Ranji Trophy achievements like with Pujara. Also it would benefit Pujara, Kohli, Vijay etc. to play in the English County Championship like Dravid and Tendulkar did, rather than the IPL. It could be time for Lokesh Rahul to have a go at opening. He was the second highest scorer in the Ranji Trophy last season and is a technically correct batsman apparently. This would be my Indian XI:

1) Vijay, 2) Rahul, 3) Pujara, 4) Kohli, 5) Rahane, 6) Dhoni, 7) Ashwin, 8) Bhuvi, 9) Sharma / Shami, 10) Aaron, 11) Yadav.

That is a very decent team there and one which I know will do well.

Posted by Kays789 on (August 18, 2014, 12:44 GMT)

JellyBeanYorker: What is lost in your comment is that only an abysmal performance like India's in the last 3 tests could fire up a down and out team like England and bring them back to form so spectacularly. Consecutive tests lost inside 3 days? A whole team unable to score more than 100? No semblance of fight or gumption? No, only a 'privileged' team like india could pull off a feat that grand.

Posted by USA_Res on (August 18, 2014, 12:44 GMT)

India's problem is that the IPL and too much short format cricket. They are no longer producing players with the endurance, grit and commitment that it takes to play a 5-day game. Batsmen are fixated with run-rates and bowlers are not prepared for 20-25 overs in a day.

India now has five ODI and one T20 against England. I suspect that my theory might be proved correct by India winning the ODI series and the T20. (Unless the Test Series has left them too demoralized.)

Posted by JG2704 on (August 18, 2014, 12:31 GMT)

Re the comms about Fletcher. My one issue with getting someone in - esp someone like Dravid - is that he has played with many of these players and may be wary of telling the players what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear. I'm not sure if I imagined this or not but I thought I read that a previous coach left the job after his hands were tied and I've just got the impression that the culture is about telling players what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear. We've had some comms re tests being of less significance etc and I'm not sure if that's due to results or because they think there genuinely is less significance. As I've put before I'm not sure the players mentally have what it takes for a long test series so you have 3options

1 - Keep going as you are and nothing will change

2 - Play shorter series which aren't so mentally taxing

3 - Address the issues with various measures

Posted by fairplay_cricket_fan on (August 18, 2014, 12:29 GMT)

Cricketing Gods have put it beyond doubt now. It is up to accept it or otherwise live in a dreamworld.

Th Big three in Cricket is Austalia, South Africa and Either England or Sri Lanka. The others who can at least have a claim to be in contention is New Zealand of late or Pakistan on a good day.

India is"Big" for Indians only. For others, they are a laughing stock.

Posted by inyourbaffles on (August 18, 2014, 12:20 GMT)

Something is being lost in the "India lost to England who were beaten by Sri Lanka" discussion. Arguably England were at their lowest in the early stages of the India series, but they were not much better against Sri Lanka, fielding essentially the same team. Let's not forget that against Sri Lanka one test was drawn and Sri Lanka won the second as a result of a mistake by James Anderson with two balls left. Had Anderson kept those two balls out Sri Lanka would have drawn with England; hardly a rout. That they are using this "series victory" to beat India over the head is nothing short of ridiculous. Had Sri Lanka come up against the England team that won the last three tests I suspect they would have been blow away too.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (August 18, 2014, 12:10 GMT)

@fguy, there are, as of the moment of this comment, 752 posts which suggest that test cricket still matters and is far from being "at its death bed". How many other sports can get a thousand-odd comments on a single article?

Test cricket remains the ultimate test of technique, stamina, intelligence, mental fortitude and mental application of all three formats - far and away. Some of us actually like the fact that it plays out over a long, long time.

Posted by nuka123 on (August 18, 2014, 12:00 GMT)

First thing is that if Dhoni knew that Bhuvi is tired, why did he included him in the playing XI? fresh legs like pandey could have been given a chance to prove himself, shami could have been brought back. When you know that some people are not playing well at certain positions then y repeating the same mistakes, Ashwin and Bhuvi could have been promoted to 4th and 5th and dhoni could have come at 1 down, who knows kohli, pujara and GG might have played better in the lower half. Utter disgraceful was the lack of energy and fight shown by the Indians. Bowling no balls was just inexplicable, what the bowling coach is doing? Dropping catches in tandem, what the fielding coach is doing? Dont know where the off stump was, what the batting coach was doing? And above all, dhoni looks tired, very tired, cant bend while keeping, cant judge the swirl, he is loosing his charisma and that midas touch day by day, Some changes has to be made to clean up INDIAN CRICKET

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (August 18, 2014, 11:53 GMT)

@fguy, outside of the subcontinent they are doing quite well, it all depend on whos playing, I for example would not dream of going to watch Bangladesh play, but always try and get tickets to either a WI, India, SA,NZ or Oz game.

You also have to consider that TV plays a big part in reducing attendances, why go to watch a game when you can sit In your own living room, and have a barbque after with friends, or pop round the local cricket club and watch it there.

Posted by fguy on (August 18, 2014, 11:25 GMT)

i dont care about the test series results bcoz tests are 19th century anyways & on its death bed (look at attendance figures around the world). my only issue with this result is that it should not affect our WC campaign. to that end i would suggest the following - (1) sack the fletcher-dawes-penney combine who have contributed zero. get in dravid/ganguly/bangar immmediately ie someone who know the domestic setup & cares for indian cricket beyond looking at it as a pay check. (2) identify the WC squad & rest all the players from all tests from now onwards. play a "A" team in the WI & Aus tests, no matter the result. this will also reward the players who have done well at domestic level. send dhoni, virat, bhuvi et al in nov/december to Aus not to play cricket but to practice for the WC in Aus conditions who cares about bilateral series results. tournaments are what matter so bcci should prioritise those.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 11:24 GMT)

Things won't change, The West Indies will be touring India next, Dhoni will be provided with his kind of pitches.India will beat West Indies 2-0.Dhoni will keep his home record intact and still be the captain. As long as we don't have a proactive active who has that flair for test cricket,things will remain the same.

Posted by tcarlos on (August 18, 2014, 11:17 GMT)

no matter what the arguments are.. indians, especially Kohli proved that they are flat track bullies. if i remind the older indian teams, who actually played very good cricket without any of those money power, made us love and attached to the indian team. but now its totally different..

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 11:16 GMT)

India shouldn't play test cricket anymore. Its better if they call Afghanistan,Nepal or even Brazil or Argentina to play on Indian soil and make themselves team no 1 in the ranking. Extreme T20, Money and power don't make a winning team. It can only makes a group like BIG 3 where the eldest brother is struggling on any foreign soil.Good Luck India. The way you have chosen now you are paying the price.

Posted by tcarlos on (August 18, 2014, 11:05 GMT)

@Sajithkumar oohhhh.. had india taken the DRS? what a joke... is it us who rejected drs? poor show from indian team as well as these bunch of statements....

Posted by S.Anand on (August 18, 2014, 10:54 GMT)

**continued** Young Indian team should practise how to field in the slip and bend down exercise should be given as a regular physical work out. Don't look for replacements with a small pool of people e.g if Dhawan is not in form, take Ghambir or if Ghambir is not in form take Dhawan. How ridiculous is this to call a replacement who is a walking and laughing wicket and gets out in the first ball. Don't call Virat and Ghambir as a future captains when their position as a team member is doubtful. Go for the talent where a guy enjoys his play as it is his passion and hunger to perform and win. Until BCCI finds a new test captain or Dhoni himself changes his attitude, Mithali Raj can be captain of our men's team and she will tell how to play cricket even without contract. If Indian team kept losing like this, the players should pay the money back to BCCI who in turn should use to work for the development of cricket. Don't recommend prestigious Indian government awards like Padma Bhushan.

Posted by S.Anand on (August 18, 2014, 10:51 GMT)

BCCI should do/instruct the following immediately to the Indian test team. Talk less and play more on the field Have spirit to fight till the end like the old Australian and West Indies teams Be ruthless right from the beginning. Don't be lethargic after winning 1 match Don't give loose talks before any tour Play in Foreign conditions well before the actual test match starts. Simulate foreign conditions in India in pitches like Dharmasala where there is extra movement in the air Avoid IPL and shorter format before any long test match series. Don't select teams for test matches based on IPL format. If you still want to consider, pick batsmen who have stayed long in the crease, scored 1run for every 3 balls and is part of losing IPL team. Have separate team for each format. Accept DRS. Have an Indian coach who played in English counties for batting, Pakistan coach for bowling and English coach for fielding.

Posted by madnayar on (August 18, 2014, 10:44 GMT)

One wonders when the present crop of pampered Indian batsmen will realise that test cricket is not just walking to the crease and swinging the bat. It requires skill , stamina and application to succeed in Test matches. If BCCI feel that the present team is the best they can muster, they should stop sending teams for overseas test tours at least for a few years .They should be content with India playing ODIs and T20s. We have to wait and see how team india fares in the ODIs.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 10:40 GMT)

@cavd....this is not an cricketing version of the English football team.......England last won the football world cup way back in 1966, and since then they have never won a single world cup tournament or even featured in a final, be it football or cricket, winning a bilateral series, playing the same ppl day in out, and at home is much easier than winning a world cup where you have to play consistently over a period of time and face different styles of opponents....bilateral series played in home conditions favoring the home side not necessarily show the true character of a side.....nevertheless these bunch IPL jokers, selected purely based on their IPL performances were hammered/humiliated by England, and could not win anything either on the field or off the field ( Anderson verdict)

Posted by Rajnish_aggarwal on (August 18, 2014, 10:35 GMT)

All batsmen looked like clone. Bring front foot half forward, locking backfoot movement and trying to counter swing with hands extended and chasing the out going balls. This technique has failed entire team. Only Dhoni batted with different technique and was able to survive. Indian batsmen could have taken a clue out of Dhoni's success and should have tried his technique to counter the swing but clones seemed to be mindless.India had a history of failing in the first two test and later on picking up and winning few test matches but here after leading 1-0 after 2 test matches India should have won the series. One rotten fruit in kohli helped in other fruits also rot. Coach was a duffer thing and all the experts in Gavaskars, Manjerekars and Shastris were not able to correct the faults and Indian pride was doomed.White flag flown by former Englnd captain shows that BCCI is a dead body. Penalty of 75% match fees of the team except for Ishant, B kumar, Dhoni and M. Vijay should be deducted

Posted by Iceman29 on (August 18, 2014, 10:00 GMT)

I think Dhoni and team trying to revamp and reduce the 5 day test match to 3 days thats why they are doing this..think Dhoni will have a reason for this too...his team is an in progress team, no luck this time, Rain should have come from the first day onwards blah blah...what a loser....

Posted by Sajithkumar on (August 18, 2014, 9:47 GMT)

The series is marred by poor umpiring that went for England all the time. Had India taken the DRS, the situation could have been different. But nothing takes away the spirit England showed after Lords. Alastair Cook must thank Jadega for the launching pad. Iam really angry the way Indian batsmen crumpled. No one gave them nor can they undeestand how to bat in swinging conditions. Here's the secret- Stay forward at least half a metere from the crease and move forward and backward at the time the bowler is about to deliver in a defensive way to unsettle the bowler ( None of the English bowlers are express quickies like the old West Indians to trouble you). This is a tactics used in ODI's and T20's. They can easily unsettle the English bowlers with that. No one showed a positive mind to attack the bowlers except Binny in the last innings but that was too late as wickets floundering from the other end----

Posted by justkiddin on (August 18, 2014, 9:44 GMT)

Please guys. Sack Dhoni from this test team. It is impossible to listen to this guy even during post match presentation.

Just heard this term TINA from commentators yesterday. TINA: There Is No Alternative.

Because TINA, Dhoni is our Test captain since 2011. It does not matter what the results are. Our Team can't even score 100 in Test Matches. Our fielding is miserable. Our captaincy is miserable.

After all of this, the captain does not even acknowledge that we played badly. Why can't this man take up responsibility for defeats and step down.

We need fresh thinking. In 2011 we lost because we had an old team In 2014 we are losing because we have a young team. In 2015 we will have a team which is niether young nor old. Still we will lose.

These guys don't believe they can win. And it starts from top.

Posted by Vilander on (August 18, 2014, 9:42 GMT)

India were very poor in the last two tests, but India were 1-0 at the end of 2 tests, Sl won series with that. India got several bad decisions in third Ballance,Cook,bell who all made 100 runs each, India did well but lost the 3rd game. Not all is lost, Bhuv is a good player, so is Aaron, Vijay, and U Yadav should come back, Dhoni should be replaced by Sanju Samson, Gambhir should play at 5 and captain the side. India will do well in Aus.

Posted by anver777 on (August 18, 2014, 9:41 GMT)

D & D (Dhoni & Duncan) combination is not working for IND.... how about bringing back Gary Kirsten, who did a superb job as Ind coach some time back !!!!

Posted by sam6e on (August 18, 2014, 9:38 GMT)

The difference between losing and surrendering is when you fight till last minute with all your ability but the opposition is better than you it is called losing and when you merely just go out knowing that come what may you are not going to win as you are not good enough then it is called surrendering which happened to Indian cricketers from third test onwards (sorry i can't call them Team India...coz in a team there is team work where in if one or two fails then others stand up)

Posted by CodandChips on (August 18, 2014, 9:37 GMT)

Wow. A series win. After Lord's this seamed far from likely.

It just shows how quickly momentum changes. That Jadeja drop of Cook has had a huge impact. Had Cook been out for 15, he'd have not scored that 95 which lifted the spirits of both him and the the team.

There will be tougher tests ahead, but it's nice to see England play well after the Sri Lanka series and the Lord's test. It also shows how important it is that most of the team performs. At the start of the test summer, the youngsters carried the team. Now the senior players have stepped up, England have played well.

There are still concerns. There will be tougher opposition to come. Secondly the batting of Robson Ali, though both have many months before the next series to work on these issues. Is Robson still allowed to play Australian domestic cricket? If so he should.

The support bowlers were much better though are still a concern.

The biggest issue is the schedule. Cricket every month next year. Ludicrous

Posted by sam6e on (August 18, 2014, 9:33 GMT)

Atlast i can say the Indian team which went to tour can neither bat, nor bowl or field..in short they are going on a cricket tour when they forgot the basics..dhoni after winning one day world cup thought he is the king of cricket but foreign tours made him realize what he actually is..must be repenting himself that why he hurried to end the careers of dravid, laxman n sachin

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 18, 2014, 9:30 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa on (August 17, 2014, 16:07 GMT), "Why is this a 5 Match Test series. We only got a 3 match series now teams like England and Australia get to boost their ranking points."

You're making a fool of yourself. It's not like SA wanted a 5-game series and England said "no". If SA are playing short series it's because their board have only arranged short series. As for rankings, they're based on percentages, not absolute numbers. A team that wins 5 and loses 5 will end up with the same ranking as a team that wins 10 and loses 10. If you want SA's ranking to improve then worry about losing 1-2 at home rather than playing 5-game series.

Posted by Jammynem on (August 18, 2014, 9:25 GMT)

I really don't think anyone would be surprised if, in the not too distant future, the BCCI just admitted that they really weren't interested in test cricket, and were no longer going to participate in the future tours program. This would be followed by the immediate expansion of the IPL, and requests to the major cricketing nations to play series' of 7,8,9 or even 10 ODI's. Pretty obvious they don't care a jot about tests. Massive shame because Kohli, Pujara and Rahane will never get the opportunity to be called greats of the game. Just great one day players, which is not really as good. What a disappointing end of Indian test cricket....

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 9:16 GMT)

Alarm bells have to be going off for India and they have to be deafening. That's 5 overseas test series losses in a row - all losses- not even a draw to space them out. The scary thing for this Indian team is who can the actually beat outside the subcontinent? England? Nope. Australia? Not a chance. South Africa? You must be joking. New Zealand? Even that would be very close. Maybe the West Indies? Perhaps, lthough there would be a lot of if, buts and maybes.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 18, 2014, 8:40 GMT)

@thozar on (August 17, 2014, 16:11 GMT) Agree that by doing this vs India doesn't mean we're suddenly great

However it may be time to look at the players and whole structure of Indian cricket before just conveniently having a go at Fletcher and the "We will come back strong" line seems a little hollow looking at India's recent away performances and they are not the impregnable force at home they used to be either. I wonder if Indian cricketers are cut out for 4/5 test series , in which case it may be an idea to just schedule 2 match series as they always seem to deteriorate throughout a series even if they start well. This doesn't address the issues but it may ensure more positive results. There are things they can try but I get the feeling there's huge player power going on and if a coach is going to make a difference he has to have a free reign and make players do thinggs out of their comfort zone

Posted by dganger on (August 18, 2014, 8:33 GMT)

RIP Indian cricket.....m shattered and humiliated being an ardent Indian fan. I dont know how to put it into words, what went wrong, whom to blame, what could be the reason. Its just one of those humiliation where silence creeps in, voice gets choked, eyes gets blurry. i hope this guys can move forward. And yes, Kohli and Pujara now knows whats failure is in International cricket, from invincible to ordinary mortals, hopefully they have learned few valuable lessons in life.

Posted by hghghghg on (August 18, 2014, 8:25 GMT)

this abject surrender by the indian team was very disheartening!we are generally very optimistic fans who will still cheer for their team but dispirited performances like this will extinguish that optimism!i feel dhoni doesnt respect the format of test cricket enough and that reflects on the whole team!he is better off leading his "stars" in odis tests were never made for him!there was nil amt of passion showed by the batsman to fight it out for their country.their attitude towards the game was very sad.the team looks good on paper but there are serious issues over the opening combo vijay shld retain his place but dhawan is an absolute no no dhoni got lucky that dhawan got a 187 in india but now he will realize he is absolutely not a long term option.his technique is too bad tht bad tht warne compared his defence to a tailenders!!our team cld do well from this thrashing cricket is a great leveller but these type of surrenders are just not what we expect a bit of fight is what we do.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 18, 2014, 8:24 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa on (August 17, 2014, 16:07 GMT) I reckon it's purely to give you something to whinge about which let's face it doesn't take much

Posted by JG2704 on (August 18, 2014, 8:23 GMT)

@dunger.bob on (August 18, 2014, 2:49 GMT) I reckon our friend AB was pretty clever. He swore he'd never come on here again if India didn't win the series. At the time I thought great and good on him for being true to his word but now I realise he was being clever and giving himself a reprieve from the comms pulling him on many of the things he said. He called himself a die hard but really he was the exact opposite as he got out as soon as he realised there was no way back rather than face the music. No doubt there will be some amnesia creeping in the next time India play a test series vs Eng or maybe even Australia. Regardless , I very rarely find that those who do the most "We will thrash you/this will happen" comms are the 1st to jump ship if things don't happen the way they say

Posted by haalithjr on (August 18, 2014, 8:19 GMT)

India have been evidencing time and again as who are real FLAT WICKET BULLIES…They all good only for T20 slogs…

As per Dhoni, his side is inexperienced but here is the list of number of match players played… Murali Vijay -27, Gautam Gambhir-56, Virat Kohli-29, Madhukar Rahane -10, Cheteshwar Pujara-24, MS Dhoni-88, Stuart Binny-3, Ravichandran Ashwin-21, Varun Aaron-3, Ishant Sharma-58, Bhuvneshwar Kumar-11. All of them played minimum 10 matches except Binny & Aron played only 3 matches. So how many more matches they want to gain experience.

Let them go and play some country cricket in English soil and gather experience rather spoiling cricket in IPL..

Posted by tambolisamir on (August 18, 2014, 8:16 GMT)

Formula for India team loss used by English team :

if (Out-swing bowl + Forward Defense + Slip fielders = Wicket), else (In-Swing bowl + hit on the pad + LBW appeal = Wicket)..........

Formula for England team used by Indian team : if (Full pitch delivery + No swing + No Speed = Four), else(Short Delivery + No Direction + No Speed = Six)

Posted by calidfern on (August 18, 2014, 8:15 GMT)

I love when India losing... they always showed their the best team in every format.. now see what happened.. before India talk about players who played this series, just chase all the commentators who were there & talked cock...

Posted by Hatter_Mad on (August 18, 2014, 8:14 GMT)

England were good but I don't think anybody should get carried away by this; India really did not appear to be bothered (unless they really are so bad that not one player from the eleven can actually play Test cricket). But a weak India is bad for international cricket and I hope the ODIs are more competitive.

Posted by bijendrasinha on (August 18, 2014, 8:10 GMT)

when Dhoni is saying that 2011 was still the lowest...he simply not accepting the fact that his team failed miserably...in fact pathetically... last time it was our bowling unit who couldn't raise their performances..and england batsmen to score double centuries..Cook, KP, Bell all made the batting crease their home....nd that time India was bundled out for a paltry total just for once in that series.. this time..umpteenth time.. batting didn't clicked even once.. last time we had Dravid who stood tall..this time VIjay showed some resistance but he too didn't convert them into a success..all in all a defiant dhoni may not accept it but the manner in which the team surrendered opens the main question which should be asked about their determination...

Posted by cavd on (August 18, 2014, 8:02 GMT)

Judging by these comments the Indian fans are obviously traumatised by their teams abject performance. The focus seems to be on a)the failure of fletcher as coach and b) the indian's inability to bat in 'english conditions'...I think this misses the point. We actually don't really know what Fletcher has been doing in the background, his performance may have been perfect. He certainly did a good job with England. And when it comes to the conditions - have you forgotten the road at Trent Bridge, have you also forgotten that England beat India 2-1 in their own back yard in 2012? The real problem is that you have a team with too many overpaid, over-rated players who believe their own hype and lack application when the going gets tough. They are in many ways the cricketing version of the England football team.

Posted by ms2000 on (August 18, 2014, 7:53 GMT)

At least now eveybody can understand that Sri Lanka is a beter test team than India and they did beat england in England. The Indian team is bloated by the media and this is the downfall of the team. Most of the players think and behave as they are the best in the wold and it was proved beyond doubt of their capabliities in UK.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 7:52 GMT)

@ balaji28 - Bala, I can understand you very well and also why u feel like this. But get your perspective right anne. Just don't be biased. Accept the fact that Ashwin is there only because of MSD, who himself is there because of CSK, which is owned by who, tell me. Was the ball in which gary ballance got out, a wicket taking delivery? Do you think Moeen Ali is a solid bat or that Ballance is an estabd batsman? Have u ever played cricket, practically? Is Ashwin being included in the team for his batting capabilities? Do you know who have won tests for India in England, fast bowlers or the spinners ? Is the spell at J'berg, devastating, one can only laugh at that. UR correct that ashwin is the best offie available in the current unit (i.e. out of 15 players who are touring). You say that "In TN there are loads of talent who can't even make the ranji team", but where do the TN ranji team stand, its is in dire straits right now. This is the fact and you have to accept it.

Posted by Saphalya on (August 18, 2014, 7:49 GMT)

Very sad day for Indian Cricket in all, as the women team also idolizes the men cricket team (Should be the other way round though). If Indian Men Cricket team needs to avoid this kind of humiliation (Indian winters in Australia is coming) again what needs to be done, but lets be more pragmatic and stop thinking about we can drop 10 players and retain 2 from the current lot and go to Australia (after 2 beers it looks like the most sensible decision) 1) Dhoni, Bhuvi, Ishant please opt out of WI tour completely 2) Team so called close in fielders, please spend more and more time honing your slip catching skills 3) BCCI please ensure we have very good sporting tracks for the WI series and not the dead slow pitches that are of no good to any one 4) Team India, wake you are a great team have that confidence and please try HARD 5) Fans: please don't expect team will win Aus test series, anything other than a whitewash is a victory and should be happily accepted and WI tour is a eye wash.

Posted by ravis123 on (August 18, 2014, 7:40 GMT)

It was an expected result. Lords win was a bonus. Bhuvi was a bonus. Rahane and Vijay to some extent did well. Dhoni did well with the bat, but was an utter failure as a leader. The rest of the performances were pedestrian. If B&A COULD GET SWING and BOUNCE, why was our lead strike bowler Ishant unable to do so, except for one test? I do not think anyone cares as they are all super rich and there is still so much to make in T 20.... I thin thre has to be a complete revamp in Tests with Iswar, Umesh, Mohit, Karan, Sanju, Naman, Saha, Rahul, to be bloodied and given openings and the existing guys like Gambhir, Ishant, Rohit, Jadeja, etc to be shown the door... Ravi

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 7:39 GMT)

Congratulations england on this grand success! Thrashing india by a huge 3-1 margin in this 5 test series is a fantastic achievement because england had lot of youngsters and inexperienced players, senior players like cook & bell etc were not in form, just before this series lost the test series against srilanka at home soil so on and so forth and then bouncing back from 0-1 after lords loss to 3-1 victory is indeed a stupendous achievement! WK buttler playing very first test, moin ali a part time spinner, 3rd and 4th pace bowlers very new, batsmen like root, ballance very new, cook, bell, price, robson all out of form but despite these constraints winning series by 3-1 margin is an extraordinary achievement really! Now the main question - test series emphatically won by england and can they win the ODI & T20 series too against india? If england could win these shorter version serieses too then it will be an Icing on the Cake and we will enjoy it thoroughly. Good lucks england!

Posted by Assertive-Indian on (August 18, 2014, 7:36 GMT)

Playing county cricket to improve one's technique is not a plausible solution. First of all tell me, which county will give a contract to these players? In North India during the winter season, we have cold, heavy, and overcast conditions where the ball swings quite a bit. If they are really serious about improving the technique, BCCI should organize Ranji games in North during the winter (Nov-Feb) and let the batters improve their techniques there...

Posted by AB_DeVilliers on (August 18, 2014, 7:36 GMT)

As a South African supporter, I'm really glad to see India eat a bit of humble pie. They have been absolutely humiliated here, and their so called stars have come crashing down. The so called financial powerhouse of cricket can't even hold a bat in english conditions, disgraceful.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 7:34 GMT)

What Fletcher doing not understand.Why management can't see role of coach. Bring Ganguly as coach that is best part india can do now. Else Same thing happen again when India will Tour Australia year end. The confidence level very very low now.Talent is good but need good coach not Fletcher.

Posted by anver777 on (August 18, 2014, 7:32 GMT)

All praises & appreciations to SL's last tour of ENG... SL's test team performed much better than the "STAR STUDDED" IND test team in ENG conditions !!!!

Posted by Seamer_Singh on (August 18, 2014, 7:28 GMT)

The differences between the two teams could be seen right from the start of each day during the test matches. The intensity England showed during the warm ups was far greater than India, which reflected back onto the field. Preparation is key to the start of any series/match and India have had/shown hardly any of that...a couple of warm up matches against club sides isn't enough. The team simply weren't ready for this series, who's to blame?...

Posted by Assertive-Indian on (August 18, 2014, 7:25 GMT)

Some players in our team have to ask this question to themselves: if you can't bat, bowl, or field, why do you want to play cricket. They are all very young and ultra-rich, I am sure that they can find alternative career choices for rest of their lives. What is the point in continuing to be involved in a profession in which one is not good at all... If players don't do this on their own, then selectors should do it for them...

Posted by Galdiator22 on (August 18, 2014, 7:23 GMT)

To say that i am dissapointed will be an understatement. As commented at the start bangladesh put a better fight when they last toured england with tamim iqbal scoring century in both the matches including 1 at old trafford where our star studded line managed to score 200 runs. I feel thats where sehwag made such a big difference to india doing well. A quick 50 runs inside the 1st 15 overs wouls have demolarised this english attack. The selectors should look at getting him back. All our super stars should play a season of county cricket to get themselves used to the swing and movement. Zaheer became a better bowler after his stiñt at worcstershire, kumble played county cricket, dada and dravid played county cricket . So what is stopping the likes of pujara, kohli,rahane and vijay frm playing a season of county cricket. I hope they learn from this debacle and lower their egos and play county cricket

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 7:22 GMT)

Best Indian team should be from: Dravid, Sehwag, Vijay/Rohit, Virat, Pujara, Dinesh Kartik/Samson/Naman Ojha, Aaron, Umesh, Bhuvneshwar, Ishant/Shami, Ashwin, Rahane, Raina, Dhoni. You can select your own new captain, perhaps Rahul Dravid (request him to unretire). He would be a great inspiration captain or not. Dhoni should give up Captaincy and wicket keeper atleast in overseas cricket. May be his old batting skill and spark ay come back. In days gone by Dhoni used to go 2 down or 3 down if the team batting was in trouble. He should compare his performance with Sangkara. He gave up wicket keeping and captaincy to concentrate on his batting and he is now the top batsman in Test cricket. Dhoni does not/can not inspire people and is not inspired himself. Look at Root, his team was beaten by Indian team in which Samson was the wicket keeper like Root. May be dump the selection board and make the board of old greats such as Kapil Dev, Ganguli, Gavaskar , Mohinder, Arun Lal , etc.

Posted by anver777 on (August 18, 2014, 7:21 GMT)

IND's win @ Lords's now looks like, it was a "Once in a Blue Moon win for IND" All credit to ENG for the strong come back, after conceding 0-1 lead to IND !!!!

Posted by venkatesh018 on (August 18, 2014, 7:18 GMT)

India and MSD are capable of winning/competing on only one type of surface- slow, low, dusty turners ie Home Conditions. This has been a fact well known for the last three to four years. Even those MSD achievements outside India like the Champions Trophy win came on pitches which turned square. The reason it has come down to this terrible state, is because anyone who should care in the BCCI and in the Indian media have stopped caring or doing a great act of looking the other way. Look at the way Ravi Shastri and Sanjay Manjrekar replied to a concerned Harsha Bhoge(Ravi said:Don't expect any improvements in India's overseas Test form for another three years & Sanjay said: Crisis-What crisis?) and it isn't difficult to understand the lack of care for the Test game in India. To compound Dhoni in the Press Conference said that this was not as worse as 2011. REALLY. This was an England Team beaten by Sri Lanka earlier in the season. And in 2011 England team had Strauss, KP and Swann.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 7:15 GMT)

This was an astonishing display of an effort which got worser and worser with time. Accepted that foreign conditions have always been tough for any team, but a fightback remains prominent. This team will continue to go bonkers in foreign countries. They will make an incredible comeback when they play at home and will be lauded with heaps of praises. There is no point in blaming Dhoni. He did the best he could. Anything that has led down their performance is nothing but their reticulous attitude towards the game and opponents. They win one match or series , they are all over the place n treat opponents like simple yokels. Over confidence is good only till they know its limitation. Rightfully said somewhere above Ravindra Jadeja should not play Test atleast for 2 yrs. Anyways ,on a brighter note, hats off to Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. He was amazing.He did his job way more better than what was expected out of him. All we need is consistency in him.

Posted by anver777 on (August 18, 2014, 7:12 GMT)

I still can't imagine the dismal effort of the IND team.. was it a 3day match or a 5day test match ??? the commitment & the application was totally missing from the entire team... specially from their so called "ACE" batsmen !!!! after this show IND is now very much under pressure from all corners, before the ODI series begins...

Posted by man90 on (August 18, 2014, 7:12 GMT)

@lion_wallaby and Rom1966:

Yes its pathetic and painful performance. I accept it. Just dont jump on a team particularly India when they lose. For India loss is happening quite often. Thats the problem. So don't jump on the team and say they are mediocre and win only against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe. Dont disrespect any team. Anybody can win any time with their performance. The teams are good friends themselves. Fans are fighting in forum among themselves stating we won last time and you lose. Indian fans will stay with the team irrespective if they win or lose. We did not jump on SL when they lost 2011 WC or England when they lost Champions trophy in England.

Kindly get over it.

Cricinfo pls publish.

Posted by balaji28 on (August 18, 2014, 7:12 GMT)

@raghavendra chandrasekar Is gary ballance and moeen ali are lower order batsmen and they got out by not able to read ashwin's variations and so better don't taunt him unnecessarily and he was selected because his allround ability. Even gr8 indian spinners like narendra hirwani,anil kumble,bhajji,bishen bedi have failed in english conditions but ashwin has improved after his devastating spell at Johannesburg and even India's greatest offie bishen bedi have rated ashwin as the best offie available in the current unit and so accept the fact.In tamilnadu there are loads of talent who can't even make the tamilnadu ranji team,so don't underestimate the potential from tamilnadu. Why no one is talking about biggest failures in this series like virat,pujara,gambhir,rohit,shami,jadeja,pankaj,stuart binny,shikhar who have failed miserably in this series. Sehwag and gauti have played miserable in ranji and they don't deserve another opportunity.I also like dhoni to quit the test captaincy.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 18, 2014, 7:08 GMT)

Bcci must have seperate coaches from one day and test team.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 18, 2014, 7:03 GMT)

Dhoni has to be more proactive. Wone be a bad idea for him to give up test captaincy and be a one day captain. Captaining all formats is affecting his performance.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 18, 2014, 7:01 GMT)

Bcci must take some tough decision now. Fletcher must go. Indian players domestic season has to be good they have to prepare the same pitches in Indian conditions also then they will improve in further foreign tours and players must play in more Domestic circuit

Posted by Assertive-Indian on (August 18, 2014, 7:00 GMT)

I have a nagging feeling that results will be no different in ODIs and T20s this time around. Because with many common and demoralized players across the formats, what else can we expect?

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 18, 2014, 6:58 GMT)

Fletcher must go. what is he is doing as coach, cant understand.he is making team from bad to worse. Time for a new coach. They could have done something new probably change the batting order but they didnt do anyhting. Dhoni has to be more proactive. Indian coach is must. I guess choices should be between Ganguly/ Bangar

Posted by Assertive-Indian on (August 18, 2014, 6:58 GMT)

The funny thing this time around is that there is no outrage in India at this result. Perhaps people knew it was in the coming after Old Trafford, so they were mentally prepared. Or perhaps because this time around India won a test match for a change, as against in 2011. Or perhaps Indians have stopped caring about test cricket due to T20s/ODIs...

Posted by pnramr on (August 18, 2014, 6:54 GMT)

There is no point in blaming everyone other then the players. Initially you have to learn the basics and you should need temperament to play test cricket. You have to take session by session to carry on batting.Playing 20-20 has spoiled everything. Test Cricket should be played with passion. No one has the capacity to stay at the wicket and leave the ball. Its all because of the flawed fundamentals. Even at the school level this as not been followed. Take for example Pujara and see how he holds the bat with bottom hand. With this grip he will be successful in India where he will make tons and tons of runs. All this flaws in technique is because of the T20 even thought it has its own advantages like the fielding standard has improved in the outfied where as in the slips its not because there were no slips in T20. We can just make comments here nothing is going to change when a Test series happens in India most will get double hundreds and the England tour will be forgotten.

Posted by RoshJ on (August 18, 2014, 6:50 GMT)

One must acknowledge that being part of the so called "Big 3" should and cannot mean a side would become automaticaly qualified to play in the "Big League"..playing 5 test series specially in alien conditions requires serious amount of conditioning and mental prowess which I am afraid this Indian team currently lack. SL should have played 3 test series IND perahps 3/4..I think IND asked for more than it could swallow!

Posted by masud69 on (August 18, 2014, 6:46 GMT)

Has anyone asked for India's exit from test arena? It would have been different story if Bangladesh lost like this fashion. Now India should arrange test series with BD and Zim in order to regain their status and ranking.

Posted by SridharKalyan on (August 18, 2014, 6:45 GMT)

PATHETIC. Just Pathetic. No team loses this badly - worst was the lack of a fight-back spirit. Pathetic.

Posted by Lermy on (August 18, 2014, 6:43 GMT)

When will normal service be resumed? It has to be said that in helpful conditions the English attack will always be a handful.

Posted by svpad on (August 18, 2014, 6:32 GMT)

Pls send fletcher home... Groom somebody like Bangar as a coach. Winning and losing ia always part of any game, but the way this guys have lost its unacceptable. I think dhoni has lost his midas touch. Without a gully is there a test match???

Slip fielding is pathatic much worse than our batting. Jadeja should never play test cricket for atleast for another 2yrs. Give more chance for other domostic players and be patient.

Have a indian bowling coach...

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

Common guys, would the scenario been different if Ashwin had played the entire series? Ridiculous. A man who can't take a genuine wicket in Test Match is now being treated as an Allrounder. What a shame. He is there in the team only because he comes from a particular place from where the cricket in India is being controlled. Just like the case of MSD.

Posted by cosman on (August 18, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

Nothing is going to change even after this abject humiliation. BCCI will organise some series at home before the australian tour, where they will win & everything will be hunky dory again. what was most galling during this series was a part time spinner picking up so many wickets. agreed indian batsmen cant play swing and seam but slow part time off spin? we just cant find quality spinners with such a huge population whereas the lankans throw up new spinners every year. it wont make any dent in the egos of our super rich cricketers.their show will keep going on with brief intervals like these foreign tours where all you have to do is show up with your glum face for a few minutes during the post match presentation & then go & relax in your 7 star dressing room!! Mr. Ravi shastri says that our team needs 3 years to rebuild! australia took just 6 months or so to rebuild! dhoni and co just cant or dont want look beyond the rohit sharmas, jadejas and rainas. they go out and come back soon.

Posted by gundapps on (August 18, 2014, 6:27 GMT)

At the outset I don't think there would have been many adverse opinions about the Indian team that was selected before this test series. It was a revelation to all concerned that top Indian batsmen were clueless in seaming conditions and this problem needs to be addressed. It was also evident that the Indian bowling attack lacked the pace and discipline needed to take advantage of the helpful seam-friendly conditions. We only have to hope that the battering this team received will not affect them in the ODI series

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 6:27 GMT)

Very pathetic to loose a match in 2 and a half days. the last test and this test last for only 5days in total where each test is supposed to last for 5 days. India has never played any 5 test series the last being in 2002 in WI so ideally we should have given 5 test series to WI or Bangladesh so that our batsman could have been on form. Going to England for a 5 test series was a disaster to happen. Hope the board does a rethink on this issue and ensure that if they want to have a 5test series our players should be allowed to play in county cricket or even in Aus and SA so that they could get used to the conditions, pitches etc Only after that we should engage in a 5 test series.

Posted by slowleftarmer on (August 18, 2014, 6:19 GMT)

One used to say - as much use as a chocolate fire grate, or an ashtray on a motorbike. Now we have - as much use as an England v India day 4 Test ticket.

Posted by imtiazjaleel on (August 18, 2014, 6:18 GMT)

Every time when a team loses a match or a series, the captain says we have some positives out of the tour, it was a learning curve. Next time also it will be the same thing repeated. When we will stop learning and start teaching.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 6:14 GMT)

At lest after this lose Indian cricket board should stop playing 3 formats of the game with same squad. Please don't allow a long term player for short games. T20 is for new faces were they can make an easy shine of their name.

Indian Test squad Indian ODI Squad IndianT20 Squad MS Dhoni (c/wk) Varun Aaron Dhawal Kulkarni Same as ODI Ravichandran Ashwin Stuart Binny Shikhar Dhawan Gautam Gambhir Suresh Raina Ravindra Jadeja Virat Kohli Bhuvneshwar Kumar Mohammed Shami Naman Ojha (wk) Sanju Samson (wk) Ishwar Pandey Mohit Sharma Pankaj Singh Umesh Yadav Cheteshwar Pujara Karn Sharma Ajinkya Rahane Ishant Sharma Rohit Sharma Murali Vijay Ambati Rayudu

If this continues Ind Test futr?

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 6:13 GMT)

wow (Y) I have never ever seen such a bad defeat to india before ;-)

Posted by Malti65 on (August 18, 2014, 6:10 GMT)

Perfect result. Misbah, Waqar and the selectors deserve this result.

Posted by gibbs.175 on (August 18, 2014, 6:02 GMT)

Very good for India because Dhoni is thinking The team India is his own property ....it s a good taste for him as a lesson

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:55 GMT)

Its a big misconception that India are good at ODI and T20 cricket. A look at India's performance after the 2011 World Cup will be revealing.

2011 Tour to England: Tests: 0-4 ODIs: 0-3

2011-12 tour to Australia: Tests: 0-4 ODIs: did not even reach the tri-series final involving Sri Lanka.

2012 home series against England: Tests: 1-2 ODIs: 3-2

2012-13 home series against Pakistan: ODIs: 1-2

2013 home series against Aus: Tests: 4-0 (CONVINCING)

2013 champions trophy: India won

2013 home series against Aus: ODIs: 3-2 (hardly convincing)

2013 tour to SA: Tests: 0-1 ODIs: 0-2

2014 tour to New Zealand: Tests: 0-1 ODIs: 0-4

Posted by kandynosori on (August 18, 2014, 5:54 GMT)

The team had lot of batting flaws. It was a mistake on the part of MSD to include Gautam Gambhir, he has not even played one full practice match and inducted into the team just because of Shikar Dhawan didn't do well. Foolish on the part of MSD.Also slip catching horrible in recent times. What is the fielding coach Mr.Trevor Penny doing , infact i should not blame the coach,it's the mindset of the players, play IPL make money, endorsements girlfriends partying and not concentrating on the field. Even a players like VIRAT KOHLI, PUJARA have been exploited with their weaknesses. As Nasser Hussain and Sourav Ganguly rightly pointed out, inviting a weak opposition like Westindies playing four test series in India all these players will score runs against them and lauded as champions and then board a flight to australia and get rogered their again. Not fit to win the world cup. I was in Lords final day when India won and i was in Southampton on the third day when they lost.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:51 GMT)

Bangladesh can bat well comparative this Indian team. No blame should be on Indian pitches and conditions for two digit inning scores. SriLanka for that reason even pakistan batsman is not great and their pitches are more or less like India. But they were/are better than India in England. Funniest part is our top order batsman attitude, forget all even Ishant can bat 43 balls in 1st innings of 5th test, what we are going to say about our top order. Bhuvi, Aswin are connected the ball in middle of bat compere to Kholi,Gambhir, Rahene, Pujara and even vijay. It is shame for the Indian Top Order and their attitude nothing else. I watched post match debate, Ravi Sastry, Sanjay and Harsha and fully disappointed with their comments on Indian pitches and preparedness. It was lucky Kohli didn't cross 50 in last innings otherwise our commentators might have priced him again equal or greater than Tendulkar. After Lords Kohli would be rested to send a message to the rest of top order.

Posted by thekingcobra on (August 18, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

Don't just blame ipl because a player plays max of 16 games in ipl by playing 16 games once in a year how can a player loose his techniques.

Posted by Iceman29 on (August 18, 2014, 5:44 GMT)

Start preparing fast and bouncy pitches in India that is the only way to tackle this issue...selection should be based on current form and not past history..sack the current coach...make Ganguly as coach..cut the salaries based on current performance....make the team sweat during practice sessions...no one should be let loose even if its Dhoni or Kohli..everone should toil in the net sessions and practice sessions..make them understand the importance of playing for their country, I think they have forgotten that....this is the only way to end this sorry state of Indian test cricket....

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:43 GMT)

After reading some of the replies to my comment i would like to say that i dont believe that India dont deserve criticism!! They really do. They didnt show any fight in the last 3 tests and their batting was really bad. but what i meant was that some of the criticisms were just too harsh. Most of our players had never played in England. plus this was the 1st five test series that India played in a long time and that too it was cramped in 43 days. None of the players were used to this.So to just expect them to win their 1st series in England that too a 5 match series was just asking too much. So all im saying is just think of all these things before calling this Indian team home track bullies. In the series that we lost in South Africa, New Zealand and England most of the players were playing there for the 1st time.And obviously they are goin to win more matches at home because they are used to the conditions.So just give them some more time and im sure India will start winning overseas

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:42 GMT)

Isn't it a sad state when the highest paid cricketers in the world cannot even play the game at the highest level...

Posted by Kruns on (August 18, 2014, 5:33 GMT)

DHONI needs to quit captaincy of test matches ....

Best opportunity now would be to bing in young talent for the test matches against west indies and go to australia after that with btr team. Kohli was a successor to take over from Dhoni but cant see that happening hence need one senior player to come in and lead the side

NO better player than VIRU to do that he would have a point to prove , give him the captaincy for 1 year and see the change may be india would not win but the aggresive intent he has would help the team better and there after take it on from there...

Selectors gav chance to GG now lets see if they give a look for Viru as well...

My team for westindies would be

Viru (c) , Vijay , Pujara , Kohli , Rahane , Rohit , Naman , Jaddu , Ashwin , Ojha , Bhuvi , Ishant , Umesh

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:24 GMT)

One thing for sure this indian batting line up ( Kolhi, Pujara, Rahane...) is wasting time playing IPL, One should not judge player when he plays good cricket on flat tracks and home conditions.

These players should follow path of Sachin Ganguly Dravid all these players played in county cricket and got exposed to seaming and bouncing tracks, Current Indian players are playin dum cricket(T20 IPL)

Posted by BUCG on (August 18, 2014, 5:24 GMT)

I swear Dhoni, Fletcher and selectors all are going to be sacked. Just wait and watch!!

Posted by Desihungama on (August 18, 2014, 5:19 GMT)

One's 49er and other 94er.

Posted by JustAnObservation on (August 18, 2014, 5:18 GMT)

More pathetic than the loss is the absurd justification by all the king's men, Dhoni, Shastri, etc. The former saying that the results do not matter as the are more focused on the process, while the latter has rarely castigated the Indian side despite the abject surrender. Any other team would have sacked the captain after back to back series loses overseas & would have checked the contribution of the coach. Yet, the captain continues to rule & hand pick his favourites like Jadeja, Rohit, etc and the coach's contract is shamelessly renewed just because he is doing exactly what is expected of him, remain mum while Dhoni rules. Three years back Dhoni started making noises against the seniors pinpointing their lack of agility. The youngsters now have demonstrated their talent by dropping more catches than grabbing. The wicket-keeping has been the worst among all the current international teams. Yet, when arguably the best keeper of India, Syed Kirmani offers suggestions, Dhoni shrugs off.

Posted by vish57 on (August 18, 2014, 5:10 GMT)

Looks BCCI needs a separate Set of selectors for selecting test teams, Selectors too need to take the blame for this sorry state of affairs apart from captain and players. What is the yardstick for S Binny to be in the team and play 3/5 test matches, simply selector's son. Jadeja playing as a front line spinner for 4 tests is because captain's favorite, poor Pragjan Ojha. Where are reserve batsmen in a team of 18, only Rohit Sharma? Dhoni's rigidity to change even batting order is indeed surprising, to me Ashwin would have fared as a better opener and would have occupied crease for 10 overs than Gambhir. Dhoni could have brought in Rahane at 3 and could have tried moving Pujara and Kohili lower. Srinivasan will ensure Dhoni continues as captain till 2015. Couple of ODI victories and win against WI will make Indian fans happy. Indian Cricket Team is doing a lot good to other sports as their dismal performance has forced people to watch Pro kabadi which is more thrilling.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:08 GMT)

We always think short term. This is why we loose. Play only test matches so save time for another series vs West Indies. This tour itinerary itself was a joke. With such an inexperienced squad we should have had max 2 tests back to back and should have given more games against counties in between test matches.

Plus IPL should only be for youngsters and max 2 India (current squad only) seniors per team.

Rest should either play Internationals else a County or Sheffield Shield stint should be made mandatory to learn how to play swing/fast bowling.

This current type of scheduling will only hamper players performances who are as good as surfaces they are exposed to. However this does not mean expose them to International cricket swing bowling in Test matches without a decent adjustment period which is absolutely necessary.

This is clearly not the case at the moment so then blaming the players is immaterial.

Posted by nkoch on (August 18, 2014, 5:06 GMT)

in addition to bashing of all non-performers and praising the performers, can India rethink their stance on DRS? BCCI/Dhoni's argument on DRS is utter nonsense. Perfect or not, the technology will always make the decisions more transparent and fair. If they had DRS this series, number of decisions would have been correct, and who knows.. India would have had better fortune.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:05 GMT)

Indian cant plat proper test match since last 5 month,They follow only t20 format. change the test team,if not big loss against others,surly India will lose ODI series. Can India win.....?

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 5:04 GMT)

India go home and play T20 only. You are not fit to play Tests

Posted by balaji28 on (August 18, 2014, 5:04 GMT)

It's time to revamp the selectors and test squad.Only ashwin, vijay, rahane, dhoni, ishant,ishwarpandey,naman ojha and varun needs to remain in the squad and the rest needs to be dropped to show that "perform or perish" Kohli failed 10 times continuously and he need to be dropped and he should prove his worth in ranji trophy for atleast 2 seasons with some worthy performance to regain his test place and he shouldn't be given another chance for granted. Ranji trophy pitches should be made in a way to test the batsmen skill and flat tracks shouldn't be made during ranji tournament so that it helps in finding a best squad. Fast bowlers should be selected only if he bowls 140kmph or more with good line and length. Ashwin has proved in the final test that he is a worthy bowling all rounder that he can bowl well in tough tracks. Pujara,kohli,shikhar,gauti,stuart binny,jaddu,shami,bhuvi,pankaj needs to dropped and replaced by genuine players who can survive in tough tracks.

Posted by Lion_Wallaby on (August 18, 2014, 5:03 GMT)

@man90 ;The way SL was going in Eng the more they had played more they would have won. From T20 to ODI's to Tests they played equally well. Did India had any batsman or a bowler performed consistently? SL had many of them. Sanga played 4 innings and scored 1 century and 3 half centuries, Matthews played 4 innings and scored 2 hundreds. Unlike Indians SL always had 50+ opening stands. All bowlers performed as one.

The average age of this Indian team is 28. And the average SL team played in Eng was 29. Actually out of the 11 men played in the last test in Eng 6 of them played for the first time in England. So I cannot see Indian team is any younger as their fans vouch. Young or old India still lost last time they toured Eng 4-0 with all their so called greats in the side.

So please do not throw lame excuses! But we do understand losing outside India again and again is painful.Losing by an innings and 54 and again an innings and 244 runs is more shameful and disrespectful!!!

Posted by Chris_P on (August 18, 2014, 4:50 GMT)

@landl47. Cheers. I am with you, don't really like ODI's & T20's don't do it for me. I also hate playing them (not suited as I am an opener who likes to grind) but manage to get by when I have to play them. Happy to discuss our players on another forum, I'll leave this forum for you & your fellow supporters to bask in the limelight. And cheers to you, @5Wombats, hope your health is on the improve!

Posted by cricbipul on (August 18, 2014, 4:47 GMT)

There is no doubt that this india team was not able to maintain their tempo and lost their way only after the second test match. This indian team has not played a complete series of 5 test matches abroad since infinity so they are not mentally prepared for that. I am sure that india will lose to a third division team of england if there is a sixth test match. This also suggests that the quality of domestic cricket in india is degrading. The players have to come out of the mentality that test matches are not good business, BCCI has to take some strong decisions. Changing the players wont help it is the mentality that has to be changed

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 4:43 GMT)

pls understand one thing its not easy to rotate the players every series give them a chance second and third time. dont just throw out in the basis of ipl. senior players like yuvraj should be given more chances. he has shown wat he is. with out experience players like yuvraj dont even think abt wining 2015 world cup. nly yuvraj can win it for us. atleast in one day matches include yuvraj and give him chance. let him get match practice for world cup 2015

Posted by Abaa on (August 18, 2014, 4:36 GMT)

@ thozar - Dissing South Africa now? Are you for real? I mean you are making a big fuss about drawing in Australia whereas they won back to back series there! And the time when India drew in Australia McGrath was not playing the one match they won so don't use a likewise argument to berate SAF's incredible achievements! I am not even South African and find your demeaning attitude extremely disrespectful specially considering the pathetic performance your team just put up! It is not the 3-1 scoreline that is a disgrace nor the result of losses themselves. It is the manner in which they were carried out. It is the 3 day losses, the complete crushing which is an absolute shocker and the kind of thing that can never happen to a teamm like SAF! Before criticising other countries, have the mutual respect for others first. It is because of fans like you that the fans of other countries love it when India gets smashed. All you do is find fault with other nations!

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 4:36 GMT)

Many things have been stated and much eater has run under the bridge after Lords Test. Where did it all go wrong. For one thing this team is quite young and average age probably in mid 20s. After Lords test much adulation and praise was heaped on players, and at one point many players were compared by those who have now retired to some of the greats in the past. Too much adulation shifted focus of the team and created an unnecessary self conceit in the players. Instead of working out strategies for the remaining three tests they sought to bask in the glory and the dreams of winning the series. Also Poms realized their folly in the Lords test, not bowling to a length and spraying the ball all over. All that vanished in the final three tests and results are there to see. Kholi failed because the coaching people did not tell him about how to tackle the swinging ball. In the second innings of final test it was there to be seen, trying to flick on the leg side a ball that moved.

Posted by Nortox on (August 18, 2014, 4:30 GMT)

Cricket .. a sad state for all Asia We say there is professionalism now , Big 3 leader or small 7 member look at the sorry state we are in .. in 30-40 years of Asian cricket we haven't learned a thing.

Physical fitness. Mental strength

Both accounts all Asia is zero hence bowlers breakdown, fielding we only admire RSA, AUS but don't do anything to improve. Money is spent but not at right places. None of the players that are brought in are finished product.. I dont see us improving.. India may win ODIs and everything will be forgotten and same with pakistan, even if they win a T20 people will forget the thrashing in 2 Tests.

All in all, they fail in real TEST more often than not.....

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 4:29 GMT)

shd b da end of test career for gambhir..dhawan..jaddu..Rohit n Binny...let rahane open..give one last chance to viru r bring smeone who is aggressive as viru...da way our openers play..leaves everyone scared n defensive... :(let him open or play in middle order as he wants..

Posted by Sri_Lankan_Cricket_Fan on (August 18, 2014, 4:26 GMT)

With this kind of performance India won't be able to even select for quarter finals in the 2015 world cup.

Posted by Chaminda_Rat on (August 18, 2014, 4:25 GMT)

lot's of indian fans are saying that if Sri Lanka play 5 test series in Englend would have been 1-3 lost. or maybe not. Indian fan need to know that orginal schedule is 3 match for SL and 4 Matchs for Ind. so call BIG THREE reduse one match from SL and make it 5 match series for financial benifit and India team paid the price

Posted by black_bird on (August 18, 2014, 4:17 GMT)

Brilliant display from india. If they used drs, the result would be completely opposite. India will show how good they are against west indies. Still they are world champion.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 4:11 GMT)

Abissmal performance. I still think England were the better team, but definately not by the margin the scoreboard shows in the end. India were reckless and undisciplined. That MS Dhoni could apply sound logic to tackle the conditions despite great bowling, testing conditions and a personal lack of technique is testiment to that. India need to take a long hard look at just how to play test cricket, because it doesnt look like they know how. They dont look able to concentrate for long periods of time, are not sufficiently fit for 5 days of continuous cricket and lack discipline and consistency in sticking to plans and building pressure. Im out of ideas of where to start to rectify this - maybe a new coach?

Posted by landl47 on (August 18, 2014, 4:11 GMT)

@Chris_P: I'll be following the Australian season with interest this year, since there is another Ashes series in 2015. ODI cricket is not really my thing (and I can't stand the mindless T20 stuff), but I'll be watching the World Cup. As far as England's concerned, having got some momentum from this series, it's incredibly frustrating that the next test series isn't till April.

Surely Phil Hughes must be given a run in the test side soon? I've always felt that he had the talent, but lacked the maturity to make the most of it by cutting out the low-percentage shots. A couple of double-centuries in recent weeks suggest he's coming into the Aus season in top form. With Chris Rogers turning 37 in a couple of weeks and Doolan looking nothing like test quality to my eyes, Hughes should be given an extended spell in the side, don't you think?

The other thing I'll be watching is whether MJ can carry his 2013/4 form (among the best I've ever seen) into 2014/5. If he can- look out England!

Posted by katch47 on (August 18, 2014, 4:08 GMT)

Well deserved win for England, they are spirited and I like the way they came back after the series was 1-0. its so surprising to see guys like Yousufahmed11 so tame. Wow.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 4:06 GMT)

What a pathetic performance by this highly rated Indian team in the English summer. As I stated earlier the abundance of T20 cricket have made a mockery of the techniques of many an Indian batsman who just could not cope with the seam & swing of the England bowlers. As a commentator quipped, they were like "rabbits with a fixed stare against a bright light" and had no clue in how to move their feet and get to the ball in contrast to English batsmen who all played the moving ball very well. Indian test cricket will have a lot of soul searching to do as this humiliation cannot go unnoticed and the BCCI would do well to revamp their tournaments to cater to all forms of the game instead of only focusing on T20 cricket in the future.

Posted by chathuradil on (August 18, 2014, 3:59 GMT)

This is a good reply from captain cook and the crew to all the newspaper and media, which they had humiliated the English team after the series loss to the SLns. Of course SL is a par stronger than India, outside the subcontinent, but English team has done the last two games by innings. There's no need to argue that the temperament of Cook and his captaincy. He has handled the pressure very well, no test victory for 8 months and come back strongly. i would say that he is the best test captain at the moment, even Angelo Mathews bit lagging him. On the other hand MSD had some positives as well. This time they avoid a white wash. Not a 5-0 and a win in Loads game. The thing is, MSD always kept hopes on kholi, and never tried to put him back while he was falling behind his form continuously. Hope to see some fight from India in ODIs.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:55 GMT)

guys pls stop criticizing dhoni for all the failures..its the common Indian mentality to give crown wen they succeed n criticized wen they fail..its the entire team failure/ biggest collapse..wat wud msd do wen his top 6 batsmen are struggling to score n stay..infact msd who is been blamed for no technique n no proper cricketing shots survived longer scoring 4 valuable 50s else it wud hv been Ind all out for 60 in 5th test 1st inn..just think wat resources do we hv n talk then..gambir was called n he didn't score more than 15..do we hv fast bowlers bowling wit pace n swing lasting longer..India don't hv bowling stalwarts..just accept it..it wud hv been no different scenario wit sehwag, yuvi, Samson n others..we try to bring replacements if one fails n spoil the talent..binnys bowling was effortless n it looked English were playing Scl ckt..the problem lies with batting order, team selection.we don't hv opening batsmen with no sehwag n gambir.though dhawan not a test player.

Posted by Gloryof96 on (August 18, 2014, 3:52 GMT)

What you guys don't understand ..... Eng still ordinary, Ind was really bad - plain truth. Aus and NZ will beat the living daylights out of this Eng team. Joe Root is a breath of fresh air to Eng but there is a flaw in Roots technique which will be exposed next summer.

I do feel for Ind, may be its time to rethink on IPL, may be Ranatunga was right after all!

Posted by dee135 on (August 18, 2014, 3:43 GMT)

When the eng bowlers were bowling the shine on the ball lasted till the 50th over lol which is quite sure why the shine of the ball didn't disappeared coz the indian openers and the middle order batsmen were not even able to play the ball or middle the ball or hit well so that the ball would get older fast and should become easy to other players....the indian batsmen really struggled to be more honest they dont know how to play swing bowling...eng bowlers really bowled well and they deserved this series ......being an indian i really feel sorry for this indian team and they only deserve to play in the ipl and on the flat subcontinent pitches....playing on wickets other than the subcontinent is not their cup of tea..hhhh

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:42 GMT)

hi good morning.Im a sri lankan, and we are proud that we have won the investic test series against England, but i agree that it was a 2 match series, but still DUDE we won, and you cannot change the past. We played with England the 5 match ODI series and we won it, and what can you say for that huh?? indians im asking you and i challenge your favorite team india "Can you win atleast the ODI series against england????"

Posted by Anil_Koshy on (August 18, 2014, 3:40 GMT)

India A should Australia, England and South Africa on a regular basis, this will only help the team to adapt in various conditions. Key players should be allowed to play county cricket instead of IPL, they should be given some fixed amount for not playing IPL.

Posted by CurrentPresident on (August 18, 2014, 3:35 GMT)

As I mentioned elsewhere, what is needed is a hard disqualification criteria for both bowlers and batsmen. Once they get below that threshold, they are automatically disqualified from being picked up in the next test.

For example, for batsmen, it could be 5 consecutive innings where they last less than 50 balls. For bowlers, 5 tests with an average over 50 could disqualify them. Bring in raw talent from domestic and 'A' teams.

Such standards will help us weed out the non-performing so called stars and give opportunity to fresh talent. I don't think we really need to worry about the impact on performance - there is no performance right now.

Posted by Avi56 on (August 18, 2014, 3:30 GMT)

All Countries have home advantage is true...But All other teams have a Fighting spirit and try their best...This indian team after the anderson jadeja incident were so irregular and did not put up a fight...They lost against a team which was practically new player...They did not fight hard and did not attempt too...Losing a test match is fine. But losing a test match against a Team who was not at their best (until now) and losing 3 matches with innings defeat. Does not make sense.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:29 GMT)

Eng would be suffering the same fate when they visit India next year for 5 test matches...It would be worse than 3-1.... It will be 5-0...remember Australia in India 2013??

Posted by KeepitHonest on (August 18, 2014, 3:27 GMT)

Blaming the Indian team is pointing a finger at a small part of the problem. The big issue behind the failures is India's ONE SIZE FITS ALL policy - tests, ODI's & T20. Indian cricketers, BCCI, the Indian viewing public and the Indian psyche are most naturally in tune and harmony with ODI's - it's what drives their passion. It's where we will see the Indian team most likely succeeding. In test cricket a ME TOO approach won't work just as Usain Bolt can't win a marathon. Test cricket is conducive to a much larger degree of strategy we don't understand these days. The earlier teams were slightly better at it and the BCCI needs to harness the acumen of Sunil G., Rahul D., Kapil D., Anil K. to form a separate Test Match technical committee to BUILD a test team and test playing strategy with the aid of player, pitch, conditions databases and historical outcomes. Once these guys are gone, it will be too late until a group of naturally gifted test talent come along.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:15 GMT)

if india has to perform well in test cricket they should get rid off dhoni's captaincy as soon as possible. I think he should be there for one day and t20 but his mindset does not suit the kind of cricket which should be played at test level. If we leave his performance with the bat in the series his overseas record as a batsman does not earn him a spot in team. Test series loss has overshadowed the effort put in by indian bowlers specially seamers who have bowled well. We have to look forward rather than discussing what went wrong. If selectors and bcci still ready to learn from their blunders their is still a way out.

Posted by BhaskarHajong on (August 18, 2014, 3:09 GMT)

Pathetic team India! From now own more away test for India than home. 1 home series 3 overseas series per season to improve away performance.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:08 GMT)

i think indians would not start winning unless they come out of their mantra of 'young and inexperienced team'

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:06 GMT)

Bring on the ashrs

Posted by brija on (August 18, 2014, 3:05 GMT)

The indian board administrators are to be blamed for india's pathetic show in england.5 test matches,5 one days internationals and 1 t20 matches non stop that too in seaming conditions of england was bad planning.i suspect that this highly talented indian team will do well in ODI's as the players are already weary.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 3:00 GMT)

India lost badly true, there will and are lot of questions and unwanted comments, this is the time we should spare to give the confidence the Indian team which is budding with youngsters and will take a little more to show the true colors. Look at the example of Australia who were No.1 and got demolished very badly during the transition period now getting back. All the members of the team are equally disappointed with themselves on their own performance and definitely when they go back will do their home works and get back in good ways to test. Lets us give the confidence to the currently struggling Indian team in test. All the best and Jai Hind

Posted by RahaneRules on (August 18, 2014, 2:59 GMT)

dont even compare virat with joe root virat is way better see the away avg and comment and joe root dont hav a single ton away from home thats a shame

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:57 GMT)

Most of those who wanted the BIG THREE to retire from Test Cricket for over 5 years or more before they actually and rightly did, were the ones who never took any interest in Test Cricket or understood it. Sadly, this tiny minority, as empty as they were, were also the noisiest. And I am sure they are not perturbed by the sorry status of our batting unit and team as a whole. They will perhaps never understand the pain and grief of genuine Indian cricket audience to see this absolute misery in display. Or never will those get to realize how ungrateful they were calling for the blood of those Legends who often fought through and at times fell covering the toothless, spineless rest, taking the blame of not doing enough! The only relief is, if you wish to think so, it is only a Game!

Posted by kumar692 on (August 18, 2014, 2:57 GMT)

I think it's better for Dhoni to let go the captaincy in Test cricket as he still haven't learnt from his previous mistakes. I don't much about his captaincy record but surely it's getting worse after every series. I think he has lost around 14 test matches in overseas in past 3-4 years which isn't good by any standard. I hope MSD understands this...

Posted by IMG_SL on (August 18, 2014, 2:53 GMT)

Feel sorry for poor Indian boys.... Their mighty Kohli has now become almighty.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:52 GMT)

So what is the lesson for ECB. If you want non-competitive, one sided, 3 or 4 day test matches (where the ENGLAND team come out GLORIOUS WINNERS) then give more 5 match test serieses to India. But if you want more competitve, attractive, absorbing, hard fought text matches that goes this the last session on the fifth day, then give more test matches to Sri Lanka! I can clearly remember, last time when SL visited England, Jeff Boycott was saying that the series would be the dress rehersal for the real show coming up next (which was the series agains India). What happend? Even though it was early season, SL played very competitive cricket (expect for one match) but India with all their 'Stars' were blown away 4-0. Same story this time around. The brave SL team won the series but the toothless Indian team were blown away. When will the ECB going to learn?

Posted by Sexysteven on (August 18, 2014, 2:51 GMT)

Well all Indians should be embarassed by there teams lack of fight losing isn't the issue here it's how they lost if they play like that in Aussie the results will only get worst there captain has to go he did ok with the bat but his keeping and captaincy made it appear like he had given up the fight kohli is the man for the job he won't give up his batting will come good he did well in Aussie last tour it's about trying select other players that gave agood chance of doing well on Australian wickets now I certainly think samju Samson has the skills to succeed in Aussie I know he is young and mite be inconsistent for awhile but I think he's worth giving agoe he's got the talent and usually looks good most times he plays

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:50 GMT)

i think it will be very difficult for INDIA to do well in england.i know they won at lords but as we know non of the indian players play any county cricket they cant get the right game plan to do well in england.what was shocking and painful for me to see no fight by the players when they were in real trouble for me they never commit to fight until the last.we all know how much money they get from the ipl.they should know no matter how powerful is BCCI controlling the cricket the BCCI made indian cricket team a joke.the team who had a GANGULY\SACHIN\LAXMAN\DRAVID\KUMBLE it is very sad to see them twice bowled out in test mach 90 and 80 overs.this is not you out of form this is only when you dont care about the nation.because you have ipl to make you rich in six week than fighting in discomfort and getting hurt for saving a test mach .

Posted by dunger.bob on (August 18, 2014, 2:49 GMT)

Congratulations to England, commiserations to India. .. Wow, what a turnaround. Stunning.

Does anyone remember @ Arun Bose? He swore black and blue that there was no such thing as momentum in Test cricket. Not a factor according to him. .. I think we've just seen a team gather that much momentum it turned into an avalanche that rained down upon the opposition until they were nothing but a twisted, smoking wreck somewhere underneath the rubble. .. that's all I've got to say.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:39 GMT)

Dont know why world says!!! We have best batting lineup. :-/

Posted by a1234s on (August 18, 2014, 2:33 GMT)

When England was being whitewashed in Australia, the team underwent a dramatic transformation. Some players chose to retire and alllow for fresher minds to come in. Some were taken out of the XI. There were serious repercussions.

No such thing is going to happen with India after this humiliation. That we continue to persist with a bowler who takes wickets @ 37 with a S/R 65 after 58 tests is telling us something.. that, there is no accountability in this team.

Also, the scheduling is very unkind to this team. England doesnt play a test series till next April. I haven't looked up India's test schedule, but I am pretty sure India will be playing atleast a couple of test series. And then we have the minor matter of the IPL.

Can we afford to have such a packed schedule with tired minds and tired bodies?

Posted by anupkeni on (August 18, 2014, 2:28 GMT)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/match/667719.html Close of play Fri, 15 Aug - day 1 -England 1st innings 62/0 (AN Cook 24*, SD Robson 33*, 19 ov) Sat, 16 Aug - day 2 - England 1st innings 385/7 (JE Root 92*, CJ Jordan 19*, 105 ov) Sun, 17 Aug - day 3 - India 2nd innings 94 (29.2 ov) - end of match

Posted by MarvinX on (August 18, 2014, 2:23 GMT)

Guys. Catches and DRS win matches. It all started with Cook being dropped by Jadeja and Bell being giving not out when he was plumb.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:19 GMT)

In my opinion when Indians were winning one day matches they were highly overrated. MGO is advertisements came every five minutes on TV. Naturally they get swollen headed. Wasn't the moving ball there in the first two tests and didn't India win one of those? When without Kholi scoring? This team will improve and needs to take the blame constructively. Dhoni struggles single handedly to save matches when others get out cheaply. This can happen to any team. They should be more focussed on tests than the cowboy game that has made them millionaires.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:18 GMT)

Let me guess Mmmm England got lucky , they always seem to get lucky everytime , I wonder why that's but last years Ashes series England were very very lucky that but in Australia they mustn't been unlucky cause of Johnson scary them away ! Good on ya lucky !

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:18 GMT)

@Viplav Murkudkar on (August 17, 2014, 19:59 GMT):

By and large, you are right. BUT...

The same England team beat India in India. You forgot that, or deliberately omitted that from your comments?

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 18, 2014, 2:12 GMT)

Dhoni says that the 2011 series was worse and I guess he's right if you look just at the scoreline. Despite that, I'd say that this one is probably more of a concern. In 2011, they had to contend with a lot of injuries and they did put up some sort of fight. Here, the only injury of note was Ishant. Admittedly, it did occur just after his having bowled a match-winning spell. That said, I'm not sure that he was going to bounce England out again and it's catches in the slip cordon that should really be an indicator of how well a bowler is performing. To hear a lot of fans, Ishant should not have been in the team to begin with either. What is of most concern is that the batting got steadily worse as the series went on. Also, if you want to say that conditions were a factor by aiding England's bowlers, how do you explain someone whom many considered a part-time spinner taking so many wickets? If India can't bowl or bat against spin then their one genuine, enduring strength is gone.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:11 GMT)

Well played England. However the English need to remember that they are still a medicore side. This side will not stand against the top three. For India.. Start all over again.. Technique, slip catching, nets.. And physical fitness. .. Else stare at Aussie massacre coming up this year.. India after this is probably the bottom two teams in the world

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 18, 2014, 2:05 GMT)

One thing that saddens me is to see India's bowlers perform below par in this game. In Australia, I thought that England's bowlers started the series bowling well enough to have give England every chance to compete. In fact, I think that they were as good as Australia's bowlers, other than Mitchell Johnson of course. They were continually let down by their batsmen and fielders though and that began to take its toll. Over the course of the series, Australia's batsmen began to grow in confidence, safe in the knowledge that their bowlers could rescue them from any situation and thus not afraid of being dismissed. England's bowlers also lost their will as the series went on, naturally feeling that even a good performance was unlikely to affect the outcome of the game. The result was good bowlers being hit all over by the end of the series. India suffered similarly here. One big difference was that India could still draw the series with a win here, but that never looked likely.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 2:03 GMT)

Indian fans will remain in self denial. Exposure of new batting sensation Virat Kohli is etched. His extravagant celebrations making 100's on domestic pitches will mock him wherever he would go. I hope guy will show some humility and grace making his next 100 on India soil. Pride has a fall.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 18, 2014, 1:59 GMT)

I'm not sure of the complete context but the fact that Dhoni said "Don't be so jealous of IPL" when asked whether India would benefit from some players skipping the IPL and playing some county cricket concerns me. Too many Indians keep telling themselves that all the criticism of the IPL is purely the result of jealousy. I'm not about to say that jealousy is not a factor; no doubt every country's board would love to have rights to something that could generate the revenue that the IPL does. To assume that that's the only factor is hubris though. First, there's annoyance. The IPL has had a negative impact on WI in particular but also NZ. That's certainly down to the players in part though, as noone is forcing them to play IPL. It has also affected England, with under-strength opposition arriving in the early season. I'm not saying that it's the BCCI alone that must bend but they seem uninterested in participating in finding a solution to a problem that affects all international cricket.

Posted by Moin13 on (August 18, 2014, 1:57 GMT)

I am just wondering what if Bangladesh would lose matches like this. Everyone would start screaming that Bangladesh don't deserve to play test etc. But the truth is India played worse than Bangladesh in this tour. So, that means their test status should also taken away? I am just trying to say bad time can come to any teams so try to be considerate with other countries who is struggling.

Posted by Sri_Lankan_Cricket_Fan on (August 18, 2014, 1:54 GMT)

I don't understand why India needed 5 tests series. At least they were unable to go beyond 3 days. England should better choose tough sides like Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka to play long test series. India is too weak for them. Even Bangladesh could survive for at least 4 days. If India keep losing like this I don't think 70% of income will come from India any more. Anyway congrats for English boys for humiliating Indian team.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 18, 2014, 1:52 GMT)

@crindex on (August 17, 2014, 20:00 GMT), I'd say that to blame this series loss on the Jadeja-Anderson incident is what is rubbish and irresponsible. Who was it who insisted on pushing that affair on? Pretty much everyone else said that enough is enough several times over the course of that farce but it was India who kept it alive. I'm not sure who the driving force was but it appears to have been Dhoni. If his team could be as affected by an unfavourable outcome as you claimed then it was irresponsible of him to keep pushing it so hard, even if he did believe that he was doing the right thing. It was clear from a very early stage that there simply wasn't the evidence to prove India's case and that should have been the end of it. India should be humiliated by this loss and use that as fuel to drive themselves to do better in future, particularly in Australia next up. If they just blame that incident for their woes then there will undoubtedly be more humiliation to follow.

Posted by redneck on (August 18, 2014, 1:47 GMT)

the poms may have won but the result said a lot more about india than england! however there was a postive to take away for india. your fast bowling has improved!!! your previous 4-0 drubbings in aus and england your bowling looked useless, this time it looked a lot better. ishant looked much improved and arron and kumar are test wothy bowlers. india now is capable of taking 20 wickets in a test outside india!! however your batsman have clearly given up any advantage that the improved bowling has gained!!!! too much ipl and forgotten or never learnt the art of putting a price on your wicket!!! too many players contempt with their bank a/c balance, and not motivated to give their all for the national team!!!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 18, 2014, 1:46 GMT)

I feel a little for India, having to bat on what was probably the liveliest pitch of the series when their batsmen were clearly already demoralised. That doesn't really excuse this performance though. Had Bell held a catch of Ishant or had England appealed when Dhoni nicked it behind, India would have been all out in the 90s in the first innings as well, so their performance was probably more dire even that it appears on the scoreboard. Some might say that they deserved a bit of luck but, while a dropped catch may be good luck for the batsman, you can't really claim it as bad luck for the fielder. It's just poor cricket. England have dropped their share of late but were much better in this series. As for the umpiring mistakes, I think you'll find that more have actually gone in India's favour too, albeit that the timing of them may have helped England. They've also played in a such a way as to make the most of them, which India have failed to.

Posted by sanctam on (August 18, 2014, 1:33 GMT)

well played England,, they heavily deserved this,, in fact,, I don't understand the reason to conduct five TEST series withi INDIA,, since they are only good at home highways,, Sri Lanka doing good in test but only get 2 TESTs and even such less tests our Batsmen have batting records equivalence to greats at anytime,, hope we'll get more test matches in future,, money comes into this gentleman's game and ruining its status...

Posted by amit.80s on (August 18, 2014, 1:03 GMT)

In 2011 tour after 0-4 drubbing we all got frustated and wanted changes in the team and we all throw up the names of Pujara, Kohli, Rohit and Rahane for debate. Now after this series we all left frustrated yet again but this time we don't even have ay names to put up for debates, we cannot ask for changes coz this wa the best lot we have at this time so we just have wait kepp calm and faith in these young lads, hopefully they will be gutted as well and will do everything they can to turn things around. Only changes we can expect is another opening combination specially Gambhir to be replaced with someone elase performing better in domestic circuit and quality spinners who could actually turn the ball and exploit the conditions better than Ashwin/Jadeja then again I don't want to go back to Ojha or Mishra i think its time for Akshar Patel or Karn Sharma.

Posted by TwohedulAzam on (August 18, 2014, 1:02 GMT)

Hope this will stop Indian cricket commentators like Harsha Vouglee writing articles about Bangladesh's underachievement in cricket! I remember when Bangladesh toured England last time they didn't lose inside 3 days, pathetic performance from India, demoralising for the rest of the Asian sides. And perhaps Indian administrators should now realise that their effort to lead cricket's governing body by ganging up with the old masters (Eng and Aus) would not spare them from getting thrashing from those same masters in the field unless they improve their cricketing infrastructures at home!

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 0:59 GMT)

"...This is an Indian side built on immense wealth and hubris...".

There lies the problem! That would have been perfect, if the players and the Board also had the humility to accept their inadequacies and wanting to improve, using those immense wealth .

Would the players wish to have some county experience? Would they have enough humility to feel the need for it and seek? Would the "all-powerful" Board arrange for a county stint, for ALL India players? Not only to play decently in England, but for their overall development?

Or, would the Board continue to be ever more greedy, by squeezing in more and more money spinning contests, and in that process, make the players short-form automated robots and run them down to earth.

Would the players themselves be satiated with the wealth they already made from the game? Or, would they want even more of that, which after a point can become 'worthless' and can only lead to even more worthless conspicuous ego-boosting consumption?

Posted by Greatest_Game on (August 18, 2014, 0:58 GMT)

@ crindex indignantly insists "To say its a humiliation is rubbish and irresponsible. Indian boys were clearly homesick after the Jadeja-Anderson incident."

And that, in a nutshell, is the problem. India sent homesick boys to play a 5 test series against men!! That is why India can't win - this is a men's game! Leave the boys at home.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (August 18, 2014, 0:49 GMT)

Anderson is so skilled he has not yet caught up with Beefy! Not much to write home about is he?

Posted by wapuser on (August 18, 2014, 0:42 GMT)

Hi guys India may not be a great team for the test match... But don't judge on India... There are one days and t20s...surely we will thrash England

Posted by USAMAAJMAL678 on (August 18, 2014, 0:42 GMT)

lol i can only laugh people giving lame excuses about 5 match series being too tough and england winning at home or indian team too young...this england team is as young as the indian team and a young asian lankan team also beat them...also about 5 match series..england came to india in alien conditions and beat them in a 5 match series without giving excuses that 5 match test series outside home is too tough... whatever excuse they give about a young team or a 5 match series outside home being tough indians should have the courage to admit that reality is these players are not just good enough to win outside sub continent..lol and i dont know how they thik pujara is sucha correct batsman like dravid...the only thing he does is lean down low and put s a straight bat..that does not make u correct...dravid was such a wall coz he had brilliant back and front quick feet movement ..whereas pujara only does one thing stand at one place lean down as low as he can and puts the bat forward...

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 0:39 GMT)

all out under 100 with so called (media ) greats , this is the reality with this team?????

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 0:35 GMT)

BCCI needs to think hard from now. Home series rakes in money, but it does nor prepare an indian team to succeed oversees. I don't know why West Indies is being invited for the second time in less than 12 months. India will wallop the wife's in India with all the failed batsman making runs by the tons.is this what we want to see? Look at the women's team.they get their first tour in 7 years and too to England and they win. Similar conditions as the men's team. Simply the passion to succeed wad not there for thus indian team. The original 17 Saud had some invalids and successive 11s too were poorly selected. India should build a new team with youngsters. The Gambhirs, Zaheers, Dhonis can be given rest from test cricket permanently if they don't go out on their own.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 0:33 GMT)

How does it feel? Mr. Dhoni.

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 0:20 GMT)

Does the Indian team have any takeaways from this tour? We have asked the question quite many times. The answer was always an aggressive "yes", but it never was apparent. In the last 3 test matches, India cannot call even one session "theirs". And, why should they play Kenya or Zimbabwe to motivate themselves. This kinda medicine is for kids in a playschool. And, if our cricketers are defined so, they should not be playing international cricket.

I think we need to replace the coach [for strategic thoughtlessness] and the captain [for failing to bring across any motivation, he is a good player but seems to have lost touch as a captain] and have a thorough overhaul of what went on and what should go on.

Can the BCCI takes some steps like South Africa when they made Graeme Smith the captain? Clearly, there is no captain out there now..!

Posted by IndCricFan2013 on (August 18, 2014, 0:19 GMT)

Indian women got England women for 92. England men got Indian men for 94. 92 is lower total than 94. so, over all Indian women win!!! ( what else to say?)

Posted by   on (August 18, 2014, 0:04 GMT)

Indian teams is highly over rated team that cannot win anywhere other than in subcontinent.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 23:54 GMT)

The india that proposed two tier test and wants Bangladesh not to be part of test cricket at all, got out at 94 with an innings and 244 run defeat. They could have batted ten more times and never reach there. For the matter of fact they have the most humiliating test defeats in last four years. money cant buy tiers BCCI.and yes, kohli like any other indian batsmen has technique issues.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 23:44 GMT)

Glad that it was a 5 match series, had it been 7 match, i could imagine the scores. From 3rd test it was 330, 178, 152, 161, 148 and 94. If we played couple of more tests it would have been 80, 60, 40, 20 recording the lowest test score in history of cricket. Thanks BCCI and ECB for making it only 5 test series

Posted by sammysam on (August 17, 2014, 23:39 GMT)

Time to look forward. In order to do that MSD and Fletcher must step down. India were lucky to win 1 match. They will not be that lucky against the aussies with a team like that. The India A players who did well in the recent tour to Australia, must be called up to the national side and they must play a geniune leg spinner.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 23:28 GMT)

winning and loosing is part of the game but the funny thing is india lost last 2 games without even fighting lol i am a pak fan and i think pakistan team is way better then india in test eventhough we are about to loose the series against sri lanka we still fight hard we were down with one bowler nd we played with 3 bowlers and we put up a great fight and match is in fifth day even though we are playing second tine this year and our boys are more new to tests then yours but they hav a fighting sprit not like your tean

Posted by cricpanther on (August 17, 2014, 23:26 GMT)

Quick suggestion for BCCI, Drop Dhoni , Drop Kohli immediately from Test cricket. Do not consider Dhoni as Test Captain, as well as do not conside Virat for Odi Captain. Do consider wicket keepers like Robin Uthapa, Dinesh Karthik, Saha!!! Binny, Rahane, aren't Test Material. Same way, Why Dravid require as Batting consultant!! he did not do anything!! Rather without any consultation, Saurav Ganguly served more than him!! Make sure duncan also replaced soon by Ganguly!! Appoint Ravi Shastri as Chairman of Selection Commette. World cup is near and there is total blunder going on in team. When is the chance for young cricketers!! England look bit settle now and they are good for World Cup 2015, but where is India????

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 23:26 GMT)

Can't play on a surface that has a blade of grass on it, but nevermind, the next time a team tours India they'll be confronted with the usual slow-low grassless tracks, India will probably win the series, and they'll all be happy again! But as soon as they play on a pitch with a bit of grass on it ... Never won a Test series in Australia. Never won a Test series in South Africa. How's their record in England - one series win in the 1980s? Heck, even the Black Caps knocked them over last time in New Zealand. I look forward to Australia hosting India this summer and I hope there's plenty of grass in the tracks for Johnson & Co!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 23:19 GMT)

Are the Indian cricket team suffering from the same malaise as that currently infecting the English cricket team - namely that the bright lights and huge pay cheques of the (E/I)PL create a subconscious level of comfort that dampens one's desire to give 100% to their countries? I think they might be. I would argue that the players think that they are giving 100% but that the 100% that they think they are giving is considerably less than the 100% that is given by a player less insulated from the real world and less inured to the world of luxury and adoration inhabited by the celebrities who are the current inhabitants of their national jersey.

Posted by cricpanther on (August 17, 2014, 23:19 GMT)

Poor Dhoni!!! If I would be the Dhoni, I would give away my captaincy right away. Dhoni looks too greedy!! He wanted to capture every format and secure his place. He himself knew from the beginning that he is not a best wicket keeper himself or he is not the best batman or he is not best bowler. The only way to carry on and cementing place is to get India captaincy and then no one can remove him!!! Good thinking Dhoni but now it's all over for you. If you have any short of shame, give away your test captaincy. You been total failure and joke in Test cricket!!!

Posted by cricpanther on (August 17, 2014, 23:15 GMT)

Great Performance, specially impressed with Joe Root, Moin Ali, Balance, Broad, Anderson and Cook!! Now England should have belief that they can beat any of the team. Good things of England is that they have rich history of the game of cricket, Cricket born in England, Legends can guide England like Ian Botham, Nasser Hussain, Bumble, Mike Artherton, Andrew Strauss, Gower, Boycott and moreover international legends also help England like Michael Holding, etc. England has all infrastructure, cricket grounds, cricket conditions available!! England team is fitter than any of the cricketer, they have athletic body!! So I understand England should have eye on title for WORLD CUP 2015!!!

Posted by amuni12 on (August 17, 2014, 23:10 GMT)

Miserable performance from Indians. But, they are well known one day experts. Hopefully Virat Kohli and company show up at one day games show their colors.

Posted by priya65 on (August 17, 2014, 23:07 GMT)

Now they are talking about elite big 3 test playing nations doling out fixtures the way they please. When you go over the top sitting on the poor fan's dollars, you don't realize the value of humility. india had had their way for too long now. They have been mocking DRS. They have made every country adjust their fixtures to suit IPL because their players are human and want to earn some money. India have been putting their players on a pedestal and treating them as demigods. Tendulkar , Dravid and co had the common sense to understand and they knew how to handle the faith of billions of people. This is a group of prodigal misfits who don't want to put up a fight. Come next year IPL time we should remember when they come out with their Clubs that it is not far away from Bollywood what they do. Someone please tell them that Sixers are Sixers and not "sponsor's maximums". Wake up man this is not golf, There is no point in measuring boundaries by its horizontal range....

Posted by Amarjitmadan on (August 17, 2014, 22:58 GMT)

This victory is great and lot of credit goes to Cook.Let us remember the common saying that a captain is as good as his team is. It also means that English players were not performing well at all and the turn around came in both teams Camry from test number3. Indians started going goddess to , bad to worse in 3rd test and then worst which indirectly made Cook from a no good captain to a great captain and MSD from a good one to clueless and lost man. Does it mean they had really become like that, my answer to that is a Big No. Cook's reality check will be against Aussues and SA not forgetting the recent dubbing they had. MSD was no good a captain from last two years and now he really doesn't because unfortunately in cricke mad country like India there are going to be uncanny reactions which certainly are wrong but no one will be ale to stop that. It is not the end of the world for team India but need serious restructuring from a scratch not involving player who has been bough

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 22:55 GMT)

Nothing really to add to the general condemnation of India's approach, except to say they lost 20 wickets in this game in the virtual equivalent of a full single day's play. Shocking.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 22:48 GMT)

Hail to two tier test cricket that India keeps on proposing. and claiming themselves big 3. Please stop glorifying a mediocre team, for the sake of the game.

Posted by __PK on (August 17, 2014, 22:34 GMT)

Sreekanth Surendran, same result? You think they'll win one test in Australia?

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 22:27 GMT)

well some people say, this is result of post Sachin, Dravid, Laxman era. Well the trio was there in 4-0 whitewash in 2011 Eng tour and then again whitewash 4-0 in next Aus tour. They lost all ODIs as well on both the tours.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 22:25 GMT)

Lack of fighting spirit . No killer instinct attitude, total lack of application, dedication, grit,determination and rudderless endeavor significantly contributed to the loss. The Anderson-Jadeja episode also contributed to the morale and motivation on the part of the indian team. Very surprisingly poor performances by kohli, ,Dhawan. , Pujara led to the thrashing defeat by the English who were actually slated to be the somewhat underdogs.

Lessons learned- Analyzing the reason for defeats. Poor shots, poor fielding,giving runs away, etc. If players need to be in the team they have to take all corrective steps, eschew all the negative aspects and focus on better batting, bowling, catching etc.

Lots of net practice, ranji trophy , other first class matches. Proper selection ( horses for coarses policy),

Posted by Kelum_w on (August 17, 2014, 22:25 GMT)

@Viplav Murkudkar Australia did beat South Africa away from home?

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 22:20 GMT)

Root last 100 from just 70, wow. He sent message to team Dhoni, though he doesn't play IPL, he can play IPL style even in Tests as well !

Posted by __PK on (August 17, 2014, 22:16 GMT)

Really puts that 5-0 Ashes into perspective. India must be looking forward to coming down under.

Posted by gm47 on (August 17, 2014, 22:05 GMT)

@Viplav Murkudkar "that India are home track bullies lemme just ask you one thing..... Where did England win this series??? In England right???!! "

We also won in India too or did you choose to forget that :)

Posted by 5wombats on (August 17, 2014, 22:03 GMT)

@Viplav Murkudkar (August 17, 2014, 19:59 GMT) how about giving some credit? India had plenty of what you call "seniors" in 2011 in England - and they got whitewashed. India had plenty of seniors in India in 2012 when England toured India - and India still got beat. Remember? You say that; "India loses a few test series overseas .... and everyone loses their minds". The problem is not that India loses a few series - they lose every series. The problem is that India will not be a credible force in the world of Test cricket until it starts winning Test series overseas. Would you call Gambhir a senior? What happened to him? What's wrong with just saying "well played England - you were just too good for India"? Meanwhile - India needs to take a long hard look at whether it wants to play Test cricket and be taken seriously as a force in the world of Test cricket. On this showing it looks like it does not.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 22:02 GMT)

So I remember someone wrote sometime back "If Sri Lanka can win a tournament in England, imagine what India would do." well I feel ya bro you just got England on their feet again. Also kohli's total score in the tournament is 40 runs less than the extra England gave lol :P

Posted by anuradea on (August 17, 2014, 22:00 GMT)

I wonder what happened to all the indian big talkers who were trash talking the Sri Lankan team. Like England can only win in England, India seem to be able to win only in India, and then in Bangladesh!!!!!!! What pathetic display of overall cricket. Maybe the money paid to the players were not enough for them to bring out their IPL best. If india continues this form they will find it difficult to beat Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe. Too many high profile $ millioniers in the indian team where they find it difficult to find the time to spend at the crease. I hope a few of these players will get a long or permanent rest days as they were more interested in rest than working hard to save the series.

Posted by Chris_P on (August 17, 2014, 22:00 GMT)

@landl47. Both interesting @ good points re: Root. I believe the selectors did him a favour dropping him for the 5th test in Sydney, even though he didn't really deserve it. He did show plenty of fighting qualities in few of the tests but got worked over by some quality bowling, hardly a reason to dispense him. All in all, good signs for a turnaround, as you know it nevers happens quickly but satisfying when you see some light. Cheers. BTW, our per season training has started, so all is good!

Posted by 5wombats on (August 17, 2014, 21:49 GMT)

So - England hand India the third worst defeat in their Test history. A thrashing to end all thrashings. But India should be commended, they have actually done better here = The wombats calculated that this match lasted for 207 overs, the 4th Test at Old Trafford Test lasted 195.1 overs. At Old Trafford - if there had been no rain interruptions the match would have ended an hour into the third morning. Here at the Oval the Indians did better - without rain interruptions the match would have ended just before lunch on the third day. No - wait.... So, after this series win, coming on top of beating India in India 18 months ago - I'm not expecting to see any further disparaging comments from people like @Harmony111 whenever England lose in the future. To paraphrase Master Chef; "defeats don't come any tougher than this"....

Posted by heathrf1974 on (August 17, 2014, 21:45 GMT)

@Viplav Murkudkar I agree. Hopefully the team will be better for the experience. Remember as an Aussies' fan we got whitewashed by you guys in India with an inexperienced team as well. However, I thought England played some good cricket.

Posted by Chris_P on (August 17, 2014, 21:33 GMT)

@thozar. Really, knocking South Africa for not performing to your standards? One thing abut the Boks, they don't turn their toes up when it gets tough, sunshine. I think with his team @ #, he hasn't got too many worries. And trust me, they gave us some tough matches. As well.

Posted by Oz.karra on (August 17, 2014, 21:32 GMT)

Well well well.....has not it become the norm for Indian test side? No shock/surprise to me or any genuine cricket fan who follows the cricket. I say genuine, not those Indian ignorant air head fans! No lesson learnt from previous English tour or from Australian tour or from NZ tour and many more. Indian team is full of ego oozing and arrogant players. More often then not they are brought down to earth by these overseas series but then again they will go back to India and play home series and show individual performances by scoring 100s. Blindly religious Indian fan will jump in joy again. Players and BCCI will promise for better performances in future but I know it is all froth no content

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 21:19 GMT)

first of all BCCI should cut the non-performing player's salary, ban them from appearing in any advts. No teams except India enjoying this freedom. England Australia, Srilanka, West indiies are examples. THis tour has helped our players to build up their health, enough rest as Dhoni said. So no hard feelings. Whether u play or not u are paid. Send Murali Vijay, Useless Shikar Dhawan, Kohli, Pujara & Gambir back to India if a win atleast in ODI to be acieved. Other suggestion is don't send our team to foreign countries. useless IPL also will give them money. Shame, Shame.

Posted by sussexsunrisers on (August 17, 2014, 21:18 GMT)

As well as we played, especially the younger batsmen Ballance, Root and Buttler, India were really disappointing. I personally was looking forward to the idea of Pujara, Kohli and Rahane going head to head with the England middle order but really no Indian batsman showed up at all. @Viplav Mudkardkar: I'm sorry but India are comparatively home track bullies, remember England 2-1 win in India. But also, India have recently lost test series in New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and England. England drew in New Zealand, Australia won in South Africa, England did win in Australia three years back. All the other top test nations do win away from home, just look at South Africa, victories all over the sub continent.

Posted by sheru-sher on (August 17, 2014, 21:17 GMT)

I have a feeling that if the following players , despite their age at this time in history had played this series they would have done better

Gavaskar, Shastri, Vishwanath, Tendulkar, Dravid ,Samson , Laxman, Kapildev, Shrinath,Kumble, and Chandrashekar.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 21:16 GMT)

Is it just me or has India's performances in test matches gone downhill since the creation of the IPL? You will never get another batsman with the true grit of Tendulkar or Dravid when all you flash is money to the IPL. What are the youth going to be attracted to....instant money and movie stars, or the more respected skill and honour of test cricket.

Posted by cleanshoes86 on (August 17, 2014, 21:16 GMT)

Great performance from England since Lords. India were terrible but the ruthlessness from England has been great to see.

Still think Australia are huge huge favourites for the Ashes next year but should still be a contested series:

Viplav Murkudkar: You refer to England as home track bullies inferring they cannot win away. Remind me what happened when England last toured India?

Posted by MeTalHeD69 on (August 17, 2014, 21:14 GMT)

@crindex Being beaten by an innings and 244 runs, after other innings defeats, is a humiliation. Whatever happened in the Jadeja-Anderson incident doesn't change the fact that India were thrashed. They can be as homesick as they want to be, but they were there to do a job and compete. They didn't compete very well at the end of the series. @Viplav Murkudkar You're right about the home bullies but I think people were looking for reasons why India lost as badly as they did. India are renown for not being good travellers and what many fans are saying is that they can see the contrast between when India plays at home - batsmen score many runs - and when they have to play in different conditions. Scoring big at home gets peoples' hopes up so they're devastated when their team is soundly beaten. I think only SA travels well and beats teams in different conditions. As you say, England and Australia don't always travel well either but they're higher up on the ratings log.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 21:06 GMT)

@ Viplav 100% agree on Viplav we should all stop calling ourselves flat track bullies. SL,India, Pakistan are a place on the earth, and for some reason we don't produce fast tracks like in England, Australia or New Zealand. Does that makes the sub-continent pitches sub-standard. NO. It is a type of a pitch. That is it.

Posted by whirlaway on (August 17, 2014, 20:57 GMT)

Indian selectors should ask that touring Indian Test teams will only play 3-day or 4-day unofficial "Tests" henceforth. And a max of 3 "Tests" per tour.

After they manage to not lose 3 consecutive series, they can think of going back to the 5-day Test format.

Posted by Nathan_123 on (August 17, 2014, 20:54 GMT)

This is the big difference between Eng and Ind, where one team had the stomach for fight and the other clearly didn't. The clear difference between the SL side (who visited in the Spring, which is the worst condition for any touring team to play) and the Indian side is that SL had a stomach for fight. They were determined, gutsy and matched the English aggressiveness. I believe Ind would learn few lessons from SL.

Posted by philander50 on (August 17, 2014, 20:53 GMT)

@thozar - we may not have won the world cup but at least we can win a test series and you also might want to look at this link:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/engine/match/441825.html

ohhh it looks like steyn did quite well in the next test and the only reason you beat AUS is because of your pitches and you DREW a series in AUS, welllll done, come back when you can win back to back series.

Posted by Mutukisna on (August 17, 2014, 20:43 GMT)

What hurts India & Indian fans most is that they could not better or even replicate the winning performance of the Sri Lankans under more trying and more unfamiliar conditions earlier this summer. Lets see whether they could even replicate the performance of the Sri Lankans in the ODIs.

Posted by zzby on (August 17, 2014, 20:39 GMT)

The best strategy would be separate batting lineup for test outside India , Sehwag and Sanju Samson would have been better choice. They should give to A team player who have performed overseas.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 20:35 GMT)

BCCI should seriously think to sack the coach . That it solves 50% problem. We really do not understand what is the role of coach when he could not motivate the team . When the team could not play even for one session what the coach given the coaching or techniques ? It was really shame for the Indian team that they could not defend either ways when they play , they fail to defend themselves. The casual approach of the players did all the scene without serious commitment . Winning or losing is a different issue but not losing the matches without a fight and surrendering their talents . Indian team should think now what is to be done ? I endorse the comments of Sehachalam -- sack the coach and captain . First sack the coach and appoint indian coach.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 20:30 GMT)

@Deep Mjp Srikanth selected a side which lost 0-8 in oveseas. definitely India's new talent limited to indian sub continent. Poor pitches in made it worse. You have to blame yourself for this. we are just giving too much money for our cricketers. Time to leave cricket.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 20:29 GMT)

@Viplav Murkudkar Just answer me two things. What was the scoreline when England last played a Test series in India (hint: it was after they beat India 4-0 at home)? And how many Tests has Dhoni won overseas and how many has Cook?

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (August 17, 2014, 20:25 GMT)

All I can say is - shame shame ! Mr. Dhoni, please leave the captaincy with immediate effect. Time to move on. Yes, the players have all changed but the leadership remains muddled with the same old ideas and obsolete thinking. Oh and that also goes to you Mr. Fletcher. Fletcher and Dhoni should resign immediately. Otherwise expect another similar performance in Australia later this year. I won't congratulate England because let's be realistic, India lost this series instead of England winning it. Besides, England can only play test cricket and in their home conditions, they are as good as other quality test sides. This is an all-time low for Indian cricket. Pathetic to say the least.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 20:21 GMT)

samson's selection for 1day is a good sign for world cup 2015 but i am damn sure stubborn dhoni will never give him a run before the 5th odi(i pray msd prove me wrong here ) stubborn dhoni will play rahane/ rayudu in 2down where samson should play probably dhoni's team will be: 1)dhawan2)rohit3)virat4)rahane/rayudu5) raina6)msd7)jadeja 8)ashwin/binny9)mohit10)bhuv 11)shami/umesh

but after loosing the odi series for the 5th odi he will bring samson & umesh & karan in and will make them unrecognized & unappreciated ,

First of all some one should do something to change this kind of stubborn attitude of not giving chances to youngsters, please try them in the first game itself if they fail it doesn't matter anyway you are going fail why cant u give a shot. the IX for one day should be 1)dhawan/rahane2)rohit3)virat4)samson5)raina6)msd7)jadu8)ashwin/karan 9)bhuv10) shami11)umesh please dont give chances to mohit and rayudu they belong to ranji and IPl only

Posted by Naresh28 on (August 17, 2014, 20:20 GMT)

PATHETIC, SPINELESS display from team India. Send most of them back to domestic cricket. Bring in Samson, Naman Ohja, Kedar Yadav. Sanju Samson should take over the number 4 slot (a good talent) KOHLI should go back to his private life - he has been going downhill ever since. Even DHONI needs to be sacked as he brings nothing new to TEST matches. Enough excuses from all of them - why do we need a foreign coach?

Posted by Cric__Dude on (August 17, 2014, 20:19 GMT)

Congrats England. You were better. Dhoni please quit tests. Clearly not Indian test side's future. Even Parthiv Patel or Vinay Kumar (look at their domestic captaincy an their performances as well) will captain the test side much better. Samson should be tried immediately. I don't understand why he has to take the T20I->ODI->Test route. If he performs well in the limited overs format, he will be branded ODI or T20I player and his test status will be questioned for every failure of his. He should be tried in the next test match itself. Captaincy? Thats a big task, maybe get back Sehwag for 1 or 2 years until we find next test captain. We definitely need separate players for Tests and limited overs. Same players playing all 3 formats is really silly. Look at Aussies boss. Whether they lose or win, their selection process, captaincy and tactics are superb. And finally our coach. Paddy Upton/Wasim Akram/Warne/Paul Collingwood/Strauss/Gilly should definitely come in. Duncan is outdated.

Posted by PrasPunter on (August 17, 2014, 20:15 GMT)

@thozar , why dont you indian fans for a change accept that your team just doesn't make the cut !! Winning a WC alone is not the criteria for greatness !! It is just a cherry-on-top-of-cake stuff. You guys miss the cake and bother a lot about the cherry !! On any day, Eng and SA are far superior than your much-hyped team !! So much for your board's dominance !!! Humility is not a bad thing, you know..

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 20:08 GMT)

To be pedantic, Botham took 383 not 373 test wickets!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 20:07 GMT)

great show by england warriors. .i really salute eng players the way they played and thrashed indian(champions).no mercy for poor indians..:)

Posted by crindex on (August 17, 2014, 20:00 GMT)

To say its a humiliation is rubbish and irresponsible. Indian boys were clearly homesick after the Jadeja-Anderson incident and left with no desire to be in England let alone play. This series, at best , is a lesson for the youngsters in the team. ODI is not going to be any different unless new blood is introduced such as Sanju Samson, Karan Sharma , Raina and Mohit Sharma. This test team has had enough and is ready to get out of England .

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:59 GMT)

Some of the comments here are really stupid!! People saying that India's test satatus should be revoked or that we are a worse team than bangladesh or that India are home track bullies lemme just ask you one thing..... Where did England win this series??? In England right???!! And if i recall correctly didnt they get whitewashed a few months back in Australia and before that didnt they deafeat them in the previous ashes series??? So arent they too home track bullies??? Even Australia lost in England and were whitewashed in India but won at home.... But no one calls them home track bullies... But India loses a few test series overseas with a young inexperienced team and everone loses there minds!!! In this series no one except Dhoni and Ishant had played in England before and Ishant didnt play 2 tests... The team didnt have many seniors but still managed to win a test and draw one... So please stop commenting stupid things

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (August 17, 2014, 19:58 GMT)

This has hurt the Indian batsman in more ways than one. Kohli's average in England is currently 13.4 from 5 Test Matches and Pujara's is 22. It will be extremely extremely hard to get that average to increase. Even Tendulkar (who played 200 matches) was only able to play 17 matches in England. It is safe to say that unless they are in whirlwind form on their next tour of England, both Kohli and Pujara will have very low averages in England. This will haunt them for the rest of their career as they will never be compared to the greats of the past due to their low low average in England

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:58 GMT)

Best Medicine for this Injury is to play two 5 match home seris with Zimbabwe and Bangladesh , On second thought Scrap Bangladesh and Invite Kenyans . Then India can top the rankings and feel proud .

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:58 GMT)

Would be really glad if the Indian fans can spare the houses of the players at least this time... lol :D

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 19:57 GMT)

sril won series with 1st match draw and 2nd match win,similarly indian stats were same in first two matches. if slankan were play 5 test whole they might be loose with 3-1....won or loose is part of game plz plz dont critiszz anyone

Posted by k243_gsa on (August 17, 2014, 19:57 GMT)

dear dhoni poor dhoni. the luckiest of the captains.earlier stages of his leadership he enjoyed the luxury of fortune even when he didnt deserve.he used all of his fortune cards.he got a team full of legends.they did all the hard work and dhoni claimed the fame.now Mr.Poor-MSD has team full of some rubbish stupid over rated over confident kids.they are doing all the dumb work and dhoni is getting all the blame.

Posted by Rom1966 on (August 17, 2014, 19:56 GMT)

@man90 you should focus on your own team pathetic performances , Sri Lanka will be fine. To lose in under 3 days by an innings and 244 is just shameful . Spineless . Well played. England .

Posted by RajarshiC on (August 17, 2014, 19:56 GMT)

MSD is only two overseas Test losses away from becoming the Indian captain with most number of overseas Test losses....a feat, that in all probabilities will be achieved in Australia this year......so much for being the most successful captain everl....his overseas record shows that he, at best, has been a lucky captain and a string of wrong decisions in this series shows that even after so many years in international cricket, he has not developed a bit as a Test captain....

Posted by Kotuwegogoda on (August 17, 2014, 19:55 GMT)

Philander's one line comment summed up the five test series which last time was four. One test from Srilanka was cut and added to new member in big three. Money can't buy genuine result. It's talent and hard work. I commented recently IPL and it's money lured many to play shortest format game. Hit sixers after six and hear loud applause. The players gotten used to batting an inning in twenty overs. Don't you think capitulation for 94 and 148 it's inning like playing two T20 games? Test match of five days end in two and half days. You can draw the conclusion.

What Indian board and cricket administrators need to do is an infrastrucural change i.e create sporting wickets that has something for spinners and fast bowlers. Also equal number of green top bouncy tracks. A crop of emerging young players should be given opportunity to play Ranji Trophy games in alien conditions on a regular basis and compete more often and reduce the level of T20 games. Test cricket is the ultimate satisfaction

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:53 GMT)

same will be the fate in the ODIs

Posted by landl47 on (August 17, 2014, 19:50 GMT)

I want to comment on the statement in the article that 'Pujara and Virat Kohli have the talent and patience to bat for days'. Pujara, yes, but Kohli?

Kohli is 25 and has played 29 tests. He has 6 hundreds; in order of size they are 119, 116, 107, 105*, 103, 103.

Compare that with Joe Root, who is a couple of years younger, has played 22 tests and got 5 hundreds. His scores are 200*, 180, 154*, 149* and 104. I watched him walk off after his 104, his first test century, against New Zealand. If he was proud and happy, he didn't show it; he was FURIOUS with himself for getting out. I knew then he would be something special.

Whether it's because 100 is a good score in short-format cricket, or lack of stamina or concentration on Kohli's part, I don't know. The fact is he doesn't yet show the talent and/or the patience to bat for days. Until he does, he won't be a great player.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:49 GMT)

what's the meaning of taking 18 men if they wont get chance ... Rohit failed in south Africa ...it was his first overseas tour though he has been dropped ..let me see what's Indian team management have guts to dropped kohli pujara or even giving rest .... am a great supporter of ICT but for the first time I feel shame on this team ...

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 19:47 GMT)

With ODI series next, India will look to regain some confidence as they go with their strength, that is limited overs cricket. I think BCCI should arrange test series with Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, West Indies to develop a test team without losing more confidence.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:47 GMT)

With Rookie selectors & pathetic stubborn captain & amateur coach India can never perform well,Not only in overseas conditions even in home conditions also. "we all miss krish srikanth" Selecting a team is all about putting out the right combination with right balance srikanth has done it well in the past that's why we have the world cup 50 over and t20, But this new selection panel is pathetic they dont know which kind of people to pick for the game ,rahane is a test player like pujara i dont know why the hell his name is on the one day squad,rayudu he doesn't belong to any international format but he is on 50 over and t20 team for a while,pankaj singh he is 29 why cant the selectors give the opportunity to a youngster like umesh,bumrah,kaul..etc or any body who is young who can be there for a long run ,jadeja belong to t20 and 50 over,these silly mistakes are funny to look on which no other countries will do,please change those simple things definitely india will bounce back.

Posted by thozar on (August 17, 2014, 19:46 GMT)

@TommyTuckerSaffa, a little reminder about what happened when your great team played a a test in India last:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/engine/match/441826.html

Your great Steyn was also playing but it appears that he didn't do anything great, lol.

This shows that every team can win or lose on any day. It is not like S Africa have won everything they played. Your lot has not win a single world cup till date. The world cup is more important than any meaningless test match which no one remembers about. First teams like S Africa, Enland, and NZ should win a world cup and then we can talk.

Victory or defeat is common in sports. So learn to respect other teams.

Posted by Tysonlanka on (August 17, 2014, 19:45 GMT)

It's simple even the great Indian Batting line up can't face when the blowing is on top. We saw this is 2011 when they toured UK and it has proven again. Mr. Ravi was complaining that the wickets are prepared to fit for England, but i would like to remind you Mr. Ravi that this team lost a match because they were unable to pick Moheen Ali part timer who ended the series with 19 wickt. what has happened to Ashvi the big boy with lot of words can you give me some explanation??? they simply could not meet up with England well said caption.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:42 GMT)

Moein bowled a single over in first inning. Ian Botham : 383 wkts not 373,

Posted by k243_gsa on (August 17, 2014, 19:41 GMT)

this series has clearly proven that these ipl junkies cannot grow high w/o domestic practice....they should play county, ranji or any other class level tournaments rather than making money in ipl. ipl is just ruining them. ban ipl play class cricket during that time and see the results.sheer lack of class level experience.making 3 ranji 100s doesnt mean you are a legend and hv achieved everything and need not do anything more

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:40 GMT)

ndia should be relegated to tier 2 of non test playing teams and must play qualifier to play against test playing teams.

Posted by anupkeni on (August 17, 2014, 19:38 GMT)

Team India and M S Dhoni in particular were more obsessed with the Jadeja-Anderson incident rather than winning this series. Team India consisting of 'batting superstars' like Cheteswar Pujara and Virat Kohli getting bowled out for under 200 in 5 consecutive innings is simply unacceptable. Team India gifting away 19 wickets to a part-time off-spinner like Moeen Ali is simply pathetic. Team India's victory at Lord's was an aberration as it came after 15 winless tests overseas and has been followed by 3 successive drubbings. In this series India scored 2548 runs for 99 wickets in 10 innings while England scored 2665 runs for just 60 wickets in just 8 innings. That is the contrast between the two sides in this series. After every defeat suffered by Team India overseas, M S Dhoni always says that process is more important than results. This 'process' could well lead to another 0-4 whitewash of Team India in Australia this winter.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:37 GMT)

well onother important 2 more day break b4 ODIs...

Posted by NoIPL on (August 17, 2014, 19:37 GMT)

I feel Priorities seems to have changed since 2011 world cup win. If India doesnt want to play test cricket atleast it should not play a 5 test series.

If this was a 3 test series Indian team would have happily gone home with series tied (1-1).

But anyway its good that our superstars have been foud out. Hopefully this would give us not have high expectations to about this indian team to win consistently abroad.

If they manage to win any it is a bonus. Moreover,its better to start looking at other sports where india is doing really well.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:37 GMT)

Now I feel shame of being indian cricket fan....It seems no one really takes the responsibility, very much humiliating..

Posted by rkannancrown on (August 17, 2014, 19:35 GMT)

In the third test, India made 2 changes - Rohit for Binny & Pankaj Singh for Ishaant. The real mistake was to ignore Ashwin and Aaron in that game. The second major mistake was to drop so many catches. Clearly, the team has an unsettled look - problems at the top with Vijay looking good at the begining of the series,but not as effective at the end, question marks over Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli & Rahane. The bowlers, as is quite often the case, bowled well but without runson board, they could defend nothing and the fielding rarely supported the bowlers. Dhoni needs to accept that the list of good spin bowlers does not include Jadeja. Apart from Ashwin, there are Ojha, Mishra, Harbhajan, & many more but not Jadeja. The BCCI also needs to get rid of Fletcher who inherited a good team but has seen it go downhill during his time. Wright & Kirsten brought the team forward but Fletcher is clearly a failiure.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (August 17, 2014, 19:34 GMT)

@Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist, Thank you, I thought the Indian bowlers could hold thier heads up, Aaron, Sharma and Kumar will form the basis of a very good attack over the next few years, they need to work on thier fitness levels and No-balling habit.

Pujara could do with a 8 game stint in County cricket, at the start of the season, but will he give up a lucrative IPL contract.

The fielding has been poor from india in the last three tests, they must have put down at least 10 chances, and Dhoni refused at least another 3 or 4 that went between him and first slip.

The BCCI need to run an enquiry like the Aussies did after 2010/11, England after 2006/7 to find out what they can do to improve the situation, and someone needs to cause a few heads to roll, to kick the others up the Backside.

Posted by landl47 on (August 17, 2014, 19:34 GMT)

What must be especially disturbing to the Indian management is that the side got steadily worse over the course of the 5 tests. Discounting the first game, on that dreadful lifeless wicket at Trent Bridge, India played pretty well in the second test, collapsed in the 2nd innings of the third after England had run up 569-7, collapsed twice in the 4th test for 152/161 and twice more in the 5th for 148 and 94. England's last 3 wickets got more runs in an hour today than India's 10 in the second innings- and 2 of the 3 wickets were umpiring errors!

Far from learning from experience, the players forgot what they were doing well at the start of the series. In contrast to England, who adjusted and got better, India sank ever deeper into the mire.

This morning's debacle, when Dhoni lost control of the side altogether, has to ring alarm bells with the Indian management. Clearly India need a new direction in tests. Can Dhoni give it to them? This series would seem to suggest the answer is no.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:32 GMT)

It's high time, some heads must roll. Duncan Fletcher and Dhoni have come full circle. Dhoni's wicket keeping is as bad as sleep catching. If nothing is done now then let's prepare ourselves for new lows in Australia.

Posted by k243_gsa on (August 17, 2014, 19:32 GMT)

if any of these kiddos has even lil bit of shame left in them or if any1 has really learnt by accepting their mistakes they should openly come in media and say sorry to their die hard fans.....

Posted by Chris_P on (August 17, 2014, 19:28 GMT)

That was as bad as capitulation on the test fields as I have ever seen. Well done to England, but India really did turn over & turned their toes up. I feel sorry for the genuine Indian cricket fans, you deserve better than this, losses you can take if your team has put up a solid performance, but this sort of spineless effort hits hard.

Posted by Slogtime on (August 17, 2014, 19:28 GMT)

Just wondering how this team will face Johnson & Co in Australia ... .... Now they will perform good in ODI .... and the BCCI will as usual forget the results ..... let the music starts now ..... No More IPL for this youngsters

Posted by kc69 on (August 17, 2014, 19:24 GMT)

Lets spare 2 minutes in silence for the supporters of Gautam Gambhir and Stuart Binny.Tell me how These two are better than Virender Sehwag and Irfan Pathan.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:22 GMT)

Happened always. Hell they managed to win the first test was also cause of dead pitch.. England learned from their mistake and improved their pitches in next matches.

Posted by debut_at_31 on (August 17, 2014, 19:21 GMT)

"The hardest mistakes to learn from are those that lack consequence."-Jasper Sole.

None of the players will get a good dressing down. They will all still get paid crores of rupees. And us fans will hope and pray and take leave from work to watch them again when they tour Australia. Playing the game because it is an honour to represent one's country died a long time ago for our tattooed princes. Now it's about the money and only about the money. So my suggestion- hit them where it hurts. Payment should reflect performance. This humiliating series will be forgotten the moment one of our super stars scores a 50 or hits a few sixes in the upcoming one day matches. I'm done wasting time watching this team. After all I need to work to earn my living.

p.s- The last person I saw who had total control of the cricket ball was Wasim Akram. It was a treat to watch Jimmy Anderson this month. Well done England.

Posted by Click_Click_Cricket on (August 17, 2014, 19:20 GMT)

Sorry to say this - India is a very poor test team away, particularly against Eng, Aus, NZ and SA. India's away test performance is worse than BD and Zim.

Posted by Solid_Snake on (August 17, 2014, 19:20 GMT)

I hope that now Kohli would come back to Earth once again.This thrashing would help him understand that he is just good on Flat tracks & a big failure outside India.Pujara who was scoring piles of runs..His guns are also gone rusty..lol..Those who were scoring centuries one after another..All of those Indian batsmen are now struggling to get into a double figure.Can't even score 10 runs..lol

Posted by man90 on (August 17, 2014, 19:20 GMT)

@Herath-UK and Other Sri Lankan Fans:

You are jumping over the sea when you won against in Headingley. But 2 test match series win is hilarious. If India had two test match series, India would have won 1-0 and if there was a third test match it was drawn 1-1. India had few decisions going against them in LBW's. If it were given, India wouldn't have lost 3-1. Also Sri lanka had Sanga, Mahela and herath who are well past 35. With next series, if they can bring avg age group of 25 and win it, then they can be called as super great team. Let the above three retire and the world will show SL where they stand.

Posted by Chandima.Ceylon on (August 17, 2014, 19:18 GMT)

Do not worry indians.let us put pressure on ODI series and shall have a good chance.This test series is not too bad as 2011 since you won at least one.Sri Lankans are always with you!

Posted by mikkkk on (August 17, 2014, 19:16 GMT)

Ive been reports in the Indian media that MSD is on the verge of resigning the captaincy. Apparently he has said he has taken the team as far as he can.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:16 GMT)

Let them live in their IPL and lala land. Test cricket is not india's cookie. Well played england.

Posted by thozar on (August 17, 2014, 19:14 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa, worry about your own team which lost at home. Where were you when your over-rated team got thrashed by Oz home and away when they had McGrath and Warne? India were the only team to challenge that Oz team. We beat them at home and drew away. Your lot even lost a test to Sri Lanka at home, what a shame. Sri Lanka have never defeated us at home.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:13 GMT)

India should only play test mach against Zimbabwe in India.

Posted by Charindra on (August 17, 2014, 19:12 GMT)

India.. what a pathetic team. Lions at home, kittens abroad.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 19:11 GMT)

Just don't know how to react for the world champions indian team when you are at your agressive best on flat pitches in india and when you reach overseas you are all at sea. Missing my legends sachin,dravid,laxman,ganguly

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:10 GMT)

india should concentrate on kabaddi kabaddi.

Posted by Stumay on (August 17, 2014, 19:07 GMT)

What a joke India are. Two series in a row in England that have just been comedy gold for the rest of the world. 20/20 has ruined their batsmen who have no technique on anything other than flat ironing board pitches where they can just slog over midwicket or over the covers and their bowlers have no ability to bowl long spells to set a batsman up or out-think him. Big changes need to be made if India want to compete again at test level.

Posted by man90 on (August 17, 2014, 19:06 GMT)

To all fans(Indian and other friendly countries who enjoy if india lose)

Yes India played badly. Even England lost to Australia 5-0 in Australia, does that mean they are fast track(Seam and Swing) bullies. Any team can win in their pitches Come on, please give a break.

Everything did not go well from 3rd test starting from Ishant injury to Jadeja drop to pankaj unlucky LBW shout to bell to Cook returning to form to Anderson escaping from ICC Judgement.

There were many optimistic fans like me who wanted to win or atleast put up a fight which was missed completely in England. Dhoni body language suggests that he may not test series in England here after,.India will come back strongly when they come to England next time around.

Che Pu and Kohli did not play well. Rahane was okay. Rohit did not do much. These four will come back strongly next time and silence their critics.Wait and watch. Nobody will remove India's test status.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:06 GMT)

dhoni should be stripped off captaincy....when he is given credit for winning he should also be blamed for this miserable show...some people will say dat what can do if his player's r not performing...if it is da case why should we have captains if he's not made responsible for the team's such a shameful performance.....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:06 GMT)

the problem with India is that we are not ready to loose on our own soil,unless we not prepare good bouncy and supporting wickets in place of dead or spinning wickets we can not win any series outside sub -continent,doing that we may loose some matches or even some series but in the long run it will benefit Indian cricket,Dhoni should quit test captaincy and Fletcher should be sacked.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:05 GMT)

India lions at home, mice in overseas

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 19:00 GMT)

Botham has 383 wickets in tests; not 373!

Posted by Kays789 on (August 17, 2014, 19:00 GMT)

So this test started a day after the one between SL & Pak and it ends a day before that game does. Says a lot about this abysmal indian team.

Posted by Shamshad05 on (August 17, 2014, 19:00 GMT)

India surely missing the likes of Tendulkar,Dravid and Sehwag.

Posted by m_ilind on (August 17, 2014, 18:56 GMT)

Post Sachin era, the Indian team has descended into mediocrity very quickly indeed. The team has lost it's standard, batting has been very substandard, while the bowling was always a bogey. There is not enough real talent from what we have witnessed, and if the trend continues, the spectators will lose interest. BCCI's economy is in danger!

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 18:54 GMT)

I still wonder, why india could not select Dinesh Karthick who was batting superbly in their series against England in England couple of years ago. He played against these swing bowlers better than Sachin, Dravid and Ganguly in that series. He is in prime form and still not picked. He should have played as a pure Batsman atleast . When selecting teams for overseas assignments BCCI should give priority to the players who had proved themselves in overseas conditions and not to those who perform well in IPL and home ground series. I would blame selectors as well. India better luck next time.

Posted by thozar on (August 17, 2014, 18:52 GMT)

Kohli has been kept quiet, credit and well done to the England bowlers for that. But somebody is gonna pay soon. Either the English bowlers in one day or the Aussies. But somebody is gonna pay for sure.

There was very little time in this packed series to rectify some technical problems. When India return, Kohli will have some time to reflect on it and will have the West Indies to work with before the more demanding Oz tour. Even last time he signed off with a century when everyone else including Laxman and Dravid failed. I think he was the only ton maker for India in that series. A soft series against the West Indies at home may not be ideal preparation but it will serve Kohli well before the Oz tour.

I still believe in the Indian team. But please, please, please sack Fletcher.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:51 GMT)

Indian batting overrated, bowling was used inappropriately, and no innovations in the field. Too many dropped catches, and England was cold blooded.

Posted by crindo77 on (August 17, 2014, 18:51 GMT)

Spot on @Calvin Palmer Warbah !! Thats EXACTLY what he said. Any thoughts on Euromillions nos this week?

Posted by rajeshbachani on (August 17, 2014, 18:47 GMT)

What a pathetic looking Indian team and support staff. I can only say, no one has stood up, and everyone has given up. There has been no fight worthwhile of respect. Even West Indies would have fought harder than this, and earned respect. Indian cricket, which is one of the most established and widespread, going through such a time is really sad, and it is the people in the game, and off the field to be blamed for this. Dhoni - is it really hard to motivate your team, and push them to deliver the best. They have done good, what is the problem now? Is it that the ball is moving or swinging too much in the air, that the Indian batsmen are not able to understand? If that is the case, then do they even deserve to play in an international environment? They are international level batsmen, and how could they just succumb to the same way of getting out? Most of the catches are in slips, and most of the deliveries are out swingers, which they nick. Don't they know what is going on?

Posted by Pindia on (August 17, 2014, 18:46 GMT)

England did well... however, this was more due to India's lack of commitment and technique. Surely this is all an example of the riches of IPL sponsorship diminishing the value of test cricket. These were two mediocre teams and England quite rightly dominated in the end. There were some poor decisions and DRS would have helped, but only the Indians are to blame about that... Indians do not play county cricket they say because they don't have time but really they don't have the inclination. With the two best spinners in the world 'slumming it' in County Cricket (Ajmal) or working in a bank (Herath) this highlights why India are the third best Asian side at present. Yes the might of Indian cricket is good in a way, but they clearly have not got the balance right. India could have competed well in this series. Presumably they will still challenge and probably win the one day series but is that a real consolation? The feat of Sri Lanka beating England in all formats is highlighted!

Posted by fr600 on (August 17, 2014, 18:46 GMT)

Hahahaha, this is a funny and amazing result. Humiliated! People should know where they belong before talking next time.

Posted by Balancer on (August 17, 2014, 18:43 GMT)

What in the heaven's could have gone wrong? Psychological? How is it possible that innings after innings, the top order crumbled without offering any resistance. It simply defies logic. The law of averages certainly demands that consistency in any form good performance or bad performance otherwise be broken. And the sad part is this is perhaps the only Indian side so far which boasted of a couple of good seam bowlers, the norm otherwise being that we never had a good supporting bowler from Kapil Dev, to Srinath to Zaheer Khan. Our woes outside India always has been bowling, but when the bowling clicked, (Ishant, Kumar, Aaron), our top order batting collapsed completely and never looked like they could trouble the England's seamers at any time

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:43 GMT)

India should play more IPL Matches....Then they will improve..

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 18:40 GMT)

Dhoni made excuse of the team being young and requiring time to get mature. Let assume he is correct. 3 years later, on next Eng tour, he will excuse on loss like, this team is aged now and lacks young faces, we will look forward to add more youngs in the future.

Posted by Kays789 on (August 17, 2014, 18:39 GMT)

All other teams should take note. If your team/players are woefully out of form and miserably short on confidence, just arrange a home tour against the indians. You'll be world beaters in no time at all.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 18:35 GMT)

Actually I think India should release msd from test captaincy asap.it has been a guareteed spot for him to be a captain until he take his retirement. There is no process without struggle. But struggle also means another way of fight. It was not fighting it was surrendering.

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 18:35 GMT)

If there would have been next match in the series, Eng could have safely won the match without batting either innings, with their past lead over India...!

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 18:34 GMT)

what a joke. suddenly England become the superforce of cricket thank to some under 15 cricket of the others. why 5 match series. give them 7 insted of 5. good for the DEATH of cricket

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 18:33 GMT)

they were so eager to join dance club, party, they could not stop them for more than 30 overs! London is here... come on enjoy...no more chance!

Posted by Twinkie on (August 17, 2014, 18:33 GMT)

Very poor selection by the Indians. Why drop Dharwan as soon as he started to negotiate the foreign conditions better and bring in Gambhir who would have to start from scratch.This was just one symptom of their poor reasoning. One has to remember that there are no matches against the county teams as in years gone by. These matches used to help touring teams to adjust their techniques to the conditions. Now they have to do it during the test series. That is why most teams become hometown bullies and flounder helplessly on overseas tours. This team obviously disintegrated mentally much the same way as England did in Australia. Makes for boring cricket. But the object of cricket is only to make money not to see which is the best team in all conditions, nor to treat the fans. Why can't we have matches against counties and states and so on as we did before?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:32 GMT)

come on no need to worry England is coming soon to emirates for another white wash

Posted by Kays789 on (August 17, 2014, 18:32 GMT)

What an awful team and a miserable performance. Just stop playing test cricket already. No one wants to see such hapless performances time and time again. No amount of money and resources in the world can buy talent or dedication to their craft and this indian team is a prime example of that.

Posted by Old_Legend on (August 17, 2014, 18:31 GMT)

The Subcontinent and Flat Pitch Bullies

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:30 GMT)

as a captain dhoni played calm in 1st innings and got 80+. if not, he might go with single digit. team India earned a lot in ipl. this loss won't hurt them only the die hard fans. the same way, india is going to loose in Australia.

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 18:30 GMT)

ya, its right as Kimber supports words by Dhoni, Victory doesn't matter for them, what's important is process, process of humiliation.

Posted by mzm149 on (August 17, 2014, 18:29 GMT)

All the Sri Lankan fans who are saying that they comprehensively beat England in test series are over reacting. Both the games were decided in last over of the play and England was unlucky in both of them. These five test series or at least four test series really decide which team is better. Its impossible for a team to get unlucky 4 or 5 consecutive times as compared to 2 times. This is what we saw in current Indian series and the result would have been quite opposite to what they actually were had Sri Lanka played a long series.

Posted by Nick-hill on (August 17, 2014, 18:27 GMT)

SajithaD and Haq33

Indian team was built on hype? Well good going, mates. Apparently a big series loss also means the previous Indian teams were overhyped as well. God bless your judgements.

And thanks for reaffirming my belief that for every Indian performance, you keep bringing mention of a corresponding Pak/SL performance and go on proving how they're better. Can you guys please wait till we have a bilateral series and the World Cup next year? By the result, we can only judge England to be a better team than India, we can by no way predict if SL is better. Funny things happen in sports. Looks like SL/PAK are way happier than their English counterparts at the series result. War of words aside, let's wait for face to face battles before jumping to any conclusion.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:27 GMT)

any player/coach in this world would prefer to resign from his job after such humiliating performances in the overseas over the period of last 3 years but Dhoni & Fletcher are REAL EXCEPTIONS.

Posted by niskris on (August 17, 2014, 18:27 GMT)

New bunch of players are new and not used to foreign conditions. But you know what they will never get used to foreign conditions, because they don't get that experience anymore. Back in the days Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Zaheer they all played County Cricket that gave a big learning experience as far as playing in seaming conditions go. But now with advent of IPL, BCCI will never allow any of these new guys to play outside of India. SO what we see now is, new guys from rest of the world teams getting better than our so called "World champions". Its time BCCI think less about money and more about improvement of the players and the game

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 18:24 GMT)

The team which struggle more than India after exit of experienced players, the team which went win-less for 10 tests, won against a team which was No.1 team not more than 8months back, by 266 runs, innings and 54 runs , and an now combining previous both win, innings and 244 runs. Seems Eng is playing to a minnow.

Posted by BlackHawk on (August 17, 2014, 18:23 GMT)

Watching India's performance in this series just makes me admire the performance of the Sri Lankan team in the Spring/early Summer series. The Indian team had pristine conditions to play in compared to the Sri Lankans and their performance was absolutely pathetic!

Posted by Chaitanyareddy90 on (August 17, 2014, 18:23 GMT)

another defeat for india.please remove dhoni from captaincy not from the team. search a quality and aggressive captain in domestic bring them in to the team directly like baily(ghabhir is perfect but he didn't maintain good average like 30-35).please stop selection of ravi jadeja,ghambhir. my team for ausis tour vijay,rahane,pujara,virat,saha,klrahul,rayudu,tiwary(cap),,umesh,varun,ishant,bhuvi, rishi dhawan,shami,misra,ojha,ankit bhawne or any plyer asa a captain.

Posted by bootlicker on (August 17, 2014, 18:23 GMT)

IND, please learn from SL & SA how to play Test matches and ODI s

Posted by Nutcutlet on (August 17, 2014, 18:23 GMT)

Sunil Gavaskar, asked to comment on TMS on India's batting during the last rites of this farcial Test match, made a battery of damning comments. I noted down a few. He said there were 'too many optional practices' and that 'no one turned up to them anyway'. He added that there was no intensity in India's preparation and no attention to technique. Further, he remarked that this attitude has been obvious for the last two or three years. I sensed him squirming with embarrassment. I wanted to give Sunil a handkerchief, so badly did I feel for him. Last of all, he added that 'Nothing changes' and (to the players and all others that are responsible for their pathetic performances). 'Nothing matters'. It would be a' waste of his time' for him to try to get his comments acted upon. That, India, is one of your greatest-ever cricketers speaking! SG knew what it was to battle for his country's cricketing honour & dignity. He must feel deeply betrayed by his super-rich, oh-so-arrogant successors.

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 18:22 GMT)

Since 2008, they could not won a test series against Eng. They lost last year at home as well.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 18:21 GMT)

Indian batting should be able to recover form by playing some t20 games.

Posted by inyourbaffles on (August 17, 2014, 18:21 GMT)

@Rushan Fernando: You say, "Sri lanka beat England" with I imagine great pride. In truth, Sri Lanka drew one test and were two balls away from a second draw when Anderson made a mistake and gifted the win to Sri Lanka. At that time Sri Lanka was playing an England team that was performing a lot worse than India did in the series just completed. Nothing to gloat about there I would suggest.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:20 GMT)

@Montasim Billah: Bangladesh lost to Afghanistan in Asia Cup, poor bangladesh, hahahahahahaha

Posted by anuprakir on (August 17, 2014, 18:19 GMT)

Even after such a humiliation nothing is going to change much for Indian cricket.Only money that matters now a days.Everything will be forgotten soon.Board is happy with the money it makes from IPL so also players.Over rated team and players.RIP Indian cricket

Posted by anserazim on (August 17, 2014, 18:19 GMT)

The defeat margin is two innings and 2 runs in aggregate precisely...pathetic show of cricket talent by our 1.2 billion fellow country men.....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:17 GMT)

please BCCI, can we just stop calling ourselves a test playing nation or atleast stop going for these overseas tours....dhoni says 'there will be many experiences which the youngsters will learn', rubbish, these guys are not capable of learning anything, don't humiliate the country/fans/test cricket overall, just stop these overseas tours

Posted by reluctant_fan on (August 17, 2014, 18:17 GMT)

1-3 defeat, especially after being up 1-0... Not a big deal. At least the "process" was there. Why would the Indian players be motivated to grind it out in Test cricket when the riches in the IPL are so easy and quick? BCCI needs to consider withdrawing the team from Test cricket. Or ICC should somehow ban India from playing Test cricket. Oh wait,I forgot which of the two has more clout...

Posted by himsez on (August 17, 2014, 18:16 GMT)

Lets be honest! Is murli Vijay really playing his natural game? would he play for India if the reverse scores were in line. Test 5 4 and 3. He would have been dropped forever. DO we need Ishant? one match per series wonder

Posted by thozar on (August 17, 2014, 18:15 GMT)

As @Big_Poppa_94 pointed out, tests are not that much interesting for many people. I wouldn't advocate for the scrapping of the format though. But ICC can cut short the number of tests played. How many people have the time and patience to follow a game for 5 days which could end up in stalemate? The one day series is a different format and India are very good at that. It is also worth pointing out that England are not very good in that format. I think we will see a different India in the one day series.

To all the people deriding our performance: please check Bhuvi's and Ishant's series record. I am especially glad that Ishant has had his best series with the ball in a long time. Hope that this starts a new beginning in his career. Wish Aaron doesn't sacrifice his pace. Then we will have a good attack. Very disappointed with Che Pu and Kohli's performances...:( But they are class players and will bounce back strong.

Posted by truecric_fan on (August 17, 2014, 18:15 GMT)

Well played England. After winning the 2nd test, Ind had Eng and Cook under a lot of pressure,I was expecting Ind to win the series so it sad to see a 1-3 result. We need a new Test XI and let the IPL super stars focus on ODIs and T20. Also, sack BCCI officials for horrible selection decisions. MSDs attitude and post macth comments are disgracfull. He should step down as Test captain.

Posted by Old_Legend on (August 17, 2014, 18:15 GMT)

AN IDEA: BCCI should stop playing Test. They should only play IPL and t20

Posted by CricManGame on (August 17, 2014, 18:15 GMT)

Can somebody say why Sri Lanka played only two games before this trashing. Those two games were wonderful to watch and were very competitive with thrilling finishes. They should have played 5 Tests not Indians.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:14 GMT)

first n foremost,sorry to interrupt the various self delusion sessions goin on.a few clarifications now.1)india is the best asian team playing AGAINST asian teams,no matter how miserably they fail abroad2)india is gonna put a passable show in the 2015 WC3)had srilanka played a 4 match series they would have lost in all certainity4)england are still gonna flop against world class teams5)sporting s french cut is not gonna make cooks stay as skippr any longer6)the indian fans are going to dust themselves up and continue fooling themselves about ' team india.cheers

Posted by wolf777 on (August 17, 2014, 18:14 GMT)

Indian Groundsmen like to produce flat dead pitches to facilitate sickening run fests. Indian batsmen grow up playing on these flat tracks relish in a false sense of confidence that is shattered as soon as they encounter lively pitches. Meanwhile, bowlers have no idea how to bowl in these helping conditions as they have seldom encounter these types of pitches at home. BCCi does its part by generally not allowing Indian players to play in overseas leagues keeping them further from the experience and knowledge of foreign conditions. No wonder Indian team is like a deer caught in headlights on overseas tours.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 18:13 GMT)

The true top countries should contemplate fielding a second string team against india to be fair to the spectators. They cannot simply compete against the top teams.

Posted by cricpanther on (August 17, 2014, 18:12 GMT)

well done England!! now it's same execution in One Day series against India. One step at one time. Gradually, England should come strong for World Cup 2015 and some day England can win World Cup as well.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:11 GMT)

India were truly awful for most of this series, there's no doubting that, & congratulations to England for some great performances, but I wonder what the result would have been if the series was played in India? I think India would have done a lot better & England a lot worse (though hard to imagine them doing THIS much worse). Too often teams can only win series against opponents of a similar level in conditions similar to those they have at home & I think this is a problem that goes far beyond just England and India. This is why SL winning over here was such a great result. I would have liked to see the England v NZ series be a bit longer but it should prove an interesting warm up to the Ashes.

Posted by pratit on (August 17, 2014, 18:10 GMT)

Don't spoil the name of India by playing such shabby cricket. If you don't care about test cricket, don't play it. We could do without IPL superstars. We want players who would put everything on the line for winning a test- guys like Ryan Harris.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:09 GMT)

@mzm149: After seeing India's defeat, I think you would be feeling better but don't worry India will continue to beat ur team continuously like India did in the past.

Posted by vishwa1111 on (August 17, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

dear indian fans......ur board may be rich bcuz ppl who watch cricket cray in ur country..but that doesn't mean ur the best team, ur team might perform well in flat tracks so those players can't be legends of the game.......plz understand who r u first and stop commenting harshly on sri Lanka.......u don't need any answer more than this lost and any further lesson to change ur selfs........(but Iam really sad about MS, he tried his best to carry this weak team)

for England.........u should not over joy or u should not think u r the best...yes u won,but u beat a very very weak team..u should be shame for that lost in loards...we saw how u cryed vs sri lanka which evry home advantage with u...when SL played it was cooler weather which they don't like , but they won all....we know u ask SL to come early summer and india late,bcuz u back to beat india in any condition but not the SL..So before enjoy beat AUS and win Ashes....Still cook is not the leader that suited for u guys..but congrtz

Posted by crickketlover on (August 17, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

This time India won atleast a test in England with an inexperienced team. How did India do in 2011 with stalwarts of Indian cricket at that time? 0-4 Indian batting let this team down especially Kholi and Pujara - the subcontinent bullies.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

Indians can only bring success on Dead Indian flat pichtes.. This series defeat shows the fact very clearly

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

Indian fans, SL fans do not want to bullie you guys.. but they are just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Go to any match forum SL is involved and you will see more indian fans posting than the fans of the teams involved in the game. And all of the comments will be negative ones against SL.. regardless of SL winning or losing, if we win, for you guys it will be the mistakes of other team.. if we lose you tell us we belong to the minnows category.. And you will try to compare some player against an Indian counterpart which is totally irrelevant. That's why my dear neighbors, you guys are greeted by fans of other countries today. Understand that all fans love their cricket teams. When you play with their emotions, this is what happens. What goes around comes around.

Posted by durhamd on (August 17, 2014, 18:07 GMT)

Oh to imagine...opening bowlers of Steyn and Anderson. Pity that one South African couldn't make his way over to these shores!

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 18:07 GMT)

India should have their test status revoked, the clearly are not good enough to perform at this level. Stick to the IPL, boys.

Posted by Onewin on (August 17, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

"Immense wealth and hubris." That's what this is ultimately about. It has wrecked the mightiest down the ages, and India aren't even that mighty. Easy money has killed the hunger and, frankly, just how motivated can you get a 20-something lad to feel when he stops to see who his employers are, how they run their empire, and just what sort of values they have? All sport is about honour, and what sort of reserves of honour can be available for employees of a shamed, disgraced, corrupt board to dig into in difficult times? In the end, it is about the way our beautiful game is run in India, and the poison with which they have weakened its character.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

I cannot understand the BCCI's opposition to DRS. Most of the dismissals are confirmed with third umpire. Like stumping, runout, cleanness of catches, noballs etc.etc. Why then the close catchings and LBWs not refering to third umpire. What is the point in it. Cook was plumb LBW, but the umpire did not give out. If cook was given out, as it was at the start of England innings, the story must have been different.

Posted by mensan on (August 17, 2014, 18:05 GMT)

India is not a bad team. Their batsmen are good. The bowlers are good. Hard to understand why India is performing so much below standard.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

Sad part is that all these will be forgotten after the next meaningless ODI series in Indian flat tracks. Come Australia series same selectors, same coaches, same team and same result.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

@Herath-UK: What did u say "Indians do not have the skills & ability as the Sri Lankans displayed"? Please tell me one thing what happens to lankan's abilities when they play against India? This Indian team is an inexperienced one, I really want to see how lankan plays after the retirement of Sanga. Also, what happened to SL team in the last test & ODI series against SA, most of lankan batsmen struggled against the pace of Steyn & Morkel even on slow pitches, loosing a test series at home is more humiliating than loosing overseas.

Posted by Lakpj on (August 17, 2014, 18:03 GMT)

At last England tastes the victory of a test series after a long wait. Mitchell Johnson you can start licking your lips buddy, he comes India.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:02 GMT)

What can you say ?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 18:02 GMT)

It's ok boys just come back. We will organize IPL for you and you will be superstars again. All this will be forgotten. Don't worry all is fine. *Disgust mode on*

Posted by ListenToMe on (August 17, 2014, 18:02 GMT)

In my opinion, reasons for India's failure in the series are very simple:

1. 5 technically flawed batsmen: Jadeja, Dhawan, Binny, Kohli - They are either flat track bullies or ODI spcecialists. The replacement Gambhir has not proven his value in domestic matches, still given chances 2. ODI specialist / unskilled bowlers: Jadeja, Aron, Ashwin - all these are ODI batsmen. Ishant sharma has proved 100 times that he is not a good test bowler.

The only way for India to improve is finding other good young batsmen and giving them chances in rotation basis and thus finding the best performing 11. I know they will not do that since they will conduct a series against someone in India and will win the series so that these over hyped players will go abroad again. Against Aus, If they play this same team we will see the same result.

They should give Rohit Sharma more chances in tests rather in ODIs, He is best in tests and Kohli should be playing in ODIs.

Posted by US-Cricketer on (August 17, 2014, 18:00 GMT)

"It's important we leave the Tests behind and enjoy the ODIs and T20." Dhoni's statement is very well reflective of Team India and BCCI's attitude towards test cricket.

Posted by tausif.khalil on (August 17, 2014, 17:58 GMT)

It's pretty clear that Indian don't want to play tests in which they are getting same amount as they get in 3hrs T20. But for sure they can't do even in T20 or ODI. I'd say "throw such players not only out of Team but also out of Country".

Posted by MiheerP on (August 17, 2014, 17:57 GMT)

Shameful performance by the Indians. Wondering now whether the Lord's test win was a fluke victory. As Nasser Hussain and Ganguly correctly mentioned, some of the Indian players should start playing the County Cricket in England for a league in a year. All former Indian cricketers who have played County have always done well overseas. Ganguly, Dravid, Sachin, Zaheer all have played at least 2 season of County cricket. BCCI should now look up to a plan giving players an opportunity to play there. Stop the Champions Trophy in October. Cut short the duration of IPL. Even the 50 over world cup doesn't last entire 2 months. Prepare and Select different set of players for 3 different formats so that there is no problem of too much fatigue in players.

Posted by mensan on (August 17, 2014, 17:57 GMT)

India's batting performance in last 2 tests:

Old Trafford: 6/63 & 6/66 The Oval: 6/44 & 6/62

This must be some sort of record by India, losing 6 wkts so early in 4 consecutive innings.

Posted by 22many on (August 17, 2014, 17:56 GMT)

and the great Shane Warne wanted Cook gone.

Posted by nites9 on (August 17, 2014, 17:56 GMT)

please don't say that India can play in Indian pitches only. If i remember, England defeated India in India when they toured them last time, they had monty and swann. So at best you can say ... India can play in India only in ODIs..

Posted by Big_Chikka on (August 17, 2014, 17:51 GMT)

india seriously overrated, as for kohli, he's got to prove his worth to this team......

Posted by amilag on (August 17, 2014, 17:50 GMT)

Zimbabwe, Bangaledesh are beter than Indian side...The money can not make verything in your life..specially the talent

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:50 GMT)

England are the best in the world

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:49 GMT)

Its all over for India now. Losing by 3-1 is clearly enough for them to be humiliated by England. Cook will be relishing his moment of glory as he was already under estimated after what happened in Lords. Dhoni will be greatly saddened by the horrible performance of his team. Well, it would have been a tough challenge especially for Kohli, Dhawan, Dhoni, Rahane to come out of what they are suffering from nightmare and perform in coming odi series as they have got plenty of time to get back to their way. Anyways, all eyes on odi series now.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:49 GMT)

Well, i think that the bowling that brings difference. Anderson and Broad bowled Beautiful deliveries and i cant remember any single delivery indians bowled like that.. The delivery that caught vijay in 4th test is outstanding and that was the main cause to loose... I Bet that if Anderson and Broad in Indian team then England would have done what India Did... throught the session they maintain the pressure.

Regarding Shewag, Yuvaraj, Harbajan i am really surprised that are you guys watching cricket or not... Yuvaraj is a walking wicket to Swing bowlilng even in Indian conditions and Shewag i dont want to add any more...

I know once all guys want Pankaj singh in team but see how he bowls, he does not have consistency and often giving runs with bad deliveries so guys dont judge by Ranji Tropi games... they will sure backfire as Pankaj, Rohit did..

This is the best Team, except Gambhir should replaced with Dhawan and Rohit or Umesh yadav replacing Binny..

Posted by amilag on (August 17, 2014, 17:48 GMT)

Shame..Shame...every time go out from subcontinent. This time little bit better at least won one match

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:46 GMT)

India's overseas performance has been really pathetic in the recent past. All these batsmen who failed miserably in English soil will score centuries in the next home series. Then every one will forget these miserable performance in overseas. As a result same players who couldnt score a single fifty in England will be on board for the next overseas tour after scoring centuries at home.This is the summary of Indian Cricket. Its high time to take drastic action to find players who will perform equally in overseas and at home. Best wishes!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:46 GMT)

bring back virendra sehwag as a captain for test team... entire top order should be dropped after abysmal showing in England. Dhoni is best wicketkeeper in country so he should be there as a player only playing 11 should be for next aussie tour .. sehwag(cap) gambhir md kaif badrinath kohli dhoni irfan harbhajan praveen aaron ishant i thing this is the best indian test team currently

Posted by livelifeup on (August 17, 2014, 17:44 GMT)

A lot of SL fans very happy at India's demise. Personally I am not a fan of test cricket - sport should be for entertainment in this day and age and not a 'test of character' - it's just not entertaining. For SL fans - SL and Pak are definitely better test sides than India and deserve credit for that. This Indian side is simply not as good, they're just a team in the middle of the table. It's also unfair to criticize them so much when these English and Australian sides too have been decimated in subcontinental conditions :) Anyways, it's all done, on to the limited overs formats, well played England and good luck India, I am sure they will compete much harder.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 17:43 GMT)

I'm from SL and I have to say great effor England. How they came back from two series of humiliation. And tough luck India. The main problem I see is that Indian team is more focused on the shorter vesion that they have forgotten about the longer version of the game. This is what happens when you prioritise money over the spirit of the game. Because the same players would easily win a oneday game against England. This is a side effect of IPL. (Same thing happened to Malinga so he quit test)

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:41 GMT)

Dhoni's ssual post game speech" It was a good experience and we learned a lot for for the next series". Seriously, isn't this what they said last time too?

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (August 17, 2014, 17:40 GMT)

Congratulations to England on this comprehensive test series victory!

India now - It started with 0-4 in England, then 0-4 in Australia, 1-2 in India, 0-1 in SA, 0-1 in New Zealand and now it is 1-3 in England again. Team Dhoni-Fletcher came a full circle with no change in the series results. At least now, can we sack this failed combination so that we can get rid-off whatever flawed processes they are implementing? If the process (aka preparation) is sound, results will be positive. If the process is flawed, results will be negative. Just the way, if you don't prepare properly for your exam, you won't get a good score in your exam. Is it not? And also, the way you prepare for one exam is not the same as you prepare for the other. Exam Oriented Preparation is the key. And this combo has no clue; apparently!

Or did Jadeja-Anderson verdict and the subsequent English press headlines demoralize the squad completely?

IMO, this current drubbing is a combination of all of the above!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:39 GMT)

When Indian players have the IPL show to play and enjoy the street cricket , then why BCCI waste the time of players and viewers in overseas.?

Posted by PIA786 on (August 17, 2014, 17:39 GMT)

Just goes to show how poor India really are. they are just comfortable playing at home and teams just love to play in India due to money. How pathetic India were in the tests......no fight......no guts.....no bowlers.... India have one of the weakest bowling attacks in the world. I mean Binny....how poor was he!

Posted by Philip_Gnana on (August 17, 2014, 17:37 GMT)

India sure are a complete team. They cannot bat, they cannot bowl, they cannot field, they cannot also run... What a shame that they could not emulate the Sri Lankans.

Posted by M_Rakibul_Islam on (August 17, 2014, 17:35 GMT)

India vs Joe Root test match: India 1st innings 148 (all out), Joe Root 1st innings 149 (not out), India 2nd innings 94 (all out). India lead by 93 runs after 2nd innings.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:35 GMT)

Indian team can only perform on juicy pitches of made in India.. More treatment will be waiting when team Indian will on tour to AUS coming next..

Posted by philander50 on (August 17, 2014, 17:34 GMT)

the indians might be the wealthiest but money cant produce talent, officially the worst sub continent team out there.

Posted by Presynaras on (August 17, 2014, 17:34 GMT)

India deserves this for overlooking quality players like Wasim Jaffer, Subramanium Badrinath saying they were junior players during Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly era. Now those two have become too old to play in this India. It might be a bit late for Wasim Jaffer, but Badrinath has at least 4-5 yrs of cricket left in him. Bring him into the middle order. As for the opening, stick with Dhawan and Vijay. There is no other choice but to go to Sehwag who is struggling in domestic matches as well. Also irrespective of a bowler's form, do not use him for more than two test matches. Bhuvi must have been removed in the 3rd Test, since how his pace had reduced by at least 7 ks from the second test. And also assign a handful of bowlers exclusively for Tests. Do not play them in ODIs and T20. Keep Ishant, Varun, Umesh, Ishwar for just Tests. The likes of Mohit and Shami along with Vinay and Binny can handle ODIs. Using the same bowlers in all formats and ultimately injuring him is foolish.

Posted by cric1965 on (August 17, 2014, 17:34 GMT)

Sri Lanka make Jimmy Anderson to cry. But India make Jimmy to laugh.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:34 GMT)

Disappointing performance by England! They should have won 5-0. So called team indian big nose has broken down. This result is very good for future of Cricket!

Posted by mzm149 on (August 17, 2014, 17:33 GMT)

I have to admit that even though Steyn is the best fast bowler among the current lot in terms of pace, bounce, control, aggression, seam movement, accuracy, out-swingers et al.

But James Anderson has even better control on both outswingers and inswingers. He is better 'swing' bowler than Steyn.

Posted by rk_ks on (August 17, 2014, 17:32 GMT)

@Herath-UK: Certain hyped batsmen huh. Your team almost lost the first test and because of umpring decisions you drew the first test. Going by the two series case, India would have already won by the 2test at lords. And the Indian team morale is very low and is the main reason behind losing matches. In India few players might be overhyped, but the SL team is overhyped. Did anyone cry over you when you lost the 2011, 2007, other 2 world t20 finals. Why you lost 4 finals in a row did anyone say that you were over hyped that you were crying over other teams.

Posted by M_Rakibul_Islam on (August 17, 2014, 17:31 GMT)

India vs Joe Root test match: India 1st innings 148 (all out), Joe Root 1st innings 149 (not out), India 2nd innings 94 (all out). India lead by 93 runs after 2nd innings. So that's the Match summary, huh?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:29 GMT)

time to change the players as well as the selectors.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 17:29 GMT)

Thank god its over.It was extremely painful to watch talent like Kohli and Pujara struggling here,but truly speaking since the lords test this Indian team hardly looked interested in playing test cricket.Unless they feel the value of a India cricket cap and be serious about test matches this players cant improve for any overseas tours..

Posted by kkarthik on (August 17, 2014, 17:29 GMT)

Positives for India from this tour:

* They helped England discover a spinner in the form of Moeen Ali * Helped England find a replacement for Prior sooner than they actually expected * Made Joe root a destructive test player * Helped Cook and Bell get back into form * Made Gary Ballance a player for the future * Gave Anderson his highest test score * Showed the world how not to take catches in slips * Reassured the world that DRS is the right technology to use

Posted by haq33 on (August 17, 2014, 17:27 GMT)

Nick-hill...if I may clarify for you. Your neighbours knew for a while that this India team is built on hype. There is no magical talent there. Kohli is overrated. God knows what your odi team will be without Dhoni. And each of Pak, SL and Bang could easily overpower India - it is usually a false belief in the hype surrounding India that helps many teams implode against India. as long as any team doesn't fear India's hype, they will beat India, even Zim and NZ. Kiss bye bye to the hype.

Posted by mzm149 on (August 17, 2014, 17:26 GMT)

It is always a delight to watch India lose and Kohli's failure is an icing on the cake. In this series, we got the icing ten-folds.

Posted by SajithaD on (August 17, 2014, 17:26 GMT)

@Nick-hill, ha ha now its getting really really interesting... We are really really jealous about india having this shameless defeat against ENG... Mate, we don't compare our teams with india... Even the associate nations will be ashamed if we compare this indian performance with them... Just go and see before this series start, how many indian fans were commenting in SL, PAK articles (ask "Rajesh_india_1990","vikias", "yousufahmed", etc)... When series started you guys were shouting like you now shouting "but still we are better than Pak or SL be it any pitch"... SL won the series in these pitches, last time PAK whitewashed them... Any pitch? no just indian pitches (maybe)... Even in Bangladesh you lost to PAK and SL... The truth is you guys were in so high by media hype and you acted according to that(insulting others), now you guys not able to face the consequences... Anyway india was not good as they look earlier, india is not as bad as they look now... Hope they win some ODI's...

Posted by rohita25 on (August 17, 2014, 17:25 GMT)

Congrates to england...they have the class...playing test cricket is not easy....day night difference between the standards of both teams...england outplayed team india in every corner...if we compare team england of last tour with present...is nt tht strong...defeat of england by australia and srilanka had made things easier for india...but for team india wining lords means wining the series...kohli, pujara, rahane, vijay, dhawan...not learning anything from laxman, dravid, sachin....Pooor display by everyone...only bhuvi did well rest all 0000

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 17:25 GMT)

Indian batsmen is like frog in a well. My request is please come out. U have chance to play is county cricket at England. Please use the opertunity and try to improve. Great players like Tendulkar, Dravid and Ganguly used the opertunity. Do it for the benefit of Indian cricket

Posted by FlatTrakBully on (August 17, 2014, 17:25 GMT)

Team should move on. 3-1 is similar to 4-0 loss, but its better than England's record of 5-0 loss,. (Practicing county without IPL, BBL)

Posted by vilandilu on (August 17, 2014, 17:25 GMT)

as a sri lankan i want to say its just a one tour, its happend friends, i wish u all the best for indian team and doni

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:24 GMT)

We used to pray for sachin,dravid's century, now we need to pray for team INDIA's Century

Posted by Sauron_Of_Middle_Earth on (August 17, 2014, 17:22 GMT)

Its appalling how Dhoni refuses to make attacking changes to the lineup. A team that plays such a defensive brand of cricket deserves to lose. Flashback 3rd test - Flat wicket in hot conditions, likely to take turn on the 4th and 5th days. You have a 1-0 lead. Most captains would want to finish off the job. You have the choice of playing Ashwin as second spinner and turning the screws on England. In addition, you have an unknown entity for England in the form of Aaron (two ODIs long ago against Eng in Ind). Likely that a swing bowler like Pankaj Singh won't be effective on any day. What does Dhoni do? Picks an extra batsman so that he can play out for draws in the last three matches and retains Jadeja who has been ineffective on a heavily turning 5th day Lords pitch. Nice one! Make no mistake, I have great respect for MS Dhoni's leadership and his cricketing qualities. But he deserves severe criticism for this debacle despite his admirable fighting knocks.

Posted by cric1965 on (August 17, 2014, 17:22 GMT)

England should prepare fast swing wickets for ODI and allow Indians to bat.

Posted by Paranoidvik on (August 17, 2014, 17:21 GMT)

The BCCI is at fault for the current state of Indian cricket. There is always a cry to improve pitch conditions in India whenever India lose a series abroad. That cry evaporates when India start performing at home again. And again that cry becomes loud during next overseas defeat. It is a never ending cycle. And the administration hasn't taken a note of it. How many fast bowlers can we boast about in India? ZERO

We have places where soil is conducive for fast bowling pitches. But still flat pitches are prepared. The end result is going to be batsmen who can only play in such batting conditions and bowlers who can bowl only in such conditions.

If india wants to produce cricketers of higher pedigree, Pitches must be improved starting from Ranji trophy matches. There is no other solution to this losing abroad situation.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:20 GMT)

If indian teams want to win they should play in home grounds and ban IPL otherwise they are exposed

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:19 GMT)

Bring back shewag,Samson sack dhawan and pujara

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 17:19 GMT)

Losing is always a probability in any game. But the spineless performance by Indian batsmen is totally disgusting to say the least. While the fans brood over the humiliation, I am sure our super rich must be busy partying and shopping before flying home.

Posted by Herath-UK on (August 17, 2014, 17:16 GMT)

This is severe dent on certain hyped batsmen who AFTER ten innings at a stretch got nothing to show at all, any average good player would have a half century or two at least to show around. Every team does not get all these riches of opportunities as the Indians but they do not show the skills & ability as the Sri Lankans displayed. Give a chance for the Lankans to travel in the summer they will show fireworks (as they have done in the only Test given with Jayasuriya & Arvinda setting the game ablaze then).

Posted by sumit1982 on (August 17, 2014, 17:16 GMT)

These team are so hurry to catch a team bus. Only positive effective in 2011 India team loss 4-0, these time 3-1 We manage to draw one test and win one test.

Its time get rid of dhoni from test captain and handed over to Ashwin .As well as is time to say bye bye Duncan Fletcher .

Posted by Retour on (August 17, 2014, 17:15 GMT)

I am at a loss of words to discribe this loss. Dhoni has to be sacked from tests. Fletcher has to go. Hopefully the selectors who had the wisdom to pick likes of Pankaj Singh, leave out Yadav and not pick a legspinner will resign too.

SOS to Sehwag. He needs to be brought back to lead and rebuild the test team. India needs a dedicated coach for tests too. May be someone who can also bring an attacking mindset to Indian bowlers. McDermott or Wasim can be asked to help. This is crisis period.

Posted by Strikeforce2007 on (August 17, 2014, 17:15 GMT)

abysmal, pathetic, humiliating, unlearning, gross loss, ridiculous.,all these and vastly more expression said or written will and must follow. What matters more is the very base thought.." is this a team that represents a proud cricketing nation as India?" " Is this a team of billionaires having made, and still raking in monies through their cricket board salaries, endorsements, belly-filled humungous playing fees made off IPL T 20's, ICC T-50's with accolades, awe, endorsements, favoured 'board cricketers', perform as they are? This Test series. Has revealed the belly filled, utopian as cricketing Sportsmen who claim to represent India. Shocking! Are there no other cricketers in a one billion nation that prides on cricket? is it that ' only this eleven' represent Indian flair in Indian cricket? Are we watching models playing this sport?.. This Indian team under MS Dhoni are tourists running by Luck.. Grumpy Gambhir, three visioned Kohli,,MSD using his bat as Luke Skywalker..

Posted by Karnayak1 on (August 17, 2014, 17:15 GMT)

Congratulations to the England team who rose like PHOENIX from 1st Test till 5th Test. I would love Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya and other new members to join Test Cricket and Invite India to their Country and create some World Records in defeating our team in every nook and corner you can. At least then BCCI may find an answer to the Issue.

Posted by baranasai on (August 17, 2014, 17:15 GMT)

Please see what I have predicted about Indian reply. It has happened exactly the same way.I said about 45/5 and all out less than 96 .exactly has happened. Iam pretty sure The Indian team will never learn from this -they lost to a team who were demoralised and given a fresh lease of life to them. Dhoni must go as he has more and more overseas drubbings like this. I want Rahane or Pujara to be captain as Kohli will not be able to with stand this stress and we will lose one good player. Please sack Ghambir as he was so poor for his experience same some one with test experience never learned to apply in a scenario like this. Please bring in some new batsmen for now and rest Kohli Rahane Ashwin Jadeja etc as they have done nothing useful for the team. bring some new blood who can contribute better

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:14 GMT)

Congratulations England! A fantastic series victory! It is not just the series victory but the way England comprehensively thrashed India in most of the matches is also extremely appealing. Wonderful feeling!!!!!!! I was worried whether england would squander their chances so I was keeping my fingers crossed throughout the series but finally now I can relax fully and enjoy this tremendous series victory that too a victory in such a convincing way.

Posted by Charlie101 on (August 17, 2014, 17:13 GMT)

I think India have to decide if they want to play test cricket or not - it is the fans decision . My personal decision is that India has the power to compete in all formats.

Posted by CaseyWilliam14 on (August 17, 2014, 17:13 GMT)

this is what happens when you face a good team on a good pitch. you get found out. kohli got found out. pujara got found out. there is no hiding. yea, you can do that in flat pitches but this is how you get found out when it matters the most. indians players are nothing special. sorry but it's the truth ay. churr mate

Posted by Lets-bash-others on (August 17, 2014, 17:12 GMT)

When a team is not performing collectively then the blame is on captain.. LIke Cook faced criticism after 2nd test at lords.. After 3 wins the articles are written on how good a captain is Cook...

On the other hand is Dhoni.. Indian team failed collectively and blame game is on Dhoni.... Actually a captain is as good as his team..

Dhoni is the same captain who won world cups... Now people will say that I m defending Dhoni but the fact is... Dhoni's captaincy struggled when the team struggled...

Dhoni as a captain will always fail if the team is struggling...

There is not much difference between cook and dhoni ( captaincy wise ).. Proof:- Aus tour 5-0 total surrender becoz team struggled... Same thing happened to Indian team...

This loss will only make Indian youngsters stronger...But I know currently India IS behind all major teams in TESTS... 7th rank should justify their form... Though miracles happen who knows India improves in Tests but that would not happen in near future.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:12 GMT)

India should quit test cricket and should give that chance to Afghanistan..this is a pathetic display of cricket..

Posted by Karnayak1 on (August 17, 2014, 17:12 GMT)

Indian Women made their Country Proud on the eve of 68th Independence Day. Whilst their counterparts continued their TRIP on English Soil.

This is an Indian side built on immense wealth and hubris, that has become used to a feeling of power, which has come to view its early history as an aberration, yet they were poverty stricken against an England side once again relishing perfect swing and seam bowling conditions.

Keep it going Boys. Lets see what you have in ODI's. Everything is fair is love and war. In Sports once has to be sportive, cos ALWAYS the best team wins. Indian Fans don't have much to expect from you. But when you say Good Bye to this field, Ensure your head is held high. I hope England Trip is Good One, cos not everyone gets an opportunity to njoy such a trip Sponsored from BCCI.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:11 GMT)

Sack cloth and ashes. Here lies the team with a soul so dead.R.I.P.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:11 GMT)

Wakeup call for over hyped BCCI. If only some indian players were sent for playing in the county cricket they wouldnt cut such a sorry face in front of the fans. High time BCCI realizes this and prepare indian test players for future overseas tests to tackle top test teams than popularizing IPL and CL.

Posted by ecjdsouza on (August 17, 2014, 17:10 GMT)

I am an Indian , and I strongly believe srilanka and Pakistan have really been better teams, then India over all, we did have some good memories, how ever they have been really short memories, still we have always been the third best team to come from that part of the world, nothing against you Bangladesh.

Posted by glen1 on (August 17, 2014, 17:09 GMT)

After the dust settles down; BCCI & Dhoni need to make a quick assessment. The outcome should be that India plays only two test series from now on, concentrates on one-day cricket and IPL, and crowds should be entertained. All this talk of IPL as the cause of this demise is rubbish; the loss to GNP playing the long format game is tremendous. Further, the players used to short formats should not be put through this five test nonsense.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 17:09 GMT)

I wish if MSD or other Indian cricket legends could read the comment.Well this is the poorest of all the performances by any Indian cricket team in ovrseas condition.I urge ICC to take the right of playing test cricket from this Indian team as was done to Zimbabwe.Let them first learn the art of playing test cricket.This team if it continues to play test cricket will inspire the loss of interest of people watching test cricket as it has already diminished.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 17, 2014, 17:08 GMT)

INDIA this series (in no particular order): POSITIVES: 1. The bowlers; many people (myself included) doubted India could take 20 wickets. All bowled well at times, particularly Kumar & Aaron. 2. Dhoni's batting. Coming in within the first 20 overs of an innings & playing decent knocks like that is commendable. 3. Glimmers of class from Vijay & Rahane. NEGATIVES: 1. The batsmen, particularly the youngsters like Kohli & Pujara. So much more expected of them this series. 2. Fielding, particularly in the slips. Lost count of dropped catches, + don't think India used same players in the cordan for more than one innings. 3. Spirit/moral seemed so low. Dhoni walking so mechanically behind the stumps was a classic example of a team looking so jaded/dejected, despite a wonderful deserved win at Lords. 4. No DRS. Decisions even out over a game/series, so I refuse to enter into arguments over umpiring decisions. But DRS eliminates the howlers, & there were some. 5. Team formations. 6. No fight.

Posted by mikkkk on (August 17, 2014, 17:08 GMT)

@RogerC "IPL is played by many successful international test players like Steyn, Johnson, De Villiers, Mahela, Sanga, Warner and so on. Apparently they show no bad effect of IPL"

That's because most of those are proper Test players who have had to make the grade as Test players first. It doesn't work the other way around. Players who make their names in short cricket do so because they were never good enough to get into their Test team first. How can T20 ever produce many Test players when the bowlers only have to bowl 4 overs a game and the batters only have to plant their feet and swing the bat. Some days it comes off but if it doesnt, who cares? - theres another match round the corner.

Posted by Herath-UK on (August 17, 2014, 17:07 GMT)

This is severe dent on certain hyped batsmen who AFTER ten innings at a stretch got nothing to show at all, any average good player would have a half century or two at least to show around. Every team does not get all these riches of opportunities as the Indians but they do not have the skills & ability as the Sri Lankans displayed. Give a chance for the Lankans to travel in the summer they will show fireworks (as they have done in the only Test given with Jayasuriya & Arvinda setting the game ablaze then).

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:07 GMT)

contd...Abhinav Mukund..

He has played a total of 5 test matches during the last WI and Eng tour of 2011 with three different opening partners. But he was dropped after playing three test against England to make way for Sehwag returning from injury.

He plays for the state of Tamil Nadu that did not do well in Ranji Trophy last year although his contributions were very meanfull in the TN's last match of 14 in 56 balls and 26 of 85 balls out of the total scores of 85 and 180 on a turning track. Tamil Nadu lost by just 4 runs and ousted in the knock-out aborting Abhinav Mukund's chance of putting up a good Ranji trophy performance for a Test call-up.

Abhinav Mukund could have been groomed as a left handed Dravid for Future Indian test team. if only the Indian think tank had a vision of what a test batsman must play like. He was a third opener's choice when bereft with injuries to Sehwag and Gambhir.

Abhinav Mukund went unnoticed.

Posted by teo. on (August 17, 2014, 17:07 GMT)

If India had 10% of the reslove that SA show, perhaps they may not have been so utterly humiliated. Case in point for the Indian fans to not be so quick to critisize other teams.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

Thank you team India and it's fans for the entertainment! Time and time again.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (August 17, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

Job done! Now to odi and t20 series. Looking for an encore there also . Go Eng! Waiting for a clean sweep with a 5-0 w/w.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

One of our senior Commentator comments after the match to all fans " Pls don't Criticise the team and give them 3 years time, will train them hard and make them play well in overseas. " Only one thing to say on this, then what on hell these great guns where doing all these years. Changes to be made quickly by removing the entire top batsmen who hardly got any runs in a total of 10 innings. Shame on you guys for letting the Country down.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

A shameful display by this spneless indian team .our super heroes have made demons out of ordinary bowlers.And our captain is not ashamed even if he loses a match in three days.it wouldbe better if all these worthies quit cricket and act only in commercials-kohli in particular

Posted by Sadiq1952 on (August 17, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

It's time for change. India does not have a test team anymore. They have lost that capacity to IPL, greed and money. They need to have two teams: a team for limited overs game (T 20 and 50 overs) and a test team. The current team with some changes can be the limited over team. The test team should start from scratch and should be based on long haul performance at home and abroad. Other than Dhoni, Ashwin, Kumar and Ishant, I can't see anybody else who presently qualify in a test team. Dhoni can stay as a batsman sleeper but not test captain. A selection panel chaired by Gavaskar and comprising of Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly should be set up to select the new test team. This team should be banned from playing for IPL. Those opting to play at the national test team could also be eligible for 50 overs based on demonstrated capacity to play well in both versions. This is a crisis period for Indian cricket and must be dealt in a crisis management manner ruthlessly.

Posted by Sudhir65 on (August 17, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

Sad part India did not even put up a fight.Real shameful. Indians now know their batsmen are just paper tigers.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:04 GMT)

It's interesting how some Srilanka fans here are so happier than English fans. A lot of venom and very rude comments! Fine, it's India that has lost in all departments and lot of credit should go to England. It's extremely easy to criticise a country and say they need to play against minnows now. Remember, it's a cycle when one country will win and the other one will loose many games. It's just one series and by saying that Srilanka would have won big time is a hypothetical question! Grow up your mentality guys and when someone falls, they will rise big time. Time will tell whether India will be only playing minnows now. Pathetic performance from India, yes and even more pathetic comments from many non-Indian fans.

Posted by crazycric67 on (August 17, 2014, 17:04 GMT)

We will lose the ODI and T20 series too. India have injected so much confidence in the English players that they have started believing in themselves and started to deliver. Nobody can inspire the opposition better than India.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:04 GMT)

I think this is the best result we could have had in last two matches. After the gross injustice against India in the Anderson episode if we had come back by abandoning the tour it would have serious implications and was therefore avoidable. But the way we have cut short more than 4 playing days, though we did not beat them on ground but we have hurt ECB financially. I think English board deserved this.

Posted by kkarthik on (August 17, 2014, 17:04 GMT)

Thank you team India for this performance! If you had batted out the whole day today, I would have been distracted tomorrow at work being a Monday. I guess the whole thing was done keeping in mind the number of fans who need to go for work tomorrow.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

We must find a sound technique opening batsman.

One such player went unnoticed at the time of selection for the England Tour.

With no IPL7 2014 participation and Tamil Nadu's early ouster from Ranji season 2013-14 at the knock-out stage,an experienced opener of the previous Eng tour 2011, Abhinav Mukund went unnoticed.

He has been opening with M.Vijay since he started playing at the domestic level

Mukund, who's been part of India's Under-19 team, won a Border-Gavaskar Scholarship in 2009 and spent five weeks at the Center of Excellence in Brisbane batting against the Kookaburra ball.

In 2010, he had a good tour of England with India A, top scored for India in the Emerging Players tournament in Australia.

In the tour game against Northants in the last England tour of 2011, he scored a century 113 of 421 balls in the total of 352.

He has played a total of 5 test matches during the last WI and Eng tour of 2011 with three different opening partners. ...contd..,

Posted by glacier_143 on (August 17, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

It was selectors over confidence in selecting youth over experience which humiliated India like they are new to the world of cricket. Very important for selectors to select experience player like Harbhajan, Sehwag, Zaheer for Australian tour. There are big shoes to be filled and chosen players in England tour are not ready yet or else we have 4-0 humiliation again as Aussies are far better than this English side.

Posted by ecjdsouza on (August 17, 2014, 17:01 GMT)

I don't no why we can't find 11 players that can be world beaters with over a billion in population, have never produced a genuine fast bowler, that is a threat on any wicket, any where in the world, but Pakistan can come up with world class fast bowlers, all through the years, just can get it.now we can't even produce world class spinners, that India were so famous for. Shame what a shame

Posted by John_Geo on (August 17, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

Good luck India - you can redeem your respect against Australia now the team that handed-over England a 5-0 thrashing not too long ago. Indian fans - start praying. This is just the beginning.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

The BBCI's insistence (if I understand correctly) was for five tests in a short space of time as was the non-use of DRS. So once again their greed and short-sightedness has rebounded on them... There needs to be a return to tours that balance international matches with tour ones so that touring teams have the opportunity to find form and for player with minor injuries the chance to recover. Watching India's performance today it was clear that too many were already on the plane home... England's rebuilding remains a work-in-progress, but there is much to be encouraged about. It will be interesting to see how many of this XI will be in the tour party next April to West Indies and who the four/five others will be (possibly Hales, Vince, Billings, Stokes and Finn) but we shall see.

Posted by siddhartha87 on (August 17, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

reading this forum it sounds like Sri Lanka has beaten India in series not England. By the way is Kohli is 2nd Mahela? Mahela is a walking wicket as well in seaming conditions, averages in 20s and early 30s in Australia,England and South Africa.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

ATE THE SAND AGAIN!!! India-the so called present One Day World Champions are bundled out under 100 in a test innings within mere 30 overs. What a quality performance! Really amazing; but for people like me it is not at all surprising. For many years, it has been obvious that the quality and standard in Test level by India is far below average. They are only interested in instant cricket like ODI and T20. They don't want to stay for more time at the crease which is required at Test level. Their mind set is not good there. This is the theory and practice: "IF U WANT ACHIEVE SOMETHING CHANGE U'RSELF, CHANGE U'R MINDSET RATHER THAN SEEKING EXCUSES". India can win only if they change themselves.

Congrats to Eng for their better performance in this series (Remember they had lost to Sri Lanka very recently). Good come back.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

India hated T20 - then they won the first T20 cup - suddenly "T20 is great - let's have an IPL" India are (by all measures) utterly hopeless at test cricket - so of course the tune from the spoilt/sulky fans of India is "Test cricket is no good" India. Financially and human resource wise you are the big boys of international cricket with massively more resource for the sport than any other country Stop blaming circumstance and other countries for your failings. To the fans (not the players) You have all the aces - yet when your team plays poorly you whinge about balls, formats, selection. It's a little pathetic Why not start behaving like the financial and resource giants of cricket you are instead of this constant whinging? 5 tests was YOUR idea! You lost because your team played very poorly - that's the end of it. It might be best to accept it and man up a bit.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:59 GMT)

It's been an unbelievable test series!I don't think this English side was that good to win 2 tests by innings marjin.I guess India will have to play more abroad series and less at home.Some of the Indian players are exposed badly in this series and they can be send back without any hesitation.

Posted by Kumar1701 on (August 17, 2014, 16:59 GMT)

I would blame the coach and the selection panel. Sticking with Jadeja is a mistake. Ashvin should have played in all the tests. Instead of Pankaj Singh India should have selected Umesh Yadav. So many selections were made wrong. In the fourth test overcast morning and rain expected Dhoni should have put England in. What did he do? He chose to bat and on whose advise?. Fletcher is supposed to be telling Dhoni what to do and the coach completely mismanaged this Indian team. I knew as soon as he was selected as coach this Indian team is not not going anywhere. His first series, I mean Fletcher, in West Indies in the last test India batted like cowboys instead of trying to get a few runs and secure a win. They settled for the draw and win the series. Had they batted to win, they could have had the series 2-1 instead of 1-0. Gary Kirsten would have insisted on a win in those circumstances. In my mind Fletcher had to go. He never did anything right when he was the coach of England.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:58 GMT)

Flat track bullies must only play in india That's good for the game of money not cricket well done England

Posted by mzm149 on (August 17, 2014, 16:58 GMT)

@thalagune: Arun Bose must have left this site, I guess, as he promised he will do after India's loss. Don't know about Rajesh_India_1990.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

ATE THE SAND AGAIN!!! India-the so called present One Day World Champions are bundled out under 100 in a test innings within mere 30 overs. What a quality performance! Really amazing; but for people like me it is not at all surprising. For many years, it has been obvious that the quality and standard in Test level by India is far below average. They are only interested in instant cricket like ODI and T20. They don't want to stay for more time at the crease which is required at Test level. Their mind set is not good there. This is the theory and practice: "IF U WANT ACHIEVE SOMETHING CHANGE U'RSELF, CHANGE U'R MINDSET RATHER THAN SEEKING EXCUSES". India can win only if they change themselves.

Congrats to Eng for their better performance in this series (Remember they had lost to Sri Lanka very recently). Good come back.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

This is shame for Test cricket.. How did India got 5 tests. Sri lanka beat england and they only got 2 tests. How this fair ICC? Sri lanka, Pakistan need more than 3 tests. this worst indian performance tells money cricket does not appear in real cricket. re think about ICC if you need great cricket play around world don't get decision for money, otherwise cricket will disappear in world.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

First of all congrats to the England Cricket team for fighting back after being 0-1 to being 3-1. Great effort. For team India, there is no hope left. Look at the way our batsmen are batting. They look like they want to go sit in the dressing room before even facing a ball. They give up before coming to the crease. Dhoni's process is not really working is it? We need a better leader in tests but unfortunately Dhoni is what we have. The way India played in this series made me loose interest in Cricket. But Anderson and Co. revived that through their masterclass. Dhoni is obviously going to say it happens, it part of the game, let's move on.So, when IPL comes they can make more money and not worry about playing for their country. This can be easily seen with Gambhir, there is a huge difference when he plays for Kolkata Knight Riders vs India! All about money that's it!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

First of all congrats to the England Cricket team for fighting back after being 0-1 to being 3-1. Great effort. For team India, there is no hope left. Look at the way our batsmen are batting. They look like they want to go sit in the dressing room before even facing a ball. They give up before coming to the crease. Dhoni's process is not really working is it? We need a better leader in tests but unfortunately Dhoni is what we have. The way India played in this series made me loose interest in Cricket. But Anderson and Co. revived that through their masterclass. Dhoni is obviously going to say it happens, it part of the game, let's move on.So, when IPL comes they can make more money and not worry about playing for their country. This can be easily seen with Gambhir, there is a huge difference when he plays for Kolkata Knight Riders vs India! All about money that's it!

Posted by aus_trad on (August 17, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

What's that rumbling sound? Chuckling coming from Down Under! Sorry to spoil the party, England, but this result is actually not going to help you win the Ashes back next year. It's not that you are doing nothing right, but this 3-1 result is much more about India's deficiencies than England's excellence. The result means that all manner of problems - actual and potential - can now be safely ignored: Cook's captaincy; the batting form of Cook, Robson, Ali (and maybe even Bell and Root, who simply weren't tested much in this series); the idea of Ali as a true, test-quality spinner; and the true (as against artificially inflated) quality of the likes of Jordan and Woakes. Finn (of undoubted potential) still hasn't played a test in over a year, because it's very hard to force one's way into a winning side. I would call this team "highly under-examined", and suspect its weaknesses will come to light only when it's too late.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:56 GMT)

All the first batsmen be fired N . ?

Posted by mzm149 on (August 17, 2014, 16:55 GMT)

I am sure India will lose the ODI series as well, the format about which they brag they are good at playing. Its a request to ECB to retain Jimmy Anderson in ODI squad too. Jordan, Woakes and Moeen Ali will be there for India's nemesis as well.

Posted by neo-galactico on (August 17, 2014, 16:55 GMT)

On the bright side, the one day section of the tour follows. What are the chances of Kohli scoring a couple of hundreds? India take ODIs too seriously!!!

Posted by RogerC on (August 17, 2014, 16:55 GMT)

Lot of people here commenting that IPL as the cause for India's debacle. Strange. IPL is played by many successful international test players like Steyn, Johnson, De Villiers, Mahela, Sanga, Warner and so on. Apparently they show no bad effect of IPL when playing tests. India's problem is not IPL, but lack of good leadership and coaching that can guide the newer players during difficult overseas conditions. I wonder why people like Gavaskar never get involved in coaching youngsters.

Posted by Nick-hill on (August 17, 2014, 16:54 GMT)

It seems to me laughable and strange that all our neighbours (Pak, SL, BAN) are just waiting to lambast India after every poor performance, using terms like "Flat track bullies", "Money hungry", "T20/IPL people" and some even going to ridiculous lengths as to saying "Even BAN would play better than this" All jealousy aside, the truth is we are indeed going through a rebuilding phase after retirement of many legends, and please SL fans stop comparing how SL played in English conditions and how they were better. You can't compare unless we have a bilateral series with SL. Truth is I believe, yes we are poor travellers, but still we are better than Pak or SL be it any pitch, and we'll learn gradually. But yeah not very good chances to defend the World Cup.

Posted by nitish24 on (August 17, 2014, 16:54 GMT)

Please please please please....don't go to Australiaa I can imagine waking up in cold Dec morning , and India 5/6

Posted by DnJsh on (August 17, 2014, 16:54 GMT)

It's also sad to see some Indian fans doing a 180 and putting down their team. Kohli himself has commented on how ridiculously fanbase reacts to failures, including comparison of batting records and putting down an excellent player because their records pales in comparison to another Great. I don't have a link to the original interview, but it was somewhere on the BCCI website.

True fans will stick by their team. This does far more good for the team than screaming that they're useless. You don't see this sort of self-hatred much in relation to Pakistani or Sri Lankan matches, do you? (That said, Bangladeshi fans have a tendency to blow their team's success far beyond proportion, but it's still nice to see that your team has fans no matter what.)

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:53 GMT)

Indian cricketers should quit cricket and start playing KABADDY!!!

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (August 17, 2014, 16:53 GMT)

@ TommytuckerSaffa, no you dont the realistic England fans know just where our team is, and most would agree that this series is the start of the rebuild, the WI's and next summer and then SA in the winter of 2015/16 will show us where we really are.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:53 GMT)

This is not "Team India", this is "Team Dhoni"... that's why all 'credit' goes to MSD. very poor performance... only Batting for 29.2 overs!! shame!

Posted by Sudhir65 on (August 17, 2014, 16:53 GMT)

Still a better performance than the last tour. Next one would be in 2018 and we should expect at least 2 wins.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:52 GMT)

All the five opening batsmen be fired. .

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (August 17, 2014, 16:52 GMT)

I think its Ironic that the team which disallowed the use of DRS, was the team to have needed it the most. DRS needs to be unilaterally used now, only through the use of it can we develop and perfect it. 94% accuracy is better than human error. Many key decisions went against India, which could have been reversed.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 17, 2014, 16:52 GMT)

ENGLAND this series (in no particular order): POSITIVES: 1. Team spirit/ethos improving; no taking the foot off the throat these last few games for a change! 2. Cook: (a) Elusive century still awaits, but glimpses of some batting form coming back; (b) Captaincy improving - better field placements, rotated bowlers better, & each player seemed to know their role(s) in team. 3. Anderson & Broad bowling really well, & their averages are sub thirty now. 4. Support bowlers, particularly Woakes + Jordan, showing glimmers of hope & getting involved in wickets/bowling partnerships. 5. Batting form of Ballance & Root terrific. 6. Buttler has taken to tests like a duck to water, & proved doubters (including me) wrong. 7. Ali taking wickets. NEGATIVES/WORRIES: 1. Robson opening... weaknesses exposed over series. 2. Ali batting; weakness against short ball. 3. Bell: many doubters. 4. Matt Prior: may not see him in test whites again. 5. Plunkett & Stokes: all brawn no brains bowlers. 6. No spinners.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:52 GMT)

India should stop playing overseas,atleast they will be safe from humiliation evry tym

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:51 GMT)

Worse and shameful once again. The players must feel it themselves that they have to play their role. They can not expect Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Ganguly or Laxman to come back and fight for them. Such a disgusting series it had been. At least a matured player like Gambhir should've played well. In this form, INdia can not even win over Sri Lanka. Poor umpiring also favoured England, for example, Cook's lbw by Bhuvi, which was denied. No balls were not even noticed on either side unless an English batsman gets out. Umpiring has been awkward in this series, which added more pain with the deterioration of the mighty Indians

Posted by crkusha on (August 17, 2014, 16:49 GMT)

India cannot bat overseas in test matches and win - Lord's being an aberration. Current crop of batsman are overrated including Virat Kohli and Pujara who have to do quite some homework before being ready for test matches abroad. Now there will be a test series in India where the pitches will be rank turners and India will maul the opposition and the players will look to skyward as though they have conquered everything. Remember the mauling they got at the hands of England last time in India. See South Africa, how they acquit in alien conditions. Players should take Amla, De Villiers and Du plessis example for mental toughness when the going got tough in Srilanka. Indian cricket fans, please do not expect anything from this team at least for another five years in overseas soil. Let us look forward to some good players coming up. Nobody from the current team. You can fail one series or two series, but cannot fail consistently when consistency has to be there in winning.

Posted by MiddleStump on (August 17, 2014, 16:49 GMT)

Reason for the collapse of India within 3 days in the last two Tests. Here are the performances of the 'top' 5 in the batting order. Total of 28 runs, 61, 28, and 40 runs in the last four innings. That is 157 for 20 wickets!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:49 GMT)

The turning point was the 4th test 1st morning when Dhoni after winning the toss chose to bat in overcast conditions knowing fully well that even Cook had sent Indians to bat after winning most tosses...even England would have struggled on that morning as the series was alive with pressure on both teams...Once the tide turned, pressure on England was off while on the other hand Indians found that defeats can be heavy like that and recovering from that emotional abyss was a huge task...thereafter it was just England hitting one nail after other on the coffin.

Posted by Kashi0127 on (August 17, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

What has happened is probably good for India indirectly. It will become like olden days - the beggiies Australia, England, South Africa will rarely tour Indfia and likewise invite India to tour their countries. Result - India will mostly play Zimbabwe, Bangla Desdh, Canada, Ireland etc. and hopefully win a few matches.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

I <3 India for giving such Entertainment to me by playing Cricket like this !

Posted by DnJsh on (August 17, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

India's IPL addiction showing it's effects, maybe? But primarily it seems like the Indian team has a collective defeatist attitude. If some players from the Ranji trophy were randomly picked and placed in the Oval, they would have put up a better fight simply because they'd not be ridiculously scared of England's bowling attack. Whereas India played like they had everything to lose (which they didn't; they had nothing to lose and should have played more freely).

It's also sad to see some Sri Lankan fans heckling India today. Maybe some Indians fans did the same during the SA-SL tests, but there is no excuse to fall to that level.

Posted by anuprakir on (August 17, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

Enough of this humiliation,high time this Indian team is thrown in to Indian ocean so that everything starts afresh

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

The BCCI must take the blame. This should have been a 3 or 4 test match series with a couple of warm ups in between. This team has never played a 5 test series over such a short period of time. It's foolish planning. Obviously BCCI's prime focus is with IPL.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:47 GMT)

Shameful, disgusting, disgraceful, pathetic these words might fell short what this Indian team has achieved during this 5 test series. Every single batsmen must take responsibility for their failure. BCCI should scrap all overseas test series and they should only play in our favorable home conditions against ban and Zim, God knows if India can beat them. Congrats to England team. By this form India will definitely lose 5-0 in ODI's. God help India.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (August 17, 2014, 16:47 GMT)

Just got back from the oval, as I stated yesterday India looked like they had thrown in the towel, today confirmed they'd done just that, the bowling this morning allowed england to put the game well out of their reach, 101 runs in 11 overs demonstrates this, followed by the abysmal second innings with 2 run outs when looking to wipe out a deficit shows this even more.

Listening to Sunil Gavaskar on TMS just reinforced these opinions, its a shame that the BCCI dont pick up the phone and listen to what he has to say, because god help india when they are in Aus.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 17, 2014, 16:47 GMT)

Please send some players to domestic circuit and they should prepare and play on seaming pitches. Time to take some hard decisions soon

Posted by JuveriaTabassum on (August 17, 2014, 16:46 GMT)

An ignominious defeat to say the least. Our players need to refine both their technique and their temperament in overseas conditions. The pointless series against WI cannot be scrapped now... but I think the board needs to think of allowing the A team to play that series and send players like Pujara, Kohli Vijay Shikhar and even MS Dhoni to play county cricket in England. A thrashing in Australia looks inevitable but we must at least be prepared to fight. It might even be MS Dhoni's last test series ever...Lets just do something and put some little measure of effort into our performance. Yes. The desperation from the fans is here for all to see. Waiting for a sign of desperation from our knighted team also!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:46 GMT)

Gutless, spineless, talentless..... the only thing this team has is money.... and alas, money cannot win a game of cricket . Dhoni should resign in shame, and most of the others should be dropped.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:46 GMT)

dear sri lankans u hav just won a test match in england and are feeling like the west indies team of 1970's and 1980's take some break coz things will definetely fall apart it is just the matter of time for u guys ............and as far as indian cricket is concernedwe will soon sack fletcher as coach and dhoni as captain as soon as that happens things will change for better to best .......mark my words sri lanka

Posted by wake_up_india on (August 17, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

The BCCI should be prevented by order from the Sports Ministry from sending Test teams outside the subcontinent until players of minimal Test playing skills have been found. Until such time, special permission should be sought from the ICC to let the women's team or the Under-19 team to represent Indian men.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

Disgrace. Utter disgrace. How can the current world champs stoop to such lows? Barely believable. All the learnings that happened in South Africa and New Zealand have been unlearned. They need to start from zero. Some drastic changes need to happen. The coaching prowess of Fletcher needs to be re-evaluated. Also, I suggest MSD should be relieved of captaincy at least in T20s.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 17, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

Time for fletcher to go. Appoint a indian coach. Surprisingly Indian team didnt show even a resemblence of fight.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:44 GMT)

I <3 India for giving such Entertainment to me by playing such a Cricket !

Posted by mzm149 on (August 17, 2014, 16:44 GMT)

Congrats England on a convincing series win and on getting back to form once again. You won against a rubbish and overrated team but a win is a win.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:44 GMT)

it is really shame on team India .The batsmen should play with some responsibility. Bcci have to react.Please change Duncan fletcher and bring some one like Dravid,Ganguly or Laxman as coach .Also reduce dhoni's pressure and make kohli as captain of test team.He failed in england but he is going through some tough period he will be back in form.He is very aggressive and we this ability in test format

Posted by cricpanther on (August 17, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

Few changes for India right away, ask MS to leave Test captaincy and do not talk about experience gain while this terrific defeat, do not spare dhoni this time and also please remove Virat Kohli from test team. Please appoint Gambhir as Test Captain this is high time for Gambhir and Sehwag!!! I am sure Dhoni has been given chance for a test captain for so so long time but enough is enough, I don't understand why dhoni himself is not taking decision to leave!!! he is too greedy for captaincy!!!!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

ICC Please give us some test series against Zimbabwe. So we can dream of winning an test series outside India. Because for the country like Zimbabwe BCCI won't send this team to play. They will send India A team & they are far better than this team.

Posted by SLSup on (August 17, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

Andrew Rees: Haha, did you "congratulate" IND on "...another great lost" (?) I'd say praise a win and leave a loss to grace.

Accordingly... I am not being critical of Rahul Dravid or IND support staff but this is a general comment: Those who play advisory roles really don't matter. Cricketers and the captain of the side must know what they do and be able to execute a game plan. Not to always win (which is impossible) but to win/lose/draw with a fight having played competitive cricket.

There were few things I pointed out before this ENG vs IND Test Series that proved right.

A) 5 Tests were too 2 too many

B) Series LACKED A PLOT except for the dark clouds that surrounded Cook's captaincy (when he wasn't really doing things wrong much though batting and losgin was an issue. Losses, like wins, are a reflection of a team, not one player.

C) IND would lose the Series

Also, Why schedule 5 days when you don't play that long and why 5 Tests if you can't stay focused that long.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

hahahaha... this is called world's best batting line up! what a fun!

Posted by vick2025 on (August 17, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

Congrats ENG..you guys outplayed India in every department. I think our Indian team forgets to bat, bowl, and field when playing outside of India...lol...anyways hopefully there will be changes in the team due to this defeat. But IMO, changing a player or a captain will not help the Indian team....they have to learn how to play in such english fast-pace conditions..until then...it will be one disappointment after another...Anyways looking forward for the ODIs...hopefully that won't be to fan depressing.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

Clarke can rest Mitchell Johnson when India tour Australia. .come on don't insult Johnson!

Posted by pz97 on (August 17, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

I think the cause for India's back to back defeats is due to mental fatigue caused after Lord's test after which Ishant Sharma was injured.This lowered their confidence too much and lost the 3 tests succesively though Ishant appearing in the last, their confidence was already drained and didn't looked to square the series but to lose it. Also they (Kohli , Pujara ,Dhawan , Jadeja ,Shami) didn't looked to be confident enough in the whole series given their test performances and their body language on the field. IPL is a big cause for this snub.. The IPL schedule should be shortened next time given their physical and mental fatigues of players witnessed later..

Posted by Herath-UK on (August 17, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

The thrashing India got only highlights how fantastic the Sri Lankan team was against the same England team with almost same bowlers but with much more difficult weather conditions. Sri Lanka deserve a four match Test series next time around definitely.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 17, 2014, 16:40 GMT)

I think captaincy pressure is getting on to Dhoni. It wont be a bad idea for him to give the reins to Kohli for the test series. Fletcher must go and i dont know understand why cant we find an indian coach instead of foreign Coach. Really surprised that indian ddint experiment with the batting order as Kohli and pujara were struggling. Could have opened with pujara or rahane. I think for test series Dhoni should give up his wicketkeeping also and play as a batsman, He is wonderful one day captain. Really surprised how Indian team capitulated. Good luck for one dayers

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:38 GMT)

I am so queries, why India playing 5 games at a time. They should play 1 or two games like a sri lanka. com on big three

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:38 GMT)

only a team which only can win at home, i dont know why

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:38 GMT)

Mitchell Johnson can be rested for Australia tour of India. Please don't insult Johnson!

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 16:37 GMT)

Moin Ali, Jordan, Woakes had bowling average above 45 before this series and now couple of them got it near 30! Every team even Zim, BD will be now eager to Invite India! Play them and improve your stats, finance income the extra bonus !!

Posted by Yuosufahmed on (August 17, 2014, 16:37 GMT)

It seems India wanted to avoid Moeen Ali.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:37 GMT)

Humiliation is a far less derogatory word for someone who has been used to humiliation for quite some time. The biggest losers are the fans of Indian cricket. It's better to be in the middle and fight than to helplessly watch a bunch of guys, who are supposedly representing your nation, unworthily getting massacred.

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (August 17, 2014, 16:36 GMT)

Average trundlers like Woakes and Jordan made to like express all-time-great speedsters, part-time off-spinners like Ali made to look like Muttiah Muralitharan - shame on you India. Now us Saffa and Ozzy fans have to endure over-confident English fans again. In the future this should only be a 3 match test series.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:35 GMT)

when we will learn from our mistakes, I think Dhoni should step down, give one more chance to shewag because he creates fear in the mind of bowlers, Pl bring sanju Sampson also

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:35 GMT)

Pathetic batting display by indian team its so miserable to see such kind of cricket from indians. They have good batsman who scored well in past in overseas but really the its shameful to be indian fan because its not about losing but its about the way they played in this series after 2nd test match which shockingly indian team won. Its very shamefulll....

Posted by RD_CricFan on (August 17, 2014, 16:35 GMT)

Indian team will see england in one day cricket because test matches are boring. Those who says test matches are real test of cricketer there where the skills of cricketers gone when they play one day matches. Indian team will see how skillful is England in one day cricket and in world cup

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:35 GMT)

One of the poorest performance by Indian in all departments. Poor Batting, Poor Bowling & Poorest Fielding.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:35 GMT)

Spineless display from India but I think SL fans spend the whole day commenting on this site .Wish they had some brains like Mahela and Sanga and would not interfere in other blogs .

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:34 GMT)

Dissolve this team and build a new one!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

Indian team should be demoted to play with bangladesh,Zimbabwe,ireland etc.,especially when they play overseas and promoted to tier 1 when they play in india especially in Test cricket.As Arjuna Ranatunge once said with IPL business venture the Indians will produce cricketing Butchers than proper skill cricketers of the Past like dravids,tendulkars,lakshmans,gavaskers,Vishvanaths etc.Its sadly turning out to be true.sad day for Indian cricket.

Posted by banglafan on (August 17, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

Like stock markets, even cricket teams are subjected to correcttions when the value and the price are way out of sync.

Posted by Cobra0077 on (August 17, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

Many here are doing a lot of finger pointing & if someone was allowed to play or why was someone not benched. The bottom line is India lost & as a team they did not perform under the conditions in England. In the first 2 test the conditions were somewhere between english and indian conditions(the pitch condition), but since then the pitch condition was a bit more like english condition & Indian players just could not perform under those conditions & when they were down committed some dumb mistakes. The starting point for India is to immediately start making pitches that play even to all participants. People say that well in Indian weather conditions that's how it is, that is not enough. There are huge race tracks constructed where the playing field is even to all participants (barring weather conditions) so why cannot a tiny cricket pitch not be constructed so that it plays even to all participants, batsmen, both pace & spin bowlers. Also indian team needs good fielding practice.

Posted by chincan on (August 17, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

Proof of India disintegration based upon total runs for India per Test over the series - 848, 637, 508, 313, 242. Remarkable. No bowling attack can function when they know they have to defend these numbers. As a result, total wickets taken by India per Test - 10 (flat bed), 20, 11, 10, 10.

Posted by RogerC on (August 17, 2014, 16:32 GMT)

There is something fishy in this tour. India didn't lose like they did last time when all tests were one-sided. In this tour, India dominated the first two tests and then suddenly played utterly crap cricket in the next three. It is just not possible to get 66-6 consistently unless you want to do that deliberately. Did anything go wrong between the players and the board after the Anderson-Jadeja affair?

Posted by Cricketfan11111 on (August 17, 2014, 16:32 GMT)

Congratulations England. Cook is a genuine leader. Honest when he was going through bad patch. Courageously stuck it out and turned the fortunes around for England and himself. Congratulations.

On the other hand Dhoni's delusional team selection was glaring to everyone but himself. To select Jadeja and Binny over Ashwin was the undoing of india. Ashwin would've broken Anderson Root partnership (199) in the first test early and india could've won. Lords test was fantastic for india. It showed Indian batsmen can play in English conditions. Indian bowlers can also be effective. After that all went wrong. india nose dived spectacularly. Commiseration guys. But no sympathy for Dhoni.

Posted by yohandf on (August 17, 2014, 16:32 GMT)

Dear All Indian cricket fans , you are cordially invited to watch final day of Mahela Jayawardene s test career tomorrow . Perhaps indian team had got out quickly to be able to watch it with clear minds .

Posted by Sameeratennakoon on (August 17, 2014, 16:32 GMT)

It's a shame that Indian fans are trying to say test cricket is dead cos they can't play any test cricket. This year Sri Lanka proved that test match cricket is still the most thrilling part of the game. They played games which went to the wire. Money and stats do not make a team strong. It's class you need to stay in the game. Admit that.

Posted by ranilranathunga on (August 17, 2014, 16:31 GMT)

Remember SL played in much more difficult conditions (early summer) with gloomy and cold weather...Indians dont have players in the caliber of great Sanga or Mahela or even players like Mathews, Kaushal...Sri Lanka won all formats...Losing si fine but losing without giving a fight and innings shows india are the worst in subcontinent and best flat track bullies. They are just an arrogant team who keep losing but make lot of noise. India are the new minnows...

Posted by RHSR on (August 17, 2014, 16:31 GMT)

India the present World Champions in 50 over format succumbed meekly to the English team who were humiliated by the Sri Lankans in T 20, T 50 and the test series only few weeks ago. The people in the subcontinent would like to see the World Cups remains in Asia and hence would have to support Sri Lanka the team that is emerging in all formats in rankings in Worls scenario

Posted by cricket_lover1 on (August 17, 2014, 16:31 GMT)

Shame on you team India. Match after match the defeat got bigger and bigger. This you call a 'PROCESS'. Do these players learn from their mistakes. Dhoni if you have any shame left please resign from test captaincy so that the new 'PROCESS' can begin since the current 'PROCESS' is not working. Duncan Fletcher..do you think you deserve to continue as coach?????please resign if you have some self-respect.

Posted by Cricketlover645 on (August 17, 2014, 16:30 GMT)

Ohh my ohh my what a lost & @ Big_Poppa_94 says Test Cricket is boring. My god man what is wrong with you IND fan. After some time you will even tell IND should not play Cricket at all. Very pathetic

Posted by Albert_cambell on (August 17, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

Joe root 149 not out in one innings. Virat Kohli 134 in 10 innings. This shows where these indian batsman belong in test cricket. They can only score in flat wickets and quick outfield in India.

Posted by nfsnafees123 on (August 17, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

it's all money playing, BCCI has sends India for a 5 match series, see what happens 3-1 and two of the matches completed within 3 days. Let India play t20s and 50 over matches. I just don't know when people will understand a true class player is a player who can play in any sort of conditions not only in flat pitches. For example Sachin, Ponting, Hayden, Sanga all could play on any conditions, but if you take this Indian team Kholi and the lot play well only on flat Indian pitches awesome.

Posted by SILVERSANGA on (August 17, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

@kingcobra85:- You are wrong. Sure we cant compare a 2 match series with a 5 match series.But you cannot say India would have won 1-0 if this was a 2 match series. When SL played England the first test was a draw and both teams tried everything possible to win the final test knowing that it was a do or die situation. Not the same case when India won the 2nd test! England might not have worked hard there knowing that still 3 tests to go! They saved their energy and busted India in next 3 tests. That's your strategy in a long test series. Bottom line- India were beaten comprehensively while SL won handsomely. India has been getting so many opportunities at overseas. many 4 and 5 match series in places like England and Australia onnce every 2 years where SL is a polar opposite. They rarely play in those venues and still India crumbles while SL have been much better. Currently SL, Pakistan are lot better than India outside Sub Continent.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

It certainly is time to re-consider player compensation, which should be strictly based on performance. Losing is okay, but attitude is not. Losing is okay but not even trying to save a match is NOT okay. There should be a board set up to decide if players ever tried to save a match. 50% weightage should be given to the board and the remaining 50% should come from audience poll. Just like the reality TV shows, audience should respond to a poll - "Did they sincerely play?" or "Was this performance worthy of their compensation". Based on the score, players should be paid salary or not paid at all. As it is, all their expenses are covered by the board. Is that not enough? The last two tests, no player should get any money.

Posted by Herath-UK on (August 17, 2014, 16:29 GMT)

The thrashing India got only highlights how fantastic the Sri Lankan team was against the same England team with almost same bowlers but with much more difficult weather conditions. Sri Lanka deserve a four match Test series next time around definitely.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:28 GMT)

Play more IPL in your backyard. That is what you Indians are ONLY good at. Flat track champs who had a HUGE hype saying that they are the world champions. Got smashed in NZ and now here in England. Boring series to watch but it was a good series to Englishmen to get some batting practice with some poor Club level Indian bowling attack. Heartiest congratulations to England from Sri Lanka well done England. But remember you just played against some club team here.....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:28 GMT)

India should play outside of their country.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:28 GMT)

for heaven sake sack Fletcher and appoint some Indian as the coach - somebody like Dada / dravid or laxman... secondly please sack dhoni from captaincy of the test team... I know that there are no apparent candidates but pujara or rahane can don the role... also v need to send the Indian players for a few seasons of county cricket if v have to win abroad

Posted by Namboory on (August 17, 2014, 16:27 GMT)

Great going England !!! ...... India should stop playing cricket. The team is just a bunch of losers headed by a great loser Dhoni, who seem to have some agenda other than playing cricket. The man who can be held responsible for spoiling the careers of Harbhajan, Sehwag, Zahir Khan etc.... has now spoiled the spirit of cricket as well by stuffing the team with Chennai Super Kings players !!! Disgusting !

Posted by endianuwagona on (August 17, 2014, 16:27 GMT)

Question by David Gower to Nasser Hussian - Who would win when Sri Lanka take on India in England (hypothetically) - Nasser Hussain's answer was SRI LANKA without any doubt....for the Indian listening to that, it would have sounded like clap of thunder...hahahahaha...take that India!!!!! 94 all out...Hilarious....India a member of the top 3.....hahahaha..more hilarious.....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:27 GMT)

Test cricket is not your cup of tea????? are you kidding. India has always been a top test side....but they are now a laughing stock. completely inept at all areas of play. lacking any character or passion. I would be outraged if this was my countries team. I would be expecting players to forfeit match fees and all be held accountable for a dismal series. to lose is one thing....to make an average England side look like an unbeatable force takes real lack of talent. pathetic.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:27 GMT)

Dear indian team I understand ur collapses. But since u r a young team u will struggle in England. It will take some time to get used to the wickets away from home

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:26 GMT)

India and the BCCI, an embarrassment of riches off the field - an embarrassment on the field. You can tell that these Indian players would rather be home being rich rock stars in the IPL than playing in these overly long overseas test matches. Too much concentration, too much hard work and too much technique required.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:26 GMT)

It not about the bad performance , but the skill and quality of Indian batsman.

Frankly speaking players like Gambhir , Kohli, Rahane , Pujara ,Rohit all the players of flat pitches , where there is no movement and bounce .

Their reflexes are slow. Even after 10 more test matches , they will perform like shame .

Indian fans will soon forget these defeat and soon these flat players will scores plenty of runs in India and win matches with weak team like West Indies and Zimbabe.

I will appeal to Indian media please don't hype India seasonal performer like Kohli and Pujara with great Sachin and Wall Rahul dravid. Sachin & Dravid have performed well in outside india and scored runs where as players like Kohli ,Pujara & Rohit can perform only in flat indian pitches .

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:25 GMT)

where is the worlds best finisher ?? where is the young Sachin ?? they used to call him ??? where was the famous win over England...at least not a white wash....1-3 last time i saw SL won test match IND def. Today also the same but 3 more wickets to go... Good luck INDIA....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:25 GMT)

Utterly dfisgusting. These "players" do not have any self-respect or backbone. They give in too easily. There are no Tendukars, Dravids, Laxmans, Gavaskars in this group, in their fashion sunshades, ho are more concerned about how they look than how they play. Dhoni and Ishant and Kumar tried, but it takes 11 to make a team.

Posted by Induwara on (August 17, 2014, 16:25 GMT)

Its really shameless India lost in such a margin,i have bit soft corner for India in this occasion even though how much they bash sri lankans ,too much IPL i feel ,furthur you need to know your strengths and weaknesses as well ,Indians seem not to have analyzed that part

Posted by Bare_Truth on (August 17, 2014, 16:24 GMT)

there is one thing common in both indian players and theis fans that is they never learn how pathetic they are even after this shameful defeat over and over again they say they are the best

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:23 GMT)

Indian cricket team has become a laughing stock. Say no more.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (August 17, 2014, 16:22 GMT)

Well,just as expected.All over and 3-1 Eng.Congrats to them on a good series W.Good batting,bowling,not least catching playing its part.Over to limited overs.Looking for another clean sweep in 5 odi,t20.An encore from '11. Good luck Eng!

Posted by yohandf on (August 17, 2014, 16:22 GMT)

ECB authorities . give more test matches to sri lanka like you give to India . We atleast make sure game goes for the 5th day like we did in early summer when we won 1-0 . No intention to disrespect but its a fact that India was listless here . hope they ll come hard in ODI .

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:21 GMT)

Indian fans atleast now come back to earth and stop overrating average Indian batsman's

Posted by Alistair0610 on (August 17, 2014, 16:20 GMT)

Scrap the IPL and Champions League, it's doing immense damage to Indian and World cricket

Posted by Herath-UK on (August 17, 2014, 16:19 GMT)

The thrashing India got only highlights how fantastic the Sri Lankan team was against the same England team with almost same bowlers but with much more difficult weather conditions. Sri Lanka deserve a four match Test series next time around definitely.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:18 GMT)

Reality_Bytes2014 see sour grapes have not gone out of fashion

Posted by Cricketlover645 on (August 17, 2014, 16:18 GMT)

Who said "BIG THREE" it seems "BIG TWO & SMALL FUNNY ONE" isn't it ?

Posted by ksquared on (August 17, 2014, 16:17 GMT)

At last the nightmare is over.......Well at least for some players ;) In all seriousness who ever thought that giving 5 tests to this mediocre Indian team who are notoriously bad travelers was a good idea should be fired immediately! They clearly should have stuck with the 3 tests for SL 4 for IND format and even then SL would have been far more competitive and clearly better prepared. Just got to feel for the fans and the spectators who have been thoroughly cheated. Guess India should stick to what they know best, IPL and ODI cricket in the subcontinent.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:16 GMT)

nothing will happen. we will be back in 2017 again boasting that the indian team is strong and will beat everyone in the way. and then face the same results.. and what more, dhoni just said it.. we have to now move on and "enjoy the odi and t20" wow! what a determination... what else can be the state of affairs given the way indian cricket board works. its all about money.. back home these lads will cool their heels and within no time forget all. the public will forget too.. and we will see shampoo and deodorant ads from kohli and co.. thats business for them and we, the rest of fans, get too emotional about our country pride..

if they cannot learn the lesson 3 yrs ago and worse now, nothing will change.. Aus will be the same, if not worse.. ] so, best is for those who feel for india, focus on another sport!!

Posted by BeAHuman on (August 17, 2014, 16:16 GMT)

Well some people have achieved what they wanted! Yes where did you hear this? "The ICC revamp was agreed to prevent India from making T20 club cricket the most popular". So India lost to ensure that India are not in demand for test series. This process started after the money and success the league brought. So the seniors were sent out. Now MSD and some people have become too powerful. But one thing is sure - if this defeat does not throw out Duncan, then what else will? MSD must go from test captaincy. In fact the famous T20 specialist must leave. Players who can play for pride should play tests. In fact we can have two governing bodies for cricket in India.

Okay lets say India were not good, then how about England in Australia? In fact Ishant is getting wickets due to Mitch's bouncers! The fact is it is clear that India did not want to. Even worse Indian teams have fought somewhat. But it is clear that this is methodical.

This will backfire on India.

Posted by ali14pakistani on (August 17, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

Such a shame, fans expected better, maybe not a series win, but a good fight at least, wonder hpw India lost their way after going 1-0 in the series.

Posted by TharakaNilupul on (August 17, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

England was wrong to give 5 Test match series to wrong country. They are not interesting at all. most of them finished in three days. I cant think even they were test matches. How ever india should look to tour to Zimbabwe to find their form. And England should consider about give more matches such as Sri Lanka or Pakistan who can win or at least fight until day 5.

Posted by cricfansince91 on (August 17, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

Full Congratulations to the English team, you have been brilliant in this series & had it not been for Ishant Sharma getting his radar right on last day at Lords, you may well have won 4-0.. Too shocked at this capitulation by the young team!! but what do you expect when team's 2 main batsmen did not have anyone to guide them through this phase of bad form but a rubber stamp coach and the bowlers always had a Captain giving them weirdest of fields containing fielders who always dropped catches!!! Simply put the Indian team wasted the momentum gained at Lords by needlessly stretching the Jadeja-Anderson issue and wasting their energy in that!!! The team management unnecessarily blew it out of proportion as it only gave a tired English team a renewed vigour.. Frankly if even after this Dhoni is not dropped from team; the whole BCCI should be sacked!!!

Posted by Arun_D on (August 17, 2014, 16:13 GMT)

India's privilege as a test playing nation should be revoked.Even Zimbabwe would have not lost in such a manner..such a shame

Posted by CricketChat on (August 17, 2014, 16:12 GMT)

It is fair to say Ind test cricket is in ruins. It can't get any worse than say losing to Zim or Bangladesh at this point. However, good things always start from ruins, so there is always hope. For Ind to rise again in tests, they must get rid of hopeless players in Dhawan, Gambhir, Binny, Pankaj, Ishant, Dhoni, and Jadeja from tests. Drop Pujara ana Kohli until they show signs of form in domestic series. Invest only in specialists, not bits and pieces. Don't play more than 3 tests in a series. Play at home for next 2 yrs. BTW, Congrats to Eng for annihilating the opposition and coming back from the Lord's low so strongly.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:12 GMT)

Test cricket is not our cup of tea as far as India is concerned. We are expecting a better performance in One dayers & T - 20. Now comes the question of captaincy , any taker Kohli (Out of form ) Ashwin ( difficult to find in the team in foreign condition ), May be Pujara...?

Posted by thozar on (August 17, 2014, 16:11 GMT)

ok, well played England but please remember this does not prove your batting or bowling is great. Some of our players have been totally abysmal while some have petered out over the course of this series. But we will come back strong. I single out Duncan Fletcher as the biggest reason for this defeat. BCCI, please sack Fletcher and get another good coach. I still believe in our players. There are very few positives after such hefty defeats but Aaron is a huge positive. B.Kumar has proved himself too. It is also worth noting that Ishant is back to wicket taking ways after a barren but unfortunate run. Ashwin also responded with 3 wickets but I am not sure how successful he will be in Oz. Overall bowling looks ok but batting needs to step up. Our batsmen may have problems against swing but we can play seam and bounce as we showed in S Africa. We need to trust this group of players as they are among the best we got.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:10 GMT)

Change MS DHONI, He doesn't deserves to be in the test Squad. Naman Ojha should have been in the playing XI. MSD should play as a Specialist Batsman only. Right time to rebuild the team. MSD is a clever man that's why he doesn't give chances to other Wicketkeepers. Shame on him.

Posted by nfsnafees123 on (August 17, 2014, 16:10 GMT)

I am the most happiest man in the world at the moment. Indians play only in the sub-continent. BCCI make arrangements for India to play only in the sub-continent please don't send them to Aussie or England if you want them to win.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:10 GMT)

What India have done in England is very normal these days, i.e. to thrash teams at home and lose heavily abroad. All teams (except for South Africa), and most of their players are home bullies only. Cricket must be the only sport where home advantage is extremely huge. Yet, the cricket ratings an statistics do not differentiate between home and away performances. It is time that the ICC steps in and makes contests meaningful by reducing home advantage. For example, pitch preparation should be with the away team and its curator, toss should be won by default by the overseas team, the overseas team should get more reviews and the umpires should even be at least one from the overseas team.

Posted by phat55 on (August 17, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

the all-conquering Indians do it again! takes a special effort to lose by an innings & 244 runs ouch! everyone waited for Sachin to get his 100th century & now everyone is waiting for Team India to score a 100 collectively hahahahaha!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

I Think we (Indian People and Media) spoiled the India Team. Each and every one gives their own advices (including Commentators like harsha, gavaskar etc). that lands our player in dilemma. If Dhawan, Kohli, Pujara, Rahane Dhoni and Ashwin would have played their natural play they would have scored 1000times better than what they have done. we pressurized them more to play game like test (more defensive game). PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE Leave them alone and let them play their natural game. ( remember kohle scored more runs in Australia when he played his natural stroke play.

Posted by SILVERSANGA on (August 17, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

@kingcobra85:- You are completely wrong. Sure we cant compare a 2 match series with a 5 match series.But you cannot say India would have won 1-0 if this was a 2 match series. When SL played England the first test was a draw and both teams tried everything possible to win the final test knowing that it was a do or die situation. Not the same case when India won the 2nd test! England might not have worked hard there knowing that still 3 tests to go! They saved their energy and busted India in next 3 tests. That's your strategy in a long test series. Bottom line- India were beaten comprehensively while SL won handsomely. India has been getting so many opportunities at overseas. many 4 and 5 match series in places like England and Australia onnce every 2 years where SL is a polar opposite. They rarely play in those venues and still India crumbles while SL have been much better. Currently SL, Pakistan are lot better than India outside Sub Continent.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:08 GMT)

The same old story.. india lose again.. Bcci plzz dnt arrange any more tours... Tired of watching losses and lossses

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:08 GMT)

Good thing India secured their big 3 status administratively because their performances are pathetic. Their millionaire players should refund all spectator admission fees as well as be responsible for the early finish refunds. Hit them in the hip pocket & they might lift the game. Plus get rid of a captain who obviously has no regard for test cricket.

Posted by John_Geo on (August 17, 2014, 16:08 GMT)

India was exposed in this series. Fielding of course was never India's strong point but I thought batting failure was something unbelievable when media repeatedly claim that this is the strongest batting line-up in the world. I was personally surprised about Virat Kholi's lack of technique and character - a player many cricketing pundits predict as the next Tendulkar. So much so for the biggest of the big 3....

This team needs serious reorganising and fresh talent (including captain and coach). A dedicated team for test might be a good option for India to contemplate on considering the overwhelming count of ODIs and T20s they are involved in.

Posted by Chncricfan_2k0 on (August 17, 2014, 16:08 GMT)

Very bad performance by this Indian team in any sense..I have been watching cricket for almost last 18 years very closely, for all these years, I never seen the Indian team perform this badly under any captain and coacher..even we can't blame Dhoni here solely bcoz no captain in this world would want his team to lose, but what other players doing in this team...Come on BCCI take bold decisions to remodel this Indian team..!

Posted by SL_Fan_1985 on (August 17, 2014, 16:08 GMT)

Heart breaking Defeat for India... every time Indian batting was the problem.. SL never defeat like this in recent past in Eng. Aslo, I feel India need big changes in captaincy and coaching. Also, they need positive approach. Sorry indian fans..(I'm a SL fan waiting until tomorrow to see SL defeat Pakistan in Legend MAHELA'S FARE WELL match.... )

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (August 17, 2014, 16:07 GMT)

Why is this a 5 Match Test series. We only got a 3 match series now teams like England and Australia get to boost their ranking points.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:07 GMT)

Its bcci fault India would have won 1-0 if they had arranged two test match series like Lankan.

Posted by whatawicket on (August 17, 2014, 16:07 GMT)

i think i said on here the last time india toured the uk. that they should be sending the younger pace bowlers here to play competitive cricket. also the indian pitches should be dug up and buy some Surrey loam ( which Lancashire use at OT ). to prepare good pitches given pace bowlers and batters the chance to play good cricket shots. will they, i expect not

Posted by cricfansince91 on (August 17, 2014, 16:07 GMT)

Full Congratulations to the English team, you have been brilliant in this series & had it not been for Ishant Sharma getting his radar right on last day at Lords, you may well have won 4-0.. Too shocked at this capitulation by the young team!! but what do you expect when team's 2 main batsmen did not have anyone to guide them through this phase of bad form but a rubber stamp coach and the bowlers always had a Captain giving them weirdest of fields containing fielders who always dropped catches!!! Simply put the Indian team wasted the momentum gained at Lords by needlessly stretching the Jadeja-Anderson issue and wasting their energy in that!!! The team management unnecessarily blew it out of proportion as it only gave a tired English team a renewed vigour.. Frankly if even after this Dhoni is not dropped from team not only BCCI but all of us Indian spectators should be criticised!!!!!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:05 GMT)

Being an Indian I cant stop from laughing at some of the comments posted by my fellow country men.These were the same guys that Pujara is next Dravid Kholi will break all Tendulkar records Sanjay Manjrekar said Kholi will score minimum 3 centuries.The team becomes inexperienced or well settled unit as per convenience of the fellow Indians on one side they this drew a game against SA almost won a series in Nz and now presto suddenly this side becomes inexperienced what a transformation.I don't get the logic and thinking of these guys.Basically I have no issues in loosing or batsmen going out of form.Genius people said India lost with seniors too guys putting up a fight is what matters you tried your best and lost well done no issues but such meek surrender is not right and to cover Big Poppa says test is boring if so why are you here mate.England came to India and beat us last time incase ppl have forgotten.If there was a better time to win a series it was now as England were down

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (August 17, 2014, 16:05 GMT)

We are not good enough to play test cricket in overseas. But JEEZ whats wrong with these SL fans. Some really pathetic comments to boast as if they conquered 5-0 in Eng.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:05 GMT)

A 2nd.consecutive Innings defeat suffered by India is as disgraceful and shameless as it gets!! So heavily one-sided,they looked worse than a 2nd.div.club side in England.Probably they should now learn how to cope in English conditions,from the Indian womens team who recorded a historic victory over England couple of days back. The last 4 innings have been a constant procession by the batsmen,hurrying back to the pavilion after getting out in bizarre fashion.They never demonstrated any sense of responsibility and pride of playing for their country.It actually looked they had forgotten the basics,as they tried their best,to get out in almost every delivery they faced. SACK DUNCAN FLETCHER NOW, we will not miss him. It doesn't get any worse than this!! Induct new promising faces who would at least try to make a difference, & not persist with thick skinned, spoilt by pomp & riches cricketers who have simply lost their hunger to fight for India. Its now or never!!

Posted by Venkatb on (August 17, 2014, 16:05 GMT)

Now that the Indians have an extra 2 days of London shopping and the luxury of 5-star digs in London, they should make the most of it. Of course when they return to India, there will be the usual Z-level security, Padma Bhushan recommendations, etc. And let no one on this team fear for his place except perhaps Gambhir - the Indian cupboard is bare. The ICC should make a call on whether India should be put to pasture as they did to Zimbabwe. The first to go would be the coach ignoring the reality that Indians just cannot be coached - their mega egos and purses mean that we have to continue to tolerate this mediocrity. First the egos have to go out and then they have to join a boot camp like the ones American professional teams go through - the coaches will scream into their faces, the rigor would match military training - nothing short of that would change Indian cricket.

Posted by RahaneRules on (August 17, 2014, 16:04 GMT)

why all are blaming rahane he scored 300 runs and he was unlucky in last match i saw a comment that if root was there in rahanes place he would hav smashed it for four and what is that comment and why dont people see matches and comment just watching scores root had all the luck in the world if root is such a good player then why didnt he scored 150runs in 10 innings in ashes and i want to know how root would hav played on lords green top and one final thing check the away avg of rahane and root and u will see who is better (rahane is almost double of root) and rahane was in top 5 run getters all the time he played away so stop commenting just by looking scorecards by the way laxman avg in eng is 25 and rahane is 34 and rahane will get chances to improve and he will improve and i want to see root facing steyn and co because he cant handle pace

Posted by sam16231 on (August 17, 2014, 16:04 GMT)

I'm a Sri lankan but I'll give my honest opinion about this Indian team. India is not a bad team, but currently SL test team is better than them. The reason is SL still has Sanga, herath. When these retire, SL is also going to struggle unless they find some talented batsmen soon. Did you guys see Sanga's interview after his lord's hundred. He talked about all the technical adjustments subcontinental players have to make in england, his innings was more about preparation than skill. The current team india is a very inexperienced team, but the real question is will they improve their overseas record. I'm not really sure they will improve, this is not because guys like Kohili are not talented they certainly are , but if they keep playing in IPL and at home it is not going to happen.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:03 GMT)

Feeling Shameful by watching such a distraous performance by Team India. Not even think about such a painful performance.

Posted by amitsak on (August 17, 2014, 16:03 GMT)

Its a spineless display by Indian players. Any team which is low on morale needs to invite these guys to play. 3 days and match is over , not once twice in a row. PATHETIC. These guys dont take much privide and care cause of IPL money and crap like that. You play Kohli in all matches but Binny is a problem when he scored more runs than him ? He practically saved a match. They shouldnt play these guys in Test match, 50/50 and T20.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:03 GMT)

I would love to watch Philander and Steyn bowl to India in those conditions. I don't think india would have made 100 runs total.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 16:03 GMT)

India should bring back sehwag,yuvraj,zaheer khan,harbajan singh, irfan pathan and sack kohli,jadeja,dhoni,rehane,vijay etc..,,

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:02 GMT)

my wife asking me why i m so angry from last two days ..i was unable to explain but suddenly i realise it indian team performance have changed my behavior...

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 16:02 GMT)

Congratulations to the world champions on another Great loss.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

@kingcobra85 inexperienced team? they played more overseas test series in last year, how could u say they re inexperienced. accept ur defeat & support ur team to bounce back. u must bear others trolls,words cz u guyz so much bark when others lost a single match. shame on u indian fans!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

this is really a shame for india. they play so much cricket all year around with packed schedule and yet they are being beaten in almost every game. this is confirmed that they can only play and score big on slow tracks.

Posted by Anuradha1982 on (August 17, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

@kingcobra85: that's what we have been saying for last 5 years to give us more test match and reduce the numbers of test matches played by overhyped team like INDIA. and now your are a part of that BIG THREE and why don't you guys take the initiative. but, if that happened records of some of your BIG players who retired would have been nowhere. its a bitter pill mate.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

Bcci should enforce some rules when india plays abroad. These are - opposite team will bat only once, Indian team will be given two chances for each wicket, a test would be played only for 3 days.

Posted by Reality_Bytes2014 on (August 17, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

India did play poorly but its hard to figure out what caused the players to get demotivated after the 2nd test match all of a sudden ? Is it the low morale in the dressing room after the poor ruling coming in over the Jadeja-Anderson incident ? We don't know. But we know that the whole side losing its form for 3 test matches in a row cannot be a coincidence. Its a serious question for ICC if the poor performance is somewhere linked to the low morale of the team than anything else ? The Jadeja-Anderson incident might be a one-off come-and-go thing in the series but ask the players and the teams the impact it has on the morale if the ruling goes the other way. Who knows if David Boon had made a correct decision and gone with a Level1/Level2 Offence on Anderson (instead of an unjustified 50% match fine on Jadeja), we may have seen a lifted Indian side and probably a de-spirited England side in the last 3 test matches ?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:58 GMT)

take away test status of india!! kohli is good with his fairness cream!!y u guys dragging this lad??

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:57 GMT)

Got over confident with some players who performed very well with IPL. Good eye opener for India. England played very positively after their series loss to Sri Lanka.It is a team effort that England bounced back graciously

Posted by Sameeratennakoon on (August 17, 2014, 15:55 GMT)

Indian fans are too harsh on Dhoni. If he quits Tests ,any match against India would end in day 3. India got everything to be improved. Even their body language. Kohli's reaction after his dismissals is disgraceful. He is not Bradman or was not a wrong decision by umpire. Just very pathetic..

Posted by crzcric on (August 17, 2014, 15:55 GMT)

Certainly india made history. well played Mighty india

Posted by sussmith0589 on (August 17, 2014, 15:55 GMT)

Hello India. Please come to Zimbabwe for a Test series...Taylor and his boys are looking for teams to beat.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 15:54 GMT)

Unfortunate but expected and humiliated defeat by the Indians !!!!

Posted by 214ty on (August 17, 2014, 15:54 GMT)

What are the Indian batting and bowling coaches doing? Don't they see that England bowl a full length, and they must adopt the same method! Why are the Indian bowlers bowling so short? Line and length was their demise. Coaching is not just bowling in the nets. Coaching is to identify a good length spot on the ground and learn how to pitch that ball consistently in that good length spot and transfer that method to the real game.

The Indian batsmen have no batting technique. Imagine them going forward on the off side with the bat at a 100 degree angle, ball ends up on leg side. Which means that their body was not behind the ball. No confidence. Looks like Gambir just wanted to get this thing over with.

Posted by crzcric on (August 17, 2014, 15:54 GMT)

5-0 Win for Mighty india. What a series. I won't forgrt kohli's 3 hunderes, Pujara's 200 and Dhoni's amazing finish .He is the best captain in the world. Well done best team in the world.

Posted by nursery_ender on (August 17, 2014, 15:54 GMT)

osted by Big_Poppa_94 on (August 17, 2014, 15:19 GMT) India are World Champions and that only matters.

I don't recall anyone saying test cricket didn't matter when India were (briefly) top of the Test rankings.

Posted by whatawicket on (August 17, 2014, 15:53 GMT)

i worry for Indian cricket, all this then in the winter off to oz, not sure the # of tests but expect a big zero for India. similar when the Aussies toured India it was 4 - 0, i expect the result will be reversed big time, where the Aussies are more ruthless than England, if that's possible because over the last 3 tests England have not taken their foot of the Indian necks.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 15:53 GMT)

Well Well Well.....India played much better in this series if we take a look in their previous record, here atleast they won one test match out of India.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:53 GMT)

happend what i said 3-1 for ENGLAND.congratz. . . we are sadly dissapointed with this performance as a asian team.keep calm n play IPL :-)

Posted by mikkkk on (August 17, 2014, 15:52 GMT)

We've probably seen why India never get 5 match series. They just aren't in the same league as the major cricketing nations. They were given this series for the soul purpose of elevating their status and massaging their egos. They speak of their players as "Legends" and "Gods" on the back of what they do in some cricket circus.

Open your eyes India, the lessons are there as they were after the last series. You ignored them then, are you going to do the same again...?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:50 GMT)

dear friends why to comment and waste our words. no one will be drop except rohit sharma who will be made scapegoat. others will remain and score in next test series which is easy one with west indies and people will forget all. But poor chap rohit will be made scapegoat .

Posted by AltafPatel on (August 17, 2014, 15:49 GMT)

In first innings, Dhoni might be telling the world, 'look we can play 50 overs in an innings', now folded in half overs ! ODI to T20...!

Posted by Greatest_Game on (August 17, 2014, 15:49 GMT)

So Stuart Binney turns out to be India's best batsman in their last innings. What a rich irony, & what a pathetic showing from over-rated flat track bullies. Bangladesh or Zimbabwe would have given a much better account of themselves. Heck, their under 19 teams would have done better than this bunch of over paid t20 hackers.

Difficult to believe anything could save Alistair Cook's career, but against all odds this below club level team did just that. The brightest spot was Ishant proving his detractors wrong. Forget Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan, only Aaron, Bhuvi & Ishant come out of this series with their heads held high. The rest looked like amateur croquet players who wandered into a cricket match by mistake.

Before the series all the talk was about India's batting strength, & India's bowling weakness. The bowling was NOT the problem! Until Indian domestic cricket is played on proper cricket pitches, India will be humbled on anything but flat tracks. Heck, they can't even play spin!

Posted by Piyush_Advani on (August 17, 2014, 15:47 GMT)

As for my previous comment, it was addressed only to those Lankan fans who got a bit overboard with their victory and started bashing our team unnecessarily.

And to Big_Poppa_94, we haven't won a test series on away soil for over 4 years now, lost to England at home, and yet you bring up the World Cup which we won 4 years ago?We couldn't win the 2014 T20 Cup and there is a high chance that we will lose the 50 over Cup the upcoming summer, so stop boasting about limited overs success.

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (August 17, 2014, 15:47 GMT)

@Big_Poppa_94: If the Indians don't like test cricket, they should leave it be. The whole format doesn't have to be scrapped. In the words of Andy Roberts "If you can't handle the heat, get out!"

Posted by Anuradha1982 on (August 17, 2014, 15:47 GMT)

Big_Poppa_94 has the same problem which the current INDIAn team having right now, overconfident and over hype. feel really pity for the se guys.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:47 GMT)

i am a big fan of indian women team .......

Posted by T-800 on (August 17, 2014, 15:46 GMT)

Its feels like an episode of theHELLRAISERr, where even though the hero dies, You are thankful the movie(nightmare) is over

Posted by DesaiVijay on (August 17, 2014, 15:45 GMT)

Time for Dhoni to at least quit Test Cricket. If he is not ready, tell him India will be visiting England for a 5 test series again in 2015.

The only solution to keep the quality of the game is abolish IPL and pay them based on performance (the successful mantra of Industries).

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:44 GMT)

kohli was next sachin oh boy u cant even touch his feet if u get 25 cent in test .den we wil call u better dan sachin

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

@lester,yes mate we are taking over world cricket,and you had better get used to the fact.

Posted by nursery_ender on (August 17, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

Posted by Siddhant Kharel on (August 17, 2014, 15:21 GMT) this is weakest performance ever in a series

Short memories. The previous England tour was far worse.

Posted by spinkingKK on (August 17, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

If there was a relegation system, India will be soon relegated. India just haven't got international standard players. I can only see Aaron and Dhoni who can be classified as international players. Need to find 9 others in the playing 11. I have to admit India still have a good ODI team. Apart from not having a good team, India also got a boring test team so that nobody will care to watch their matches anyway. With a run rate of 2 runs an over and their fast bowlers bowling only 80mph (Before Aaron. I don't think they will persist with Aaron too long) and the slip fielders who only holds the catches once in a while, it is one of the most boring team ever to play test cricket. India should bring Laxman back from retirement and make him to lead the team. Dhoni plays good and is a terrrific cricketer. But, he shouldn't be selected. Because, he will spoil the team by deliberately not batting properly under Laxman's captaincy. So, Ojha or Samson should be selected as the keeper.

Posted by T-800 on (August 17, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

Well, the only good thing I can say about this match finishing like this in 3 days is...

Thank God the nightmare is finally over!!

Posted by Ajmal_Chucker on (August 17, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

India are an overrated team and very ordinary. They don't have any players that can bat against the moving ball and also seem to not play the spinning ball well anymore. Team lacks serious talent I'm sorry to say.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:42 GMT)

I am just happy that it was only 5 test series. If it had been 10 test series then India will be happily repeating its disasters performance. No improvement from last 3 tests. Wonder what Coach and captain has been doing with all the extra gap they get by losing the tests in 3 days. Look at English coaching unit, they revived a team that lost in Lords into a successful team. They rebuild confidence in such a short time. This is where you need a coach and captain to step up and save a team from poor run. If batting unit fails in 1 or 2 innings it is quite acceptable. But continuous failure without even a hint of fight is too bad. Indian coach needs to be sacked. Can't replace captain though as there is no replacement who is in form.

Posted by smukhles on (August 17, 2014, 15:42 GMT)

94!!!!!!!!!!! India!!!!!!!!! All Out!!!!! Defeated by an innings and 244 runs!!!!!! I thought Kenya or Afghanistan was playing when I started watching this match.Hopefully some arrogant Indian supporters will learn how to be humble in massive defeat though the chance of that happening is non existent.

Posted by SajithaD on (August 17, 2014, 15:41 GMT)

Hey guys, before the series started there was a debate about whether india can do what Sri Lankans did, and the answer is more than convincing... Anyway if you guys meet "Rajesh_india", "vikias", "yousufahmed", give my deep condolence to them... And don't call your team flat track bullies, they have been enough bullied by both spinners and fast bowlers this tour... And guys, you never understood the winning and losing both pat of cricket and you guys insulted other teams and players pretty badly... What goes around comes around... Anyway this is not about losing, its about losing without a fight, fight which usually other subcontinent teams PAK, SL and BAN always do...

Posted by Lord_mac on (August 17, 2014, 15:41 GMT)

@Dinuth Yapa: fair enough, I guess we'll have to take that one on the chin! A closely fought test series of 2 games, in which the survivability of both number 11s decided it! It would be interesting to know what would have happened had we played India first!

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (August 17, 2014, 15:41 GMT)

India have been sorted out here. If Australia can stay in form after the long lay off, there will be no respite either. Interesting they have yet another series with the Windies only a few months after another one!? Good chance for them to pick up their confidence again, but on those pitches, you will be sorted out on faster ones.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:40 GMT)

pls do not call us ( india ) to play test cric in eng hereafter as we are born to lose

Posted by Nuwas on (August 17, 2014, 15:40 GMT)

There is no need to put much more salt in the wounds. So I will just Congratulate England on their Test Series Win....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:40 GMT)

@Big_Poppa_94 on (August 17, 2014, 15:19 GMT)

If that's not someone burying their heads in the sand! It's all ok because you beat the West Indies 31 years ago? lolololololol

You keep playing as you are and people will lose interest in T20. Then the money stops. Then what? Will everything be ok with Indian cricket if you win the ODI's...........

Posted by Piyush_Advani on (August 17, 2014, 15:40 GMT)

@Big_Poppa_94, ignorant fans like you are the reason the BCCI council does not pay heed to test cricket in the country. If you are not tough enough to play this format, don't call for it to be scrapped all together. There is a reason why over 100 Associate Nations fight for 2 Test Status Cards, its a man's game. Either own up or go play hit n' giggle.

To all the Sri Lankan fans, your team did well earlier. For that, congrats. But then those who think that India deserves only 2 match series, had this been a 2 match series, India would have 1-0. Infact, they dominated the first 2 matches, while you guys barely scrapped to a win. What makes you think that if you had played the poms in a 5 match series, they wouldn't have thrashed you like they did to us??

Posted by Cricfever_PM on (August 17, 2014, 15:39 GMT)

It's time for India to throw Fletcher and appoint some Indian Coach, under his leadership we achieved all the humiliation and no need of his service. This young Indian batting lineup looks completely worthless and with them we can't do anything, it's time for total revamp.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:39 GMT)

Its a part of a game. India need to concentrate on their bowling.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:38 GMT)

Bring back SRT will you. and Dravid, Gangully may be Kumble too..Please?

Posted by UnbiasedCricFan on (August 17, 2014, 15:37 GMT)

@ S.Seshachalam Why should Dhoni be dropped? He scored runs for the team, the only consistent batsmen!

For you guys blaming Dhoni for the loss, blame him for his field positions, bowling changes but cannot blame him if wickets fall around him!

Posted by Lord_mac on (August 17, 2014, 15:37 GMT)

Sad to see India playing this badly. Even worse to see some of their supporters claiming that Test cricket is dead, just because they can't play it at the moment. Unless they knuckle down and apply themselves to the purist form of the game, they'll find themselves behind Afghanistan and China in the world rankings.

Stlll, how much we've missed Pietersen eh? :-)

Posted by crkt10 on (August 17, 2014, 15:37 GMT)

We should have played Indian women team against England men... at least they could managed to make 183 runs.

Posted by kingcobra85 on (August 17, 2014, 15:35 GMT)

To all SL fans please post your messages for Mahela and its not here. SL played in a Two test series if that is the case India would have won the series by now as they were leading 1-0 after two tests.

Shameful performance since then but this is the most inexperienced touring side ever and it showed. Need some heads to role and a fresh start. All good no hope lost.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:35 GMT)

Hammered and Humiliated

Posted by AvidCricFan on (August 17, 2014, 15:35 GMT)

At least the period of agony is over for the Indian fans. I don't think ODIs will be much different. The team is demoralized and the for players continuing from the test team into ODI, it will be difficult time to endure. BCCI needs to seriously think how they are going to find and groom players to play test matches in future. Certainly, the domestic setup is not conducive to produce good test players any more. Ranji trophy is barely to the level of English club cricket these days. The rest is all IPL cricket show where players can barely hone their skills.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:35 GMT)

Hurray England u deserve this EASY win. Wishes from Sri Lanka. Flat track is the only key for the current SO CALLED world cup champs.

Posted by pollachiprakash on (August 17, 2014, 15:35 GMT)

This is the worst performance i have ever seen in my life change the captain and the coach ..it looks like they purposely played bcz they dont want 5 test matches here after

Posted by 214ty on (August 17, 2014, 15:34 GMT)

I stopped watching these games since the fourth test, cause India is an embarrassment. I don't believe so many cricketers that are in India, Gambir is their only choice. Gambir should not have been on this tour. Bad team selection always result in bad results. A good example I always maintained - if Michael Hussey was selected for the 2005 tour of England, Australia may not have lost the Ashes. So, bad team selection always come back to bite you.

Posted by siddhartha87 on (August 17, 2014, 15:33 GMT)

pathetic performance really. They cant handle bounce of Anderson what will they do against MJ and Harris this winter? BCCI should really call off down under tour and start IPL winter version so that "world's best batting line up" can score some runs

Posted by HDG1978 on (August 17, 2014, 15:33 GMT)

I state very categorically that I hate this Team India not Team India. And can never ever forgive Dhoni, Kohli and Pujara for whatever has transpired in England over the past month or so. Hate you MSD

Posted by Gustus on (August 17, 2014, 15:33 GMT)

This side cannot handle the Aussie biwling

Posted by thalagune on (August 17, 2014, 15:32 GMT)

errr,,,where is Mr Arun Bose,Rajesh India_1990,the famous guys have gone missing from this site.,love from sri lanka and miss your silly comments here..hehe

Posted by aman15 on (August 17, 2014, 15:32 GMT)

@big_poppa_94 Please check some facts before commenting. Pakistan won 3 consecutive times in England between 87 and 97 and have won in new Zealand. Moreover pakistan was the only team which did not bow down to the might of West indies in the 80's and drew 3 consecutive series with them, fantastic achievement considering how great was that west indian side was. And just because India is loosing miserably doesn't make test cricket boring. Test cricket is the ultimate test of a cricketers skill and character.BTW I am an Indian cricket fan and just who just enjoys good cricket regardless of the team.

Posted by UnbiasedCricFan on (August 17, 2014, 15:32 GMT)

Now that the test series is over. 3-1 to ENG congratulations to them, they deserved it. Only positives we can take, this is Dhoni's best series in terms of making ruins.

Now ODI's are coming, Dhoni will obviously bring that form, let see if Kholi, Jinx, Ishant etc bring theirs. Dhoni is a much better player and captain in ODI lets see if we can white wash England in this series.

BTW FACTS FOR SOME PEOPLE

Dhoni lost 14 AWAY TESTS Ganguly lost 10 Away TEST

Though Dhoni Has Captained in 9 More Tests. His Win percentage is better then DADA in tests which is very surprising.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:31 GMT)

love to see the fall of Indian cricket from heaven

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 15:31 GMT)

Yet another case for DRS, India would still be bowling now if broad and Anderson's dismissals were overturned. India looked a shambles and god knows how they will do in Australia!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:30 GMT)

Zimbabwe team is better than Indian team. Now Indians're playing like babies. They can't play test cricket more than three days. Shame on you India.. you're not suitable for test cricket.

Posted by Prabha1979-lanka on (August 17, 2014, 15:30 GMT)

Have a look at all greats like, Sanga, Sachin, Dravid, Ponting ... they all had a simple life along with their crickting life. Go and look in youtube how many tv shows kholi and other guys represents. I wonder how they manage time to play cricket with those tv shows.....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:30 GMT)

Oh boy... Flat track home ground Champions been Flattened by England's.... Even Zimbabwe would have done something better than this... Good example for how overrated ego and overrated buff can ruin a team...

Posted by Ramansilva on (August 17, 2014, 15:29 GMT)

Indian's Jadeja show spectacularly backfired. They had to dance to the tune of English music since then. The last dance with 95 all out was even clown-like. However the Indian fans should not be disheartened. Last time the score was 4-0. This time it was 3-1. That is a tremendous improvement.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:29 GMT)

Unbelievable!! India 148 & 94 (29.2 ov) England 486

Posted by Balumekka on (August 17, 2014, 15:28 GMT)

I am a SL fan and am shocked to see India's performances in this series. Can't believe they were not able to drag the game beyond the 3rd day in last two tests. I feel this is something to do with their lack of mental strength and aggressiveness in the approach. Throughout the series, they have not been aggressive enough to win little mental games with English players. Even when Anderson-Jadeja incident, Indians were way too polite. England tried to use same tactics against Sri Lankans as well. But SL responded very aggressively. Sri Lankans selectively targeted some of the English players like Root and Anderson with lot of sledging. Someone need to really support the Indian players to sustain the mental toughness in tours like this.

Posted by King900 on (August 17, 2014, 15:28 GMT)

Australia next for India and I don't believe DHONI should lead them in Australia. Time for India to start re-building without DHONI. Kohli must clear his head, so too Pujara and Rahane otherwise Oz will blow them away.

Posted by Wicky_Rulzzzz on (August 17, 2014, 15:28 GMT)

Well that serves about right for the overrated, money hyped flat track bullies of India.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:25 GMT)

Indian cricket team have embarrassed themselves and their supporters with an awful and pathetic dispaly.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:24 GMT)

India should be relegated from playing test cricket. They should play more four day matches with associate nations. Letting India play at the top tier has become absolutely detrimental for the quality of test cricket.

Posted by nbajaria on (August 17, 2014, 15:24 GMT)

the fat lady sings and all dismally gone for 94. Thanks ESPN for allowing us to comment

Posted by krishna_cricketfan on (August 17, 2014, 15:24 GMT)

@@TheLastJeed: Please give BCCI the choices that you have in place of MSD as captain.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:21 GMT)

We don't mind in losing the game but there is no fighting spirit at all from Indian Teams...this is really a heartbreaking being an Indian fan

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:21 GMT)

this is weakest performance ever in a series. Wake up indian cricket board. don't listen to dhoni selector cricket is shown in the field not by talking. dhoni talks too much and try defend himself. don't listen to dhoni he just don't know how to play and captain this side. All this while india has been winning because of match winner like yuvraj singh, shewag , sachin tendulkar, harbhajan singh, in recent matches even rohit sharma has become match winner when they are not in a team dhoni team looks like any regular college team. wake up selector. rohit sharma bring him back , give captainship to somebody else, selector please try something new. team india desparately needs new captain. if you don't build new team at this time it will be big problem. rohit sharma, shikhar dhawan, virat kohli, ishant sharma, suresh raina, umesh yadav, akshar patel, ishwor pandey, naman ojha, i just can think only these names, team india is in l

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:20 GMT)

India ,please learn how to play test cricket from sri lankans..they fought very well against england..won 3 formats in the series...

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:18 GMT)

Dhoni and Fletcher should resign now.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:18 GMT)

And they are taking over world cricket...

Posted by BuddyCry on (August 17, 2014, 15:17 GMT)

England should offer India another inning, in good gesture. What harm could it do???

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:16 GMT)

Indian batsman are batsman who can score only in flat tracks and quick outfields in India. So in next series likes of Kholi etc will correct their averages by scoring in flat indian pitches against WI. But they will never be considered as good batsman

Posted by endianuwagona on (August 17, 2014, 15:16 GMT)

Hahahaha....Ohhhh Indiaaaaa India, Indiaaaaa India...C'mon, I cannot hear that chant anymore...hahahahahaha.....To the Indian fans who said Sri Lanka were an average side, average batters, average bowlers etc etc....can you imagine how your world beaters would have performed mid May in Cold Damp conditions against the much more swinging ball????? Can you just imagine what could have happened??? Oh dear....if we are average, wonder what you guys are.....it is a shame for the top three in ICC....like having a beggar living in your house...hahahahahahahaha.......

Posted by S.Seshachalam on (August 17, 2014, 15:15 GMT)

Pathetic performance. Come on Chairman of selection committee. Please act right now. Drop Dhoni, Kohli and other non performers for the ODI series. Or else expect a 5-0 thrashing.....

Posted by neil99 on (August 17, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

This India side is a disgrace, it's supporters quite rightly should want blood. Certain players should never be chosen again.

Obviously I want Australia pulverised, trodden into the ground and spat out in every single grams in every single format, but against the other teams I would prefer to see England win in quality, entertaining matches with good play from both sides.

Posted by Gustus on (August 17, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

England is back. Great performance

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (August 17, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

To all the Pakistan and SL fans: you're WAY worse than India in overseas. At least India have won series' in West Indies, NZ and England. Were unlucky to only draw series' in Aus (2003/04) and South Africa (2010/11).

This is the first series and a 5 match one at that, in England, for a lot of these players. When Dravid played in Australia back in 1999 he hardly scored a run. He came back in that 2003/04 series and piled on huge runs. One poor series does not make guys like Kohli and Pujara bad. This batting lineup can't be THAT bad considering they batted well in South Africa and New Zealand recently.

Test Cricket is boring any ways. It doesn't draw in crowds and most end up as dull draws. One Day Cricket and T20s are the future for the sport and I hope the ICC make thw smart move of just scrapping Test Cricket all together.

Test Cricket is a colonial thing. Times have changed and the British Empire is dead, so the best thing is to get rid of Test Cricket.

Well played England.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

The series has just shown how well Sri Lankan batsman played in England in 'Early Summer' when tracks swing more. Specially the likes of Sanga and Mathews was outstanding against the swinging ball. Indian batsman does not have the skill or ability to play in sporting wickets outside India. There is no doubt the flattest pitches in the world are Indian pitches, specially when considering the bounce offered.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

The Indian bully boys are not so full of voice anymore on the Test arena. Kohli, Dhawan, Sharma are not so full of voice anymore when they are getting their asses whipped by mediocre England. A series for the wooden spoon teams in tests.

Posted by darrenh on (August 17, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

When will they learn - don't take two to Moeen!

Posted by lillee4PM on (August 17, 2014, 15:11 GMT)

1.2 billion people or so and this is the best that India can produce? Come on BCCI, get your greedy hands off that huge pile of money you are holding and spend some of it on really developing grass roots cricket in your country.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:10 GMT)

Give Indian past players to coach Indian team as they have gone through all the conditions so they know what mistakes they are making and improve them as foreign coach will not do what India coaches can do.

Posted by Biggus on (August 17, 2014, 15:09 GMT)

With modern bats having thicker and thicker edges it appears India has outperformed all others and developed a bat that is ALL edge and no middle.

Posted by B.C.G on (August 17, 2014, 15:09 GMT)

How can they collapse again & again?74-8.Truly they have becoma a club side.

Posted by cvenka on (August 17, 2014, 15:08 GMT)

I dont blame the indian players. it is not their fault that they failed miserably & collectively. the so called wise men of selectors are to blame for this.. on what basis the selection of this team was done? dont they know the conditions of england, the calibre of english batsmen or theiri bowlers? why perfect batsmen for english conditions like badrinath, uthappa, samson, naman ojha etc & perfect bowlers for english conditions like umesh yadav, amit mishra, bumrah etc were not selected. first sack these SELECTORS...

Posted by kesaraca on (August 17, 2014, 15:08 GMT)

Its saddening. Administators please do something.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:07 GMT)

it is a collective failure, starting from the administration, coaching staff, team members more specifying, not many practice matches, not sending Indians to the foreign soil to play there, no home work by coaching staff, players are getting out in a same manner every time. massive failure by batting department, bowlers are not bowling to the field,opponents are scoring 10/over in test match, poor field placing by the captain, selector error is also

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:06 GMT)

indian team needs players like sehwag,praveen kumar,umesh yadav,,suresh raina,yuvi,munaf patel,rp singh,irfan pathan....

Posted by JayEye on (August 17, 2014, 15:06 GMT)

All I shall remember of this series is Indian batsmen all at sea and caught at slip. These are talented cricketers and it was shocking to see the collapses. The bowling was good, no doubt, but that is what you have to face at top level cricket. Time to give up the endorsements and practice hard in the nets. Take a lesson from the "less privileged" ICC nations like South Africa and Sri Lanka.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:05 GMT)

Let me reiterate to my Indian test players, please quit IPL and the money and play some English county cricket and learn to play cricket. Otherwise, you would be just smarting only in Indian subcontinent which means we are not going to consider you as cricket players. By the way, Indian hockey team is doing a greater job these days. So my Indian sports lovers, please encourage IHL.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 15:02 GMT)

Indians are great finishers of course :D

Posted by crzcric on (August 17, 2014, 15:01 GMT)

something must be wrong with england pitches. I'm sure Dhoni will explain later. :p

Posted by TheLastJeed on (August 17, 2014, 14:58 GMT)

To all people who are saying there are no one to captain the team if Dhoni quits captaincy, when Dravid quit captaincy and Dhoni was made captain, has Dhoni had any experience captaining any team before, may be lead Jharkand to ranji titles? Nope. Give someone the same chance Dhoni got and he might surprise you. Besides who's mistake is it not to groom a young guy for possible next in line?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:53 GMT)

Shameless guys, we should not let others to laugh at us, we should look at the mirror and should laugh ourselves. We know very well that we cannot win this test. But atleast we should bat till day 5 and loose. Cheaply loosing at day3 twice in a series is never acceptable. Rahane cheaply looses his wicket by giving a catch practise to England players, cannt he deliver what he does it in first two tests, if root was there he would have cracked that ball to four. Dhoni came in and went to pavilion immediatly saying why should i alone play if others not, anyways he will be blammed, responsible captain also left. Can we bring this team Rahul, vohra, M tiwary, samson,N ojha, jadhav, R dhawan, Parveez, kulkarni, U Yadav, A Patel

Posted by UnbiasedCricFan on (August 17, 2014, 14:53 GMT)

I just have to say this, ALL OF YOU blaming Dhoni for the losses are being overly critical. YES he made mistakes as a captain being defensive, BUT the reason we LOST was the TOP ORDER FAILING! NOT BECAUSE OF DHONI'S CAPTAINCY! HE STOOD UP AND MADE RUNS, CONTRIBUTED. I DO agree his captaincy has been mediocre so has cooks but HIS BATTING was terrific during a rough patch.

BTW have you seen how much pressure is on Dhoni? Since he has taken on captaincy he has facial hair has gone white from stress and pressure.

Alternative to Dhoni their is no one for captaincy! NO ONE!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:52 GMT)

If dhoni resigns it will break the back of indian test cricket games will be finishing in 1 day

Posted by theRule19 on (August 17, 2014, 14:51 GMT)

Too much IPL T20 cricket and the approach of the Indian batsmen are the reasons why they fail so miserably abroad in test cricket. These players just dont look set to play long innings and bringing back the out of form players like Gambhir is not a solution to the problem. Gambhir's performance in the first class was also not that great to bring him back to Int'l. Test cricket. Their approach is overly defensive from the outset and do not look positive enough. Part of the reason why this happens is the defensive tactics of Dhoni as well. Hope this changes is in the near future.

Posted by entryholedia on (August 17, 2014, 14:50 GMT)

Inconceivable !! Horrendous!! Such abject surrender by our team India ? What more have this team representing India's best talent to give its people in land where we spend millions on this sport and worship this game ? We hang our head in shame !! Agreed in a sport there are defeats and losses , but losing without any fight on the same track where M/s Root et al batted with aplomb clearly points to only one thing - M/s Kohli, pujara, Gambhir(He is best forgotten . Its better he only leads KKR) , Vijay, Rahane , Rohit( though he did not play at Oval) who are the cream of India's talent are way way below the level of their English counterparts. Our die hard fans who still root for this team will say 'come to India & we will beat them' but with what ??? In 1971 we had bedi , chandra, pras, Venkat (none of whose feats can ever be emulated now ) what have we now ? Ashwin Ojha Mishra whose wicket taking average will speak on their abilities .

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:50 GMT)

am paki...i just wanna say for india..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha

Posted by nbajaria on (August 17, 2014, 14:49 GMT)

We can keep talking about India's performances till the cows come home. No amount of words will even slightly twitch the BCCI management and selectors. Just look at India's fixtures list after this tour. The coffers are more important than the quality of cricket. Won't be long before the fans wake up and the support at games worlwide will decline.

Posted by DanielRob on (August 17, 2014, 14:49 GMT)

Why has "Indian Cricket Team FB Community" stopped posting about the team's performance after the Lord's Test Match? Does the admin only update about the team's good performances ? Come on guys there is no shame in admitting that this current team is playing poor cricket. When you guys update and praise the good performances why not post about the bad ones? Are you really ashamed to post or what? I bet Yes, as I am also ashamed being a fan of this team. But the Question is, are the players ashamed of their performance? This players should not represent the country! Chiii

Posted by Gustus on (August 17, 2014, 14:48 GMT)

Our ladies won 8 years away from test cricket

Posted by Prabha1979-lanka on (August 17, 2014, 14:47 GMT)

I love to see "snobhish Indian's" are ripped off cheaply....

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:47 GMT)

Lots of time I comented vijay and rahane hitting one century playing all year. .Some guys just playing secure his place. ..Some guys unlucky. .uttappa. .jadav. ..They playing consistency in ipl and domestic just plop one a tour selctore ignored. ...Robin. is best opener present india have...give him chance. ...kohli. pujara..rahane. .jaddu. .dawan. gambir ttaly out form. .still they playing

Posted by Gustus on (August 17, 2014, 14:43 GMT)

Come on kohli get a 100 and the captaincy

Posted by Ravinducool82 on (August 17, 2014, 14:42 GMT)

never seen such a poor performance from any team before..Ind should learn from SL how to play with Eng in cold weather..

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:42 GMT)

hahahahahaha

Told u all 3 days earlier that India will be hammered again in this 3rd Test.

Shame Shame.

Lol. Young millionares of India humiliated abroad again and again and again and again.

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (August 17, 2014, 14:39 GMT)

Firstly i really appeal to the BCCI to go for a technology

Posted by Riz000 on (August 17, 2014, 14:38 GMT)

Well 46-5 tells you how weak this indian batting line up is another spanking by England and will be followed by Australia later on being a Pak fan all I can say is Eng are just to good for the Indians this is so embarrassing and poor batting from Indians its shame really because there ain't even a single indian batsmen who can be called next tendulkar or dravid no technique at all only good playing on home conditions flat track bullies.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 14:38 GMT)

@hillbumper..mate you say good teams win abroad unlike Australia?? Pretty sure Australia went over to South Africa a few months back and took the number one ranking off them! And you say England have thier confidence back now....what after beating a lacklustre Indian team, which NZ did in march,even tho it was only 2months ago a baby Sri Lankan side beat you poms? Your not a big cricket fan then champ!?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:36 GMT)

Zimbabwe and Bangladesh may as well be granted 5 test series status against England too , such is the pathetic supine performance India have rendered against England in England.

The scapegoat, will be the coach, Fletcher, but a pathetic performance such as we have seen, may just ensure that no one turns up to watch Indian in England if it is more than a 3 test series.

The public are being robbed, and England should be playing 5 test home series against South Africa [along side Australia] and not pathetic teams who only play well in the subcontinent.

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 14:35 GMT)

Though india batting , bowling and fielding is becoming worst and worst .I would suggest the player are very lack of experience and the coach and manager are also not helpful .coach should be change as fletcher is very bad record as a coach with india.So i suggest pls change coach and provide gud coach which are helpful if bcci will not take any action then india cricket future will be very danger and 2015 wc india will repeat 2007 wc history.Dhoni is a good captaincy and gud batsman but its team could not cooperate with him .As there is no fault of dhoni and now tell me which player dhoni will take in team all are failure.Only hero in home zero in away.So odi will be not great for india as only one changes raina will be selected and all are test squad.

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (August 17, 2014, 14:35 GMT)

Indian team should come back and play IPL

Posted by Riz000 on (August 17, 2014, 14:34 GMT)

Well 46-5 tells you how weak this indian batting line up is another spanking by England and will be followed by Australia later on being a Pak fan all I can say is Eng are just to good for the Indians this is so embarrassing and poor batting from Indians its shame really because there ain't even a single indian batsmen who can be called next tendulkar or dravid no technique at all only good playing on home conditions flat track bullies.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:33 GMT)

What a wonderful and another fine innings from Root. He is very matured and played some cracking shots. He very much knows the importance of his wicket and scoring runs very quickly while playing with tail handers. He didnt give any chance for his wicket to India. Can Indian board request Root to coach Indian batsmen how to not to loose their wicket cheaply. He is a good catch for England squad for ODI, test and T20. Can Indian board produce one like him and make our squad stronger.

Posted by simpleguy2008 on (August 17, 2014, 14:32 GMT)

Indian team should stop play test cricket and should continue play ipl and champions league to earn money for BCCI

Posted by Sinhaya on (August 17, 2014, 14:28 GMT)

Well as a Lankan fan, I will be nice here. Have to feel for India too. It is no doubt difficult for a team which plays non stop cricket. IPL adds more to the tiredness and fatigue. Best solution is to shorten the IPL to 3 weeks from 6 weeks as those 3 weeks of rest will help the Indian players a lot. BCCI should ideally ensure that in a given calendar year, players get ideally a total of a 6 week break in between tours.

Well hope India fight on and drag the game to day 5.

Posted by vsprabhu01 on (August 17, 2014, 14:28 GMT)

@45/5 and Dhoni gone for 0, expecting the match to be finished inside 3 days...... abysmal surrender ..... not even a fight from the top order ....

Posted by Gustus on (August 17, 2014, 14:27 GMT)

Anyone but dhoni. Makes you realize how good ganguly was

Posted by nursery_ender on (August 17, 2014, 14:25 GMT)

Posted by Suman Gadhok on (August 17, 2014, 12:53 GMT) I am, for one, quite pleased with the way cricket has unravelled in this series. Indians lost focus with Anderson appeal and some very ordinary umpiring decisions against them.

Yet another Indian who fails to notice the umpiring errors that go in their favour.

Lack of DRS has had little or no overall effect on the series.

Posted by Parousia on (August 17, 2014, 14:20 GMT)

Please Dhoni resign from the test captaincy already !

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 14:14 GMT)

Will India be able to make Australia bat twice at any point in their upcoming series?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:58 GMT)

With this irresponsible and inefficient players how can any captain in the world can dream of a victory ?Captain dhoni is not an exception. It has become a fashion in this column to criticise Dhoni for the recklessness of other players. For example, Gambir's unnecessary run out today. Those who criticise Dhoni for his captaincy should spell out the alternative captain for the present set of players before demanding his relinquishment of captaincy.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:57 GMT)

after second test match I was comments. eng lost this match not in win but last three what happened

Posted by Gustus on (August 17, 2014, 13:53 GMT)

Dhoni needs to be sacked as test captain. Stuart binny bowled 12 overs. Is he a better batsman than rohit. Ganguly lost 6 away tests dhoni is heading towards 15.

Posted by rattansharma on (August 17, 2014, 13:50 GMT)

Win and loss are two sides of the same coin.the need of the hour is to play a Dravid and Laxman.pujara and kohli are capable to do that.India team should try to play positive without thinking loss of match.To lose bravely after wiping off the ist inning lead and put some runs to achieve in second inning by England will improve the confidence of the team for one day series.

Posted by ruester on (August 17, 2014, 13:47 GMT)

Just to point out that the BCCI does not ban Indian players from playing county cricket. None of them play because they get more money in the IPL and ridiculous amounts of praise about how wonderful they are when they slog thirty in a t20 game. I remember watching Ganguly play for Northants a few years ago, I'm sure their supporters will remember how lacking in enthusiasm and attitude he displayed for county cricket during his time there. Indian players are far to pampered to want to play overseas. This and the last tour of England has shown this clearly.

Posted by Nazrullamo on (August 17, 2014, 13:42 GMT)

No lesson from last few test matches, guys how many tests still you need to be warmed up, No expectation even in this test from you guys, sad to say MSD change your game plan.

Posted by vsprabhu01 on (August 17, 2014, 13:39 GMT)

@KODANDARAMAN GANESH, Infact in other sports you will be paid more if you play more demanding games ( eg. In tennis in grandslam you need to play best of 5 sets instead of best of 3), but here it is other way around and better we don't expect anything better in the near future...

Posted by krishna_cricketfan on (August 17, 2014, 13:33 GMT)

When India is playing to save this test, it is shocking to see an experienced opener getting run out. So many fans were blaming MSD for our performance (rather lack of). What can a captain do in these circumstances?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:29 GMT)

@ Mike mikey , that was started by England in the ashes in Australia.

Posted by ravimenon on (August 17, 2014, 13:29 GMT)

When they landed in England, they were expecting to beat England especially after witnessing poorly shaped SL beating them. Poor show by both teams in first test and gifting of victory at Lords by England. After that all England. It is game, set and match for England. Gains for India- may be Arone, Kumar & Ishant didn't disappoint. Shami may be hard luck. Pankaj an unfortunate guy. Vijay & Rahane shown some skill during first two/three test and after nothing. Biggest failiurs Pujara/Kohli. Dhoni did well as batsman but disappointed as captain & WK. Jadeja & Binny no body knows the secret behind the selections still played 4 & 3 tests respectively. Ashwin- can be considered as batsman at outside and an allrounder at home. Rohit only Dhoni knows why he was ignored.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:26 GMT)

This has been an abysmal performance by India of late...Defeat is acceptable...But,India has made it a habit....They have lacked the temparament to face quality pace bowling and looked as if they have surrendered to the wrath.... The BCCI should allow their players to play in the county cricket more often thn not...Otherwise the same ill fate will be repeated in the months to come....

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (August 17, 2014, 13:20 GMT)

Things have gone pear shaped for Ind much as it can,1 Indian cant complain of bad luck.Thats no 1 but 'luckless' Ishant!His 4 W,though for nearly 100 runs,flatters him.Also helped by ump on 1 of those.Apart from that his bowling looked fairly innocuous.

Posted by Gerry_the_Merry on (August 17, 2014, 13:19 GMT)

This is a cycle - it has to crack at some point. There has been a long period of mediocrity accompanied by hero worship by Indian fans, which has translated into big television revenues, gain in clout by the indian board, and 5 test series despite the fact that the players have gained their reputation and fame in limited overs cricket. We should stick to playing 3 and 2 test series, else the game risks getting marginalized in India, and devlaued abroad because of increased Indian participation. Poor performances will actually threaten the interest levels of fans abroad, who are not exactly lining up to watch cricket anyway. So perhaps successive defeats for India will kill Indian fans' blind interest and will be healthy for the game, both in India and globally.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:17 GMT)

In my opinion, India lost the will to fight for 5 days in a row some time ago. Why bother playing 6 hours a day for 5 days when you can make more money playing for 2 ?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:17 GMT)

why Indian batsmen finding it too difficult to leave balls outside off stump. They dont seem to know where their off stump is specially pujara & kohli. they r top players and yet no signs of improvement in the 5th test. Batting in English conditions seems impossible for these guys.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:15 GMT)

Why Indian batting is going on toss...?

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:10 GMT)

India starts NEW format!!! 3 day TEST MATCH!!!

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 13:08 GMT)

Only people watching this match are those who have an economic benefit out of this - the players, the referees, the news reporters and the commentators, and of course Duncan Fletcher and his coaching staff, who might also be on their last test match like Gambhir.

Posted by Pindia on (August 17, 2014, 13:04 GMT)

Sorry India are victims of their own stupidity, excess and also a smidgeon of back luck and poor umpiring, but yes with no DRS who is to blame but India themselves. The run out came a second or two before the deluge and I know because I am in the Oval at present. The sun is out so can the Indians bat for the next four sessions??? If not sack them all...

Posted by bMike on (August 17, 2014, 13:00 GMT)

India should borrow two No 9 batsmen from English county teams to play as Indian openers. They will definitely perform better.. History shows India is the weakest Asian team in bouncy and fast tracks. Not being able to qualify for final of the Asian Cup in recent consecutive times also proves that current Indian team is one of the weakest teams in sub continental conditions as well.

Posted by HatsforBats on (August 17, 2014, 12:58 GMT)

This is a great turn around for England, coming from behind to win the series. And an excellent innings from Root, he really is a tremendous talent and a pleasure to watch. India, well, diabolical springs to mind.

Posted by SILVERSANGA on (August 17, 2014, 12:56 GMT)

Indian team crumbling against this weak English side. Yes England are still weak and a quality side can defeat them even at home. This shows that India's performance in this series is at the lowest level.

Posted by hhillbumper on (August 17, 2014, 12:55 GMT)

Sad to say that India only win at Lord's because England lost their heads. This reminds me of the Windies series in 2000. England have confidence again. Now to do it in the Windies. Great teams win abroad. Unlike Australia.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:53 GMT)

I am, for one, quite pleased with the way cricket has unravelled in this series. Indians lost focus with Anderson appeal and some very ordinary umpiring decisions against them. I would imagine that the Indian team felt let down by the Indian administrators for firstly not backing them enough in their case against Anderson and secondly forcing them to play without DRS. There is no denying that a strong leader would have shown a backbone and motivated his team to rise above these. But, Dhoni has let the team drift. He is just looking after himself and is not bothered to lead or motivate. The youngsters unfortunately have the spirit sucked out of them and are no longer in the game anymore. Indian cricket needs a clean up. There are too many people who have been managing the show for too long. They need to be swept clean and new blood needs to be infused.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:53 GMT)

This performance has now crossed even the level of frustration. What is extremely worrying is that this is a medicore English side at best! This makes India definitely the bottom two test sides in the world!! So much for the richest and most powerful board on earth??

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:53 GMT)

Over 300 runs behind, how does one contrive to get run out? Madness. Cant win games doing that , let alone save.

Posted by Angry_Bowler on (August 17, 2014, 12:52 GMT)

This is what happens when you over hope the beginners, when you compare them with legends even before they have completed one cycle of foreign toures. kohli is next Sachin, Pujara next Dravid, Rahane next Laxman and on and on...

Posted by manomathew on (August 17, 2014, 12:51 GMT)

Proud of indian women team, may be they should have played this test and I guarantee the result would have been much better

Posted by cvenka on (August 17, 2014, 12:50 GMT)

hello everybody. hw abt a game? can anybody correctly guess hw many balls kohli will last this time? winner will be awarded as the best knowledgeable person of indian cricket..

Posted by Parag1182 on (August 17, 2014, 12:47 GMT)

all these batting failures have masked the real problem for india: BOWLING & fielding. the batting is sure to come up short in these conditions AND good bowling (like eng have) consider this, if the eng team had also been shot out @ 200-210 every time (like in lord's) the matches would have been much more tight. and it may sound silly at first but what wud have been the picture had indain batsmen faced indian bowling and eng, england's (with catching of course) batsmen have failed , no doubt. But bowlers even more so cos the conditions were tailor made for them n against the batsmen

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:46 GMT)

Well Eng can have a rest this evening and finish off the job tomorrow before lunch for sure since it's just third day of the match.

Posted by vsprabhu01 on (August 17, 2014, 12:43 GMT)

At least after Lord's test, i experienced good half an hour of cricket ( from Studio). Yes, there was a more meaningful discussion between Mr.Wilkins, Mr.Nasser & Mr.Ganguly about batting failures, Captaincy, playing county cricket & identifying talents. Mr.Ganguly was spot on that, there was no evidence these players are playing for life. Also from 2011 till date no 50 run opening partnership outside india and that shows how we are identifying talents. Mr.Nasser also pointed out the value of openers ( Mr.Sanjay bangar's innings at headingly, just 68 over 3hrs but he thwarted a much stronger english pace quartet for dravid, sachin & Ganguly to score hundred). Also we need to keep in mind, this english team was just blown away by Mitchel Johnson and i am really scared how we are going to fare against him down under this winter. Also if we select a team based on windies tour in india for Australia, surely 0-4 humiliating innings loss is on the cards.

Posted by landl47 on (August 17, 2014, 12:40 GMT)

I don't think I've ever seen a side perform as badly in test cricket as India did this morning. England's last 3 wickets scored at T20 pace, the bowling was awful, the fielding (including the field placing by Dhoni) was even worse, the only way they could get Root out was off a no-ball and to cap it off, two of the three dismissals were umpiring errors.

Then the openers were all at sea against Broad and Anderson, Vijay was stitched up beautifully by Anderson and Gambhir was so anxious to get off strike that he ran himself out.

Just look at the progress of the series. Two young teams; India has got worse and England has got better. This started off as a competitive series and has turned into a rout. India needs to take a serious look at the way it is approaching the game.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:35 GMT)

Go play 20-20 indians.. test is for men..

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:35 GMT)

As an England fan I can genuinely say that I am not enjoying watching this match. Very much like the 5-0 Ashes whitewash, it's not so much about one side being good as about the other side's total capitulation.

Posted by legfinedeep on (August 17, 2014, 12:34 GMT)

Dhoni is the richest cricketer in the history of the game. BCCI the richest board. The Indian players are the richest from all the playing teams if you average their income. And yet this is the caliber of cricket they produce from a population that has more people than all the other cricket playing nations combined! They make tons of money in endorsements and appearance fees. When you already have a net worth of $150 million, how sad and affected can you be when you lose...you will be laughing all the way to the bank either way.

Posted by Bongz77 on (August 17, 2014, 12:33 GMT)

@Calvin Palmer W.. Classic comment brother. That was not only funny but actually true. Are there any more sportsmen you can read like a book? I ask this because i can usually predict most of Arsene Wenger's post match interviews at about 90% accuracy

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:30 GMT)

why India sidelined Mohamed Shami, didn't he performed well with bat & ball in the first two tests?

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 12:29 GMT)

This match also ends in three days and India will get extra two days rest for this test also

Posted by CricShanghai on (August 17, 2014, 12:28 GMT)

I think the Indian team has failed in all 4 department of the game this test, including the Indian captaincy, where the expert commentaries and comments were never far from the facts... England did well to capitalize the opportunities as well...

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:23 GMT)

England team will be delighted to see so many gifts from indian players both while bowling,batting and then fielding too. Cook will be a releived man now. Looks like indian players are playing because it is a ICC scheduled test match else they won't have played...because they do not want to.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:22 GMT)

this is now a comedy if not a tragedy..

Posted by nach on (August 17, 2014, 12:22 GMT)

Pathetic play by Indians. Don't think indian players are serious about playing good cricket. Test after test same result.

Posted by Shaun_wick on (August 17, 2014, 12:20 GMT)

Not sure, is it worth to give 5 match series to the country like India who is not performing good in fast track. It much worth to give that chance to Sri Lanka or Pakistan when it consider an Asian team in UK. England cricket board should be wise to get this decision.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:20 GMT)

Same old story... Vry shameful for Indian cricket n der fans..

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 12:20 GMT)

sorry to see the indian bowling suffering the wrath. dismal last grade batting and poor fielding. questionable squad and tactics. the unexpected talent kohli pujara

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 12:18 GMT)

it is the lack of leadership thats hurting India. England lost second test due to their poor batting. and they come out strong in third test. Indian issues started from poor batting and still they have the same problems, which have been atonishingly not addressed yet. The team management had certainly failed overseas. You can praise dhonis stubborn batting. but cant quite say his captaincy. big turnaround in squad and management

Posted by cvenka on (August 17, 2014, 12:12 GMT)

I have only one thing to say abt the batting of Indian Openers especially Gambhir. He reminds me of a fish accidentally jumped into the floor of a boat & struggling to jump back into the sea!

Posted by wapuser on (August 17, 2014, 12:10 GMT)

congrats mr:dhoni and his men thx for saving 2days for us not to waste and get tensed:don't tell tht these are young and inexp players ;the sl last series against eng in England tht team also a young n inexp

Posted by Realistic_cri_fan on (August 17, 2014, 12:09 GMT)

And with that run-out, ladies and gentlemen, Gambhir's international career comes to an end.

Posted by crkt10 on (August 17, 2014, 12:09 GMT)

Lets hope the rain continues for 4th & 5th day to save the test for India.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:09 GMT)

Sad to see rain is coming now, that too so much. Hope it does not last long. England was developing a bowling rhythm by getting 2 quick wickets (1 run out though) and rain was the last thing they wanted now. Hope this rain stops quickly.

Posted by   on (August 17, 2014, 12:09 GMT)

MS Dhoni's post match speech will be like, "we are still an inexperienced unit and we will be mentally stronger. we are still in the process and hopefully we will achieve positive results. I thought our bowlers did well and were unlucky few decisions went against them. Our batsmen did reasonably well...it's just that they need some more time to adapt as they are still young. Kohli, pujara, Vijay, rahane are still under a learning curve and this tour is a one step away from hitting peak". Please believe me guys this is exactly what an ms dhoni will say. he is too diplomatic and always play safe.

Posted by Lion_Wallaby on (August 17, 2014, 12:08 GMT)

What a one sided series here! India is no way close to show up a fight or at least to drag the match for the fourth day for the consecutive second time. There is a serious concern about the skill levels of these batsmen and bowlers and I feel really sorry for the Indian fans who expected 4-0 Indian win at the start of the series after Sri Lanka managed to win in all formats in England. Predicting results without knowing the skill levels of a team and a comparison with the skill levels of other teams will make some of the predictions ridiculous.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 17, 2014, 12:04 GMT)

There's nowt like a one-sided game or two to allow bowlers to get their averages back down to the right side of 30, and batsmen to rediscover their form. Do people still strongly believe that stats alone tell the full picture in international cricket? Who you play against and what form they're in surely has to start counting for something. Struggling players like Gambhir are making this England side look like world-beaters, and no doubt the media will imply so after the series.

Posted by Yuosufahmed on (August 17, 2014, 12:01 GMT)

What's wrong with getting such a slight advantage by the bowlers if the batsmen can take it while start running before the ball delivers. People ridiculed mankadding such batsmen so let the bowlers too get that slight advantage.

Posted by S.Seshachalam on (August 17, 2014, 11:59 GMT)

Root scores more than India's 1st innings total!! The way it is going now, hope India can at least surpass Cook's knock of 79 in their second innings!! Very pathetic show. Hope Sandip Patil is seriously watching!! Make whole sale changes to entire team, including sacking of captain and coach.

Posted by alok21oct on (August 17, 2014, 11:57 GMT)

I quit playing cricket 5 years ago, but feel that I can score more runs than many of the specialist Indian Batsmen....Like Kohli, Pujara, Vijay and surely more than Gambhir. Why the hell he has been selected and on what grounds, has he scored any runs in Domestic cricket. He was a major failure in IPL as well during the UAE leg. He made few scores in Indian leg, so if the person is not good enough to play in UA, how can he be picked for England test tour

Posted by HDG1978 on (August 17, 2014, 11:55 GMT)

Will be relieved when India loses this Test at some point by an innings and over a 100 runs

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 17, 2014, 11:55 GMT)

Ah this is just farcical and embarrassing to watch now. Gambhir can't even judge a run... Might not see him back in test whites ever again. What a shambles, and this time it's not the weather's fault.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 17, 2014, 11:48 GMT)

@5Wombats: India don't have a weakness against spin; they have a weakness against bowling in general at the moment. Hopefully the game will last longer than what's left of today...

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