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Bopara omission a surprise - Giles

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August 19, 2014

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Ravi Bopara suffered an embarrassing dismissal bowled between his legs, England v Sri Lanka, 5th ODI, Edgbaston, June 3, 2014
Ravi Bopara's one-day career has again hit the buffers © PA Photos
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Ashley Giles, the former England one-day coach, was surprised by the omission of Ravi Bopara from the squad to face India but believes it will have stemmed from concerns over how his bowling would cope at the World Cup.

Bopara returned to England's one-day side shortly before last year's Champions Trophy, when Giles was coach, and his bowling developed to the stage where he was often entrusted with the fifth-bowler's role, but the selectors have gone for two allrounders with greater pace - Ben Stokes and Chris Woakes - along with Moeen Ali as a second spin option.

"I'm a little surprised, and it's quite a late change," Giles told ESPNcricinfo's Match Point show. "He's been a good utility cricketer but it's probably showing England's hand in that they probably need to play four frontline seamers and a spinner.

"Ravi is a bit more bits-and-pieces with the ball. With the other guys they have in the squad - Stokes, Woakes, Jordan and Moeen Ali - they have four allrounders so can cover a lot of bases."

Bopara tweeted about his omission and insisted he will retain his place. "Very disappointed to miss out on selection for ODI's but more determined then [sic] ever to get back in the side. I will be back!"

Giles, meanwhile, also backed Ian Bell to retain a place in England's top order, saying he is the "world class" player they need at No. 3 behind Alastair Cook and Alex Hales, the latter who will make his ODI debut in the series.

Cook and Bell was the partnership Giles used during the Champions Trophy last year, where England reached the final, and they opened together in the series against Australia in January. Giles does not believe England need to drastically change their gameplan but said that totals around 300 will be a prerequisite at the World Cup.

"It's a common talking point, the top 10 overs. I don't think it needs you to go mad, but it does need you to increase the tempo. In Australia you will need 300 regularly to win games, it will be the benchmark to make a fist of the World Cup."

Another debate from England's 15-man squad was whether James Anderson, the Man of the Series in the Investec Test series, should have been rested - something that happened regularly for Anderson when Giles was in charge - following an intense run of seven Tests but Giles said that with the World Cup closing in he needed to be around the team.

"They have looked after Jimmy Anderson in one-day cricket in the past but now that the World Cup is coming up it's important he plays. I'm not sure he'll play every game, but he'll be a key part in Australia with the two new balls."

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Posted by Umer.Lohya123 on (August 23, 2014, 18:05 GMT)

bopara should be playing my future squad would be

ODI

1. james Vince 2. Jason Roy 3. joe root [Captain] 4. Varun chopra [vice captain] 5. Moeen Ali 6. james taylor 7. jos buttler[Keeper] 8. chris Jordan 9. Adil Rashid 10. Steven finn 11.Chris Tremett

Posted by JG2704 on (August 21, 2014, 21:40 GMT)

Listening to the interview I notice that Giles says about Eng needing 4 seamers in Australia - Why?

In the last ODI series in Aus Bopara's ER in each match was 5 , 3.8 , 2.8 , 5.3 and 6 Only in the last match when Ravi bowled 3 overs for 18 did he go at more RPO than the Australian total. Do facts not speak for themselves?

I'd say go for Jimmy,Gurney and either Broad or Jordan as 3 specialist pace bowlers and then split 10 overs between Ravi,Ali and Root.

Possible side could be

Cook,Bell/Hales (in either order) , Root,Buttler,Morgan,Bopara, Broad or Jordan , Tredwell , Jimmy,Gurney

Posted by JG2704 on (August 21, 2014, 12:35 GMT)

@SirViv1973 on (August 21, 2014, 11:25 GMT) Thing is - we had Ravi play a number of games in the top 5 and his SR was worse than it is now. Not sure I like too many inns builders in the top 5. As it stands our top 4 fall into the inns builder role (Root can be more adaptable) and for me that is 1 too many. I feel Ravi has shown more urgency at 7 and I like the idea of having a number 7 who can bat and not just slog. The problem with putting him up the order is that everyone else moves down a place and then you have Buttler at 7 and I'm of the opinion that Buttler is better than a last 5 overs batsman abd should be given the same opportunity as Morgan. IMO Buttler is the best SF batsman we have and should be floating in the order and coming in any time after the 15-20 overs mark

Posted by SirViv1973 on (August 21, 2014, 11:45 GMT)

@R_U_4_Real_Nick, agree with comments re Stokes & Woakes. I struggle to see why the selectors are continuing to stick with Woakes in the white ball game at all. He took 6 wickets on debut against Aus in 2011 & since then has managed just 9 wickets @57 in 12 matches at an EC rate of very nearly 6. During this period, for bowlers who have played 10 matches or more only Dernbach has a worse wickets/EC rate than Woakes. Woakes certainly isn't a wicket taker at this level & his EC rate isn't that of a bowler who is in the side to do a containing role.

Posted by SirViv1973 on (August 21, 2014, 11:25 GMT)

Feel a bit for Ravi being dropped. IMO he's should really have been batting in the top 5 throughout his ODI career. In more recent times due to the lack of a 5th bowler Ravi has kind of fallen in to the allrounder birth which has at times seen him batting down at 7 or 8 which means he has had no time to build his inns meaning he normally has to come in and throw his wicket away.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 20, 2014, 20:04 GMT)

@LeeJA on (August 20, 2014, 15:12 GMT) Maybe Ali has actually improved as a spinner and will continue to improve but he was our spinner for the SL/India series by default because we had no faith in anyone else. Time will tell

Posted by LeeJA on (August 20, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

JG2704 - Ali is our number 1 test spinner at present. How you see him clearly is different to how the management see him - while the Indian's may have flattered him (they may not have) he is still very close to the definition of an all rounder. Bopara and him are similar in that respects - chosen for their batting and then showing they could do more. We have to remember how long it took for Bopara to be given more than 3-4 over in a international. Even now he doesn't always bowl his 10 overs for Essex in a 50 over game.

I concede Bopara has his strengths - it will now be good to see if Ali can show himself to be just as useful - especially at drying the runs up.

Judging him on 10 50 over innings would be as naive as judging Taylor on his 2 games (ave of 13 sr of 52 :) ) - so it is pointless judging either. At least in Ballance you have an player who has shown international pedigree recently with the List A record to back it up... in Taylor you have a player who has had a poor season

Posted by JG2704 on (August 20, 2014, 14:42 GMT)

@LeeJA - I would have to say that I don't see Ali as an all rounder and I feel that he is more of a batsman who bowls some useful overs. I'd say he's more of a bowler than Root but would not be as relied upon as Ravi or Patel (if he was in the side). My instinct is that India flattered him with how bad they were. Up til the equalising test Cook was reluctant to bowl too many Ali overs in any fmt I'd also say that Ravi offers a totally different bowling style to anything Ali offers. Tredwell/Ali and Root offer variations of spin and Woakes,Stokes and Jordan offer a variety of pace. Ravi offers something different. You're could be right saying it's too early to judge Ballance but I guess I find it hard to forget the ODI vs SL when him and Root scored 40s at a SR in the early 60s when chasing 300. And looking at his SR he has only twice gone above 70 when compiling scores in double figures and only once has his SR been better than the teams SR.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 20, 2014, 14:39 GMT)

@JellybeanYorker on (August 20, 2014, 12:38 GMT) You said that he was injured in a related thread but now it's because they know what he can do. I think you have to look at his ER and SR and also how he's done in recent years. Without seeing the figures I seem to recall his batting SR was in the low 70s a couple of years ago which if correct suggests that his SR has improved considerably. And re bowling - the ER is also important. It's not just about the average. There are 3 other players with an ODI ER of less than 5 and one of those is new to the set up and another is rested for many ODIs. On many occasions Tredwell,Bopara and the now retired Swann have made the difference between England having to chase a gettable score and an ungettable score after drying up the runs in the middle overs. In SFs I am happier with him than Stokes and Woakes both with bat and ball

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 20, 2014, 13:56 GMT)

@EdwardMillsGrace (post on August 19, 2014, 19:38 GMT): JG2704 has already answered for me, & my logic was/is that I'd much rather have 5-10 economical overs from Bopara (+ wickets in most games) than 10 very expensive overs from Stokes/Woakes (+ rarely any wickets, or once in a blue moon they'll strike it rich & pick up a cluster). Bopara also seems to offer much more with the bat than the latter two in more games (Stokes only has one 50, & Woakes none...). International cricket is a step up from County, no? England doesn't seem to have genuine all-rounders, so I can only use the term very loosely/relatively & reiterate that Bopara is closer/more useful in my opinion and should be persisted with until somebody else (maybe Stokes in the near-future) stands out more. Doubts over whether Bopara's bowling would be useful in Australia for WC are, I suppose, justified; but here in U.K. where the ball moves around, like JG2704 Bopara would be/is one of my first names down in short formats.

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