England news August 19, 2014

Bopara omission a surprise - Giles

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'England show their hand' - Giles

Ashley Giles, the former England one-day coach, was surprised by the omission of Ravi Bopara from the squad to face India but believes it will have stemmed from concerns over how his bowling would cope at the World Cup.

Bopara returned to England's one-day side shortly before last year's Champions Trophy, when Giles was coach, and his bowling developed to the stage where he was often entrusted with the fifth-bowler's role, but the selectors have gone for two allrounders with greater pace - Ben Stokes and Chris Woakes - along with Moeen Ali as a second spin option.

"I'm a little surprised, and it's quite a late change," Giles told ESPNcricinfo's Match Point show. "He's been a good utility cricketer but it's probably showing England's hand in that they probably need to play four frontline seamers and a spinner.

"Ravi is a bit more bits-and-pieces with the ball. With the other guys they have in the squad - Stokes, Woakes, Jordan and Moeen Ali - they have four allrounders so can cover a lot of bases."

Bopara tweeted about his omission and insisted he will retain his place. "Very disappointed to miss out on selection for ODI's but more determined then [sic] ever to get back in the side. I will be back!"

Giles, meanwhile, also backed Ian Bell to retain a place in England's top order, saying he is the "world class" player they need at No. 3 behind Alastair Cook and Alex Hales, the latter who will make his ODI debut in the series.

Cook and Bell was the partnership Giles used during the Champions Trophy last year, where England reached the final, and they opened together in the series against Australia in January. Giles does not believe England need to drastically change their gameplan but said that totals around 300 will be a prerequisite at the World Cup.

"It's a common talking point, the top 10 overs. I don't think it needs you to go mad, but it does need you to increase the tempo. In Australia you will need 300 regularly to win games, it will be the benchmark to make a fist of the World Cup."

Another debate from England's 15-man squad was whether James Anderson, the Man of the Series in the Investec Test series, should have been rested - something that happened regularly for Anderson when Giles was in charge - following an intense run of seven Tests but Giles said that with the World Cup closing in he needed to be around the team.

"They have looked after Jimmy Anderson in one-day cricket in the past but now that the World Cup is coming up it's important he plays. I'm not sure he'll play every game, but he'll be a key part in Australia with the two new balls."

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  • Umer.Lohya123 on August 23, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    bopara should be playing my future squad would be

    ODI

    1. james Vince 2. Jason Roy 3. joe root [Captain] 4. Varun chopra [vice captain] 5. Moeen Ali 6. james taylor 7. jos buttler[Keeper] 8. chris Jordan 9. Adil Rashid 10. Steven finn 11.Chris Tremett

  • JG2704 on August 21, 2014, 21:40 GMT

    Listening to the interview I notice that Giles says about Eng needing 4 seamers in Australia - Why?

    In the last ODI series in Aus Bopara's ER in each match was 5 , 3.8 , 2.8 , 5.3 and 6 Only in the last match when Ravi bowled 3 overs for 18 did he go at more RPO than the Australian total. Do facts not speak for themselves?

    I'd say go for Jimmy,Gurney and either Broad or Jordan as 3 specialist pace bowlers and then split 10 overs between Ravi,Ali and Root.

    Possible side could be

    Cook,Bell/Hales (in either order) , Root,Buttler,Morgan,Bopara, Broad or Jordan , Tredwell , Jimmy,Gurney

  • JG2704 on August 21, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    @SirViv1973 on (August 21, 2014, 11:25 GMT) Thing is - we had Ravi play a number of games in the top 5 and his SR was worse than it is now. Not sure I like too many inns builders in the top 5. As it stands our top 4 fall into the inns builder role (Root can be more adaptable) and for me that is 1 too many. I feel Ravi has shown more urgency at 7 and I like the idea of having a number 7 who can bat and not just slog. The problem with putting him up the order is that everyone else moves down a place and then you have Buttler at 7 and I'm of the opinion that Buttler is better than a last 5 overs batsman abd should be given the same opportunity as Morgan. IMO Buttler is the best SF batsman we have and should be floating in the order and coming in any time after the 15-20 overs mark

  • SirViv1973 on August 21, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    @R_U_4_Real_Nick, agree with comments re Stokes & Woakes. I struggle to see why the selectors are continuing to stick with Woakes in the white ball game at all. He took 6 wickets on debut against Aus in 2011 & since then has managed just 9 wickets @57 in 12 matches at an EC rate of very nearly 6. During this period, for bowlers who have played 10 matches or more only Dernbach has a worse wickets/EC rate than Woakes. Woakes certainly isn't a wicket taker at this level & his EC rate isn't that of a bowler who is in the side to do a containing role.

  • SirViv1973 on August 21, 2014, 11:25 GMT

    Feel a bit for Ravi being dropped. IMO he's should really have been batting in the top 5 throughout his ODI career. In more recent times due to the lack of a 5th bowler Ravi has kind of fallen in to the allrounder birth which has at times seen him batting down at 7 or 8 which means he has had no time to build his inns meaning he normally has to come in and throw his wicket away.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 20:04 GMT

    @LeeJA on (August 20, 2014, 15:12 GMT) Maybe Ali has actually improved as a spinner and will continue to improve but he was our spinner for the SL/India series by default because we had no faith in anyone else. Time will tell

  • LeeJA on August 20, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    JG2704 - Ali is our number 1 test spinner at present. How you see him clearly is different to how the management see him - while the Indian's may have flattered him (they may not have) he is still very close to the definition of an all rounder. Bopara and him are similar in that respects - chosen for their batting and then showing they could do more. We have to remember how long it took for Bopara to be given more than 3-4 over in a international. Even now he doesn't always bowl his 10 overs for Essex in a 50 over game.

    I concede Bopara has his strengths - it will now be good to see if Ali can show himself to be just as useful - especially at drying the runs up.

    Judging him on 10 50 over innings would be as naive as judging Taylor on his 2 games (ave of 13 sr of 52 :) ) - so it is pointless judging either. At least in Ballance you have an player who has shown international pedigree recently with the List A record to back it up... in Taylor you have a player who has had a poor season

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    @LeeJA - I would have to say that I don't see Ali as an all rounder and I feel that he is more of a batsman who bowls some useful overs. I'd say he's more of a bowler than Root but would not be as relied upon as Ravi or Patel (if he was in the side). My instinct is that India flattered him with how bad they were. Up til the equalising test Cook was reluctant to bowl too many Ali overs in any fmt I'd also say that Ravi offers a totally different bowling style to anything Ali offers. Tredwell/Ali and Root offer variations of spin and Woakes,Stokes and Jordan offer a variety of pace. Ravi offers something different. You're could be right saying it's too early to judge Ballance but I guess I find it hard to forget the ODI vs SL when him and Root scored 40s at a SR in the early 60s when chasing 300. And looking at his SR he has only twice gone above 70 when compiling scores in double figures and only once has his SR been better than the teams SR.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 14:39 GMT

    @JellybeanYorker on (August 20, 2014, 12:38 GMT) You said that he was injured in a related thread but now it's because they know what he can do. I think you have to look at his ER and SR and also how he's done in recent years. Without seeing the figures I seem to recall his batting SR was in the low 70s a couple of years ago which if correct suggests that his SR has improved considerably. And re bowling - the ER is also important. It's not just about the average. There are 3 other players with an ODI ER of less than 5 and one of those is new to the set up and another is rested for many ODIs. On many occasions Tredwell,Bopara and the now retired Swann have made the difference between England having to chase a gettable score and an ungettable score after drying up the runs in the middle overs. In SFs I am happier with him than Stokes and Woakes both with bat and ball

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 20, 2014, 13:56 GMT

    @EdwardMillsGrace (post on August 19, 2014, 19:38 GMT): JG2704 has already answered for me, & my logic was/is that I'd much rather have 5-10 economical overs from Bopara (+ wickets in most games) than 10 very expensive overs from Stokes/Woakes (+ rarely any wickets, or once in a blue moon they'll strike it rich & pick up a cluster). Bopara also seems to offer much more with the bat than the latter two in more games (Stokes only has one 50, & Woakes none...). International cricket is a step up from County, no? England doesn't seem to have genuine all-rounders, so I can only use the term very loosely/relatively & reiterate that Bopara is closer/more useful in my opinion and should be persisted with until somebody else (maybe Stokes in the near-future) stands out more. Doubts over whether Bopara's bowling would be useful in Australia for WC are, I suppose, justified; but here in U.K. where the ball moves around, like JG2704 Bopara would be/is one of my first names down in short formats.

  • Umer.Lohya123 on August 23, 2014, 18:05 GMT

    bopara should be playing my future squad would be

    ODI

    1. james Vince 2. Jason Roy 3. joe root [Captain] 4. Varun chopra [vice captain] 5. Moeen Ali 6. james taylor 7. jos buttler[Keeper] 8. chris Jordan 9. Adil Rashid 10. Steven finn 11.Chris Tremett

  • JG2704 on August 21, 2014, 21:40 GMT

    Listening to the interview I notice that Giles says about Eng needing 4 seamers in Australia - Why?

    In the last ODI series in Aus Bopara's ER in each match was 5 , 3.8 , 2.8 , 5.3 and 6 Only in the last match when Ravi bowled 3 overs for 18 did he go at more RPO than the Australian total. Do facts not speak for themselves?

    I'd say go for Jimmy,Gurney and either Broad or Jordan as 3 specialist pace bowlers and then split 10 overs between Ravi,Ali and Root.

    Possible side could be

    Cook,Bell/Hales (in either order) , Root,Buttler,Morgan,Bopara, Broad or Jordan , Tredwell , Jimmy,Gurney

  • JG2704 on August 21, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    @SirViv1973 on (August 21, 2014, 11:25 GMT) Thing is - we had Ravi play a number of games in the top 5 and his SR was worse than it is now. Not sure I like too many inns builders in the top 5. As it stands our top 4 fall into the inns builder role (Root can be more adaptable) and for me that is 1 too many. I feel Ravi has shown more urgency at 7 and I like the idea of having a number 7 who can bat and not just slog. The problem with putting him up the order is that everyone else moves down a place and then you have Buttler at 7 and I'm of the opinion that Buttler is better than a last 5 overs batsman abd should be given the same opportunity as Morgan. IMO Buttler is the best SF batsman we have and should be floating in the order and coming in any time after the 15-20 overs mark

  • SirViv1973 on August 21, 2014, 11:45 GMT

    @R_U_4_Real_Nick, agree with comments re Stokes & Woakes. I struggle to see why the selectors are continuing to stick with Woakes in the white ball game at all. He took 6 wickets on debut against Aus in 2011 & since then has managed just 9 wickets @57 in 12 matches at an EC rate of very nearly 6. During this period, for bowlers who have played 10 matches or more only Dernbach has a worse wickets/EC rate than Woakes. Woakes certainly isn't a wicket taker at this level & his EC rate isn't that of a bowler who is in the side to do a containing role.

  • SirViv1973 on August 21, 2014, 11:25 GMT

    Feel a bit for Ravi being dropped. IMO he's should really have been batting in the top 5 throughout his ODI career. In more recent times due to the lack of a 5th bowler Ravi has kind of fallen in to the allrounder birth which has at times seen him batting down at 7 or 8 which means he has had no time to build his inns meaning he normally has to come in and throw his wicket away.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 20:04 GMT

    @LeeJA on (August 20, 2014, 15:12 GMT) Maybe Ali has actually improved as a spinner and will continue to improve but he was our spinner for the SL/India series by default because we had no faith in anyone else. Time will tell

  • LeeJA on August 20, 2014, 15:12 GMT

    JG2704 - Ali is our number 1 test spinner at present. How you see him clearly is different to how the management see him - while the Indian's may have flattered him (they may not have) he is still very close to the definition of an all rounder. Bopara and him are similar in that respects - chosen for their batting and then showing they could do more. We have to remember how long it took for Bopara to be given more than 3-4 over in a international. Even now he doesn't always bowl his 10 overs for Essex in a 50 over game.

    I concede Bopara has his strengths - it will now be good to see if Ali can show himself to be just as useful - especially at drying the runs up.

    Judging him on 10 50 over innings would be as naive as judging Taylor on his 2 games (ave of 13 sr of 52 :) ) - so it is pointless judging either. At least in Ballance you have an player who has shown international pedigree recently with the List A record to back it up... in Taylor you have a player who has had a poor season

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    @LeeJA - I would have to say that I don't see Ali as an all rounder and I feel that he is more of a batsman who bowls some useful overs. I'd say he's more of a bowler than Root but would not be as relied upon as Ravi or Patel (if he was in the side). My instinct is that India flattered him with how bad they were. Up til the equalising test Cook was reluctant to bowl too many Ali overs in any fmt I'd also say that Ravi offers a totally different bowling style to anything Ali offers. Tredwell/Ali and Root offer variations of spin and Woakes,Stokes and Jordan offer a variety of pace. Ravi offers something different. You're could be right saying it's too early to judge Ballance but I guess I find it hard to forget the ODI vs SL when him and Root scored 40s at a SR in the early 60s when chasing 300. And looking at his SR he has only twice gone above 70 when compiling scores in double figures and only once has his SR been better than the teams SR.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 14:39 GMT

    @JellybeanYorker on (August 20, 2014, 12:38 GMT) You said that he was injured in a related thread but now it's because they know what he can do. I think you have to look at his ER and SR and also how he's done in recent years. Without seeing the figures I seem to recall his batting SR was in the low 70s a couple of years ago which if correct suggests that his SR has improved considerably. And re bowling - the ER is also important. It's not just about the average. There are 3 other players with an ODI ER of less than 5 and one of those is new to the set up and another is rested for many ODIs. On many occasions Tredwell,Bopara and the now retired Swann have made the difference between England having to chase a gettable score and an ungettable score after drying up the runs in the middle overs. In SFs I am happier with him than Stokes and Woakes both with bat and ball

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 20, 2014, 13:56 GMT

    @EdwardMillsGrace (post on August 19, 2014, 19:38 GMT): JG2704 has already answered for me, & my logic was/is that I'd much rather have 5-10 economical overs from Bopara (+ wickets in most games) than 10 very expensive overs from Stokes/Woakes (+ rarely any wickets, or once in a blue moon they'll strike it rich & pick up a cluster). Bopara also seems to offer much more with the bat than the latter two in more games (Stokes only has one 50, & Woakes none...). International cricket is a step up from County, no? England doesn't seem to have genuine all-rounders, so I can only use the term very loosely/relatively & reiterate that Bopara is closer/more useful in my opinion and should be persisted with until somebody else (maybe Stokes in the near-future) stands out more. Doubts over whether Bopara's bowling would be useful in Australia for WC are, I suppose, justified; but here in U.K. where the ball moves around, like JG2704 Bopara would be/is one of my first names down in short formats.

  • LeeJA on August 20, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    JG2704 - Interesting debate :)... I'd say it is too soon to judge Ballance on his ODI form, it's only 10 games, of which a few were against the Aussies. Looking at his List A record he averages over 50 with a score rate of 90... not to be disregarded in my opinion. If he wasn't there I'd take Taylor not another all rounder - however Taylor's form this term has been patchy at best so as a back up I'd plumb for Ballance.

    I just don't think it's Root vs Ali - one is a batsman and one is an all-rounder. Root is in a great position that he is one of the few batsmen good enough for England who can contribute some overs. For me it isn't one or the other - it is both and they are competing with different people.

    When I compared Ali and Bopara, it is more to do with their role in the team than they way they deliver a ball. They are different but their roles will be the same - supporting Tredwell to dry up the runs and take wickets. I am not sure if Ali can do it but he has earnt a chance imo.

  • PeerieTrow on August 20, 2014, 12:38 GMT

    Bopara has been left out of the Eng-V-Ind ODI squad, according to Charles Colville on the Series Verdict, because the selectors know what he can do and want to look at other players. Personally, given his ODI record (2453 runs at 31.44 ave and 37 wickets at 37.45) I don't rate Bopara too highly. In the Royal London ODC I believe he bowled a total of 8 overs and took no wickets. He has faired better in the domestic T20 (417 runs at 46-ish ave and 11 wickets at 26.7). In the recent lions matches he didn't set the world alight completely. Scoring 207 runs at and average of 51.75 might sound good, but with scores ranging from 2 to 106 can the selectors be confident as to which Bopara will turn up on the day? His bowling didn't impress, taking 4 wickets from 25 overs at 37.5. Good enough figures to be pencilled if not inked in for the World Cup perhaps. I think Ravi is a good player with excellent skills who for whatever reason has never fully achieved his potential.

  • brusselslion on August 20, 2014, 10:52 GMT

    Disappointing squad. I definitely make the following changes: Roy for Cook; Bairstow for Bell; Bopara for Tredwell (yes, I know; not like for like).

    Probably also change Bresnan for Stokes/ Woakes and, maybe, one of Overton, Rashid or Meaker for the other.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 10:30 GMT

    @LeeJA on (August 20, 2014, 9:56 GMT) The thing with Ballance is that so far his ODI career has been really poor. As a batsman alone both his SR and average is worse than Bopara's and that on mostly batting friendly wickets. And that's before you add Ravi's bowling to the equation. If Ravi can't bowl then I would probably not have him in the side either but if he can bowl then he is a must. Ballance would be one of my first batting picks in the test side right now but we shouldn't confuse the 2 formats.Agree re the bowlers from the squad we have . Presuming Hales plays then I would decide between Root and Ali depending on if you want more overs (go for Ali) or improve the batting (go for Root) and I disagree re Ali being too similar to Ravi. Ravi's bowling is totally different to anyone else in the side. If he can't bowl then surely James Taylor is a better bet with the bat than Ballance in this format

  • LeeJA on August 20, 2014, 9:56 GMT

    @JG2704 - I think a 'Hales' type is seen as necessary for team improvement in the attempt to hit 300 every innings... so we need him at the top of the innings.

    My take on it is we need 4 bowlers - who will be Jordan (who is bowler who can bat a bit not an all rounder), Anderson, Gurney and Tredwell.

    Because of the lack of all rounders we will have 5 batsmen - Hales, Cook, Bell, Morgan and Root (who is a batsman who can bowl and not an all rounder)... if we had better all rounders than batsmen might change but we don't. Ballance covers all of these.

    Then the one all rounder - which goes to Ali... they have probably felt Bopara is too close to Ali and so the presence of Woakes and Stokes gives them something different. Bopara would be in there if there was doubts about Ali.

    That's my take on things.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 8:45 GMT

    @LeeJA on (August 20, 2014, 7:29 GMT) For me Ali should be competing with Root for a place. And if they don't want a Hales/Wright/Lumb type in the top 3 there is room for all 3 (Ali/Root and Ravi)

    Batting could read Bell,Cook,Ali,Root,Morgan,Buttler and Ravi. Ali/Root and Ravi sharing 10 overs with 4 specialist bowlers - Jimmy/Gurney/Tredwell and one other.

    Ravi brings a whole different dimension to the bowling attack that is neither pace or spin and only Tredwell has a better ER than him in ODIs.

  • JG2704 on August 20, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    @EdwardMillsGrace on (August 19, 2014, 19:38 GMT) I'd rather have Ravis's bowling than any of Stokes,Woakes and Jordan. He's not a big wicket taker but his ER is under 5 whereas none of Stokes,Woakes or Jordan are. ER is not the be all and end all of SFs but I believe in recent years Ravi and Tredwell have kept us in many matches with their economical bowling keeping a lid on things. His batting is way better than the other 3. Yes you could say he should be competing with Ballance/Root etc for a place up the order but I like Ravi at 7 and feel he has shown more urgency when batting down at 7 and it's good to have a batsman with more craft down the order. He also offers a different dimension in the bowling. I'm not saying he should be considered in tests but for me he'd be the 2nd or 3rd pick on my ODI side

  • LeeJA on August 20, 2014, 7:29 GMT

    I see people are still scapegoating Cook - with an average of 38 and a strike rate of around 80 (both of which have improved over the last couple of years) there is no reason he shouldn't be opening, other than to concentrate on test form (which isn't an issue for England again until post WC).

    As for the same boring criticisms that people were harping on about pre the last 3 games - I would have thought people would have learnt not to underestimate him.

    Ravi has simply been replaced in the team by Ali - and after recent form in the tests that is totally understandable. He has been a victim of others success rather than his own performances. Over the last few years he has always been one of the last names on the team sheet because he has lacked consistency.

    As an Essex boy I want him to succeed, but there are better players now and so he needs to wait in the wings until someone messes up. Ravi has failed to deliver more for England than succeed so it's good to see the change made

  • sujeemuller on August 20, 2014, 6:00 GMT

    As a sri lankan fan Hales make the England team very strong.. and I feel this team strong to beet any team.. so tuff time to Indian team to beet England. Even Hales fail give him all the opertunity.. my team England for WC Cook, Hales, Bel, Root, Morgan, Butler, Ali, Anderson, Broad, Jordan, Ben/ wolks isn't that strong

  • landl47 on August 20, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    If the top 3 are Cook, Hales and Bell, Root is #4 and Morgan #5, I guess that rules Ballance out. England must play 5 bowlers and Root can't be relied on to be one of them. Bopara at #6 would have balanced the side, but I guess two out of Stokes, Woakes, Jordan and Moeen will play with Tredwell, Finn or Gurney and Anderson. They might try using Moeen instead of Tredwell, but it would be a pretty big risk because he can't be replaced by anyone else but Root if he has a bad game.

    England needs to use this series to try something different- all-out attack. Try and put 300+ on the board in every game. Economy is not the strong suit of any of England's bowlers except Tredwell, so the batsmen will have to go for big totals.

    Hopefully it will be fun to watch, though short-format cricket is not really my thing.

  • SirBobJones on August 20, 2014, 3:45 GMT

    @TonbridgeLK I too would be interested to see that analysis, though am struggling to find where in the article it mentions anything about 40 runs in the first 10 overs!

  • Jamie-1212 on August 19, 2014, 20:05 GMT

    Bopara has performed better in the last 18 months, especially with the ball.

    However, after 108 ODI's you can't say he hasn't been given enough opportunities to establish himself in this side. Some players are given just one series to impress, Michael Carberry springs to mind.

  • Jamie-1212 on August 19, 2014, 20:00 GMT

    If Cook wasn't captain, would he really be in the team. Is Cook in the top 6 one day batsman we have in England?

    I feel its a big mistake going into the world cup with him as captain, firstly for his poor strike rate, and secondly for his routine and unimaginative captaincy.

    If and when England fail at the world cup, i can see Cook being dropped and Morgan being given the captaincy. Unfortunately, this move will be a year too late.

  • samyttt on August 19, 2014, 19:57 GMT

    its a joke not getting ravi in yes hes not as fast as the other allrounding bowlers but he can bowl well and bat 100*100 times better than the other all-rounders sometimes i think why not just consider him as a pure batsmen but tbh no space on top but all-rounder spot has to be his fixed cant be kicking him and puting him in hes a classy and big hitter eng needs him bad down and they will surely realize that after the first odi

  • EdwardMillsGrace on August 19, 2014, 19:38 GMT

    Not quite what logic says that Bopara is "closer to a genuine all-rounder than Stokes". Not his bowling certainly. Bopara is a batsman who can bowl a bit and, as such, really should have been competing for a place at 4 or 5 or even 3 in the order. But he's never quite looked the part up there and at seven was always going to be vulnerable to better bowlers. To be honest, he'd probably have been one of last Winter's casualties had Stokes been fit at the start of the season.

  • ruester on August 19, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    I really hoped that the selectors would have made the most difficult but sensible decision, drop Cook from the side. For me he does not get into the side, he is too pedestrian as an opener and he certainly is not in fine form. We need big hitters at the start of the innings and a more inspirational captain. Cook does not fit those criteria. Remember the World Cup is the priority and it will be played in Australian conditions not England. We have a whole host of talented young batters who can smash it. Let them play, not stick to failed strategies which have not worked....ever!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 19, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    @Dean Jarratt (post on August 19, 2014, 15:56 GMT): I completely agree. I'm seeing this more and more at club-level cricket too; bowlers that are really economical and/or effective at picking up wickets regularly are overlooked for weaker bowlers who 'once-in-a-blue-moon' offer something significant with the bat. When are people going to realise that the bowling is just as important as the batting in these short formats? The big difference between tests and short formats is that the bowlers in the latter don't even necessarily HAVE to be striking and run through teams regularly; it's all about economy.

    I wont be surprised if we see the likes of Jade Dernbach back for the WC...

  • D.S.A on August 19, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    This still disguises the fact that Cook and Bell should not be in the team. Two ridiculous moves in one. No condemnation here by Giles...doesn't want to burn bridges, while voicing a seemingly important view to tell the world.

  • TonbridgeLK on August 19, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    Forty runs in the first 10 overs? What planet is Aslhey Giles in? With a forty in the first 10 over you have almost already lost the match. Even sixty is not half the time. Someone can put some stats on the winning rate with forty, fifty and sixty on board after 10!

  • captainandy on August 19, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    Hales definitely didn't play against the WI in the ODIs. He played in the T20Is so is yet to make his debut in the 50 over format at international level. e.g. http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-england-2013-14/engine/match/636535.html

  • on August 19, 2014, 15:56 GMT

    300 the benchmark! Do Bowlers simply consider themselves as fodder these days?

    One day cricket is crying out for a team with a set of bowlers who can bowl teams out. The team which does this will be a serious force.

  • on August 19, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    I think you would find out that Hales played in the west indies one daers earlier in the year, hence has already made his debut. as far as Bopara he has had alot of chances his bowling has come on more but he doesnt finish games with the bat and at 7 he has to do this.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 19, 2014, 15:24 GMT

    England falling into the same old habits/mistakes as before... Pretending they have great all-rounders who can bat and bowl well at international level, and generally end up failing miserably at both departments. In the absence of a Flintoff / Kallis, I would stick with guys who can bat well, backed up with guys who can bowl well. Bopara is the closest thing we have to an all-rounder for short formats, NOT Stokes, Woakes, Jordan, Bresnan, Ali...

  • on August 19, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    Surprised Tim Bresnan is now being overlooked, he is both bowling and batting well at the moment. Id rathe rhave him in than Woakes or Jordan

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  • on August 19, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    Surprised Tim Bresnan is now being overlooked, he is both bowling and batting well at the moment. Id rathe rhave him in than Woakes or Jordan

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 19, 2014, 15:24 GMT

    England falling into the same old habits/mistakes as before... Pretending they have great all-rounders who can bat and bowl well at international level, and generally end up failing miserably at both departments. In the absence of a Flintoff / Kallis, I would stick with guys who can bat well, backed up with guys who can bowl well. Bopara is the closest thing we have to an all-rounder for short formats, NOT Stokes, Woakes, Jordan, Bresnan, Ali...

  • on August 19, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    I think you would find out that Hales played in the west indies one daers earlier in the year, hence has already made his debut. as far as Bopara he has had alot of chances his bowling has come on more but he doesnt finish games with the bat and at 7 he has to do this.

  • on August 19, 2014, 15:56 GMT

    300 the benchmark! Do Bowlers simply consider themselves as fodder these days?

    One day cricket is crying out for a team with a set of bowlers who can bowl teams out. The team which does this will be a serious force.

  • captainandy on August 19, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    Hales definitely didn't play against the WI in the ODIs. He played in the T20Is so is yet to make his debut in the 50 over format at international level. e.g. http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-england-2013-14/engine/match/636535.html

  • TonbridgeLK on August 19, 2014, 16:36 GMT

    Forty runs in the first 10 overs? What planet is Aslhey Giles in? With a forty in the first 10 over you have almost already lost the match. Even sixty is not half the time. Someone can put some stats on the winning rate with forty, fifty and sixty on board after 10!

  • D.S.A on August 19, 2014, 16:40 GMT

    This still disguises the fact that Cook and Bell should not be in the team. Two ridiculous moves in one. No condemnation here by Giles...doesn't want to burn bridges, while voicing a seemingly important view to tell the world.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 19, 2014, 16:43 GMT

    @Dean Jarratt (post on August 19, 2014, 15:56 GMT): I completely agree. I'm seeing this more and more at club-level cricket too; bowlers that are really economical and/or effective at picking up wickets regularly are overlooked for weaker bowlers who 'once-in-a-blue-moon' offer something significant with the bat. When are people going to realise that the bowling is just as important as the batting in these short formats? The big difference between tests and short formats is that the bowlers in the latter don't even necessarily HAVE to be striking and run through teams regularly; it's all about economy.

    I wont be surprised if we see the likes of Jade Dernbach back for the WC...

  • ruester on August 19, 2014, 17:41 GMT

    I really hoped that the selectors would have made the most difficult but sensible decision, drop Cook from the side. For me he does not get into the side, he is too pedestrian as an opener and he certainly is not in fine form. We need big hitters at the start of the innings and a more inspirational captain. Cook does not fit those criteria. Remember the World Cup is the priority and it will be played in Australian conditions not England. We have a whole host of talented young batters who can smash it. Let them play, not stick to failed strategies which have not worked....ever!

  • EdwardMillsGrace on August 19, 2014, 19:38 GMT

    Not quite what logic says that Bopara is "closer to a genuine all-rounder than Stokes". Not his bowling certainly. Bopara is a batsman who can bowl a bit and, as such, really should have been competing for a place at 4 or 5 or even 3 in the order. But he's never quite looked the part up there and at seven was always going to be vulnerable to better bowlers. To be honest, he'd probably have been one of last Winter's casualties had Stokes been fit at the start of the season.