India in England 2014 August 20, 2014

'My role is to oversee everything' - Shastri

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Former India allrounder Ravi Shastri, the newly appointed team director for the ODI series in England, has said that though he will be in charge of the team, head coach Duncan Fletcher has not been sidelined.

"My role is to oversee everything. All of them report to me," Shastri told ESPNcricinfo in an interview where he expanded on his role. The decision by the BCCI to bring in Shastri along with the three Indian assistants - Sanjay Bangar (batting), B Arun (bowling) and R Sridhar (fielding) - and "give a break" to fielding coach Trevor Penney and bowling coach Joe Dawes ignited speculation about Fletcher's future.

But Shastri emphasised that Fletcher would not be sidelined. "Absolutely not. He stays as the head coach. And these two (Bangar and Arun) will be his assistants. I am there to oversee."

Immediately after the BCCI made public his appointment on Tuesday morning, Shastri went to the team hotel in London where he had a two-hour chat with both MS Dhoni and Fletcher to chalk out plans for the five-match ODI series which starts in Bristol on Monday. "We had a chat about where things are at the moment and how things have to be addressed. And how important communication will be."

Shastri has been blunt in his assessments in the wake of India's 3-1 defeat against England in the five-match Test series. Although he picked inexperience as the deciding factor behind India's defeat he described the team's performance as "spineless". "On this tour I saw India's greatest ever overseas win I have seen. I know it because I have never seen a track like that and with this kind of inexperienced side, for them to pull it off... Then I also saw some spineless cricket over the last three Tests matches. Spineless means stomach for a fight. People would have accepted 3-1 if there was a little more fight."

Shastri said that it was painful to watch batsmen not learning from their mistakes during the series. "My only disappointment was players at times making the same mistake," Shastri said. "That disappointed me. Everyone makes a mistake, but you want to try something different."

In his newspaper column, published the day after the Oval defeat, Shastri wrote: "Five sessions and not five days have been enough to nail them. But move on we must. Sit back and watch if these glam boys are ready for penance." Asked who exactly were his targets, Shastri revealed it was the top-order pair of Cheteshwar Pujara and Virat Kohli.

"I was hard on Pujara and Kohli specifically because they came here with big reputations. And they have been brought down to earth with their techniques being found out against the moving ball. And there is nothing wrong in that, it has happened to the biggest players. Now the true test of their character will be: how they bounce back. I have absolutely no doubt that not only will they bounce back, they will excel very, very soon."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 25, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    Every one do comment on the Indian pitches and relates the failure of batsmen to Indian Pitches. If that is the correct reason, why does India won at Lords when conditions are tailor made to Suit England? Is the Wanderers pitch too easy against Steyn, Philander, Morkel where Kohli, Pujara had Centuries. My dear Friends it is all application of one self and the fighting spirit. and by the way batting on 4th and 5th day in Indian Pitches is as tough as batting on 1st day on a Green top in English Conditions.

  • on August 22, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    How come, many fans are forgetting that Irfan had been unfit for quite some time, and is finding it difficult to find a place even in the Baroda team, quite frequently. I agree that Irfan was our best hope for a fast bowling alrounder. Alas, those days and those hopes have vanished quite some time ago. Yes, it is a shame.

    While admitting that he wasn't handled well, I should also add that he didn't handle his own decline well either. I distinctly remember Wasim expressing his willingness to help out Irfan, and also saying that the lad "is not approaching him for help".

  • santhoshg016 on August 22, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    How many of you noticed this, when India have got a such a good talent in bowling department, we lost some of the players, BCCI should take care of the players, No 1. what about Irfan pathan when he started his career in test cricket he used to swing the balls both side.. how badly India missing him, If the coaches had back up Pathan he could have made a huge difference in English conditions India missed him very badly.. No 2. If India has to win in overseas they have to use the fast bowlers differently,, In England conditions, Irfan, bhuvi, Ishant, Aaron, if India had played 4 fast bowlers then they can easily wrap up english batsmen.. Now past is past.. Now India is going to down under in December, i would like to see Umesh yadav, Varun Aaron, Ishant sharma/ MOHAMMED SHAMI.. so this could be the best bowling line up for Indian

  • JustIPL on August 22, 2014, 3:21 GMT

    Fletcher has been more of a rubber stamp. He was hired to know secrets about english tactics but it did not work. Board in fact wants to keep close eye on the indian players and find the reasons for dismal display. That is why shastri is in. India need chappel who disciplined them a lot. Foriegn coaches have a lesson to learn from Fletcher's debacle as indian coach.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 22, 2014, 0:29 GMT

    In my vision, I see the BCCI going full throttle with limited overs cricket and shutting India out of the test arena. That does not mean India will cease playing test cricket. As the world's most powerful cricket nation, they will continue to 'participate' in test cricket playing the occasional series every 2 years once. But going forward, ODIs and T20s will be their forte. India should focus on winning every major ODI and T20 tournaments from here on as it is very clear that test cricket is not for them. The Indian boys love aggressive cricket scoring at a brisk pace and intimidating the opposition. I for one would be most happy to see the BCCI take such measures.

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2014, 23:50 GMT

    @ Samdanh: Ganguly was part of fab4 plus he had zaheer, bhajji and kumble while Kapil had very useful bunch of all rounders who were world beaters on their day. Dhoni also had fab4 +uvi, zaheer, raina but now he is left with this bunch of players. A leader is as good as his men. He can use his aces better, provided he has them.

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2014, 21:48 GMT

    Before thinking big about india chances in the upcoming odi series, we have to take into account that they lost both asia cup and icc 2020 outside indian conditions in asia just recently. Even the UAE leg of IPL was different from India leg for indian batters in particular. Furthermore, their best player from BD series (binny) has been declared a mediocre player in england by all the expert and even by the indian fans.

  • Mutukisna on August 21, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    With the best will in the world, Ravi Shastri will find it difficult to knock this team into shape. The main problem appears to be in the batting. These are batsmen who have been brought up on flat pitches with low slow bounce designed to be batsmen's paradises producing high scores all in the cause of spectator entertainment. Their Test batting averages are also inflated and misleading because of the absence of DRS resulting in longer stays at the crease via the old reliance where a doubtful decision is always ruled by the umpire in favour of/ or for the benefit of the batsman. Sorry, have I inadvertently and unintentionally stumbled upon the definition of flat track bullies?

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    @Nampally: With the quality of batters and bowlers that India have Dhoni cant win even if inida play batsmen till seven or play six bowlers. Changing, captain coach etc. is not the solution of the current indian problems. Whole approach from the game admins from india has to change. Test selection should be based on regular domestic cricket and not at all just on IPL. Test losing cyndrome has spread to home soil as well with the way england won in india.

  • cricket_lover1 on August 21, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    Very good comments @criccitizen. I completely agree.

  • on August 25, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    Every one do comment on the Indian pitches and relates the failure of batsmen to Indian Pitches. If that is the correct reason, why does India won at Lords when conditions are tailor made to Suit England? Is the Wanderers pitch too easy against Steyn, Philander, Morkel where Kohli, Pujara had Centuries. My dear Friends it is all application of one self and the fighting spirit. and by the way batting on 4th and 5th day in Indian Pitches is as tough as batting on 1st day on a Green top in English Conditions.

  • on August 22, 2014, 12:37 GMT

    How come, many fans are forgetting that Irfan had been unfit for quite some time, and is finding it difficult to find a place even in the Baroda team, quite frequently. I agree that Irfan was our best hope for a fast bowling alrounder. Alas, those days and those hopes have vanished quite some time ago. Yes, it is a shame.

    While admitting that he wasn't handled well, I should also add that he didn't handle his own decline well either. I distinctly remember Wasim expressing his willingness to help out Irfan, and also saying that the lad "is not approaching him for help".

  • santhoshg016 on August 22, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    How many of you noticed this, when India have got a such a good talent in bowling department, we lost some of the players, BCCI should take care of the players, No 1. what about Irfan pathan when he started his career in test cricket he used to swing the balls both side.. how badly India missing him, If the coaches had back up Pathan he could have made a huge difference in English conditions India missed him very badly.. No 2. If India has to win in overseas they have to use the fast bowlers differently,, In England conditions, Irfan, bhuvi, Ishant, Aaron, if India had played 4 fast bowlers then they can easily wrap up english batsmen.. Now past is past.. Now India is going to down under in December, i would like to see Umesh yadav, Varun Aaron, Ishant sharma/ MOHAMMED SHAMI.. so this could be the best bowling line up for Indian

  • JustIPL on August 22, 2014, 3:21 GMT

    Fletcher has been more of a rubber stamp. He was hired to know secrets about english tactics but it did not work. Board in fact wants to keep close eye on the indian players and find the reasons for dismal display. That is why shastri is in. India need chappel who disciplined them a lot. Foriegn coaches have a lesson to learn from Fletcher's debacle as indian coach.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 22, 2014, 0:29 GMT

    In my vision, I see the BCCI going full throttle with limited overs cricket and shutting India out of the test arena. That does not mean India will cease playing test cricket. As the world's most powerful cricket nation, they will continue to 'participate' in test cricket playing the occasional series every 2 years once. But going forward, ODIs and T20s will be their forte. India should focus on winning every major ODI and T20 tournaments from here on as it is very clear that test cricket is not for them. The Indian boys love aggressive cricket scoring at a brisk pace and intimidating the opposition. I for one would be most happy to see the BCCI take such measures.

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2014, 23:50 GMT

    @ Samdanh: Ganguly was part of fab4 plus he had zaheer, bhajji and kumble while Kapil had very useful bunch of all rounders who were world beaters on their day. Dhoni also had fab4 +uvi, zaheer, raina but now he is left with this bunch of players. A leader is as good as his men. He can use his aces better, provided he has them.

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2014, 21:48 GMT

    Before thinking big about india chances in the upcoming odi series, we have to take into account that they lost both asia cup and icc 2020 outside indian conditions in asia just recently. Even the UAE leg of IPL was different from India leg for indian batters in particular. Furthermore, their best player from BD series (binny) has been declared a mediocre player in england by all the expert and even by the indian fans.

  • Mutukisna on August 21, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    With the best will in the world, Ravi Shastri will find it difficult to knock this team into shape. The main problem appears to be in the batting. These are batsmen who have been brought up on flat pitches with low slow bounce designed to be batsmen's paradises producing high scores all in the cause of spectator entertainment. Their Test batting averages are also inflated and misleading because of the absence of DRS resulting in longer stays at the crease via the old reliance where a doubtful decision is always ruled by the umpire in favour of/ or for the benefit of the batsman. Sorry, have I inadvertently and unintentionally stumbled upon the definition of flat track bullies?

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2014, 17:58 GMT

    @Nampally: With the quality of batters and bowlers that India have Dhoni cant win even if inida play batsmen till seven or play six bowlers. Changing, captain coach etc. is not the solution of the current indian problems. Whole approach from the game admins from india has to change. Test selection should be based on regular domestic cricket and not at all just on IPL. Test losing cyndrome has spread to home soil as well with the way england won in india.

  • cricket_lover1 on August 21, 2014, 17:51 GMT

    Very good comments @criccitizen. I completely agree.

  • CurrentPresident on August 21, 2014, 17:44 GMT

    It will be interesting to see how a team that did not last 30 overs will now bat for 50.

    Maybe it is the indeterminate nature of the innings that gets to the mind of the Indian batsmen.Perhaps, they will do better if the test matches were made to be four innings of 100 overs each.

    On that notes, I think there might be a future for matches with four innings of 20 overs each. Kinda like 20/20 but with two innings for each team. That might replace the 50 over ODIs at some point (which get boring in the middle overs).

  • gshant on August 21, 2014, 16:56 GMT

    Every one commented about professional players learning from their mistakes and watch the videos. Isn't that the first job for the coaches? Ishant Sharma could last more than 10 overs in the last test along with M.S.Dhoni, though he did not score many runs. What did he do right, playing inside the line for swing?

  • vick2025 on August 21, 2014, 16:41 GMT

    The problem is not with the coaches or the team managers, its the players. A coach can only make a player ready for that one big game night but ultimately it is the players responsibility to carry out and execute the learned techniques from the coach. The coach will not help the player bat for them during the game. The best way for the Indian team to learn their mistakes will be for them to watch the ways they were bowled out because for more than one time each were out by the same slip-hit technique. Things may change for the ODIs but if these guys don't learn their mistakes then well its going to be a winless tour in Aus.

  • Rajesh.Kumar on August 21, 2014, 16:21 GMT

    During their 2011 tour, India lost not only all the test matches, it also lost all the completed T20 and ODI games. So we should not have too much hope from such a demoralized team. For example, in recently concluded Ashes, England not only lost all the test matches, they also lost all (but one) ODIs in Australia. Once a team gets into a losing spree, it is very difficult to break out of it, and one way of getting out of it is to play a weaker team under home conditions. Perhaps India will have to wait till the WI tour later on to get out of the losing spree...

  • Rajesh.Kumar on August 21, 2014, 16:16 GMT

    Indian players have lost the habit of playing a 5 test series which is actually physically very demanding. True that in the seventies and eighties India even played six test series, but all those series were played in India. When India toured England those times, they were given only 3-match test series, while 5-match series were reserved for better teams. This is the first time India ever played a 5-match test series in England, and results are for everyone to see. Because of IPL, ODIs, T20s, Indian players are playing just too much cricket, and, hence such a long test series is a bit too much for them. Hopefully, ECB has also learnt its lessons, and next time it will invite India only for a 3-test series, which will be welcomed by fans of both the countries as well the players.

  • criccitizen on August 21, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    I think most of the current Indian players in test squad does not have any Ranji trophy experience hence lack of temperament and patience. They are only fit to play ODIs and IPLs. BCCI should think of selecting the best performers in Ranji trophy and give more opportunities to those guys. Poor lads most of them goes unnoticed scoring tons of runs and picking lots of wickets. At least half of the current indian test team has to be replaced by best performers in Ranji. At least these Ranji guys will put on a fight in overseas condition. India A has done well in the recent test series in Australia because those guys have more ranji experience. BCCI please give chance to those poor guys waiting to cap India atleast once in their liftime and show their capabalities to the world. Changing coach or manager will not do any difference in TEST matches.

  • Arrow011 on August 21, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    I just do not understand the logic of India's so called great batsmen to score runs behind the wicket, is there no power for them to play down the wicket? Most bowlers from England, Australia, NZ, WI & South Africa bowl with 4-5 slips & these batsmen keep feeding them with catches in the slips. With more wickets falling the slip fielders increase yet the Indian tailenders feed them with catches. Is there no sense to score runs down the wicket when there are many slip fielders or if the offside field is packed, then score on the leg side even if it leads to cross batted shots. I think basic common sense is not applied.

  • sai22 on August 21, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    @Samdanh - Dravid should be made test batting coach , sachin odi batting coach , and dada head coach.

  • Cricfever_PM on August 21, 2014, 14:34 GMT

    @aneeshm11: Kohli is better player for No.4 and he just didn't play in this serious doesn't mean he is not better player. He already has over 25 international hundreds before his 25th age, and Dhoni is specialized Wicket keeper than batsmen and He is best for keeping. I suspect he can't bat at No.4 as he was not use to it and in test cricket wicket keeper will bat either at No.6 or No.7. This team is transformation and they will come back strong in 2 or 3 years down the line, we should have patience to accept it and move on.

  • Jaynull on August 21, 2014, 14:28 GMT

    We lost miserably in Test series even though we were 1-0 up in the series. What I have can noticed throguh out he series, Dhoni did not try something new and change the startegy, If Pujara is having problem should try Rahane in the first down since he has scored some runs in the previuos game. This would have reduced the pressure of Pujara little. I have seen Gangult tried this when Rahul was in bad patch. Instead of sending Rahul in the first down he tried Laxman in that psotion and it was successful. Since test matches are played for 5 days you should have multiple plan before starting of the match. Surely we are going to win one dya matches against England. Selectors will see for next 2 matches if Virat and Rohit is not performing they will bring in Manoj Tiwari and Naman Ojha in to the team.

  • Cricsnake on August 21, 2014, 14:09 GMT

    I hope India will bounce back surprising all of us. When they failed in ODI's in SA everybody expected much worse results in tests but India fought hard better than other Asian teams. As Sri Lankans we are happy that our team was able to beat England in all formats T20, ODI & at last in tests on their home soil. As I believe team India was not ready for a longer test series. Considering first two matches India led with 1-0 & when it comes to third results were 1-1 draw & the last two matches made the difference. This team played extremely better than the 2011 team considering first two matches. Indian fast bowlers were outstanding despite many injuries. The issue is with batting. Specially Kohli & Pujara's surprising failure must be fixed ASAP. I expected a lot more from them. It seems England made strong comeback & outplayed India. But ODI's could give the complete opposite results as I expect. India is a very good ODI side referred to 2013 CT at Eng. Wish u all the best India.

  • aneeshm11 on August 21, 2014, 14:00 GMT

    Somebody please comment

    What about Dhoni playing himself as a specialist batsman at no 4 spot and standing in a fielding postion much closer to the bowler and giving instructions. He is approaching 34 and how he long he can handle this burden tripple role anymore. By batting at 4 he can strenghthen the middle order and can play the anchor in role as he is the much better experienced guy in either side. By doing so u can have Sanju Samson the next good thing in Indian cricket at no 6 as he is proved finisher and a fresh enthusiastic one behind wickets.

  • on August 21, 2014, 13:47 GMT

    This should be a perfect playing XI: Viewers what's your opinionaoout this....

    Rohit Sharma, Sanju Samson, Virat Kohli, Ajnikya Rahane, Suresh Raina, MS Dhoni, Ravindra Jadeja, Karan Sharma, Bhubaneswar Kumar, MD Shami, Umesh Yadav / Dhawal Kulkarni

  • CheerforUnderdogs on August 21, 2014, 12:44 GMT

    Lets play the best 11 players. ODI will be different ball game even if you dont bowl out opposition and dont leak runs at critical hour of play or dont loose to many early wickets, you would be in the striking distance of winning the game. Having said that England quicks will test India top order with 2 new balls which could test the skills till 25 overs. But somehow feel that India need to win first ODI else the shoulders can drop very early in the series.

  • on August 21, 2014, 12:20 GMT

    Good luck India, try to win atleast one ODI in England, after all you are ODI World Champions. Even if you win one ODI you have something to cheer about, because when you go to Australia, I dont know if you will win anything.

  • on August 21, 2014, 12:20 GMT

    Most of the players were caught in slip or behind the wicket for most games. India need to play fierless game. They were very defensive. You need to play like Sehwagh. He demoralized the bowlers intent and not let them settle with their lemgth and line. players need to play their natural game.

  • richardthebravearthur on August 21, 2014, 12:14 GMT

    Even before India departed for England, I had predicted that the Brits would thump us 5-0. I was wrong we only lost 3-1. This is a victory in itself.

  • on August 21, 2014, 11:57 GMT

    Limited over game is very different to tests. In tests you plan out every session and execute your plan. None of the indian batsmen had the temperament to stay at the increase. On top of that there is spectator expectation and huge media coverage on players which is larger than life. All the technical faults of all players were known but hidden largely thanks to indian tracks.in England and Australia it is very different. They expose every weakness of players. Changing coaching staff is avoiding or buffering criticism. With all the uncharacteristic shots such helicoptershot which are unheard of india team may offer a fight at best.

  • Samdanh on August 21, 2014, 11:51 GMT

    Ganguly brought India to a level when it was a force to reckon with in Test cricket, while Kapil was one who made India a force to reckon with in ODIs. MS Dhoni made India a force to reckon with in T20 and ODI. IMO, while MS Dhoni is captain, Ganguly should be given a major official responsibility over team for Tests and Kapil for ODIs. All 3 are players who have a track record of having played fearless and selfless cricket

  • on August 21, 2014, 11:48 GMT

    Is Shastri's one eyed "firebrand" approach really what India want now? It might be (for a short time). He isn't one to weigh up both sides of an argument before putting both feet in until he's well over his head though is he? At least that makes him different from Fletcher.

    A strange choice, seems more like a crutch for Dhoni than a replacement for Fletcher.

  • Samdanh on August 21, 2014, 11:44 GMT

    @Mervo: We, India fans, are patriotic passionate India fans first, true cricket fans next :(

  • on August 21, 2014, 11:42 GMT

    India is not confidant in overseas they only successful in Asian soil.They cant play in Australia and England condition.But Sri Lanka is successful every condition in the world.I think Sri Lanka is the best Team.

  • cric_fanIndia on August 21, 2014, 11:40 GMT

    Mervo - Yes, shane warne was an exception. Similarly great fast bowlers like pigeon, steyn were always successful in India. So my point is against the idea of having full swing and green pitches in India for the test matches as suggested by some bloggers.

  • on August 21, 2014, 11:40 GMT

    selection blunders all the way through. what greg chappel did was that he created a fast bowling pool which is must for any international team (and not medium pacers who bowl in 120kmph region). there is a need for a wrist spinner rather than finger spinners. dhoni and fletcher are very defensive in that regard especially in case on varoon aron, umesh yadav, amit misha. both go for bits and pieces cricketers rather than specialists. most important thing is india always play with 5 bowlers come what may especially in australia, south africa and england ( 4 fast bowlers and a spinner) pepple like bhuwanesh kumar, irfan pathan can be 4th fast bowling option but they cannot be in the top 3 as they do not have the pace to push batsman back

  • on August 21, 2014, 11:27 GMT

    Duncan Fletcher's coaching advice on how to play the moving ball caused India's debacle in Tests. Fletcher has helped England more than he has India. You have to watch him during ODI series.

  • bronko on August 21, 2014, 11:23 GMT

    I dont think the batting is the problem ,its the bowlers that are a problem they used slow medium paced bowlers in the first couple of test which allowed England of the hook thus putting to much pressure on the batters , but by chosing the right bolwers and perhaps taking a risk even just to give much needed experience playing abroad India failed to even take the right bowlers to England ,everyone knows England dont like facing fast bowling pithed up so why leave Yadav and Bumrah in OZ

  • Samdanh on August 21, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    Unless Shastri has changed his stance of the past, here is what you can expect: 1. More dustbowls that can aid spin from ball one (not just day one); 2. Continue to whinge about decisions that went against India (while ignoring those that went against opposition) based on replays that stem ironically from technology which he, BCCI, many of us Indians do not trust in (height of hypocrisy); and 3. More pain when playing overseas. I expect Fletcher would be coaxed to stay on (behind the screens/public view) until tour of Australia is over, possibly with higher pay, so if there is a similar debacle, pain and blame can be shared

  • ofcourse on August 21, 2014, 11:12 GMT

    People like Shastri and Gavaskar failed miserably when they were given Indian captaincy in their days. Of course, they are great when it comes to criticizing from behind the microphones that too within the confines drawn by BCCI. They being chosen for crucial positions is a big mistake. India will anyway do better in ODIs than in tests. In fact, India now needs to decide if they really want to compete in tests at all, which is not money making and will eventually die. If they feel, they really need Test matches, it can't be achieved by just changing coaches (they have anyway decided to retain the same captain till he decides to retire himself). They need to incentivize test quality cricket - you can't face anderson and johnson with a bunch of t20 players.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on August 21, 2014, 11:07 GMT

    Just one or two faster, pacier pitches in India will sort Team India out. The BCCI has the money required for the extra maintenance. With the resources they have, there is no reason why India cannot be No.1 in all formats. Their administrators and political selections are holding them back.

  • Prateek65900 on August 21, 2014, 11:06 GMT

    Firstly,much as I want this Indian team to do well in the One Dayers.I hope they do as badly as they have done in the Tests. If they do well in the One Day matches, everything will be simply swept beneath the carpet. Secndly, I am not sure how much impact will making Coaching and Director level changes in improving test performances. The problem is not so much related to players but related to our domestic structure. The pitches do not promote Fast Bowlers, (which is partly to be blamed for the lack of fast bowling talent). The batsmen never get to face gud fast bowling under bowling friendly conditions in domestic cricket. Then we expect them to go overeseas and have 2 warm up matches and be in line with the conditions. It doesnt happen that way..you cant change years of habit of playing in batting friendly conditins in a fortnight and be ready for world class bowling. Until BCCI doesnt look into improving the domestic level, I am afraid India's overseas performance will remain same.

  • Mervo on August 21, 2014, 10:38 GMT

    cric_fanIndia - I think that all teams prefer their home conditions. Speaking of the Australian conditions, there are quite a few pitches that show equal favour for both pace and spin bowling. Brisbane that well known pace bowlers 'paradise', was the happiest of hunting grounds for Shane Warne and Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne also show the spin bowlers great opportunities as history shows. Can this balance be said of many wickets in India? This needs to change if they are to be the force they can be on the world stage in Test cricket, the pinnacle of the game.

  • on August 21, 2014, 10:33 GMT

    Use our own Indian resources . We have Sachin, Sourav, VVS & Dravid . This team needs a strict but friendly coach like Kirsten, which means Sourav will be apt for the team. Also try to get Jonty/Collingwood/Ponting for fielding & Donald/Ambrose/Wasim for bowling departments respectively. BCCI has money, why not spend it on right guys.

  • on August 21, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    Is it really a must that we prepare quick wickets? The strength of India has been good quality spinners. So.why not prepare pitches that can develop good spinners? If England win with their pace n swing. bowlers, India wins by producing good quality spinners. And do we have any now??? And now, we saw our batters struggle against a modest English spinner. So our so called fortress has also weakened, n we probably need to tighten that first rather than try to conquer other avenues.

  • Aroundthelegsgoogly on August 21, 2014, 10:03 GMT

    Shastri is the wrong man. Ganguly is the right man.

  • Seamer_Singh on August 21, 2014, 9:47 GMT

    The IPL shouldn't be an excuse for failure, the shorter format is here to stay and the Players/Boards need to evolve. With the financial might of the BCCI, surely they can recreate a variety of pitches in India? Especially in the north, where the conditions are similar to England during the winter months... Dharamsala, Punjab?

  • on August 21, 2014, 9:23 GMT

    @Greatest_Game. What was Paul Harris doing in the SA team for 37 tests then!!!? averaging 37.87. Even on spinner friendly tracks in India during the 2008 series he took 3, 1 and 4 wickets in 2008 ( in Chennai, Ahmedabad and Kanpur)and 4 and 1 wickets in 2010 (Nagpur and Kolkatta) after bowling a zillion overs. Jadeja is much better than that. On friendly tracks at home he has run through sides.

  • on August 21, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    Our major problem is the inability to cope with swing, in seaming conditions, that too facing balls at around 140 km/hr. Bounce is not an issue; swing at high pace is! Yes, sheer pace is an issue, when it is aimed at the upper torso! From crotch to neck! Otherwise, pace is not.

    Even the bowlers are unsure about the right line and length in heavily swinging conditions.

    I had been crying out loud for a very long time, for our top cricketers going through the English county experience. I strongly feel, such an experience on a variety of pitches in England would make them better cricketers, who can perform far better all around the world. Particularly so in England & NZ, the two countries where they often failed.

    Would Shastri, push for that? I doubt! English county season overlaps with IPL. And, Shastri is one of the big pillars of IPL. Would that conflict of interest allow him to push for county stints? I really don't think so!

  • ramli on August 21, 2014, 8:12 GMT

    How will youngsters learn from their mistakes if everybody just points out the mistakes but none offer correct guidance? That is where self-made men like MSD score over others ... they fight like hell to survive, not hesitant to take flak for their approach ... giving break to non-performing players is not only a punishment but a chance time for them to calmly assess themselves, seek wise counsel and devise counter plans for success ... let us give a break to some players to bounce back instead of constantly pressurizing them

  • on August 21, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    It's quite clear from india that in one day series they will hammer england by 4-1 kohli will score 2 century and make his one day career stronger . Dhoni come and finish the match effortlessly. . england will have tough time in one day unless wickets help them again like swinging tracks. it's always believed that true test of cricketer is by playing a test match and surviving unless flat track bully like indian wickets every match every Tom dick Harry come and score fastest century . best example india vs Australia series. ordinary domestic player like James Faulkner no 8 come and smash century . lol. I strongly believe Australian wickets are the best wickets for one day international because it's equal chance for the batsman and bowlers . we can't see every match 300 plus scores. so expecting awesome world cup in 2015. india is lucky to play odi tri series just before the world cup. unfortunate thing is if any key batsman like kohli gets a knock or get injured then gone for toss

  • on August 21, 2014, 8:00 GMT

    SELF DISCIPLINE -- ACCOUNTABILITY -- PASSION TO PERFORM A Team not having the above - wanders around the ground without a purpose - hiding behind " low experience" tags. Request to Mr Shastri - please try to inculcate a little of each in the minds of our cricketers & then maybe we will have something to smile about !!!

  • Sexysteven on August 21, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    It's all well and good to bring Ravi in but team selection should be right first then get the right captain to lead the ship before you worry about the technical stuff kohli has to be captain in order for India to move forward dhonis had his day time for a younger aggressive captain to put his mark on the Indian team

  • on August 21, 2014, 6:59 GMT

    its not about the 3/1 loss its about the way they caved in just nothing more than a meek abject surrender .they were totally out of sorts ..their actions on the field showed as they had given it before it started .ill not believe that they will be better in their next visit unless and untill someone gets had on them and tell them that test cricket is about patience and perciverence and about abiding time o get in and then go on

  • sachinanddravid on August 21, 2014, 6:59 GMT

    comeon BCCI... It is enough to have Foreign coaches...India got a lot of talented coaches..... my opinion is ...dont just go for temperory staff for our team... appoint Ganguly as our Head coach......He is the right person for that job...and keep Rahul also there with the team...May be all can say Ganguly was a best captain because of Sachin,Rahul,laxman,Kumble...but still he is brilliant captain.. He is the one who found Shewag,Harbajan,Yuvi, Zak, Irfan and bring them into team...Ms is just suppoting the guys like jaddu,ashwin,vijay,rohi,dhawan.....so get DADA as coach.. and see the way how he ll reform Indian team... and He is the one who can take Indian team to No 1 again in test cricket,,,,,,

  • Greatest_Game on August 21, 2014, 6:51 GMT

    SA has been struggling for years to find a quality test spinner. For all their troubles, one thing is for sure: they would NEVER have picked Jadega.

  • on August 21, 2014, 6:16 GMT

    3 Formats - Test, ODI & T20 - Specialist required for each format, its hard to win each format with same playing XI, So why same playing XI for each format?

    Selection Criteria - Class, Form, Temperament, Technique - A player should have passed 3 criteria to be in a playing XI. So why players selected on just reputation instead of its abilities. If IPL is selection parameter then none of the playing X1 was in FORM except few like Bhuwi in IPL. Still you've selected them for TEST they've failed miserably, Again most of them would be playing in ODI - Why we keep on carrying players who're not in form until they return in form.

    Why these playing XI deserve to be in all format ? Why we can't provide opportunities to more players playing 3 different formats?

  • anver777 on August 21, 2014, 5:22 GMT

    Can Shastri do some thing different in coming ODI series... IND need to forget the test series fast & now they must come back fresh for ODIs... As a neutral fan I wish the series will be closely contested one !!!!

  • Ginnwill on August 21, 2014, 5:19 GMT

    We would miss Shastri as a commentator. Though we know he can execute and manage things pretty well as a president, we would love him as a commentator. Look forward for his strategies for the upcoming ODI's. Wish he would return back soon to commentary box.

  • on August 21, 2014, 4:44 GMT

    Shastri's inclusion is good....but the other 2 guys are again from IPL, I fear that they might come with IPL baggage as most of our players. We must bring in someone 'Shrewd' yet talented like Ganguly as a batting coach. Jadeja or Azhar can be fielding coach, they were the best ever Indian fielders. And two separate bowling coaches, for spin and fast bowling. Playing and bowling spin was our strength, but now our players find it difficult to play even part time spinners. Australia hired 'Murali' for spin bowling, we can hire 'Shane Warn' and 'McGrath' for our spin and fast bowling.

    BCCI need to address these issues now, as we cannot afford to loose by such big margins. Winning and loosing is part of the game, but not putting up any resistance, and shamelessly surrendering speaks volumes and hints at bigger problems. And Dhoni was happy to get 2 more days off....Shastri will 'oversee everything', pl. add to your list the Indian player's night club activities that's draining them out.

  • Mervo on August 21, 2014, 4:42 GMT

    Test cricket is the pinnacle of our game. It is the only form of cricket that goes in the record book for posterity and the mark by which players and spectators judge the status and long term standing. A test average of more than 50 runs or less than 30 runs per wicket are the benchmarks. These will not improve for India until there are different conditions there to learn, train and play. More varied conditions. India is the most populous nation playing cricket today and one of the most passionate and they will respond to this challenge and not just rely on excuses based on 'home' conditions, 'out of form', poor selections, etc. These guys get astronomical salaries and need to earn it in the cauldron of "test" cricket.

  • on August 21, 2014, 4:42 GMT

    Sad that we will be missing Shastri the outspoken, forthright, commentator.

  • cric_fanIndia on August 21, 2014, 4:33 GMT

    Every team plays to its home advantage. Why should we change pitch to suit fast bowling or swing. May be at domestic level we can have pitches that assist swing and fast bowling to help players do well in foreign conditions. Not seen Australia or England change pitch to suit spin. May be that test cricket is defined more in terms of swing and fast bowling. anyhow my 2 cents...

  • DipanjanMitra on August 21, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    Sounds like some magic is about to happen going by the very last line of the article.

  • dunger.bob on August 21, 2014, 3:32 GMT

    I have very vague memories of Ravi from his playing days. He was a bit of a hero of mine back then because he was a dashing opener who could bowl pretty well. It didn't seem to matter to me that he was from a rival country. Anyway, I have no idea what he's like as an administrator but if he can bring some of that no-nonsense flair he had to this post India might gain something out of it.

    @Cpt.Meanster: Test cricket is horrible when India is involved, I'll grant you that much. Otherwise, it has it's charms.

  • on August 21, 2014, 3:31 GMT

    @ YorkshirePudding

    That would be losing face and we can't be having any of that on the sub continent ;)

  • _-Will-_ on August 21, 2014, 2:52 GMT

    Ravi Shastri wrote, "Sit back and watch if these glam boys are ready for penance. If they are ready to plunge their bare hands into the coal of fire and start from scratch." My pick for quote of the year.

    I've never heard those expressions before but I feel the outrage behind them. When I first read I assumed he meant the entire team, barring exceptions such as Kumar, Ashwin & Aaron, who appeared to be giving it an honest crack, albeit towards a lost cause and without any meaningful support from their captain or team mates.

    Alas his tone has softened.

    I can understand the importance of balancing the need to give this team and captain the thorough dressing down they deserve, with the need to lift their morale a very short space of time.

    But the ignominy must not be forgotten. The response, even if it is postponed, must not be diluted due to any ODI success, should that even materialise. Else Gavaskar's predictions will come true & the same rigmarole will ensue post Aus. 2014/15.

  • on August 21, 2014, 2:24 GMT

    Its true that foreign conditions have never be every easy to cope up with for Indian Team. But this goes to every team . Yes, this performance was spineless as they never attempted to fight back. They turned from bad to worse.I dont think blaming an effective coach like Fletcher can do any good to the team. He was the same coach who brought the English team up from tatters. It is the players who are causing all the misery. I personally believe that the attitude of our players towards the game and the opponents is pathetic.We have to have players who respect the game and have the right approach towoards it. why dont we penalise these culprits and bring in fresh new talent. A disastrous 2003 WC ended the careers of some great players of Pakistan team. Waugh brothers and Micheal bevan had their ODI careers ended for failing in just one series.Graeme Smith was made the captain when he was only 10 matches old. He took time but went on to become SA's greatest ever captain.

  • Al_Bundy1 on August 21, 2014, 1:36 GMT

    Simply changing the manager won't fix anything. We have to get rid of non-performers, starting with Kohli and Pujara. Send them back to Ranji Trophy and play India A team players who did so well in Australia - players like Ojha, Jhadav, Samson, Rishi Dhawan, Rasool, Akshar Patel, etc. If you keep playing the same cricketers, you will get the same result. It's not rocket science.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 21, 2014, 0:39 GMT

    Test cricket this, test cricket that. If I were the BCCI president, I would gladly cancel every major test schedule of the Indian team and replace it with limited overs cricket. Don't hate on me for saying the obvious. Sometimes the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow. The fact is the Indian players possess skills that puts them at the best of their abilities in limited over cricket, namely ODIs and T20s. It's an atrocity of the highest degree to force upon them the blasphemy that is test match cricket. You cannot have all your eggs in the same basket dear friends. Sooner or later, the Indian public must come to terms with this. India can never be a good overseas test team. So I suggest we turn out attention towards building a strong team for the world cup down under. Sure, we have a 4 test series coming up against the Aussies. The result will probably be the same. Nothing is going to change in 5 months. Limited overs cricket is India's future. Period.

  • AvidCricFan on August 21, 2014, 0:33 GMT

    Do Shastri have a magic wand to correct years of neglect in grooming right skills? The past greats had stunts in county cricket where they honed their skills in overcoming difficult English conditions. Even Gavaskar had played a season or two in English county. This generation of cricketers have no motivation to do such. They get enough from IPL and the BCCI scheduling does not leave any room to play county cricket. Only when the player is completely discarded, he will get time to play English county if there are any takers for them.

  • Nampally on August 21, 2014, 0:30 GMT

    @rk-Ks: Yes I was the one who had suggested in absence of good openers, it is worth trying Ashwin or Ojha in that role for the 5th Test at the Oval. FYI Ashwin was once a regular opening bat & still gets beind the ball better than Gambhir or Dhawan & with a straight bat. .But what is the point in suggesting when it falls on the deaf Ears of Dhoni? I had also mentioned to drop Gambhir at all costs from openers role because he would get caught behind or in the slips. Dhoni still went with Gambhir & sure enough he was out caught behind off the first ball of the Test match! If you read my comments, I was the first one to criticize the Squad of 18 right after selection because it had no good openers + for excluding U.Yadev.

  • Greatest_Game on August 21, 2014, 0:16 GMT

    @ David Douglas Hill asks about Dravid "what value did he actually add to Pujara and Kholi, as batting consultant in the series?"

    Dravid is too intellectual & polite to beat these flat track wonders into shape in a week or two. They need a season of hard graft, learning & implementing solid technique & developing focus & application. I'm impressed that Pujara has opted to play the rest of the County Championship season. If he gets any games he can, even club, it would be a learning process.

    Virat should skip the ODIs: its a gamble if he will make runs in his form. I doubt his ego or the BCCI would allow it, but it would be smart. He is not playing Champions League - RCB failed under his leadership - so he has time, & if he wants to succeed in tests in Aus he needs to ignore short formats & do remedial work, now. He should choose ODIs now, or tests in Aus, instead of failing in both! There are other players to take his place, in either format.

    Be careful, Virat. Ravi will get you!

  • landl47 on August 20, 2014, 23:58 GMT

    Despite the Dhoni spin, now adopted by Shastri, in the last test India fielded 7 players with 20 or more tests. England fielded 5. India had 5 players aged 25 or less, England had 6. The 'inexperienced' Indian team was beaten by an even more inexperienced England side.

    Excuses will not make India better. The problem was lack of technique, not lack of experience.

  • EdwinD on August 20, 2014, 22:14 GMT

    Of course Shastri would never blame the IPL for contributing to poor technique, the 'shot-a-ball' mentality, and the cheap price put on a wicket. Is it just coincidence that the only English player who has been an IPL regular (Pieterson) also displayed the same attributes in his last year as a Test player?

  • hhillbumper on August 20, 2014, 22:01 GMT

    go back home and all is good.Keep playing one day and t20 and let the adults play the proper game. Lets fact it we beat you at home and we beat you away. Just goes to show you the paucity of true skill it takes to play the hit and giggle stuff. bye India. Please don't back too soon as it is embarrassing to watch you play. It is like playing Zimbabwe.Good to inflate the averages of the batting and shade some points off the bowling

  • jo_n on August 20, 2014, 21:48 GMT

    India should Concentrate on winning 2015WC, as winning on overseas conditions will be very special.

    My Squad for 2015WC: Sehwag, Dhawan, Kholi, Rahane, Raina, Dhoni(WK/Cap), Ashwin, Bhuvaneshwar, Shami, Mohit, and Ishant.

    Sub: Rohit, Sanju samson(wk), Yuvraj, Jadeja, praveen, Irfan, Umesh.

  • jo_n on August 20, 2014, 21:40 GMT

    Give chance for sehwag and yuvraj in 50 overs and t20 formats. I like to see them playing WC 2015 in AUS/NZ at their best.

  • rk_ks on August 20, 2014, 21:11 GMT

    @switchmitch: Select you by dropping all of these players. Tendulkar ,Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman also failed miserably sometimes before the last England series. When didn't your drop those legends when they failed.

  • johnmcdonald on August 20, 2014, 20:12 GMT

    "he had a two-hour chat with both MS Dhoni and Fletcher to chalk out plans for the five-match ODI series "... that's all Shastri could do? Seriously, 2 hrs of planning only?

  • on August 20, 2014, 20:11 GMT

    Agree with @ Greatest_Game, Ravi talks BIG on the verdict with Bob Willis and co, lets see what he will be able to do, its going to be interesting, and will he also prevail in the verdict too? :-)

    I like Ravi, but he tends to be funny, puts on façade, unlike Dravid, and on him, what value did he actually add to Pujara and Kholi, as batting consultant in the series?

    Has Dravid been dispersed too?

  • switchmitch on August 20, 2014, 19:24 GMT

    Drop Dhawan, Gambhir, Dhoni, Ashwin, Jadeja and Binny. Bring in new faces as like for like replacements. Dhawan is a flat track player and Gambhir is past his prime. Dhoni has no business playing test cricket. Yes, he managed to score some runs but he failed miserably in his core competencies - Captaincy and Keeping. Ashwin has regressed and looks like an example of KP's "Pie chucker". Jadeja is a wonder kid because he managed to survive in the test team for so long, with absolutely no skills whatsoever. No other self respecting cricket team in the world will include his likes in the intl squad. Binny is a few years too late and a few skills too less for test cricket

  • VivsGupta on August 20, 2014, 19:22 GMT

    The only solution is to kick the new breed out of the IPLs and bake them hard in English county season. Groom them on fast pitches and ban them from IPL and national team till they get up to a level to represent Indian team.

  • on August 20, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    Worst Joke on TeamIndia fans..BCCI wont be happy till Eng give India a 5 nil drubbing in ODI's.....forget Gayle storm..the HAYLE TSUNAMI is fast approaching...Indian bowlers wont know what has hit them

  • tests_the_best on August 20, 2014, 18:50 GMT

    @Posted by on (August 20, 2014, 18:28 GMT): "@kkirank6119. Your idea of putting Minnows and Asian teams in the same bracket makes no sense. Why should winning in Pakistan be the same as winning against Bangladesh?" I was thinking of the same thing but I actually looked at the 2-1 series win in Pak in 2003-04 and actually the captain was Dravid for the first 2 tests, Ganguly apparently missed the first couple of matches.

    But the other point raised is more important and quite valid that atleast Ganguly didn't lose badly inside 3 days this consistently. Even if India had lost the current series in Eng 1-2 and put up some kind of fight in the losses, that would have been fine. But to lose in such an abject manner is simply unacceptable.

  • Greatest_Game on August 20, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    I wonder d Ravi will "oversee everything" by bellowing like he does when commentating? Can you imagine team meetings with Ravi speaking in his commentators voice? "Virat - you MUST go for the maximuuuuuum …." Does he drop someone by saying "He's gone. Oh yes, he is gone. He is out of there?"

    Could be funny moments there!

  • tests_the_best on August 20, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    Looking back on India's much better overseas record in the 2000 decade, one fact that is often overlooked is the importance of spin for India abroad as well. Kumble and Bhajji quite often contributed with vital wickets and even 5 wicket hauls more in India's overseas wins. If one looks at the current Indian team, the pace dept is actually fine. Batting failures were quite obvious and mentioned by all. But few seem to realize that Ashwin/Jadeja not replicating Kumble/Bhajji's performance is one of the top concerns for the team. One only has to look at Moeen Ali's performance in the last few tests to realize the importance of spin even on seaming/fast pitches.

  • glen1 on August 20, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    @Archiecook, @kkirank6119: if the series had ended in two tests, India would have looked superlative and Cook would be dusted. The team has failed the endurance run, and that's ok. However, the spineless loss is what has gutted the establishment. Dhoni alone is responsible for this; his mind is tuned to shorter formats: if you can't win, then the nature of loss doesn't matter to him. He and his team selection needs to be reined in.

  • Strikeforce2007 on August 20, 2014, 18:42 GMT

    Shastri suddenly as the overseer, the " eye in the sky?"..!! The MSD team are now back to the drawing board, being tutored as if they were back in school !! Will take some swallowing to digest this! it's not that they were playing cricket in Englabd as if they had pitched wickets on the moon, batting as if the gravity wers 6 notches lower than on our cricketing planet earth. Bellies filled on years of T20 & ODI's, with riches, fame, endorsements and all earned in a short span of time, where could this team representing a proud cricketing nation, rather, any such team in their scarlet diamond studded boots, have the 'hunger' for Test cricket! Duncan after 5 tests, asked to tske a vacation, an overseer asked to come in for limited over cricket is rather late reaction! and After the bird has flown off the cage? This team has failed the major test of overseas Test cricket , in such an ignamonious and ridiculous manner. The Board then appoints a overseer for our limited overs cricket?!

  • Greatest_Game on August 20, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    @ YoBro on commented "Forget moving/seaming ball, Indian batsmen can't play spin also it seems, judging by the number of times our top and middle order batsmen got out to Moeen in this series.'

    YoBro, I did not want to rub too much salt into the wound, but you make a valid point. It is illustrating that "can't play spin" South Africa won a series in Sri Lanka, in the 2nd test resolutely defending over 4 sessions to eke out a draw against Sri Lanka's extremely high class spin bowling, whereas the Indian "masters of spin" folded like a limp rag against a new, part time spinner, in England!

    The difference was approach & attitude. Apart from Dhoni, there are no leaders in the Indian team. Kholi will never be a good leader. India might do better fielding seasoned Ranji players, who know how to dig in for the long haul, rather than IPL stars who roll over after 20 overs.

  • on August 20, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    @kkirank6119. Your idea of putting Minnows and Asian teams in the same bracket makes no sense. Why should winning in Pakistan be the same as winning against Bangladesh? Also, when Ganguly started out, his team had to emerge from match fixing scandals of the previous captain, something Dhoni did not have to do. Ganguly had to build his team too... remember Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Sehwag, and Dhoni himself were Ganguly initiatives? I would hate to compare captains, as they are only as good as the weakest link in their team. However, Dhoni seems to be able to do little to motivate his team to do their best, a plague that had crept in Ganguly's captaincy at its twilight years. Nonetheless, Ganguly did not lose back-to-back test-matches in 3 days.

  • Archiecook on August 20, 2014, 18:22 GMT

    Wonder what mr Shastri could do. Indan team was overrated and overrated by a huge margin. They failed in all departments where the lankans scored heavily a couple of months ago. Don't forget it is the same England team bounced back to win comprehensively against India after their defeat to Sri lankans. Sri Lankans out played England in all departments not that England played bad. This shows how well the Sri lankans played compared to overrated Indian team. We all witnessed how bad the whole Indian players are. I think it's time hat the Indians realise that they are not who they think they are. Virat Kholy was made to be a super hero by the Indians where Sangakkara, Amla, Cook were the actual heroes in playing this wonderful game. Wonder what BCCI would do next after their blunder of forming BIG THREE. Hats off England. I can't see India is winning a single ODI in this series.

  • on August 20, 2014, 18:20 GMT

    In ODI's, I guess Raina is going to add that spine to spineless batting lineup

  • on August 20, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    @swami999- Yes there is shine after bad days, but I don't want that shine to be beating WI at home or winning bilateral ODIs against ordinary teams. And all the victories you've mentioned have been ODIs. A Test whitewash by India against an Australia or England in their home conditions is equal to two ODI World Cups. Though India has won a few overseas Test matches before, we haven't won entire series too many times overseas. I can only think of Ganguly and Dravid teams winning a couple of overseas Test tours. That's about it. A SA or Aus have won more overseas tours in the past 3 years alone, than India have in three decades. India is an ordinary team till they learn to win entire series overseas. We could have won in SA, in NZ and in Eng. All three series, after showing great promise, our team has floundered. This has to change. Unless we are good at Tests, we are cannot call ourselves good. All the money and talent pool available would seem meaningless if we can't win Test overseas

  • on August 20, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    I hope India learns to approach Test, ODI and T20 differently. Please develop specialists and don't grind your players into ground.

  • ofcourse on August 20, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    What I really can't understand is how all the blame is suddenly only on coaching staff and nothing really on the captain... MS should probably be the only captain of any sports team in the world to keep his job despite so many losses and being so obviously unfit for the job!!

  • on August 20, 2014, 17:50 GMT

    to me india lost when they failed to put their best eleven on the park. with due respect india should have stuck to the tested seven batsman and four bowler strategy with ashwin the lone spiiner. but no point brooding over past. but players like rohit, varun would have gained good experience playing in English conditions. its not over yet.

  • on August 20, 2014, 17:46 GMT

    I hope one day matches will be different. India definitely start winning the matches and series. Dhoni probably play well against english bowlers. india will win.

  • kkirank6119 on August 20, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    Ganguly is rated as good captain abroad. But see stats: He captained for 28 tests. Minows+Asians = 11(40%) others like ENG,AUS,SA,NZ,WI = 17(60%) He won 3 out of 17 (17.6%) v/s others. Dhoni had captained exactly 28 tests abroad so good time to compare. Minows+Asians = 4(15%) others=24(85%) which is too high. He won 4 out of 24(16%) which is not too less from ganguly (17.6%) as projected by media. Moreover Ganguly had experienced and established team as against Dhoni with fading heros initially and newcomers now. Ganguly won 8 out of 11 v/s minnows and impressed all which Dhoni was not previlaged to play against ! Dhoni's performance is comparable

  • shibu85 on August 20, 2014, 17:40 GMT

    after seeing the test...a whitewash in odi will not amuse me....the problem with indian side in england is lack of fight.....only a miracle will save team india....anderson,finn,and moeen ali will tear india apart...

  • YoBro on August 20, 2014, 17:38 GMT

    @Greatest_Game: Forget moving/seaming ball, Indian batsmen can't play spin also it seems, judging by the number of times our top and middle order batsmen got out to Moeen in this series.

  • swami999 on August 20, 2014, 17:30 GMT

    Now forgot all losses.It can happend with all team e.g. AUS in ENG & ENG in AUS.Be positive for future.After bad days there is always a shine to come.Board has already taken the corrective steps which is more eye catching at this time.

    GUYS... remember those VICTORIES 1)Australia -CB Series 2) England -Netwest series 3)England -Champions Trophy. Now we need to move ahead from this loss.It is good that we are NOW in this kind of situation.IMAGINE if we won here & failed in Australia.What will be the effect ? It will be too late at that time.What ever happened is always a good for future.....Go INDIA,Respect & Enjoy this GREAT GAME.

  • Dyummna on August 20, 2014, 17:15 GMT

    I think if the great Indian batsmen can speak to Kumara Sangakara the current master.. The things might be change for ODI'S.

  • Dillugadu on August 20, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    ODI's will be different from Tests. They use White ball instead of Red ball. White one swings a lot less than Red one and that swing also doesn't last for long. Good opportunity for Shikar, Rohit, Virat to come back to form and then lead to Australia. I think guys who play in both the formats must skip ODI series against WI at home and play only the test matches so that they can be in test match mode before going to Australia later.It will also help the selectors to test the bench strength for ODI's. From this series we know one thing that our top order batsmen can handle pace and bounce as seen from New Zealand and South Africa series but could not handle the swinging ball that well. The coaching and supporting staff must take into account of this and create opportunities for the young batsmen to face these conditions either by arranging India A team tours or by allowing them to play county cricket. Or else History repeats itself on coming tours...

  • Happy_hamster on August 20, 2014, 17:08 GMT

    How Fletcher has kept his post despite continued drubbings overseas is strange, surely the problem with inability to compete overseas is largely due to the pitches in India because if Jadega can score multiple triple centuries...... . Likewise England need pitches that offer more for spinners to promote the development of spin bowlers and proficiency in batting in such an environment. I am not sure if counties will offer places for Indian batsmen other than for increasing attendances in areas with high concentrations of people with Indian heritage eg. Leicester.

  • Coolcapricorn on August 20, 2014, 17:00 GMT

    I like the fact that Ravi Shastri seems totally blunt & honest about India's woeful performance in the last three Tests. He is not glossing how badly we played & so it great that somebody who can speak his mind like him has been brought in before the start of the ODI series. A change like this was really needed to be done in improving team morale - otherwise we probably would end up getting thrashed in the ODI's too.

  • glen1 on August 20, 2014, 16:50 GMT

    Hope the team selection is decided by Shastri, Dhoni and probably Ashwin. India can bounce back only if Dhoni is reined in. His mind has become more accustomed to T20 than ODI, and India has a long list of ODI failures under him in England, SA, NZ and Aus. Kohli and others need to be put on notice about being dropped if they don't deliver.

  • on August 20, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    Overseeing does what? Having everyone report to him does what other than take away time preparing a report?

    This is institutionalized bureaucracy which will do nothing to change winning.

    Want to win? Prepare more bowling pitches. Bowling pitches of both kinds: suitable to spinners and suitable to pacers.

    The batsmen will be better prepared under tougher conditions, and bowlers will learn how to use friendlier tracks.

    Yup, this means that the run festivals which draws in the crowds will end, but it'll make India teams be far more suited to winning.

    Plus the ridiculous notion that one person in an administrative capacity would be able change their fortunes bears attention. It is ridiculous.

    Shastri is an astute professional, he'd did two things for Indian cricket in his current capacity:

    1. Jack 2. Squat

    But let him collect a paycheck and help BCCI toss out Fletcher because the players are not performing.

  • rk_ks on August 20, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    @Nampally: Aren't you the one who supported Technicall excellence of Ashwin and Rahane and asked them to open the innings. What happened now. You seem to change your mind match after match. Batsmen failed in Old Trafford fine. At that time it's just one bad test. Now they failed in two test continuously. Then it's the time to react.

  • Greatest_Game on August 20, 2014, 16:29 GMT

    @ bigbug3804 believes "BCCI should use their money and clout to ensure a consistent program at the grass root level to train young cricketers overseas on these types of wickets."

    The place for the "grass roots" in IN THE CRICKET PITCH! India must plant GRASS on their pitches to ensure the ROOTS hold them together!

    If India wants to compete with the world, play on cricket pitches like the rest of the world. England, South Africa & Australia come to Indi and win on flat tracks, dust bowls & minefields. Their batsmen can adapt because they have learned to play the most difficult bowling of all, the moving, seaming ball.

    A proper pitch has seam & movement day 1 & 2, then wears & takes spin days 4 & 5. Non-asian batsmen can play spin - they play it on their pitches. As we have seen, Indian batsmen are clueless playing the moving, seaming ball.

    ODI pitches are one dimensional. Thats why India can compete, except on moving, seaming pitches. That's why they SA crushed them at home in 2013

  • on August 20, 2014, 16:28 GMT

    Oh please. Indians were probably homesick. Staying out of country for a long period of time and face lethal and menacing deliveries from all three fast bowlers is never easy.

  • SevereCritic on August 20, 2014, 16:19 GMT

    Duncan Fletcher is a remarkable asset to have on your crew. He is an encyclopedia of cricketing wisdom. Unfortunately, he is also a quiet, reclusive personality who doesn't impose his will to his charges as a head coach should in most team games. What the Indian players need is someone to bash their heads together and tell them -- "Son, you may be an IPL superstar. But you know nothing about Test Cricket. So show up or get lost!" Shastri might just be the right kind of no-nonsense person to cram that into their brains.

  • FAB_ALI on August 20, 2014, 16:02 GMT

    Did everyone saw Kohli and Pujara play in the IPL. They were poor and out of form, didnt score many runs. And they have continued that in Tests in England, its a poor run of form. People blaming T20s must consider that when a player is in bad form, the format does not matter and that is what has happened. I bet if Kohli socres a century in T20 game and play a Test match after two days, he will do well there also, its just a matter of enjoying your game and feeling confident. ITS ALL IN THE MIND!!

  • bigbug3804 on August 20, 2014, 16:01 GMT

    You can not change your technique against a pacy seaming wicket overnight, and it will take a longer stunt in international cricket overseas to start performing consistently. Give a break to these young Indian boys--they are too young and too inexperienced with each having just a handful of experience overseas on seaming wickets.

    BCCI should use their money and clout to ensure a consistent program at the grass root level to train young cricketers overseas on these types of wickets.

  • TRAM on August 20, 2014, 15:56 GMT

    No one other than MVijay faced the brunt of swing and seam bowling. He succeeded to great extent in the 1st 2 tests. His strength was to identify which balls to play and which ones not to according to his strong/weak lines. The strong/weak lines/lengths would be different for different players. For example Kholi hooks well and he should not discontinue doing that. Similarly MVijay evades short balls very well and should continue to do so.

    No one can suddenly acquire batting skills but they CAN learn the skill of identifying the balls to be left alone. I hope Shastri and the players understand and work on "identifying & leaving" the balls correctly. Not easy, if the bowlers are good but thats what their jobs is.

  • screamingeagle on August 20, 2014, 15:54 GMT

    I was terribly disappointed with this series. I really thought they were shaping up well, but... Anyway, despite the feeling of being let down by this team of kids who were strutting as if they were already legends, I believe this would be a good series in retrospect.IF the players and BCCI are honest about how awful they were and how much they need to improve. That includes cricketing and using their heads and heart. Forget technique and stuff, the lack of having a functioning mind and the heart to fight was galling. Not sure how much Shastri can do or has the ability to do, but if they at least start acknowledging the issues and start working on it, that would be nice. I am not holding my breath though. Lastly, but not least, Well done to England. They did very very well.

  • Ganes.V on August 20, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    The problem is Indians are geting so used to playing limited and very limited overs (T20) matches that they dont know how to leave the ball! In test matches the batters in particular should show some patience and Indians should take examples from Robson Ballance Cook and particularly JOE ROOT who showed a lot of patience coming down the order! They were not worried leaving the balls outside offstump. Indians have this repeated behaviour of chasing balls outside off stump and ended up edging to the slips. IPL every year is good for the cricket lovers, BCCI, media etc but definitely not for our cricketers!

  • Temuzin on August 20, 2014, 15:40 GMT

    I hope Shastri will be able to do something. Dravid was there with the team as batting adviser and result is that, players playing well (in first 2 matches) went down the hill. Was it his advises that confused established players? No body is talking about that. A few stubborn fans will always find fault with MSD. We cant do anything about that but putting every blame on MS is very foolish. How can you drop your best batsman PUJARA who was being advocated by this fan to become captain. Can you replace Kohli and with whom? Poor Dhawan was dropped in favor of Gambhir and what did he do? He played worst than Dhawan. But these fans are oblivious to these facts and blame Dhoni religiously for everything.

  • on August 20, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    bring on dada

  • Karunk on August 20, 2014, 15:25 GMT

    Pankaj Advani's (snooker champion) statement after the loss "Obviously we just tend to get excited with one odd victory here and there and we make it historic and what not. We need to be a little calm and let the performance of the players do the talking. " opined Advani.

    Advani is also aware of the 'tigers at home and lamb's abroad' tag of the Indian cricket team and the cueist wants the well-wishers to get to the root of the problem rather than criticising the team time and again.

    But what people don't look at is how you bounce back when you have failed miserably. And it has not happened for the first time, it has happened way too often for our cricket team. So once a solution is in place then its ok, but unless a solution is found there will always be ups and downs. Today we'll lose outside and come back home and again we'll win a series at home. That does not solve the problem of playing outside the country," concluded Advani.

    Is Shastri going to find the solution??

  • on August 20, 2014, 14:47 GMT

    With all due respect to Shastri's professional experience playing in England I would day Virat and Pujara had a chance to redeem during the test series. They did not. Next time if they have to play in England or Australia they should play county cricket ahead or play in A team before being even considered for selection. Gambhirs case is different. He is done and dusted - RIP now.

  • Harlequin. on August 20, 2014, 14:46 GMT

    How to bounce back? Play the format in which they are world champions, and in which they won the last ICC trophy played in England. Hey presto, they are a good cricket team again. Good test team? No, but good cricket team? Yes.

  • Rajesh.Kumar on August 20, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    Shastri is absolutely right, Pujara and Kohli, were making the same mistakes, and getting out. Didn't they see their dismissals on TV and tried to do something different? Pujara got clean bowled on incoming deliveries, while Kohli was giving catching practice to England slip fielders opening the face of the bat while playing outgoing deliveries. Pujara made a half century in the first match and after that it was a downhill journey. Kohli's performance was more consistent, it was a downhill journey from the word go, and yet he got to play all five test matches. I have a nagging feeling that it will take a very long time, and a completely different set of players for India to be competitive in test matches played abroad.

  • Ajith1985 on August 20, 2014, 14:44 GMT

    Identify the problem with the current Indian Test team then only some one can fix it.The test squad was not so bad to lose the series in England..but it was meek surrendering in front of English bowlers.

  • on August 20, 2014, 14:42 GMT

    This is like pressing the panic button. There is no need for changes midway during a tour. India's record in shorter formats has been good. What Shastri needs to do is to work on the ability of the players to play sustained good cricket in test matches. He needs to work on their techniques on bouncy tracks and prepare them for the Australian tour.

  • Yarms on August 20, 2014, 14:35 GMT

    We talk about seaming wickets etc but we have forgotten how to play spin .. Of the 30 wickets that fell in the second innings of the last 3 tests 19 were to Mooen Ali a off spinner, there were 3 or 4 run outs Joe Root took 1 which leaves only 7 wickets to seamers . The point is we have forgotten how to play spin as we'll. the solution is that we need the boys to play Ranji Trophy to hone their skill that got them in the test side we also need them to play a couple of seasons in County cricket.

  • on August 20, 2014, 14:06 GMT

    Too many Chiefs amongst many Indians...

  • YorkshirePudding on August 20, 2014, 14:03 GMT

    @Nampally, surely the first step is to acknowledge there is a problem, then you can move on to fix whats wrong, in the press conference after Old Trafford and the Oval Dhoni refused to accept that there were any problems, After Old Trafford I can understand to some extent, but not after the Oval.

    Comparissons between the two teams after Lords, Cook said it was unacceptable, and set about making improvements, probably by asking Prior to stand aside (injured or not) and brining in Buttler. After Old Trafford, Dhoni made a joke out of it saying that his bowlers at least got an extra couple of days rest, they could have had that had they batted through to the close due to the remnants of the hurricane.

    there seems a reluctance for Indian players to be honest with their fans and say they played badly.

  • Nags44 on August 20, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    Shastri is the right Guy as he has good equation with Dhoni. He has able assistants. He can moderate Dhoni's stubborn independent thinking on team composition without any confrontation. As for his on field leadership / captaincy for ODI there are no questions.

    On vrkp's dsoubt;

    As his reputation is at stake he will not unduly favour Mumbai players if better players are available at least during the short period he will be overseeing the team.

  • Vilander on August 20, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    This is very good news for Rohit,Rahane,...and other players from Mumbai, Sashtri would know them better and would utilize them better, than players like Vijay,Ashwin. Hopefully it works for India.

  • Humdingers on August 20, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    Send an SOS to Gary Kirsten! Fletcher needs to go - full stop. Tom Moody, Stephen Flemming are two that come to mind as replacements. Mike Young for fielding. Also defn need someone for bowling (pace and spin) as well as batting - all three can be consultants if not full time.

  • yskpipsRUBESH on August 20, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Nothing gonna change, until India gives importance to select Ranji players in Test series and make sure only efficient people gets the prestigious India cap. Further slip fielding is one of the major component India must put great effort. Regarding ODIs and T20 cricket, India need only striking bowlers, not striking batsmen. Good luck Ravi.

  • on August 20, 2014, 13:26 GMT

    For all sub continent teams, until and unless they incorporate bowling friendly pitches in their domestic structure, they will find themselves as losers in Eng, Aus and SA again and again by margins unacceptable! R Shastri cannot do anything except for psychological consolation, that is a placebo reaction only.

  • swami999 on August 20, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    His response to the situation is encoraging.As an indian we always think that after heavy defeat what will be the next step of the Team. We know this team is best in the world.They are "World Champion"& one day or the other we will surely get "Sensational Bowling attack,experience batting line up & fantastic fielding side.Best of LUCK my team ...Its My team INDIA & I am with team "INDIA"

  • on August 20, 2014, 13:14 GMT

    India needs to bounce back in ODI. Hopefully Shastri is the right person to achieve this and restore back India's battered reputation and pride !!

  • Nampally on August 20, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    Shastri says that "Everyone makes mistakes but you want to try something different". He says this in the context that the batsmen are making the same mistakes & not learning from it. Let us start from Captain Dhoni over the last 5 years. He kept making a mistake of playing with 3 specialist bowlers in SA,NZ Tour & lost repeatedly. Even if he used a 5th bowler it was someone like Binny- bits & pieces guy. He himself admitted that he cannot find the use for a 5th bowler. How great is that Example for the Captain to set. In England he saw absolutely spineless batting from his Top 5 batsmen in both innings with 66 for 5, at the Old Trafford. Yet he played the same 5 "spineless" guys at the Oval to get even worse result. What did Dhoni learn from his 5 year experience repeating the same mistakes but expecting different results-"Insanity"! Shastri should start by correcting Dhoni (most experienced) First. Learning from mistakes by addressing inherent deficiencies is the crucial First step!

  • vrkp on August 20, 2014, 13:03 GMT

    while he may be one of the smartest Indian cricketer, only sure thing that will happen is Rohit and other Mumbai players will be promoted.

    Instead of him, i would have gone with Ganguly who knows how to extract best out of new players.

    I'll be glad to be proven wrong but i doubt that will happen.

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  • vrkp on August 20, 2014, 13:03 GMT

    while he may be one of the smartest Indian cricketer, only sure thing that will happen is Rohit and other Mumbai players will be promoted.

    Instead of him, i would have gone with Ganguly who knows how to extract best out of new players.

    I'll be glad to be proven wrong but i doubt that will happen.

  • Nampally on August 20, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    Shastri says that "Everyone makes mistakes but you want to try something different". He says this in the context that the batsmen are making the same mistakes & not learning from it. Let us start from Captain Dhoni over the last 5 years. He kept making a mistake of playing with 3 specialist bowlers in SA,NZ Tour & lost repeatedly. Even if he used a 5th bowler it was someone like Binny- bits & pieces guy. He himself admitted that he cannot find the use for a 5th bowler. How great is that Example for the Captain to set. In England he saw absolutely spineless batting from his Top 5 batsmen in both innings with 66 for 5, at the Old Trafford. Yet he played the same 5 "spineless" guys at the Oval to get even worse result. What did Dhoni learn from his 5 year experience repeating the same mistakes but expecting different results-"Insanity"! Shastri should start by correcting Dhoni (most experienced) First. Learning from mistakes by addressing inherent deficiencies is the crucial First step!

  • on August 20, 2014, 13:14 GMT

    India needs to bounce back in ODI. Hopefully Shastri is the right person to achieve this and restore back India's battered reputation and pride !!

  • swami999 on August 20, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    His response to the situation is encoraging.As an indian we always think that after heavy defeat what will be the next step of the Team. We know this team is best in the world.They are "World Champion"& one day or the other we will surely get "Sensational Bowling attack,experience batting line up & fantastic fielding side.Best of LUCK my team ...Its My team INDIA & I am with team "INDIA"

  • on August 20, 2014, 13:26 GMT

    For all sub continent teams, until and unless they incorporate bowling friendly pitches in their domestic structure, they will find themselves as losers in Eng, Aus and SA again and again by margins unacceptable! R Shastri cannot do anything except for psychological consolation, that is a placebo reaction only.

  • yskpipsRUBESH on August 20, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Nothing gonna change, until India gives importance to select Ranji players in Test series and make sure only efficient people gets the prestigious India cap. Further slip fielding is one of the major component India must put great effort. Regarding ODIs and T20 cricket, India need only striking bowlers, not striking batsmen. Good luck Ravi.

  • Humdingers on August 20, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    Send an SOS to Gary Kirsten! Fletcher needs to go - full stop. Tom Moody, Stephen Flemming are two that come to mind as replacements. Mike Young for fielding. Also defn need someone for bowling (pace and spin) as well as batting - all three can be consultants if not full time.

  • Vilander on August 20, 2014, 13:44 GMT

    This is very good news for Rohit,Rahane,...and other players from Mumbai, Sashtri would know them better and would utilize them better, than players like Vijay,Ashwin. Hopefully it works for India.

  • Nags44 on August 20, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    Shastri is the right Guy as he has good equation with Dhoni. He has able assistants. He can moderate Dhoni's stubborn independent thinking on team composition without any confrontation. As for his on field leadership / captaincy for ODI there are no questions.

    On vrkp's dsoubt;

    As his reputation is at stake he will not unduly favour Mumbai players if better players are available at least during the short period he will be overseeing the team.

  • YorkshirePudding on August 20, 2014, 14:03 GMT

    @Nampally, surely the first step is to acknowledge there is a problem, then you can move on to fix whats wrong, in the press conference after Old Trafford and the Oval Dhoni refused to accept that there were any problems, After Old Trafford I can understand to some extent, but not after the Oval.

    Comparissons between the two teams after Lords, Cook said it was unacceptable, and set about making improvements, probably by asking Prior to stand aside (injured or not) and brining in Buttler. After Old Trafford, Dhoni made a joke out of it saying that his bowlers at least got an extra couple of days rest, they could have had that had they batted through to the close due to the remnants of the hurricane.

    there seems a reluctance for Indian players to be honest with their fans and say they played badly.