England v India, 3rd ODI, Trent Bridge

India 2-0 after spinners thrive

The Report by Siddarth Ravindran

August 30, 2014

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India 228 for 4 (Rayudu 64*) beat England 227 (Cook 44, Ashwin 3-39) by six wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Highlights: England come up short against spin

India channelled the spirit of their unlikely Champions Trophy victory in England last year - the fielding was near world-class and the spinners were outstanding - to leave team director Ravi Shastri clapping in approval midway through the third ODI at Trent Bridge. The batsmen then followed up with an assured performance that never allowed England a serious chance of defending a modest target, and put India 2-0 ahead in the series.

The turn from the track made the conditions seem alien for England, and a vocal crowd plenty of whom were backing India only enhanced that feeling. James Anderson was roundly booed at the venue where the biggest controversy of the summer erupted during the Test. England's ho-hum effort today will only increase the boos from the critics who have already savaged the team's chances at the World Cup.

When MS Dhoni won the toss he spoke about wanting to bowl because of "early morning help" for his quicks. Though Bhuvneshwar Kumar had the ball curling around, producing plenty of edges, he couldn't produce the breakthrough. An hour after the start, England were comfortably placed at 75 for 0, with Alastair Cook finding some semblance of ODI form and Alex Hales providing some of the dynamic hitting he was picked for.


Slip-catcher finally turns up for India as Suresh Raina takes a one-hander, England v India, 3rd ODI, Trent Bridge, August 30, 2014
Suresh Raina took a stunning slip catch as India's fielding improved tremendously from the amateurish levels in the Tests © Getty Images
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That was when England's old troubles against spin surfaced again, and most gallingly for them, their initial problems were against the part-timers, Suresh Raina and Ambati Rayudu. Hales top-edged a sweep for the second time in his two ODI innings as Raina struck in his first over, before Cook was stumped to give Rayudu his first international wicket.

Dhoni had been forced to turn to his part-timers because quick bowler Mohit Sharma hobbled off the field with a leg injury in the 11th over. Though he came back about an hour later, Dhoni didn't need to turn to him again as the spinners, both the specialists and the irregulars, were strangling England. Between the 15th and 42nd over, which were almost entirely bowled by the tweakers, there were only two boundaries.

The ball was gripping and turning, and England's batsmen seemed as uncomfortable as someone undertaking the ice-bucket challenge. Ravindra Jadeja got one to spin big, beating Joe Root's outside edge and Dhoni pulled off another of his express stumpings. R Ashwin found the outside edge five overs later and Eoin Morgan was caught behind. From 82 for 0, England had slid to 120 for 4.

India's fielding in the Test series had been amateurish, with catches regularly put down and run-outs virtually out of the question. England's next two wickets, though, fell through top-notch fielding: Mohit rifled in a direct hit from wide long-off to catch Ian Bell short, and Raina swooped to take a low slip catch to send back Ben Stokes.

The run-rate continued to dodder despite a couple of reverse-swept boundaries from Jos Buttler, and it was only a hard-hitting cameo from James Tredwell towards the end of the innings that lifted England to 227.

That proved some way short of what England needed though. Shikhar Dhawan played a couple of sparkling strokes before slapping a short ball straight to backward point to extend his lean run. Ajinkya Rahane, promoted to the top of the order in the absence of the injured Rohit, was comfortable opening the innings. He began with a series of boundaries when the new-ball bowlers strayed, and the pick of the lot was a nonviolent push past Anderson for four.

The only disappointment for him was that, like in the second ODI, he didn't carry on to a big score, holing out for 45 after a silken innings. Virat Kohli also didn't make a big score, but he won't be too disappointed as he hit form after a wretched Test series. There was an effortless loft to the sightscreen for six early on, after he which he knuckled down and worked the singles and twos. With the asking rate well in check, he looked set to play the long innings, but picked out mid-on when on 40.

That allowed Rayudu a chance to further his middle-order credentials - and he responded with an unbeaten 64 to shepherd India to victory - and also allowed Raina the chance to supplement his superb work with the ball and in the field with a brisk cameo.

The England bowlers never put India under any serious pressure, and Steve Finn's first England game in nearly a year ended in disappointment as he returned figures of 8-0-50-1. The bigger worry for the home side was how thoroughly they were outclassed, though they could grab a sliver of solace in knowing that conditions during the World Cup are unlikely to be similar to today.

Siddarth Ravindran is a senior sub-editor at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by TimeKiller on (September 2, 2014, 21:56 GMT)

It is obvious that the ball used in the match is making all the difference. It is strange that none of the experts are pointing it out. Red ball used in England test matches, swings lot more than the white ball used in the ODI. Indian batsmen are not used to this red duke ball, English batsmen are brought up playing with this ball. So the English batsmen have the skill to counter the swinging red duke ball and the Indian batsmen don't, because they grew up playing with the SG ball in First Class Cricket. The nature of the cricket ball varies with its manufacturer. White Kookaburra balls are used in One Day Internationals and T20Is, while red Kookaburras are used in Tests played in most of the 10 Test-playing nations, the exceptions being the West Indies and England teams, who use Dukes, and India, who use SG balls. Since the white ball does not swing, Indian Batsmen find it very easy to play with it in the ODI games.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 1:33 GMT)

Is Sanju Samson getting a game?

Posted by Cricsnake on (September 1, 2014, 10:33 GMT)

With the current form India seems a very good ODI side. They did well in first two tests too, thanks to Dravid. India having a well balanced ODI team with moderately experienced batsmen & bowlers with ample talent. This a very good team for 2015 WC. For SL the main problem is we are having many aged players, specially the fast bowlers. For India Kohli seems still struggling to get back to his form. Raina & Rehene do well & Rayudu also doing well. Jadeja play as a fine all-rounder along with Raina & Ashwin. If manage these ample resources properly India could be a very strong team.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 1, 2014, 9:44 GMT)

@IndianSRTfan on (September 1, 2014, 6:35 GMT) Re the comms re formats - it's pathetic isn't it?

Re Hales - he deserves his chance but I think Eng are picking him for the wrong reason. I reckon they are seeing him as a future test player and they seem to be using this format as much as a nursery for tests rather than because they want the best possible ODI side. Stokes does not do ODI form and should not be there. He may have a good game and that will justify the number of bad games he has. Bopara is an ideal SF all rounder but for me if he doesn't bowl he doesn't play as there are better batsmen

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 8:46 GMT)

Yes, India's ODI record in Australia is not that good but its OK and much better than that of SL. India won 2008 CB series with a new and inexrienced squad. In the last last 8 ODIs India played against SL in Australia, India won 4, lost 2 with 1 tied and 1 washed out. Also, SL is still dreaming to register a test victory in Australia.

SL never won a tournament outside Asia and evertime they taste defeat from the hand of Indian team, SL fans start blaming D/L, toss and poor umpiring decisions. To be very clear, I don't think apart from Sanga, SL has produced even a single player who played well in Australia & SA over the last one decade. Their so called legend, Mahela's test average in Australia is just 31, 34 in England, 27.10 in SA and 27.79 in NZ. Even R Ashwin's batting average in Australia & England is better than that of Mahela.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 7:21 GMT)

@NP_NY on (September 1, 2014, 6:05 GMT): You posted:

"...So far, on this tour, it seems the Indian team doesn't WANT to play test cricket, the English team doesn't WANT to play ODIs..." Emphasis, added.

Just replace the word, 'WANT' with 'KNOW HOW TO', at both the places. You will be right on the dot!

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (September 1, 2014, 6:35 GMT)

@Posted by JG2704 on (August 31, 2014, 20:19 GMT): Actually I think rants overall need to be not only toned down. It's almost impossible to go through these forums without fans constantly ranting about one thing or the other. The debate about format superiority is as preposterous as the debate about the superiority of different pitches ( read 'unfair home advantage') in different parts of the world imho. Anyways good to see Hales playing in England ODI squad finally. Bopara's exclusion was pretty dumb imo, especially considering Stokes is in wretched form.

Posted by yogesh.gg on (September 1, 2014, 6:33 GMT)

JG2704: I can assure you , there's lot of admiration for Test cricket left in us Indian fans and in all possibilities , there's only small chunk of people who don't like it. It's BCCI's mess that we are in such a quandary. We will become stronger.

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (September 1, 2014, 6:15 GMT)

A good win for India. The most pleasing aspect of it was the way they came back after a very solid, if not express, opening stand by England which could have meant a big total. They would do well to note that more often than not big opening stands will result in big totals so early wickets are crucial.

In contrast, India hasn't had a good opening partnership for quite some time. This remains a concern and needs addressing. Also so far in this series the death bowling hasn't really been tested which can make or break an ODI. So we need to see how the bowlers handle the pressure of a 220-3 after 40 overs situation.

Apart from that, fielding, tactics, spinners' performance, middle order batting have all been good so far and the squad is taking a good shape. Spinners in late Australian summer with some very big grounds and Dhoni as the ODI captain can prove to be India's trump cards in WC.

England were terrible. They need to quickly change their mindset if they want to compete in WC.

Posted by NP_NY on (September 1, 2014, 6:05 GMT)

So far, on this tour, it seems the Indian team doesn't want to play test cricket, the English team doesn't want to play ODIs.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (September 1, 2014, 5:41 GMT)

@subratachakrabarty . Marked. Anything else?

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (September 1, 2014, 5:30 GMT)

@SILVERSANGA: "Almost won" as in how Sri Lanka always 'almost' wins finals except that they actually don't and lose thoroughly?

"India have won world cup and ICC tournaments outside S/C but it's still irrelevant when you consider playing a WC in Australia" Oh really? How's that irrelevant considering that the WC will be played outside of SC?

Key thing is, India HAS won, not 'almost won', limited overs world tournaments. Sri Lanka HASN'T won, almost or otherwise, ANY world tournament outside SC. #FactS.

Posted by anver777 on (September 1, 2014, 4:33 GMT)

4th Odi is very vital for both, if Ind wins series is theirs, if Eng wins they can atleast stay alive & try to level the series 2/2 !!!!

Posted by vr.mandalapu on (September 1, 2014, 4:26 GMT)

Well said Jhonny_129, you were dead right in comparing Rayudu's style with that of Javed Miandad. Not just the technique but also the temparement and the energy he brings in to the side is really infectious.Now that Ravi Shastri is in control of the things I hope Rayudu will get his due share.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 3:35 GMT)

Ashwin man of the match, Raina good fielding and 100% strike rate, and CSk Captain Dhoni at the Helm, CSk stars shining in Indian Wins

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 2:39 GMT)

As very many readers are pointing out, Dhawan is not up to the International standards.

He has the 'dash & verve' , alright. But, but doesn't have the variety of strokes, discretion, and the mindset of an international player who can easily & smoothly adapt and switch the style. We need guys who can apply caution and display aggression, as and when the occasion demands, AND switch back and forth depending on who the bowler is, what stage the game is, ... and more importantly the understanding that you play not only with the bat, but also with your brain.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 31, 2014, 20:19 GMT)

@Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (August 31, 2014, 19:06 GMT) And likewise those who go on about test cricket being dinosaur cricket should also tone down their rants.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (August 31, 2014, 19:06 GMT)

@Paul Rone-Clarke, for once I couldn't agree more with you. This is why people who say test cricket is 'THE REAL TEST' should tone down their rants. Different skill sets. Respect to all.

Posted by yogesh.gg on (August 31, 2014, 18:19 GMT)

SILVERSANGA: We don't need you tell us indian fans when to celebrate and when to not. Please sermonise elsewhere. We have all the right to be optimistic and you again can't stop us as much as you like. You ALMOST won in australia ? okay , let me tell you we won there in real , that too in a triangular series. Yeah when we win , its all fluke and when you win, its all skill and performance. It's you who won 1-0 against Eng test series. ALMOST lost first test match and then BARELY won series.

Posted by karthikrby on (August 31, 2014, 18:17 GMT)

I see maturity from indian players. However they are yet to be tested. Ashwin/Jadeja bowling with in their limits which is a good thing. Particularly in world cup knock outs, we will be having bigger grounds, hence spinners are real critical. I believe only india has two good spinners to control the run flow in middle overs which is a big plus. I am not sure how our spinners will react if some one like maxwell, finch, watson, kane williamson, ross taylor takes on them. however i see they are getting better day by day.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

ShiKhar Dhawan is not suited for international cricket, he has been getting out in the same way again and again. He has always been susceptible against the balls bowled outside off-stump close to his body. When everyone can see it then why can't the selectors?

Posted by SILVERSANGA on (August 31, 2014, 17:51 GMT)

India got pummeled and rolled over in 3 days in test series. Yes now they are 2-0 up in ODIs. But the real truth is that it's not something for Indian fans to celebrate largely and have their hopes high for 2015 CWC.. 1) England has always been a mediocre ODI side. 2) Australian pitches and conditions are different than in Eng 3) India's recent record in Australia (in ODIs) has been poor (Not finalists in 2012 CB series- lost 3 outta 4 games against Australia with one fluke win in last over I guess) 4) SL's recent record in Australia has been far better in ODIs. They got Australia bowled out for 74 once and almost won the last ODI bilateral series. 5) India have won world cup and ICC tournaments outside S/C but it's still irrelevant when you consider playing a WC in Australia. 1983 win was just history. 2013 CT win was in Eng where conditions were not as tougher as in Aus. 2007 T20 WC win in SA. Teams like Aus, SL, SA stands a better chance than India in WC 2015. # Fact.

Posted by android_user on (August 31, 2014, 17:16 GMT)

For England to have good chance at world cup they should play this 1) hales 2) Chopra 3) Taylor 4) bopara 5) Morgan 6) Stokes 7) butler 8) Rashid 9) bresnan 10) board 11 ) gurney 12) Vince

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 17:01 GMT)

Wish to have Team india As follow. Samson, Rahane, Kholi, Rayudu, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Binny, Karan, Buvanesh, Umesh. Sanju could be the Future role model as Sachin in opening in all 3 formats. Rohit could play better and sensible in middle order to replace Rayudu. Binny place must be replaced by another fas bowling allrounder. Could be the best playing 11 for next WC 2015 if Team India can persist for a while.

Posted by ren1 on (August 31, 2014, 16:39 GMT)

DHAWAN NEED REST. India need Get Ready for WC 2015. For next match 1. Rahane 2. Sanju 3. Kohli 4. Rayadu 5. Raina 6. Dhoni 7. Ashwin 8. Karn Sharma/ Jadeja 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami 11. Yadav. Pls Give Chance to Sanju and K. Sharma

Posted by luv_indo.cric on (August 31, 2014, 14:01 GMT)

its now time to add left arm pacer to the squad becoz bi-arm combo will be effective for india...if consider about capped player Zak,RP,Irfan would be better choices india has.but if it a new comer he should expose to international level.every wining squad had that combo unless the opposition have only right hand batsmen.

Posted by android_user on (August 31, 2014, 13:09 GMT)

Rayudu deserve a seat in playing 11. Can be good player @ no.4 for India keeping WC 2015 in mind !!!

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 13:00 GMT)

Musings on the travails of India's ODI openers, and on the consequential beneficiaries:

Rayudu got a chance only because of Rohit's unfortunate injury. Now, does Sanju Samson need to wait for someone else's misfortune to get a chance, and to get groomed as Dhoni's worthy successor behind the wicket?

How much I wish Rohit was not injured. I certainly think, India should have given as many chances to Rahane-Rohit pair to become India's first choice ODI openers. They, being mates in the same domestic team, can also help each other to to plug the gaps in their executions. And, both would have become even better players.

Dhawan is yet to prove that he is in the same class as Kohli, to be given as long a rope as Kohli is given. Treating Dhawan & Kohli on par is unwarranted.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 12:37 GMT)

From England's 82 for no wickets, it is crystal clear that no one is really an expert to read pitches well; unless the pitch's nature is obvious to even school cricketers.

Mohit's injury turned out to be fortuitous for India. (It was nice to see him back and there is no major concern about his foot). That injury forced Dhoni to find the turn, a bit earlier than, what it would have been otherwise. Results would have been the same though, may be with lesser margin.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 12:22 GMT)

@Paul Rone-Clarke on (August 31, 2014, 11:14 GMT):

Nail on the head! I have to concur. I noticed, even the good spinning coaches from the sub-continent working with English players only teach them how to bat against spin. Or, it seems!

Posted by sf21 on (August 31, 2014, 12:14 GMT)

pls avoid dhawan and give chance to sanju v samson and see the magic.how long we can give chance for an out form batsman and especially when he is an opener.he may be a good player but give him some time to get his form back.sanju is an emerging player and is a good asset for 2015 world cup.let him play in england for rest of the matches.i garante he will show some magic.and Team INDIA pls try pinch hitters for one day matches,..they can win matches.Remember Symcox..Sewagh..dhoni all did it earlier...

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 12:12 GMT)

Where is moen ali a top performer in tests what about ODIs.

Posted by HiyerNHiyer on (August 31, 2014, 12:07 GMT)

To put it simply,

India are a better Limited overs side than a Test side. In Tests they have a some way to go to become a really strong force.

England are a better Test Side than limited overs side(even though they have won a T20 WC). Their Thinking is muddled with regards to limited overs games.

Purists love the Tests and the Limited overs games are is loved by all (including some purists) and good for the games popularity.

Posted by sf21 on (August 31, 2014, 12:05 GMT)

Pls give chance to Sanju V Samson instead of some out form openers in England condition.he will be a good asset for 2015 world cup.And why pinch hitters are not used in one day matches now a days ?? !!

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 11:14 GMT)

Indian spinners are of a higher quality. Raina - a part timer - would be one of the best 5 spinners in English county cricket. We produce slow medium dart bowlers not spinners. but more importantly.

England cannot score quickly against good spinners.

They play defensively very well against spinners. Tick along at a test match pace of about 3 an over. It's when they are forced to play attackingly and required to score at 5 runs or more against them that they struggle.

In tests England will quite happily play out 2 or 3 maidens against spinners early in their spells, and catch up when the bowler gets tired or tries to be too inventive. They will play from their crease primarily. In ODI's this tactic is not viable, and English batsmen have no other approach. Batting against spin - England are fine. SCORING against spin is England's issue, and it always has been - and in ODI's you have to SCORE not just BAT

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (August 31, 2014, 10:39 GMT)

@STRIKETHUNDER: I'm sure India weren't favourites in 2011 as well eh? I'm sure the same was said in 2003. Or even in the 2007 T20 WC. India prefer being the underdogs and they know how to win World Cups. No team besides India has won the World Cup on home soil. If you think Aus will walk it like Brazil thought they'd cake walk the WC, then you are sadly mistaken.

lol and South Africa? lol the chokers? They can't win when it matters.

Posted by Big_Poppa_94 on (August 31, 2014, 10:33 GMT)

It seems that the effects of the Asian Tsunami are still there, as it is very clear that there's water trapped between the ears of the Sri Lankan fans. No wonder they cannot think critically.

1) The Asia Cup is held in the sub continent and largely irrelevant. 2) SL and Pak are NOT favourites for the World Cup 2015; Aus are the firm favourites whilst NZ will reach the semis and SA choke as usual. 3) Funnily enough, Aus summers will offer help for spin. The other advantage for India is already playing in those conditions prior to the WC. 4) India KNOW how to win tournaments. The key to winning a tournament is having a settled side, good bench strength and peaking at the right time. India peaked way too early in this year's T20 World Cup. Also, unlike SL, India have performed in World Cups outside the sub continent (1983, 2003 etc).

Posted by RahaneRules on (August 31, 2014, 10:22 GMT)

every body said india no chance in champions trophy and all know what happened

Posted by CodandChips on (August 31, 2014, 9:42 GMT)

Woakes does appear to have improved. Stokes perhaps needs a pat on the back for going under six an over. Since neither are contributing with the bat, are they good enough bowlers to keep Gurney out? I still think their white-ball bowling is behind their red-ball bowling.

I'm still waiting for Hales to play as I've seen him for Notts. Not too aggressive but playing more positively than he is now. Why pick Hales to play to fit the formula? Pick Hales to play like Hales or I'd rather someone else in the side.

And I still remain unconvinced to change this side for the world cup, though I'm easily convinced to change it if need be. Hence

1.Hales 2.Lumb/Bell 3.Root/Taylor 4.Morgan (C) 5.Buttler 6.Bopara 7.Jordan 8.Broad 9.Tredwell (Briggs) 10.Gurney 11.Anderson/Finn

I guess this side would have probably still lost easily yesterday. And Jordan is the big worry. As well as Broad being injured.

Posted by CodandChips on (August 31, 2014, 9:34 GMT)

I didn't see any of the game so apologies if any of my judgments/thoughts are misguided.

England always struggle against India in ODIs. Even on India's last tour of England, the ODI series was closer than the scoreline suggested (including a tied game). India are a dominant ODI side whereas England's ODI cricket has been poor, with just 2 wins in the last 6 ODI series I think. Therfore I think without many logical changes in personnel (batting and bowling) England were always going to struggle.

However I don't think many of us could have predicted death by spin bowlers while still in England. I guess it shows that India's spinners prefer the short format, and that we still don't have enough players of spin. I guess I'm glad I left Ian Bell in the ODI side I've posted everywhere since he is one of the few people in England that are quality players of spin.

Disappointed with Finn but I doubt he'll ever be as good as he was. Stokes still looks poor in ODIs. Woakes improved a bit.

Posted by STRIKETHUNDER on (August 31, 2014, 9:25 GMT)

India has no chance in WC 2015. Its either SA or Aus.

Posted by Charlie101 on (August 31, 2014, 9:24 GMT)

Hopefully England will make some changes - Balance will come into the team for either Root or Morgan and perhaps Anderson rested with Gurney replacing him. At this stage I would like to see Moen in the team for perhaps Stokes and I would certainly keep with Finn and give him a run if nothing else for the man's confidence.

India have played very well but it is very interesting to see how motivated the team and supporters are when it is an ODI game as opposed to a Test . Their batting technique is much better than ours in this format and they seem much more confident and competent hitting over the top in the PPs. Does not look good for the future of tests for India and I think a 5 test series between Pakistan and India should be arranged to rekindle this format.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 8:56 GMT)

Happy to see India back in grove and those sixes by Kohli were pure joy. I can watch them all my life, seer delight. I also want to applaud Rayudu for stabilizing the innings and not just get carried away, his contribution to yesterday's game was immense. Rahane proved that he can bat in any given condition, in any order. A few worries about Dhawan, he should either get his act right or make way for Vijay or Samson. Raina and my Jadu i was and will always be a fan. Kudos to Dhoni and our Pacers for coming out victorious under so much pressure. LOVE YOU TEAM INDIA. (cricinfo please post i am posting after a long time)

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (August 31, 2014, 8:43 GMT)

How is Bell 'promising'? He is the oldest player in the squad and probably a couple of years off retirement!

Posted by Patchmaster on (August 31, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

How and why is Bell still in this team ? He scores too slowly and has had more chances than anyone in test cricket to put his short format game right - and he hasn't taken them. Ballance surely has to be picked instead ? I also think it's time for Morgan to take the reins of the ODI captaincy, and time for Cook to concentrate on Test matches.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 8:05 GMT)

A brief comparison between the two most promising batsmen in each team Kohli (1,8,25,0,39,28,0,7,6,0,40,?,?) and Bell (25,DNB,16,1,167,23,58,DNB,7,DNB,DNB,1,28) who are predicted to be the batsmen of the series. But only two inning differntiate them. otherwise both are same.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 7:58 GMT)

Pleasantly surprised to see that Cricinfo seem to have attracted a lot of NEW fans to comment in this fora. Good show. I was reaching a point, where I could almost predict what a reader is going to write, the moment I read his name or pseudonym.

Posted by android_user on (August 31, 2014, 7:51 GMT)

Great come back team india after losing test series with england! we hope this will continue, team india getting the ranking in top orders! especially spinners in third odi is a great effort, and wish you better luck for the next games!....

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 7:41 GMT)

As a cricket community we have become a very vile community. Apart from few decent comments from decent people comments on cricinfo forums are nothing but disrespectful. We don't do anything but criticize everyone, everywhere for no apparent reason. Reading Cricinfo articles is starting to become really hard. This is very sad as i am very big fan of cricket and want to be updated on all cricket news.

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (August 31, 2014, 7:39 GMT)

Just like preceding test series became non-competitive from the 3rd test onwards, similarly the ODI series has become non-competitive from the word go. This means that our team India is no good in test matches, and doesn't even seem to be caring about them, and England is no good in ODIs, and their fans and players don't seem to care about this format. As a result both the series became rather one-sided, and the only purpose they served was to boost the confidence of their respective teams (Eng for tests, India for ODIs). Anyways, Indians can't complain because they are winning and they are most bothered at this point in time for WC15. ODI side of England seems to be in dire straits, they will have to do something miraculous to be competitive for WC15. How to go about improving the ODI side of England? Two ways of doing it: either the existing players raise their game, or England finds a new group of players to try out things. With the time running out for WC15, this will be difficult.

Posted by vkumar_086. on (August 31, 2014, 7:07 GMT)

Definitely Sri Lanka and Pakistan are light years ahead of India in ODI cricket as both Sri Lanka and Pakistan entered the Asia Cup finals which mediocre India could not as they deserve. Definitely Sri Lanka and Pakistan are infinite times likely to win the CWC 2015 and definitely India are a write off.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 6:49 GMT)

Good work by India - ODIs are always our strength - more thru' support from a spinning wicket.

But a word of caution - our seamers were not effective in the helpful conditions of the morning - England's 82 run opening stand speaks out.

May be worth trying out Umesh Yadav - had good performances recently.

England can never hope to get India out by these unidirectional medium pacers. Too stereotyped.

They must counter Spin with Spin.

Moeen Ali, Ravi Bopara or even Monty Panesar have all, at different times, tormented Indian batsmen here - more so the current lot of inexperienced players.

ECB has to put their "thinking caps" on - Captain Cook needs to drastically change his approach - to a more daring mode.

Posted by Cricfever_PM on (August 31, 2014, 6:45 GMT)

The ODI team have performed well in all the department especially looking at the fielding and bowling shows that we have well adjusted the condition, so next time start ODI 1st and Test next so that we have adjust the condition by staying there for a month. England team have full of tired team which played Test cricket and county cricket over the month and they need to rest Anderson, cook, bell and bring Trott, Ali, Bopara and Bresnan so that they can get right team. Trott is playing well in county so it's time to get him to ODI side for WC plan.

Posted by B.R.K.R on (August 31, 2014, 6:40 GMT)

eng team tends to focus more on tests than odis, perhaps they should think of different teams and captains for the two formats

Posted by vkumar_086 on (August 31, 2014, 6:36 GMT)

@ vkumar_086. WC 2015 is not going to held on Colombo tracks, where only SL performs well....If it crosses the league stage then it will be 8th wonder....SL is yet to win a test in INDIA and Australia and yet to win an ICC trophy outside the subcontinent....SL won against England by 3-2 margin and become all out for 67 runs...India scores 300 runs in almost every matches....there will be huge gap between the two teams...clearly INDIA is way ahead of all Asian teams in shorter format...plz publish

Posted by Yuosufahmed on (August 31, 2014, 6:12 GMT)

In my opinion, SA, Aus, NZ and Pak are the hot favorites for the next world cup in Australis.

Posted by Yuosufahmed on (August 31, 2014, 6:11 GMT)

In my opinion, SA, Aus, NZ and Pak are the hot favorites for the next world cup in Australis.

Posted by lancia71 on (August 31, 2014, 6:07 GMT)

It's great to see India wining again. Shastri seems to be a good influence but I don't think it's fair to say, it's all due to his being there. India is and was always a very good one day side either at home or away. SL is improving and don't be surprised if one of the teams win the next world cup. But india might have a slight edge with the stronger batting line up. Seems some Indian and sl fans love going at each other but I think it's a love hate thing. Good luck to the indian team for the rest of the matches - a sl fan here.

Posted by MagazineReader on (August 31, 2014, 6:01 GMT)

Hmm, Okay first thing first 1. [Over the wicket] More critics over short form cricket promotion which once well appreciated before 2011-12 season for filling the gap for fans between ODI and Test matches. It seems so T20 platform only helps players to get chance in ODI[while seeing the well worked out results]l. 2.[Around the wicket]At the same time the strategy used between ODI and T20 for attracting fans around the world seems misinterpreted as applied between T20 and Test.Here is where the stars like KP lost their place because England had unaffected fans for Test stage. 3. So would be better Team management promotes players from T20 Stage to ODI/listA/First class Bench and then if performs well can be transformed to Test arena as Benchstakers. Thus the issues can be served well globally.

Posted by IMCG67 on (August 31, 2014, 6:00 GMT)

India are proving to be quite an enigma - how the team can field so well in the shorter forms yet be poor in tests is beyond me, maybe some of them don't have the heart or stamina to stand in the field for a day and a half ? That said they are showing England how far away they are from being even a decent one day side. No doubt the selectors will produce another tactical masterstroke by making one change, a bowler, when its not scoring enough runs that is the issue ! I look forward to being proved wrong in the next ODI but can't see it I am afraid !

Posted by wapuser on (August 31, 2014, 5:56 GMT)

Virat looked as fluent as ever during his 40 Next he will get a big one and show who is the boss

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 5:51 GMT)

We shouldn't take this victory much high as Eng is very weak in shorter formats. Our real challenge is to play top teams like SA, Aus, and NZ in fast bouncy pitches. Pak also could be a challenge with their bowling unit. Also the recent form of NZ and SL could be a challenge for us.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

Dear dhoni don't stick with out of players, let all players in the squad for looking in to world cup in bouncy pitches, so please rest Dhavan give a chance inform bats man Sanju samson , I believe Sanju and Rayidu will be fit to play in any position

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

Glad to see that Team India did not lose heart after losing the Test series. Almost the same set of playing eleven has done so well against the same opponent in ODI. I think the nature of the pitch and weather conditions have more influence on the outcome of the matches played in Tests. This being true you cannot give world ranking to teams and players unless they are tested in similar conditions throughout the world.

Posted by gundapps on (August 31, 2014, 5:42 GMT)

Seeing the discomfiture of the English batsmen in facing spin, it makes sense for India to go in with Karn Sharma in place of the third seamer for the next ODI - this move will be the best to ensure that India goes up 3-0.

Posted by RaghuProdhutoori on (August 31, 2014, 5:37 GMT)

India trounced England yet again in their likely format.... English batsmen problems against spin in ODI continued..I always don't understand the logic why the same spinners have flopped in the tests against the same batsmen...even in the tests England batsmen were scoring at a healthy run rate against the Indian spin bowling...nice to see Rayudu chipping in with half century which opens the competition in the middle order...its enough of chances for Dhawan... as India has no chance of losing the series it give a chance to Samson as dhawan is failing there is nothing to loose even if samson fails...hope samson will be there in the next ODI..GO INDIA GO

Posted by rock.rockyin on (August 31, 2014, 5:32 GMT)

@Yousufahmed11

Pakistan a top ODI team ?? can u tell us what are the big global tournaments that pak has won ? Do u know the ranking of PAK team in ODIs in a crop of top 8 teams ROFL

Posted by Yousufahmed1 on (August 31, 2014, 5:25 GMT)

@ hiranya Learn from IND, why go so far, you can learn by sitting in your country where mediocre players like Mahela who score half their runs on one ground are considered LEGENDS. LOL.

Posted by Yousufahmed1 on (August 31, 2014, 5:23 GMT)

@ vkumar_086. "Who are the best 2 teams in Asia? Definitely Pakistan 1st and then Sri Lanka" That is the funniest comment I have heard. SL just got hammered by SA in their own home. And then PAK came and were humiliated by SL. LOL. Need I remind you WC is not in colombo where your colombo track bullies will score runs, its in AUS and NZ where you are yet to win anything. You haven't won a single test in AUS and yet to win a single ICC tournament outside ASIA. LOL.

Posted by Yousufahmed1 on (August 31, 2014, 5:16 GMT)

@ Yousufahmed11 Top teams like SL ???? LOL. SL won 3-2 recently against ENG and their fans claimed that it was one of their biggest victories in their history, now IND is doing it without breaking into sweat and you say ENG is mediocre.

And please stop worrying about IND, IND has won ICC tournaments outside ASIA on the other hand SL is yet to win a single one. Remember last year IND thumped all the mention teams including and specially SL in Champions trophy to win the title.

Posted by paki_boy86 on (August 31, 2014, 4:54 GMT)

No doubt India are a good ODI team but only when the pitch assists spinners. Otherwise 4-0 & 3-0 drubbing in NZ & SA resp. are in front of all of us. Eng are a very weak side to beat but to beat a team like Australia against their power hitters Warner, Watson, Maxwell, Finch, Faulkner, Bailey & Clarke himself & to face their pace attack of Mitch, Harris, Pattinson, Starc, McKay is extremely hard for our team to compete or beat. No doubt Aussies are the clear favourites of WC-15 & it's really very very hard for any team to beat them when they are on their full swing. As an Indian I want to suggest Dhoni that there are still many holes in our team to compete the giant teams. Plz fill them quickly WC is on it's way.

Posted by Yuosufahmed on (August 31, 2014, 4:48 GMT)

Nothing to take away from Indian victory, but this Eng team is horrible in both batting and bowling in shorter formats. I wonder how they are going to perform in fast bouncy conditions in Australia against top teams like Aus, SA, NZ, SL and Pak in the next world cup.

Posted by luv_indo.cric on (August 31, 2014, 4:05 GMT)

shikar need to be replace with sanju.he is an opener too.then why this.sanju is an athletic fielder.and also a part time spinner.when there seaming condition dhoni can bowl while sanju keeps.and need a spiner part timer vice versa.sick with dhawan. or else jadeja should open to launch like jayasooriya inning.manan vohra is also better replacement bcoz accrding to my sight he is the junior viru

Posted by luv_indo.cric on (August 31, 2014, 3:37 GMT)

shikar need tobe rested and sanju should be added to open inning alongwith rahane.bcoz they were the pair in ipl 4 rajastan.or trying jadeja as a jayasooriya is also good.but if sanju is there.dhoni can ball couple of over when there is seaming condition.

Posted by landl47 on (August 31, 2014, 3:28 GMT)

Well done, India. I enjoyed watching the Indians in the field- some spectacular catching and ground fielding. England didn't put up much of a challenge, but India did everything efficiently and well. All credit to them.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 3:25 GMT)

Play Moeen Ali for next match and England will win.

Posted by vick2025 on (August 31, 2014, 2:56 GMT)

Good game today...excellent fielding...and bowling from the spinners...I hope Dhoni brings in Umesh Yadav for the next game and rest Mohit...Mohit is good but Umesh should be given a chance also...rest of the team should be the same...hope India continues this winning momentum....I wish they played like this in the tests.....England should bring Ali back...and Ravi Boapara...they both can bring a huge change for Eng for a chance to win...otherwise...its going to be another defeat...but lets wait and watch!!

Posted by 12kris on (August 31, 2014, 2:56 GMT)

Cook is an unimaginative Captain. Defending a low total, he should have attacked with his top Bowlers, even if they were not proving effective. What did he mean by using Joe Root when he should have applied pressure with Anderson and Finn?

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (August 31, 2014, 2:55 GMT)

I think these are all positive influences of Ravi Shastri's presence. If Indian coaches do not indulge in regionalism, then I think we should go only for Indian coaches. India started hiring foreign coaches, because among other things, they do not have regional preferences and hence they are believed to be impartial. But someone like Duncan Fletcher appears to be not doing anything at all. Team India, which is a very young team, needs more of an activist coach rather than a philosophical coach. Ravi Shastri, even during commentary, is always brimming with fresh ideas. So this is time for him to try his fresh ideas on team India. Things seem be improving now, and good that on TV now we see Ravi Shastri in Indian dressing room. Next, Shastri should try out Umesh Yadav in the team, instead of Mohit Sharma. Dhoni will obviously prefer Fletcher because Fletches seems to agree with everything Dhoni says, so it is a cosy arrangement, which Shastri will not allow for good reasons.

Posted by android_user on (August 31, 2014, 2:33 GMT)

i dint understand that what is wrong with some of srilankan fans... there is no doubt tht this indian team have no resistance outside subcontinent at test level. but they do well in oneday format most of time. when england won test series at home i repeat at home, every one from island gave them full credit but when india win at english soil (outside home) then they been considered as mediocr team. hmm double standards. last time sl guys lost at home again sa and i repeat at home. not to forget they have just won at home against mediocr team like pakistan. and stop comparing urself with aus or sa, those guy have recently beaten u at ur own backyard. and as far as winning wc we will see whose the best. anyway haters gonna hate

Posted by android_user on (August 31, 2014, 2:25 GMT)

kevin peterson is better option for captaincy. i like kevin...

Posted by rk_ks on (August 31, 2014, 2:22 GMT)

@ JustIPL: Why do you want to try Raina as an opener. Any reason. He played 100+ matches and was very well settled in his current position. There are so many players on bench. Dhawan can be replaced by them. And Bhuvneswar Kumar or Ashwin as captain before worldcup huh. Glad you were not the team captain. Your decision would have been terrible as your comments.

Posted by vkumar_086. on (August 31, 2014, 2:10 GMT)

Who are the best 2 teams in Asia? Definitely Pakistan 1st and then Sri Lanka which was why they entered the finals. So the CWC 2015 semi finalists will be definitely Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. Indian fans say Indian bowling is thw best in the world and that India wins 100 out of 100 times and that they are invincible when the truth is that they are easily beatable indeed.

Posted by vkumar_086. on (August 31, 2014, 2:06 GMT)

I was hiding all these days when my mediocre flat track bully Indian team was getting thrashed. Now boasting as if we have already won the world cup. With umpires help we won yesterday, but luck will soon run out as England will definitely win the next 2 ODIs. We cant even face Moeen Ali and that was why we planned to get all out for double digits before he comes to bowl.

Posted by   on (August 31, 2014, 1:58 GMT)

Must say I don't agree with Cpt Meanster above. Test Cricket in my view is still the pinnacle of world cricket. ODI's including the World Cup are big-time events, yes, but the sheer quality of a good batsman playing a fine innings or a quality bowler taking wicket after wicket with no artificial time limit is and always will be unsurpassed.

Posted by wapuser on (August 31, 2014, 1:14 GMT)

England can not win against any country with white balls as red cherries swing more than white and last long. More, their batsmen are vulnerable against genuine spin bowling. Cook is not an aggressive captain too. It's time to replace people like him and Bell and infuse young blood.

Posted by hiranya on (August 31, 2014, 1:08 GMT)

@vkumar_086, "every other team" has their own records similar to what you have mentioned. you won't understand it until you come out of that well you are living. only thing "every other team" can learn from india is how to glorify selfish masters (they can be little masters or cool masters!!)

Posted by Prabhash1985 on (August 31, 2014, 0:56 GMT)

Congratulations India! Well played! This is what you can do if you play natural game! All the best for next games!

Posted by TRAM on (August 31, 2014, 0:17 GMT)

I agree with @LillianThomson. I have been watching since '83 world cup and listening to commentary 2 WC before. Pitches have indeed become more batsmen friendly and good bowlers are struggling. Earlier, depending on the pitch/conditions a 50 run by a batsman may be a big deal. But today its not so. And it is impossible to take 5 wkts by a bowler however much he tries, whereas it is easy to score a century by a batsman (if he applies himself). The pitches, the boundaries distances, the bats, the rules changes, ... So there is really no test for batsmen and the tournaments have only become more number & luck games. A cricket match with bowler having little or no say is lifeless.

Posted by TRAM on (August 31, 2014, 0:07 GMT)

What all this boils down to is that batsmen or bowler is only as good as the pitch/conditions that allow him to be.

There is no batsman in the world who scored in every kind of pitch and conditions. There is no bowler in the world who got wkts in every kind of pitch and conditions.

It is high time the boards categorize players completely based on the pitches/conditions. It is high time fans like us also pass our remarks based on the category of a player. Accept them as they are. Dont praise them as greatest or worst based on one tour.

Posted by ruester on (August 30, 2014, 23:51 GMT)

Why does Moeen Ali not get a go? Let him open with Hales and then we have plenty of spin, remember Moeen is top order batsman and the sides test spin bowler. Let Cook carry drinks and give us all a glimmer of happiness that he is not in the side!

Posted by Sir-Rishab on (August 30, 2014, 23:42 GMT)

What critics will say: If India win: "They can only play limited overs and not the longest format, it's all Dhoni's fault" If India lose/draw: "They can't win outside the subcontinent, it's all Dhoni's fault" No matter what, critics will go after Dhoni. Remember: He won us the WC 2011, the first T20 world cup (SA), Champions Trophy (England).....

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (August 30, 2014, 23:38 GMT)

Well played India, the game was over as a contest mid England innings. Cpt.Meanster you seem to think your opinion is fact and that is it; as an England fan it does disappoint me that England are so uninspired and frankly dour but to say ODI's WC's is the only think that matters is naive, it is in India and to Indian fans it seems and to be honest they can have it. I would like England to do well in all forms but given the choice I would take a decent test side over a good ODI. I think it is cultural thing fans in England, Aus, WI, SA probably focus on world cups in rugby or football whereas India, SL, Pak don't really play any other sports at a competitive level just my 2 penneth so please stop being so vitriolic to anyone with a differing opinion to yours.

Posted by Nampally on (August 30, 2014, 23:19 GMT)

Shastri's Mantra is working like Magic!. India toppled England with Overs to spare. Kohli showed signs of returning to form with a crisp 40 while Raina continued where he left in ODI 2 with another attacking 45. Before the start of the ODI series I had commented that Dhoni must include the 4 new comers- Raina, Rayudu, Yadev & Karn Sharma in XI to make the maximum impact. While he included Raina, the other 3 were benched. In ODI 3 he decided to include Rayudu & Raina. Both put up a dominant show with Rayudu carrying India to victory with 64*. Dhoni still has excluded Yadev & Karn Sharma in ODI's so far! These 2 are effective bowlers who can befuddle England batsmen- especially Karn Sharma, a RH leg spinner who can be handful for inexperienced England batsmen. Mohit Sharma is much slower than Yadev. India has good pace bowlers in Aaron & Yadev but Dhoni benches them & complains that India has NO Bowlers!. Shastri needs to act in XI selection & get these benched guys to play.

Posted by CricketChat on (August 30, 2014, 22:54 GMT)

If Ind plays out form Dhawan in the next match, I have decided to abandon following India team for the foreseeable future. He deserved to be dropped for ODIs all together. There are several young players who deserved to be given a try instead of Dhawan who in my opinion will never ever scale the success he luckily had before being found out.

Posted by Pritt32 on (August 30, 2014, 22:39 GMT)

India comepletely outplayed and outclassed the hosts in the one day series. I expect a whitewash, as the visitors are making life difficult for the hosts. England start well, but once the spinners are introduced in the middle overs, they crumble. India have bounced back following an abysmal test series. They must improve on test cricket. As for one day cricket, they are heading in the right direction. England need to raise their game in the one day circuit.

Posted by Silverbails on (August 30, 2014, 22:16 GMT)

Well done, India! So, why oh why, can't this same level of intensity and desire to win be produced at Test level, then? Perhaps there's no monetary incentive in Tests, compared with the One Day game? It's really sad if this is the case…well, let's hope for much better in the forthcoming, much tougher overseas, Test series to follow…the Indians simply can't be complacent, now that the tide is turning. Tests are still the true barometer of a player's skill, determination and patience, let's not all forget that, especially given this meaningless ODI success...

Posted by vivkr on (August 30, 2014, 21:32 GMT)

Ah! now see how we Indian fans lap up the "great" exploits of our team. I sometimes think that ODIs simply exist so that we can win something, and forget the fact that we suck when not protected by a 50-over format and fielding restrictions.

The familiar failings, lack of anything in the nature of an attack and the utter inability to face the moving ball and show application and patience will bring us even more embarassment and failure in the future, failure that we'll try to forget with the sedative of ODIs and if we play better sides like SA, Pakistan or SL that rip us out even here, then T20s where we can sometimes beat even these mighty teams.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 30, 2014, 21:31 GMT)

I'm thinking more and more that the test mentality has got into our ODI players - Let's face all of them bar Tredwell and Morgan are probably under serious consideration for the next test series. Charles Colville pointed out on Sky about the lack of white ball cricket these guys have played so maybe their mindsets aren't geared up for ODIs. Maybe the plans/strategies are closer to tests than T20s.

Would it be that radical/drastic to have a whole side who don't play test cricket - and I'm even including my favourite SF player in Buttler? If his attitude/approach is compromised then you're taking away his main attributes Another thing - what about a Swann/Collingwood combo in charge of both the SF squads

Posted by JG2704 on (August 30, 2014, 21:29 GMT)

Well played India - pathetic by England.

The batting was woeful.

Often the comms are re the slow start but really the biggest problem seems to be after the 1st 15 overs. Today everyone looked petrified to express themselves with the bat including Buttler. I'm starting to wonder if test match cricket is even having an adverse affect on Buttler?

Maybe a little kneejerk , but in the last 2 inns he has looked timid at the crease. Maybe today was partly because there was no confidence in the batting to come. If that's the case maybe we should think about bringing him up the order? If he is too worried about going too early because of the lack of batsmen to come should we not consider moving our explosive up the order. It seems pointless having him playing in that manner.

PS Why was Woakes opening the bowling - surely we needed early wickets and Finn was the better bet

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 21:29 GMT)

This is the time for BCCI to think about creating a team of new 11 specially trained to play test cricket, current team is full of entertainers and we dont need entertainers in our national test team, we need real players who can be mentally trained to focus for longer period time not just 10, 15 overs. BCCI must do something about it, players would never blame IPL; it is the choice they made over test cricket. Test players should be paid lot more then One dayer n T20 in return they should agree to give up golden goose called IPL. Selection pattern needs some changing too, we should stop selecting players based on T20 performance, they will always end up cheating on real cricket for IPL after a series or two.

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 21:24 GMT)

still lot of work need to be done specifically in the opening batsman selection? ?? Dhoni needs to let somebody else do the test captaincy. . too much load on him. .

Posted by Chris_P on (August 30, 2014, 21:22 GMT)

If Swanny is correct in his statements, then England would have been happy with their score. Good effort by India. @ Cpt.Meanster Understanding how some Indian fans feel about ODI & WC, the simple fact is in other parts of the cricket world, WC's are like fast food. Satisfying at the time, but hardly memorable. However, unlike England, this is being said by an Aussie & we have won four (4) of them! while I certainly can recount who we beat, scores etc, I can guarantee most Aussie cricket followers would be hard pressed to recall who we beat in the finals for all of them. Talk to them about test matches & you will find more likely recollection. This is how we think, it doesn't make it better or worse than how you think, just a different emphasis. Just acknowledge we all think of these games differently & let's try to appreciate the skills involved with each format.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 21:18 GMT)

Cook, in my view, is not captaincy material in any format of the game. He should give up the captaincy, focus on his batting and let Ian Bell or James Anderson have a shot at the helm!

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 20:44 GMT)

Why still no Bopara? Root or Bell should be replaced by him. England can only blame themselves for not picking right team

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 20:20 GMT)

I have not seen wc2015 format ywt but are there rhe old ghosts foe india like super 8 and super 6 in it?? as wc 2011 was 2groupa having 4 minnows so QF spot assured for top 8 and then 3 good matches..QF,SF,FINAL... and u r champions..

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 20:16 GMT)

Cook is a bad Captain. He can not read the pitches correctly. If he can not read the pitch in his own country, how do you expect him to read pitches in foreign land. Before the series against Sri-Lanka, prior to the world cup, ECB should replace Cook as a captain. He is tactically very weak. I have a feeling he is not intelligent.

Posted by JustIPL on (August 30, 2014, 20:02 GMT)

Very useful preparation for both the teams here. this experimentation will help during the world cup. I suggest india to use Raina and Jadeja alongwith Rahane one by one as openers. Dhawan can little bit down the order in Raina's place for example. I wish to see if Jadeja can do a Jaysooria and I am sure he can hit out as a capable pinch hitter. I also wish to also see if Raina can do a Ganguly. India's bowling is pretty well settled for ODIs, no question about that. An experiment about captaincy can be to play bhuvi or ashwin as captain and dhoni making way for another keeping option to see if india can do without dhoni's rearguard actions.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 19:16 GMT)

It is good to see India still dominating in this game'a cricket. Just ignore those English supporters who are just so tied that they can't accept a defeat and keep saying these matches have no significance.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 19:15 GMT)

gotta be for world cup Bell,Hales,Ballance,Morgan(c),Root,Buttler,Woakes,Broad,Tredwell,Finn,Anderson(Reserves) Bairstow,Rashid,Stokes,Jordan

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (August 30, 2014, 19:15 GMT)

@HarryFlashman: Keep telling that yourself to feel good. The fact remains, test cricket does not have the prestigious glory of a world cup. Only limited overs cricket has that honour. Test series are just ordinary affairs between two countries. Sure, you may call that being of a competitive nature but when the world isn't involved, it counts for less. If you really think English fans don't care about limited overs cricket, then why would they flock the ground this morning in large numbers ? Obviously, the world cup is on their mind and they wish to see England finally win cricket's most coveted trophy. As long as English fans think like you do, England will continue to remain a mediocre team in two out of the three formats. Which means, a majority of England's skills are deposited into one format. That equates to one dimensional mentality. Time for England to wake up and understand where the cricket world is heading.

Posted by Abhishek61088 on (August 30, 2014, 18:59 GMT)

excellent performance by indian team. well done rayudu. he has grabbed the oppurtunity with both hands. 72 in the game vs middlesex & 64 now. both unbeaten knocks. coming of a very good A tour in australia. he has shown what it requires to do at this level. he wud be a very good choice at No.4 Dhawan is having a very tough time. two more odis & if he still be the same i think his place in the team wud be in serious jeopardy. Rahane looks good as opener but he shud convert his little good performances into big scores.sad when i see rahane averages only 26 in ods.he is much better than that. he & rohit wud form a gud pair at the top.as per the bowling goes. umesh yadav shud be given a chance.he sure bowls quick & has that build of a genuine fast bowler. any defects in his technique shud be dealt with & he shud play in the team. shami is good bt bhuvi is not that much impressive in short format. his death bowling is a cause of concern & he doesnt seem to have picking up too many wickets

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (August 30, 2014, 18:55 GMT)

England need to call up Moin Ali and Bopara as well as James Taylor and J Roy.

Posted by Vishal_07 on (August 30, 2014, 18:52 GMT)

Congrats to the Champs on yet another nice win. MSD is a great captain for T20s and ODIs; Tests are another story.

Posted by HarryCS on (August 30, 2014, 18:50 GMT)

I am still worried about india's pace attack for World Cup. Need to have varun Aaron, I sharma, umesh yadav in World Cup squad. Mohit sharma may be good for t20.

Posted by MANEESHROYwinner on (August 30, 2014, 18:48 GMT)

Once batsmen decide to score runs and not just kill time coming behind the ball,England bowlers are just pedestrians.Stevev finn the best one day bowler for England about a year ago is not in the same stride as he used to be.Steven finn is a good example of what bad selection policy could do to a cricketer.This one-day series also underlines the fact,that, England batsmen are not very comfortable against slow bowlers.If the tracks are a bit more fast,opposition bowling has more variety and then Indians score thumping victory,that will do a lot of good to Indian cricketers.For the time being its good to be on the winning side.

Posted by sergio11 on (August 30, 2014, 18:46 GMT)

I dont think,these wins proves anything at all,when it comes to IND's chances at the WC2015..IND always dominated on pitches where their if a bit of assist for spinners,thats when INDs bowling will look good,but that wont be the case in WC 2015..those pitches wont assist spin at all..with this set of pace bowlers cannt see IND reaching even Semis..

Posted by sarangsrk on (August 30, 2014, 18:25 GMT)

My fellow Indian fans..Let's not behave like English fans and supporters who think that they are a very good test side after beating a struggling, young and inexperienced test side like India. Well played India today but they have beaten only an inadequate ODI team captained by an even more unimaginative, uninspiring captain. There are plenty of questions that need to be answered before Indians can even imagine this team reaching semis of the WC 15, leave alone winning. Yes, we have the best captain of all but he needs to be as smart and alert in WC 15 as he was in WC11. Second, opening combo is still not set and I would not want Dhawan there. I feel Rohit and Rahane should open going forward in all matches. These 2 boys have shown the right temperament and strokes.Then, comes number 4 slot. We need another Kohli at 4 who can build the innings but can also play shots freely. Next are a medium pace allrounder and a specialist death bowler.only then we have a chance of matching Aus & SA.

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 18:21 GMT)

I see people are sbouting for agressive batsmen in Eng team.. But, if you see, Its problem with technic playing spin and middle overs.. What Eng need is mixture of agressive and technically strong batsmen. . And Atleast 3 good odi bowlers. .. my line up should be in batting order Ballance , Hales, Morgan (c), Root, Bopara, Ali, Butler, Woakes, Tradewell, Broad, Anderson

Posted by Proteas1992 on (August 30, 2014, 18:08 GMT)

India are proving they are almost good enough to challenge South Africa and Australia in the 2015 world cup.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 18:07 GMT)

@ LillianThomson-- According to you only your guys have talent.... Also spinners are not talented... They can spin coz pitch is bad....

Also ODIs are useless coz you can't win any wc....

Great..!!!

Posted by HarryFlashman on (August 30, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

Well done India. England sadly continue to fail at this form of the game but the proportion of England fans who actually care is probably pretty minimal. Although one day series are pretty disposable - no one in this country will remember whether we win or lose this one in a few months time - and obviously test cricket is more important / enjoyable / exciting and a genuine 'test' of cricketing skill I sometimes feel we should care a little more about the 50 over game and not dismiss it quite so much as puerile entertainment for the bovine masses.

Posted by abstractCricFan on (August 30, 2014, 18:05 GMT)

If either of these teams is serious about competing in the WC next year, the pitches should be fast, seaming ...There's no way there's gonna be a WC pitch like the one used today...Having said that ..India seem to be totally in control on such pitches and England completely clueless

Posted by lobsterchampion on (August 30, 2014, 18:01 GMT)

I think India and England have similar problems. India selects its Test side on the basis of player's form in IPL and ODIs while England select their ODI and T20 sides on the basis of how players perform in Tests. So India will continue to win at home and lose abroad and England will continue to be mediocre side in ODIs and T20s.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (August 30, 2014, 18:00 GMT)

@hiranya....every other team should learn from India that how to score 300 runs in almost every matches and how to chase the target in a planned way....India chased more than 350 totals thrice and more than 200 total twice in T20 (the only team did so in shorter format)...in last 25-30 ODI's India scored more than 300 total sixteen times....no doubt India is the currently BEST ODI side..these stats prove the fact

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 17:55 GMT)

Will anyone remember the test series and the disaster after the two back - to - back performances? This is the bane of Indian cricket ...

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 17:55 GMT)

Yes, India have won the match, congratulations for that. But there was a luck factor which was favoring India today, which is always there for the more aggressive team. First the dismissal of cook and then the run out of bell, the two most experienced batsman. After that the stage was set up for the spinners and they did cash. And thanks for some sensible batting by Indians. If Indian selector select Amit Mishra in WC15 that will be handy. If indian can restrict teams between 250 - 290 they will probably win WC.

Posted by endianuwagona on (August 30, 2014, 17:54 GMT)

See now everything is OK. Dhoni is a great captain and all the players are heroes....India will win the 2015 WC too...all they need to do is pay off the board of Australia, SA and Sri Lanka, the teams who pose a challenge to them and then win the final against a team like Kenya....but better bribe them too in case an upset occurs....all is well that ends well with Indian Cricket.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (August 30, 2014, 17:44 GMT)

@subratachakrabarty....history did not repeat...INDIA won the match by 6 wickets without sweating and without climbing any mountain, first ODI also won by BIG margin....even if england would have scored 275, India would have chased it well below the 50 overs (India's run rate at the time of winning was 5.30)....next two matches also India will win by handsome margins....whatever people say about India's performance in test cricket, INDIA is a CHAMPION TEAM when comes to ODI format, only Australia can give tough fight to India in this format, only Australia is the obstacle in the way of India in winning WC 2015

Posted by rkannancrown on (August 30, 2014, 17:41 GMT)

The Indian team shold now focus on the world cup by giving opportunities to the players who did not play this game - Samson,Dhawan/ Vijay, Kohli, Raydu, Raina,Rahane,Karan Sharma, Jadeja/ Ashwin, Shami,Yadav,Mohit should be the line up for next two matches.This is the time to blood yongsters & check them out. Dhoni, Kumar etc will be in the world cup team but the back up team is what is needed.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 17:38 GMT)

No balllance, no james taylor, and no bopara, this is what happens. Bell and stokes were unlucky to get out, but this exposed engladn team. Root is a good batsman, he will recover. Toby roland jones and david payne should also be considered, they are excellent seam bowlers. James vince is also another batmsan who should be in the side

Posted by Essexspur on (August 30, 2014, 17:34 GMT)

So Ravi Bopara can play spin; can bat in any position fro 3 to 7; can finish games; can hit 6s; is a good fielder; can bowl slower balls and is often the most economical bowler. Let's leave him out of the team. We get what we deserve especially when the captain is not a one day player because he doesn't bat fast enough; cannot hit 6s; is not a dynamic field; is not an imaginative captain. As always we are light years behind other teams.

Posted by neil99 on (August 30, 2014, 17:34 GMT)

@ Peter Read

An excellent summing up, the only phrase missing is "England haven't got a clue in this format". Nothing will change until there is an attacking opener to component Hales, a power hitter like Taylor to replace Bell (who plays like he's on a pension) and one of two other changes based on current firm instead of picking players because they played a decent ODI 6 months ago. A complete shake up of the totally inept and laughable batting approach/strategy. The "Benny Hill" music comes on every time England bat! It's England's batting that under-performers time & time again, but the under-performers in the guise of "senior players" retain their places.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 17:31 GMT)

It was really good to see Indian players were showing some good response and character in the field. This spirit was really missing in the test series, hopefully Raina and Rayudu should have promoted in the test series as they are part timers even so could be handy in some situations. All the best team India and we want 4-0 to thrash England as revenge for test series.

Posted by vkumar_086 on (August 30, 2014, 17:20 GMT)

Congratulations TEAM INDIA for taking unassailable lead in the series....who cares about test cricket when hardly few people watches it...so ICC struggling to popularise the test cricket format...moreover most prestigious, most coveted trophies of cricket are in ODI format (50 over WC, T20 WC, Champions trophy, Asia cup)...and unarguably INDIA is the currently the BEST ODI side in the world..won most number of trophies in the world (two 50 over world cups, 2 CT's, one benson & Hedges trophy, one T20 WC, five Asia cups) along with Australia...all the best for remaining two matches to DEFENDING CHAMPIONS and current WORLD ODI CHAMPIONS

Posted by kunakrish on (August 30, 2014, 17:17 GMT)

Congrats india well the pitch made it easy for india .england though came good at later part of innings thanks to butler and tredwell,still indian bowlers bowled well .it is hard to notice commentators saying raydu will be getting MOM ,this is bad attitude and this is what happening in india as commentators always goes for batsmens rather than bowlers in life less indian pitches,good that atherton pointed out bowlers even though raydu played well . england is short of 3 bowlers clearly it is visible they need to pick another front line bowler .

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 30, 2014, 17:08 GMT)

All the best Team iIndia. High time they give chance to samson and yadav.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 17:08 GMT)

@Hjaltibonhoga There are not too many issues with this Indian attack. Keep in mind even in 2011, Indian bowling was not great. Only once did they manage to keep respectable side under 250. It was Indian batting that lifted the cup for them in 2011. And it will again be the same situation. India kept scoring big in World Cup and they will have to do that again. In late Australian summer, pitches will be flat and will offer assistance to spin. There will be bounce on some pitches and some seam movement. But largely it will be flat tracks there as well. For India, their might be some changes at the top order. There is remote chance of a change in middle order. But largely, this batting attack is good enough to take on anybody in ODIs. Dhawan might not be in starting 11 in World Cup, but that is about it. Two players from Aaron, Umesh Yadav and Kulkarni will be in the team. Not all 3. But rest, you have India's world cup team right there. And in ODIs this is formidable side.

Posted by bee-eer on (August 30, 2014, 17:08 GMT)

England beat a woefully poor India in the test series and now now India are beating a woefully poor England in the ODIs. Do not read too much into these results as the teams that lost are just not interested in these forms of the game.

Posted by yogicoolboy on (August 30, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

Well Played Raydu and team India. Shastris presence has help team India Improve immensly. Hope he continuos and India does well in test series also. Good luck go for 4-0

Posted by Cricsupernova on (August 30, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

Some excusers said that india because of flat track,they are flat track bullies,but mind it indian subcontinent is totally flat,where above 80% of cricket fans watch cricket,their life is cricket.fast track is n't only belongs to cricket game,flat tracks also.it is just because of climate difference

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

Mohit Sharma did a great job running out Ian Bell, even taking Suresh Raina by surprise. Actually Suresh Raina showed such a lack of Cricket sense, he was not even waiting for a good throw from Mohit. If Mohit's throw was even an inch off target, Suresh Raina was not in position to catch it and run out Ian Bell, who was at least a yard short of safety.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 16:57 GMT)

One has to admit Swann was right & probably understated his case, from 'cat in hell's chance' he could now extend his punditry fluency with 'candy from a baby'. I really have no idea how Cook & the ECB turn exciting players like Hales & Buttler into plodding dullards. From the 15th to the 42nd over there were only two boundaries. The England MOM was Tredwell by a mile with 10 overs for 46 and he hit 30 off 22 with 4x4 and 1x6 with a strike rate of 166! A total of 17 boundaries in the entire innings, India hit 23 & they weren't really trying, they didn't have to, they had 42 balls to spare. Cook will doubtless find lots of positives in this sad spectacle, but I'm sure many English fans went home form Trent Bridge vowing not to waste their money again.

Posted by realfan on (August 30, 2014, 16:53 GMT)

some positives from this match... rahane : he is a gifted players , isnt he... a pitch where stroke making is difficult and you see rahane timing the ball so well with those classy text book drives... he is a gem and i hope he continues to open in this series and scores his maiden ton kohli : yeah... he is back.... he is an altogether different player when it comes to ODI.. and he rules in this format... that six he got of treddwell would have made millions of his fans ( including me) happy.... he is due for a big one here.... rayudu : i somehow feel he is emerged to international arena too late.. he is experienced playing on difficult tracks of baroda , and he is making his opportunities count Aashwin : he is very good bowler he restrict himself from bowling those so called variations, goo this is that he is going back to basics... ROHIT: yes , our very famous hidden talent rohit, glad that he is injred and hope he doesnt recover till some other talented player fills his place...

Posted by PeerieTrow on (August 30, 2014, 16:46 GMT)

@Dipang Patel: I think you need to acknowledge that this India team isn't actually better than England, they are just less bad. England lost this game as much as India won it. Listen to Sourav before you start crowing. England were overrun by a set of mediocre spinners on a wicket that hardly provided any turn. This is a good wake up call for England with 16 ODIs to experiment in before the world cup. If this India team believes it's still world champions then that works for me because that level of complacency will come back to bite them.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (August 30, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

Well played to India! An easy win against a side that really hasn't a clue how to play this format. All India had to do was perform competently and the match - from a very long way out - was won & lost. The idea that England is any force whatsoever and can genuinely compete in the upcoming WC is risible. Selection, captaincy, performance levels (with just one or two exempted from criticism) - all are timid. There's no real spark in this Eng set up. Part-time spinners, toothless in TC, can sedate the cream of Eng's batting (Jadeja 1/38 in 10; Raina 1/37 in 8) and Ashwin, a genuine spinner, (3/39) is so difficult, so perplexing, that all the clever batting in England's middle order were made to look like novices. A number of people have been saying that Eng really needs to have a radical rethink. They're right. This side is going nowhere. Some players are coasting in the comfort zone of being on a contract. That's not right. I wouldn't have paid a fiver to have watched this mismatch!

Posted by suchet7gmail.com on (August 30, 2014, 16:42 GMT)

Whether the wickets are slow or fast, India is a very good ODI side. Test and ODI are totally different formats and the current Indian team is one of the best ODI sides. Dhoni's tactics, temperament and captaincy makes him the best in this format. England on other hand are very defensive in their approach. Cook lacks ideas and aggression required for this format. If Indian batting was a fiasco in recent test against seam and swing of Anderson and Broad, The English look totally helpless against Indian spinners as seen in these two odi's.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

India proved as a well balanced Team for one day against poor england. All the best indian team to get 4-0 win against england

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 16:40 GMT)

Awesome performance overall by Indians but the killer instinct is lacking. Bowling still looks doubtful as it's just part timer getting the job done. Need good special fast bowlers to attack. May be Varon and Yadav can be the key. Doesn't look like a world cup winning team.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (August 30, 2014, 16:32 GMT)

I guess other teams from subcontinent needs to learn how to score 300 in almost every game and how to chase target in odi..

Posted by ageas on (August 30, 2014, 16:18 GMT)

"There is not much wrong with the batting order at moment". I do love this quote from Joe Root

Posted by hiranya on (August 30, 2014, 16:16 GMT)

Congratulations Virat Koli for reaching double figures for the first time in few months. surely you will only be second to B. Kumar, who is the best batsman of the tour on batting average. there will be hundreds of news paper articles on your forty runs.

Posted by LK-LadyCric on (August 30, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

Go INDIA! :D Dhoni is a favorite player and to see him fail is hard. A win in the ODI series will stop the haters hating for a while. #SriLankanFan.

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (August 30, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

@LilianThomas : looks like you're having hard time accepting that India is just simply better team when it comes to ODI. If England was in a winning position, you would've said England is winning because they are better than India and India is an overrated team. Blah blah blah... ODI still tests skills, but it's just different than Test matches. England is far behind India when it comes to ODIs.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 16:08 GMT)

It looks as though India could field any 11 players to beat England in ODIs. Poor Stokes - his last 5 innings for England have yielded 25 runs.

I still ask how Samit Patel can be left out of such a mediocre side.

Posted by hiranya on (August 30, 2014, 16:06 GMT)

This time for India. India is the best of the last five, beating England and doing very well than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Posted by Retour on (August 30, 2014, 16:03 GMT)

Dhoni had gotten in to the habit of not learning from his mistakes. In tests, he played Pankaj Singh ahead of the pacy Varun. Playing Pankaj to complement the tired Bhuvi and struggling Shami gave Eng the opportunity to claw back. In the ODIs, Dhini has left the pacy Yadav out! With so many part-timers in the side to cover up for bad form of bowlers on the day, ideally both Yadav and Varun should be playing with a focus on picking up wkts

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

All the R's have done well so far! Rohit, Raina, Ravindra, Ravichandran, Rayudu and Rahane

Posted by guru100023 on (August 30, 2014, 15:49 GMT)

I am supporting india but I must say flat track bullies at it again...... y is England playing on such pitches I don't understand....they wont get such pitches playing in india or the world cup for that matter

Posted by sudharshan3105 on (August 30, 2014, 15:46 GMT)

Until Raina arrived at the crease, the RRR was between 4.5 and 4.6, but from then, it has been constantly dropping and is now 3.65 ... talk about the effect of a batsman in form!

Posted by Rajesh.Kumar on (August 30, 2014, 15:44 GMT)

@LillianThomson on (August 30, 2014, 14:34 GMT): you write that "Really, any form of the game where you can win without having decent bowlers is pointless". Fair enough, this simply means that ODI and T20 cricket is not for you. So instead of continuously feeling sad about this form of cricket, why don't you just stop watching/following these forms of cricket? I find test cricket to be a luxury (in terms of time), which a modern society cannot afford. So test cricket isn't for me, and I don't care how poorly India does in that. You should adopt a similar attitude towards ODI/T20 cricket and move on in life...

Posted by yogesh.gg on (August 30, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

electric_loco_WAP4 : So when SL barely won ODI series 3-2 against same english side , they were world beaters and now suddenly when india are giving them some beating , they have become woefully struggling now ? Your incisive analysis of the game is always amusing.

Posted by wapuser on (August 30, 2014, 15:43 GMT)

This team is work in progress. Given time the will succeed. Its a young indian team. This is the format in which they do excel. Only wish they could take test cricket seriously.

Posted by bobmartin on (August 30, 2014, 15:40 GMT)

And the kicked Bopara into touch for one of these "all-rounders"...

Posted by its.rachit on (August 30, 2014, 15:37 GMT)

@lillian thomson - given mr. vaughan's average of 27 in 86 ODIs, he definitely did not lose sleep over ODIs ... too bad for him and for those who dont value ODIs .. well it is the most frequently played cricket match which is a fact ... and test cricket being better than ODi is a judgement ... i hope u know the difference between a fact and a judgement ....

Posted by JohnOfCourse on (August 30, 2014, 15:18 GMT)

Swann is actually the best kind of friend you could wish to have. He tells you the truth, evidence suggests you are a very effective test opening batsman but a decidedly average captain in both tests and ODI. If your country is to have any chance of competing in the next WC you should stand aside and allow someone else to at least give England a chance. It only takes good men to do nothing for Antipodean men to triumph.

Posted by neil99 on (August 30, 2014, 15:05 GMT)

England are pitiful. I wonder if the selectors will finally realise this is not the correct side? No. They'll carry on, loose another 10 games, then win 3 on the run and everything will be just fine as the players have "come good" - even though they've lost 10 of 13 games. Sound familiar?

Posted by snaidu2010 on (August 30, 2014, 15:03 GMT)

I am so tired of people making excuses as soon as India start playing well. Excuses like Eng dont care about ODI, or the pitch is a road. Eng is an international cricket team, so them not caring about ODI is not an excuse for them losing pathetically for the last couple of decades. Also as soon Indian batsmen start scoring, somehow the pitch becomes a road. No one notices that the other team scored only 227 on the same pitch. Kohli has a bad series, every good goes through it. Ponting had torrid time in India, doesnt mean he was a flat track bully. Kohli has scored all over the world in ODI as well as tests. So lets give the Indian team credit when they play well.

Posted by yogesh.gg on (August 30, 2014, 14:59 GMT)

@LillianThomson : Indian bowlers (spinners) subjugated English batsmen and who will decide whether they are decent or not ? Their records clearly indicate that they are decent lads if not top notch. Today India fielded pretty well too, Raina's catch was exceptional. Our fast bowlers may not be express pace but they know how to make most of their limited abilities. What are these qualities , if not cricket skills ? Are you serious ? Why is it so difficult to digest success of Indian team for everyone ?

Anyways if we are winning with mediocre players , what does it make English players then ? Its match between India and England , where India are clearly much better side. Accept it.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (August 30, 2014, 14:36 GMT)

To make a fair assessment of series so far a hitherto struggling outfit have been suddenly made to look good in ltd over series by a team out of its depth.This is a pretty mediocre Ind team but what worked in their favour is a Woeful,struggling home team.

Posted by LillianThomson on (August 30, 2014, 14:34 GMT)

It's really sad what ODIs have become.

The first 5 World Cups - including India/Pakistan in 1987 and Australia/New Zealand in 1992 - tested the cricket skills of players.

Now they play on these docile pudding wickets and circus skills count for more than cricket skills. A player like Kohli who clearly can't cope with the moving ball in English Test conditions can cash in on a flat wicket where the ball moves at a glacial pace.

It's a sad, sad spectacle. And a waste of a day's time to watch it.

I heard Graeme Swann and Michael Vaughan on TMS a couple of weeks ago explaining how they never got excited or nervous about ODIs on matchday like they did about Tests because they knew it was a lower form of the game.

Really, any form of the game where you can win without having decent bowlers is pointless. And it appears that India will cruise home today because their mediocre trundlers were enough to account for an England batting order with only a couple of proper batsmen.

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 13:52 GMT)

As the article says, Jadeja/Rayudu/Raina - the main spinners for India bowled really well. The rest of the bowlers got lucky.

Posted by henchart on (August 30, 2014, 13:36 GMT)

Indians are a better ODI side than England and should win this match to take an unbeatable lead in the series.

Posted by Cricsnake on (August 30, 2014, 13:24 GMT)

Nice bowling display from India. Indian spinners were outstanding; specially on English soil. Bowlers did their job extremely well. Now it's batsmen's turn. Hope they could seal the victory. Wanna see a good fight from English pacers too. Anyway seems India having the momentum. Good Luck !

Posted by vsprabhu01 on (August 30, 2014, 13:20 GMT)

After seeing two innings of Fast bowling from India, I doubt these three will do the job in Australia, we definitely need Umesh and Aaron in the Team. Either one of them should play in the eleven with Bhuvanesh and Shami. Fast bowling squad should be Bhuvi, shami, Umesh, Aaron, Mohit and Dhawal Kulkarni. With Bhuvi and Shami sharing initial power play and with Bhuvi and Umesh sharing middle power play and final 5 between Umesh and shami. Replacement should be mohit for Bhuvi, Kulkarni for shami and Aaron for Umesh should do good in Australia. Also faster they start using Yorkers, they will fare better, but right now i am not seeing enough yorkers or change of pace being delivered even at tailenders and against the likes of Maxwel, Faulkner, Miller, Butler, AB, T.Perera, Mcullum, Anderson, Pollard, Maqsood it is going to be nightmare at Australia

Posted by Jalz007 on (August 30, 2014, 13:19 GMT)

India in a very good position to win this one day! It will be a nice turnaround, especially after the kind of pasting they took in the test matches! Time to re-affirm their Champions tag in One dayers! Go India Go!

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 13:12 GMT)

no carrom bowls from ashwin.

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (August 30, 2014, 13:09 GMT)

India are playing well but I somehow feel they should have played Umesh Yadev. Really require a fast bowler in the playing 11

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 13:08 GMT)

The only difference is the fielding..Ashwin would go to dhoni and ask for Raina as a close in fielder in tests.

Posted by realfan on (August 30, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

i am not csk fan.. but this csk guys are awesome... runout, stumping, century, wickets, catches.... a package indeed.... good to see this complete performance... india has not lost an odi in england from last 6 matches.. hope they make it 9.... and i smell virat special today with the bat... he was brilliant in fielding today

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 30, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

Tredwell has saved a few blushes at least, but still not good enough from England's batsmen I feel. India should chase this easily. Expecting runs from the likes of Stokes and Woakes in this format is futile; if neither contributes enough with the ball, it really does strengthen the arguments that England are simply wasting precious slots with payers who should not be playing in this format.

Spinners and slower bowlers topping the rankings in short formats; perhaps the time has come for England to experiment more with the likes of Ali, Rashid, Patel, Bopara, Briggs... Batting-wise, I can see the shouts for Taylor, Roy, Vince etc. rumbling on throughout this series and beyond unless some of the regulars show some crucially-needed gumption.

Posted by Nampally on (August 30, 2014, 13:03 GMT)

Spinners again reigned supreme with 6 wkts. following their 7 wkts. in the ODI 2. But it is still inexplicable why Umesh Yadev is benched again in favour of Mohit Sharma. Dhoni keeps moaning that he has no good pace bowlers. When one bowling at 140 KPH is benched then it is Dhoni who is revels in excuses to cover his selection blunders. Ashwin, who was benched for the first 3 tests, was the leader with 3 for 39 in 10 overs. With a new opening combo it remains to be seen whether India gets a better start. After the England innings, India is well placed & hope Kohli will break his spell of "Golden Ducks" with a good score this time. India needs better showing from their top 4 so that the best finishers in ODI- Raina & Dhoni- can apply their swash buckling finish. So far Shastri has got his wish list with the team playing much better in all departments of the game. Hopefully they will keep up their winning streak with another win ODI 3. Good Luck.

Posted by Hanumall on (August 30, 2014, 13:00 GMT)

Will there be suggestions now that the English players should play in the Ranji trophy matches in India to sharpen their batting against spin?

Posted by   on (August 30, 2014, 12:57 GMT)

R ashwin and jadeja is a deadly combination in the shorter versions of the game. Raina has massively improved his bowling in the recent times. We too saw it in t20 World cup. Whenever ppl start critizising india ,a turnaround is waiting somewere. Now the onus is upto the batsman to perform,eager to see shikkar and kohli back among runs.

Posted by FiGhtCluB_99 on (August 30, 2014, 12:45 GMT)

B.Kumar bowled 6 overs in the first 11. Bowled his 7th in the 35th over, and his 8th in the 50th. Dhoni should manage his bowlers better.

Posted by grahaam on (August 30, 2014, 12:44 GMT)

It is sad that Indian fans most of whom reside in England, should boo an English player , who by his cricketing reputation is respected across the cricket world.

Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (August 30, 2014, 12:33 GMT)

All smiles in the England balcony at the moment when the score is 202-8...May be they aré laughing about their own team ?may be not...Who knows..god only knows

Posted by CrICkeeet on (August 30, 2014, 12:31 GMT)

Moeen Ali... Bring back Moeen Ali.. England might missing this man!

Posted by FiGhtCluB_99 on (August 30, 2014, 12:10 GMT)

Good to see Finn back, but surprised to see Stokes playing ahead of Bopara. Morgan, Hales and Bopara are England's best limited-overs batsmen. I'd like to see Bopara, Kieswetter, Ali in the team next match. Same with India - Uthappa should be in the ODI team in place of Dhawan who is out of form.

Posted by RD_CricFan on (August 30, 2014, 11:52 GMT)

My fellow indians dont be so critic of ur country. One who is not playing always look like a best batsman but believe me the one who r playing r the best batsman n give them full support

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 11:47 GMT)

people talking about dhoni's keeping in test..please watch this match.

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 11:42 GMT)

in an ironic twist of events I believe the thing that will change englands fortunes against spin is to allow their players to play in the ipl.

Posted by Parousia on (August 30, 2014, 11:36 GMT)

My God, England sure as hell cant play spin well.. They are even struggling against modest part-timers like Rayudu & co.. This is a surprise! Just ridiculous how the english batsman are playing the spinners.. They are making Raina look like a frontline spinner! At this rate 230 might be a good score

Posted by Parousia on (August 30, 2014, 11:35 GMT)

My God, England sure as hell cant play spin well.. They are even struggling against modest part-timers like Rayudu & co.. This is a surprise! Just ridiculous how the english batsman are playing the spinners.. They are making Raina look like a frontline spinner! At this rate 230 might be a good score

Posted by neil99 on (August 30, 2014, 11:28 GMT)

England reeling and requiring Bell to deliver. Oh dear...

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 11:25 GMT)

And suddenly India is a very tough team! Feeling Proud- Indian Fan

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 30, 2014, 11:21 GMT)

Part-time spinners wreaking havoc one again; England batsmen clueless. Nice to see Finn-knee there, but Stokes and Woakes both in the side...

120 for 4 wickets = hard to look beyond yet another embarrassing defeat for England, and ECB will do absolutely nothing about it. Same team will take to the field for next game(s).

Posted by Parousia on (August 30, 2014, 11:14 GMT)

england will win.. This is an easy pitch

Posted by crindo77 on (August 30, 2014, 11:11 GMT)

Mohit Sharma part of the extensive MSD-CSK quota club. I've never seen anybody since Vinay Kumar huff and puff so much while bowling 135 kmph. In Oz they'll be lining up to line him up. And now he's gone off injured as well. This is where James Anderson is admirable; more than skill his fitness. Plays more than 10 tests every year all around the world, bowls bulk of overs, takes wickets, wins games.

Posted by subratachakrabarty on (August 30, 2014, 10:41 GMT)

Mark my words, it will be a repeat of test series. England will win all three ODIs. They have started well. In this pitch, if they go past 275 mark, Indians will find it hell of a mountain climb to win the game. History is gonna repeat. First test drawn::first ODI washed out; 2nd test won by India::2nd ODI won by India. Although its ridiculous to think that way but we aren't left with much choice, do we???

Posted by Charlie101 on (August 30, 2014, 10:14 GMT)

So pleased to see Steven Finn back . I hope he does take a few wickets and that they are the big wickets like a Dhoni .

Posted by HarryCS on (August 30, 2014, 10:07 GMT)

Sad to see India is not playing fast bowlers like Varun aaron, Ishant Shar Umesh Yadav and playing Mohit Sharma who has not speed, variety in this bowling

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 9:58 GMT)

india should play yadav in place of mohit for early wickets...mohit is totally harmless for english batsman.

Posted by wapuser on (August 30, 2014, 9:55 GMT)

Young promise Sanju Sampson could have tried in this match in place of Rohit as he can open the innings.

Posted by android_user on (August 30, 2014, 9:44 GMT)

sad for sanju samson

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (August 30, 2014, 9:35 GMT)

Finn will get wickets. my prediction is 3. but he will give away buckets loads of runs. I mean comparaed to whatever England score is, that is.

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