England v India, 4th ODI, Edgbaston

India pile pressure on Cook

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September 1, 2014

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Tuesday, September 2, 2014
Start time 10.30am local (0930 GMT)

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It feels like only a few weeks ago that Alastair Cook was batting off questions about his form and captaincy. In fact, it was only a few weeks ago. This time, however, it seems unlikely that India will roll over to have their tummies tickled, as happened in the Tests. They cannot be beaten in the ODIs and could claim a first bilateral series victory in England since 1990 with a third consecutive win at Edgbaston.

It was in Birmingham last summer that India lifted the Champions Trophy, after MS Dhoni stuck an Ishant Sharma-shaped spanner in England's well-oiled machine. Since then, England have lost 12 out of 20 completed one-day games and the failure to beat India will extend their run without a series victory at home (the last was against Australia in 2012) into a third year. At the start of a lengthy one-day run-up to the World Cup, England are struggling to go through the gears.

That will not be a surprise to those who have watched the two preceding matches against India. On both occasions, a modestly encouraging start against seam was rapidly and disconcertingly stalled by spin. England appear so buttoned up during the middle overs that it is a wonder any of the batsmen can bend over to take guard. The mid-innings longueurs were once accepted as a period when runs came at a trickle of ones and twos; now, with only four men outside the circle, there is a clear imperative to score boundaries as well. England are proving inept on both counts.

On Monday morning, the ECB tweeted a picture of batsmen practising in the nets against Merlyn. As Sidharth Monga has pointed out, the least they can do is try to disrupt India's spinners and force Dhoni to think about his strategies. The World Cup may take place in less spin-friendly environs (and it might be expected to turn again at Edgbaston) but, the way things are going, England will find two spinners deployed against them whether they are in Christchurch or Adelaide.

Plenty has gone right for India so far and Dhoni might appreciate a sterner examination of his team's credentials before they return home. Cook will doubtless internalise the criticism, Ned Flanders-style, and prepare with even greater resolve to build the platform so beloved of England's strategists. It is tempting to imagine him practising his best Frank Sinatra impression in front of the bathroom mirror, visualising the hoped-for day early next year when Cook can tell everyone England did it his way.

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Players to watch

The Test series were a feast for Joe Root but he has been subsisting on a meagre diet in coloured clothing, managing 121 runs at 17.29 in ODIs this summer, since making his maiden century in the format on England's pre-World T20 tour of the Caribbean. Coming in a No. 4, Root is viewed as being able to provide both solidity and a scampering increase in tempo. Little more than a year ago, he averaged 55.22 at a strike rate of 87.80 but both are heading in the wrong direction. Needs to prove England would be more stolid without him.

Things were beginning to look up for Virat Kohli at Trent Bridge, the ground where his bleak tour began with scores of 1 and 8 in the first Test. Aside from a half-century against Middlesex, his 40 in the third ODI is Kohli's highest score in more than two months in England. He still managed to get himself out in frustrating fashion, however, flicking a half-volley straight to mid-on and then receiving a send-off from England's soon-to-be-trounced bowlers. Kohli has only three more innings, at most, to leave a reminder of his quality.

Team news

Cook's diagnosis after going 2-0 down the series was that the blueprint was sound but England needed a more solid foundation. If they want a banker for a top-order anchor, then it might be time to turn to Gary Ballance, who made 61 for Yorkshire when released for the Royal London Cup last week. Moeen Ali could also return to ODI pyjamas and attempt to burst India's bubble again, possibly at the expense of Ben Stokes.

England (probable) 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Alex Hales, 3 Ian Bell/Gary Ballance, 4 Joe Root, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Moeen Ali, 7 Jos Buttler (wk), 8 Chris Woakes, 9 Steven Finn, 10 James Tredwell, 11 James Anderson

Aside from the need to assess Mohit Sharma's foot injury - he was restricted to bowling just three overs at Trent Bridge - India could well be unchanged. Umesh Yadav and Dhawal Kulkarni provide pace-bowling options if Mohit is not passed fit.

India (probable) 1 Shikhar Dhawan, 2 Ajinkya Rahane, 3 Virat Kohli, 4 Ambati Rayudu, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10 Mohammed Shami, 11 Mohit Sharma

Pitch and conditions

The pitch for the Sri Lanka ODI, which England lost by six wickets, was slow and tacky, with Angelo Mathews employing his spinners for almost 30 overs. There is expected to be more grass on this surface and England will hope it is less hospitable for India's slow bowlers. The forecast is for dry weather and ticket sales have been good, so expect another lively atmosphere with support for both sides.

Stats and trivia

  • India have won four of their seven ODIs at Edgbaston, the most recent being their Champions Trophy final victory over England.

  • Alastair Cook passed 3000 ODI runs during the third ODI, only the 13th Englishman to do so.

  • MS Dhoni needs one more win to become India's most successful captain in ODIs. He is currently level with Mohammad Azharuddin on 90.

  • Ravindra Jadeja (31) and R Ashwin (30) have taken 61 wickets at 20.79 between them against England. Only Harbhajan Singh (36) and Javagal Srinath (35) have taken more for India in ODIs.

Quotes

"Fifty-over cricket isn't quite the same as people just walk out and whack it. The best sides don't do that either."
England coach Peter Moores defends his side's method

""I don't know how you keep track of his records, but he is not known for [keeping an eye on] his records. Only with evolution of Twitter he is learning about his records. Apart from that he doesn't bother about it at all.''
According to R Ashwin, Dhoni will not be celebrating if he breaks Azharuddin's mark

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Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 9:20 GMT)

One expect Bell to get dropped but not on his home ground. If England lose today will Cook then do the decent thing and step down from rhe ODI squad?

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 9:20 GMT)

I actually feel bad for Umesh Yadav..He probably deserved Mohit Sharma's slot in the team..

Posted by pritamdas_circ on (September 2, 2014, 9:01 GMT)

India must win this series 4-0 keeping WC in mind. Although the Test defeat won't become any less shameful with this. But WC is nearing and we have to be a more stable ODI side, which we are not at the moment...4-0(5) in NZ was a shame. We need to include/replace 3 to 4 players for World Cup, Dhawan-Rohit opening pair has ZERO hopes, I think Rahane should continuously open from now on. I would like to see Yuvraj back for WC but he isn't playing cricket at the moment, he should be, he must not lose temperament and fitness. Pace bowling unit needs sincere attention... alongside Bhuvi, Umesh and Varun should be polished for WC.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 2, 2014, 8:53 GMT)

@Farhan Sadik Riad on (September 2, 2014, 7:16 GMT) Bres was terrible last series he played for Eng but agree he could do no worse than Stokes. Re Bopara - I wonder if he is carrying an injury niggle? In the last 50 over game for Essex he didn't bowl an over. If he can't bowl he is not worth the place IMO Re Wright - I like the guy but he's rarely performed for England so I reckon Hales deserves his chance above him Re Kieswetter - injured/unavailable

Posted by JG2704 on (September 2, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

@CodandChips on (September 2, 2014, 6:26 GMT) He has played one OD for Yorks and scored 61 at a SR of less than 70. The score is good but the SR poor. On a 300 pitch that IMO would do more harm than good. I know he has a great OD record/SR for Yorks which makes me think even more along the lines that it's because he plays test crickets and can't adjust - maybe because he is rarely playing any SF cricket. As I have mentioned before/elsewhere I am genuinely starting to worry that our test batsmen are showing an inability to adjust mindsets acc to the format they're playing or even if they've been advised to play that way. I'd genuinely consider ALL the test players from SFs

Posted by pandian_ikku on (September 2, 2014, 8:40 GMT)

I am surprised to see such a spin friendly pitches in England. You won't get bouncy pitches when you travel India.

Posted by ramli on (September 2, 2014, 8:30 GMT)

For an ODI, nobody wants a green top. Everybody wants a full match and hence this moderately challenging pitches. Still, you need skill to win, even on these surfaces!!

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 8:05 GMT)

Few questions do not have answers I guess; these are the questions I have;

1) How is that england pitches suddenly became so spin friendly? Dhoni too had mentioned after the 2nd odi that he was surprised to see so much spin in these pitches.

2) If england pitches are naturally not so slow and not turning then how come they are slow and turning for this ODI series? Who ordered for such turning pitches?

3) Why is that cook did not know these are slow and turning pitches before his team selection, means why there are not more spin bowlers in his team?

4) If england pitches are naturally slow and turning then why are there not more spinners in the playing eleven for england?

5) If england pitches are so slow and turning then how come england batsmen are so incompetent in playing spin bowling?

No doubt engalnd still played very poor cricket and india played better cricket but there are few issues as pointed above that are very baffling and do not seem to have any answers.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 7:48 GMT)

mohit sharma has to replaced by umesh yadav, mohit is always getting hurt after bowling few overs, mohit has some issue with his fitness. rohit is not there so i hope opening batsman will give good start.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 7:27 GMT)

Well Written article Alan - will have to follow you on twiiter

Posted by wapuser on (September 2, 2014, 7:26 GMT)

For england to win the matches they need to bring moeen Ali,who gives balance to the team as an all rounder and Anderson seems so tired to get into odi and give his best.so,get rid of him and I feel bopara was doing decent job with bat and ball than what woakes had done for england. And its so surprising varon aaron wasn't given a run in this shorter format considering his bullet speed bowling and WC is in Australia were conditions are more favourable for fast bowlers.shikar dhawan is not out of form he is lacking basics of foot works ,he isn't determined to stay at crease ,that's worrying and sanju Samson needs more time to be in team .karan , umesh ,naman should be given a chance and sanju for the last match . My playing 11 would be:- Naman,rahane,virat,rayudu,raina,dhoni,karan(for chances) /jadeja ,ashwin ,bhuvi(shud b rested)/ umesh,shami,mohit(if fit)/dhawal kulkarani. Best of luck india! Go india!

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 7:16 GMT)

Bopara & bresnan should b in in da odi squad... plz leave Ben Stokes out...3rd class player...where is Luke wright?? Jason Roy..kieswetter can easily play as a specialist batsman...I think poor selection let Eng down....

Posted by Rough_Fan on (September 2, 2014, 7:15 GMT)

England is no match to India in ODIs. So is Srilanka. Poor team gets beaten by India almost every time...

Posted by ITJOBSUCKS on (September 2, 2014, 7:10 GMT)

@Greatest_Game VK has scored more 100's than ABD in far lesser matches with greater IMPACT!!! ....I don't think ABD can even think of beating Kohli's record when it comes to chasing the target(check statsguru)....SA's choking has lot to do with the way ABD bats esp during run chase!!! BTW, Kohli's record in AUS(avg:53), Eng(avg: 41), NZ(avg: 59), SA(avg: 46) & has got poor record in a country(SL) where most of the pitches are FLAT!!!

Posted by ITJOBSUCKS on (September 2, 2014, 7:08 GMT)

@Greatest_Game VK has scored more 100's than ABD in far lesser matches with greater IMPACT!!! ....I don't think ABD can even think of beating Kohli's record when it comes to chasing the target(check statsguru)....SA's choking has lot to do with the way ABD bats esp during run chase!!! BTW, Kohli's record in AUS(avg:53), Eng(avg: 41), NZ(avg: 59), SA(avg: 46) & has got poor record in a country(SL) where most of the pitches are FLAT!!!

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 6:59 GMT)

Time for selection of reserve keeper for Dhoni, Shikar is not confident in his body language too, i dont think he can face world cup pressure with his uncertain mind.

Posted by indiaworldchamps2011 on (September 2, 2014, 6:41 GMT)

i think england shud get jos butler and hales in opening and get bopara down the order for the slog overs, ideally they shud have petersen openeing coz he is still their best ODI player but i dont think thats gonna happen so prbably jos butler is the next best oprion Indian fan(probably aparent anyway from my name)

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 6:40 GMT)

what ever maybe pitch or whoever play match, England will be winner it is fixed i,e, cricket

Posted by Jamie-1212 on (September 2, 2014, 6:39 GMT)

It's not even about playing a big shot to the spinner all of the time, its being able to rotate the strike every ball which gives you 6 an over and a score of 300. When the bad ball comes or if the balls in your hitting zone then put it to the boundary.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 2, 2014, 6:26 GMT)

@JG2704 Apologies it just occurred to me that Ali was in the preview team ahead of Stokes. I did think that you'd prefer Ali to Stokes, as you are one of the surprisingly few posters on here that have realised how abysmal Stokes has been in his England white-ball career to date.

What's your opinion re Ballance. Should he play? I know you don't rate him at all in ODIs (rightfully so after his previous performances). But do you think after his test summer he'll be more confident and play better? For me he just seemed unwilling/unable to up the tempo enough to merit a place in the squad. But I believe if a player is in this squad he ought to play. I hate how England messed Bairstow and Woakes around. And how will we know about his world cup suitability if he doesn't play?

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 2, 2014, 6:14 GMT)

@ ArunLal Varma believes "Sanju Samson needs be given at least one chance, he could be a reserved wicket keeper or specialist batsman…"

I really agree with you about Sanju, but he needs more than just 1 chance. Exceptional talent must be given a realistic chance to succeed.

SA has a history of identifying exceptional talent, bringing them in early, & giving them a good run. I can immediately think of 4 players brought at age 20 who struggled a bit to get going, but the Proteas kept faith until they fired, & took off. They are Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla and Quinton de Kock. We are talking as far back as 1995, & as recently as 2013.

de Villiers, Amla & de Kock all played U19 cricket (don't know if Kallis did). All were all targeted & given an early international start. Kallis took 8 tests to get going, but history shows that by giving him that chance SA got 18 years of service from one of the greatest ever. Those 8 tests became 166 tests - a pretty good investment!

Posted by gundapps on (September 2, 2014, 5:51 GMT)

Going by his performance for India A in the recent series in Australia, Karn Sharma deserves to be a regular in the India squad and also for WC 2015. He can even be included at the expense of a medium pacer in the next ODI. This way India can get in a minimum of 30 overs from the spinners who can even bowl in the death or PPs.

Posted by anver777 on (September 2, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

A good milestone to achieve, I wish Dhoni beats ENG in the 4th Odi & get pass that record, but at the same time I also want ENG to win today & keep the series alive & kicking !!!! For that to happen Eng need some serious changes in the playing XI !!!!

Posted by aravind3kc on (September 2, 2014, 5:41 GMT)

To England, If you not at all going to win the match,atleast give a tight fight. Getting out giving a catch to deep fielder is better than getting out to keeper or slip. Play attacking cricket vs indian spinners.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 5:36 GMT)

@sunil186 on (September 2, 2014, 4:27 GMT): Thanks for pointing it out. When the comments exceeded 1000 characters, I deleted point No. 2 in the England's list, which I thought was not a major issue (to fit the comments into the character limit). But forgot to change the subsequent numbering. Sorry.

Such oversights can be forgiven for a 75 yr old whose faculties are declining. I guess, it is not such a big deal ! Is it? Is it in the same category of a few areas the teams may consider seriously? Especially, when I would like to see both teams performing well, the result being just that...the result.

Thanks, anyway.

Cricinfo: Pl publish this correction, lest some may throw the baby out with the bath water.

Posted by ghostOf_DonBradman on (September 2, 2014, 5:30 GMT)

Everyone says Test cricket is Best...everyone says that England is trying everything to keep Test-cricket alive.... Now what Cook has achieved over the years, in Test cricket, as an opener is second to none. If Test-cricket is best then in the same breath Cook should have been the most respected cricketer in the World. He has everything in him to be successful in ODI cricket. Given English batting line-up he is the first batsman I would pick for England. His goal should be to maintain a strike rate of 80-90 and look to bat as long as possible...having said that I will continue to come to the dreams of English selectors and Cook will be given his space and time....cheers

Posted by jmcilhinney on (September 2, 2014, 5:25 GMT)

There has been a lot of criticism of Cook lately but I think that it's overshadowing some other issues for England. I have no issue, in principle, with Cook being in the team. When he's in form, he's capable of doing a good job for England. The main problem is that he's not in form. If he's going to lead the team to the WC, which I think that we have to accept is going to happen, then they have to keep playing him to try to get him in form. With all the pressure he's under though, I worry that he'll never actually get back into the form he could if he insists on continuing to captain the ODI team. There's more to the team than Cook though. No other batsman has really stood up either and the bowling has not been anything to write home about. Even replacing Cook with a younger player is no guarantee. Look at Buttler; he's full of promise but has only sparkled occasionally so far. Any replacement for Cook may well be the same.

Posted by vipinchirackal on (September 2, 2014, 5:16 GMT)

england is really a good team.but the problem is they are playing with the the best one day side in the world.england will play with india in the next world cup final and that will be the first time england raise the cup

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 2, 2014, 5:01 GMT)

It took Alistair Cook 84 innings to score 3000 ODI runs at SR 77.81. It took Hashim Amla 57 innings at SR 89.84, yet Amla is no slogger. Like Cook, he is an old-school stroke player, & never seems to be trying to score fast, yet amasses runs at astonishing speed.

Amla's success is simple - find the gap. His intent is not to slog, pull, hook, sweep, go aerial or play trick shots. He looks for gaps, & plays the ball there. His ONLY plan is to score. He takes nothing else with him but the intent to score off every ball he can, with no runs-per-over pressures. And it works! He has the highest ODI ave of any full-member player, ever, & was fastest to 2000, 3000, 4000...

Cook goes out encumbered with plans, formulas, & ratios, & is bogged down. He never looks to be playing with freedom. He seems intent on masterminding an invasion, not scoring. He needs to empty his mind, & bat like a batsman, not a strategist whose strategy is failing!

Clear mind, see ball, hit ball. And find the gap...

Posted by wapuser on (September 2, 2014, 4:52 GMT)

It will be same old story if India lose and england win... These two are the best the teams have now at least till this World Cup....

Posted by sunil186 on (September 2, 2014, 4:27 GMT)

@@@Jose Puliampatta: Your Blind spot:

Where is point number 2 in England Team Blind spots that u have mentioned.

P.S Never blame others when u r doing ur own sort of mistakes...

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 4:24 GMT)

About the england team; i personally do not think the team selection is the issue, the problem is playing properly. Cook and Hales did give a 50+ opening partnership in both the ODIs but the next batsmen could not materialize on such solid opening foundation. England batsmen simply do not know how to play against spin (even cook & hales too) so bringing in some new batsmen is not going to help. Who are these new batsmen who will come in to the team- are they good players against the spin? no agree? so how is changing the team is going to help i do not understand.

About the pitch issue; i really do not understand how england can prepare pitches suiting the touring team india? No where i see this type of trend. And if england pitches are naturally so slow and turning then i really do not understand why england does not have more spinners in their team and also why their batsmen are struggling so much against spin?

Very confusing, something is grossly amiss somewhere.

Posted by Sharath274 on (September 2, 2014, 4:17 GMT)

If the pitch is anything similar to the one SL played.. it wud be worth it to include Karn Sharma in place of Mohit. Have 3 regular spinners who all bowl differently against a line-up thats totally susceptible to spin.. also even if the ball is slightly new, bowlers like Ashwin & Karn can do well with their experience of bowling in PP in IPL matches. Dhawan can be given 1 more match max. but he seems to be going no where with the footwork as Saurav was pointing out.. he needs to overcome these small tenchincal issues.. or else bring in Vijay. otherwise the team looks settled and if they win this one, can think of giving some exposure in the last match to the fringe players like sanju & dhawal.

Posted by RanKan on (September 2, 2014, 4:01 GMT)

Looking forward to the match. I wonder what kind of track it will be?

Posted by WellwisherINDIA on (September 2, 2014, 3:46 GMT)

Nampally@ totally agree with you, Dhoni is one guy who is NOT proactive & is always happy to play with the same XI. Karn Sharma in place of Jadeja & Yadev in place of Mohit + SANJU SAMSON in place of Dhawan are 3 necessary changes to make the team better

Posted by Sexysteven on (September 2, 2014, 3:19 GMT)

England what to do with there team I prob try something diff drop Cook Morgan to captain move buttler to open with hales that would be interesting combo followed by ballance bell root Morgan Ali tredwell Finn gurney Anderson I would try that team and hope for the best at least that would be trying something no point in doing the same thing over n over again if England wana improve they got to try things outside the box something's will work and some won't but if you don't try u won't know

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 3:10 GMT)

Peter Moores' pic looks, he is playing the part of a good whistle blower without a whistle. Like a supposed to be a 'complete' team, without a good spinner. But who will blow the whistle about Peter Moores' own work with the team?

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 3:04 GMT)

Blind spots:

India:

1. Dhawan has been given a longer rope than he deserves.

2. Bhuvi looks tired. India may run him down to earth.

3. Ashwin is a good spinner, but can't get going if the pitch doesn't give any help.

4. Not brave enough to try out new hands like Naman or Sanju.

5. Coaching is with a crowd !

England:

1. Experienced guys are at sea. Including Cook & Bell. Broad is injured. Jimmy looks jaded. Whom will the youngsters look up during the match?

3. The new spinners (part time or full time) are no patch to Swann; let alone be in the class of Warne.

4. Cook's tactics are old fashioned. Peter Moores' moorings also appear to be rooted in the past. No one talks about Paul Farbrace; so it is difficult to say whether he can help the team 'brace' themselves 'far' into the future. So, one can't even say, 'Rob Peter to pay Paul', when it comes to switching coaching. Recalling Flower will be as bad as recalling KP.

Yet, can we look forward to a competitive game?

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 3:03 GMT)

Dhoni and management need to think about world cup 2014 in Australia more than this oneday series, so they must give chances to players in the17 member squad, specially Sanju Samson needs be given at least one chance, he could be a reserved wicket keeper or specialist batsman in Australia, he performed well in Australian recent tour & he is in form, this young gem must be looked after very well for the future

Posted by TRAM on (September 2, 2014, 2:02 GMT)

@Nampally, >>> Karn Sharma in place of Jadeja & Yadev in place of Mohit + Sanju Samson in place of Dhawan are 3 necessary changes to make the team better.

About 1 billion Indians know this except one person and his name Dhoni. IMO Karn Sharma could turn out to be a match winner - I guessing he would be, based on his IPL form and England weakness against spin. Similarly Samson would be a nice aggressive young blood in place of failing Dhawan. I thought Mohit had good slower ones but he disappointed. Yadav should be tried in his place.

Posted by rk_ks on (September 2, 2014, 1:57 GMT)

Tomorrow England wins and India loses, then Cook becomes the best captain and India becomes villains and people of India start asking make Ashwin captain, or open with Ashwin or Raina and kick Dhoni out of the team. Some people will also tell that Sanju Samson is the next Sachin Tendulkar. Is there an end to this. Lot of people who are commenting on a sporting team, be it Eng or India, doesn't even do anything except sitting at home and watching TV. They never even took a cricket bat. Only the captains know why they did that, and they are very well qualified than all of us who are commenting here to make decisions. And to absorb the pressue of thousands of people and concentrate on the game is not a joke. Cook and Dhoni both are very good captains and there is no need to replace either of them. If you think they are bad, you people go and captain, make the team win and then talk.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 1:56 GMT)

This is yadugiri sridhar from Boston (on vacation) haiks from Bangalore, Indians are gaining confidence after their debacle in Tests, It is hightime that S Dhawan need t0 be replaced by Sampson. Let him open with Rahane. There should not be any overconfidence for the players. India will win and wins the ODI series.

Posted by   on (September 2, 2014, 1:35 GMT)

Is Sanju Samson opening tomorrow?

Posted by Ronita on (September 2, 2014, 1:25 GMT)

It is time to bring the known England saviour Mr. Monty Panesar.. He can turn the tide..no body else

Posted by Greatest_Game on (September 2, 2014, 0:27 GMT)

"Kohli has only three more innings, at most, to leave a reminder of his quality."

Or, Kohli has only three more innings, at most, to confirm his quality when not at home on the batting friendly tracks of the SC.

Posted by jaguar7777 on (September 1, 2014, 23:31 GMT)

england's basic problems are identifying the players who could make a telling contribution at the top of the order.alex hales is fine but with due respect to his batting ability, alistair cook is an average odi batsman and would always be a thorn in england's progress .the most important thing england must do is to prepare a pitch helpful to their bowling strength and hope for the best.the loosers always tend to do introspection but ignore the reality that they are playing a superior opposition and against a terrific one day leader.alistair cook should retire from one day cricket and alex hales should open with jos butler to provide the necessary momentum england so badly need. the selectors should show their guts if they want england to do well even in the world cup.drop cook and choose an odi leader and i bet england will do well.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 23:13 GMT)

Today's squad

1. Rahane. 2. Dhawan (His last chance) 3. Kohli 4. Rayudu 5. Raina 6. Dhoni 7. Jadeja 8. Ashwin 9. Bhuvi 10. Shami 11. Yadav

Beat England with this squad, and for the last ODI, experiment with this team:

1. Rahane. 2. Samson (wk) 3. Kohli 4. Rayudu 5. Raina 6. Binny 7. Karan Sharma 8. Ashwin 9. Bhuvi 10. Dhawal Kulkarni 11. Yadav

Posted by Patchmaster on (September 1, 2014, 22:33 GMT)

Morgan should captain. Drop Cook. Ballance and Roy get picked and drop Bell. Anderson should be rested and replaced with Guerney.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 1, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

@ CodandChips on (September 1, 2014, 19:55 GMT) I was about to say that from the squad they chose this was the best side but I didn't notice the lack of Gurney. He should play for sure and I'd think about him coming in for Jimmy who loos a little jaded to me

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 21:35 GMT)

Indian team is more suited to ODI and T20. They look so happy, so relaxed. Body language is so positive. India team does not have mental capability to play 5 day Test matches anymore.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 21:05 GMT)

I want butler to open the inns with hales,axe cook & strokes bring moen ali & garry balance

Posted by jj1001 on (September 1, 2014, 20:42 GMT)

People keep complaining about Jadeja. Besides being a fantastic fielder, he can bowl 10 overs of tight bowling, can bat, and is left handed which India doesn't have too much. His bowling keeps up the pressure and that gets wickets for him and others.

Posted by jj1001 on (September 1, 2014, 20:21 GMT)

If the wicket does not have grass I think the only change should be Karn Sharma for Mohit. Karn sharma can bat too and has the variety in spin. Cricinfo has published that all named Sharma have been injured some time during the tour. Ishant, Rohit, and Mohit. So hope that doesn't happen to Karn. i don't think Sanju will get a chance yet. by the way Giri, Namana Ojha is not even in the squad.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 1, 2014, 19:55 GMT)

I also think Gurney should be in the team. It's ridiculous he's not playing. We need a white-ball specialist. I know Finn was unconvincing, but he needs another go. Woakes appears to have improved but needs to play the remaining games to fully convince me. Therefore Gurney in for Anderson or Tredwell, depending on the conditions (nb not dropping them, just rotating/experimenting).

I really don't want Cook in the side. He just hasn't scored the runs to merit a place. Perhaps replace him with Ballance, but open with Bell or Ali?

Hence for tomorrow (based on the squad): 1.Hales 2.Bell 3.Ballance 4.Root 5.Morgan 6.Ali 7.Buttler 8.Woakes 9.Tredwell/Anderson 10.Finn 11.Gurney

Obviously if the order needs changing to bring in Buttler/Morgan earlier, do it! Don't just leave the order the same. Don't want Ballance/Root walking out in the last 15 if Buttler/Morgan still to bat.

The only players close to making me reconsider me previously suggested world cup squad are Morgan and Woakes

Posted by CodandChips on (September 1, 2014, 19:52 GMT)

I've obviously voiced my concerns about this squad. Obviously this squad won't change mid series. But I think England could get better use of it.

England should be rotating, especially in a series which is purely about finding players to be in the world cup side.

Stokes should be discarded from ODIs for a long time until he shows some genuine improvement. I like him as a test bowler but in ODIs and T20Is his all-round game has been pathetic. The only remaining allrounder in the squad is Moeen Ali so he should come in. I was agianst him being in the squad but others have pointed out that I've been too harsh on him. Also he can hardly do worse than Stokes.

Big series for Root. If he doesn't deliver time to replace him with Taylor. I know England have lacked stability but Ballance at 4 would be ridiculous.

Hales should play his natural game or replace him with an accumalator who can accelerate at the end. Lumb would be an option.

(continued)

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 19:44 GMT)

As Graeme Swan says, get rid of Cook as captain and as a player in ODI, bring in Roy and the exciting players, I predict that Cook will not usurp Graham Googh's TEST total of runs, he will be out the team after the next ashes series

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 19:43 GMT)

I am 100% sure that those who want Binny in the final XI don't follow cricket regularly. They just blindly want him in team with his 1-2 good knocks. He is Sub standard for International cricket. He has batting avg. of around 30 and has taken very less number of wickets than first class matches he played. He is complete bits n pieces cricketer. Those who oppose this point of view will show their fingers to Jadeja. I request them to compare Jadeja and Binny's records.

My team tomorrow: Samson, Rahane, Kohli, Rayudu, Raina, Dhoni, Ashwin, Karn, Bhuvneswar, Dhawal kulkarni, Umesh Yadav

Dhawal kulkarni has improved a lot in past 2-3 years.

Posted by rkannancrown on (September 1, 2014, 19:34 GMT)

Hope the Indian team mangement thinks of the world cup & provides opportunities to new comers. Dhawan, Samson, Kohli, Rayadu,Raina, Binny,Karan, Ashwin/ Jadeja, Kumar,Umesh,Mohit could be a nice line up. Samson, Binny, Karn deserve some chances in England to judge their potential for Australi & the world cup.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 18:57 GMT)

I dont see this Indian team winning or even getting to knock outs with this playing XI. With al due respect to Raina, his 2 knocks were on sub continent like pitches against a sub par bowling attack who were listless with their lines & lengths. Against better bowlers like Mitchell Johnson & co, Steyn & co he will be a walking wkt. Shikhar Dhawan is really strtuggling. Rohit can never be relied upon, he may produce a million dollar knock today & a cheap knock for the next few matches. Kohli has raced the end of his purple patch. If he can work it out, then good. In this current line up only Rahane & Rayudu are playing well. Sanju should be in the XI keeping wkts or otherwise. In case of bowling wkt taking options-karn & Yadav, warming benches when Ashwin & Jadeja(they did well against England, but who are we kidding), it shoudl be Ash or Jadeja, not both with Karn/Mishra.Yadav should b playing instead of Mohit.

Posted by linjfan on (September 1, 2014, 18:47 GMT)

Total mystery to me why Moores, a total failure at international level, was reappointed. As you would expect he is now defending lame duck Cook to try to save his skin. The pair of them should be sacked and I honestly think we would be no worse off without a so-called coach and captain. They are totally devoid of ideas and guts.

Posted by Abbas67 on (September 1, 2014, 18:36 GMT)

What has Samson done wrong and Dhavan done right ? The only change India needs to get ... This is a very good looking squad for WC ... The team for WC should look like : Rahane Rohit Kohli Samson Raina Dhoni Binny Ashwin Bhuvi Shami Aaron ... Reserve 4 : Uthappa Rasool Kulkarni Irfan !

Posted by gudolerhum on (September 1, 2014, 18:27 GMT)

Should be a good match, weather permitting. England need to bring their A game if they are not going to be humiliated in this series. I think they got a little carried away with their success in the Tests and thought that India was going to roll over. Not so, this is their best format at the moment and they are out for revenge after a horrid summer in 5 day games. PS - the guy reading the clip at the beginning does NOT have an easy accent for non-Brits to understand. Clips his words rather too much and is not distinct in his delivery.

Posted by KaptainKool on (September 1, 2014, 18:26 GMT)

My team for tomorrow:

Sanju Samson, Ajinkya Rahane,Virat Kohli,Rayudu,Suresh Raina,Dhoni,R Jadeja,Ashwin,Bhuvaneshwar Kumar,Shami,Umesh Yadav

Posted by Nampally on (September 1, 2014, 17:59 GMT)

England had 3 most successful bowlers in Broad, Anderson & Moen Ali. Moen Ali was dropped for the first 3 matches & Broad is out because of knee surgery. So England does not have 2 of their 3 best wicket takers in the ODI's. With the return of Moen Ali England would have added some punch to their bowling. But India has added 2 new guys in Raina & Rayudu both strong attacking batsmen. If only India adds 2 new bowlers in Yadev & Karn Sharma India will also have greater wkt. taking ability. Dhoni is quite happy with his current bowlers as long as the team wins. But on a sharply spinners wkt. at Nottingham, Ashwin took 3 wkts whilst Jadeja had just one- same as the part time spinners Rayudu & Raina. Why Not Karn to add one more wkt. taker with his wristy leg spinners?. Mohit with his gammy foot is a liability- Why not Umesh Yadev? Here are 2 more "Why Not' s to Team Director, Shastri. If India continues to bat, bowl & field with the current intensity they will be hard to beat!

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 17:50 GMT)

I will replace Karan sharma in place of injured Mohit sharma. Since this is spin friendly pitch I will play three spinners and two seemers. I will clean up the series with 3-0 for sure by adding another inform spinner.

Posted by D-Coach on (September 1, 2014, 17:04 GMT)

Wish to have Team india for odi as follow. Samson, Rahane, Kholi, Rayudu, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Binny, Karan, Buvanesh, Umesh. Sanju could be the Future role model as Sachin in opening in all 3 formats. Rohit could play better and sensible in middle order to replace Rayudu. Binny place must be replaced by another fast bowling allrounder (Irfan, etc). Could be the best playing 11 for next WC 2015 if Team India can persist for a while.

Posted by vick2025 on (September 1, 2014, 17:02 GMT)

I really hope Umesh Yadav gets a chance in this tomorrows game and Mohit gets some rest. Another change that will help India can be replacing Dhawan with one of the new guys...Samson seems promising so he should also get a chance...well whatever the team compromise of, I hope there is good and interesting game to watch!

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 16:58 GMT)

India should play Narman Ojha as opener and give Binny a chance. Shikar can be rested.

Posted by True_Ind_Fan on (September 1, 2014, 16:45 GMT)

Cook can only release his pressure by giving away his spot to someone who knows ODI cricket and classical spin Attack!! Well, give it to anyone; I still feel England should play ODI only against BD, Zimbabwe( oh no!!), Ireland or may be Scotland!! No chance against India!! Yes, some loving FANs were saying this about India when India was losing against England in TESTs!!

Posted by S.Anand on (September 1, 2014, 16:41 GMT)

@ Nampally: What you are saying it makes sense. Let us see if India makes these changes. It will also be difficult for England to understand the new bowlers when they may be thinking that they can play the existing bowlers after the 2 losses. Dhawan should be dropped at any cost.

Posted by Nampally on (September 1, 2014, 16:12 GMT)

Luckily for India the newcomers replacing the Test squad's spineless batsmen, + the new Team Director Shastri have done wonders. Raina & Rayudu were the heroes of the 2 victories by bringing discipline & controlled aggression. Opener Dhawan continues to fail & I was glad to see the animated discussion Shastri was having with him on the Balcony after his another cheap dismissal. Dhoni is yet to act to make some positive changes to the bowling. Perhaps Shastri should work on Dhoni to induce some changes. Dhoni is one guy who is NOT proactive & is always happy to play with the same XI. Karn Sharma in place of Jadeja & Yadev in place of Mohit + Sanju Samson in place of Dhawan are 3 necessary changes to make the team better. Luckily the Shastri Mantra has worked so far. But other failing bats need to produce or give way to very talented benched guys. Indian batting is succeeding because in ODI's there is no slip cordon of 6. This is a golden chance for Kohli to return to form!

Posted by ullasjp on (September 1, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

I think their is nothing wrong england team.. its their mindset affecting them. Come out of it and play positive cricket. Definitely they'll do well. My xi Cook Hales Bell Root Morgan Bopara Buttler Finn Broad Tredwell Anderson. Once broad comes back their bowling will be more stronger.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 15:29 GMT)

Naman Ojha is in supreme form. Bring him in and make him available for the WC.

Posted by espnfan on (September 1, 2014, 15:24 GMT)

Anderson has contributed a lot to win test series but in ODI's he did not get any wicket and he is being whacked (3 fours in a row in 2nd ODI) so why do not England drop him and get Moeean Ali to get more spin against India? Tredwell is doing very good so Ali's inclusion might benefit instead of any change in XI. Anderson is very skillful bowler as Cook said but looks like lot of conditions need to apply i.e. must be a red ball, must be England pitch and must have lot of juice then he will bowl but if any thing is lacking then he might struggle.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 15:23 GMT)

If india wins this series..then they will b the toughest opposition to any team to beat in the world cup..

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 15:19 GMT)

It seems even despite of shastri and fletcher, dhoni still calls the shots. Umesh yadav was not picked for tests which was a major mistake. He is now picked for Odis but again benched in favor of Mohit Sharma, another CSK player. Varun Aaron should also have been playing this series, whereas he is not. It seems dhoni does not like express pace bowlers like Aaron and yadav. He likes o my 120+ kmph bowlers which are good only against weak opposition in swinging conditions. Moment u give them flat wickets, they are useless bowlers. In Australia and New Zealand flat wickets are expected with true bounce. No spin and no swing. Entire bowling lineup of jadeja, Ashwin, bhuvi, Mohit, shami is going to fail in World Cup. We need Aaron, yadav, zaheer, Mishra and Oza over there on hard and bouncy wickets. Hope shastri and selectors are listening.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 1, 2014, 15:14 GMT)

I also think Gurney should be in the team. It's ridiculous he's not playing. We need a white-ball specialist. I know Finn was unconvincing, but he needs another go. Woakes appears to have improved but needs to play the remaining games to fully convince me. Therefore Gurney in for Anderson or Tredwell, depending on the conditions (nb not dropping them, just rotating/experimenting).

I really don't want Cook in the side. He just hasn't scored the runs to merit a place. Perhaps replace him with Ballance, but open with Bell or Ali?

Hence for tomorrow (based on the squad): 1.Hales 2.Bell 3.Ballance 4.Root 5.Morgan 6.Ali 7.Buttler 8.Woakes 9.Tredwell/Anderson 10.Finn 11.Gurney

Obviously if the order needs changing to bring in Buttler/Morgan earlier, do it! Don't just leave the order the same. Don't want Ballance/Root walking out in the last 15 if Buttler/Morgan still to bat.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 1, 2014, 15:09 GMT)

I've obviously voiced my concerns about this squad.

Obviously this squad won't change mid series. But I think England could get better use of it.

England should be rotating, especially in a series which is purely about finding players to be in the world cup side.

Stokes should be discarded from ODIs for a long time until he shows some genuine improvement. I like him as a test bowler but in ODIs and T20Is his all-round game has been pathetic. The only remaining allrounder in the squad is Moeen Ali so he should come in. I was agianst him being in the squad but others have pointed out that I've been too harsh on him. Also he can hardly do worse than Stokes.

Big series for Root. If he doesn't deliver time to replace him with Taylor. I know England have lacked stability but Ballance at 4 would be ridiculous.

Hales should play his natural game or replace him with an accumalator who can accelerate at the end. Lumb would be an option.

(continued)

Posted by Dr.Vindaloo on (September 1, 2014, 14:55 GMT)

@Sundaram Ramaswamy: 'the lazy test format where margin for error is abundant'. How costly was Jadeja's drop of Cook at Southampton? It cost India their momentum, then their morale, then the match, then the series, then their reputation as a serious test cricket side. The consequences of errors in the test format can be multiples higher than in limited overs format.

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 14:49 GMT)

Many people, including well respected commentators, have pointed out that a top 4 including Cook, Bell and Root simply doesn't work in ODI's (one of them, probably Root, would be fine). Not enough power (and none of them can play spin). So far in this series, England have demonstrated the commentators are right, and we've been thrashed twice, partly due to inept batting (the first ODI also showcased the problem of having 4 virtually identical right arm seamers). Cook is a fine test player, and an adequate test captain, but he has as much feel for ODI's as Dhoni does for tests (none). He also seems to see every question about his ability in any given format as a personal attack, so here's another: "Alastair, don't put yourself in the T20 team as a bowler, you're not good enough". For similar reasons, don't play ODI's as a batsman.

Posted by hambat on (September 1, 2014, 14:30 GMT)

Would be much better for England if Bell drops down to No.5 and Morgan drops out altogether.

Posted by PPL11 on (September 1, 2014, 14:30 GMT)

With predicted side England now looks more complete side then they were at previous two ODIs

Posted by wapuser on (September 1, 2014, 14:28 GMT)

VK back in form for sure

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 14:28 GMT)

I guess there is nothing wrong with technique, foot work, Outside off anything, the only difference it seems is white and red ball, hope team india seal the series in edgbaston itself,,,,,

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 14:28 GMT)

England is the weakest of the two teams. Playing one day internationals need quick thinking and ability to adapt. The Englishmen seem to enjoy the lazy test format where margin for error is abundant. Technically they are incompetent as far as shorter versions of this game is concerned. Don't just batter captain cook, they have a bad coach too...

Posted by ahad555 on (September 1, 2014, 14:26 GMT)

good to see ali in 4 odd i. after this series cook should be drop from odd i squad. captain should be Morgan .

Posted by baji003 on (September 1, 2014, 14:21 GMT)

Samson captain ?? ., very funny., Dhoni & co is looking for experienced team., i dont think dhawan will be dropped neither rohith., They will continue,., 15 member to WC2015 will be., Dhawan,rohith,virat,rahane,rayudu/raina,Dhoni,Jadeja,Ashwin/binny,Bhuvi,Shami/ishant,Yadav/varun(mohith/kulkarni reserve bowlers),uthappa/vijay(3rd opener),samson/saha(2nd keeper) .,

Posted by   on (September 1, 2014, 14:21 GMT)

There are two kinds of excellent coaches in sport 1)A coach who can transform a rather average side into a good side Eg - David moyes,Duncan Fletcher, Dave whatmore..etc 2)A coach who can transform a good side into a great side - Gary Kirsten,John Buchanan, Pep Guardiola ..etc .....What India needed after Gary Kirsten was a coach who was as good as Gary or even better than Gary to keep improving the standards or maintain that level. BCCI should have made a more wiser decision than select Duncan as a coach...Duncan would be perfect for teams like Bangladesh,Zimbabwe,..even West indies.

Posted by Ramkulkar on (September 1, 2014, 13:59 GMT)

India missed out an opportunity to end Cook's Test Captaincy during the test series. Now we have another golden chance to end Cook's 2 C's :-One Day Captaincy and could be ODI Career. Bleed Blue !!!

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