England v India, 4th ODI, Edgbaston September 1, 2014

England ponder one-day puzzle... again

Peter Moores admits England have to work fast ahead of the World Cup but there is an all-too-familiar sense of chaos about their planning
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England need all-round improvement - Moores

It seems to be a characteristic of England cricket that, while other teams utilise the natural four-year cycle in the schedule to prepare their team for the next World Cup, the English react to the impending event like a long-married man who has forgotten his wedding anniversary.

Oh, they may rush to the florist and scribble a card. But the end result still tends to look ramshackle and hurried with a sense that they are hoping, rather than expecting, that things will turn out all right on the night.

The 2015 World Cup carries all the hallmarks, from an England perspective, of the five that preceded it. Six months out from the event, England are not sure of their tactics or their team. In a format of the game where role definition is so important, England do not know who will fill the allrounder positions - a month ago, you might have thought Ravi Bopara was a certainty. They do not know who will bowl at the death - the experiment with Chris Jordan may well be shelved. They do know who will bowl spin - Moeen Ali is likely to win another opportunity before the end of this series. And questions over the position of the captain will remain until Alastair Cook can start contributing more with the bat.

Suffice to say, after four ODI series defeats in five - and there is something of an irony in the fact that the series they won, in the Caribbean, came in a team sans Cook, when they were trying to provide extra opportunities to their T20 players ahead of the World T20 - they are not among the bookies favourites for the World Cup.

Peter Moores knows all this. He knows that he did not inherit a hand bursting with aces, after the retirement of Graeme Swann, the banishment of Kevin Pietersen and Jonathan Trott's illness. He knows the team are not playing well enough to win a World Cup. He knows he is running out of time.

"We've got to work fast," Moores said ahead of the fourth ODI of the series against India at Edgbaston. "We've got to accelerate the development of the team quicker than might be normal to get ourselves really competitive by the World Cup."

It was noticeable that, while Moores unambiguously backed Cook to lead England at the World Cup - "Yes, I'm confident he will" - he offered far less security to other players. In short, his message was, there are still places to be won in this side.

"What we're doing is we're trying to find a balance for our team," he said. "That's part of the process we're going through. We're creating opportunities and, if you play well enough and you show you can score consistently enough, you get to stay in the team.

"Our goal is to basically try to draw this series but also to prepare for a World Cup. To do that we've got to identify the right people in the right slots to play a brand of cricket that players feel they can deliver and be successful against the best teams.

"There's still time for people to force their way in. We've had a lot of change and that creates opportunity. We need to get enough experience in there but also there's a chance to try some different things. We've looked at different options and that helps you evaluate a side to play in that World Cup and win."

A substantial part of their problem is the form of the captain. While the value of England's ODI tactics can be argued either way - and the depth of feeling against their somewhat old-fashioned game plan does little to appreciate the danger of two new balls or England's success up to the end of the Champions Trophy - there is no avoiding the fact that, if they are going to field two technically correct accumulators in the top three, one of them has to go on and contribute a match-defining total.

It is not only 37 innings and 26 months since Cook made an ODI hundred, he has not reached 80 in that time either. If a player is going to devour the number of deliveries, particularly Powerplay deliveries, that Cook tends to devour, they really do have to produce something at the end of it.

But despite Cook looking in wretched form at Trent Bridge, Moores insisted the captain was inching his way back to his best. "I think his form is going the right way," Moores said. "If you come out of a Test match series averaging just under 50, you know you're starting to get back into some sort of form.

"He'll be the same as everybody else, in that in the last two games - after we've got off to two good starts - he'll be disappointed that he personally couldn't push on and get a more significant score. But he's hungry and his form is coming back. He's starting to hit the ball better.

"When he's in form, he's got his way of playing that can be effective in one-day cricket. It doesn't mean he's exactly where he wants to be, and I don't think we are as a side."

That is true. But Moores remains confident that it is not England's tactics that are flawed as much as their current failure to execute them. He remains unapologetic about preferring batsman such as Cook and Ian Bell to the likes of Jason Roy and James Vince.

"When you bat in any one-day international, the second part of it is when you increase your scoring rate," Moores said. "We have to score at the right rate for the pitch. There's been lots of talk about scoring 300, but that doesn't happen all the time. In different conditions you have to score what is a winning score on that pitch.

"You've got to have a balance in your team of people who strike the ball and also people that rotate, that's part of the job. You need to know you can create situations when some of your strikers, the Jos Buttlers of this world, have the freedom to play that sort of game.

"We know we have people who can score at a very high rate. Alex Hales at the top, then Eoin Morgan and Buttler. But to get to that point, you've got to get in and build an innings.

"The very best in the world are striking at 88, 89 in 50-over cricket. You can't really go much above that, unless you're batting in the bottom part and you're whacking it from ball one. Fifty-over cricket isn't quite the same as people just walk out and whack it. The best sides don't do that either."

This pitch should suit England. It has not been used for 14 months and is expected to provide little assistance to spinners and a bit more to seamers. With a 10.30am start in a distinctly autumnal September, though, it may well prove to be a bowl-first surface. The large crowd - more than 20,000 spectators are expected - might want to arrive in good time to see what may prove the key passage of play.

England's safety-first approach might not be popular but, on a seaming pitch in Birmingham, it may prove ideal. You might ask whether that bears any relation to the conditions anticipated in Australia, in particular, at the World Cup. But a drowning man probably doesn't worry about his pension.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • drsudsahi on September 2, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    rajesh brother,what happened to our indian cricket team invincibles in south africa when they were crushed 2-0 by sa and in newzeeland later by 4-0.how come suddenly they become invincibles suddenly by beating england 2-0 till now,may be 4-0. people like you will make indian fans look like a laughing stock. i am a genuine indian cricket fan but will love to appreciate other teams when they win against us as it is sports and doing that is sporting spirit,which people like u will be lacking

  • on September 2, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    None of the English batsmen, score at run a ball. Some of them are capable of the burst at the end, so is it any wonder England hardly ever score above 300, even when it is considered a par score today? He may be a good man, but a good strategist, he is not - certainly on the basis of evidence so far. Reading his comments on strategy, I am reminded of the proverbial ostrich with head in sand. Acknowledgment is the first step towards therapy - is it any wonder that England struggle? Their time-tested strategy has failed them, over and over again....

  • on September 2, 2014, 12:00 GMT

    We've gone downhill since Trott left the team, bring him back!

  • SettingSun on September 2, 2014, 9:36 GMT

    jackiethepen - Bell's strike rate is not good enough! Averages in ODIs are becoming less and less relevant. He does not have the change of gears or ability to consistently hit boundaries. England could maybe accommodate him but only if they find more players like Hales and Buttler - maybe by recalling Bopara and calling up Taylor, neither of which are going to happen any time soon.

  • on September 2, 2014, 7:29 GMT

    The basic problem with the English batting at present is that it is unbalanced. 3 accumulators in the top 4 is too many. Neither Root nor Bell has done anything in the series so far, so one (or both) should be dropped. I'd suggest playing Cook (assuming he plays) at no 3 where he is less likely to be batting in the initial powerplay overs. Bring in Roy to partner Hales. Morgan is a good ODI player currently out of form, but Ali, Bopara (who is a good middle order bowler too) and Morgan should be 4-6. Buttler at 7 and 4 bowlers. I don't think Chris Woakes or James Anderson will be any use in Australia, so go with Stokes, Tredwell, Broad and Finn.

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on September 2, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    Truth is England is a very good ODI team than Australia,SA,Srilanka..But unfortunately they are facing against an invincible India...thats the problem..i dont think any other problem with England ODI team

  • Rahul_78 on September 2, 2014, 5:55 GMT

    Englands approach of safety 1st comes ideally from home conditions where 2 new balls swing in the early part of the innings. It is not a flawed thinking to not loose too many early wickets and consolidate to accelerate latter in the innings. In that sense Cook is doing his job as an opener by seeing off the new ball. Any team will take the starts England have had in the series so far. The problem area for England starts from no 3 onward. Bell and Morgan have been biggest disappointments. After departure of KP and Trott it was up to these 2 guys who have ample experience and class to up their game which they have failed to do so far. The middle overs where spinners and medium pacers are in action you would expect your no 3,4 and 5 to milk the bowling and keep scoring at 5-6 runs an over and provide the platform for the likes of Butler to launch at the end. Cook as a skipper is debatable choice but it is unfair to question his place in the side when his senior colleagues are failing him.

  • perl57 on September 2, 2014, 5:13 GMT

    I well and truly wish Moeen Ali play next game coz it will truly show England they are not ready to even compete in qualifiers to the ICC world cup. A series success and they expect an off spinner to shine again and again against India in an ODI?

  • Ms.Cricket on September 2, 2014, 4:02 GMT

    Hey, Moores forgot KP the best person to play and captain the English ODI side at the moment!

  • Sexysteven on September 2, 2014, 3:37 GMT

    Yea Peter moores isn't the right man to coach England and Cook isn't the man to captain if those two are still in charge by the wc then they aren't going to get past the group stages with there tactics they will never pick the right team for the conditions they are just to conservative now would be agood time to experiment with diff tactics they have nothing to loose they look like loosing the series anyway so why not try stuff in order to find your strongest line up cos atm they have no idea what there best team is so try buttler as a opener see if he can do agilchrist type job hales can do a mark Waugh type role at the other end it's got to be worth atry I reckon if it don't work then you go back to Cook or bell

  • drsudsahi on September 2, 2014, 13:32 GMT

    rajesh brother,what happened to our indian cricket team invincibles in south africa when they were crushed 2-0 by sa and in newzeeland later by 4-0.how come suddenly they become invincibles suddenly by beating england 2-0 till now,may be 4-0. people like you will make indian fans look like a laughing stock. i am a genuine indian cricket fan but will love to appreciate other teams when they win against us as it is sports and doing that is sporting spirit,which people like u will be lacking

  • on September 2, 2014, 13:02 GMT

    None of the English batsmen, score at run a ball. Some of them are capable of the burst at the end, so is it any wonder England hardly ever score above 300, even when it is considered a par score today? He may be a good man, but a good strategist, he is not - certainly on the basis of evidence so far. Reading his comments on strategy, I am reminded of the proverbial ostrich with head in sand. Acknowledgment is the first step towards therapy - is it any wonder that England struggle? Their time-tested strategy has failed them, over and over again....

  • on September 2, 2014, 12:00 GMT

    We've gone downhill since Trott left the team, bring him back!

  • SettingSun on September 2, 2014, 9:36 GMT

    jackiethepen - Bell's strike rate is not good enough! Averages in ODIs are becoming less and less relevant. He does not have the change of gears or ability to consistently hit boundaries. England could maybe accommodate him but only if they find more players like Hales and Buttler - maybe by recalling Bopara and calling up Taylor, neither of which are going to happen any time soon.

  • on September 2, 2014, 7:29 GMT

    The basic problem with the English batting at present is that it is unbalanced. 3 accumulators in the top 4 is too many. Neither Root nor Bell has done anything in the series so far, so one (or both) should be dropped. I'd suggest playing Cook (assuming he plays) at no 3 where he is less likely to be batting in the initial powerplay overs. Bring in Roy to partner Hales. Morgan is a good ODI player currently out of form, but Ali, Bopara (who is a good middle order bowler too) and Morgan should be 4-6. Buttler at 7 and 4 bowlers. I don't think Chris Woakes or James Anderson will be any use in Australia, so go with Stokes, Tredwell, Broad and Finn.

  • Rajesh_india_1990 on September 2, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    Truth is England is a very good ODI team than Australia,SA,Srilanka..But unfortunately they are facing against an invincible India...thats the problem..i dont think any other problem with England ODI team

  • Rahul_78 on September 2, 2014, 5:55 GMT

    Englands approach of safety 1st comes ideally from home conditions where 2 new balls swing in the early part of the innings. It is not a flawed thinking to not loose too many early wickets and consolidate to accelerate latter in the innings. In that sense Cook is doing his job as an opener by seeing off the new ball. Any team will take the starts England have had in the series so far. The problem area for England starts from no 3 onward. Bell and Morgan have been biggest disappointments. After departure of KP and Trott it was up to these 2 guys who have ample experience and class to up their game which they have failed to do so far. The middle overs where spinners and medium pacers are in action you would expect your no 3,4 and 5 to milk the bowling and keep scoring at 5-6 runs an over and provide the platform for the likes of Butler to launch at the end. Cook as a skipper is debatable choice but it is unfair to question his place in the side when his senior colleagues are failing him.

  • perl57 on September 2, 2014, 5:13 GMT

    I well and truly wish Moeen Ali play next game coz it will truly show England they are not ready to even compete in qualifiers to the ICC world cup. A series success and they expect an off spinner to shine again and again against India in an ODI?

  • Ms.Cricket on September 2, 2014, 4:02 GMT

    Hey, Moores forgot KP the best person to play and captain the English ODI side at the moment!

  • Sexysteven on September 2, 2014, 3:37 GMT

    Yea Peter moores isn't the right man to coach England and Cook isn't the man to captain if those two are still in charge by the wc then they aren't going to get past the group stages with there tactics they will never pick the right team for the conditions they are just to conservative now would be agood time to experiment with diff tactics they have nothing to loose they look like loosing the series anyway so why not try stuff in order to find your strongest line up cos atm they have no idea what there best team is so try buttler as a opener see if he can do agilchrist type job hales can do a mark Waugh type role at the other end it's got to be worth atry I reckon if it don't work then you go back to Cook or bell

  • SagirParkar on September 2, 2014, 2:44 GMT

    Who is Moores trying to kid around here ? Having an average of just under 50 in the test series has no bearing on the quality of Cook's form really. Most of those runs came after 3-4 drops and India's generosity. His knock at Trent Bridge was equally laced with errors.

    In addition to this, his captaincy is still found wanting when the situation gets tough or the opposition start fighting back.. a 3-0 against the Aussies last year and 3-1 against the Indians this summer just flatter his 'captaincy'.

    The sooner Mr Moores and the ECB realise the hard facts, the better it will be for the team and their prospects at the World Cup.

    If only Cook was so darn stubborn about staying on as captain.

  • on September 2, 2014, 2:21 GMT

    As an overview: England still has some sold bats who can hang for the long run in test cricket and have large scores behind them on their own wickets. I think India still has some new comers who can last out in a shorter version and put on some quick runs - so there is a parallel in a way. Now, this is not to suggest that England will not be eventually running out of these batters in time while India will be intent on going back to the drawing board to see what is their real problem is on faster wickets.

  • amitgarg78 on September 2, 2014, 0:07 GMT

    None of the English batsmen, score at run a ball. Some of them are capable of the burst at the end, so is it any wonder England hardly ever score above 300, even when it is considered a par score today? He may be a good man, but a good strategist, he is not - certainly on the basis of evidence so far. Reading his comments on strategy, I am reminded of the proverbial ostrich with head in sand. Acknowledgment is the first step towards therapy - is it any wonder that England struggle? Their time-tested strategy has failed them, over and over again....

  • MasterBlaster100 on September 1, 2014, 21:59 GMT

    Tim Bresnan picked in T20 side. He goes for 8 an over in T20Is has shocking batting and bowling avgs. Who are the selectors? We need to know

  • jackiethepen on September 1, 2014, 21:13 GMT

    'Arguably' neither does Ian Bell - SettingSun? Well, what argument is that then? Since his recall in 2012 opening the batting with A. Cook he's been the best batsman in the side. Can't think he's none too pleased to have his record ignored in favour of a struggling captain. Once more he's the guy to be moved up and down like a yo-yo to fit another whim while Cook is immovable it seems. Disappointed in the coaching of Moores who is getting far less from the ODI team than Giles. However he is talking sense about tactics. While the notion of a t20 free-for-all batting seems to grip fans like a disease, he is talking sense about playing the conditions. What amuses me is that the same team quoted as playing so well in the West Indies then went on to be soundly beaten in the t20 world cup - remember this amazing team got thrashed by Holland? Funny how that is forgotten, eh?

  • CodandChips on September 1, 2014, 18:56 GMT

    ODI games are hard to plan for. Hence why all international teams balance their batting and bowling differently.

    ODIs are far from elongated T20Is but at the same time they aren't a 1 day test.

    I have voiced my discontent with the tactics. I've said before that you need some accumulators, but they need to be willing/able to up the tempo when required. Also Cook and Bell have not scored hundreds in a long time in ODIs. But surely that is the job of an accumulator, to bat through? How often do they last more than 30 overs? If they aren't going to bat long then surely they should score quickly.

    Glad Hales is in the side. But is he the guy to bat through? Why not play him as he plays for Notts. Pick Alex Hales to play like Alex Hales.

    Also certain selections shoot ourselves in the foot. Stokes over Bopara? No Gurney despite him being the specialist death bowler. No Lumb despite him batting through at a reasonable pace on debut.

    Results have been slipping but this has been ignored.

  • barryrichardsfan on September 1, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    Hales Carberry Bopara Root Morgan Buttler Patel Woakes Broad Anderson Tredwell. Reserves: Finn, Ali, Stokes, Taylor. Come on selectors, this aint that hard as it id made to look.

  • SettingSun on September 1, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Why does it have to be a puzzle? Why do our selectors, coach and captain consistently fail to see what is staring the rest of us in the face?

    There's no place for the likes of Alistair Cook and Joe Root in one day cricket any more. You need players who can start off an innings at over a run a ball, have enough invention to score quickly in the middle overs, and big hitters for the end. These two do not fit any of these categories and neither, arguably, does Ian Bell.

    They took away with one hand what they gave with another. They picked Hales. HOORAY! Oh, they dropped Bopara. Why?! Were his consistently impressive finishes and reliable medium pace bowling offensive to the management in some way? Absolutely ridiculous.

    It shouldn't be a puzzle. We have the players in this country to be genuine World Cup contenders. We just need to pick them. And we never will because we are, as ever in ODIs, three years behind everyone else in tactics and selections. It's completely depressing.

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  • SettingSun on September 1, 2014, 17:31 GMT

    Why does it have to be a puzzle? Why do our selectors, coach and captain consistently fail to see what is staring the rest of us in the face?

    There's no place for the likes of Alistair Cook and Joe Root in one day cricket any more. You need players who can start off an innings at over a run a ball, have enough invention to score quickly in the middle overs, and big hitters for the end. These two do not fit any of these categories and neither, arguably, does Ian Bell.

    They took away with one hand what they gave with another. They picked Hales. HOORAY! Oh, they dropped Bopara. Why?! Were his consistently impressive finishes and reliable medium pace bowling offensive to the management in some way? Absolutely ridiculous.

    It shouldn't be a puzzle. We have the players in this country to be genuine World Cup contenders. We just need to pick them. And we never will because we are, as ever in ODIs, three years behind everyone else in tactics and selections. It's completely depressing.

  • barryrichardsfan on September 1, 2014, 18:41 GMT

    Hales Carberry Bopara Root Morgan Buttler Patel Woakes Broad Anderson Tredwell. Reserves: Finn, Ali, Stokes, Taylor. Come on selectors, this aint that hard as it id made to look.

  • CodandChips on September 1, 2014, 18:56 GMT

    ODI games are hard to plan for. Hence why all international teams balance their batting and bowling differently.

    ODIs are far from elongated T20Is but at the same time they aren't a 1 day test.

    I have voiced my discontent with the tactics. I've said before that you need some accumulators, but they need to be willing/able to up the tempo when required. Also Cook and Bell have not scored hundreds in a long time in ODIs. But surely that is the job of an accumulator, to bat through? How often do they last more than 30 overs? If they aren't going to bat long then surely they should score quickly.

    Glad Hales is in the side. But is he the guy to bat through? Why not play him as he plays for Notts. Pick Alex Hales to play like Alex Hales.

    Also certain selections shoot ourselves in the foot. Stokes over Bopara? No Gurney despite him being the specialist death bowler. No Lumb despite him batting through at a reasonable pace on debut.

    Results have been slipping but this has been ignored.

  • jackiethepen on September 1, 2014, 21:13 GMT

    'Arguably' neither does Ian Bell - SettingSun? Well, what argument is that then? Since his recall in 2012 opening the batting with A. Cook he's been the best batsman in the side. Can't think he's none too pleased to have his record ignored in favour of a struggling captain. Once more he's the guy to be moved up and down like a yo-yo to fit another whim while Cook is immovable it seems. Disappointed in the coaching of Moores who is getting far less from the ODI team than Giles. However he is talking sense about tactics. While the notion of a t20 free-for-all batting seems to grip fans like a disease, he is talking sense about playing the conditions. What amuses me is that the same team quoted as playing so well in the West Indies then went on to be soundly beaten in the t20 world cup - remember this amazing team got thrashed by Holland? Funny how that is forgotten, eh?

  • MasterBlaster100 on September 1, 2014, 21:59 GMT

    Tim Bresnan picked in T20 side. He goes for 8 an over in T20Is has shocking batting and bowling avgs. Who are the selectors? We need to know

  • amitgarg78 on September 2, 2014, 0:07 GMT

    None of the English batsmen, score at run a ball. Some of them are capable of the burst at the end, so is it any wonder England hardly ever score above 300, even when it is considered a par score today? He may be a good man, but a good strategist, he is not - certainly on the basis of evidence so far. Reading his comments on strategy, I am reminded of the proverbial ostrich with head in sand. Acknowledgment is the first step towards therapy - is it any wonder that England struggle? Their time-tested strategy has failed them, over and over again....

  • on September 2, 2014, 2:21 GMT

    As an overview: England still has some sold bats who can hang for the long run in test cricket and have large scores behind them on their own wickets. I think India still has some new comers who can last out in a shorter version and put on some quick runs - so there is a parallel in a way. Now, this is not to suggest that England will not be eventually running out of these batters in time while India will be intent on going back to the drawing board to see what is their real problem is on faster wickets.

  • SagirParkar on September 2, 2014, 2:44 GMT

    Who is Moores trying to kid around here ? Having an average of just under 50 in the test series has no bearing on the quality of Cook's form really. Most of those runs came after 3-4 drops and India's generosity. His knock at Trent Bridge was equally laced with errors.

    In addition to this, his captaincy is still found wanting when the situation gets tough or the opposition start fighting back.. a 3-0 against the Aussies last year and 3-1 against the Indians this summer just flatter his 'captaincy'.

    The sooner Mr Moores and the ECB realise the hard facts, the better it will be for the team and their prospects at the World Cup.

    If only Cook was so darn stubborn about staying on as captain.

  • Sexysteven on September 2, 2014, 3:37 GMT

    Yea Peter moores isn't the right man to coach England and Cook isn't the man to captain if those two are still in charge by the wc then they aren't going to get past the group stages with there tactics they will never pick the right team for the conditions they are just to conservative now would be agood time to experiment with diff tactics they have nothing to loose they look like loosing the series anyway so why not try stuff in order to find your strongest line up cos atm they have no idea what there best team is so try buttler as a opener see if he can do agilchrist type job hales can do a mark Waugh type role at the other end it's got to be worth atry I reckon if it don't work then you go back to Cook or bell

  • Ms.Cricket on September 2, 2014, 4:02 GMT

    Hey, Moores forgot KP the best person to play and captain the English ODI side at the moment!