England v India, 5th ODI, Headingley

Punch-drunk England seek crumbs of comfort

The Preview by Karthik Krishnaswamy

September 4, 2014

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Match facts

September 5, 2014
Start time 1030 local (0930 GMT)

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Five Indian batsmen have 50-plus averages in this ODI series. Only one England batsman has a 30-plus average. Only one Indian bowler has conceded five runs an over in this series, and that man, Dhawal Kulkarni, has an economy rate of exactly 5.00. Every England bowler barring James Tredwell has been more expensive. India have bowled England out three times in three matches. England have taken 11 wickets in three matches.


Eoin Morgan with the World Cup outside the Grace Gates at Lord's, London, August 18, 2014
Eoin Morgan's form will need to improve for England to get out of their slump and harbour any hope of posing next to the World Cup in a more meaningful manner © Getty Images
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If it still needs to be said, this has been a rout, and England are under all kinds of pressure to demonstrate that their one-day strategy can work, and that the personnel they have invested in can make it work. The three completed matches so far have given them precious few positives - it's hard to think of any apart from Tredwell's consistently tight bowling and Moeen Ali's sparkling 67 at Edgbaston - and they have one more match to try and redeem that situation.

If England were flattered by India's surrender in the Test series, the reverse has occurred in the ODIs. India came into the series with two major issues to fix. One, their death bowling, has gone untested so far thanks to England's batting failures. The second was their middle order. Since winning the Champions Trophy last year largely on the back of their top three, India have tried a number of combinations without finding definitive answers to the question of who will bat at four and five come the World Cup.

The three players who have auditioned for those roles in this series - Suresh Raina, Ambati Rayudu and Ajinkya Rahane - have all strengthened their claims, with Rahane's century at Edgbaston suggesting he is perhaps better suited to opening the batting in this format. Considering how easy India have had it, though, and considering how subcontinental the conditions have been through this series, it seems prudent to wait a little longer before saying they have found a blueprint for the World Cup.

Form guide

(Completed matches, most recent first)
England LLLLL
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Watch out for

England's totals in this series so far have been 161, 227 and 206. Their batting is better than that, and they will surely run India much closer if Eoin Morgan and Jos Buttler fire. They have averaged 23.33 and 18.33 in this series, respectively, and their failures have left England with barely any thrust in their middle order.

England's recent struggles against India's spinners in ODIs are best encapsulated by the fact that Ravindra Jadeja and R Ashwin are India's third and fourth-highest wicket-takers against England, and the fact that they also have the best strike rates among the top ten in that list. Jadeja needs three wickets to share the top spot with Harbhajan Singh. Can he do it in one match?

Team news

Ian Bell is out of the match with a broken toe, and England have not called for a replacement. He didn't play the previous game either, so it seems likely they will stick to the same top six that lined up at Edgbaston. The seam-bowling combination is harder to predict, however, since they have used five different fast bowlers over the course of this series, apart from James Anderson, and all of them have been expensive.

England (likely): 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Alex Hales, 3 Gary Ballance, 4 Joe Root, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Moeen Ali, 7 Jos Buttler (wk), 8 Chris Woakes, 9 Steven Finn, 10 James Anderson, 11 Harry Gurney

A few players in India's squad haven't played a game yet, and the series is already won, but India tend not to tinker that much with their eleven even in dead rubbers. It seems unlikely, therefore, that Sanju Samson or Karn Sharma will get to make their debuts.

India (likely): 1 Ajinkya Rahane, 2 Shikhar Dhawan, 3 Virat Kohli, 4 Ambati Rayudu, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 R Ashwin, 9 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 10 Dhawal Kulkarni, 11 Mohammed Shami

Pitch and weather

Three of the last five ODIs at Headingley have been abandoned without a ball bowled. This time around, the weather in Leeds should permit a full ODI, with the Met department forecasting a less than 5% chance of rain during the day. The pitch is expected to be flat, but the seamers could find some help if there is cloud cover. Though they took place a long time ago, the last two ODIs at this venue - England chased down 295 against Pakistan in 2010, and fell well short of Sri Lanka's 309 a year later - suggest batsmen will enjoy themselves.

Stats and trivia

  • If India don't lose the match, it will be the third time they have gone undefeated in bilateral ODI series of four or more matches against England. The previous two instances were 5-0 wins, both at home, in 2008-09 and in 2011-12
  • Ajinkya Rahane will reach 1000 ODI runs if he scores 54

Quotes

"We are really happy the way we played our cricket in the last three ODIs, but the approach will remain the same. We will go in with the same intensity. We are not relaxed. We are just ready for the next ODI as we were ready for the last three games."
India have already won the series, but Ajinkya Rahane says England can expect no mercy

"We are playing for England, he's the captain and whatever he says we do. He's got all our backing and like any other game for England we're trying to do our best."
There has been plenty of pressure on Alastair Cook to step down from the ODI captaincy, but he has the full support of Moeen Ali

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Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 9:48 GMT)

I am afraid England cricket going nowhere with this ODI team. I would love to see Ravi Bopara,Trott and Micheal Lumb in this squad. Keep Cook, Ballance and Bell for tests.

And for God sake please don't include that tattoo man- Dernbach again.. Finn needs few more chances..

Dhawan is still concern for me. also, India should look for their no.7. There are many other better no.7 players in India than Sir RJ.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 9:24 GMT)

cup already won, Worldcup conditions are different still no chance for bench players what is the Dhoni going to prove through this non important match, without giving chance to Samson, he really afraid that's the truth

Posted by cricmatters on (September 5, 2014, 9:23 GMT)

@IrvingPhillipFreely Attitude my dear Watson. Attitude.

Dhoni won't admit it openly like Chris Gayle but he simply doesn't care about the longer format. He is at his best in 50 overs game as he has clearly worked out a formula to win with the resources at hand. India would easily qualify for semi's with the current team, no matter where they play in the world. After that you need a bit of luck with other factors like toss, form, injury to players etc. to win the world cup.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 9:10 GMT)

All the Best Yadav hope your outstanding performance..

Posted by o-bomb on (September 5, 2014, 9:00 GMT)

Sometimes I wonder if there is a point to these 2 teams playing any form of cricket against each other. Each team clearly sees a different format of cricket as the pinnacle of the game and is either cowed by or, worse, not bothered at all with the other format. Never before has it been so obvious that cricket is 2 (or even 3) completely different games.

Posted by Iceman29 on (September 5, 2014, 8:48 GMT)

Winning in England doesnt mean nothing...we should not forget the ODI thrashing we got in SA and NZ...and next world cup is in Aus and NZ...lets be realistic our team is not competitive enough to win in Aus and NZ...My bet is on Aus and NZ and SL judging from the current form....

Posted by RB007 on (September 5, 2014, 8:44 GMT)

@IrvingPhillipFreely you have raised the most pertinent issue. India flattered England who were quick to return the compliment. All the theories and explanations have been simplistic rather than persuasive. Let me add to that. Leaving aside Gambhir, India's six batsmen for this tour are their best. No other domestic batsmen come close. Mostly they do not have issues with pace and bounce. However, once Anderson and Broad raised their game. the batsmen could not cope with the late swing. Confidence dipped alarmingly. Attacking by nature, their game is not based round their defence - Pujara excepted. They were exposed. Murali Vijay made a heroic effort but that intensity and quality of the bowling took their toll. Rahane was spent by the 4th Test. No one else contributed any form or confidence - nor did they try anything different. Dhoni was unable to inspire and India was shot. With Broad gone, Anderson listless, flat pitches, India have got their swagger back. And that's that.

Posted by Die_Hard_Indian_Cricket_Lover on (September 5, 2014, 8:36 GMT)

We are the kings of shorter format version of cricket. No one is able to beat us in any conditions. We hold the world cup and ICC Champions Trophy. We are the most consistent ODI and T20 team for a decade. The best batting lineup in the world and a good bowling attack as well. Kohli will score a 200 today. All the best mighty India to white wash this poor England side.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 5, 2014, 8:35 GMT)

@JG2704 Re no Tredwell. He's one of the few players who you'd guarantee a place for the World Cup. Not playing him now allows you to look at others play who may join him. Also not playing him today increases the likelihood of another thrashing, which I think England desperately needs, because say England win, the management will have an excuse not to change much/anything.

Posted by isitok on (September 5, 2014, 8:33 GMT)

@IrvingPhillipFreely: Excellent points. Back in the day, a nation's ODI team was essentially its test team with the odd specialist involved after Sri Lanka employed the concept of pinch hitting. When the ECB 'invented' T20 it was regarded as, "a bit of a laugh", particularly by the Ausies. Fast-forward to today: we have three competitive formats of the game which place differing demands on the basic roles of batting, bowling and captaincy. Some nations attempt to embrace the differences while others either don't, or merely pay lip service. In short, the skills developed for T20 are changing the approach in ODIs, which is having a knock on effect to the strategies and skills required to be a successful test match playing nation. IMHO, to be successful in any format a nation has to employ the basic Ausie mantra of, pick your best team for the game and from those players pick the best suited to captain. I don't believe any of the nations has achieved the right balance as yet.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 5, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

@cric_surgeon on (September 5, 2014, 5:27 GMT) I'd say it's the opposite of what you say with the batsmen. If they were playing with a carefree attitude with the bat then I could understand where you see it as complacency but they're playing with a severe lack of freedom

Posted by JG2704 on (September 5, 2014, 8:17 GMT)

@dunger.bob on (September 4, 2014, 23:54 GMT) But they're playing with such little confidence. If they weren't so tepid and still losing I'd have more confidence we could turn things around but not the way we're playing. You say about the pitches being slow etc and yet we've gone into the series without one of our most effective slow bowlers and the other one seems to be out of favour for some reason. So surely that says something about our selection. I believe that in Aus (in SFs) , it's a myth that you need loads of pace. The bowlers with the best ERs in the last series (from both sides) were slow/spin

Posted by wapuser on (September 5, 2014, 8:11 GMT)

@ Pakistan_fan whn was last time WI won a series in India and u guy first play cricket In home first thn u can comment here.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 8:10 GMT)

@IrvingPhillipFreely its the white ball and red ball. Indians are just not that adept at playing red ball in foreign conditions. White ball they have a mix record but the problem here is that england seems completely lost with the white ball in terms of both batting and bowling.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 7:59 GMT)

I strongly feel that Sanju Samson and Karn Sharma should be given a chance to test their capabilities on English conditions, as already India are up 3-0. Maybe Dhoni doesn't want to do so, because if they come up with a sterling performance, then he will have selection headaches.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 7:55 GMT)

I hope Indian team will change the XI

My Team,

Dhawan, Vijay, Virat (Cap), Rahane, Binny, Raina, Sanju(WK), Karan, Umesh, Kulkarni, Bhuvi

Will give a chance for new and test them for future..

Any team, all the best. Jai Ho

Posted by missionbegins2011 on (September 5, 2014, 7:50 GMT)

Hey Pakisthan_Fan: When was the last time PAK whitewashed the 'weak ENG' team in ENG in ODI's? Never i guess....so i believe that makes the PAK team flimsy..

Posted by bablankalhan55_youtube on (September 5, 2014, 7:44 GMT)

England should bring in Petersien and Flintoff for next six months till the World Cup ends...Flintoff played well recently in England T20 and is any day better than Stokes,Woakes or Jordon..KP needs to captain this side..India should bring in Karn Sharma,Samson,Umesh and Binny who has not got game after his 6 wickets for 4 runs against Bangladesh.Plz publish Cricinfo

Posted by isitok on (September 5, 2014, 7:32 GMT)

@shashi_dhoni: You make and excellent point about one day cricket when you say, "....one bad day Aussies are out one good day England in finals." ODIs are a lottery and T20 even more so. That's why test cricket is considered to be the purest form of he game, because it does what it says, TESTS the teams against one another, in an environment that the one day lottery cannot.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 7:28 GMT)

@Shashi_Dhoni: i agree with you 100%, the world cup format is completely flawed. Second stage of the tournament should be tougher than first. That is why '99 world cup was best. Just a knockout format would make it wildly unpredictable.

Posted by Zycr9 on (September 5, 2014, 7:17 GMT)

One last ODI match left in the series. Whether it is Eng team that is LOOKING weak or England team is really weak it is not the point. The fact is Indian team after losing the test series came out firing all cylinders on Eng team and showed the entire world how strong they are mentally. They are bunch of talented and skillful players. Problem is with their confidence and belief that they can do it. Sure Ravi Shastri presence helped tremendously to keep the focus of the Indian team on right track but giving all the credit to Ravi shastri is ridiculous. His contribution came in the form of right team selection but it is still left to Dhoni and the team to come up with the performances like they have. Ravi shastri or Duncan Fletcher can't win matches for us. It is DHONI and the team who can. Dhoni has always been motivating and kept the indian team together. Rahane, Rayudu showed what they can do when opportunities are given. Dhoni isa captain, he is a leader who leads from front.

Posted by Lets-bash-others on (September 5, 2014, 7:15 GMT)

@Pakisthan_Fan-- Take a bow...!!!

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 6:51 GMT)

India should definitely make changes for today's match. Give chances to Sanju Samson, umesh yadav and karan sharma for jadeja. Keep dhawal kulkarni and lets see if he can do well. All d best to the men in blue.

Posted by pandian_ikku on (September 5, 2014, 6:43 GMT)

Hey Indian fans, Just be realistic. There is no reason to be over confidence. All cricket fans in the world(except Indians) knows this isn't about showing strength of Indian team. This is about how weak England ODI team now. So wait until West Indies trash you in your home grounds. Currently England is the weakest ODI team from Test playing nations.

Posted by skd2091 on (September 5, 2014, 6:43 GMT)

india should play binny too in place of bhuvi to assess his ability in these helpful english conditions..today's starting XI should be dhawan, rahane, kohli(C), raina, ambati, sanju(wk), aswin,karan,binny,umesh,kulkarni

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 6:43 GMT)

I am hoping for a Kohli hundred. Its been a long time...he has to come out of his shell and show his class with a blistering innings.

Posted by shashi_dhoni on (September 5, 2014, 6:41 GMT)

Everybody in talking about the WC 2015 preparations . One thing we have to notice that the schedule announced for the world cup bore for cricket lovers . Bcoz every one knows which are the stronger eight teams will lead up to quater finals before the worldcup starts. From there on its knock out one bad day Aussies are out one good day England in finals . I am really surprised to see the schedule which is not intersting for cricket lovers. Its like watching the flim after knowing the story . Super six will be the good Idea for the world cup. So it does not sense even if you prepare for world cup better from now on you are not going to be favourites. Its up to that day of quaters semis finals. Pls make a debate of this comment.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 6:40 GMT)

my team for today- 1.Dhawan 2.Rahane 3.V kohli[Captain] 4.Rayudu 5.Raina 6.Sanju samson 7 S binny 8.K sharma 9.M sharma 10 U yadav 11 D Kulkarni

My worldcup team 1.Dhawan 2.Rahane 3.V kohli 4 R sharma 5.Raina 6.Dhoni 7.R jadeja 8.R ashwin 9.Bhuvi 10.Shami 11. M sharma/U yadav. Other 3 players- 1.Rayudu incase rohit or raina fails. 2.K sharma[ next spinning all rounder] 3. S samson [back up keeper].

Posted by yogicoolboy on (September 5, 2014, 6:31 GMT)

I think India should try out the reserves. wont be a bad idea to try sanju samson and karan sharma.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 6:24 GMT)

The selectors should give a chance to both Sanju Samson and Karan Sharma in this ODI and try to get an idea how they fare in overseas conditions. The players such as Rahane and Jadeja who were playing continously for three months and have done well and also are going to play in Champions League may be rested. Also Bhuvi should be rested and Umesh Yadav given a chance. The World Cup to be held in Australia and New Zealand being the focus, all the probable squad members should have overseas experience.

Posted by mayuresh11 on (September 5, 2014, 6:21 GMT)

karan sharma umesh yadav and sanju should play in place of virat koli mahmad sami jadeja

Posted by vish57 on (September 5, 2014, 6:19 GMT)

India should give chances to bench players, Dhoni can rest himself, so also Jadeja, Bhuvaneswar Kumar. Umesh yadav, Sanju Samson and Karan Sharma can get a chance and Raina or Kohili can lead. Any how that will not happen as Indian think tank is notorious not to try fringe players in dead rubber matches. eg Rasool in Zimbabwe tour.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 6:09 GMT)

india is one of the top four sides in one day cricket with saf aus and pak and the defending champions for wc 2015 everyone knows that but please dont get flattered by this indian performance and the wc is also 5 months from now in aus nz its going to be different then but still if the indians play up to their potential than no one can stop them lets hope india play as they are playing now .this rich vein of form continues. my team for the world cup will be dhawan rahane rohit vijay kohli raina rayadu binny jadeja ashwin nozha bhuvi shami ishant uyadav mohit and the captain dhoni thisteams presents a lot of options for bowling batting .my 18th playerwiil be karan sharma.

Posted by ghostOf_DonBradman on (September 5, 2014, 6:04 GMT)

it is interesting to note....which I think everyone (even CricInfo) has missed to noticed so far...that... the country who has more players playing in IPL is beating the team which has less players playing IPL......it is not 100% (but more often than not)....e.g. SAfrica's victory over Sri Lanka.... India Vs England....WI over Bangladesh....SriLanks Vs Pakistan....etc... Having said that it would be interesting to see AUS vs SA final and Sri Lanka Vs England series...

Posted by missionbegins2011 on (September 5, 2014, 5:50 GMT)

@HerathUK : IND team is formidable and despite this miserable loss this ENG team will white wash SL in their own backyard just like SA did few days back. Speaks volumes about the weakness of SL team.

Posted by sam_sohel on (September 5, 2014, 5:39 GMT)

I think, as india already win the series no harm to take sanju samson in place of dhawan. if anyone is injured, samson will be good as replacement so he should get a chance in today's game.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 5:39 GMT)

Morgan should play his game, the positive game. That applies to Buttler too. To make this happen the top 3 should be there up to 25 overs scoring 5 RPO (125 runs- I doubt it). Cook is under pressure that he is not allowed to play his 60 SR game. He is desperately wishing India to bowl to his body, to be off the strike. I am surprised Dhoni is not noticing this. Mahi, make your bowlers bowl outside off stump to cook and pack the off side field, and don't make extra effort to take his wicket - He will answer all the critics and step down as captain.

Posted by dakshinap on (September 5, 2014, 5:36 GMT)

Umesh and Karn Sharma should paly instead of Jadeja and Kulkarni. India XI; Dhawan, Rahane, Kohli, Rayudu, Raina, Dhoni, Karn Sharma, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Yadav.

Posted by cric_surgeon on (September 5, 2014, 5:27 GMT)

if England ever wants a win this final one dayer they should come out like a confident team but not as an-invincible-bunch in their den. If they had shown a little respect to this young Indian team, they would not have been in this state. No proper bowling plans because they had this "oh this is going to be easy like tests" feeling and attitude. Result, almost a blank staring at them. As a cricket lover, I wish them all the very best and give people like us some thrills and gasps.

Posted by kvmk on (September 5, 2014, 4:36 GMT)

The only way England can win this 5th ODI is to put India in and restrict them to a par score and hope for the best with their chase. I hope some changes are made by Dhoni to test the bench strength ahead of the world cup to see how some of them go.

Posted by wapuser on (September 5, 2014, 4:30 GMT)

Our players who are not played in this tour should be given chances. I prefer Umesh to bhuvi because he should rest now because he has done his great job in this tour. Umesh is good bowler but dhoni do not trust on him despite of his good record in australia during last test series. He will be our trumpcard in wc if he plays with confidence but he has to improve his line and length that is big weakness of him. Samson and karan should be given chance so that we have another options for wc if anyone gets injured.

Posted by anver777 on (September 5, 2014, 4:28 GMT)

Though today's game is a dead rubber, it means a lot for ENG........ they're still struggling with the combination & here is another opportunity for them to get that right !!!! On the other hand IND will go all out & try to "WHITE WASH" Eng !!!

Posted by Siva_Bala75 on (September 5, 2014, 4:17 GMT)

The two best players in this England side so far are Moeen Ali and Tredwell and only one slot is available for these two in the XI. I guess this sums up England's current situation.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 4:16 GMT)

From the available squad; England XI; Cook, Hales, Ballance, Root, Morgan, Ali, Buttler, Woakes, Finn, Tredwell, Gurney; vs India XI; Dhawan, Rahane, Kohli, Rayudu, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Yadav;

Posted by landl47 on (September 5, 2014, 4:15 GMT)

@dunger.bob: thanks for the crumbs of comfort! I think England will probably do better in Aus than they have here (and India will not do as well), but they won't be competing for the trophy.

Australia has got its ODI strategy sorted out and England needs to learn from them. Players like Finch, Maxwell, Faulkner and Mitch Marsh are great at short-format cricket but not test standard (though Marsh might be in the future). They don't always fire, as in the game they lost to Zim, but usually enough of them do to post decent results. There are always 6, and usually 7 or 8, bowlers in the side so they can keep mixing it up. They are great fielders, specifically outfielders, because close catching isn't required in ODIs. Above all, they always attack- defence means 4 or 5 an over, not a bunch of dot balls.

It's a strategy designed for short-format games. England's 'if we get 258 we win 73% of games' mentality doesn't work, because the 27% of games they lose are against the best sides.

Posted by wapuser on (September 5, 2014, 4:13 GMT)

not even on single indian fan put Yuvi in their fav list, he waz the main reason india won the last world cup !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 4:04 GMT)

I think its Useless to talk about KP inclusion. England has made clear that they have moved on from KP. KP hasnt played any competitive List A matches this year as well. Even KP will not hope for inclusion. Also, there is no use in talking about Cook being captain or not for WC. He is the only one who can take this team into WC, there are no strong contenders to challenge or replace Cook as captain. It's the bottom line which makes Cook confidently say that he will lead this team into the WC and ECB has no answer. We can talk about all new players to take over from Cook, but they will get a reality check when they enter a global event like WC. Eoin Morgan would have walked straight into the captaincy had he been in good form this series, so no other serious contenders, unless Broad or Anderson willing to take. Bell looks reluctant and in first place shouldnt be part of ODI teams. I wud say, Eng shouldnt panic and just have to add more ODI specialist in their 11's.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (September 5, 2014, 3:49 GMT)

There should be no respite. India should play with their first choice XI. I mean, Umesh and Sanju should play. Dhawal Kulkarni who???? Shame!!

Posted by caldruid on (September 5, 2014, 3:34 GMT)

So let me guess - neither Karn Sharma nor Sanju Samson will play. Great way to test the bench strength MSD!

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 2:13 GMT)

England make good score but India will chase, cricket is a predictable game.( before every series some people will predict 100% ) that is why cricket is a third grade game today India be 4-0

Posted by IndCricFan2013 on (September 5, 2014, 1:55 GMT)

I would try give a chance to Raina or Sanju samson to open the innings, because the series is already decided. The reason being 10 power play overs and if succeed he can take additional 5. India might need to test this out, since in the world cup, if Indian bowlers leak and someone like Australia post a big score, then they need to get some quick runs, who else other than Raina to do that T20 innings? India are good with ODIs, but they have number of weakness they need to work on fixing it. One thing would be how to counter the big total, if the bowlers tend to leak. We see Rahahe, Dhawan and Rohit as accumulators, while Kohli, and Raina are aggressors, Dhoni playing as required. Also they should start testing their death bowling, by giving challenges to their bowlers.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 1:28 GMT)

You have to select your best one day players in team and select captain among them. Is cook best one day opener in England,I think not. You can't choose captain in team and retain his spot because he is captain . Lumb should replace cook in team

Posted by JustIPL on (September 5, 2014, 0:51 GMT)

Ashwin or Bhuvi as captain as an allrounder can lead the team better in batting and bowling both. Dhoni is also a keeping all rounder, by the way.

Posted by Humdingers on (September 5, 2014, 0:46 GMT)

Would like to see K.Sharma and Yadav given a go in this game. Series is done now time for fine tuning. Cook should sit this one out - he's on a hiding to nothing playing this game unless he goes out and scores a 65 ball 100.

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 0:30 GMT)

After watching the Test series & ODIs on this India tour, one thing is obvious. India play Tests like ODIs ! England plays ODIs like Tests ! Neither works. Choice of players may be an issue, but is not the major one; tactics are!

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 0:14 GMT)

Do I wish, this dead rubber match is capatined by Morgan for England, Raina for India? Yes. What are the chances of that happening? Nil !

Posted by   on (September 5, 2014, 0:08 GMT)

I wonder what Dhawan is doing in this team...Yes i have seen his performance yest. but one good innings in 20 is not doing any good for India...It was poor bowling by england that kept him notout at the end....All one needs is to bowl is an in drifting leg to off stump line and he cannot score more than single digits!

Posted by dunger.bob on (September 4, 2014, 23:54 GMT)

Maybe England can do better in Oz than in England. That might sound a bit stupid but I'm serious. Here's my reasoning, such as it is. .. From all reports the pitches in England are low, slow and taking some spin. Well, hopefully our pitches will be hard and true. Batsmen should be able to play their shots, seamers will get a bit of bounce, a small amount of early swing and a smidgeon of sideways movement. On top of that the better spinners will do well but the LO dart-throwers probably won't pick up too many wickets. They'll still be able to keep things quiet if there're good enough, but they shouldn't be running through any sides. .. just a thought.

Posted by JustIPL on (September 4, 2014, 22:42 GMT)

Despite the fact that india have won the games, england have been able to cross 200 on two occasions without anyone scoring good runs. Against better batting lineups situation will be different as india too do not have backup bowlers. India have largely depended on Bhuvi and if he becomes unfit or injured then story will be different. Tredwell has not been ably supported and should be played alongwith ali. English experimentation will definitely pay off during world cup where only Sri Lanka and SA look to be winning it. England approach is correct in a sense as too much spin will not be effective during world cup.

Posted by neil99 on (September 4, 2014, 21:19 GMT)

Landl47

No. 4 is on the cards, and we all now it. Somehow 2 test wins has proven that if you stick with it, it'll eventually come good - despite getting pasted all around the park whilst you're waiting

Posted by JG2704 on (September 4, 2014, 21:19 GMT)

Is Tredwell injured? If not then why is he suddenly out of favour and am I the only person on here who notices what a consistent,solid job he does for the side?

I reckon England should put Stokes back in for Ali and also bring in Jordan and then they will have achieved the worst side they could possibly pick from the squad.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 4, 2014, 21:13 GMT)

@landl47 on (September 4, 2014, 20:07 GMT) Personally , part of me hopes we get the mother of all thrashings. If we by some miracle win - if Hales,Buttler or Morgan play a blinder - then they'll see it as evidence that things are back on track. We need to out the whole management/staff and start afresh with people who understand the game and realise that players who have played/done well in the format all year at domestic level are more likely to do something than those who have not

Posted by JG2704 on (September 4, 2014, 21:13 GMT)

@Kays789 on (September 4, 2014, 18:06 GMT) And play a different team and have a different mindset.

Posted by JG2704 on (September 4, 2014, 21:02 GMT)

@CodandChips on (September 4, 2014, 15:34 GMT) I've mentioned about Hales before. The thing is that he's starting off ok - going at a run a ball or thereabouts during the PP oversbut then (in the 2 games he made starts) he got bogged down afterwards. I'm really not sure if there is a game plan for him to go harder during the PP overs and then just try and keep his wicket in hand and consolidate after the 1st 10 or if he just has probs with India's spinners. Every batsman bar Ali in the last game showed zero positive intent. At least Hales was bowled by a good ball and was playing a shot.

@Parousia on (September 4, 2014, 15:50 GMT) I can see reasons to pick/omit Wright. His Big Bash started off well but tailed away a little. I see no reason to pick Stokes. His form down under came in tests. His ODI form has been shabby - wherever

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 20:57 GMT)

vijoy dhawan virat(c) sanju (WK) raina raidu binny karan yadob mohit kulkarni

Posted by Srini9 on (September 4, 2014, 20:22 GMT)

Cook is a great player and chosen captain, and shouldn't be questioned his role and as a player, its too late for those questions. If I were to be a member of Eng team selectors, I would drop one of these players 'HF Gurney or AD Hales' from WC2015 Team, to accommodate for a place for KP into the team. You will have wonderful combination with KP in your line up, that could compete and challenge for the cup. Good for Eng Team....

Make the decisions now rather than it's too late. Otherwise Eng Cricket team walks out of the tournament as Eng Football team exited from first round of the tournament of 2014.

Posted by desiboy454 on (September 4, 2014, 20:15 GMT)

My XI: 1. Rahane 2. Dhawan 3. Virat 4. Rayadu 5. Raina 6. MSD 7. Jadeja/Binny 8. Ashwin 9. Mohit 10. Umesh 11. Shami

Bhuvi needs some rest, and umesh needs a go. For WC, jadeja and ashwin need confidence and are def going to be playing, Karn Sharma wont have enough International experience, same with Samson. Rahane needs to open, see how he fairs, but he must open in Australia, he keeps the tempo going instead of slow-rohit. Rayadu also needs a chance to shine again, and maybe lock his place down for WC at 4. Raina dhoni can be interchangeable at 5/6 depending on match situation. Playing binny depends on the pitch conditions, if it favors seam, play binny, he could be useful in Australia instead of playing jadeja/ashwin since raina can def bowl 3-4 overs in AUS.

Posted by Chris_P on (September 4, 2014, 20:10 GMT)

@yorkshire-86 It was a well written & thought out article by Hughes, agree with you. England have the personnel to succeed, they need to select the players for the game required & alter their mindset. Swanny was spot on in his pre series comments. Someone like him would be a huge bonus taking charge of the SF English team, but will they ever go that way?

Posted by landl47 on (September 4, 2014, 20:07 GMT)

The worst thing that could happen for England is to win this game. It's a dead rubber match and there's every chance that India, consciously or unconsciously, will ease up. If England wins this game and, on the strength of winning one dead rubber game, decides that the team and strategy is OK, then we can expect no changes and no chance in the WC.

A side which has been thrashed has 3 choices: 1. Change the players; 2. Change the strategy; 3. Change the players and the strategy. So far England has been following a 4th option- closing their eyes and wishing very, VERY hard that things will get better. If they win this meaningless game they'll say "See? It worked." It won't have worked, it never works and we can say goodbye to being competitive in the WC again.

England has put in place the foundations of a good test side. Now they need to do the same in ODIs, bearing in mind that this is not test cricket and needs a totally different approach. Asking Graeme Swann would be a start.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 20:06 GMT)

again 99% of comments from my dear indians starts with "my playing xi will be ..bla.bla"...the comedy is 90% of this selectors did not have dhawan on playing xi b4 4 th odi..and now 99% have dhawan in it...haha and at same time these 99% blamw actual selectors for selecting playing 11 based on last match performance..

Posted by yorkshire-86 on (September 4, 2014, 19:55 GMT)

Simon Hughes's article on the BBC website explains exactly what is wrong with England's batting. Not just personnel, but tactics. Leaving balls outside off, defending length, 'consolidating' after a wicket falls instead of wresting the advantage with positive strokeplay, relying on the non-batsmen to do the accelerating, and the inability to hit balls on the off side to leg when a bowler packs the off side and bowls outside off. The end result is simple - when an Indian batsmen blocks, pushes or nudges, its into a gap for a single. When an English batsmen blocks, pushes or nudges, its straight to a fielder for a dot. When an Indian fielder mistimes a slog, it lands in space for a single or four as they can hit over the top anywhere from cover to long leg and they pick the place where fielders arnt. When an English batsmen mistimes a slog, its straight into a mans hands as they are only able to play power shots in 1-2 places and Dhoni can cover them with ease.

Posted by DipanjanMitra on (September 4, 2014, 19:51 GMT)

Wish to see India finish it off 4-0 with a big margin like the 3rd ODI. That will be simply amazing !!! 4 wins on the trot to prove that we are the "reigning" World Champions in ODIs and also hold the first place in ICC ranking for the same.

Posted by CezK on (September 4, 2014, 19:46 GMT)

Umesh for Mohit, Karan for Jaddu, Binny for Bhuvi... I believe its too early for Samson as we have good enough backup of seniors batsman & keepers already.. Rohit, Yuvraj, Uthappa, Dinesh Kartik, Manoj tiwari etc to name a few...

We need to finalize 3 allarounders who can bowl amongst them atleast 25 overs and make run a ball 80-100 amongst them & IMHO likes of Binny, Jaddu, Ashwin will play key role in WC...

5 ODI batting specialist, 3 All-arounders, 3 Genuine fast bowlers.. Recipe for success in Australia..

My team: Dhawan, Binny, Rahane, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Jaddu, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Umesh/Varun/Zaheer

(Binny to play role of pinch hitter at top, something like what kalu did for Srilanka)

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 19:39 GMT)

my team dhawan, rahane, kohli, rayudu, samson, binny, jadeja, karn, yadav, kulkarni, shami.

Posted by KaptainKool on (September 4, 2014, 19:06 GMT)

My team for 2moro: Shikhar,Vijay,Kohli,Rayudu,Raina,Samson,Binny,Karan,Umesh,Mohit,kulkarni

Let kohli captain and samson can keep wickets.. this can certainly test the bench strength and will give rest to dhoni and some key players for the lone t20. Also hope that captaincy will bring back some confidence in kohli and he returns to his previous form.

Posted by perl57 on (September 4, 2014, 18:44 GMT)

Better for Rahane to be 12th man, Jadeja to be 13th. Get Karn for Jad and Sanju for Rahane and see how the kids perform. In India against Windies they will be sure shot hit unless they flop miserably. I know we are going to Australia before World Cup but it is better to try them out on Swinging pitches, the only test for Indian batsman. It is surprising out of so many INdia has only two who mastered Swing- Sachin and Rahul. As for England, they should do some soul searching. Donno what were they thinking dropping KP and ignoring Bopara. At least after firing flower and making strauss retired, they should have called KP back. Now we will see the circus of English players.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 18:15 GMT)

My team 1)m.vijay 2)a.rahane 3)s.samson(wk) 4)a.raidu(wk) 5)s.raina(capt) 6)s.binny 7)r.jadeja 8)karan sharma 9)b.kumar 10)d.kulkarni 11)u.yadav

This team have lot of youngster and in my team from 1- 10 All can bat and 4-11 all can bowl and this only the last match of odi so every one must get chance

Posted by wapuser on (September 4, 2014, 18:13 GMT)

My 11 wil b Shikar Rahane Kohli * Rayadu Raina Samson Binny Karan Bhuvi Umesh Dhawal

Rested Msd Shami Mohit Jaddu Ashwin

Posted by wapuser on (September 4, 2014, 18:07 GMT)

My eleven wil b dhawan,rahane,kohli(cap),rayadu,raina,sanju samson,binny,karan,bhuvi,umesh yadav,kulkarni

Posted by Kays789 on (September 4, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

All England need to do to win the game is prepare a proper English type wicket. It's ridiculous that they are playing on spinning flat decks like this even at home. All you need is a smidgen of swing and for the ball to bounce over the knees.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 18:05 GMT)

Rahane Dhawan Virat* Rayadu Raina Samson+ Binny Karn Kullkarni Mohit Umesh

Posted by bvnathan on (September 4, 2014, 17:38 GMT)

I was about to pen down my team list, to allow MSD a break and with other changes to give other players, when I noticed the list @Mahavir Choudhary - you are on spot with me, thanks

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 17:35 GMT)

Entire Bench Strength who has not played till now in England, Shud be given chance, let Samson, Yadav, Binny, Karan in XI

Posted by Nampally on (September 4, 2014, 17:25 GMT)

India should not let up but complete the series sweep with 4-0. It is strange that England has abandoned all its ODI heroes of the past & expects the new comers to just walk in & contribute. Guys like Bopara & Patel were useful all rounders who always contributed both in bowling & batting. Guerney was blasted for 6's & 4's in the ODI 4. Anderson gave four 4's to Rahane in a single over. With the pitch likely to play true, it looks like it will be a high scoring match with a total of at least 300 needed to be competitive. For India it remains to be seen weather the Shastri Mantra will be in effect. Ravi Shastri showed exceptional skills in converting this Indian team to Winners after deplorably poor show in the last 3 Tests He countered England Test victories by imposing crushing defeats on England. India has to practice the same mantra & finish the sweep in a decisive manner. India is a confident team facing a dejected England striving to save the sweep. Promises to be a great Match!

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 17:22 GMT)

it will be a shame if umesh doesn't play the last match, karan should also get a look in.

Posted by Herath-UK on (September 4, 2014, 17:11 GMT)

England poor show has projected India as a strong ODI team to the contrary. Indian team does not look formidable as it was a few years ago so England can sign off with a win which will do a world of good to their morale otherwise they will embark on route to Sri Lanka with very low confidence.

Posted by thozar on (September 4, 2014, 17:10 GMT)

No matter who India or England select, the result of the last match is also a foregone conclusion. It is hard to see a bigger win in a one day match than the last one. I expect India to mete out a similar thrashing or perhaps a 10 wicket victory in the last one day. Can we play England more often?:)

Why did England drop the spinner Tredwell? He was the only good bowler for England. The rest are all trundlers. I expected better from Steve Finn. I think he bowled really well in India but he also did not do well this series. Anderson is a test match bully. Woakes, Stokes, and Jordan are worse than Ranji trundlers.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 16:54 GMT)

1 Ajinkya Rahane, 2 Shikhar Dhawan, 3 Virat Kohli, 4 S Samson, 5 Suresh Raina, 6 MS Dhoni (capt & wk), 7 Ravindra Jadeja, 8 S Binny, 9 K Sharma, 10 Bhuvneshwar Kumar, 11 U Yadhev

Posted by vsprabhu01 on (September 4, 2014, 16:40 GMT)

I am interested to see both Umesh and Karan in the eleven (I would have had them for all 5 ODI's) for tomorrow's ODI, since both of them have a bigger role to play in World cup. But i am sure this team management will ensure 100%, that they will not be in the eleven and for upcoming WI series, they will not be in the squad and replaced by another set of 3 players in the bench ..... Quite ridiculous team strategy towards world cup ... Anyway All the Best ....

Posted by TimMann on (September 4, 2014, 16:39 GMT)

People are too obsessed with our batting. But look. If players as good as Hales and Cook and Bell have been easily knocked over by Koomar etc, swinging the ball, why haven't Anderson and co. done it back to them? We won the test series because Anderson and Broad bowled like the world class bowlers they are. England have made big scores in the past in ODI's - we just need someone to get in. The Indian bowlers won't let us. I'm STILL more worried by our bowlers!!

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 16:38 GMT)

Dhoni & Fletcher, left to themselves will not experiment with fresh talent even in a 'dead' match. The only hope is that Shastri may want to force the issue of experimenting with guys like Samson & Karn Sharma. If Sanju can be fitted in only by resting Dhoni, so be it. If so, ask Raina to captain. (Kohli still haven't re-captured the right mind set to do that role in this ODI)

Any one knows what happened to Umesh Yadav. I know, his radar doesn't function quite often. Other than that, is there any other issue? Varun Aaron also had that radar problem; but proved in tests that he has fixed it to some extent. Why not we try it out with Yadav too. In conditions where swing is not available,Bhuvi & Sami may not be that effective, We ma need speedsters like Aaron & Yadav. Why not try Yadav now, when we don't have much to lose.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 16:34 GMT)

India for once should really test the bench. My 11 , Rahane , dhawan, Kohli, Rayadu, Raina, Samson, karan, binny, mohit, umesh, dhawal. I think even with this 11 we can win this one

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 16:24 GMT)

Rahne Dhawan Kohli Raydu Raina Samson Karan Ashwin B.Kumar Sami U.Yadav

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 16:05 GMT)

Don't know why.Umesh Yadav was not selected in tests and not played in one day till now..

Posted by sensation on (September 4, 2014, 15:59 GMT)

excellent performance by india in this series and they will win for sure in last ODI and t20 unless eng perform out of the moon in these 2 matches.. ind perform really well but there preparation for world cup will be judged by there performance in triangular series later in this year.. they are looking very solid at the moment but there real test will be in aus.. i'm a huge fan of indian team specially in ODI and t2o and will hope to see india performing realy well in w.cup which is very early to say hope for the best.. i want to see samson in last odi if dhoni can take rest and give chance to samson but it will not happen i know.. rahane is a exceptional talent with all the shots in his book but he has a problem of throwing away his wicket after he will set.. he has to sought out this problem and he will have great future some of his shots were unbelieveable just a push and ball races away.. kohli plz come back in form we are missing your fearless attacking cricket..

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (September 4, 2014, 15:58 GMT)

It's boom or bust for England. Whitewash is looking imminent, but it would be relatively nice to see something of note (bar Ali's performance last game) from this series. Decision to drop Bopara worked well didn't it...

By the way, if Tredwell is (once again) England's least expensive bowler, shouldn't he be one of the first names down on the team?

Posted by Parousia on (September 4, 2014, 15:53 GMT)

Speaking from a neutral point of view- Cook, Bell & Root & Woakes has to go if England are serious about the world cup .. Lumb, Roy , Taylor, Samit Patel should come in for these 4 test players ! Drop Jordan too! With only few months left for the world cup England needs to invest in these 4 guys.. They should get as many games as possible even if they fail twice.. They have got to invest in patience ! Also despite his poor form Stokes as well as Wright(he did well in Big bash) should come in because they have scored runs down under in the past.. the problem is England are reluctant to try out youngsters

Posted by CodandChips on (September 4, 2014, 15:52 GMT)

Bell is England's best player of spin but has hardly been prolific in ODIs recently. When was his last hundred? How often does he bat 30 overs? If he's doing neither, he ought to score quicker.

So the squad hasn't been changed unfortunately. But the team can be.

Drop Cook. Encourage Hales to play his natural game. Move Ali up the order as he did ok in the West Indies.

Give Jordan another chance. Bring in Tredwell for Anderson if another spinner required.

Hence next game: 1.Hales 2.Ali 3.Ballance 4.Root 5.Morgan 6.Buttler 7.Jordan 8.Woakes 9.Tredwell/Anderson 10.Finn 11.Gurney

Of course my pre-series-selected squad to win the world cup was: 1.Hales 2.Lumb/Bell 3.Taylor/Root 4.Morgan 5.Buttler 6.Bopara 7.Jordan 8.Broad 9.Tredwell (Briggs) 10.Gurney 11.Anderson/Finn

But I guess after this series the places of a few players are at risk, while probably Ali, and possibly Woakes, have been better than I've thought. Re Ali he was better in the West Indies than I gave him credit for.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 4, 2014, 15:50 GMT)

The bowlers for me is the mystery. I'd have picked most of them for the world cup. I know Jordan is hit and miss but he's my risk. Woakes has done better than I thought he would and seems to have improved. Finn and Gurney perhaps need more games to settle but have disappointed me. Anderson, I've never considered a death bowler, but I'd use him to bowl 10 overs upfront with the new ball if possible. Stokes should be kept well away from the ODI side for some time until he genuinely improves and plays consistently well for Durham in white-ball cricket. At least Tredwell has done his bit.

Obviously Bopara has to come back. His non-selection horrified me at the time and I made this public as did many other posters. Perhaps Luke Fletcher could get a go as his death bowling impressed in the Blast.

What doesn't help is that most of the better performing English-qualified bowlers in this year's domestic competitions are spinners such as Briggs, Rashid, Ravi Patel. Where are the seamers?

Posted by Parousia on (September 4, 2014, 15:50 GMT)

Speaking from a neutral point of view- Cook, Bell & Root & Woakes has to go if England are serious about the world cup .. Lumb, Roy , Taylor, Samit Patel should come in for these 4 test players ! Drop Jordan too! With only few months left for the world cup England needs to invest in these 4 guys.. They should get as many games as possible even if they fail twice.. They have got to invest in patience ! Also despite his poor form Stokes as well as Wright(he did well in Big bash) should come in because they have scored runs down under in the past.. the problem is England are reluctant to try out youngsters

Posted by Coolcapricorn on (September 4, 2014, 15:46 GMT)

With the series already won, India should test their bench strength by giving their reserve players like Karn Sharma, Umesh Yadav & Sanju Samson an opportunity to play in this dead rubber match.

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 15:38 GMT)

Umesh yadav and Samson should get chance, I would love to see team performing without dhoni, dhoni should take rest and give Samson his first odi cap.

Posted by CodandChips on (September 4, 2014, 15:34 GMT)

While I predicted England to struggle since they were to play in ODIs vs India, I certainly didn't expect such comprehensive defeats. I guess that happens when everybody bar a couple play badly.

I said before this series that part of my issue with Bell and Cook in ODIs, apart from the fact they often have seemed unwilling/unable to raise the tempo, is the fact that neither have scored that many runs in recent times. When was their last hundred or last time either lasted 30 overs.

Hales hasn't been much better however since he's come in. Everybody will have their theories why. I just wonder if he's been asked to be cautious and perhaps is overcompensating? Like with Carberry last year, Hales just doesn't seem to be playing as everybody hoped. While I recognise the fact that he needs a few games to settle, surely he could show a bit more positive intent.

Lumb and Ali did well in the West Indies. Both built a platform at 6 an over, with the ability to raise the tempo. Why drop them?

Posted by Sentha15 on (September 4, 2014, 15:27 GMT)

My world cup Team Squad: 1)Rahne 2)Dhawan 3)Kohli 4)Rohit 5)Raina 6)Dhoni 7)Sir 8)Ashwin 9)B.Kumar 10)Sami 11)U.Yadav 12,13,14,15 Sanju,Rayudu,Varun,Binny

Posted by AnSen1984 on (September 4, 2014, 15:27 GMT)

India should bring in Sanju Samson in place of Ambati Rayudu IMO! This guy if gets going can be a really wonder kid for the country! Also, Bhuvaneswar Kumar should be rested and Umesh Yadav should be given the new ball!

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 15:19 GMT)

umesh and samson to be in the side tomorrow. because the bench players are to be tested before WC..

Posted by   on (September 4, 2014, 15:10 GMT)

Hopefully Sanju Samson & Karn Sharma get a game and should replace Dhawan & Jadeja..

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