England v Pakistan, 1st npower Test, Trent Bridge, 4th day August 1, 2010

Butt not convinced Ys heads are the answer

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Salman Butt has a question for those of us who feel Pakistan are hitting themselves in the foot by continuing to ignore the Ys - Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan - out of the batting ranks. "Having seen the past results can anybody over here tell me how many wins Pakistan had with the people who were previously playing?" Butt shot the query at the media after Pakistan's embarrassing defeat in Nottingham.

He probably meant Pakistan's record in England, as out of the five and six Tests Younis and Yousuf have played respectively in this country, they were part of only one victory - at Old Trafford in the summer of 2001 when Inzamam-ul-Haq bolstered the middle-order with his calm presence. Waqar Younis, Pakistan's current coach, was then leading an experienced side, which also featured Wasim Akram, Saeed Anwar and Saqlain Mushtaq.

However, Butt, if he has been referring to the stats books, would also be aware of the Y-pair's outstanding record in England: Yousuf has compiled 716 runs at 65.09 including a double-century and Younis has logged 470 runs at 52.22 with one hundred and a highest of 173. Those are big runs and Pakistan could do with such stone-walling efforts, going by the fragility of their batting order this summer.

The call for their return is bound to get louder if you consider the fact that in the six innings so far on this trip, Pakistan's middle-order, comprising Nos. 3-7, has recorded a solitary half-century. Azhar Ali, Umar Amin, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik and Kamran Akmal have have all wobbled and succumbed to pressure easily.

Yet Butt and Waqar have stressed that Pakistan possess the best possible unit at the moment and it was only healthy and apt to think beyond the Ys. "Whoever is in the Pakistan side is there because of his ability and needs to be given time to show what they are capable of," Butt said. "Had we been winning with them in the team in the past two years then it could've been a mistake. But the results were the same. In fact these guys pulled off a victory after 15 years [against Australia last week at Headingley]. So people are not seeing the reality."

Waqar was more direct on Saturday evening, when Pakistan had lost their top three wickets in a matter of minutes. Asked if he felt the inexperienced middle order needed reinforcement in the form either Yousuf or Younis, or both, he did not entertain the thought too much. "Look, one is retired [Yousuf]. We can't really bring somebody back from retirement. The other one [Younis] has got serious issues with the cricket board [PCB]," Waqar said with a smile.

Waqar said he was disappointed at some of the shots his batsmen played but felt this team was on the right track, in light of what he had witnessed in the past few years where Pakistan cricket had been marred by relentless controversies. "If you compare the Pakistan side from the last two to three years to this one it is a big improvement," Waqar said. "We want to make this into a big unit. We might have to take a couple losses but this unit looks good."

Pakistan's biggest problem on this trip has been the weak spine the batsmen have shown in the face of challenging seaming and swinging conditions. Their ineptitude to raise a challenging score has only hurt and eventually demoralised their fast men - Mohammad Aamer, Mohammad Asif and Umar Gul, who have put in stellar performances. Butt accepts the blame. "Yes, because we have got out very quickly today and we lost seven wickets in an hour's time you can say we have the problems against the seaming (swinging) ball."

Butt himself was a failure, getting a single-digit score in both innings. Ironically for Butt, though just two matches old as captain, he is Pakistan's highest run maker this year and so remains the man to lend a direction for the rest of the batting order. "All of us need to take responsibility having played a bit more cricket than some others in the team," Butt said.

However Butt is not willing to pull the pin on any of the batsmen. "I am just two games old: we have won one and lost the other. So I can never think of saying they have not responded. I can't be that impatient," Butt said. According to him, expecting Pakistan to win every match is asking for the moon. "What do you expect from them - win every game? That will not happen. This is the time when you back your players. It is just a matter of putting up a performance whether it being bowling, fielding, batting. The faith I have in them, I know they can make a comeback."

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at Cricinfo

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  • on August 6, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    I think Mr. Butt doesn't know that pakistan won test match against australia due to their BOWLING not because of battting...

  • oman20101982 on August 3, 2010, 12:57 GMT

    Well Bringing back the two y's is not about whats gonna win matches but its also about justice . Poeple who average over fifty are out cause they are 35 , whil poeple who cant put bat to ball in swinging conditions are in the team cause they are young , anyone get me in the team i m young too , and can bat well , maybe as time passes i ll be good batsman too . I pray Justice is done in Sports / all matters of life and everywhere in the world and Our country .... I love salman butt and have played under his captaincy in model town greens and loved his batting . Talking like that about Pakistan most best batsmen , one recieved an award two years ago , most runs scored , other one was World cup winning Side s Captain . Aah i dont know whgats happeing in our minds ... i can only say ... God Help us ....

  • dmqi on August 3, 2010, 2:50 GMT

    The top 7 English players who batted have test average above 40, few close to 50 and one above 50. Here is the data for Butt and company:

    Butt : 31.6 Kamran : 32 Umar: 35.6 Malik : 34.8 Farhat : 33.5 Others are new, so they do not deserve to be in this list. Now is there any idiot in this world who would expect for this C grade team ( excluding the 3 bowlers) to be competitive? Try Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. You may have some luck, but I am not sure.

    Build a team with C graders? Do not forget 0 + 0 = 0, simple math. Morning shows the day.

  • dmqi on August 3, 2010, 2:21 GMT

    I am amassed to see how many supporters have agreed with the statement of Salman Butt and Waker Yunus. It looks to me that they are following the hopeless PCB. My prediction is this: You will loose every test as your two bowlers will not sustain the burden for too many innings. There is very little chance that the failed batsmen will produce any miracle. Mr. Butt, wait till the completion of the tour, I bet many will demand for a new captain. And Mr Malik and Kamran Akaml are waiting to fill up your slot. You know PCB is playing a circus and you are all part of it. Just check what the English and west Indies commentators said about the two Y's in last few days. They are all world famous players or commentators. Do they understand less than you or the coach? Have mercy. You do not build a team during test match. You had 10 years for that and your boss failed miserably to do that. How do you expect to succeed when your own records are below average?

  • dmqi on August 3, 2010, 2:08 GMT

    Mr. Salman Butt:

    Your position in the team was not certain just few months ago, you became captain because Afridi dropped out. If he would stay you would not be captain in few years. At 22-23, not many captain has been successful. Just see the great Tendulker. Your statement about the two Y's just show how eager you are to keep them away. If you understand the subject called statistics, and probability, you should understand who has better chance to succeed, you and your junk batsmen or the two Y's. Yes, they may fail in few innings but they have a much better chance to give stability to the middle order. One, out of two win, come on. Ponting donated that win. You will loose 70% match for sure and just see your own batting. I am just disappointed by your silly comment.

  • rajputs on August 2, 2010, 23:13 GMT

    we ll said SALMAN BUTT, but the matter is of two y`s,kindly see records of yousaf( i personally grades him one the best batsman in the history of Pakistan) can anyone tell that when he last performed to save or win match? nd we ll see this time also how HAJI YOUSAF sb performs as he is inn now with CALL from A big gun, about younas, GOOD BATSMAN and very very bad person on field nd for team see the videos of his innings wats he doing he seems a drama in field not a person representing a nation.YOUNAS STANDS AMONG THE ONE`S WHO DESTROYS TEAM UNITY.so its not matter of salman butt who dnt want them inn, its anyone who is captain d`nt want younas inn except fawad alam.

  • mrcruizy on August 2, 2010, 23:05 GMT

    well said butt.. i agree, a captan should b patient enough with his team. and yes pak team can't win every single game they play.. but there is a point that he actually missed and being a captain and almost senior player by now he shouldn't have missed it. and i must criticise him for this as i backed him for what he said..so it should be equaly treated..and the point he missed is that we are talking about TEST CRICKET and not T20 or ODIs.. we cannot win TEST matches with young players and specialy INEXPERIENCED players. you need to have players like younas and yousaf weather they perform or not there is always and always something for the younger players to learn from them...and those who are stricktly against the comeback of yousaf and younas actually lost this as well..they actualy are just too sentimental or against these players..the benefit of expereinced and old players is not always that they perform but becuase they bring so much expereince and lot can be learnt from them guys

  • on August 2, 2010, 20:46 GMT

    Hello Mr. Salman Butt. Do you think having an average of above 50 in Test cricket is a joke??? First, to comment on the Y's you better make a decent average, then we shall discuss other people's fate... Please don take it personal... Once you have such an average for a sustained period of time (even when the team is loosing) then you will know the value of solid, reliable scores in Test Cricket. You simply don respect it, because you do not know it. You are not getting it Salman, we are talking about decent scores, not winning matches.... And Mr. Waqar, you do not know anything about batting, so please try to save your job.

  • M_H_K on August 2, 2010, 19:51 GMT

    Its the time to forget the two Y's, time to look ahead. It was also nice to see that Salman Butt is supporting his team mates after the loss. Both Y's were used to point fingers publicly at their team mates after the loss during their captaincies. PCB and management should also show some patience towards the new comers. They should give a youngster enough chances before reaching to final conclusion.

  • AjaySinghNY on August 2, 2010, 18:50 GMT

    Instead of bringing back Yousuf, they should hire good batting coach. Pakistan team is struggling against pack attack.

  • on August 6, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    I think Mr. Butt doesn't know that pakistan won test match against australia due to their BOWLING not because of battting...

  • oman20101982 on August 3, 2010, 12:57 GMT

    Well Bringing back the two y's is not about whats gonna win matches but its also about justice . Poeple who average over fifty are out cause they are 35 , whil poeple who cant put bat to ball in swinging conditions are in the team cause they are young , anyone get me in the team i m young too , and can bat well , maybe as time passes i ll be good batsman too . I pray Justice is done in Sports / all matters of life and everywhere in the world and Our country .... I love salman butt and have played under his captaincy in model town greens and loved his batting . Talking like that about Pakistan most best batsmen , one recieved an award two years ago , most runs scored , other one was World cup winning Side s Captain . Aah i dont know whgats happeing in our minds ... i can only say ... God Help us ....

  • dmqi on August 3, 2010, 2:50 GMT

    The top 7 English players who batted have test average above 40, few close to 50 and one above 50. Here is the data for Butt and company:

    Butt : 31.6 Kamran : 32 Umar: 35.6 Malik : 34.8 Farhat : 33.5 Others are new, so they do not deserve to be in this list. Now is there any idiot in this world who would expect for this C grade team ( excluding the 3 bowlers) to be competitive? Try Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. You may have some luck, but I am not sure.

    Build a team with C graders? Do not forget 0 + 0 = 0, simple math. Morning shows the day.

  • dmqi on August 3, 2010, 2:21 GMT

    I am amassed to see how many supporters have agreed with the statement of Salman Butt and Waker Yunus. It looks to me that they are following the hopeless PCB. My prediction is this: You will loose every test as your two bowlers will not sustain the burden for too many innings. There is very little chance that the failed batsmen will produce any miracle. Mr. Butt, wait till the completion of the tour, I bet many will demand for a new captain. And Mr Malik and Kamran Akaml are waiting to fill up your slot. You know PCB is playing a circus and you are all part of it. Just check what the English and west Indies commentators said about the two Y's in last few days. They are all world famous players or commentators. Do they understand less than you or the coach? Have mercy. You do not build a team during test match. You had 10 years for that and your boss failed miserably to do that. How do you expect to succeed when your own records are below average?

  • dmqi on August 3, 2010, 2:08 GMT

    Mr. Salman Butt:

    Your position in the team was not certain just few months ago, you became captain because Afridi dropped out. If he would stay you would not be captain in few years. At 22-23, not many captain has been successful. Just see the great Tendulker. Your statement about the two Y's just show how eager you are to keep them away. If you understand the subject called statistics, and probability, you should understand who has better chance to succeed, you and your junk batsmen or the two Y's. Yes, they may fail in few innings but they have a much better chance to give stability to the middle order. One, out of two win, come on. Ponting donated that win. You will loose 70% match for sure and just see your own batting. I am just disappointed by your silly comment.

  • rajputs on August 2, 2010, 23:13 GMT

    we ll said SALMAN BUTT, but the matter is of two y`s,kindly see records of yousaf( i personally grades him one the best batsman in the history of Pakistan) can anyone tell that when he last performed to save or win match? nd we ll see this time also how HAJI YOUSAF sb performs as he is inn now with CALL from A big gun, about younas, GOOD BATSMAN and very very bad person on field nd for team see the videos of his innings wats he doing he seems a drama in field not a person representing a nation.YOUNAS STANDS AMONG THE ONE`S WHO DESTROYS TEAM UNITY.so its not matter of salman butt who dnt want them inn, its anyone who is captain d`nt want younas inn except fawad alam.

  • mrcruizy on August 2, 2010, 23:05 GMT

    well said butt.. i agree, a captan should b patient enough with his team. and yes pak team can't win every single game they play.. but there is a point that he actually missed and being a captain and almost senior player by now he shouldn't have missed it. and i must criticise him for this as i backed him for what he said..so it should be equaly treated..and the point he missed is that we are talking about TEST CRICKET and not T20 or ODIs.. we cannot win TEST matches with young players and specialy INEXPERIENCED players. you need to have players like younas and yousaf weather they perform or not there is always and always something for the younger players to learn from them...and those who are stricktly against the comeback of yousaf and younas actually lost this as well..they actualy are just too sentimental or against these players..the benefit of expereinced and old players is not always that they perform but becuase they bring so much expereince and lot can be learnt from them guys

  • on August 2, 2010, 20:46 GMT

    Hello Mr. Salman Butt. Do you think having an average of above 50 in Test cricket is a joke??? First, to comment on the Y's you better make a decent average, then we shall discuss other people's fate... Please don take it personal... Once you have such an average for a sustained period of time (even when the team is loosing) then you will know the value of solid, reliable scores in Test Cricket. You simply don respect it, because you do not know it. You are not getting it Salman, we are talking about decent scores, not winning matches.... And Mr. Waqar, you do not know anything about batting, so please try to save your job.

  • M_H_K on August 2, 2010, 19:51 GMT

    Its the time to forget the two Y's, time to look ahead. It was also nice to see that Salman Butt is supporting his team mates after the loss. Both Y's were used to point fingers publicly at their team mates after the loss during their captaincies. PCB and management should also show some patience towards the new comers. They should give a youngster enough chances before reaching to final conclusion.

  • AjaySinghNY on August 2, 2010, 18:50 GMT

    Instead of bringing back Yousuf, they should hire good batting coach. Pakistan team is struggling against pack attack.

  • on August 2, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    Butt must have big sponsor !!! is he deserving captain??? PCB lack of vision and future strategy has spoiled team environment and team spirit..... I was hoping this admin will amend mistakes made by Naseem's administration but NO ....... Lets hope PCB get it right now and let youngsters play with seniors and build good spirit by counselling them.... good luck Pakistan .....

  • Imran.Yusuf on August 2, 2010, 16:50 GMT

    Please Mr Butt, give us all a break! Please. It just doesn't suit ordinary player with an average of just 32.0 in test matches, to give comments on players such as Younis Khan and Muhammad Yousuf. It just don't. When Inzamam became the captain, he had one task in hand: improve his captaincy skills. I am afraid you have got two things to improve upon: your captaincy as well as your batting skills. Instead of trying to block the way of great batsmen, you should try to improve your average a little. And btw, how many matches have Mr. Butt won for Pakistan? You are the captain as long as the other Mr. Butt is in the board. Things in PCB dont take long to turnover! Best of luck!

  • on August 2, 2010, 16:24 GMT

    Salman Butt seems to be thinking cricketer. Hope PCB persist with him as captain. What happened to Misabh. He could have been a better choice or Asif Kamal. These players could have bolsetered the middle order.

  • Hassan.Farooqi on August 2, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    With Butt winning the second test against Australia, lot many jumped in the air and said, "Pakistan has finally got he right captain". My response was that of the Village Zen Master i.e. "We shall see".

  • on August 2, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    Having your own views is a good thing but making efforts to hijack a blog using multiple ids is not a good practice. A regular visitor can notice many of new ids expressing the same viewpoint. Admin should check the ip address to make it sure. This is not good way to defend Salman Butt.

    Lastly Salman Butt declare IK to be his ideal, but didn't learn anything from him. He too had differences with Salim Malik, Miandad, even Sarfaraz Nawaz. But did he drop them out from his team? Never. Sarfaraz Nawaz was dropped out from the team in 1986-87 when Wasim Akram became his viable replacement.

    Principle no 1: If you don't like some player but team needs him, compromise with him within certain parameters.

  • Uzi-Khan on August 2, 2010, 15:54 GMT

    Surely the captaincy has gotten to Salman Butt's head? Does he seriously think that Umar Amin, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal are good enough to replace the greatness of Younis and Yousuf?

  • on August 2, 2010, 14:38 GMT

    what the hell is salman butt saying?as a pakistani i m feeling very much embarassed on this defeat.we dont mind defeat if it is been excepted by fighting hard in the ground.our bowlers bowld really well but the batsmen amade them disappointed.i dont think taht 2 brothers umar and kamran has any place in the team but salman is consistent to play kamran and umar i dont know why?i dont think this team can win without having two y,s.yes they won by australia but england is much better side than australia.they have strong batting and bowling lineup.

  • khanq on August 2, 2010, 14:06 GMT

    yep.. u r right Salman... just give another chance to Fawad

  • irfanamd on August 2, 2010, 13:23 GMT

    Butt himself is a pathetic batsman with Test average of 31.06. He himself does not deserve to be in the team. But its very common in Pakistan that the undeserved become the leaders (look at Ijaz Butt). With Ys included and performing well he wouldn't be able to justify his batting failures. So obviously his answer would be no to Ys.

    Yes youngsters should be encouraged to and groomed but you do not do this so suddenly axing your senior players and giving the responsibility to some teenagers. Youngsters learn techniques playing along with senior and experienced batsmen rather than giving them more chances on the crease. Umer Amin is too young to take the no. 4 position. Azhar has shown some mental toughness and he can be trained well with these senior players on the ground.

  • trueanalyst on August 2, 2010, 13:13 GMT

    Mr Vasi-Koosi, what exciting talent you are talking about.Bowlers are ok but batsmen are C grade,not even a single batsman averages 40 whereas atleast a couple of batsmen in major teams average more than 50.It has become a fad for people to call Pakistan team as an exciting team while the truth is they are C grade team with a few decent bowlers.

  • buggzy on August 2, 2010, 12:45 GMT

    The only reason butt is worried beacuse if younis comes back that would be the end of his captaincy.. I dont even rate butt as a batsman just admit pakistan fans your days are numbered in test matches.. theres no world class batsman comin out of pakistan the last batsman was yussaf end of..its sad but true how can you send in umar and azhar at number 3 and 4 what where they thinkin good luck pakistan or should i say rip pakistan cricket

  • on August 2, 2010, 12:42 GMT

    this team include all players of twenties , no one palayer in this team to stand one day on creaz ,,,, you people know these things. only your bowlers are good.

  • decent_zeeshan on August 2, 2010, 11:57 GMT

    Butt is much more concerened about his captaincy that's why so reluctant to call the senior guys. I agree that young players are the way to go but they are trained in the presence of senior players. As he said before accepting captaincy againt Australia that i was ready for this and and we do not need Ys...we wil make them heros...So i think he should think over his attitude as his own performance is not so good to say such words...and most importantly Yusuf and Younis both have tremendous record in England...so nice to see Yusuf back....come on pakistan's batsmens...give the bowlers some support and everyone will see that England wil not be difficult to beat.....

  • malepas on August 2, 2010, 11:38 GMT

    I am more convinced now that this PAK Team has formed a group of mediocre bunch of cricketers consists of Malik (sound familiar?),Akmal brothers with Butt(he feels his job will be on line if the seniors make a comeback) and backed by the Manager Saeed(best friend of Ijaz Butt) to resist the comeback of two Y's, these are the very people who plotted against them on various accasions,split them and pit them against eachother, so they can fail as captains so these lum nuts can cement thier places in the team. The main culprit of all this infighting has been recognised by nealy all the previous managers and captains was SHOIB MALIK and he is still in this team at the expense of the 2 most senior players this Pak team can do with. What a load of rubbish coming from Butt.

  • M_H_K on August 2, 2010, 11:24 GMT

    Its good to see Butt is backing his team. The point which was missing during Younis and Yousaf captaincies. They were always ready to blame their team mates after the loss.

  • AbrarAhmed on August 2, 2010, 11:23 GMT

    There's valid arguments for both sides of the issue, but my view is that if on is looking to build on the future, one has to make a stand, instead of engaging in knee-jerk reactions. The worst mistake at this stage would be take a regressive step in bringing back the two "Y"s. It smacks of desperation and displays a lack of confidence in the present incumbents; hardly a morale booster or incentive to play better. This is a huge learning curve for this young team, and having made a decision the Board should allow the team to play as a unit, and feel that they are a unit.

    I heard that Inzi has offered his services as a batting coach, and this would be a godsend to the present batting lineup, in learning the ability to play late to counteract the swinging conditions, whcih balls to leave, less aerial shots, and the ability to construct an innings over a long period.

  • M_H_K on August 2, 2010, 11:21 GMT

    We should forget the old horses. Keep inducting new blood in the team.

  • Riz.Khan on August 2, 2010, 11:07 GMT

    Mr.Butt there is no place for kamran & umar akmal in team why u want to go with them. Keeping is the first task for a keeper but akmal failed to make an impact. Replace Kamran with Haider: umar akmal with yasir

  • rizwan_nomi on August 2, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    Apart from Butt's statement, I would point out managerial issues with the team. Manager Yawar Saeed is with the team for quite a while but the discipline in the team has always been an issue. The atmosphere of dressing room is very bad. There is no harmony among the senior and junior players. Very basic mistakes are committed by team and captain but there is no counseling by manager. Due to poor performance of team many captains, coaches, and management has been changed but this fellow is in his place except for some tough last tours like Australia and New zealand. In my opinion PCB should change this manager and bring a competent and honest manager. Tahir Masood Qureshi, Lahore, Pakistan

  • chauka-chikka on August 2, 2010, 10:50 GMT

    With the exception of the three seamers, non of the others really merit their place in the team. Our top six as a batting unit average less than the england bottom six (more or less!), that speaks for itself. I do not think Butt, Farhat, Amin, Ukmal brothers and Malik should be in the team. I would rather have the two Ys any day of the week. Our current batsmen do not have what it takes to succeed at test level, Butt, Farhat, Malik & Kamran have been around for a long time and they have been consistently poor. Our clueless batting display was an embarrasment, I reckon my local school team can bat better then these players who are meant to represent their national team. I don't know what the politics of PCB is but the future is far from being bright with this team (bowling aside). Butt cannot captain a side if he is not leading by example and producing results himself. He may have a calm head but he has no talent or ability at the top level. Am feeling very pessimistic at the moment!

  • on August 2, 2010, 10:39 GMT

    Pakistan cricket always gets it wrong.To groom youngsters, you need senior/experience/proven players in the team. Wasim and Waqar exited in similar fashion, where they werent given opportunity to groom players like Muhammad Sami, Rana Naved etc

  • Amir_D on August 2, 2010, 10:38 GMT

    Younis Khan should be in the team for sure, its so obvious!!! Look at the poor batting, we must have a mixture of experience and youngsters. However this team is full of inexperience, how will these players learn anything and get confidence? The older player will help them, this is the normal way of doing things! Then when the older lot retire we have good players to take over, if you put youngsters all in together then you will lose test series for the next 2/3 years. Wasim, Waqar, Inzi, Miandad, Ijaz, Salim Malik, Anwar, Sohail, Saqlain, Mushy, Yousuf and Younis all got help from other players.

  • on August 2, 2010, 10:37 GMT

    Just because Butt don't like the 2 Ys, it doesn't lower their value. For mr. Butt's information, if they were unable to pull some wins despite their presence, then you also not new to the setup. You were also part of the team during those times. So why should we remain persistent with you? And most of the times it is your (and other openers') failures that these guys had to arrive at the pitch as early as 10th - 15th over. Who are you yourself? What is on your credit? except a few words in english and a below par average of 29? What else Mr. Butt?

  • lalu149 on August 2, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    mohammed yousuf doesnt hv any selfrespect taking retirement and coming back again and again he is making a joke of himself in name of earning respect from PCB

  • aakash12345 on August 2, 2010, 10:30 GMT

    if i am the selector i wll select the team for next three test matches are 1.salman butt 2. yasir hameed 3. younis khan 4. m,yousuf 5. fawad alam/asim kamal 6. kamran akmal 7. razzaq/u.akmal 8 amir 9. gul 10. raza hasan 11. asif

  • KiwiRocker- on August 2, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    This is non sense. Salman Butt is very lucky to be in the team. He averages in mid 30's and surely he has been in good form but he is best batsman of Pakistan is all over hyped stuff. Salman Butt is a poor choice as a captain.Pakistan needs Yousaf and Younis. Muhammad Yousaf has made mistakes such as joining ICL etc but man has a class and has proven himself.Younis Khan is best available captain for Pakistan while Umar Gul should ne vice captain. Both Akmal brothers should be dropped.Umar AKmal is over hyped.He has won nothing for Pakistan. Who is Umar Amin? He has not scored more than 30 in last 3 test matches. Good to see Kaneria being dumped. Why is Yasir Hameed not there? Asim Kamal should be recalled. He is a fighter with 8 fifties in 12 test matches along with Khurram Maznoor who did so well in Australia. Top Six for Pakistan: Khurram, Yasir, Younis, Yousaf,Azhar Ali and Asim Kamal along with Zulqarnain as wicketkeeper although Sarfraz is much better!These pretenders need to Go.!

  • doctorwho on August 2, 2010, 10:08 GMT

    pakistan is again same termoil. the inner politics between players have hurt pakistani cricket more than anything. during these times of crisis ( country in middle of war) when Pakistan needed some relief and happiness from their sporting heroes. they are just getting this from their cricket team.

    I wish good luck to Pakistani team . ...

  • femer on August 2, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    I am all for the infusion of youth, but one has to be practical. Butt the captain is a bit insecure if any of the ys are bought back. He seems like a smart man, but is living in denial. The pakistani fans are getting sick o the continuous pasting. At headingly we got lucky because Ponting chose to bat. Kindly don't live in denial guys, bring in the y's and razzak and Asim Kamal. Lat the vurrent youngsers get exposure just touring and playing a few county matches. As for the senior Butt, who is heading the PCB, well what can i say about him. The leass said the better. Keep it up guys, get smashed over and over again in the name of rebuilding. As ar as I am concerned we are always rebuilding. I have no issues with losing, but losing in that sort of ashion in a spineless manner is regretul. I would suggest that if the team bats in 20/20 fashion , then they will make more runs. Either do that, or bring in the men to replace the boys. Imaging the 2 highest scorers in the 2 innings were Gul

  • on August 2, 2010, 9:37 GMT

    I think everyone has forgotten some of the greatest test partnerships made by younus and yousuf. They are the perfect, solid middle order batsmen and they can stir england.Pakistan has a good bowling attack but sometimes they cant even chase a smaller target, but this can be cancelled out in the presence of the 2 ys. Everyone should understand this first. Not even tat, M.Yousuf is a classy player and his records in english soil is perfect....

  • Murtaza. on August 2, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    All Pakistan player are hungry for captaincy, specially Yousaf, Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Shoaib Akhtar and Salman butt. Salman but do not want two Ys in the team because he afraid that if younis or Yousaf will come back his bad captancy will be under danger. All players are just thinking for themself not for team anyway if they are loosing badly. SHAME ON YOU SALMAM., you donĀ“t want seniers in the team, remember that day you will be at same stage. the best Captain has been so far is Younis Khan. / Murtaza Hussain from Denmark

  • muhmmad7676 on August 2, 2010, 9:05 GMT

    i just hate the comments that we are a young side and people should not expect us to win.when you have that kind of mentality then obviously the results would be the same as they are right now.there is no pressure on youngsters at the moment to perform.they are told that you are young and will get better with time,which should not be the case.how will they perform unless there is pressure is on them.these clowns should get rid of this mentality and try to win otherwise their circus show would be over very soon.

  • al2qb on August 2, 2010, 9:02 GMT

    Surely the 2 Y's are NOT the answer, DEFINATELY NOT mohammed yousuf who is gonna make the team suffer further..and he;s got just a year or so left neways and what abt his horrific fielding?? maybe yasser hameed or recall of younis khan for the underperforming and way overrated shoaib malik is a much better idea but azhar ali and umar amin cant be called failures just coz they havnt performd in just their 3rd test against aussies and a worldclass english attack in bowler friendly conditions they deserve a fair chance. In my opinion yes Mr.Butt Y;s rnt the answe and win loss is part of it but show some fite for the love of god, some resiliance, some character and guts!! not 80 allout, fine 80 allout but not in 29overs common!! however yusuf is a mistake and shoib malik shud be kicked out and so too kaneria, yasser hameed or yunis khan in maliks place and SURELY ajmal instead of the nonsense kaneria. keep losing pakistan we dont mind that but show ur mettle n show some fite plz!

  • Milan31 on August 2, 2010, 8:27 GMT

    What the selectors think ? Yousuf and Younis will make Centuries after century when they are back ? Also Salman Butt needs a place where he can hide Mr. Yousuf because he is an extra fantastic fielder. should continuw with this 11.

  • cricinme on August 2, 2010, 8:25 GMT

    It is time and again proved in Pakistan cricket that when experienced and drop out players are brought in and made to play under a younger new captian they fail to perform. So why bring them in ? Salman Butt is right probably he has this in the back of his mind.

  • Zameir on August 2, 2010, 8:08 GMT

    To me our biggest problem as always is new ball that's why we require Younas Khan desperately, the reason is if you look at our strongest middle order (i.e Younas, Yousaf and Inzimam) it was in fact Younas presence at one down position, wh......o played new ball for team and team rest of the team manage to score with older ball.

    So we like it or not we can not play new ball and one down is the most important position for us for which at the time being we have only Younas available unless we develop some one else which require lot of time

    I do not think with out securing one down position even presence of Yousaf will make any big difference We need some one who can play first 30 overs than our young players can be in position to score

    If you do not cure where the problem is you will fail so its still 4-0 series to me unless bowlers do some miracle to bowled England out for under 100

  • ahmadzubeee on August 2, 2010, 8:07 GMT

    There is no point in ignoring the two Ys. They are the most important and experienced batsmen in the team having averages of 50 plus. Every body else in the team has an average of below 40. I could not agree with Butt that this is the best team. The bowling department is definitely up to the mark but the batting line up is quite fragile. If you loose a match, it is also important that how you loose it. We have never lost by such a big margin in recent years in the prescence of the two Ys.

  • NaveedRizvi on August 2, 2010, 8:06 GMT

    The idea of a young team would have been digestible if we had goten rid of Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik from the team. How? Butt How? can a player of Shoaib Malik's technique be in any test team when players like Yasir Hameed, Asim Kamal and even Muhammad Waseem have rotted away. Even Afridi would have had a higher utility value then Shoaib Malik. Why in the last four years have enough chances been given to Sarfaraz Ahmed even against teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh?

  • JMalik on August 2, 2010, 7:59 GMT

    I disagree with both Butt & Waqar. Butt is fortunate to get captaincy despite his mediocre test average. He is immature as a captain in the game as well as in his thoughts. First. look into his personal performance in batting, feild placing & bowling changes. English centuries in both innings confirms it. Secondly, his comments on Kamran, who is out of form nowadays, exposes his level of thoughts as well. A mature captain had recognized his poor form & boldly stated that he needs rest to improve his wicket keeing & batting form. As a captain one should be patriot rather a friend. The match was lost mainly due to Kamran's mistakes which resulted huge score & also due to early loss of Butt in both innings which put extra pressure on players. Moreover, Aamir should have been sent as night watchman instead of 2 youngsters. Butt/Waqar have not understood that nation wants the team should fight irrespective of result of the test. Such a hopeless performance justifies the inclusion of 2 Ys.

  • owaisvirani on August 2, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    When Paksitan lost two test matches during the last tour of England, that was mainly due to the bowling line-up which was very impotent due to injuries to Shoaib Akhtar and Muhammad Asif. Once they returned everybody knows that Darrel Hair had to gift the match to England after conceding a lead of above 300 runs. Therefore, it is imperative that batting should be strengthened by the return of the two Ys and they can combine with the young guns to to become a good batting unit. This inexperienced batting line-up requires two to three years polishing with the experienced players and than they will be able to face the music on their own. Butt is afraid of losing captaincy because his own performance has not been good during the last test and he knows that Pakistani people make heroes and zeroes in a matter of minutes and hours, so his first test heroics can be lost in no time. But I think he should be positive and Yousuf has already said that he can play under any captain. So cheers....

  • Acton49 on August 2, 2010, 7:29 GMT

    What are people talking about. This is the way forward .... Who is kidding who. The batting is a joke.... they have no idea what is going on! 47 -6 in the first inning and 41- 7 in the second inning. Our tailenders are better than the top order. Why are we burying our head in the sands. We will never get another 4 match test series! Two match series are the max in this climate. The selectors should hold their head in shame. 1) Salman Butt - does not know where his off stumps is 2) Imran Farhat - does not know where his off stumps is as well 3) Azhar Ali - could be retained 4) Umar Amin - Found wanting need two season on A tour duty 5) Umar Akmal - the hype is over for him as the next Javed Miandad 6) Shoaib Malik - should be retained. 7) Kamran Akmal - Should the given the boot! He has been the culprit of Sydney Test and now Nottingham. he can'e keep and certainaly cannot bat. Then the tail-ender the real find for Pakistan capable of taking 20 wickets.

  • on August 2, 2010, 7:13 GMT

    I m with Salman Butt and Waqar, there is no point getting impatient so early, instead of people crying out for 2 Y's please cry out for a Geniune Test Batting coach, and none other than Inzamam, who has already offered his services for Pakistan team. They should call him to England immediately to teach the youngsters some technique and patience.

    People to should learn to deal with whatever is available with you. I serously doubt 2 Y's will have a major impact cuz they are not any test match practice. Just like KP who is also strugling due to lack of form.

  • Kamran_Pakistan on August 2, 2010, 7:12 GMT

    Hahaha... Cunning stuff from Butt, just like you would expect from a king who was made to head a kingdom purely on the basis of nepotism/ favoritism or even luck. He knows best how he would lose his captaincy and even his place in the side if any of the quality players returns, of course his batting averages less than even Afridi's, Just look at the batting averages of England's number 7 and 8 batsmen, one 40 and the other 30 and yet u see the Pakistan batting line up being headed by a batsman having a mediocre average of 32? On top of that he's your captain, he should feel himself lucky that not a single catch headed towards him in the Aus series plus this Test against England otherwise you would have seen the worst fielder of the world in action, he's the captain coz it was his turn, next Akmals and perhaps after that Imran Farhat..What a strong lobby they have made.. Butt, Malik, Akmal brothers..Of course to be able to speak fluent English does not mean you are honest and worthy...

  • uzleo on August 2, 2010, 6:29 GMT

    well said mr butt....bringing back two y's won't solve the problem..we have lost test matches via batting when they were in the team!!!plus i don't see them playing well with andersen n broad bowling so well in eng overcast conditions!!!so better go with youngsters!!!maybe fawad alam in place of umer amin

  • indiafinda on August 2, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    Salman Butt, you are right. I agree with you. This is probably the best pakistani team in years. Don't give up hope.

  • on August 2, 2010, 6:09 GMT

    I think it's time we employed a batting coach. I really like the England model where Gooch, the highest run getter for the country, is part of the unit on a full time basis and just gets on with his job. He is not in Flower's way or trying to get media attention. I agree with Salman Butt's comments about Yousuf & Younus as the results speak themselves. Lets work with a young team and give them coaching and courage.

  • on August 2, 2010, 5:25 GMT

    Couldnt have agreed more with butt. He's spot on.

  • Vasi-Koosi on August 2, 2010, 5:22 GMT

    Pakistan have been one of the exciting teams to lookout for the sheer raw talent they spring every year. They have been ridden with problems a lot. The Y's are good, but their attitude has been in question of late. Younis - has been shooting off his mouth Yousf - Abandoned ship I am glad Butt has a good head on his shoulders. I see a sense of calmness in him and he chooses his words in every press conference. This is a hall-mark of a good leader, I just hope he gets a longer rope than he gives to his team-mates.

  • on August 2, 2010, 5:17 GMT

    salman butt is a fooolllll..... he should know the value of younus and yousuf. Just because he dont LIKE the 2 ys, he is putting up a show like this. What the hell did umar aamin and azhar ali do? they both are youngsters and this is a test match, mind you.. u need 2 hve patience. Above all this they r pushed up the order. No point in this. The 2 ys can take up this place. I hve no doubt in tat. Salman Butt is another Ijaz Butt. I feel both the butt should leave their post..

  • Madmast_Hathi on August 2, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    I agree with Butt....the Ys are not the answer. Bring back Imran Khan. Hopefully, there will be some order in the team. I predict a 3-0 loss for Pakis and one test will be washed out.

  • on August 2, 2010, 3:43 GMT

    Pakistan should have won the test series in New Zealand 2-0 instead of 1-1. We should have drawn a series in Srilanka 1-1 instead of 0-2 and the series in Austalia should have been 2-1 instead on 3-0 if the conspiracies were not there in which Malik, Akmal brother, Yawar Saeed and possiblly Butt was involved One would have to watch how Butt got out in few of these matches, especially when we needed 70 to 80 runs to win in Srilanka Pakistan batting is nothing without 2 Y`s

  • alamgir09 on August 2, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    I don't know why butt and waqar feel discomfort about yousuf and younis while pak desparately need succeed in test arena. Pak needs both of them(YS) to rescue from the sink. Pak doesn't need bowling coach at the moment rather then they need a batting specialise.

  • Himayun on August 2, 2010, 3:00 GMT

    Butt is having the best form of his life. Despite that, when all said and done, after the English tour his batting average would be close to half of that of Yusuf! A great achievement for Salman Butt I must say. With his mediocre batting average of close to 30, Salman Butt would not even be selected in B. Desh's test side. While Tamim was hammering the Englis bowling in the same conditions not too long ago, Butt is living up to his name! These shameless arrogant mediocre players should eat a crow and do the right thing. I wonder how would they behave if any of them had the tour like Yusuf had in the last trip to England? Look at the great players like Hashim Amla, who lets his bat do the talking just like Yusuf and Younus! An empty pot makes most noise!

    Himayun Mirza, USA

  • jawaid1 on August 2, 2010, 2:58 GMT

    Butt is thinking from a place like his name. Check the past stats if Pakistan bowling line up was like what it is right now Pakistan would have won more matches when two Ys were in team bcause they were scoring with decent consistency.

  • EddyM on August 2, 2010, 2:28 GMT

    It is very obvious that they don't want the old gaurd back. I am sure that part of it is to protect their positions (especially Butt's).

    Pakistan cannot continue with such a pathetic middle order. Umar Akmal averages below 25 if you take his matches against NZ away from his record.

    Umar Amin cannot buy a run. Azhar Ali at least looks half decent.

    If they back the unit, why have they dropped Kaneria? Hardly showing faith.

    They need some experience in there. Do you think an experienced player would have told Azhar Ali not to take the review?

  • FarhatAliZaidy on August 2, 2010, 2:17 GMT

    "Pakistan's captain and coach are keen to stick with their current batting group, despite their struggles at Trent Bridge " How can some one convinced them when they do"nt want to be conviced.Look at this side which player is in position to challenge the wrong doing of management or captain.Listen carefully Mr.Waqar Younis &" SIR." Salman Butt please keep it in your mind that, this is Not your own privately running club,this is Pakistan"s national side and you are hired ones to serve properly and honestly.And here you are to secure your own SEATS.If the current PCB set up goes you will be accompaning them with their departure.Ys are not great but better players .better than this whole batting line up.Test matches not are Nurseries where you made crickters.here you can only shine them according to their abilities not to teach them the basics .Miandad,Inzamam, yousaf ,zaheer,mohsin or younis khan ,W.bari or saleem yousaf all of them shown their class within Ist or 2cnd match.

  • Yassar on August 2, 2010, 2:05 GMT

    I think both Salman Butt & Waqar Younis need to be realistic. The Pakistan team needs both Mohammad Yousuf & Younis Khan..no doubt! Both are experienced & proven players & players that would get into any team in the world. Pakistan needs to utilise it's best players and as far as batsmen go there are not any better than them two. We have seen in the three test matches played by Pakistan so far that the current batsman simply are not good enough to play test match cricket. The only way these younger potentials will get better is, one by playing test cricket and not overdosing on twenty20 and odi cricket and also by playing with experienced & world class players. These younger players will learn a lot quicker by playing with the likes of Yousuf & Younis than just sticking it out.

  • Woody111 on August 2, 2010, 1:16 GMT

    Difficult decisions for Pakistan. It really is going backwards to bring back the Ys - what good did it do in Aus? I like how Butt is backing the team he's got. There's no doubt the middle order is brittle but most are trying. Remember that if Pakistan could field at an international standard Eng would not have got 350 odd in the first innings. I say stick with who you've got; dropping Amin or Ali so soon into their careers sends a clear message that you won't give guys a chance. Here's two tours comprising 6 tests to let these young players develop. Give them the whole tour and make judgements on the tour as a whole once you get back home. Some may be up for the long haul and some may not. But two things are for certain; Kamran Akmal is not a keeper and Umar Akmal needs a stern talking to.

  • santhoshkudva on August 2, 2010, 1:04 GMT

    salman butt needs to be reminded that though the two senior batsmen cant win matches on their own, they are far ahead of the younger crop in terms of technique, talent and temperament.yousuf is a bad runner between wickets, and because of his running pakistan might have lost on some runs, but he never runs his batting partners out, something salman butt is good at.

  • smudgeon on August 1, 2010, 22:50 GMT

    The current bunch of bastmen have talent in spades, but they need some guidance and experience. And Inzamam has it right - they lack the patience required of test batsmen. With a couple of experienced hands in the side like Younis & Yousuf (and a board re-shuffle, perhaps?), this could surely help to shape a formidable batting line-up. Add this to one of the world's most exciting emerging bowling attacks and Pakistan's future could be looking rosy.

  • TEST_CRICKET_ONLY on August 1, 2010, 22:33 GMT

    And what of the talk about "a new dawn" after the win against Australia ? Pakistan seem to have got ahead of themselves again. The bowling attack is good, especially when the ball is swinging, but the batting is poor to say the least, and the fielding is sub-standard. Kamral Akmal is so bad behind the stumps that he makes Haddin look world class - and he isn't. His batting doesn't warrant his inclusion in the side, so I wonder why he is still there. A long way to go yet Pakistan.

  • BUTT_093 on August 1, 2010, 22:12 GMT

    Thats the kind of faith that is needed by a captain in his players to extract the best performances out of them. However, maybe I'm being too critical here, but I did not see a proper captaincy response from Salman Butt in various situations in the match. For example smiling after Farhat had dropped another catch of Eoin Morgan on the 3rd morning and sticking with Umer Amin when the tailenders were batting in the 2nd innings and allowing them another easy 70-80 runs (which proved irrelevant in the end though). Bringing the Ys on this tour might bring stability to the batting order for the time being but not only will it deprive the young batsmen in the team from valuable experience and confidence, but also make the sacrifices of playing them in the previous 3 tests irrelevant.

  • on August 1, 2010, 21:50 GMT

    They needs the two Y's so the others can learn from them for a year or two, the two best players in pak team are out of the side whilst they have malik which seems unfair. He has caused the most problems within the team!!

  • adidlsljs on August 1, 2010, 21:35 GMT

    butt is simply insecure - i mean his record is zero compared to yousuf, he fears that yousuf will come back and score a hundred... what butt says is rubbish - you do not get out for 80 and then say please give us time! the team plays like school boys, kamran akmal is supposedly a professional if after 50 tests he cant take straight forward catches then when will he? butt stand up welcome back yousuf and younase and dont fear your own performance being rubbish if u are good enoug then let ur bat do the talking...

  • on August 1, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    guys give yaseer hameed a chance....................going back to rtired yousuf will be a backward step...............give guys like misbah, faisal iqbal a chance who can play for coming years

  • Zahidsaltin on August 1, 2010, 21:16 GMT

    EVEN BANGLADESH WERE A BETTER BATTING LINE THAN YOU LOSERS. MAN OF THE MATCH FOR OUR BEST BATSMEN & TOP SCORERS IN BOTH INNINGS UMAR GUL & KENERIA. IF THEY DIDN'T PERFORM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN UNDER 60 IN BOTH INNINGS. WHAT A TALENT

  • khans79 on August 1, 2010, 21:16 GMT

    I do not agree with butt comments, the two Ys are difinately the two best batsmen pakistan currently has, if butt tries to be open minded and think for the sake of the team and country and accept them both would only benifit pakistan cricket, can you leave out both clarke nad ponting of aus team if they are both fit and keen to play, i guess not, but the problem with us is that we always play for personal pride not for the country.

  • Zahidsaltin on August 1, 2010, 21:12 GMT

    ARE THEY PLAYING their personal games or what?? Mr. Salman BUTT, you are a captain out of circumstances and not because you are a world class batsman with 32 in batting average. ALTHOUGH pakistan have lost in the past but tell me if the losses were so shamefull as the one you just suffered. You are talking about batsmen with dobble centuries in England and with averages of 65 and 52 in England. WHY you people always get some excuses to prove yourselves right. The matches You just lost had Umar Gul and Keneria as top scorers respectively in both innings. Your team is not good for more than 150 on England wickets. Inzi, Y & Y are tigers of this game compared to you all batsmen as rabits. You people call them talent who score 20s and 30s while all other teams bring in people who start scoring hundreds to begin with. Even Prior is so much better batsman than all of u. Shame on you BUTTs

  • rookie4u on August 1, 2010, 21:11 GMT

    The current team is probably the most in-experienced team for a long time. They can't play so many newcomers at the same time. They need tough players like Yousuf/Younis not only to strengthen the middle order but also to pass-on whatever they've learnt while playing with great skippers like Akram & Inzi.. Also, they should make Mallik play at No.3 rather than making him bat so late down. Umar Akmal, Azhar Ali & Umar Amin are all talented and should get opportunities. But, they all cannot play together in the same team. The batting becomes very vulnerable in all. Goodluck Yousuf.

  • on August 1, 2010, 21:01 GMT

    I don;t know why cricket politics played in our team, why captain and waqar the coach are against the senior players. the young players not show any thing in the last three test matches, and salam I don't know why favour thee player, I think he wants to make a group of young players who xan favour to him. I am notshure wheather he will be able to retain his captaincyafter the England tour or might be kiked out. He himself as a opner proved nothing and lways out in the very begning of the match which is a very bad effect of young players like azahar and Umer Amin.

  • avmd on August 1, 2010, 20:33 GMT

    The way Salman has faced the big defeat shows his character, he has not given up the hope. I agree absolutely with Waqar and Butt, no reason to bring back Yusuf. Test cricket is not a joke, even Bradman would have required some fitness and form to return to test criekt and Yusuf, a very good batsman of the past is not the answer to the situation Pak team is in. Why blame young batsmen only, what about Kamran, Kaneria and "experienced" Umar Akmal. Why we are persisting with Kamran. I would not recall Bari for him, would give chance to the new guy Haider. Good to know Hasan Raza replacing Kaneria, he is talented but not ready for test cricket yet, hope they won't play him in test. Let Saeed Ajmal play.

  • Daniel_Cartwright on August 1, 2010, 19:37 GMT

    Pakistan should stick to the current batting line up. Experience will do the youngsters good.

  • on August 1, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    pretty much poor thinking i must say .......

  • smartsquirrel1 on August 1, 2010, 19:26 GMT

    This guy (Salman Butt) is seriously deluded. How on earth can u defend performances like these? Ok granted i admit the side is new but ive seen club level batting that is better than what their batsman put up. An inept show which adds no confidence or faith in the bowling attack. Fielding is STILL abysmal.

    There are batsman in the team that have played 30 odd tests now and yet struggle to average over 35. Mr Butt himself cannot justify his place in the team after putting in a decent performance after every 10 tests or so.

    Oh yeah and after every defeat i can expect the win against Aus and inexperience excuses will be milked dry.

  • nawwabsahab on August 1, 2010, 19:24 GMT

    no harm in loosing with new guys but there is a need to kick out farhat, butt and kamran instantly. put all new guys in the team. why butt and farhat are holy cows? how many wins they gave to pak while being part of the team ? everybody know that butt and farhat cant play swing and bounce like every other dumboo pak batsmen. we need to look at more kids not people like butt and farhat who are still new comers despite tons of experiance and yers of cricket under their bely.

  • ejsiddiqui on August 1, 2010, 19:14 GMT

    Mr. Butt, We are not expecting win in every game but even if there is a loss then It should be with grace and dignity.

    It should be seen that team have fought well, you came close but could not turn the table.

    This defeat is pure humiliation, you have broken the record of lowest total Pakistan ever made against England.

    So, we don't mind If you loose with fight not with staggering 354 runs (too higher then your both innings combine).

  • on August 1, 2010, 19:05 GMT

    Don't expect them to win?. Is he kidding? Why does he forget that they are professionals and r goddamn paid for what they do. If he cant deliver and make excuses for a loss even before a match has started, then my friend, he should step aside and let someone else lead the team.

  • aahd81 on August 1, 2010, 18:57 GMT

    I do agree with Salman Butt and Waqar here, they are right that the team needs to be given a chance. We've lost almost every Test tour against a meaningful country in the past few years. I don't remember winning against many at Test level so whats the fuss with bringing Yousuf back? Let them play and learn because thats what the country needs. Not the same people again and again doing nothing for the nation and everything for themselves...at all levels. In sports, religiously and politically as well.

    If it were Younis Khan I'd say yeah the guy has some team spirit but Yousuf is as selfish as they get...or maybe thats Shoaib Malik but you won't beat Yousuf by much on that count. Its a shame that Pakistan cricket is headed by the a pig headed idiot who butts into everything...including team selection.

  • on August 1, 2010, 18:35 GMT

    THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE OF CLASS AND EXPERIENCE AND IF BUTT BORNS 100 TIMES HE CANT MATCH THE CLASS OF 2YS AND PEOPLE SAID HE IS SAEED ANWAR WHICH IS MOST RUBISH THING I HAD EVER HEARD

    HE NOT KNOW WHERE HIS OFF STUMP IS AND HOW TO COPE WITH SWINGING DELIVERY

    ITS JUST THE BOWLERS WHO ARE STRUGGLE HARD FOR PAKISTAN BUT AKMAL BROTHERS AND MALIK ARE PLAYING FOR THEIR OWN AGENDA AND NOT SCORING INTENTIALLY ...... AKMAL WANT TO BE CAPTAIN OF PAKISTAN SIDE SO HE CAN BET EASLY AND CAN PLAY IN THE HANDS OF .................................

  • Mr_Cricket. on August 1, 2010, 18:23 GMT

    I think Salman Butt and Waqar Younis are missing the point regarding the records of Mohammed Yousef and Younis Khan. If they had been in the team today, Pakistan may still have lost but at least they would have put up a fight.

    The loss today was nothing short of humiliating - the build up had been that Pakistan would give England a run for their money but after today, that illusion will have been shattered. Salman Butt must be kidding himself if he thinks that the current squad is good enough to win against England - the bowling unit is good but the batting line up is pathetic.

    Also, I don't think Butt has the right to challange the calibre of the 2 Y's - just compare his average to Yousef and Younis and it is easy to say that Salman will never be in the same class as the other two. All the PCB need to now is to recall Younis and hopefully they can try and re - group and support their decent bowling attack with some quality batting.

  • Falaky on August 1, 2010, 18:21 GMT

    Stop farting Mr. Butt. Victory against Aus was just a miracle, once in blue moon. Forget it and move on. Your troops (batsmen) have been given six innings to prove their worth, we arent playing T20s here. You captaincy is abysmal, just look at your decison to go defensive when england were 9 down, yet you blame Yusuf. Why the hell you are keen with playing Akmal as a keeper, king Pair and priceless misses behind the stumps and many more to come.

  • klobania on August 1, 2010, 18:10 GMT

    mr. butt this is the tendency of pakistani captains as they feel that if they r captain they start feeling to own it they hate competitions n u r doing the same why not 2 Ys be included in the squad i agree we lost in past with this 2 vetarans but not defeated so shamelessly as what we have done here do u seriously think umar amin, danish kaneria, umar akmal, kamran akmal, azhar ali n u urself deserve a place in team. that is the problem with pak team a player who scores 2 fifties is made captain. we know youngsters cannot do havocs in their initial matches but cant they learn how to survive for even 10-20 overs. look pak top order was flopped with 15 overs what sort of patiency u r expecting frm ur fans.

  • nasir_2k45 on August 1, 2010, 18:09 GMT

    Captain & coach should not be talking like this. they should know that without seniors they cant grow..... let him to play dont put more burden on yousif also, pressure will be on him too. hope for the best good luck yousif.

  • nasir_2k45 on August 1, 2010, 18:03 GMT

    what are they talking captain & coach.why they are sticking with this line up. every body knows talended players also get big when they are playing with some one seniors.they should understand that with this line up they will be like bangaladesh- very good talend if we played according to our talend but talent will never come..... what will be effect on yousif if he will play and will know that his captain & coach dont want him.. how will be prsssure on him,we were not winning last 2-3 years thats right but we were not waste like this bowlers effort. lets see whats going to happen.

  • FW_BloomfieldHills on August 1, 2010, 17:53 GMT

    I think Salman Butt ought to show humility with grace. He has been a very poor captain in the field. Yes Pakistan won one test against Australia, lost the other by 150 runs, in which Butt was the vice captain. For Butt to make a statement of having no need for Yusuf or Yunis after the humilation of a 354 run loss, is mind boggling. Take a look at Butt's field placing and compare it with his opponent's, when both captains were using seamers under similar conditions. Abysmal is the word. Yawr Saeed the team manager, should rein in the captain and manager from make ludicrous statements to the press. Case in point Mohsin Chief Selector says Yusuf is being added to the touring side at the request of the team management. Team Captain and Manager say something totally different to the press. I need to congratulate Salman Butt for having led Pakistan to it's lowest score. Humility is something we definitely lack. England outplayed Pakistan , but I did not hear Butt or the manager say that.

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:51 GMT

    Sorry Butt but many of us cant help but wonder why your team lost the two Y's in the first place?They are much better than the Amins and Azhars of the young brigade who have no clue to play the seaming ball.Even Tamim Iqbal is a much better batsman than you.So Pakistan must have both of them in their test team for the next 2 years and give youngsters the chance to first settle themselves in the ODI team.I bet Raina and Rohit will perform better in tests after having 2-3 years of International exposure.But iam more disappointed with Umar Akmal for his lack of will to fight even though he has truckloads of talent.Less said about fielding,catching and wicket keeping the better.Common Pakistan,show some spunk and grit.

  • FIPL on August 1, 2010, 17:50 GMT

    Waoo waoo waoo. He should give Nobel award for great cricket sense. Mr Butt you should keep your mouth shut after what cricinfo told you with Stats of M Yousuf & Younis Khan. And for your KIND INFORMATION Pakistan has won the test match against Australia after 15 years just because of their BOWLING effort and you have chased 170 runs with 7 wickets down. You average 30s in test cricket you have got NO right in the world to comment on player like M Yousuf & Younis Khan who average above 50s. Pakistan's main problem is their batting and the 2 Ys are the only answer. You & Waqar are worrying about your post. Mr Butt let me tell you that you will be out of the FORM soon and then will be fighting for your place in the TEAM and by the way who you are supporting Malik, Kamran & Umer Akmal they are not fair to any one then themselves. Yousuf come on show the world what you capable of.

  • ARSHADAWAN on August 1, 2010, 17:46 GMT

    Salman butt said that expect wiin in evey game from pakistan is asking for moon. we are not asking for moon dear salman. when two sides play against each other one them has to loose. victory or defeat does not matter for us. but it,s the way that how we lost it. And thats matters.

  • wfaizi on August 1, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    as butt says"people are expecting for moon...no i think they are saying loosing is OK as long as you loose fighting and put SOME runs on ,not rollover and play dead.....what a pathetic way of loosing the game...

  • cricsecular on August 1, 2010, 17:40 GMT

    Butt you don't worry they won't take your captaincy, instead be positive and make use of them and definitely they will help you to mature and nurture the newer guys. Its very difficult for anyone to carry a load of new comers and everyone understood that but loosing this way has been a habit of the team for many years so this match no difference.

  • pakistaniblood on August 1, 2010, 17:34 GMT

    I feel Salman is totally insane if he does not need Ys or may be can not sense the feelings of pakistani people when pakistan is humiliated by incapable punjabi stuff. Pakistan management should decide on the basis of position on paper which shows the capabilities of top punjabi batsmen. It was better that Yousaf was made the captain because Salman do not even deserve to be in the side. Younas should also be recalled before further loss. Salman should be ready to voluntarily resign after another dismal showing as expected from him. I hope Imran and Umar Amin will be replaced by Yasir and Yousaf in next test. Imran and Amin should should be sent back to Pakistan by next flight before people themselves take a decision against PCB management.

  • Amjad2409 on August 1, 2010, 17:31 GMT

    Is this little clown serious! The reason why Pakistan have not won previous test matches is because while Yousaf and Younis were making runs, clowns like Butt, Farhat, Malik etc etc were not contributing. Simple really!

  • abdulhaseeb on August 1, 2010, 17:30 GMT

    is there again going to be trouble in this team.. is something fishy going on.. these batsmen are getting thrashed by the english bowlers and still dont want the legends back... i dunno y.. are they aged.. absolutely NO.. Sachin is older and is still playing and will continue to play.. its not the age that matters ,, its the runs... hope the team remains peaceful

  • Partyman on August 1, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    Interesting! Few hours after this press conference, his employers send SOS to one of those Ys. Interesting times ahead for the Pakistanis!!

  • Legal_Doosra on August 1, 2010, 17:24 GMT

    Salman Butt is sadly towing the PCB's line. Which must be part of his job description. The fact of the matter is that both Younis and Yousuf are much better batsman than the present Pakistani batting line up. We talk all we want that they never won while in England but their batting average in England is fantastic. Also they have the experience to stay at the wicket which none of the present batsmen have. One might as well pick all bowlers in the Pakistani team I bet you that they will do better than the present outfit.

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:24 GMT

    too much commercialization of cricket results in poor performances in test. Not many batsmen around the world can occupy the crease and play long inning anymore

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:22 GMT

    its notlike people are expecting the team to win every match surely thts impossible but we need to see the fighting spirit,, i mean the pitch where your number 9 can make a fifty n num8 supports him why hell havent any batsmen shown any composure?

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:19 GMT

    GUYS WAKE UP THESE PLAYERS ARE NOT PICKED FROM THE ROAD OR ANY CORNER THEY HAVE PLAYED CRICKET AT FIRST CLASS LEVEL WHAT HAPPEN TO KAMRAN WHAT HAPPEN TO UMAR THEY DIDNT PERFORM IN 2 INNING AND HARDLY ONE OR TWO OF THEM TOUCHED DOUBLE FIGURES WE ARE TIRED OF LOOSING AGAIN AND AGAIN

  • waniadil on August 1, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    Butt is telling rubbish only to hide his continous failure as batsman and inorder to save his captainship.

  • FTKhan on August 1, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    Strange that Salman Butt still considers himself as youngster and very beginner.

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:17 GMT

    icompletely agree with them..this unit may have not performed well especially with the bat, but didnt you expect this????? bringing back yousuf and younis is a step backwards and should not be taken unless you want to loss next 10 test series as well. lossing one now in english condition and finding the right combinition is not a bad result as far as i am concerned.

  • FarhatAliZaidy on August 1, 2010, 17:17 GMT

    I was only 50% convinced what Yousaf said in australia about Salman Butt that he is a selfish player not playing for the country but only to consolidate his own place in the team.It is just a matter of time two or three more test failiures like the recent ones Butt will be a History.He was the player a few months back his own place in the team was not certain and now he is leading the side with no abvious experience.He is the perfect example of "ANDHOON MAIN KAANA RAJA''.Its a tragedy when Butt said the two Ys hav"'nt won many maches ,then he must admitt that defeats were also not like these what we are facing now.Test cricket is not for where you learn to play cricket,Here you can only TEST your ability,temperament and skills that you are an exceptional player among the other fellow first class crickters.Butt"s problem is only that he wants to keep Ys out of time no matter what it cast JUST TO SAVE HIS OWN CAPTAINCY AND PLACE IN THE TEST SIDE.And God offer him a gift like YAWAR SAEED.

  • shakaib on August 1, 2010, 17:14 GMT

    another captain more worried about his captaincy than the country's pride. We dont expect this idiot to win us all the games, but to loose with dignity at least and not show a spineless performance. He is the "leading run getter" in the absence of other formidable batsmen and it also shows how bad the batting of the rest of the team is. He is the sardar of the bunch of looser batsmen. And i dont know what is the safarish behind kamran akmal, he will continue to play for us until he dies.

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:07 GMT

    I am unable to understand these sayings from waqar and salman...First of all salman was lucky as captain that ricky ponting make a wrong decision and he paid for it otheriwse i havenot seen anything extra in him as captain.Secondly it was pakistan keeping that made possible those defeats when ys were playing.In last tour to uk it was only akmal due to which pakistan lost series.pakistan never lost due to YS infact pakistan always performed better.To me even Salman butt,malik,imran and akmal none of them is test player.You may see their average which is just around 30.

  • on August 1, 2010, 17:06 GMT

    Pakistan has to get real - Australians are not at their best. Pakistan would have won test series in Australia and England home games (with 2Y's) if they have played as a unit. Younis has learned to play good innings after 6-7 years of experience at internationals level - performed really well since 2007. Now, Pakistan need youngster to play with Ys to learn to play test innings - be ready to take their place before they really retire. PCB future strategy is not clear and current strategy is not Pakistan cricket - and S. Butt is talking like he is captaining Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. Luckily Pakistan has got natural bowling talent otherwise Pakistan could be at very bottom of the test ranking.

  • Saieen on August 1, 2010, 16:57 GMT

    salman butt is not thinknig with his head and i don't want to mention what he's thinking with. if MY is not the answer [only time will tell] then who is? definitely not the bunch that salman butt is sticking with. Kamran is a pathetic WK. salman butt himself is a batsman of many flaws and his technique lacks everything that imagination can come up with. i think the only reason he is in the team is because he is the captain and only reason he is the captain is because he can speak English. Bangladesh showed more maturity and patience on their recent tour. sure they lost but they didn't crumble like a house of cards. Pakistan's win [more like Australia's mistake of batting first in the first innings] against Australia means nothing to me. had australia scored another 15-20 runs team Pakistan would easily had lost the match. i'm glad MY is recalled. however, don't thinking he'll be selected to be in the final 11. waqar and butt have voiced their "manhoos" voices and its not a good sign.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:57 GMT

    If only Indians and Pakistanis can do some trade, where in we get their bowlers and they can have some our batsman :). Some like Amol Mazumdar who never played test are far better than batsmen Pakistanis have currently while India could get some young bowlers :>

  • BoomBoomAdnan on August 1, 2010, 16:51 GMT

    Butt consider urself lucky ur even in the team and u talk about younis n yousuf not winning anything ur 10% the player yousuf n younis r wake up n smell the leather

  • DrMeister on August 1, 2010, 16:45 GMT

    Mr Butt and Mr Younis need to understand, losing in one thing, losing liek this is another. Plus when Pakistan lost in England in 2006, their bowling was not as brill as this one. I think they also have a problem with Younis Khan and Yousuf has now been called - so he's been bypassed anyway! Please bring back Younis Khan, even if that means dicarding the "blue cap" Shoaib Malik.

  • angel on August 1, 2010, 16:44 GMT

    Dear butt no body is asking you to win every game, all we are asking is to put some fight. At the moment every effort has been made by the bowlers, in both departments (bowling & batting). And in the swinging conditions our batsmen were wandering like headless chickens. The youth should be injected into the team but not like this, you are just demoralizing those young blokes, they have no guidelines from their seniors because seniors don't have any clue either. I think both Y's should be included in the team, for the sake of those younger kids.

  • hr2010 on August 1, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    This is what happens when you have 2 Butts. Wicket keeper is a disaster and his brother, the best batsman cant get into double digits, as he lacks the technique and experience to deal with a swinging ball. I am not sure that Mr. Butt has his stats right either. They scored runs! Get it. The junior lot has to learn from experience at the other end which with current batting line up does'nt exist. If you want people to believe, please swallow your egos and bring the good batsmen back with respect. Otherwise, Pakistan should be demoted to T20's and ODI's -- but please dont let them torture us with these horrendous displays. This is destroying test cricket, the highest form of the game.

  • ABRAR-JANJUA on August 1, 2010, 16:35 GMT

    Surely Butt & company need some time to adjust.I do support that Pakistan should depend in young Blood.They must look ahead rather than back.When you are looking towards future then you have to lost many things.Butt's captaincy is OK but he must be more positive and aggressive in his approach.Most of time we saw that he spread the filed even when the new batsman was on the crease,with no shot leg and no close catching fielder,to put the new comer under pressure. Obviously these things will took time and hopefully he will become successful Captain.

  • AhmadSaleem on August 1, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    well said Mr.Butt. Nothing else to say

  • dhoni_hater on August 1, 2010, 16:28 GMT

    Hey pakistanis your team with out younis and yousuf will be equal to bangladesh team only... If you play against them you lose the match with out your inexperinced batting line up.. Please check the record book of yousuf scored 1700 runs in single calendar year.. See your young guns amin,ali scoring single digit score...

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:26 GMT

    I am with Butt..there's no need to bring Yousuf who is very selfish. I personally want younis khan in team but not many players in the team like him, so i guess sticking with the same team would do, give Yasir hameed a chance that's it

  • adnansafdar on August 1, 2010, 16:25 GMT

    Mr. butt we don't want you to win every match but bat at least like a street team and use bat to defend or score runs not to give catching practice to other team , batting less then one session in test match is no batting at any level, hard luck asif aamir and gul you have to bear these kind of teammates who don't know what to do with the bat except

  • Rash77 on August 1, 2010, 16:24 GMT

    By the same token Imran Farhat should not be in the team either, he has been failing with runs and dropping catches for years, his only saving grace it seems is that he has not decided to retire and the board seems to like him! if we are to experiment with youth then at least do so on the expence of players like him rather then the Y's who have got a decent average from consistent performances, they would have been much better at teaching the new guys too, Farhat and Akmal will only reinforce the wrong lessons as they are obvously incapable or learning from their mistakes

  • Rash77 on August 1, 2010, 16:24 GMT

    By the same token Imran Farhat should not be in the team either, he has been failing with runs and dropping catches for years, his only saving grace it seems is that he has not decided to retire and the board seems to like him! if we are to experiment with youth then at least do so on the expence of players like him rather then the Y's who have got a decent average from consistent performances, they would have been much better at teaching the new guys too, Farhat and Akmal will only reinforce the wrong lessons as they are obvously incapable or learning from their mistakes

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    I don't think this is the right approach ... The way Waqar and Butt think .... specially when ODI World-cup is so close ... You need to do a serious planning .....

  • Tigg on August 1, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    Drop Malik and bring in Younis Khan. Bump Amin down to six and slot Khan in at 2 down.

  • Nabeel on August 1, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    Thought Pakistan need time to persevere with the youngsters, some experience and calm in the middle order will do a world of good. Younis should be brought in, but Yousuf remains as good a mystery as a doosra! Hence, bolstering the middle order with Younis, Malik and Kamran / Umar Akmal - in case they switch their minds on to play and not miss - then Pakistan look a little much formidable.

  • zashrafi on August 1, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    I agree with butt, but Pakistan needs competent wickerkeeper who does not spill sitters. I take take a keeper who makes king pair every match but performs flawlessly behind the stumps.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    Is he insane or what ... ? Here's the inception of another Captaincy politics phase and Mr. Butt seems to have all germs.

  • DravidistheBest on August 1, 2010, 16:16 GMT

    bringing back the two Ys will be a mistake, not because they are incompetent, infact both of them are exceptionally good batsmen beyond the shadow of a doubt but the thing is..... they might not gel with the rest of the team. Pakistan's current batting line up is not good enough in these conditions but atleast they are playing as a unit. stick with butt and this young team and results will come sooner or later. i am no expert but i seriously believe in the talent of Yaseer Hameed and probably mirza's husband can come up the order (this will protect azhar ali for some time).please dont think about dropping umar akmal...all the best to pakistan.

  • hr2010 on August 1, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    This is what happens when you have 2 Butts. Wicket keeper is a disaster and his brother, the best batsman cant get into double digits, as he lacks the technique and experience to deal with a swinging ball. I am not sure that Mr. Butt has his stats right either. They scored runs! Get it. The junior lot has to learn from experience at the other end which with current batting line up does'nt exist. If you want people to believe, please swallow your egos and bring the good batsmen back with respect. Otherwise, Pakistan should be demoted to T20's and ODI's -- but please dont let them torture us with these horrendous displays. This is destroying test cricket, the highest form of the game.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    I actually disagree with Salmaan Butt, this pakistani team has good players but they are so inexpierenced. U have # 3-4 which prlly shud be the most important of a batting line up in tests as your 2 weakest links. those young kids will lose confidence too quickly. throw Malik out, bring in both the Y's. rest pakitans #4 Umar Amin, keep him in the squad to get the training with the Y's. What that will do is give that weak and young middle order to keep calm and have seniors around to help. Right now the middle order rests on a 20 yrs old shoulder (Umar Akmal) thats too much to handle at tests. Hes got talent but dont let him burn. Bring back Yasir Hameed, hes so much better than Farhat, the only reason Farhat is there is becuase his father in law is a big politician. A good Pakistan order: 1) Butt 2) Hameed 3) Azhar Ali 4) Younis 5) Yousuf 6) Umar Akmal 7) Kamran Akmal 8) Aemar 9) Gul 10) Asif 11) Kaneria/ Ajmal..

    This would make a good alround pakistan team. Youth and Seniors.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    I still think Younis Khan and Muhammad Yousaf deserve a place in the batting line up. If we take out the two most experienced batsmen from any team in the world, their fate would be similar to that of Pakistan's.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:06 GMT

    Whatever they do, I hope they don't bring Yusuf and Younis back, as much as I love them both for their abilities and records, the team needs youth to groom and take a step ahead. Going back to the two Y's won't solve a thing, they too have to retire at some point, why not start rebuilding now itself then wait for that moment? Good to see Waqar Younis think ahead for the team's future. All they need to do is fix the current team, drop Farhat, drop Umar Amin - he might be talented but hasn't proved a thing in the many chances given, drop Kamran Akmal. Give Yasir Hameed a go, bring in Fawad Alam and Hammad Azam.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:04 GMT

    Salman Butt is afriad that if younis performs well he might have to lose the captaincy, cos every one can see that the only game they won was because of the bowlers and the Batting is so poor, even bangladesh can bat better.

  • AneesRazzak on August 1, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    im sorry, but i have to disagree with butt and waqar. ok we should stick with the youn guns, but that doesn't mean ignoring 2 great test batsmen who should form the spine of the team. 2 players need to make way for the 2 Y's; IMO shoaib malik, k. akmal, farhat and kaneria must go too! shoaib has overstayed his welcome; without contrbuting anything in his 10 year career. hes technically inept, and hence cannot survive the movin bal..

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:00 GMT

    I am sorry but even in the victory - "What did the batsmen do?????" The two Y's are imperative.

  • on August 1, 2010, 15:59 GMT

    after a long long time finally pakistan have got a sensible captain.

  • IndiaGoats on August 1, 2010, 15:58 GMT

    Salman Butt is the best captain in the world. Bring back the two Y's. Kick out the Akmal brothers. Shoaib Malik needs to come in at number 3. BCCI and IPL should be banned from cricket.

    My team for the next test: Salman Butt Imran Farhat Younis Khan Javed Miandad Shoaib Malik Saleem Malik Umar Akmal Kamran Akmal Akmal #3 Shohaib Akhthar Mohd Asif/Aamer/Sami

    Long live Pakistan!

  • on August 1, 2010, 15:56 GMT

    I don't think anyone is asking for Azhar Ali and Umar Amin to be dropped. But if we are being fair here, Malik and Kamran Akmal don't belong in this team and neither does Imran Farhat. Salman Butt's words are sad, because he is actually doing what people accused Shoaib Malik of doing when he was captain. Eliminate established senior players regardless of the effect on team performance to ensure a stronger captaincy. In the end even Malik lost the captaincy even though he is seemingly a friend of every politician and member of the cricket board. It just shows you even the educated are selfish and self serving.

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  • on August 1, 2010, 15:56 GMT

    I don't think anyone is asking for Azhar Ali and Umar Amin to be dropped. But if we are being fair here, Malik and Kamran Akmal don't belong in this team and neither does Imran Farhat. Salman Butt's words are sad, because he is actually doing what people accused Shoaib Malik of doing when he was captain. Eliminate established senior players regardless of the effect on team performance to ensure a stronger captaincy. In the end even Malik lost the captaincy even though he is seemingly a friend of every politician and member of the cricket board. It just shows you even the educated are selfish and self serving.

  • IndiaGoats on August 1, 2010, 15:58 GMT

    Salman Butt is the best captain in the world. Bring back the two Y's. Kick out the Akmal brothers. Shoaib Malik needs to come in at number 3. BCCI and IPL should be banned from cricket.

    My team for the next test: Salman Butt Imran Farhat Younis Khan Javed Miandad Shoaib Malik Saleem Malik Umar Akmal Kamran Akmal Akmal #3 Shohaib Akhthar Mohd Asif/Aamer/Sami

    Long live Pakistan!

  • on August 1, 2010, 15:59 GMT

    after a long long time finally pakistan have got a sensible captain.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:00 GMT

    I am sorry but even in the victory - "What did the batsmen do?????" The two Y's are imperative.

  • AneesRazzak on August 1, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    im sorry, but i have to disagree with butt and waqar. ok we should stick with the youn guns, but that doesn't mean ignoring 2 great test batsmen who should form the spine of the team. 2 players need to make way for the 2 Y's; IMO shoaib malik, k. akmal, farhat and kaneria must go too! shoaib has overstayed his welcome; without contrbuting anything in his 10 year career. hes technically inept, and hence cannot survive the movin bal..

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:04 GMT

    Salman Butt is afriad that if younis performs well he might have to lose the captaincy, cos every one can see that the only game they won was because of the bowlers and the Batting is so poor, even bangladesh can bat better.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:06 GMT

    Whatever they do, I hope they don't bring Yusuf and Younis back, as much as I love them both for their abilities and records, the team needs youth to groom and take a step ahead. Going back to the two Y's won't solve a thing, they too have to retire at some point, why not start rebuilding now itself then wait for that moment? Good to see Waqar Younis think ahead for the team's future. All they need to do is fix the current team, drop Farhat, drop Umar Amin - he might be talented but hasn't proved a thing in the many chances given, drop Kamran Akmal. Give Yasir Hameed a go, bring in Fawad Alam and Hammad Azam.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    I still think Younis Khan and Muhammad Yousaf deserve a place in the batting line up. If we take out the two most experienced batsmen from any team in the world, their fate would be similar to that of Pakistan's.

  • on August 1, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    I actually disagree with Salmaan Butt, this pakistani team has good players but they are so inexpierenced. U have # 3-4 which prlly shud be the most important of a batting line up in tests as your 2 weakest links. those young kids will lose confidence too quickly. throw Malik out, bring in both the Y's. rest pakitans #4 Umar Amin, keep him in the squad to get the training with the Y's. What that will do is give that weak and young middle order to keep calm and have seniors around to help. Right now the middle order rests on a 20 yrs old shoulder (Umar Akmal) thats too much to handle at tests. Hes got talent but dont let him burn. Bring back Yasir Hameed, hes so much better than Farhat, the only reason Farhat is there is becuase his father in law is a big politician. A good Pakistan order: 1) Butt 2) Hameed 3) Azhar Ali 4) Younis 5) Yousuf 6) Umar Akmal 7) Kamran Akmal 8) Aemar 9) Gul 10) Asif 11) Kaneria/ Ajmal..

    This would make a good alround pakistan team. Youth and Seniors.

  • hr2010 on August 1, 2010, 16:15 GMT

    This is what happens when you have 2 Butts. Wicket keeper is a disaster and his brother, the best batsman cant get into double digits, as he lacks the technique and experience to deal with a swinging ball. I am not sure that Mr. Butt has his stats right either. They scored runs! Get it. The junior lot has to learn from experience at the other end which with current batting line up does'nt exist. If you want people to believe, please swallow your egos and bring the good batsmen back with respect. Otherwise, Pakistan should be demoted to T20's and ODI's -- but please dont let them torture us with these horrendous displays. This is destroying test cricket, the highest form of the game.