Spot-fixing controversy September 1, 2010

Watson blames ICC for Pakistan mess

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Shane Watson has questioned whether the ICC really wants to eradicate match-fixing and spot-fixing from cricket due to fears the problem might run too deep. A day after confirming he had reported two approaches from bookmakers during last year's tour of England, Watson blamed the ICC for allowing the issue to fester.

Watson said the fact a newspaper was responsible for highlighting the irregularities involving Pakistan's recent performances, which were revealed during the fourth Test in England, showed the ICC's system was unsuccessful. "The ICC anti-corruption unit is not really working," he said during a sponsor's function in Sydney.

"That's totally to do with the ICC, so they really need to step in and really get to the bottom of it. Maybe they don't want to get to the bottom of it because it might run too deep."

The ICC has defended its approach but Haroon Lorgat, the chief executive, did admit the anti-corruption and security unit had no power to arrest or go undercover. Lorgat has promised "prompt and decisive" action if any of the players are found guilty.

Watson said the situation needed to be sorted out "as soon as possible" to maintain credibility and interest in the game. "People might turn away from cricket because they don't know [whether] what they are seeing is actually the true facts of cricket," he said.

Meanwhile, Mark Taylor, the former Australia captain, said talk of banning Pakistan from world cricket was not justified. "I don't agree with that, I think it's too harsh a penalty for one nation," Taylor, a Cricket Australia board member, said in Sydney.

"If they have one person, two people, three people involved in match-fixing or fixing certain deliveries ... to throw the whole nation? No, I'm not for that. I think it would not be a good thing for world cricket to have Pakistan not involved."

Peter English is the Australasia editor of Cricinfo

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  • POSTED BY Kirk-at-Lords on | September 6, 2010, 11:20 GMT

    News of the World (NOTW) in its latest spot-fixing coverage (5 Sept.) has finally responded to demands that it provide some sort of proof that its reporting has not been rigged. What is on offer is certainly not definitive, but it goes a considerable way towards validation. I continue to find NOTW excessively unsavoury and loutish, at best. It came very close to entrapment of Yasir Hameed, and NOTW may have pressurised him to nearly the point of extortion, given what is contained in Hameed's official statement. Nevertheless, if what NOTW say about their funds paid to the fixer ending up in the hands of the three main figures under investigation, it really does not appear that there is much room for manoeuvre left. I wish the authorities well in fully and finally sorting the matter.

  • POSTED BY Zohaib.R.Q. on | September 6, 2010, 0:36 GMT

    this is rubbish... at first i thought trio are guilty, but lookin at the recent deveopments it all sounds too fake-- what utter nonsence-- every other day you see every other player being approached.

    and for all those who think they are guilty and what not,wait for the investigation to complete - don't be soo naive. cheers

  • POSTED BY Kirk-at-Lords on | September 3, 2010, 14:29 GMT

    RookieLankan asked the quesiton yesterday about England as a venue for spot and match fixing. Who can tell at this stage if the UK is a centre of activity, but it is definitely part of the action. I would ask NSWaus and others who agree with him to have a rethink about the importance of this fact. The social tone of a country has much to do with the kind of activity that can occur there on a regular basis. The more we look through the lens of these three allegedly fixed no-balls, the more comes into view ... and the less certain it is what exactly we are seeing. Consider the chief source, News of the World: one of its editors was jailed in 2007 for hacking into mobile voice messages. And by all accounts, this remains a regular practice at NOTW (check out BBC News online). So with low standards of behaviour like this, can we trust the videos and audio at face value? NOTW needs to be very clear about its investigative practices with the police and also the concerned public.

  • POSTED BY on | September 3, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    hell enter the cricket as PCB ..... i read all the comment but i feel here lots talking about the Randiv that is just a match plan just can't compare to pak player. So mr indian Fan forget u ppl what the sehwag did with SL in a test( boundry controversy). So Randiv N sehwag did a game plan. Watson was correct ICC is very very poor in these case before and now we can see they must do quick action against the pak players even PCB. This is not a first time Pak players did fixing but what did they do against them. just punished a match or series and again in the team. This time time to show for others teams and Pakistan what ICC can do. Must life ban for them or even PCB.

  • POSTED BY NSWaus on | September 3, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    To Rookie lankan: mate ,you forgot to mention RANDIV NO BALL to sehwag which was done deliberately to avoid getting century for sehwag.hope it could be spot fixing to do NO BOWL by RANDIV.By the way dont drag england in this spot fixing, clearly they are not responsible for what it happened with pakistan team.

  • POSTED BY Rommel on | September 3, 2010, 2:04 GMT

    When are the ICC anti-corruption unit going to investigate the New Zealand team? They seemed to have slipped under the radar. Surely there has been some "fixing" going on, this may explain the horrendous test record that New Zealand fans like myself have had to endure over the last 20 years since Hadlee, Chatfield, Crowe, Wright, Coney, Bracewell etc retired. I would start by investigating such players as Chris Martin who has under performed on such a regular and consistent basis with bat (my retina's scream when he bats with the horror of it all) with the ball he has an amazing strike rate against the Aussies taking a wicket in every 5th innings he bowls in and in the field he not only continues to shell catches but tips the ball for six as well but somehow he still manages to make the starting XI. Please investigate this cricketing actrocity asap thank you. Regards Rommel.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 23:05 GMT

    While I too would wish that these allegations turn out to be false, the evidence thus far appears to be stacked against the trio. Am not sure on what basis the Pakistan diplomat has concluded that the players are innocent. Even so, all the facts of the case must be heard - IN PUBLIC. There is far too much secrecy and politics with regards to the affairs of the ICC. Time to have the ICC up for scrutiny too, not just the players. The talk about expelling Pakistan for the 'sins' (if they are proved to be sins) of a few is preposterous. I agree absolutely with Mark Taylor.

  • POSTED BY bharath74 on | September 2, 2010, 21:33 GMT

    I am Indian but i sincerely hope all these allegations are fake. International cricketers should just stop saying that they were approached by a Bookie once. These cricketers who are making such statements are purely attention seekers, they should make a statement as soon as they were approached by a bookie not after 250 yrs.

  • POSTED BY Howazzatt on | September 2, 2010, 17:57 GMT

    Hello RookieLankan pls mind your words I really dont see any reason why are you bringing Shewag into picture on spot fixing. It will be more appropriate to say Randiv and Dilshan would to have taken money from bookies to prevent Shewag getting a 100 which as really affected the result against the six from Shewag. Which predictably appears as spot fixing. I ICC MUST INVESTIGATE this this BIG NO BALL bowled by Randiv. Check this one... you might pull out some dead bones..

  • POSTED BY RookieLankan on | September 2, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    So finally the truth is coming out many players have been approached for match fixing.. Yes pakistan as always is in the middle of it, they will always be.. I wonder how many other cricketers would have actually taken for fixing and i am thinking there a quite a few, may west indians, MAYBE EVEN SHAWAG HE PROBABLY BETS THAT HE WILL GET TO HIS 100 WITH A SIX, now if he takes money to score a hundred can he still be banned for life????? he is effecting the final result of the match..

    well to the point, has anyone noticed where all these match fixing allegations are starting, where all these players have been approached? the answer is ENGLAND so doesn't one need to think that something might actually be wrong in ENGLAND? why are these players being approached in england? wouldn't england players then be approached even more often that the rest?

    maybe all international Teams should stop touing England until england can solve this problem

  • POSTED BY Kirk-at-Lords on | September 6, 2010, 11:20 GMT

    News of the World (NOTW) in its latest spot-fixing coverage (5 Sept.) has finally responded to demands that it provide some sort of proof that its reporting has not been rigged. What is on offer is certainly not definitive, but it goes a considerable way towards validation. I continue to find NOTW excessively unsavoury and loutish, at best. It came very close to entrapment of Yasir Hameed, and NOTW may have pressurised him to nearly the point of extortion, given what is contained in Hameed's official statement. Nevertheless, if what NOTW say about their funds paid to the fixer ending up in the hands of the three main figures under investigation, it really does not appear that there is much room for manoeuvre left. I wish the authorities well in fully and finally sorting the matter.

  • POSTED BY Zohaib.R.Q. on | September 6, 2010, 0:36 GMT

    this is rubbish... at first i thought trio are guilty, but lookin at the recent deveopments it all sounds too fake-- what utter nonsence-- every other day you see every other player being approached.

    and for all those who think they are guilty and what not,wait for the investigation to complete - don't be soo naive. cheers

  • POSTED BY Kirk-at-Lords on | September 3, 2010, 14:29 GMT

    RookieLankan asked the quesiton yesterday about England as a venue for spot and match fixing. Who can tell at this stage if the UK is a centre of activity, but it is definitely part of the action. I would ask NSWaus and others who agree with him to have a rethink about the importance of this fact. The social tone of a country has much to do with the kind of activity that can occur there on a regular basis. The more we look through the lens of these three allegedly fixed no-balls, the more comes into view ... and the less certain it is what exactly we are seeing. Consider the chief source, News of the World: one of its editors was jailed in 2007 for hacking into mobile voice messages. And by all accounts, this remains a regular practice at NOTW (check out BBC News online). So with low standards of behaviour like this, can we trust the videos and audio at face value? NOTW needs to be very clear about its investigative practices with the police and also the concerned public.

  • POSTED BY on | September 3, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    hell enter the cricket as PCB ..... i read all the comment but i feel here lots talking about the Randiv that is just a match plan just can't compare to pak player. So mr indian Fan forget u ppl what the sehwag did with SL in a test( boundry controversy). So Randiv N sehwag did a game plan. Watson was correct ICC is very very poor in these case before and now we can see they must do quick action against the pak players even PCB. This is not a first time Pak players did fixing but what did they do against them. just punished a match or series and again in the team. This time time to show for others teams and Pakistan what ICC can do. Must life ban for them or even PCB.

  • POSTED BY NSWaus on | September 3, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    To Rookie lankan: mate ,you forgot to mention RANDIV NO BALL to sehwag which was done deliberately to avoid getting century for sehwag.hope it could be spot fixing to do NO BOWL by RANDIV.By the way dont drag england in this spot fixing, clearly they are not responsible for what it happened with pakistan team.

  • POSTED BY Rommel on | September 3, 2010, 2:04 GMT

    When are the ICC anti-corruption unit going to investigate the New Zealand team? They seemed to have slipped under the radar. Surely there has been some "fixing" going on, this may explain the horrendous test record that New Zealand fans like myself have had to endure over the last 20 years since Hadlee, Chatfield, Crowe, Wright, Coney, Bracewell etc retired. I would start by investigating such players as Chris Martin who has under performed on such a regular and consistent basis with bat (my retina's scream when he bats with the horror of it all) with the ball he has an amazing strike rate against the Aussies taking a wicket in every 5th innings he bowls in and in the field he not only continues to shell catches but tips the ball for six as well but somehow he still manages to make the starting XI. Please investigate this cricketing actrocity asap thank you. Regards Rommel.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 23:05 GMT

    While I too would wish that these allegations turn out to be false, the evidence thus far appears to be stacked against the trio. Am not sure on what basis the Pakistan diplomat has concluded that the players are innocent. Even so, all the facts of the case must be heard - IN PUBLIC. There is far too much secrecy and politics with regards to the affairs of the ICC. Time to have the ICC up for scrutiny too, not just the players. The talk about expelling Pakistan for the 'sins' (if they are proved to be sins) of a few is preposterous. I agree absolutely with Mark Taylor.

  • POSTED BY bharath74 on | September 2, 2010, 21:33 GMT

    I am Indian but i sincerely hope all these allegations are fake. International cricketers should just stop saying that they were approached by a Bookie once. These cricketers who are making such statements are purely attention seekers, they should make a statement as soon as they were approached by a bookie not after 250 yrs.

  • POSTED BY Howazzatt on | September 2, 2010, 17:57 GMT

    Hello RookieLankan pls mind your words I really dont see any reason why are you bringing Shewag into picture on spot fixing. It will be more appropriate to say Randiv and Dilshan would to have taken money from bookies to prevent Shewag getting a 100 which as really affected the result against the six from Shewag. Which predictably appears as spot fixing. I ICC MUST INVESTIGATE this this BIG NO BALL bowled by Randiv. Check this one... you might pull out some dead bones..

  • POSTED BY RookieLankan on | September 2, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    So finally the truth is coming out many players have been approached for match fixing.. Yes pakistan as always is in the middle of it, they will always be.. I wonder how many other cricketers would have actually taken for fixing and i am thinking there a quite a few, may west indians, MAYBE EVEN SHAWAG HE PROBABLY BETS THAT HE WILL GET TO HIS 100 WITH A SIX, now if he takes money to score a hundred can he still be banned for life????? he is effecting the final result of the match..

    well to the point, has anyone noticed where all these match fixing allegations are starting, where all these players have been approached? the answer is ENGLAND so doesn't one need to think that something might actually be wrong in ENGLAND? why are these players being approached in england? wouldn't england players then be approached even more often that the rest?

    maybe all international Teams should stop touing England until england can solve this problem

  • POSTED BY cricket_for_all on | September 2, 2010, 16:27 GMT

    In the beginning of this controversy I really believed that the spot-fixing is 100% true from my previous knowledge of Pak players. But now I have started to doubt about this. I even have doubt about the authentication of the video footage. I also now agree that we have to wait and see. I am dam sure that ENG and AUS are really worry about the bowling pair specially on ODI (Pak's crappy betting is good enough for ODI). So Please guys (specially sub-continents guys) be patient until the investigation is over. I wish any of the sub-continent teams should win this world cup (If this is deliberate allegation). I am really sorry for Amir (Asif has drug issues) and He should be sincere to the fans and his country (If the allegations are true).

  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | September 2, 2010, 16:04 GMT

    The clean up of this game has been long overdue. With this blatant Pakistani act, the time is right to send the ultimate tough message to players aligning with fixers. A life ban should be the best penalty. It should be left to the individual countries to decide whether they want to play against Pakistan in future or not. But the issue is whether ICC is really upto taking tough decisions. The ICC of yore was known to taking tough decisions only when they went against non-Australian teams. We'll have to wait and watch.

  • POSTED BY atthipatti on | September 2, 2010, 14:58 GMT

    @ Mr. Farhan Butt why don't you go try your hand and join FBI or Scotland yard or even Pak police.........????

  • POSTED BY bumsonseats on | September 2, 2010, 12:58 GMT

    i do not know what the chances of naming the 3 balls that were bowled and called no ball from out of 10 overs, but must be high though. perhaps the guy should be buying lottery tickets. but as these were videoed the day before, i cannot see other than collusion. i dont think the police in the uk can act as a criminal prosecution. but wrong doing has been done. should pakistan be kicked out of international cricket, no they should not, they have been very lax and it should have sorted out in the late 90s. what we require from the icc is quick action, to make sure anyone caught flouting these rules should be given the highest punishment.dpk

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 12:44 GMT

    I am Pakistani and I wish Pakistan should be thrown out of the cricket world for a certain period of time OR forever... It would have two consequences, one Pakistan and Paki corrupt administration would learn a lesson, secondly those who wish Pakistan out and want to humiliate Pakistan as a nation would realize the worst aftermath of the absence of a leading country out of the list of hardly 10 numbers...

    Briefly, Pakistani administration lacks in integrity as well as there are such non state actors struggling days and nights, giving flaming points to prove Pakistan as a failure nation.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    All in all I can say beuty of cricket and fan follow has declined in last decade! with Match fixing controversy!world cup in West Indies! Dominative Australians! Lahore Attack! PCB Messe's's's! IPL Mess!BCCI ruling cricket world! & 2 add petrol in burning flame! Match fixing controversy again!

    I wish I was never a cricket fan! Dey rapg de game now and finaly 1 day dey will kill it! Alas! I pitty all cricket fans around de world!

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    All right guys food for ugly thoughts of all who wants pakistan out of intl. cricket. 1) watch video closely those who knows hidden footages are continous and if its not a scam why tissue paper and orange juice is gone while money was put on the table ? 2) in the car fixer was wearing blue tshirt and while meeting on with waham and umar he is wearing black? 3). NOTW wants to launch this as a weekly exculsive they can request police to launch later and given proof earlier rather than on 27th August. Its a bloody Scam. That is it.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    I agree with Shane Watson here; ultimatly the ICC are to blame. The real dissapointment here is what it does to Pak Cricket, some of the all time greats have come from Pakistan: Imran Khan, Wasim Akram even Waqar Younis.. then the real talents of INZY and Yousuf. They cant play cricket in Pak, they're fixing outside of Pakistan. The ICC need to clean up this mess... It starts to raise the question is these young 17, 18, 19 year olds playing international cricket; is there too much money and too much temptation. Amir is only 18, im not defending him but is he really mature enough to know what hes doing... What the ICC needs to do now is establish clear guidelines for matchfixing and all the boards need to support it and follow it meaning all contracts are torn up if its proved.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 10:02 GMT

    @ Cayenne : A lame and pathetic conspiracy theory! England have always, and continue to swing the lead , but they have been the keenest and proudest cricketing nation of all and uphold the tradition of cricket like no other country. Which other country can boast of test match full - houses on every day , for every test and three - quarter full houses for games involving Bangladesh? That too , with tickets being at the exorbitant rate they are in that country? I for one , think that England have the best fans, the truest notion of cricket and one of the best teams in the world . They do not need to stoop down to idiotic nonsense like the theory you mentioned , and just think of the reaction at home from their fans, if it were proved to be true! Even if any member of that team dared to think in your absurd direction, this thought alone would bring him to a grinding halt. There is accountability and integrity in English cricket and the Indians have a lot to learn from it!

  • POSTED BY Jeet1123 on | September 2, 2010, 10:02 GMT

    Pakistan is the only one bad fish in the pond...... Just show the door to Pakistan from ICC, everything will be OK again........

  • POSTED BY mcji5sa2 on | September 2, 2010, 8:48 GMT

    what do i think should happen? at the least the players involved need to be given life bans and at the most pak should be banned from int'l cricket for a year. I'll tell you why. if harsh punishments are not dealt out then that implies the benefits for a player to spot fix are greater than the consequences. Amir should not be spared just because of his age and talent. It is the most ridiculous justification of his criminal actions. Why I think Pak should be banned for a year has nothing to do with "racism". The root of the problem lies with the PCB (provided allegations are founded) and banning a few players is a short term solution at best. The Juventus scandal in Serie A shows other bodies take serious action in "fixing" cases. Pak have been involved in some great games but even those performances come into doubt with this spot fixing issue. So what do I think will ACTUALLY happen - PCB don't ban anyone, the ICC's case is too weak to take any action, and things go back to "normal"

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 8:47 GMT

    All right guys food for ugly thoughts of all who wants pakistan out of intl. cricket.

    1) watch video closely those who knows hidden footages are continous and if its not a scam why tissue paper and orange juice is gone while money was put on the table ? 2) in the car fixer was wearing blue tshirt and while meeting on with waham and umar he is wearing black? 3). NOTW wants to launch this as a weekly exculsive they can request police to launch later and given proof earlier rather than on 27th August. Its a bloody Scam. That is it.

  • POSTED BY Something_Witty on | September 2, 2010, 8:44 GMT

    Just ban them from playing international cricket until they've cleaned up their absurd mess. South Africa was banned because of Apartheid, Pakistan should be banned (not forever, just until their board grows a brain) as well.

  • POSTED BY nandz4u on | September 2, 2010, 6:39 GMT

    The ICC should take strict action against the the pakistanis and the ICC must make sure that the three are punished and banned for at least a year. They shouldn't be spared this time. The PCB always spares his players; because if they are punished it might run too deep and PCB may come into trouble. It should be a lesson for the rest of the players because they are playing for the nation and not for money. Sentiments and emotions are attached with cricket, its our religion. No one can abuse it and if anyone doest he should be dealt harshly.

  • POSTED BY smalishah84 on | September 2, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    I totally agree with Mark Taylor. He is one of the saner voices in cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 5:30 GMT

    PCB is just a joke, only with PCB everything possible, play after retired, ball bitting(now he is a captain!!)Drugs smugling, PCb doesn't worry about anything with their players,

  • POSTED BY cricket_for_lyph on | September 2, 2010, 5:21 GMT

    i am with WATSON... ICC should do sumthing for bookies in india and other countries.. but more interestingly theres some doubt in that video.. MAZHAR MAJEED count money in the table,,howw???every one knows that match fixers use credit card or online transactions for privacy....all the meetings of mazhar majeed and that reporter fixed in indian restaurant...there`s no time in video..may be it was video after that day when mohammed amir did no balls.. so relax guys,,,it must be some drama to gain publicity and using players..take a chill pill till the investigation wind up.. have fun

  • POSTED BY TestIsBest on | September 2, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    I accept Mark Taylor point is justified but Can I ask minor question to my fellow Pakistani cricket fans? In case Mohammad Amir is not snubbed even if he finds guilty (which is more likely to see with PCB, Ramiz n Lawson reaction) what is the guarantee next time he bowls NO BALL at any crunch time of match and people will not raise question about SPOT FIXING? The answer is once you are in...there is no way out mate. And Amir is not a kid who doesn't know anything...there are plenty of cricketers started playing from young age. Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, WI players are also poor but do they indulge into this kind of controversies? No. these players are culprit and should be banned.

  • POSTED BY cric.info. on | September 2, 2010, 4:54 GMT

    this is all rubbish... media hype given by indians... the man of case mazhar majeed released on bail despite of having such a serious case involving a whole nation.. moreover,,,, bailed by whom.. thats Indian High Commisioner..... stupid,,,, what a stupid bookie, dealing in cash and counting that all one by one... fakeeeeee this is all being done to sabotage the Pakistan image, if anyone can seriously think it over.. soon will be the dropscene of all issue.. and i wish, all persons involved in issue be brought on screen.. and punished in a way that no one dares again..

  • POSTED BY mknkmak on | September 2, 2010, 4:50 GMT

    i think authorities should dug deep to find the concrete answer. surely it will uncover many things like some of australian great performance (may be fixed), sachin records, and many more. definitely, all the match fixing start from india. one can count indian team number 1 position as a gift from bookies. well think on the ground reality india is the root cause of all the match fixing. indian board also supporting match fixing because it help them to declare india as self claim number 1 team. in return BCCI let bookies to run league like IPL etc etc. where bookies, find a plate form to get what they want and hire player's performances for their interest.

  • POSTED BY sharidas on | September 2, 2010, 4:25 GMT

    Without any doubt, there are Two lobbies in the ICC. It has been like that in the past and that is how it will be in the future too. Unless there are officials who are genuinely interested in the game, at the helm,this trend will continue.The result will be that whatever decisions are taken, those will always be doubted by one party or the other- Eg: If Pawar says that no action will be taken against the Pakistani players, immediately the Western Boards will take it as a partisan decision by the Asian Lobby. And if Shayne Watson lays the blame on ICC,that will be considered as a tit for tat for the Asian lobby for having rejected Mr.John Howard for an ICC post. Trust is the only answer. All decisions should be made on the merit of it. Bring a group of players from all Cricketing Countries to govern the ICC and I am sure it will be for the better of all. Why not even let a Management Firm take it over?

  • POSTED BY saurab2 on | September 2, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    PCB should take an example of Sri Lanka cricket board. The recent Randiv issue where he was banned for a game. PCB should ban the players who are involved for some time to teach a lesson to all the younger players as well. However, my question is why these Australians and others did not come to ICC when they were contacted by bookies.What were they waiting for.Were they waiting for some Asian player to get involved. Is this their right approach. Now they say ICC is not able to handle match and spot fixing. But hey do you have your credentials right to say these things about ICC. We love CRICKET. Lets all get together and make it a better game. A competitive and fun to watch game as it used to be.

  • POSTED BY Chrishan on | September 2, 2010, 4:04 GMT

    The way I see it is that everyone wants to gain something for themselves through this incident. For example, Mr. Speed wants Pakistan banned because then there will be one less Asian nation to form the so called Asian power-block which prevents pompous candidates like Howard take up major posts. Does anybody really care about the consequences to cricket? The fact that a bookie approached Watson, why has this come out only now? Why did the ICC keep it secret? The ICC has a so called anti-corruption squad but what exactly do they do? Guys like Paul Condon just sit on their laurels and do nothing. If they don't have the power to investigate then what's the point of it? If this incident wasn't caught on camera by another news agency this incident would never have become public.

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 2:41 GMT

    who the hell is he to question ICC about anything?

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 2:39 GMT

    Why would it be unfair to ban Mohammed Amir? Because he is young and talented? What a joke. This has absolutely nothing to do with country, race, age, religion. It has all to do with cheaters bringing this great game into disrepute. I don't care how much potential a player has, if they are involved in these sorts of things it damages the game almost beyond repair. If proven there should be life bans put in place - and the ICC need to deal with this as quickly as possible. The longer it goes on the worse it will be for International Cricket.

  • POSTED BY Natx on | September 2, 2010, 2:17 GMT

    7 guys involved. Amir should get 2 years as he is young and being his mistake one can hope he will learn from this. Asif - 5 years as he already knows what a ban means due to his experience with "stuff". One more mistake, he should be banned for life. Butt should be banned for life being the captain of the team and lying ridiculously. The rest of the guys, depending on their involvement, gets 1-2 years. That will keep cricket moving and also will give Pakistan some credibility in world stage. The more PCB tries to cover things, the more people world over will start to hate them and they will loose any remaining (?) respect.

  • POSTED BY nlambda on | September 2, 2010, 1:52 GMT

    It is interesting to observe how many people are trying to downplay the incident. Each of you is partly responsible for the rotten corruption that exists in the Pak team. Keep on defending your "heroes". Also, am I the only one who finds it darkly funny that a brazen ball biter like Afridi is the "clean" option for Pak?

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | September 2, 2010, 0:43 GMT

    I'm surprised some of these comments are allowed to go through. How long till someone gets a law suit from comments on a web discussion forum? People love to trash others when they (or the team they support) has some problem, rather than address the actual issue. Let's imagine the English team and board are conspiring to bring Pakistan down. The Western cricketing countries are out to get us. Let's bash everything Australian (why change old habits now?) even when Geoff Lawson, Mark Taylor and Shane Watson have tried to be compassionate to players and contextualise the problem. Let's get it right. These players coming out now and saying they were approached previously have already reported these matters - it's just they didn't go to the media. Brain first, keyboard strokes second - it's a good habit to get into.

  • POSTED BY capri_prince on | September 2, 2010, 0:24 GMT

    Videos can be made after match as well.It can be plan to prove worng this bowlers or nation......why u guys think all should get banned for few stupid people....SO plz plz guys first lets the series finish and then ask them to prove the reality i never belive in videos can be edityed can be make can be plan can anything

    i can pay one guy to say after match tht team is fixed with me,but its not true...

  • POSTED BY on | September 2, 2010, 0:21 GMT

    its is too harsh to ban the country or even the players permanently as bowling few no balls in a test match will never influence the result in anyway not even by a magnitude of 0.00005.......best way to eradicate this is by advocating some strict policies among the players before a match like they should not allowed to use mobile phones and landlines in which ever hotel they stay and no visitors are allowed to meet them personally...and the players should be ordered to be stay inside the hotel premises though out their matches as they get everything including food inside...

  • POSTED BY MinusZero on | September 2, 2010, 0:10 GMT

    You know, Watson has only averaged 27 with the bat this year after averaging 65 last year and Australia did get beaten by Pakistan. Is this suss to anyone else??

  • POSTED BY cricketisagame on | September 1, 2010, 21:06 GMT

    WaqasQayyumQau and Srivijay81 perhaps dont read the articles in detail. Watson and both the bangladeshi players reported this case to the ICC anti curruption team and it was ICC that did not do anything like Watson said. I suppose every nation had a limitation on their players not to go to media directly while on the tour and perhaps thats why they went through the proper channel. Amir is not a milk sucking boy not to know what's right and what's wrong...nor he did that to buy a generator as the former coach Lawson claimed (if thats the case perhaps they need many generators and hence this fixing should be pardoned) if he is guilty he should be banned too..but not the entire nation.

  • POSTED BY rew2325 on | September 1, 2010, 20:59 GMT

    I am really shocked at the comment made by previous ICC chairman, Mr. Speed, that Pakistan should be banned from International Cricket for sometime. And , now many others are saying the same thing. I wonder, how such prejudiced people can be chosen Chairman of the ICC. How come such a person make such a remark.

  • POSTED BY cricketisagame on | September 1, 2010, 20:55 GMT

    Wow ArtPakistan... thats sounds very excellent.... I guess the recent flood is another handwork of RAW as well...

  • POSTED BY K.A.K on | September 1, 2010, 20:49 GMT

    ICC is definitely to be blamed for the mess cricket is in right now. If proven, the blame should be shared by the players, PCB, ICC and the illegal bookmaker. Unfortunately Scotlandyard and ICC are already showing the signs that the case against the illegal bookmaker is WEAK, even before the investigation is complete, setting the expectation that nothing will be done against him.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 20:27 GMT

    Why are people saying it would be unfair to ban Mohammed Amir? Because he is young? Because he did not know what he was doing? What has happened to personal responsibilty in this day and age?

    If someone (from any country) is found guilty of spot/match fixing, ban them for life. It doesn't matter how talented they are or how much potential they have (in fact the more the better). If guilty, life ban, simple really.

  • POSTED BY Chunati on | September 1, 2010, 19:54 GMT

    To Srivijay81: Please read carefully before you make a comment. I am quoting from the first few lines of the article here. "Shakib Al Hasan and Tamim Iqbal were approached by bookmakers during a home series against India in January 2010, the Bangladesh Cricket Board has confirmed. The incidents were immediately reported to the ICC's Anti-Corruption and Security Unit, BCB media committee chairman Jalal Yunus told Cricinfo." So you did not read the article? What else do you want them to do?

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 19:44 GMT

    Well after all these allegations I believe pcb should not drop these players until they are found guilty. Even if they drop these players it wont effect pakistan in T20, we wil lmiss amir other then that no use of poor form batsmen butt and akmal. PCB should ban umer akmal as well and give chance to players like Imran Nazir, Yasir Hamid and Ifran. If Amir and Asif are banned it means shoaib akhtar will open the bowling attach with who?? gul should be use in last overs or high chances of razzaq to open with Akhtar. We need a wicket keeper pcb should bring back Zulfiqaran Haider.

  • POSTED BY MrSukesh on | September 1, 2010, 19:33 GMT

    Looking at the way he enjoys his cricket on field, it is difficult to imagine Amir doing such a thing on his own will. Having said that it is really necessary for ICC to get to the root of the problem and deal with it severely.

    ArtPakistan - thats funny, I would love to say great imagination, but its probably lack of it.

  • POSTED BY Cayenne on | September 1, 2010, 19:12 GMT

    Lets look at the whole scenario differently.It seems that when England is not happy with up and coming aspiring cricketers from other countries and that they know that it will be a tough task to win. They come up with some sort of disruption that puts the whole team or country is disarray and framed the best out of the lot (team). This was done to Sri Lanka, West Indies, Pakistan, South Africa etc. Lets look at the whole cricketing world. If is not England's way it is not no way at all. Start with Kerry Packer etc to present day. There is always a way to infiltrate the opposing team or country and lay the disruption to surface and then England looks on as if they are the victim. Cricketing fans look at the whole picture and look at their diplomacy as it does not take a rocket scientist to see what is going on.And when they cannot infiltrate the team they go to the management of the team. i hope you publish this as if it is not, that proves that you know what England is up to.

  • POSTED BY canuthinkofaname on | September 1, 2010, 19:12 GMT

    I also feel very sad for Pakistan (its people) & of course Mohammad Amer. But seeing the state of affairs in PCB & their inability to act tough what great options does ICC have but to ban Pakistan?? Cricket fans have to understand that it is not a step being enjoyed by anyone. We have all revelled in seeing the likes of Imran Khan, Waqar Younis, Yousuf Youhana, Mohammad Yusuf, Shoaib Akhtar .... list goes on & on. But all have to understand that desperate times call for desperate measures. This is not a strike against the people of Pakistan but against the cricket administrators of Pakistan who have been the most reponsible for this mess. Reports of many of them also being hand in gloves with the betting syndicate just leaves me fuming with anger. That the poor Amer should face the music because of them is very unfair. The rot runs so deep that as long as Pakistan is a playing member its impossible to remove these selfish & greedy people. We have to understand that & act accordingly

  • POSTED BY Cayenne on | September 1, 2010, 19:11 GMT

    Lets look at the whole scenario differently.It seems that when England is not happy with up and coming aspiring cricketers from other countries and that they know that it will be a tough task to win. They come up with some sort of disruption that puts the whole team or country is disarray and framed the best out of the lot (team). This was done to Sri Lanka, West Indies, Pakistan, South Africa etc. Lets look at the whole cricketing world. If is not England's way it is not no way at all. Start with Kerry Packer etc to present day. There is always a way to infiltrate the opposing team or country and lay the disruption to surface and then England looks on as if they are the victim. Cricketing fans look at the whole picture and look at their diplomacy as it does not take a rocket scientist to see what is going on.And when they cannot infiltrate the team they go to the management of the team. i hope you publish this as if it is not, that proves that you know what England is up to.

  • POSTED BY asim900 on | September 1, 2010, 19:04 GMT

    well said Taylor..Sir your comments are as good as your captaincy was...I just want AMir to be saved....An extraordinary talent...Ooo Allah please save him...

  • POSTED BY Srivijay81 on | September 1, 2010, 18:37 GMT

    After the pakistan players caught on spot fixing, team after team giving details like they have also approached by bookie, what these ppl are doing till today when they have been approached last year / during Jan, can't they have brain / mouth to express immediately when they came to know off this. to be honest the team whom the bookie approached should be fined / banned. This is covering the mistakee / safe guarding the bookie, this is not acceptable. if these teams spoke about these earlier to ICC / their cricket board, today Pakistan players wouldnt fallen into this. This is not all acceptable either from watson / bangaldesh players, speak when it is required and stop when it is not required. Try to behave both as human as well as a sports person, these things look like they are saving the bookie community by not providing sufficient info at the right time. If ICC is a better governing body should take action against teams / players who have been approached earlier to this

  • POSTED BY devalyagnik2003 on | September 1, 2010, 18:34 GMT

    of course its not fair to ban a team for what happened!! that way I guess there won't be any team remaining in the game of cricket. There are only 7-8 top teams playing cricket since long which is compare to other sports shows that cricket is not popular enough. I am an Indian, as a lot of members here make this clear now a days because we are here to talk about cricket and not national disputes. To ban pakistan is not reasonable at all. But for the good of cricket pakistan cricket board should at least ban the ones responsible for this, may be being a new comer they can reduce the ban to 3-4 year and not a life time ban for aamer. The way jadeja, azharuddin, cronje etc are banned, there should be some harsh steps for the responsible ones, in case there won't be other players will start doing the same thing to earn extraa money. For the game of cricket; being cricket fans stop talking rubbish about other team and be fair and at least reasonable while making any comment!!!

  • POSTED BY WaqasQayyumQau on | September 1, 2010, 17:47 GMT

    I wonder why Watson brought up everything now n where was he lost earlier. he should ve been helping the Icc anti corruption unit a lot earlier when it all took place than rather now. As far as Pakistani players are concerned it can be clearly scene that its all a set up to entrap the players and English media has always historically played a v negative role in tarnishing the image of pakistani players and its about time that Pakistan gives them a shut up call for good.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 17:29 GMT

    Got to love it when players that don't quite understand Laws and Jurisdictions mouth off. ICC's Anti-Corruption unit can educate players and try to protect them from themselves. Remember they have to operate withing the laws of individual countries they have to operate in.

  • POSTED BY Mudassir11Hussain on | September 1, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    I totally agree to Salman Danish's comment. Almost the whole world has started jumping on this issue without waiting for the final verdict. I have seen some comments which are just based on national grudge..(you know what)...blaming the whole nation for this mishap...lets be fair...we have had these issues from many other cricketing nations...we also know where these bookies are most organized...but again I want to mention...lets be fair and patient... I am myself very sad for Mohammad Aamir...I wish the same as Bilawal Hashmi wished...

  • POSTED BY ArtPakistan on | September 1, 2010, 17:24 GMT

    Hey Guys, read this too. Dont be carried away by one sided stories....

    The Lord's episode another RAW ploy, a London based newspaper has reported.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO HELP AAMER! they ruined his career!NOT fair at all!!!!

  • POSTED BY kumarcoolbuddy on | September 1, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    Looks like Watson has over reacted but banning whole nation is very very harsh. Some brainless people like @sabee66, @KiwiRocker already blaming India and BCCI for match-fixing issues. They are completely out of frustration and irrelevant statements. BCCI is richest board and so frustration for other countries is common. And now if ICC takes any action it will be considered as Anti-Pakistani. BCCI became rich recently and match-fixing is happening since long time. Only few have been exposed till now from all countries. So stop making unnecessary hell and giving irrelevant statements out of frustration. I can undersatnd your frustration but hope for good to happen to cricket instead of crying on others.

  • POSTED BY StarveTheLizard on | September 1, 2010, 17:14 GMT

    No problem, Navin. You certainly got a lot of response, though. :-)

  • POSTED BY orwell1984 on | September 1, 2010, 16:51 GMT

    I can only sympathise with the people of Pakistan at this awful time (in so many ways for that proud nation). The idea that a nation should be banned from cricket because some of its players might be corrupt is silly and almost certainly illegal. However, if these allegations are proven, then the PCB do need to be tough. If the rest of the world sees decisive action, they will accept this episode as an aberration. I think Watson has a good point, too. The ICC have once again been useless. Indeed, is there any aspect of administration that they can get right?

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 16:49 GMT

    Watson has hit the nail on the head. I remember reading the report when this spot-fixing thing started. It said the anti-corruption unit was flying from Dubai to investigate the issue. They should have been there to prevent it in the first place rather than "flying in" after the damage had been done. ... That aside, the ICC is a waste anyway.

  • POSTED BY poderdubdubdub on | September 1, 2010, 16:46 GMT

    The Amir 'no balls' did not make any difference to the outcome of the match however the Suraj Randiv's no-ball incident to deny Virender Sehwag an ODI century in Sri Lanka in mid-August did. Could this no-ball be part of a spot-fixing scam as well? Someone could have cleaned up betting against Sehwag making a century while on 99. If nothing else, this shows how much doubt and innuendo arises when match-fixing becomes a realistic possibility. How many match results the Indian bookies influence today, the Indian Prime minister has ordered today a full investigation into the Indian involvement in the murky world of match fixing (remember Azharuddin, Jadeja), lets hope Pakistan does the same.

  • POSTED BY deanc on | September 1, 2010, 16:45 GMT

    For respondents that may have overlooked some facts to the above article refer:

    August 18, 2009 - Australia report bookie approach to ICC http://www.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/content/story/420254.html and August 31, 2010 - Bookie approached Shane Watson twice http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/475190.html

    tks

  • POSTED BY Javed2010 on | September 1, 2010, 16:40 GMT

    Every body knows Pakistan is one of the top world class team along side, Australia, England and South Africa. Pakistan team has top class telent. you can notice Bookies only approach top perfomer of the game, Pakistan team player should be careful and not involve in bad thing. World want to see the new bowling sensataion Amir and world best bowling attack ( Asif, Amir, Umer Gul, shoaib akhter, Riaz, Ajmal ) . Pakistan should remember they are world champion in T20 format and ODI, Every body looking on you.

  • POSTED BY poderdubdubdub on | September 1, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    If an ICC 'hall of shame' was established, the Indian IPL will take all the room in the hall that no room will be left for the Pakistanis, India is five times larger than Pakistan so the same ratio of cheaters.

  • POSTED BY svasudevan on | September 1, 2010, 16:28 GMT

    It feels like Mohamad Aamer was left with no options, but to comply with this mis-deed. Imagine, if you are the junior most member, just 18 years old and your seniors and caption wants you to behave in a certain way.. what can you do ?you have to comply. May be just a few pennies were given to Aamer and the rest were shared by the seniors !!! I feel really sorry for Aamer. He should not be punished; instead whoever who made him do this should be.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 16:07 GMT

    What happened was a shame for Pakistan Cricket and Pakistan as a country.

    The only way to stop fixing is to make sure that anyone proven guilty should be banned for life in all form of cricket. That would set the fear among cricketers to not to get involved in this murky business.

    Once players stop fixing matches the whole thing will die down.

    Also ICC should have a "hall of shame " , where they should publish names of all convicted match fixers.

    And again , please don't try to distinguish between spot fixing and match fixing. They are just phrases.

    A cheater is a cheater is a cheater.

  • POSTED BY Kirk-at-Lords on | September 1, 2010, 15:57 GMT

    The commentaries, more so than the article itself, demonstrate just how murky and awful the situation in the cricket has become for all of us, not merely for the Pakistan boys. There is no escape from this, even for Aussies. I suggest everyone read Gideon Haigh's Cricinfo Magazine column of 31 August (http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/475153.html) for a view of the larger picture. One thing that Mr Haigh referenced in his column, the Suraj Randiv no-ball incident to deny Virender Sehwag an ODI century in Sri Lanka in mid-August, now gives me pause. Could this no-ball be part of a spot-fixing scam as well? Someone could have cleaned up betting against Viru making a century while on 99. (In fact he hit a six off the last no-ball delivery, which did not count.) If nothing else, this shows how much doubt and innuendo arises when match-fixing becomes a realistic possibility.

  • POSTED BY Toescrusher on | September 1, 2010, 15:37 GMT

    FIFA suspended super start like Meradona with one violation during 1994 world cup. ICC is far from that level to suspend any player particularly a genuine fast bowler ICC and the cricketing world like genuine fast bowlers and there are very few available. It is true that Pakistan is used as escape goat but on the other hand Pakistan have what it takes to survive which is very much true for all the institutions in Pakistan. ICC and cricketing world need to do a lot before things can be changed moreover ICC and Scotland Yard are over rated organizations. Scotland Yard starts its investigation with the bang and as the investigation continues and reaches towards its end you get the impression that Scotland Yard was not even part of the investigation like we see in the Bob Woolmer's case. Above scenario clearly suggest that it will be a happy ending as usual and this small happy family of cricket world will have next episode of the same play in the near future.

  • POSTED BY K-amps on | September 1, 2010, 15:29 GMT

    @Shabazyounas: Mate you actually makes some sense. Let them be Martyrs, let it be known who were their enemies and who were their friends, who was the fanatic and who was the sane one, let it all be transparent....

    @Satrltx: there was nothing suspicious about Woolmer's death, though it was overhyped. I wonder who was behind this overhyping... I know many newspapers sold during that time..... . @Chris_P: M Waugh and Warnie never reported it right away... also they were not stupid, they just figured they could get away with it... same as Warnie thinking that koolaid that his Granny gave him (dieuretic) would never be found out.. Aussies get off your high horse and quit talking about other people's cultures.. You really don't want to go down that path....

    Cronje should never have fessed... he drained away all the anger that was building, he was a scapegoat, everyone remembers him today but not all those who did the same but never fessed up... The guy is dead, quit kicking the dead horse

  • POSTED BY Homer2007 on | September 1, 2010, 15:24 GMT

    Where is Ajay S Shankar now? http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2009/content/story/402377.html

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 15:14 GMT

    Based on the messages in this thread, it seems like people have already accepted that the trio is guilty. As far as I know nothiing official has been announced. Let's wait till the official police report is complete and then start labeling the trio as doing illegal activities or what have you.

    I agree with Taylor on not banning the entire nation because of a few people.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 14:50 GMT

    it may be a trap for pakistani cricket team especially for AMIR who is performing so well in this english summer......

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    well i always knew watto was a highly intelligent fellow

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 14:46 GMT

    GOD!!!! PROTECT AAMIR........!!!!

  • POSTED BY bingobob on | September 1, 2010, 14:24 GMT

    The reason this has become so prevalent (betting scandals) is because the public can bet on almost anything (like when no balls are bowled). Many of these events are easy to fix (perhaps only needing the cooperation of 1 player). If the public was only allowed to bet on the end result of a match, a number of things would happen. 1) Betting scandals would become much more difficult to orchestrate, since it would require the cooperation of an entire team 2) Profits would be smaller and costs larger (for the scam artists) and 3) any fixed match would come under great scrutiny (as opposed to 3 no balls at the start of an innings)... In all of this, I get the feeling that the ICC is protecting the bookmakers more than the game itself. Perhaps it is the case that they do not have adequate authority over bookmakers. I still love the game.

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | September 1, 2010, 14:04 GMT

    @Agus Kallis -- Man, open your eyes. Because of IPL other players are not involved in it. When you have easy money, you will go for something likt this??? Pakistan players donot have matches in homeground, not in IPL then they tried collect some easy money. Performance of Indian team was poor in ICC events only. They won lot of series in India as well as abrod. 6-1 Vs Lanka, 5-0 Vs eng, Won series in NZ, Asiacup. So donot assume IPL is too bad.

  • POSTED BY Navin84 on | September 1, 2010, 13:58 GMT

    Sorry folks...did not know it was reported, didn't heard much about it then, that's why. Sorry for any inconvenience caused!

  • POSTED BY Amir_D on | September 1, 2010, 13:53 GMT

    Match fixing has been going on for decades and still is happening as we speak, Pak is always used as a scapegoat to divert attention from more powerful nations like Aus/India. ICC and all cricket boards know about it, IPL is a massive mafia run fixing festival, everyone knows but there's so much money involved to undermine it. But the ICL was branded a fraud because it was a renegade league where ICC and BCCI wasn't getting the money generated.

    The entire game needs cleaning up, that recently completed nonsense series with India, Sri Lanka and NZ was a definite fix somewhere. It's because of all this live betting and the ability to bet on almost any aspect of sport. Football is fixed all the way up to World Cup level but there's too much money involved.

  • POSTED BY K-amps on | September 1, 2010, 13:48 GMT

    @Jeet1123: If that's the case, then they should be playing in the IPL, where their desires and talents can shine..... if you know what I mean.

  • POSTED BY Tipz on | September 1, 2010, 13:43 GMT

    ICC is looking at this from wrong side. you are trying to control players yet nothing is done to go after bookies. they can come offer huge amount of money. look at what this bookie said about spot fixing where a good team score good against a good team yet a lot less against a weak team. if we start looking you would notice this problem might be far more wide spread. ICC you have to cut the weed from roots not trim it. if you want to fix this issue go after these bookmaker cartel. who can influence by threatening and other means

  • POSTED BY Tipz on | September 1, 2010, 13:43 GMT

    ICC is looking at this from wrong side. you are trying to control players yet nothing is done to go after bookies. they can come offer huge amount of money. look at what this bookie said about spot fixing where a good team score good against a good team yet a lot less against a weak team. if we start looking you would notice this problem might be far more wide spread. ICC you have to cut the weed from roots not trim it. if you want to fix this issue go after these bookmaker cartel. who can influence by threatening and other means

  • POSTED BY India30 on | September 1, 2010, 13:35 GMT

    Yeah.....Watson is right.......and even mark taylor is right.....why the whole nation should be banned for 3 guys....its not fair.....and i want ICC and all other boards should be more cautioned about this issue....don't let the game down plz...

  • POSTED BY cricket-vid on | September 1, 2010, 13:28 GMT

    I hate to say it but the PCB and the ICC was told this in 2003: http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/130030.html The result for raising such an issue: http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/128899.html I agree with Watson. I rest my case.

  • POSTED BY _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on | September 1, 2010, 13:26 GMT

    @Aussinator,Navin and similar posters. This matter is a BIG DEAL. Stop trying to turn it into a small minded, petty quarrel. This is not something like sledging or trying to pick on the Pak team, this is FIXING RESULTS. It is the disgracing of a nation and our beautiful sport. Yet still,in u'r petty selfishness, some of u want to express u'r peeves against certain players at every opportunity, this is not the time and place for that, get serious! Anyway,I agree with Mark Taylor, Pak should not be banned totally due to the action of some of its players. I will go as far as to say young Amir should not get a life ban, if the allegations are proven true. He should get a lengthy ban but not a life ban, he's young, he's new and he should be given a 2nd chance. ICC is really not doing ENOUGH, I won't say they are doing nothing but they are not doing enough and its time they act like a real international body and make their presence felt.

  • POSTED BY Itchy on | September 1, 2010, 13:03 GMT

    @ Asif_Iqbal: because they knew they would get a result with Pak squad!

    Seriously though, only those players found to be involved should be fined and banned, not the whole team. Unfortunately with Pak cricket, the problems would appear to be systemic, running from government and the PCB to the players. Good on Mark Taylor and Geoff Lawson for standing up for the rest of the players and Pak team in general.

    As for comparisons with Mark Waugh and Shane Warne (who were guilty of providing match information, not deliberately influencing the match), I can only laugh. Australian players have it drummed into them to report any such approach straight away - I'm not saying they always do but you would think they would learn based on the experiences of other cricketers who have been caught and punished.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 12:48 GMT

    I agree with Mark Taylor he is one of the experience cricketers, and I also agree with Watson. If any country would stop playing against Pakistan then there would be no fun and twist in world cups specially T20, because Pakistan are still the number 1 team in that format. We should not blame Pakistan we should blame the individuals who are doing ilegal activities. As far as Watson is concerned he is right about that ICC Anti security officers cant do any thing, so whats the point of the anti security? As a Pakistani I believe Watson is a great allrounder who can change the game of any format.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 12:45 GMT

    I feel that the ICC is incompetent. It has done nothing to eradicate match fixing in any part of the world.

  • POSTED BY chad_reid on | September 1, 2010, 12:36 GMT

    TOO ALL YOU GUYS WHO ARE CONSTANTLY ASKING WHY IS WATSON TELLING THIS NOW. HE TOLD CRICKET AUSTRALIA AS SOON AS THE BOOKIE APPROACHED AND THEIR WAS A STORY ABOUT IT ON CRICINFO, IF YOU FOLLOW THIS SITE YOU WILL KNOW. THE MEDIA IS ASKING WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE BOOKIE CAME TO SEE WATSON BECAUSE OF THE PAK FIXING CONTROVERSY AND HE IS JUST ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, AND WHAT THE CORRUPTION UNIT DID ABOUT THE SITUATION WHICH IS NOTHING, STOP BAGGING HIM AND ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE WHICH IS ABOUT FIXING AND CORRUPTION IN THE SPORT.

  • POSTED BY AKNT on | September 1, 2010, 12:19 GMT

    this is so not fair.Yes there are "allegations" against pakistan but it DOESNT mean that they did it.Although asif might have some role in this,NO ONE has the right to ban the entire nation!! I mean there might be a posibilty that there is a match-fixing scam but there is absolutely no proof that butt and amir have actually done it.there is no way they should even consider banning the team for what 1-2 players might have done.Let the investigators come to a proper result before anyone starts pointing any fingers! -FULLY SUPPORTING BUTT AND AMIR (I have confidence that they are not-guilty)

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 11:46 GMT

    When afridi scrod 100 against my country srilanka in dambulla in last Asia cup match i was tried and felt sorry when Pakistan couldn't win the match coz as a cricketer he tried the best and as a captain he tried his best .... we don't want to c this kind of players out of the game and Pakistan out of the game .. they have a grate history in this beautiful game one or two can make things ugly but a whole nation to suffer that is not excepted . and Pakistan deserves more than that ... coming to Mohamed amir ...come on he is just a kid and if we want forgive a kid we all have to put our own children in prisons and we to would have Bing in prisons for what we did when we were teenage ..i am totally against with match fixing i think everybody loves the game hates it .... but end of the day we all are not angels .... mark Taylor my hats off for you .... ..... Pakistan my support is for you

  • POSTED BY talljuanny on | September 1, 2010, 11:37 GMT

    I totally agree with Watson. Ever since Cronje confessed, the ICC felt that they got to the bottom of this match-fixing scandal since they thought He was the main cause of it all,but sorry to say the ICC fail to dig into the root of it all.

    I'm sure if they do dig into it they'll find a whole bunch of players involved in it since the 90's (Unfortunately not ever1 is like Cronje to confess) and the reputation of the game would be dented. I'm very sure that there are a whole lot of players involved in fixing, not just Pakistan but a whole bunch. Match fixing will never be eradicated if this whole thing is not bought to light and players found guilty severely punished ! Cricket is a waste of time if this thing is not solved Right Here,Right Now! Get to the bottom of this before it's too late.

  • POSTED BY Gharo on | September 1, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    why ban the nation?? ban all those who are involved....

  • POSTED BY stranger_expatriate on | September 1, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    I solute the statement of Mark Taylor bcz he said whatever a true cricketer should say. just punished those individuals who are invloved instead of a nation. Mr. Shane watson why you was sleeping before???? say simple that you are scaring from Asif and Aamir. i am not supporting match fixing or spot fixing. gultiy should be punished. Law should be same for all not just for pakistan

  • POSTED BY CricIsCrazy on | September 1, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    This whole thing badly reeks. All the boards and ICC are heavily involved. Hence the reluctance to stem it. They are all afraid that the whole game and the governing bodies will all be exposed and then there will no more victims (fans) left. Ban Cricket and show these people that their source of income is cut.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | September 1, 2010, 11:29 GMT

    @Cricinfodotcom. What culture do you refer to? Do you mean when Warne & Waugh were paid money to provide a pitch report? The only thing they were guilty of was total stupidity if they thought this wasn't an opening the bookie set. They did, however, report this immediatley to the management, then onto the ACB. The biggest issue I had with the ACB (Now Cricket Australia) was that they didn't make it public and had to wait for a reporter to reveal this 4 years after the fact! So try, just for a change, to gather facts before making stupid statements. Match fixing, in any form has had undertones in many sports in all countries in basketball (shaving points), soccer, rugby codes etc, however this is particularly serious as everyone was watching the Pakistan team intently given past dalliances, so this was gross stupidity at levels we hadn't witnessed before. I agree with Taylor totally.

  • POSTED BY dharmadasa on | September 1, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    @Navin84, mirazakhtar - get your facts right. The approaches were reported by the Aussie players correctly at the time - the issue is that ICC did nothing. The players are now confirming the past history, which is on the record.

    @Ajit Thombare - you make no sense. You say "Shane Watson should mind his own business ..and let ICC do the preventive measures." You mean do nothing? Because ICC has done nothing. You have missed the entire point.

    Then you say 'This shows the mentality of Australian Officials .'. You are right. They don't like corruption. Do you mean that officials from other countries do like corruption? Maybe you are right again, the ICC is totally corrupt. I suggest you should think about what you are saying, otherwise you will humiliate yourself further.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 11:14 GMT

    Poor Watson. He doesn't know that the BCCI elections (and as a result, the ICC elections) are more corrupt than anything the Pakistanis could possibly imagine. If the BCCI itself is profiting by not cleaning its own stable, why would it look to clean other's problems. In fact, the only thing that they would be upset about the whole incident is that they didn't get any profits out of it.

  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | September 1, 2010, 11:09 GMT

    Watson is talking a lot about ICC now, after the change of leadership. He was all in praise of it when he and Australia got away with a lot of dirty sledging and player harassment all these years.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 11:09 GMT

    I guess that it may open a Pandora box, if ICC proceeds to eradicate the issue for once and for all. It would never happen. However, players as a whole and particularly Pakistani players should learn that a tiny mistake leads to a disaster at nation level.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 11:07 GMT

    Yes I agree with kiwirocker, it is because of money the game is spoiled, I think the IPL is the most money making game business in the world, because of IPL the Indian team also spoiled and the players from India doesn't like to perform in International matches, because they wants to be fit while play for their money making IPL team, after the IPL starts you see the International performance of Indian team, they never like to win any international matches, one day all the good performer will retire from all form of Cricket to contribute their IPL team, time to time senior players taking rest or under play in International matches, this is all because of corrupted IPL series and because of money

  • POSTED BY cricpolitics on | September 1, 2010, 11:01 GMT

    As one of the writers rightly put that cricket corruption does not start and end with Pakistan. Almost every cricket team and related organizations are somehow involved. I'm not sure why Australian cricketers are coming out to say that they were approached by bookies in England as well? Why this thing was not exposed at the time, why now? Why would bookies approach them if they are so clean. It would be foolish to think that match or spot fixing does not go on in tournaments like IPL or a one off T20 between England and West Indies for $20 mil where the British sponsor was arrested for committing one of the biggest frauds in sporting history.

  • POSTED BY Philip_Gnana on | September 1, 2010, 10:51 GMT

    What is Watson talking about? It is absurd to assume that the ICC does not want to irradicate corruption. There is this presumption that the ICC itself is currupt. It is completely out of order for Watson to come out with such strong words. If I was from the management team of the ICC I would ask him to come clean and spit things out if he had knwledge of irregularities. I just do not want to bring in the Aussies here, but it is that mentality of the OZ that infuriates me. They think that they are squeeky clean. Remember the match reports and the pitch conditions etc.... involving Warney? Come of it Watson. Just spit it out our shut up. Philp Gnana, Surrey

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 10:35 GMT

    Pakistan is important for international cricket. The game is inclined towards the batsmen and Pakistan being the fast bowler's breeding ground - gives a thrill to the game. I am concerned for the young Amir more than any other player involved. He can be a talent to watch in next 10-15 years.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 10:30 GMT

    I am Pakistani and I wish Pakistan should be thrown out of the cricket world for a certain period of time OR forever... It would have two consequences, one Pakistan and Paki corrupt administration would learn a lesson, secondly those who wish Pakistan out and want to humiliate Pakistan as a nation would realize the worst aftermath of the absence of a leading country out of the list of hardly 10 numbers...

    Briefly, Pakistani administration lacks in integrity as well as there are such non state actors struggling days and nights, giving flaming points to prove Pakistan as a failure nation.

  • POSTED BY Fast_Track_Bully on | September 1, 2010, 10:29 GMT

    No need to ban a country. But ban players. Not like PCB's earlier bans. Life ban or few years ban like India did to Ajay Jadeja and Mongiya.

    I think ICC is wait for an action from PCB. Because if Pawar take any action against Pakistan, there loud cry over it. They will present it as a Anti-Pak action from an Indian. Pawar trying to avoid that - thats all.

    BTW, @ sabee66 KapilDev not involved in any match fixing. Those were just allegations. How do you feel if I say Inzamam was a match fixer???

  • POSTED BY hot-spot on | September 1, 2010, 10:28 GMT

    I think PCB should increase the salary for their players lol... Whats the use if PCB allows those players to play cricket again after all these allegations? Isn't PCB shame or the ICC

  • POSTED BY PremZtalks on | September 1, 2010, 10:26 GMT

    Dont be surprised if ICC renames CRICKET as CRACK-IT!!! Are we watching or gonnu watch WWE rather than the sport of cricket which I believed, loved and madly followed for all these years...Where are those people who always say "No one is bigger than the sport" ?. I somehow got the feeling that even if these pak players come out of this scandal unscathed, the match-fixing will exist in some form or the other. The one & only option for people like me is to switch over the sport and enter a new world where there are lot more games than CRICKET.

  • POSTED BY stareltx on | September 1, 2010, 10:25 GMT

    Brilliant boldness from Watson for his comments! The ICC is a joke. Corruption may creep into every corner of the globe, but the depth of the problem in cricket is a serious concern. Just ask Andrew Symonds. The BCCI gets away with whatever they want, no matter how unfair the final verdicts. Rest his soul, but need I bring up Bob Woolsey's tragic, yet suspicious death after Pakistan's departure from the WC? Open your eyes people! I agree with Mark Taylor, and commend him, but Watson is right, and it took his courage to put the ICC firmly in the spotlight, and it's time for it to sweat. Bravo Watto! These events are just not cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    I am Pakistani and I wish Pakistan should be thrown out of the cricket world for a certain period of time OR forever... It would have two consequences, Pakistan and Paki corrupt administration would learn a lesson, secondly those who wish Pakistan out and want to humiliate Pakistan as a nation would realize the worst aftermath of the absence of a leading country out of the list of hardly 10 numbers...

    Briefly, Pakistani administration lacks in integrity as well as there are such non state actors struggling days and nights to raise flaming points to prove Pakistan as a failure nation.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 10:11 GMT

    Amer asif butt and akmal should all be banned from international cricket and all their records should be erased

  • POSTED BY aus5892 on | September 1, 2010, 9:57 GMT

    They did say something Navin, they reported it to CA who reported it to the ICC immediately. And what did they do? Nothing, because they are a cowardly, corrupt organisation. John Howard was cricket's only hope of being saved. What a shame once again they refused to take action.

  • POSTED BY Niall on | September 1, 2010, 9:54 GMT

    Navin,

    Watson at least *did* say something when first approached. For what it's worth I agree with Taylor and to some extent Lawson. Cricket is richer with Pakistan, it is poorer with individuals that cheat. In the case of an 18 year old just starting out I think a significant fine and suspension period would be adequate. I'm afraid the Captain if shown to have behaved as suggested - and it looks highly likely - should never play international cricket or hold an official position again.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    @Navin84, mate they told the management of the Australian cricket team, and it was dealt with. The difference is, they didn't actually fix the game like these Pakistani players, they were just approached. They're talking about it publically now because they have probably been asked about it by the media. And good on Taylor. he is right. It would be a real shame for the whole team to be banned but if others are found out they should get harsher bans than what these three will get (if you can have a harsher punishment than a life ban).

  • POSTED BY mirazakhtar on | September 1, 2010, 9:51 GMT

    I don't understand why every one came when any thing wrong with pakistan cricketer. for exp when pakistan cricketer involve in spot-fixing aussi player shane watson came and telling some indian bokki contacted me and acsu and icc not taking any action, my Q. why he is not telling when they offer for fixing? Mr. watson if you read my comments please reply me soon.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    voicing your opinion is a good thing ...Oz's and ECB are getting what they have wanted after humiliating rejection of their candidate ...yes, its a different issue ..but have any cricketer who's still very active on international cricket ever questioned ICC . This is just what CA wants since they want to blame ICC for anything .Or may be since Asian officials dominates ICC more than ever.Shane watson should mind his own business ..and let ICC do the preventive measures.Yesterday there was an article about Malcom Speed gave his opinion about this issue .He vowed that this issue should have happened when he was incharge rather than saying this issue shouldnt have happened .This shows the mentality of Australian Officials .Of course not everybody in Australia is like him.But if the top officials are like him , I mean ..what else could be expected from players ?

  • POSTED BY Shashi_23 on | September 1, 2010, 9:48 GMT

    There might be a probable Subtext to Watson's comments...

    Sharad Pawar has a track record of being incompetent Administrator. His motives are also to fault. I don't see him doing anything in this Regard.

    He was the Food and Agriculture Minister, because of his incompetency/corrupt ways food grains are still rotting in the Godowns when the poor of the country are dying for food. Most suspect that he has a shady deal going on with private business houses.

    I also think the 3 players will escape punishment because pawar is the man to cut deals with. PCB are u listening. The hidden subtext in watson's comment is that Mr Pawar will not do anything!!!

    Cricinfo guys please ask Mr.Pawar any questions on this if you can. After all you guys play neutral right??

  • POSTED BY sabee66 on | September 1, 2010, 9:46 GMT

    Taylor is right, if ban on the team should solve the problem @RAJU_IYER, when Azahardin,Jedega,mongia,sharma,pharbarkar,Kepil Dev was involved and the originating match fixing in cricket SHOULD INDIA BANNED??????? but i guess if ICC wants to ban anything they should ban IPL, the money where all players are considering to become rich in days and the worth of the game is measures in terms of $$$$ ICC should do somethign over there to trial MODI and CO

  • POSTED BY Seasole on | September 1, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    Hmmm, well done Aussies!! it is said that true well wisher is there when you need them!! we appreciate all the supporting comments made by different personalities. Further to say that these cricketers are underpaid is certainly a joke. Cricketers and that too international cricketers are WELL PAID PEOPLE not saying as I feel bad, jealous or any other thing, its because they are rich but if they have really done this shameful act then they deserve punishment

  • POSTED BY Trickstar on | September 1, 2010, 9:43 GMT

    @Navin84 Watson and Haddin did report this and it was actually written about on cricinfo a few months ago.

  • POSTED BY KiwiRocker- on | September 1, 2010, 9:43 GMT

    Agreed with Mark Taylor. Cricket without Pakistan is football without Brazil. Lets be honest, no other team brings such a joy, uncertainty and thrill to the game. I rate Pakistan and W.Indies the most entertaining teams although off course they may not always be the most successful one! Just like Brazil. On topic of match fixing, I agree with Watto..But ICC is still not working on the real problem.Real problem is in India.That is where all the bookies have connections.That is where the big players are sitting. IPL has fuelled match fixing. ICC is scared to attack BCCI as ICC's own president who happens to be from BCCI. Every match fixing scandal is always linked back to Indian bookies. It is also hilarious how Hayden is saying Australian will never do that while Australian board itself fined Shane Warne and Mark Waugh for their dodgy dealings. Needless to say how desperate Hayden and co. was to play IPL despite security concerns. I guess greed and money has spoiled the beautiful game!

  • POSTED BY mcji5sa2 on | September 1, 2010, 9:39 GMT

    2 issues. 1 is the incompetence of the PCB and the 2nd and most important is - are we so naive to believe that only 4 players in the whole of world cricket are involved in spot-fixing.

    the first issue is that the PCB does not behave like a credible body of authority. "Fixing" however for any cricket fan is the most concerning. the only reason before this incident ppl gave pak the benefit of doubt was because they played exciting unpredictable cricket. And it turns out now even that could have been the result of fraud. If tough action is not taken it will confirm the benefits for a player to spot fix are far greater than the consequences.

    catching a player spot-fixing is remarkably difficult as it so subtle (unlike "match-fixing" ala herschelle gibbs). if for less suspicion a player can reap the same benefits as "matchfixing" then it implies more ppl involved than 10 years ago - provided a great inequality exists between a player's match earnings and "fixing" earnings.

  • POSTED BY jcferns on | September 1, 2010, 9:37 GMT

    ICC anti corruption is like UN, sees everything but does nothing. Everyone knows that Indian and Pakistan bookies are flourishing around and ICC anti corruption couldn't even break through even one? Even Cronje event was never caught by ICC anti corruption unit.

  • POSTED BY Cricinfodotcom on | September 1, 2010, 9:36 GMT

    Watson earlier made a comment to the effect "Whether its in their culture or not..."- guess someone needs to remind him of the 'culture' Warne and Waugh showed in the past!

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:34 GMT

    The Anti-Corruption Unit of the ICC can go about stopping the match-fixing activities only through the legal way. The fact that they cannot go undercover ensures that the cheats have multiple avenues to go about their job. Either they have to do it the News of the World way or shut shop because they don't seem to be working. I agree with Shane Watson.

  • POSTED BY Sungupta on | September 1, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    Ha. This from a cricketer who hid the fact that he was approached by a bookie. His attitude is part of the problem.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    I bet even if the whole team is involved no body can ban Pakistan; I am very disappointed to see some of the comments by cricketers and users(comments) regarding Pakistan ban; no body have any sort of feeling for the game; I see Indians they really want to ban Pakistan, but my friend you cant do anything; I tell you if Pakistan doesn't play cricket; cricket will be on the losing side; I bet cricket can't survive without these major teams and Pakistan is one of them; after all these are allegations with no solid proofs as we all know, lies doesn't have feet to stand;

  • POSTED BY srtyder on | September 1, 2010, 9:27 GMT

    nice & rational judgement by taylor. @ naviin84 watson did report when he was approached by bookies. i think that icc should make sure that players are not constantly approached by bookies and constant incidents do indicate a failure in anti corruptions performance.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    there is a lot of hidden truth which ICC wants to keep as hidden. Paki are exposed but am sure there are many teams who are approached by bookies at different stages. Samules from WI, Cronje from SA, Odumbe from Kenya, Salim Malik and Ata ur Rehman from Pak, Azherurddin and Jedeja from India, Mark Waugh and Shane Warne from Aus all nations were somehow involved in this. It will keep happening until ICC do something big.

  • POSTED BY ViewHopper on | September 1, 2010, 9:25 GMT

    here is the evidence http://worldocricket.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/hidden-facts-behind-fake-evidences-of-news-of-the-world/

  • POSTED BY sahmed51 on | September 1, 2010, 9:20 GMT

    Save the game of cricket not d players.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:20 GMT

    yeah Mark Taylor is very right. due to a couple of player u can t punish a nation. but why watson wake up know. why he hasn't informed the ICC at that time. you can guess how scared they are from the Asif & Aamir.i am not supporting match fixing or spot fixing if some individule is involve make him example but please please and please not just pakistani's . rules should be same for all

  • POSTED BY StarveTheLizard on | September 1, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    Hi Navin, I believe they reported the incident to their management immediately. This is on record and was mentioned in a couple of the articles floating around at the moment.

    The point I see of significance is that nothing happened after they they did so. Hence, Watson's comments. If the ICC got involved back then, their efforts were not very effective.

    I think calls for Pakistan's exclusion are an over-reaction. What next, exclude India for administrator corruption and some bad pitches; Australia for sledging; England for Stuart Broad? No country is perfect.

    Incidentally, Mark Taylor was one of the best captains Australia ever had - a real gentleman.

  • POSTED BY Naren on | September 1, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    One thing I don't agree with people talking out there to pardon Amir as he is young. Didn't they do the same with Asif? Drugs, match fixing.. not sure what other things he has not done. People like these are a disgrace to any nation and should be banned for life.

  • POSTED BY srini1088 on | September 1, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    wat is mr watson tryin to do now?why didnt he come out and speak when the approach took place,.tat would have gien enough informatiion to acsu to atleast stay alert...now all he is tryin is to get attention ....

  • POSTED BY KingPunter on | September 1, 2010, 9:13 GMT

    Ban Pakistan from cricket. Guess how many proper cricket playing nations will be left. A day will come where only England, Australia and India will play cricket. Hey forgot Sri Lanka. Anyways people have stopped watching Test cricket in RSA. WI and NZ are already going down the slope. Great going for world cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:11 GMT

    Mark taylor would be just one of the good guys , but usually this ausses are just meany liars and all SOB , Just read what watson says , Ran deep into there culture how could he go that far . we have never complain abt your culture thought you to be cheating the world , You guys are teh greatest liars every one do know that cheap as a hell. Still he needs to offer an apology to the pakistan nation after saying those words. They are just jealous because there vice president was not allowed to be elected for ICC and haroon lorgat whose name sounds asian though he is a south african and sharad pawar all asians rule the ICC which is not chewable to aussies now. And all this is really expected after being beaten badly by pakistani team .

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 9:10 GMT

    'Why did Watson, Brad Haddin, Bret Lee and Mitchell Johnson did not say anything when they were also approached? Why now, when the Pakistanis were exposed?' - Well they did say something... to the proper authorities.. as far as to the media.. I don't think it was very relevant before; 'A booky approached us, but we said no' isn't exactly a great story.. it just makes them look like they're putting on a holier than thou act... it only becomes relevant once an actual scandal takes place..

  • POSTED BY M_H_K on | September 1, 2010, 9:07 GMT

    Watson is right in his opinion, ICC anti corruption unit is not doing well enough. But why blame only anti corruption unit. ICC itself is a hostage to one country led by a corrupt indian politician.

  • POSTED BY Paul-in-Finland on | September 1, 2010, 9:03 GMT

    ICC not corrupt....is like saying the BCCI does not influce the ICC ...good call both guys, not all Pakistaniis are corrupt, yet make sure there is a non-reversable life ban for those guys caught. Do not leave it up to the PCB they will reverse the ban when they need players again. An ICC lifetime ban is the only answer.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:57 GMT

    Pakistan u have....the support of one sub continent country, most of the Sri Lankan fans. I do feel for you, it is not the answer to ban Pakistan,you should not even think of that, we got to look at it 360. A country that has so much bad things going on now, this would be the final nail in the coffin for the Pakistan Supporter.

    What i cannot believe is that the Pakistan team would turn there back on the Pakistan fan .At a time where hero's are hard to come by in your country THIS SHIT HAPPENS!!

    But i do believe that Amir should be on probation or maybe a years's ban. Just imagine how easy it is to exploit a 18 year old. Maybe a senior or the captain luring him into this mess. He is just 18.!!!!PPL. I do feel for him. The others found guilty should be banned for life by the ICC, and not the PCB.

    Final Request ......The big Picture!!! ICC

  • POSTED BY 1951 on | September 1, 2010, 8:53 GMT

    Pakistani investigating team should also ask the ICC to come clean how it cleared Sydney Test & Amir talking over cell phone in Colombo? ICC must share their investigations on these two cases because now ICC is saying that Sydney Test will be investigated again. ICC should not be allowed to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

    Also the point to be noted in the Pakistani investigations that Mazhar Majeed, is putting cash in his right inner side of the jacket's pocket (while sitting in car), but showing the left inner side pocket of his jacket to Umar Amin & Wahab Riaz, before handing over his jacket to Wahab Riaz. Minor issue, but a point to ponder that every thing on video film, is not factual.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:53 GMT

    Well Mr. Raju, i think they should have banned the whole indian and south african team when Azhar and Hansie were banned only. See the root cause and its Indian Bookies who are contaminating this sport, I vote to ban India from international cricket also along with Pakistan until this issue is solved. India bowled out to 88 against Kiwis recently ICC investigate that case too.

  • POSTED BY Jeet1123 on | September 1, 2010, 8:52 GMT

    Please throw pakistan away from world cricket and cricket will be beautiful again.......... These Pkistani players can never be playing for their country, they only play for money and only money........

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:52 GMT

    Wait for couple of days and the reality will come out. This is just to disgrace Pakistan! English media has done it before and now again.

  • POSTED BY cricslave on | September 1, 2010, 8:48 GMT

    I feel there is some link being afridi's retirement and this whole crap thing.. may be he was approached for doing something more and he didnt like doing that & hence he retired ..

    Raghav

  • POSTED BY whyowhy on | September 1, 2010, 8:48 GMT

    Mark Taylor is absolutely correct, why should a nation suffer because of a few greedy idiots, ban the culprits for life and show the successors that there will be no respite for future offenders.........anyone with even a faint involvement should be punished for life...... Navin you have not read properly, Watson, Lee and Haddin have reported the bookie when he tried to get through to them.....maybe if you give them your contact they will inform you direct in future !!!

  • POSTED BY Asif_Iqbal on | September 1, 2010, 8:48 GMT

    What I concern most that NEWS OF THE world planed to tarp the Pakistan team why not they do for others ??

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:35 GMT

    Well Mr. Raju, i think they should have banned the whole indian and south african team when Azhar and Hansie were banned only. See the root cause and its Indian Bookies who are contaminating this sport, I vote to ban India from international cricket also along with Pakistan until this issue is solved. India bowled out to 88 against Kiwis recently ICC investigate that case too.

  • POSTED BY Vicky_22 on | September 1, 2010, 8:33 GMT

    I have doubt even Watson has been involved in match fixing...so he is commenting full of dare that "The ICC anti-corruption unit is not really working," he knows very well & This very constitant batesman has been failed completely during Pakistan tour, People don't really worry about this.. coz every one thinks each batsmen has ups & downs in their carrier !!!!! what you say friends ?

  • POSTED BY ilovesachin10dulkar on | September 1, 2010, 8:31 GMT

    @satanwish, do u mean to say that the paki players dared to sell their nation becoz they had Powar as the president of the ICC? They must be assured that Powar is a very good friend of Pakistan and he has a lot of sympathy for their players. So let's go to the casino and sell our nation. We have Powar's back up.. Commo'n........ Don't meix up other things here. Powar is on of the many corrupted politicians (i guess all politicians are corrupted in there). But it means nothing to this issue. He has just taken over the presidency. And don't reply saying that this has started just after he became the president of the ICC. Read the article and the topic carefully. It is about AN AGENT OF THE PAKISTANI PLAYER CAUGHT OF FIXING, WITH THE HELP OF FEW OF THE PAKISTANI CRICKETERS INCLUDING THE CAPTAIN.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:29 GMT

    @Raju_Iyer: Have you ever been to Pakistan? LAwson has worked as the Pakistan coach for a considerable period of time, and has had 1st hand interaction with a number of Pakistan cricketers at the national and domestic level. He is thus qualified to make such judgments. I can see why it displeases you though.

  • POSTED BY Zarathustra_ on | September 1, 2010, 8:23 GMT

    @Navin84 They DID report it at the time. All approaches were reported to team managemnet and then to ICC , I remember the incidents being reported as small stories at the time. Gues what the ICC did when the approaches were rported...? Nothing as usual.

  • POSTED BY ilovesachin10dulkar on | September 1, 2010, 8:21 GMT

    I am not in the favour of sacking the whole nation from the ICC. But strong and firm steps need to be taken to disallow these traitors of the sport to play until and unless they are proven clean. Pakistan has always produced better of the pace bowlers in the history of the game. In order to maintain integrity of this game, it is much needed that these 7 players are banned and also there is a need for reform of the Pakistan cricket board. @satanwish, i dont understand where the hell does Powar come into this. He didnt fix the match. He didnt sell his team. the trend is that even if someone farts in Pakistan, it is India to blame. Please stop this mentality and look at the issue with broader perspective and understand the help the Pakistan cricket deserves to save its young generation from this. The president/ PM can't cancel the UK trip when your 1000s of people are dying, but when a cricketer is alleged, he helds conference to say that nothing has been proved. GROW UP!!!

  • POSTED BY mzaka on | September 1, 2010, 8:16 GMT

    ICC shud make its name like WWC to copy the WWE wherein people know that they are seeing mock matches... I think the whole of the pak team worked for the bookies who decided who shud get out at what time and the sincere ones line Yunus Khan and Afridi had to make way for professional players with "TEMPERAMENT" for test cricket

  • POSTED BY Yassar on | September 1, 2010, 8:14 GMT

    Mark Taylor is spot on. I think it is important to stress that at the moment it's only allegations against these 3 players. If proven then 'YES' they must face appropriate punishment. The PCB then need to get it's house in order to prevent such a thing happening in it's cricket from a domestic level right through to international level. Calls for Pakistan as a nation to be banned from cricket are ludicrous and have no justification and as Mark Taylor suggested would only mean world cricket being worse off. We have already seen through revelations from Shane Watson that the illegal bookies target everyone not just Pakistani's. I am sure Shane Watson is not the only Australian cricketer that has been targetted. There may be another who may have accepted the bookies offer and spot fixed a gameand the only difference is they as yet have not been caught. My point is do not make this into a Pakistan problem alone...it is a world problem and banning one nation does not help!

  • POSTED BY ilovesachin10dulkar on | September 1, 2010, 8:14 GMT

    Mark is right to say that the whole nation should not bear the punishment for few's dids. But having said that, here 7 odd players have been pointed out for the scandal. Apart from that, even after watching the clips and everything, still pak board is still supporting the players and denying charges. They are not ready to take any actions until the investigation is "over". How thick skinned they are to say that. All know it's going to take long time until anything is concluded. But until then, it is the board's responsibility to withhold the players under scan. This board will punish the players in case the investigation is positive, and after 2 months there will be call back for all the players. Look at the history of that board people. I feel sorry for them as talents like Amir is wasted becoz of the height of poor administration. Players take it for granted that even if they are banned for something, they have every right to return in the squad once the dust is settled.

  • POSTED BY sudhs_107 on | September 1, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    @Navin84: Because, when Lee, Watson and others were approached by bookies, they reported it to their team management. It was mentioned in one of the previous article.

  • POSTED BY Runster1 on | September 1, 2010, 8:07 GMT

    I dont think it is completely the ICC's fault. I think the media dont give a damn and just want a good story. PS: Is anybody here doing cricinfo's Fantasy Games Champion League. Plz, i dont really knw too many registered cricinfo peoples. Cud I plz invite you: I just need your name and email. Cud you plz post it up on this article or sumthin.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:05 GMT

    @ Navin84 - The Aussies reported their confrontations with match fixers to the ICC at the time. It's only now that it has been released to the media.

  • POSTED BY MSNEPP on | September 1, 2010, 8:05 GMT

    Well Warne was caught up in it, but back then it was ok. Now he is remembered as the best legspinner of all time. If examples were made then it would not have got this far. IPL and indians watch out.... your turn is next to be exposed.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 8:02 GMT

    Corruptions runs deeper than players, PCB board members, even their very top official get's their fare share of the match fixing. Aamir and Asif might pay for the fixing scandal but they were just puppets doing it for larger group of people.

  • POSTED BY passion4indiancric on | September 1, 2010, 7:59 GMT

    There are other ways of getting Publiicity Mr. Watson! WHAT were you doing all this while? Why did you keep mum till now and OPEN your foul mouth now. You did not inform anyone when you were approached once and did not report when approached the second time, WHY NOW? What are you achieving by crying foul now. Shame on you, how should one believe that on both occasions you were CLEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY chad_reid on | September 1, 2010, 7:57 GMT

    Well said Watto. Apparently the ICC is scared of what will come up if they investigate coz they no their is matching fixing in cricket or they just dont know how to do their job which is hilarious. Maybe they should hire NEWS OF THE WORLD OR SCOTLAND YARD to help them lol coz their ANTI CORRUPTION COMMITTEE IS A JOKE since they haven't done anything related to match fixing in cricket

  • POSTED BY farhajmoin on | September 1, 2010, 7:43 GMT

    Any one can blame any one. But first of all you must have to wait for the alligation to be proved true. Then try to demand something from the authorities.

    Actully all the English cricketers and Australian too are affraid of Aamir and Asif. Thats why the whole drama planned and played just before one day series. This is not new to Pakistan. Always Pakistan cricket and cricketers were targetted like this and the end result was nothing else then alligations.

    I can also say any thing about Watson or Ponting. Then it dosen't means they are engaged in fixing. Please do not blame our beloved cricketers before it has not proved. Aamir is our bright star and the 51 wickets in 14 matches is alamring and threat for their competitors. Which is the background of this darama. English and Austrlians are always behind South Asians.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    Thank you Mark Taylor for giving a justifying comment.why should a whole nation suffer for just two three people

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    Why the Cricket England and Cricket Australia be in hurry to ban Pakistan cricketers from International cricket? There is a allegation against 3 players and still not yet proven and have no evidence, but the English media and the news paper rise the issue and want to take serious action against the bowlers like Amir and Asif, it is because they don't want them to play in coming T20 and ODI series? it is proven that both Amir and Asif are the main thread for the English top order (4 of the top order went for duck in 4th test), so, by eliminate this 2 bowlers, England wants to win the T20 and ODI, if they lose against Pakistan it will be the big blow and mentally they feel bad during the Ashes, thats what they plan to drop those 2 bowlers, when there is no evidence against the allegations why ECB want to ban those 2 bowlers from playing 11?

  • POSTED BY Navin84 on | September 1, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    Why did Watson, Brad Haddin, Bret Lee and Mitchell Johnson did not say anything when they were also approached? Why now, when the Pakistanis were exposed?

  • POSTED BY Raisur on | September 1, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    I fully agree with Shane Watson's view. The ICC has failed as a Governing Body, the entire unit needs to be changed. We saw in IPL the top body were involved and no action was taken even Mr.Sharad Pawar himself. One should give credit to pakistan Team for exposing ICC even at the Mecca Of Cricket under their nose. These are carrying on for a long time and ICC are sitting like a redundant body. Even with hawk eye some umpires gives wrong decesion, it is claimed as human error??? what if they are also involved. People have really lost the charm and are no more intrested to watch fake game. ICC knows cricket is one of the most paying game and so scheduled match accordingly with huge prize money to live no scope for bookie. If Pakistan team are involved, the PCB should be blamed and not the player for lack of control and discipline. Immediately ICC should sign contract with Individual Player and Board to have contract if they found of any charges like match fixing and doping will be ban

  • POSTED BY Raju_Iyer on | September 1, 2010, 7:19 GMT

    How naive some people can be - Mark Taylor says " if just 2 or 3 people fixed certain deliveries" (to make it sound like a lesser crime) where practically the whole team is "tainted" one way or the other! His compatriot Geoff Lawson is even more hilarious, he thinks poor country boy Amir may have cheated to be able to buy generators for his village. Guys, you people are wasting your time in Australia, you should be in Bollywood as scriptwriters, at this rate, cricket (of the Pakistani variety at least) can give WWF a serious run for its money!

  • POSTED BY abdubaba on | September 1, 2010, 7:16 GMT

    Aussies rock! Especially Taylor. Good sound judgment. I say we fire Butt and hire Taylor as our PCB Chairman.

  • POSTED BY satanswish on | September 1, 2010, 7:15 GMT

    I support Watson. ICC should be blamed for its impotence. But well you can't do much when you have ICC President who is most corrupt politician in India.

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 7:01 GMT

    Mark Taylor is probably one of the most intelligent people in world cricket, and very fair too. What a bloke...

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  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 7:01 GMT

    Mark Taylor is probably one of the most intelligent people in world cricket, and very fair too. What a bloke...

  • POSTED BY satanswish on | September 1, 2010, 7:15 GMT

    I support Watson. ICC should be blamed for its impotence. But well you can't do much when you have ICC President who is most corrupt politician in India.

  • POSTED BY abdubaba on | September 1, 2010, 7:16 GMT

    Aussies rock! Especially Taylor. Good sound judgment. I say we fire Butt and hire Taylor as our PCB Chairman.

  • POSTED BY Raju_Iyer on | September 1, 2010, 7:19 GMT

    How naive some people can be - Mark Taylor says " if just 2 or 3 people fixed certain deliveries" (to make it sound like a lesser crime) where practically the whole team is "tainted" one way or the other! His compatriot Geoff Lawson is even more hilarious, he thinks poor country boy Amir may have cheated to be able to buy generators for his village. Guys, you people are wasting your time in Australia, you should be in Bollywood as scriptwriters, at this rate, cricket (of the Pakistani variety at least) can give WWF a serious run for its money!

  • POSTED BY Raisur on | September 1, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    I fully agree with Shane Watson's view. The ICC has failed as a Governing Body, the entire unit needs to be changed. We saw in IPL the top body were involved and no action was taken even Mr.Sharad Pawar himself. One should give credit to pakistan Team for exposing ICC even at the Mecca Of Cricket under their nose. These are carrying on for a long time and ICC are sitting like a redundant body. Even with hawk eye some umpires gives wrong decesion, it is claimed as human error??? what if they are also involved. People have really lost the charm and are no more intrested to watch fake game. ICC knows cricket is one of the most paying game and so scheduled match accordingly with huge prize money to live no scope for bookie. If Pakistan team are involved, the PCB should be blamed and not the player for lack of control and discipline. Immediately ICC should sign contract with Individual Player and Board to have contract if they found of any charges like match fixing and doping will be ban

  • POSTED BY Navin84 on | September 1, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    Why did Watson, Brad Haddin, Bret Lee and Mitchell Johnson did not say anything when they were also approached? Why now, when the Pakistanis were exposed?

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    Why the Cricket England and Cricket Australia be in hurry to ban Pakistan cricketers from International cricket? There is a allegation against 3 players and still not yet proven and have no evidence, but the English media and the news paper rise the issue and want to take serious action against the bowlers like Amir and Asif, it is because they don't want them to play in coming T20 and ODI series? it is proven that both Amir and Asif are the main thread for the English top order (4 of the top order went for duck in 4th test), so, by eliminate this 2 bowlers, England wants to win the T20 and ODI, if they lose against Pakistan it will be the big blow and mentally they feel bad during the Ashes, thats what they plan to drop those 2 bowlers, when there is no evidence against the allegations why ECB want to ban those 2 bowlers from playing 11?

  • POSTED BY on | September 1, 2010, 7:41 GMT

    Thank you Mark Taylor for giving a justifying comment.why should a whole nation suffer for just two three people

  • POSTED BY farhajmoin on | September 1, 2010, 7:43 GMT

    Any one can blame any one. But first of all you must have to wait for the alligation to be proved true. Then try to demand something from the authorities.

    Actully all the English cricketers and Australian too are affraid of Aamir and Asif. Thats why the whole drama planned and played just before one day series. This is not new to Pakistan. Always Pakistan cricket and cricketers were targetted like this and the end result was nothing else then alligations.

    I can also say any thing about Watson or Ponting. Then it dosen't means they are engaged in fixing. Please do not blame our beloved cricketers before it has not proved. Aamir is our bright star and the 51 wickets in 14 matches is alamring and threat for their competitors. Which is the background of this darama. English and Austrlians are always behind South Asians.

  • POSTED BY chad_reid on | September 1, 2010, 7:57 GMT

    Well said Watto. Apparently the ICC is scared of what will come up if they investigate coz they no their is matching fixing in cricket or they just dont know how to do their job which is hilarious. Maybe they should hire NEWS OF THE WORLD OR SCOTLAND YARD to help them lol coz their ANTI CORRUPTION COMMITTEE IS A JOKE since they haven't done anything related to match fixing in cricket