England's Pietersen dilemma

Pietersen dropped over text messages

David Hopps

August 12, 2012

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Kevin Pietersen play some expansive drives during his innings, England v South Africa, 2nd Investec Test, Headingley, 3rd day, August 4, 2012
Kevin Pietersen won't be taking on the South Africa attack at Lord's © Getty Images

Kevin Pietersen has been omitted from the England squad for the final Test against South Africa at Lord's, the morning after releasing a video where he committed himself to all international cricket, because he has failed to confirm that he did not send derogatory texts about Andrew Strauss and Andy Flower to South Africa players during the Headingley Test.

It was an allegation, according to England's managing director, Hugh Morris, that unless unproven undermined "a unity of purpose and trust." Pietersen made no reference to the text messages in his video apology. A five-hour delay in naming the squad was to give Pietersen the chance to confirm the content of the messages which he did not do.

Presumably he did send them and if South Africa leaked the fact they have now contributed to the removal of the England player they most fear.

A few hours after his omission, Pietersen released a brief statement. "None of this constitutes the end of my career as an international cricketer," he said. "To say I am gutted is an understatement... The entire episode has been demoralising for me and my family.

"The video I released was my way to bring closure to the issues I had at that time. I stand by every word I said in the video. I wish the team - and Straussy in particular - every success next week."

By dropping Pietersen, and dropping him in such an uncompromising manner, England have restated the absolute importance of the team ethic and will convince themselves that they have done all they can to avoid the circus that would have taken place if Pietersen had remained in England's Test side.

But the circus is in town, in any event - and the lack of England's No 1 celebrity cricketer is likely to be just as controversial.

It is Jonny Bairstow, who had an uncomfortable Test baptism against West Indies earlier this summer, and who returns in place of Pietersen after a century for England Lions against Australia A, who will bear the brunt of it.

Pietersen will now have to wait to see if he is selected in England's 15 for World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka next month. That squad has yet to be announced, but that deadline is fast approaching and if he was critical of the likes of Andrew Strauss, his captain, and Andy Flower, the director of cricket, as has been alleged, then after a disastrous week Pietersen still has an awful lot of apologising to do.

England's insistence that the game is bigger than the individual, central to their rise (however temporarily) to No 1 in all three formats of the game, has been impressed in the most rigorous manner imaginable. Pietersen's YouTube apology could hardly have been more clearly expressed, but even that video, published it seems without any prior warning to the ECB, seems to have gone down badly in high places.

Hugh Morris, managing director of England Cricket, said in a pre-prepared statement: "During the past week we have had several discussions with Kevin Pietersen and his advisers. Following a constructive meeting, it was agreed that a number of actions needed to be completed to re-engage Kevin within the England dressing room.

England squad for Lord's

  • Andrew Strauss, Alastair Cook, Jonathan Trott, Ian Bell, James Taylor, Jonny Bairstow, Matt Prior, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, James Anderson, Steven Finn, Graham Onions

"A fundamental item was to confirm publicly that no derogatory texts had been sent by Kevin to the South African team. This has not been forthcoming despite clear timelines being set to allow the selectors to pick the squad for the third Investec Test match.

"We provided an additional six hours this morning to provide every opportunity for agreement to be reached but regrettably this has not been possible.

"The success of the England team has been built on a unity of purpose and trust. Whilst we have made every attempt to find a solution to enable Kevin to be selected we have sadly had to conclude that, in the best interest of the team, he will miss the Lord's Test."

Morris later added on Sky Sports News that Morris, Strauss and Flower met Pietersen and his representatives on Friday evening, a meeting that Pietersen fondly imagined had solved the issues. "We had a fruitful discussion," Morris said. "We got on the table a number of different issues that Kevin alluded to at his press conference the previous Monday. We have been working through some of those issues."

Pietersen had attempted a career-saving video performance in keeping with his flamboyant on-field displays by unconditionally committing himself to play for England in all formats of the game and apologising for the media conference that led to speculation about dressing room rifts and his premature retirement.

"I want to commit to all forms of cricket for England because I love playing for England," Pietersen said. "I am wanting to play all three forms of cricket again for England: the ODIs against South Africa in a couple of weeks and the T20 World Cup if I am selected. I want to make myself available for every single format of cricket for England."

But after putting back their squad announcement by five hours, to 2.30pm, England's selectors announced a squad without Pietersen, seeking stability and what they deemed normal behaviour above all other considerations.

Pietersen may now be expected to serve his penance for Surrey in the final stages of the County Championship, a return to the roots of English first-class cricket for which he has rarely shown much affection, with the prospect that he will be considered for England's tour of India later this year if he proves himself in a fit state to tour.

It might be a boon for Surrey who, troubled by the tragic death of Tom Maynard and grief-stricken resignation from the captaincy of Rory Hamilton-Brown, are in danger of relegation. It will be a character test for Pietersen that he will not welcome.

"I've realised what is important to be," Pietersen said in his YouTube appearance. "I've realised I can be happy. I've realised how much I love playing for England. I've realised that the last three or four days would be a sad way to go after all the happiness I've enjoyed. I'd hate to leave playing for England and I'd hate to leave all the spectators and fans this way.

"I am fully committed and passionate about playing for England. I want to play for England. That is why I want to get back playing in all three formats of the game for England. I love doing what I do and I don't want to disappoint people.

But that realisation has not brought automatic forgiveness. As much as he said "I can't wait to play in Straussy's 100th Test next week" that is one century he will elude him. As for England, if they do manage to break South Africa's hold and claim the victory to level the series, never will the basics of team unity have been expressed more forcefully.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by baghels.a on (August 15, 2012, 21:46 GMT)

@ashes61, look i am sure for the Indo-ENG test series there will be a good turnout but a full house probably not,but let me assure you that Indians have great love for international cricket because it has 100 years of history to it but i woudn't agree that IPL is bad or evil at all. IPL has been like a boon for all those cricketers who can't make it to the national team,here they get good money plus a spot in limelight,chance for recognition and be applauded by thousand of spectators. You see in Football there is a tier based system where beneficiaries of a financial windfall are many,right now KP might be the only bonafide cricket star in England but if you take a glance at Football world there are dozens,if county cricket and first class scene in India would have been like those of soccer clubs no IPL would have been needed. Future of test cricket is safe in India although there might not be a full house every day but millions watching on TV and internet.Lastly good luck for Lord's

Posted by Harmony111 on (August 15, 2012, 12:34 GMT)

@JG2704: As I sad in my prev post, why should ECB demand an explanation at all? KP said something to someone using his personal mobile device over a private communication channel. Even if there is "something" in the contract forbidding stuff being leaked to outsiders tell me if the leakage has been done by KP? I guess no. Then how can ECB blame KP for something done by someone else? Even if KP had said something nasty in those messages ECB still don't have a locus standi on them, KP is a free man and can say anything. He can be blamed for slander/libel ONLY if he says something in public. Asking KP to show what he had actually said is flawed too. If I say you got a mole in your upper thigh right "there" then it doesn't mean that I can ask you to confirm this assertion of mine by taking your pants off in public. I got to prove it on my own, you as defendant have a right to refuse. CRICINFO, pls publish.

Posted by ashes61 on (August 15, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

Baghels.a@ What was "condescending" or "typical" of the "attitude" you perceived in my post? It was a follow-up to a couple of earlier ones wiith previous posters & should be read in conjunction with those, in which I explained my admiration & respect for India's role in the history & development of cricket. What I felt was that India has taken a disastrous path away from real cricket towards worshipping T20, which of course has a place (a very minor, informal one surely?) but should not be confused with the real thing. IND has long given many good things & people to the game but, let's face it, the IPL is hardly among them! If EVERY ground is full to the rafters for EACH day of the forthcoming IND-ENG Test series I shall be delighted to be proved wrong in my fears for the IND cricket scene. If not, you have a big job on yr hands re-educating the IPL generation, do you not? State of ENG soccer? Agree 100% with you! But cricket in ENG has ALWAYS struggled to command majority attention.

Posted by SuperSharky on (August 15, 2012, 6:50 GMT)

It's not the Saffers style to use propaganda to win a Test series, but they have learned the hard way from Steve Waugh and Shane Warne's Australia, how to manipulate the psychological edge through the media. If KP could have send those text messages earlier (before the 2nd Test) to Dale Steyn and AB De Villiers, then maybe this series would have been the Saffers series-win already.

Posted by baghels.a on (August 14, 2012, 20:07 GMT)

@ashes61,wow mate what a sermon "a generation spoon-fed on IPL ........typical condescending and patronising attitude. A generation spoon-fed on Premiership Football and more football,gutter tabaloids,junk reality TV stars and no world cups since 1966 cannot be expected to understand that real home of Cricket is in India with it's billion plus fans and commercial support it provides to the game. If the ECB and English media had after WW -II promoted and marketed the game to the masses then Cricket woudn't be lagging so far behind Football so much in England,like it or not you guys have ceded that space to India.instead of admonishing us for liking t-20 pls acept there cricket fans afterall.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 14, 2012, 17:15 GMT)

@Harmony111 on (August 14 2012, 09:42 AM GMT) KP was asked to confirm the content of those texts etc by ECB and the squad was announced 5 hours later than planned to give KP to respond. Unless I've missed something here KP has not responded either to plead his innocence , explain the content of those texts or (if they were out of order) apologise. They obviously wanted KP to give his version and he didn't and unless I've missed something he still hasn't said anything. Also who knows what were in those texts - there could be something in Eng players contracts which forbids certain stuff being leaked to outsiders etc. Until we know what was said in those texts then surely none of us are fit to judge whether ECB are right or wrong in what actions they have taken.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 14, 2012, 17:15 GMT)

@Cpt.Meanster on (August 14 2012, 00:30 AM GMT) Not so long back , you were saying that you couldn;'t care less about anything but IPL on one of these threads? PS re Olympics which I've not commented on , UK were amazing. Yes USA,Russia and China all trumped UK on medal count but when you look at the size/population differential we did extremely well indeed. Not that I or anyone on these boards had anything to do with that success

Posted by JG2704 on (August 14, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

@RodStark on (August 14 2012, 00:19 AM GMT) Have they not done what you said "ECB just to drop him from the test as a disciplinary measure and then let bygones be bygones" ? - No one really knows. I'm not sure why ECB has not published anything but maybe the texts are so vulgar they want to hear KP's side of events. All I know is that KP was given the chance to confirm/deny/explain the texts and so far has not done so , so unless I'm missing something isn't the ball still in his court?

Posted by JG2704 on (August 14, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

@anshu.s - You wrote "I am upset and shocked that my fellow Indians on this forum are supporting ECB and not KP" - I'll put my post another way. Could it not be that they think KP is in the wrong here? If someone thinks someone else is in the wrong must they agree with them just because they have done right in the past?Anyway KP was dropped over his post match behaviour (behind closed doors) and this was nothing to do with his criticising ECB for fixture overload etc. Also KP was never hauled up for saying about the fixture pile up etc. ECB said take it or leave it to him and KP chose to leave it and then change his mind. I'm sad England have dropped KP but can't back or criticise ECB because I don't know what KP has done/said to/about players/staff etc behind closed doors

Posted by ashes61 on (August 14, 2012, 16:01 GMT)

I watched the video but saw no apology at all. There was none. When asked why he had followed certain actions, he said "that's how I am." That's all. Can't help myself, as it were, always been that way. This man is over 30 with a family & has made many mistakes. But still he says just "that's the way I am." What about learning from one's mistakes? Maturity? Change for the better? Trying to improve as a person? If it didn't work before & caused so much trouble, how about changing? The immaturity is astonishing - so is the gauche belief that talking to "my fans" through the media is somehow a good idea. I fear for KP if he doesn't jettison some of his "advisers." Meanwhile, in the last 4 years his performances have fallen below those of Strauss, Cook, Trott, Bell & Prior. I've never seen a ball bowled in the IPL so I don't know how he gets on in that circus, but in Tests since 2008 he has - on the whole - been struggling badly. ENG lose nothing without him but will gain much.

Posted by kickittome70 on (August 14, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

KP is Englands best player in all formats - I'm sure if they recall him, he'll make a point of putting Englands opponents to his mighty sword

Posted by SuperKing.Cobra on (August 14, 2012, 12:34 GMT)

KP APOLOGISED on the video and then ECB drops him!!. How low does the ECB want KP to go?? Does ECB want to him to beg? KP just play IPL,BBL,etc and enjoy ECB and England doesn't deserve you anymore. England have used you well.

Cricket players are exploited by the boards. They work hard, love their game, treated poorly and paid less. Is this how you promote cricket???

Posted by   on (August 14, 2012, 12:17 GMT)

great bat but put to the sword at the hands of the MCC establishment, no wonder why they didnt want himn to be captain... rebels are not welcome. Does anyone remind of Gower vs Gooch episode

Posted by ashes61 on (August 14, 2012, 11:26 GMT)

India-Boy: Relax! I hope that my responses to Cpt.Meanster & Mankappan Hu will clarify my position, & also encourage you to read my post once more. I hope that in my first post - and certainly in my subsequent ones - it is seen that I carefully excluded genuine Indian cricket lovers, as I was referring primarily to millions of the young Indians (& it must be millions) who have come to cricket via their exposure to T20 in recent years - not a very sound grounding in the rudiments, varied character or enduring charm of the game. I'm sure you'll agree that some of the interjections here don't do much to suggest the poster has much of a grasp of the game itself, whether in Inida or elsewhere, now or in the past. You mention the fantastic Kolkata Test of 2001 which I remember well. It enthralled me. Since those days, I fear Indian cricket - then right on track, apart perhaps from an overly high attraction to ODIs - has taken a disastrously wrong turning. Hope I'm wrong!

Posted by   on (August 14, 2012, 10:20 GMT)

England drop their 4th best batsman - over the last 3 years Cook, Trott and Bell have averaged higher and scored more centuries in tests. It's not going to impact the team as much as KP likes to think.

Posted by Sushrutdhakal on (August 14, 2012, 10:09 GMT)

I think ECB has forgot the saying "Innocent until proven guilty". ECB has not yet proved that KP had sent the said 'derogatory Text message'. It would be shame to see CKP not playing T20 WC

Posted by Sushrutdhakal on (August 14, 2012, 10:06 GMT)

I don't think KP has shown lack of commitment in the field while playing for England. Players should be selected on basis of merit rather than on off field personal issues. However, I would not say that KP has taken right step to handle the situation

Posted by   on (August 14, 2012, 9:57 GMT)

Kevin Pietersen has effectively been suspended by his employer ECB.The normal employment rules apply that where misconduct is suspected an employee can be suspended and disciplined if found "guilty" .In this case Pietersen was not able to explain his actions.ECB must set up a disciplinary hearing to determine the sanction ie suspension or fine or both.They can't suspend him for ever for a relatively minor misconduct and possibly first offence (perhaps the Nick Knight issue was first offence!)Alternatively Pietersen can lodge a grievance against ECB as the sanction is unreasonable.In any event ECB must consider offering work place mediation and counseling to improve the relationship and re- integrate Pietersen back into the England team.

Posted by Harmony111 on (August 14, 2012, 9:42 GMT)

This is shocking. AFAIK, KP sent some sms's to his SA friends and talked about a few things. KP had retired from ODIs and T20s but he has taken that decision back but Eng have dropped him for some sms's !!! Firstly, KP can say anything about anyone to anyone and ECB should not have a problem with that. On top of that he did that via a private comm channel. And ultimately, the actual text of the sms is not clear, there are merely some allegations. In a mockery of established law, the English Board puts the onus on KP to prove that the text of those sms's was NOT derogatory. The burden of proof lies on ECB, the plaintiff and not on KP the Defendant. Anyways, how can my company fire me for criticizing my boss with my friends sitting in my room? It looks to me ECB is merely looking for excuses to force KP out due to his past misdemeanors. KP may have done a few things regrettable in the past but each event should be seen in isolation. SAD that Eng fired their only quasi-great batsman :(

Posted by ashes61 on (August 14, 2012, 9:03 GMT)

Mankappan Hu: You'll see from my response to Cpt.Meanster (assuming it's published) that he wasn't "wasting his precious time and effort" at all in responding in such a measured and reasonable tone to my earlier post. I 've the greatest respect & admiration for Indian cricket and its history, as have many, many English cricket followers. What I find very sad are the recent developments in IND cricket, and am even sadder to realise that there are those who think these have benefited IND cricket on the whole, whereas the converse is patently true. A generation spoon-fed on IPL, money, glitz, mercenaries & even World Cups cannot be expected to understand more than a tiny portion of what there is to appreciate about this great game. Regarding KP: well, as an ENG follower, I've always hoped KP will succeed when batting. The last 4 years have been VERY disappointing. His contribution to ENG's rapid rise since 2009 was negligible & he must have been very close to being dropped on form.

Posted by DINESHCC on (August 14, 2012, 8:52 GMT)

RAHULCRICKET007: Right now India needs lethal bowlers and not batsmen. You can find 100s of KP like batsmen even in the bottom ranked J & K Ranji Team.

Posted by ashes61 on (August 14, 2012, 8:44 GMT)

Cpt.Meanster: Thanks for responding. If you re-read my post, however, you'll see that I very carefully & deliberately wrote "some of the posts" (not "ALL") and "many of whom" (again, not "ALL"). I agree entirely that IND has long had a strong love of the game which has manifested itself in a deep understanding of it too. I'm fully aware that many long established skills admired for generations worldwide were originally introduced by Indians. IND's place in the history of cricket is secure.I was referring not to genuine cricket lovers but to those whose experience seems not yet to have extended further than T20, of which there must be many millions at the moment. Until their knowledge grows their ability to comment meaningfully is restricted. Hence the inane soundbites which appear here in huge numbers. Are you sure the IND Test team has "always been strong"? Between Independence and, say, the mid-70s? (India was the first country to tour here after WW2 - 1946. Still "All India" then).

Posted by   on (August 14, 2012, 7:36 GMT)

England have dropped the only player who saved them from a series loss in the previous game.. well played .. imagine if India dropped Sehwag if he'd cracked a match saving century in the previous game .. haha

Posted by India_boy on (August 14, 2012, 7:19 GMT)

@ashes61...Introduced to proper cricket via T20??? i mean seriously ? you mean we had no interest in cricket after India scored 406/4 to chase against the mighty WI in 70s? or when Gavaskar scored the most no. of centuries and the no. of runs? or when India became the 2nd team to win the WC in 1983 and the inaugural "champion of champions", you mean not even when Kapil Dev set the WR for most no. of wickets? or most of all when Sachin broke past all almost all known cricketing barriers? or after the Kolkata test against Aus in 2001? none of these thing pulled us into cricket but a couple of sixes off Raina or MSD's bat did....superb cricket acumen you have brother :)

Posted by   on (August 14, 2012, 3:03 GMT)

@capt.meanster you wasted your precious time and effort replying to ashes61.see this statement about KP's batting:' He has looked like a walking wicket for 4 years, technique awry, all nerves & fluster' and he says he follows'proper cricket'!!!!!but i agree with him about Peerson's omission.that was the right step for sure...

Posted by Kunal-Talgeri on (August 14, 2012, 1:21 GMT)

KP's behaviour has all the trappings of somebody who has been isolated in the team. Note to Jimmy Anderson, Graeme Swann & Co.: you have gotten too big for your shoes. I can't wait for next year's Ashes to put your team in perspective. As a fan, I have scant regard for team ethic in sport anymore. A sound "team" can sacrifice talent like Andrew Symonds and Kevin Pietersen. And coaches can use numbers (of ordinary cricketers) in a dressing room to oust the outlier -- just to have their way.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (August 14, 2012, 0:39 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: As a Britisher I am sure you have every right to feel good about your country's Olympics performances. But you must remember that the United States, China, and Russia were all ahead of your country in terms of medal counts and victories. If you pointed your fingers at countries like India, SA, Australia and so forth then yes, Britain/England is way ahead in that regards. Also, you forgot that England is NOT that good while playing test/ODI cricket in the sub continent. So it's trivial to even claim they are so far ahead of other countries. Perhaps that statement would hold true only while England plays at home. Cause away from home, they are poor. Of course as always, there is the possibility to improve upon that.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (August 14, 2012, 0:30 GMT)

@ashes61: Friend, I wish to correct you on a couple of things. You seem to have a wrong perception about 'ALL' Indian cricket fans. First correction: India have been playing 'proper' cricket since the beginning of the 20th century after being introduced to the game by Britain during colonial times. After independence in 1947, India became a completely professional team by touring and hosting other nations. India have always had an above average test team. Second correction: Please do not assume all of us have come to the game via T20 obsession, that's not true. India do love their ODIs and T20s more than test cricket but that doesn't mean test cricket is ignored. I didn't wish to cross you by this reply but a lot of people simply 'do not get it' when it comes to India and its passion for the sport of cricket.

Posted by RodStark on (August 14, 2012, 0:19 GMT)

This is so ridiculous. As far as I can tell, no one knows what was said in these text messages. What does "derogatory" mean here? Does the ECB actually KNOW what was said? Were they so bad that KP can't just publish them and apologize? How do they compare to the Twitter account? Was KP perhaps just trying to be funny? If we're not going to find out, then the most graceful thing would have been for the ECB just to drop him from the test as a disciplinary measure and then let bygones be bygones. Even though I'm an England supporter, we just seem to love soap opera, pettiness, and mediocrity. I can't imagine any other team handling it this badly.

Posted by kallis57 on (August 13, 2012, 23:39 GMT)

In 2012 KP has the most runs at the best average for England. In our 2 best performances this year the win in Colombo and our draw with South Africa last week guess who was our stand out player? Yep Pietersen. If we are looking to me a middle of the road New Zealand type team then pick a Miss Congeniality Eleven. You want to be the best team in the world - Pick your best team and manage it properly.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 23:24 GMT)

completely out of topic, but just because FRONT FOOT LUNGE's comment " bar South Africa,(rest of the teams) are so far behind them not even the supporters of those other teams can begin to claim otherwise." was too juicy to let it be. I'm sure Sri Lanka and Pakistan may have something to say about ENG's no1 claim. As will India come december. Not saying that any one of these teams deserve to be no 1. I will accept your statement with the rider" while not playing in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, UAE and India."

Posted by straight_drive4 on (August 13, 2012, 22:53 GMT)

@JG2704 - what UAE series? can you remind me what happened? ill be waiting for 5 wombats when he gets back...

Posted by ashes61 on (August 13, 2012, 21:50 GMT)

I can just about understand some of the posts by our IND friends, many of whom have clearly come to cricket only in recent years via the T20 level of the game. Eventually they will - hopefully - appreciate proper cricket. But I'm at a loss to understand how any ENG follower could even begin to contemplate Pietersen ever wearing an ENG cap again. Even if he WAS a genius (which he most certainy isn't) or a great cricketer (definitely not one of the "greats") it would make no difference at all. He is a member of a TEAM, just as he was in KZN, Notts & Hants. What happened there has eventually - and inevitably - happened with ENG. Not for the first time, either. The team is what matters. I'd much rather watch Cook, Strauss, Bell & Prior any day of the week. The chances of a big innings from them are higher, & who plays more attractively & unselfishly than Bell or Prior? KP? I don't think so!!! He has looked like a walking wicket for 4 years, technique awry, all nerves & fluster. BYE!

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

@AKS286 on (August 13 2012, 17:16 PM GMT) I knew one day you'd post something I agreed with

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

@Barry Glynn on (August 13 2012, 19:14 PM GMT) Spot on there. Flower was trying to make a moral statement - nothing to do with money or anything. Was it Olonga who had to go into hiding because of his stance?

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 21:17 GMT)

@landl47 on (August 13 2012, 16:49 PM GMT) Hello , yes I responded to that with a thumbs up - although preferring KP to be included - but as he's not Woakes would have been ideal for sure. JB looked vulnerable against the short ball and I find it hard to believe that this fault has been corrected in such a short space of time. If they play 6/1/4 (as they rigidly will) my 4 would probably be Jimmy,Broad,Swann and either Finn or Onions.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 21:14 GMT)

@AKS286 on (August 13 2012, 17:16 PM GMT) I knew one day you'd post something I agreed with

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 21:13 GMT)

@Barry Glynn on (August 13 2012, 19:14 PM GMT) Spot on there. Flower was trying to make a moral statement - nothing to do with money or anything. Was it Olonga who had to go into hiding because of his stance?

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 21:13 GMT)

@landl47 on (August 13 2012, 16:49 PM GMT) Hello , yes I responded to that with a thumbs up - although preferring KP to be included - but as he's not Woakes would have been ideal for sure. JB looked vulnerable against the short ball and I find it hard to believe that this fault has been corrected in such a short space of time. If they play 6/1/4 (as they rigidly will) my 4 would probably be Jimmy,Broad,Swann and either Finn or Onions.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (August 13, 2012, 21:04 GMT)

Having triumphed at the Olympics and showed the other members of the cricketing world just who have the superior sportsmen and women, England have realised over the last year that being the best brings out a lot of jealousy in others, those who you have previously vanquished. And it's been a joy to behold for those that understand the rage that sometimes materializes among the beaten. England have had a tough few months, but sleep soundly in the knowledge that the rest of the world bar South Africa are so far behind them not even the supporters of those other teams can begin to claim otherwise.

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (August 13, 2012, 20:53 GMT)

I think KP just wants to be the headline in the on going series between ENG And SA. What a joke this has become. Can't the ECB say 'no ENGLISH players in IPL' and be done with it. If anyone still choses IPL then he should be banished from the team. Note that India is not sending any of our players to BPL or SLPL etc....Country should always come first...No question abt that.

Posted by ionic on (August 13, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

KP (and England) deserve each other. The South Africans must be laughing their heads off at this circus.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 19:14 GMT)

Comparing KP's situation to Andy Flower's playing days in Zimba is ridiculous. To say the rest of the current England side to Flowers team mates just shows a crass cricket ignorance. KP has been looked after incredibly well by English county and Test cricket. He just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut or how to shut it. He is a great player but could do withndome decent management that do more than cowtail to him and push him for more money through the IPL Micky mouse cricket.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 18:46 GMT)

Come back to SA KP, so we can drop you!

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 18:22 GMT)

This KP story is not good news for the Proteas. You can bet your bottom dollar that Eng players will now perform out of their skins in Lords' test. They will hurt and be beefed up by Eng successes in the Olympic Games. At the same time, Proteas may think that they just have to turn up to win. That will be an enormous mistake. My prediction is that it would be a hard fought game. Despite SA's good record at Lords', this is a difficult ground for foreign teams. Anything can happen in test cricket. One bad session for any team and its all over. None of us know what the pitch would really be like following the Olympic events there. The fact that Eng has selected only one spinner suggests that they have not asked for a dry spinning pitch. I suspect that a green mamba would be more likely. Desperate men make desperate jumps. Does anybody actually know what the state of the pitch is? By the way: Can KP also tell us who the Eng team member(s) is/are who send anonymous twitters about him.

Posted by bobmartin on (August 13, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

All you peeople blaming this impasse on the ECB's ego should think on this.. If it wasn't for the massive ego of Pietersen none of this would have happened in the first place.. Simple as that...

Posted by AKS286 on (August 13, 2012, 17:16 GMT)

i think the caps lock king is kid and don't know what to say.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (August 13, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

unless unproven? what non-sence is this ?

should the ECB not have to prove that KP did inf act send the texts before they are allowed to take action against him ?

this is the second illegal action by the ECB against KP in a month ....

KP should contact a lawyer .... after winning the court case he should demand the resignation of all ECB members involved ...

The WICB has not renewed Hillare's contract and CG is finally back in the WI team .....

Posted by landl47 on (August 13, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

@JG2704: you'll remember in an earlier thread that I suggested England's lineup should be Strauss, Cook, Trott, Bell, Taylor, Prior, Woakes, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn. Woakes is in fine form with the bat at the moment (two centuries and a 90 in his last four first-class games) and he adds the extra bowler, which I think you agree England needs. Bresnan isn't a strong enough bat to be a #7 and to have two 22-year olds, however talented, at 5 and 6, is too much pressure. Having said that, I hope they both have good games; they're both going to be fine test players.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

Despite the attempted diversionary tactics (change the agenda etc.), the right decision has been made. If the text stories are true, in gthe real world you can't slag off your line manager(Strauss) and his Director (Flower) in public and expect to get away with it. After the Moores incident, KP has been on a warning anyway. Now, like Boycott he'll have to spend some time in the wilderness. Great batsman but flawed, like many before him. A clever person will learn from it and come back contrite having forced his way back into the side with 1st class runs. Unfortunately I guess the international dollar, and the (doubtless) advisors will gain sway and this will rumble on for a while. Good luck to England in their cricket and to KP in his rehabilitation.

Posted by pmuponda on (August 13, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

Look who is talking now. Andy Folwer of all the people. Look at his playing days and all the problems that he caused for Zimbabwean cricket. He should have been the one to understand what it is to be a superstar in a team of midiocare preformers. Good for SA only have a top 4 and a noumber 7 to worry about. Taylor and Jonny are gifted wickets.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 16:08 GMT)

SO basically the board has told him to disprove claims that he texted South Africa? How do you disprove something you didn't do? (assuming he didn't do it) shouldn't the board have to prove it to the public that in deed he did do it??? if it was India and one of their super stars it would have been "We cannot prove as yet and until we have solid evidence we have decided not to take action against the individual (like Rahul Sharma for example) and therefore the individual is selected until proven guilty... and low and behold if proven guilty it will happen during a 2-3 week period India play no matches or no important matches and the player will be suspended during that un-important time.

ECB please grow a back bone and support your players no matter what, if SA have proof tell them to publicly display his texts. If they do display it publicly say "it was taken out of context". If an employee is hung out to dry every time something happens lawyers and politicians would not exist!!!

Posted by adm21 on (August 13, 2012, 15:09 GMT)

Looking at any period between the last 1 to 6 years for England will show Cook has the most runs, 100s and 50s, so it is false to say Pietersen is England's only match winner. Even this ignores the fact that the biggest factor in England victories has been that the bowling attack has pretty much guaranteed getting 20 wickets per test.

Posted by Joshima on (August 13, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

Looks like the ECB is competing fiercely with the WICB for the highest level of Stupidity award? Don't they know the play right into the hands of SA. There must be someone from the SA team reveal the text message to the ECB so they can get rid of KP.

Posted by Lovedegame on (August 13, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

They shouldn't even come on to the field , you cannot drop KP an expect to win, ludicrous, i mean there are some huge Egos in the ECB and the team, you wont win much at this rate

Posted by JBerger on (August 13, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

@ ragebe: Wao, "Take his passport off him and deport him", while Freddie could live happily ever-after with all his money & early retirement. You can't be much more bigot & hypocritical as Englishman(only if you are one).

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (August 13, 2012, 14:57 GMT)


Posted by Fan1969 on (August 13, 2012, 14:33 GMT)

Some forecasts as I see.

1. 3rd Test: England lose to SA by a large margin.

2. ECB will not admit that as a parent they should have forgiven an errant kid, KP. KP expects to be called back but....

3. ECB dismiss KP forever as ECB officials are not managing a team but pandering to massive egos. KP is missed but ECB announce T20 team and future England teams without KP.

4. England come to India lose the Test series and drop to 5th in Test rankings. A new epitaph will emerge for England - similar to "Ashes".

5. Some fans were comparing this English TEST team to the all time great WI, Aussie teams. They are deeply disappointed and stop watching TEST cricket for a while.

6. We have long discussions on why TEST cricket is dying and nicely blame IPL.

7. More English players express desire to play in IPL - Feb/Mar 2013 similar to Michael Clarke.

8. IPL grows and grows and while one more nail is in TEST crickets coffin.


Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

May be SA will welcome him back and play against England in their next series

Posted by heathrf1974 on (August 13, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

If he did this he gave England no choice and all the blame lies at Pietersen.

Posted by kensohatter on (August 13, 2012, 14:26 GMT)

Seriously its disgusting how many people think KPs stats entitle him to behave like a friggin child. Does the public just expect that once you get your average over a certain number that you are somehow exempt for acting like an adult? An extreme example of this in the real world be if someone pays x amount of tax they can assualt people without charge! KP is ripping what is for once a decent english side apart from the inside. I actually like the look of Taylor and Bairstow in the middle although I think England should wedge Bell in at 5 and play Taylor at 4.

Posted by StaalBurgher on (August 13, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

I see people are going over the top again. Dropping one batsman does not mean England WILL lose. Statistically they are now less likely but chances were anyway that KP would not have scored another century in the 3rd Test. Funny how everyone is assuming that he would've. Still, can't feel sorry for England if they lose one of their imports. I feel for KP despite silly things like these messages, there would never have been a big issue about KP's contract negotiations if the ECB employees could just keep their traps shut and not leak everything to the media. And having arrogant brats like Sally Broad must make it even harder to play in a team like that. If I was in KPs position I would probably get into the same amount of trouble. England suffers from liberal tyranny politically, socially and obviously in sport. There is ideology you must agree with or they try to ostracize you. All this KP drama is just a symptom of a more serious problem that affects English society as a whole.

Posted by glance_to_leg on (August 13, 2012, 14:12 GMT)

I think this is an excellent decision from the England management. KP has to be brought to heel. You cannot have a player undermining his own captain to the opposition. KP has been arrogant, overweening, contemptuous towards his peers (ok, he is peerless, but to his fellow team members). He has now cravenly sought to get back into the good books of the management, and they have demonstrated that he needs to show more maturity (he is 32 for goodness sake), and to learn to contain his monstrous ego. I suspect, of course, that his problem is mostly stupidity rather than malice. Moreover, while it is a great loss to the England in the next test match, it is important for the future that the message is sent that no player is bigger than the team. Gayle has been taught a lesson; now let's hope KP learns it too. I'd rather see. Bell, Strauss, Prior and Cook fail to make sufficient runs to win, than England save the series, and store up problems for the future. Well done Flower.

Posted by rahulcricket007 on (August 13, 2012, 13:59 GMT)


Posted by vj3478 on (August 13, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

"game is bigger than the individual" - what game are we talking abt.. is it abt following the rules set by some 'X - the board member' who doesn't understand that KP is not interested in ODI's and likes 20-20/IPL.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 13:47 GMT)

I have already told it Kevin now a days so much confused it is better he should consult with Psychologist.

Posted by couchpundit on (August 13, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

Hardcore Zimbabwean Cricketer Director(who has a different scale for english born players and different scale for non-english players) of England and a Jealous English Captain is upset about KP's allegiance to play cricket for England?

and they find clever way to keep KP out of English team...nice tale.

Will wait and see how it ends. Good or Evil?

@dogcatcher...i am no fan of sachin...but cant compare him and his character to KP.. You can not question sachin on anything except his retirement timing which we are expecting for a long time now.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (August 13, 2012, 13:43 GMT)

KP dropped because of texts ? but Strauss and Prior are not dropped because of twitter ? and Strauss and others are A.O.K after childish bullying in the dressing room ?

KP is being dragged though the mud, but the entire England Cricket team and the ECB are bringing England into disrepute buy acting in a manner that is more associated with ignorant colonial !

Posted by Jonathan_E on (August 13, 2012, 13:30 GMT)

No cricketer of today has a right to complain about their "workload". In previous decades people played MORE - and got injured less, too.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 13:22 GMT)

Now that's like a Cake walk for SA in third test without the best man in the team. ECB needs to grow up. What wrong did KP do? He was asking to sort out his issues. Come on guys, who on earth does not go for the money. What do the software guys do? Don't they jump for Monterrey benefits for another company. One KP = 11 English Men on the Field. Waiting for SA to thrash out the English in the last test. KP you are always welcome in IPL. Cricket Lovers Can't hate people like you. KP is one such rare diamond .

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 13:16 GMT)

What brilliant Strategy by SA- I mean- who called this a gentlemans game- eh?

Posted by Lord.emsworth on (August 13, 2012, 13:10 GMT)

'Dogcatcher' sums it all best so far!

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 13:10 GMT)

silly.......for KP and ENGLAND's concerned management......if team and country are bigger than individual, then the interest of the team n England cannot be reserved without KP.......KP is not an individual..management sd understand that.

Posted by anshu.s on (August 13, 2012, 13:08 GMT)

@ JG2704, Mate it is not the question of any IPL bias i was just stating that i was peeved by the condescending attitude of some of my countrymen.I am not that big fan of KP either and it dosen't bother me weather he plays IPL or not. Premiership football will be starting in your neck of the woods next week and many fans/players/coaches have questioned the logic of having a international friendly on 15th because they think it is a meaningless fixture,now why are these people never hauled up for there patriotic credentials ?? i watched the recent London games and cheered India wildly because that i consider a true honour and not some meaningless Indo-SL series which is happening with the frequency of a soap opera on TV .Coming back to topic yes KP has transgressed but what about ECB and some English cricketers who are jealous of his celebrity status.If ECB had been so proactive about promoting Cricket perhaps it would not be lagging so far behind Football in popularity in England.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 13:03 GMT)

england losing 2-0 for sure

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (August 13, 2012, 13:02 GMT)

sa will thrash eng next match.eng without kp=scotland.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 13:02 GMT)

this is pathetic, this is terrible. peiterson is the reason for england's success . he is one of the two players who you can pay and watch their cricket ( the otherone is Bell) .

Posted by VivtheGreatest on (August 13, 2012, 12:55 GMT)

For such a brilliant cricketer Pietersen appears to be totally brainless at times. Did he really think the South Africans wouldnt leak the fact of his texts?!! Im a great fan of Pietersen but if hes really done such a thing he desrves to be dropped. U cant such disparage ur teammaates to the opposition no matter what ur grievances

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 12:46 GMT)

Enough is enough,he has done his appologizing and not that he needs England,but England needs him right now,

It's a sad story and i am sure that alot of Cricket fans all around the World is going to miss this great player and i hope that he would be in the T20 world cup in Sri Lanka.

He was quite honest and he said that the money was important too and he has a young family to maintain and when it comes to sportsmen they have a dead line,unlike normal people who have jobs and where they have a retirement age and a pension there after........so i think we should put this Kp issue behind us and only feel sorry for the actual cricket lovers who would miss him.

Posted by dogcatcher on (August 13, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

To those: "the game is bigger than the individual",for a sec stop & be logical. Yes the game continues. However in the world of sport life is about superstars. Fact KP (as much as I dislike him) is a superstar. He delivers and his stats , IPL wage,the fact people go watch him (just him not England),write about him & that we are all going on about him here testifies to that. Without superstars (some call them idols - insert Sachin here) the game becomes a dull parade and boring business pursuit. Superstars inspire youngsters and others to talk about them or aspire to be them. When youngsters play in the backyard they don't say I want to be the England team - most say I want to be Sachin, Steyn etc not Flower or Strauss I bet! Superstars have frailties - some are forgiven - Botham, Flintoff others not. Teams are made up of individuals. Managing individuals dictates the success of a team. Individuals need the game and the game & lets be honest needs them! We don't need boring drones.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 12:41 GMT)

For me, that's the end of him.

He's WAY over the line of what's acceptable in a team player. He's acting more like a footballer, which is why the Board have done so well in moving decisively: this isn't football, and it's not going to get like football.

Posted by Harlequin. on (August 13, 2012, 12:02 GMT)

coarsecricketer - very nice!! My thoughts: it will be interesting if England are galvanised by this fiasco and go on to win the test, it will make Pietersens position a lot weaker and Englands selection policy in recent years has been that of consistency, so he may find it difficult to get back in if England keep winning without him. (Big if atm I know!) Personally, I don't think he plays enough good innings to be made into the special case he wants to be.

Posted by Fan1969 on (August 13, 2012, 11:48 GMT)

Keeping Gayle and now KP out of national sides is criminal to all fans of TEST Cricket. Boards cry about absence of spectators in tests and then allow second string players to play for the national side.

IPL and other T20 tournaments will now find it easier to kill Test cricket with such egoistic and short sighted officials. Instead of 2 months we could soon have 4 months of IPL annually if more players like KP/Gayle are kept out of national sides.

IPL is anyway more fun than watching NZ/WI getting smashed by England/Australia during IPL.

Probably ECB wants England to start matching NZ by May 2013 so decided to ease out KP. Swann dropped for last match! More to come....as more SA/Irish players dropped.

Keep reading as England chases NZ in Test ratings.

KP will play T20 while inept 22 year olds will play TEST Cricket.

Long live TEST cricket!

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

KP has always had a bloated opinion of his own self importance. On saying that, the ECB once again have shown their ineptitude in dealing with the matter. It's normally footballers who believe their own hype and celebrity status as actually being important but KP puts himself in the same bracket. A lesson could be learned by the Athletes who have shown how to conduct themselves in defeat and victory. KP is a great player, possibly not as great as he thinks. We will never know the absolute truth but no one can or should be above the team. Let the IPL have him, thats what's caused all of this plus KP, his inflated ego and the Ecb's normal ineptitude.

Posted by jezzastyles on (August 13, 2012, 11:43 GMT)

@Hammond - yep, at least now the ENG fans will be spared some of the rubbish pertaining to imports and so on. A "courageous" decision by the ECB - they've put the long-term integrity of the team before the short-term fallout when they probably lose at Lords (barring a draw via the rain). If ENG somehow win the final test, they deserve every bit of praise imaginable, because with a leadup like this, SA are well & truly in the box seat. @RednWhiteArmy - those naysayers who doubt ENG can win don't know anything about cricket, puhlease!! What a pile of manure - ENG do have a chance of winning (I think a draw is the most realistic hope for them), as any team does in a 2-horse race, but I wouldn't be putting my hard-earned on ENG. KP was by far & away your best player in the last test, the one before that was a defeat of epic proportions, SA preperation is spot-on, whilst ENG dressing room must be in tatters. Swann carrying an injury?? C'mon, you've got to be serious underdogs in this one.

Posted by satish619chandar on (August 13, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

@gerrardl : Well said.. this is what i was feeling exactly.. ECB's action on KP is not bad one but why show hard face only to KP and leave out the other guys.. What about KP's concern over dressing room issues.. Nothing was done on his allegations.. And all, ECB says "Equal for all" rule.. Rather funny..

Posted by Wefinishthis on (August 13, 2012, 11:29 GMT)

For England's sake, they had better hope they don't start making excuses for losing their no.1 ranking even before the first ball is bowled. KP will be missed but he isn't as important to the batting order as Cook and Trott. Whether he had played or not, SA are still favourites for the no.1 so I doubt he would have made a huge difference anyway. Few batsmen can stand up to Philander/Steyn, the new Akram/Younis.

Posted by varun2385 on (August 13, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

Brillant example set up ECB, nobody is above the law irrespective of how much a greater players one is . But doing this ECB has stated that discipline is above a victory. I wish now that england wins the test and shut KP mouth. Common England.

Posted by madras_boy on (August 13, 2012, 11:18 GMT)

Can anyone clarify whether he can play for South Africa ?

Posted by Newlandsfaithful on (August 13, 2012, 11:15 GMT)

I bet if KP was to join the SA team, say replace Jacques Rudolph (sorry Jacques) it would work out quite well, especially seeming his bowling form seems to have picked up too. I reckon Gary could calm KP down and deal with all his gremlins and help him develop his full potential as a cricketer... so if England want to ditch him and the fans want to rubbish him... well I'd welcome him back to the SA fold, anytime.

Posted by madras_boy on (August 13, 2012, 11:15 GMT)

Hahaha.... ECB needs an excuse for loosing the No.1 test status and this is it !!! Look at the news after the third test... ECB will comment that they lost the status due to the dressing room controversies... Comeon ECB, come to real terms with your players and accept IPL...

Posted by gerrardl on (August 13, 2012, 10:58 GMT)

What an absolute joke! Best batsman in the team left out for petty, childish things. Easy to put the blame fully on KP on this one, but I don't think that's right. Don't think the Eng boys ever truely made an effort with KP, yea he alienated himself to a certain extent, but after Swann's autobiography slamming his captaincy, James Anderson further slamming him in his newspaper articles, it's not surprising he's felt on his own in the dressing room. Don't think this is all his fault.

England's only match winner left out of the biggest test in years, absolute joke.

Posted by naveenpnayak on (August 13, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

The Indian Supporters who are backing KP for his nondisciplinary behavior are the biggest fools.. its not the ques about KP.. Every player has to maintain a dignity and show pride towards his country. England Board has taken the right decision.. They can still go ahead and ban Pieterson from playing cricket for England

Posted by Ross_Co on (August 13, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

@coarsecricketer - superb stuff, really excellent. Pity you won't be around long enough to enjoy your cleverness - a crack Saffa hit squad is en route.

Posted by wasimahm on (August 13, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

England aren't worth a pie without KP.They are just half a side without him.And look who gets in..........Jonny Bairstow.Looks like they've decided to gift the series to SA.

Posted by ravikiran.bits on (August 13, 2012, 10:47 GMT)

DownFall of england starts from here.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 10:46 GMT)

great news for the south african attack as they now have two less batsmen to get out cause losing the KP factor for the english is like losing their two batsman, at the same time, hopefully they also make the same mistake they made last time, that of leaving out swann

Posted by Nutcutlet on (August 13, 2012, 10:45 GMT)

@coarsecricketer: Brilliant! Loved it ;) !

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 10:36 GMT)

When would great sportsmen understand the game is bigger than them, the game was there before them and it will remain after them. It the game made them who are what they are and because they are making millions from the game no one can tell them nothing, it's they way or no way...when will they learn, they cannot pick and chose when and witch game they gonna play, how will you have a settle team.

Posted by gracegift on (August 13, 2012, 10:31 GMT)

Gutsy call by the Board. Not only a message to KP but also to other players. You can't pick and choose series. You can't compromise your team-mates to your opposition. Let's see now whether the team needs KP or KP needs the Team.

Posted by Knowledge_Speaks on (August 13, 2012, 10:27 GMT)

KP will become next Saurav Gangully...!

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 10:26 GMT)

KP Just go & play IPL .. ECB Is jealous of u and iPL now.

Posted by coarsecricketer on (August 13, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

So: at long last it can be revealed. A top-secret plan hatched decades ago within the innermost circles of Cricket South Africa. Known to a few on the executive as 'Operation Capey', but by the code-name 'KayPee' to only the very top echelon. The plan: to implant a double-agent, a mole, a 'sleeper' if you will, deep in the heart of the opposing cricket establishment. Confuse the enemy by shielding him behind other harmless operatives - Strauss, Trott, Prior, Kieswetter et al. Then, when the time is absolutely ripe - on the very eve of the match that will determine the World's No. 1 Test ranking - activate him, stand back and watch. Some say the code-words for activation were 'The Sleeper Will Awaken'. But an impeccable source has now revealed that the words were in fact the meaningless combination 'Eye Pee Ell'.

Posted by Ross_Co on (August 13, 2012, 10:10 GMT)

@Julie Gould - who is this 'we' you're talking about? Pietersen was never part of the 'we', just some guy who couldn't easily get a game for his home country. Not English, never was, never will be. England disqualified itself in the eyes of true cricket fans everywhere through playing people like him & Trott. Win some games with a team made up solely with players who came up through the England cricket set-up & you might find you get some actual respect. That's worth more than being the official Number 1. Hats off the the ECB although I dare say they'll squib sooner or later & it'll be back to the same old malaise.

Posted by rafhuss on (August 13, 2012, 10:08 GMT)

KP don't know how much distraction England will get ahead of 3rd test. he should have been silenced until the end of 3rd test. this is demoralizing act. he should be punished for his own good. England needs KP but KP needs to obey rules first. I have seen great players being dropped for the sake of discipline. Come on team England. Fight for good will with spirit.....

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 9:55 GMT)

So far as I see it, this is the KP story. He scores a century that prevents concession of a 100+ lead (In fact, thanks to his century, SA were trailing for a bit). He takes out the top of South Africa's batting order (maybe even 'inspired' Broad a bit). After that, he asks for some time off from Test cricket, for a Test series NEXT year, so that he can earn some money, rather than play a second string bottom placed team, and his private request to the ECB is made public. When the ECB find out that many are still supporting him, they find some unproven rumour about some private text messages that South Africa conveniently got, and asked KP to prove that it was he who sent those texts. All this, so that they could come up with a reason to keep a free-thinker like KP out of the team. Brings to mind a certain Renaissance Italian chap named Galileo, doesn't it?

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (August 13, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

NO:1 test team will be no:1 losers soon!

Posted by JBerger on (August 13, 2012, 9:34 GMT)

The Old Grand Masters do not let the leash loose even a millimeter. KP should not apologize as a private conversation is meant to be private, not for the administration to manipulate in any way.

Posted by KricketWicket on (August 13, 2012, 9:34 GMT)

To - @IndiaNumeroUno - I don't think even KP knows the answer to that question.

Posted by sonicattack on (August 13, 2012, 9:34 GMT)

@RandyOz - can't believe that you didn't mention Swann in your comments!

Posted by ragebe on (August 13, 2012, 9:33 GMT)

Ah, anyone recall a certain 'Freddie' Flintoff? Retired early to make heaps of dough from being a 'personality' shades of AF in KP. Good riddance, this No. 1 ranking malarkey is just a load of old tosh and totally irrelevant (unless it means more money for the ECB?) all that matters is the game on the day and how it's played, stats and suchlike are for geeks and their ilk - and we all know how important it is to take the mick out of geeks, eh? -

Take his passport off him and deport him, let him weasel amongst the money-grubbers in the IPL, if that's all that matters to him and his advisers.

Posted by bluebillion on (August 13, 2012, 9:31 GMT)

If no clarity comes from KP over the texts, then it will be double standards by the ECB to ever pick him again. His England career should effectively be considered as finished if he doesnt a) declare that he didnt send the said texts or b) admits that he did and apologises for it

Posted by biggyd on (August 13, 2012, 9:24 GMT)

england without kp = one big oval

Posted by Hammond on (August 13, 2012, 9:20 GMT)

The other thing I find amusing is that after all the months/years of criticising England for "poaching" South Africans, they drop one and play a fair dinkum "Englishman" and now everyone is saying that the ECB is crazy. They can't win when it comes to these type of moronic cricket followers.

Posted by Hammond on (August 13, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

It just shows that England (unlike most teams in world cricket) take the integrity of the side seriously. Win or lose at Lords they have shown to the world that loyalty to the team is paramount and that success at the cost of team unity is not really worth it. I hope England do win and show the world that a brilliant team is much, much better than a team of brilliant individuals.

Posted by ThirteenthMan on (August 13, 2012, 9:13 GMT)

I wonder how many dollies he will throw out of his cot now? Let us hope we have seen the last of him.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 13, 2012, 9:13 GMT)

@Tapash on (August 13 2012, 08:45 AM GMT), but he hasn't apologised. He hasn't apologised for what went before, but rather just said that he has changed his mind. That's fine; I have no issue with that. He certainly hasn't apologised for sending derogatory text messages so you can't say that he should be forgiven for it on that basis. The fact is that he hasn't even admitted that there were derogatory text messages, so how could he have apologised for it? If I was stopped by the police and on suspicion of stealing an item I was carrying and I refused to confirm or deny whether or not it was stolen, I would not be surprised to be detained. In this case, KP was asked to confirm or deny that he had sent derogatory text messages and if he had denied it then he would have been selected. If he refuses to confirm or deny then he should not be surprised at the outcome. For those who ask what right the ECB has to care, I think you'll find that the central contract KP signed bestows that right.

Posted by Sello_JHK on (August 13, 2012, 9:05 GMT)

The decision not to include their star performer in the last test match is silenced unspekeable. I am dissappointed in ECBs decision. Imagine Strauss, Cook, Trott, Bell, Bairstow, Taylor, Prior, Swann, Finn/BresnanAnderson and Broad. Just magine if Cook is skittled n Trott didnt stay long. Weakened like Windies with no Gayle

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:03 GMT)

@ b4u8me2 on (August 12 2012, 19:03 PM GMT) Actually you have a fair point here. I'm not sure whether it's possible to disprove something like that. I reckon if this is the issue KP should contact Jeremy Kyle for a lie detector

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:03 GMT)

@ anshu.s on (August 12 2012, 19:17 PM GMT) Maybe some of your fellow Indians are just being honest and not letting any IPL bias cloud their judgement on what they think is right or wrong. I also find it quite funny how you seem to be bigging up IPL but at the same time saying other cricket is meaningless. Even England have more homegrown players in their sides than any of the IPL franchises. By the way KP said in his interview yesterday that he's prefer to play for Eng in all 3 formats than play a full IPL. Still a big KP fan?

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:02 GMT)

@ bigwonder on (August 12 2012, 19:31 PM GMT) I'm always concerned at how England play esp after the last SC tours and yes I'm more concerned right now about the next test and yes I agree that Eng are weakened without KP but it's not like you and others like you weren't posting the "You'll get thrashed in India" before all this KP saga started is it?

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:02 GMT)

@landl47 on (August 12 2012, 23:30 PM GMT) re "England's middle order now consists of two 22-year olds with 4 tests between them, facing Steyn and Morkel" and neither having scored a test 50 even. Trouble is except Ravi who I don't really trust and Morgan who has showed no CC form we are pretty thin in the batting. Woakes would have been a better bet because at least he adds something with the ball.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:02 GMT)

@straight_drive4 on (August 13 2012, 00:15 AM GMT) 5W is having surgery as he posted back along and said he's be away for a while. If he was still posting during the barrage of ill comms we were receiving during the UAE series and the India ODI series then he's hardly likely to disappear on those grounds now

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

@dicky_boy on (August 13 2012, 00:59 AM GMT) re "IT'S BECAUSE OF CLASS SHOWED BY PLAYERS LIKE HIM THAT EVEN INDIANS LIKE ME SUPPORT ENGLAND" - If Indians like you support England then I'd hate to think what you'd post if you hated England

Posted by JG2704 on (August 13, 2012, 9:01 GMT)

@Julie Gould on (August 13 2012, 08:23 AM GMT) Might it not also depend on what was said in those texts?

Posted by anshu.s on (August 13, 2012, 8:59 GMT)

I am upset and shocked that my fellow Indians on this forum are supporting ECB and not KP !!! Guy loves India and he stood up for IPL by lambasting British media,but i forget that some of you so called purists despise IPL coz it threatens Test cricket according to you,pls stop this -playing for your country is the highest honour sermon honestly it is getting bit tiresome now.Go and preach this to football fans who support various European clubs and see there response,Cricket as it is suffering from meaningless international matches like India v/s Lanka series. KP should have never left South Africa his actual count

Posted by ashlatchem on (August 13, 2012, 8:55 GMT)

robheinen on (August 13 2012, 05:41 AM GMT) dogcatcher on (August 13 2012, 07:58 AM GMT) You 2 gentleman have basically covered how I feel about the situation but i would just like to also congratulate the Proteas on their No1. status can someone please just confirm it for me when it happens as I won't be watching... So this is what England fans get. 3 tests so the ECB can rake in with a useless ODI series and the MoM from last game not their to try and help y'all save your No1. ranking... Thanks ECB!!! Gotta say I feel for you guys... And we (NZ) just got trounced by the West Indies...sigh

Posted by jabrankundi on (August 13, 2012, 8:54 GMT)

So SMith got Nasser and Vaughan, the two captains to retire. It was unlikely that he would have forced Strauss to retire but has he forced Pietersen to retire? Go Smithy!!!

Posted by indiarox4ever on (August 13, 2012, 8:49 GMT)

LORDS England 0-1 before the start of the match.

Posted by Tapash on (August 13, 2012, 8:45 GMT)

KP is a cricketer who should get chance to play for England as England is suffering against South Africa. We love his play. As he is committed for all format he should be selected. We don't know what text he has sent to South Africa team about Strauss and team director. But as he has apologized, he need to be considered for England's coming schedule.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 13, 2012, 8:39 GMT)

@RandyOZ on (August 13 2012, 08:03 AM GMT), like he did against Aus A just recently? I think the water you detected was the tears of the Aus A bowlers he put to the sword in the second innings.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 8:23 GMT)

KP was asked by the ECB to play all three forms of the game, and play the New Zealand tests and he would again be elegible to be selected . He does these things and they find something else to hit him over the head with. Why should he not text his friends, even if they do play for the opposition. And we do not know what was in those text messages .And what right have the ECB got to demand he open his private correspondence to them? To all you supporters who think ENGLAND can win I say I hope so, but I have no faith that it will happen. Without KP we would have lost the last game and none of this would matter because we wouldn't be No 1 now.

Posted by Hira1 on (August 13, 2012, 8:22 GMT)

I hope every thing sorted out that needs to be sorted out between ECB and KP before announcing the final squad for T20 world cup..............let Ego loose and cricket wins........friends are dying to seeing you back in cricket KP!!

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 8:20 GMT)

South Africa showed long ago that egocentric superstars that are divisive and disruptive, have no place in the team (remember Gibbs). And look where they are now. While they might have handled KP better, there's no doubt that ECB have done the right thing for the long term health of the team. Whether they can prevail in the short term without him remains to be seen. Come to think of it, I don't think England can save the current series, even WITH him in the side. It will be a tall ask indeed, for him to produce another innings like the Headingly one, with all that's going on. Hopefully for England, the rest of the team can play the game of their lives, with their backs to the wall. Not impossible, but I wouldn't put money on it. I think SA will play a better game than they did at Headingly and will close the door at Lords.

Posted by SeekingAlpha on (August 13, 2012, 8:19 GMT)

We are re-hashing the Chris Gayle WICB story again i'm afraid. After a few rounds of jousting, people couldn't remember what the fight was all about even. And probably even the two parties lost track of who-said-what. If the purpose of ECB is to have their best, strongest team on the ground, surely it can't be achieved by making your star middle order batsman grovel for some derogatory SMS he might or might not have sent. Even if he does get back in the side, I'm sure the trust and unity purpose has gone to dust by then.

Do Hugh Morris or Andy Flower or Graeme Swann also have to make an announcement that the have never in the past sent any derogatory SMS about KP to anyone? Just thinking how this "SMS explanation" thing works.

Maybe they can do what Pakistan does in this situations and have the player meet the Board Chief and give an unconditional apology.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 8:14 GMT)

England are struggling to replace a decent but far from exceptional player like Colly. And they think they will replace KP?

Posted by kangaroussy on (August 13, 2012, 8:10 GMT)

@technicallycazy, I think that Shane Warne is a poor example for you to choose to illustrate your point. Cricket Australia, no doubt, would have loved to appoint him captain (the 2nd highest office in the land), but couldn't because of his spectacular and consistent off-field buffoonery. He just was not safe enough to be trusted with the captaincy, despite his universally acknowledged cricket brilliance as a player, leader and tactician. KP is not above the team, and if he thinks he is, he should not be in the team, simple as that.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 8:09 GMT)

@Oyster250. I agree with you. Every word you wrote about betrayers & backstabbers. What I don't understand is why ECB is still trying to give him small windows of opportunity to crawl back? He should be dropped for good.

Posted by RandyOZ on (August 13, 2012, 8:03 GMT)

Bairstow? Huge blow for England. A bit of chin music and this guy turns to water!

Posted by dogcatcher on (August 13, 2012, 7:58 GMT)

Cricket is a "team game" where its more about the individual than any other team sport. Unlike rugby, football etc do you really need your team mates to achieve? Pietersens job is to score runs. That he does! Very little of that relies on the team.

I am not defending Pietersen as he is arrogant and most probably deserves this, HOWEVER if we are so focussed on the team how is it Strauss / the coach /ECB and indeed Pietersens "team mates" allowed such a situation to arise in the first place? One could argue that he was the one that was marginalised first. It really makes for a great team environment when you are following a "parody" on twitter knowing full well how fragile the person the parody is mocking is. Great team play! Or making comments in your book?!

Both sides of the fence need to have a firm look at themselves. Leaks etc come from somewhere, maybe the ECB need to grow UP and manage better, so too Strauss and coach. The team is about results and this does not aid it.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 7:50 GMT)

If England win this next test without him I reckon he's played his last match for England. That's a big IF though, Bairstow even looked troubled by the pace of the WIndies attack, so he's not going to be too comfortable against Steyn & co, who will surely give him a barrage of short stuff.

Posted by sony_sr on (August 13, 2012, 7:49 GMT)

If found guilty, he should be severely punished. None of his skills or performances as a player should come in that way. Otherwise it will create a seriously wrong precedent not only in england but across all cricket playing nations. If ecb stay stern, they may loss one quality batsmen, but if they don't act, they may loss everything.

Posted by almeda_riddle on (August 13, 2012, 7:47 GMT)

Jacques Rudolph must be relieved.

Posted by Sugath on (August 13, 2012, 7:45 GMT)

Peterson may have been wrong in sending those texts. but the ECB is more wrong in dropping him over the episode. Two wrongs never make one right. it shows the desire of those in charge of cricket administration to do the eye for and eye strategy. Sadly the administration has suck to a deeper depth than Peterson.

hatred only begets hatred and only compassion can appease hatred. South Africans must be delighted. If Peterson sent texts to SA players then who gave the SA players numbers to him?

Posted by jasif on (August 13, 2012, 7:44 GMT)

thanks to IPL for creating this mess....more to follow

Posted by 200ondebut on (August 13, 2012, 7:40 GMT)

ECB management are treating KP like a naughty school child and this is about Flowers ego and not KP's. Flower feels threatened by KP and feels he has to exert his authority. The fact that he has to do it in public shows his lack of man management skills. Lords wil not be the same this weekend.

Posted by slm6 on (August 13, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

KP vs ECB = Gayle vs WICB?

@Oyster250 and others rubbishing on about the importance of team spirit etc---yes, cricket is a team sport, but it is one where there is a lot of space for individuality, and good teams have always had eccentrics and misfits. And its always caused problems. Conflict and ruffled feathers is normal. In Australia: Tiger O'Reilly vs Bradman. Warne vs Buchanan. More recently: Katich vs Clarke. Not giving Warne the captaincy cost Australia. Getting rid of Katich cost Australia. Sidelining KP will cost England.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 7:35 GMT)

Globally the game of cricket is a minor sport, only played on a major scale in England and ex-colonies. The game therefore needs incidents like the KP issue to create excitement and get people to sit up and take notice of it. Without actors like Pietersen, Warne, Afridi and a some others it would become very boring indeed also taking into account that a test match lasts five days - an anomaly in today's world. Who has the time to follow a game for so long? An American once said to me: "They have played the whole summer and it is still a tie!" But due to the KP story people all over the world (anyway those with some interest of what is going on around them) will take notice of the Lords' test. It can only be good for the game. This is the stuff movies are made of. Surely, if this has happened in the US of A a movie would already have been in the making! Another thing: Are the KP advisers the best they have in Eng? If so, the country is in trouble.

Posted by ben.p. on (August 13, 2012, 7:31 GMT)

Congratulations, South Africa! You've won the series, probably 2-0. Once again, the England selectors have come to your aid when it really mattered. Four years ago, we had Darren Pattinson parachuted in for the second Test and parachuted out, after only a handful of first class appearances. The first Test had been drawn , but you went on to win 2-1. Then, in 2009/10, we had Ryan Sidebottom replacing Graham Onions for the fiinal Test, when England were leading 1-0. ( Hey! Change a winning side. It's a real giggle! ) You drew the series 1-1. Graeme Swann was omitted for the last Test, when the ball turned, and now the selectors have recalled Jonny Bairstow, who was completely found out by the West Indies' rather ordinary attack, because he scored a century against Australia 'A', whose bowling is even friendlier than the Windies'. ( Ha, ha, ha, ha! ) England haven't beaten South Africa since 2004/05, and, until they get selectors who have any clue at all, they won't beat them again.

Posted by klempie on (August 13, 2012, 7:26 GMT)

(still chuckling) Well done to the Proteas management for leaking the texts. :) No. 1...here we come. :)

Posted by CustomKid on (August 13, 2012, 7:23 GMT)

I won't be at all surprised if England win this match. There are clearly a number of players who despise KP and with him gone they'll step up and perform like they should and how their fans expect.

Credit to the ECB, they made the tough call on an individual who simply doesn't fit the team mould. The whole YouTube broadcast was a pathetic attempt to right too many of his past wrongs. The amount of back peddling was embarrassing and KP I think it's best you simply move on to IPL where you fit perfectly.

There's an old Russian proverb that applies to KP - you don't get good apples from a bad tree. Isn't that the truth and you can add to that his apples ruin that whole cart.

While I don't know the guy he certainly doesn't appear to he be the sharpest tool in the shed. I'd thought it pretty simple to keep ones ego in check but obviously not.

3 clubs at county level, axed from the ENG team in all forms, that is pretty damning. Don't let the door hit you on the way out KP.

Posted by IndiaNumeroUno on (August 13, 2012, 7:20 GMT)

I've lost track on KP, so has he retired or not?

Posted by kingcobra85 on (August 13, 2012, 7:10 GMT)

Hahah ECB well done now you are going to be humiliated in India. You would have lost in India with or without Pieterson but now its just going to be much bigger margin. Thank you once again from a Indian fan

Posted by Riderstorm on (August 13, 2012, 7:03 GMT)

England lost their one big match player. It doesn't mean any disrespect to other players, they are good in their places but can't stand up and change the course of the match as KP does.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 7:03 GMT)

Omitting KP = Free ticket for SA for no 1 rank. Simple as that

Posted by klempie on (August 13, 2012, 7:02 GMT)

Our South African stitch-up is complete. No. 1 spot is now firmly within our grasp. :o)

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 6:39 GMT)

@bobmartin KP saved a test match against SA, when the rest of the team went down the same path as the Oval. He won a game against Sri Lanka, when the rest of the batsmen did close to nothing. As for the series against Pakistan in the UAE, he may not have contributed, but neither did any one else.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 6:38 GMT)

Who will score runs for England in the final test now!!! Another Inns defeat on the cards ?? #justasking

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (August 13, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

Why is everyone here saying England have no chance? Obviously a)you dont know anything about cricket or b) you are trolling anglophobe.

The distraction is omitted & England will need their other players to produce the form where we won every test for 2 years on our rise to number 1... England will win this game & the true value of a united England will become obvious to all.

Posted by oyster250 on (August 13, 2012, 6:28 GMT)

I fail to understand those who are lamenting KP's omission from the England squad for this 3rd Test. Clearly you have never played in a team sport and therefore do not understand the importance of trust and confidence in your team-mates that is needed to produce a good TEAM performance. KP has neither denied nor apologised for the alleged texts and that suggests he is guilty of perpetrating them. I don't care how talented a prima donna you may be, if you were in a team I played for and you sent derogatory texts about me and other team members to ANYONE, let alone our opponents in the next match, I can tell you you would be ostracized to a corner of the dressing room and basically subjected to the kind of treatment that any such team-betrayal would warrant. It really doesn't matter if you're playing for England or the lowliest village in the country - in ANY team sport - if you let your team mates down in such a manner you don't belong in the team. It's quite simple.

Posted by Gangi on (August 13, 2012, 6:22 GMT)

KP is not a one example. England official should reconcile their policy and strategy why most of the immigrants cricketers feel difficult to reach top level and maintain their place on permanent basis. KP is a outstanding player and still he is facing lot of disgrace within the dressing room. Concerned people in ECB look into matter and change their behavior in future to ensure these things does not happen again.

Posted by technicallycrazy on (August 13, 2012, 6:02 GMT)

England are at their arrogant best.Each Englishman is talking as if they are the only team consisting of superstars. They will soon bite the dust in Lord's and then realize their blunder of leaving KP out. You have to treat your marquee players carefully, for example look at Aus and India and, learn how they treat their stars like warne in past and SRT. This english side calls themselves no 1 but ther are yet to perform in dusty spinning Sub-continents where lies test of a true team and very few teams like SA and Aus and WI( in past) have shown. Is there any chance for KP to represent South Africa rather than England? I would love to see him in SA colors.

Posted by JohnoP on (August 13, 2012, 5:52 GMT)

Pieterson is a drama queen who believes himself above the game because of his status. He OWES that status to team, one that includes every player, every coach, every assistant, every team bus driver, every kit supplier, every grunt, every groundsman, every cleaner, every cricket lover. The team, indeed the game, is bigger than this drama queen. If England loses their previously deserved No 1 status only because of Pieterson's absence then the respect for all those who took the decision despite the immediate potential loss is immense and we all salute them for the victory of team and game over individual.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 5:43 GMT)

England always depend on Botham,Flintoff, Kevin and all.Please find one-bowler batman at the earliest to reach the top again or face down slide .You need a flamboyant player in your squad whether you like it or not

Posted by robheinen on (August 13, 2012, 5:41 GMT)

This is the best part of the reply of the 'Machine': "The success of the England team has been built on a unity of purpose and trust." The trust that no one leaks private information to the press. Not even the ECB. When two weep, two bear guilt. Not so if one of them is an institution. They make the rules and you best remember! They make no mistakes and you best remember!! They call the shots and you best remember!!!

Posted by Jack_Tka on (August 13, 2012, 5:38 GMT)

Before this text message & youtube, I was in support of KP. But not anymore. I am not in the support of ECB as well. Sending messages to the opposition team about your own team is a violation of professional ethics, according to me. I must add that the decision is basically an ego-centric one from ECB's side. In my opinion ECB cornered him to such an extent that finally KP showed the childish side of him full-fledgedly. The whole scenario looks like a joke now. I also believe that once KP realised that he's gone overboard by sending text messages, that he took up the YOUTUBE way to suffice for it. This whole mess also shows ECB's incapability of handling any stars the way BCCI does quite efficiently.

Posted by Hareendra on (August 13, 2012, 5:31 GMT)

No player is bigger than the team, but you have to be practical. I don't see the point of dropping a player based on allegations. Have an inquiry after the Test series and then dish out a punishment if found guilty.

Posted by unregisteredalien on (August 13, 2012, 5:23 GMT)

Loving the Egotistical Elevens, but you have to find room for Sehwag (drop Tendulkar down the order to the comfy slot between Pietersen and Pietersen) and Akhtar (picked ahead of Afridi for me). Definitely Boycott as coach and Botham as media relations officer.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 4:58 GMT)

very interesting to note that no one seems to think KP may be suffering from some psychological issues and may need a bit of rehabilitation/treatment.(similar to Ricky and symonds in the past).just think of it he plays the innings of the year and soon after blasts everyone around him.will any sane person do that.when you win you naturally feel good.you and i know that.nothing succeeds like success.after that innings he must have been the toast of the dressing room albeit temporarily but STILL he went way out of control.holding grudges/unable to forget certain personalities all are self destructive and needs cure..any thoughts from anyone.my belief is only strengthened by his 'apology' video.he is more confused than an afghan refugee right now..very sad but true..and isnt there a differnet way to deal with him..any thoughts..pls publish

Posted by kensohatter on (August 13, 2012, 4:53 GMT)

Why are so many people defending KP... Hes a mercenary who is only ever interested in his best interests. If SA included him in their test side for the lords test he would play for them. He is being punished for not showing loyalty for sending text messages to competitors about his boss, captain and team mates. In any other workplace this would be instant dismissal. I applaud the english board for showing some back bone and setting a precedent that the english cap is not a right or merely a stepping stone to better things... The english cap is the pinnacle for english cricketers. The only issue i have with the english board is their selection of so many south african based players in the national team as clearly this kind of disloyalty to an adopted country will arise. Also a massive well done to SA team management who have conveniantly leaked these messages ahead of the lords test match resulting in the removal of the biggest obstacle to no.1 in the world!

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 4:47 GMT)

Bang goes no 1 and thats a test match I wont bother to watch

Posted by Samar_Singh on (August 13, 2012, 4:36 GMT)

This is all Rubbish from ECB. One cannot be punished for his off field behavior ..

Posted by RandyOZ on (August 13, 2012, 4:31 GMT)

England have no one to blame but themselves. No money is going into grass roots level and the gaping hole in the talent is evidence of this. Poaching will not help them at all and only brings mercenaries like KP to the team, and how is that working out for you ECB?

Posted by Tysonlanka on (August 13, 2012, 4:29 GMT)

I think some one behind the window is giving all wrong messages to KP to kick him out of the England team and his falling for it. i assume it's the IPL?? KP has gone blind, if he has any issues he needs to sit and discuss this with his captain and the management not just going and messing things up and then crying for forgiveness. KP is one of the main obstacles for the other three leading test nations (South Africa, Australia & India) for not able to give the last blows when it comes to crunch situation in test and ODI. his departure opens the doors for England to Surrender their No 1 position in TEST. Good luck England and Struss. Struss is great gentleman of the game comparing to the most the England captains they have produced.

Posted by RandyOZ on (August 13, 2012, 4:27 GMT)

England have no one to blame but themselves. No money is going into grass roots level and the gaping hole in the talent is evidence of this. Poaching will not help them at all and only brings mercenaries like KP to the team, and how is that working out for you ECB?

Posted by thebarmyarmy on (August 13, 2012, 4:25 GMT)

Load of rubbish., 2-0 to SA

Posted by jonesy2 on (August 13, 2012, 4:14 GMT)

good riddance. never come back. i cant see it happening and i actually commend strauss and flower for tossing this cockroach. i almost (almost) feel sorry for pieterson because he clearly has no one in this world who doesnt dislike him to varying degrees. such a pathetic excuse for a man and to be perfectly honest brings shame on the sport

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 4:10 GMT)

The decision taken by Management not by individual, there may be more experienced vote against KP, Hard Luck KP, We miss him, but We respect ECB.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 4:03 GMT)

I don't understand why people here are blaming England Board here. I am a fan of Pieterson but I firmly believe that no player is greater than the Team. If you keep changing your views and keep changing your playing policy then how will you be kept in the team? Good that ECB is doing this unlike India where players are treated like Kings, that is why India never stay number1. Indian board knows that players get them money and hence they keep supporting players all the time. But for ECB it is team and their performance matters. You cannot send text against your captain and coach and then expect a place in the team. Indian board should get a leaf out of ECB.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 4:02 GMT)

I wonder when India and Pakistan can do what ECB has bravely done

Posted by rajpan on (August 13, 2012, 4:01 GMT)

KP has been a mercenary for cricket throughout. He has not been the first and will not be the last. Every team in the world has had its own share of mercenaries. But logically, ECB has taken a correct stand. It is more in the interests of long term nature than the short term. After his last century at Headingley, he suddenly thought he has become indispensable.

Posted by Stos on (August 13, 2012, 3:57 GMT)

England's main batting strength was their top 3 anyway, while this will weaken their team it's hardly as if it removes their only good player, let alone their best or most fearsome, as some people seem to be saying.

Posted by xylo on (August 13, 2012, 3:54 GMT)

Impressive that team ethic is given importance over possibly their test ranking. It is true that their #1 status is hanging by a thread, but it is definitely more important to build a team that will haul them for a long time.

Posted by Bagpipe001 on (August 13, 2012, 3:15 GMT)

Managing a prima donna is never simple - this is the best approach for the long term. A resister, no matter how brilliant, must be let go. Well done ECB now maybe KP will shut down his soap opera once and for all and let performances on lesser stages and his attitude off the field earn his place back.

Posted by gsamiru on (August 13, 2012, 2:46 GMT)

England won't be able to defend their No 1 spot in Tests or T20 WC title since they has lost their superstar. Deterioration of English Cricket has began............ ECB, don't be too late to treat, The medicine is one and only ........ KP

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 2:42 GMT)

Maybe this is a sign that England are not as hung up on/arrogant about their No.1 status as their critics who post on Cricinfo claim. Maybe they think some things come before winning -- the expression 'that's not cricket' comes to mind. KP is their only star, yet they drop him. I assume he did slag off his captain etc -- if he hadn't he would have told them he hadn't, probably sued them. Also, he hasn't apologised. I wouldn't want him in the team if I were Strauss. Maybe he should give his mobile to his dog. Seems to be the amin thing that gets him into trouble. KP is the one who constantly bites the hand the feeds him -- I bet his dog isn't so stupid, childish, 'up himself.' And I am an England fan whose favourite player by far is KP. I am just gob-smacked at his behaviour. The word 'traitor' comes to mind.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 2:39 GMT)

A very good answer for this is: http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/sadisthour/archives/2012/08/no_winners_in_battle_for_trust.php

Posted by satish619chandar on (August 13, 2012, 2:39 GMT)

Well.. The battle KP vs ECB is more interesting than the SA-England on the field.. KP suddenly comes up and says he might be playing his penultimate tests and suddenly turns up in youtube to say "Committed to England and will play NZ tests".. ECB drops him for his own personal texts on his teammates.. Did ECB warn or drop Swann for his remarks on KP's captaincy in his book? I don't think so.. The war of ego standing taller than the game itself.. They famously say "Nobody is bigger than the game" but still ego is.. As of now, Bairstow can't replace KP but he can prove it on the field he can do it.. Best of luck Little Johnny.. And, England too..

Posted by dsig3 on (August 13, 2012, 2:27 GMT)

England are wasting their window to be the best. It was only small anyway with 1 great player surrounded by role players. Now they are role players only, they will be overrun in a few years by more talented teams.

Posted by binojpeter on (August 13, 2012, 2:25 GMT)

I don't blame ECB over this. Team camaraderie comes first, no matter what. And there needs to be a strong message to be sent out.

Posted by Vidyashankar on (August 13, 2012, 1:56 GMT)

I feel that ECB is shooting itself on the foot by dropping Kevin Pietersen. It's true that KP need to be taught a lesson from their perpestive but for England to retain their number one test team ranking having KP in the team is their best choice. He is their top batter, in the form of his life.

They can drop him for the T20 world cup if they want him to teach them a lesson. Also I was under the impression that ECB's top priority is Test Cricket. I don't think that's the case now with this episode.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (August 13, 2012, 1:53 GMT)

Please END this CIRCUS soon...and Burden is on ECB...

Posted by HawK89 on (August 13, 2012, 1:42 GMT)

Keep this up and the Ashes will be Australia's for the next 10 years.

Posted by hyrclov on (August 13, 2012, 1:33 GMT)

this is embarrassing , he scores a brilliant hundred and gets dropped for this , england wil suffer in the upcoming test , this text thing is a joke for me

Posted by ArsalanMujahidGhouri on (August 13, 2012, 1:28 GMT)

@ prat: How come sachin fall into the category of Egoistic. U ve problem to analyse ppl. I agree for afridi and KP, but u forget their brother Bhajji.

Posted by ArsalanMujahidGhouri on (August 13, 2012, 1:25 GMT)

Ah ! now i realize y he did vdo interview. He knew that he made another mistake, and try to go through with it from his 'down to earth' and patriotic interview. Happy to see what just happened with u KP. U r egoistic patient !

Posted by RaadQ on (August 13, 2012, 1:09 GMT)

England team seems to have forgot the notion of "innocent till proven guilty", not guilty until proven innocent...

Posted by dicky_boy on (August 13, 2012, 0:59 GMT)


Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 0:48 GMT)

another thing here is that board wants KP to confirm that no derogatory texts are sent by him. so they definitely don't know what is the content. So how they can know that it is derogatory. This situation is illogical.

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (August 13, 2012, 0:32 GMT)

As an England fan, this is fantastic move & we have given ourselves a real chance of retaining our rightful spot at the summit or the rankings. If we had included KP everyone in the team would have felt uncomfortable and you cant win feeling uncomfortable....This is what happened in the ODI side, everyone was saying England couldnt win with no KP & the lads respond by WHITEWASHING AUSTRALIA! Obviously whitewashing australia is pretty easy but it was a great responce and Sout Africa will experience the same team spirit at Lords.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 0:24 GMT)

Well, this lifelong cricket fan will not be following this test on cricinfo. And will not be following any England tests until Pietersen is reinstated. The ECB deserves to lose (though the players do not). And by the way HOW MANY TEST CENTURIES DID THE SELF-IMPORTANT HUGH MORRIS AND GILES CLARKE EVER MAKE, EH?

Posted by Ms.Cricket on (August 13, 2012, 0:23 GMT)

A good example from ECB that team is above individual. Wish the BCCI had enough guts to do this to Gambhir and Sehwag during the last Test series for showing disunity with the captain.

Posted by   on (August 13, 2012, 0:20 GMT)

one thing here i don't understand: how can you remove a player from a team on the basis of a text message, the content of which is private and "unknown". This is ridiculous from ECB.

Posted by straight_drive4 on (August 13, 2012, 0:15 GMT)

@5 WOMBATS - Where are you? havent heard from you for a while.. im worried about you and just want to make sure you are ok as you have been missing lately. Jumping off a sinking ship?? i think so. i dont blame you.

Posted by bonobo on (August 13, 2012, 0:08 GMT)

I dont have great love for KP...and i think he has handled the last few months like a car wreck...but unless there is more to this (and possibly there is)...you cant drop a man for not providing evidence to counter a 'rumour'?..shouldnt the onus be on those spreading the rumour ? If i suspended an employee on that basis, then i would be up for a tribunal. I sometimes think the interests of the team can be used to to excuse the interests of a clique. Have the ECB asked other england players and officials to prove they didnt leak the inforamtion on KPs contract talks earlier in the year

Posted by Hira1 on (August 12, 2012, 23:57 GMT)

KP will be selected in the final line squad for T20 competition if ECB don't select him then next in line will be Andy Flower to be axed as England surely not going to win any series/competition without KP being in the side

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 12, 2012, 23:48 GMT)

I think that it's quite funny that everyone is writing off England because KP won't be playing. His was a great innings at Headingly and England did rely on him heavily but did noone notice that SA relied even more heavily on Alviro Petersen? That's the same Alviro Petersen who got a duck in the first Test and was very lucky not to be out in the 20s in the second. SA are far from invincible. They would go into the match favourites, no doubt, but they are quite capable of losing and England do have other batsmen capable of scoring runs.

Posted by proudpommy on (August 12, 2012, 23:37 GMT)

England need him to play, they could be in some trouble now :/ !

Posted by landl47 on (August 12, 2012, 23:30 GMT)

While I don't think England had much choice in dropping KP, I'm not very happy about the team selected. England's middle order now consists of two 22-year olds with 4 tests between them, facing Steyn and Morkel. However promising they are (and they will both be fine players) that's a tough ask. Someone with more experience would have been a better choice. As for the bowling, assuming Swann comes back in, England now seem to be locked in to Anderson, Broad and Bresnan as the three seamers. Given the inexperience of the middle order, Bresnan's batting tilts the balance towards him instead of Finn. Much as I hope they'll win, I think England has to be a long shot to beat SA with this side.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 22:58 GMT)

It will be amazing if England did win the final Test match but really England staff are doing the sensible thing. You can't have a player who's asking for demands and choosing which games to play and opt out for. Playing for your country is an honour and privilege and many English players are desperate to get into the team and represent their country. Its also about attitude not just talent alone and yes KP will be a big loss for England but everyteam has to move on sooner or later.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 22:35 GMT)

cool but he`s jus an exceptional player. We`ll certainly miss him. I jus hope they will come to a common ground & KP would be back soon. Its aggressive players like KP, Gayle, AB that make all forms of modern cricket excitin.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 22:33 GMT)

You deserve it KP.. Issues have to be solved and not broadcast :(

Posted by sk12 on (August 12, 2012, 22:29 GMT)

Good job ECB. Is Peterson dropped forever until he apologizes for the text msgs or just for this 1 test?

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (August 12, 2012, 22:29 GMT)

Now lets get back to playing cricket if we get beat and SA overtake us then well done, KP is a side issue.

Posted by creekeetman on (August 12, 2012, 21:40 GMT)

@ pratchett, what about lara, lara, lara lara,...... lara.

Posted by jackthelad on (August 12, 2012, 21:38 GMT)

Oh, and, the coming Test is just another game in the 150-odd year history of Test cricket, it would be nice to win it but in the great scheme of things 'It doesn't really mean a heap of beans' (Bogart, 'Casablanca').

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (August 12, 2012, 21:28 GMT)

Well it's the best thing the ECB have done given the situation. BUT, now ANY chance of an English victory at Lords' is all but OVER. Only KP provided that extra venom or X factor against the South African bowlers. England would do well to salvage a draw there but that isn't enough for them to cling on to the no.1 ranking in test cricket. England have come a full circle. Last year they took the ranking from India and now exactly an year later they would surrender it. Begs, the question - WHY would these 'no.1' teams play a lot of games at home ? That makes them look 'good' when they really aren't. I want a majority of these no.1 teams to travel away from home for a good 2 years at least after reaching the top. I am not convinced of a 'home' no.1 one bit.

Posted by gtzshotta on (August 12, 2012, 21:27 GMT)

England should prepare for a crushing innings defeat.

Posted by disco_bob on (August 12, 2012, 21:22 GMT)

This could also be a master stroke for the management who will now be able to blame KP for the loss of the number one ranking at Lords and perhaps even hint at him being the cause for the Oval thrashing.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 12, 2012, 21:14 GMT)

@ docamit on (August 12 2012, 18:57 PM GMT) Yeah , right - because WI were an amazing side with Gayle in it

Posted by phermon on (August 12, 2012, 21:11 GMT)

How about Gayle Boycott Tendulkar Greig Pietersen Botham Marsh Warne Flintoff Afridi Agnew - egocentricity along with magical talent?

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 20:56 GMT)

He is great player, He has done great things for English Cricktet, rather then try to understand him its easy to let him go, He may have issues but at end of the day we need to see what he brings in for team and game,

Posted by phoenixsteve on (August 12, 2012, 20:46 GMT)

@pratchet.... Presumably the team to be managed by Geoff Boycott?

Posted by richardror on (August 12, 2012, 20:32 GMT)

This has taken far too long to happen!!! Should have been dropped a long long time ago.

Posted by becham100 on (August 12, 2012, 20:29 GMT)

An after thought... We all "know" that no individual is bigger than the game but is the country bigger than the game? If somebody wants to play a certain format of the game and that means missing another format of the game for the country, why is that so bad? After all....."the game is the biggest thing"

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (August 12, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

I doubt whether the text messages are in the News of the World as it ceased to operate last year.

Posted by 200ondebut on (August 12, 2012, 20:18 GMT)

What a joke - Englands position as number one is on the back of his performances. Flower is just a passenger and should be sent packing.

Posted by becham100 on (August 12, 2012, 20:10 GMT)

England are half the side without KP, at least in limited overs. What I don't understand is....why can't a group of people, who have the "job" to manage things around England cricket, can't manage a player? The fault lies with ECB as much as KP. It's not brand new information that KP has attitude issues.The question remains...what has been done by the board to avoid all this? Were they sleeping when the whole "retirement from limited overs" thing happened? Let's hope it gets sorted and we can all see him play again.

Posted by jezzastyles on (August 12, 2012, 20:05 GMT)

If ENG somehow conjure a win at Lords, given all of the drama in the lead-up, it will be the greatest comeback since Lazarus of Bethany!!

Posted by AshesErnie on (August 12, 2012, 19:59 GMT)

Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice. Best news I've had for months.

Posted by thalalara on (August 12, 2012, 19:58 GMT)

Doomsday for English Cricket!!!

Posted by desi-blue on (August 12, 2012, 19:55 GMT)

Well looking at his past, it does seem that K.P has fallen out quite often with people.Is this the end of him???..well i don't think so, but like Mike Atherton said how he responds to this will play a big role in determining his future as an ENG player..having said this though, i have to say that while i am all for team unity and togetherness and while these words all sound great in theory winning and losing all comes down to talent and skill which K.P has in abundance...will team unity help Bairstow face Steyn and co. better???..if ENG lose early wickets will team unity help him counter attack in the way K.P does???..is any batsman in the ENG team capable of blasting a century in no time and changing the complexion of the game in a flash???..while i understand it must be very frustrating for ENG fans to have a flawed genius who can spring a volte-face without warning at anytime in the side..i would have still persisted with him..especially ahead of such an important test..

Posted by bennybow on (August 12, 2012, 19:40 GMT)

Utterly predictable. A competent management should not have let the situation arise in the first place. So they've sent KP to detention. Very reminiscent of the way business managers used to operate 40 years ago. "We are the supreme being - you lot are the workers who should never ever step out of line". By the way, I'm old-fashioned myself - I like to see England pick the best players. Now we are without our best batsman, our best wicket keeper and our one spinner is the guy who was out-bowled by Monty in the UAE. Still, I'm just a paying spectator and thus unimportant.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 19:38 GMT)

ECB did a good Job.Whatever KP did was unethical and against the sportsmanship.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 19:38 GMT)

Well that's good for south Africa to win the Test. I still Believe though England is playing well for last few years but still they are lacking match Winners and only player have is KP and now he is out so England has to play well and forget about producing a heroics from anyone else. KP not only play well but he alone can take the game away from the opposition, is there anyone else in the current England squad i guess No.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 19:36 GMT)

Will the Politicans in England step in to do the same for KP as the Politicans in the Caribbean did for Christ Gayle .

Posted by Pratchett on (August 12, 2012, 19:36 GMT)

How about an Egotistical Eleven? Gayle, Tendulkar, Pietersen (c), Pietersen, Pietersen, Afridi, Pietersen (w), Pietersen, Warne, Pietersen, Pietersen.

Posted by Charlie101 on (August 12, 2012, 19:36 GMT)

hopefully another video tomorrow with an apology to Strauss and Flowerand he can then play. He seems very contrite in the current video so just another piece more of humble pie to eat for KP and we are there . The ECB are completely right and KP will be wiser after this farce.

Posted by bigwonder on (August 12, 2012, 19:31 GMT)

@JG2704, I love the way you give your 100% attention to the comments from Indian fan base. It goes on to show how worried you are about England under performing in India later this year. May your fears come true, but the fact is England will need KP to make significant strides in India. Strauss alone cannot take on this task especially with Cook struggling against spin. For now, lets focus on the 3rd test and the dethroning moment that England has been dreading about.

Posted by bumsonseats on (August 12, 2012, 19:18 GMT)

maddy20 the saffers were the 1s who brought it to the attention to the press. for example if an indian player were to text a pakistani player with a comment about your captain i take it you would think that would be ok.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 19:17 GMT)

Assuming KP did write the texts... is it all that surprising, since he was under the impression that the Twitter campaign against him was emanating from the dressing room - and nothing was being done about it. In fact England players openly subscribed to it. That's a nice environment to work in - isn't it? The Twitter campaign's "close source" has still not been identified yet, has it? KP is being made out to be the bad boy, but really this is the story of a team in meltdown. Instead of coming together and focussing on winning, they're ready to scratch each others eyes out. Anybody remember Al Pacino's speech as the coach in the important playoff match in the movie "Any Given Sunday"? Let's chalk up the England Cricket team as an epic fail...

Posted by anshu.s on (August 12, 2012, 19:17 GMT)

I am upset and shocked that mysome of my fellow Indians on this forum are supporting ECB and not KP !!! Guy loves India and he stood up for IPL by lambasting British media,but i forget that most of you so called purists are even more English than the Brits themselves and you guys despise IPL coz it threatens Test cricket according to you,pls stop this -playing for your country is the highest honour sermon honestly it is getting bit tiresome now.Go and preach this to football fans who support various European clubs and see there response,Cricket as it is suffering from meaningless international matches like India v/s Lanka series. KP should have never left South Africa his actual country.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 19:16 GMT)

I think England have set a good precedent by not including eog mired peitersen in Lord's test. Other teams should take similar action against rebel players.

Posted by CarelA on (August 12, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

Well, you've gone and done it now, boyo. I wonder how the SAn team feels having leaked to the press/England team? That he put them in an untenable situation and brought it upon himself, yadayada? Fair enough. And how must he not feel, having taken the country that rejected him into his confidence? Bad case of stockholm syndrome, to be in the thrall of those whose respect you imagine you don't have... This kid is so fractured, my heart bleeds for him. But county cricket is the best thing in the circumstances

Posted by b4u8me2 on (August 12, 2012, 19:03 GMT)

"It was an allegation, according to England's managing director, Hugh Morris, that unless unproven undermined "a unity of purpose and trust." When did the burden of proof rest with the accused? This is a dangerous precedent being set by the ECB. I thought allegations were suppose to be PROVEN not UNPROVEN. So is the ECB saying it is ok to make up allegations and drop a player so long as that player cannot prove that it is untrue despite the ECB not being able to prove that the allegations are true. This cannot be right!!!

Posted by Supa_SAFFA on (August 12, 2012, 19:02 GMT)

It's probably the best for England in the long run, but in the immediate future I foresee a very hard slog that's not of the KP variety.

Posted by alikhan224 on (August 12, 2012, 19:01 GMT)

woooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwww...this has been the decision i was longggggggggggggggg waiting for...it has been the best ever decision that the ECB has made..this show-off KP should be taught a lesson and this is the best way to tell him that he is NOT AT ALL bigger than the game...gayle did the same and he paid the price...i just wonder how can any cricket board go down infront on an individual,so stubborn and proud like KP...and now that he has been left out,he has started begging to the ECB..pls ECB dont include him till atleast one yr, so that no other player ever does things like this..surely he would have been thinking that when he announces retirement, he would be begged, but when thats not the case,now he finds himself nowhere...i hope and pray that bairstow performs and locks every door for KP..luv u ECB.

Posted by ilovecricket1234 on (August 12, 2012, 18:59 GMT)

Nice! Better chance for SA to win the match now! Well done SA for leaking the texts to the English management! They fell for it!

Posted by Swingit on (August 12, 2012, 18:59 GMT)

Good on you ECB! I dont believe the amount of fan boys here advocating individual before team. KP thought he could come up with a carefully scripted "way out" but oops he did not cover all his bases as shroud as he is. I wonder how all the people who blasted the WICB in attempting to bring Chris Gayle in line have to say about ECB? Oh I guess to those who kept saying "Gayle must feed his family" it is OK for ECB to act that way since they are a rich board and can afford to pay their players much more then the WICB. As bad as people may think ECB and WICB are do you think KP or Gayle could ever try to pull those stunts on big bad BCCI? You really think and player can blast the BCCI and get away scot free? I still want KP to play for England but KP gotta understand there are consequences to your actions, even my 4 yr old understand that.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 18:58 GMT)

News of the World just released the contents of the SMS...Go check it out....:) something to do with KP playing for SA after Kallis retires:)

Posted by JG2704 on (August 12, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

I love these comments we've been getting from our Indian cheerleaders saying "You will get thrashed/trashed in India without KP" . Like they were not saying "England will get thrashed/trashed in India" before all these KP events.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 12, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

@mcsdl on (August 12 2012, 16:17 PM GMT) Great and very original point and very well made. It's always fantastic when we get such innovative and constructive comments on here. Brilliant

Posted by fr600 on (August 12, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

Pietersen should consider this a punishment. He'll definitely play from the next match.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 12, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

@maddy20 on (August 12 2012, 16:00 PM GMT) You say "For a team that has not won any series since they got the No.1 ranking(barring WI)" - and one could also say that this team has only lost one series since becoming number 1. Ok we'll probably lose this one too but we can all make things sound better/worse than they actually are

Posted by docamit on (August 12, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

Just like west Indies dropped their best player Gayle and suffered defeat after defeat same will happen to england.. england is going to loose their no 1 ranking very soon!!

Posted by aarfeen on (August 12, 2012, 18:57 GMT)

k.p = bairstaw ?? what a joke.... hahahahhaha !!!!! strauss this is your last match......remember k.p saved u in srilanka... .now he is no more ....plz change the team otherwise it ll be too late....not only for u but for the eng...1# for the now S.A cheer !!! no. 1 .. ;)

Posted by CarlM on (August 12, 2012, 18:54 GMT)

No man is bigger than the team. He left SA because he wwas victimized, he lost the captaincy because he was victimized, he doesn't belong as a team player, good riddance. Not even a pleasure to watch

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 18:54 GMT)

this more like it, I was feed up with all the winning,playing badly and dropping the best player,it's like the good old days

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (August 12, 2012, 18:52 GMT)

Well.... no surprise here. I said in many previous post that KP was finished - now it is proved. It is a pity, but no one person would be allowed to do AND say (text) some of the thing KP say. Remember Phil Hughes got dumped by Ponting at the start of the 2009 Ashes for a lot less. Don't forget that KP walked out of the England set up during the World Cup last year too. (I never believed for one minute that Pietersen was injured....). No manager would ever forget that and esp not the 2 Andy. They have had enough, and so probably have many England player in dressing room. So, once again Kevin Pietersen - thank you for the memory... and... Goodbye.

Posted by s382412 on (August 12, 2012, 18:52 GMT)

Nice to hear from English biggies that " No individual is above the game". But the question remains will they remain on their statements????. Let England lose Series or tow KP will be back in the team. Simply because the team is doing good so they don't require KP. Lot of such incidences happen in English cricket team, including KP involve but all of them back to the team.

Posted by Rajdev on (August 12, 2012, 18:39 GMT)

The moral of the Pietersen saga is that, don't even consider icing your bridges; much less burning 'em. Rajan

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 18:37 GMT)

There is only one man for the ECB to call on. Available, in the country......step forward Oscar Pistorius. Quick between the wickets too.

Posted by allblue on (August 12, 2012, 18:31 GMT)

Just another thought on 'private messages'. If they were 'private' no-one would know about them would they? He sent them to members of the opposition during the middle of a series for heavens sake - is he really so naive as to think that the SA management (once they'd stopped laughing and jumping up and down with joy) wouldn't use them to their advantage? That they wouldn't use them in their team meetings them to gain psychological advantage? That they wouldn't leak them to cause as much discord in the England camp as possible in the build up to the deciding Test? If KP thought that those messages would remain private he's not just naive but stupid as well. He might just as well have got a spray can and painted them in foot-high letters on the walls of Lords. Incredibly stupid behaviour.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

I am not gonnna watch england cricket ......unless KP plays..again ..but i guess chances are less....bad luck for england

Posted by ShankarKR on (August 12, 2012, 18:27 GMT)

It is shame on England cricket team to drop great player like Kevin Peterson. England should respect legendary cricketers. England doesn't respect cricketers in spite of their career records. This is why England team does not have any cricketing records by their name.

Posted by gudolerhum on (August 12, 2012, 18:25 GMT)

Sadly KP keeps opening his mouth and somehow his feet get in. He really does mean well and wants to play for England, even if his motives for doing so are rather self related. Without his presence, and I mean that word in all its senses, the team is less than the whole it can be with him as a fully participating member. I wonder if some element of personality conflict is developing in Andy Flower against KP? If so, AF should be made to understand very quickly that there is no room for this in a successful unit. He has achieved a lot with this squad and sometimes such success can cloud the vision in certain areas.

Posted by jango_moh on (August 12, 2012, 18:24 GMT)

wow, didnt know there were so many issues here... i would reserve comments until all facts are revealed.... both sides should be heard in this issue...

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 18:10 GMT)

ECB what stupidity - what about other players who were doing great things for team unit at pieterson expense - dro[p them too - but the move is just brilliant for SA

Posted by CHINAMAN_UK on (August 12, 2012, 18:07 GMT)

THE GAME has to move on.... England loose and the comments will be "What did you expect KP was not there" , which in part will undermine the performance of the opposition. At the end of the day the game is played by whoever turns up, ( exclusions due to injuries, self exile or otherwise having been excluded is a reality ) . That said it is time for whoever turns up to come out of the shadow.. the media will NOT be talking about KP BUT about you Strauss, Cook, Bell, Taylor, Trott.. , stand up be counted and show the world , England CAN WIN without KP

Posted by Hira1 on (August 12, 2012, 18:03 GMT)

Probably every one is thinking ECB is the winner but Strauss and Andy Flower will be in too much pressure once England will loose the 3rd test and will loose the number 1 ranking as well...by that time they will realize how important is to have KP in the team but will be too late then

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 18:01 GMT)

As much as i respect KP as a cricket and brilliant batsman, his massive ego has got in the way once again! Come on Jonny, my old school friend, hit a triple century and win it for england! :D

Posted by allblue on (August 12, 2012, 17:59 GMT)

Predictably there are plenty of mischievous comments here, but I repeat the ECB were left with no choice. Anyone who has ever played in a team sport will understand that a disruptive influence cannot be allowed because the whole team ethos falls apart. Of course the batting line-up looks stronger with KP in it, but if a player gets injured you just get on with it and England will have to do that now. Think how much Trescothick has been missed because of his illness, but the team moves on. And for those talking about his right to send 'private messages' you might want to check your own employment contract. You will find the term 'gross misconduct' in there, and if you send derogatory messages about your boss to employees of a rival company, and he finds out about it, you would no doubt find that clause invoked. KP has brought this situation about by his own actions, and even if it means the team has to take a step backwards in the short term the ECB had no other option.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 17:46 GMT)

Poor timing by the ECB, they could have waited after the final test. England's no.1 ranking is at stake here and KP did play an important knock in the previous test match. Lastly, how did the ECB came to know about the content of the text message, if KP had sent it to his mates at the SA team! I wonder who leaked the information!! Anyway, good luck to England but I have a feeling SA will end up winning. SA is the best team in world Cricket right now.

Posted by warneneverchuck on (August 12, 2012, 17:44 GMT)

This is the difference between great player like tendulkar who never come in news for wrong reasons and the rest of players.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 17:37 GMT)

Best and most inform English batsmen by a long shot, i don't think we can rely on the top order to get runs, were gonna lose this test before it starts!!!

Posted by stenat on (August 12, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

i think KP has a problem for he knows he's the best batsman in the England team and for that matter in the world so he wants to be treated as Tendiukar is treated by the indian management. he continues to have problems with teams :natal ,notts ,hampshire in the past and i think it's all pride .The England management has done what any good parent does to a wayward child discipline him for his good and the good of the family.

Posted by anurag2704 on (August 12, 2012, 17:18 GMT)

@ agent001..." Well done ECB. You showed KP who is boss is. No individual is bigger than the team. One would expect that greedy behavior from the sub-continent players, not from the gentleman of the British empire"...definitely not a genuine English cricket fan.Trolls like you ruin any genuine discussion.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 17:16 GMT)

this is rubbish......How can england win Without KP???totally disappointed with this news.....

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 17:15 GMT)

hope bairstow gets a king pair - dropping KP is a bad decision

Posted by punter-gilly-haydos-mcgrath-warne on (August 12, 2012, 17:15 GMT)

I am supporting SA in the series so reading that the ECB left KP out for the test made me really happy.

Posted by AKS286 on (August 12, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

very emotional what i comment i don't understand. ECB maintains its pride & honour and..... best of luck to KP i miss you a lot but i don't watch the next IPL matches of RCB.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 17:11 GMT)

For us West Indies fans this looks very much like a replay of the Chris Gayle saga. That resulted in West Indies keeping Chris out for a year and a half and seriously suffering for the decision. However, I would have to think that England currently have more depth than West Indies had when that happened. Still, the emotional toll on the team will be high, as it was for West Indies, and so I expect England to drop like a lead balloon for a while. Still, this is what happens when teams hire mercenaries with big egos.

Posted by mukesh_LOVE.cricket on (August 12, 2012, 17:11 GMT)

looks like KP has gone a bit too far there ! , now that gayle-WICB saga is over i hope this one will keep us entertained for few weeks :-) , really expected few good ones from jonesy2 and randyOz in comments section.., and good luck to England , they will need it against SA

Posted by JamesTHEwalldravid on (August 12, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

This would be amusing if it were not so sad. Eng will be crushed in the next test."They" (The ECB, Flower & Strauss) want to go around thinking that they are what has made this Eng team great even if it means ironically that Eng will be crushed in the next test and lose their ranking. Truth be told Eng were never great. It was just a mass delusion that their media created. Also Strauss' contribution behind the scenes must be immense. I mean he must be the best captain ever, the fusion of Allan Border and Stephen Flemming because his contribution as a player has been nonexistent, so he must be doing something right off the field. Flower is overrated. When Pak beat Eng 3-0 he reacted by accusing them (Ajmal) of cheating. Where was his cool demeanor then? Why does he expect to be treated with respect when he does not respect others? Be it the opposition or KP? Leaking KP's private information to the media. It's just Wrong.

Posted by Perera32 on (August 12, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

Haha what a joke. It'll be very difficult for England to win the last test without him. There is no way the ECB will drop KP for the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka because England will have no chance without him in these conditions.

Posted by nkoch on (August 12, 2012, 17:02 GMT)

well done ECB. No place for ego and disrespect in sport.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 17:02 GMT)

Actually ECB didn't say that KP sent derogatory texts , rather they say that KP didn't publicly state that they were NOT Derogatory.

is this a rule that any texts sent by players need to be followed by a public confirmation that nothing in them was derogatory ? OR is ECB just being petty ?

Posted by hhillbumper on (August 12, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

Well done to the ECB>Not sure about Bairstow but KP needed to learn that no individual is bigger than the gaem.You start letting your own needs dominate the team and you end up with a team Like Indias that play for individual glory and see that as more important.Hey KP we liked your talent but your attitude was obviously terrible.texting South africans during the match? Mate time to go home and see if someone will take that tattoo of you.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (August 12, 2012, 16:58 GMT)

Endless reference to adapting season to accomodate IPL, the purpose of the ECB is to best serve English cricket at all levels, the IPL only directly conflicts with the home season of England and the West Indies and these are the 2 countries that have experienced issues. I have briefly watched the IPL but found it completely vacuous a bit like a cross between the Harlem Globetrotters and a pro-celebrity golf match with dancing girls. The market is there to be exploited with a massive population base starved of any serious competitive sport whereas Eng, SA, NZ, WI and Australia have top level football, rugby (league and union), athletics etc in competition. If IPL is your cup of tea fair enough but it should not be allowed to kill test cricket-remember world cricket and how that fizzled out as IPL probably (but not definitely) will do.

Posted by acnc on (August 12, 2012, 16:53 GMT)

If I were Jonny Bairstow, I would announce my retirement from all forms of the game...:)

Posted by indianzen on (August 12, 2012, 16:52 GMT)

Now they cant win a single test even against Bangladesh...

Posted by sharidas on (August 12, 2012, 16:50 GMT)

A very unpredictable character. Well ! Sports have always had these eccentrics,some of them self destructive ! Even as the statement came that he wanted to play 20/20 etc, I knew this was coming !

Posted by Nishaj on (August 12, 2012, 16:44 GMT)

Totally disappointed.... Eng will win?? ..

THis is cricket.. No body can stay in form For ever....

KP is not the Perfect solution... Let Baristow start

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:41 GMT)

I accept that Pieterson should not of sent these messages, but everyone seemed to not care that other England players were having a laugh at his expensive with that parody account, and I'm all for team unity but I prefer to watch England win matches, and without KP we will not win matches, unless of course Johnny Bairstow plays like KP did in the 2005 ashes, and the rest of the tea manage to score 300 runs between them for once

Posted by Jester01 on (August 12, 2012, 16:39 GMT)

KP must be thinking: Now where can I get this damn tattoo off my shoulder? He's a great player but English Cricket will be better off without him. Looks like KP's EGO finally caught up with him.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

I would love to know what the content of the SMS's were, to result in a step as drastic as dropping the team's number one batsman on form.

And also how the England team management found out about the SMS's and what the content was?

Either way, the ECB took what I believe to be a courageous yet correct decision in the interests of the team. I somehow suspect though that the proverbial horse may have bolted already.

I just hope that the UK media are not lining this up as the excuse for SA becoming the world number one team. We all know how good they are at finding excuses for things.....

Posted by anuradha_d on (August 12, 2012, 16:31 GMT)

I just read somewhere...they cut their nose to spite their face

Posted by 777aditya on (August 12, 2012, 16:30 GMT)

Tough, brave decision but indeed a laudable effort to emphasize discipline - kudos to the English cricket management. Players nowadays with so much money pouring in their coffers with IPL multiplying the same have started to take certain things for granted. To represent a country in any sport is as big an honor as it is for soldiers on the border. If they do not share the sentiment, they should be shown the door. Talent helps you get noticed, technique earns you plaudits from pundits, but temperament and temperament alone decides if you are just another player. No player was, is, or ever will be bigger than the game itself.

Posted by teo. on (August 12, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

Sadly, the ECB and the England team has been reduced to a comedy show... tsk tsk... cant wait for the next act!! :D

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:23 GMT)

Crumbs...I thought it was a massive about-face by Pietersen to release that apologetic video and that it was enough to mend fences and give the management the ok to include him. Whilst if true, sending derogatory texts about team-mates is poor show, anyone who doesn't mouth off occasionally about colleagues behind closed doors is either a saint or lying. Of course sending them to friends playing on the opposing team is a step up a level as an offense...

Either way - it will now take a monumental effort from the remaining England players to win the final test. Given the attritional tactics of both teams, Pietersen is the only England player capable of playing an attacking innings over a sustained period (Prior still mainly plays cameos) that can change a test match. I can't see England scoring enough runs quickly enough to put the pressure on South Africa unless several players step it up several notches.

So, a late summer test match at Lords? I predict a draw. SA take series 1-0.

Posted by voma on (August 12, 2012, 16:22 GMT)

Kevin Pieterson is becoming a liability , we dont need the hassle . That comes with him , how do the other 10 England players feel about all this . The guy has absolutley no idea how to use the press to his advantage , the majority of England fans have no time left for this fella . Go and disapear to India to make your money .

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:17 GMT)

Well done ECB, ban KP for a year or two! Team at all costs.

Posted by Bodders70 on (August 12, 2012, 16:17 GMT)

His video was well timed to ensure the ECB and Strauss/Flower will look like the bad guys then but despite protestations that text messages are private I can't see how you can allow someone in your team to slag you off to the opposition without taking any action. How he reacts now will determine his future and as for England next week as they'll now be the heavy underdogs you just never know...

Posted by mcsdl on (August 12, 2012, 16:17 GMT)

When England plays South Africa, its more like South Africa vs South Africa A...! Coz when a SouthAfrican dont get selected to their team, they go to England. Some recent examples Andrew Strauss, Kevin Pieterson, Jonathan Trott, Craig Keiswetter, Matt prior they all SouthAfricans... No wonder England are inferior to SouthAfrica...!

Posted by Kirk-at-Lords on (August 12, 2012, 16:16 GMT)

Hopefully ECB is playing the long game, giving KP an opportunity to sort himself at county level. I also hope ECB quietly prepares the sort of man management that is needed to handle stars with egos. Other nations have managed to do so, and it has been critical to their successes or possibility of recovery (IND, SL, AUS, even WI). Otherwise England is doomed to workmanlike mediocrity. KP proved in Sri Lanka recently that this is not enough on the subcontinent. Indeed, against truly fit opposition, it is not enough in English conditions -- what else does his match-saving knock at Headingley signify? This affair remains a dual challenge, for ECB as well as KP. I really hope for the sake of Test cricket and cricket in general that both are up to the challenge. Failure for KP will prove one man's folly, but failure for ECB will mean something much more serious and long-lasting. Consider it a final hurdle for Andy Flower & Co to clear to reach the finishing line of true greatness.

Posted by Beertjie on (August 12, 2012, 16:14 GMT)

Bairstow for Pieterson? Prepare for another Oval-like defeat! I despise KP but Strauss is no leader despite his success over the past few years. Flower, too, has little man-management skill, so we'll see how other prima donnas like Broad fare in the England set-up going forward. Either way the cracks (hidden behind the nostrum "the game is bigger than the individual") simply can't be papered over.

Posted by manav599 on (August 12, 2012, 16:13 GMT)

Oh Dear! How can ECB do this? Peiterson had apologise and fully commited to England. The ECB wanted to show cricket was above individuals and they did prove. Now the just want to show their power. Just when English cricket was on top, ECB might just destroy it again. Piesterson is their best batsmen and they need him to be number 1 in any format of cricket .

Posted by lardster on (August 12, 2012, 16:10 GMT)

Great batsman and the innings of his life last week but bad bad choices off the field. Tries to corner the ECB over his one-day demands and when that backfires he sends his agent to meet them to sort it out. Two bad moves. Gets caught up in a silly Twitter row (stand up the England team followers S, A & B?) and then sends some brain dead texts. Even the nature of his apology was cockeyed, does he really think a Utube video is going to impress the ECB? He might not be the brightest spark but his agent/advisors are a disaster area, this is what they get paid for and look at what they've achieved. Sad story really but ECB has no choice and Dale Steyn must be looking forward to the sight of Jonny Bairstow.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:10 GMT)

If you read Jonathan Agnew's BBC column he was asked to apologise for the text messages and failed to do so and was told not to publish the you tube video and did which was against his contract. If so the ECB would seem to have had little choice but to act

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

what ever is happening its not good for cricket

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

Oh, KP. A contrite - & apparently very sincere - public apology/commitment to everyone in the England camp he'd offended over the past couple of weeks totally undermined by the fact that he'd *already* sent those foolish texts to certain members of the South African team. Did he really expect that such an act would (a) remain secret, & (b) once discovered, go unpunished? Frankly, he deserves what one hopes is only a slap on the wrist rather than a final adieu simply for behaving in such an unbelievably crass & naive manner. Had the devil himself advised him on how best to burn any bridges that remained between himself & the England dressing-room, he really couldn't have done a better job. The mind boggles.

Posted by mcthots on (August 12, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

Players come and go but cricket live forever.... Respect for Andy flower and the co. KP is a just cricketer who has a talent like other cricketers why special treatment for him? This is a team game not a one man show.... I hope he will learn a lesson from this to make sure to live a better life with people around him.

Posted by maddy20 on (August 12, 2012, 16:00 GMT)

England have dropped their no.1 ranking for sure now. How can T20 slogger like Johnny Bairstow replace KP? For a team that has not won any series since they got the No.1 ranking(barring WI) this is a clean case of ECB's ego getting the better of them. They can leak his private coversations with ECB but he can be sacked just for some text msgs, that too uncofirmed. Guilty unless proven innocent huh? I thought it was the other way around.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:59 GMT)

This is how ECB responds to someone accepting their mistake, committing to playing in all three forms of the game and putting aside his desire of playing in the IPL... ECB has shown the kind of inflexibility at least I haven't seen in all my years of watching cricket. Who drops anyone after they've apologized for their behavior?????

Posted by Paulk on (August 12, 2012, 15:55 GMT)

I am disappointed that KP has been dropped because he is such a terrific batsman. But I understand it was the right thing to do at this time. I hope KP comes to his senses, keeps a low profile and is re-integrated into the team eventually.

Posted by siruskharel on (August 12, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

whts going on hahaha england and india cricket board now same same, m not gonna watch england cricket ever from today,same same england crickt board .m thinking eng,aus,nz ,sa boards r g8 but .......u r not g8 same lik india.i never support england and never watch englands game

Posted by vrn59 on (August 12, 2012, 15:52 GMT)

Woah, tough decision by the ECB! It's a brave decision, considering that England need to win next week's Test to retain their No. 1 ranking. It'll be considerably harder to do so without their Man of the Match from the previous Test! Hopefully, one of Jonny Bairstow and James Taylor will click; going with two inexperienced middle-order bastmen is a sure gamble! I would've considered Eoin Morgan who is at least more experienced than these two, but it's a great chance for these young guys to establish themselves! As for the bowling, Swann will be back for sure, and I'd expect Bresnan to be left out for Finn, but you can never be sure... SA look way stronger going into the match... Alviro Petersen's return to full fitness in a couple of days will end their injury troubles and they will be raring to go!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:49 GMT)

Though I had been raising my voice about the impact of ECB's selection policies on their local talent, the latest KP episode makes me feel that they (ECB) are caught between a Super-Star Cricketer (a South African Import) and a powerful Coach (a Zimbabwean import). The latest move seems to strengthen the hands of the latter, further. Though I am in favour of teaching the spoiled-brat-of-a-super-star a lesson, let me give a note of warning. Though a strong coach is desirable; the line between a strong and an omnipotent coach is quite thin. Once the Board let the coach cross that line, they are creating a Frankenstein monster. India learnt it the hard way through Greg Chappel episodes, and NZ will soon learn it through their Buchanan experiment. So, a little more finesse is warranted in handling such situations; such super-conflicts. Hope ECB has men of vision & wisdom.

Posted by rpko on (August 12, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

KP seems to be getting better by the day in terms of cricketing skills. But, the great man seems to have been ill advised and seems to have lost grip on some of the other mundane things in life! It is a shame, a great loss to cricket followers all over the world. Hope things will get sorted out soon..

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

Bold move by the ECB. Pietersen played a fantastic innings in the last test, and would have given the RSA bowlers a few scars. But he's an idiot. It was just too much for KP to tow the team line. It'll be interesting to see if he spits the dummy completely now. Don't like the inclusion of Bairstow as his replacement though. What does James Hildreth have to do to get some recognition for his run scoring for Somerset over the past few years (even if he plays half of his games at Taunton). Bairstow's a good young player who has a bright future, but he has a suspect technique, especially against the short ball and he needs more work.

Posted by Manush on (August 12, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

I expected this twist. He has been singled out. Though he is at fault for his emotional outburst one can look at the positive effect of this unsung hero who was the main architect in making England No. 1 team from the ruins and bottom rank.Very sad development . Hope this drama will end with this test only.

Posted by shubham3 on (August 12, 2012, 15:46 GMT)

I just do not understand one thing ,How a player can be so uncomfortable & insecure with his teammates.I just believe all 3 parties are responsible are in this thing 1.[Kevin Pietersen] has been playing International /cricket for quite a few years now.He decided to play for England.He should have solved his problem in more mature way 2.[Andy Flower & team management] just appears to be to bossy to me.They should respect a players freedom and should not force any person esp. their biggest match winner to abide by all (I said all) rules.Players should feel comfortable with them to solve their problems. 3.[ECB] What the hell were they doing all the way through.They have made mess of TV Broadcasting.They started T20 and are now lagging far behind and making too much interference in player's tweets but still cannot control a team rift

ECB should have taken action against KP but in a better and dignified way.They should also give a reality check to team management and themselves

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

Indian Cricket must learn from ECB and for that matter every cricket nation. Team and the game itself is bigger than the stars or players. You can tolerate every kind of character in your team and that is what good people management is all about but that should not prevent a team to cut loose a star who threatens team unity. Whether England lose or win the next game, this decision is the right one.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

I really believe that ECB has finally done the right thing. Having KP in the side does not guarantee them a win in the Lord's test match and likewise his exclusion does not warrant a defeat. KP needs time to think what he wants to do and by not playing him in the Lord's test match, I believe that the ECB has taken a great step in Cricketing history. Good Luck England.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

If KP sent those texts he needs someone permenantly by his side telling what is and is not approriate. My guess is that KP refused to answer the question as it is the ultimate insult to have to confirm such a report. He is a professional he knows who pays him and knows there are some lines you cannot cross. Telling your opposition that the captain and coach sucks is one such line. By assuming this is true the ECB are saying he is the most unprofessional player it says they do no not believe he has integrity, it says he does not want England to win. It robs KP of the person he believes he is. Innocent until proven guilty would have been a better course of action.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 12, 2012, 15:41 GMT)

As for the squad , I'm really disappointed that with KPs omission Woakes has not been tried. He recently scored 92 vs Australia A and is right up there in the CC batting averages , even if he is mainly a bowling all rounder. They could have gone 5/1/5 without losing any batting , I mean is Bairstow batting better than Woakes at the moment? I think my team for the next test (from this squad) would be Strauss,Cook,Trott,Bell,Taylor,Prior,Bres,Broad,Swann,Anderson, Onions or Finn. Presuming we're going for the rigid/unambitious 6/1/4 formation my bowlers would probably be Anderson,Broad,Onions,Swann

Posted by Rahulbose on (August 12, 2012, 15:39 GMT)

Well done ECB, choosing team unity and showing KP his place in the dressing room is a bold and correct move. Hope Eng team will rally and win the final test.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

I'm getting tired of everybody saying England are losing because of this, that and KPs. Give some credit SA have played better. The England bowlers have not fired is that KP's Fault or good batting from SA? They have won maybe 5 sessions out of a possible 15 if that. England could possibly have done some things better but they didn't because they were playing against a good side that can apply pressure and take the chances given them.

The KP side show is robbing the fans of what should hvae been the series of the last two years. ECB greed denied us 5 tests to really so who is best. A few rain showers and its over for england.South Africa is not given credit becasue its England not playing to there best as opposed to SA having some really good players that outplayed there opponent..

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:37 GMT)

ECB.. Dont exclude him from Indian Tour and make the Series totally One-sided.....

Posted by sudheercric on (August 12, 2012, 15:37 GMT)

Hahahaha....England have dig their own pit of losing No.1 by leaving their one and only counter-attacking batsman. Dropping their effective batsman for some small comments is absolutely ridiculous

Posted by getsetgopk on (August 12, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

And yes, just as I said in the very beginning of all this, this thing is going to end ugly and it has. I'm amazed at myself, Im never wrong LOL But seriously, England should forget about KP and KP should stop abusing the mere fact that he is a good batsman which he'll do now anyways as he's lost it all and I dont feel sorry for him either, brought it all on himself, very well done ECB, KP has always been a selfish character, a half apology with out clearing whatever he said about his team mates in texts, and when he said 'It feels good when thousands of people cheer KP, KP... in IPL but here saying I got the real happiness while playing for England, a guy that can never be trusted!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

As wallster says, private messages are no business of an employer. The ECB have no right to see KP's private messages to SA, and no right to sack someone for sticking to his principles.

Whatever you think of KP, he's been very badly treated here. He's tried to meet them halfway, but they've sacked him over gossip, and his refusal to make private conversations public.

Posted by boxer44 on (August 12, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

I cant believe a true cricket fan would have sided with KP in this ordeal, he is an egotistical sorry excuse for a person . Good riddance he made his bed now he will be made to lie in it.

Posted by JG2704 on (August 12, 2012, 15:32 GMT)

This is extremely disappointing news and I must admit I'm really shocked. I must admit I felt extremely positive about it all last night but on hindsight maybe (behind closed doors) he had overstepped the mark like never before which is why he went so far in his apology. I now wonder what the next step will be and how KP will now react to all this and whether he feels he has done all he can to put things right or whether he wants to play for England again so badly that he can talk again with ECB/Flower/Strauss and whoever. I don't have all the facts of what has been said in the texts or behind closed doors so I can't comment on whether Engs reaction is OTT or warranted. All I can say is that as a fan I feel sad that KP will not be involved in this next test and will unlikely play in the T20 WC and I do feel our chances of retaining the T20WC and levelling the SA series are reduced by his absence.

Posted by Long-Leg on (August 12, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

I'm with the ECB on this. The best thing that could happen now is for England to win at Lord's and show that they can do it without KP. As any ex pro will tell you; you're a long time retired. It might make Kevin realise that he needs England more than they need him.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (August 12, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

Again I am left suprised by this story, in all honesty I have not read all the details of the text issue as by that stage I was bored of it. Kevin has apologised for his peurile outburst post Headingley but it was via You tube a bit like telling your wife you're leaving her for her mom by text . He has been left out to teach him a lesson presumably and the result of the Lords test is secondary to team unity. It will be a big call for young Jonny Bairstow but with the likes of him and Taylor this is a forward looking selection more long term as I do not expect to be able to save the series. I am not sure how I feel about this as against such fine opposition you need your best 11 but on the other hand team spirit is the prominent factor. Hopefully he will be selected in the future as I do love it when he clicks.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

what is going on with English cricket ! . It saddens me that a player like kevin pietersen is dropped for inappropriate and egoistic reasons.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

what is going on with English cricket ! . It saddens me that a player like kevin pietersen is dropped for inappropriate and egoistic reasons.

Posted by cricketloverw12 on (August 12, 2012, 15:28 GMT)

Well played England. If the team can't bear him, and he refuses to deny sending texts to SA players doing down Strauss and Flower, than clearly there was no way he could be selected. Man City may choose to pick Tevez ('he'll never play again for Man City while I'm here' - Mancini), that's their choice. Who sleeps easier, Flower or Mancinii?

Posted by TurningSquare on (August 12, 2012, 15:26 GMT)

For those of you who think there is no-one to replace KP then you clearly haven't seen the true destructive ability of ENGLISH players such as Bairstow (to replace him in tests) and Jos Buttler who should take his spot in ODI's and T20's. I can't believe the hatred aimed toward English cricket when did we say we wanted foreign players in our side can't wait to see a completely English side.

Posted by biffo1963 on (August 12, 2012, 15:25 GMT)

Perhaps KP will now realise that you don't mess with Andy Flower. You would think he would know that already, but......

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:23 GMT)

So the selectors won't drop out-of-form Swann in favour of Panesar; and now the muppets drop our best batsman in favour of a guy who failed against the Windies......SIGH

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:22 GMT)

Onething is confirm that England wont be at No.1 after 3rd test! Thanks to ECB- KP wont be in centre!

Posted by keptalittlelow on (August 12, 2012, 15:21 GMT)

With KP out of this side South Africa will now be the Number 1 in the ICC test rankings, they are more deserving than England.

Posted by GeorgeWBush on (August 12, 2012, 15:21 GMT)

I will be curious to see if KP has been dropped permanently or whether he will return to play for England in the future once the dust has settled. I don't think either KP or the ECB come out of this with much credit. I'm sure all cricket fans love to watch Pietersen bat when he is on song and it is a shame if he doesn't make peace with the ECB but he does have to realise that he cannot undermine the captain and the management. Part of being a member of a team is to give up caring about yourself and to put the team first. I don't think there is any question that Pietersen trains as hard as anyone, or that he gives his all on the field. It is just that he keeps creating off-field distractions through his twitter account, promotion of the IPL and now these text that undermine what the England team are trying to do.

I do have a lot of sympathy regarding the schedule though. Was the ODI tour to India necessary or the 3 match series this summer against Aus?

Posted by FunkyRaj on (August 12, 2012, 15:21 GMT)

Hmm, I'm all for discipline but the ECB seem to have double standards when it comes to KP. I don't really have much interest in what England get up to in the 3rd test match and can't see them winning. Congratulations to South Africa on their impending and well earned rise to to top of the test rankings - I say this as a British citizen!

Posted by hampshirehawk on (August 12, 2012, 15:20 GMT)

Good to see ECB have balls hope now they leave him out of t20 as well.

Posted by cricraz on (August 12, 2012, 15:18 GMT)

Thanks to ECB, England will get thrashed in India because the only player who can genuinely destroy indian spin attack is out of the side. ECB is egoistical, stiff organization that still cant get over the fact that world cricket is dominated by India. They want to prevent their players playing in IPL and hope to reduce the global appeal of IPL. Unfortunately the only english players who can play in the IPL are KP and probably stuart broad and now thanks to bone headed decisions by ECB, KP will be available for the full IPL season. Prediction, England will be ranked below 5 in all formats of the game by the end of 2013!!! Anyone want a wager on that?

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:16 GMT)

Sad to see another country robbing the fans of one of their better and arguably their best player, just to show who is "rules". Playing the game of cricket, in many places is not what it used to be anymore, sad to say.

Posted by 1MAK7 on (August 12, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

Another Chris Gayle type situation. Whenever he is back he will show what a gaping hole there was when he was out of the team!! Way to go ECB. It makes WICB feel like winners!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:12 GMT)

starting to look like a new Gayle vs WICB saga about to unfold....these players and their egos and these boards and their egos...oh well lets see how this one goes

Posted by allblue on (August 12, 2012, 15:12 GMT)

Undermining your coach and captain to your opponents in the middle of a series is unforgivable behaviour. The ECB had no choice here, they gave him every chance but he's blown it. A divided dressing room wins nothing, and I expect to see a stronger and more committed England performance at Lords, although probably their best chance of winning is if the Saffers are still laughing so hard at how easily they got KP to self-destruct. Thanks for your efforts KP, but now you can run off and join the circus, and if I was you I would have a serious think about replacing your advisers because whatever advice they've been giving you they have just watched you destroy your cricket career.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:11 GMT)

I haven't stopped laughing since I heard the news about KP. The England selectors have shot themselves (and their team) in the foot. As a South African I want to thank them wholeheartedly for handing us the third test on a platter (KP's Head) and giving us both a 2 - 0 series victory and the NO 1 test ranking place in World cricket. Furthermore my Aussie relatives will be rubbing their hands with glee because the psychological damage the selectors have inflicted on their team will put Australia in pole position to take back the Ashes next year. If there had been proper man-management in the England set up, this would never have developed to crisis proportions.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:08 GMT)

"A fundamental item was to confirm publicly that no derogatory texts had been sent by Kevin to the South African team.

"This has not been forthcoming despite clear timelines being set to allow the selectors to pick the squad for the third Investec Test. We provided an additional six hours this morning to provide every opportunity for agreement to be reached but regrettably this has not been possible."

from the ECB!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

The ECB wants to desperately tell the world that the game is larger than any individual, however talented. While that is a noble sentiment and Pietersen is no saint, he is like Warne , a talented, high maintenance individual who can win games for you - in any format. He has apologised. The ECB could have been graceful about it but they have closed their ranks and the team and the ranking will suffer as a result. I am sure England is a far less potent side without KP and an extremely boring one now. I wish that England loses their number one ranking in every format and mark my words , they will soon lose that. Of course Flower and co have done a good, possibly even great job but the challenge is to deal with the tantrums of talented individuals. They have stood on their high horse . You deserve what you are going to get England and Bairstow will soon realize that the proteas are slightly different from Australia A Ramanujam sridhar

Posted by yocasi on (August 12, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

As a Windies fan, I fully support the ECB's decision. Whenever players are allowed to run amok, TEAM performance ultimately suffers. When player X is allowed to get away with it, how does management tell player Y that he can't?West Indians who lambast the WICB, please take note and advise your Gayles and Sarwans that the days of tail wagging dog are fast coming to an end.

Posted by sonicattack on (August 12, 2012, 15:06 GMT)

England once again fail to manage a star player.

Posted by KingOwl on (August 12, 2012, 15:05 GMT)

The England (or South African, depending on perspective) star is replaced by a guy called Jonny! How ironic!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:05 GMT)

If Pietersen played for South Africa, he won't face this IPL problem. South Africa cricket board is hugely in favor to IPL. Soiuth Africa and Sri Lanka cricket boards take great care to let their players play the whole IPL every year. The best way to make a player play good cricket for your country - Let him earn his bucks and build a happy home and enjoy luxurious tours with family, and he'll surely play good cricket for your country. :)

Posted by Themba on (August 12, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

All of a sudden I like KP. SA to win 2-0. Go Proteas

Posted by AvidCricFan on (August 12, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

No individual player is above the country, game or the team. ECB has taken right decision. It may be a temporary set back, but will benefit England in the long run. If ECB had tolerated KP's behavior, more will take such things as granted. I applaud ECB's decision.

Posted by mahjut on (August 12, 2012, 15:01 GMT)

this is my first dilema of the series...i have always supported SA (matter of geographical habbit) but seeing England win this game after dropping KP would also be a pleasant experience...mmm....

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

A uniquely English habit of grinding a dissenter out of the system.

Posted by Penny on (August 12, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

And all this because England bosses cannot come to grips with the reality of IPL and Indian success! :)

Posted by NaniIndCri on (August 12, 2012, 15:00 GMT)

All Hail the Lord "A.H"Flower

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

KP lost his place because of his outburst - Cricket would loose a good and aggressive player, He not only plays aggressively one the field, but was aggressive off the field also. This is certainly a loss to the cricketing loving public, and in particular to England.

Posted by tommyhawk on (August 12, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

You know I'm becoming more convinced than ever that as societies we should do away with all laws and rules. Let people do as they like. Whether it is the president, prime minister, maid, farmer, whoever. There should be no rules to govern proper behaviour. Let Cricketer A does as he pleases. Let Cricketer B does as she pleases. Ban all judges, jails and rules. Open the prisons and let all prisoners out and we will have a nice happy global society!

Posted by 158notout on (August 12, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

Interesting to read that most people in support of Kp who think the ECB are mad are fans from the Subcontinent, whereas most English fans and those of other "Western" nations back the ECB. This highlights the differing attitude to sports in each country. The ECB are absolutely spot on here, and to be honest it does not really matter if we lose the #1 ranking over it because in the long run it will make the TEAM stronger. We may drop to #2 after the next Test but will be far more likely to make a swift return to winning ways than otherwise. Those that think we should pander to the star players should look at the impact that has had on their own teams. Regardless of the rankings and individual worth of the players it is the TEAM that comes first. OK, it has not always been that way, just ask Boycs, but that is what Englands incredible success has been based on.

Posted by RaneshFernando on (August 12, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

Shame on ECB! SA will rise to No:1 ranking after the lord's test..! KP is the best & the consistent batsman for ENG in all formats..

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:54 GMT)

is there ever a possibility dat kp can reconcile and gain the lost intimacy with ecb and the players ??? i dont think so !

Posted by CHINAMAN_UK on (August 12, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

Without doubt England will be poorer cricketing wise without KP, BUT one has to admire the establishment for taking a stance. Social media makes it easy for people to make a mockery of their working relationships .. with their team members and management, any one expects better discipline from it's leaders. KP is an excellent cricketer, unfortunately like Gayle he may need to spend time away from representing his country for a while . He should perhaps now focus on playing in the likes of IPL and other equivalent tournaments.

Posted by jagmagh on (August 12, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

While I am no fan of the ECB or English cricket in general, i think this is just the kind of decision that can spark the rest of the team (especially the batsmen - Cook, Strauss and Trott) into giving a really strong performance in the 3rd test. Cant wait for the test to start.

Posted by kallis57 on (August 12, 2012, 14:50 GMT)

Well done the ECB - I take it everyone saying that has money on the Proteas come Thursday? Or are South Africa or both. Since when was disagreeing with your boss a sacking offence? Andy Flower, the principled one apparently has very thin skin. Oh no nasty Kevin said rude things about me, make him apologise or don't let play. What a crybaby. Seriously this man is allowed a position of power.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

This is ridiculous! I never expected KP to do what he did, apologize. Knowing KP I know what a tremendous effort it must have been on KP's part to bring himself to do so, and what does he get in return? Omission. I have been very critical of KP's actions and have completely supported ECB's stance, but I just don't get this.

Posted by dabhand on (August 12, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

I find it amazing that there are those who are willing to support KP no matter what he does / doesn't do and would be willing to upset an entire team just to let him play - but I guess it's easy to understand, those that are willing to do so don't actually have to carry the can.

If KP playing guaranteed England winning we wouldn't have lost the first test against SA or any other test he's played in.

Even if England lose, doesn't mean they would have won with him playing - South Africa have a good team and will be doing all they can to draw/win and become #1 and they are focused, no hissy fits, no I'm in / out / amateur dramatics - just teamwork.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

And with it England fulfill my year long dream of losing the no.1 test ranking... hope to see the same in ODIs as well..

Posted by the_wallster on (August 12, 2012, 14:48 GMT)

@the_wallster - *since when does your boss have a right to know what you do in private?

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

Kevin Pieterson clearly knows he has made the biggest mistake of his life by retiring prematurely and the ECB are having the last laugh now because the other day he admitted that he wants to play in all forms again. KP is a great player no doubt about that but England probably have done the sensible thing because no player is bigger than the game and the proof was there when England whitewashed Australia 4-0 in the recent ODI Series without KP. Its all about the young players now because experienced older players of England will one day have to leave the game so England have made gone into the right direction by giving the younger guys a chance even though they may lose the next Test match because even the England team itself know that South Africa is simply on another level so they're probably not too worried dropping down a ranking. Infact England are 1st in ODIs and 2nd in T20s so they're probably not at all worried because they're right up there so they're clearly aware of things.

Posted by S.Jagernath on (August 12, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

Great job by the ECB.There should be zero tolerance for a lack of discipline!

Posted by applethief on (August 12, 2012, 14:46 GMT)

Come on guys, let's hear what you think: would any other English player be subject to the "guilty until proven innocent" test that KP has been?

Posted by Hillaire on (August 12, 2012, 14:45 GMT)

As much as I love KP if he did send derogatory texts about his captain to the opposition then he does not deserve any sympathy and well done to the ECB in putting cricket above personal glory.

Posted by bumsonseats on (August 12, 2012, 14:45 GMT)

this just goes on for ever an ever. i cannot or want him back. if he was asked re the texts to explain and has not, then its bye bye KP. can anyone explain why a cricketer would text the team they are playing to be test #1 with derogatory comments about his captain and coach. iv watched cricket for over 45 years, and iv never heard the like. or as fred trueman would have said. i dont know whats happening here

Posted by prashnottz on (August 12, 2012, 14:44 GMT)

Brilliant stuff from KP..

Now he can accuse ECB of not selecting him despite being available.. and use that excuse to participate in the IPL...

Posted by SL-ENG on (August 12, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

Looks like an error made by a nation that has excelled in the world for management, especially sports management who has seen Olympic glory beyond expectations. We hate to see cricketing days of England going back to the late nineties and the early part of last decade. Good luck England, but you dropped the wrong guy at the wrong time! WICB did the same with Chris Gayle. Accepting an apology is a gentleman's quality and cricket is supposed to be a gentlemen's game, gentlemen!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

South Africa is the winner. May be that they plotted the whole thing.

Posted by agent001 on (August 12, 2012, 14:38 GMT)

Well done ECB. You showed KP who is boss is. No individual is bigger than the team. One would expect that greedy behavior from the sub-continent players, not from the gentleman of the British empire.

Posted by yoogi on (August 12, 2012, 14:38 GMT)

So after Gail and WICB, now ECP & Kp will get their due share in all non-cricket cricket talks.

Posted by amk232 on (August 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

I dont think one person can make all the difference all the time. Cricketing nations have survived without the players those seemed indispansible at one time.

Posted by Lloydy10 on (August 12, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

Good decision by ECB. You cannot have one player, no matter how good that player is undermining the management of the team. The team ethic is vitally important - that's why its a team game. If they lose the #1 spot, it won't only be because of Pietersen, South Africa have been the better team in both the Test's so far. The media though will jump on the band wagon and state it is solely to do with missing Pietersen. Take nothing away from South Africa, that deserve #1.

Posted by Indus11 on (August 12, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

" . . . the thing with genius is - you can not control it. Those that govern genius are often at odds - because they value their authority over genius. They are a gang. In gang behavior, they exonerate each other of any and all guilt and feel no remorse. The Cricket fan is the loser - even more so than genius."

Aristotle of Stagirra to Alexander.

- Circa 346 B.C.

Posted by Baundele on (August 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

Can someone confirm if KP can be selected for South Africa in this test? It could be real fun. :D

Posted by Muhtasim13 on (August 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

Ok, dropping KP was fine. But replacing him with Bairstow is hilarious. They have basically left the door open for SA to clinch the top spot in tests.

Posted by TheCricketLady on (August 12, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

Jeez... I thought I had my daily fill of controversy with the Gayle-WICB saga! KP is really making a mess of what I hoped would be a great series... I've seen enough of his tweets to know he needs to let his ego down a bit. Why doesn't he not make a big deal of being South African and just play the game he's so talented at? Brilliant move by the ECB, dropping him. That'll show him who's boss. South Africa should just br glad they didn't get stuck with him!

Posted by Baundele on (August 12, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

Cricket is not a players' game, it is played by cricket administrators.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

Firstly I want to say that as a professional cricketer a player must behave in a decent and professional manner which KP has not. He keeps changing his mind. One minute he wants to play the next minute he doesn't. This is bad for morale in the England camp and one man who thinks he is bigger than the team has NO place in the team. Us who work and have real jobs know that if you are derisive towards another member of staff you will either get a warning or be sacked. Same should apply to KP. A lot of you claim KP is single handedly holding up England's ranking. Well you people clearly don't know anything about Cricket. If you recall it was England's bowlers that were the main reason they won in Australia and against India at home. The batsman didn't have to do too much. KP scored 149 in the last test. Yeh so what. He hadn't scored big runs for quite sometime anyway.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (August 12, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

There's no doubt that Morris, Miller, Flower and others have been hard at work behind the scenes, hence the delay in the announcement of the squad for Lord's this week. So, in the end it came down to the notorious texts KP fired off to his Saffer buddies, the content of these not having been revealed. Last evening, the cricket world, outside the ECB inner sanctum, believed that the slate had been wiped clean. Now we know it wasn't & that KP did not inform his employers of his change of heart before posting his apologetic statement on YouTube and cannot, or will not, clear up the texts issue. I assumed that he had spoken to Hugh Morris as a matter of course (but assume = an ASS of U + ME), because that is what normal adults do - but KP doesn't. Ah well, just for a few hours things seemed brighter. Where now? Nothing until the contents of the texts has been made available, I suspect. They are quite likely to be damning so that may not happen - & that's the end of KP's England career..

Posted by cloudmess on (August 12, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

Well, we've just handed SA a series victory. Bairstow made the WI medium pacers look like Garner and Marshall, so he's bound to do well against Steyn & co. But the most important thing of all is that the little men who run the ECB have not had their feathers ruffled. I feel much happier knowing that. We should go back to the 1990s when it was run like an old boy's club. That was such a golden time for English cricket. Bring back Brian Bolus!

Posted by bobmartin on (August 12, 2012, 14:29 GMT)

All you KP adorers..who think he is God's gift to cricket and that without him England will lose the next test.. perhaps you've forgotten that your great man did not win us a single test in the UAE where I think he had one of the lowest averages of the batters.... He managed to help us win 1 out of 2 in Sri Lanka.. and so far we haven't beaten the Sth Africans.. so why would his presence make any difference to the final test on starting Thursday. He is not the be all and end all of cricket batsmen although to hear you lot you'd think he can win tests on his own...Get real..

Posted by NXT_Gen on (August 12, 2012, 14:29 GMT)

Hold On.. I just feel the idea of omitting KP from squad is to set example for future English Cricket??? For me ECB should tolerate the KP factor.. coz he is one f the extraordinary talent of current era.. I can't still understand why ECB trying to make quick and stubborn decisions.. Current English squad is no way near past Australia which dominated Cricket for nearly 15 odd years!! Same case once happened to them also, they fired SYMONDS who was winning tight matches for them that time,, but still they won many games without him since they had awesome balance in the team.. But here Without KP,, Lineup is rubbish they can't play well in pressure situations!! even they know it...

Posted by francoscot on (August 12, 2012, 14:28 GMT)

It seems most of the avid KP supporters are not England supporters. I agree England may be the poorer without him this week but it is probably for the best things are allowed to settle down before he goes back into any dressing room.If he throws the toys out of the pram again,which I suspect he might do, then we are better off without the ego which is KP. Personally I haven't forgotten he opted to come home in the middle of the World Cup in India when he was told he was fit to finish the tournament.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 12, 2012, 14:28 GMT)

On a side note, this is good news for Australia A. The only centurion from the first Lions game will now be unavailable for the second game. It will be interesting to see who comes in in his stead. Jos Buttler maybe? I doubt that Somerset would be thrilled given that they may have lost Compton due to an injury sustained in the first game. Perhaps someone from Lancs to offset Worcs losing Phil Hughes to Aus A? Maybe Bopara will be over his personal issues by then.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

poor thing by ecb they are going to loose an aggression to the team when they require..he is a very talented player..dont miss him ecb..please soon solve all the issues and pick him in the odis and t20s against south africa..and also in world t20...:(

Posted by aarfeen on (August 12, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

k.p dropped...without k.p england are like..... west indies without gayle..its matter of time when eng ll realise that ...1st. only couple of days left when they ll loose their no.1 spot ...less than 2 month left when t-20 ll go.... test series in india (ofcourse) india are ready to take last years revenge follwed by more to come....dont worry ...k.p dropped & eng downfall starts .....

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (August 12, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

My England XI for Lords: Andrew Strauss, Alastair Cook, Jonathan Trott, Ian Bell, James Taylor, Matt Prior, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, James Anderson, Steven Finn. I do like Graham Onions, but I don't think England should leave out Bresnan or Broad at this stage, and Finn just squeezes in there ahead of Onions IMO. After this series with SA, I really hope England consider Woakes for position 5 or 6. Really shocked at Pietersen's omission! Can't stand the guy's attitude (as evident in my earlier posts), but damn he's talented!

Posted by venky91 on (August 12, 2012, 14:26 GMT)

England selector thinks too much of themselves.On the field they r struggling with the presence of KP and England will sink further without KP. bad bad bad bad move.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:25 GMT)

After his 100 tests the Captain also needs to be sacked. It is a long tine since he contributed anything useful. Will he last in premier division foot ball if he dod not perform for a long time. He may a good diplomat. Then he should look for a jon in the high commissions, embassies of this world. He can't handle his own player and a diplomat. Delibrately stopping Pieterson bowling when needed only shows how much he hates pieterson and arrogancy.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:24 GMT)

Good riddance, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The example of the West Indies comes to mind - talented but indisciplined individuals dragging down team performance, and then when they go on strike or retire, the replacements actually do better, despite being lesser players.

His form has been spotty anyway, so his place was not assured - and the last match typified his contributions of late, the odd brilliant performance hiding lots of poor ones.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:24 GMT)

Good job ECB selectors. It just goes to show you that you can make bold decisions unlike BCCI. Whether, its the descipline or poor performance. NO player is bigger than the game, not even Sir Don Bradman. Even though KP is England's best players, its good that someone else get that chance. KP shouldn't have done what he did over the past few weeks or so. He should of discussed it in private with EBC selectors, and the team management. Have a time off KP and think hard of what you did and hopefully you"ll become a better person on and off the field. This dropping, i hope, will teach him a lesson or two.

Posted by epochery on (August 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

Clealrly the right decision to drop KP, this is a team game and he isnt part pof the team he isnt in the team simple. Wrong decision with Bairstow though, I feel Woakes or MOrgan would have been the better option. Now KP admit your texts, appologise to the team and be a professional.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 12, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

England will win or lose this upcoming Test but cricket and England cricket will go on regardless. KP being dropped from the Test side has nothing really to do with anything that went before. It has to do with whether or not he bad-mouthed his own captain and coach to the opposition. An accusation has been made and it appears that a simple "no I didn't" from KP would have ended the whole affair. If he in fact did not send such messages then I wish he had just said so and it is a real shame that he won't play as a result. If he did send such messages then it is wholly appropriate that he be reprimanded in such a fashion and it's hard to see how he could come back into the team and they carry on like nothing happened. If he really did do what is suggested then I'm happy for him to be dropped permanently, even if it means the team's results may suffer for a while. If he didn't do what is suggested then why didn't he just say so?

Posted by albadinu on (August 12, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

There goes the No.1 ranking!

Posted by Narkovian on (August 12, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

Looks like most pro KP comes from subcontinent posters. Looks like KP is about as popular in the ENG dressing room as a .. better not say here ! If you have ever played in a TEAM then you will know that this is not acceptable. Sure you all ( we too) like to see him play. But this is best thing ECB could have done. NO-ONE, especially someone like KP is above the game or the team. Well done ECB. Anyway.. you IPL fans.. you can have him 24/7 now. We in ENG blv it or not will not miss him much, or indeed watch IPL any more than we didnt before.!

Posted by tinysteelorchestra on (August 12, 2012, 14:17 GMT)

I can respect what message the ECB are trying to put across, but I think it's a mistake and a shame. Certainly don't give England much chance at Lord's without him - but then I thought that during the 2009 Ashes too...

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 12, 2012, 14:14 GMT)

To all those saying that this is a bad move by the ECB, if you were the captain or coach of a professional team and a player in that team had sent derogatory comments about you to your opposition, are you saying that you would be happy to simply ignore it and carry on as though nothing had happened? Even if they did do that and manage to retain the #1 ranking, do you really think that the dressing room would remain an amicable place where the captain, coach and that player could all retain the respect of the team? If KP didn't send such messages then apparently all he had to do was say so, which he has apparently failed to do. Some say that KP has apologised but I'm not sure that he has. he has retracted his original position but that is not an apology. That doesn't bother me especially but if he did bad mouth his own team to the opposition then that does bother me and it should bother everyone. I hope he didn't do that but, if he did, this is the right decision, even if they lose.

Posted by kjkool82 on (August 12, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

I cannot believe the people that have come out and blasted the ECB over this. Surely if KP had not sent the texts in questions, then he would have come out straight away and said that he had not said them. By not saying anything despite being given a 6 hour window to me shows he did indeed send them, and then in that case there is no way he can play. How can you pick a man that is openly talking out against his own captain and coach to the oposition?? A bold decision that has been a long time coming. Every time something didnt go KP's way, his response was to spit the dummy. It has previously cost him the captaincy, and now it has possibly cost him his England career. If he is not careful it could end up costing him his IPL golden egg and then he will be in real trouble.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

Goodbye No1! the stuffy ECB shoot themselves in the foot again, The majority of England fans back KP!. I wonder if the Ecb has been getting advice from the West indies cricket board

Posted by kh1902 on (August 12, 2012, 14:11 GMT)

Right decision by the ECB. Pietersen doesn't seem to care about the team and should be booted out for good. He has no allegiance to England and wouldn't behave like this if he was playing for South Africa.

Posted by Stark62 on (August 12, 2012, 14:10 GMT)


He retired from the limited format, talked about retiring in Tests, then came out of retirement from the ODI's & T20's and will now retire permanently?!?!

Imagine, all that within a month too!!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:09 GMT)

This is such a sorry saga, both sides will be losers. England are a poorer team without him, KP may not be able to cement his place amongst the greats of the game. As a keen observer of the game I cannot see Pietersen playing for England ever again, too much damage has been done on both sides. Poor management by England, KP poorly advised by his "team".

Posted by Humdingers on (August 12, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

Nice. Looking forward to the follow up to "text-gate"! They are both teapots.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (August 12, 2012, 14:07 GMT)

This is rather sad. After KP basically backing off from his earlier position I was hopeful that the healing process could begin, perhaps even with a gesture from the ECB where they could look at accommodating some of what he was after in the first place. Not that they should let him retire from ODIs or play a full IPL but maybe give him some assurances that they would look to give him a bit more rest in future. Now after it seemed that the worst was behind us, he gets dropped from the one team that he said that he definitely wanted to play in through the whole affair. I can understand the ECB's position though. Especially after KP's rather public issues with Peter Moore's, it's important that they know that there is no open dissension against the current captain and coach. If KP knew that and all he had to do was say "no I did not send derogatory text messages" and he didn't say that then either he did send such messages or he's a fool for falling at the final hurdle.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 14:06 GMT)

Oh wow! Kevin thought that by coming out of retirement and listening to the ECB from now onwards will guarantee a spot for him in all the matches. But looks like his idea backfired on him. Now he's in big trouble.

Posted by Herbet on (August 12, 2012, 14:05 GMT)

What a plank. Well done Kevin. We were sailing a long quite nicely there. 2-0 to SA the only result now.

Posted by jackthelad on (August 12, 2012, 14:05 GMT)

Can't tell yet if this is a slap on the wrist or the genuine kiss-off, but in any case Pietersen has done his level best to make himself unpickable for any side built on teamwork. As for his short-sighted adulators, Pietersen performs when it has become essential for him to do so, otherwise he coasts; I've been saying for three years or more that I wouldn't have him in any team of mine, however talented he is, and at last the ECB have caught on. This is not about the next Test, which is just one match, it is about reconstituting the Team England belief in the dressing-room which recent shenanigans revolving around the Great Batsman have steadily eroded.

Posted by AnotherCricketFan on (August 12, 2012, 14:04 GMT)

KP is a distraction. But at the same time, he has the right to complain about his workload and earning potential. England may have given him a platform to showcase his talent but now he is the crowd puller not ECB none of the other English players have that effect.

England may have to find an excuse for their decline, and eventual loss of #1 status. I believe, the management (both team and the administration) is setting up KP to be fingered at for their loss of #1 status. What a egoistic administration that does not worry about the millions of English fans and followers and their pride about England being #1.

One understands that KP alone did not achieve it. But KP was a key part of it. May be they are betting that Cook, Bell and Strauss may pull a win despite KP's absence and diminish his 'market value'. It is a perfect stage. But if they fail for lack of the extra player - Man ECB will be seen as a bunch of clowns along with its coach and team management.

But KP will be blamed.

Posted by albadinu on (August 12, 2012, 14:01 GMT)

There goes the No.1 ranking!

Posted by TheMysteryMan on (August 12, 2012, 14:00 GMT)

And here I was thinking WICB had more weird people in charge.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

ha ha ha ha if kp is not in england they will be crushed by the south africans mercilessly hope will see a new leader in icc test rankings

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

Totally fed-up with this ridiculous squabbling when there's a vital test match to focus on. Once again its KP v the management, or more precisely ego v petulance. Congrats in advance to South Africa who will undoubtedly be World Number One in 8 days time

Posted by disco_bob on (August 12, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

Now when England lose the No.1 ranking it will appear that Pietersen may have kept them up had he played, which works in his favour. Surely if they want him as part of the team in the future he should be a part of it on it's way down as well.

Posted by Unomaas on (August 12, 2012, 13:58 GMT)

I am one of those people that KP rubs the wrong way! I also want to congratulate the ECB for taking such a hard and principle stance. This whole incident was starting to sound like a domestic soap opera with the ECB coming across as the battered wife that just kept coming for more! No matter what anyone says, the England Team as a unit became number 1...not KP by himself. Too all English KP lovers, you are doing your country a disservice. England Cricket is greater than this man's ego. From what I have recently read on these blogs, KP supporters and fanatics want to be entertained...with English cricketing pride taking a second seat to short term vanities. Supporters like that remind me of WWF wrestling fanatics who don't understand the difference between entertainment and sport. I'm bloody glad that as a Saffa I don't have to put up with this man...but then again, in our team he would just have been a freak side note!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

This is very bad for Cricket..... Everyone wants him in Cricket as he is the one who bring lots of life into test cricekt..

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:56 GMT)

i m not gonna watch england cricket ever from today!!!

Posted by the_wallster on (August 12, 2012, 13:55 GMT)

Big mistake. KP has done something he's never done before in the last 24 hours. admitted he's made a mistake, guilt and apologised. The text issue has nothing to do with the ECB. Private messages have nothing to do them. since when does your boss have a right to know what you do in public? This along with the inflexibility over the IPL and ODI/t20 rule, while Pietersen has come off very badly in all this, the ECB have come off worse.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:54 GMT)

Poor KP after his sentimental video still dont find place in the team. Definately KP should have some respect for himself and quite the International cricket for England go back to south Africa and play domestic matches and try to make successful return and his dream to play south africa for atleast 2 years.

Posted by bobmartin on (August 12, 2012, 13:53 GMT)

Well done the ECB.. It might get it into KP's head that he needs England more than they need him. If they had selected him it would merely have shown him that they feel they can't do without him and that all he has to do is click his finger and they'd come running. It'll be interesting to see if he makes the cut for the T20 world cup and if he gets the call for the limited overs games v Sth Africa... and further down the road, whether he gets offered a new contract...

Posted by MianMoosa on (August 12, 2012, 13:52 GMT)

brilliant decision by england management... thats how great teams build make up,,,, they dont compromise on discipline even in matter of player like KP... well done..... they might loose next tst match,,, but they set an example for youngster

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:52 GMT)

Hahahahahaha... Pietersen is out.. If ENG win this test, it will be the very definition of a miracle.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

johnny bairstow in for kp?!! Haha, the downfall of Eng cricket starts here.:P

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

This is ridiculous. England Management flops again and again.....They will loose this test without KP...period...

Posted by AdrianVanDenStael on (August 12, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

It's worth pointing out that this is the first time Pietersen has been dropped from the England test team in his career. KP has no right to feel aggrieved that what happened to Don Bradman after his first test has finally happened to him after 80 odd.

Posted by InnocentGuy on (August 12, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

Hmmm, read "KP dropped for final test" as "ECB drops #1 Test ranking in favor of feeding its own ego".

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

That's What They Called ENGLISHMENS!! Lot To Learn For Others!!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

Congratulations England you just lost your number 1 status... Why? Because of "text messages" SMH.

Posted by ATIMAYANK on (August 12, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

And now he will retire again!

Posted by china_cricket on (August 12, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

haha, i guess i won't be watching KP boom the world's premier fast bowler back over his head to the bounday again, after all....is this a slap on the wrist or the knife between the ribs after confession?

Posted by nathangonmad on (August 12, 2012, 13:49 GMT)

And there goes the number one ranking...Good job Kev.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:48 GMT)

nice move ECB kick a man when he is down! :P

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:48 GMT)

Kevin "Revolving Door" Pietersen

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (August 12, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

KP really needs to focus solely on the IPL. Tournaments like IPL are for players like him. Superstars!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

So good to know that finally SA is going to win the #1 spot! One of the biggest mistakes of ECB.

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

What is going on?

England needs KP they cant compete against RSA without him but however, KP should have stayed in his limits at first, hence KP has only himself to blame for this.

Posted by Wexfordwonder on (August 12, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

Whoa, big big call. If not for KP England would have been hammered in the last test. Time wil tell if this is the undoing of England and their fall from the top could be a long one.

Posted by SurlyCynic on (August 12, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

Dropped over test messages, angry over a spoof twitter account, attempted to unretire via youtube. How childish is all this behaviour? Is this a school team or an international team? Always knew KP would struggle to get back in, Flower doesn't forgive easily - especially after a half-hearted apology via youtube.

Posted by Flat_Track_bullies on (August 12, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

I reckon others will now chip in and play out of their skins and we will win at Lords. Let this be an English win..

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

Good work England!!!!!!!!

Posted by foursandsixes on (August 12, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

What a bunch of cry babies!

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:43 GMT)

Right decision. You cannot treat your team mates like he does.

Posted by hanna1602 on (August 12, 2012, 13:42 GMT)

Pietersen is an absolute fool and I'm very glad they dropped him. You can't go around basically blackmailing the ECB and when you don't get your way, retreat and expect everything to go back to normal. It may mean we lose the last test, but I'd rather lose the test and have a team that wants and deserves to be there, than win with a team that doesn't trust each other.

Posted by frozendilemma on (August 12, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

This is a disgrace...The guy apologized so now move on...geez

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

no kp ???????? definately a auth agrica win ..... ecb porr decisioN .... at first they wanted him to apologiage and now after he apoliged drop him ???? ... still cant imagine about the decisiON

Posted by   on (August 12, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

What a fool. They'll be better off without a muppet like KP in their dressing room.

Posted by Ozcricketwriter on (August 12, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Pietersen should give up on the ECB and go to South Africa.

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