England v SA, 3rd Investec Test, Lord's, 5th day August 20, 2012

Strauss wants to map out future

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Andrew Strauss has no immediate intentions of marking his 100th Test by resigning from the captaincy after England's 2-0 Test series defeat against South Africa, their heaviest defeat in a home Test series for 11 years.

"Hope so," was his brief response when he was asked at the presentation ceremony at Lord's if he wanted to captain England as they try to reclaim the top Test ranking which they have held so shakily for the past year.

But there was little disguising that England's poor performances in their year as Test No 1, his own poor form and the stand-off with Kevin Pietersen, all hang more heavily upon him than he cares to indicate.

Half-an-hour later, pressed whether his enthusiasm for captaincy of the Test side had been galvanised by a spirited run chase on the final day at Lord's, he was more equivocal and declined to reaffirm his desire to remain in the role unconditionally.

"It's probably hard to answer that after the week that's just gone by," he said. "It's been a tiring week. I've great faith in the team; I've great faith in the set-up. I've still got a lot of desire there. I'm keen to get away for a few days and have a bit of a break. Then we all need to sit down - myself and Andy Flower in particular - and try and map out the way forward. I've got great faith in the talent in the dressing room, and also the desire in the dressing room and we're going to need that."

During England's time as No 1, they have lost six of their 11 Tests this year, losing to Pakistan in the UAE and at home to a South Africa side who out-performed them in all facets of the game. The last time England lost a home Test series by more than one match was against Australia, who prevailed 3-1 in the 2001 Ashes.

Strauss, who failed to make a half-century in the series, admitted that it had been a difficult year, one which he would remember: "Not with a great deal of fondness".

He said: "We have had some tough times and I think that is a good thing. Test cricket tests out your character and your resilience. When you are No. 1 people are trying to gun you down and we have come unstuck a few times. I think we have learned a lot along the way.

"We've lost a lot more than we would have wanted to. Maybe that tag of being No 1 hasn't sat as comfortably as it should have done with us. We haven't been in that situation before, and maybe we've learned from some important lessons on how we should approach it in the future. Our first priority is to get back in that situation.

"Whether it was because of a change of mindset - from being the hunters to the ones that are hunted - I don't know. Or maybe we came unstuck in the sub-continent and lost a bit of confidence along the way. I don't know the exact answers right now. But those are the sort of questions we need to find answers to.

"When you reach No. 1 you have to up your performance, you can't rest on your laurels, you can't afford any bad days, you have to be hungry, just as motivated. Although I can't fault the effort the guys have put in, in certain areas we haven't been quite on the ball.

"It will be a shame to hand over that mace to South Africa but right at the moment they deserve to be No 1 and we will come back."

Strauss identified England's poor catching and flimsy top-order batting as the primary reasons England lost the series. "The obvious thing to focus on is that our batting was below-par and we dropped catches," he said.

"In a three-Test series in particular, dropping those sort of catches against a good batting line-up can be the difference between winning and losing games. We've got to sit back and have a look at everything, really: how we're training; everything we can control; can we do it better?

"We were never favourites to win the game today, but I thought the spirit the guys showed and the never-say-die attitude they displayed was a great credit to all the players. This was how I expected the whole series to play out - very close games of cricket, small margins between the sides."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • serious-am-i on August 23, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    @gerrardl: India didn't deserve to be table toppers, I am an Indian and I strongly believe in that but if you are going to call delusional then u will be the biggest fool around. India haven't lost a single test series backyard in over 7 years, we have played almost all top sides back at home, what's your team's track record of not losing a test series back home. SA have been the only side challenging India in their own backyard constantly, Eng were pathetic in their previous tours so were Aus, even though Aus put up much better fight than what Eng did. You mean India whitewashing your highly overrated side ? Swann vs Right Handers will be fun to watch on how he will be smashed to all parts of ground or your faster bowlers who rely only on swing to win matches ? You are coming to India mister and not playing in Eng to get swing, we have seen your English side losing 5-0 twice back up to back series in India, the one under KP captaincy and the one recently as well. Enough Said !!!

  • Chris_P on August 22, 2012, 10:03 GMT

    @DeathKnell. I am hardly insecure. I read too many Indian supporters, not true ones, write about how England didn't deserve to be #1 & gloating about that loss. Your post, to be truthful, inferred the same way about the rain saving England. The 2nd test was very open to either side, as I pointed out. And still, you don't give England the credit they deserve. As an Aussie, we have an interesting relationship with them, we LOVE beating them, but as a cricket follower (and a player) I enjoy a good contest. These last tests were contests. That is what I enjoy wtaching.

  • Mr.Moody on August 22, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    england is a great side...i always enjoy attacking kind of cricket from england side [which has been missing since india series 2001]. but i am sure england will bounce back as they have got some outstanding players. [pakistani fan]

  • bigben_bigben on August 22, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    glance_to_leg: I should say what are you talking about? There was no triumphalism after Eng gained #1? Really? I was on these pages then and Eng supporters were crawling out of the woodwork disparaging India, saying they never deserved to be #1, how their recent record in SA/Aus/Eng was pathetic (though amply disproved by Indian supporters). I like to think I am fair, but it was quite unpleasant to see the triumphalism of Eng as u put it.. I know I did not dream about reading all that was said. Lots of Indian fans acknowledged on these pages that Eng were clearly superior in that series and deserved to win, but there was mockery from Eng. So I find it highly amusing when you say "India, Oz, SA" dont have a sense of humour. Puhleeeze!

  • Knowledge_Speaks on August 22, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    Strauss means Clarke!! Only focusing relations with the Selectors/Managment. No matter if team's performance is effected. KP is Ketich is Gayle

  • MattyP1979 on August 22, 2012, 0:49 GMT

    SA no.1 and like many have said justified. However if they think their own teams can beat us they have another thing coming. Eng have shown true English grit here and gave reasonable account of themselves. Off pitch antics were a distraction but this is not an excuse, simply put we were beaten by the better side. The last 2 games could of gone either way and were both very tight games. Gripping stuff and I look forward to SA v Aus and Eng Ind, 2 very exciting series to come.

  • glance_to_leg on August 22, 2012, 0:19 GMT

    DingDong420: What an earth are you on about? I have seen little sign of either ENglish players or fans being too big for their boots (unless one counts the absurdly arrogant KP). Of course, England fans enjoyed doing well, and dislike losing their top sport, but I have seen almost uniform acknowledgment that the better side (SA) won, and deservedly so. There has since been reflection on whether Strauss is the right man to lead: he is pretty much uniformly admired and respected, but tactical limitations and age count against him, given that he is no longer scoring heavily. This is simply intelligent debate. There was actually little triumphalism when England were at the top of the pile, beyond gloating at Australia's discomforture (a justifiable response given the usual rhetoric from the Antipodes). Why do so many Indians and others hate England? I think English good humour & sportsmanship (broadly shared by Pakistan, SL, WI, NZ but alien to India, SA and Oz) is seen as a threat.

  • on August 21, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    If you look at the last 4 Captains of England the sign is hanging waiting to be pinned up. All of them resigned as Captain and not much later from test cricket. Michael Atherton 115 Tests 7728 averaging 37.69, Michael Vaughn 82 tests 5719 averaging 41.44, Nasser Hussain 96 Tests 5764 runs averaging and now strauss 100 with 7037 runs averaging 40.91. So it will be a fitting end to add his name to the smith's mantel piece at this time.

  • on August 21, 2012, 22:58 GMT

    I wouldn't be so sure about India beating England, the players have become rich and arrogant playing in the IPL. Test cricket has become a chore. India struggled to beat a poor West Indies and just in case no one has noticed the two honest Indian cricketers who always give it their all Dravid and Laxman have just retired. I expect the Indian team to once again go through the motions.

  • on August 21, 2012, 22:55 GMT

    time to leave the show Strauss, hopefully Cook can start rebuilding , could see few senior players getting the chop.

  • serious-am-i on August 23, 2012, 21:23 GMT

    @gerrardl: India didn't deserve to be table toppers, I am an Indian and I strongly believe in that but if you are going to call delusional then u will be the biggest fool around. India haven't lost a single test series backyard in over 7 years, we have played almost all top sides back at home, what's your team's track record of not losing a test series back home. SA have been the only side challenging India in their own backyard constantly, Eng were pathetic in their previous tours so were Aus, even though Aus put up much better fight than what Eng did. You mean India whitewashing your highly overrated side ? Swann vs Right Handers will be fun to watch on how he will be smashed to all parts of ground or your faster bowlers who rely only on swing to win matches ? You are coming to India mister and not playing in Eng to get swing, we have seen your English side losing 5-0 twice back up to back series in India, the one under KP captaincy and the one recently as well. Enough Said !!!

  • Chris_P on August 22, 2012, 10:03 GMT

    @DeathKnell. I am hardly insecure. I read too many Indian supporters, not true ones, write about how England didn't deserve to be #1 & gloating about that loss. Your post, to be truthful, inferred the same way about the rain saving England. The 2nd test was very open to either side, as I pointed out. And still, you don't give England the credit they deserve. As an Aussie, we have an interesting relationship with them, we LOVE beating them, but as a cricket follower (and a player) I enjoy a good contest. These last tests were contests. That is what I enjoy wtaching.

  • Mr.Moody on August 22, 2012, 9:54 GMT

    england is a great side...i always enjoy attacking kind of cricket from england side [which has been missing since india series 2001]. but i am sure england will bounce back as they have got some outstanding players. [pakistani fan]

  • bigben_bigben on August 22, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    glance_to_leg: I should say what are you talking about? There was no triumphalism after Eng gained #1? Really? I was on these pages then and Eng supporters were crawling out of the woodwork disparaging India, saying they never deserved to be #1, how their recent record in SA/Aus/Eng was pathetic (though amply disproved by Indian supporters). I like to think I am fair, but it was quite unpleasant to see the triumphalism of Eng as u put it.. I know I did not dream about reading all that was said. Lots of Indian fans acknowledged on these pages that Eng were clearly superior in that series and deserved to win, but there was mockery from Eng. So I find it highly amusing when you say "India, Oz, SA" dont have a sense of humour. Puhleeeze!

  • Knowledge_Speaks on August 22, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    Strauss means Clarke!! Only focusing relations with the Selectors/Managment. No matter if team's performance is effected. KP is Ketich is Gayle

  • MattyP1979 on August 22, 2012, 0:49 GMT

    SA no.1 and like many have said justified. However if they think their own teams can beat us they have another thing coming. Eng have shown true English grit here and gave reasonable account of themselves. Off pitch antics were a distraction but this is not an excuse, simply put we were beaten by the better side. The last 2 games could of gone either way and were both very tight games. Gripping stuff and I look forward to SA v Aus and Eng Ind, 2 very exciting series to come.

  • glance_to_leg on August 22, 2012, 0:19 GMT

    DingDong420: What an earth are you on about? I have seen little sign of either ENglish players or fans being too big for their boots (unless one counts the absurdly arrogant KP). Of course, England fans enjoyed doing well, and dislike losing their top sport, but I have seen almost uniform acknowledgment that the better side (SA) won, and deservedly so. There has since been reflection on whether Strauss is the right man to lead: he is pretty much uniformly admired and respected, but tactical limitations and age count against him, given that he is no longer scoring heavily. This is simply intelligent debate. There was actually little triumphalism when England were at the top of the pile, beyond gloating at Australia's discomforture (a justifiable response given the usual rhetoric from the Antipodes). Why do so many Indians and others hate England? I think English good humour & sportsmanship (broadly shared by Pakistan, SL, WI, NZ but alien to India, SA and Oz) is seen as a threat.

  • on August 21, 2012, 23:01 GMT

    If you look at the last 4 Captains of England the sign is hanging waiting to be pinned up. All of them resigned as Captain and not much later from test cricket. Michael Atherton 115 Tests 7728 averaging 37.69, Michael Vaughn 82 tests 5719 averaging 41.44, Nasser Hussain 96 Tests 5764 runs averaging and now strauss 100 with 7037 runs averaging 40.91. So it will be a fitting end to add his name to the smith's mantel piece at this time.

  • on August 21, 2012, 22:58 GMT

    I wouldn't be so sure about India beating England, the players have become rich and arrogant playing in the IPL. Test cricket has become a chore. India struggled to beat a poor West Indies and just in case no one has noticed the two honest Indian cricketers who always give it their all Dravid and Laxman have just retired. I expect the Indian team to once again go through the motions.

  • on August 21, 2012, 22:55 GMT

    time to leave the show Strauss, hopefully Cook can start rebuilding , could see few senior players getting the chop.

  • JG2704 on August 21, 2012, 20:17 GMT

    @SiBaker/Bobmartin - I have to agree with you Si in that now is the right time for Strauss to step down. I feel he risks his reputation being diminished further if he continues . Bob - re Cook , I'm still not convinced despite his side doing so well in the 50 over format. He obviously may have his own ideas but has not been able to express himself properly so far. I'm not too sure who else there is - which is a problem.

  • JG2704 on August 21, 2012, 20:16 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster on (August 20 2012, 17:18 PM GMT) I wouldn't say they are all equally responsible. For a start it was the batsmen's woeful form in UAE which started the rot. The batsmen have been the biggest let down. Re T20s vs Tests surely T20s can be even more dependent on pitch , conditions etc because at least in a game of 4 inns there's a chance to pull things back if conditions give a team an advantage/disadvantage. I'm also not that embarrassed to lose at home. SA are one of the few teams who play as well away as at home and they are on paper the best man for man side out there. I was certainly more embarrassed by our UAE tour even though it was away

  • DingDong420 on August 21, 2012, 19:58 GMT

    England team / fans / commentators were all getting too big for their boots. At the end of the day England couldn't produce the sort of wickets they have been over the past few years because they were worried about the SA attack.

    If you look at this series pitches as opposed to the ones against India and you could see how they were going about their business (India do the same too)

    The SA are a far better balanced team, a lot of that is due to Kallis

  • alagu4ever_india4ever on August 21, 2012, 18:52 GMT

    It's payback time for England when they enter India.... "God Save the Queen"

  • MattyP1979 on August 21, 2012, 18:36 GMT

    Well played SA. No doubting Strauss needs some runs but I for one want him leading this side. He was not the only one who let us down with the bat. His dismissal in this test was a shocker but I hope he continues. SA face the mighty oz batting line up next lol, if you think SA bowling looks good now wait a while. Eng although out played still put scores on the board...not the easiest thing to do against this SA attack in Eng. If we post + 300 against against SA how will we fair against the fromidable Ind attack on flat wickets? 10 run outs are a possiblity with this team.

  • Kirk-at-Lords on August 21, 2012, 18:19 GMT

    @Ary Srinivas: I would put a different twist on the tale of KP and England. The way England awakened on Day 5 at Lord's, coming within shouting distance of the target with solid strokemaking from KP's replacement Bairstow which set the stage for Prior and Swann's heroics, suggests how much KP might have tipped the balance in favour of a truly famous run-chase. So today, we could still be talking about England keeping a hand on the Test mace. Even with KP, it would still have been unlikely, but probably less so than the Headingley chase even if KP had not got out so quickly. England deprived themselves of precisely the batsman needed for the situation that developed at Lord's. Perhaps that is why Andy Flower appeared even more dour than usual in his first public statement about KP yesterday. Flower & capt. Struss simply appeared what they now were: defeated men leading a battered team set-up. There is indeed much work for them and ECB man managers to do, if they are up to the task.

  • Raki99 on August 21, 2012, 16:02 GMT

    The best thing about Saffers Reaching Number 1 in test ranking is that 90% of their team plays in IPL, Which everybody complained about last year when india lost its ranking. Now it is proof that IPL alone is not to be blamed for Test matches failure. Lot of other factor's contibute to it.

  • Raki99 on August 21, 2012, 15:56 GMT

    Don't worry guys Zaheer Khan Would End His career, He is already 35, India Series would be his last. I like strauss, he is a through gentleman. But I think his batting was horrible in this series.

  • on August 21, 2012, 15:51 GMT

    india will beat SA to become no1 again i have no doubt about it,the same so called weak bowling attack gave us a drawn series in south africa before the world cup and i am sure the same weak bowling attack will win us to test no1.

  • i.love.ice.creams on August 21, 2012, 15:47 GMT

    Who held that title longer? India or England?

  • Ranjan2012 on August 21, 2012, 15:43 GMT

    Dear Strauss ,First & foremost bring back KP in the team.

  • on August 21, 2012, 15:16 GMT

    @The India Rockers.SA have also drawn against India in India.There is no comparison between India and SA as India where whitewashed 0-4 against a team which lost to SA 0-2.Indian team tigers at home and kittens abroad.SA by contrast have not lost a single away series since losing against Srilanka in 2006.

  • streetblader on August 21, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    @Arrow011- excellent, mate... you hit the nail, BANG on the head...

  • nikkam on August 21, 2012, 15:00 GMT

    apart from the hints that strauss gives he might not be in a position to lead england unconditionally, the credit goes to south africa for such a dominating performance. same time last year, India were orely lostave suverwhelmed, arriving with unfit team and lost the No.1 crown. England were considered unbeatable in their own home. But now times have changed and what should rankle is that they lost the No.1 crown in their own backyard...considering that SA travel to Aus..and india have a long run of home matches, it will be no surprise if India again becomes No.1...having an unbeaten home record is crucial for top test status...this england have surely lost...

  • gerrardl on August 21, 2012, 14:14 GMT

    I think all Indian cricket fans are dilusional. There rise to the top was due to them playing weak teams at home. They competed against SA in one series only. 1! In none of the other series have they even gotten close to beating SA, meanwhile SA has constantly challenged and beaten them home and away. They've beaten almost everyone they've come up against home and away. Best team by miles.

    How dare you compare this champion SA side against India. Get real.

    Can't wait for England to pummel India in their own back yard. Whitewash anyone? :)

  • threeslipsandagully on August 21, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    @RandyOZ A bit like Ponting, whose career was ended by lowly England after he lost to them three times and couldn't buy a run in that final series as captain. Loving the amount of gloating on here from people who have no vested interest in the fortunes of England, particularly Indians who forget that their team has dropped down to fifth in the rankings and who were recently ranked below Bangladesh in the T20 rankings. People in glass houses...

  • Hira1 on August 21, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    Time for Strauss to go, he can only stretch up to one more series....Strauss career is finished but please don't ruin KPs' career, not only for KPs' sake but for English cricket, Game and cricket fan sake also, resolve this issue ASAP

  • SuperKing.Cobra on August 21, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    Every team has some issues come within their team. The management has to deal with it. I think South Africa\Australia have dealt with it brilliantly. I know at the start of IPL senior players like Ponting,Clarke wasn't intrested, Warne\Gilchrist\Hussey\Hayden\etc still played and sorted out the differences. South Africa dealt with brilliantly as well.

    The FACT is ECB and English media(can I say Nasser,Vaughan (not all of them)) cannot accept the IPL. They want to do their own, tried Stafford T20-T20 and failed. This is core of the problem with ECB. They want to control their players. You can't blame KP for all the faults. The media hyped it all up and the Englans fans made their mind up. Every country should have it's own league and if players want to play they should be allowed by the boards. It is a shame Indian board indirectly don't allow Indian players to play in Srilankan league.

  • yorkshirematt on August 21, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    @Arrow011 God save the Queen indeed. She's going to open the batting for us in India. Couldn't do any worse that's for sure.

  • Metro-ant on August 21, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    @Junaid Kalyr Are you serious? Better than Vaughan? Michael Vaughan captained an England side that took on one of the greatest bowling attacks of that era and came out on top against the odds and also set attacking fields to the top order which is something Strauss seems to be immune to. He is happy to talk about the positions of others in the team but he knows he should be performing himself otherwise I'm sure KP won't be the next one questioning Strauss's position in the team.

  • glance_to_leg on August 21, 2012, 13:43 GMT

    Strauss has been a very good leader of men, but he is not, and never has been, an especially talented tactician. Were he a Brearly-esque figure he would probably be worth keeping around for another 18 months, but I think now - admirable man, and wonderful servant though Strauss has been - it is probably the time to bring in Nick Compton (at 29 it is really now or never) to open. After all we have just lost one very good South African, so we might as well replace him with another. Strauss, after all, is 35, and cannot have too much longer left in him. One might argue that this is disruptive to a test batting line up, which has already lost its best player, but this is why I feel it needs the solidity of Compton not one of the young thrusters. Compton, Cook (as skipper), Trott, Bell, Taylor, Bairstow, Prior does not look a bad line up. Also, while I personally don't think KP should ever play again for England, if he were to be let back in again it would be easier with a new captain.

  • RandyOZ on August 21, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    Surely Smith has ended a third English captain's career. There's only one word for Strauss; pathetic.

  • on August 21, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    Strauss did an excellent job probably better then Vaughan, nasir and Atherton...

  • malepas on August 21, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    @y.deva, wow calling the most in form test team of 2012 Pakistan an "ordinary"?? its time to get off whatever u r taking, Pakistan Test team is the most successful team from mid 2011 till now, check out the facts before making such absured remarks,drwing against South Africa, winning 3-0 against England,winning against Srilanka, winning against Newzeland and drawing against W.I and not to mention Zimbabwe and Bangla. they only lost one series 1-0 to Srilanka and that was largly due to the poor weather. As for England, they are still a very good side, watch out even in India as you don't have Saeed Ajmal and English are very capable to take care of very ordinary Indian bowling,,they are very good side full stop, and don't get me started on Indian achievments in last 2 years in Tests but we wish them well.

  • on August 21, 2012, 12:59 GMT

    Firstly, congrats to South Africa. They're the best Test side by a distance at the mo; & certainly the only team capable of winning consistently both at home & away. I now foresee a period of dominance by them which will last until the departures of Kallis & Smith. Secondly, Strauss: a lot of posters on this thread have, I feel, rather missed the point: Strauss isn't simply 'out of form': he's in terminal decline. He was flummoxed by the Pakistani & Sri Lankan spinners during the winter & leaden-footed & virtually scoreless against the Saffers' seamers. The benign attacks of India & NZ offer the best possible confidence-boosting opportunity for either Joe Root, Nick Compton, Alex Hales or Joe Denly to bed in as Cook's long-term opening partner, while Cook himself needs the ten Tests between now & the mouth-watering Ashes marathon of 2013-14 to gain experience as a skipper. To persist with Strauss would be to stretch loyalty way past the point at which it becomes wilful self-sabotage.

  • laxmanrules on August 21, 2012, 12:46 GMT

    Man. Strauss talks like a politician. Bring on more KP press conferences.

  • bobmartin on August 21, 2012, 12:44 GMT

    It's rare for England to sack a captain these days (Pietersen's case was an exception).. they normally know when it's time to go.

  • allblue on August 21, 2012, 12:36 GMT

    @DirkL Well I think you're stretching the point. The squad for Lords was identical to the one at Headingly except KP was out and Bairstow was in. That looks like replacement to me. Certainly they shuffled the order, but it's accepted practice that young batsmen come in at 6, KP himself initially came in at 5 but that was with the all-rounder Flintoff at 6, and incidentally it was Bell at 4 in that 2005 line-up. Bell got a decent 50 at 4 in the first innings in this match, but I do agree with your point about the top order not firing. It was the solidity of the top three that laid the foundation for England's run of success, and failure at the top of the order of late has been a key factor in the collective loss of form.

  • SudharsanVM on August 21, 2012, 12:31 GMT

    @greatest_game:Very well said

  • sust2001 on August 21, 2012, 12:14 GMT

    @Iain Deuchar: Indeed KP's match saving century was one of the biggest achievement for England team, otherwise we would see 3-0 series win for South Africa. No matter it was mentioned by Strauss or not.

    @Daniel Powell: The situation of England team without KP in front of South Africa was like 'without being any knowledge of swim if someone falls into deep water'. This may work for shorter version like T20 cricket, of course not in 5-days test matches. There are so many formless players currently playing in the England team. Why do you think in form KP should be left out from the team to let Bairstow and Taylor into the side?

    KP should soon be included in the England team in order to get a respective rank in the T-20 world-cup.

  • Arrow011 on August 21, 2012, 11:39 GMT

    England criticised India's No. 1 status but now England are even worse. India ruled 20 months, England just 12 months. India lost crown on away series & England lost at home. When India lost crown they were without prime bowler & prime opener on an away series. England lost like a deflated balloon with all the prime players playing at home series.

    How does Strauss say he will try for World No. 1 again? Now England has to face India, their rankings will tumble down to minnow levels now after losing 4-0 in India. "God save the queen".

  • bobbo2 on August 21, 2012, 11:36 GMT

    I think Strauss is a great leader. England obviously have not played as well as they can but I think the players need to take some responsibilty for that.

    I think England will learn from this. As for KP, if he sent those texts as reported I would drop him, even though I love watching him bat. You can't have a team mate doing that

  • jonesy2 on August 21, 2012, 11:22 GMT

    i dont mind strauss but surely this is the last straw kinda situation i mean he really should never have been picked recently anyway. although there is abosutely no replacement for england. see england this is what happens when you hype yourselves as being a good team and wanting the number 1 ranking, these problems arise when you dont have the depth and talent to sustain anything.

  • DeathKnell on August 21, 2012, 11:02 GMT

    @Chris_P - why are u so insecure, to bring in India here... we are not discussing India anyway....well keep counting the dropped catches & missed stumping that will give solace...KP did it in second test, but u dont respect him as he is the most villainous character in the team...but when it comes to results it is then Eng matched SA, because they could draw it close huh....poor chap not even in team now...margin is 51, it wud always be the same even if SA scored 300 or 250.....the tail had nothing to lose (so had Eng), so the margin was 51 (as it wud have been always)...b.t.w catches, did u know the countless boundaries Trott & Bairstow got in the region of slip & gully.....give me some examples of that from SA...

  • on August 21, 2012, 10:56 GMT

    @rahulcricket007,friend i disagree with you pakistan have better bouncy track thats why australians and south africans used to play nicely in that condition.Pakistans perfomance also good in their tour to SA & AUS.I am not talking about just last tour

    @mathewjohn2176 friend iam not talking about last tour of india to south africa. Last tour they performed well,its not easy to draw a series in southafrica.(but dont forget the contribution of gary kirsten)Check the all tours of india to southafrica after southafricas readmition. Indians struggled to make a total of 100 runs.

  • Bouncer51 on August 21, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    Isn't it weird that both teams' batsmen from nr. 5 down (and not counting their nr. elevens who hardly scored a run) got more than 200 on the board in their final inns? At the same time it is all very well for Matt Prior to score 70 odd while dropping Amla cost the team almost 120 runs... But at the end of the day, the Proteas deserved the series win and the biggest disappointment was that cricket liovers all over the world were not treated to a 5 test series which would have been a truly great contest. Greetz from Belgium!

  • yorkshirematt on August 21, 2012, 10:51 GMT

    If Strauss can start scoring runs again then he might just be able to get England back on track. If England's "year of discontent" continues in India, however, and Strauss does not score runs, then questions should be asked. Cook is ready to take over. The only problem is, who would take Strauss's place in the team?

  • anand_1103 on August 21, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    Andrew Strauss is a kind, honest gentleman of English Cricket; he has served English test cricket team sincerely and has played key role in England's ascendency; There are lots of factors that has contributed to this SA series defeat and key one being distraction caused by KP through his selfish acts; However, as a Captain, it was Strauss's responsibility to rise above and lead from front; Clearly he appeared rattled by KP's actions; First of all, Andrew Strauss batting requires to be more consistent; Best course of action would be for him to relinquish captaincy burden to Ian Bell/Alistair Cook and enjoy 2-3 years purely as a batsman; Ofcourse it is not easy thing to do, however he needs to look at captaincy sting overall and not just this series; He has done himself proud. If the provocative text allegations on KP is proven, banning him from England international team atleast for a year would send right message; Every county innings will melt KP's ego and make him honest.

  • bobmartin on August 21, 2012, 10:38 GMT

    A point to all those defending Pietersen and his texts by saying that Swann wasn't disciplined over the comments in his book.. At least Swann's criticism was done openly.. for all to read.. It may not have been very ethical... but he had the guts to do it publicly which at least gave the target the chance to reply... Pietersen on the other hand did his secretly hoping it would never come to light.. That is sly and underhand giving the impression that he wasn't man enough to front up. The question that also needs to be answered, although it won't solve anything, is how the existence of these texts became public knowledge.

  • Knowledge_Speaks on August 21, 2012, 10:37 GMT

    Strauss means Clarke!! Only focusing relations with the Selectors/Managment. No matter if team's performance is effected. KP is Ketich is Gayle.

  • on August 21, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    In the post-match ceremony, not to mention KP's century amongst England's achievements was petty and self-defeating. Strauss has done an adequate job but it may be time to move on.

  • on August 21, 2012, 10:07 GMT

    Hats off to Strauss. Says and does all the right things. I think KP should be left out to let Bairstow and Taylor into the side - they are the future of English cricket along with Stokes, Woakes, Hales etc. Well played South Africa, though I was very pleased with how England treated the final day of the last test. Showed a lot more guts and aggression than is usually associated with English cricket, and I think that's a move in the right direction for definite. Play to win or lose trying.

    Also, I wouldn't count England out of the #1 spot for too long to be honest.

  • arup_g on August 21, 2012, 9:52 GMT

    This is a perfect time for Strauss to step down from the captaincy and give it to Alistair Cook before next summers Ashes. Strauss has to realise that his poor form has not done the team any good and consistently provides England with poor starts. If Strauss does decide to resign (which I don't think he will), it will mean the end of his place in the team as well as an average of 41 is no longer acceptable at the top level when you compare it to the other openers around the world - Cook, Sehwag, Watson, Gambhir, Smith and Gayle. Strauss has done a fantastic job, but should take a leaf out of the books of Vaughan and Hussein and step down at the right time before being sacked.

  • keptalittlelow on August 21, 2012, 9:39 GMT

    No matter what Andrew Strauss is still the man who can bring the top status back to England.

  • on August 21, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Let's not be predictably hasty here. England became no.1 test side simply by having better players than everyone else at that time - and tremendous strength in depth in bowling resources. Bar one innings at the Oval, bowlers performed very well all year. Problem has been batting - some of the players, when facing the subcontient, clearly weren't as good as their stats made them out. As for vs SA, well, let's be realistic; if Anderson had Prior had held their catches in the SA 2nd innings, England probably would have won. And it would have been 1-1. So let's not panic.

    #Rastus, it's not been one of England's "worst runs in their history". 1984, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 94, 96, 99, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008 were all arguably worse. From 87-89 we 1 test (v then minnows SL at home) out of 25. In 1999 were the worst side officially in the rankings. From 92-93 lost 7 consecutive tests by enormous margins.

  • Herbet on August 21, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    @Rastus

    "Andrew Strauss' time has come to an end. He has just captained England through one of the worst runs in their history"

    What, one of the worst runs in our history? Not quite, during his captaincy we have won more games than in the entire decades of the 1980's and 90's, we're probably not far off having won more than both combined! This is a very minor blip!

    Some of the comments on this website off people who have clearly not watched any of the series are very amusing. The highlight was somebody wondering why the Saffers didn't bounce Bairstow. They did, he's just learnt how to play it.

  • TheIndiaRockers on August 21, 2012, 9:29 GMT

    Still i feel strauss is the better captain in present england team. What about dhoni after a straight loses against eng & aus. Still dhoni managed to ba a captain for test team... Why not strauss???????..without KP & strauss Eng team will be sweeped in india thats for sure!@Eng fans-- you people keep on change the positions when england become no 1 in test, eng fans said they care about test matches not ODI, after losing the status they have shifted to ashes.. come on guys....If u lose ashes next year, i think they will shift to 20-20 .........

  • Herbet on August 21, 2012, 9:23 GMT

    SA are definitely better than us, but I don't think they are two nil better than us. They played us at a good time, i.e when our two most important players of the last 3 years - Anderson and Swann - were way off form. But you can't make excuses, they should have been on form. Although Strauss is an excellent captain, and there is probably no one better waiting on, his lack of form is becoming a liability. You are always going to struggle when you start every innings 10/1, and it puts a lot of pressure on Cook and Trott. I think we are well placed to hang on to 2nd, and challenge SA, but we're are not going to be a dominant team. It would be nice to have Pietersen back in the team, or Pietersen's batting ability anyway, but I think he has made his position untenable and I can't see him ever being accepted/trusted again by the core 'clique' of Anderson, Swann and Broad. A team going forward may be Cook, Trott, Bell, Taylor, Bairstow, Root, Prior, Broad, Swann ( c ), Anderson, Finn.

  • y.deva on August 21, 2012, 9:05 GMT

    To all english fans,

    When india beaten in England and Australia, it was in very unforseen circumstances, Ind won the world cup, bowlers lost due to injuries, new bowlers coming etc... Now England lost to SA in England with all the bowlers fit, batsmen fit and one heroic innings from KP (only one player who is good enough to be in a number one team). This is on top of 3-0 loss against ordinary Pakistan. Imagine England travelling to India, same thing Australia travelling to India (I am waiting for James Pattinson to bowl against Shewag and stare him once, I will accept he has balls), England and Australia sport a pitch that suitable for good cricket like SA did against Ind not pitches to suit you guys and boast that you are good. I can't wait for the India series against England and Australia especially stuart broad and james pattinson, patto you will be zero within one match......... yummy curry waiting mastered by Kohli and pujara........... LOL

  • milepost on August 21, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    Strauss is the man to keep it going. SA were excellent. No obvious replacements for mine and Strauss is well respected by players and fans. He's a team guy and it's a team sport.

  • wrenx on August 21, 2012, 8:50 GMT

    Strauss could've bagged king pairs in all 11 tests this year and the ECB would've stuck with him, he's one of the untouchables in the team. Just like Broad, Anderson, Cook. Bresnan clearly isn't, no matter how strong his performances are, the seletors can't wait to drop him. Whatever Strauss' failings, he clearly still fancies himself against Australia, so I don't think he'll be going anywhere until the next Ashes

  • Rastus on August 21, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    It seems like Andrew Strauss' time has come to an end. He has just captained England through one of the worst runs in their history while at the same time losing control of the dressing room and alienating England's best player. Surely it is time to go. Cook might be a like-for-like replacement but a new leader without the recent baggage is needed and it will also allow a new opening batsman to step in who might actually get some runs. At the moment if Cook fails England are already 2 wickets down with no runs on the board and pressure is building for the rest of the team. Getting rid of Strauss will make it easier for KP to come back into the dressing room as his runs are more important than Strauss' declining captaincy record. It must be a good time to re-build, England have just lost their number one status and Strauss just played his 100th Test - so time to go.

  • Joninnorwich on August 21, 2012, 8:30 GMT

    Quite apart from the KP issues there are quite a few problems that England have to overcome. Catching (so brilliant in Australia) was way below par in this series. The strike bowling (Jimmy, Broad and Bresnan) not quite the same bite as before. Swann has dropped back into the pack (not the stand out spinner in world cricket that he was two tears ago).

    So a few things need tweaking, and I wonder if it is time to drop Alistair Cook into the middle order? Why? Well because he's the new kid on the block, skipper-wise and maybe being captain and opener is too much, but also because despite all his good skills, this tendancy he has to play around his front pad against the new ball when he is out of form and new to the crease, worries me.

    Finally, can someone please hurry up the physio looking after Tremlett. To me, he made our bowling attack just that bit special and we haven't looked quite the same since he left the side.

  • Selassie-I on August 21, 2012, 8:26 GMT

    Cheeseburgers, so KP can score runs and then do whatever he wants and act however he wants, make demands, sway things about his team to rival teams in the middle of a series. If you were playing and a member of the other team came up to you and started having a go about his players and skipper, I bet it would give you a bit of a confidence boost? think their dressing room is weak etc? We, and cricket as a whole, need him back but he needs to have things sorted properly, or do we upset everyone else in the team? I hear Strauss is pretty popular & respected in the team, so do we just chuck him out and bring back KP? what kind of message would that send? Score a few runs and then you can do whatever you want? of course he is not the only one to be discaplined, the extensive england management team really need to sit down and review and see what went wrong, how it was allowed to get to this point and who is accountable, then what we can do to avoid this again. Not just replace AS with KP!

  • YorkshirePudding on August 21, 2012, 8:14 GMT

    @bobmartin, seconded in regards to he comments about SA, England were outplayed, though I do think there was a Machavelian twist to the texts been leaked to the press to remove KP as a threat. As it is SA almost threw away the win at lords, Trott, Bairstow, Prior and Swann almost took the game away from them.....I actaully think Cook is a little more flexible and imaginative than Strauss, and I dont see another alternative, unless you go with either Bell or Trott and I've not seen either of them captain a side. Strauss's strong point is man-management so he may well have a place in the England set up when he retires.

  • on August 21, 2012, 8:10 GMT

    It's a real shame on ECB for playing Strauss who is out of form and not playing KP the in-form batsmen. The reasons for England to be on top for past 1 year were some good batting performances from Cook, Trott, KP, Prior and lower order along with a strong balanced bowling line-up but not Strauss or his leadership skills. England would have performed much better under Cook's leadership with the team it has. England should drop Strauss and get in a batsmen who can score some runs as an opener along with Cook. What ever happened, past is past, bring back KP and drop Strauss.

  • TheIndiaRockers on August 21, 2012, 8:08 GMT

    Come on england we are waiting for u......Its pay back time!!!!

  • risimati_l on August 21, 2012, 8:03 GMT

    To be continued more pain to be inflicted the ODIs and T20s Faf, Levi and co have arrived, aint seen nothing yet

  • ramli on August 21, 2012, 8:01 GMT

    India certainly fared better as a number one side than England ... it is clear that to sustain the ranking is very difficult ... only Aussies managed to do that for a very long time ... Good luck to SA

  • SpecialSauce on August 21, 2012, 7:54 GMT

    Strauss has been and will continue to be a good leader he is the pick of the current English team Cooks probably not quite ready yet, what will decide on how good a captain he is is how he rallies his troops for their next adventure in terms of confidence and faith in him as their leader, just because they lost #1 ranking he shouldn't retire should MS Dohni have retired post ENG and AUS whitewashing of them? no cause he is still the best man for the job, Should Ponting have retired after the ashes no cause Clarke wasnt quite ready (had personal issues) like i said in another post we are entering and era of somewhat equality amongst the top 4-5 teams so there will be winners and losers but not always the same teams Heres to TEST CRICKET

  • TheIndiaRockers on August 21, 2012, 7:52 GMT

    @Deez0-- We have draw series in SA against SA(1-1).What about SA in IND against IND?

  • on August 21, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    I want Strauss to stay until the end of the next Ashes in Oz (Jan 2014). No need to panic we are still in the top 2 of all forms of the game. Well played SA and let's look forward to a tough series vs India this winter.

  • 200ondebut on August 21, 2012, 7:36 GMT

    Two points - the position of being number one would have sat VERY comfortably on KP's shoulders. He would have loved the fact that Eng were No1. It says a lot about a team and their mental strength if they are some way intimidated by the position.

    Second point - whilst Strauss has had success, his captaincy has often drawn criticism for its lack of insight and attaching vision. No more so than when Eng lost in the WI. Having three captains is confusing, especially when players have to be available for both forms of the short game. I would suggest that the rebuilding process needs to include having one captain for all formats.

  • sager on August 21, 2012, 7:34 GMT

    It's England Turn Now!Slipping Down from the No.1 Position. India lost their No.1 spot white washed by both ENG & AUS on their Home Soils. But England lose their spot on their Home itself. No one can speak about this. Matches are ahead on the sub continentfor them.Will India take revenge on this series or England will Bounce Back.England will have a chance to beat India in India bcoz their test Veterans(Rahul & VVS) were retired from the cricket.Beating India In India is Something Special.And the same time, Indian Youngsters (Kohli,Raina,Pujara,Rahane) have a chance to prove themselves.Hope thiS time MSD wont come under the scanner.Rememebr his words he would retire from one form of the cricket.He would like to end with winning note if he had that idea to quit test cricket next year.Big Battle Ahead.Will wait and watch.

  • Wizza9994 on August 21, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    2001 Ashes was 4-1 to the Australians, not 3-1. The good old days.

  • Deez0 on August 21, 2012, 7:19 GMT

    mrgupta, India have NEVER beaten South Africa in South Africa...never!!!

  • baskar_guha on August 21, 2012, 6:55 GMT

    If England fancies chances of being #1 again, it better be competitive on subcontinental tracks. Possible but not probable.

  • cheeseburgers on August 21, 2012, 6:38 GMT

    Bring KP back and sack Strauss - sometime its good to be practical and not emotional.... Straus is having a horrid time with the bat in the last couple of years...and no would give him so many chances that ECB has given him....in the other hand KP performed magnificently.. and what he gets "you are not in playing XI"...sorry but this is not done ECB

  • bobmartin on August 21, 2012, 6:32 GMT

    To all the Sth African supporters.... well played and your team thoroughly deserved their victory and the number one spot. The trick now, as England and India found before them, is to stay there and avoid all the gloating from the sub-continentals if you fail....To all those calling for Strauss to go and be replaced by Cook... isn't that a bit like replacing like with like....If you're going with a new captain, that's exactly what you need a new captain with new ideas... not a replacement from the same mould as the old one. To all the Indian supporters gloating over England's fall from the top....we're still not as low as you.. but of course I forgot... the ranking system is unfair...I guess it will be until.. or maybe if ... you ever get back to the top. And lastly, to all you KP supporters... I feel that after the latest allegations about his texting the Sth Africans....he is history. Personally I think he's a disgrace to the England shirt and should never wear one again.

  • DirkL on August 21, 2012, 6:30 GMT

    @Sathish Kumar: Not many ranking points available there. A 2-0 win will only give India +2 ranking points, not enough to go past Pakistan.

  • mrgupta on August 21, 2012, 6:26 GMT

    @Sunil Xavier: Now that you have mentioned SA hasn't won a series against India in their last 3 encounters. One of them in SA and all of these series had similar SA lineup that defaced England in England. During our reign at top India played SL and SA outside India and remained undefeated unlike Eng who lost their first overseas series since becoming No.1. We also Won the World Cup and defeated Aus 2-0 during that time. SA barely saved the last test in their last series against India and if not for our Top bowler Zaheer injured in the first test India might have Won the series. Its only in the last two tours that we have started to struggle and that's because of our aging batting lineup. Now that players like Kohli and Pujara are taking over it won't be long before India start to Win outside again.

  • Knowledge_Speaks on August 21, 2012, 6:21 GMT

    Strauss is a kind of man, who only believes in relationship with the management, relationship with the selectors. Showing upperly that he is more in team winning. But takes decision of his own. Insteadf of favour of team. ( Refernce: KP issue)

  • RK204 on August 21, 2012, 6:19 GMT

    oh no!!!!!!!!!!! feel bore to watch test match..........................lol....................who cares no 1 or 2..........................SF is now no 1 bcz ENG let them to be so.......... & another thing now the game is on..........they have now their competitor to fight ..........otherwise at this moment there is a few team who really cares about test matches ..........pls don't mind i may be wrong...good luck ENG & SF

  • on August 21, 2012, 6:02 GMT

    Continuing from my previous comment, when I said there has to be a psychologist for each team, it helps in another way also. Strauss must not be stressed with Pietersen issue. Pietersen has his own issues and he also needs to be helped so that we could get the best performance out of him and that is not the burden of Strauss. Everyone has issues like tight schedule of cricket, IPL, trying to get enough money before retiring etc. and each one's issues needs to be understood empathetically to get the best performance out of them. Good Luck to you, Strauss, for a bright future!

  • on August 21, 2012, 6:00 GMT

    If someone say that England did not deserve to be number one, they must be joking. They strung together some wonderful cricket in the past few seasons, and they richly deserved the number one mantle at that time. They are struggling at the moment which happens to even the best, so as strauss said its back to the drawing board to figure out what's the best way forward. I believe KP should be in the team and young jonny bairstow looks the goods. Their inability get wickets through swanny is a bit of a worry. Strauss Should lead the team for at least another year.With a huge ashes series looming, it would not be a wise decision to get in a new captain.

  • on August 21, 2012, 5:58 GMT

    This is my point. Though I am from India, I feel for Strauss and England. Strauss doesn't deserve to be criticized. But he needs to look in. One thing important during these days is, we need a psychologist to look into the problems of each team whether it is England or India. The tight schedule and playing in three forms and the pressure on any player takes its toll. The player has to have someone to whom he can talk freely and that can only be a good psychologist. Only that person could know the player's issues and see what could be done to revive the career of the person. Being a captain of No: 1 side, is a position full of pressure. Also genuine efforts must be made in coaching in each country so that the net result is England is playing well in sub-continent ot India is playing well in England or Australia. If efforts are made in this direction, one could get the required fruits.

  • on August 21, 2012, 5:55 GMT

    DO you know how many test series India have lost at home in last 25 odd years? 2 tests series. Lost to SA in 1999..an attack led by Donald Pollock and company.... Lost to Aus in 2004-5 in a injury infested series....still battled to 2-1....and one test was washed out...with one day to go and India needing 200 odd with 10 wickets.... So your team got to be this good....which they arent by a long shot..

  • on August 21, 2012, 5:52 GMT

    If India wants be in top of the ranking,BCCI should allow our budding crickets to play in county cricket and more overseas matches which is unlikely to happen.

  • DirkL on August 21, 2012, 5:25 GMT

    Sorry, @allblue. Bairstow did not replace KP. Bell replaced KP, and did half a job; Taylor replaced Bell, and failed. Bairstow was magnificent at #6, but England missed a commanding #4. You can't win matches if none of the top four ever fires.

    England should not have suspended KP, they should (some time ago) have forbidden him to text people, fool around on Facebook and Twitter, or talk to the media. That would have hit him where it hurts.

  • postandrail on August 21, 2012, 5:22 GMT

    Just shows what an absolute champion team Australia was to remain unchallenged at No.1 for the best part of ten years doesn't it? Surely the greatest team of all time!

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 21, 2012, 5:20 GMT

    @Nutcutlet: Thanks for the kind words my friend. You are one of the few people here with a balanced and composed approach to commenting. I salute you for your love towards test cricket. I still hope the ICC schedules meaningful test series such as this to help bring cynics like myself to at least watch the highlights from time to time :-). I thoroughly enjoyed this test match. Believe it or not, I did manage to catch the final 2 sessions LIVE. I think it's quite an achievement for myself. Anyway, I feel England are still a TOP test team. They will always be. They only got to improve their record in Asia and they should be fine. I hope they have a competitive series versus India. India themselves are going through transition so there are many new players coming in. It will sure be exciting.

  • Bullsman63 on August 21, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    Congratulations to South Africa on being worthy winners and also attaining the new no. 1 in Test rankings. As for England, they really have come up short. But watching the test matches and reading the reports over the last few test series, England and India don't seem to be intimidating and dominating sides like West Indies and Australia when they were the best test side in the world. If my memory serves me right, Australia may have lost maybe 3 test series during the entire domination of their No.1 Test side this over a period of maybe 5-6yrs! But I could be wrong where statistics are concerned. I really like to see SA dominate world cricket for sometime and not over a 2yr period! England should stick to this current crop and just drop KP! He's self-centred and thrives on himself! Get rid of him in all formats!

  • shantiratnamaj on August 21, 2012, 5:03 GMT

    come on plz dont take it on the captain - he was at the helm when he took the team to NO 01 and if you consider the runds he has scored and how effective they were to the rise to the NO 01 slot and how well he led the team then noone would ask him to resign. its a sport and its a ranking that changes. ENG was a team that any one could beat within 3 to 4 days in a test match but today they almost won the match chasing 350 - so they are truly NO 01 and they just lost to the 2nd best side which is now NO 01. this ENG team must be regarded for what it has achived for the reputation of ENGLISH cricket!

  • rahulcricket007 on August 21, 2012, 4:49 GMT

    @SUNIL XAVIER . MY FRIEND , PAKISTAN ALSO HAVE SIMILIAR TRACKS TO INDIA BUT THEIR FAST BOWLERS ARE WORLD CLASS . ALSO NOWADAYS INDIA DON'T EVEN HAVE A WKT TAKING SPINNER LIKE THEY HAVE IN PAST .

  • on August 21, 2012, 4:49 GMT

    kp iz da best . he should b da captain

  • mathewjohn2176 on August 21, 2012, 4:41 GMT

    Posted by  Sunil Xavier on (August 21 2012, 02:50 AM GMT), India struggle against bouncy Pitches where as England have problem against spinning tracks.You can't have fast tracks In subcontinent conditions due to hot and humd condition,so the wicket stays dry.Its called home conditions.SA is the deserving no.1 who wins matches in alien conditions whereas England and India got to no.1 by playing mostly in home conditions,but then it's not their fault as other teams were equally poor during these times. Last SA tour to india 1-1 drawn series and india tour to SA 2011(jan) 1-1 result drawn series.

  • krvij on August 21, 2012, 4:41 GMT

    @ Sunil Xavier: How India reached no1 (though its history now) - Won all home series except with SA which was a draw, series win in Eng, NZ & SL, drawn series in AUS and SA. On one to one comparison home and away, India performed better than all teams in that phase, hence they reached no1. Later they played badly and lost it, don't question the rankings, I think it has been fair, Eng too did well and deserved no 1.

  • guptahitesh4u on August 21, 2012, 4:34 GMT

    The English media over-hyped this team when they reached the no.1..and now the same media will do everything to ensure that one or two members are axed from the team.

  • sairamama on August 21, 2012, 4:25 GMT

    ....he he he and moreover try building a team from ur own nation and not from the world.......or else ul find players like kp.......surprising to see that there were more south africans than english men.............

  • Y2SJ on August 21, 2012, 4:22 GMT

    As a captain Strauss made a huge mistake off the feild. He should have never let the KP issue go out of hand. Mistrust and ego should not have got into a team. Bad leadership.

  • sairamama on August 21, 2012, 4:17 GMT

    for all those who say batting in indian conditions is easy.......do u think only fast bowlers must be given suport.......not spinners eh?.........why can't a batsman be tested against spinners?.......for ur kind information batting against spin is not easy

  • saimonanish on August 21, 2012, 4:06 GMT

    england would have been white washed without KVP

  • Rally_Windies on August 21, 2012, 3:39 GMT

    don't blame, Struass, Don't blame Flower, Don't blame KP ......

    Blame Management .... because they DID NOT MANAGE ......

    the fielding was poor, the batting was ok, the bowling was lack luster .....

    the management was utterly disgusting and unprofessional ...

    KP is played to play cricket .. HE DID HIS JOB ....

    Managers are paid to MANAGE ....

    they did the opposite of their job .....

    Management widened the divisiveness and animosity in team ENGLAND .... management did the exact opposite of their job description ...

  • venky91 on August 21, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    Now England would have realised how India would have felt after losing their No.1 to England.Atleast India lost in a away series but England lost their No.1 in home. This shows tat they were not worthy for no.1 position.

  • on August 21, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    As unpleasant as it must be for Strauss to confront the truth, the fact is that Old Father Time's finally caught up with him. Nowhere was this more evident than at Lord's, where he was beaten in both innings by straight balls: a sure sign that his reactions have slowed & his judgement has become highly suspect. As many have pointed out previously, Strauss is a decent, unselfish, highly intelligent man with an enviable gift for self-analysis. One hopes he can now apply that decency & intelligence in coming to the conclusion that, for the good of the team, now is the time to step aside - not least because Alastair Cook simply *has* to be given sufficient time to bed in as captain before the Ashes marathon of 2013-14.

  • ruester on August 21, 2012, 2:57 GMT

    Very poor performances from England and indeed Strauss, England certainly needed KP in this match and its a shame that the management of such a key player is so poor on both sides. A lot of players need to have a look at themselves, particularly the captain, and Broad. We have lots of fast bowling options but when your opening bowler is struggling to bowl over 80 mph its time to let another guy have a go. I am not saying rebuild the team as the likes of Bairstow will come in. I do think Strauss has had his time and he has served England, I would like to see Trott move up to open and have Taylor at 3 with KP and Bell to follow. Bairstow or Bopara at 6. Main priority, build back the bridges and get KP back in the squad.

  • on August 21, 2012, 2:50 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster,@Balaji Gururajan Dear Indian fans,you people point out that No 1 means they have to play in all condition.Then How INDIA came in no 1 .They are whitewashed by england and australia 4-0. In India even wicket keeper cannot collect the ball(some piches with low bounce&some without bounce).This is called a non sporting track. This is why we dont have Quality fast bowlers and always we have to face white washes overseas.(south africa,england,australia).Friends Please check records of indias tours of southafrica&south africas tours of india.

  • Just_love_it on August 21, 2012, 2:48 GMT

    I know its not in years for sure but Can any Die hard Poms fan tell us exactly how many months England lasted @ #1 ? :)

  • on August 21, 2012, 2:42 GMT

    If KP was there, he sure would coneal this win for England and become MVP, mark my words!

  • disco_bob on August 21, 2012, 2:18 GMT

    @Sunil Xavier "England is the second best team in the world...", yesterday they were No.1, after 1 comes 2. Can you see a pattern emerging?

  • disco_bob on August 21, 2012, 2:13 GMT

    "It's been a tiring week", That comment from Strauss is a badly disguised and sly excuse referring to the Pietersen incident. There is no need for excuses, they came up against a side that played consistently better cricket in every department, including their low media profile. Strauss's other comments indicated that his focus is on regaining the No 1 position. Has he not learned that it's better to simply play good cricket and forget about the title because as SA have shown, the title takes care of itself. When they got their undeserved No.1 status, we, were bombarded with neverending reminders and bluster. Now, instead of merciful relief from their incessant boasting, we have to still hear about their mission to regain the No. 1 position. I pity the poor England supporter. I'm sure SA will carry their new mantle with dignity and maintain a healthy respect for the opposition. Can't wait for the Aussie SA series.

  • allblue on August 21, 2012, 2:09 GMT

    @Milhouse79 Yeah, it's weird isn't it! On Strauss, if he feels he's still got it in him he'll lead the team to India. His 2nd innings dismissal was a sure sign of someone worn down and weary of it all, and I read the fight and spirit shown down the order as the team sending him a message saying him they want him to stay. A popular captain, a successful captain until this last 12 months it's still his job if he wants it. I've not read all the comments hare, but I take it we all noticed that the lad brought in to directly replace KP was the highest scorer on both sides in the match, with a wonderfully apposite 149 runs. Getting the team back together, re-instilling the previous cohesion and spirit is the task, and Strauss is best placed to do that. I don't see a place for KP there though.

  • on August 21, 2012, 2:04 GMT

    Thats what being No. 1 means. Tigers at home and kittens abroad. But when you get beaten at home, then it falls apart. When India were No.1, they played quite a lot of tests at home and when they abroad and got beaten 0-8, they fell to No.5 in rankings. The ranking system itself is faulty. It must be counted only when all teams have played the same amount of matches. Now that India is playing at home and against Newzealand, their ranking shuld improve.

  • on August 21, 2012, 2:02 GMT

    Fact is South Africa is way more talented than England can handle even on their best days. There is no Dale Steyn, Hashim Amla, AB Devilliers and Kallis in English side. On top of that Strauss is no match compared to Smith in terms of captaincy and to make things worst England have dropped their most gifted and naturally talented batsmen ever. Love or hate, KP is the best batsman England has ever produced. No one played McGrath, Lee, Steyn and Warne under pressure better than KP. Time to kick out over hyped players out. Face the facts and bring KP back. Give him freedom to play. He is not a match winner, he is a series sealer.

  • Divinetouch on August 21, 2012, 1:54 GMT

    Chris_P,

    I am Guyanese - for a lesson i Geography I share a country with Shiv Chanderpaul and find it rude that you describe the Indians as a mob. Where is your culture. Also why don't u acknowledge that England ruled the roost for the shortest period of time. I guess u need to grow up and be more polite.

  • on August 21, 2012, 1:52 GMT

    Analyzing the whole series is not doing any good,that is the reason they play the game Let's give credit where credit is due,South Africa were by far the the better team and the result is a fair reflection of that,to say Strauss did not get the best out of his players- great players should be able to do that by themselves Bravo South Africa!!

  • whiskey_dosa on August 21, 2012, 1:41 GMT

    @Milhouse, why the surprise? South Africa beat their A team (comprising of a couple of Brits). Strauss wants to sit with Flower to map out the future? Like getting a catching coach?

  • RedShirt on August 21, 2012, 1:41 GMT

    By any chance can flower & Strauss get the mace back by talking to the referee ? Seriously ... not joking. It will be sportive that way.

  • Pontiac on August 21, 2012, 1:20 GMT

    Look, is it really so much about whether the dressing room likes Strauss as whether the ECB likes Strauss? If the management likes Strauss then like water rolls downhill so there will be a dressing room that works for Strauss and the ECB, all very comfortable and cozy.. Whether this is the best team available to England is, of course, another matter entirely.

  • ashes61 on August 21, 2012, 1:10 GMT

    In 51 years of following cricket I have admired several ENG captains. MJK Smith; Close before his sacking in '67; Illingworth & Brearley obviously, and Hussain & Vaughan were the right men for the times & the teams they led. But I have NEVER admired an ENG skipper more then Strauss. Difficult to put a finger on it. Not the greatest tactician ( but not as bad as many imply) but it is clear his team would run through a brick wall for him & that's good enough for me. He & Flower have performed a miracle. We need him now more than ever, once he has rested. Downside? Well, he has a bit of a gap between now & his next Test match in IND, but if he can knock up 150 against IND in a WC ODI, he can do it in a Test. Lance the boil by consigning the Quisling to history & lead ENG in IND and the next two Ashes series. Agree with Nutcutlet 100%. Cpt. Meanster: I enjoy many of your posts but your latest was completely tongue in cheek, yes? You witness a GREAT Test & then babble on about T20!!!???

  • aracer on August 21, 2012, 1:07 GMT

    So the talk from the India fans starts already. Can I just check how many of you were predicting a 4-0 win for India at the start of last year's series?

  • CMike on August 21, 2012, 0:56 GMT

    Another fake number 1, back yard bully fell aside to pave the way for true champions to become number 1. I wish SA stays on the top for a long time.. Scared to think about England's upcoming series in the sub-continent!!! Who knows they may end up in 4th like Indians did after their away series.

  • Manush on August 21, 2012, 0:38 GMT

    Without doubt Strauss played major role in developing a strong team after Vaughn but he must go as his contribution as opening bat has been very inconsistent and poor and has been the cause for putting extra pressure on the top order. Burying ego clash bring back KP and make him accountable and stop all unwanted talks !!. Andy should come down if he wants to continue !!!

    Facing India,without KP, result will be the same story. Build top and middle order around Cook,KP,Trott and Bell with new talents. Bowling is their strength and with Prior, they can claim the lost position.

  • on August 21, 2012, 0:36 GMT

    Mr Milhouse79 you can talk as big as you want, but Aussie have won 3 world cups and India have won 1 world cup. I dont recall anything England have won even though they have hosted 4 world cups out of 10 world cups so far. You guys can never win anything. Winning is an attitude ..

  • Webba84 on August 21, 2012, 0:13 GMT

    @Milhouse79 - Since when was it pollution to express an opinion? Or are people not allowed to have an opinion about this match if they are from Australia or India? Grow up, mate, just because someone says something thats hard for your to hear (maybe because theres some truth at the core of it) doesn't make them pollution. And Australia's lack of talent doesn't mean England is full of it. Quite simply England deserved to lose this series, they were outplayed by a better side, as they often were in the UAE and Sri Lanka. This comforting fantasy that after England became no1 other teams suddenly got harder to beat is ridiculous, when you lose its because the other guys played better, end of story. The rest of the world is under no obligation to be sad that England lost a number one ranking they dont deserve, sorry.

  • CSpiers on August 21, 2012, 0:04 GMT

    Strauss has been poor with the bat for a few year now, should be dropped if another failed series with the bat.

  • Chris_P on August 20, 2012, 23:58 GMT

    @DeathKnell. Worlks both ways. Prior dropped Amla when he was 2? The losing margin was 51? England took a first innings lead, this match was close. Second test, Pieterson only made one side black & blue. Black & blue flogging? Try recalling the results of Indian's last 8 away tests to really judge standards. Try appreciating the matches for what they were.

  • on August 20, 2012, 23:55 GMT

    Swann should write a book and KP should make another video.

  • MinusZero on August 20, 2012, 23:53 GMT

    You just have to look at the series batting and bowling stats, SA out did them all over the park

  • Jaffa79 on August 20, 2012, 23:32 GMT

    It really is very sad indeed that so many sad and bitter Indian and Australian fans pollute these pages with their views. Sure, England were outplayed and South Africa thoroughly deserve to win this series but the amount of nonsensical vitriol that has been aimed at England is truly laughable! Just because England have dished out recent thrashings to both teams shouldn't make you guys throw the toys out of the pram so readily! Lack of talent in England? Aussies, do please remember that you guys have recently included Forrest and Steve Smith in your ODI team!

  • brusselslion on August 20, 2012, 23:31 GMT

    I would agree that overall, Strauss has been a good England captain & it is clear that most of the squad like & respect him. In addition, until last summer his record as a Test opening batsman was good. However, since the last Ashes series, his batting has ranged from mediocre to poor (& is currently stuck in the latter camp). Having said that he is a good captain, tactically he is no Brearley so, as other posters have said, unless you believe that taking the captaincy away will allow him to start posting decent scores again, his position must be looked at. There is an hier apparant (Cook) cut from the same cloth so the risk of dressing room unrest should be minimised if Strauss is removed. In terms of a replacement opener, once again I agree with a previous poster: Carberry or Root. The latter looks to have something about him although a team in India containing Root, Bairstow & Taylor is certainly high risk. Carberry is solid & deserves something to go right after all his bad luck.

  • jr1972 on August 20, 2012, 23:28 GMT

    I have always had mixed feelings about the conservative captaincy of Strauss so personally I would not see his on-field captaincy as a big loss. It's not as if his form is giving him an automatic avenue into the side either. However his effect on the squad should not be underestimated.

  • Flat_Track_bullies on August 20, 2012, 23:27 GMT

    I think most importantly - Strauss's MAN MANAGEMENT SKILLS are questionable. There KP and to an extent, bopara, never felt part of this team. Learn from Smith how he is able to gel a team with such differing backgrounds....

  • Zahidsaltin on August 20, 2012, 23:20 GMT

    England needs KP more than anything else and more so when they visit India. Strauss should have resigned before adding an indian loss to the list. Andy Flower needs to come down with his ego and solv KP problem for the benefit of England.

  • NanoTechnology on August 20, 2012, 23:02 GMT

    Sadly I think Strauss may be close to the end. Were he not captain his place would probably have been dropped some time ago, and it now appears he isn't getting the best out of his players. I don't know who or what the answer is, but were it not for Finn and Bairstow in this test the picture would be looking a little grim. Of course, five of England's best players over the past few years (Swann, Anderson,Broad, Trott and Bell) had a poor series, and if even two of them had played like they can it would have been closer. The question now is, do they swap out a few (Broad would be first on the block I imagine), or do they find a way to get these known performers back into their groove? Bell was magnificent in SA, so he should know he's good enough, and the others would make it into almost any team in the world. Sad though, I was looking forward to seeing Anderson really testing Kallis, Amla, etc. Humph.

  • noplay on August 20, 2012, 22:50 GMT

    The spunk shown in the English resistance my friends is similar to what we saw from Darren Sammy and Tino Best in the recent series against West Indies. They play their swashbuckling best but it makes no difference to the outcome. That is not a true test cricket scenario. I feel sorry for Strauss because he really had no answer to SA but I don't see anyone there you can hand over the captaincy to

  • 512fm on August 20, 2012, 22:37 GMT

    Strauss really should retire, I mean why is he talking about captaincy when hes 35 and barely made a run for ages (apart from against the West Indies). Its time for Cook to take over and for another opener to come in for Strauss.

  • RK204 on August 20, 2012, 22:17 GMT

    oh no!!!!!!!!!!! feel bore to watch test match..........................lol....................who cares no 1 or 2..........................SF is now no 1 bcz ENG let them to be so.......... & another thing now the game is on..........they have now their competitor to fight ..........otherwise at this moment there is a few team who really cares about test matches ..........pls don't mind i may be wrong...good luck ENG & SF

  • on August 20, 2012, 22:12 GMT

    i think that S.A played realy well nd they deserve the no 1 spot......... on other hand i think that some bad decsion taken by england at the wrong time....why steven finn not opening the bowling??? .... i think that england should have monty panesar in the team.. kallis amla nd advillers all are strugling against the left arm spiner...nd congratz to S.A <3

  • on August 20, 2012, 21:53 GMT

    I think this England even without KP is a good team. The spunk shown by the English lower order batsmen is to be appreciated. The captain needs a bit of respite from non-cricketing distractions and focus on rebuilding once back.

    I think England will win back the No. 1 status soon. Though the Proteas deserve what they have now. Great team made of Great guys.

  • Nutcutlet on August 20, 2012, 21:43 GMT

    @Cpt Meanster: thank you for your response. It would be fun to share a long evening drink & discuss cricket in all its guises with you - the drink possibly not as long as the evening! We both share a deep love of the game & see the bigger picture Your comments are always of interest to me, even though I might disagree with some of them. BTW, T20 cricket should appeal to Americans, I think, because it chimes with your take on modern living - very 'instant' & for those with a short attention span:) BW

  • straight_drive4 on August 20, 2012, 21:37 GMT

    i think Swann should write a book about this

  • on August 20, 2012, 21:27 GMT

    I seldom call for people to be axed. In this case, I believe Strauss should hand over the captaincy to Cook in order to focus on his own batting. The Pietersen affair has muddied the waters. A fresh approach worked when Strauss and Flower took the reins. In this case, handing Cook the Test captaincy would give that. Knowing when to go is difficult. Ponting should have resigned after the 2009 Ashes defeat and mistakenly stayed on. What happened when he finally left the captaincy hotseat? The batting form came back and he looked like a Test batsman again after a difficult year.

    As defeats go, this isn't a bad one. Bairstow has shown some fighting spirit without entirely ending talk of his technique at this level. Finn to my mind should have been playing all summer ahead of either Broad or Bresnan, players whose stock has dropped substantially. The prospect of a Finn-Topley opening attack in the future is an exciting one to my mind.

  • on August 20, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    @Sunil Xavier - Sir, what exactly do u mean by "sporting wicket"? Its universal that a home team prepares pitches based on their strengths and not on oponents' strengths. If India is blamed for preparing turning tracks with spinners considered as strength then Australia and SA should also be blamed for preparing only fast bouncy tracks as per their strength. We had an amazing U-19 WC QF when scores of both teams combined did not cross 280! What matters is the entertainment value got from the cricket

  • phoenixsteve on August 20, 2012, 21:26 GMT

    Interesting interview and comments from Andrew Strauss. As ever he's a class act - even when suffering the disappointment of personal form and the loss of a world title. A title which I have always said was 'meaningless' but does give bragging rights! South Africa played hard and well. Despite the Oval (where the series was lost) I don't think that there is much to chose between the bowling attacks. The stand out SA bowler was Philander whereas the English stand out bowler was Finn. It was the batting and the catching that made a real difference. Amla had a superb series and just about all the SA top order contributed. I'm still at a loss to understand WHY Strauss didn't make better use of Finn? England can take some positives from this series - even though they played poorly? The emergence of Bairstow, Prior's consistency, Finn's display and the blooding of newboy Taylor. I think they've outgrown Bresnan and need to get Onions in the side. Broad's bowling is a bit of a worry though!

  • LeeHallam on August 20, 2012, 21:22 GMT

    South Africa deserved to win, and to be world number one, it was no disgrace to lose to them. They will I am sure beat Australia this winter, and reinforce their position. Strauss has been a fine captain, he should only resign when he feels he is no longer worth his place in the side. there is no better candidate as captain waiting to replace him.

  • on August 20, 2012, 21:19 GMT

    Kevin would have made a difference...Struas could not handle a man more talented than him

  • howardroark_fh on August 20, 2012, 21:00 GMT

    i cant understand some indian cricket fans making fun of england. it's south africa who has beaten england guys, not india. of course u ve suffered abuse from english fans but u shld return it in ur bilateral series

  • OttawaRocks on August 20, 2012, 20:54 GMT

    The sound thrashing SA have provided England show their clear superiority over England. To punctuate this chasm of talent and skill that SA possess over England, SA have mashed England 2-0 in England's home conditions. Its a shame England will never amount to much and are only showing their true colours with 5 of 6 lost to SA and Pakistan recently. A further hiding is in store once they visit India later in the season so that England can once again resume their laughable state.

  • on August 20, 2012, 20:51 GMT

    Hard luck to England, only because they put some pressure on SA from behind. But ECB, based on this series, can do two things. 1. Applaud the audacity of Swann, Broad, Bresnan and continue with this team. 2. Question why they are not bowling as they used to before. Yes bowling was difficult (even Steyn and Morkel struggled) but why could not they put that extra yard in a home series? Even for Fin, I am not convinced he is a complete bowler (those bursts were one of the best the world has seen, so there is potential I agree), but those are all using conditions like slope, weather conditions etc, so the verdict is reserved. Call me cynic, but when your county bowler is taking 9 wickets, you will be expected more on cloudy conditions. So ECB should review if they want all rounders

  • Greatest_Game on August 20, 2012, 20:50 GMT

    Bye Bye Straussy. You are only scoring runs against weaker teams, & you just led Eng to the "Single Greatest Defeat in the History of Test Cricket," at the Oval, lost at Lords, lost the series, lost the Test Championship Mace & the #1 ranking, lost at home for the first time since 2008 when England lost to…err…South Africa, lost the plot with KP…..etc. It is over, and in your heart you know it. Nasser Hussain and Michael Vaughn knew it too. Take a couple of weeks, then announce your retirement for "personal & family reasons," ya know. You knew it would have to happen if the score ended up as Smith 3, England Captains 0. Thanks for the 100 tests and a really good Captaincy!

  • serious-am-i on August 20, 2012, 20:27 GMT

    @Mark Frayne-Johnson: Players coming around from India will be well prepared to play England, as most of the Indians are used to dust bowls, you are not going to get wild swing after the first hour. There are test commodity players in the Indian ranks, its just international teams haven't had much of a chance to look at them. Even though u have been quite modest with your expectations, I expect 1-0 or 0-0 for the Ind vs Eng series.

  • serious-am-i on August 20, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    I always stated England were never deserved to be no.1 tests, India didn't deserve it either. SAF deserved better than these 2 teams after Australia but as we know about the loopholes in the points system these 2 teams jumped to be table toppers. India have been a strong team @ home, same has been the case of England, these 2 teams are almost pathetic at away conditions. One fails are greeny tops while other fails at dust bowls. The only team which did fairly at both were SAF. So, congrats SAF on being number 1. Just stay at the top until some team really comes forward with good wins at both home & away. We just don't want to see any more namesake number 1 team. btw! I am an Indian, still I reckon India didn't deserve to be no.1 in tests period.

  • disco_bob on August 20, 2012, 20:21 GMT

    Is it possible that the press can declare a moratorium on the use of the phrase "dressing room", before my head explodes.

  • switchmitch on August 20, 2012, 20:19 GMT

    It has finally come to pass...SA was just awesome in this series. It is funny to see so many articles stating that this series was a "close one" and a battle between equals. If not for KP, it could have been a 3-nil sledgehammer. English media, just like their Indian counterparts will never change I guess...

  • irfan897 on August 20, 2012, 20:14 GMT

    G.Smith finished Nasser Husain's career in 2003 then Michael Vaughan's in 2008 and now its Andrew Strauss turn............ clock is ticking Mr struassy

  • Sledge0107 on August 20, 2012, 20:10 GMT

    How frustrating it must be as a professional sports person in this country. We can't wait to criticise and contemplate their demise. Why are we even discussing whether Andrew Strauss should resign? He has presided over the transformation of an under-achieving group into a highly professional and competitive outfit, capable of beating the best in the world on any given day. He and the team deserve support and credit, even when they may not have their best days. Surprisingly enough, few people in this world need reminding when they haven't been at their best. Even more surprising to many would be the fact that they are trying their damnedest to put that right. Why do we have to debate whether England should have been #1. The fact is that based on their results and the current ranking system they have been #1 on merit, and now South Africa are #1 on merit. To offer any other opinion is mis-informed at best.

  • Sanj747 on August 20, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    England back to old habits. Can't have a captain who can't score against top class bowling, makes poor selections (leaving Swann out at Headingley) and then can't put his foot down when it matters. Poor series as batsman against SAF and PAK this year both lost series when the man at the helm needs to lead.

  • on August 20, 2012, 20:05 GMT

    Without that KP innings in the second test, this series would have been a whitewash. England batsmen needs to rethink their gameplan. Days of reaching No 1 by bashing poor depleted bowling lineup of India and Australia are over. The Pakistan series showed how incompetent the batsmen are playing quality spin. And now the SA series showed how bad they are playing quality fast bowling.

  • on August 20, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    Guys I think we are missing an important point and a key person.Gary Kirsten wherever he is going the team is becoming world number 1.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 20, 2012, 20:02 GMT

    @Sunil Xavier: Friend, what you call "un sporting wicket", I call "home advantage". SA have a weakness to spin, and India managed to exploit that well. Would it be fair if India called a quick pitch in Kingsmead or Wanderers as "un sporting" ? That's what home advantage is all about. If you can't win as an away team in all conditions, then too bad you are not good enough. SA managed to play well in all conditions throughout this tour. That is why they are no.1 and rightly so. India were pathetic last year because they couldn't cope with the conditions and lost to a then professional England outfit. So if a team plays well anywhere and in any condition, they deserve a world no.1 ranking. It doesn't matter which country takes the title.

  • indiarox4ever on August 20, 2012, 20:00 GMT

    It was quite a sight to see the English 'paper mache' fortress dissolve in no time and even funnier was their attempt to replace KP with Taylor and Bairstow . Because SA were in a hurry to get those wickets, some English batsmen could score in the second innings and Strauss starts talking about close matches.Ha Ha Ha Ha Andy Flower say something pleeeeeeeeease

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 20, 2012, 19:50 GMT

    @Bramblefly: Hahahahah.... nice joke ! Do you do stand ups as a career ?

  • AdrianVanDenStael on August 20, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    Australia won the 2001 Ashes 4-1, not 3-1. Please correct, cricinfo.

  • on August 20, 2012, 19:41 GMT

    Bairstow has done something almost equal to , if not better, than what KP has done...his performance way similar to the ashes 2005 final test where KP saved the match with his maiden century..in Bairstow's case, its even better- No:1 position at stake, must win test, and after all, replacement for their superstar world class batsman. Just imagine the pressure on the poor bloke, and why i rate his performance in this test better than KP in ashes 2005 is that unlike KP, he didn't play for a draw, he gave his best shot at victory. Eng might have lost the series, but they've discovered bairstow.

  • on August 20, 2012, 19:39 GMT

    England is the second best team in the world,South africa are surely No1. Indians are drawing the home series against south africa by making non sporting wickets.congrats south africa you are only team plays in every conditions.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 20, 2012, 19:38 GMT

    Well I know India were spineless when they lost 4-0 to England last year BUT they lost it while AWAY from home. This is embarrassing for England, no matter how good SA played. Losing at home is most insulting... and England have done that a few times in the past. Things won't get easier for them. A tough winter awaits them and the next Ashes could get interesting if a similar trend continues. However, there are positives like always. Jonny Bairstow and Steve Finn are quickly becoming my favourite English cricketers. I like that boy Bairstow. He's got the ability to succeed. Broad and Anderson were miserable.. more like medium pacers. Swann as usual did a decent job. But at the end of the day, life goes on.

  • DeathKnell on August 20, 2012, 19:36 GMT

    @Chris_P - 2nd test rain saved england, 3rd test 2 umpiring blunders brought the match closer..all in all beaten blue & black.....

  • on August 20, 2012, 19:36 GMT

    Hey, Mickey Arthur is coaching Australia and he knows how to beat this team.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 20, 2012, 19:31 GMT

    @Nutcutlet: I applaud you for your love of test cricket. But you cannot say T20 isn't the best entertainment form of the game. Test cricket is OVER DEPENDANT on pitch condition, weather etc. T20 is more like modern society - quick, productive, refreshing, and exciting. What's best is that T20 doesn't depend much on other factors. A short and lovely format of cricket which will appeal to any non-cricketing country. Test cricket is complicated and slow. The other day my American friend had big problems understanding it. And I wasn't patient enough to explain it to him. Test cricket, while being considered premier by some, is more suited to the colonial times. I don't enjoy test cricket much but this game was all right. I am proud to be a T20 fan dear friend.

  • Cricketolympian on August 20, 2012, 19:26 GMT

    Andrew Strauss is the finest captain that England have produced in the 45 years that I have watched Test match cricket. I still remember the dark days when we were 8th in the world! MS Dhoni never resigned after heavy heavy defeats, Ricky Ponting never resigned despite heavy Ashes defeats, neither did Graham Smith after they were beaten by the Aussies in South Africa. The Ashes series in Australia will and should be is swan song. Keep Calm Andrew and Carry On!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 20, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    Strauss, Cook, Trott, Bell, ???, Prior, Bresnan/Broad, Swann/Monty, Finn, Onions, ???. Please stay on Strauss, but help England figure out those ???'s. Decent squad, worthy of top 2 in the world, but form and too much time spent on Twitter are their biggest threats besides SA.

  • on August 20, 2012, 19:19 GMT

    I still think Strauss is the best man to lead England over the next 18 months. There is no real outstanding opener in county cricket demanding to be picked through sheer volume of runs either (Root, Compton and Carberry would be the best options) and Strauss deserves the opportunity to try and right the wrongs of a disastrous 2012 so far. His greatest challenge will be how he manages the KP situation as, difficult as he is, Pietersen is too good and too young to be cast in to the T20 world freelancing circus just yet. Strauss will be helped with two winnable series home and away vs New Zealand and India are not the force they once were - even at home. No Dravid, no Laxman and a fading Tendulkar will not give England the problems of the past and it will be rare for England to have the better spinner(s) in Swann and Panesar. I would forecast a 1-1 for India away, 2-0 win against New Zealand away before a clean sweep at home. And then the Ashes....a long range guess is 3-1 England !!

  • on August 20, 2012, 19:17 GMT

    Difficult to call this team number one based on just one away win against Australia in last 3 years. True test will be by the end of this year. Lets hope Straussi keeps his england cap after India series. I think they would really struggle against indian kids now.

  • SuperSaj on August 20, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    well they are certainly not going to win it back this winter in India. 3-0 or 4-0 to India

  • StatisticsRocks on August 20, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    I am sorry ! but why Should Strauss resign? He was not responsible for 9 dropped catches nor was he responsible for ENG bowlers managing to take only 2 wickets in the first test match. Yes he had a bad run with the bat. For me the two big mistakes. KP saga aside, were not playing Finn in the first match and dropping Swan in the second. I'll wait until the India tour later this year and then the Ashes to see how Strauss does. If he continues to fail with the bat, then Eng should drop him.

  • mk49_van on August 20, 2012, 18:53 GMT

    "Small margins between the sides". huh? A team with a recent record of 6 losses to 1 win is hardly #1 material.

  • Springbok111 on August 20, 2012, 18:45 GMT

    I honestly don't think Strauss should resign as captain because of this defeat, but in the same breath I do think the England selectors should be taking a good hard look at wether he deserves his place in the team at all! There are better batsmen than him knocking at the door.

  • on August 20, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Perverse as this may sound the defeat further strengthens Strauss. KP acted like a diva. ECB selectors came down on KP. Johnny came good. Margin of defeat was close enough to make KP the traitor. Victory would not have made KP look as much a villain. Now KP is like the Joker(no pun intended).IF England beats the Aussies, every defeat is forgotten. Life is good. Business as usual. Replace Taylor with Bopara or whoever and it is still the same side..right?

  • the_blue_android on August 20, 2012, 18:40 GMT

    <<The last time England lost a home Test series by more than one match was against Australia, who prevailed 3-1 in the 2001 Ashes>> Author may try to hide the home series losses as much as they can but everyone knows how many series England has lost at home. India may fail miserably overseas, but they never lost at home this embarrassingly!

  • Bramblefly on August 20, 2012, 18:34 GMT

    Carry on Andrew. South Africa are the number one side in the world now but India and Australia are way behind and there for the taking.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on August 20, 2012, 18:33 GMT

    Why did England leave it until the 4th innings, day 5, third test of a series before they started playing cricket?

  • bumsonseats on August 20, 2012, 18:30 GMT

    we were well beaten by a better team. during the WI series we dropped a lot of catches. it was mentioned we could not expect to win against the saffers if we did that. well we did and were sloppy though out. Strauss still deserves to be captain as he still has credits to his name. will the saffers still hold the #1 position in a year, i expect them to do so. their bowlers showed much more hostility and their batters valued their wicket much more than englands. the KP incident did not help our cause, but he could not have been selected after what he did and i would say to him thanks, but we will not select you again. you made your bed go sleep in it.

  • hhillbumper on August 20, 2012, 18:30 GMT

    strauus deserves the chance to continue.Hopefully he will keep working through the winter so that he can have one more crack at the Aussies.it might be a blessing to lose no 1 as England seem to play better on the way up than at the top.Also this should see the end of KP for good as it is time to move forwards and back some younger home grown talent

  • PPD123 on August 20, 2012, 18:29 GMT

    Where are Ian Botham and Nasser Hussain.... I want to hear what they have to say now... when Eng was thrashing India 4-0, they were being berated... players were called donkeys, old and aging and not befitting a No 1 side.... now look whats happened to Eng after they became No 1... got pummeled by Pak and SA and barely managed to draw level with SL after losing the 1st test (that too cos of KP) else they would have lost that series as well. Eng are a good side... make no mistake. I am sure they will bounce back, but I do not think this side can be compaired with the Aussies of last decade or Windies of 80s. Have lots of respect for those teams... cos they were the best and maintained their standards over a period of time. Looking at the current state of affairs... with 3 different teams being No1 iin the last one year, tells us that their are a lot more teams closer together at the top and that is a positive sign cos it ensures a lot of good contests between these sides.

  • on August 20, 2012, 18:28 GMT

    England paid the price of foolishly removing their best batsmen, atleast for this game. But they were never a deserving number 1 anyway, so its good that SA has finally reached their well deserved position. Congrats to them.

  • on August 20, 2012, 18:21 GMT

    Shame on England supporters who blatantly defamed and abused the Indian side when they lost their number 1 glory. Atleast Indians were able to hold back that mace for 2-3 years. They struggled in South Africa but not succumbed the way the English side did. Also, India before their disastrous tours to England and Australia, atleast won or drew elsewhere. On the contrary, England kept loosing outside their country. Actually, England is not the team to win everywhere. When the sun is behind the clouds, their bowlers make hay on English pitches. Once offered the sub-continent pitches or pitches elsewhere, they too come up with more excuses. Needless to say about KP fiasco. South Africa is the true CHAMPION side and must remain number one from now onwards. Congratulations South Africa, a grand salute from an Indian supporter. You deserved this. Savour the moment. Kudos !

  • bigwonder on August 20, 2012, 18:04 GMT

    It is time for Strauss to take a step back and ponder on what could have been done differently. Would it have been better to stick with Swann during 2nd test? Strauss accepted that they were never the favourites to win the game, does it really matter who the favourites are? At the end, everyone (but England fans) predicted it correctly, SA will win the series and take #1 spot. Now let's see how ranking obsessed England team reacts.

  • on August 20, 2012, 18:00 GMT

    Come winter this year in India, awaits another drubbing to England.

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 20, 2012, 17:58 GMT

    I think he has still some cricket left . may be 1-2 years

  • Unomaas on August 20, 2012, 17:53 GMT

    Biff might not have retired an England Captain but he incidentally retired a previous ex pom captain in KP. Does that count?

  • coolindianfan on August 20, 2012, 17:45 GMT

    happy for southafrica they won and deserved to be the no 1 . the englishmen had some fire in their belly and gave a good fight .which india unfortunately lacked in their 2 away series . but was not enough .maybe pietersens presence was missed .strauss is a good captain he dint play well in this series . but should carry on

  • Aneesmoha on August 20, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    If he does resign he would be the third captain Greame Smith has gotten sacked. Must send shivers down the spine of the next captain. Checking schedules to see when he will be facing Smith. Kind of like a fixed term contract. At least the new guy will have four years at the helm.

  • on August 20, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    Good news Straussy, welcome to India!!! You and your folks are overdue for a payback.

  • NaniIndCri on August 20, 2012, 17:34 GMT

    That ends the "ERA" of 12 months.

  • Wynand80 on August 20, 2012, 17:32 GMT

    So what was touted to be one of the greatest teams in history after beating India last year at home, England have found that it is not that easy to be world number 1 (forget being one of the greatest teams ever). But if Mr. Strauss thinks the worst is over, I have a feeling it is not - India are waiting to repay a small debt accrued last year in England - a return walloping in India. And if I were Andrew Strauss, I would bring Pieterson along (now that the number 6 slot has been sorted with JBairstow), so I give myself the best chance and team to take on India in India. England, the whole of India waits to welcome you soon!

    There is a small debt to repay Mr. Strauss - a return walloping in India.

  • Nutcutlet on August 20, 2012, 17:32 GMT

    Never underestimate Strauss! He's been in rough patches before & come back even stronger. It's absolutely clear that his team would walk over burning coals for him such is his stock in the England camp. He may not be the greatest tactical captain England has ever had, but he is up there with Brearley as a manager of his men. Today, as England fought as hard as they knew how to win the match against all odds, I had the feeling that they were batting & battling for their captain as much as their country, especially as the so-called star player was absent. And what a Test it was! Played in the right spirit on a perfect Test match pitch between sides that were giving their all from first ball to last, this match was a resounding repost to those who laud T20 as the best entertainment cricket can offer. How wrong they are! SA was deservedly victorious being the better side in all departments except w/keeping.Long live Test cricket and all who step up to play in the premier form of the game!

  • V.Jammy on August 20, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    Now where from has this resignation issue generated? Andrew Strauss lead the team to No. 1 ranking! And today when the team went down fighting bravely, they need to back him for another shot at the Top rank!

  • Narbavi on August 20, 2012, 17:25 GMT

    the guy's profile looks weak personally, his average is really down, poor among his batsmen, his career will be over if he loses in india, and where are the indian team haters now?? its time to talk!! atleast our team was no.1 for two and half yrs and were good in that period till the time we lost 4-0, but england have been way too poor losing 6 tests and winning just 3 during their reign!!

  • Garp on August 20, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    To bad the main batsmen who should have that never say due attitude have the attitude and composure of a timid schoolboy ie: Strauss, Cook, and Bell. I mean come on 16 runs between the 3 of you! Seriously! On that fact alone the 3 of you should be dropped.

  • on August 20, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    Australia won the 2001 Ashes 4-1.

  • edwin.gmail on August 20, 2012, 17:22 GMT

    Australia beat England 4 - 1 in 2001 ashes

  • Chris_P on August 20, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    After the effort of the first test, England showed a lot of grit to make the Boks earn their victory. To have put up a solid performance in this test is a positive they can take away, but certainly, the Saffers were at the top of their game throughout the whole series. It was great test match cricket.

  • bigdhonifan on August 20, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    As no 1 Test side: INDIA 22 mts, 9 wins, 7 losses, 6 drawn (win% 40.91) and ENGLAND 11 mts, 3 wins, 6 losses, 2 drawn (win% 27.27)

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 20, 2012, 17:18 GMT

    I think it's pretty unfair to think Strauss would step down following this humiliation. He cannot play for the other 10 guys in the team. Every member of the team is responsible and should be held equally accountable. Naw, I would give him another series. Besides, he was the one who took England to back-to-back Ashes victories. I feel sorry for him. The English team got itself into a lot of tussle and chaos following the KP incident. But that should not take anything away from our new NO.1 team - SA !! Well done boys... I hope you remain there for many years. I am so happy for them.

  • on August 20, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    Why resign? According to some it's just a bad patch, a pretty long one I must say.However he got one thing right, when he said that SA deserve to be #1. The fact of the matter is that int'l bowlers around the world have got the measure of Strauss.

  • on August 20, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    overrated english team finally shown that they are not good enough. Will never dominate like the great westindies and australia lol enjoy being knocked out in the t20 world cup and then losing to india ahahahahahahahahahhahahahah

  • mahesh3133 on August 20, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    strauss needs to retire, along with flower. england need a new approach - with an integrated pietersen.

  • praveen4honestremark on August 20, 2012, 17:10 GMT

    Blaming a single guy for a complete team failure and an article dedicated only for it?? Surprised O-O

  • rahulcricket007 on August 20, 2012, 17:06 GMT

    yes strauss please don't retire .please come to india in november . india will be very haapy to play against a player who is hopeless against spinners , also has troubles against left arm seamers (zaheer khan) . 1 wkt already down .

  • Munkeymomo on August 20, 2012, 17:04 GMT

    They did better than it looked they would at one point. Congrats to SA though, clearly the number one side in test cricket now. Going to give England a good test in ODIs now, which they are very strong in, and 2020, which England are very strong in. Hopefully some entertaining stuff. As for Strauss, if he retires from the captaincy he is retiring from the side, he isn't a good enough batsman to only open. Unless without the burden of captaincy he miraculously recovers his form. Doubt that. Shame, he has been a great captain for England, despite the recent slide. That and he is a really nice bloke. But Cook is nice too, so hopefully he succeeds him. So long as it isn't Broad I'll be happy.

  • ToTellUTheTruth on August 20, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    No shame in losing to a better team. Straussy. You are the best man to lead England. Have faith and go back to the drawing board. Keep that egoist out of the dressing room and re-build the team.

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  • ToTellUTheTruth on August 20, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    No shame in losing to a better team. Straussy. You are the best man to lead England. Have faith and go back to the drawing board. Keep that egoist out of the dressing room and re-build the team.

  • Munkeymomo on August 20, 2012, 17:04 GMT

    They did better than it looked they would at one point. Congrats to SA though, clearly the number one side in test cricket now. Going to give England a good test in ODIs now, which they are very strong in, and 2020, which England are very strong in. Hopefully some entertaining stuff. As for Strauss, if he retires from the captaincy he is retiring from the side, he isn't a good enough batsman to only open. Unless without the burden of captaincy he miraculously recovers his form. Doubt that. Shame, he has been a great captain for England, despite the recent slide. That and he is a really nice bloke. But Cook is nice too, so hopefully he succeeds him. So long as it isn't Broad I'll be happy.

  • rahulcricket007 on August 20, 2012, 17:06 GMT

    yes strauss please don't retire .please come to india in november . india will be very haapy to play against a player who is hopeless against spinners , also has troubles against left arm seamers (zaheer khan) . 1 wkt already down .

  • praveen4honestremark on August 20, 2012, 17:10 GMT

    Blaming a single guy for a complete team failure and an article dedicated only for it?? Surprised O-O

  • mahesh3133 on August 20, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    strauss needs to retire, along with flower. england need a new approach - with an integrated pietersen.

  • on August 20, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    overrated english team finally shown that they are not good enough. Will never dominate like the great westindies and australia lol enjoy being knocked out in the t20 world cup and then losing to india ahahahahahahahahahhahahahah

  • on August 20, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    Why resign? According to some it's just a bad patch, a pretty long one I must say.However he got one thing right, when he said that SA deserve to be #1. The fact of the matter is that int'l bowlers around the world have got the measure of Strauss.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 20, 2012, 17:18 GMT

    I think it's pretty unfair to think Strauss would step down following this humiliation. He cannot play for the other 10 guys in the team. Every member of the team is responsible and should be held equally accountable. Naw, I would give him another series. Besides, he was the one who took England to back-to-back Ashes victories. I feel sorry for him. The English team got itself into a lot of tussle and chaos following the KP incident. But that should not take anything away from our new NO.1 team - SA !! Well done boys... I hope you remain there for many years. I am so happy for them.

  • bigdhonifan on August 20, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    As no 1 Test side: INDIA 22 mts, 9 wins, 7 losses, 6 drawn (win% 40.91) and ENGLAND 11 mts, 3 wins, 6 losses, 2 drawn (win% 27.27)

  • Chris_P on August 20, 2012, 17:20 GMT

    After the effort of the first test, England showed a lot of grit to make the Boks earn their victory. To have put up a solid performance in this test is a positive they can take away, but certainly, the Saffers were at the top of their game throughout the whole series. It was great test match cricket.