England v South Africa, 2nd NatWest ODI, West End August 27, 2012

Two impressive records collide

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Match Facts

August 28, West End
Start time 1pm (1200GMT)

The Big Picture

Persistent rainfall in Cardiff limited the action to just 33 legitimate deliveries in the first ODI, as England retained their No. 1 ranking by virtue of a no-result. In that short window, however, Ian Bell managed to hit Morne Morkel for sixes over midwicket and long-off, racing to one of the most classy (if pointless) 26 not outs you're likely to see. He only faced 18 deliveries in the mid-afternoon murk but it was enough to re-emphasise why England are happy with their post-Kevin Pietersen one-day set-up.

The proposition remains the same for the second match of the series, with a win for South Africa enough to depose England at the top of the rankings. Conceivably, the No. 1 tag could be handed back and forth in Chuckle Brothers style ("To me, to you") over the course of the next week and a bit, though England may hope that a return to the sort of damp, overcast conditions that provided the backdrop to their 4-0 win over Australia will aid their pursuit of a fourth consecutive ODI series victory in 2012.

Under AB de Villiers, South Africa have won six from eight ODIs, beating Sri Lanka 3-2 at home (losing only the two dead games) and then claiming a 3-0 whitewash in New Zealand. Few of the current squad have played at Hampshire's West End ground before, though they did manage a visit to nearby St Mary's for Southampton's Premier League match against Wigan at the weekend and may take inspiration from the visitors' 2-0 victory. At the very least, their warm-up games of football should show some improvement.

Form guide

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Watch out for...

Steven Finn has taken 23 ODI wickets at 15.91 in 2012, at a better strike-rate than any other bowler in the world with ten or more dismissals to their name. His fiery spell on day four of the third Test evoked the consistent hostility of Finn's recent one-day bowling, which appears to have improved his discipline and economy. A comparison with Lonwabo Tsotsobe, the only fast bowler currently ranked above him, should be interesting.

There are few bigger holes to fill in world cricket than that left by the rested Jacques Kallis. Dean Elgar made his South Africa debut in the first ODI, though it was limited to trudging around a wet outfield, and the 25-year-old should have a more extended chance to impress while filling in for Kallis at No. 3 this time around. Elgar won the domestic one-day cricketer of the year award in 2011-12 and his slow left-arm spin could come in useful if the pitch offers turn.

Team news

Despite Jonny Bairstow's T20 pyrotechnics, England seem unlikely to ditch Ravi Bopara, who returned to the side at Cardiff after time off for personal issues. Bopara's form is a question mark, however, and he was released to get some batting practice for Essex in the CB40 today. Samit Patel may return at the expense of Chris Woakes if England want a second spin option.

England (possible) 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Ian Bell, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Ravi Bopara, 5 Eoin Morgan, 6 Craig Kieswetter (wk), 7 Samit Patel/Chris Woakes, 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 James Anderson, 11 Steven Finn

Albie Morkel and Dale Steyn missed out on the brief skirmish at Cardiff due to minor injuries and neither is expected to play on Tuesday, though both should be fit for World Twenty20. South Africa could call on Imran Tahir after more than a year out of the one-day side.

South Africa (possible) 1 Graeme Smith, 2 Hashim Amla, 3 Dean Elgar, 4 AB de Villiers (capt & wk), 5 JP Duminy, 6 Faf du Plessis, 7 Ryan McLaren, 9 Wayne Parnell, 8 Robin Petersen, 10 Morne Morkel, 11 Lonwabo Tsotsobe

Pitch and conditions

On Twenty20 Finals Day in Cardiff, where the first ODI was rained off 24 hours earlier, Hampshire were presented with a familiar slow, low surface on which they duly prevailed. A similar track is perhaps to be expected at West End, though England made 288 against West Indies at the ground earlier this summer and with a bright, clear forecast, batsmen shouldn't fare too badly. De Villiers has consulted Hampshire's former South Africa international Neil McKenzie and he advised the touring party to expect the pitch to spin.

Stats and trivia

  • South Africa have played only once at the Rose Bowl, as it was then called, in 2003 against Zimbabwe - a match they won by seven wickets, with Graeme Smith scoring 69.

  • Ian Bell has made his two ODI hundreds - both scores of 126 - at the ground.

  • AB de Villiers currently averages 158.33 as captain/wicketkeeper of South Africa's ODI side.

  • As on Friday, if South Africa win this match they will become the first team to hold the No. 1 position in all three formats.

Quotes

"The guys who have come in and replaced him have done particularly well. Whoever has stepped up has done really, really well."
Eoin Morgan is the latest England player to field the KP question

"David has a bright future ahead of him and I look forward to playing with him one day, but we have just got quite a lot [of destructive batsman]."
Faf du Plessis on another Pietermaritzburg native left out for this series, David Miller

Alan Gardner is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • JG2704 on August 28, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    @SPT33 on (August 28 2012, 10:36 AM GMT) Surlycynic has basically booed throughout this SA tour and the SA born players playing for England has been one of his gripes. This despite his team coming out on top and despite the fact that ECB (Not ICC or anyone else) tightened their period for qualifying for non English players playing for England

  • SurlyCynic on August 28, 2012, 12:03 GMT

    SPT33 - So what if he's South African, has that stopped them from picking players before?

  • dsnagre on August 28, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    M.hafeez is world no.1 bowler just because tsotsobes 2.3 over in that rain affected match .shame such stupid system

  • dsnagre on August 28, 2012, 11:36 GMT

    How to post a comment during(in) live commentory....?

  • on August 28, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    @Stephen Anthony, England were suppose to win the Test series comfortably as well...

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 28, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    @jabrankundi you are wrong @JG2704 you are right IND won one test in WI (away) which is the same num as ENG and SA World cup wins (T20 and knockout).

    But i agree with you guys the question is invalid :)

    Cheers!!

  • SPT33 on August 28, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    @ SurlyCynic I hope you realise that David Miller is actually South African and is cuurently contracted to CSA. How in the world is England going to get it right for him to play for them internationally...think again. Get your facts straight my man.

  • Highflyer_GP on August 28, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    @Stephen Anthony: Where have we heard that before? Before the test series perhaps?

  • jmcilhinney on August 28, 2012, 10:19 GMT

    @Rajit on (August 28 2012, 07:20 AM GMT), you may have missed some of the subtlety of that comment. To a native English speaker it was obviously made "tongue-in-cheek". It was hardly bragging. Also, you certainly can compare Bell with KP. KP would generally come out favourably in such a comparison over the long haul but Bell has made a 100 and 3 50s so far this summer opening the batting in KP's stead with England not having lost a game so, to this point, KP could not really have done more. The fact that you might prefer KP doesn't mean that someone else cannot make the comparison, especially when there job is based on doing such things.

  • on August 28, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    hm, what tosh some people write about England. They didn't get to ODI number one by accident, they got there by being a very, very strong team, with or without you-know-who. Provided no more rain-offs occur, I expect them to win comfortably 3-1.

  • JG2704 on August 28, 2012, 15:22 GMT

    @SPT33 on (August 28 2012, 10:36 AM GMT) Surlycynic has basically booed throughout this SA tour and the SA born players playing for England has been one of his gripes. This despite his team coming out on top and despite the fact that ECB (Not ICC or anyone else) tightened their period for qualifying for non English players playing for England

  • SurlyCynic on August 28, 2012, 12:03 GMT

    SPT33 - So what if he's South African, has that stopped them from picking players before?

  • dsnagre on August 28, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    M.hafeez is world no.1 bowler just because tsotsobes 2.3 over in that rain affected match .shame such stupid system

  • dsnagre on August 28, 2012, 11:36 GMT

    How to post a comment during(in) live commentory....?

  • on August 28, 2012, 11:11 GMT

    @Stephen Anthony, England were suppose to win the Test series comfortably as well...

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 28, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    @jabrankundi you are wrong @JG2704 you are right IND won one test in WI (away) which is the same num as ENG and SA World cup wins (T20 and knockout).

    But i agree with you guys the question is invalid :)

    Cheers!!

  • SPT33 on August 28, 2012, 10:36 GMT

    @ SurlyCynic I hope you realise that David Miller is actually South African and is cuurently contracted to CSA. How in the world is England going to get it right for him to play for them internationally...think again. Get your facts straight my man.

  • Highflyer_GP on August 28, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    @Stephen Anthony: Where have we heard that before? Before the test series perhaps?

  • jmcilhinney on August 28, 2012, 10:19 GMT

    @Rajit on (August 28 2012, 07:20 AM GMT), you may have missed some of the subtlety of that comment. To a native English speaker it was obviously made "tongue-in-cheek". It was hardly bragging. Also, you certainly can compare Bell with KP. KP would generally come out favourably in such a comparison over the long haul but Bell has made a 100 and 3 50s so far this summer opening the batting in KP's stead with England not having lost a game so, to this point, KP could not really have done more. The fact that you might prefer KP doesn't mean that someone else cannot make the comparison, especially when there job is based on doing such things.

  • on August 28, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    hm, what tosh some people write about England. They didn't get to ODI number one by accident, they got there by being a very, very strong team, with or without you-know-who. Provided no more rain-offs occur, I expect them to win comfortably 3-1.

  • dsnagre on August 28, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    What a great knock from David miller in Flt20 match....! .Excite to see him playing in international side .

  • dsnagre on August 28, 2012, 8:48 GMT

    I am from india and big fan of KP,sad to hear about KP.....he is a very talented player and a good human being as well'.but He has attitude problem...so no one greater than cricket.....

  • JG2704 on August 28, 2012, 7:40 GMT

    @ prannsshu on (August 28 2012, 02:49 AM GMT) It's not pathetic , just folk's opinion that he's not being doing that well lately and folk would rather have an in for Bairstow ahead of him

  • Rajit on August 28, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    "Ian Bell managed to hit Morne Morkel for sixes over midwicket and long-off, racing to one of the most classy (if pointless) 26 not outs you're likely to see. He only faced 18 deliveries in the mid-afternoon murk but it was enough to re-emphasise why England are happy with their post-Kevin Pietersen one-day set-up." How English writers brag about their players...Most Classy 26!!! And can't compare Bell with KP ,there's is a huge gulf between them with KP a proven match winner.

  • on August 28, 2012, 6:28 GMT

    Can't believe both Kallis and Steyn aren't there for the ODI. Big blow.

  • chokkashokka on August 28, 2012, 6:12 GMT

    Here we go again....another article gloating about a fluky team losing test series at home and still crowing about no. 1 - the only thing the English players should be praying for is rain and the entire series getting washed out. Why is this news

  • landl47 on August 28, 2012, 4:06 GMT

    @prannshu: if you think Bopara should be picked as a bowler, then I can suggest several bowlers who are better than he is. He's being picked as a #4 batsman who bowls a bit. If he's not getting runs, he isn't worth his place.

  • jasonpete on August 28, 2012, 3:50 GMT

    Posted by  Sunil Xavier on (August 28 2012, 00:24 AM GMT), I guess you need to do the same thing as Amarjit kapur.Read the article and comment.Its about ODI series and not test matches.so don't stir up things exactly as what amarjit is doing here.Hoping to see a full match and no rain spoil.It will be a good match for sure as top two sides are fighting with each other and for the top position.Good luck to both teams.

  • on August 28, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    If Morkel and Tsotsobe, et al. don't adapt quickly, my team (SA) will be toast. Thank heavens the first ODI was washed out. They continued to bowl short and were lambasted by Bell and Cook. Wake up gents! And when it comes to batting........if I see a bat dangling outside off stump, I'll smash my laptop!

  • xylo on August 28, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    @jmcilhinney did I embarass myself? ;-) I forgot that KP "retired" earlier.

  • prannsshu on August 28, 2012, 2:53 GMT

    @landl47 agree bops has made only 6 runs in last 4 innings... bt he also took 9 wickets in same period.. how can u miss that???? RAVI must be in final 11.. and he will be.....

  • jmcilhinney on August 28, 2012, 2:50 GMT

    @ xylo on (August 27 2012, 17:43 PM GMT), Try to keep up. KP has not been part of the ODI team all summer (much more than 18 deliveries) and they have had little trouble with a WI team that were supposed to be a much tougher proposition over the shorter formats and an Australia team that some told us would beat England 5-0. Bell has opened the batting 6 times this summer in place of the retired KP prior to that 18 deliveries and has scored 126, 53, 41, 75, 69 and 4. The day may come that they do, but they haven't missed KP so far.

  • prannsshu on August 28, 2012, 2:49 GMT

    this is pathetic by english fans... RAVI Bopara with the 2nd highest runs in aus. series best batting average... best economy rate.. best bowling average... what else he needs to do to get a place in team..? this is ridicules, he deserves a chance in final 11.. yes agree he made only 6 in last 4 first class innings but this is not done.. baistrow is a good player.. but he cann't ball.. in an ODI game u need at least 6 bowling options. if u leave bopara out. u dont have a bowler who can ball more thn 3 overs in ODI.. who bowls Trott, bell??? lol... Bairstrow have the competition against keissy or morgan, as he is the pure batsman/ wicket keeper batsman.. bopara is trying to filling collengwood shoes.. give him tym.. he is becoming better n better with every series.. Bairstrow can keep the wickets too. thn why not bairstrow in for kiessy???

  • jmcilhinney on August 28, 2012, 2:41 GMT

    I too fail to see the logic in playing Bopara ahead of Bairstow at the current time. Bairstow is in the squad and the team is yet to be named but the fact that Bopara was chosen ahead of Bairstow for the first game suggests that he will here too.

  • jmcilhinney on August 28, 2012, 2:38 GMT

    @RandyOZ on (August 27 2012, 23:40 PM GMT), I'm sure he would have liked to have played an under-pressure innings in the last ODI series he played but unfortunately the opposition just weren't good enough to apply any pressure.

  • on August 28, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    @Amarjit Kapur,please read the article then make your comment.India had been whitewashed 4-0 in Eng and Aus .Indai draw a series in south africa when gary kirsten came as a coach.Otherwise Inings score are 97all out,101 allout..check the records .how many times india scored more than 100 in an innings in southafrica?there are lot of other article in cricinfo about india newzealand series .you can make your comments therer..

  • Forgettable on August 28, 2012, 0:15 GMT

    Goodluck Captain Cook! Go England :)

  • on August 28, 2012, 0:08 GMT

    @Amarjit Kapur,can you please tell how many times india has been whitewashed in Southafrica,Aus,Eng.How many times indian score gone beyoond 100 in an innings in southafrica.please help me to sort out..

  • RandyOZ on August 27, 2012, 23:40 GMT

    Once again Ian Bell gets talked up undeservingly. He has never played an under-pressure innings. The only player more overrated than him is Swann, but fortunately he was shown up in the test series,.

  • SurlyCynic on August 27, 2012, 20:36 GMT

    David Miller played well in the T20 finals over the weekend and I'm surprised England haven't called him up yet - he seems to have the perfect background for an England batsman. As far as SA goes, not sure why they need 8 players who can bowl - surely they could select another batsman in place of Mclaren.

  • JG2704 on August 27, 2012, 19:51 GMT

    Re Ravi's inclusion - I see 2 reasons. 1 , Essex team mate Cook is the captain and 2 - He is a 6th bowling option. I'll be honest I think there might be better options and even with his overs I think I'd rather see Jonny in there

  • on August 27, 2012, 19:49 GMT

    @Yorkshire-88 you are very loyal to your fellow Yorkie, but I'm afraid Bresnan's test bowling average is now over 30 and after a good start it is heading towards his first class average. His batting average is coming down too. After his dismal performances in the tests where he was woefully out of form he can't really stake a claim for a place in any squad at present.

  • landl47 on August 27, 2012, 19:30 GMT

    Well, I guess the idea of giving Bopara a chance to find form in the Essex game didn't work- out for 2. Since he pulled out of the test series over 5 weeks ago, he's made exactly 6 runs in 4 innings. Ravi's a talented player and he had a good series against Australia (though admittedly not Australia at its best), but how can he be preferred to other players who have been in much better form recently? I would, in all seriousness, prefer Woakes AS A BATSMAN, never mind his bowling, at the moment. 157 for twice out against Australia A and centuries in his two first-class games prior to that make a far more convincing case than Ravi's. Then there's Jonny Bairstow who made his runs against these same South Africans. Loyalty is one thing, but picking Ravi at this time just doesn't make sense.

  • yorkshire-86 on August 27, 2012, 19:28 GMT

    RE Bresnan - a 'bits and peices' player? Have you looked at the averages? He has a better Test bowling average (25) than Anderson, Swann (both around 30) and Broad (35). As for Bopara, has has had FAR too many chances. He is garbage. Englands biggest problem however is the fear of the 'two new balls', thinking it will change how the top order bats. Well sorry, but the top order have ALWAYS had to face a new ball.

  • jabrankundi on August 27, 2012, 18:53 GMT

    @Amarjit The answer is none. But i don't see how your question is valid here.

  • JG2704 on August 27, 2012, 18:48 GMT

    @Amarjit Kapur on (August 27 2012, 16:58 PM GMT) The same amount as the tests India have won away in the last year. What is the point in trying to stir things?

  • BokkeForever on August 27, 2012, 18:42 GMT

    Amarjit - what's your point? Sounds like a bit of sour grapes.

  • Joninnorwich on August 27, 2012, 18:12 GMT

    Mr Phil Katon - respect!! You have articulated my thoughts precisely!

  • cover_drive12345 on August 27, 2012, 17:46 GMT

    de Villier's average is quite outstanding!

  • xylo on August 27, 2012, 17:43 GMT

    wow... it only took 18 deliveries for the author to decide that the England team were so happy to not have KP in the team?

  • phoenixsteve on August 27, 2012, 17:39 GMT

    @PhilKaton... You've got a point mate and your selection of Bairstow would allow a spot for another specialist. Bopara deserves his chance though but I think this might be last few opportunities for him. What Bresnan is doing back in the side is a mystery to me? I thought England had learned the value of SPECIALIST batters and bowlers - not bits and pieces players like Bresnan. He's not quite good enough as a bowler and a long way short as a batter but conceivably will have to do both? Go figure...... COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on August 27, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    To put it in one line, SA are a much better team than England....they can afford to leave an Albie Morkel out. England are not innovative enough. Too bland with their approach. They would be exposed in this series.

  • on August 27, 2012, 16:58 GMT

    Just how many world cups have these 2 teams won. Can someone remind me please? I have lost the count.

  • JG2704 on August 27, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    It seems sad that Jonny is unlikely to play , especially the form he's been in. As I said previously (despite Trott being ranked our top ODI batsman Jonny would come in for him as I feel Trott has regressed with SR in the OD game and his running has been suspect to me and Jonny's fielding is much better too and he is quicker (shows greater urgency) between the the wickets when batting. I hope Woakes plays and if he is selected alongside Bresnan , he bats before Bresnan. In the aborted match he was listed to come in behind Bresnan. Surely Woakes is a better batsman than Bresnan

  • on August 27, 2012, 16:29 GMT

    I don't see why they choose not to play Tahir in ODI's. They play him in the test squad, but he's a much better ODI bowler. He played 5 matches in the World Cup, taking 14 wickets at an average of under 10. He should be their first pick spinner.

  • on August 27, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Ridiculous to leave Bairstow out...for what? Bopara? Unbelievable, he even failed with the bat when he played for Glos. v SA recently. Also Keiswetter should be out (the pinch-hitter who always scores at less than a run a ball, and despite some acrobatic catches, makes some basic keeping errors) with Bairstow taking the gloves, and allowing England to select another specialist bowler or batsman....Also where on earth is Alex Hales???!! Is he injured?

  • MunafAhmed811 on August 27, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Back in 1990s and even early 2000s..SA team was team to beat. Now they are good but not as great during BrianMcmillan and jhonty days

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  • MunafAhmed811 on August 27, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Back in 1990s and even early 2000s..SA team was team to beat. Now they are good but not as great during BrianMcmillan and jhonty days

  • on August 27, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Ridiculous to leave Bairstow out...for what? Bopara? Unbelievable, he even failed with the bat when he played for Glos. v SA recently. Also Keiswetter should be out (the pinch-hitter who always scores at less than a run a ball, and despite some acrobatic catches, makes some basic keeping errors) with Bairstow taking the gloves, and allowing England to select another specialist bowler or batsman....Also where on earth is Alex Hales???!! Is he injured?

  • on August 27, 2012, 16:29 GMT

    I don't see why they choose not to play Tahir in ODI's. They play him in the test squad, but he's a much better ODI bowler. He played 5 matches in the World Cup, taking 14 wickets at an average of under 10. He should be their first pick spinner.

  • JG2704 on August 27, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    It seems sad that Jonny is unlikely to play , especially the form he's been in. As I said previously (despite Trott being ranked our top ODI batsman Jonny would come in for him as I feel Trott has regressed with SR in the OD game and his running has been suspect to me and Jonny's fielding is much better too and he is quicker (shows greater urgency) between the the wickets when batting. I hope Woakes plays and if he is selected alongside Bresnan , he bats before Bresnan. In the aborted match he was listed to come in behind Bresnan. Surely Woakes is a better batsman than Bresnan

  • on August 27, 2012, 16:58 GMT

    Just how many world cups have these 2 teams won. Can someone remind me please? I have lost the count.

  • on August 27, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    To put it in one line, SA are a much better team than England....they can afford to leave an Albie Morkel out. England are not innovative enough. Too bland with their approach. They would be exposed in this series.

  • phoenixsteve on August 27, 2012, 17:39 GMT

    @PhilKaton... You've got a point mate and your selection of Bairstow would allow a spot for another specialist. Bopara deserves his chance though but I think this might be last few opportunities for him. What Bresnan is doing back in the side is a mystery to me? I thought England had learned the value of SPECIALIST batters and bowlers - not bits and pieces players like Bresnan. He's not quite good enough as a bowler and a long way short as a batter but conceivably will have to do both? Go figure...... COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • xylo on August 27, 2012, 17:43 GMT

    wow... it only took 18 deliveries for the author to decide that the England team were so happy to not have KP in the team?

  • cover_drive12345 on August 27, 2012, 17:46 GMT

    de Villier's average is quite outstanding!

  • Joninnorwich on August 27, 2012, 18:12 GMT

    Mr Phil Katon - respect!! You have articulated my thoughts precisely!